New Rory & MAL - Episode 445 | Send Help

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

Well, our guest cancelled. It happens. We're gonna kick it with you anyway. Rory and Mal explain why being a manager if a lot harder than people make it out to be, plan a pod glamping trip, and debate how horny is too horny when you're stranded on a deserted island. Plus, an impromptu Matt Damon vs Ben Affleck Verzuz, and a which two artists would we pick to make a dope joint album together? #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A little bit of a rolling start. We had a guest cancel due to some things I totally understand. Yeah. Getting jammed up with. I had a guest canceled. That's why Baby D's not here either. But, I mean, let's shoot the shit and have an episode. I love shooting a shit with you were.

Yeah, man. Let's get to know each other. Welcome back. Middle of the week. Yes, yes. We are powered by boost. I love the middle of the weeks, Rory. I don't know why.

You're a hump day guy? Yes. I was trying to find a joke in there somewhere, but yes, I am a middle of the week type of guy. Why? I don't know. It's kind of like, you know, when you like on a flight or a trip somewhere and you go take a nap, you wake up, you look at the little map, see what you're adding, like, you're halfway there. You know that feeling you get? Okay.

That's what I get on Wednesday. It's only a countdown from here, more or less. Okay. Like this thing, man. We almost through. We almost through. Tuesday and Wednesday are pretty much the most useless weeks as far as excitement goes, but I hear you. Yeah.

I mean, unless you're in New York City where they try to make every night some special club Tuesdays, ladies' night. Oh, I don't care. New York is really good at just making days that don't matter. But speaking to naps, I mean, I think this is the best topic to start with. You said you took a nap for the first time in a decade. I took a nap for the first time. Not a decade. Learning so much about you.

I took a nap for the first time in almost two years yesterday. incredible with a kid man any type of free time I have I'll take it I'll take it people with kids y'all have I'll take a 10 minute nap standing up like I'll nap in our lounge

I'm talking about like one of those naps where like you get like over like two hours okay like I had one of those I had one of those yesterday man I felt but I got up early I had to get up like really early yesterday and move around a little bit and then I got back home around like three

four o'clock I was done I woke up it was like eight o'clock I woke up before that, but then like I got out of the bed at eight. And then it's like, what do you do now? Like, what do you do at 8 p.m. if you already took a nap, walking around, no kids? Like, what do you do at 8 p.m? if you just wake up to an empty house. Yeah. I mean, I'm getting, I'm getting fully on a mora schedule now.

Like, when she's down 839, I'll usually knock out right at that time. It's been tough for me to stay up past down lately. Yeah. Like, in a crazy. What is sleep anymore to a parent, though? Like, what does sleep exist? Well, I mean, tomorrow will be three in a few weeks. The first year, there was not existent.

I don't even know what that. I don't even know how a human beings function as parents in the first year. I don't even know how I got through that. Now it's, it's regular now. It's just back to a schedule when you were younger. Like, you're just on your kid's schedule. So it's not that crazy. I did go out last night, though.

Where you went? I went to the- Yo, you'll be secretly outside, man. Like, you'll be trying to act like it's just daddy-day. care and it is like you run out the door when you were done recording to go pick up them all but you don't never talk about when you drop them or put them all to bed you definitely back out of the driveway okay streets so i have been very honest about my one day being sunday yesterday wasn't sunday i'm aware can i can i finish okay good i feel like i'm being

attacked i feel like i'm in family therapy right now yes this is what family therapy feels like um so usually i have sunday and then we record mondays but sometimes i'll have like monday after work that shift got switched that Kia did with a Tuesday one. So whereas, remember I had to run out of here at like 3.30 yesterday? Had to get out of here. So Tuesday, I had free time when I usually don't because Kia was off on a Tuesday when she's usually not. Yeah. So.

Okay. All right. So, yeah, but you're acting like I went outside outside. Do you want to know what I do when I have free time? Yeah. So Neil Brennan, who's a great stand-up, also co-creator Shepel show, he does these things on Tuesday night at the top secret comedy club. that's, I'm not trying to like big league anyone. It's really just called that.

Yeah. It has a huge sign. It's not that top secret. It just says top secret. He does new material night where like, you know, it's not flushed out bits. Like they literally read off their phone or off like their notes. It was Neil Brennan,

Andrew Santino and Dan Soder. And it was fucking great. And I texted Neil. I said, hey, I see it sold out. Is there any tickets available? He said, yeah, just send me names. I'll be by myself. And he's like, all right, cool.

I get to the front door where the list is. And she goes, name please. I said, Rory Farrell. She goes, looks through, said, okay, Rory Farrell plus zero. Plus zero. Let everybody know you have no friends. Well, I swear to God. I even texted Neil.

Plus zero. I texted Neil. I said, her saying plus zero. did wonders for my self-esteem. I almost told her, yeah, but I have friends. Yeah. You can't find anybody to go with you. He said you should have just paid the $10.

You can't find anybody to go with you to a top secret. It was so last minute. Like, doors read 7.30. I texted Neil at like 6.15 or something like that. So I wasn't going to rush to try to get someone. I mean, comedy shows, you can watch those by yourself. Like, you're not like talking with them. For sure. For sure.

And it was cool. It was cool to kick it with Neil and Andrew and everyone. No, it was a good time. It was a good solo date. And they started the show at 8 o'clock. I was in bed by 10.30. So they're working on new material. They were literally reading off their phones of like shit they jotted down that day.

Like, you know, starting out bits to see what something. And they'll literally be like, well, that didn't work. Let me erase that. It's like watching them do the early process. It was really like really interesting. Is that something that they've always done in comedy or is that's something new? I don't think new material night is something that's like brand new. but I haven't seen it really advertised in New York like that, but I could be wrong.

I've seen comedians like tell the audience, like I'm trying to material out tonight. Like I've seen that, but like a night dedicated to comedians literally and every like reading off a paper stuff that they just jotted down and wrote. Like I don't know if I've ever heard about that. Yeah. And I mean, it was definitely like the NYU crowd. I think they even had a student discount or whatever. But it was nice to see like younger people not on their phone. Like nobody was, I've been to shows where like they literally lock your phone in the bad.

I've been to the Chappelle shit at Radio City. And those are the best shows because they have no worries about anything. Some of the kids had phones and shit and nobody did anything. I was so happy to see that. Like they respected what was going on on stage rather than trying to catch a moment. Yeah. Because they were saying some wild shit. I had heard about a, um, this is, I don't know if you heard about it.

You're like the super, super, uh, in the mix or in the no guy. there's an R&B invite only party called the 705 series you heard about that peach peach probably did I was supposed to say Pete did the flyer Pete right did some graphic work for the 705 series it's a it's an invite only R&B party and I thought that was dope okay I like that in the way it's in the city um yeah I'm guessing it's I don't know if they if they travel with it but um but yeah like it's it's an invite only you get an email uh I guess the day or the week of the the party or the event and that's how you how you get in I thought that was cool like that idea

of that is cool I like those ideas of like you know invite only parties as far as like you know a specific night R&B night you know I'm saying like I think that's that's some really cool shit obviously now we have a lot of members only clubs especially here in New York with Soho House and a few other houses that are here in New York but what is it about these curated these specifically curated events invite only like but then you get there and there's people that was invited

where you like how you got here because we all know to certain people we walk in those rooms you feel like this is gonna be a super exclusive event you've been there Rory

you're like oh nah this is gonna be low it's gonna be like the producers of like some of the greatest R&B songs and then you get there and it's like

your homeboy from Brooklyn you like wait how did you get an invite to this like the marketing was so good that you felt like it was exclusive but it wasn't.

