New Rory & MAL - Episode 440 | Spread Em

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

Well, 2026 has gotten off to a solid start. Bruno Mars announces he’s dropping a new album and going on tour, but all Mal really wants is for Bruno to show us who he really is. Rory loves how La...Russell is pushin’ his new album. It finally clicks for Chris Redd as to why got knocked out outside of 30 Rock. Plus, we pull some of your IG comments responding to Mal calling Andre 3000 overrated, and we do our best to predict NFL Wild Card Weekend. #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. I'm Daniel Alarcon, and this is my friend. This is much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far, but I'm John Green. Co-host of the podcast The Away End with my old friend Daniel. On our podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup.
Starting point is 00:00:21 Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The volume. A big gorilla. Excuse me? Rolling Star. You just making noise.
Starting point is 00:00:51 I feel like you're getting to that age where you're just going to start making noises. Oh, I do that a lot. I'm that person. Like, I just in the middle of conversation. You know my favorite thing to do now is like when I'm having conversation with people? Like, I'll just blurt out random lines from like some of my favorite movies. I think that's Tourette. I think that's what that.
Starting point is 00:01:06 No, I don't like, it's like cinema Tourette's. No, I know. I can control it. I know what I'm about to do. I think Tourette, you can't control what you're about to do. Yeah, once a, when I got to like college, I want to say is when I started to realize my dad was getting old. Because when it would be quiet and it would just be us sitting there, I could like just hear noises coming from his body. But I'm like, oh, you're getting that old now. Like, I can hear your stomach from all the way over it. You don't want to talk to nobody. You want to say hearings. Yeah, you just want to say things. I'm like, you're making noises. Do you not realize that? Sometimes you're going to make noises. It's good to make noises.
Starting point is 00:01:35 End of the first pod week of the year. Yes. And you've already stirred up the entire internet within the first 24 hours. What did I? You know, listen, man, you got to, you're like my internet liaison because you know I don't know what's going on. I used to be. Well, yeah, now I'm probably no more about what's going on than you do. Can you let me know? Yeah, yeah. I might have to go on. Did that album come out that you was talking about? Yeah, I might have to go out to let you know what's happening out there, man. But, um, well, here's the thing. I don't even need to be on the internet like that to get text messages from people about your takes on the pod. So our, our,
Starting point is 00:02:08 First episode of the week, you had mentioned that Friday, by the time the people are listening to this now, we will have our answer. You say that a album that very much anticipated will be dropping at midnight Thursday, January 8th, i.e. January 9th. Even on the New Music Friday Twitter pages, they got Bruno Mars, but before that, they have rumored surprise album from mall. From all. My name is nowhere on that, man. Don't put me next to it. It's number one, rumored surprise. Yeah, I mean, if it does drop, which I believe it will, it will be, you know, it should be number one. Okay. Do you have a speech prepared if it doesn't? Like, how should we go about this if in fact this person doesn't drop it just despite you?
Starting point is 00:02:53 Well, then that'll be my excuse. Because we think that happened on Christmas. Yeah, yeah, that'll be. You said it was sample clearance. I thought it was mall clearance. Yeah, yeah, that'll be an excuse if the album. Well, the good thing is if you're listening to this, you already know the answer to say if the album dropped or not. So I'm either right or wrong.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Okay. If you end up being wrong, which is fine, we're all wrong pretty often, especially in podcasting. Are you nervous to give takes anymore? No. My sources are pretty solid, pretty good. And it's not, you know, I'm not trying to step on anybody's rollout, anything like that. But if it's the person I think it is, I don't think there's another human being on earth that could step on their roll up. Well, if they wanted to be a surprise drop and just like, you know, then.
Starting point is 00:03:35 But even then, like, it's still one of the biggest artists of origin. Like, that still wouldn't matter that a podcaster said, you know, I heard this shit coming out. Like, it's not stepping on it. It's not going to disrupt it anything like that. It's not like Rolling Stone will be like per mall's predictions. Yeah. Or they might. Actually, they might.
Starting point is 00:03:53 Yeah, they might. They might give me that credit. Or they'll give credit to somebody else. Yeah, which is fine. This is fine. Either way, I want them, if we do get the album, if we did get the album, I'm obviously we're recording this Thursday afternoon. Hopefully it's everything we expected and anticipated and wanted it to be.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Yeah. I will be staying up at midnight. But here's the thing. Who knows if it'll drop at midnight? Because we have seen other artists. Like I like that, that Tyler, his last two drops, I believe he did it like 6 a.m. Yeah. I think he did it on Monday morning.
Starting point is 00:04:23 But I'm not saying midnight is going to be knowing this artist. I don't know if 1159 is. It's not like Y2K. Yeah. Like this shit could drop at 3 a.m. The fuck I know. Yeah. But I mean, I hope so. I know if it's who we think it is. I know Baby D is super excited. Who's not with us today. She had to have emergency surgery, but she is doing great. She's doing amazing.
Starting point is 00:04:47 I just spoke to her. She said she loves you guys, which I didn't really believe her when she said it. But, you know, meds. Yeah. But she says she loves you guys. She'll be back soon. But yeah, she had a little scare, but she's good. Yes. She's good. For Baby D. It's fun to talk to somebody on FaceTime when they're on the fence. Yeah. Like they're just being morphined up. and just saying whatever to him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:06 So yeah, it was good to catch up with her. She's doing okay. Hopefully she will be back soon. Yeah. And if it's the album we think it is, I mean, at least she could be, you know, in bed of rest with that album. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:17 She probably wouldn't even come to the show anyways after she'd still be listening. We might have to take the cameras to the, to the Baby D headquarters. I wouldn't be mad at that. And kick it with her just to check on her. But prayers to baby D, get well soon.
Starting point is 00:05:30 We'll see you when you are healthy and ready to get back to business. Speaking of business, we're back sponsored by Boost Mobile, Unlimited Talk, Text, and Data. That is a fact. Data. Data. Data. There were some people that were- Is it data or data? I say data.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Data. No. Is it data if I'm from like the New England area? I think it depends where in the sentence I'm saying it, if it would be data or data. Unlimited talk, text and data. Data. Data. Yeah. Data. It's not data. I think it's data if you're from like New England. You got up with the data. Data data data. Data. Data.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Data, data. What are they saying Goodwill hunting? Data probably. All right. Then that's how they say. Yeah. Then that's that's what.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Whatever Matt and Ben say. When New England is more British, so I could see that. All right. Okay. Yeah. Told you. It was on to something there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:26 New England. There were some people that were saying that maybe you were trying to announce the Bruno Mars album. That's exactly the album that I was trying to announce people. Yes. That's. participated. Probably the way you worded it.
Starting point is 00:06:36 We love Bruno Mars. We are getting new music today from Bruno Mars. We haven't heard it yet. Of course, we're recording. Probably going to be some of the most perfect music we've ever heard in our life once again. Yes. Such perfect music from Bruno Mars. The album is called The Romantic coming February 27th, but we do get a single today.
Starting point is 00:06:56 He put out, I'm not sure. I assume this is the album cover because it says romantic and not the single cover unless the single is also called that. But you had brought something up off, Mike. with the visual of where we think we're going with which Halloween character is. Listen, my only issue with Bruno Mars has always been what does Bruno Mars sound like? Because he's such, he's one of those artists that can, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:21 pull inspiration and sounds from so many legendary art, which is a, as you know, Roy, a talent in itself to be able to do that. We love that. But even looking at this cover, this artwork, I don't know if this is Jimmy Hendrix or John Legerzamo. Like, Bruno, I want to know what Bruno looks like. I want to know what Bruno Mars sounds like. Like, that's my only, like, he's such a great artist.
Starting point is 00:07:45 But it's almost hard to pinpoint what is Bruno Mars sound? What is his sound? Yeah. And that's my only issue, Bruno, he makes he's a great artist. He's talented. I'm not taking nothing away from Bruno Mars. But my only issue has always been, he always kind of like leans to a, you know, sound or style of sound or artist that we've already seen or heard from before.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Yeah. And it's like, while that's amazing for artists to be able to do that, I want to know what Bruno Mars sounds and looks like. Well, for those that are just listening on audio and haven't seen the romantic cover that Bruno dropped, it's given Jimmy Hendrix. It's very Jimmy. It's Jimmy.
Starting point is 00:08:26 But I don't know. Do we think that means it's going to be a Jimmy sound? My prediction before, I was actually told Baby Dee about this, I thought he was going to go like the Freddie Mercury route for this album. Okay. But now that I see this cover, I'm with you. Is this going to be his version of 70 psychedelic rock pop? He just takes those.
Starting point is 00:08:45 He just takes the sound and makes it pop. He's amazing. He's amazing. He's an amazing artist. Do we think we get that from him? Yeah. I'm not, listen, anything you say right now, yes. I saw that D. Miles is on the project.
Starting point is 00:08:57 So that already warms my heart that the production is going to be great. Listen. I saw that James is writing on it. All my favorite people are writing on and producing on the. the project. So when has Bruno Mars's production not been great? That's been too good. Exactly. It's been perfect. Every time we hear him, it's perfect. So that's what I'm saying he's an amazing artist. But it's like if somebody's would say, yo, what does Bruno Mars sound like? Yeah. What would you say? I don't mind if your production get a little muddier. That's all.
Starting point is 00:09:23 Yeah, but I just don't know what I would say like Bruno Mars like, yo, he sounds, you know, this is his sound. It's like I just start playing all of the legends. I mean, it was, it's Bruno. know we haven't heard from a while it was a very confident and precise rollout we get a single the day of announcement we get the album date a pre-save link and we get the tour date all in one day like this is a very much put together he's and i love that he's starting in Vegas where he owes the most money he owes money in Vegas what for real why listen man when you have when you have habits and then you mix those with other habits oh see you're just talking you thought you're No, that's a big rumor that he owes.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Yeah, but we don't, let's not give him. We thought he was going to have to do a residency there for a while to pay all some debt. But the romantic tour is definitely hitting a city near you. It's all over the world. It also has Anderson Pack as DJ Pewee, Leon Thomas, Ray, and Victorian Monet. That's, I mean, that's a night. I'm getting there when doors open. Is this a tour?
