New Rory & MAL - Episode 447 | Day and Night

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

And we’re back ready to kick off our new era on Netflix. We recap our Sunday snowed in while deciding who will be our pod intimacy coordinator. Ye released a written apology to The Wall Street Journal, but Mal ain’t buying it. On the other hand, Rory gets that it’s all business. We’ve been had the debate if Jim Jones made Kid Cudi, but it went viral on the internet after Cudi had a few words for Jim Jones. Do we need to be humbled as New Yorkers, though? Plus, who we got in a Mike Will Made It vs Hit-Boy Verzuz, Rory was feelin’ Ari Lennox’s new album, and Chad Hugo suing Pharell leads to Rory educating us on royalty splits. #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Who's excited? You can never get this guy excited. Hey. We're on Netflix. We've seen the greatest of shows with this guy, live performances that blue. my mind and mall just not even being on Netflix does anything it's a very stoic it's my j prince right there i mean we do we do need to do a 23 me with you guys me and somewhere down the line there's some relative some relations for sure but yes welcome to our first episode on netflix well

our first new one because we did upload some older episodes just so people that were discovering the show could have an idea but we are here we have arrived we are here and in the the forest of k Netflix will never be the same. It will not. Will not. Should we read here for Netflix? Should we do, like, promote this the way they promote all, like, the new podcast of, like, they're going to say the craziest.

No one's safe. Yeah. When these guys get on the microphone. The culture will shift as a result. The tectonic plates. Yes. Nothing will be the same. But are we all happy to be here at our, on our new home.

Yes. Netflix. So yeah, man, let's get to it. Let's have some fun. Yeah. I have some unnamed champagne here. I'll keep the logo this way. But, you know, just I thought it was a nice, nice gesture. And on a snow day, too. I hope Netflix already were complaining. Alcoholics always need a reason to drink, don't they? I think being on Netflix is a pretty good thing. And I was sober through the entire snow experience. So nobody believes that. I swear to God. Nobody believes that. You think that helps? Like you think people like, yo, I put that on my mama.

You don't even talk to you. Yo, I sent Rory a tweet yesterday. That was the Netflix sounds, Zoom. Oh, okay. Was that close to it? No. No. I sent Rory that tweet yesterday that said,

it was a girl that said, I swear out my life. And the dude responded was like, bitch, you're suicidal. Swear on something. Yeah, like, you're on my mom, on my kids. You're going to be demonetized from Netflix.

Oh. Can we do that? I don't know. Keep it. Keep it. Listen, they, they rate people live on Netflix. It's in the scripted series.

Yeah, that is true. It's not live, though. There's an intimacy coordinator. I feel like we need an intimacy coordinator. Wait, what is the day? What do they do? So an intimacy coordinator is someone that goes on the sets of TV shows, movies, and things like that for sex scenes or like any type of like scene that if those two people.

Oh, okay. Yeah, like that would make people uncomfortable. Make sure the proper guidelines in place. Yeah, so they like place like balls and like little coverups in between nipples and like they make sure like... Cover-ups between nipples. When people are having sex on Netflix, Maul, they're not actually having sex.

So there needs to be covers between- the- Don't get that, but don't cover my nipples. What are you covering my nipples for? Not your nipples, well. Cover her nipples? Yes. For what? So that she's comfortable.

She's acting. I thought of Maul with pasties on and a sex scene is just funny. She's not really fucking. Like, she's... No, I get that part, but I'm saying she's, you don't have to cover the nipples for us to not, like, nobody thinks we're really having sex.

It's not about... We're not that good actors. But it's uncomfortable for the action. for the actor. Yeah, but we still see nipples, though. Sometimes, but it's not rubbing against... I've never seen a sex scene and did not see nipples. What?

No, there's yes. You can have scenes... I would say majority of sexes. Saw the boom and it was pasties on a nipple? No, it's not like that. It's like, okay. Like when they're hiding nipple purposely in the scene because it's not maybe R-rated.

They are covered by things. Like... No, I get genitalia being covered. I get that part, but I've never seen like a really good sex scene with... If I'm doing a scene and I'm laying... on my back and there's a man on top of me, there is something in between my erogenous zones

so that when he's rubbing against me, it's not uncomfortable for the both of us. Okay. All right, so we won't be watching that movie. You don't see it. You don't see it. It's for the actor. No, I can tell. I know a good sex scene versus a sexy where they had no chemistry. Those actors had no chemistry.

Those are the ones with the pasties and the erogenous zone blockers. I don't want to see a sex scene with the erogenous zone blockers. All right, let me try to say this respectfully because I have a lot of respect for Chloe Bailey. In that scene, in that show that went viral, it was pretty much the trailer to get us to watch him. Yeah. When he's blowing her back out and you see kind of her arch like the top of her cheeks, you don't think there was like clothes between them there?

They look butt-ass, but you can't. I know that. Okay. I'm saying that if a woman is. And she had paid like even though her shirt was off, she had things on her tits. You just can't see that. Okay. Okay.

All right. Maybe we're over explaining. No wonder they didn't get a... Mall. An Emmy. I doubt there's been any real... I think it's like a union mandated. You can't just have butt-ass sexings.

Roy, unless you're... These are not regular cups. This is for the beer pong. I clean them. Okay. Marison. Nobody's drinking that. Don't worry about it.

It looks just for the camera. Aradding his zone blockers. That's a celebratory zone blocker. So what would the intimacy counselor do for our show? Coordinator. Yeah. Because that hasn't made one of our sketches yet. They would like make sure.

Okay, it's so weird because we're on Netflix now and I'm like afraid like my aunts are tuned in. Oh, for sure. They're definitely much of us. All the crazy things I would say for the YouTube community. I'm over here like, you're afraid to say things on Netflix but not YouTube? Yeah, just because I feel like Netflix is for the like my aunt to them have Netflix. Like my mother has Netflix. My mother's not going to YouTube to watch this show.

Like it's just different. I don't know. It's so easily accessible. Yeah, I will say I went to my godfathers right before the snowstorm. And it was a bunch of adults there. And they were thrilled that it was on. I was like, oh, I can finally watch it. I was like, you do know YouTube was on your phone.

You could have like, no, I don't know how to do that. I can just go on my TV and watch it. Yeah. The adults were thrilled. Where your whole older family is going to see all the facts. things that you say. And you may want to hire an intimacy coordinator for times like this. For like times when mall is like asking me if I'm ovulating.

Like like I need an intimacy coordinator over here like are you okay? Like is that okay? Why though? Like this is I can't ask if you're ovulating. What's wrong with that? That's like a major that's like a normal bodily. Yeah, it's how the population continues. I understand. Yeah. I'm just you were concerned for the baby D. I'm on the side of if you're ovulating. I'm on the side of if you're Ivy Lane, if you're, you know, on your monthly out, listen, I'm one of those out.

You can take the time off. Like, I'm one of those guys. I can take the time off when I'm on my monthly since when. I've been on this podcast for five years. Since we're on Netflix. Since we're on Netflix. Okay. Okay. Baby D. If you're on your menstrual, you're on your cycle, just send me the app so I can track it. And then I will give you to, I have to be able to prove it.

They have to be able to prove it. I have to be able to prove that just, yes, she's owner. Even with the period apps, you personally submit that in there. Oh. They can guess them. No, but if she, but if she, but if baby, gives it to me now, I can kind of track it now. But what if she switches the birth control and it changes? She has to tell me that.

She has to tell me that. She has to tell me that. Okay. I have a lot. I have 10 days left until my monthly. Okay. So send me to the date and then I'll track it from there. And then one day if you come in like,

you know what? I'm cramping. I'm like, listen, I'll check the app. Yeah. Intimacy coordinator, right? Are you going to keep push notifications on? Yes, absolutely. I want to know when baby is ovulating.

Okay, cool. You're obvious. What is you going to put for that? In that app, you also track every time you have sex, too. So I don't know if you want to put your push notifications on. Every time you have, no, I won't get no sleep. I should have been going to. I'll be like, bing on, baby D.

Go to sleep. Baby D, go to bed. Baby D's added again. Yo, go. Yo, imagine I had push notifications. Oh, baby D was having sex. Yo, please. Guys, we're on Netflix.

We have to be professional. I know. Baby Dee like, yo, if you don't go take your own the ass to sleep, man, what's the role with you? It's a nasty collab calendar. Oh, man. Yes. We need it, though.

We need to know when Baby Dee's not feeling well. With all women, not just Baby D. All women, that should be a thing. You're on your monthly. You're not feeling women. You should be able to stay home, man. That's a natural thing. My favorite story of when a director needed a intimacy coordinator was Dane,

when he got sued. And I want to make it clear that Dane beat this case. They never say when Dane beats the lawsuits. He was directing a movie and he told a woman he was too uncomfortable to talk about sex with her and director that way. So he gave her a porno deep video and say, yo, go watch this. You know what I'm saying? Intimacy, what is it?

Intimacy coordinator. What you got to understand. The way Dave explained it. He was like, no, I was doing the respectful thing. It would have been disrespectful if I went to her like, I need you to suck like this, fuck like this to me. I felt that was too inappropriate. Watch this.

So I was like, yo, here you go. Like, do what they do on here. Do what they do. Go in the car and come back. Go in the car and come back. Go in the car and come back. go flick the bean come back let's get to the scene flick the bean get to the scene

how do you think you're doing a scripted sexy not really having sex like I've thought about that actually I was thinking about that last night underneath you somebody I wasn't attracted to wait yeah baby D she always shot if I'm at work I would want somebody I wasn't attracted to like I don't want my biggest crush that you know what I'm saying as an actor because then

you know it gets uncomfortable get real uncomfortable because it's real you might get an Oscar I can't turn myself off you might get an Oscar he might slip it in by accident see that's why that's why he needs an intimacy coordinator and counselor no that's essentially because she's into him is what I'm saying yeah I can't I don't think no I would rather somebody I'm not attracted to I've never explain that explain that because it's work it's the same thing where I won't want a podcast with somebody that I'm attracted to like it's work no I mean, like, no shade of y'all. No, shady y'all. No.

I think that is that. I just, what are you talking about? Why wouldn't you want to? Because if I'm like, if I find you cute and it, like, it's a distraction. Are you seeing what I'm saying? Because then I'm flirting. I'm not active. Like, with y'all, I'm actively like being funny, being a personality.

If I'm attracted to them, like, I'm like, I'm putting on my best. It's just, it's a distraction. I can, I'm an adult. I can have a conversation with a woman. Those two different things for, for sure. Like, I mean. Not every day. You want to be funnier maybe when you're sitting there, but that just makes for a better pod.

But I could contain myself from like really trying to flirt. Like, oh. Because I'm attracted to somebody. It's not even just, even if you, even if you aren't acting on it, it's a distraction. Like if I'm looking at Rory like, damn, yo, he looks so good. I'm distracted. I can't, I can't. But you piled for a living.

I feel like you could fight through the urges of how handsome I am. Every day. Oh, yeah. Okay. I was thinking more like, not a guest episode. No, every day. Oh, working with somebody every day that you really want to fuck. That's tough.

At that point, I would probably try to turn off that in my brain. Like, now it's, we work together now. Like, this is, we've decided this is never going to happen again because we work together. I'm, I'm going to say, I've dealt with that. Like, when I was working, like, I've had jobs with women that I was attracted to. But once you work with them for like, two, three months, you don't even look at them like that. Yeah, well, once you date some, once you get to know anyone, a crush is just a lack of information. So once you know somebody for more than three minutes, you'd be like, ah, nah, I understand why.

I can go both ways because you can have a crush on somebody and then once you really get to know him like damn I really like this person or they excuse me no go ahead or they can say something that will turn you off completely and you're just like you know what I'm like okay just we'll just put a beep there she was so hot it's funny that that's your she was so hot not if like hey do you have kids or like anything like that's that's the one that puts it over the edge yeah yeah sometimes getting it's yeah sometimes getting it's you're like you're like it over the edge yeah yeah sometimes getting what you wish for is the absolute worst. Like, have you even kind of, I don't want to say red flags, because that's, but just like a little annoyances in the first 30 days. You're like, we'll push through these. She's that bad. And then 90 days in, you're like, this is the most annoying bad bitch I've ever seen in my entire. I totally understand why nobody has stayed with her longer than a year.

Yeah. And then, but not only that, when you're working with somebody that's attractive, you first meet them like, damn, who's the new girl that just got hired you? She's bad. Because I've been through that. the homies go peek like she nice after like three months a couple conversations you like no that's that's that's angela man she you know what I'm saying she cute but it's just like that's angela like that's sometimes it works out remember those two news anchors that she lit on their spouses

and I think they're together now like sometimes that's your soulmate that's your twin flame sitting next to you yeah and they they probably figured that out on the air that chemistry showed up there that made them get like you know fuck my family yeah this is where I need to be like work and here You can't let your family keep you from a love of your life. Mm. I'm lying. More, more, a lot. No, that's from the book of Nygadamus.