Yeah. But I like that I did that. Everyone that RSVP got accepted. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes it feels like that. But I do like the specifically curated because I feel like the energy in New York is so different now. Like the club scene is, you know, I don't know nothing about it.

The strip clubs is terrible. So like, what do you do in New York if you want to go out and have like a fun night, especially when the music is good? Like R&B only night, you know the music is going to be good. Yeah. And I mean, I'll falsely take all the credit. I mean, this is Palooza's blueprint. we started the take it this yours we were the first people ever to be like how about only the people

we invite you are allowed y'all are the first ones but i will say with those invite only parties i'll look at it from from the other side it was less about when you saw somebody like damn how they get in when you're throwing the party and you know somebody has went through you you met all 13 people in the group chat this person has hit up and everyone has said no to them yeah and then you're by the bottom like how the fuck did you get in here yeah yeah Did you go through the back? Yeah. That's what always blows my mind of how people will find anyway into some type of event.

But, I mean, these are always fun. I prefer the invite. I like the idea of it. Not in a pretentious way. It usually just brings a better crowd than it's people that are intentionally trying to be there rather than just like, all right, this is some shit. Let's go to it. And then if you're doing, if you're the one that's, you know, putting an event together in the invite list, you know, you want a certain aesthetic in the room. Yeah.

Like that's a part of the party that people don't really pay attention. Now, you know, people are just like, listen, if we could pack the building, then that's all that matters. But no, you should have a specific type of people, aesthetic vibe in the room because all of that adds to a better event. Yeah. And I mean, we talked on Patreon. Like, you know, obviously girls love karaoke is probably the best party in the city.

And I know they've moved around and toured a bit. So, yeah, probably one of the best parties, period. But that, the sample party that we were trying to tell you about. It's not invite only. You can buy tickets, but that's just a cool curated experience. Like, you know the crowd there is all going to be music nerds, but music nerds that like to be outside and socialize and drink a little bit. Women will be there.

Like, that type of thing, I think, just brings out a crowd instead of you just sitting there on your phone. Like, why the fuck am I at this place right now? Yeah. Yeah. Just, I don't know. Everyone has a common goal there. And, I mean, if they'll have us, I'm down to go. I can't tell you.

It's funny you said that. I can't tell you how many times people have just in common. conversation approached me about, yo, why you and Rory don't, like, curate parties and DJ and manage? They want us to manage. Like, why y'all don't have artists that you manage? Well, see how you just laugh? Same reaction. Me managed. So I'm like, yo, bro, it has to be a person that has just, first of all, they have to be a grown adult. Like, you have to have some type of, like, adulthood about yourself. I'm not managing no young artist because that's babysitting. You know how that goes. Yeah. Well,

I mean, starting with the party and event thing, I did that for a decade at its highest level period. Yeah. And I know how to- You don't miss it? Pete, you don't miss it? I'm not talking to Pete. Every day. All right. You have to be more specific.

Yeah. Ask me what I miss. Okay. All right. That's fair. What do you miss? Because what I think Pete is speaking to is probably what I'm speaking to as far. is like, I miss it every day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you miss about, about Palluzza? Probably the camaraderie, which some of it ended up to being a false sense of camaraderie. But I still will honor the moments and what they were and what I thought they were at the time and still look at them with love. See, you don't even understand. No, no, no, I see it. You don't even know how that goes. You're your therapy bag right now.

I get it. I'm waiting for the real answer. It's not going to take away from the memories that I had. Yeah. Memory don't live like people, but you know that. You know that. Give me the real fucking answer. You give me all this therapeutic shit.

No, no, no. The camaraderie of doing that with your friends going from city to city is an experience like no other. That's fun, yeah. And, you know, Palooza was never super lucrative. Like, did we make some money? Yeah. But nothing that was life-changing money.

It was experience life-changing. It was not monetary at all. And to me, that was the, like, in retrospect, the better part about it. Like, we were just hoping to break even and have as much fun as we possibly could and have create the most memories that we could.

And I miss that shit for sure. Yeah. Of just like, all right, we got one, we have one show in Houston on Saturday. How about we go in on Tuesday and leave next Thursday? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love sending it up like that. Love routing it like that. Yeah. Like that, that stuff I do miss. And just like, you know,

a group of 12 people, get 12 different stories from that weekend. Like everybody went different perspectives. It's just in regrouping when you get back home of like, yeah, I miss that type of shit for sure. But as far as like throwing events and the stress of that, like we're speaking of Houston, when Drake says that line when he went to warehouse like, is bun coming? Is anybody coming?

Like the stress of that in new markets and like, dude, that stuff is, again, we weren't out there trying to make a lot of money, but I wasn't trying to lose money. I was making fucking $75 grand at Havas, living in New York City and like dumping money into that. Yeah, there were days like, well, this fails. We better hope that Coney Island lets us eat for the next month. So that stuff I don't miss.

And it's stressful. The liability is just a lot with events. And it's a young man's game. Yeah. I couldn't do that shit in my 30s. at all it's it's fun that should be for younger people to handle for sure now the management side i mean eo is is is emotional orders is is easy for the for the most part they're they're so self-reliant and like it's so in-house like they they're a dream if i could have 10 emotional

oranges i would manage way more but that's not how the case is management i wouldn't want to i wouldn't want to sell an artist short because it's their life at the end of the day and you're you're managing their livelihood, their dream, everything, embodying what they're trying to do with their brand. And that's not something you should take lightly if you want to be a manager. You're fucking with somebody's life at the end of the day. And if you can't fully put your life into that, you're doing them a disservice and yourself a disservice. Like management needs to be all in. You can't half-ass management.

Yeah, that's one reason why I always stayed away from it because I know what it takes. And, you know, obviously watch my brothers do it all these years. Like, it consumes you. Like, your every thought, every day. Like, even if you're not, you know, and I say it even with us, like, even if we're not in the studio, we're working. We're on a call. We're on an e-mails. Like, so now imagine if you have that.

Then you have artists, careers that you're responsible for. Yeah. But then I am just a hypocrite because everything I just said, I go against that. And my friend, J. Electronica is like, yo, you want to manage me on some of these projects? Yes, yeah. But again, that's more friendship stuff. And Jay is going to do what he wants to do. I'll work when you're ready to work type of thing.

Whereas younger artists where you're kind of in like that early grind. They'll me out. You need to. I'm locked up. You need to be on the ground with them everywhere. Like we need to go everywhere. You know, Jay's a different example there. Jay's not trying to be outside.

Jay's not trying to run with brand deals. Like he wants to put out music and I can assist. in the logistics of that type of stuff. But the younger artists, no, I'm not, I don't have the bandwidth. I'd feel like I was doing wrong towards them. If I was like, yeah, I'll manage you. You'd be this low on my priority list. And it just, yeah, I can't do that.