Starting point is 00:10:23 Yeah, full tour. Wow. A lot of dates. Victoria Monet, Leon Thomas, Ray, and Anderson Pack? Anderson Pack as DJP. DJ Peeway? Yeah. So I assume we'll probably bring people out.
Starting point is 00:10:34 I'm sure. All right, Bruno, you got me. I'm going. Do it. I'm going when the doors are. Look at that five people lineup. That's insane. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:43 You know, I would say I wish Leon would sit down for a second, but he has been putting out, he put out two projects while he was on the road. So, I mean, Leon proves that he can put out great music. Leon's just been touring for three years straight. Yeah. But Leon is, you know, he's, he's waited a long time to have this opportunity. Yeah. I love that he'll do state.
Starting point is 00:11:01 stadiums. Incredible. So that'll be cool for him as well. And you know Victoria will be great in a stadium. Oh, her stage show is. That's amazing. But yeah, that MetLife one, and the dog days of summer, too?
Starting point is 00:11:15 August 21st. Yeah. Hopefully it's not thunderstorming. Just like, you know, anytime we want to go to, when Chris was here, y'all had to wait in the concession stands until the thunderstorm finished.
Starting point is 00:11:25 I might just stand it. That would be better effect with Bruno. I'm standing in the rain. Bruno on the thunderstorm? Yeah. Yeah, that is a Bruno Mars thing for sure. It's just tough. It's tough with the cocaine, though, when it rains.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Because it's kind of waste of money. You take the baggie out, the raindrop hit. Who's doing with cocaine? You? At a Bruno show? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:46 Who they sell at the concession stand next to the popcorn? You know a guy? If you buy the VIP gold package. That's his meat and greet package. Yeah, yeah. You get to do a bump with him. Oh, my God. Don't put that on Bruno, man.
Starting point is 00:11:59 I did not put anything on Bruno. It's his look. It's his aesthetic. He has a very coke aesthetic. He does. Or maybe this is the LSD album. Maybe I'll wear the bandana and put the little LSD passion and sweat it out. All jokes aside, I am looking forward to the music, though.
Starting point is 00:12:12 I mean, Bruno Mars, every time he gives us the album, it's incredible music. Like, we always say, it's perfect music. Very, you know, pays attention to the details of everything. He's a true artist in every sense of the word. I just, again, my only pushback is I don't know what I could identify his particular sound as. What does Bruno Mars sound like? What does he look like? It's kind of like, you know, just to pull from different errors.
Starting point is 00:12:36 And maybe that's his homage to, you know, the legends in before him. And maybe that's what he wants to do as an artist. It's always pay respects to the guys that, you know, or the artist that he pulled inspiration from. Either way, I'm sure this album is going to be incredible. The tour sounds like it's going to be incredible. So shout out to Bruno Mars. Do you think there'll be any features on this Bruno album? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:58 For sure. I think so. I mean, he had the number one. Well, I think number one. I can see Leon Thomas having a record on there. I would love that. I could see him and Leon have a record. I would love to.
Starting point is 00:13:06 If Leon and Bruno did something together, that would be incredible. Already had the number one with Lady Gaga. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think it went number one. He did the swap with sexy red, and we already got that that was, you know, throwaway records from his West Side Story album. So I'm just curious what direction he goes feature was.
Starting point is 00:13:24 I think it's a Leon Thomas feature on there. Do you think we'll ever get a, do we have a Taylor Swift and Bruno Mars record? Does that exist? Sorry Swifties. I don't, I mean, it should, but I don't think so. I think we would know about it. Two of the biggest stars in the world, we would know if they ever read. You'd be surprised about certain
Starting point is 00:13:42 white pop stuff that you, like, no idea. We would know if Bruno and Taylor Swift had a song together. Okay. I could see a Bruno and Taylor record. On this album? Yeah. She's been kind of quiet. She's celebrating what is it, 20 years? Like, She's been chilling just as she's a football wife right now.
Starting point is 00:14:04 Like I could see her just trying to get a one off with one of the biggest artists in the world. Like, yeah, this is good. Not that Taylor ever needs to stay relevant. I'm not saying that way, but I know she loves music. So if she's not putting anything out this year with her 20 year anniversary, she already did a long-ass tour. I could see her just trying to get a feature off. I think we would know about that before we know about the romantic, though. That would have like.
Starting point is 00:14:28 You can't keep that under rat. we have a Bruno and Taylor Swift song. You can't keep that under wraps before we get the announcement of the album tour. We know about Leon Thomas and Victoria Monnet. You didn't get the DOJ would have told us? Somebody would have told us that Bruno and Taylor Swift had a song coming.
Starting point is 00:14:42 We would have a video. Press Secretary would have a video. Yeah, we would have a video. It would be all kind of shit behind that. Oh, no, I'm saying, no, I'm saying for this album, I could see them doing one. Like having a song on this album? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:52 But I think we would know. Second single maybe. We're on the first single right now. That would be the first single. Maybe not. Taylor Swift? Come on, Roy, we don't do that. Maybe they need time to shoot the video.
Starting point is 00:15:03 She's in season right now. No. She's busy? Well, we would know that they had a feature. Come on, that's two of the biggest stuff. We do have her flight logs. I see them on Twitter every day. So we would know if she was flying to the set.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Yeah. But, all right. Yeah, that's really my only prediction for features. I have no idea what direction. I'm going to say he has a song with Leon Thomas. I think after I hear the first single, I'll have a better idea of what feature direction. he would go, because I don't even know the sound that he's going for in this one. Yeah, I mean, him and Leon,
Starting point is 00:15:32 you know, they both, they kind of have similar styles. In some ways, yeah. In some ways, you know, well, shit, Bruno has similar styles to everybody. All he has to do is stand next to you and have a conversation for five minutes and he can do exactly what you do. He's the game LAX album. Yeah, every feature. He can do exactly. Damn, I know game can rap like two chains.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Once Bruno Mars shakes your hand, he takes your talent. Like, he does the basketball and space jam? Yeah, man. As soon as you get Bruno Mars a dab, he's next album's going to sound something like yours. Believe that. He's going to take all your talent, all of your abilities. That's who Bruno Mars is. He takes all of your abilities
Starting point is 00:16:06 and makes them his own. That would be a great plot to like a sci-fi movie. Yeah. Of just some guy walking around stealing all the artists. Just take all your powers, man. They can call it AI. Exactly. That's exactly what it's called. Bruno might be, didn't we say that before? He's the first AI artist of all the time.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Bruno? Yeah. We give Timlin a lot of shit, but Bruno might be the first. Has anyone ever actually touched Bruno. Do we know if he's real? I keep asking. Has anybody ever seen Bruno like just on a day chilling? Like we don't get no photos, videos or somebody be like, yo, that's Bruno Mars. Like, where does he hang out at? He's in some ayahuasca chain. And then I said that and people showed me like pictures of him walking to Starbucks. I'm like, that could be anybody walking to Starbucks. Like, that's not one of the biggest artists in the world. Like Bruno has this insane ability
Starting point is 00:16:52 to blend in and stand out at the same time. I'm leaving that, leaving that joke right over there. Not even going to go down that path. Blending and stand out. Why is that a joke? I don't get it. Never mind. Okay. Peach thought it.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Staying on music, I did want to bring this up last episode and on Monday as well. What La Russell is doing right now with his campaign is one of the coolest things that I've seen in a while. Obviously, La Russell is not new to these campaigns or any of the ways that he does marketing. But the record he has with Lil John, I'm from the Bay shit that came out last year, were you paying attention during the break of what he was doing with the visuals for that song. No. He was going to a bunch of high schools in the Bay Area and getting with their marching bands, their cheerleaders. I remember that, yes. And just shooting different visuals for the same song in different areas of the Bay at high schools with all the students. I thought that was like the coolest shit in the
Starting point is 00:17:49 world to just keep repurposing a song to really work a record and do it. You know, and we don't know Bay politics like that, but it's like any city. And I even... saw he was posting on his IG of like people pre 2000 what they thought the Bay area was and what it is now and that the Bay needs to be more inclusive unless you know crabs in the barrel the way we are with the five boroughs like we're all the Bay area so he was even targeting high schools that people would specifically say it's not the Bay but that is the Bay type of thing I just think it's been a really cool campaign and then that moved into being the first single for this album that he's putting out now that he has kind of shout to everyone at even
Starting point is 00:18:29 and evens kind of like a Patreon for musicians. And he has this campaign going now where he's trying to get $100,000, sell 100,000 units direct to consumer. You can pay whatever you want for it. You know, I shot him, I shot him some bread today for the campaign to pre-order it. Kyrie Irving paid $11,000.
Starting point is 00:18:49 And obviously, LaRessel's not the first person to do this. I mean, famously remember when Nipsey was doing this as well. Hovid. I felt like Kyrie was trying to one-up Hove a bit because Hove sent 10K to Nipsey and then Kyrie just went above and beyond and did 11. Well, he wears number 11.
Starting point is 00:19:05 I know, but no. That was perfect. You know but not? Okay, all right. What can I say? What can I say? What can I say? What can I say?
Starting point is 00:19:12 I know but not. I'm trying to get you to tell me the backstory why Kyrie and Hove don't like each other. That's crazy. But no, I think something's in the water campaign is really cool. Even if you want to buy the shit for a dollar, I think artist direct to consumer
Starting point is 00:19:25 is something that should be supported and I wanted to bring it up because everything he's been doing the last few months has been incredible. Somebody else that's also on the side of that direct to consumer that's been doing that. Shout out to Shooter.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Yeah. Shooter has been big on doing that. Shout out my guy shooter on with the director consumer. Rock Marciano. Yeah. Rock. Big on that.
Starting point is 00:19:43 But yeah, anytime artists do this and do it in a very unique way, I'm always here to support. And visually, what LaRussell does with his team as well is incredible. Going from high school to high school for the same.
Starting point is 00:19:56 I think is the cool shit in the world. La Russell is an incredible artist, incredible person, incredible mind, has incredible ideas. I think that he's somebody that we need to continue to support and help achieve whatever goals that they set because it all is something that changes the system. It disrupts what's already in place, creates new ways to be creative and do things your way, control your music, control your brand, control your art. So shout out to LaRussle. Shout out to Kyrie Irvin.