I love that book. I read that. The amount of children that have grown up fatherless because of that theory and then ended up robbing us is the reason why you shouldn't do that. My own boy had a really cute girl that was working in his store. And the other day, I was like, yo, what's the cute? Because I hadn't seen her while. Every time I go visit, I'm like, yo, where's the girl that used to work? he said, nah, I fired it.

I was like, damn, what happened? He's like, yo, she called out one day to go protest. Isn't that, like, protected? Like, you can't fire somebody for that. Shit. I'm not on the mall side of what the protest is. We don't need me to put a name on the protest. A protest I support.

You can't just not go to work that day. You can't not go to work because you want to go protest. Protected. Protected. This job is protected. Yo, you realize. This company protected. All right, if that was the case, I could open up my phone and find a protest every day.

Every week I could find a protest. But I think that that's, I think that's different. And even that like, shit, in mid-2010s when the protests were going crazy, yeah, they got crazier after 6 p.m. Because people had to go to work. Oh, yeah. At will employment in most states like New York employers can fire people for any reason, including protesting.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I can see how I can get into the weeds of what you're protesting, this and that. But if you just be like, yo, I'm not coming into work because I'm going to protest. To me, that's an easy fire. It's like, I think there's companies that be like, hey, if you fully support this, everyone's going to take the day. We're taking a Wednesday off for all of us to go do that. If you don't want to do it, take the day off.

I could see that. But just somebody calling in like, nah, I'm going to protest. What's the first of the day? Oh, I mean, you have, first of all, you have sick days. Just saying this one. I never understood, like, when people like, even, like, for example, when me and my girls go on vacation and they like, yo, I don't know what I'm going to tell my job. Tell them, niggas, you ain't coming in.

I don't understand why you feel like you have to. give them an excuse, oh, I'm sick. Oh, I don't feel good. Oh, my grandmother died. I'm not coming in today for personal reasons, period. They don't have to ask you. They ask you, I don't, it's for personal reasons. So when they fire you, can they say we fired you for personal reasons?

They can't fire you for not coming in for personal reasons. They cannot fire you. They can have a personal reason for firing you. I mean, it's at will employment. You can fire me, but you better make sure that you cross your eyes and dotted your cues or whatever the fuck because I'm calling. I used to dot my cues. I mean, you kind of cross a cue is just an O. that's like halfway cross. They got to slash it or something like that. Whatever.

Because I'm calling them folk. If it's a one time thing, yeah, of course, like you can't ask somebody if that's not their character. Like they're not calling out or showing them late all the time. And they're just like, yo, I have some personal things going on. Cool. But if that happens all the time, you're getting fun. Well, yeah, but that's anything. If anything happens all the time. I know a lot of parents with some older kids that tell me they allow their kids to have a few personal days from school. Well, I think that is cool and important. And I'm a big advocate of mental health, put better help ad here. Life doesn't care about your personal days.

Like, are we preparing your kids in the right way? I think the real world does not care about your personal shit. I understand that, but it's not about them. And I don't want my kid to fucking implode and go nuts. I get it, but I'm still on the side of how I was raised like, no, you're going to school. The world don't give a fuck about your personal problems. Is that like working for you, like working through your mental health issues, coming to work

and doing everything you got to do? How's that working for you? What do you mean? You think you're like, okay? Or you think you could use some personal days? I could definitely use some personal days. I mean myself, I could definitely use some personal days. Yeah. And I think it's case by case basis of what happens in school because school can be a very dangerous, scary, full of anxiety type of environment for some kids. And I can identify and understand that. But if you cool and you just want a day off, that's not how the world works. No, that's fine.

And with me, here's the thing. The world don't work that way. We have to put these episodes up. I signed a contract. I have to do this because I said I was going to do it. And that's how the world works. So, yeah, even though I don't want to come in here on certain days, I'm shoveling my car out Monday morning with a Mars screaming or fucking head off in the backseat,

and I'm coming here. And all of those are choices that you made yourself. As a kid, you did not make the choice to go to school or be born. You actually have no say in any of that shit. You don't even get to choose what fucking classes you're taking when you're in middle school. So, I mean, me personally, I'm not going to, I feel like it's a kid by kid basis and a case by case basis. Like, because I know my kid going to wake me up one day. I'm going to go to school.

They're going to look at me and be like, my, I really can't do it today. And I'm going to look at them like, yo, we in the house. I can't do it again either. Like, whatever. And here's the thing. I'm not saying I even stand on either side with this because I do get in, listen, if Amara comes in her room in my room crying in fourth grade of saying like, I just can't do it today, You think I'm going to turn into a drill sergeant? No, my fucking heart is going to melt.

And I'm going to be like, just stay here. I'll hug you. But as my freshman football coach said every single time, if you quit during double sessions, yeah, it'll be easy. Nothing wrong will happen in your life. But it'll make the next thing easier to quit. And then you'll just start a fucking pattern of quitting when things are a little rough that morning.

And now you're just this fucking soft person. Yeah. That's going to sit there like, well, the last time I said I wasn't going into school, everything was fine. And then that just leads to you doing it all the time. And now you're a fucking dropout. And now you're sucking dick behind 7-11 for oxies. Exactly.

Because oxies make you feel better. You didn't want to go to school. So, I mean, I see both sides. I guess I'm asking everyone in the room what that balance looks like. That's all. I don't have the answer. My nephew has this new thing of where he says it's illegal. So, like, he told my sister, it's illegal for kids to go outside when it's 20 degrees.

Like, he thinks that's going to keep him going to school. but he don't know that it's illegal for the teachers to take them outside for recess. But he thinks it's illegal to just leave the house. Like this nigga tried all kinds of shit, not to go to school. Yo, it's illegal. Nicky, no. You're getting on that bus. You're going to be outside for 10 seconds.

Then get on a hot bus. You get off the bus and school for 10 seconds and going to a hot school building. Now, I respect that more than a mental health day. At least you're trying to work the system that's working you. Yeah. Yeah, he's like, it's illegal for kids. I see what he's trying to do. It's illegal for the real world.

To take kids outside for recess if it's below 35 degrees, I think, something like that. But he's thinking like, once he here it's illegal for kids, he's thinking like, oh, no, I can't even leave my house. It's illegal for me to leave the house. That's so cute. He tried to play that card now. That's so cute. Yeah, he'll be in school tomorrow, though. See, that would almost convince me.

Like, you made a good argument. You're wrong as fuck, but I appreciate the attempt. Yeah, that ain't working on my sister. That ain't happening. Oh, of course not. I feel like there's a balance. I feel like I would, I would, from the beginning of the school year, you get, you get two mental health days of school year.

To a school year. I feel like that's. But what are we doing during those mental health days? You play an Xbox? If that's what you need to do. You've had mental health days from school before? Well, back, I couldn't do that. My mother was like, go to school.

I just would skip. Like, you see what I'm saying? So, like, that's not something new that kids are just not. But why didn't you want to go to school? school though. There were times where especially middle school it's just so especially as a girl there's so much drama and just weird shit that's going on and people that are supposed to be your friends or talking behind your back and then somebody's messing with a boy they're not supposed to be with and when you're young you just feel everything so deeply. You don't want to go to school because people

are told behind your back just it could be anything when you're a kid shit just feels heavier like and I know that sucks but that doesn't change in the office that doesn't change in adults. That doesn't change in adult worlds. No, it doesn't, it does not change. And it sucks to say, but you kind of have to get not used to it or think it's okay, but get exposed to it so it doesn't affect you in a way that's going to cripple you as an adult. But shit like that goes on for a week, two weeks. If you take one day out of that two weeks, it's not like you're avoiding the problem. It's just like, yo, today I can't do with this shit. I hip check kids at the playground that even touch tomorrow. Like, I'm with you. If I find out that there's been a week that she's been bullied by the

same group of girls is yeah it's going to be time what's their last names yeah my address.com we find their parents and we're going from there bullying I would never let my kid run from no you're not running from bullying but when sometimes shit you're just overwhelmed like you got a lot of fucking homework you got all these fucking classes shit not going right with your friends you can you got sports you got that sometimes kids I get overwhelmed as an adult from dealing with a whole bunch of shit so when you're a kid and you got all of that going on it's not weird for you to get overwhelmed so I used to skip like I would skip a class or skip two classes and go put my fucking headphones on put on all the Drake rares from YouTube and sit underneath the steps with my headphones in and not going to the first two classes you was one of the weird girls I was like if I saw you sitting under a bleach I was weird all right what she doing not the bleak but like in the basement where the gym is like where nobody everybody everybody goes you know the art class basement shit like that yeah and just be have my hoodie on with my headphones is just being my own little bro but I mean of course there's stuff wrong with that but I don't think What I'm saying is what you're saying.

Yeah, I skip school all the time. And it wasn't to do progressive things. But I mean, it still was things that taught me about life. Like, I wasn't literally just being like, yo, I'm so anxious just so I could trick my mom so I could play PS2 for the rest of the day. Like, that's where I'm saying the mental health shit could just be used. And which is a perfect segue to yay, which we'll get to. But I mean, that's when I'm more on the side of. Like you're not about just because you don't feel like going to school that day.

doesn't mean that you're not going to school that day. Yeah. Well, I think that that makes sense, but your kids know how to manipulate you. You know how to manipulate your parents. I knew how to manipulate mine. Work the system. Yeah. Like your kids know how to manipulate you.

So you can say my kid won't be able to get this or get this one off, but your kid will be able to get one off. And as a parent, you just got to learn to deal with that. I mean, I think it's not even your kid getting it off. I think you know when your kid is trying to be slick. And sometimes as a parent, you just be like, you know what? All right, you can stay home. But you know what they're pulling.

You know, they're not sick. He's like, yo, you just had those days where kids just don't want to get it. You've had those days. You didn't want to get up, get dressed, go to school, like, he just was tired or whatever. But you weren't sick. Like, I used to start playing, I don't feel good. I feel great. I just didn't feel like getting on the train going all the way to Harlem and going to school.

I didn't feel like doing that. But I wasn't sick. I wasn't at home coughing and had a fever and none of that. I just, I'm like, damn, I got to go to school. Especially days like this going to school? It's cold outside. It's nasty. outside, I'm like, man, this is for what?

But then I noticed that it be times where you feel like that, you go to school before you know the school day is over. School really isn't that bad. School is, I used to enjoy school when I was a kid. So school is fun. Some days it ain't, but school is usually fun, especially if you like learning. But what days of school not fun? Like, what was it about that day where it was like school didn't feel fun today?

It was probably something petty. Like you when one of your home girls was beefing about something, I wasn't speaking. Yeah. But when you're a kid that feels so much. much bigger. You liked, like he, you saw him holding another girl's hand in the hallway, like, the other period. Like, now a sudden, this week sucks. It's like, no, it does. Like, this week is fine. Like, you just are upset about something. And as a kid, you don't know how to handle your emotions and things like that. So you run from it. I don't want to go today. I'm not going to school. Why?

I don't feel good. That's not. That's not why. That boy didn't call you back or he's, he's flirting with another girl or you don't want to deal with that. And I think as parents, we, you know that. Because you dealt with it, right? And then when it's your turn, you have kids, you know like, oh, okay. And that's when you have the conversation with your kid, like, yo, so what's going on? What's going on in school? What happened? Because you know it ain't that they're sick.

Your kid is not sick. The kid is fine. They just don't feel like dealing with the social aspect of being in the school today. That's what it is. Now, I can't see. Before you get to that, Rory. I got to tell you something. We're back.

We're back. We're talking about boost mobile, unlimited talk, text, and data. Perfect segue. I don't know what it's like to be in school now with a phone. I can assume a lot more weird bullying, weird drama shit. Oh my God. I wish I had a smartphone in high school. Are you kidding me?

I don't know. I had a smartphone. Maybe I would need a fucking mental health day if I had a smartphone in junior high and high school. Like, yeah, maybe I would have needed one because this is, I can't even escape all the way to midnight. I'm able to talk with everybody that I go to high school with. So they want to take the, they want to take the phones out of. I mean, but I could. we were talking.

We had aimed. Don't get me wrong, but come on. When I was in high school, Facebook was big. Then and now. Facebook and Twitter were big when I was in high school. We had MySpace and Facebook, but like it wasn't, like we didn't live and breathe it. No, we lived and breathe Facebook when I was in- I envy kids being in high school now to have like Instagram and shit.

Nah. I wish I had that. No, I don't. Imagine if I had a smartphone and in between classes, I get to interview kids in the school, by how they're feeling? Like, I would pod in between classes, like real quick, three minutes. It's like, yo, so how you felt about that last class? You jacking the teacher?

You jacking the teacher? I would be lit and high. I don't know what, like, social media. If I had it, I'm out of it. You've been doing, like, teacher recaps for the underclassman. Yeah. Like, you could go back a year to CEO. I took the same class.