And I think people really think managed, because I get a lot of people just DM me artists that's, they don't even know, like, not like yo's my man's, but like, yo, this person's really dope. Yeah. you should manage them. I'm like, I just don't think you understand

what that. It's a lot. It's not me co-signing it on the pod, like listen to this. That is like this big in that entire thing. And also, cosigns on the pod

are kind of whatever because we always try to highlight music we like or listen to every episode. That cosine shit behind the scenes, I only have so many certain favors with certain people.

Like when I put a stamp on something, all right, I got you on this one. they better be night. Like that's also a risk when you're playing the politic game as a manager. 100% hell yeah.

You can't just come with some shit that may work. Like they're all right. They're cool. But they're not taking their self as serious. Like they got a good record but I could tell in the studio

they don't have good work ethic. Like they're not going to follow up in this. Now I'm wasting favors. Like that's a whole other politic game with management that's just rough. Yeah.

Like yeah, I don't know. And listen. 10 to 20% artists are starving with 100% of the money. Yeah. Yeah, that's a shit. That's a lot of work

for a small percentage of what you're getting at if this is something that you feel is still unproven. Like, I don't know, but I mean, you should do it. With that being said, give it a shot.

No, I'm cool, Roy. You know, I don't have to patience for that. But I do help, you know, certain artists wherever I can, but I don't put, yeah, the whole managing, I don't want that. If you need something and I'm able to use my resources and access to help you,

then I'll do that with no questions asked. But as far as like day-to-day being your actual man, I just, that sounds scary. Yeah. Like even with EO and like the beginning stages, like, I'm going to fucking Staten Island with my own $10,000 in cash pulling up on ghost face and COVID. Like I don't have. Yeah. That's at 35 and everything I have going on.

I don't have that type of mentality for a new artist at this point. Not the passion is still there, but I'm not, I'm not doing that. Yeah, no. Like, I'm not staying in the studio until 4 a.m. going through, like, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's a lot of fucking work. A lot of fucking work. So, no, I mean, maybe one day. Maybe that'd be my retirement plan. We finish everything.

I'll just, I do it for free. What's your retirement plan? My retirement plan, I want to be on a beach. Unaliving. We're in the same. What? Funny to me. You are right, man.

Fuck you funny to me. I almost said the real word, but I didn't want to get a steam out of time. I'm like, wait, what? Yeah, I just, I see myself just living life out on a beach every day, swimming trunks, t-shirt, just like, you know, whatever the day brings. I don't know. What are you doing today? I have no idea.

I'm just living. That's what I want. Or a farm. I want to live on a farm. Yeah, but again, that's management. But that's a different management though. But at old age, like, I'm with you on. Are you saying, like, live off the farm or just live on a farm?

Like, how far is the nearest convenience store? Okay. Because farming is no fucking joke. Yeah, I still need access to... Because I would live on a farm that's, like, not active. Yeah. Like, we just ride ATVs and shit. Yeah, yeah.

I would definitely do that. But to live on. off the farm. There's not enough TikTok videos in the world to, like, teach me that shit. Yeah, Khalis, Kalis does that. That makes sense. Yeah. That totally checks out.

I could have told you that on the first album. But I think there's such a level of peace and, like, you know, just like when you're, when you're able to live that light, like somebody like Kalis, grown up in New York City, Harlem. And then like now as a, as a woman living off a farm. growing her own foods and things like that. That is such a transition that I think it requires a certain level of peace and just knowing who you are and just like totally removing yourself from certain things that you grew up,

certain elements that you always had. But I think that that's like such a beautiful moment to being in your life where you're just like all of the things that I once had and had access to, I don't even want those. I just need this to live. Yeah. I think that's fire. Yeah. again farm-wise no matter what it's something nature driven as far as retirement i don't even want to say

retirement relatively soon as far as the next 10 years like i that's why i don't even believe my own thoughts anymore because i was so much in the mind state of i'm not leaving new york city i want my kid to ride the train i want them to get the experience that changes fast yeah it changed like yeah yeah whole life that's my only meant to no nah all my friends moved out of LA. I was the last, me and P's the only ones left. Yeah. Like, nope. I cannot wait to get the fuck out of here. Yeah. I did not want to marl to grow up here.

Like, that has changed so much. And not even having to do with anything with like political climate or inflation. Like, just sick of like. Yeah. You just want something different. Yeah. Like nature. But that's something like trees and shit.

Yeah. Like when you travel, when you're fortunate enough to travel and visit different places and things like that, Like that's, it's, that's what sparks that mindset. Like, you start going to believe, like wait, hold it. We start seeing how people live and, you know, how they don't need all of the things that you feel like you need once you live in New York City. It's like they're comfortable, they're happy, the peaceful. Kids are going to great schools and being productive in life. That's when those things start to manifest.

But if you don't, if you're a person that doesn't travel outside of where you grew up and where you're from, you really don't know life outside of, you know, where you're from. And even in like my early adulthood, on my own being here, like I fully understand anyone outside looking in. I see in the comments of like real estate videos and everything. Like, why the fuck would you live in a closet for $3,500? You guys are right. But I would never ever trade anything for my 20s in New York City in those closets for that price. There's no dollar amount that could compare to what that was like. I would never, ever take any of those moments back

or change anything in that regard. Now, going into my 40s, yeah, it's different. Fuck no. Yeah. But it is still the greatest place on earth. It's an experience that, if you spent your 20s outside in rural shit, I respect it and do whatever makes you happy.

But I could never have that experience in my 20s. I needed this for the first part of my life. Yeah. Second half, listen, man, listen, I might open a beach bar in Key West. Who knows? But I'm getting the fuck out of here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I feel you, man. I'm with you on that 100%. And I just, which we briefly talked about, probably more often, like, forget the New York City mentality. Just the American mentality that we share of like how nuts it would be to just leave the U.S. and how dumb of a thought that that is. Meanwhile, anyone that grew up in Europe, I live in Spain for a year. Like, you just move around different because you don't have that mentality that you were taught that this is the greatest place you have to stay here.

You'd be nuts to everything's here. When you, it's only inconvenience when you leave. They try to market it that way. And that's nuts to me. Like the thought of taking your kids and be like, no, I think they should do elementary school in Europe is a foreign thought to people with money in the United States. No, we're only staying here. That's something that I'm starting to grow up. out of two. Like, I don't have to stay in the United States. You don't have to. And I tell people

that all the time, man. I love, but, you know, people have traveled for school and, you know, lived abroad and things like that. And that's what those things are for to kind of open your mind up to that, you know, just experience of living outside of your country. And yeah, you can, you will be okay. And you, you know what I'm saying? You can thrive and things like that. But again, if you don't do those things, like I have friends that have never been outside of New York still. And that scares me. I'm like, yo, though, you still have not gotten a passport. You still having, you know, taking a vacation somewhere, like outside of like, you know, just right here, upstate New York.

Like, they do things like that and they're thinking that. So I'm like, there's so much more. And I understand the financial side of that. But I'm sure there's friends of yours that have spent $20,000 in a nightclub in New York City and never left New York City. It's like, no, you could. You know what you could do with that? You know what you could do with $5,000?

