New Rory & MAL - Episode 453 | THE MAL-OFF

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

The gang is back after a fun filled weekend of real rap sh*t and football. They start off with a review of the game and the half time performance, acknowledging critiques that we all heard. Chris Brown had some things to say - and we may or may not agree. And finally, the J. Cole album we ALL have been waiting for has dropped - and the entire team’s reaction may surprise you. All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-foreverSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the Cino's show on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, ma, I figure for this episode, we just, we get a much needed break. Yeah. And just ISO right over there. What's up? How you feeling? I feel amazing. You look amazing.

Thank you so much. It's a different glow to me. It is? I've been inspired. Yeah. I thought it was the light. No, it's not. It's me.

Nah. You didn't change the color on that light, but behind you? So, I mean, it's natural. God-given. No, see, baby, look good. Yeah, you know, thank you. Rap God-given. Yeah, rap guy-given.

How are y'all feeling, man? How was y'all weekend? It was good. Did y'all watch the Super Bowl? Most boring Super Bowl all the time? Don't do that. See, that's the problem. People can't say it's the most boring because then if it's a game with both teams score 40 points

and y'all like, oh, nobody plays defense. And because it's a defensive Super Bowl, people call it boring. No, I like Super Bowl's when everyone scores 40 points. Yeah, that's like, it's great. I don't know what you're talking about. I love that shit. That was a good game. It was with 29, 13.

Final score. We could start there. That score doesn't reflect the ass whooping that happened to the new one of the Patriots. Yeah, it was an asswoping. Like, if you saw that score and didn't see the game, you would think like, oh, okay, whatever. That was a royal asswhip. I feel like if it was five quarters, though, the Patriots are the one. If it was five quarters.

What gave you that idea? Not because Drake, he just started, you know what I mean? He started realizing towards the end of the fourth, he was like, And then you start warming up at the end of the game. You know, when the jitters went away, it's a little more intense. The game, even though the NFL game is already fast, though, most players will say, you know, the Super Bowl, the game seems to be faster. You know what I'm saying?

Because there's so much on the line, players are more intense. Everybody's leaving on the field. Nobody cares about next week. No, I hear you. There's definitely Super Bowl jitters, but when you're left tackle and left guard decide not to show up to the game, I don't care how nervous or not nervous. Yeah, the offensive line, y'all could have stayed on the bus with that. I don't, y'all didn't give Drake May a chance back there to do anything.

How many times you got sack? Every time. 10? Like something like that. Every time they hiked the ball, they were in his face. Oh, man. But shout-outs to the Seattle Seahawks, though, for one in the Super Bowl. Yeah, and the announcers made a good point. Sorry to cut you off there.

The announcers made a good point with their defense. They had, like, the least nationally syndicated games. Mm-hmm. Myself included. I don't think the world knew how good Seattle's defense was. No. I mean, well, people that watched the NFL all year, they knew exactly how. This was the number two offense in the league

versus the number one defense. So the number one defense showed up on the biggest night. They did. Listen, man. I was arguing my pops before that this doesn't even compare to the Richard Sherman years, Legion of Doom, this and that. I don't know, man.

I might have been the best defense performance I've ever seen in Super Bowl history. That's up there. That's like Ravens type shit. Or was the Patriots just that bad? Listen, that's what I'm saying. I don't want to take nothing away from the Seahawks defense, right?

Because obviously they're number one defense for a reason. but the Patriots offensive line, man. And then Brable's airing shit out with nine minutes left in the fourth. Like it was a terribly coached game. No halftime adjustments. I was like, you know what? Brable's going to get in his Belichick bag. They'll be all right.

They came out. Same game plan. Yeah. I thought they were going to sneak Brady and Drake May's uniform at halftime. Because they kind of built the same. You know what I'm saying? No, they're not. They're kind of, you know, if you put Brady in the jersey, keep the helmet on.

You wouldn't know that's Brady out there. Once he start throwing that shit down the field, you can be like, I don't know. Something looks different with his quarterback. The Seahawks played so fucking good. I was like, maybe the punter should get MVP. Yeah, it was bad, man. It was bad from start to finish. But shout out to the New England Patriots for getting there.

I think Drake May and the Patriots will be back. Yeah, yeah. He's young. A lot still like. I'm still like Drake May. I think they'll make some adjustments this season. But take nothing away from Seattle Seahawks. They came to do what they needed to do.

