New Rory & MAL - Episode 441 | Regional Bias

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

We don’t know what happened over the weekend, but it’s cold in the studio. Nobody tell 50. Mal shows accountability, and admits he was wrong about an exclusive music drop, but he did call Teyana Taylor winning a Golden Globe. Rory told y’all Hot 97 was about to hire Mero, but nobody wanted to listen. Plus, Rory and Mal respond to 9th Wonder’s rant on X, Drake shames Rory on his IG story, and Bruno’s new single leaves Rory and Mal disappointed. #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes. Of the week. Yes, yes. I feel like Cameron and 50 might be in our comments soon because it is freezing in the studio right now. The heat is on, but it's like 30 degrees in here. I don't know what's going on. It was kind of warm this weekend too. Sometimes when we leave the heat off, it gets cold in here.

Yeah. It gets colder. here than outside. It's warming up, though. I had to take my jacket off. I get hot in 50 degree weather. I mean, this is like lined with it. That's like a bear skin. You know, white that don't get cold. That's like a mink. You got a mink car heart jacket. Only a white would mink out a carhart jacket with a special red dye. Oh, man. What's going on, man? I'm good. How are you feeling? I feel good. I feel like we should get right to it. Let's get right to it, man. I feel, I'm in a mood today. I feel it's, I feel some type of way today. I feel like you. I feel like you.

owe the culture some push-ups. Why? I feel like you owe it's 10 push-ups. For what? Because on Friday, nothing dropped, but another variant of COVID. Mad albums dropped. Nah, I know, but one of the most anticipated albums of all time did not drop. Mad albums dropped.

Mad songs, singles. I'm so happy to see that the wave is free. We'll get into the French and Max B-Tape. I like it a lot. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. No, you didn't know.

I don't know. No, that's what everyone is saying. Wall did not know. I know. Come on, man. Don't do that. Don't do that. We gave you a mulligan, sample clearances or whatever.

Yeah. But you were certain that something that we have been anticipating, which could only really be three people when you get down to it, if we're talking rap. If you said across all genres, if they'll be honest, and they're whatever. But we were thinking, and I guessed you were talking about Jay Cole. I don't think Iceman is done yet.

I don't think Kendrick is dropping in the first quarter. So that would only leave one, which we assumed to be based off the clues that you gave us, was Germain Cole. So I feel, even though I would not speak for the culture, just in the room, I'm the only one with the mic that wasn't wrong in this situation. I feel like, yo, it's 10 pushups. Yeah. 10 pushups for the culture, just for getting us all excited.

Had a great weekend, right? Rob Markman made a good point. I don't know if you're talking about you or not. But I feel like as podcasters, maybe we should get fine for misinformation. Why? Like, we should put, like, you know the swear jar? We should do a swear jar across the board for all podcasters. Listen, I owe a lot of money if that's the case.

Yeah, but if I said a name, that's different. But I did think I did. I did have very good intel that an album was dropping that we were all anticipated. Okay. I don't know what happened. I feel like this is almost like women's semantics because we knew based off the clues you were given, there was really only one person that it could have been.

Okay. Who else do you think it could have been? Well, I know who I was talking about. But I wouldn't say. Did they drop? No. Okay. Why?

I don't know. I don't know things happened. I don't know why it didn't drop. But I have very good conversations that it was supposed to do. drop but you know. Okay. Things happen. So it is what it is. Do you think I was wrong that one time. I'm sorry, y'all. I apologize. But I didn't give that information

without great resources. That's all. Which, which I understand. I've been in that situation and sometimes you get good information from great sources and things change and you already went out there and said some shit. It's okay. I'm not like others in the culture where they don't, you know what I'm saying, apologize for their mishaps. I'm a man. I apologize, y'all. my work's still good my stamp is still good though you know what I'm saying players fuck up too yeah the work just got intercepted at the border that's all right

Trump Trump is being all right hit the border man was your 92 bricks yeah now you're crawling back it's okay it's all right it's all right we still here do we think that that uh all right I'm done playing the guessing game I me personally thought you were talking about j cole you did not say it was cold I felt like you were talking about cool whatever album it is do you think maybe this Friday do we think it's just off it was either last Friday or we don't even know is it just getting pushed a week I don't know about a week but it definitely was again off the information that I had it definitely was slated to drop Friday with okay with the fall off being rumor not just with you there was there was you were not

you were the first person not the only one that talked about what an album was dropping Friday or around that time. With Ice Man, we think is almost done. I don't know. Fall off Rumored to be almost done. Do Cole and Drake drop within the same month? No. Same day.

No. So do you think they're both playing the guessing game of who's going to drop? And that's maybe why things are being pushed back. No, I don't know. I mean, you know, Drake is the algorithm. He does what he wants to do when he wants to do. Both of them do whatever the fuck they want to do. Yeah. But I mean, I think Drake has more of a chokehold on the algorithm

than any other artists right now. I think more people aren't anticipating anything that Drake does or says. Good and bad. People that want to see his downfall and people that want to see. Yeah, I'm just saying. You are correct. Yes. He controls that.

But I think Cole, people want to hear from him. Cole is still very much in that algorithm based off everything that's been going on. Cole is still. He's not talked about constantly because he's not so forward facing as Drake has been, especially in the last two years. So I still think Cole kind of moves. They both move whenever the fuck they want,

unless Taylor Swift is dropping. I think the only other way that would dictate their release schedule would be the two of them with each other of when falloff is coming and when Iceman is coming. Though I don't think like it matters. I feel like both could drop the same day and it would be fun. For who? Both of them. I think you'd give very similar sales. You think if Drake and Jay Cole dropped the same day, so who do you think has one?

You know Cole has outsold Drake a year before, right? I understand it. But who do you think has the number, going into this album, who do you think has the number one album that week if they dropped the same day? I don't know. I don't know based off the directions they're taking in the album, where if Cole goes for a more for your eyes only style type of album and Drake goes for a more, I don't know, views style,

I'm taking Drake there. But I think you underestimate the Cole Stan fan base and I don't want to say streaming for him because that implies bots, but I'm saying how dedicated and loyal his fan bases and the numbers that Cole does. I think it's neck and neck. It's been neck and neck before.

Neither, Drake has never completely outsold coal like by a mile. They've been very similar with numbers. So they went that Cole's outsold Drake before. They dropped on the same day before? No. I'm saying same year. Does that count for something?

No, I mean, I think both of them are obviously, you know, Forest Hills was the highest selling a rap album without you, right? I'm not, I don't remember. I couldn't tell you. I believe that broke a bunch of fucking numbers. No, Josh, not Forest Hills, Queens. All you had to type in was Jay Cole.

It's literally all you needed to type. He types in Forest Hills, New York. What the fuck is going on, right? Yeah, Zillow came up for sales and Forest Hills. Yeah, I think it's, is closer than we're going to anticipate. I think Cole Kendrick and Drake for the most part.

I mean, Drake's had more of an output. So totality because he's had way more projects. Of course, he's outsold both of them in that regard. But if you're going for album in the years that they both drop, you make a very good point. It's been very close. But I can promise you that Jay Cole doesn't want to drop the same day as Drake. Oh, I don't think he does either.

Yeah. But if they're both looking at first quarter, like, shit, it's already mid-January. It could end up that they're a few weeks apart, for sure. Oh, maybe. If you're Drake or Cole, do you want to drop first or second? In this coin toss, are you waiting? Which one am I? Either one of them.

Would you want to drop first? If I'm Cole, I want to drop first. Get it out the way. His most anticipated album, get it out of the way? No, I'm just saying, get it out. This might be Drake's most anticipated album. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.

And we've been with, we were you supposed to get this cold album how many years ago? I would rather Drake drop first if I'm cold just to get all of the Kendrick Drake Drake internet. Is he replying here? Just let that clear out for two, three weeks. And then people actually start listening to Ice Man for the music it is, not for what the subliminal message means. Wait, you said if you're cold, you want Drake to drop first?

Yeah, get the whole Drake Kendrick thing. When Dr. Drop. Just get the Iceman shit. That's not going away. For sure. But I'd rather, I'd rather that not take over when my album's only a week or too old. Like, now we're just, this is just going to start now. It's so much, it's a lot of pressure on cold with this album, though.

A lot of pressure on Drake, too. Yeah. But I think we've seen, obviously, who handles pressure better. We've seen it. Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, you know.

Drake has definitely made some moves under pressure that look. like panic, but I'm not saying they are. But yes, in the scope of things, Cole bowed out immediately where he didn't even have the chance to make those types of decisions. Couldn't sleep. Couldn't sleep. It had been like a day.

Yeah, I'm going three days without sleeping. But no, I'm excited. I was hoping you were correct about that. But yeah, I liked Rob Markman's suggestion of finding podcasters. All right. So what about when I'm right? You're going to pay me more? Yeah.

Rob? Yeah. Fuck what we told about. Rob is, you want to penalize me for being wrong, but then when I'm right. The Jimmy Hoffer of the podcast union.

But then when I'm right, he's the one that's going to decide. When I'm right, then it's just right. Yeah, it's like, you know, if you hit your touchdown, catch bonus,

like yeah, it's the same thing. Get the fuck. Okay, then I need a bonus for getting Merrill right for Hot 97. Congrats to our brother, Merrow morning show,

hot 97 and yesterday. You never announced that. You never announced that. You never announced that. You never said Merrill. You never said Merrill's name out of your mouth. but somebody that has a cult

file. All of this shit, you said, somebody from New York. That's sucker shit? No, I didn't say suck a shit. I said whatever else you said. Okay.

You said that, right? But you never said Merrill's name. I alluded the way you alluded to just conclude for it to really be cold. When the clip went viral on Twitter, all the comments under based off, because I wasn't going to say Merrill's name out of respect for him,

even though he saw the clip and laughed and didn't give fuck. Yeah. I gave his many clues where it could obviously either land on Deezer or Merrill. so yeah and then they said this podcast has no fucking credibility when they announced that like Atlanta digital team and I was like no credibility yeah I'm a piece of shit I should die yeah no credibility at all zero uh but yeah congrats to Merrill I think like I said Merrill congrats man month ago I think it's a great fit for where hot is at right now and a Bronx legend absolutely

another Bronx legend another Bronx legend I hope they give him as much creative freedom as possible you know, to turn around the Hot 97 train because, you know, we've been critical of hot, but that still is a logo and company that has been part of our lives forever. And we love Hot 97. We only want the best for you. That's why we critique. And I think, I think Merrill makes the most sense. Yeah. Shout out to Merrill, man. Good job. Yeah. We should go up there. Let's do it. Go kick it with Merrill. 6 a.m. Let's do it. I just can't go to sleep the night before. We'll just stay here. I got to stay up all night and they just go there. You know what I mean? like no sleep but let's do it um how do we think merrill's gonna like what do we think his his blueprint

for this this will be do you think it'll be the traditional what ebro rosenberg laura charlemagne ye envy like all right we'll just do our commercial break shit and then our focus will really just be the the digital interviews do you think meryl would just do that do we think he'll get in some of his sketch bag do you think they'll focus more on radio clips rather than long form interviews like, I mean, Merrill was great on Deas and Merrill as far as interviews went with everyone. But I'm curious to see the two hours sit down interview one-on-one with Merrill and an artist. I just don't know if he's going to take that route. He does great with Mello and Kaz in that regard, too.