But that part of that is the thing that changed my mindset on doing things like that, like going out, my friends and us getting tables and buying. bottles. It's like when you look up at the end of the month and you realize how many times you went out and how much money y'all spent, I'm like, bro, we could have toured Italy with the money we just spent in downtown Manhattan in a fucking seven block radius. Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like that, that mentality is so, again, it's immature because, you know, we're younger. We don't really know. But like at a time, we did know, though. We did know. Like, we can try. But, you know, you just get caught up in this

lifestyle of wanting to party and be with your friends and have fun. Instead of doing real things like I've been thinking about starting doing like an adult sleepaway camp like I want to do shit like that like an adult sleepaway camp we fucking have artists come out perform in front of the bonfire like shit like what I want to do like I don't the club shit is like I get it every now but like I want to make hip hop burning man not not that far not that because I don't you don't well someone's going to get burned curious at adult sleepway camp someone's leaving with this is very something this is not the burn to me this is like very curated small like but it's like yo we're going and we're renting

fucking five cabins up here got a lake house you know what I'm saying we're going to set up a stage like make it a thing where we can because the moments we had as kids or I can remember having this kid like going away to sleep in camp sleep boy camp as kid that was some of the best times of your life yeah for sure but as adults we don't experience those things with our friends anymore unless we go on a guy's trip to Columbia and we know what that we know what that is you know what talking about like, no, real fun shit, family. It's male bonding. That is mail bonding.

But, you know, like, do shit like that. Like, an adult sleepaway camp to me just sounds like, like, and it's like, we don't have to, that doesn't cost as much money as going to a nightclub. No, definitely not. You see what I'm saying? Like, we need to do shit. Let's create shit like that. That's the type of shit I want to create.

Yeah. Yeah, that's just, when people just get older, I feel like their schedules get so fucking busy that it's tough to even schedule that type of stuff. We mean as far as the kids. Yeah. Kids and just life in general, more or less. Bring the kids.

It's camp. No? For an adult sleepaway camp? Yeah. I would punt any child. That's because you try that. I would throw any child in the lake. Yeah.

Like, I totally, what's so funny is I didn't understand no kid resorts until I had a kid. You think it would be the opposite. When you don't have kids, like, you get these kids. Kids didn't really bother me until I had a kid. Had a kid. The kids was kind of like, if kids are at a resort, like, they always have them fun. I don't know. Splash. It's okay. It's fine. I'm chilling. Everything's fine. The moment you have your own kids. But now I'm like, if I'm taking the time to have me time,

get these fucking kids away from me. I don't want to see another kid. I told you that. That makes hell no. See, I don't, because at that point, I don't have a kid. Because at point it becomes that now we're at kids sleep with. Now the whole thing is about the kids. What are they going to do? Bedtimes here. Like, kid got hurt.

It changed the whole energy and vibe. Like, oh, he fell and cut his leg. And now it's like, oh, God, like everybody's, yeah, you're right. I did, I purposely found one that wasn't an Instagram ad. You know, like, those luxury camping things.

They were big on Instagram ads when Instagram ads started. Like a tent? No, you're in like a cabin. Okay. It's a small cabin, but it's sort of luxury. Okay. It's a glamping, I think they call it. Okay.

But I, because I had saw too many people, like, fall victim to that Instagram. Like a little small cabin. Yeah. And I see it on stories of people I found, like, yo, everyone's fucking on that mattress. There's no way I'm going to the one that everyone keeps going to. I found another one in the Catskills. And it was online. So they had those.

It was, he and I did this, the Christmas before Amar, born so 2022 going into 23 um because we wanted to like spend our last christmas without a kid with no family no nothing um but it was on like a compound that had stuff like that other cabins renting out like a whole space like that could be really really cool everyone has their own yeah yeah and in the caskos it really was not i don't know if i got a better rate because it was christmas eve going into christmas and there weren't really we were kind of by ourselves but it really wasn't that expensive. Yeah.

And if they had a grill, you get an oven, like we just bought groceries and we're good. You don't really spend that much money. Yeah. And it's cool. If you need some shit, it's Catskill. So you can find a town or a Walmart within a 30-minute drive. Yeah.

But yeah, it's shit like this. That's fire. Yeah, renting that whole shit out for a week. Mm-hmm. We could pod. Absolutely. For sure. What's up, Peach?

We could pod. We could bring a synth. We could bring some guitars. Sit by the bonfire. See, this is the... Y'all are joking. I'm not. This is some shit that I, like, would...

I brought it up. I said this is what I want to do. I'm not joking. No, but not just to pot about it. Like, this is something I would, like, really want to do. That's a... Bro, I want to live like that. We don't want to do that.

Like, I want to live like that. Talk to my pops? Yeah. That's what I'm... He's parking his camper in front of my driveway as we speak. Living the life, man. Free. Yeah, man, we should do.

We got to do that. We got to make that happen, man. This year, 2026, we're making a glamping. Glamping pod happen. I'll find the one that I did for Christmas, but that one was great. But I feel like maybe we could find one that would be more suitable to potting. But it was definitely a cool, cool experience. Bays almost died a thousand times, but.

Oh, what happened? Bays is not really cut out for the cat skills. She doesn't have the cat'skill legs up on her. She's a cat. It's not even a dog. That's a cute ass cat. Your dog doesn't know how to handle the forest. Because no, you're really in the caskills.

Yeah, yeah. It's right on a lake. There was a waterfall, which was, we had a cabin right next to the waterfall. I do rain noises at night for me to go to sleep. Didn't need that. You don't need that up there. No. Fucking beautiful.

Yeah. Now, Bay's on, because you write on the mountain. it was wintertime there's ice yeah Bayes had a rough time that's so fun like she went from the excited dog that she was to like I'm going back to the cabin

yeah I'm hearing shit I'm smelling things I never smelled before it's a beer close by yeah yeah and she's usually exploring when I was on the grill she was on my leg like you living on my leg terror I was like yeah no you're a beautiful

snap to everyone out of you like if humans didn't exist multi foods like yeah they should thank us every day. You would be a snack and a heartbeat. That is so funny, man. You got to take a pit bull up there. Can't take a multi pool to the forest.

I mean, even a pit bull would do some of the shit out there would have some trouble. Oh yeah, 100%. I don't even know how we got down the glamping path, but I know Woodstock has some like areas like that out there. Oh, I mean. That stock could be fun. Yeah.

Do you know the band phony people from Brooklyn? I know some phony people from Brooklyn. I don't know the band of funny people. Great band, phony people. They did, like, part of their rollout, they're signed at 300. Okay. Part of the rollout was busting a bunch of people from media up to Woodstock to do a night. And they did, like, the campfire and perform the records.

And, like, I thought it was one of the coolest. That's right, yeah. Rollout shit's ever, yeah. That could be fine. Listen, man. Guy's younger so he can do, like, the college version of that. Let's go do the old version. We're going to do the old version, glamping.

We're going glamping. We're going fishing while we're there. Because even the challenges that we could do of, like, who could make a fire first. Like, there's a lot of camping things. Like, we, I don't want to get some scout leaders because I know that, you know. Well, no, statute of limitations. They're fine. They're model citizens.

