New Rory & MAL - Episode 449 | High School Prom

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

It hasn’t been more than a couple hours and Mal is already the main character on Twitter. Does he care though? 50 Cent weighed in on Banks vs Fab, but what does he really think? Demaris was having flashbacks to her High School Prom so we get real nostalgic and remember what our High School graduation songs were. Mass Appeal continues to show why they’re the best label out right now with a new idea for hip-hop heads to enjoy the culture. Plus, Baby D refuses to take Rory to a Summer Walker concert, and a listener calls us out on our New York bias #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Instead of eating spaghetti sandwiches, I was listening to that. That's what's going on at the time. I had that old Anita. First of all, baby D. It's a lot of carbs, by the way. Bread and pasta. Baby he came in here. You know what I'm saying?

Humming Anita. Got the them slicked cat suit on. To the hang. Yeah, I'm caught up in the rapture. I love. I just want to slow down. Yo, yeah, all right. All right.

Yo, we are back sponsored by Boost Mobile. Unlimited talk, texting data. Yo, the way she just turns into a whole new human being from the intro. She came in here. I've had no alcohol or dick. I can't take this anymore. Now, so she's in the rapture. That she's in the love rapture.

Caught up in the rapture love, baby. I know that's right. I admit figuratively. Figuratively. Oh, come on. Always. You never mean literally. But no, it's been dry.

It's been a very dry, very dry January. How dry is it? Crispy. Fonty. Panis dry. Damias is so dry. How dry is shit? Dammar's panties for like a used dryer sheet.

You know when that shit crumbled up back to me. Or the one that was left in there for a few loads. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm that guy. I leave them in there for like three drives. Don't worry about it. That's hilarious. Ebro just commented on our IG post said.

So Drake told them all, yo, Cole won't speak to me anymore. It was kind of funny when you word it that way. Ebro, shut up. That's my new shit. Yo, shut up, man. Nah, shout out the Ebro, though. Shout out the Ebro. No, that's actually very.

Shout out to Pete. Yeah. We are back sponsored by Boost. Merch is still on sale. Everything is everything. Patreon.com forward slash new Rory. Mall. Yes.

For all things, Patreon. Absolutely. Catch us over there. Getting our shh off. Getting our shh off. Netflix is already trying to censor mall clearly. Yeah, man. As you can see.

Send me a very, a very long-form email last night. To whom we made concern? Make a serve. Junior Mafia is to click. That's what the email said. Well, I mean, they sent us Sonos headphones right before that. They did. They sent us some very good headphones. Thank you Netflix for that. A nice welcome to the Netflix family. That's what's up. You know what I'm saying? We over here shaking shit. Then you ain't even get your pair, baby D?

No, you know. Oh, Netflix. You got to send another pair. You got to say. No, actually send two more. Send a pair for Pete. Yeah. Send a pair for Baby D, man. We need two more sonosis. Sonosis. Yeah. I mean, we've never really gotten a welcoming gifts. So that was actually kind of appreciate it. Yeah, that was dope. Shout out to Netflix. The volume sends you 50 pounds of popcorn every year after the holidays. One thing the vibe I'm going to do is make sure niggas got that popcorn, ain't there? But now we got popcorn to watch Netflix. See how that go? See, the volume knew what they was doing.

Yeah, every time. They knew what they was doing. They was making sure we had enough popcorn and Netflix and chill. That's all. And every single time we do a partnership with a sponsorship, I can't even speak. They send us like a snapback hat that no one's ever going to wear. Yeah. Like that material could go to homeless people.

Ship those wherever they ship when the losing team. in the finals lose, ship those to the same country. Like, boost, I love you. I promise you I'm not wearing a boost fitted ever in my life. And I don't even think that's y'all like model or your plan. Yeah. It's to get everyone. Yeah, whoever at boost, we love y'all.

But listen, it's not a paper plane time. Whatever the budget is for the hatch, y'all can cut that. Y'all can go ahead and cut that money. Save that. Donate that to charity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, save the hat money, man. Yeah, whoever they send all the losers of the Super Bowl merch to,

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Cole could never. He don't want it. So I thought I was like actually going to get lined in the barbershop today. Speaking of anandras, my barber who is also Jake Cole's barber, was like, awkwardly nice to me today. Willis isn't always that nice to me. He said I was losing weight. I was a little nervous having that barber right there

with a straight razor. This, like, this close to my jugular. Sometimes I was going to, like, hit you like, yo, this is my appointment this week with my barber. Can you come with? Like, you'd be feeling good that he uses the same clippers on cold that he uses on you? No.

I know. You tell him not to wash him between? Like, when you see a dread on the floor, you'd be thinking that's cold. Yeah. I'm sorry. No, I would say, hey, you should probably sweep up. Sweep up before I sit down, please.

Yo, Rory saved Cole Dread. He'd be like, let me take that. Let me take that. That ain't even Cold Red. He got some nigga from Brooklyn Dread in his bag. Yo, that's not Cold Red. Throw that shit away, though. Oh, my God.

Cole don't cut his dress. He'd take that shit to the studio with him inspiration. Yo. You remember, you remember. Like a rabbit's foot? He put Cole. Oh, it was dread on his keychain. You know how your grandmother used to, like, tape hair or, like, shit into a photo album?

Fuck. There, you remember at school when you had to make clouds out of cotton? You had to, like, make different clouds. He put that on a paper and, like, Coles Dress. Yo. On his fridge, he got cold red. Please. I'm not even going to fight that because I, there's nothing I can say.

That shit is funny. It's a boy. Oh, my God. Yeah, no, but it has a, it has caused, cause some. some issues in my barbershop life for this pocket no not really oh what we'll cause issues man we just we're showing we love j cole here at roar but every time i love every time i walk in like yo you just miss them you want to call them back no i'm cool yeah no i mean call them back man i mean oh it's just a conversation but now uh i don't know if the internet was going to internet i kind of knew that

was going to go viral yeah y'all was trying to clown me yesterday of like yeah y'all you should probably clip that because it's going to get clipped at five o'clock in the fucking morning Damaris wanted to take the whole shit out No, no, no, no, no. See, he's telling him wrong story. All he do is lie. You wanted to put the clip out right after we recorded. Yeah, because I knew it would get clipped by a thousand people at 5 a.m., which it did.

No, we were still the first people to clip it. Clip it? No, clip it. Yeah, like in our computer but to post it. Okay. Just because you clip it in the computer doesn't mean that the rest of the world is here. You got to post it on the internet. I don't, you know, I don't pay attention to shit like that. I mean, I just but it's okay. I think the message got out there

and we had a good conversation and through it all we still love cold we just, you know, are disappointed and we're a little heartbroken that's all it is. You aren't bullshit in 2020. Y'all, I smell it are you. Y'all know I fuck with Cole.

Y'all know that. The internet may paint it like I don't, but y'all in here, y'all know I fuck with Cole, so that's all that matters. Are you going to go to the tour? Whose tour? I'm sure there'll be a falloff tour, no? Oh, I mean, you know what's funny? And that's got to be the jersey swap, like, tour. Like, the way LeBron's going to do his last hurrah and every, after every regular season game is going to be a moment.

Like, it's going to be the falloff tour. You got to go. You have to swap hoodies with Co. I've never been to a J. Cole show, I don't think. Really? I've seen them at, I've seen them perform at, what's the spot in Brooklyn that y'all did, Ploos at one time, the outdoor spot. Oh, Barack and Mariah. Yeah, we all went together.

Yeah, I seen them near. And I think I saw them. That was their party. Yeah, I think he came out as somebody's show before and not so, but I've never been to like a J. Cole show in an arena. I mean, you didn't, you didn't believe me, but the loudest I've ever heard the garden in my entire life was at a J. Coles show. Nick's playoffs, any artist, the loudest I've ever heard the garden. He never, when Jay Cole. He never saw Jordan in the garden.

No, I did not. He don't know that. On TV, I did. Yeah, you don't know that energy when Mike came out that tunnel. You don't know. I'm too young. It was booze. I hope so.

You thought it was booze? Shit. It not for Jordan. Not for Air 23. It wasn't no booze. Hell no. Shit, I was thinking that at the Seahawks, not Seahawks, fucking Patriots, AFC game. There was more fans in Denver.

They was chanting MVP the whole time. I was like, does Denver have a fan base anymore? Yeah, they do. At an AFC championship game, the opposing quarterback is getting MVP chance for the whole game. You're that good, you're that good, man. Nah, if I'm not older. You get love home away. You have to exit.

No, you get love home. Get off my stoop. MVP at an AFC championship game. What the fuck? What do you think the ratio will be in San Francisco? I mean, Seattle's right there. It's going to be a lot of... That's going to be a rough one.

Yeah. I think it's going to be ice and Seahawk fans just everywhere. Yeah. Definitely ice. Seahawks. Yeah. I don't know. Though I do think the New England Patriot fans would be helping helping ice out.