Yeah. But I don't have the answer to it. This is me more complaining without a solution. Radio just needs a revamp or something. Yeah. Like it can't, what Breakfast Club did to kind of revamp radio, they need a new. one of those and I don't know if it's the same blueprint of what breakfast club. Breakfast Club did what was perfect for that time.

Radio needed to go digital and Charlemagne smoked that shit and completely changed radio forever. I think they needs another one of those. Like, give us a reason to turn on the radio. Yeah, I think it'll be a different version of what we've already gotten with morning radio. Yeah. Because right now it's a YouTube page. Yeah. Right now the way Ebro and them brought it, which is fine.

Their interviews were great. It was just another, it's another podcast YouTube page. That's all it really is at the end of the day. So I don't know if that's going to be a solution. Hopefully, I mean, I don't know, you know, I know radio in these program directors. I hope they give Merrill more freedom with breaking artists, though. Hell yeah, yeah. Especially New York artists.

I think we need to get at least back to that in some way. Yeah. You know, radio now, you can be on your morning commute to work or school or whatever. And as soon as you turn the radio back on after your days over, it's the same song that you probably left off of. It's crazy. Like we need to get more, you know, new artists, new music on the radio. So hopefully Merrill kind of has some say in that.

I know, you know, program directors gets a little, little iffy in that in that regard. But hopefully we get to that, man, with the morning show. Yeah, I hope they focus. I hope Merrill's able to stream six to 10. I hope they're not so much in that old corporate bag where it's like we have to be on this radio frequency and on this YouTube page.

and if he puts this on Twitch, then it's over because corporate would lose their mind. It all has to be under this umbrella. Like, I hope not just discovery with music, because clearly we've seen, like people like Kai, there's young content creators in New York that do other things besides music. As much as I want music discovery,

a lot of the younger kids are more interested in content discovery. So I hope Meryl can at least focus on local streamers and shit and get them involved. Because I think even like what Black Boy Max does, I think music discovery has gotten better on streaming that it has on any other platform.

Oh, for sure. Like, yeah, radio is tough to break music because you have the gatekeepers, this and that. Streamers have been putting on a bunch of new artists that I love. And then those artists become streamers because they're like, well, this is where my audience is at. Yeah.

So yeah, I hope Merrill just is able to fuck with the younger kids and that. Like, doesn't always have to be some kid that could freestyle well from Flatbush. Like, let's, you know, diversify with the content. And maybe not just music can help turn that entire thing away to get us to eventually focus on music. Make more the show's great again.

Yeah. Is that MAGA? It's close, I guess. It's like Mero. Miga. Miga. Mga. Yeah, Mga.

I like Mga. Make morning the show's great again. Who do you think his first guest will be? Deezeth. I can promise you that won't be the first guest. I don't know. man, I don't know who's first guest would be.

I don't even know if it would be a music guest. AOC? Maybe Tiana. I was right about that. Congrats Tiana Taylor. Yeah, take that Rob, Markman. Yeah, Rob, you're going to find me for that one. I told you funky motherfuckers

that Tiana Taylor was going to win best supporting actress for her role in one battle after another. And God damn it, Harlem did it. Shout out to Tiana Taylor. We love you. We're proud of you. And I'm just happy that Tiana is

getting all of her just do, man, because she's incredibly talented. So it was beautiful to see Hikes received the Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actress last night. Yeah, no, it was good. I mean, I watched her speech. I watched monologue. Why my blanket on the comedian? Blonde. She's hilarious.

Nikki Glazer. Nikki Glazer. She was very funny. Watched her opening thing. I'm glad she wasn't as PC as people have been in the past. So nice to see all these people that were redacted from a certain list. The award Golden Globe for the best editor goes to the DOJ. I thought that was that was hilarious.

But it was cool. You know, she made she made a good point in a very funny bit with Leo. She made another joke about him dating young girls. And she was like, I know that seems cheap Leo. We know nothing about you. Yeah. I could find one interview from 1991 that says your favorite food is pasta. Yeah.

Nothing's changed. Nothing has changed. I don't know. anything about Leo. I love that. I know the pussy patrol. I know he fucked with David Blaine and was terrorizing the streets in New York, but I know nothing besides that. That's great. That's when you've won. When you could be that big in Hollywood and people know nothing about you. She said, you accomplished so much before your girlfriend turned 30. All before the age of 30. She's right. And shout out to Manhattan Plaza Warrior, Timothy Shalame. Timothy Shalamee, best, was it

best actor? Yes. Best actor, Marty Supreme. Which is crazy because that came out like yesterday. It came out like right before Christmas. How did they have time to vote? I don't know, man. Listen, man. But it was a really good movie, though I enjoyed it. I did feel like he was going to win some awards for that.

And you could see them kind of setting Timothy up to be the next. I think that's been going on for a few years, which I fully, fully support because he's all grown. But no, shout out to Timothy. And she made, she said he's the only actor that had to gain weight to play ping pong. He works so hard to gain 60 ounces But shout out Timothy And everyone that won and all that shit With that said, we are back

Sponsored by Boost Demaris is still going through Some health stuff But she is doing much better She's okay She misses you guys But yeah probably be another week Still a little bedridden

Give better baby D I called our FaceTime to and Texas She ain't respond, answer It's all right I got a trick for her when she gets back I'm not going to tell you what it is yet Listen There's been three or four times

I'm like yo I pull up now I get you some groceries this and that Then she was complaining about Man it sucks just laying down this and that So I concoctured this whole plan It's surprise her and shit I even texted Pige It's like yo let's let's go over there

Surpriser Nah I don't come through So I say why Nah just it's not the right time When is the right time to visit somebody If there's you know Home recovering You're good at that at Girl Math.

Oh, okay. She had company. I don't know. Oh. I have no idea. But all of a sudden. You have ideas. Somebody that hasn't been in a frantic text mode,

been talking to her nonstop every day all day. All of a sudden, like, you know, when messages just get a little quicker, like, nah, no, not right now, not right now. Now's not a good time. It's not a good time. I was like, I'm leaving Queens right. I could be there in 15.

Yeah, nah, no. And then I was like, you know, I'll link peas, maybe get a drink, kill some time. Not for the whole night. I'm probably just going to go to sleep. Yeah, I'm probably just going to be. But it's like 6 o'clock. You know, the meds.

It's always the meds. You know that. It's the meds. The meds and beds. That's all it is. But, uh, get better, baby, you know. Prayers, prayers to her. And, um, she is getting better.

It's just, you know, we'll let her tell her health journey. Yeah. But, uh, I felt like we jenched it. Because we, the last episode, we were like, you know, nothing crazy has happened. Something always crazy happens to this podcast at the end of the year. And we're like, Dan, we made it this year. What happened? Tamaris had emergency surgery, like the second day of, oh, yeah, yeah. That was yeah. We can never just get out of like, like,

yeah, but that's not, we weren't thinking anything like that. So no. Like, that's like, you know, me, maybe. No, but we are down a cast member. Yeah, yeah. Every year. But she will be returning, thank God. Yes, yes. Um, how was your weekend though? It was cool, man. Just, just, just chilled. Didn't do too much. Uh, went so my homeboy went to his store, kicked through him for a minute, did a little shopping, but nothing crazy. Nothing not ordinary. I just chose shit. Yeah, I was about the same.

I was about the same. I watched, once the last time you watched D-2, The Mighty Ducks, the second when they're Team USA. It's been years. The last time I watched that, it probably was like Blu-ray or something like that. Yeah, I feel like I've seen the first one within the last five years, but D-2, I don't think I've seen since the 90s. So I'm just re-watching all my old favorite kid movies, try to get Amara into them.

Like we ran through Toy Store already. I was like, let me see non-animation sports, see if Amar's intuitive, too young. So we watched the first one. It was cool. I was like, let's watch D2. I did not remember that in the first round of the Junior Olympics, Team USA goes against Trinidad and Tobago's hockey team. Was it a tight one? Have they ever seen ice and Trinidad and Tobago?

Can you please Google, Trinidad and Tobago? Mighty Ducks, Moe, you're aware of the colors of Trinidad and Tobago? Yes. Instead of using the colors of the Trinidad and Tobago flag, they just threw tie-dye on them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is fucking hilarious. Nothing about their colors has anything to do with that. No.

It's like a Jerry Garcia hippie movie. And none of those kids are from Trinidad and Tobago. Those kids are from Queens. Maybe Brooklyn. And then in the stands, they put a bunch of guys in T-shirts with steel drums. I was like, I do not. This is the most racist shit. I do not remember that.

Scroll up. That's their fan base. They're just at the top. In more tie-dye, mind you. Nothing about Chinat has to do a tie-dye. You can never have too much tie-dye. You know that. Not even at carnival do they have tie-dye.

Not at all. Well, maybe because juvei, they throw pain on you. So maybe they was going for the juvei look, maybe. Do you think the Mighty Ducks producers were that tapped into the country? I think they were going to some subtle. They may have been going for the juvei-look, you know what I mean? Still paying right there. know what I'm saying like you know give it a little culture in the Disney movie that's all yeah

I don't I do not remember that that's hilarious and then if you didn't think they could top which I'll they should sell that kith should put this out yeah you put kith on that right there that sells out in 10 minutes for sure absolutely then you know after they squeak by trinidad in the first round it was a close one it was how quick how close was d2 to cool runnings was this maybe that year that they were just like we got to try shit yeah no That was a few years apart. Cool runners, I feel like was early 90s. D2 was what, like 98, 99, something like that.

94. Okay, so then cool runners might have been 92, 93, oh, so the year after, yeah. So they do what Hollywood does. When you see something work, rinse and repeat. Charlie and the Ducks. Yeah. All right, they did Jamaica. Field the rhythm.

Let's go a little more. Fieldy rhyme. Let's get ready. It's bobsled time. Cool running. Now, Cool Runners is a classic, though. Of course it is. Cool runners is a fucking classic.

Like, they really could have got Jamaican actors. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, at that time, you know, they was trying to find. Malik Yoba was like the quintessential, you know, West Indian correspondent. So, yeah, after they squeak by the alternate jersey, Trinidad and Tobago Squad. It was a close one. Big upset with that one. They need a little toughening up.

So there's a gentleman. that's in the stands that is, you know, just an avid hockey fan harassing Team USA. Only the black kids, may I add. Keenan Thompson is heckling and for some reason only the black kids on the team start fighting. And because they barely, you know, got by Trinidad, coach Bombay thought it would be cool if they went to the hood of South Central to get a little toughening up from Keenan and the boys. And of course, Charlie and the crew are met with open arms in the rolling sense.

Of course, absolutely. And then they had assembled this team with the ducks and all the greatest players in the entire country from the rodeo guy, the male Michelle Kwan, whole crew. Yeah. Then they come back from the rolling 60s, jumped in, cripped up with Keenan Thompson and tell the country of the United States. Yo, it's our homeboy from the hood. He on the team now. And they just take them on. Get on the bus kid from South Central we've never met.

My name's Coach Bombay. Is this, was Jesse in this one too? No. It was the first one? He didn't, he didn't make TMUSA. Okay. He had, he had other veterans. He had other plans.

He had other plans going on. He was becoming an R&B singer in Chicago. Yeah, yeah. Classic movie though. Oh no. D2 is a classic movie. It's incredible. It's just, listen, man.