They took care of business. Shout out to the 12s. Yeah, man. And, you know, it was a good game. I enjoyed it. I thought that the Patriots had a chance when it was still like 22. When they caught that sack that turned into a pick six. Yeah, that was that was, that's when you know it was over at that point.

But shout out to Seattle Seahawks on redeeming redemption. This was their redemption Super Bowl against the Patriots. Well, I mean, the Patriots screwed themselves when Malcolm Butler showed up before the game to ring the bell. Yeah. Like that pissed off the whole like. Pacific Coast. Yeah. Why would you do that, Malcolm Butler?

And I felt like a home game for the Seahawks. Oh, yeah. So, close proximity being in San Francisco to Seattle. So they felt like they was at home. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, it was a very boring Super Bowl, but I still enjoyed the game. Yeah. Still had a good time watching the game.

While I still with a few of my friends, we went to Azirabon. Okay. Oh, okay. He was at Zero Bond watching the game. It was cool. Cool little vibe. Zero Bond really laid it out there. We had the whole Super Bowl vibe in there.

It was cool. It was cool night. Excuse me. Yeah. I was at the crib. Zero bonds. Yo, please.

No bond? No bonds at all. Zero bonds. Same. I had zero bonds too. You know what I'm saying? It's still the same. Shout to zero bonds.

But speaking of people showing up, Green Day did what they were supposed to do. Absolutely. They did their job opening up the Super Bowl. It's always good to see like some of my favorite like, TRL bands. Green Day came out. It was just like, oh, man, this is, this is like, nostalgia nostalgia yeah yeah if you don't like green day you're like the type people that like hate force gump or like just just you got to love green nobody who hates green day i'm sure there's

someone out there hates if you hate green day i don't want to be around the person you just hate life like green day is just the energy is just like fun it's like you know let's just have a good time like nobody's trying to be too cool it's a green day you got to have a good time and and rock out the green day yeah yeah no for sure no coco jones did amazing as well i i like the beginning of shout out to Coco Jones paid homage to the great

late Whitney Houston um Coco did what she had to do go and you know how you know how we feel about Coco like Coco is one in them I know um

after the the second quarter hit hit zero zero zero I know you turn to the turning point uh make America great again halftime show

so I'm Demer's do you want to cover the bad bunny thing with me because I think we were the only ones they watched and we can get to kid rock bar with the bar

the bag the bang the I'm sure Kid Rock did his thing as well. You think I tuned in the 24 USA halftime show. You think that's what I did. They're all-American halftime show. You think I was like, yo, switch it over Kid Rock. Switch it over Kid Rock. You thought that's what I yelled out at halftime?

No, I promise you, I did not watch it. Well, yes, for those that don't know for some reason, Bad Bunny performed. It's so odd that the last two years have just, like, divided. It's a fucking halftime show. It's supposed to be for entertainment. Yeah. Why is this dividing the world?

I didn't understand a fucking word he said either, but I liked the set design, and it was a great performance. It was like four minutes of my life. It really wasn't game-changing for the state of the world the way they're trying to do from both sides. But I enjoyed the bad bunny performance. As someone that doesn't typically listen to his music very often, I thought he covered all bases for people that don't listen to his music. Like, it was entertaining to watch. Oh, the set design was incredible. I like the telephone pole shit. and that's really as much as I have on it. Like it was cool. Just cool? It was a great performance.

Don't try to flip. Now I'm going to see. I'm going to say, you sound in real white right now. I don't know. Oh, should I be the white person that never listen to Bad Bunny

and now thinks he's the greatest artist of all time? Should be that white person and lie to you? I like this. Should I like, should I be that guy? Is it the shade?

I like honestly. Yesterday I didn't now go, you know what? He's my favorite pop star of all time. Yeah, no, no. Nobody's. But cool is crazy. It was cool.

That's what you said. It was. Okay. Okay. Wait, why are you putting negative to cool? Nobody said that exactly. All right. I thought it was incredible set design.

It was. Agreed. And I'm sure for the people that really listen to his music and love his music, which is a huge group of people, it was even better. But I was focused on the bushes moving and shit. I thought that was whoever put the set together is incredible. I love the deli shit. Found the way to shout out the bouches in there, right? You just found a way to shout out the bushes in there, right?

I really like when they were cutting sugar cane. That's what you want me to say, huh? Let me say this. I do understand how some people would be kind of upset at bad money performing. See to me, that's weird. No, I do understand it because it's like, you know, this is, quote-unquote, you know, American football. Some people, a lot of the players, they interviewed him before in the game. Never heard of Bad Bunny.