Not only that, but Patriots fans are going to travel to California for the game. No, absolutely. That's a Super Bowl. But anyways, how's your week been? What have you been up to? Good, man. Stress free. Give us some updates.

Stress free. Me and Demaris are very, you know, in tune to your personal life. Like, is anything going on? In my personal life, that's worth talking about? No, not really. Is your January dry, too? Oh, yeah. I'm not, I'm not smoking anymore.

No, intercourse. Oh, intercourse? Desert. Desert. I don't know what a nigga lying to me. No, I'm dead. serious I had no sex. Like that girl?

Like that girl that ran through church? I ain't had no sex. I didn't see that. You never, oh man, it's a classic meat. But anyway. I never saw that way.

Yeah, so now we see dry, dry jail over here. I don't know what that nigga got going on. But not having sex for a month is not, it's not crazy though. That's like very normal to not have sex for a month. Yeah.

Now, if you have living like a boyfriend or girlfriend and you ain't got no, then y'all need to talk about something. Like we ain't had sex in a month. Like, and I have a boyfriend or girlfriend. like it's, y'all might want to have a conversation. It's called a marriage.

Nah, marriage people will be having sex. No, I know. Not like, you know, cheating couples do, but you nobody fuck more than cheating couples. Each other and others. Yeah, man, because you know when you cheat and you feel that, you know, regret, you got to go home and really put it on your girlfriend. Not even shower, right?

Yeah. Well, no, no, no. Please wash that off. Shout, shout. Like pH balance all over the place. Yeah, don't do that. Please don't do that. I saw on the way here, we had a,

a Banks and Fab conversation on Bag Fuel. Shout out to those guys. And we were not the first people to have this Banks and Fab conversation. It's kind of become a trendy thing this year. I believe, was it Mook? Mook and Lux. Yeah, I think Mook and Lux started this debate with Banks and Fab. And it definitely caught a lot of attention because everyone's debating it.

Uncle Murder and Tony Yeo, our label mate. Shout out to them. Shout out to the Breakfast Club. Shout out the murder. Shout out the Yeo. This morning. and the Breakfast Club had brought up the Fav versus Banks debate, which I was intrigued with because I consider envy to be Desert Storm,

even if he's not. That's still his lineage. And then obviously, Yale is GUNIT and Banks' brother. Yale did what we knew Yale would do, one of the most loyal people ever. He said he didn't care. I choose banks. Even when they brought up like a fair point, I don't care, I choose banks. Yeah.

You see how that works? And I love, Yale, like, he'll admit out the, gate like, nah, that's Banks, that's my brother. I'm always going to pick that. But then just bring them a point like, all right, well, Banks is about to tour. Fab not torn. It's like, well, Fab could tour. That's a moot point in that just because Banks is going out. But after that, 50 cent posted this maybe about an hour ago since we're recording this. Fab versus Banks. They both write better when it's about girls. They both think they are better than everybody. They both never put in no work themselves. They both are not likely to sell at this point.

either in their career. It's a tie, ladies and gentlemen, they are the same. I have some hate man. That's some hate you. What 50 mean by they, they both think they are better than that? Isn't every rapper supposed to think they better than everybody? That's just rap shit. That's like law is a rapist.

Well, you're supposed to say that you think that you better. But I feel like rappers know who they not better than. Oh, yeah. When you go home that night, you know when a rapper whooped your ass. Like, you know when you lay down like, dang he got it. Even not even if you engage in battle. Like, you go home and you know that there's a rapist. Like even when you do a song together, you know, you know.

You like, yeah, I ain't a lot. That nigga got me. Like, you know, but you ain't going to say that shit publicly? No. Ain't a rapper going to say that? I, that part of it, I do believe 50 there. I also think that Fab and Banks, quietly to themselves and humbly think they are better than everybody that that rap. I don't think there's no humility in it.

And I hear you. And I don't think there's any problem. The banks don't flaunt that shit unless he's rapping. And even Fab, for what it's worth, who is more in the public eye, I've been around Fab. I've been around Fab, and had conversations about other rappers and shit. off mic. That rightfully so thinks he's better than everybody. Yes. But that's what you're supposed to. No, yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not

putting out any news. Somebody shouldn't know. Any type of competitive feel, you're supposed to feel like you're the best. But there are rappers to Demaris's point that like, no, they're not. And don't think that. They could say that in a conversation like, nah, I'll wash you. But they know, they know better. Yeah, every rapper knows. Like, I can't fuck with him, but I ain't going to say that. Yeah, no. And I ain't about to go in the booth and do a song with him and feel like I about the, like, I'm going in there to bust his ass. Yeah.

So, I mean, I get that. But now, I don't know what he, what do you mean by they both never put in no work themselves? So I was trying to figure out in the way he worded it, what he meant there. I don't think he meant like they never put in no work in the street or whatever themselves. I think he was, because 50's last book, 50 Laws of Power, he has a chapter where he mentions his relationship with Banks and he's like, yo, this guy has lazy Lloyd tattooed

on him. Banks never put in the work to match his talent. He thought he could coast because he was so talented. Okay. He's been on record for a while saying those things. Okay. Now the Fab side, I feel like Fab put in a lot of work into himself and his brand. Fab is a solo artist.

He was never in a group. Like, you know, at 50 he said that about banks because the whole G unit and it feels like, you know. I understand that kind of carried his career. Yeah, but Fab is their relationship. Fab, I didn't, I was like, I don't think there's ever been a point that I felt like Fabb, didn't want it. Like banks, sometimes there was a point where I was like, he probably just doesn't like the shit. He doesn't like the limelight. He doesn't like to be around people. Like, I'm cool, bro. I'm going to do my verses. And when it's time to make some money, I'll come outside. But if

not, I'm chilling. Like, I don't want to do all this. But Fab, I mean, outside of recently has been super consistent. He's done like brand shit. He's, I don't know, Fat has always been. I'm always on the side. I do always feel like, and I think I've expressed this before, that I feel like that I feel like Fab is like very laid back, very cool. Thanks to him. Yeah, he don't really have a lot of ego when it comes to trying to prove that he's better than everybody. Like he doesn't, you know what I mean?

Like Fab is not just dropping music all the time. He's not doing a bunch of features. He's not. And we want that. Like we want the soul tape shit back. We want some of time shootout back. We want a new Fab project. I don't know why.

I think it was probably some legal things. Yeah. Fab kind of didn't want to, you know, put out new music and shit like that. But as far as like, you know, not putting in no work. I mean, I think Fab, like I said, he's since the late 90s and he's still relevant today. And even on the bank side, I guess I can understand 50's perspective there because, you know, he's known Banks since Banks was like literally a child and has watched the entire thing. So, of course, his perspective would be more of a fact than us on the outside. looking in. But I do feel in the last, I don't know, six, seven years, banks has been super

consistent. Now, as impactful from eyes like 50 cent, I can see why he would say something like that. But to a consumer and fan of banks, I think he's been super consistent and putting in a lot of work to help his brand in that regard. And what Yale said, he's about to go overseas on tour, which that's their bread and butter. Like when G unit, Wu-Tang, A-Con, like those... Any hip-hop. They'll never be broke up because they have Europe.

Yeah. Like, it'll... They'll always, always show up for them. I get it. It's just sad to see. The fab shit, I don't really care. I know him in 50 had something recent of a little back and forth,

but it's heartbreaking as a lifelong G-unit fan to see this 50 in Banks' family feud still going on. And I mean, 50s put out a record with rest in peace P&B rock. I'm going crazy that I love where he addresses the whole Banks thing. I don't know. I just hate to see this type of shit because Banks just kind of keeps to himself.

Like if Banks was outside the way Yale was and was talking as much as Yale, but in a negative way towards 50, I could totally see that. But, bro, Banks be mine of his business. Like, it's just, it's sad to see that kid. I can see 50 feeling away that being his little brother like, you don't think you reached your potential. I wish you would have done this.

I did do a lot for you. I think Banks would say the same thing that 50 did so much for him. But like, we ain't got to do this, man. Unless Banks is saying a bunch of shit behind the scenes that I don't know about. Yeah, that's different. But we also know 50 will just say something

with or without. We just speculating off of a comment that 50 made. But I mean, you know, I'm still always on the side. I'm waiting for new fab music. Like, I'm waiting for that. I've been vocal about that. I've spoken to Fab about that Like yo like what we're doing man

Yeah Because I always am down for a new Fab project When was the last time You had that conversation with Faf When we were in Atlanta The last time we had We had our show there I saw him at Copper Cove

One night Okay I went there and Because that was what 2024 last time we were in 25? No it's 24 24 Yeah

God damn fun Yeah and we had a conversation in You know He was he just started laughing like he's like you know i know i'll be hearing it i'm like what's up man who are you doing bro like we need that music but you know at his you know i guess whenever he's ready but i do think you know i never asked him personal business about his you know his career but i do think it is probably some legal contracts and things that people that's probably still

eating over his music that he's probably trying to you know moving or get away from and shit like that is the reason why he's not his output is not yeah sure because again And Fab's talent level, he still wraps better than 90% of the rappers that we have. He makes better songs than 90% of y'all. And again, I'm always down to hear some new Fab music. I mean, I do know for a fact I've recently, you know, within the last month, been in sessions. And Fab is working. I don't know if he's going to put any music out, but it's great.