Look at all my reviews. Yeah. Give you a teacher reviews for the day. Well, they have that. Well, it's mainly in college. Rate My Professor.com because I used to use that. But these, you have to understand these kids. From what I see, my friend's kids, my ex's daughter, like,

they have so much pressure on them because, for example, the girls have, it's just too much access. So now these 18-year-old girls, 17-year-old girls don't look 18, don't look 17, they got bust on weaves. They out here wearing the same shit that we're wearing. We got the same fashion over fucking outfit on. And then the little boys that are competing with them are competing with these niggas that are playing fucking college hoops because everybody has access to everybody. Everybody feels like they should look the way that everybody else looks on Instagram.

there's no blurred lines of this person is an adult and this person is a teenager. It's very weird for them. The kids are coming home asking poor kids, not regular kids, like, not like well-off kids. Like, poor kids. We from the hood. These little niggas is asking for Mary's for their birthday, for their 15th birthday for high school. What?

Why you want $1,000 jeans? Y'all all competing. Like, why are you? That's weird. It's very, very weird. They don't know. It's like two pairs, black jeans, blue jeans. Yeah.

That's what you got. That first. That better last for the whole year of school. The old schools, beef and broccoli What was the first day of school shoes? Old schools, beef and broccoli. Beef and brooks on the first day. What's the old school?

Here, Jordans. What's old schools? Old school. White on whites. Air Force ones. That's what I call them. We call them old schools in upstate. That is crazy.

They was uptowns or eight ones. That was always old schools. Old schools? Mm-hmm. That's crazy. I've never heard that before. White on whites are old schools. I didn't even notice that that was upstate slang until you.

I just didn't know. what I was talking about. Old schools. I've never heard Air Forces be called old schools. And how cold is it in Syracuse that on the first day of school? You were wearing beef and brocks. We used to, they used to wear that shit like it was cool. Like it was like, I love beef and Brock. Like you didn't, there was no snow on the ground. Niggas just put beef and brooks. Their, their version of trying to steal beef and brooks is these. So, but the first day is cool. We got Monclair, um, sneaker slash boots on. I like these boots. Good boot. Yeah. I mean, there's elements outside. Run from police. Yeah. Jump over snow banks.

Yeah. Before we get to, uh, Kanye taking his mental. Health Day from school. How did you guys handle, handle the snowstorm? Because DeMaris was talking like we was locked up for a week. I had to remind her that the snow day was 12 hours. I know, but I ain't left the crib since Thursday when we recorded. I think because of your health scare, you were already like locked up. And then you had a day of freedom and then parole came. I'm locked up. Yeah. You had to go right back. Yeah. And like I was telling Rory, I'm like, yo, I love being single. Like being single is for me. But when all your home girls is like, they locked in with a nigga and you just in the house.

I was in the house rocking like this. You can only watch so much long-order. Like, you can only deal with so much rape. So I'm just sitting up there like. But that's why you got to get off a law and order and watch something else. You can't be watching a law and order and you're locked in the house. That's torture. That's a snow day special though.

That is low-order and mental health a sick day. You just watch Law & Order. But like three to four days, I was in there, man. I was just cooking random shit. Like, shit don't even go together. Why am I boiling apples? Like, I'm just doing shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like, yo, I did the same. fucking thing. I made wings in the crock pot early so they could cook for like six hours for the second game. And then I bought all this food for no fucking reason. I started making bolognaes and my dad is like, wait, we got chicken wings over here. You about to make bowling. I was like, I'm making everything. You're just putting shit together today. Grocery shopping was dumb. I was like, I bought these groceries and I cooked breakfast. That was it. Everything else, I was just like, you're damn. I have nothing to eat. And I was just looking at shit in the fridge. Like, bro, I did.

did an Instacar order. My original Instacar order was $120. My final receipt was only $45 because nothing was available. The nigs ain't have avocados, green beans, green peppers, sliced cheese, sliced turkey. I said you niggas went crazy. Wait, what day was this? This was Saturday morning.

Oh, no, you're a rookie. I know. You're supposed to Friday, Thursday, Friday, you're supposed to get that. I know. Saturday morning? The apocalypse is 12 hours away. You're supposed to get that days before.

You wait until 12 hours left before the apocalypse. Nah, it ain't going to be nothing on the shelves. My home girls, Mitch and Major, shout out to Mitch and Major. I told them Thursday, I'm like, yo, listen, y'all better get some groceries because it's going to be, you know what I mean? Sunday is going to be rough. Y'all ain't going to be in a house or no good. They're like, it ain't going to be nothing.

They always say that I'm like, all right. Guess who FaceTime me together Sunday afternoon? I don't agree. So I ain't got no groceries. I'm looking at the phone. I told you all Thursday, go get groceries. Everybody thought this story. Pee's was another way like, nah, this storm was weak.

It is weak, but everybody else, perception is everything. Everybody else acted like it was the worst shit in the world, so now groceries ain't available because everybody took it. Like, everybody went great. No, the storm wasn't weak, though. That was a legit snowstorm we got. Yeah, but it wasn't that bad. What?

I'm from upstate. That was nothing. If I could, like, today I was able to walk outside, it's not that bad. Well, that's because they do a great job of, you know, shoveling the sidewalks and things like that. But it's a lot of snow outside. For this era. Yeah. That's a lot of snow.

For the last four or five years, yes. This was a lot, but back to kids that take mental health days. It was fine, dog. Like, it really wasn't that crazy. Yeah. This used to be a very regular thing, but. I was happy that happened on a Sunday. Did they get Chinese food, Major in them?

Because, I mean, they'll deliver. I don't know what they. They deliver food to me during Hurricane Sandy. Well, Major had food from Saturday that she ordered and didn't eat. So she ate that Sunday. So she had to live like a fugitive for. for 24 hours, but I'm sure she's fine. Do you, I mean, I know not now.

How do you decide who your companion is going to be for the snow day when you're single? You don't. You do what you've always done. She comes through that night and when you wake up, she snowed in? No, you're setting up for the, no, no, no. If a girl came to see you Saturday, she knew she was staying with you all day, Sunday.

Fair. A woman knew she was not leaving your house. But if you're like, somebody like, P's like, He's like, no, that's going to be fine. I'll just leave in the morning. Because there's been times with inclement weather that I went to somebody's house like, I leave in the morning.

And then there was no way I was leaving in the morning. A lot of rookies. I would never do that. It's learning experience. I would never go to a woman's house planning to leave the next day when it's supposed to be a snowstorm. If I go to a woman's house

and the day before a snowstorm, I plan on staying there through the snowstorm. There's no, I'm stuck here. Yeah. I'm not stuck nowhere as in a grown man. It's not happening. All right. So you did Adolo.

Dollo, watch the games, chilled in the crib. That was it, man. I had food. I had some hot cocoa. I was good, man. That's cute. Yeah, that was it.

All right. You vegan, so it was with water. That's nasty. You got me twisted. You think I drink hot chocolate with water? Yeah, what else would you do with? Oat milk, Rory. Oh, my bad.

Same thing you put in your coffee. Yeah. That is vegan. Yeah, old milk makes it pretty much. You always got vegan. Water. You're carrots. Carrots is funny.

Fuck up. Oh, carrots. Oh, carrots. He ate carrots all day Sunday. I didn't think, I didn't think you were Rudolph. I just, you know. No, y'all be acting like, yeah, old milk. Y'all never had. It's actually the only milk. I've had it. I've had it with old milk.

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I just think it took out a long-ass ad in the Wall Street Journal. Starting out with to those I've hurt. And I mean, I'll save everyone for the time. For the most part, he suggesting that after his accident that we all know started through the wire, he said that that damaged his frontal lobe, which could have, you know, led him to further diagnosis of bipolar disorder. Doctors were telling me he had, you know, small signs of autism to begin. But he was suggesting that this went. undiagnosed and untreated, and it led him to hurt a lot of people.

It led him to loving the swastika. Who owns Lexus? Because I know Kanye hit his face on the steering wheel of his Lexus when he got in a car accident. I'm just curious how that landed on a swastika. Well, because he probably hit the Lexus logo. And then it kind of. Yeah. It was kind of like how you reverse the Chad GBT logo and it turns in, never mind.

So yeah, he was apologizing for a lot of his behavior over the years. He understands that he's hurt a lot of people. He went into a long, long description of what bipolar is and how it's diagnosed and how the doctors that he had suggested that that wasn't the case. And now his wife, after he hit rock bottom, suggested that he gets some more help. And I think now he is fully accepted that he does have bipolar type one. and he wanted to apologize to everyone the week before bully comes up. Stop. So y'all don't forgive him?

No. No. See, I want to see what y'all going to say because everyone cares about mental health. Tell us time to care about mental health. What's up? I like this because I think every white actor that has lost his fucking mind of drugs, done some wild shit on Hollywood Boulevard, always has their moment when they sit down with fucking Diane Sawyer and like, yo, I was going crazy.

He had mental health and we all wrap our arms around them and love them. No, we don't. White actors are allowed to have fucking mental breakdowns and then get right back to the place they were supposed to be. No. I have been on this pod saying millions of things I disagree with Kanye West about. That's not true. But now I'm saying why can't he get the same luxury as as fucking other people. That's not true because if that's the case, nobody forgave Mel Gibson for his rent.

He was just on Joe Rogan where everyone was like, yo, it's got a profit. That don't mean. That don't mean. That don't mean. That don't mean people forgave him and wrapped their arms around him. Nobody forgave Hulk Hogan. He's still a racist. Well, he's dead.

He probably has more reason to have CTE and concusses than anybody. He's been getting body slams to 70. If you don't think people forgave Hulk Hogan, who? Hulk Hogan never had a down point in his whole career. Nobody forgave Hokeg. Never once did it. Bro, when he died, when he died and people was posting about him on social media, there were people clowning people for that.

Like, oh, y'all are really sad. Okay. Social media is not a real place to what you're saying. It doesn't matter what people are saying. Where did he ever take a loss in fame, money, jobs? Never. His career only went up. Never.

The more videos we got of him cucking someone else's wife and using the N-word, I think he got another WWE deal. No, I don't think so. I don't think after that, like, well, he was probably already done wrestling. He was definitely done wrestling. No, no, no, I mean, like, he kept working. He was still the face of what wrestling was. He did commentating stuff.

Like, Hulk Hogan never went away. No. He had reality shows. He had. There's no commentating. What are you talking about? Yeah, like, what are you talking about, bro? Because he's a heel.

You guys don't understand the game. No, you don't understand the fact that people did not forgive him for that. You really think Hulk Hogan was canceled? People, you came on here and said nobody was canceled. Yes, yes. I don't think so. People were mad that people were saying rest and peace to Hulk Hogan. Okay, but, okay, so here's this thing.

Here's this thing. Negativity tends to be commented, right? People don't comment good things. They only comment bad things. So if you go on a comment section and it's full of bad things, it doesn't mean that people only think bad things. It just means that people who have negative opinions, more likely to comment.

That doesn't mean that nobody forgave him. That's not true. There's plenty of people. I'm sure some of his hardcore fans gave him. The majority of his heart. Look at Hulk Holger's audience. They don't care about him being racist. He was never forgiven for that though.

And I'm talking about our community. He was never forgiven for that. Okay. That's in our community. But he probably had, he probably had some frontal lobe injuries. He probably had concussions. I'm pretty sure he could have used this same excuse of I hit my head and my frontal load was damaged.

He could have, but everybody has. always known that Kanye's family has been coming out and saying that he was bipolar for years and that he needs to take meds. He was the one fighting against it. But people have come out forever and said Kanye is bipolar. He needs to take meds. That's not like this isn't a new like thing. None of this is new.

Yeah. His mania. Even 2015, he was doing stuff with Stone Cold Steve Austin as WWE tough as enough that he was a commentator on. Like he's, he kept going. He was a judge. He was a judge on the sixth season of this. Yeah, you can't get canceled when the, when by this, by yourself fan base.

So Hulk Hogan can't be canceled by black people. Like that's not his main fan base. Kinez, just the same thing like Kaini can't be completely canceled by white people. Like they, white people, if all white people start hating Kineh, it doesn't mean that Kanye's canceled. Kanye came from the black community. We brought him up and pitched him. So it's up to us to cancel him.

And we did not do that. We tried. We fake tried, but we never collectively came and cancel Kanye. Like, Kanye was not really canceled. Oh, you can be canceled. When you wake up and see that B ain't in your account no more. That's canceled. That's the only cancel what I can't about.

Okay, what you niggins are social media. Well, I'm curious because you said, I wake up and that B is gone. Oh, I've been canceled. You've said for years on podcasting, which I've agreed and been stand corrected a lot of times with you. Like when we went to the Daniel Caesar show in an arena, you've said nobody has ever been canceled. Like, you can't really get canceled. Holpogan was not canceled. I will say, I'll say your fans don't cancel you.

Okay. People that supported you, whenever you see somebody being canceled or people calling for somebody to be canceled nine times out of ten, it's somebody that never even supported them. It's never your fans because if you say something right now, Rory, your fans, not on Netflix. But not on Netflix, but your fans probably know the context. They probably know, you know, what you mean. Yeah.