But no, we could do archery. Yeah. Could do, like, axe throwing. All of the things that will humble us. Have you ever tried to chop wood before? Chop, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. think? 100%. Like you don't know, your hands, your hands are not built for that. Vibrating still. Yeah, yeah, your hands are not built. Yeah, I was trash.

Yeah. I got it done, but. Yeah, just let me fish, man. I don't, archery and all of that. I'm not, I was never, never good at that shit. Some of the toughest people in New York City that you know, let's, let's take them to the glamping shit, see how tough they are out there. Yeah.

Took some felons. And new show. We stamped this. So don't take our idea. Fellons in the forest. Yeah, felons in the forest. You mean all of the New York State jails? No, no, but not.

Clayton. They're inside. It's all fell into the forest. Let they ask out here and let them have to survive in the forest for three nights. Let's see who can make it happen? Yeah. You know how to shoot a gun. Can you start a fire?

No lighter, no lighter fluid. Just sticks in stones. You could shoot the rabbit, but after that, how are we going to eat the rabbit? Yeah. Can you skin a rabbit? No. Yeah. See?

I wouldn't even know. Whatever Barry was out there first, I'd be like, yeah, let's eat that. Yeah. Our stomachs would cave him. Mm-hmm. I'd be so bad at the woman. We should definitely make it happen, though. I'm sure probably in our age range.

You guys read The Hatchet. You had to read The Hatchet in elementary school. Maybe not in your era. No, not my era. The Hatchet was about... It sounds familiar, though. This kid got in like, I think it was a plane crash or something and ended up in the forest with just a hatchet.

Naturally. And made his way. And then I believe we read Hatchet too where he got rescued and couldn't deal with society and then just went back out with his hatchet. I'm not making that. I really think that's hatchet too. Back to the woods. Fuck society.

He couldn't deal with Wi-Fi. I was just like, you know what man? I'm going back out there. Yeah, go back to the wilderness from Canada. But I would, this castaway, all of those movies do that a week. I'd like to think that I have a lot of resilience in me,

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He's on a flight with coworkers. Flight goes down on a deserted island. You know the story. Of course. And now she has to kind of like, you know, they have to survive until help arrives. I wanted to watch it because the trailer was dope though. Her boss was a complete asshole to her. And naturally, they go down on the flight.

Naturally, they go down on the flight together. And now, like, it appears that her boss has to depend more on her saving their lives. You know what I mean? So I'm going to watch that, though, because I like the trailer. So what you were saying, like, yeah, the wilderness, no, the hatchet. flight goes down boy in the woods like yes that story is always old but it's always interesting to see people how they would survive yeah under those conditions do you think um if you were ever in that situation that y'all would end up fucking like do you think you'd get horny in that in that in that time

no like if it's our lives we're all human beings man no we are but if if we're like we're having to survive we don't have any food we don't have any drinking water we don't have my i'm not gonna get I fucked the most when I was broke, man. Yeah, but no, no, no, no, Roy, that's different. You being broke. I'm trying to put it to a whole other degree. Yeah, like, when you being broke and then like, deserted on an island, it's, it's completely different.

Like, no, you're not going to go on. I mean, typically how relationships form, like, trauma bonding experiences, we're going through a similar thing. Like, I can see you starting to, you know, want to fuck. Because I've even told you in office settings, office settings are like jail. a woman that you would not typically find attractive, if you have a nine to five jobs, she starts to become more attractive.

Yeah, you see a more... Now, heighten this times 10. Yeah, but that's not survival though in the office. This is life or death, we're talking about. Okay, do you think you'd ever beat off if you were on a dessert? Like, do you think Tom Hanks, and if that was real, like, jerked off at all during castaway? Yeah, I could see him looking at once in one night and getting freaky.

Anyone that thinks the immature conversation, I think you're immature, because this is a humanly bodily function that keeps the population moving. It's wired in our DNA. I think I would 100% beat off a few times. On a deserted island. Yeah. By yourself.

I'll ask you this. How many days in do you think you'd beat off? Day four? I don't think I would at all, bro. No, you would. Put some coconuts on a tree and just, that's the new Wilson. That's Wilma. I was about to say open.

Wilson's mouth. Throw a little coconut oil in there. You know, that is sick, man. No, but really, I feel like if two people of the same age, yeah, you probably end up fucking. No way. It would be very irresponsible though,

because if you got pregnant, you're fucked. This is what I'm saying? I just don't think, I think y'all underestimating being, like, stuck on a deserted island. I think you're underestimating once it becomes normalcy that your body would kick into whatever it does usually.

And at some point, You're going to have to nut. Okay. Well, I said this other day, I said trauma makes you horny and y'all laughed at me. So yes, I agree. I laughed at you. I got a kid out of it. But like being on a deserted island, no food, no drinking water.

Like, you're thinking, like, you're scared. You're like in panic. All right. So after Tom Hanks finds all the packages and they go through that whole thing and then like four years later and he's got the beard. He throws the spear from across the island. And it lands on the fish. Oh, yeah. At that point. He's, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's jerking it with two hands.

Yeah, yeah. At that point, yeah, you figured it out. You obviously survived. You know how to feed yourself. You know how to like at that point, yes, you definitely can't. So AI, even though you don't really agree with AI. Not with horny questions. AI says, yes, it is highly probable that you would naturally experience sexual desire, quote, get horny on a deserted island. A sex, as sexual drive is a fundamental human

instinct. So yeah, AI feels like you definitely at some point will, you know, loneliness, if you are completely alone, your body may still experience hormonal urges and a human need for touch or release may manifest. Yeah. And I'm telling

you, if you're on an island with a woman, I don't care what she looks like, y'all will probably end up fucking. Yeah. Two straight people that's, that's happening. Once you get to You know we're going to survive. Like we can feed ourselves. We can, I think after that point. But the first initial plane goes down.

Second day on the, I'm no fucking way, bro. There's no way. You're a maniac. Imagine setting the tone that way. Day one, pan on the knee. It's just us. Like, I've been waiting to get you alone. Like, what?

You know, that's fucked. We don't know. All right. But if you don't know if you're going to survive, I might want to get like one last fuck off. if I'm sitting there like both of us are city kids we're retarded we have no idea what we're going to do out here we might as well fuck while we have something in our stomachs and then just go die in the woods yeah because that's what I'm saying well after you have sex as soon as you

are done you do every decent person wants a snack you want something after sex like you don't have nothing you just out here on the beach with salt water surrounding you and just like you probably find uh there's probably tobacco on those type of islands nice little sig but you got to eat You told me. See, you still... That kills appetite. Yeah, no, you're tripping, man. But I think once you figure out how to survive yet, but I feel like at some point probably during our lifetime,

there will be a D-Day. I think we're just in that direction at this point. If you watch the news, the first thing you're probably going to think when they tell us the date, be like, all right, who am I going to fuck? That's going to cross your mind. So to think that wouldn't happen after your FedEx plane

fall like, yeah. I don't know. bed. One day to eat it. Your jaws is super horny. Imagine crashing with somebody and then right before you're about to be like, oh, when's the last time you got tested? Nah, come on.