Like, Fab is in shape. While I was listening to it, I was like, I don't understand why you just don't hit upload. It's right there. The button's right there, actually. I'm not here to, like, I'm not revealing. I have no idea what Fab wants to do, is doing. All I know is everything I've heard that is, like, the newest Fab music sounds incredible. I could hear him be like, oh, it's not up to par.

Maybe he's trying to get back in shape, and that's why it's great. Like, don't just upload this shit now. That's what I'm saying. It has to be some legal, something on the legal side. I could see that. Fab has been in some contracts. Yeah, I think it's some business shit that's in the way of that. Yeah, I can definitely see that.

It's sad for me to say, speaking in New York hip-hop, that it's only been like a week or two, but in this day and age, that's saying a lot that you're still listening to an album. I'm still listening to this A-Sap Rocky album every day. Like, it's still really good to me. It's good driving music and good shower music. In the cars, it's my favorite driving album right now. The music is, like we spoke about it, this might be his best album. I'm not mad at that take whatsoever.

It's so crazy that now that's how we talk. It's been two weeks. How's it aging? Yeah. Like, I still fuck with it. Shit fall out the rotation. Quick. I know it sounds crazy to say, but yeah.

Quick. You got the average lifespan of an album is probably six days. I mean, even six, you got six days to prove that this is some fire or we will never listen to this again. Even with shit I like. And this is not a slight to Travis. more of a slight to me as a consumer. I came in here when Travis put out his last project

and was like, yo shit is fire. After a week past, I was like, I'm cool. It's crazy how it works. That's a me thing. I don't know. I'm sure Travis's fan base loves it and still listening. I'm not saying no one. But me, I'm like, damn, I came in here and said,

I absolutely loved it. I'm kind of cool. I don't even know which song to run back to. It's just too much music. We have access to too much fucking music. I agree. Because we listen to old school. Like, we're just singing Anita Baker.

We're still listening to Anita. Like, so if we still listen to Anita, how the fuck we got time to listen to the new R&B girl that dropped? Like, we still listening to Anita. We still listening to Mint Baxter. Like, we're still on that music. What are our timeless records from our generation? Maybe we put a year on it.

And like, damn, I wish this was one of those we talked about before so we could come more prepared. But I'm cool having a conversation in real time. From 2000 on. Timeless? Yeah. In the last 25 years, just in general. Like, I'm talking about timeless.

You can narrow it down still. Well, all right. R&B Pop. Love on top. Okay. Is it timeless. I think Amara will sing love on top. But then again, I don't know.

I think the age difference between you and when that Anita Baker record came out is insane. Yeah. Do you think we'll have any of those records? Always on time. Ashanti Jaro. Yeah. I mean like even... You name a song.

They're the songs that they play on cruise ships. But that's what keeps music timeless. No, for sure. For sure. When it crosses all genres, like, you know, like nationalities and cultures and things like that, they all love it. Because your kid will hear it again. Because like I feel like even with timeless, like what I play in my house, another parent might

not play in their house. So it needs to be something. you're going to hear not just in my house, you're going to hear outside. Like, you're going to want to figure out who Michael Jackson is because everybody is talking about fucking Michael Jackson. Yeah. I mean, I feel like, I kind of what I'm all saying with the cruise ship stuff, I feel like songs like, Hey, yeah, have just got into that threshold where they'll be sung forever

just because they entered there. But, like, when a dorn came out, I was like, oh, look, our generation got one. Like, this is going to be played at weddings for the rest of eternity. and while it is a timeless record, in my opinion, I don't know that to be true anymore with the consumer change in music. I don't know if Adorn is really, I don't know if Amar is going to want to dance to Adorn at her wedding.

Right. Which is crazy to say, because to me, it checks every box in my head musically is a timeless record. Better question. What song did you graduate to? Graduate or pull up the prom too? Because I feel like that's my mom.

No, like, what was your graduation song? What song did they take your graduation? I don't remember. I remember my fifth grade graduation. We were supposed to dance. Well, we danced to, I think it was which R. Kelly song. Now, I believe I could fly, the other one. There's only two graduation songs.

What? Well, maybe three. Maybe I believe I could fly. Yep. Whitney Houston. The children are in our future. Did you and your brother have this conversation? Yeah.

Because your brother texts me and we have the same conversation. And Tevin Campbell? I think Tevin Campbell got one. Tomorrow? I'm sorry. Is there a Tevin Campbell version of that? There is no Tevin'amble version of that. Because I want to hear it.

Did Quincy touch that one too? I feel like Tevin Campbell got one. What's the Tevin Campbell song? Is it not tomorrow? It might be tomorrow. That's what I would imagine. Yeah, it might be tomorrow. And that's vitamin C, what Josh was singing.

Vitamin C graduation. Who graduated the vitamin C? As we go on. You graduated the vitamin C beach? We remember. all the good. Did Biggs DM me this? I know.

I definitely walk. We definitely have a Whitney Houston at my. Yeah, tomorrow. Tomorrow. Temer camera tomorrow. Arkele, that piece of shit. I believe I could fly. My eighth grade,

eighth grade graduation, not like a high school was definitely I believe I can fly. I don't even remember what played at my high school. Oh, I'm sorry. Fifth grade it was the world's greatest. We did a dance to the world's greatest at our graduation.

But I didn't get to do it. because I got like, I got in trouble. So I had to sit in a crowd. What like, one of like the church spiritual dance types of choreography? Kind of like that, but not super spiritual because it was school. But yes, it was similar to that. Josh pulled up Green Day Goodridden. Yeah.

They played that at the end of Seinfeld. So I feel like that became a tribute song, time of your life. Yeah, we didn't. I don't know my high school didn't have a graduation song. I think you had to have a graduate. What was the, what was the, what was playing? I'm saying that I don't remember. What's the graduation like actual sleep score?

Like when we were all sitting there waiting for like the the fucking speeches and shit, I was that ass like. No, not the speeches, but don't try to walk out to a song? No. Y'all don't walk into the auditor. Yeah, it was just silence. Like, nigga was just clapped? Yeah.

That's a wicked graduation. This. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah, like this. Of course that. But no, I'm saying, I think it was that for the walk-in and the walk-out. Yeah, I agree.

I don't think I would have remembered if it was like a song with like lyrics I definitely remember I believe I can fly for eighth grade Yeah I believe

I could fly It was definitely one But no I think it was I think it was just this Mm-hmm Yeah that's like And I feel like

The school Like band played it Like they were in there Tapping gowns And sat down And went back up And did the whole Okay

Thing yeah Yeah Nah we just Just press play on The motherfucking Whitney What did y'all Pull up the prom in Um

We didn't have a problem they took our prom away from us oh damn homie stole the uh oh yeah he just computer I remember that stole a computer

that's like that's fucked up though to do that to everybody for prom like I can see oh no homecoming dance there's some shit but like everybody's

all the final grades and everything was in the computer no but like and because I guess he failed he was like fuck that like he took the whole computer

he took the whole show maybe we should put together an adult prom from all Oh, that would be nice And like dress the whole thing You want a sneaker ball? No thank you

Okay It's okay What if I had one big room Full of bad bitches You still won't want to come No, maybe we could talk about that Exactly We might be able to have a conversation

About that That's the type of graduation I want What's under that gown girl And I could get a I get Seifer sounds to DJ That was King Prom DJ In New York City I could get Syf

I get Syf to do it We could do the after prom party at a at Webster Hall. That's such a that's such an after prom. No, Brooklyn Queen's after prom shit was at Westmore. That's such an after prom together, Websterhole, without a doubt. Yeah, it was the only place that allowed 18 plus two on Thursday. You want to talk about Lloyd Banks. He was big meech at the 18 plus Webster Hall Thursday nights.

Him and Juel Santano were going crazy. Fab and French ball drop might be the graduation phone for the Y-Ns. Yeah. You really? I can see them walking out to that. For the Wyand. Yeah, I can see them with the Chisdollum. Are they graduating?

No, some Wyans graduate. Yeah, some Wians graduate. You be seeing them with the Shicey's on at the graduation. So, Roy, you didn't have a song that you pulled up to Promen? Like, blasting out. Because I remember it was in Syracuse. It was our thing. You have to roll all the windows down or have the drop top.

All the small things. Truth tells. What is true? Say it ain't so. I will not go. Turn the lights off. Carry me all. Keep your head still.