I don't know if they support you. They know you, they follow you. Now, somebody that don't know. No, you know, Father, they just hear something here, a clip. They were like, oh, what is he? Oh, he's canceled. They don't know you. They don't know the tone.

They don't know the context. They don't know, they don't get your humor. So when you see people trying to be canceled or calling for somebody to cancel, find somewhere where they ever even supported who they were trying to cancel. Yeah. No, that's why I said I stand corrected when you've said that before. So that's why I'm going with the same logic that you have here. I don't think Hulk Hogan was ever really canceled.

I think when he died. there was people on Twitter that were mad, especially at black people that were saying rest of peace to him. But I don't think that equates to him being canceled, per se. And Kanye, for the most part, if you were to have a definition of it, yes, it would be him going on drink champs and saying, I could say anti-Semitic things and Adidas would never drop me. And then Adidas dropped him the fucking two days later.

Right. Yes, that's avert, but not all of us have access to things that can really be canceled, more or less. Right. I don't have a billion dollars. And if a company has the ability to take that away from me, you kind of just fucking canceled me. But Kanye, in his own right, despite even the insane things he's done,

is an extremely creative and smart guy. So even if you take a billion dollars from him, he's going to find a way to make more money. He's not a fluke as far as creativity. No, no, no, he's talent. His talent is legit. So why this, why this now? Do we think this is something that he actually feels?

Well, that's what I was going to say. The one thing that I don't like about this, the whole ad or page in the Wall Street. All of this is performative to me. If Kanye, because I don't, I think we all know in this room, Kanye did not write none of this. We know that. He approved it, he read it and said, okay,

put it out. Those are not his words. Now, he's admitted to ghost writers before. Now. I think Rhymefest, their consequence wrote this. I think that. That wasn't a shot. If he felt like this, right? If he felt like this, if this is indeed,

why won't he just say it? He can go live on his social media. he can put out a post a video and just saying like, yo, listen, I got help, you know, whatever, whatever. This and then the belly, the bully album coming up, it's just performative. This is just promo. This feels like promo.

It feels performative. It feels like, you know, because we know Kanye, and we know that when he does this, it's using because he's getting ready to sell us something. So now it's like the boy who cried wolf. I don't look at this and be like, damn, yay. Like Damara said, we've been kind of saying these things about Kanye for years. Like, yo, is he all right?

He seems to be, you know, his emotions all over the place. Like, is he okay? Like, he needs to get help things like. So, yes, we've been saying these things because we're watching it. And we're, from our lens, it looked like this was somebody that we once knew. And then now this is a whole different person. Something seems a bit off about this person. Cool.

Now, if this is, in fact, true and all that, first of all, we hope that he's getting the help that he needs. We hope that, you know, physically that he's getting better and taking care of itself. I don't think that he should be in a state like this. and, you know, jumping right back into putting out music because now you have to, you know, you have to travel, you have to perform, you have to do this, you have to do it. And it's like, okay, but now you're putting mental and physical health to the back burner of the rigorous grind of, I have something to sell,

I have music out, I have to perform, I have to be away from family, friends, you know, doctors or whatever. Like, take, if this is really what it is, take the time to address this, get better because now, cool, all these words are said. We read this beautiful Wall Street ad and all it is. What happens if a month from now we get another rant? And after the bully album is out and, you know, we all hear it and love it or hate it. What happens when we get the next rant?

Yeah. Like, then what is it? Like, you know what I mean? So that's why I'm just like, I get it. But to me, Wall Street. add and all. It just feels a little, a little stage, a little performative. So I know he did a interview with Justin LaBoy again, which by the time we're recording this, I don't think it's out, but I did see a clip yesterday that he was talking about bully being very positive. He felt like it's his

miseducation as far as every bar mattering. There's nothing wasted there. It is all about positivity. He said it's more like his Narls Barkley type of album. than it would be 808s because 808s even had heartbreak in it. It was not negative per se. But there's, I mean, even if you get into the depths of 808s and where that even goes with the devil,

it's dark tones. He's saying this is very much as positive and happy moment. And then the next day he puts this out. I'm with you, all of its performative because he's trying to sell us something. But what's wrong if artists do that? Like even when Frank Ocean, even when Frank Ocean came out and said,

yo, I'm as an excuse for your actions. I don't think mental health gives you an excuse to be an asshole, but it is a conversation to be had. And I think Ye has been a habitual line crosser with all of that. And I'm not here to defend Kanye in anything that he has said, even with the excuse of mental health, because he clearly did ignore it,

even when the people around him were trying to tell him. But if you get into bipolar, this and that, doesn't change anything. But some acknowledgement here, this is the most humble we've ever seen, But I'm with you. I don't think he wrote a word of this. Yeah.

It's the most humble. We don't even, he didn't write this. Exactly. This is the most humble. He didn't write that. What are you talking about? Some people can feel a way and not know how to articulate their thoughts, right?

Some people just suck at articulating their thoughts we've seen from people in this room. And sometimes when you're trying to explain yourself and you're not good at it, you make shit. Kanye is very good at articulating his thoughts. Maybe. Probably one of the best people ever. You can be good at articulating your thoughts in a rap about a subject. No, no, no. It wasn't no beat on when he articulated some of these thoughts.

There was no music playing. What I'm saying is when you're talking about something that's sensitive to you that you're still dealing with inside yourself and I'm not making excuses for Kanye, just generalize. It can be, we come on this podcast and talk about shit every day. Shit just fly out our mouth. We're witty. We're funny. We're quick.

When we're talking about something that has affected our lives, we ruined our lives. I've ruined my family. Yeah, my words don't come out as smoothly. So I might need some help. I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. I'd rather him do that than to go sit in front of. of a computer and let his, his thoughts and his mouth run away with him. And then he says something in the wrong way. And it's our, it's articulated wrong. People take it the wrong way. So they write it

up how they want it to be heard. No, he went and got a professional. This is how I feel. Can you make this sound good? I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. I don't think it, I don't think it makes it any less sincere. That's going to, that's called PR. Yeah, that's publicist. That's what they do. And even with this Justin Levoith, it's going to come out probably on his channel or whatever the last few ones did. They have the edit button. Like he can go on a rant and then they can, you know, Justin the boy would be like, oh, damn, like, they'll, they'll find a way to cure it. So I don't think that's bad, but I'm asking if you think this is from a genuine place or is this now, because Kanye becomes the theme of every album, if you've

noticed, and I'm not trying to do the Kanye nerd thing, but Yeez-Zus, he became that fucking brash, insane person for that project. My Beaud with Dark Swiss of Fantasy, he became the cool swab, we only wearing suits. He becomes what the album is. He's a manic fucking artist. because bully is supposed to be so positive, and now he's sitting with Justin Lebois saying it's his miseducation, is this just a rollout or is this really where his brain is at? It's a rollout. It's a rollout.

It could be a mixture too. It's his rollout. You've never seen Kanye apologize for a fuck thing he's ever said. What? Kanye be out here apologizing for shit that he say? Yeah. He's apologized before. I'm sure he's up.

We've all apologized before, but Kanye has never- This is just the latest. Kanye has never taken full accountability for his. his mental health and the horrible shit that he said in the way that it's affected people. Now, I will say you're right there. He's never directly, you know, attached it to mental health and the car accident and frontal lobe damage and all of that. I think, no, I think the frontal lobe damage shit.

I think that's a cop-out. Me personally, I think that that's a cop-out. I do believe that. You want to know why I think it's all a cop-out? Because if we roll a tape back when he did the whole gotcha, it seemed like you know exactly what the fuck he was doing and saying then when you hit this with the gotcha moment, when you lost all that money, it was like, oh, God, I told you they control everything. Look, they took all my money.

It was like he knew he was very aware and cognizant of what he was doing and saying. I'm doing this on purpose to show y'all, yes, they run everything. Watch when I start saying this. Watch they take everything from me. Gotcha. And right to Maul's point, I did want to say. That's very calculated. Frontal lobe clears the motherfucker there, though.

Is this another version of, because I think, again, not trying to be the yeas of genius, I'm not saying that. He wanted to see what it was like to be fucking canceled. He knew what he was doing and everything that he was saying with everybody. Cameron said on his podcast, I was just with Kanye. He's not crazy. What he's putting on that camera? I don't think Kanye's crazy at all.

I think Kanye got to a level where he thought and forgot his place. You're still a black man. You don't control this. Yeah, you're very talented, talented, creative. You can create anything and sell it. Yes. But don't get it twisted. you're still a black man in America, bro.

There's still a pecking order here. So you have to still walk a certain way, talk a certain way. You can't just be out here doing insane whatever you want because you sold a bunch of sneakers for Adidas. I agree with that. You can't do that. No, you're bugging on you. No, that ain't how to.

Michael drug sold a shit ton of sneakers from Nike. Mike ain't never said what Kanye is saying. Republicans by sneakers too. He played it. But quickly. Republicans by sneakers. Yeah. I think Kanye was actually pretty lucid.

even with a bipolar brain lucid in what he was doing with everything he said after drink champs with the anti-semitic stuff, is this still part of that experiment to see what it is like to get out of being canceled? Is this, is he literally doing because he brings up the Truman show all the time? See? All he does is bring up the Truman show. That's what happens when you, everything you do bipolar brain though. No, no, 100%. And that's what I was about to bring up. I'm like, you guys are describing, hey, he wants to feel like what it's like to be canceled and then climb out of the cancellation. shit. That's bipolar manic shit. He brings up the Truman show his whole career and you can even, he talks about with a bipolar brain, how it can feel like that without bringing up the Truman show. Is this his version

of getting out of that? Like, let me say all the right things and in a time when we've cared about mental health more than any time. It's been an excuse for everybody. Anytime anyone crashes out, can't do nothing. Oh, it's because of mental health. So now he can take this time to prove his fucking point in an experiment in his bipolar brain that, oh, I'll just say all the right things. He even said with some of the bully clips before the Justin LaBoy shit, I'll just go back to doing the soul shit. They'll be back. I'll just say all the right things. I'm just saying that's a very, very thought out process.

You have to be on a certain clear-headed consciousness thinking level to be able to think that far and come up with a plan and then execute that plan. Now, I'm not saying Kanye doesn't have some mental health issues or some mental health things you need to address. I'm not saying that. I would never write that off. I'm just saying with all of this, the Wall Street ad and all of this. And, you know, you can't expect me to be like, oh, okay, well, then I totally understand that.

That's like, no, I get it. I'm not saying he don't have mental health issues. But what's going to happen after all of this ad and the bully come out and then we're back to another rent? That's if it happens. You're talking about in the future. We don't know if that's going to happen. You can only speak on what's going on right now

that you've already seen. Let's play the odds here. What are the odds that he is going to have another rant? So I think there is there. There's definitely an odd that he will have another ramp. But at the same time, he's about to have a whole interview. If he has another rant, it doesn't take away from what he said. If I'm bipolar and I'm manic and I'm in the process of ruining my life and then I get

our meds and look back and be like, oh, fuck y'all, I ruin my life. Let me come out and apologize for it. It doesn't mean that I'll never be manic again. It doesn't mean that I'll never make another bad decision again. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, what is all of this for, though? What is the ad and all? That's so back to what I'm saying.

It just feels performative. It feels to as part of the whole, you know, the whole thing. And that's possible. That's a, you're probably right. But I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt because anybody else get the fucking benefit of the doubt. I mean, that's what I started with. We've seen this with so many white actors and people have lost their fucking minds.

They never got any second chances after they pulled moves like this, where they got the whole PR team to tell them exactly what to say. put them in front of the right person. And now we're like, yeah, you can star back in movies. You're fine now. You're like, listen, you were in Hollywood. It was crazy. Black people have not really gotten that luxury when they've had mental breakdowns.

That's kind of been specifically for the rich white. So, yeah, I mean, if they can do it, why can't, yay, post something in the Wall Street Journal and do the same PR move that everyone else does. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I'm just saying me as a person just looking at this, this just feels. too as part of the play. Which, again, I think a couple of things can be true, but separating from Kanye,

do you think this is wrong for artists to do in general? Not take advantage of mental health. And again, I think that's a great area with what Kanye's doing right now. Down to the Frank Ocean, announcing he's gay on Tumblr right before Channel Orange. A lot of artists, the only time they want to speak is when they're putting out their music. They speak to their music. They have to promote it. There has to be a rollout.

I kind of hate when artists get that flack like, oh, you're doing this for the rollout. Everything's a rollout. This for the rollout. A lot of artists up until the TikTok era did kind of mind their fucking business. I know there was the DVD era, the blog era, this and that, Instagram, whatever.

But for the most part, artists say the biggest things when they're trying to sell something. Why wouldn't you? Yeah. Like what? Y'all are going to tear me apart. What's wrong with it?

And a lot of times a lot of artists with the things they have to say ends up feeling okay to say after you record an album that has to do with the themes and the subject matter of what you're getting at. Even down to like, this song that is one of the funniest things you said that when Forrest Gump came on from Channel Orange, he was in the shower and you almost wrapped yourself around the curtain.