Starting point is 00:20:26 Kyrie Irvin is probably my favorite athlete away from the basketball court. Obviously, he's an incredible basketball player. But just everything Kyrie has ever stood for, everything that he's ever. The links that he posts. I mean, listen, everything he's ever, you know what I mean? Like, listen, man, he does what he wants to do. He believes in what he believes. I've been pretty aligned with Kyrie outside of the flat earth thing.
Starting point is 00:20:53 But he did come back and was like, yeah, and I was bugging. So I see, that's why I was. respect that. That's why I respect that. That's why I respect Kyrie because even when he kind of, you know, gains more information, he's like, you know what? Maybe I was a little off right there. Got to respect that. I went too far into YouTube that day. It happens to the best of us. But I love Kyrie Irvin and can't wait for him to get back out there with the Mavericks.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Yeah. I saw that Mike Jones still had his number. And I love, because I guess it's kind of aligns with the- You called that number before? So? In your life. So? You called Mike Jones before? Of course. Did he answer? By the time, like, it was a, on 106 and
Starting point is 00:21:28 shit was it on TRL that was out already they had whatever label he had signed to you couldn't get through no it had like it was an automated like yo it was Mike Jones like it was too big at that point yeah I wasn't like in Houston when it dropped where you would really get
Starting point is 00:21:43 Mike Jones on the phone but I think it's cool based through him going through major labels that he still has like control and owns that number yeah and now can do you know whatever he wants with it so I hope outside of him just activated that number and getting a bunch of calls from fans in the last few days, even though he said he's had it open for a while.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Yeah. But it went viral again. So I hope he does something with it. Yeah. Shout to Mike Jones, man. The fact that this is still a thing so many years later, it's just like, it's incredible, man. That's just hip-hop.
Starting point is 00:22:14 Did I ever show you the photo of Pige wearing who is Mike Jones with the number t-shirt on? Yes, I've seen that. That should be the artwork today. Yeah, definitely. Don't put us on the, no. Yeah, it's all about you today, Peach. It's all you, baby.
Starting point is 00:22:25 or just make me you make me you the way me you does that with faces yeah just make me you
Starting point is 00:22:35 the page one for that but I don't know I mean should we give it a call yeah let's call Mike Jones let's see what he's talking about Pete I know you know the number by heart what is it
Starting point is 00:22:44 A00 Foe not four foe all right let's let's see You know Rory has dyslexia
Starting point is 00:22:54 he's looking at the screen to read the dollar number I mean, listen, man. I'm like a busy signal. That's, just to hear that is crazy, right? A busy signal? I don't know if I can find it, but to ease off a page in that, I have a photo of me and Mike Jones in an Orlando airport.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Like together? Yeah, with my track team. We were running at Disney for like some track meet, and we were just in the Orlando airport. And Mike Jones was right there. And then someone for our team, like, yeah, the number of? basically.
Starting point is 00:23:29 And then we all just got in a group photo with Mike Jones. You took a photo with Mike Jones like he was the president? Yeah. Like in our whole track gear and like everything. It's on my Facebook. I'm sure I can find it on my computer. Oh, man. But yeah, shout out to Mike Jones.
Starting point is 00:23:45 He was the original LaRussell. Yeah, man. If you think about it. No, you're right. You're right. Maul, I saw your vision board for 2026. And what I saw right there was you upgrade. to the all new iPhone 17 Pro 5.
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Starting point is 00:29:21 the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coutura podcast network available on the IFartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know you don't keep up with SNL. Did you catch any of that Chris Reed stuff the other day? Chris Red, I'm sorry. You had briefly told me about it.
Starting point is 00:29:46 I know he's dating Keenan Thompson's ex-wife. Yes. And then you was telling me he had got knocked out in front of SNL a few years ago, and nobody ever could figure out why that was. So he did an IG video. I believe he has a special coming out, so he's been doing press and he had talked about dating Keenan's ex-wife. And then he put out just like a full Instagram, stated union of where he was at with his dating life.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Stop right there. Before he started dating Kenan's ex-wife, were him and Kenan, do they have a relationship? Oh, he goes through the whole thing. Okay. This was one of those like those IG stories that I like had to sit. hit pause, go back to what I was doing. I was compelled by this entire thing. So Kenan was obviously with his wife at the time when Chris joined SNL. He was cool with both of them. Like he said they would go out and kick it. But he said he had no, no intentions, didn't look at
Starting point is 00:30:45 Keenan's wife that way, this and that. He started to build up somewhat of a pill addiction. I believe he brought up Adderall. I don't think he brought up any other pill. And he was saying to the point that he was even, you know, selling castmates Adderall at the show, which that was the only thing that really made headlines from TMZ. They missed a whole 10 minutes of the craziest shit ever. Because to me, a headline is SNL castmates do pills together, is not. That's a slow newsday to me. Chris Farley was snorting heroin like on camera.
Starting point is 00:31:17 I don't care about 30 Adderals. Right. So he is going through his pill addiction. He's in a really low place. Keenan and his wife separate. They're not fully divorced. But, you know, she used to hang around the set. She used to be around. And they started a friendship, which when they split, I guess Chris did not really respect
Starting point is 00:31:36 that you're going with Keenan in this divorce. That's your castmate. That's your man. And Kenan's ex-wife started to help him, encourage him, get him in a therapy, get him out of this really dark, dark space that he was in. Now, this is 2022. He starts messing with Keenan's ex-wife. They're separated.
Starting point is 00:31:54 Keenan's ex-wife is not cheating. They're separated, just not divorced yet. Magically, when Chris is getting out of the car at the comedy seller in the village, he takes a step out of the SUV and gets clean, knock the fuck out. Blood everywhere. And he was like, why would you just knock out this little comedian, just mind his business? It's a cold case. It goes unsolved.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Coal case is a lot of it. SVU can't solve. Nobody can solve why somebody would ever not Chris Red out. Yeah. clean. It wasn't like he bumped into somebody. Yeah. Stepped out.
Starting point is 00:32:28 Clearly somebody knew he was about to be there. He was waiting for him. And got not to fuck out. Yeah. So after Chris and, you know, I know he went through some shit. I'm not trying to clown him for crying on Instagram. But after he cried through the whole thing, was like, bro, I know it's foul that I did that to Keenan, but I didn't want to miss out on a chance of love.
Starting point is 00:32:46 And like, I don't regret that part, but I regret how the whole thing went down. He did that whole spiel. Then he quietly threw in. towards the end. Yeah, to the point, like, now I kind of understand why I got knocked out. And usually I would retaliate,
Starting point is 00:33:03 but I feel like we could call it even now. So it's like, okay, so we have finally solved the cold case after three years. We made that connection. We made that connection. You just connected. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Maybe because I was fucking my friend's wife. I got knocked the fuck out. Right. So finally, I feel like the police in the precinct of the village can finally, You know, we can close this one. Our tax dollars can stop.
Starting point is 00:33:28 But I, listen, Keenan, I know he's a comedian, but it's been in business for a while. I'm sure he has some friends that will knock some people out. I have a bigger question. Do people really care about this? No. Okay. Because I was just trying to figure out if people even care about this happening. I mean, the world, yes, there are, there's a huge world that, that S&L is like, they
Starting point is 00:33:54 live and breathe that. That is still very much a thing. Even though we've usually said that it's been lackluster and, you know, it's hit or miss, depending on who's hosting, SNL is still very much a staple. And this is, yeah, it's the reason why I never understood why Pete Davidson was on page six every day. I'm like, why can y'all just leave this kid alone? Like, respectfully, like he's not like, if he was like some really great comedian, I'd understand why people were so obsessed with him. But there's such a huge world of SNL and he was dating famous people that he met at SNL. like this is a, yeah, it's a big world at the end of the day. And Keenan Thompson
Starting point is 00:34:26 is super famous. Yeah, that's a fact. And him his wife were together for a while. Like, yeah, that is kind of a soap opera that somebody, a castmate was fucking someone else's wife. Is there any chance that this is fake? No.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Okay. That's commitment if you get knocked out three years ago and then then you reveal. That's a slow game. So they, so they, so him and so Chris and Keenan were good friends before he started dating. Okay. I wouldn't say like best friends.
Starting point is 00:34:59 But they knew each other. They had a working relationship. Obviously they had, you know, spent some creative partnership. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't. Why do? See, when you start getting into dating my ex-wife or my, you know, child's mother, if it's an ex-girlfriend, somebody I dated, that's, you know, that's whatever.
Starting point is 00:35:17 Well, but if this is somebody I was married to or somebody that I have. family with. You met her through me. Yeah, but even if I met her through you and that was just your girlfriend. Like you don't have no kids. Y'all weren't married. It's still kind of like, you know, it's weird, but it's like beyond weird. It's, it's disrespectful when, you know, this is my ex-wife and you and I are friends or you met her through me. Like it's, that's when it's, it turns into disrespect at that point. If it's a next girlfriend, I dated her and, you know, it's like, that's crazy. Like, you knew what I was my ex-girl. And then I, you met her through me.
Starting point is 00:35:52 But if we have a family and that we were married, you can't do that. You can't date her. You cannot. There's too many women out here to do that. It's always funny because he started the video with, you know, I'm not the guy that goes after my friend's girls
Starting point is 00:36:06 or even would sleep with somebody. I'm like, but you are. So what's the rest of this 15 minute video about? But you are. But you are. You know what I mean? And that's why.
Starting point is 00:36:16 But in family say that. Just because you never did that before. Before. Doesn't know. But you're doing that. Yeah, like you're that guy. Welcome to the, you're the guy now. That's exactly who you are.
Starting point is 00:36:25 For him to say that, then he knows that it's, I just don't, in that relationship, because there's never a day where one of them aren't thinking about that. Right. Like if you're dating my ex-wife, there's never a day that you or her are not thinking about that. That's, whether y'all talk about it, whether it's spoken about when y'all, it's in your, it's in your thoughts. It's at the front of your thought every single day.
Starting point is 00:36:50 So how in that, how could you even be comfortable and secure in a relationship, like, with that on your brain every day? Like, you can try to say, oh, we don't think about it. It's not that deep. Cut the shit. It is. You don't have to speak. I'm not saying y'all have a conversation every day about it. But y'all definitely wake up and think about it every day.