I don't know me on doing. What's the rest of the lyrics? I don't know. I don't know. That's what you pulled. What's my age again? What's my age again? That's what Rory pulled up to his prom.

First of all, let's not do that. That Blink 182 album is a classic. That's a time. I love Blink 182. But no, Blink 1282, that song was probably 15 years old by the time I got to prom. I don't know. It was probably like some little scrappy shit or something. It was 2008.

Real scrappy. Which one? South and my senior high school was the South, though. Like, every hit record was from the South. Like, Fat Joe came in and at least got us there with Make It Rain, but... I thought she was about said you graduated to lean back. Even Roy Jones was forced. You got left back, left back.

You got left back. It's funny. Left back. I'm fucking crying. Here's the thing. I probably should have been. I probably be smarter now if they weren't just like, just go ahead. Yeah, no child left behind.

You just let them go. Go ahead. They didn't even say go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead and get out. Go on, man. Go on now. Yeah, we're tired of looking at your films. But no, I don't have, for junior or senior, I don't remember.

I don't even know if the limo we took, like, allowed us to play music. I pulled up the motivation. Kelly Rowling. Not cheesy, Kelly Rowland. I thought you said thug motivation. No. That would make more sensible to prom than Kelly Rowland motivation. And I was on the back of, like, the drop top, the Camero.

Camero, what are you all? Army wife? She pulled up and then dropped a drop Camaro. That's how a widow goes to a funeral. What the fuck was that? I'm fucking crying. Yo, Camaro.

You know they gave you Camaro soon as you signed up. It was a rap. I was on the back of it. That's hilarious. The motivation. My junior problem was all right. My senior problem, I had a lot of fun of it. We snuck a lot of bottles in.

That was actually a really good time. I was never, never used to like sneak alcohol in school like functions. I never did that. Unless it was like a football game. I was drinking Paul Masson at a football game. But other than that, not Paul Mason, E&J. E&J, that eases is Jesus. But he's believers. E&J in a 16 year old system is just like, it's just destroying me. That's why probably why my ovary fucked up now. That might be, hey, you might. I definitely was drinking E&J at 14 years though, for sure. Yeah. Y'all are crazy. Well, I ain't no bad. I have that 99 bananas. I can't even smell that shit.

Oh, yeah, that's how I feel about Bacardi. 99 bananas, the worst shit ever. That was like a special occasion for us at that age. 99 bananas? It was 15-year-old. That was expensive. That shit is, oh, my God. I threw up so crazy.

That shit makes me nauseous and thinking about it. Listen, man. We was mixing like Boone's Farm and fucking Everclear. Everclear being the base of Jungle Juice. Like, when my kid grows up and asks me, hey, mom, what's jungle juice? I'm like, telling them what ever, explaining what ever. Explaining Evel Clear and Devil's Spring. Like, hey, do you see what daddy puts in his car to make it work?

That's pretty much what we were drinking. Yeah. On the rocks. On the rocks. No straight. With mad floating fruit in it. Cold. That was premium gas chilled.

It was really, really all it was. Oh my God. Yeah, that was awful. Like really bad. And then Wild Irish Rose and Mad Dog 2020. Oh, you was real hooded. Mad dog. Mad dog.

And then, uh, I can see they had every single flavor you could think of. I can see the plastic bottle right now. Four local before they took the cocaine out was crazy. That was my freshman going into sophomore college summer was the four local one. I was in high school for four local. Never did a full local. You never had a four local without a crack?

I mean, with the crack in it? Oh my God. You ever had a Celsius? That's like missing. Oh my God. It's hard to explain. I can't even. That shit was battery acid.

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I wish. No, we're not 400. That was the drink of choice in the 80s. Wait, to his lawyer, he said it under oath, sir. No, Bill Cosby was, his lawyer saying, like, Quiludes was a party drug, which it was. Yeah. They had billboards of it, you know, in the 80s and the 70s, and they did, and Quaylude and a Coke. Well, it was for, like,

pregnant women and shit, right? Not pregnant. It wasn't for pregnant women. It was for women, but not pregnant women. All right. I don't know why I thought it was. Whatever the fuck it was for. I thought it was for like to help pregnant women sleep or some shit.

Well, Bill Cosby under oath admitted to refill in a recreational prescription for quailudes, as Josh. Josh, just buy the Nike sneakers. It's the third time he pulled them up. Prescription for quailudes he got from a gynecologist at a poker game seven times with the intention of giving the pills to women and hope. of having sex with them and he says he never downed a single pill himself um i believe that would fall under the the exact definition of date rape yeah the doc says that dr amar is a disgrace

gynaecologist who was cosby's friend and the poker game with cosby got the quailout prescription was hosted at cosby's los angeles house prior to 1972 um so yeah man i don't know this is not looking good for Mr. Bill Cosby. Yeah, I mean, he got off just because of paperwork, so I don't know if they're going to retry him because of this entire thing. Yeah. And this may have been under oath with the paperwork that got him dismissed. This might not even be in new information.

Yeah. I mean, it's awful, but also now you have to look at everyone else that hasn't said this under oath that we know for a fact was probably doing the exact same thing. Like we look at Hugh Hefner as an icon, right? Yeah. Someone will say he is an icon, yeah. Okay. I know where you're going.

I know where you're going. I'm not dismissing anything Bill did. Yeah. I think he should be locked up and I think the paperwork shit is bullshit and just proves our judicial system works when it wants to off technicalities and doesn't when it doesn't. But, yeah, this was a thing. It was normal. No, it was. It's even crazy that Bill was dead sober for it.

Yeah. Like sometimes if two people are taking drugs and everything. everything, it gets foggy and no one knows what they're doing and the guy ends up getting a charge, this and that's like, bro, if everyone was all in the wrong mind who knew what was going on, if you dead sober and dropping drugs without telling people, that's the definition of date rate. Now, I like two consenting adults taking drugs, blacking out and not knowing what happened the next morning. Now, I do, listen, and you know, we, how we are when it comes to these types of situation where anybody is sexually assaulted, anything like that.

But if you're in a party atmosphere in the 70s, 80s, 90s, whenever, like, there is a thing where you may party, somebody gets drunk, you may be intoxicated yourself, you have sex, you have sex, it feels consensual, you're not ripping anybody's clothes off, you're not fighting when nobody trying to take sex. And then years later, somebody says, oh, like, I don't remember what happened that night. I just know that I felt like I was, I had sex and I didn't remember consented to it. So there are things where it's like, damn. Like because we've all been to parties.

We've all been on vacations. People get drunk. People get high. Whatever they do and having fun. And you look over and be like, yo, we y'all dipped off to. And you see two drunk people coming from wherever they're coming from and dipped off from the party. And they may have did something.

And it's like, okay, but you don't ever feel like that was something that she wasn't consenting or he wasn't consenting to. Because I've been around that. And I've seen, dude, I'm like, yo. And I tell you all the time, I never was into having sex with women that was too intoxicated that I just that was never into that like I actually don't even like when women get drunk around me like that shit is you start from like you babysitting at that yeah so I don't even like that but I've been in parties with everybody's fucked up people are drunk and like I said people dip off

go somewhere in the house or go somewhere or wherever you don't know what's happening but it never in that moment you don't ever even think like he may have did something non-consensual with this girl because at that point you would check him like yo what the like you would see something or you think you would see something ain't something does it feel right i don't know if this is you know bill cosby he was a been a star for years he admits it was party you know quailudes was a party drug we know that that people was popping it just like people pop molly just like people pop e it's just different generations do different drugs like yeah but the the difference with the cosby stuff based off the testimony of countless people reputable people that were famous and didn't have any reason to lie similar to like

the cassie thing which we found out clearly was fucking true. He was dropping that in drinks without them knowing. Now, if two people take Quailudes and it gets busy and then the next morning, she's like, I didn't want to do that. Now we have a conversation. But if you're dropping Quailudes, Molly, anything in somebody's drink without them knowing, this is a clear-cut case to me.

No, I like- Listen, you're right. By the law. That's, you're absolutely right. By anything. But I'm also from a time where we was outside. And when Rick Ross said put Molly on her champagne, she didn't even know it. Most insane.

Every girl is the pool party yelled that part. Ain't nobody be like, yo, that's crazy. We all said that was crazy. He got canceled. The DJ would cut that part off and everybody started yelling that part. Now, I feel like that verse got cut within a week. No, hell, Roy, don't do that. You're crazy.

What do you mean that verse got cut? It's still on the phone. If I play a song right now, you hear that. Is it? We not doing it. Like, what? We're not doing that. Trying to remember when that whole.

That shit didn't get. That was the remix. Ross didn't even the real record. Ross didn't get heat for that for years. Okay. So maybe that's what I'm remembering that years later. Everyone was like that. Ross got heat for that years later.

Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I'm trying to remember. When that record came out, when that first came out, when that first came out, I remember every pool party when that shit came on, every cookout. Everybody was yelling that part. That was like the hook.

The second line being worse. The second bar is... I took her home and I enjoyed that. She ain't even know it. That's the crime. When you that came out? What's that? 2012, 11?

I was going to say 11. Let me tell you something. But I could be wrong. 2013. Every time that part played, you felt like that was the hook. Matter of fact, some DJs took that part and would go into a whole other record with a different beat. She ain't even know it.

She ain't even know it the record. But that was the remix, right? Ross wasn't. No, that was just. He was a feature. It wasn't a remix. He was just on the feature. Okay.

I don't know why I thought that was the remix and he featured on that. But I mean, that record went crazy. Listen, I was never at a party that the music went out and everyone said, I took her home and enjoyed it. I was, I never saw that.

I never saw that either. She didn't even know. I know that played, but that part being a moment, I personally was never around when everyone was like, dropped a mile in a drink. She didn't even know it. I took her home,

had my way with her. She didn't even know it. I don't ever remember. rapping along to that. I think I got an archive video on my Instagram with that shit. I'm going to find it. I'm telling you. It's a wild bar.

Of course it was wild. When I first heard it, I didn't, I feel like sometimes, especially back then, like, we just weren't thinking sometimes when you listen to the music. The first part in that day, that time dropped a Molly in a drink. She didn't even know it. Awful. But in that time, I can see us skipping over that. That second one, even in that time, I just don't feel like everyone would be like,

yeah. I fuck with that. That's crazy. Listen, it's a different world we're in 13 years later. I understand that. It's a different world we're in 13 years later. 13 years ago, I'm telling you, nobody really looked at that and felt no type of way. Because maybe people understood it's just a bar, it's just music.

People were like, we don't really think that that's real. But when that song came on, that was the song of the summer. Yeah. And ain't nobody be like, yo, but don't play that part. Niggas couldn't wait into that part. And I'm just saying, again, I was there. I'm just telling you out from a moment when I was here. Yeah, that shit was crazy.

I'm happy hindsight is 20-20 because that shit was fucking insane. Yeah, it is. But so was Miguel's. How many drinks? We had Miguel here. We asked him like, yo, you're going to perform. He was like, yeah, it's something performing that record. A little different than that Ross line.

Of course, it's a little different, but it's still like, what you mean? How many drinks would it take for you to leave with me? Like, what you? People could still frown. They know that that part is all I'm saying. And that's the hook. That ain't the hard. Is it Alicia Keys on that too?

That's the hook. So that's what I'm saying. It was a different time. We understand now things are different. It's a little more sensitive. You've got to be more careful with your words now. That's the good sensitivity to me is stuff. Oh, no, for sure.

But I'm just saying. I'm happy for that sensitivity. So now we talked about 13 years ago. Bill and court talked about 54 years ago. 72 where they was doing this shit. And he's one of the biggest actors. They were still debating why they let women vote at that time. This is what I'm saying.

Now, granted, it was it was wrong. And I think everybody. knew it was wrong. It's always wrong. It was everybody was doing it so or a lot of people was doing it. So he didn't find anything wrong with them. But even, yo, I remember my, my frat brothers in Philly, there was another fraternity. And there's a rumor. That's why I'm not going to say what the other fraternity was, that they stopped going to their parties because when they would walk in, they'd be, I don't want to say what their jungle juice was called. There'd be two jugs of it. And they would tell them like, yo, drink out of that one, not that one. And they was like, yeah, we can't,

what the fuck's wrong with y'all? Drink out of that. a very popular frat but i want to put that on them because one it's a rumor and two that's just one chapter that doesn't define a whole fraternity but that to me was crazy when i was in college like wait so they they just told the guys in the party which one to drink from that's crazy like that's just that's just rape you're literally in a frat you're gonna pussy flies at you you'll be fine you don't need to drug girls for it like that was but again even that like remember when they say spike the punch well that's what they that's all still like

nobody don't know what's in this. Yeah. So, you know what I mean? Again, we're talking about, we used hearing this in movies when they were high school. Somebody go by the punch bowl, drop something in there, give his man the bottle back. Like, they don't know what they just put it in that. I'm talking about this was normal shit. Again, I understand now, 2026 things are different in the world.

Thank God. But I'm just saying, Bill Cosby, 1972. We're talking about whatever 70 years that was, I can see how at that time. It was things that was going on that was perceived as normal. Yeah. Perceived as fun. Popping quay ludes, whatever. Fun time, party time.

I mean, let's not get into the, fucking, I'm not. Into the 80s and what was the club in New York that everybody wanted to get into? Greenhouse. In the 80s? Who wanted to go to Greenhouse? Studio 54. Studio 54. Yeah.

If we start talking to some of the bouncers and wageses at studio from Studio 54, Oh, I know they was carrying half dead bodies out. They're going to be like, yo, fam, like, that was regular shit. Like, we, you know, like, I get it. Somebody woke up in 1999. It felt like, damn, yo, I ain't going to lie. I felt like they took advantage me in 75. Like, okay, but like, in 75, that's what I was doing for fun.

And that's also why I hate some of the holier-than-thou people in this time. Because a lot of people, which is not excusing anything, are just products of the time. that they were. So everyone that is like social justice warriors on Twitter, I'd be curious to see if we placed you in a time machine in the year of slavery, how liberal you'd really be. Yo. No, I'm serious. A lot of people act like, I would have been the only one in Alabama going, this is wrong. Yeah. I don't know if you would, dog. No. You'd have been out there picking that cotton with everybody else, fam. No, what I'm saying is white liberals. Oh, no, no. I'm talking about white It was like, yo, Mom, you wouldn't have been this guy.

I don't know. We have to abolish this. I don't think you would have been that. No. I think a lot of y'all are saying it now because it was trendy because I wasn't saying it five years ago. Yeah, I think people just need to keep that in context. The world is different than it was however many years ago.

But at a time. I'm glad we're in a time where people are that hyper aware. I'm not saying that hyper scared, hyper aware that they would even think that they would be that progressive in those times. I'm glad people think that because this is sensitivity. I'm happy that the changes have been made. Like we shouldn't think any of this is okay. And if that takes people thinking that they would never do this in this time,

cool. I'm with you. But I just think some of y'all are full of shit and say things just because it sounds good. A lot of y'all full of shit. And just as a reminder, in case we have young listeners, okay, a drunk person, even if you are drunk, a drunk person cannot consent. So if you haven't, especially, my number one rule is this, if you have not had sex with this person before, do not have sex with them for the first time drunk.

I don't get fucking one drink, two drink, three drink four. Do not. That's always been crazy. Do that. Always. Do not do that is wild. You're not, I'm not saying you're a bad person. It's not about that.

It's not about, I'm trying to keep you from some shit. Just please, do not. Keep you away from the podium. Yeah. Do not have sex with drunk girls. No matter how hard they're trying to have sex with you. I'm talking about I don't remember. You remember.

Stop. No, I'm just saying that. They should take what you're saying seriously because I'm saying they'll end up at the podium. I'm like, yo, I didn't remember. I don't feel, no, you remember. You remember which I did coming back from Six Flags? Man, just back of that bus. Go, go home, go home and beat off.

Go home and hit your rows. Live to fight another day. Live to fight another day. You don't need to do that. You can have sex on another time. And, I mean, that even starts the relationship better, in my opinion. We all lusty and shit when you are drunk and don't fuck. Now we got some tension to be sober and fuck.

Yeah, especially if you stay tonight. don't fuck, y'all wake up in the morning, that's when the sex is gonna be good. Just chill. Just go to sleep. Let that girl go to sleep. Yeah, calm your horny ass down. Relax. That pussy ain't going nowhere. Just chill out. Just relax. If she like you, she like you. Nicking, chill. Relax. It's all good. But let's get back to music. Let's get back to the music. It's always about the music, Rory. Mass appeal. No matter what they tell you, Rory, it goes back to the music. Mass appeal. You guys, you guys, you guys have my heart.

You guys, you guys just keep doing amazing things that I am so jealous that we aren't able to do stuff like this. So after having one of my favorite years of hip hop in 2025 with what Mass Appeal did, without a doubt, a label of the year. Shout out to everyone over there. They have a new idea for 2026. They posted this on their Twitter today. For decades, dream collaborations have lived in conversation. the overdue, the inevitable, and the unexpected. They're starting a program called Imagine That

that invites you to submit your ideal artist to artist or artist to producer pairings and see which vision we're bringing to life. So on their website, on Mass Appeal, imagine that. Mass Appeal, you can type in the artists and producers that you would like to collab on an album. This is pretty much like the drafts we do on Patreon

or the conversations we have, but mass appeal actually has the power and relationships to make it happen that's why i'm saying in a healthy way i'm jealous of how cool this is going to end up um what a way to follow in my head we never spoke about it but after we did the ghost face um interview and went to the mass appeal pop up and saw all the installations i was like how the fuck could they follow this up how do they keep this theme moving within their label trajectory. And now we have this. Now fans get to pick a collab and Mass Appeal can try to make it happen.