You're going to take this to matter what. As somebody that has had chlamydia, it would suck to be on a deserted island. Burning? Yeah. Yeah, I don't even want to. No penicillin. Oh, God. I don't even want to know what that's about.

Did any of you guys watch Lost? Lost? Lost? The show. That came out a few years ago, right? Yeah, it's like one of the most popular shows of all time. And not to spoil it, I never watched it. I think they all end up just like being ghosts.

Like when the plane crashed, they were actually all dead. Did anyone fuck during Lost? Like, can we look that up? There's no way they had like 12 seasons and nobody fucked on that island. Oh, definitely. I'm pretty sure it was like sex scenes on there. Yeah. Okay.

Sorry. Well, that answers our question. Yeah. Well, but they're dead. If Lord of the Flies, if they got older, there would have been a lot of gay sex. For sure. What was that movie with Leonardo DiCaprio?

Was it The Beach? The Beach, yeah. Love that movie. Classic. Love that movie. I'd say fucking classic movie. Yeah. I'd say classic movie.

Sick movie, but classic. Yeah. That, shit, I don't want to, like, jump out there without looking at every Leo movie, but that might be a top five Leo movie. Yeah. And that's saying something. The beach is super underrated. That was his, uh, Britney Spears, Upsi, I, did it again, like to get him out of that kid role. Teenage, yeah. Yeah, this was his rated R

R Rihanna album for sure. You remember that one, Josh? You know, the beach. Yeah. Watch the beach. Great movie. Have you watched the Matt Damon and An Affleck? The Rip. Yes, I watched The Rip on Netflix. Did watch it the other night. You didn't see yet? I have not seen it yet. Good movie. I will see it by the time we record again. I did watch the Joe Rogan interview with the both of them. I have a man crush on both these guys. You want to hang out with them? Absolutely.

I have a huge man crush on Ben and Matt. They got a lot of shit of like trying to pretend to be the blue collar. I really think they're those down-to-earth guys. I really do think they're as cool as they come across. Are they related or just like close friends from back in Massachusetts? They grew up together in Cambridge, Massachusetts, once high school together. Okay. But this is also one of those things like we talk about what's in the water with certain

people. The fact that these two childhood friends both became A-listers like started out together, writing together, goodwill hunting. This is an insane story of what both of them have accomplished together and separately. Better act of Ben or Matt? Matt.

Matt? Matt? But it's closer than I think people give credit. I think the easy answer would be Matt. But I think Ben in the second half of both their careers has caught up. In the beginning it was definitely Matt. And that's even why Matt played the genius in Goodwill Hunting and he played the

meathead guy. But it's close, man. Ben is underrated as an actor. Better filmography. Now that one is... Ben is Batman, bro. He's Jason Bourne. Batman or Jason Bourne?

There's other Batman. There's only one Jason Bourne. The Departed, yeah. the town all right yeah well Josh pulls that up I do recommend everyone watch the Joe Rogan interview with both of them like it's just a really cool interview watching two people that have been

in this industry since the 80s of how they've adapted to streaming and you know they're also writers directors yeah ducers like these aren't just fucking pretty faces with a good filmography like these guys have been in every single aspect of the business

I love that they also are the first movie with Rip. If the movie is successful, everyone that was on the staff gets paid more. It's the first time they're trying this out. Like, if you held a boom mic and this shit is successful, you get more money, which I think is perfect. Because a lot of these guys will work with the same DP their whole career. And that guy will get his fee. And there's no back end on anything. And they were also saying, like, it just makes the crew want to work harder for what they're doing.

at the time. Like everyone is way more focused because if we make this better, we all get to profit from it, which I think should be in the music business. It's such a great point. Like, you know, again, as much as these guys get shit of like trying to pretend to be the blue guy, I really do think that they mean the things that they say. I really think these are good guys that are super creative. Now, the Matt versus Ben shit, this is what Swizz and Tim need to do. We'll get into hit boy and Mike Will made it on our next episode. Yeah. But Matt versus Ben, this is Ray versus Ghost. Yeah.

Like, this one is tough. Starting out with Good Will Hunting is just unfair, though. That's just like such a classic movie. You know what? Saving Private Ryan. I forgot he was in that. Well, I just want to start with what's funny in Matt Damon's filmography. Being an extra in Field of Dreams is hilarious.

Yeah. Just out the gate you are extra to field of dreams. saving private Ryan does Ben have a better movie than saving private Ryan does anyone have a movie better than saving private Ryan and Matt again is really the second half of it's um Armageddon is a classic and Ben was the star with Bruce Willis

and a crew of actors that are all A-listers that was Michael Bay right one of the biggest movies ever. Yeah. Fucking, who did the soundtrack? Arrow Smith did the soundtrack.

We're talking about one of the biggest movies that's ever existed. Is it better than Armageddon? No. It's like, Saving Private Ryan is one of the greatest movies ever. No, you're right. I'm not arguing that, but I'm saying, so is Armageddon.

That's what I'm saying. Armageddon is a bigger movie. All right. Pearl Harbor versus saving Private Ryan. I think would be a more fair versus. And while Saving Private Ryan is better, I do think Pearl Harbor, despite trying to do too much with the love story, is an underrated movie. Pearl Harbor is a fucking classic.

They went nuts in that. Where do you put it? I don't know. I think I'm going Saving Private Ryan with Pearl Harbor, though. Same. Yeah. I like Pearl Harbor. And I probably would actually watch Pearl Harbor before watching Savor Private Ryan if it was on.

But when you look at Saving Private Ryan, it's... It's a better movie than Pearl Harbor. Hot take, and I'm fine with the flack I'll give for it. I think the town is better than every Jason Bourne movie. I like Jason, don't get me wrong. I just, they're classics. I just prefer, I can watch the town. I'll watch the town on TV with commercials.

Jason Bourne, there can't be ads on a Jason Bourne movie, or I'm not, I'm not watching that. I'll watch the town with commercials. Yeah, that's how you know if a movie is really good. If I watch it with commercials. I watch Shawshank Redemption. which takes six hours with your shows. You're going to be there for two days watching that. Which I don't know is a hot take, but that's actually how I feel.

Also, Gone Girl? Underrated movie. If we're getting into the range of Ben, I don't know. Where does that put him over our guy Matt? Yeah. Me personally, I'm taking Ben Affleck. I think Ben Affleck is a better actor. But then you get into the Departed.

Departed Trump's. gone, girl. The departed or the town. Fuck. Departed. Really? No fucking way. The departed over the town?

They're both Boston. They're both crying, but they are different movies. They're different. No, yeah, no, I'm going to town. I'm sorry. I'm the town over the departed. Leo, Jack Nicholson.

No, no, no. Don't start. Jamal Anderson. Great line up, great cast. But we just talking about the movie. Mark Wahlberg. The town is... The town just has so much great, like, it's the perfect sequence of action where it doesn't go too over the top where this just feels like an unrealistic,

complete fucking mess. They picked the perfect moments for the action and dialogue balance. The Departed, though, like, Departes up there in a Scorsese list at the end of the day. Yeah. I'm still going to town. I'm sorry. I would, see, I would put the departed more so with something like the Ocean series because it has a cast of seven A-listers that you're dealing with. Like Ocean's 11, everybody's a superstar. That to me is more a comparison than the town is just a fucking underrated, amazing crime movie at the end of the day. They don't have the Departed as a classic?