Starting point is 00:37:09 And they have two daughters. Oh, no. So. No, no, no. You can't do that. Yeah. So you're not about to run into her kids and not think about Keenan. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Yeah. No, no, no, no, you can't do that. So you're, especially with kids, you're a thousand percent right. There's no way you wake up next to that girl and are not also thinking of Keenan at that time. Yeah, that's like, no, man. It's just so many other women out here. Like, why would you even? Well, he was trying to say he was in such a low point.
Starting point is 00:37:40 It was the only, only woman in his life or a friend in his life that actually looked at him as a person and wanted to get him out of this. I'm like, I hear you, but now your bond is to that. like that's really that's the foundation of y'all relationship the foundation of your relationship is that cool that that should be part of a partnership should include those things but if that's what y'all have in common and then the only other thing we have in common is that i know you through my mans that i worked with or worked with that's an insane foundation for a relationship now what happens when the relationship takes another pill no the relationship was over y'all split like what happens so i was confused because to your point i didn't care about this this much i just laughed
Starting point is 00:38:20 through most of it. Yeah. He was talking in past tense sometimes and then in present tense sometimes. I didn't know if he was still with her or not. Oh, okay. Because he was on the like, by the time the public found out,
Starting point is 00:38:33 I left S&O and I had loved her. Like he sometimes was saying it felt like he was with her. And then other times it felt like this was also over. Okay. But, I mean, I know this is,
Starting point is 00:38:45 we should be more misogynistic because Demaris isn't here. Where are we put Kenan's ex-wife in this whole thing? Let's not put it on Chris. Is it like Larsa Pippin level-ish? No. Is she from the Larsa?
Starting point is 00:38:55 There's never been. Is she from the Larsa tribe? Did she go to Larsa school? Huh? We know Larsa's the dean. Like, we know she's like. Larson's God.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Yeah. And that, when it comes to shit like that. She's a mere mortal compared to the last. She's the one that you have to call and talk to if you're thinking about getting in a relationship like that. Like, listen, you know, my ex-husband's friend, we've been kind of like, you know, texting.
Starting point is 00:39:17 Like, what should I do? And then Larson will, you know, will help you do that. Kind of like when you call Better help. Yeah. Kind of like the same thing. Better Larson. 20% on. 20% off. He's code Chicago Bulls.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Use code Bippman. No, I don't think she's in that realm. And again, we don't know these people, so I don't even care to speculate on the messiness. Chris did throw a little nasty tidbit in there. And he was like, then I started to learn about some, you know, her past relationship. Clearly, we know you're talking about Keenan at this point. Yeah. And like I learned some things that made me view.
Starting point is 00:39:52 people different now. And I was like, okay. So now you're saying this was okay because she told you Keenan did some fucked up shit. That's why you got knocked out. See? There you go.
Starting point is 00:40:04 There you go. That's how it happens that fast. You learn something and then now you sleep. We didn't need law and order. This is the easy one to solve. But I mean, I still think, I mean, it's crazy on her behalf too.
Starting point is 00:40:16 Yeah, but as the guy, though, I always, you have control over that like you choose if you want to you know date your co-worker you know friend or have you want to you know categorize his relationship with keenan as the man you determine that you control that like even if the wife is flirting with you or the ex-wife is flirting with you and you know that you know the problems that come along with that you know the energy that comes with that you know that's forever going to be in your mind every day you wake up in that relationship, I just don't understand why you would put yourself in that position. It makes no
Starting point is 00:40:56 sense. And I wouldn't believe either of them if I was keen in and both them said, oh, we never viewed each other that way until the split like, no, I'm not, I'm not buying anything. Because now when we were together, when that was my wife, I feel like you was looking at her like that with those. That's what I'm saying. It's like you always wanted my wife. Like so that's, it's just, you don't need that energy. It's just way too many other, you know, relationships you could be in aside from that one. I wonder how much that's happened at S&O. that we don't know about. Ex-wives?
Starting point is 00:41:24 Or just like we dated the same girl? I mean, we just know how crazy, not SNL per se was, but like the 80s, like just those cast members and like the drugs they were taken and how wild like,
Starting point is 00:41:39 shit, I've read the John Belushi book. Like, they was all wilding. I could definitely see wives getting fucked in that time in a crazy way. I think this, I think SNL is way. way more tame behind the scenes now.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Like John Mullaney is like the, the, the cleanest drug addict I've ever seen in my life compared to what old SNL was like. As crazy as this may sound, and bear with me, fellas, with being misogynist today, Demaris is not here. As crazy as this may sound, it may be better if you just fucked my ex-wife because we were all getting high at SNL after-party, then you are actually in a relationship with my ex-wife. It might, being in a relationship with my ex-wife might be crazy than just fucking. Like we was all doing blow that night drinking.
Starting point is 00:42:24 We went to the bathroom. Yeah, we went to the bathroom. She gave me a little mop, you know what I'm saying? I just, I just, I just, you know what me? Versus, wait, you're with like you're, y'all live together. Y'all are actually together. To me, that's insane. I don't think that's a crazy take at all.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Yeah, I'm with you. That's insane. Yeah. Like, if we can get high, have fun. Yeah, if you was fucking snorting free base off my wife's titty, those were the time. You know what? Listen, man, it was a great run. It was a great run.
Starting point is 00:42:50 Great run. But I can't, y'all can't be at Wegmans squeezing avocados together. Y'all, like, don't be at Wegmans talking about, yo, we get into avocados and what do we make it to Taco Tuesday. Like, don't go get ingredients with my ex-wife. Don't do that. Yeah, you know how mad I'd be if like you got sober with my ex-wife? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:08 Like you guys became better people together? Get the fuck out of it. Wild times, man. It's wild times. It's fucking nasty. Well, this is kind of, kind of in real time. I was going to come onto the podcast based off a mention we just got. and say I was completely wrong based off our last episode
Starting point is 00:43:25 where I had said that three stacks had more rat versus than Big. For those that didn't listen to the episode, we were debating if Andre 3000 should be in the goat conversation. I had said because Biggs legacy was cut short, but he still was brought up no matter what in the Goad conversation, why can't Three Stacks be there just because he was in a group? He had a higher output than Big did and isn't in the conversation. somebody put an MC stat sheet in our mentions
Starting point is 00:43:54 which is incredible by the way yes I don't know if if at Ben Jones live made this stat sheet or got it from somebody else but he is saying that big has 102 rap album verses which is 16 bars and up and that three stacks has 66.5 now I was going to come in here and say I was wrong but now I'm looking at the rest of these stats
Starting point is 00:44:19 which makes me question the information entire thing. He's saying big has 39 featured rat verses where 39 there's 39 big features it might be on what planet I don't he says there's 46 featured rap versus for three stacks I don't even think there's 46 three stack features it could be I was the other day I saw like Kesh up first of all that Kesh versus is all right man but that's what I'm saying it's so many of those types of verses that are probably out there that we just forgot and looked over.
Starting point is 00:44:57 So this is AI, so who knows if it's true or not. Biggie has appeared on at least 17 singles as a featured artist. They say singles, so that could change things. But 39 big features are out there. How many fucking 112
Starting point is 00:45:12 and Mary J songs are out there that have Bigg on it? Bone thugs, Mary, Little Kim, Little Seas, Love the Doe, Junior Mafia. Junior, all right, cool, Kim. Yay. I guess if you're counting victories, yeah, I guess maybe if you start doing the ones that
Starting point is 00:45:34 came out after he died, you could maybe get to 39. Just seems like a lot to me. No way out on that album? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, maybe it gets a 39. But, I mean, still, I think I do stand corrected because I didn't think 102 to 66 was far from what I thought. I didn't know that would be the number.
Starting point is 00:45:56 Okay. Well, then if that's the case, I do take back my point of three stacks having an output far above people we consider goat. Like, all right, yeah. I still think Andre is one of the greatest rappers of all time. But based off what I was positioning in that debate, I mean, the stats here, correct or not. So am I right? No. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:16 And I need to know the 46 three stacks features. I can see that, though, because his, his, his, a lot of his career post, you know, whatever Outcast was doing, he would give us a verse every year, every two years. He'd give us a couple verses here and there. 46, though? There's only so many James Blake songs out there, Mo. Yeah, you're right. There's only two official Frank albums, and he's on both, but that's only two.
Starting point is 00:46:42 Somebody said technically, though, the Love Below was considered his debut album, even though it was classified as an Outcast album. All right. Technically, though, no, it was not considered his debut album. Let's start there, number one. Like, actually, technically, it was not. And technically it's not a rap album. It's not even close to a rap album.
Starting point is 00:46:59 Yeah, man. Even though it's, this is why I hate words. Even though it was classified as an outcast. No, it was an outcast album. It was an outcast album. It wasn't classified as an out. It's an outcast album. Technically though.
Starting point is 00:47:13 You know, I don't, I don't, because I don't, you know, I looked at the clip when P's was cutting it today and I was just like, damn. I said, I said I felt victim to putting 3,000 in my top five. Like, fallen victim is crazy. You felt like a victim? I mean, bad choice of words. That's why you say you hate words. I love words.
Starting point is 00:47:31 I hate how we use them sometimes. But no, that is a thing for me, though. Like, it was, anybody knows me, knows that Andre 3000 is one of my favorite rap, his favorite emcees of all time. And he's always been, you know, you're actually my top five. It was probably, we probably got it on video somewhere. He's saying it. But then you got to really think.
Starting point is 00:47:48 And it's just like, that's just not, it's not fair to other emcees, bro, like when you don't have a solo rap album. Sure. And I also, as much as I hate words, I do hate stats as well. Like, I think stats are some of the... Stats in hip-hop is crazy. Stats in general are fucking just dumb. No, it depends on what it is.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Sports, I'm here for stats. That's cool, but like... If it's Pfizer, we need the stats. You believe the Pfizer stats? I mean, we need some numbers to look at. We got to look at something. Black Rock, I really trust their stats. No, because stats take out context of so many fucking things.