The right is, that's seen itself. The writing is so crazy sometimes in these movies. And then the one, the one black kid that was like left behind. Like he gave his blessings to Keenan to go with the squad. But you could tell that was really his dream. Yeah. It was too old. Yeah.

And then as they're right. running through South Central, he's behind the fences. Go, USA, go. That's how it always happened. That's how it was always happens. His mother didn't sign the consent form. Was it the consent form? Consent form, yes.

To be represented by the United States. How many gangsters do you think were birthed from their parent not signing a consent form? Like how many gangsters' villain origin is that? Their mom didn't sign the consent form to go on a school trip to Six Flags. I'm pretty sure that a lot of gangsters in the, New York City was birthed in that moment. Well, I lost my virginity that way. On the school trip?

Yeah, my mom was out of town, so I couldn't get the consent for him. So I forged it to go to Bronx Zoo. Oh, and that's where, yeah. Yes, so you got your first piece. Look at mom. Mom don't even know it. Does she know that? You ever told her that story?

No. Okay. I haven't, I've like, I don't have that relationship with my mom. To talk about your first time having sex? It's like sex, period. Okay. So your mom thought you was a virgin until you had tomorrow? No, I don't think that.

But even like, even telling her Kia was, was pregnant kind of like made me like, ugh. Now my mom's, telling your mom, she's about to be a grandma made you like, because we just never, like, we just didn't have that relationship where we would talk about those types of things. So it's like, and then like, I don't know, like, yeah, mom, Kiev's like, like, yeah, we'd be having sex issues. You know, we lived together, like. Yeah, with parents, I mean, some of my mom's friends, I would talk. talk to about that type of stuff. And like, I don't, I didn't have that relationship, not with all adults, but just with my mom

specifically. Like, that's odd. And then like, like, Kia's mom, I felt weird the first time like, damn, she just knows, like. Mm-hmm. Just, you got me in their plan. Just be going. Making your belly button to kiss.

Like, we make our belly buttons kiss at night. When was the first time you, well, you've been in one long-term relationship. Did you sleep over her family's house ever? Yeah. Did you guys sleep in the same bed? Mm-hmm. What was that like? It was it.

I mean, for me, it was a, you know, but it was, it was also kind of like, you know, the parents were so cool where it was like, you know what I mean? It wasn't tripping about nothing. It was a very, in the first thought of it, I was kind of like, all right, so I got to wear like actual pajamas. You know what I'm saying? You got to get your real pajamas. And then I'm like, you got to sleep in your pajamas type of thing.

But it wasn't, it wasn't as awkward as I thought it would be, though. Yeah. Even, like, when I was engaged, even when I would stay there, I would sleep on, like, the basement couch. You had to be married in that house. Not my house. Hell, nah. Sleep on the couch? And then it wasn't until I was engaged that my, knowingly, a woman slept in my bed at my mom's self.

Wow. Yeah, nah. And my mom, like, yeah, she's hardcore Catholic, but not like that. But it still was, like, I don't know. It's awkward. It's awkward. Yeah. It is an awkward.

It's still an awkward. I know what you mean, but when the family is so cool and understanding where it kind of like knocks the edge off of that, you know what I mean? That's what my experience was. The family was like super cool.

Yeah. Did you fuck in the marriage house? No, no, no, no. Okay. Because that's like. Yeah, no, that's next level crazy. I'm not doing that. I understand eventually

my daughter is going to become a woman and be in a relationship. I'm not that naive. But don't be fucking in my house. Like, at least have that. No, at least have that respect for me, no matter how old you get. Like, just don't fuck in my, knowingly. Right.

Because I fucked in my mom's house not knowingly all the time. Yeah. And I'm not naive to think that my kids won't be any different than me as far as teenage exploring those. Just don't let me know. Nah, to see, I'm like knowingly, nah. I got to take that back. We definitely did have sex in her parents' house. But the mom used to go to work and her father used to go to work, right?

So, like, we thought they were both gone. I was in there going crazy one morning. I'm talking about, like, though we was in there by herself, going crazy. She'd go in the shower. I go to the kitchen. Pops is in the bed just laying there watching TV. I'm like, y'all go back and I'm like, yo, your dad is in the room. And I know he heard us because it was one of those sessions where you think you got the house to yourself.

Yeah, relaxed everything here. Oh, my God. Crazy. Not a care in the world. 9 a.m. crazy. Morning you know how I go. Thinking we had the house toss out. Yeah. Pops was laying right in the bed watching like the prices right or some shit like that.

I'm like, he definitely heard us in there. Yeah. That has happened one time with a sister that she was living with and thought we had the whole shit. I walked out, butt ass. Oh, shit. Close the door. I owe your sister's out there. But I had to piss from my clothes back on.

And I was cool with her sister. It's not like my first time. I was just like, when I walked back, I have to use the bathroom. She was in the living room. I said, there's nothing I can say

that's going to change this. Let's just pretend it never happen. There's nothing. Yeah, we can't take that moment back. Yeah, it happened. It is what it is.

Let's not make it any more awkward. At all. Yeah, yeah. But you having to be like engaged before you can even sleep in the same bed. It's crazy.

I mean, that was out of respect. to her, like, the values of her... No, I get it. I get it. Foreign parents. Like, they don't play that... Yeah. They was married at 17 in the village, like,

lineages of this is... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, so, you know, you got to... I mean, granted, I was staying there so much that, you know, we were in the basement. She had a... You know, like, in Queens basement. They're, like, finished...

That's an apartment. Yeah. So I would sleep on the couch. She was sleeping. And then, you know, at midnight, I'm going in there. My alarm is set for five. Yeah, you got to go back to the kid. It's so crazy that you got to live.

That's a real way to, like, be in a relationship. When I was in college, I guess I wouldn't call a college girlfriend, but somebody I was seriously talking to, summertime, I went out to her crib in like West Bubble Fuck, New Jersey. And I was planning on leaving. Also had super, super, super religious parents. I fell asleep in her bed. It wasn't our intention. And we weren't fucking at that time either.

I fell asleep. Her father walked in that shit. I have never seen a Jamaican man restrain himself from choking the fucking life out. He started having to pray to himself to calm down. Like he went in the corner and he was speaking in tongues to calm himself to fuck down. I thought I was going to die in that fucking room.

Damn. That's serious? I mean, he didn't play that shit. Yeah, I guess. Come on, man. It ain't that deep. Overly religious. No, I get it.

I understand. Anyways, D2 is in Mighty Ducks. Classic movie. Out now. Yeah. Have you watched D3? No. When they get to private school scholarship?

No, I didn't watch that. No, you got to revisit that one. Yeah. But ironically, some real mighty duck shit happened this week, too. Did you see the fight between like the pee-wee hockey kids over the weekend? Start from the beginning. This is the biggest Royal Rumble of all time. Yes, 100% real.

You know, like at football games, like at halftime, they'll bring out like the Pop Warner League. They do that at hockey games too. So it's like the peeve of wherever. this is at. Do full-blown bra. No, getting like legit punches in. Wait, is this a league or just like this the kids at half time? It's half time.

This is just kids at halftime of an NHL game? Yes. Going away. Now, they're starting to beat up their own teammate. They're swinging at anybody. You ever been in a party and a dark fight and you end up hitting your homeboy by accident? That's what happened here. This is crazy.

Wait till the goalie comes from across. No, no, no. There's another goalie. That's goalie number one. Goalie number two comes in with a flying fucking knee and ends the old fight. That's crazy. And how long is this, Josh?

This is the shorter version that's 58 seconds. Not a parent, not a ref. It's an arena full of adults. I mean, well, this is hockey, right? That's the culture of hockey. You got to fight. Not even the NFL. I mean, the NHL allows this for adults.

You're like, once you fall in it. And now you're hitting your own teammates. Yeah, and the NHL, once you hit the floor, that's hit, the fight is over once somebody drops. My man, at the bottom left, just gave up. No, I got to give it to these kids. I like it though, man. Yeah, I like that.

I like to see that in sports with kids, man. Show a little toughness. No kid is out there crying. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, we got to throw hands a little bit. I like that. Protective gear on. Yeah, you got to clap for that.

That's part of the game. It's part of the sport, man. There's a couple kids on the white team that you see Skate Away. I hope they review this footage. Yeah, like, you know, where you was at? When you was at when the niggas was home. Like, when he had the footage, man. Yeah, where he was at, man, man.

I respect homie right there. He came and helped his man up. But wait till the blue goal he comes. He throws Josh at the shorter. No, but in all, all seriousness, where the refs at? I see a mascot. That goalie just went nuts. No, this goes on.

You know how long a three-minute fight is? Yeah, no, that's, but yeah, that's some weird of refs. The rest didn't stop it? The coaches, nobody? That's what I'm saying. Okay. All right, fuck you. Where was the, the guys on the steel drums?

Nobody came out The still pan section Which I was doing It would be fun to do Like the way they do Beer Leagues for softball and all that I would like a Like a hockey one

Not like super contact But I think it would be fun Good luck with that Not too serious Hockey? Yeah Nah Nobody want to see that shit

If you don't know how to skate And really play hockey Don't go out there I can skate Yeah but skating and playing hockey I know But like I'm saying like a beer league the way they do softball for like you're just there to knock out an hour and get

the blood flowing and then you go to the bar after with your friends like that type would yeah that's peach type of shit i get it that'd be fun yeah roller hockey did you ever play roller hockey no never played hockey a day in my life no not like an ice game i can't no we didn't that didn't play a little pawn hockey no that didn't reach fordum university that didn't reach cresson that didn't reach creston well what's that right there it doesn't look like the most powerful iPhone that's ever existed this old thing that is not the all-new iPhone 17 Pro designing those powerful iPhone of all time. But I know why you haven't gotten it is because of traffic and the store and transferring data.

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A lot of my friends called me over the weekend. A lot of mine, too. A lot of people hit me. Call your friends. I call my friends. And we can debate rap every weekend. Yeah, we can debate this rap shit now. Let's do it.

It felt like last year all over again for some reason. Like, yo, I'm all really believe this. I'm like, guys, I don't know. Call them. You want us number? Here it is. Yeah, man, call me, man. I'm always willing to talk.

A lot of people hit me about your Andre 3000 take that when, uh, viral. What's the number to be called viral at this point? Who knows? A lot of people were adding it, I guess. Yeah. Which is kind of funny because I think this goes back to our Drake-Kendrick post-battle new rat fan situation. because while I don't agree with your take

with Andre 3000 and we debated it, that's not a crazy take. You're not the first person to say that. That's not the wildest. That has been a take for 20 years. I never asked you this. Do you have him in your top five? No.

Okay. Maybe my top 10. Yeah, maybe my top 10. He's not my top. Do you know how small five is? Let's just have the conversation. Again, while I disagree with you, I think a lot of people that were replying to you

don't have him in their top five. Let's just have. I'm here to have the conversation. I've seen people killing me. And to reiterate, because I hate, we used to blame Pige, but now I can't even blame Pige. Because Pige gets the full points in there.

I just think now I need to blame Trey. Because I don't even know if people are watching the clips or just reading the caption. The caption. And they know if they comment to go against it, they'll get their traction. And the waterfall of Elon Musk just continues. Yeah.