Roy, but to be on there submitting 50 times a minute. Oh, yeah. No, I've already, and I was like shooting for the fucking stars on shit. What were you saying? I was like, yo, YG and Pete Rock. GZ and Premiere. What's up? Let's go.

I feel sorry for whoever has to go through all of these submissions. It's going to be a lot of just shit like, oh, all right. It's going to be a lot of artists saying me. Yeah, like me and my man. Me and DJ Premiere. Yeah. Me and Primo. Me and Primo.

Here's a link to my Instagram. Yeah. Me and Alchemist. That make it happen. But this is cool, though. Yeah. This is a really cool idea. And I think, I mean, I'm sure they have some type of AI program that can sift through all the

madness. And I don't know if they're going to end up going with the highest percentage of, collabs or whatever, but I do think they probably have some in mind already that are going to go against this entire thing. Because that's tough to just find

sifting through all of this program. Yeah, that's a lot. But like even people were, go up to that one, Josh. People were posting theirs. I also love that too, that fan generated stuff where you can post what you wanted to put up. I always think that stuff is the best way to go about.

Lube Fiasco, Naz, produces Madlib, DJ Dye, Farrrell and Alchemist. Oh, you niggas just trying to rap, rap. You niggas is overly. Overeign. All right, well, definitely a big crit fan here. Shout out to Critt.

Kendrick, Big Crit, J.I.D. produced by Big Crit. Battle Cat, Farrell. Battle Cat and Big Crit on production would actually be fire. I'm not mad at that one at all. Cannabis, Raskass, Killer Priest, Corrupt. DJ Mugs. That's a hip-hop fan.

Yeah, that niggie just came home. Who is that? That's a fan. Welcome home, Jack Goodson. We're glad to see you out of that. Yo. From behind the G-wall. He said cannabis, raskas, who else?

Killer priest and corrupt with DJ mugs. You don't have many bars that in? Yeah, yeah. What's it, John Goodson? Yeah, Jack Goodson. Welcome home, Jack Goodson. That nigga is. He definitely went in the 98.

Lupe Nause, Black Thought, produced by hip-boy, alchemist, Mad Lib, Danger Mouse. Oh, my God. I love that Danger Mouse was thrown in the mix there. So they want Nas to rap some more. Yo, just Nas and Danger Mouse would be kind of crazy. Nause again, Nas, Azee, Comega, Foxy Brown. So the firm.

Oh, so the firm. The firm just without dread. Yeah, the Alchemist, Havoc, conductor, and hip boy. I ain't mad at that. What's interesting with these collabs is less about the rappers to me for producers together. Those type of producers trying to put an album together is kind of nice. Like, I could see put three art. and then one producer.

But yeah, trying to get Al-Had, like, that's... Well, Al-Hav is not a stretch. That's fine. They did the last MobbD one. But once you start adding in Hit Boy, that's just a... I mean, hit-boy and a lot of producers in the way that they produce. But, because that's only really like a hip-hop thing where it's a one producer. That's also why I hate some of these new hip-hop fans.

When they, they just got their Spotify. credits finally for the first time in their life they're seeing who's produced the song because they never opened a CD and went through the booklets they didn't live that. So now they can go on Spotify and try to discredit an artist because there's seven fucking producers on a record.

It's like, no, that's how music has always been made. Hip hop is the first genre that's ever had one producer. And people don't understand producing, that we're producing. I think it has more meaning than people think. Quincy Jones produced thriller. There was 75 people on each song.

Yeah. So people don't understand that part of it. So five producers on one beat is not like and I fuck shout out the money man. But that's not crazy. That's not crazy though. Five people producing one beat is diabolical. It's not. That's actually very normal.

Like the way Kanye's credits look when you're also adding in samples as well. Because then whatever sample is. it is Kanye usually samples soulful shit from 70s, whatever, that's already going to have 25 producers on it. So add those 25 to that plus all the musicians Kanye is using. And you're going to have 50 people on a fucking record. Like anti sounds the way it does because, yes, each record has 50 producers. Yeah.

That's the point. It's collaboration. Back to the conversation we had the other day, you was actually right when it comes to hip hop and it being like business on the business side of it, production. It is tricky because. of samples, clearances, other labels, other artists. You throw more people in that pot. So yeah, he was right. He must have talked to hop.

No, no, no. I just... Hopped them all. Shut up, yo. No, no, no. It wasn't that. But when you think about it, like, that is, because now you're bringing in people that, you know, it's probably not even alive. Somebody owns the estate. Now you got to go through lawyers. Now you got to go through. It does get a little... And on top of that, like, let's use Quincy Jones, for example. Just putting his name on something at that time is going to make.

the record bigger as is. And Quincy knows that. If my name is on this, it's going to be worth more money. My name is worth more than just the music I'm playing. Right. So the 10 musicians he's using, I'm walking in this studio, my minimum with Pub, just putting Quincy Jones on it is 30. Right. Like you, and shit, Beyonce, I don't know her splits, but an artist like Beyonce, when she walks in the studio, even if she's not writing something, she's going to get a pub on that because it's Beyonce. Yeah. No, that's... She just, her name brand is putting in, this song could be the greatest thing ever, but I'm singing it. Yeah. But some people would argue that's not how Pub works. Pub should just go to who's writing. But at the same time, the writers wouldn't get the money they

deserve if this person didn't sing it. I see both sides. That's why it's the most difficult conversation ever. Yeah. If Rihanna doesn't sing Kiss It Better, is everyone going to get the money that they think they deserve. Right. Yeah. Make sense. Pub is interesting, but no disrespect to money, man. I just think that's kind of a...

It's very common. It's a novice thought when it comes to production, because that is very much a hip-hop thing, and very much, you know, rap duo shit, Eric Bean, and Rocket. Like, that all started with the DJ and the MC, and then it turned into the producer and the MC. That's how hip-hop started,

but they were still sampling at that time. if you even go to what the breakbeat is, it's a sample. Someone else would get the pub. There'd be other writers on a breakbeat. Not just the DJ. Yeah. It's complicated. So I hate when fans do that on Twitter of like, look at how many writers.

And also writers, they get that wrong so much. Writer in the Spotify category, a rapper could go in there and wrap the entire verse, hook. He wrote everything by himself. There could be seven writers on there because they're also crediting the guy that played bass. He's a producer and a writer because he wrote the baseline. You write music. You write lyrics and you write music. So, yeah, there's going to be seven writers on that song

because people wrote the notes that you're hearing. Yeah. Are we getting too nerdy right now? No, but we did have this conversation. So we can move forward, but Rory is right. Yeah. No, I just, with that tweet that Josh pulled up that it's diabolical to have five producers. I wish more y'all would have five producers on your song.

Hello, that's what I should be asked. More y'all need five producers on your music. You need a lot of people in them studios with you. We were spoiled by Just Blaze when I was a kid. But then again, Just is going to hire a whole choir. And that's what he's going to chop up. Yeah, some of y'all need more produced. Some of y'all don't just need fruity loops in your microphone.

Go get a fucking musician to play. Or learn how to read and write music so that you can do some new shit and not just go like this. I need a little beatmaker to chop up. And that's what's up. Shout out to that. Don't do that. I'm not, hey, let me finish. Because even 80s pop was made that way too.

Okay, let me finish. Not everybody is talented for that, talented enough for that to be enough. And that's why some music sounds boring and doesn't sound layered enough. Some people can do it, but not everybody can. And there's too many people trying. But to me, a lot of the sample MPC keyboard producers, I would love for them. They put together the greatest beats. like the way a conductor for example who's one of my favorite producers period

conductor will come up with everything mpc sample get on the keys and then maybe come in and be like all right i have this baseline i made off my keys and my mpc but i'm going to have someone replay it live like i wish more of the mpc producers would do that with that feeling that life like i'm gonna come in with a horn player i may i may have sampled some horns i'd rather have them live yeah and then that's going to be another credit guys sorry on spotify i know you want to see one person and one person, but that's just not how the world works. Yeah. Oh, buddy, the Drake cast has brought us to the big game.

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Hi, Justice. All of a sudden, now it's high justice. I always don't do that. You know I love Justice. They always wave when they said. You said happy birthday to him in May? No. Yeah, I did actually.

When's his birthday? I don't know. his exact date. See, this I'm saying. But you know when summer coming in New York, though. Well, I mean, it's on the list. All right. Well, Justice, his birthday is on the list, too.

Okay. When is summer in New York? June 2nd. All right, June 2nd. So, like I said, you're going to have to get Justice a birthday present. His birthday is right before that. No, I'm going back to. I'm keeping a tradition going.