Starting point is 00:48:23 of like fucking, the most shark attacks are at the beach. Yeah. It's where human beings are. Where else with shark attacks takes place at the mall? How many human beings are in the middle of the ocean at one time? But with stats, like, because then you just put yourself deeper in a bad rabbit hole of debates
Starting point is 00:48:43 when we do stuff like, I don't want to make it a Drake thing, but it's just a good example of, I'm sure we could probably find the stats of how much raps are on take care, how much singing is on. take care of, like, then at what point does it become a rap album? Like, once you get in that weird stat category, okay, now if, if honestly, never mind, in his catalog puts him over on the melody side that it does on the rap side, is Drake a rapper
Starting point is 00:49:12 anymore? Now can he be in the conversations? Because we have stats. Right. Meanwhile, take care as a rap album. But it's a lot of fucking singing. Do you compare that with, say, a straight rap album, like a Jay Z or Nas? Because the stats say we can't. Right. Yeah, when you get into that, it gets a little... But that's where even... And I'm a hypocrite because I brought up that entire point of,
Starting point is 00:49:35 well, how many rat versus the three stacks have versus somebody that has a solo project. Yeah. If he has more than someone with a solo project, then what are we even talking about? And, you know, it's just stats are dumb. I think my point stands though, Pige. I think I was right.
Starting point is 00:49:47 They're a victim? Well, yeah, I felt victim. I definitely felt victim. But no, I think you do... If we're going to say the top... rappers, top MCs, like, granted, Andre 3000 is a fucking goat. He's a legend. We know that.
Starting point is 00:50:00 But you got to have a solo rap album. You have to. Like, you can't be in the goat conversation in sports without championships, without rings. You can't even be in that conversation. You got to, you got to have to win. Is Alan Iverson in a goat category at his position? Okay. You see how you just, you see that, see that last piece you put it on?
Starting point is 00:50:23 at his position. That's why I always love the Simba goat record. Goat doesn't have to necessarily mean greatest of all time. Like there can be multiple goats. I think AI is in a goat conversation for the era that he's. He's a great player. He's a great athlete. You know,
Starting point is 00:50:38 he influenced the game and pushed the game to different levels and help make it a global thing for sure. But when you sit down and start having the conversations about who's the greatest in this sport, who's the greatest to do this? There's certain things that we, that must be there to have that person in the conversation. And I feel like in rap, if we're going to say best rappers,
Starting point is 00:50:59 you have to have a solo rap album. You can't be in a group. Because, okay, if Jada Kiss doesn't put out solo albums, can we have him in that conversation? If it was just the locks, none of them went solo, styles never put out solo. It was just the locks. They only gave us Locke's albums.
Starting point is 00:51:17 Do you say, oh, well, we're going to take Jada out of that group? I think we would have got more locks albums. Yeah, but okay, even if you did, even if we got 10 more lot out. The way Alcats had an output because they were, I think the locks. Even if you're right, Rory, you're going to now just take your favorite out of the group and put him in the greatest, like, he's the greatest rap. One of the greatest rappers of all time. Matthew Nose did it with his daughter. She has solo albums.
Starting point is 00:51:41 I know it took her out the group. She has solo albums, right? Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. You have to have the artist stand alone. You know, the group, what they did amazing. But then you're like, okay, you're taking your favorite one out of the group and then isolating the group over here and putting that, you know, whichever rapper here. It's just like it's not fair.
Starting point is 00:51:59 But I love what you said at the same time of me saying I felt like I overrated 3,000 in that sense. You said you felt like Big Boy was underrated. You see what I'm saying? So it kind of works in that weird way where it's like I feel one, obviously, 3,000 is probably, you know, the one out of the group that people revered the most. Yeah. Whether it's because of his creativity, his style, whatever it is, that's up for other people to debate. At the same breath, you'll say, yeah, but then big boy is underrated. I have a good question.
Starting point is 00:52:30 When you had brought up the new edition being the greatest group of all time, a lot of what we said was outside of what new edition did. Look what everyone else did with Belved DeVoe, Ralph, Johnny, Bobby Brown. Like, look what else they did as well. When it comes to the greatest rap groups, are we? be adding in what they did solo as well into that debate or we just straight up doing outcast versus mob deep if we're talking great are we doing wu tang if we're talking greatest rap group because that will be an attribute when if if and when individuals went solo what did they do what did they accomplish well then i mean that puts wu tang far above everybody in my opinion
Starting point is 00:53:09 some people even but some people have wu tang as the greatest rap group of all time anyway they are the greatest rap group okay but i could see some people i mean even though 36 chambers Wu forever, like all classics. I know plenty of people that would say I prefer outcast discography over Wu-Tang's. Group. You're not including anyone's solo shit. So do we have the same debate
Starting point is 00:53:33 on the other side of the coin? Like, is it just group versus group? Or does their solo accolades have to be brought into this? Well, it's like, it's like, who put out the list, it was BDOT of the top rappers of the year, right? And he had clips.
Starting point is 00:53:48 and we said, nah, you can't do that. It got to be one of the, you know what I'm saying? It's like if you're going to say top rappers of the year,
Starting point is 00:53:56 don't put the group. Pick one. If you're going to say the top rapper, pick one. But then it's weird because like there's not a lot of groups and clips deserves to be they were the best rap
Starting point is 00:54:08 rapping entities of 2020. See, you changed. They were. We just say we're the best. Look at the words. You go into entities. Now we're at entities.
Starting point is 00:54:18 We were at, we were at classified, now we had entities. Like, this is what I'm saying. Technically, they're classified as an entity. I get it. I understand. Technically classified as an entity. Yeah, I get it. I understand what you do.
Starting point is 00:54:33 But that's what I'm saying. But then what do you do? Because there weren't enough groups for BDOT to like really make a group unless you count like Larry June, two chains, out, no, no, no. What he could have did was he could have put push on malice one and then that push on malice three. But then people like, you would have been like, like, it wasn't a solo project. No, but we're talking about the top rappers.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Yeah. So based off the year, like, okay, on this album, because again, we said, Malice, he out before. But then you push on certain records. And, yeah, but, like, on certain records, both of them I felt like were pretty even. Sometimes push out. Okay, so then put them one and then in two. I mean, that's what my Apple wrap up did. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:55:09 Clips push in Malice. My eyes was drink and party. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, it happens. But you can't put the group and say top rappers. do that no pick one yeah so top rappers yes i had 3 000 in my top five for years but the more i think about it the more i start going down the list of rappers i like it's like it's not fair he doesn't have no solo rap albums you've got to have a solo rap album and t what is
Starting point is 00:55:36 name tedicated oh dedicated pause uh he says he don't need one yes he does and he's still great he is 3k is top five on any rap list no solo project needed. We just want it so bad. We denounce him for not giving us one. I'm never denouncing him. I'm just saying, I, me personally, my personal list. I cannot have a rapper as being one of the top five ever. And then somebody say, what's his solo album? And I said he never put out one. To me, that's insane to say that. It's insane. It doesn't take none away from his skill set, but you know how different it is to create an album with a group, even if it's just one other member, versus it's just you.
Starting point is 00:56:20 It's a whole different... It's a whole different bulgay. Some people never created music on an album, so maybe they don't know. But you can ask any MC, any rapper that started in a group, and they will tell you when it was time to create that solo album, it was an entirely different process and a whole lot more pressure on that one artist.
Starting point is 00:56:41 Yeah, because even like, the more I thought about it after we left, I still stand on him being in that conversation but I was thinking back of like when Q-Tip put out the Renaissance, I was like, oh, yeah, like Q-Tips now solidified. When he put out that solo shit, it's like, all right, two, three verses, every record, making every beat, like, all right, Q-Tip, fuck everything he did with Trop.
Starting point is 00:57:02 This guy is just goat status now that you could put out a five-mic record by yourself after. So I hear you. Greatest voices in rap history, Q-tip. Tip is up there. Grand Puba. I'm mad at Grand Puba. Just voices, just tone, just I have
Starting point is 00:57:19 Scarface Like that one For sure I mean, KISS Like KISS still has One of the most iconic Rap voices DMX for sure
Starting point is 00:57:29 Jay, Jay does Yeah, is that nasal It's like that nasally What's funny is Jay like made That was like a talent To make his voice iconic Yeah Because I mean I was six when Reasble Doubt came out
Starting point is 00:57:41 But like I'm sure everyone wasn't like Yo his voice Yeah Like it became like Like once he started like doing that mystique shit with his voice, I think that put him over the line. But I don't think anyone like out the gate was like that. Just pure regional, I think TI is up there.
Starting point is 00:58:02 I mean, but to everyone in Atlanta, he probably sounds like everybody in Atlanta. But TI, even when Farrell called him Jay Z at the side, like TI did supersede a region, but sounded exactly like his region with everything that he put out, that went around the world. Like, T.I.
Starting point is 00:58:19 the first time I heard T.I. said, who the fuck is that? Because his voice, not just the way he's rapping, his voice. Like, who the fuck is that? GZ's up there too. And three stacks. I mean, I think that goes without saying
Starting point is 00:58:30 best rap voices. Snoop. We're just saying one, two, three. One, two, three got us. That got us here. We've been hooked ever since. On one, two, three, and to the foe. Easy E.
Starting point is 00:58:44 Definitely. Yeah, I don't want to leave out West distinct voices in hip hop history for sure um chief keef yeah i'm dead ass yeah wayne's up there too juvies up there anyone from new orleans i feel like has an incredible rabboys yeah it's just this it's just the accent it's just the sound of new orleans yeah yeah mall today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor hard rock bet the official sports book partner of the miami heat and the orlando magic just clean it up in florida over there i cleaned up over the holidays. I made some money, man, on Hard Rock Bet.
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Starting point is 01:00:48 me, Clifford Taylor the fourth. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.
Starting point is 01:01:04 This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music.
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Starting point is 01:01:44 Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down,
Starting point is 01:02:05 and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because, of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line.
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Starting point is 01:02:44 podcasts. I feel like it was a little bit unbelievable until I really start making money. It's Financial Literacy Month and the podcast, Eating While Broke, is bringing real conversations about money, growth, and building your future. This month, hear from top streamer Zoe Spencer and venture capitalist Lakeisha Landrum-Pierre as they share their journeys from starting out to leveling up. If I'm outside with my parents and then see all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what?
Starting point is 01:03:13 But today now, obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything. But at first, it was just like, you got to go get a real job. There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by fell is they don't have money to pay for food. They cannot feed their kids. They do not have homes.
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Starting point is 01:05:33 This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrat as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network available on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Mall, it's playoff football time. I'm excited, man. It's a good episode for Demarest to miss so we can just like be men.