But I don't think it's a crazy take to say, three stacks is not in my top five. because he does not have a solo rap project for everyone. My God. I was losing brain cells watching people try to tell us that the love below is a solo rap album. Like, lose it. And they were saying it with, I mean, it's Twitter, so you can't really tell their tone. But I can read like smug, arrogant shit on Twitter, how they come across.

Just the smugness of like, well, the love below is a solo rap album. Where? And I thought, I thought I was being. What rap song on that entire 22 track Outcast album? I thought that I was being very fair and saying that 3000 is definitely a legend. He's one of the greatest rappers, one of my favorite rappers of all time. I just could not no longer have them. And my personal, personal is the keyword.

Your personal top five needs to be everyone else's top five. But it's just, I've had, listen, I've had these conversations with so many people, whether there's other artists, whether it's just people from different parts of the country, you would be amazed. Well, you actually notice, but so many people from Atlanta, like the city of Atlanta do not have $3,000 in their top five.

More people from Atlanta today, you would hear them say Future, you would hear them say Little Baby, you would hear them say thug, you would hear them say Gucci. Because I've had this conversation, and I'm like, y'all don't listen to. They like, we don't listen to 3000 like.

We don't listen to 3000 like. He's not as revered in Atlanta as people from other states or cities view. And I'm like, really? I've literally had you were there for someone. I've had these conversations. And I'm like, yo, y'all are crazy. Like, I can see his influence in a bunch of these artists from Atlanta. Hell yeah.

So he's influencing thug. So from people to take what I said and feel like, you know, I'm discrediting, Andre, or I'm not qualified to say what I'm saying. I didn't know I had to be qualified to have a personal. favorite top five rappers of all time. And I challenge anybody that feels like I'm wrong with saying that, show me Andre 3000's juicy. Show me his one mic. Show me his, you know, all of the his his his his, his, uh, lose yourself. He has those records, but they're no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about solo rap classic songs. I'm talking about the, the ones are undeniable rap, classic,

solo songs. He has classic verses, has amazing songs with other artists, outcast, where they'd be dungeon family, whoever. A hundred three thousand is a goat. We'll never take that away. I'm just saying I can't have them in my personal top five because when you think about it, it's like, where is the solo classic? And it's not there. Not saying he doesn't have classic verses. Not saying he's not on classic songs. Not saying he doesn't have classic albums. I'm talking I'm all solo by himself. Where are they? And this is where we differ.

Post that debate and just seeing all the controversy you cause. Where we differ on that is that's not as important to me as it is to you. What's not as important? That there isn't the solo album there. His output of verses gives me enough as a rap fan to put him in a top 10 personally for me. or top 15 he's one of the best we're not taking that away from him

that's not a huge like check for me based off for other artists sure but other artists don't have the output that 3,000 had with four back to back classic rap albums without cast so that's where I just don't

there are some artists that yeah you would need some more based off your output even with your skill level to be there if you're in a group I agree this three sacks to me just has done enough for me to feel that way. I'll ask you this. If Biggie, God rest of soul, was just a part of Junior Mafia his entire career. Would anybody have him top five? Did we only get my, like, well, I'm going to ask you the question again. Is Junior Mafia putting out a Quemini?

I'm going to, yes, they did. Yes. And Big is rapping three stacks version. Yes. I'm, I would say, wow, this guy's incredible. Would you have them top five? Maybe. You don't have 3,000 top five. I mean, I don't know what the counterpoint. I mean, I think, I think big boys a little better than C's. So I don't know how that would work. Would you have, if Jay-Z was in a group his entire career, do you think many people? I don't know how to answer that hypothetical.

But why not? Because it, what does that mean? Because we're talking about an incredible rapper, incredible artist, so you're saying if Jay-Z's 13 projects were the way they were, but also there was another verse on every song that was another rapper?

No, there's no solo album. I know I'm saying. saying, Jay Z's in a duo and we have the same catalog with the same Jay Z verses, but now there's just an extra verse from his rap. Will you have them as top five? Yes, because everything that he said in all those verses, all those songs is fucking incredible. I don't care if you add an extra verse to it. I don't believe you. If, if, uh, sauce money, it's not like a slater. I don't believe you. Sauce is an incredible rapper. I don't believe you. But if if reasonable doubt, volume one, everything is exactly the same. I don't believe you. Same songs, same verses from home and everything.

But you're adding a sauce money verse to every. single song. I don't believe you. I'm sorry. Jay Z is still a goat to me. That's not what I'm saying. He's in a group. 3,000 is still a goat. It's sauce money and Jay Z. Would you have him in your top five? It's the Marcy Maven's. Would you have him in your top five? Yes. No, you would not. Everything's the same. You would not. Can't Knock the Hustle is the same versus we just add a sauce money one at the end. Bro, listen. Beyonce is Beyonce is if she never leaves Destiny Shop? Is she Queen Bee? That's such a hard argument. No, it's not. She was part of a group. Then she went solo and became who she is.

Okay. So she's now revered as the greatest of all time. Is Destiny's Child going to continue to make more albums instead of being solo? Like, or are you just saying I only get this Destiny's Child album to make that case and then Beyonce retires? I'm saying you only get Destiny's Child's discography. But they would have kept making music had Beyonce not went solo. So I don't know.

Maybe. Okay. So you only get Beyonce. You only get Beyonce with Destiny's Child. is she still revered as the artist, the performer, the entertainer as she is? Um, no, because in those those Destiny Child days after they broke up with the five of them, the three of them, it was pretty fucking balanced.

Until you get Survivor, yes, Beyonce may have been the forward-facing star of the three, but they balanced out those records pretty fucking well. Michelle and Kelly, so it's tough because how, they were doing that group like I'm not dancing around question your question is just tough to answer because it's so it's so hypothetical okay listen if big if big doesn't die and puts out seven dog shit albums after life after death we're having a different biggie conversation but we can't have that because he passed away we're having a hypothetical that's unfair we're having a conversation of somebody being in a group extremely talented but not having if buser rhymes stays in leaders of new school

I don't look at him as the same bust. Of course not. Because I saw what happened. He became a great solo actor. Pige, I feel like you're on my side. It's okay. I just don't understand. Can someone maybe explain the question

a bit differently to me? I know. I explained it to you. You said what you said. If Drey doesn't lead out. I mean, if he never leaves him top five, if everything he's hypothetically...

Rory just doing, we're doing what Rory do just trying to be this. Like, you know exactly what I'm saying, bro. You would not have a... You're making up a hypothetical. Of course I'm making up a hypothetical. I know what you're saying,

I do do that a lot. I'm not doing that this time because I don't understand the question. Okay. If Biggie doesn't put out ready to die or life after death and he is just part of this Fulton crew of Little C's, Lil Kim, and Big, I don't know.

What the fuck? I don't know. That's the question. No. Don't, he's just doing this thing that he likes it. No. Don't worry about him. fucking he's just doing the shit that he likes to never leave a 190 second street i don't okay no they're

not the greatest i don't know hey listen my point still stands 3 000 is an incredible mc incredible rapper incredible artists he's all of those things i'm never i'm never trying to take that away from i mean i thought i was very clear and what i was saying i'm just saying in my personal top five you cannot be there if you don't have a solo album you don't have any solo work like it's it's unfair to Guys that, you know, have so many solo albums and have transcended fucking generations and decades. Like, I'm my shit. I probably should put LL there before on 13,000 if we're being honest.

First rap star transcended, what, three, four decades since the 80s? Oh, if you're putting together a top 10, not a personal, just a top 10, L.O. CoolJ is in the top 10 of the 50 years we've had with football. So that's what I'm saying. But we were talking about like favorites. But this is what I'm just saying. I'm just saying that it's not fair to other MCs, other artists, other rappers that have solo albums, solo albums, solo albums, and not have them near when it's like 3000 is incredible. But he's in a group.

I think what made the internet upset, which is, again, we're not going to take any accountability. We put it on page. We can't do that anymore. So now it's tri, for sure. I think the word overrated is what sent people off. Your point, I understand your point. I totally get it. we can debate the point.

It's not a point that other people haven't made either. I think everyone just reacted to the word overrated. Because there's no world where Andre 3000 is overrated.

Like, he's still one of the greatest rappers that's ever. If you have them in your top five, that's overrating them. Okay. I mean, that's subjective. To me.

To me. I don't know if I happen to my top five, that's overrated. You need solo albums as an MC. You need solo albums. It is what it is. Like, but that's not a knock on him. I'm not saying he can't do it

he just didn't do it for whatever reason that's his creative you know decision I'm just saying if I'm looking at all of the other rappers and emcees that are in my top 20 all of them have solo album yeah you can't be the only one that doesn't have a solo album and you're in top five like it's no no come on man

that's unfair you know 9th wonder has some very interesting things to say I'm not saying it was about me talk to night shout to my brother he just had some very expressive things that he wanted to get off his chest about the 3,000 take. And, you know, I read with Knife said, and I respect Ninth and I think he's incredibly talented.

So he's somebody who I would look at and listen to what they have to say and take some, you know, I would take something from that because I respect his opinion. But yeah, I mean, it's just my personal opinion. No disrespect to Andre. But like I said, you have this conversation in Atlanta. A lot of these, a lot of cats in Atlanta don't even revere Andre the same. So when people say, oh, your regional biases. I'm from New York City.

The fact that I would even have Andre 2,000 in that conversation means I'm not being biased. I don't think I saw. There's plenty of other New York emcees I could have put there in my top five just if I'm being biased. But the fact that I recognize with Outcast, because we're not going to just say, Andre, what Outcast did for the culture and the music that they gave us, especially somebody like me, that's why Andre was in that conversation. But it's not a regional bias. Like I'm not biased because I'm from New York and I just want to, I'm not.

knocking Andre. But again, you go to Atlanta. The disrespect that I've personally had conversations and the things that I've heard or the kind of like the knock that they give Andre in Atlanta. We're in the city that he's from. And I'm looking at the, I'm arguing for Andre in Atlanta. I can co-sign separate times when I'm not even been with you in studios. I've been the only person defending Andre 300,000. Yeah. So a bunch of kids that were born and raised in Atlanta. So it's not, I'm not being biased. Just personally, you don't have any solo. albums. So this was, I didn't see all in ninth's tweets.

He was suggesting that there was. Oh, yeah. Ninth. Nineth was saying we need to take the microphones away. Well, I don't think he was specifically saying that about it. Rosenberg said that I need to take a week off. I'm just like, God damn, for my personal top five? See, I mean, if that's, if I was being, if I was being biased, I could have had

Nikki in my top five. What's funny. But the top five part, when you sit and think about it, I think about it, I think, I think, I'd want to ask ninth and Pete is three stacks in their top five. And then name me your top five is five's a small, small, small number, man.

You know how many rappers have come through the culture? 50 years of hip hop. Yeah. Top five. I don't think it's disrespectful. Someone's like, yo, I got three stacks at 12. I wouldn't think that's a dis.

At all. It's not. So that's what I'm saying. I wasn't, and I think for the most, because again, I got a lot of phone calls and text messages

and DMs from some of your favorite rappers, artists, producers where they were agreeing with me. Yeah. They were saying, yo, you're right. You got to have that solo work. You have to. But it's not, they understood what I was saying. I'm not knocking his skill set.