I'm going to Toronto to see her. I went to see her first tour in Toronto. It's only a, what, a week apart. go to both. Yeah, I'm going to Toronto. I love Toronto. I got to keep the tradition going, baby, Dee. You know what I mean, what you saw her in Philly. So like, you'll see her anywhere. I didn't see Summer walking in Philly. Yeah, she did. You did. We took a sprinter by yourself. Excuse me. That was so much. That was Snallel, Agra. Oh, no, baby. No, baby. We were at the roots. We were at the Roots picnic. It was summer, yeah.

We were all, we all went insane. We all went and seen Summer Walker together at the Roots picnic. You mean what we were performing at when we? Yes, but you still Can I mean? No, I'm talking about the time he took a sprinter by himself down 95. There wasn't a 14 other seats. That was snow allegra. Yeah. That wasn't something that was snow. See?

Okay. It was winter. Wednesday. It was winter. It was snow and it was snow. It was snow and it wasn't. Yo, I'm telling you. Col can never.

Cole has a problem on his hands. Cole could never do a four seasons on tantra. Yeah, I'm going at Toronto. And she's bringing him on a Leo. We all suck. Shout to him on. Odeal is fire. Also, LBRN artist, but he's firing his own work.

That's a nice lot of project. That's a lot of good music. Nah, that 802 at the O2 in London? Oof. Wait, hold on. Hold on now. Hold on now. O'gishacking what they're saying in London.

Boy, my head. Oh, to the bed. Da, da, da, da, da, boy. Ma. I'm so fucking stupid. Ma, you know, I rarely ask for thank you. Here we go. Everybody on, in our staff, family.

my actual blood family, my daughter, all that needs to thank me. I would abandon you guys so quickly to move to London. You guys are the ones keeping you. Abandoned me? No, you and I would move to London. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm about to say, you think I wouldn't move to London? The only thing stopping me from doing that is like, you know, this responsibility shit here.

Yeah, this shit, this home that we've built. I could do this in London. Love London. You know how I feel about London. One of my favorite places. But no, we'll do the Brooklyn show. But if it's just me and you, are you fine with that? Like, does it have to, are you bringing?

Like, what are you saying? Because sometimes I'm what you say. This is where, like, friendship lines get blurred sometimes. I love blurring friendship. Go ahead. Because me and Demaris, no whole bars on anything. But sometimes when she asked for tickets for stuff, I'm like, you know as a show I'm a go-to and I only may get so many tickets.

So that means you and me are going. And I don't know if that was your plan. Yeah. that definitely wasn't her plan. Let me interject. That was not Demaris's plan to go to Summer Walker with you. I'm aware. Okay.

That's not true. That's not true. Demaris already got her outfit laid out. Let me look at the other date. She already got the person she knows she wanted to go with. Like, now she's looking at other dates. Like where they go? Maybe I might go to Atlanta.

Like Brandi and Monica. No, that was hilarious. I don't know if anyone listening caught what you said. you know the Paris said I'm cool she's cool hold on hold on yeah it's cool because the summer from Atlanta

yeah so DeMaris you couldn't get passes you never want to go to a show in Atlanta that's it's over it's cook why I live in Brooklyn everybody comes here I'm saying but she gets PTSD anytime she sees a Mercedes best quick flight

quick flight to Atlanta that's like why it's mad listening they got food in Atlanta they go to Philly they go like it's I don't need It's mad places She's in the cheesecakes and shit You go to Baltimore

I was gonna say She got a DC show? She got a DC show? I was going to say, Marmo wings. Baltimore. Yeah, I was going to say, maybe I might ask for tickets

to the Baltimore show. Bemore is a great city. Great city. But yeah, I'm very self-aware, that she did not want to go to the Summer Walker show with me. And I'm saying the amount of tickets

I can get, one of them is mine. Yeah. Yeah. So it might be a brandy of Monica situation again where it's like, it's going to be me and you. Fine.

I'm going to Toronto though, so it's all good. We'll know a lot of people at the that you don't have to just sit with me. You don't know people there. I don't mind, like, I don't mind hanging out with you. I don't mind. That ain't even sound like.

You don't need a lot of, that's like somebody's like, you know what's like? You're like, I don't know what I mean if you want to go. It's like you won't sound like you want to go though. No, it's not that. I originally was asking for me to Alex, but. We know that.

We know your road dog. So Alex could get killed. kicked out again. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we know. I'm just saying, we know how Alice get down at live shows is all I'm saying. We know her get down is all I'm saying. Anyway, but yes, Lori, I would love to go with you.

But I am going to ask for a ticket to the Baltimore show as well. Be more. You know, I know. I know. I like fake live there for a while, so maybe I want to go to the Baltimore show. Fuck. Like, a nigger like a herpes bump. Like, you just can't get rid of them.

Who's your valetrics? No, Maris is not trying to go see someone working with you, dog. Like she's not fucking with you That's not true At all She's trying to go somewhere I'm so somewhere She's ready to go to Baltimore

I know neither of you want to go With me to any show Because I'll go with you to Toronto Let's see his response We out We out or like I'll meet you there Oh he for show me at you there Yeah

There's a difference between we out And I meet you there You want to take the same flight Like I don't know how this is like I don't know We've taken the same flight Same hotel Same Uber car

Same show And I've still never seen you What are you talking about? But I've never going to a show to Toronto when you was in Toronto, though. I took you to Daniel Caesar as my date. But yeah, but we went together, though. See, that right there throws your theory out the window. We went together.

No, no, but here's the difference. Not to say you couldn't get Daniel Caesar tickets, but I just had the plug because I'm close with him. Yeah. You could get Summer Walker tickets without me in a heartbeat. It would take one, hey, what's up? Can I get some tickets? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I'd be on the same itinerary as you.

I had, I had, the tickets were under my name. Okay. That's why you had to go with me. No, Pige was saying when we were in London, so outside of the Daniel Caesar show, every time we've ever been in the cities, I've, like, wanted to go to shows and shit. Like, you know, just, just be in the pulse of the city. Yeah, support. The social pipeline of the arts.

Yeah, yeah. And Leon Bridges is, is, is an associate. Yeah, I fuck with Leon. And he happened to be at Earth Theater, which we performed at, which was like my favorite venue, I think we've ever performed at. And he was there doing like an intimate, like invite only show thing. And I had three tickets after I had just gotten tickets for all of us. Go to the festival. I thought everyone was just going to go to sleep.

And I had three tickets. And for the first time ever, Maul and Benner were like, yo, I'll roll. And I was like, out of all the things, they were going, both of them are going to walk in there and kick up a fuss. that I dragged them to this event. No, that's not true. So what happened was... And I know you fuck with Leon Bridges, but it was very much an intimate R&B set,

like where I feel like... But we were... It's more of my thing. We were coming from... We were coming from... Yeah, but you guys had said you weren't going, and I was like, why am I going to get in the Uber? And then both y'all out of nowhere decided

y'all roll with, and I was like, fuck. Yeah, but it was cool, though. I know it was, but... Yeah, I could see y'all faces. No, I enjoyed the show. The show was cool. I enjoyed the show. of Leon. The show was incredible, but it was like a sitar and a fucking stand-up.

Yeah, it was a, you had to be in that mind state. And you and Ben and weren't in that mind state. That's not for four of the fellas to go together. Exactly. That's not that. And I was just going to go by myself and just, you know, sit right there and watch. I get it. The three of us pulling up, I was like, why doesn't mall rule me when I go to the strip club? He wants to come with me now. Yeah, I want to hear some music, which made me think that you've never gone out with me since. And you think that's, that's my style. I met you at the, I met you at the, what is the, who does the,

when we went to the, when Nick went with it. I'm talking to remember the name. Marlon Kraft, Marlon Craft. Marlon Craft. He has a residency at New Blue, which he still does. Marloncraft.com.

Yeah, but that was, see, don't do that because that's because Nick and Marlin respect each other and Nick was going to come. If Nick wasn't here, you wasn't pulling up. No, I would have pulled up. Because my other boy was telling me about that spot for a while. I would have pulled up. No, New Blue, if you,

You're in New York City, Monday nights especially are the best. If you love jam sessions, random producers just doing shit. But Marlon has his residency there. And I brought them all there. But that was a great event. I was happy you came to that one just to show that, like, I have range in my invites. No, that was cool. That was a good show, for sure.

Demaris, I just have to find, like, hose and she's there. Well, they're going to be at the Summer Walker show for sure. Nah, all the holes. The last hole you had me around, I could have did without. Oh, yeah. Oh, God. Oh, Ma. Did I ever tell you about that?

I never told him all about that. You never tell me about the hoes, baby. He was there. He was there. He was there. I was there. With the ho? Patreon.

Patreon. Oh, okay. My bad. Not like a hoe. I was like fucking or anything, but, you know, a whore. Yes. You know. It just makes every situation annoying.