Never heard none of his music. But we understand why Bad Bunny was hired. it's it's to get you know the people to tune in around the world it's a Latin one of the biggest if not the biggest Latin artists in the world which means a lot of people from other Latin countries will tune into the halftime show it's all about ratings it's all about getting people to watch the halftime show bad bunny is an incredible artist um you know there's nothing he's an incredible performer we know all of these things about bad bunny me personally I loved it but again I'm from the Bronx I'm Puerto Rican it's part of who I am like I you know I

I enjoyed it. I enjoy Bad Bunny. I understand his music. I may not understand what he's saying, but the music is, I understand the emotion, the feeling behind his music. So I was not mad at Bad Bunny. But to be fair, I do understand how some people that, you know, watch football and don't know who Bad Bunny is or people that was at the Super Bowl and don't know who Bad Bunny is, I could understand how they was like, damn, Della, we don't even know what he's saying. We've never heard of him, never heard his music. I can understand. You can't please everybody, but we know that the halftime show is about getting viewership, getting the people to tune in. It's all about getting money for the sponsorships and all of that. And who else to do it other than,

which I haven't seen the numbers, but I'm pretty sure it's probably the most watch. It is one of the biggest. It has to be. I mean, it's. But with the American football point, I know you're not saying that. And I see. No, I'm not saying that. I'm not. I love bad money. These, this is the list of people that are not from America. He started with my IP, I'm an LP. Hey. Hey. I told you

he was gonna do my shit. He started with my shit. That's my men. He was listening to the show. You know, when I found out that that song was about being a whore, I was like, yo, that's why that shit hit. That's why I touch your soul, right?

That's why I touch yours too, nigga. Listen, we here. This is not an attack, baby, dear. This is me recognizing my one of minds. It's like, my aunt asked me why I got so many girlfriends. It's like I got a lot of them, auntie. I got a lot of them.

I can't. Yeah. Don't love my-in-law. Listen to your home girl. I'm going to break your heart. Listen to your home group. Yeah. So I understand, but I do understand.

But that's also funny why most of those people were like, he doesn't speak English. We want to hear it. But then also say he talks about sex so he shouldn't be there. Yeah, I mean, listen, man. Which one is it? Do you not understand him or you understand that he's talking about sex? Is it Uchi Wali Wally? It was in one mic.

I don't know. I understand. But I understand how some people, you know, die-hard football fans that don't know who bad. I get how they are. Okay, but non-American. Super Bowl halftime performers. King Glacius, you two, Shania Twain. They speak English, though.

Okay, but you said it's American football. You want an American there. Okay, well, at least people in the audience. Shakira, watch those that didn't know. Shakira also sings in English as well. Sometimes. The weekend, anytime they start talking in that Scarborough, Toronto slang, I don't know what the fuck they'd be talking about.

It's still English. My thing is, this is my thing. This is that one criticism I will take. Not that bad bunny shouldn't have performed. But when I was watching it with my father, the one thing he said was, hey, I would really like if they had subtitles up here. And I can understand people who have that complaint that they wanted, they would have wanted subtitles for what to translate what he was saying. I feel like that was a mis-productions part. But I don't know.

I guess I'd have to like watch that on YouTube or something just to see if that translate. I've never like read subtitles to a song before, like a movie I have. That would be hard to keep up, I feel like. And like the way, especially, I'm sure he speaks in a dialect that may not translate the same way to English with what he's doing. Definitely not. He speaks Puerto Rican slang. Yeah. So it would be so tough to. But it would have helped. They could have tried. Like even if you print out like vibes cartel lyrics, it'd be very confusing to try to translate them into English. And that is broken English. Yeah. So I just don't know if I hear them, but I don't know if people would be able to keep up with the shit. I know I wouldn't be able to. I had a ball, but I also have to realize, because I'm just sitting up there, like, when I was talking to my friends who don't live in New York City, I'm like, how are y'all not excited about Benito? And then I remember that I live in New York City.

So I hear bad bunny without even playing him on my phone. Like if you're outside, you're going to hear bad bunny. And a lot of people just don't. Yeah, people don't listen. Listen, we get it because we, where we're from, you know, where I grew up. I mean, I understand it. It's part of my culture. But I can also understand being fair on the other side, people from the South.

people from the West Coast, you know, people from, you know, up way up, no, they don't, they just, that's just not their thing. They don't know about bad bunny like that. So I understand it. People from the Midwest, I understand that that's not part of,

they don't list, they never heard a bad bunny song. As much as we do because we go out, we move around in New York, some of these songs, even though we don't know what he's saying, we know the song. That's our shit.