Delete. Turning that shit off. But who's to say that Frank didn't feel better about coming out after writing that song? like sometimes that can empower somebody to say certain things about what is happening so yeah do i think there's a lot of artists that are calling paparazzi or fabricating making up these drama things like oh we have to just get the internet talking when i sell something of course i'm not stupid but i do give a little bit more flak two artists like frank conier to a degree because conier kind of is the reason we're all here with these dramatic rollouts but sometimes that's the

only time they want to speak. So if, and if I have to sell something and I'm not a marketer, I'm an artist, I sit in the studio and make music. I don't know how to market. The only thing I know how to do is be myself and talk about what's going on in my life. And I don't want to do that with y'all until it's time for me to come out of my hole, which is in the studio. That's the time I'm going to get on every one of these platforms and speak. But the only problem I have with that is the algorithm. Everybody's playing the algorithm game. Have no choice. How do you get into the algorithm? How do you get to the top of the algorithm? And we know that the algorithm rewards negativity.

That's what makes it to the top of the algorithm. You disrespect somebody, somebody has a fight, somebody, you know, whatever. That's what makes it to the top of the algorithm. Disrespect negative energy, right? My only thing with Kanye is I feel like he knew that. So a lot of the things he said were disrespect. Absolutely. That's how he controlled the whole, you know, he's at the top of everyone's algorithm.

You couldn't open your phone. You couldn't go on social media and not see. Kanye at the top, right? So now, not in his personal business, but I think it's safe to say that he may have taken a hit financially for some of the things that he did and said over the last week, right? Just a small, small, just a little bit. Just a little bit, right? Cool.

And personally. And personally, right? Because you also have to understand he will no longer is married, but it's tied in for the rest of his, well, I was going to get to his ex-wife. Yes, he's married to Bianca. Yes, I'm sorry. Married, my apologies. He was married to a conglomerate. Like, let's remember that as well, which affects everything that has to do with his personal life. His personal life became a conglomerate.

By his choice. I'm not giving him sympathy. Trust me. That was his fucking choice as a grown-ass man. But, yeah, that affects the Kardashian billionaire conglomerate. Not saying it's Adidas. But it ain't that fucking far away from it. Now that affects you seeing your kids and then your own personal money is fucked up.

based off the things you said. Yeah. Because again, you get caught up in this negative thing. When I say something negative, it's right to the top of the algorithm, right? Cool. Now you give us this on the Wall Street.

You know, mental health, frontal lobe damage. I didn't know. Undiagnosed. Cool. And if that's real, we understand that. Like, damn,

that's, you know, it's fucked up that that went undiagnosed all of these years. Hopefully he's addressing that and getting help for that. My thing is, why are we attaching that to him? Why do you have to attach that

to sell something, though? like Kanye's talent speaks for itself at this point Kanye don't have to do none of this to sell something Kanye could just announce an album at midnight and the numbers are going to do what the numbers are going to do agree so that's when I have a problem with this like all of this role you don't need to use this as an angle for your rollout to sell something but who

but this is a thing you can't confirm that's your opinion of what he's doing but bouncing off the back of Aurora's that's what bully is coming okay understood that but what I'm saying is he could have wanted to say this for five months, right? So then say it. No, because this is the thing. Y'all, especially when everybody hates you or you feel like everybody hates you, right? Like, reality versus your perception. If you feel like everybody hates you and on top of that, you feel like you don't really

owe people shit and people are going to talk shit about you anyway, people are going to sit on their podcast and not believe what the fuck you're saying anyway. Okay, if that's the case, I'm going to use that to my advantage. If I was an artist, I would do that too. I'm not over here trying to convince y'all that I'm being, that I'm being real or that I'm I'm being authentic because y'all are going to believe me or y'all aren't going to believe me. But if this, if I'm going to come out and be vulnerable with you when I've given you so much of myself, yeah, I'm going to attach it to my album. Yeah, no, no, no, no, I don't have to prove to y'all that I'm being authentic and

not, no, no, no, don't try to sell me something and prove and, and, and be authentic. So you're saying you will believe it, you will believe this if bully was coming a year from now. I'm saying that you would believe it or wouldn't believe it no matter if the album was coming out or not. Would you believe it if bully was coming a year from now? No. So then, no. So then what's the point?

Like that's what, if you're not going to believe it, you're not going to believe it. Because I think a lot of people feel like I feel, which is like, they don't matter that you have an album coming next week. Like we don't care. You could have told us this. Like I said, I didn't need this whole PR, you know, press release thing. I didn't need that. I would rather open my phone to see Kanye speaking directly into a camera and being vulnerable. Not at no edit button, none of that.

And like, yo, listen, man, I said some things. To me, that would feel more genuine in some words than I'm reading the wall. I don't even read the Wall Street Journal. And I know you always. I don't even read that page. There's a group of people that read it. There's a group of people that read it. Of course.

See, his shit, his frontal load was opening up now. See, I should start opening. His shit is opening that. This is what I'm saying. This is, we know what this is. Let's just stop acting like we don't. Kanye don't have to do no promo. Kanye can on his on his Instagram, it can just say, bully.

That's it. And the numbers is going to do. He's going to have the number. one album. Nope. What you mean? No. I don't know about him having a number one album. Get the fuck. Why? Unless Bad Bunny run another commercial. That would be the only reason. I think his album's coming out February 8th. I think it's coming around the same fucking like two days. That would be the only reason Kanye ain't got the number one album as if Bad Bunny run another commercial. Everything after the Super Bowl is going to be number one for Bad Bunny. But all right, with that said, Kanye has surpassed

that of course anything with Kanye that happens with us in this room, he doesn't need to do a rollout. We are going to see it. I even have Voltures 2 in my fucking laptop. And I don't even think it got released. And I'm saying they sent it to me. It was just leaked with, I pay attention. That's what I'm saying. Now, Kanye is so super past that entire thing. That's why he's one of the highest streamed people on Spotify history, even if he's 25. That's still crazy. With that said, he, with all his comments about the Jewish community and everything, does need to address that to sell the album because I think bully would go to deaf ears. By deaf ears, I mean just the type of people in this room that pay attention to hip-hop. I'll tell you this.

My mom and her best friend were in my car. Wait, what? Let me finish. This is Kanye, you're talking about. I know what. I'm telling you. People are now. You don't think if Kanye puts out an album tomorrow, his fan basis is going

to support? Can we look up what vultures did? Vultures 1 that came out on DSPs. Let's look at the numbers. You think that went number one? I went nowhere near number one. How did he release that? I don't even remember the last Kanye West album that went number one.

Yeah. Number one's ain't as easy to come by. It's like, we think. For Kanye? No, for Kanye either. Well, Kanye got kind of, the way he was releasing shit and putting shit out, You didn't know if it was out, if it was not.

Oh, it did go to number one. It did be. No, hip hop, guys. I'm talking about number one where Kanye used to be. The Billboard 200 albums chart, number one on the Billboard 200. Ain't no fucking way at that time when Taylor Swift was coming out. Kanye West was number one. Let's pause and figure this out.

Okay, we're back. Rory was wrong. Completely fucking wrong. Vulture spent number one on Billboard for two weeks. Carnival was an incredible record. I was talking more about the album. Yeah, it spent two weeks there. What was the first week sales, Josh?

148,000. 148,000, which is incredible. Okay, but I still think that's lower numbers 148 for a Kanye album. And my point was that I was getting to was the Pete Davidson and Game Song is the one that went the craziest for Kanye when it came to the news outside of the numbers. When he said, I hope Pete Davidson died to AIDS and put the video out. that my mom and her friend listened to that record like did you hear about the new Kanye record like the one with game mom that's the one you're talking about because they was talking about Pete Davidson and all the gossip shit so I was saying to your

point of Ye being in that negative algorithm shit he has to do stuff like this to get to that next level Kanye doesn't have to do anything and that's the point and I think that's the point that people have to understand what okay but do you also remember vultures which I was completely wrong about do you remember the vultures Rollout? He had every fucking right-wing streamer. They were in that hotel room streaming for fucking seven days. They were kicking women out the fucking room.

They were doing the Andrew Tate rollout. Yeah, he had a negative rollout. It was the most negative shit. So I'm saying he still has to do stuff. Vultures did. I was wrong. Vultures went number one. But now to that point, yeah, he had a insanely negative rollout and a very public one.

So you're saying he doesn't need to do that. Yes, he does. he needed to do that to make vultures be number one. No, because every other album went number one before that. And he didn't. You don't remember all his antics through every album ever. I'm saying he didn't have to do what he did as far as the rollout on the vultures. When I'm saying, you don't have to promo your stuff.

I'm saying I think Kanye West is at a point in his career now with these things, all the tricks and things that every other artist has to do, he does not have to do that. He invented those tricks, though. But I'm saying he doesn't, he no longer has to do that. He can just, again, Instagram, yay, bully. Bold white letters, black background bully. That will be enough.

People know the album is coming. That's it. This is Kanye Westweeds, one of the most influential artists of his time. He doesn't have to do these things that everybody else is. He doesn't have to do that. I hear what you're saying, ma'all, but you have no baseline for the past, let's say, past 10 years, right? You have no, wait, 10 years. would that be. Damn time flying. Okay, let's say past five years, five to ten, whatever.

You have no baseline of him not doing wild shit to sell an album to say he doesn't need to be wild shit to sell an 20 years of Kanye's career has been that. Yeah, he's always done while, so you can't say Kanye doesn't need to do this. He hasn't always done wild shit to sell an album. This is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is recent. This is really, he hasn't always done wild shit to sell out of home. But past 10 years in the, in the age of the, you need the internet to sell albums. Or, or because the algorithm awards negative. negativity. Okay. This is what I'm saying.

So if he doesn't do negativity, does he still sell the same? That was Rory's point. I think, yes. So this is Kanye. Before the algorithm, he was selling shitload of records, influencing all artists. After the algorithm, yes, he doesn't, he does not, he became a victim of that. He fell into that, I think, he didn't need to do that. And I think now he's realizing he didn't have to go that far.

He didn't have to do all of that negative shit he was doing and saying those things he was doing. I actually think this is perfect, Maul, because you're making an amazing. point. We're talking about all the negative shit he did to get number one with vultures. Now he's doing positive. Let's take out if we think somebody else wrote it, this and that. Bulley, he said with Justin LaBoy's miseducation. It's only about positivity. Every bar is supposed to uplift everybody in the world. He did a full apology of his whole entire career in the Wall Street Journal. Let's see. What was his rollout for the gospel album? Because that was positive. What was his rollout for that? Oh, I mean, even when he did with Sunday service. Sunday service, right?

Sunday service. Traveled the country with a choir. I thought it was awesome. It was beautiful. I went to, yeah. She thought it was great. Fucking fire. Yeah.

So, no, okay, but things definitely turned in the internet after that time. The internet was still negative at that time. But not the way it turned to a everything negative type of world that were it currently in right now. Everything has to be negative. I'm curious to see, to your point, with him going with a positive rollout, what happens? I don't have any predictions. I have no idea. For me, it's always this.

and it will always be this with any of these artists. I don't care about your rollout. I don't care about your roll up. You care if the music is good. What does the music sound like? That's my thing. I don't care about this Wall Street ad. I care about his mental health.

Hopefully he's addressing that and he's getting help for that. You know, that part, yes, absolutely I care about. But I didn't need the Wall Street ad. Just, again, too performative. To your point, I think it's actually a great experiment to see if positivity even fucking works in a rollout. Yeah, but he. If being humble, if being, hey, I need forgiveness because I fucked up. I said a bunch of things.

But how would you know if it works for Kanye? I don't forget about that. The album is going to go number one no matter what. You've proven me wrong with the vultures thing is actually going to, we'll have an answer. The album goes as long as he stays away as long as he stays away. Fuck number one, because that can change. Let's look at the stream sales, which I hate, who cares about that? But let's look at the sales.

All right. We used to do sales guesses. What are you guys guessing? Units. album equivalent units. That's a shit of soul. Because I don't even know what... $200.

I don't even know what that means. I'm going to $1.10. How many pre-orders did Rocky have? A million. How many did he sell for... What was his first week numbers? Because he has a number two. He didn't debut at number one, right?

He did. He ended up debuting the number one, yeah. Over Bad Bunny? Congrats to Aesab Rocky. Yes, he has a number one album. $120,000. I think he ate us... Does $200...

Because I do think with this Wall Street Journal ship plus Rocky debut at number one. Yeah. No, congrats to ASAP Rocky. Shout out by the Gucci. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. I think. If Voltures did 148 and Yeh is doing his apology tour, I'm 200.

I'm going 120. I'll go 120. Under Voltures? Unless he sells something and packs it out, unless he sells something. I like, and attach. Can you pull up the, uh, the rabbi? The rabbi that he was speaking with a couple months ago, and shook his hand and...