That would be fucking crazy for me to knock 3,000 skill set. Like, he's a fucking a legend in every sense of the word. He's one of the most creative, you know, people we've had in our culture. But without that solo work, it's too many other artists that we can fight for. And they have plenty of solo albums. I wouldn't, I'd be lying if I said Regency bias does not exist. But I don't think it exists in a negative way whatsoever. Like, if I hear a rapper and I ask, yo, where they're from?

If they're from New York, am I going to be happy about that? And be like, yeah, of course. I probably like more New York rappers based off where I was from, grew up, listened to that type of music. I probably have more of an affinity for Kiss than maybe somebody in the Midwest or the South. I get that. That's in a positive light. I've never heard someone.

And then they said, oh, nah, they're from Chicago. And I went, I don't like them anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't make sense. That's never, yes, there is a bias. No matter what it, by proxy, wherever you grow up, you're probably going to like that music more because it's right there. You're going to be excited to champion the people that have the same experiences as you

and the same neighborhoods that you grew up in. You can identify with them more. Yes, that adds in a piece to it. But I've never heard. heard a rapper that I liked and they said, nah, he's from Gwinnett County. I'm like, ugh. Yeah, I would never. I hate this song now.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense. He can't be in the top 10. Yeah. And the thing about the top five is, we know, they say we were originally biased. There's really only two slots that, because I think, I think for the most part, most of us in the culture, guys like 9th, Pete, and, you know, guys that have, you know, been around or in music or created music. I think we all have Jay Bigginnoss. I think that's three that. I think I could safely say, I think ninth and peace eras, most of those guys, no matter where you are here.

For most of us, we have J. Biggin. All three of those gentlemen are from New York City. Yeah. So where does my regional bias come in if we all unanimously have three gentlemen in our top five? In the beginning, it was mostly, you know, till the early 90s when the West Coast came with dominance. It was New York for the most part. So that's what I'm saying. So why am I now being reasonably biased if we all collectively have, at least three guys in our top five

from the city I'm from. I'm not being biased. That's what we all have to choose from. If you're not being negative, what's wrong with that? Like, I have no idea what it's like to be from Atlanta and go buy a fucking Gucci mixtape in 05 off Cleveland. Like, I don't know what that's... It doesn't hit the same to me.

I don't know what that's like. Right, right. Does that mean that I discredit Gucci? No, I just don't have that experience. And I wouldn't look at someone who has that experience and be like, nah, it's trash. Yeah. Now, it wasn't there.

Yeah. We all kind of have some regional bias because, again, the way you live with the music, the way you grow up with the music, what it means personally to you, the timestamp of it or where it takes you back as far as being a kid in high school, like where you're from. Yeah, that's the music that you listen to growing up. So it has a different meaning to you. It holds a different amount of weight personally to you. And but to me, even like, Gucci's an example of that.

I think Three Stacks has. has surpassed any region. Yes. I think so. As three sacks is as Atlanta as you could come. I think so. South got something to say of A.T.L. We, that was the identity.

We've had this argument with people from Atlanta. He's so far surpassed Atlanta. But we've had this argument with people from Atlanta who don't feel that way about 3000. They don't, they don't feel the way I feel for 3000 and they're from the city he's from. So that's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, reading things like what Ninth is saying.

It's like, I understand it. I get it. But it's like there are people from the city that Andre is from that don't hold them to the regard that I hold them from. And I'm from New York. And again, I don't know if he was specifically talking about you or this podcast in general. He was talking about me, man. He said Andre D.000. Like, he was talking about me.

As your brother, I will reply on this pod's behalf of saying, regional bias. I'm from New York. In my top three, if not one of my personal favorite group. of all time is little brother from North Carolina. Yeah. Yeah. When I was 12 years old and 13, when I picked up one of the best producer's ever, the listening, I'm not sure the producer's name.

Right. What's his name again? I didn't go, uh, Durham? Yeah. I would never take this out of my headphones. I said, oh my God. He's from North Carolina. He's from North Carolina.

This is a great shit I've ever heard in my life. Yeah. There was no reason about slum village. I hate Detroit. What Knight says so, and this is his conclusion. And Knife, you know we're just fucking around right now. Of course, we love Knife. So in conclusion, I don't care what ranking anyone puts him.

Damn, you're talking to me. Andre Benjamin is one of the greatest ever to put pen to paper. I agree. The fact, I've seen people put their favorites on list even with a subpar album, discography. Nope, 3000 is a master of words, period. Oh, well, I don't agree. I don't disagree with one thing. Neither do I.

Neither do I. But there's nobody on my list whose discography is wack in my top five. I'll tell you that. Not in my top five. No. And okay. Nighth is correct about everything he said there. And again, I do think right here, we got to stop reasonable bias because if 3,000 was born

with a northern area comb and did a ton of mixtapes and verses, we aren't having this debate. Of course, exactly. If he had mixtapes and he had solo shit, yeah, you're right. That's my whole. point. You're right. If he did that, but not, if he didn't, if, if three stacks was born in New York, no, I actually think a lot of the genius of what three stacks is, is his Atlanta perspective. No matter where you put that beautiful mind, it's going to be amazing. Yeah. But that sound in Southern Playlists to Cadillac, like that, that's my, how much I love three stacks is based off the sonics that he created.

Like, it's the style. Yeah. And that's, and that's an Atlanta style. That's why I love. him is because he's from Atlanta. And when you get down, and this is a regional bias that a lot of people outside of New York hold to this myth of New York bias. Northern Area Code, go talk to a bunch of kids in Jersey, because they'll start to think, if I was born in Brooklyn, it'd be cool. People in D.C. If I was born, you just keep going down and down and down. It's no one's ever going to be happy. Northern, I'm sure the clips thought at the time like, damn, we was born. Well, I guess they were. But if we were from the Bronx. Bronx Legend.

They are. But that's what made the clips to clips is because they were from Virginia. So I don't agree with that if they were from a certain area code, they'd be revered more. I like what this gentleman had to say in response to night. We said, no, what does region have to do with people saying he needs a solo catalog? Y'all love screaming bias when up north folks don't agree. I like that. I like that.

Yeah, I'm just saying solo catalog, solo album. Even if it was just one. Even if he just gave us one solo album. I'm not saying he had to give us five, six albums. I'm just saying even if it's just something where we could say, okay, this is what 3,000 looks like on his own, away from Alcass. You know, he has verses, but again,

it's features on other people's songs. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just not solo. Yeah. Rap. Because he gave, because people was fighting for love below and all of that. And I'm just like, bro, that's not rap.

It's not. And I have to give some pushback, too, even though I'm on ninth side with this and agree with what he said and disagree with you. I still, if you look at Ninth's, Knight was already a young legend when he was with L.B. But him doing threats,

him doing girls for Destiny's Child, and then him going on to start his label, have his own artist, produce for other people. That made Ninth the legend outside of the group like Primo gangstar, raised groups of all time.

Would Primo be a legend just with Guru? For sure. But why Prime is, alien like is because he went out and did so much stuff as DJ Premiere. And I feel like producers go through that same thing. There's a lot of times we've seen producers that are like in the early days when it was producer MC group type thing. Like we gotta see what they do outside of just the group. That's a big thing with producers too. I think ninth is the legend he is based off little brother for sure. But it's everything ninth did outside of LB that made him who he is and why we revere him so

much. Right. Because he had the range to do shit elsewhere outside of just what he was doing in the LB bubble. So yeah, I would say the same thing for producers. And I hear what he's saying. He's three sacks is one of the greatest to ever put pen to paper. Like that goes well saying. But that's not even what the argument was. Show me exactly. Show me where that wasn't I didn't I didn't say all of that. Didn't take nothing away from just personally. Got to have solo albums, man. But love to 3000. I hope he didn't see that clip and think that out, you know, was disrespect. There's never that for me. Love $3,000. One of the greatest ever.

We just need solo 3000. Okay. Well, this is a good segue to get out of here because I know this did drag a bit. I had someone I consider a friend, ninth hit me about you over the weekend. And listen, ma'am, I'm always here to defend you. I see one of your friends just throwing me up on his Instagram and I don't know if I got the same protection. Oh. Here I have taking strays for you, catching strays from you.

catching strays from your people. I'm telling Rosenberg, nah, he ain't mean it like that. I'm telling knife like, nah, nah, hear out the argument. Here out the argument. You know,

I'll put y'all on the phone. How about you calling to the show? I'm like, nah, come on. I'm here defending my man's. Meanwhile, my man's man is just throwing me up

in the triple threat position. That was so nasty. I forgot about that picture. That was so hilarious to see it. And it was random as fuck. So, all right. For those, that is such a random post.

that is such a random post, bro. Like, what the fuck? That was, it's almost like, yo, is he hacked? Like, that is, that's how random that post is. I know, because then everyone was calling like, oh, did you say something? I was like, I don't think I've said anything positive, negative, anything really period that would be Drakeworthy,

like something that would even be on his radar. Yeah, nah. We laughed. We laughed about it. Here I am going against my guy ninth for you. You're just laughing it up. Now I see what DeMaris was talking about with all those laughing emojis. It was such a random post.

I was like, bro, what the fuck? I laughed at it. Like, what is this? Like, it was just a random, a random, random post. Like, just, you know, I don't know why. We laughed at it. And it was just like, he said, this is sick. Like, that was it.

Like, I don't, I have no story behind why he posted it. We laughed about it. It was just a random. I guess it popped up in his phone and memories or something. You know how that shit goes. I don't know. Memorings don't live like people. Yeah, you've seen that.

I was like, oh, yeah, I got to remind this dude of how crazy he looked in his picture. No, because there was another time that Drake sent a photo of me when I just got Bazely. Basley was about this big. And I was, I think I was somewhere in like Columbus Circle. Someone took a photo of me and Bayes. I'm wearing like a pink tie-dye to fade in the blue.

It was a nasty shirt. Yeah. And I'm holding up a puppy. Drake screenshot of that shit. Not at the time. Like a lot of time had passed. He held it. And sent it to somebody and said, this is your man's?

And I was like, he's had that photo for a while. Basley's about this big now. Yeah, yeah. Now, that was such a rant. And the zoom in is crazy. Yes, like, you could have even cropped it. My cousin Harley put me in a group chat with our other cousin Justin and both of their wives at midnight. And put that in there and said, do explain.

Yeah. That was so rant. I thought that was you. I thought you posted. I just, you know, sometimes you watch the stories. Oh, well, I posted some,

some more. I gave the streets some more of the photo shoot. Oh, okay, okay. No, I didn't post it and then he posted. That was just so,

I didn't, I had to look and see who posted it. I thought you posted that. Well, I'll give backstory to this because it is actually hilarious. I'd be forgetting there's so many like just new fans.

Because this, this was a thing eight years ago. Yeah. That, like, we all laughed about. So we were doing a photo shoot with Spotify. Mm-hmm.

And we'd shout our guy, Jay Silva. He hit me and said, I never thought this would be the photo of mine that Drake posted. So we had this photo shoot where we had an idea of color palettes and this and that. And then Spotify, without telling us, comes to the photo shoot, well, it was at their office, but shows up to the room we're in with Spotify basketball jerseys. Yeah. And some athletic gear and a Nerf ball and said,

why don't we do like a basketball theme? We said no. And as a joke, we put the shit on. And that's why I'm sitting in a bad triple threat position. Like, we were clowning Spotify and how bad the idea was. They never went out in the press release. We ended up just going up to the fucking roof and shooting an equally nasty photo shoot. But at least it wasn't this.