It says other notables for Matt. The part is a fucking classic movie. All right, before we get out of here, I think we do have a voicemail. Spons about Boos. Mobile Unlimited. Let me to talk texting. Yo, what's up, Rory, Mall? This is D from Jersey.

I met you guys in New York one time. I gave you gold cards and Roy used it once. My guy. If you remember. Thank you, sir. If you have two artists that could do a joint album, a full project. Who would it be?

Random pairings, like I was surprised to hear how good Larry June and two-chain sounded, especially over Alchemist Beats. I would choose probably Dave or Central C to do a full project. That four-pack that they put out a few years ago was crazy. I'd like to hear more. Maybe a full project from them. But yeah, let me know. Two artists that you guys would like to hear on a project together,

think would sound great on the project together. Keep going. Peace. Thank you. We appreciate that. Yeah, it's a good question. And yes, thank you so much for those gold cards. It might be time to update those soon, right? No, no, they for life. Oh, yeah? I got two of them. For lifers? Mm-hmm. There's no date. There's no expiration date on that. I don't know where mine's is that. I had to find it. Before we answer this, though, I did have to use that a second time. Back to management. We were recording in a motel. the time in New Jersey just to just to get the feeling the cops were trying to do a some type of sting operation on prostitution that was happening in that hotel that we were recording in so it's

like three o'clock in the morning I'm about to drive back to my crib I pull out the lot of the motel I get pulled over immediately undercover cop two other cops come like what was you doing in there I was like nothing my friend is in there this and that They're like, well, you know, there's prostitution going on in there. I was like, I have no idea. It's a motel, naturally. I can assume that. So I gave him the gold card that this gentleman gave us.

My god sister married a cop in this town. I won't say what the town we were in. So that helped as well. But if I didn't have that gold card, the other goal card, like I had to go through three steps to prove to these cops that I wasn't fucking a prostitute in that motel. The gold card got you out of it. It helped. Because I didn't want to say like, yeah, I'm making anti-Semitic J Electronica music in

instead. They would investigate it further. That would have been a further investigation. Yeah, this is a good question. Can we change the parameters of in the moment? Like, not right now. Like, in 1996, would I have loved a Tupac Nate Dog album? Yes.

Oh, he's talking about artists right now. Well, I don't think he put too much rules on it. I was saying can we, like I would have loved Nas and AZ in 1998, 1999 for them to do a joint album. I would love to hear Jay and Nas album now. Like, both of them being... I told best of both casinos. I already titled it.

Yeah, both of them being where they had in their life right now, rich as fuck coming from the streets in New York. Like, I just think that storytelling would be amazing. That would only fall on who's producing it. Well, it always falls on the music. You know that. Like, of course I'm not doubting either of them. at this point in the careers.

That would be one of those that like only no ID should like deal with that. I don't want them to get a bunch. Don't hit Metro. Don't. Yeah. That would have to be one that no ID would have to take the reins on. Or if like a sane Kanye was around because there's no rules to this. Yes.

A sane Kanye West with no versus would be great to do that entire thing. Kanye West and 88 keys together would be the best Nas and Jay-Z shit with maybe one or two records from DJ Scratch. We got the Drake and Party album, which was great.

But what about a Drake and Bryson to that album? Yeah, of course I would want a Bryson and Drake project because I like both of them, but I think it's still, it wouldn't be that far away from what Drake and Party do. Because I think Bryson's sound

is definitely influenced from that era that OVO definitely kind of staple that. Drake and Brent? Yeah, Drake and Brent could be cool. But again, still very much influenced by that, that lo-fi sound that 40 kind of created from that time. I would like to hear Drake with a rapper. Who?

If we're going with the eras, I'm kind of mad that we heard him with a rapper. He just had an album with 21. Fair. Okay. That's fair. And it's fucking great album. I'm not saying that Kanye and Jay stole that idea or stepped on it,

but when Wayne and Drake were planning on doing their joint album at that time, with the shape that both of them were in, that would have been, like, that's what I would have liked to hear. And around that time, I wouldn't have mind Drake and Nikki at that time. Okay. That would have been fucking crazy. We talked about last episode,

I would have loved Kendrick and Cole at one point. I don't know if that's something I would care for now. You still wouldn't want it were? Of course I would want. Of course I would want two legends to do that. But I think they would have had more, less pressure and more, they would have been more creative. I feel like at that time when they were planning on doing it around the section 80 time,

high power time, like I wish that would have landed better. Okay. Hmm. I think ASAP and schoolboy would have been really cool around the time they were collaborating in like 2012. That would have been great. I should beans and kiss after their battle. Yeah.

Because wasn't that like, I don't know, I was just a fan at that time. Wasn't that kind of a rumor? You would know better than me. Weren't they planning on doing something after they pieced everything up? Yeah. Because I know there was the bleak in beans one that was already being worked on. So like Bleak broke his leg or some shit. They, um, I'm not sure if they actually got any records in on the project,

but I know that there were talks of them doing a project. And then just recently, I think they, they spoke that they're working together. Okay. That means it because, um, well, you know, they put out a joint with the AI shit. Yeah. But like, at that time, that would have been, I just, you know, think much better at that point in their careers. Mm-hmm.

Um, I mean, I can't feel my face. can can Juelles and Wayne just like leak the hard drive at this point? Yeah Who cares? Yeah Just fucking

We gotta hear that We get all these Untitled app You can upload music Like just fucking do that at this point We get all these leaks And we haven't heard much from that project Um

We never got the T-Pain and Wayne album Mm-hmm Or did we? No Sometimes they were They were leaked And like We kind of got them

No We didn't get a T-Pain Wayne album Okay No, I think we got one. A T. Payne Little Wayne album? Yes. T. Wayne. No, I think, I'm talking about when they were really working on it.

I think we got it years later. Yeah, we got it in 2017. And there's actually a few joints on this. I'm talking about, like, I don't know. Like, 2009 they were talking about the shit. When did this come out? 2017.

No, I actually do remember this. There's a few joints on there. Oh, this was like an EP. So it was eight joints, eight tracks? I don't remember this. Yeah. I'm going to sound like a huge backpacker. The Childish Gambino and Chance the Rapper collab was supposed to happen in like 2012.

That would have been crazy. It was all around 2012 when I was like, let's do collabs. Yeah. Fab, we got Freddie versus Jason, which I loved. Underrated project. Really underrated project. I'm trying to think what else. I don't know about any of these newer guys, though, collabing, though.

I don't know how I feel about it. I don't like much of these new guys by themselves, let alone collab with somebody. Is there any groups you would want to hear collabs from? One of the most disappointing things outside of Fife actually passing at his repass celebration, Andre 3000 spoke and said that they had been working on an outcast tribe collaboration. That makes sense. And it was like, oh, what the fuck? That makes sense.