That was crazy. That was fucking crazy. Yeah, no, no, I've had a version of bullying. Who was that, Josh? What was that rabbi's name? Peach, a lot of people had never heard that stuff. Is that rabbi, uh... Rabbi Yoshi-Josef. There you go.

Rabbi Yoshi Yosef. Yes. Remember that? Kanye made his amends. There we go. So then we got that, right. Baby D, follow me. That was November.

Following you everywhere, babe. That was November. Mm-hmm. We're January. Now we get the Wall Street ad. Apology tour. Do you not see how his team and staff are planning? I see that.

I'm not disagreeing with you. So that's where it's for me. I say performative, planned. We're going to do this. Then we're going to do that. And we're going to do this. And then the album comes. So is every artist.

It's been performative. Yeah, but I'm just saying for what he's done over the years and said, for him to now make this turn, you can't expect somebody like me to be like, oh yeah I feel him you know I don't expect you too but I also don't think that Kanye is doing this for you I'm one of his I'm one of his consumers yeah but you're gonna you bought in his in his height of the worst shit he was saying you bought easy boots you're not the person he's apologized and you know I think but he doesn't but again my thing is if you want to say apologize to people you you

you hurt with your words I'm always for that apologize right my thing is why attach it like you said why are we getting an album coming off the Wall Street thing it's just just stop selling shit for a second. Sit down. Yeah, but sit down. Get your mental health together. Get your life together. You know what I mean?

Your kids is growing up. Stop selling shit for a second. But he hasn't sold us anything in a couple years. What are you talking about? Well, Mall's been waiting for his boots for a while. He sold us. He sold us to a swast-commergy. Last February I ordered some books.

I mean, not us, but we're going into February the next year and I still ain't got my- Kanye kind of hasn't stopped selling stuff. But all right, well, and we can close this because I know this dragged a bit. But you would consider like, do you consider artists a brand at this point? I'm not a businessman. I'm a businessman. Certain artists. Everybody, niggas just be saying that.

No, no, no. And they ain't no brand. We're using artists in the same vein. Kanye, one million percent. Okay. One million percent. So you don't think Pepsi beats to the drum of how we're going to move based off how we're selling something. Why is Kanye, who is a brand at one point, was just as valuable as a,

a major corporation that has been around for 100 years because that's how talented Kanye West was with his vision. Why can he not move at the same pace that every more major corporation does? Because he's saying that he has frontal lobe damage and mental health issues that he needs to address. Pepsi, the Pepsi CEO never came out. An ad with Kendall Jenner stopping racism by opening that. You have to let it go. And I don't know, it's the craziest commercial all the time. They had an Asian playing the violin at a riot. Pepsi put out an ad, yo, we messed up, we're going to do better.

At least Kanye gave me some more words that made me feel like I'm actually talking to a human being. And he's a brand that at one point, probably not as valuable as Pepsi, but close in the billions, why can't he move the same way? His life is a brand. He's always going to sell,

he's selling his personality. He was married to the conglomerate of selling your personality. They're brands. The Kardashians are a brand. You don't get skims without Kim selling, her self, her lifestyle. These people, anytime they walk outside, they're selling themselves.

I don't mean that in a negative way either. I don't. I don't mean that a negative way. Everything you're saying is correct. What I'm saying is if you're having mental health issues, if you're front of them are. You need to sit the fuck down. Go live on the awful, awful fucking farm somewhere for a couple years.

Get your mental health together. Relax. Stop trying to sell, put shit in the consumer space all the time. Like, just fucking chill and relax. You made enough money. Life is great. Get your fucking, get your physical and mental health in order before you start to jump back into the space

and want to sell shit again. That's like telling Pepsi to stop selling the Pepsi that's in our fridges every day. No, that's not. That's how you become a billionaire. That's how you get. That's the difference between Kanye, also Ho, but he has done it outside of his lifestyle brand.

That's the difference. They sell things every goddamn day. Pepsi and Kanye's too. Rihanna did not become a billionaire until she started selling Fenty. her lifestyle brand that she could match with what she was doing with the music videos. Yeah, but her being who she is. Yeah, but what do you talk about?

What point are you making? Rihanna's not saying negative shit about a group of people in the world. Rihanna's not going on fucking Bobo-O-Rank. No, no, no. We're talking about a separate point. So the point I'm making is, Kanye needs to sit down and stop trying to sell shit. Oh, sure.

I'm just telling you that he has the mind state of a corporation because he is one now. He walks outside and is being sold. So his mind is always there. that doesn't mean go fucking buy a Nazi chain I'm not saying I'm not co-signing that I'm just saying where those types of brains are at he's he's a corporation not to the way some other rapper is

that also sells alcohol you're talking about somebody that has entered billionaire's when Rihanna walks out every time when she's with Rocky when she's with her kids of course she's living her life the way she wants to live it you don't think she's throwing on the fentico

she knows her whole life is being sold every time she walks out that fucking building Okay. So yeah, that puts them in that motion. Maul wants, so here's the thing, Maul, all authenticity, the majority, I won't say all, the majority of authenticity, the majority of the authenticity that we are sold, because we are being sold authenticity because authenticity is what makes, that's why we have so many influencers, right? And influencers have become the new celebrities because they're just normal people that showed us our lives and now we related to them and now we bought shit from them and they influence our lives. So authenticity, a lot of times, a lot of times, times is forced. It's fake. It's acted. And some people are better at it than others. Kanye didn't take that route. He didn't get in front of the camera like Diddy did after the rape accusations come out and say, hey, I'm working on it with God, me and my pastor, and did the fake authenticity. He did it the way that artists used to do it when the label was running everything. I'm going to put out a fucking press release. Now, I have a whole bunch of money so my press release,

I can force it to be seen by the people I want it to be seen by. And I can understand why that might rub you wrong. But please understand that even when people are doing the fake sit in front of the camera with the black t-shirt while they're in their kitchen and their kids are in the back playing and their wife is bringing them a plate of food, that's staged too. But it's staged to look authentic.

Kanye just didn't do it. Well, you let Kyrie tell it this is all the stage. Everything is a state. That's the world we live in. I agree with Kyrie. And I definitely agree with Kyrie on that one. Learn that pretty early. And that's why I think Kanye believes a lot of shit that he's saying. So I'm with you there. But to Demaris's point,

Kanye has in the years of gangster rap came out with a fucking polo and said, I'm a nerd, dog. Like he sold a group of people, a large group, authenticity of I'm around a bunch of people that usually if you're in this position, you're going to pretend like, nah, I'm from Chicago. I'm a dog. I'm GD. No, I'm a nerd. I'm an art student in a time when it wasn't cool to be an art student. So everyone took his introduction to the world as authenticity.

That's who he really. That was authentic on Kanye. So I'm saying that that was. That was in everyone's mind. That was his most authentic. That was him. Yeah. He worked at the gap.

He was a gap kid. He was a preppy kid. There's nothing wrong with that. No, no, of course not. There's space for that. I'm just saying at a time when it wasn't even cool to say that type of shit, you got to that point. It was so authenticity and that's why people are away from it. In hip hop, you are rewarded for being authentic.

That's what it used to. At a time. You couldn't even sound like other rappers at one point. Even if vocally and tone wise, we just had naturally the same. People like, yo, that ain't going to work. sound too much like this person or you look too much like that person. Like you had to be authentic. Now it's just cookie cutter shit.

Put them on a conveyor belt. Send them down the line. And I'm saying an artist as talented as Kanye should not fall into that because he doesn't have to. When he was yelling, listen to the kids, bro. I actually liked that. But now I'm starting to see where that disappeared. Because I think you're handicapped in a good way because you grew up around three

people that actually made the things they were living so authentic that that was the lifestyle that was sold to the world and that's why they fell in love with that that company kanya ended up being a kid in that company as far as his authenticity as well and then Kanye started listening to his own kids he started listening to playboy cardi of what you should do whereas don't know all these kids do what they did because they saw you and i like listen to the kids bro i think Drake as somebody that keeps up with the youth, this and that, I think that's important for longevity. But sometimes you know better than your kids.

Oh, yeah. I would. You should. Sometimes you see all these kids popping, which Kanye's talked about his insecurities with Drake, younger artists. Like, damn, they became popping. What the fuck? You don't take the advice.

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I'm happy to finally hit the internet. Oh, I've never heard it before. Oh, this has been a, this is an age, age old fucking rap barbershop conversation. So Kid Cuddy replied, I'll be honest with you, even when I was looking it up, I don't know what sparked Cuddy doing this. I don't know. Well, Jim Jones spoke first. Jim Jones came out. Jim Jones came out and said that people only heard of day and night.

And Josh, can you pull up the direct quote, please? Something along the minds of people only heard of day and night because Jim Jones remixed it. Right. So then you get the internet, you get the New York internet agreeing with him in the other 49 states saying I've never even heard that version. You know what's funny with that, like, there alone? It's a cover of a song that's already out. So how can people...

So how you heard it? Yeah, like, how can people only have heard it because you remix it or you made a cover of the song? Like, that makes no sense. Okay, so... People wouldn't know who Kid Cuddy is. Yeah. He said people would know Kid Cuddy.

Okay. What was the original... So, all right, I have some, like, actual... We're talking about day and night? Yes. Okay. So I have some... some actual, like, real knowledge into this timeline, because I worked at By any Means when

By any Means produced the video of Jim Jones in the booth. You can pull up Day and Night remix, Jim Jones. Aristotle produced that video. BB Gunn shot it. It was a by any means production. At that time, the song was still bubbling. Yes, did they play the Jim Jones verse first that then got put into the Kid Cuddy day and night song on high 97 and on the radio when radio was still very very much prevalent in 2008 and in the blogs was

was that a moment when Jim Jones got on it? Absolutely. So Jim's right for the tri-state to some degree. But at this time, Cuddy was living in Brooklyn and Jersey City. Like Cuddy was working that record in New York.

That's how Jim probably heard it because Cuddy was working that record. But to say that that moment of Jim Jones shooting that video in the studio, the red lights, the blunt of going on that beat, that's what played at parties in the club and on the radio in New York City. Only speaking about that. But to say that Hot 97 in 2008 didn't determine the hip-hop market of all 50 states, you're bugging. Maybe that's New York ego, but there's no way that you're telling me that what Hot 97 was doing, in 2008 did not dictate what a lot of places were doing in middle markets.

Atlanta, of course, is always going to do their own thing. LA is always going to do their own thing. But if you don't think people are not following what Hot 97 does in this period, you're bugging. Now, with that said, I saw Cuddy's response. He's also completely correct. That record was going, bro. It was going.

And I think that's the point. It was a New York City remix, but it was one of those things in New York that became a staple of Jim Jones on that record. But that record was going, dog. Like, and I think that it's, it's a hit record where we have to be. And that even goes back to the conversation that me and all just eventually agreed to disagree on when it came to is Drake the reason why the Migos exist. You can say, I made this better and I put more eyes on this. Which you can't say is this, your career would never exist without me. There's a difference. There's a difference between I helped you and I helped you grow. But,

But there's also some things that were always going to jump off. It might have just taken a little bit longer. Day and night was always going to be a hit. Jim Jones knew that. That's why the fuck he hopped on an unknown artist's song because the shit was so hot he had to be on it. Also, Jim is an incredible A&R. So Jim has always been great at understanding what sounds good. Before he even knew how to rap, Jimmy was that good at that.

So yeah, he heard a record like, oh, this shit is hard. I don't care what the world thinks. I think it's hot. So I'm going to get on the record. Jimmy's always been that way. So I know probably in his brain, he's thinking like, I don't care if that was going to be a hit. I was rapping on that no matter what. And yeah, it brought, shit, my Blackberry with the side scroll ringtone was Jimmy's version of day and night in 2008.

Like that was a record. It played in the party better. And then Cuddy shit came in. It was a moment because they had both of them and Jim coming off ball in. Like, it was a thing. I think can we put up when a day and night played on Entourage? Because I think that was the moment. That was definitely big.

That was the moment. It was also big like when same era, when Entourage had Charles Hamilton, Brooklyn Girls on it. That was big. Entourage premiered a different version of, what's the Kanye with T. Payne? Good Life. go watch entourage. They premiered the song the day before it came out. It's a different version.

Kanye changed it that night. I get what Jim is saying. Jim definitely, you know, when he did day and night, that went platinum in the hood for sure. But, I mean, day and night was going to be day and night if Jim never did that or not. Yeah. Like when you're getting your song placed on the biggest show on HBO, the monumental show, like if your song is making it there. if Jim never did day and night over

that song was gonna be what it is like that Cuddy is a talent that if there's a bunch of people in his circle of life that never existed he's still going to be Cuddy like yeah but now Jim's Jim's version did go platinum in the hood

it did go platinum in the hood it did go platinum in the hood like we're not gonna do that but it also went platinum in the hood because the day and night song the Cuddy song was so dope and so was so big and in the context that you guys pulled up

I have to give some push back just on a personal level. He said my intern shot that video. I mean, if you considered Aristotle an intern, I guess that's fair, but I want to give a lot of credit to Aristotle who went on to shoot videos for fucking Nas, Fab, J. Cole, has a feature film on Hulu right now. Like, Aristotle is super established. So I kind of wish Jimmy would have not said it that way because Aristotle's so established you could have said yo aristotle and b b b gunn shot that so that aired that aired november 2008 on entourage day and night when did jims day and night drop same around the same time because that was 2008 i i October if anything so okay so jims came out October 2008 yeah and the

entourage episode was November 2008 which means it was shot probably seven months before yeah but we can't you got to speak to me when it was played though, like when people actually heard day and night on entourage. So, yeah, it's around the same time, but day and night was definitely taken off way before that. Yeah, but yeah, I was about to say even then entourage of when they shoot everything and then do the scores, I guess, but that was playing on radio. Yeah, that was a record. Yeah, that was a, that was a big record.