You know what I'm saying? So, but I understand how some people were like, damn, could we get something that we can understand so we can feel like We're included and we're a part of it. But again, we understand what the Super Bowl halftime show is about.

It's not so much about the people that's at the game. It's most about the people tuning in. And but even the people at the game, I mean, obviously this year they were with Erica Kirk, but it's not the good old boys going to the Super Bowl. Like, you have to have a lot of money. It's a lot of connections. Like, it's not like the good old Americans that are at the Roll Tide games that are going to the Super Bowl. Like that's not really the crowd.

And like even- So who do you think is at the football game? Rich people? it's not all just rich people but a lot of rich people yeah you think it was a lot of Puerto Ricans there I don't I don't think all Puerto Ricans are poor mom no I don't know keep in do you think a lot of Puerto Ricans were there I don't know I'm sure there were I'm sure I'm sure a lot of Puerto Ricans went because of a bad money but I mean even that you say that though but you isolate a whole huge demographic of NFL fans when you have the who there in

2010 yeah like so I I hear what you're saying but that happens that happens that That's going to happen no matter what because football is so popular. Listen, if Real Madrid was in the championship for their Premier League, Bad Bunny should do the coin toss. Usher came out and performed. We don't think people over there be like, who the fuck is this? It would be the same thing. Usher would be a strange choice for the real Madrid game.

Some people feel like Bad Bunny was a strange choice for the Super Bowl. That's all I'm saying. No matter where you're from in the world, if an artist is not performing in your language of the country. You can understand how people can be like, yo, fan, we don't even understand what this artist is saying. Again, I loved it because that's part of my culture.

So you got me there. I think Bad Bunny is amazing. I think his, even if you don't understand what he's saying, just looking at that performance and then understanding the attention to detail, you know, having, you know, the lady who's one of her last, she's one of the last, like,

Puerto Rican-owned speak-eas or, like, bars. and I think in the city. He had her there. Yeah. Had her address on it. This is a, you know how many people?

You know how many people are going to be there? Yeah. That's going to just pull up to be like, yo, she was at it. Mm-hmm. Like, because that's what it's about for me. It's about the attention to detail. And I think that that's what Bad Bunny and his team did.

They paid attention to every detail. It's very intentional. I thought the performance was dope. And like how, when Roy wrote in our group chat and was joking around and was like, look at Bad Bunny showing a nuclear family. that the Republicans, like, claim to live and but Puerto Ricans really do, or that Spanish people really do.

And it's like, I wasn't really joking. You weren't joking. That's that, like, that's, that's, like, that's, I love how he showcased their culture of, like, family, like the little boy laying on the chairs, yo, go to bed, get up. Like, that's, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's that's that culture. And I thought that was so beautiful. A couple that really got married.

Yeah, actually got married. It was fire. That was, that was amazing. And also, I don't know why people don't know how to just enjoy music. They don't have, you don't have to understand what's being said. You can just enjoy the feel of the music, enjoy the performance. Like, I don't know. I've never known what bad buddy is saying.

A lot of people don't have rhythm, though. A lot of people don't have soul. I do not only care about lyrics. Especially for music like that, I care about the, I want to dance. He's thinking so we're making dancing music. I will say Spanish music. We'll get to that. It is actually so, because white people, we bop our head to the lyrics, not the beat.

That's like the difference besides the one in the three and the two and the four. we try to dance to the to the cadence of the lyrics that's why we'd be off beat sometimes because it's different pocket Spanish music does make it easier without rhythm to like you know pop your head you would look crazy dancing anything bad bunny is playing you don't think I've been in the hookah spot dancing before looking crazy nah looking like he's about the robbing I used to I used to cut a rugged melody cut a rock it man hey man chata get up and dance I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna clap on whoever you're gonna IP hey a feed and selfie.

So, uh, so, Hey, Rob. Now that's more of your speed right there. That's more of your speed. You should have been watching Turn the Point USA. I can't just,

I can't just stand up. No, no, no, no, no. See, that ain't, that ain't, that ain't what Benito was doing last night. No. And now I see why you guys had a reaction when I said, it was cool. So I agree with everything you guys said,

down to the detail. I thought it was amazing in every part of, of that. It's just not music I listen to often. That's really. I'm just saying, I understand. stand both sides. Like I said, if us should take his ass

to Spain for their championship soccer game, it's going to be a lot of people that's like, who is this, fan? Because we're in America so we feel like everybody's supposed to know our stars and our fucking right. No, they don't. I promise you they don't. Some of our biggest

athletes, you go to London right now. Like, you know Kevin Durant, they're like, no, who's that? You show people, I'm talking about that. How about that? Where I'm telling you. They don't. London? I'm telling you they do not, bro. They don't know who Kevin Durant is in London? A lot of people do not.