Starting point is 01:05:56 We can be men and talk about football. And for sure, and talk about some gambling, to be quite honest. Let's do it. I don't, listen, Giants stink. So I only care about the spread.
Starting point is 01:06:05 I'm only here to gamble for the playoffs. Only the spreads? I'm here to spread them, all. I'm here to spread them sponsored by Hard Rock. I like that. This is spread them sponsored by Hard Rock bet. You can bet I'm going to spread them.
Starting point is 01:06:20 Let's do it. I don't want you to spread it. But it's time to spread them. Let's pick some of the spread. Let's look at the spread and let's get some guesses off. And I don't think whoever loses the spread needs to spread them. But it could be funny if our listeners comment on what a punishment could be. Let's make some picks here.
Starting point is 01:06:37 Okay. And if I end up winning, we'll pick the funniest thing in the comments of what the punishment can be. I want to make it clear, though. We're drawing. I'm not spreading them if I. No, no, no, no, no. This is spread. them sponsored by a hard rock bet this is spread them i'm going to spread them i'm fucking with the
Starting point is 01:06:51 patriots but three and a half i'm not risking to spread them yeah yeah yeah i feel you on that one yeah all right so who we got rory uh well i guess we can start with the is patriots chargers um minus three with the patriots i'm taking the patriots i do think they're going to beat the charges no no no it's not minus three and a half that see this is this is very it's very no no minus three and a half you have to say it's minus three and a half that was just like andre three thousand was 66.5 That's why he lost the big. Exactly. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:07:20 Well, either way, I'm still taking my pick. I'm going with the Patriots. I think they will beat the Chargers by more than three and a half. I like that. I like that spread. All right. So we both spreading them. I do.
Starting point is 01:07:31 No, I like that. I like me personally, I have the Patriots going to the Super Bowl. I don't think that's a crazy take it all. Yeah. I have the Patriots going to the Super Bowl. But I do like this spread. I do like Patriots minus three and a half. That's kind of disrespectful to, to Draco.
Starting point is 01:07:45 Why? Because I think they're going to beat the charges by 10. That's kind of crazy. I mean, even, I kind of feel like the bills minus one against the jacks is disrespectful, too. That might be crazy. That's disrespectful. I'm taking the bills on that all day. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:04 Like, Vegas sometimes, man, I got to figure it out one day. But yeah, I'm taking the bills in that one. I think Eagles minus three and a half is disrespectful. as well. No, the 49ers are good. Don't get me wrong. But I don't know. I'm taking the Eagles there too. I don't have any really like surprise once here. I think maybe where we could figure out. You taking the Eagles? Yeah. To win that game? By more than three and a half. I like 49ers in that game. Okay. I like the 49ers in that game. I'm taking the 49ers in that in that game. Okay. Do you have Rams minus 10 at the Panthers? If I'm the Panthers, that's that's fighting words.
Starting point is 01:08:44 I'm taking the Rams in that one I'll take the Panthers on that I think the Rams are going to win but I don't know if they're going to win by the time Yeah I'll take the Rams in that one I'll take the Panthers on that one All right so I got the who I got Josh I got the 49ers beating the Eagles
Starting point is 01:08:56 Well we both pick the Patriots Yeah But then I picked the Rams to beat the Panthers And And then we have bills over the Jags Minus one is minus one That's nuts That's crazy
Starting point is 01:09:10 But I don't know We'll see Yeah All Streaks months come to an end. But yeah, we'll pick something in the comments of what the punishment should be. It's funny. Off Mike Pidge was saying a live stream until you finish a 5,000 piece puzzle. We're not doing that. We're not doing that. We're not doing that. I can't read. Do you know? I don't know if there's a much data or data in the world to do a live stream of me trying to
Starting point is 01:09:33 finish a 5,000 piece puzzle. Yeah, I will be here for 5,000 days trying to finish that. Just not. My 80s. It'd be biblical. Yeah, it won't allow me to finish that. Oh, but that is our spread-em sponsored by hard rock bet and we'll have to see who has to spread them at the end of this weekend that hard rock needs to make spread them spread them spread them spread them right right in the front of the snap back you put hard rock on the back but put spread them right there spread them uh while we're on gambling i'm not gonna i'm not gonna say what the site is because you know we only support hard rock bet but you know there's sites that you could bet on literally anything um on one of those sites they had they had a, they had to spread them as far as what the White House press conference.
Starting point is 01:10:14 The White House spread them? Listen, Clinton has showed us that they do a lot of spreading in the White House. But there was a bet how long the press conference was going to last. And Shorty got out of there. She was shaving points. I'll just put it that right before the clock, right before the buzzer went off. That is the Pete Rose of the White House for sure. She got out of that.
Starting point is 01:10:39 She was in the middle of incentives like, yo, I'm out. She saw a red light like she was at a comedy club. That's funny. She got out of there immediately. That was. So they had a briefing, had a 98% chance of running over 65 minutes until Caroline leave it. Abruptly ended it with seconds to spare. Traders on the no side made 50 times in seconds.
Starting point is 01:11:02 50 times their bet. Wow. Yeah, this sounds like, I don't know, man. This feels like inside of trading. Somebody called Carolyn before the game was like, yo, listen, man, this is what we doing. This is the spread. Like, listen, we need this.
Starting point is 01:11:16 Out of all the insider training, the White House does, this is the one that care about the league. This is just funny to me. Yeah, this is fun. This is like office fun and shit. But this is, I mean, this is why I could never have, like, a relative that has, like, this type of power.
Starting point is 01:11:30 Because I would be showing them these over-unders every day. Oh, for sure. Like, dude, tell me, you've rehearsed your speech already. Yeah. Tell me exactly what that clock. Like, I'll come over. over there with my stopwatch. Just let me know.
Starting point is 01:11:41 We don't even have to make you rush out of there. And just give me the accurate time. All the difficult is somebody in the back that's like, yo, we had like 10 seconds. Like, oh, you know that's what happened. They got to have DeMaris do this in the back. That's what they should do. Hey, y'all should start betting on how long our episodes
Starting point is 01:11:56 could have been. Start betting on that. Listen. Yeah. If somebody, yeah, we could work it out. Just let me know. I mean, this was bound to happen when they shut the government down. government that nobody's getting paid yeah now they got a bet on this stuff got to you got to you got to
Starting point is 01:12:12 we got to make money somehow but see this is why i'm saying we we need to talk to your NBA friends alleged said it to me on camera yeah what's wrong with you man what the fuck is rolling what are we doing man we could retire we're spreading them yeah yeah we talk about like some of some of my homies in the league like we but we laugh about it obviously i'm not i don't i don't you know i'm not i would never be like yo listen man just take the under tonight i'm not doing that but it is a thing though like they had conversations like amongst each other like with some of their friends be able like yo you crazy like i'm not doing that shit man like not hell no but then it's fucked up because you see certain games
Starting point is 01:12:50 where they point out certain things that players be doing and it's like wait that looks a little fishy or like what yeah why was you how did you air ball right there you know what the other night what was it jel lbrungeon hit that shot that three remember they had the knicks yeah they had the nicks uh And Jalen, he stole the ball, stole the ball, and then turned around and just shot a corner three, and they went in and they ended up winning by two. They lost by two. Shit like that.
Starting point is 01:13:17 When I see that, I'm like, come on, bro. Like, I get it, Jalen, play to the buzzer, but come on, bro. You knew something. Jalen knew something in that moment. He knew he fucked up somebody's money. My favorite part of 2025 so far is watching everyone on TikTok just get tricked for the idiots that they are. What do you mean?
Starting point is 01:13:36 It started on New Year's Eve where hundreds of people showed up to the Brooklyn Bridge because Oh, they thought it was fireworks. There was like an AI. It wasn't even fireworks. It was like a bunch of like the fire shit that falls. I forgot what that shit is called. So somebody made an AI video of that like on, I don't know, the 30th, 29th or whatever. And, you know, all the New York transplants were like, oh, we have to go see that this year.
Starting point is 01:14:00 Yeah. So they all lined up in Dumbo to watch the shit at midnight in the fucking freezing cold and just wasted the first few minutes of their new year doing this dumb shit with their phones out. Is it the fireworks usually at Battery Park? On New Year's? I think it's on the other side, right? They haven't done New Year's fireworks
Starting point is 01:14:19 in a minute. No, they did fireworks this year, though. I think they were just on the wrong side of... Well, either way, they thought a bunch of lights were going to fall off. That's a lot of fucking people. Off an AI video on TikTok. And then there was another one at the top of this year.
Starting point is 01:14:35 This guy, had an idea of, you know, you could do a month pop-up shop somewhere, anywhere in the village or Soho or whatever. So he rented a spot and used TikTok to promote this new ramen spot that has five stars. Like he made the Yelp page, everything, all the comments. So influencers on TikTok started calling him like, hey, can we come here and review the entire thing? All he was serving was ramen noodles. Like, I like it.
Starting point is 01:15:03 Out the styrofoam. I like shit like this. Look at how. Look how long this line. All of you sheep. Look at you sheep. No, the funniest part was the calls of like, hey, I'm an influencer. I have like 200K.
Starting point is 01:15:13 Like, can I get in the front of the line? He got a DJ. He bought some fake plants. He set a vibe. Okay. He just put green lights. Yeah. Probably scribbled those paintings the day of.
Starting point is 01:15:23 That's all right. It's vibes. And then everyone, everyone, you know, home cooked, best they've ever had. He was asking how much they would pay $45 to $50. For just instant ramen. That's crazy. There's a spot not too far from here That every time I pass that the line is wrapped around
Starting point is 01:15:42 I think it's called wa-fung I'm not sure W-A-H-F-U-N-G It's on Christie I don't know what they're selling in there But that line is always wrapped around the corner I don't know that's it right there Rory I don't know what they're selling in there
Starting point is 01:16:00 But we got to go over here one day and check it out That line bro you don't understand how it's i don't i don't know that might be one of these things where a influencer went here i'm sure it's one of those yeah that line is but i'm talking about it's been like this for years okay for years this line there's a couple spots in this area that that i like that every day um based off what ig reels and ticot are doing shit even uh across the street of my barbershop uh in the east village for the last year there's just been people wrapped around the corner right across street i finally asked my barber's like
Starting point is 01:16:35 what is that? He said, it's a photo booth, go. I said like a, like, is it a special type of photo booth? He said, no, it's just one on TikTok that people promote. And it's just a photo booth. Sheep. It's literally just a photo booth. All of you sheep. Yeah, but we got to go in there and talk to the guy to the chef and she was going on in there.