Yeah, no, we was having fun. We released these photos ourselves because they were so hilarious. We got the back. But yes, this was not a serious thing. This was to show Spotify that. that any of your creative ideas you can keep to your fucking self. Yeah, this was ridiculous.

But when they brought that little Nerf ball in, he was like, let's have fun. Fuck it. Let's have a good time. Fun time, but that was... Do you still have your Spotify journey? No. God, no.

I probably left it there that day. I never took that out of there. Yo, that was a nasty, nasty shoot. Good times, man. But that was just a random fucking post. I'll tell you that. Very random. Now I've got to know what other screenshots that.

Oh, man. Yeah. That was from 2018. Oh, man. I got one of you. From that shoot? Yeah. Now I had the du rag on or duie on?

Hold on. I'll even find it. I remember, see, Pete, I remember my nasty shit. I had the duke on. I had the duress on. Had the jersey on one arm. Like, I know. Nasty.

Nasty times. Yeah. The du rag. Disgusting. I assume you didn't bring that arm band. No. Damn. You think I have us.

You just had arm. Fam, no. Nasty times, man. I mean, what did they think? I don't know, man. We were just trying shit, bro. This was for like billboards and shit. Like, they was going to be like.

That is crazy. That looks like an athletic and agile man. That looked like a JD sports ad. That's definitely a K-Swiss ad for sure. Oh, my God. That's disgusting. Yeah, or like if Gap ever put out an athletic line, it would look like that. I don't know if you bowl in a basketball or what.

Like, I don't know what's happening right there. Yo, that was hilarious. I wonder if I still have that jersey. Oh, my God. It was also like six sizes too small. That's why I think you actually have your shit. Hang it off here. Yeah.

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but I think I come across with this specific artist as a hater, and we're not going to get into another full Bruno combo. But I'll wait for the album. I'll just put it that way. It wasn't really filling a single like that. I would dance to this at a bar, for sure. It's Bruno, so it's good. Yeah.

It's going to always be good. That's just the type of Odyssey is. It's never going to be bad. I didn't really like the sexy red joint. But if it come on in the spot, I do the J-meem. I start looking at the DJ. Like, all right, that got a nice little groove to it. I just hope Black Sam and Nipsey's family got royalties for that record.

That's all I'm saying. Which, this one he just put out? No, the one with sexy red. That's the last time that I checked. Mm-hmm. Um, yeah, here's the thing. I saw it. Most of the internet was, was giving him shit because they're saying he's been making the same music for the past 10 years. Cool. So have a lot of artists. I don't even know if this is in the same exact realm of everything Bruno's put out, but it has had the same, um, generic feel, I guess would be the way. The sound is different, but it's the same feel. So somebody said, he's been releasing the same song for the past 10 years. And Bruno replies, and you never been shit in your life. I like that though. I respect that Bruno. Listen, man, it is what it is. He's consistent.

Listen, Bruno is, you know how I feel like incredible artists. It's just like, again, I understand what this person is saying. It just feels like we've got this music before. We have heard this sound for so long already. So, you know, again, what does Bruno sound like? I still don't know how to answer that. Somebody said, what does Bruno Mars sound? I don't think I would know how to answer that.

It's this feel. It's not a sound. It's this feel. Okay. It was funny that Mary Jay just went, Well, it wasn't even viral, but she had a clip that was on the internet I saw this morning of her in the studio a while ago. I believe Puff was in there too. And they were going through a mix.

And she preferred the demo version to what they had just mixed. And they were trying to trick her to play her what she thought was the demo. And she was like, no, no, no, this is not my version. You took the grits out of it. Okay. I just might. Like, I don't know. I didn't even look to see who produced.

I just know. a producer I revered, D. Miles's been working on it. I know James involved. I feel like whoever touches Bruno's mixes takes the grits out of. Okay. Because he works with people that are the greatest and you hear everything else they do outside of Bruno. And again, this is perfect pop music. I don't want to still him across his hate. You can't hate on it. It's like, that's how annoyingly perfect it is. So let's see what the album entails. This was a very predictable single where I was hoping Bruno for this point in his career would finally take that that heel. Like this was the time, maybe almost like his weekend in the mask phase for a year.

Like even though the weekend has been accused of making very similar music for his whole career, once that happened, it still stayed in the pop weekend Sonic realm, but it changed a bit. I thought maybe with the time Bruno took off, we would get his, complete second half of his career shift. Like I'm no, I did all that. Let's do something completely unexpected. And it doesn't appear to be that way. I don't think we needed to wait for this.

I think Bruno can do this in his sleep. Bruno and the resources he has could knock this out in a weekend. Is this what we were waiting for? I thought with the time they were concocting the whole new Bruno sound for the second half of his career, Like, yes, I have been this caricature for fucking 15 years. It's time to be a heel. I'm turning.

This is going to be, you're either going to like it or not. I'm going to make the consumer like this new shit that I'm doing. All the pop stars eventually have tried to do it to some degree. Even Lady Gaga does this shit. Like, Bruno's never done that. So you're discrediting three stacks for the solo thing. I'm crediting someone who is a legend in their own right. Bruno Mar is a pop star legend.

You've made the same thing forever. you got to do something that pushes the sound forward not just makes the sound sound better because you're just taking a sound and making it more polished and you're great at it it's awesome I would dance at the bar to this it's great lyrics are cool melody's great it's Bruno yeah to be in that combo

you gotta do something you have to have some vision are you saying some vision are you saying you want Bruno to kind of take a risk Yes. Artistically? Yes. Okay. I think I feel the same way.

I want to hear Bruno do something completely out of pocket different that we wouldn't expect him to do. Like that's what I think I want from Bruno. We know he's an amazing musician, talented, great stage presence, great stage. He's a star. Bruno Mars is a fucking star. But I want to see him do something totally unexpected. I want to hear him sound a way we never thought we would hear him sound. I think I'm on that too.

Like, I want to hear that. His spot is solidified. Yeah. It's, it's done. You're a legend. You don't need to prove anything more to the pop charts of who you are as an entertainer. Your live shows are incredible. You did the fucking Super Bowl with Beyonce.

You are a legend. What type of music do you like? Whatever music you like. Like, what does Bruno listen to on his way to the gym? Whatever music you listen to on your wish, bitch. Wait, so Bruno's been on a first date with us, his entire career. Yeah, Bruno, what do you like?

Whatever you like. Okay, I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, whatever you like, I can do it. That's what I, that's what Bruno is. Whatever you want to hear, he can do it. I want to hear Bruno take it. Take the hats off of it.

Let's get the tempo moving. I'm going to do that. Yeah, we'll do that. Is that what you want? And that's what I'm saying. Like, when you see what we're saying about Bruno? I feel like if he does that, it's going to be fucking amazing. I feel like that's how talented.

He could take a risk on his music, on his sound, everything. And it's still going to be amazing. I think he pays attention to detail that closely. Like he's very maniacal with everything. I think Bruno does when my brother Hop said he saw DJ Quick do it. He never saw nobody else do. He said he came in the studio. He sat at the soundboard and he touched every knob.

I think Bruno does that. I think Bruno is that meticulous with his crap. Yeah. And I think that's probably, I'm glad you brought that up because that is why I think we give Bruno the shit that we give him on this podcast because we're not not talking about some plant that was just given, like, yeah. We know Bruno is a music nerd, extremely talented writer, singer, producer. Dancer.

Like, we know what Bruno's mind is capable. And I feel like he's selling himself short. Yeah. He's not offering his full genius to us, which is a selfish thing as a fan. But I just think he could push the envelope because he's one of them to me. It's just like, okay. Let's see what's on that. Let's see what's on the album.

I don't know. I get it. he might surprise us. He might have something on the hour where it's totally different. Because I'm, like,

all right, with Beyonce, you won't break my soul of Renaissance. Like the single. Mm-hmm. All right, cool. It's very much

that same repetitive dance synth, but it's all right, cool, you can't break my... It's catchy. I get it. I was hoping

that she wasn't going to lean into that and she didn't at all. She experimented crazy on Renaissance. Yeah. But she gave us very much

the quintessential dance first single so I'm hoping that Bruno takes that approach. I will give the casual fans, the radio, the billboard, this is what you guys want from Bruno, here you go. On the album, we're not doing that shit, though. Yeah, okay. That's what I hope.

I hope so. We shall see. Whatever you lie. Max B, French Montana. Yeah. Listen, man. It's all right. It's right.

No, no. I don't want my pause there to come across disingen. No. I know what you. I really do like it. I know what the pause is. I was jamming on my way to try to surprise De Maris. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I was on. I was on the Jackie listening to that song specifically. Yeah. Trying to surprise Damaris. I fuck with it. Yeah. I do.

And I'm happy. Pause. Max getting the kinks out and he's doing it with French on just, you know, a quick drop. Like, I'm not mad at that approach. Yeah. Max was never really in pocket. now he's a little further out of the pocket but he just got to get his time in

he just got to get his feet back up under him but I was the music there's joints on there yeah no the music is good yeah and that's you know a very important part to having a good a good project the music has to be good and the music is good I think we got glimpses of you know old max the melodies again he's just coming home

after being away for so long so things kind of felt a little out of pocket you know the the melodies was as sharp in certain songs as they could be or that we know Max to deliver. But overall, I think it was a good project, though. I'm not mad at it.

I think him and French did a good job. It also reminded me, too, because so much time had passed, and French has just become, you know, he had, what was the song with? Are we being regionally biased? I was going to say that. Are we being regionally biased because we like the French and Max? Is it so nostalgic just to New York?

Because nobody outside of New York listens to Max B, is that the thing that they're saying on the internet? Only New Yorkers like Max B? If that's the case. I'm sorry. I'm from New York City. My position doesn't change. Yeah, I'm from New York.

French Montana, Bronx legend. But French surpassed so much from like the mac and cheese days. I forgot how much influence is in French's music from Max. Yeah. I know, but just so much time passed. Well, no. Actually, actually, people would say that French kind of took some of Max's style. That's what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, but that's his boy. So it's not, it's not. I didn't mean it in that type way. Yeah, yeah. Just the, you know, two of them before Max went away. But then when, you know, French obviously kept going and had hit, hit fucking records, number one records. Yeah, French left us for a second.

French got away from us for us started making world music. He got off the block and I ain't mad at him. He got off the block. He just came back to get Max. Yeah. He's been a leuist. Yeah. He's taking Max Saudi Arabia tomorrow.

1,000 percent. Yeah. And I ain't mad at it either. 100%. But yeah, hearing them together, it did, it just, I forgot. You know, fucking damn it in 20 years past. Yeah. I forgot how much of French's style does derive from what Max used to do. Hearing them together, it's like, damn, this is French has so much of Max in him the way he approaches versus.

It was cool. And it's just, it's good to see, it's good to see this story. Because a lot of times when people go to jail, things completely fall apart with the people that they were. with when they went in. So it's good to see this story. Yeah, and get right back to it. And yo, I just married a fucking oil princess, but not, we're about to just put out a mixed table.

Yeah. I think... Let's get right back to it. On that note, welcome home to Fetty Wop. We didn't say a last song because it happened while we were recording. I saw that 300, welcome them back with open arms.

I think that's great. And usually, I am very much on the side of labels using artists, especially, once they go to jail not giving a fuck. I do know Raina and everyone over at 300 really does care about Fetty. And that was a very genuine welcome home.