I promise you. You show a picture, they would not know who he is. Like, if you had just a Nike ad in like no jersey or nothing with Katie just in some Nike shit, like, who is that? A lot of people from the UK would not know who that was. I can't confirm this, but I feel like Katie's probably had an ad in London before. Maybe 10 to 15 times. Listen, the NBA has games in London now.

So there's people that follow. I'm talking about, in general. Soccer is their sport. Yes, places in Europe, I just think, London is so much like America. If I showed you a picture of the biggest soccer play in the world right now, you wouldn't even know who he was. You couldn't name him.

He's dating Tiana Trump. You couldn't name him. You couldn't name him. So that's what I'm saying. Where are you from in the world? I understand how people will feel away. Like, listen, this is not really our culture. Yes, we have a huge Puerto Rican culture in New York City.

Okay, but even in America, though. Other cities, but still, it's a lot of people that they don't know nothing about bad boy. Never heard them before. But a lot of Americans love soccer. Like, don't use me. I shouldn't be the rule to not knowing the biggest football soccer player. Like, there's plenty of people in America that are like diehard soccer fans.

For sure. And I'm sure there's a lot of diehard NBA fans in London. I don't know about die hard. And basketball got so international. Like, even if you look at the league now, like they gentrified the fuck out of us. I feel like globally it's different with basketball now. It's not. It's still not.

They're still trying to push this. It's growing, but it's still not what you think of this. I'm happy that the, we always talk about America being such a huge, like, melting pot. And what America really. Because I see where you're going. I like that. I like that segue. I'm not segue.

And I was still talking about the Super Bowl. Oh, my bad. I'm sorry. I was talking about, yeah, it's a melting pot. And I'm happy that a large percentage of America got to see their star on the screen. A large percentage of America got to see their star? Yes. There's a lot of Hispanic-speaking people in our country, a lot of them, like a huge percentage

of America. So it's not just like, oh, they're trying to get people from other. All Mexicans love Bad Bunny just because they all, yeah, it's a little. But I understand what you're saying, though. A lot of people do love Bad Bunny. Y'all drag. All right. I'm trying to make a progressive point in actually being racist is very quick.

No, it wasn't racist. Bad Bunny is the biggest Spanish-speaking star in America. He's one of the biggest stars in America, period. Okay, of course. That's fine. But when you're talking about a regular. Americans might not know, maybe not knowing who he is, the Americans where their first English, their first language is Spanish, they know who the fuck Bad Bunny is. He is their star. That's like,

even if you don't like Beyonce, Beyonce is still your star. Like it's not, you can't escape it. Y'all stepped on my point for no reason. What was y'all about to say? Like, I was just going to say, we're back sponsored by Boost Mobile under the talk, texting data. That's what I was about to say, baby, Deion. I didn't mean to cut you off. It's fine. But overall, uh, shout out to Bad Bunny, again, the production, attention to detail, everything was spot on again, but we knew that. Bad Bunny is one of the greatest performance that we have. So we knew that he was going do what he was supposed to do. Well, I did see in English that Chris Brown commented. In English. Because he could have, he could have gave y'all that in Spanish. He's a very talented guy.

I'm sure he could Google translate somehow. Absolutely. And I'm sure Chris Brown has been around enough Spanish women that he can pick up on a few words. Yeah, he could have passed his phone to one of I'm like, yo, listen, just one of ten next to them. Just send that out for me. He did post that looks like y'all needed me in so many words. All right, can I say this? How we know he was talking about the Super Bowl show? We don't know.

We can only, the name of his tour was the Chris Brown Bowl. That's the only thing that I'm just like. To be fair, I get it. I understand how people was like, yo, that's crazy. He throwing shots at, you know, Bad Bunny's saying that I see y'all needed me. Like, Bad Bunny's performance was whack or whatever. We're like, you're doing the Bichata right now. This is dancing.

I'm just saying, how do we know that he was talking about the Super Bowl halftime show? How do we know that? We don't know anything, but we're on this podcast and we assume all day, every day, any other day. So we're just like kicking the shits. I'm not talking matter-of-factly. Well, of course not. Because I wasn't wins Chris Brown. If you ever talk matter-factly on this pocket?