Yeah. But it's just, I get what Jim is saying, though, like, because he did that, you know, his version of the record, it definitely was big. you know what I'm saying but I just think that Jim just you know the words just the wrong choice of words see you beat more you do that a lot for people you give people a lot of benefit out and be like no never for Rory he'd be like you know I feel like he was trying to say and I think he was trying to say no niggas know what they be saying he no no that's not that's not what I'm saying I'm saying is he just it's the wrong choice of words that he chose now the song his version was big Jim Jones version of the song was

big it was it like I said in the hood Everybody was playing that shit. So I get why in Jim's mind and his perception is because everybody he's around that that's what he was saying was his version of it. So I understand that. But for him to say what he said, I'm just saying like, you definitely, your version of it definitely was big. But that song was that song with or without your version. Like, but we're not going to take it away from Jim's version of Dan Knight being a hit because it was.

Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Just the wrong choice of words that he tried. chose. I'm not saying that he didn't mean what he said. That's not what I'm saying. He chose the wrong words because day and night, kid Cuddy. He chose the right words to prove his wrong point. But even again, oh, yes, yes. But also with somebody that's been batting a thousand on cosons, I can see why he would think like, no, everything that I co-signed before everyone else does in my circle clearly seems to be right. But also in 2008, the entire music industry had moved to LA

yet. Let's not act like all the execs that was pushing everything with Cuddy wasn't in their cars going home like, oh shit, all right. Jimmy on this, this is going crazy in New York. Let's not act like that's not a thing at that time. You guys can say we're irrelevant now and it's fine. We can argue about that at another time. In 2007 to eight, yes, it was a thing. that Jim Jones and Kit Cuddy were playing on high 97 nonstop for every exec on their drive home back to New Jersey. For sure. Like, yeah. Not mad at that.

Like that definitely, I'm sure that helped Cuddy in his meetings. Cuddy is a genius. He's going to be Cuddy no matter what. But let's not act like at that time when everyone was gravitating towards that song with the execs that lived in the energy of this city at that time, that wasn't helpful. It was definitely helpful. I know if I was in an A&R office and every fucking morning I'm driving to work and every night. night I'm driving to work. I hear this goddamn song with Jimmy's version on it. Coming to all of the bones. Like, all right, cool. Cuddy is, at this point, too, you have to

understand it's 2008. They're just getting into the tight pants thing. This is 808 and heartbreaks. Nope. Same we talking about Kanye kind of being a trailblazer where it was cool to be a nerd just for him. All right, the hood is co-signing this. Because don't act like the office at that time didn't think what the hood was thinking at that time. Jimmy was a good co-sign for what was going on. Cutty is a little left. We heard he's working on this Kanye album. I don't know. He wears weird tight pants.

He's out of his fucking mind. Yeah. A cosign from the hood at that time for an exec. Like, all, cool. The hood's fucking with it. This sound isn't that crazy. Because we're coming off all Ron Brow's shit at that time. This is polished.

This is like 80s pop, weird, dark tones and shit. Yeah. This is kind of nuts coming off that Ron Brow's shit that the hood will fuck with us. That's important. Yeah. To how a record starts to get broken. I know everyone wants to take credit once the record is number five on Billboard, but it takes the hood to get it there.

That's all, especially at that time. I don't think it takes the hood to get it there. I'm talking about at this time with execs and buildings. That's a thing. Energy used to be a thing. That's where you get Sav and Stevo. That's both offices. People that actually used to go out into the street and figure out what the fuck was

happening in not New York City, but the entire country. Everything people say that the labels are missing is where you merge Jim Jones and Kid Cuddy with day and night. That's when shit worked. Yeah. Oh, all right. Hood co-signing this weirdo shit. And I don't mean weirdo in a bad way.

Hood is co-sign in his weirdo shit. Bottom line is day and night was a smash. Cutty out of here. It doesn't matter. Huge record. Huge record. Yeah. No matter who remixed it.

Huge record. Are you guys going to watch this hit boy and Mike. Will made it versus. Shake ass, for sure. Of course I'm not watched. A lot of records. Because hit. Hit Boy, Mike Will, got a lot of fucking records.

I'll tell you that. Yeah, I'm watching this. Who y'all think is going to win? Hit Boy. Yeah, you said that really quickly. I agree, but you said that quickly. I mean, I say it all the time, and not just because that's my guy. Hit Boy might be the most talented producer.

When you can produce an entire collection for Nas and then, you know, produce a for Beyonce and then, you know, produced for, you know, Nipsey and, you know, it's just the range that hit boy has is, it's undeniable. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, it's undeniable. It is. But for the first 10, I think Mike Will might, the first 10, I think it's going to be up and up, but I think after, after those 10, I think hit boy will start to come in. Here's the thing. I think Mike Will is kind of like the Atlanta hit boy. Because I'm with you. Hit Boy's range is absolutely insane.

He can play a Beyonce. But if you can go from Meek Mill and Ross, Tupac back, and then go to O'Miley Cyrus record, Mike Will has the most insane. He has range as well. Listen, there's a reason why this is going to be dope. They both have range. Turn on the light's future.

That's a point. Hit Boy, it's not. No lie. Two chains and drink. If you play that, if you play that future record, Mike, what happens in our off throwing niggas in Paris? So niggins' appearance is an automatic win, right? Nick's appearance is an automatic win.

But you know what else is also an automatic win? Pour it up. Poured up is an automatic win to me, for a lot of people. You got to remember. It's not just about Rihanna. Pour it up, pour it up. Oh, pour it up. Clubs and dollar bills and I still got my money.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like. And also. Bands to make her dance is an automatic win. But also that, Mike will have Beyonce. Didn't he do formation? Was formation?

him or hit boy? No that was Mike will oh it was and don't get it twist shit hit boy has records on the last two Beyonce project no yeah that yeah that is that's him. He has a 16 candle shit like but I don't know if that plays black beetles In a versus today black beetles black beetles and we're talking about 2016 like come on now

no this is this actually in a weird way makes more sense than the boy wonder and hit boy battle yeah because of the range you're talking about Yeah, they both just have a lot of records also with the same artists as well in the pop world. Yo, Josh, can you pull up that Billboard top producers? Oh, I didn't.

I didn't know. Like, where was Hip Boy at on that? I didn't know that Mike Will did Humble by Kendrick Lamar. Okay. That's crazy. So, all right, Humble and DNA versus Mad City, which is one of the craziest hit boy beats of all time, which is off good kid Matt. I think you're pulling up. Is this R&B?

Was it producers? Oh, it's my first century. Okay. Yeah, but I mean a lot of these didn't go with specific rank. Like Boy Wonder has, rightfully so, hit records with everyone else, but it has so many with Drake. Where Hit Boy was at on this. Move that dope by, move that dope. Control F and then type in Hit Boy.

I'm going to, you and I are going to go through like a Microsoft Word. Move that dope by future Pusatian Farrells. Wow. One of my favorite beats of all time. No hit boy on the top producers of the 21st century? Who did the list? Rolling Stone? What you expect? Well, no, it's Billboard. It's based off like actual data. Oh, okay. And my thing with HIPBoy has, I don't even want to call him cult classics because

there are huge records, but Hip Boy has more of like the records Beyonce was experimenting on rather than the hit records. Niggas in Paris is the top song of this. Oh, yeah, of course. That should be like, that's an automatic win. There's nothing. Dad alone should put him on that list somewhere. Well, it's based off how many you have. I guess.

So even if that's one. I guess I don't know though It is gonna be interesting though So niggas No type still works Click Click is gonna go crazy

Sickle mode is gonna go crazy That's hit boy That's not Mike Will I know I'm naming Hit Boy He's not He's not He has to be

His pictures right Dude Yeah he's literally As Big as Farrell So I'm not gonna lie I'm not gonna lie to y'all Mike Will has more hits. He has a significant amount.

But we've seen in verses where that doesn't necessarily mean everything. Got to be on that list. It's kind of how you structure your playlist and how songs go against each other. It's how, yeah, that's a very big part of the version. You can have more hits. That don't mean anything. It's like when you play them versus, like, especially if I got to play a record first, it's like playing a hand of spades. You got to play your hand right.

Because now if I play, you know, one of my biggest records, and then you play something that people just like more. It's like, okay, who got that? Yeah, like I'm not saying that. It might have charted. I play might have charted high in the one you played, but. As with like in the Jay-Z jar, another tip. His biggest record, New York State of Mont, or Empire State of Mon.

Yeah. You think Jay-Z is playing that in his verses? No. Of course not. Like, just because you have bigger hits there doesn't mean anything. Yeah. And even, I wouldn't say Ludacritish shouldn't have beat Nellie, but it shouldn't have been a wash.

Nellie had an awful, like, how did you even think to structure it this way? Yeah. I'm excited. I'm curious if they're going to go one for one or if it's going to be the 15-minute set versus 15-minute set. I think it should be that. I prefer that. I think that's cool. I think the whole verses is, I think we kind of got away from what it was at one point.

It kind of turned into more of a just showcase of songs and, you know, performative is more performative now. So I like that way of doing it like that type of setup. Like you take 15 minutes, I take 15 minutes. Yeah. And I mean, the last one they did with cash money and no limit they did it that way. And hopefully there's performers. Like I would love to see Ray Shremmer together again with Mike Will. JD definitely dodged the bullet with that bad boy one, didn't he?

Ooh. Wouldn't want to be attached to that. And I'm talking about they was going for the Mercedes Ben Stadium. Oh, I know. That was going to be the biggest. I thought they booked it. That was going to be. I thought there was like a date and everything.

Hey, J.D. I know he happy that one didn't go down. Yeah. To have to pull that up and look at that over and over again on YouTube? Shit. Speaking of J.D., I did listen to Ari Lennox album Vacancy over the weekend. It's good. It's really good.

It feels like Ari is more comfortable and less anxious than she was on the last project because I know she was dealing with a lot of stuff behind the scenes with labels and this and that. Is this her fuck Dreamville album? I wouldn't say that. They said it was a very horny album. But Ari's always... They said that. Well, she got off the label, now she can be horny again, so...

Okay. Because you know you squirt when you're comfortable. You got to be the most comfortable. Got to be. If she's not comfortable, she ain't going to squirt, Rory. I don't know if you knew that or not. I don't know that. That's a callback, y'all. I'm not being over the freak. It's a mall call. That's very funny. Well, all of Ari's music, I wouldn't say Ari's music is horny, but she's always talked about sex through

art. Just because it's a neo-soul sound, are you listening to the lyrics? First of all, the neo-soul women are the most horny. No. Jill Scott, just because they got incense lit and they got pepper grinder to a mic stand. Yeah, just because they got incense lit and they got Bob Marley on their wall. Don't think that she ain't about to go in there and squirt all over the place. Yo, Ma. Yeah, don't let that Neo-Soul shit fool you, just shade butter and all that.

I know. I know. But no, most of, I don't want to say most, but a lot of ARI's music is, I wouldn't say just sexually explicitly. Yeah, yeah. The record we did together, the first bar is X videos. I don't need those anymore. I don't know.

I don't know. Yeah. But no, it feels like she had less people in her ear. And knowing her, this felt like an album that she actually had full fucking control with, with JD and Brian Michael Cox. because they executive produced the whole thing and they did everything in the compound in Atlanta. No, it's good.

It's very good. It stripped all the fat of the last two projects where I felt like she was super in her head and had too many people telling her what to do. I'm looking forward to it. It's not far off her regular sound. If you're an ARI fan, it's still an ARI album. Who is she with now?

She's with Interscope. So she was signed with Dreamville and Interscope. Left Interscope. I'm sorry, left Dreamville, just stayed with Interscope. Which is good too, because if you're not on a sublabel, now you own 50% of your shit, well, not own, but you have 50% of your shit

as opposed to 25. Because if you signed it a sublabel, they take 25 and, yeah. So signing direct to the label is a bit more profitable. I get it. Shout out my nigga Ari. But yeah, no, check out Ari Vacancy. Really good album.