Starting point is 01:16:55 What's funny is with the ramen shit, and I don't know if it's because the instant ramen just has so much salt and, like, that's what we were adapted to as kids. I go to the fancy ramen spots and I love ramen. A lot of times like, bro, this should cost 75 cents. There's no flavor in this broth. I'm paying $60 for noodles. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:15 And undercooked pork. Are you a foe? A foe person? Love foe, yeah. Yeah. I like that. What's it supposed to be pronounced as? Fa, foe, foe. I say foe and I get cursed out by snobbs all the foe, foe, foe. Fee-Fi, foe.
Starting point is 01:17:28 Let's get some fee-fifo-fo. But no, I'm down to go. Pige and I want to go to Salt Hanks. We're turning into the TikTok enforcers. That looks like the best French dip sandwich of all time. That sandwich did look good. Yeah, show me that video. That sandwich does look good.
Starting point is 01:17:44 Of course I would have to come out of retirement. No, I would never eat that. That would be worth coming out of retirement. Never. I would not eat that. You should break your celibacy for that. Hell no. Fuck no.
Starting point is 01:17:52 But that sandwich does. I know a good sandwich. I know what to look at when I'm looking at a sandwich. Like, okay, that's a good sandwich. The bread, the cheese, pause, the pastrami is it? French dip is like beef. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:06 Okay. It's not roast beef per se but yeah. Beef. That looks like a good sandwich. Carmelized onions. I gotta go. Just so I can know like if it's peas I know is gonna love it. All you got to do is give peach fucking cheese and beef.
Starting point is 01:18:15 Paul's he'll have a fucking great time. Like he don't give a fuck. Anytime they take out the torch to just touch the top of the cheese, I'm kind of sold. Yeah. Like as much as I'm clowning all these people on TikTok that are sheep, like it's pretty easy to get me on a YouTube short for a restaurant. Like you have to show me two places. Like, all right, man. I'll be there tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:18:33 I'm there. I'll pull up tomorrow. What time? I mean, shit, even days reviews for pizza, I'm easy to get that way. There's in our area, one of the biggest ones that just opened, which is good. But I don't know, I feel like the internet changes taste buds. Well, when you see people raving about something, like, oh, this is amazing. Something in your mind, like, let me go see if that's what it is.
Starting point is 01:18:58 Because the pizza I'm talking about is great. Like when I bought it for the three of us, like when it first opened, because it was raved. Dave called it like the best pizza ever. And it was great. I'm not saying it wasn't. But I was like, if I had tasted this without seeing all the reviews, I'd probably like it more. I think I kind of was like, no, this is great. But like, this is the best I've ever had.
Starting point is 01:19:20 But to be fair, one thing I will say is you have to have that pizza like fresh out at this. Oh, yeah. Don't get it delivered because by the time it gets cold and things like that. it's like, no, I walk to get it. This place only does by appointment. Yeah. Because they make it,
Starting point is 01:19:34 like, they can only do so many pies. So I picked it up as it came out of the oven. And it was great, but I don't know. The internet fucks with your mental when it comes to food. For sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:44 Because I've even, with our area, just, you know, your phone can find your location pretty easily. So I'll get the algorithm of restaurants in the area. And, you know, if I have some time, I'll stop at the five-star joints.
Starting point is 01:19:56 I'm like, I really should just want to the deli. Yeah. Like, the deli would have been a better option than this entire thing. And then I go back to the video I watch that convinced me. And I'm like, this chick was only talking about the vibe and the martini the whole time.
Starting point is 01:20:08 What the fuck is wrong with me? You ordered all of the wrong shit. All of the wrong shit. These apps were to die for it. They wasn't. I lived. Yeah, I'm still alive. I'm here.
Starting point is 01:20:17 Well, at least someone is bringing like balance to society more. While people are creating fake Yelp pages and websites to make their ramen spots five stars, there are still some good old Italians in New Jersey that are using Yelps. to attack their customers for every review. I love that. I love that. I love owners that I like that. Attack the customer.
Starting point is 01:20:36 I'm not going to say what restaurant is because last time we did Yelp reviews with a liquor store in Brooklyn, it almost came to fist the cuffs. I don't know if you remember that entire tobacco. We don't have to go down that path again. But people are leaving, you know, regular Yelp reviews. And this was last year, waited 45 minutes, even though we had a reservation and we were on time, extremely, extremely expensive. The owner then replies, anyone who gives the restaurant.
Starting point is 01:21:00 two stars is a blowjob. Is a blowjob? Okay. That's some Italian shit. You're a blow job. You're a blow job. Okay. It has no credibility.
Starting point is 01:21:09 Stay home and cook for all our sake. Who has credibility on yelp? Well, I guess they're saying if you're not like a chef or a restaurant owner yourself, then it's like you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know good food. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the point of Yelp is the customers. It's not a Wall Street Journal of food critic. I like it though.
Starting point is 01:21:28 This other review is super long. I'm not going to read the entire thing to bore everyone, but a typical Yelp review of overpriced, uh, 22 hours for soggy Brussels, 600 totals, freezing. I just want to get to his reply to this very lengthy and,
Starting point is 01:21:43 and fair review of their experience. I wouldn't worry about that small table. I'd be more concerned about your small cock. It's evident based on the fact that you took the time to create accounts and leave a review. We truly feel for your wife here, one star for you. A star. a star for every inch of your cock
Starting point is 01:22:01 and in parentheses it wouldn't let me spell cock correctly yeah like I wanted I wanted to be clear of what I'm trying to say like I was trying to spell it right they wouldn't let me spell it right
Starting point is 01:22:19 because we have to have some integrity to our reviews don't think that I was just sitting in a wild and out cock is not spelled COK I know that Yelp just wouldn't let me do that exactly
Starting point is 01:22:29 then we get to just a quick one of someone, Steve started to notice that the, the owner was replied to certain thing. So Steve wanted to, you know, be a good Samaritan. Give everyone a heads up, hey, if you had a bad experience, he's going to say something mean to you. So maybe we should just do.
Starting point is 01:22:45 Be prepared. Prepare yourself. So Steve tells us, if you write a bad review, the owner insults you in the reply. Karma will catch up with him. Steve, again, just trying to help out the people. Yeah. The owner then takes that response and goes, Cuck.
Starting point is 01:23:01 How do you land on Cuck? Yeah, yeah. Learn to pronounce noun one informal. I believe he, is he now just putting the definition of cuck? Yes. A weak or cerebral man, parentheses, often use, O'Mall, you're going to have to definitely spell that word for me.
Starting point is 01:23:18 As a contemptuous. Jesus Christ, I must be a cuck. Turn for a man with moderate, progressive political views to a man whose wife is sexually unfaithful, a cuckold. He knows nothing about that man if he's married. Nothing about him. He knows nothing about Steve. And this is the owner?
Starting point is 01:23:38 I believe so. Oh, yeah, then for the authorities. That would be the owner, though. That makes perfect sense. I didn't know that was the definition of cuck. Now I actually fully understand why Republicans called Democrats cucks. I always thought it was weird. I was like, are you just assuming that he likes to see his wife get fuck?
Starting point is 01:23:57 I didn't know there was a real political view part of that. And I didn't know a wife. Well, she's not unfaithful if you like watching her to get fuck. you're just a cuck. Yeah, because you know she's having sex with somebody else. Yeah, that's not unfa. Aren't you asking her to do? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:11 Puff was a cuck. It's weird. Yeah, it's weird. No, I mean, I still think that's warranted on Yelp. I'm not trying to take away from the Cuck. No, no.
Starting point is 01:24:17 In his review, he used it correctly. Yeah, absolutely. Steve just mind his business. But no, I wish more of this would happen. Yelp, Yelp should allow people to spell out cock.
Starting point is 01:24:28 And, like, I feel like it'd be a cooler place. If people were allowed to use the other C right there. If you were allowed to just clap back at reviews this way. Just leave like crazy reviews? Respond to the responses. I tried to do that on our live on Patreon, but you guys got mad at me. When did you try that? That fucking cuck.
Starting point is 01:24:49 I tried to get him in the ZoomZoom room. I don't remember that. He leaves reviews every day on every episode. I was like, well, let's talk you fucking cuck. Yeah, but he's, come on. You know that. I'm just trying to be like this guy. Yeah, but that person is not going to, you told him I getting on camera.
Starting point is 01:25:02 That person's not going to do that. He's definitely Steve F for sure. I'm sure this happens more in New Jersey than we know about. I love it though, man. To me, that makes me want to go to that restaurant. Oh, for sure. Like, now I want to go there and just, like, even if the food is incredible, like, I just want to, like, be like, yeah, the food's great,
Starting point is 01:25:21 but I'm only here because I want, you know, I want him to get in the comments and kind of, like, kill me about it. But even, like, the mom and pop West Indian restaurants, they don't go to this degree. But the ruder they are to you, the better you. Food's fine. You know the food's going to be better. If you walk in, she has an attitude?
Starting point is 01:25:36 She's sucking her teeth when you order the, like, do what the restaurants for. If you walk in and she has an attitude or she's on the phone, food's about to be incredible. Or if you have the nerve to ask if there's still oxtails after 5 o'clock. And she's like, what the fuck is like, why would you think that? What kind of establishment you think you were on there? You think they would still be here? Fucking come back on Wednesday. You thought they would still be here.
Starting point is 01:25:58 It's 515. You thought oxtail. After the lunch hour of shit is gone. You thought they would still be available. I would love to know what your Yelp reviews back to some of our listeners would be. I thought about it. But then it goes against what you always tell me to stop doing is replying to. Sometimes it's fun to do that.
Starting point is 01:26:18 No, no, that's what I'm saying. Just to have fun. Just to have fun. And like, I might do that in our comments now. Like I might just take the internet type of. Yeah, it might just take two weeks and just like going to all of our posts and just respond to people and have some fun. Would you go back to our, I think we still have the. Tinder accounts, but I think I definitely took off the, God, no.