Me? Oh, give me 10 more minutes. I'm going to talk matter-factly in 10 minutes. Hold on. Start your clocks now. We're going to run down a few more topics. And then I'm a talk matter of fashion. That's he going to hit the ceiling.

Go ahead. I can safely assume in these walls that Chris Brown posting that right after the Super Bowl half-time show. Was it right after? Because I didn't see out. I saw that straight. I don't even think they got halfway through the third quarter. Okay. To do the breezy bowl.

To do the breezy bowl. Okay. Put your case together. Which we can safely assume. You got the detective glasses on. Put your case together, world. I was at MetLife. He did it in a stadium.

where one could do a half-time. There's been a halftime show there. One has played football. And you called it Breezy Bowl because we can safely assume you have been snubbed for doing so. And you wanted to prove to the world that's why you do four-hour shows a night

for 365 days straight like a psychopath at the highest level of singing and dancing. Then Bad Bunny performs. And then you tweet out, Instagram out, whatever the fuck it was, looks like y'all needed me. I don't think it's, do you think maybe it was a sub to some of his, like, inner family?

Again, man, you know. I'm just mad he didn't say, you put together a good case. I'm maddie and say on Pai Roo after. That's, like, the only thing I thought was missing. You put together a great case. The timing of it, everything that Chris has done in the last year with his own, you know, massive tour. And we speak to it every year we say,

because we're probably going to throw some names in that right after we finish this about who we think is next. he's one of the ones that we say easily could do a Super Bowl hat basically has done his own halftime show on his tour I can say after going to the tour not that I had doubts or anything but it was just like yeah he could

easily he could do this easily it would be the easiest production setup of all time he was flying around MetLife literally flying I just again the timing of it the tone of it

It was corny. Yeah, it was fucking corny. Like he didn't have, Chris, we love you, but you didn't have to do it like that. You didn't have to say, taking down bad bunny for some shit. Like he put on a good performance, yes. Great performance. Looks like y'all needed me a shade, right? That's what they girls say to.

That shade. Nobody needed him. It was a great performance. Like, I don't. It was great. I'm with you. It was a great performance. I enjoyed it.

If it was trash, I could, like, actively support Chris Brown in that. Like, you keep snubbing me for this bullshit. I could see if it was bad. but it was great. So I don't, it was unnecessary to me. Unnecessary is the word. That's the word I like. I like that word.

I want to start using the correct words. It was unnecessary. Like, that's all. If it was how he felt, we can't be mad at how Chris Brown feels. But it was just unnecessary. It was unnecessary.

You could say that in the crib like, you know, they needed me. Because like, I would send that out. Now we're in your business. You wanted us to talk about it. You wanted us to see what you, see how you felt. you know, obviously Chris is a superstar, amazing performer, and we'll kill the halftime show

if he's ever given an opportunity to perform. We know that. But let's not take away from Bad Bunny's moment. Yeah. I think that's where the unnecessary part comes in. We kind of take away from his moment. You kind of diminish his moment and kind of throw shade on his moment. Again, unnecessary. I just thought that was a law unnecessary from Chris. No, I agree. And I mean, if he's petty and ends up getting it next year, he should do the whole show in Spanish. Just to show the levels. You want to really. Show the levels. want to really turn the country on his ear. You perform next year in Spanish.

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Get the fuck. Y'all are so fucking. I know. Not breezy. It's not breezy. It's chilly. This country has gone to shit. How do you say I say, yo?

in Spanish? How do you say I say yo in Spanish? How do you say yo? I'm asking how you said. How do I say yo? Well, you're Puerto Rican. Yo. No, but I said yo.

I said yo? Yeah. Ito? I don't know. Now sing it in the Chris Brown case. It's too yo. Oh, Jesus. Oh, my God.

Oh, man. That's funny as fuck. We will get in the commercials. You're not ready for the chili bowl. Baby, D, you're not ready for the chili. I'm not. I'm not. Isn't there already like the toastie this bowl or some shit?

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He wasn't, it didn't look suspicious. But he moved. He wanted to make sure the cameras knew. He was hugging the wall. He was not with that girl. Look and he hugging the wall. Oh, that's how Isaiah walked past the bulls when the bulls beat the pistons. It's that same little, he walked past Mike just like that.

People say that, but they don't realize that he's smoking and he's really just trying to hide the weed he has. I give him the credit. Let's give him the faithful king credit, but he's really just trying to hide what he's smoking. Yeah. But with that said, good, man. And I saw your queen post a sub. as well in a good way. My queen?