Shout out to, uh, JD got, he got in his bag. He has little adlives and shit on there. I felt like I was listening to some, some Mariah shit back in the day. A lot of it is like 2000. was Mariah in the middle of the whole I'm about to go run to it right now

No and she and Ari was always great with Volcetto shit but she went more Volcetto than I've ever heard her before on her previous projects but now Jady throwing little ad lives in there and I was like okay I'm not mad at this shit JD J.D. and B Cox did the whole album for it. Yeah in the studio that we've been to

they locked in and just did the entire thing. Fire. So I like that R&B compound there where there with division 85 and JD even doing that for a lot of years man Like I you know I always speak highly Jade like he's what he's been doing

You know The last 30 years More than that Chris he's been Before I was born Yeah Chris Cross was early 90s We're approaching almost

JD's been working Over 30 Over 35 years I'm 35 now so he Probably 38 maybe in 35 years, yeah. In the 90s, yeah. I'm 91. No, but even, I don't think Chris Cross was even his first group.

That might have been the first one, though. I'm saying that's the first one that popped, but he's been working. Well, no, he's been, he's been, I'm talking about JD is a hip-hop baby. He was a back, he was dancing. So Chris Cross Jump came out in 92. So let's give him since 1990. Let's give him since that. That's what I said, 35 years?

34 years? Shit. It's funny. Anytime I've been to his compound and there's been like a big R&B artist there that didn't work with him prior. Every single time I've talked with them on the side, they'd be like, yo, I've never been with a legend that still touches the machine, which to me is a big, big thing. Like, every time I get with an A-list legendary producer, they don't touch, like, they just

be hitting the space bar on some shit. And I'm like, all right, who did that? No, JD is still very much. J. J.D. sits there and cooks up from scratch. Yeah, he's going to hit every instrument when you in there. Like shout out to him and B Cox I think they was number one, number two on the top producers

Of the 24th which they fucking should be That's insane. Shout out to the guys, J.D. Brian Cox Before we get to either voicemails or close out This first Netflix episode Good job guys. I do I really hope this Chad Hugo and Farrell thing gets

solved. I'm not mad at If Chad feels like he was done wrong and he's owed royalties, we know Chad Hugo is a genius the same way that Farrell is a genius. We know Chad is just kept to himself, but if you're not paying royalties, and I'm not saying Farrell is even responsible for that.

He could have put that in people's hands, his business management team, and said, hey, you figure out the publishing, make sure everyone's paid. I don't want to sit here and condemn Farrell for those types of things, because I don't know the information. If he did that shit, I'm here to condemn him.

My favorite producer, I'd still condemn him. But I hope they figure this out. I don't want to see, like, my favorite, fucking production duo just be in this place where no one's getting paid what they're owed. This was sad, sad to see. Yeah. But if I'm Chad, yeah, fucking pay me what you owe me. I'm not going to sit here for the love of the game.

For the love of the game. Are you fucking crazy? No. And again, I don't, we don't know the full details. They just said that Chad Hugo had, um, filed a lawsuit for specific records, Drop It Like It's Hot, Hala Back Girl, Moneymaker, you know, just billion-dollar songs. Right.

Some songs that literally kept on the lights and some of these offices still. Yeah. Still, the back catalog is. And I mean, that was at the time, you know, who knows with MTV News with PR when they were like, oh, no, it's a, I think it was a million dollars for Drop It Like It's Hot. I was a kid. but I remember watching MTV and they asked Snoop Dog

was like, would you pay for that beat? I had to pay Farrell a million dollars for that beat. A million dollars for one beat. It was worth it. That's up front. That's not, you still getting 50% pub. Yeah, you don't know. And you don't know.

A lot of producers don't take any money up front. You just get 50% pub and you can live for the rest of your life off that shit. Ferrell was charging a million dollars a beat at that time and 50% publishing. And you don't know what that song is going to do. It sounds great in the studio. We all vives.

into it, the homies just fucking with it. We don't know what this is going to do in the world, though. So I might be overpaying for this beat. And it's like, that shit ain't even recouped. Now, obviously we know Chad is no novice to anything. I give Farrell a lot of credit because like Swizz, I've seen interviews where artists are like, why Swiz and Farrell were so great to work with,

when I got to the studio, they had the beat and the hook already done. All I had to do was fill in the verses. This wasn't even a cookup session. you gave me a hit record. You're on the hook. You wrote the hook. Here's the beat.

I'm filling in three verses and we're done. I can do that in 10 minutes and now I have the biggest record of my life. If Pharrell is writing those hooks, yeah, I could see him taking more royalties and pub on certain things. But there's a lot of Chad beats with the Neptunes that everyone says Farrell had nothing to do with. And Chad did all the beats. I don't know what's true at all. I just know they're my favorite production duo and I hope they figure. it up. But I just don't think Chad, who's been minding his business and is quiet, is doing this for

no reason. Do you think that where there's smoke, there's fire in sense of like Farrell being a little bit funny with money because Khalis has been complaining about him for years as well? Possibly. And again, I don't want to discredit Kalis whatsoever. I mean, that that album in itself is like a 2000s classic. The amount of kids that came from that album, Tyler's a kid from that album. You would listen to Tyler albums now and you can hear the Kalees'

Kalees' first album and you hear the same shit. I've also heard that she didn't write on it, but I don't want to take that from Kaleas because I don't fucking know. I was a kid. Yeah. But there's been so many conflicting points

from producers, engineers, on who wrote what, and a lot of people have said, all right, Farrell wrote some of that shit. So why wouldn't he? take royalties on it. So I don't know. It's the most confusing business on earth. Yeah. If I make a t-shirt, the t-shirt's $10, the designer charges this much, and we put it up for 50% markup and the person distributed and gets 10%. That's an easy business. I don't know what a baseline

cost or what it's going to affect. How many points? I don't know what that is. If I make a baseline that we later find out is the reason why everyone loves this song, I'm going to be sitting there like, Give me my fucking money, dog. That's the reason why we all love this shit. Now you can't do that with a t-shirt. I sold you this t-shirt for $10. Yeah. This t-shirt is always worth $10.

It's moments like this where you got to... It's such a confusing business that... There's enemies and awful people in it for sure. But even with the people that are trying their best, it's tough. It's not a confusing business. People make it confusing. I'm saying with publishing specifically... That's still not confusing.

Quincy Jones and Frank Sinatra. had no confusion. Well, they're going 50, 50. See how easy that is? No confusion. No contracts. They never had a contract with each other, none of that. Handshake, conversation, this is how we rock it.

People make it confusing when they start doing fuck shit. It's not always fuck shit. But I'm saying it's not. It's not. No, sometimes you might not. Sometimes two people can disagree on how much they brought to a project. you, I bought this and you bought this. You might value this more, but I value this more.

The fans value this more. It can get confusing. No, you make it confusing. We having this conversation before anything goes out this door. No, we're making a song in the studio. Right. Again, in here, right now we haven't touched a lyric. Nothing has been played nothing.

We're having a conversation. Yo, this is how we're doing. That's not how it works. I was going to say that, but that's the creative process. You haven't created anything. You don't know. what you're going to create. Are you see what I'm saying? I can't tell you what my worth is, right? With this beat, I'm making a beat. Calisa's writing lyrics. I can't tell you what this beat

is worth because I haven't created it yet. I can't tell you what these lyrics are worth because I haven't created it yet. Is the beat the most important part of the song is the lyrics? You don't know. The part you're missing is what I'm saying. You look at somebody, I don't know if any of these people were talking about have a more extensive catalog or more, you know, value, cataloged than Quincy Jones and Frank Sinatra. Farrel, whoever else you want to name. I don't know if their catalog is worth more than Quincy Jones and Frank Sinatra.

What I'm saying is the conversation that those two gentlemen had was very simple. Conversation, handshake, no confusion, their entire career working together. None. And they made a fuck ton of money with each other. Okay. Okay. Let's say, all right. Frank was writing everything and Frank sang everything.

Now let's say they put something down on a skeleton track where Quincy just had some strings playing. And then he's going to go with a whole orchestra and a bunch of musicians after Frank leaves. We have a 50-50 handshake. Now, if I'm a musician that played something, wrote something on the song, that's what I think a lot of people misunderstand when they see Spotify credits. Writing. Writing doesn't mean you wrote necessarily wrote the lyrics, writing the song. Child is a writer on all my stuff, even if he didn't write a lyric at all because he wrote music on there. I put writers on everything that wrote music. It's not just lyrics.

Now, if I'm a bass player, and I think I deserve 7.5% pub on this because the baseline is leading this entire thing. I don't give a fuck what handshake Quincy Jones and Frank Sinatra have on this. Quincy, this is coming out of your 50%. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to have a conversation here. There's not everything is hip-boy and nods. If Frank Sinatra and what he's saying is, I wrote music on that.

Is there a pub? If Frank Sinatra and Quincy Jones split 50-50, right? They each have 50-50. If one of them brings in some people, a chorus or a band or somebody to do something on there, you don't suddenly create more money out of thin air. That has to come out of somebody's 50. Yeah, so we had that conversation with Frank. Yo, Frank, I had to pay the business.

All right, cool. But that doesn't even come out. How publishing works. See how simple that is? That wouldn't even be a Frank conversation. That would be a Quincy conversation. because how pub is split, it is 50% with the actual writing of the song and the other 50% is split up between whatever's happening with the music. Now, if Quincy's taking 50%,

if I know, even if I go into do a record, I know out the gate, I'm hiring musicians and I don't play the game where I just give you a fee and take pub. I just don't play that game. I'm going to be on the right side of history. You're going to get your pub on that. But I know going in, if I'm starting a record, if me and Nick Grant start a record, I know for a fact I'm going to hire some musicians that are probably going to be able to play what I'm trying to do in Ableton way better than I ever could. And I'm going to give them their pub on that entire thing. So if me and Nick have a 50-50 split if we're doing an EP, my pub is supposed to be diluted for everyone that comes in there and writes music. And now that pub gets diluted a bit more if it's something that I'm doing on Ableton and I want you to replay it.

Now I can have that argument with you like, hey, maybe you don't get to. 20% pub on this. Maybe that's more of a 10 to 15 because I told you exactly what I wanted to do and you played it for me. And that's where I'm saying it gets complicated because there's no real consumer. The t-shirts, $10 were selling it for 20. That's a debate between two human beings. And the song's not even out yet. And also, Ma, I'm sure. And you don't even know what the value of the song's going to be. I'm sure Frank Sinatra and Quincy Jones didn't have any problems. But I promise you, there's probably people that were in the studio with them or around them that might have had a problem with some things.

With our goats that we all love to death and speak highly of. Everything was shitty back in. When they walk in to a studio, we've talked about our favorite writers on this pod in the last two years. They don't get the pub they deserve because when it comes with this artist, they're taking 50% pub even if they didn't write anything. So now someone that wrote a whole song is getting 2% pub because it's also with a producer that walks into a studio.

It's like, if I come in here, it's 50% pub. up. And that's what people we speak about often and we champion. That happens to some of our favorite writers we've had on this podcast that won't speak about it because it's complicated. And it's political and they're trying to keep their job. But yeah, you want to work on an A-list artist shit. Be happy with 3% if you wrote a whole record, which is crazy because you deserve 50. Good point, but my point still stands. Okay. Okay. People are, We're agreeing to disagree on Netflix. People put bullshit in the mix.

They do. No, they do. And what I was really getting to, and we can close this, is the conversation I'm saying when, if Quincy is telling someone exactly how to play something, now we have a debate on what pub you owe. Instead of,

there's been times where I've had, you met Mitch, my bass player before. Mitch just comes in, if we have an idea of Mina Zad and tell them there's a different version of pub there, then if I send Mitch a record and Mitch comes up with the fucking baseline.

Mitch is taken at least 15% on that. He wrote a whole, I didn't even tell you what to do on the baseline. I gave you a skeleton and you came with a funky-ass bass line. You're taking 15% at minimum. So if we're confusing to the average listener who isn't into music the way that we are and they don't know about this, type what we're saying into chat, GPT, and it'll make a little bit more sense. Because I know that this can be confusing for the casual.

music listener. They don't know what the fuck we're talking about. It's confusing to professionals in the music business. Yeah. Yeah. And what's so fucked up is why everyone hates major labels is everything we're arguing about somebody else ends up owning that wasn't even there. Yeah. Now you wonder why everyone's pissed. Yeah. Bulley.

All right, Roy. It was fun, you know, talking to you today. Debating you. Did we have a debate today? I think we debated. No, I think we had. healthy discourse if I said something that offended you I'm sorry my frontal lobe is a little I'm not

I'm not smoking weed anymore so my frontal lobe is a little more clear than it's ever been in the last few years worry so next episode I will tell you about the time I slammed into a telephone pole and definitely fucked up

my frontal loaf that explains so much that didn't tell me this oh no I should have told me this when I first met you. It's actually a very fun conversation. You should lead with that. Like, hey, I was in a car accident. Frontal lobe is a little, because now I'm expecting anything after that. Like, oh, I get it. I understand, right? Fair. Yes. You got to lead with the frontal lobe injury, right? Well, yeah. Josh, added to the list, my frontal lobe injury. Yes. One of the top of our next

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