Starting point is 01:26:38 We were paying like monthly so we get more swipes. I definitely took that off like four years ago. But that could be fun to go back and do that. Go on Tinder? Yeah, with each other's accounts. But we went on, didn't we create like, wasn't it gay profiles that we were just acting like? No, you created my profile from your phone.
Starting point is 01:26:56 I created, like my Tinder right now is mall. It's not Rory. Okay. I was the only one that made yours. Mine is straight. Yes. that you made because you had integrity. I made yours bisexual.
Starting point is 01:27:09 And I only replied to the guys. Oh my God, man. We should bring that back. Just to go on Tinder as each other? Yeah. I think that could be fun. But then like follow through with it. Like actual set up a date.
Starting point is 01:27:23 Yeah. I'll take it off bisexual. Thank you. Oh, and I put it in no age. Like no age? Oh, there was like 50 year old women in there. Oh, my God. And there were some old dudes for sure.
Starting point is 01:27:36 Yeah, take that off my profile. Some old cucks for sure. Please, come on, man. Take that off my profile. I'm not mad at that though. We can revisit that maybe. Let me see if. And just see what I don't,
Starting point is 01:27:44 I definitely don't know the login or nothing like that. I probably couldn't access the account that I created for you. Yeah, I just opened it up, man, with the mall profile. Come out the gate. Daniela 40. That's your speed. Okay, yeah. What about Chris?
Starting point is 01:27:58 But you swipe left on her. You put nope. Whoops, my bad. That was my speed. What about Chris 52? Okay, no. Swipe the same way. He's only in Stony Brook.
Starting point is 01:28:05 Swipe the same way. He's only in Stony Brook. I'm trying to think what I put, like, as your profile. This was so long ago that we did this. I definitely can't access your profile on that shit. I do not remember that password. I could be getting so many hits right now. There's probably some of people that think I'm just so rude that I'm not getting back.
Starting point is 01:28:27 They think you conceded it. Oh, Josh, come on. How do you find your own profile on a? You know, been on Tinder? It's been on Grindr. Josh has been on Grindr. Yeah, I don't think I've read this in four years. Your About Me section starts with three money bags.
Starting point is 01:28:49 Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, you know what time it is. Who would want to talk to somebody? Dot, dot, dot, dot. I told Guru to unloosh the flutes. I'm 40 and have never been in a relationship, so clearly I have no intimacy issues. Dot, dot, dot, dot. Also, yes, that is Drake. one of my photos.
Starting point is 01:29:08 I was ahead of my time. And why did I put Biggs into this, man? Why that's one of the photos with you a big? No, we're definitely going back to the Tender Streets for sure. That's hilarious. Before we get out of here, I know we didn't put a real wager on if Mall is correct or not on the surprise album. I mean, I think with that one outside of the hard rock bet,
Starting point is 01:29:33 it's like you've got to spread them if you're wrong about the surprise album. Sure, that's crazy. We know we're getting the Bruno Mars record tomorrow. I did hear the IDK and Pusha T record. Life for Life, that shit is great. Shout out to IDK. French Montana Max B. We get a mixtape.
Starting point is 01:29:51 Coke Wave 3.5. Narcos. I mean, depending on the rumored surprise album, that would be my first go-to. Maugh, and I think you have a little interlude on that logic record that comes out. It's all your fault. It is all my fault. Chief Keith, Harry Potter. I'm always here for a Chief Keith record.
Starting point is 01:30:11 Jordan Ward has a record coming out. Young Blue, Ferg. There's a lot of shit here. I'm not mad at that the ASAP Rocky joint that came out. Of course, we knew the video was going to be fire already. But the record's cool, too. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:25 I mean, his fans, like the Rocky stand, I think, is always fine with him experiment. So I don't think he's going to upset his fan base with the sound that he has. What is it? Is it ASAP punky? Is that the name of the album? the name of the single, I believe.
Starting point is 01:30:38 Oh. But yeah, it's cool. I like the sound. I mean, it's child drums, but what isn't? Back to the child drums. They're everywhere. No, but this time I'm actually right. There's a child ass drums.
Starting point is 01:30:50 Back to the child drums, but no, I like the, I like the Rocky record. To be quite honest, the records he's dropped in the last two years, I think I like this song the best. The other videos might be better, but the song is good. I'm not mad at Rocky singing
Starting point is 01:31:04 in some alternative way. to it. I want to hear what Rocky's doing, man. I want to hear if he's still inspired to make music or create music and, you know what I mean? Like, life is totally different for him now, obviously, but... At the end of the last episode, I brought up Rihanna and the Fenty photos that she dropped mainly the product. As we were leaving, do you guys see she dropped the visual for it? The product, you know, just great fabric. The fabric looks even better in the video. The fabric, huh? You always see the visual when we left? Is that the visual? It's screenshots. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:31:39 Okay. Yeah, good fabric. Yo, Grop. Never mind. Yo, Grock. No, shout out to Rocky, though, man. Yeah, no, for sure. It could be a good, good new music Friday.
Starting point is 01:31:56 We shall see. People active. Top of the year. People active. They drop it. We're putting our music. We going live at midnight. You and I on Instagram live?
Starting point is 01:32:05 Well, when they're hearing this, we would have went live. But it depends. if I'm right or wrong. If I'm right. Well, if you're right, I'm going to want to listen to the project. I'm not going to probably want to go on live. Why not? Listen to it together.
Starting point is 01:32:16 Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We can't. We can't. We can do on a Patreon though. I don't even know if I'm allowed. Oh, no, because we'd have to do it.
Starting point is 01:32:23 Yeah, we can do it to Patreon. I don't even know if I'm allowed to go live anymore on Instagram. I haven't tried it. I haven't tried it. The amount of times when I was playing music, when they were switching the rules, I got flagged a I made a joke months ago about somebody in the chat. I remember. They flagged it.
Starting point is 01:32:39 They cut the live. And I've never tried after that. Yeah, that was bad. Yeah. Because that was a really good live that we kept and then we had to take it down. It was a really good joke too. I think the person you said it to laughed. Like they weren't even.
Starting point is 01:32:52 Yeah, she laughed. She didn't care about that shit. Like, it was a joke. I did see that our Discord and Patreon is trying to do like a Emily and Paris watch party. Is it Sunday? is when the new crack drops? No, no, no, the season is out. They want to just talk about the season.
Starting point is 01:33:11 Okay. On Discord. So did you watch the full? I'm almost done. I got two episodes left. Okay. On the fifth season. And they just got renewed for a six season.
Starting point is 01:33:20 Shout out, Emily and Paris. Just got renewed for a sixth season. They thought it was over, Emily! Emily! Six? Yo, no, seriously, congrats. Yeah. I, again, didn't particularly like like the first.
Starting point is 01:33:33 He's thinking crashes. No, it's a mole. Come on, man. I did that. I did that. Emily! No, it has to be a good, like six seasons is crazy. Yeah, no, that's incredible, man.
Starting point is 01:33:43 Okay. All right, maybe I'll give it another shot. Like, to get to season six and has to be. I'm telling you, man, Emily and Paris. What gets to six seasons these days? I think they said in 11 days, they did like 26 million views or something like that. You know what I mean? So, yeah, man, Emily and Paris is still kicking ass out there, man.
Starting point is 01:34:00 Yeah. Okay. I watched, uh, Was it you that told me somebody, did y'all see, did you watch Paradise on Hulu? No. Beast of me is what I told you. You told me I'm going to start that decision. That shit's crazy.
Starting point is 01:34:13 No, you have to watch Paradise on Hulu. Okay. The second season, I think, starts in February. All right. Watch Paradise on Hulu. Incredible show. Did you ever watch the pranks that, like, Red Bull and all those people used to do where, like, Eli Manning would dress up as, like, a try to be a walk-on player to Penn State
Starting point is 01:34:32 and would just ball out. They did a bunch of them. Like Chris Bryant did one with Greg Maddox. They're funny. Okay. So Eli Manning was this guy Chad Powers that tried to,
Starting point is 01:34:43 you know, try out person. Of course, Chad Powers. That's such a name of that. And it was funny, right? They made a series on Hulu called Chad Powers where this guy who used to play
Starting point is 01:34:52 for Oregon, he drops the ball at the one-yard line as he's scoring the winning TD. His life fucks up after that. And he goes back to college dressed as Chad Powers and, you know, starts bowling out.
Starting point is 01:35:06 It's kind of, it's produced by the Mannings. Okay. It's like, what is it? Omaha Productions is what they call the shit. It's not Ted Lasso per se, but it really wasn't as bad as people made it out to seem, and it just got a second season. So I'm curious, if you need something and just turn your brain off, Chad Powers isn't that bad.
Starting point is 01:35:24 It's actually kind of a funny football show. So Beast, me. You can tell the Mannings wrote it, though. Okay. Beast and Me, Chad Powers. definitely watch Paradise on Hulu Yeah Make sure y'all check that out
Starting point is 01:35:35 Fellas check that out Everybody out there If you haven't seen it already Incredible show And Marty Supreme Man go see Marty Supreme this weekend It's my neighbor man I have to
Starting point is 01:35:45 Yeah go support Timothy man I see what they're They're gearing Timothy up to be the next Leo Brad You know They yeah For the last few years
Starting point is 01:35:55 He's gonna be one of them Yeah I think he's the next Yeah And the Wall Street Journal finally just gave the first stand account a proper write-up. The six-year-old woman that runs Timothy's fan Twitter page or whatever
Starting point is 01:36:08 got like a Wall Street Journal business write-up. Oh, no, no, I think it was the worst thing that's ever happened. You think it's the worst thing to happen? Wait till the Kendrick and Drake stamp pages now start getting deals. Oh, okay. I'm saying it just legitimized. Oh, okay, okay. I see what you're saying.
Starting point is 01:36:26 Yeah, it's scary. It's very, very fucking scary. Definitely go see, if you get a chance as we can go see Marty Supreme, great movie. I think that it's definitely probably going to be up there with movie of the year. I still think that Leo's one battle after another with Tiana Taylor.
Starting point is 01:36:41 I feel that's going to be the movie of the year. 25, obviously. But love Marty Supreme, great movie. And I might go see it again this weekend. All right. Yeah, I might go see it. Well, hopefully the next time we talk to you guys, we will be reviewing an album.
Starting point is 01:36:56 We'll see. If not, we'll just pick an album and review it. Let's start it right. Let's start it right. All right. We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed.
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