Who's my queen? His queen. Oh, the one he made it home faithfully back to. Yeah, come on. That's 21 Saturday. He's never going to do that.

He was at the slut walk. Yeah, nobody's more faithful than 21. He's a pretty loyal guy if you do. Like, if you go through his track record, yeah. 21 Savage. Don't try to pay him like that. He's a pretty loyal fucking person. Yeah, man.

Don't try to pay him like that. Come on, man. Don't do 21 like that. Not Super Bowl Sunday. Don't do that. Mall, that appears to be the iPhone 16. It is. That's nasty, man.

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Commercial-wise 50 cent is the petty Human Being of all time I uh Shout out 50 man I commend I commend DoorDash He took his petty all the way to the Super Bowl

He took his No matter what you say about 50 He took his petty all the way to the ball You take my baby mother I'm taking it to the Super Bowl I'm taking it to the Super Bowl When they go low we go to the boat.

I was good, boss. When they go low, we go to the bone. We're going to take DoorDash to the boat. Absolutely. Are you kidding me? I commend DoorDash giggling and shit in the background. I commend DoorDash for letting that fly to.

Yeah, they leaned into it. They know. Because even if that was scripted, not scripted, like, even the way they shot it where it looks like it wasn't scripted and everyone was laughing, they smoked that commercial. I'm pretty sure a lot of that was ad lib. I'm pretty sure fit the ad-lib.

You can't, they didn't write that four years or no that was the scheme at the end with the months to year that's old 50 yeah like to me that's guess who's back

era of level metaphor that's back when 50 could rap rap yeah for those that haven't seen it um it's 50 cent talking about DoorDash and somehow twist that into how many months

versus years and it just happens to add up to exactly what Puff was sentenced to but who's counting mm-hmm I like it Fuck it Take it to the bowl, 50

Take it to the bowl Don't get that DoorDash bag Be petty on the Super Bowl stage It is what it is This is who he is Yeah I like it I want to fight DoorDash though

Because I order Wing Stop Okay you're in it I did order it In the middle It's like I ordered it after kickoff It never came

Yeah Yo baby what is I wasn't That is a fucking Are you kidding Because I was supposed to be cooking And then like Made cook

I just got late easy as fuck. And I was like, man, I'm about to order some wings. And I just, it didn't register to me. No, you got to make that decision like three hours before kickoff, baby. I was going to say in January. You got to make that decision January 5th. Yeah. You were supposed to know what you were doing on Super Bowl Sunday. Yeah, you can't call. Ordering during the game is crazy. That was the sickest audible in the world you just call right there. I know. My beer came now. I order beer through DoorDash. My blue moons came, but my wings never came. Wings never got this. They probably was sold out. I saw if there was like a thousand like

Liberty driver got something and stuff Yeah I'm about to say they probably was sold They probably had no more wings That's why they probably couldn't send it But then they should just cancel my order Why y'all keep saying y'all preparing it They were trying to send homie to the store

To get a bag of wingdings You'm saying Wingdings were sold out They can't even get nothing out to supermarket They had some turkey legs They order some turkey leg turkey legs Would have showed up For show

Some big ass turkey legs But they would have From six flags They got a whole How are away. He's a turkey legs. Nobody want that on Super Bowl Sunday. We need turkey legs on Super Bowl Sunday.

I'm just saying. Now, have you smothered them bitches with some gravy? I love turkey wings, especially smother them on Sunday it is. Give it to me. Yeah. But just order a big-ass like medieval times turkey leg on the Super Bowl.

Then you're watching turning point for sure. Yeah. Why did you put Lilo and Stitch there? Was that like a message? My son. Okay. He wanted some camera time. You didn't have to call him out.

He's shy. Okay. Is this a voodoo dog? No, it's not. a voodoo dogs. I can't tell sometimes baby, these Haitian

or not, so I don't know. I'm not, I'm not Haitian. I don't practice. She has Haitian tendency. What the fuck does that even mean? That's racist.

That is? Yeah. I have Haitian. I have Haitian tendencies. What does that mean? I think your strongest. What tendency? You're resilience.

You're resilient. I hate white people. How much you hate the French? I don't know. People are such resilient people. They are. You're resilience, baby. They over through the French.