We want to get the ball rolling for you. Which I think is honorable because, I mean, I was there when 300 was started and when they were using Kevin Lyle's office space where we were at, once Fettie Wap came in the door, they left us and bought their own office space. Like Fetty really helped launch that.

Of course, along with Amigos and Doug and U.S. other artists, but Fetty was a big part of Leor, Raina, Todd, all of them just getting off the ground with that new company. So I think it was great of them to welcome Fetty back the way that they did. And I hope beats the ground running. Like, music is funny. With Max and Fetty, yeah, the world. The world has changed for so many people except for those two. Like Fetty sounds like the times now. 100%. So I think, I think, I think. I think he'll be great. I think this will be one of the few instances where someone comes out of jail and gets, gets right, right back to it. Yeah. The sound is there. Definitely want to hear what he cook up, though. I mean, Fetty, like you said, the melody is more prevalent in rap now than probably when Fettie started and he was doing it. Max had a big hand in that as well. And like you said, they both home now, and that seems to be the popular sound in the genre. Tell me tomorrow if you heard a broad wave and Fettie Wap song, it would sound anything different than 2025 and 2026.

Definitely need to Rod Wave and Max B. Definitely need that, for sure. I think that will help me get into Rod Wave music a little more. Yeah. Because I always say I would try to get into Rod Wave. Listen to honest, I recognize that he's talented. It's just the music doesn't really connect with me. I don't know if it's whether it's just the content of the music or whatever it is.

It's sad. Yeah, it's like I just doesn't really, like I don't know where I would listen to that at. But I recognize that Rod Wave is extremely talented. And a lot of his music is, you know, obviously very. heavy on the melody. So him and Max, him and Fetty, that makes that's not an awkward relationship. It sounds like it makes sense. So

that would probably be something. I don't know if, I think I did see something where, I don't know if Max was talking to Rod Wave on the phone or something like that. I think I seen, I don't know, some video somewhere online. His name is Rod Wave. Yeah. I don't know. But that will be, that would be interesting to see them work together. Yeah, just a tape

together. Yeah. Wave. Yeah. Why not? Fucking easy. Great music. I saw that Ari Lennox, and I'm just going to assume now she's working directly with JD. I know he worked on age, sex location as well. But it looks like B. Cox and JD are doing vacancy. Ari Lennox album that's supposed to come out on January 23rd. I like the record vacancy, Under the Moon is Fire, Twin Flame is fire. The three records that Ari has put out in the last few months, I think, have been great.

Listen, it's going to be as hard for an R&B artist to be in the studio with JD. and B. Cox and not create some dope shit. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure this, whatever they cooked up is going to be, it's going to be fire. Yeah, because I mean, even pressure that I know J.D. did, which was far as last, which was also like, it was like the old school way of working a record. Like pressure ended up doing great on radio charts three, four months into it even being. Did it go number one?

I think on R&B charts, it eventually did, yeah. But I'm excited for the Ari project. First one without Dreamville. So, you know, I'm curious just to see what her sound is now that she's, I don't want to say free because that's a bad way of putting it. Because I don't think like Dreamville, you know, suppressed her or anything like that. I just don't think it worked out. I think those were her exact words.

Did she say that? I felt like she went on a rant and wasn't happy about her time over there. Either way, they broke free. She's still with Interscope, obviously. But, you know, I'm curious with just, you know, Ari and. the kitchen what what that looks like is she with is she with jd are they man are they working lord i'm not sure i can't speak to me it looked like what's going on with division yeah and everything but i know ari is still signed to interscope okay but from what it looks like optics outside looking

in she's just locked in with jd and and bcox for this project that feels like the same division route it feels like it feels like it i'm not mad at it it though not mad at it yeah when do we think we'll get a division project they should be dropping something they put a record out didn't put a record out yeah so So they should be, it should be happening soon. I would say first quarter. I feel like they'd be a little bit more active if it's first quarter. I feel like it'll be first quarter. I can't see you.

Definitely want to hear they new shit, though. Shout out the division. No, I just saw them in, I think it was South Africa over New Year's. Oh, everybody's in South, is in Africa. I know, but even specifically the stage that they were doing at that festival and the crowd, I was like, God, they should just move to South Africa. Yeah, we all should. They were singing every word. Yeah.

Yeah, Daniel shut that shit down. I feel like we're not, we can bring back a mall's baddies segment. Is that, I didn't see the fight. I kind of fell off the batty train a little bit, man. I mean, you know what I mean?

Other shit going on all this shit I'm watching. I ain't really been locked in with the baddies. What they fight? Okay, this is a regular baddies shit. They fight? It can't be the baddies without fights. Oh yeah, that's what they, that's part of the audition. You got to know if you can fight.

Wait, how else would they do the audition? Yeah, like you thought they were going to sing. Like, we'll take them to the audition. They got a fight. I thought it was a royal rumber, like, whoever is left is, in the cast. Persuasion versus pressure.

I don't know who any of these ladies are. Couldn't tell you. But shout out to persuasion and pressure. Get your shit off. So what season is this now? I'm not sure. They just did Baddy's America. I think they just did Baddy's America

after coming up for Baddy's Africa. I'm not sure what audition this is for, though. Well, I saw Natalie Nunn was doing like press front shit. She was with Cam. So I guess... I haven't been keeping up. I was about to cancel my Zeus, but, I mean, if they back at it, it was going through my statement.

I was like, why am I still paying this zoo shit? Yeah, nah, this is a new season coming. You can't cancel it now. No, because once they were scrapping in front of the band in Africa of all the kids, I was like, this is not, this was funny before, but $12.99. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys are taking it a little too far from me. You can't fight at the charity event, like with the kids here.

It's fucking crazy. Yeah, but I kind of fell off the batty train. I got to get back on to see what's going on with the ladies, though. Okay. Also, before we get out of here, Ben Affleck did, you said All the Smoke did this, right? Yes, it's All the Smoke. Did Hood Classic movies where Ben got to pick his favorites? I mean, I just clicked it just because I was just curious what Ben knew.

I mean, I know he's a cinema snob. Ben knew the Hood. He knew the Hood movies, though. I was very surprised. Yeah, this was kind of funny to watch, to be quite honest. So out the gate, they start with Friday versus Soulplane. Where are you picking there, more? Before we get to the final reveal where Ben decides what's better.

I'm definitely going Friday. Friday with Soaplein. I don't even think it's close. Yeah. And Soaplein's funny. Soaplein is a great movie, but Friday. Friday versus Rush Hour. So how this works is whatever one you pick stays.

And Ben went with Friday. So, you know, the culture can rest. Ben Afflack has decided what the better. Yeah, the hood classes. Ben Ben is stamped now. Cambridge, Massachusetts has let us know. Yes. Yes.

Batman has stamped the Hood Classic. Friday versus Rush Hour. Ooh, shit. Both Chris Tucker legendary movies, classic movies. Do I go Ice Cube over Jackie Chan? Damn. For me, This one is very tough.

This is tough. This is Friday or Rush Out. I'm gonna go Friday though. I think I watch Friday more than I watch Rush Hour. I'm going Friday as well. Yeah. But Rush Hour's tough just because you get like the Kung Fu action shit in it as well. It's a production.

It's a bigger movie, of course. Yeah. And it's one of my favorite Chris Tucker Lodds ever. Again, if kidnapped out the good you got Chelsea Clinton? Yeah, but if Chris Tucker went solo, if Chris Tucker had some solo church, you know what I? Yeah, but I'm going to first. Friday, me personally Friday over Rush Hour. Same.

Ben went with Rush Hour. Rush. Ooh. I get it, though. I get it. If you're talking about, because is this Ben's personal or is he just saying, is he just saying what he feels like is just a bigger, better movie?

I think it's what he prefers. The fucking Rush Hour is, was Michael Bay, I think, did that? I don't forgot the director. Did Michael Bay do Rush Hour? Who did Rush Hour? It wasn't him? No, who's the guy that did, uh... Brett.

Rather, that's what he does. My bad, Michael Bay. Brett Ratner did a lot of crazy music. He did like Hove music music music. Yeah. So he picked, he picked Rush Hour. Yeah. Rush Hour, okay.

Then it went to Rush Hour versus Coming to America. All right, here's my thing. Is Rush Hour and Coming to America Hood Classics? Or are they just like classic movies? I feel like Coming to America is a Hood classic. I feel like that's a Hood Classic.

Rush Hour is just a classic. I think that coming to America is more. You don't think coming to America is like is just a worldwide movie? No. I don't think it's a worldwide. It's Eddie Murphy. Yeah, but I'm just saying, I feel like it's still like a very... Is Beverly Hill cop?

Okay, I feel like Beverly Hill cop is bigger. He was bigger at that time. Yeah. Coming to America was, that was probably his first big... No, Coming to America was after Beverly Hills. Yeah, it was. Yeah, that was after Beverly Hills. I just don't think coming to America is like a Hood movie.

I think it's a Hood classic. It's a hood classic, bro. All right. Well, then, to me, coming to America, like, wins all of these. Yeah, coming to America, definitely. I'm picking over Rush Out. Coming to America. Same.

Yeah. I just don't consider it really like a hood class. It's a classic movie, in my opinion. Okay. Ben Wilmwood coming to America. I mean, I feel like that's the only right answer in this entire thing. The next one is coming to America over Boys in the Hood. Oh, shit.

Very weird. Shit. Boy from the Hood is a Hood classic. Coming to America is a Hood Classic. If I'm picking out of the two of these, it's coming. to America. I'm gonna go, fuck.

I love Boys and Lod. It's coming to America. But it's two different types of moves to at the same time. It's like such two different vibes. Like I just, one is a comedy, one is like, you know,

touching on real shit that's going on. I was a lot of funny shit in Boys and Lerner. No, it was a lot of hilarious. Even when they weren't trying to be funny. Yelling Ricky was kind of funny. I'm gonna go come into America. Same.

I'm going to come into America. And I like Ben's answer on this. Pause real quick, Josh. He chose coming to America because he feels menace's society is a better version of the same message as boys in the hood. And I was like, I see what he's saying. Because that would be tougher for me. Coming to America versus menace's society, that's a tough debate. Yeah, menace is probably better than unfortunate.

Yeah. Menace is a hood classic that shouldn't be a hood classic. That should just be a classic. Yeah. All right. Then it went, coming to America versus juice. Oh, man. I watch juice more.

Yeah, I watch juice more, but coming to America is probably a... It's not fair. Yeah, same to America. Coming to America versus Paid and Full. Again, I watch Payton Full. I watch Payton Full. But coming to America is a better movie. Coming to America is definitely a better movie.

And Payton Full is a Hood Classic. Coming to America isn't. Belly. You know how I feel about belly. Coming to America. I might go with Belly on this one. No way. Same neighborhood.

Fuck, no. Not overcoming to America. It's not fair. Why couldn't they have done the Hood Classics versus the Hood Classic? Why couldn't we do juice and belly? I feel like coming to America's All right. Juice versus belly.

Juice. Juice. Yeah. Obviously. Hell yeah. This is a little bit more fair because I think neither of these are Hood classics.

Coming to America versus Training Day. Completely different movies. Two totally different movies. Do you think Training Day is a Hood classic? Nah. I'm not going to say Hood Classic, but I mean, shit, it was shot in the hood. It was classic for that.