Yeah. We went to Leon Thomas together. We had a good time. So we can go start. I was a third wheel there. Do you guys ever have that anxiety of when you're the one inviting people to events that you, events you can't even control. Like, I hope everything is smooth.

All the time. I hope everything is cool. That's why I don't bring anybody to events with me unless we're really, really close. Like, for example, that was my boyfriend at the time or like Alex. I can't bring like, because like looking like you, I don't want to make it seem like I'm the plug and I'm not the plug and shit, not plugging in.

I don't like that. Just like, not that. Just not plugging in. Just more so like, is it going to be cool? We're all old. Like, do we have a spot? to sit. That's the number one thing. Do we have a spot to sit? Are we comfortable? Yeah, it's less about the plug shit. Is it going to be a good experience? My biggest fear is somebody giving me

tickets to something and I go and they're like, your name is man on the list? Mm, mm-mm. That's very embarrassing. And I got somebody with me. That's so embarrassing. That felt like it was going to happen to me when I went to go see Usher. But I was just at the wrong gate. I walked up, they was like, no, we ain't got. I was like, you don't play with me like that. You got a girl with you? Yeah. I had my whole week. I was like, don't play with me like that. And then I hit JD.

He was like, nah, they said it's at the other gate. So I had to go like walk around the other side. That's how I was. And the crazy shit is I had two sets of tickets for Atlanta, one music fest. And that line was around the corner. I walked all the way to the front of the line. I was like, I'm immediate. It was like, well, you're not on the list.

I said, man, call somebody. I start naming names. I got my ticket. Not being on the list and you walk in this people standing behind you. And they know they're on the list. That's the worst thing for it. Now you got a fake stand on the side and start texting. That shit is so embarrassing.

I'll go home. I'll go to fuck home. Pretending you on the phone? Yeah, like. Yeah, no, yeah, no. Yeah, no, no, y'all, y'all. Y'all, go ahead. I'm talking to Bryson to him personally right now.

Their computer system was down at One Music Fest, and that's why. But I'm like, y'all going to get somebody on this phone. I had to start acting like Rory. I was like, y'all going to get somebody on his phone. I think I text Rory, too. I was one that got you the past for that shit. Yeah, one of my sets. I didn't go to Bryson, Chris.

Yeah, but you, uh, I had to FaceTime you with the ticket person and show your passport. Yeah. I wasn't doing that. I literally got dressed. It was, it was thunderstorming, I think.

Yeah, it was down. And I had got dressed and I put, you, I'm so weird. I spray cologne on. I was like,

yo, I just put cologne on and go see a nigga on stage. I was like, what am I doing? There's going to be women, bro.

Yeah, but it was still, I put on a alone before I come here. Like, I don't know, it's part of a routine. So,

baby these hair. She don't give a fuck what I smell like. Yeah, but you got to, I do. I don't want you to smell like wet dog, so please put like some. Have I ever smoked like wet dog? No, because you put perfume on. He's white. You smelled like wet dog before. That's just your fair.

The top of that head in the rain. Mm-hmm. It's not even enough hair for that. Yeah, but the scout. It's the scout. It's the scalp. It's the skin. It's your skin. But I put perfume on so peach, so peach. Baby, baby it's maybe it's maybe. Maybe it's maybe it's the skin. It's the scalp. Don't wear black without the blue or whatever that shit used to be called. Oh, man. No, but seriously, I don't.

I don't smell like a wet dog. Okay. No, but like, not, but really, I don't. Okay, shit. Believe you. No, but I don't. Oh, man.

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I'm hearing Rory talk about the kid, Cuddy, Jim Jones, debate. And he's going to say, I forgot the time period, he just fucking said. but he just said New York Radio ran the 50 states. He lost their fucking mind up in Texas. New York, they never ran the fucking radio in Texas like fucking ever.

Never, ever, ever have we based our listening off of fucking New York radio. Let's get this shit straight. We always play our artists out here. Always. Yeah, always. Period. The South does that. That's why all our artists when me and had,

before you sign their deals to me in there with a million employees signed his gym. We love community. Paul Wall, Mike Jones, the host, House, were millionaires for his time they deal. Don't listen to I'm so happy if anything his fucking name right now.

He says something with a million name before I sign. All our artists right now are still millionaires because it's down here because we listen to the fuck we want to. Bush and Weber are big because of down south. Y'all only know them for fucking white me down. like I remember when Boucha got out

I went to hot, hot and the deeper I'm going to say, well, we know it wiped it down, so what's songs some people listen to? And we're like, what the fuck are you listening to the time? Mucci's your legend out here. Yolly, never ran the fucking radio in the sound, ever. Here's the thing. I completely agree with everything this gentleman

just said. I don't disagree with one thing that he said. I also think A Millionaire and Paul Wall were amazing entrepreneurs that were millionaires, because they was selling shit out they trunk before any record really hit. I think he misunderstood what I was saying as far as New York radio with program directors and major markets of things being proven when it comes to records that got as big as day and night are.

I am not saying that New York music ever controlled anything in the South. We were just talking about prom and I said in 2008, the South was running everything at that time. I am not saying that New York music controlled anything that was playing on Southern radio. I'm saying with records, pop records that were like day and night. It came from a hip-hop space, but that is a pop record now. That shit is a classic pop record. For sure. The most major market and where all the radio execs, label execs, everyone that got shit moving

and could really press a button at that time because internet was still the internet. Don't get me wrong. But 08, I saw a lot of people. people on Twitter killing me in the comments of that of like we didn't listen to hot 97 in 2008. Cool. If you didn't, I didn't either. I had an iPod. I wasn't, I wasn't really listening to Hot like that. But you're very naive if you think radio still matters in 2026. You don't think it mattered in 2008? Radio really mattered at that time. And where every radio exec was at, where every label exec was in New York City, which made it have even more purpose at that time.

That's what I was saying as far as the trajectory of anything that happened. I'm not saying that there wasn't mixed show shit with Houston DJs that didn't make Paul Wall and Camillionaire Power. Of course, the South has always had better radio. Anytime I've traveled, I don't mind sitting in the Uber and listening to the radio. South DJs are smoking ours up here. They play fucking amazing music. They play local shit. I love what the South does.

But as far as that radio rotation with those hit records, T.I. I'll tell you. You got to go to New York. at the time T.I. was trying to pop. You had to go to New York to get your shit really in rotation around the country because syndication started a few blocks from here at IHeart Radio. Syndication started in New York City. So I understand what this gentleman is saying.

He completely missed my point, which is probably my fault for not articulating it correctly. But I'm not talking about New York music. I don't think Jim Jones' day and night remix played in Houston. Yeah. I don't think that at all. all. I'm saying a lot of decisions that were being made, the pulse of New York mattered at that time with what was going on and what was working because those people were living in New York City. It's actually, it's a fact. It's not even really a debate. I always tell a story about

seeing future Incent City when he was working his Tony Montana record. Never heard the record before that, Incin City one night. See this skinny, tall guy with dreads jumping up and then. He's the only one that knows the words, but it was catchy. Me and my own boy Leaveson City. We saw rhyming Tony Montana with everything. About to go get some food, Tony Montana, get some pizza, whatever, everything was Tony Montana. And then two days later, heard it on the radio. Yeah.

And I also want to be very clear that I'm not saying that even in 2008 radio execs or major label execs were the most important fucking people. At the end of the day, what Houston does on an independent level. level is so admirable what New Orleans has always done on an independent level. The streets made all those records hot. And then the execs had to catch up. But I'm saying a record like Dan Knight in that pop worlds, you do need a little bit of a push in a button from major radio and major labels that were in bed together at that time. Right. And IHeart media, which was also, when you were saying 106, Hot 97 obviously isn't part of that, but... Syndication matters.

Syndication starts in New York City. It's just a fact based off the people pushing buttons starts here. It's not what y'all were doing. I don't think New York City had anything to do with Paul Wall, a millionaire, fucking cash money, none of that shit to pop. And Kit Cuddy, day and night would have been day and night. It was clipped up. Thanks, Pige.

Day and night would have been day and night. I know a lot of people just watch the clips and not watch the full thing. I'm not saying that Jim Jones made fucking day and night work. I'm just talking about people that worked in the, city made the decisions at that time and New York was prevalent behind the scenes even with southern music at that time. But shout out no, I'm never giving New York credit for Paul Wall or Camillian. Like, come on. What are we talking about? Thank you for that, Matthew. Thank you for getting Rory right. Getting him together. He got you together real quick. Yeah. Made you explain yourself.

If it wasn't for Papoose, I don't think sitting sideways would even be what it is right now. Oh, man. All right. Well, we're going to Patreon. That we are. We got more energy for Patreon. We good. I'm ready to go. All right. Well, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed.

I'm then. He's just... Peace. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep. That's me.

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