What the fuck, man. Damn it, fight. Damn it. Damn it. Pancreous diabetes. Damn it. That makes sense. That makes all the sense of the world. You know, when I was younger, what I would have loved, Red Man and Buster Rhymes.

A lot of energy. Yeah. I just think that would just be a fun fucking project. And I think Red is just great in groups and duos. I'm trying to think who would I want to hit a locks with as far as a group? Like, I don't want to. I don't think I want to hear more, like, street shit from the other group. Like, I think I want a more artistic group, like, with the locks, though.

Like, the locks is grittiness, bars, and then, like, give me an artistic group with different sounds. Um, shit. Two and three. Okay. I mean, for us and peace to Nate Dog. Yeah. But if we're talking without limitations, Snoop Warren G. and Nate Dog would be kind of, Yeah.

You know who I'm most scared about in that entire group? You'd be surprised. As far as what? Rapping? Yeah. Snoop is getting eight up on that album. Oh, I mean, yeah, you told my. I'm not worried about Warren G.

Nadea. Snoop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And granted, you go through Dre 2001, Snoop has kept up with the best of them with rappers. I'm not saying he can't. Yeah. But he would be my biggest fear of like when he,

comes on like, all right, man, I don't know. Yeah, you can't two plus two, they can throw your way out of this one. Like, this is not, not after styles. And Snoop be fine in, like, these laid back pockets that sometimes sounds so weird when, yeah. Like, after a chic verse, I don't know if it's like, like, Snoop just chilling. Yeah. Big deal, though.

You can't spell your name more than once on that album, Snoop. You can't, we're not doing that. But not. I think, like, a dog pound two and three, something like that with the locks could be cool. I mean, again, super nerdy, but I'm just trying to think, West Coast. Far side could be really cool with the locks. That's interesting.

Yeah. A lot of the Bay Area groups that had the double-time shit, like I think they could be really cool with the locks. Far side with the locks, it sounds crazy, but like listening to it though, when you think about it? I'm not what I'm thinking about it. Like, really like listen, it's like, I'm not mad at that, though. Yeah, Far side.

It's definitely something you, like, on paper you would be like the locks and far side, but it makes sense. You know what wouldn't sound as crazy as people think it would? is mob deep and outcast. The sat like, I don't know. If you, all right,

if you listen to elevators, which is a lot of people's favorite Andre 2000 verse ever. Okay. Like those are kind of havoc snares at the end of the day. Like, I don't think the sonic,

so on music. Yeah. Okay. When it comes to the groups, of course, all these guys could rap together. I'm trying to think how their sounds would even merge.

Okay. I don't think it would be as crazy. Hmm. And I think they could keep up with more of the dungeon family stuff. Future Maxby? We need that tomorrow. Oh my God.

A future Max B joint, yeah. That would be incredible. Why has no one ever brought that up? I don't, I mean, maybe they have behind the scenes. That would be nuts. Yeah. I went back again and listened to that French and Maxby album. My bad friend.

There's some joints on there. No, French is still in shape, dude. There's some joints on there. French rap Like when French feels like rapping, oh rap Yeah I would understand if I was a prince I like the project

Of Dubai, I wouldn't want to rap But he's like Yeah You can tell when French showed up to studio Like today I feel like rap Yeah He seems like he's still interested Yeah

But yeah I'm not I'm not I'm not mad like their project I mean obviously French and Max Their chemistry is undeniable So yeah The more I listen to the project I'm like they really did a really Really good job with this

Would you ever want another firm album? Again, we're speaking as if everyone is here and active and everything. Another firm album? Yes. I mean, I love that Hip Boy got the firm back together. If they didn't have, it had to be the firm with CoreMEC. It had to be the original. Like, CoreMega has to be a part of that entire thing.

I don't know if I'd want Dre to produce it, though. Because I still can, I know the firm is not Dre, but the only firm album we got is produced by Dre. I know people think we hate the West Coast and it's the opposite, but I would want Dre to stay so far away from that album. Who would you want to produce it? Al. Yeah. West Coast. See? Safe. You can't, you can't. Safe. I see what you did there. West Coast. A lot of time on the East Coast. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, Allen hit. Together. Yeah. That was a collab project that was dope. Yeah. We still never got the Child Rebels, uh, Soldiers album at that time when they doing the Good Fridays, they put out U.S. Placers with

Farrell, Lupe, and Kanye. I wanted that at that time. That would have been. A lot of these just be like great ideas. You can tell the artist tried and then we know how this shit happens. But getting that many people on the same thing. Yeah, it's just, it's not easy. I don't think that's ever going to happen.

Beanie Segal and Scarface always wanted that. Because they even, I felt like that was like a Mac and Brad. I forgot what they had said something. like when blogs at first started, they was doing something, but I don't know, man. Y'all owe us these albums as fans. Yeah, stop what you're doing. Stop taking care of family and get in the studio.

Your health, this and that. Was there any albums that, I'm talking from a fans' perspective, was there anything like outside I was saying with like bleak and beans and kiss and it, like, was there anything that you heard in studios when you were younger of people just throwing ideas around that I can remember? No, not really because back then it was all, you know, once it was, once state property happened, a lot of the work was like in-house. And once Kanye happened, just like it just was that.

It became, you know, Jay, state property, you know, anybody else on rock. It was like that. It was really just that. It wasn't too many, like, obviously Jay was doing songs with other artists. But as far as like them doing like full projects with other people, no. Yeah. It wasn't too much. That I can remember, it wasn't too much talks of that happening.

I mean, I like that on Hart Part 6 that Kendrick admitted that he was the reason why the black hippie album never happened because he had other creative shit that he was going through. I mean, I know he's probably focused on his next project, but I do think we need a schoolboys in such a good, sober, healthy plays. Like, I think that needs. Sosol just put out incredible work. I want a black hippie project. Yeah, I would like to see the happen. And I get Kendrickson in a space with PG-Lang and this and that. I know there's business behind the scenes with TDE, PJ, like, that's going to be a thing.

But that would be nice just for, even if they do an EP, like six joints. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not mad. There doesn't need to be a hook. Like, pick six beats. Yeah. And just go.

Yeah. Like, not even overthinking it. Just, just, I think that would be a cool. like the way Kiss kind of snitched on Cole was saying there's probably going to be a mixtape that comes out before the album like before Kendrick's next album

two weeks before you just give us a black hippie EP like I think that that would calm my 2010 brain down of what you guys promised us so long ago this is what it would have sounded like back then yeah I'm not mad at that I feel like we can either table for

Patreon or another episode maybe we create some supergroups, like draft, because Black Kippey would be five. Four would be a good match. Four is a match. Let's do four. Let's do four.

Okay. And maybe we draft some super groups. That could be interesting. Because I think doing a bunch of, trying to make an all-star team may not work out. I think that'd just be good debating. Yeah.

Like drafting Big Pock, Nas, Hove. I don't know if that's the best four together. Yeah. That could be cool. Draft your super group could be common. Someone think about it. I ain't mad at that. Yeah.

And then that could go against groups. Yeah, that could be cool. All right, well, I have to get out of here. This was cool to catch up. Sorry, we did have a guest booked that had to cancel. Yeah, he had some issues that kept him in the studio today, but it's all good. It'll be back. Totally respect.

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