Coming to America or Train, damn, two of my favorite movies. I'm gonna go, Oh shit. Training Day. I'm going Training Day and me and Pete were talking off mic. Training Day came out in 01. I would say Training Day is a top five movie of the last 25 years.

Yeah, but did Denzel go solo, though? Actually. Does he have any solo? If we're on the Bruno side, this was the first time Denzel ever played a villain. Yeah. He was always the we were rooting for. Yeah. This was when he showed his range of like not.

origin, yeah. You're going to hate me by the end of this fucking thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, he chose coming to America. He chose coming to America over Training Day? Training Day is shit. 21st century, one of the greatest movies. I never thought Ben Affleck fuck to come into America.

I would have never thought that Ben Affleck fuck would come into America like that. Training Day is one of the greatest movies ever. Ever. Yeah. Coming to America versus Menace to Society. Again, very weird matchup. Very weird, but I'm going to come into America. I'm just like, I'm...

He picked Menace? you know Ben, I didn't, I didn't know Ben. I didn't know I. I learned so much about Ben Affling in the last two minutes. All right. Well, if we want to do a fake deep dive, clearly all the movies for the most part in the beginning of Ben's career and throughout his career are very much region focused.

He has a regional bias. He is. To the greater New England. But because he's from there, he makes great movie. He understands that the culture. I'm sure he would have a good appreciation for somebody that would do a regional movie that that really shows exactly what this place is about, where Menace is, if you didn't know about what was happening in L.A.,

it told you exactly what was happening in L.A. at that time. So I can see Ben, I mean, Goodwill Hunting is more of these snobby New England mental health version of Menace's Society without the projects. If you really get into it. Like, you know, O Dog and do you like apples are pretty much, yo, y'all want these hamburgers? Do you like apples? Tell me the difference. Yeah.

That was funny to me. Menace Society versus New Jack City. Tough. Tough. I'm going menace. Very tough. Yeah, I got to go menace over that. Love New Jack.

New Jack. What's funny, New Jack versus a lot of the ones before is being. Yeah, 100%. Menace Society, don't be a menace. I mean, Menace Society, but. Yeah, that's too. No, they're the same movie. Just one's a parody.

Yeah, I get it. But yeah, no, we got to go menace. Don't be a minis is a classic, though. Menace versus 8 Mile. I'm going menace, but 8 miles still needs its flowers, man. 8 miles are really, really, really, really good movie. Yeah.

I think I'm going to go 8 mile, though. Really? Yeah. Really? Yeah. I think I'm going 8 Mile over menace. Legendary scenes versus legendary scenes. I mean.

Yeah. You're going 8 mile? Yeah, I think I'm going to go 8 mile. 8 mile versus poetic justice. Damn, another classic. This is some tough. This is not as easy to answer because it's a better movie versus what movie you watch more. Because I watch Poetic Justice way more than I watch 8 Mile.

But Poetic Justice is a better movie than 8 Mile. It is. You know what I'm saying? You think Poet Justice is a better movie? I don't know. It's also not fair because kind of back to our rush hour conversation versus Friday, like 8 miles. was a major movie budget like poetic justice is the

quintessential hood classic movie working with a budget that you had and created a fucking classic with Janet Jackson and Tupac Mm-hmm Voting against Janet and Tupac would make my stomach hurt Yeah, but does Pock have any solo? See, if Janet didn't go solo, you know what I mean? This was his first solo.

Would she even be in? He went from digital underground to poetic justice. I'm just saying if Janet didn't leave the family would she even be casted to poetic justice if she was just running up under her brothers would she have gotten casted

that is true I might have to go poetic justice during this one and ironically M decided not to be solo at this time and joined D12 exactly

see what if he never went solo I'm going poetic justice but eight mile like I hate to not give eight mile the credit that it fucking deserved Oh great movie Ben went eight mile

okay eight mile hustle and flow I'm going hustle and flow I know that's flat You hustle and flow is so fucking underrated. Hustle and flow is the big boy of this entire conversation. Hustle and flow plot makes zero sense. But boy, is it a fucking great movie.

Great movie. I got to go eight mile, though. Hustle and Flo is a great movie, though. But I'll go eight mile. Personally, eight mile. They both equally shorten the time of what it takes to make it as a rapper. Yeah. It's not that easy.

I promise you. He hadn't wrapped in like 30 years. He ran in some guy. He went to middle school with like, yo, I think I'm a rap again. Here's three classics. Here you go. Eight Mile versus American gangster, American gangster. American gangster.

Again, not a hood classic. No, it's not a hood classic. Russell Crow and Denzo. Yeah, that's not a hood classic. Yeah. American gangster for sure. Ooh, American gangster are dead presidents? Damn.

Dead presidents. I'm going dead presidents. Yeah, I'm going dead presidents, man. Dead presidents does fall under Hood Classic and it shouldn't. It should be revered the way American gangster is to the public. You have everything from the action scenes to the war to what it was like for Vietnam vets to come back to the city. Like, then you get into bank robbery.

It covers so many different plots and succeeds. Where most movies try to do a bunch of plots and they fall short because you're trying to do too much. They did too much and succeeded through the whole thing. How you have the high school experience, Vietnam, drug addiction, coming back to the Bronx, robbery, then dealing with the court system of how they treated the vets that they ignored. How do you cover all of that in a masterful way? And not only that, you got one of probably the most iconic hood costumes during Halloween out of just this movie. I was offended by the white face. I don't know anybody that didn't do that at Halloween at one point.

So I'm going dead presidents over American Gangster personally. Ben took American Gangsta, okay Blood and Blood I wouldn't even think they would know about this Blood and Blood and Blood. You know you've never seen Blood and Blood. For real? Yeah. But I mean I'm going American Gangster. Oh shit. Classic.

That's like Hood Mexican Classic. That's Mexican classic. I'm going to American Gangster. But damn. Blood and Blood Out is a really good movie though. But yeah, American Gangstow will Blood and Blood Out for sure. Did they live? Did they leave any out? I'm sure, of course they did, but out of those,

I'm curious how they even landed on some of those movies. But they covered most of the hood classics, though, the ones that we talk about. They covered most of them. I wasn't expecting to see blood in. That was a curveball to end. Blood and blood out, I don't know many people that have seen that movie.

American Me is the Mexican hood movie. Yeah. That, you know, everybody kind of goes. Blood and Blood out was kind of like. I was hoping colors would have been there. colors. I know you're big on freedom writers. It's one of your favorites. You bring that one up a lot. Yo, that's fucking funny. Freedom writers. What have you ever heard me talk about that? Remember when she taught those inner city youth that poetry's cool because Tupac doesn't?

Freedom writers. What was the original freedom writers where she gets a leather jacket from the Mexican kids? It's the same plot as Freedom Rite. It was the first one. What movie was that? I can see the white woman's face right now. Is it Michelle Pfeiffer, right? Yeah. It was offensive that they just...

That's what ganges... Yeah, Kulio, that's the songs from, right? What was the name of that movie? Because it was like, when Freedom Riders' trailer came on TV, I was like... All right, so they're just re-making the same... Dangerous Minds. Yes. While Dangerous Minds is offensive.

It's not even remotely closed. Freedom Riders is almost like the don't drink juice in South Central. like parody of it but they were trying to be serious. Yeah. That movie is fucking insane. Classic though. Danger's Mind is cool. Oh no, Danish Mind is cool.

I'm saying freedom writers. That's hilarious. Oh man. All right. Well, hopefully man, we are, you know, not as hated as we was last week. Apologies again for the false start.

You know what I mean? No, I just know that people are not watching the actual clip. Yeah. Most people are, even though it was a pretty mixed bag. Like, it wasn't. wasn't just this take is insane. There was a lot of people that were agreeing with what you were

saying. I think most people was agreeing with me from what I saw. Again, just what I don't know in your bubble. Yeah, in my world, you know what I'm saying? But I think most people was agreeing with me. I've had some interesting conversations about it. But all love. A lot of my, a lot of my white liberal friends were not happy with your bag fuel take either. I got a earful from the Williamsburg lips. About who? Being more offended by Beyonce. going out for the Kamala thing than Nikki and the Charlie Kirk's wife I didn't say nothing about Charlie Kirk's wife but that's

yeah we're talking when Nikki went up and did um the turning point USA shit and you said you were more upset that Beyonce went and did the speech for Kamala oh yeah I stand on that for sure the Chi T crowd was not not happy with me oh I mean you know that is what it is you're part of the problem me right I'm part of

the problem. I got it. Yeah. Surprise albums this week. Listen, listen, please. Don't get me in my, you know what I says? I don't know. I'm just saying I don't know. Now, I haven't. Finally, he's saying he doesn't know. No, no, no, no. I'm not, I don't, I don't know now. I don't have any updates on anything that's supposed to be dropping. But I do know that, you know, I think we get all three of those guys this year, though, now for sure. Do you think the person that gave you that information maybe was purposely given wrong information? No. Okay.

Nah, hell no. Because they do that too. Oh, yeah. I mean, but not. For me, no. That wasn't it. Fair enough. I think it was really a thing, a real thing.

Yeah. We're not going to do voicemails today, but everyone that is signed up to our Patreon that is able to do voicemails. mails, please send in some voicemails for Baby D, send her well wishes, just say hi to her and make her laugh. We'd like to hear some of those so we can send them over to her. You know what's fucked up? I consider Demaris one of my best friends and a pod listener hit me and asked for her t-shirt and hoodie size because they were trying to put like a pack together for her. Mm-hmm. I didn't know what to say because I didn't want to be offensive, but then I didn't want to be.

Yeah. I reply, you think she could fit my hoodie? I can give you my size. Because I don't, I don't, I don't, what do you say with a woman's size? Well, you guessed her weight down to the ounce. Yeah. Maybe they should have asked you instead of me. I went with medium.

That's cool. That's cool because sometimes the oversized is for a hoodie. Yeah. Yeah. To give a little room in a hoodie. Yeah, women prefer baggy hood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I assume.

That's fine. I think that's safe. But then I wasn't sure. because maybe she would want a large. And then I don't know. The lodge might have been too. You swimming in it too much at that point. That's the style now.

Yeah, I get it. All right. Well, yeah. Please send over your voicemails to, um, to Maris. And also, uh, Mary J. Blage may get me to Vegas. The residency is like three days, but I think it's around my birthday. Yeah, it's May, May 1st and 9th and then July 10 to 18th. Okay.

Mary and Vegas could be fun. Yeah, definitely. And I'd prefer the auntie crowd in Vegas over, you know. Brooklyn? No, to the Usher, coked out white crowd because it got so popular. Like, I like that this is just like a two-week gap, so you just have to be a fan. Yeah. You want to make it.

You're not, this isn't just to be part of the Vegas experience. Like, you're going for this. Where is it at in Vegas? The MGM? She said what it was. Do it live at Park MGM. Okay. Yeah.

I'm sure that'll be great. Yeah. Yeah, so congrats to Mary. Love to see that because I'm sure that, you know, puts her over for her alimony. I hope she put it in a whole separate. company. Oh, you know, all of that is, all of that is time. She's not doing this unless, no, absolutely. This is, this is for her. This is hers. Absolutely. 100%. Yeah. All right, well, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that niggit. He's just ginger. Peace.

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