Your son fell. I see him. I see him. Yeah You're resistant See you don't know the history of Haiti You don't know the history of Haiti Like get the fuck

See I can't even You're not a history block Don't fuck him That's funny to tell baby D Her resilience It's crazy Oh man All right listen man

Yeah I know I love y'all So we're gonna have this moment And we're gonna give each other The space to speak You're not gonna over talk Baby D you and I are not gonna yell at each other Because you know I love you I don't want people to think

I'm being here beating on you. So you're going to say to that shit. Don't know if I think that shit. So we're going to have this moment. We're going to give each other the floor, right? I'm going last. Only because I feel like

since y'all are such cold fan. I'm a cold fan too, but y'all are like really cold fans. We've been anticipating this album for years. We finally got it. We got a weekend to live with it. We got some time to live with it. And we are here today to give our breakdown, our personal point of view,

our personal feelings, our personal opinions, our subjective opinions. Objective. Objective, excuse me. Thank you, baby, D. for that. See how we started already on correctness? Yeah, that felt good, right?

I'll give it five minutes. Opinions on the fall off by Jermaine Cole. So between you and Baby D, y'all pick who goes first. I will go last. Wait, now we got to do a coin toss. No, no, I'm going last. I'm going last. because my I need to get okay well I wanted to run I don't have like a monologue review I didn't want to go through certain records and you know make it more of a powwow and that you

bro this is our platform whatever you want to do with your time right now you do it uh I may yield my time yield your time yield my time and sure go no I'm gonna last I'm definitely going last um I did wear sunglasses today purposely because you don't want me to see the lives my time behind your eyes. Exactly. Okay. If I say something, I want you to be able to call me out because you can see me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm going to put my glasses. This is all I ask of you niggas. This is all I ask. You niggas is hilarious. It's all I ask you, niggis is when you give your review or you give your little comments or whatever, do not make it condescending.

That's all I ask. If you don't like something, you don't like something. How are you going to tell somebody not to make a review condescending? You can, you can dislike something. You can do whatever. We're not telling you how to give your review.

might like it. Yeah. Why do you think I'm going to come in here with a bunch of negativity? Yeah. I want to hit Baby D's breakdown because I know she was living all weekend with this shit. I do not have a breakdown. What I don't have a breakdown. What I will say is I enjoyed the album. I didn't think that I would like the fact that it was too, you know, a double disc.

Usually what happens with double disc, we say, yo, if you take off half of one disc, it'll be a classic. That's what people usually say when it comes. is a double disc. With this, I did feel like I was listening to two separate albums. I have favorites on both. I will say that I like this 29 more than I like this 39. I will say that I am not disappointed in the album. I enjoyed it. Do I think it's the best in his catalog? No, do I think is the worst? No, I think it's a great, great album. I really, really enjoyed the album. The standouts for me would be, who the fuck is you? Hit the gas, quick stop, life sentence,

old dog those are the standouts if i had to pick a favorite it would be who the fuck is you um legacy i think that the run from poor thing which would be number five on this 29 all the way until right it stops right before the let out um at drum and bass so you got poor thing legacy bunstererow blues who the fuck is you drum and bass crazy crazy run i think it went i think it was amazing i think colded amazing i'm very proud of him i'm very proud to be a cold fan um and i was not disappointed at all with this that is my breakdown Thank you, peach. See, it's shit like this that make me start saying,

no, no, no, because I literally asked y'all not to be funny. Because then when I started saying blow the grip, I'm crazy, right? I didn't want to yell. I didn't want to scream. Like, I literally was trying to be fucking cool, but you're being funny. That's the thing. Like, y'all trying to antagonize me. You niggas want me to yell.

That's the point. Was it the cadence? Was it the cadence? I'm sorry. Thank you, baby. The way you broke that down, I didn't expect you to break it down that way, but you did a great job. Thank you so much for that.

What, man? It's your goal Farrell. Stop laughing all the goddamn time. Let me start by saying I was extremely excited and exhausted on Thursday evening. Only Cole could get me

to stay up past midnight at this point. So I want to say I was very excited to get 24 records from Jay Cole on Thursday. When he started with the Remember the Titan shit on the intro,

I saw he about to take us there. You giving us a little Gary Bertier to start the shit? I'm on board. Then we get to 2-6. Absolutely loved it. Safety, one of my favorite versions of Cole wrapping.

Now, it's going to get to my overall point way later when we start having a real powwow. I hate when Cole feels the need to have to do everything. I don't need Cole pretending to cry like a baby. Just get a baby to cry. Still, absolutely love the record. Run a train. I actually thought that was Cole. on that hook bridge part, I guess it was future.

It sounds like Cole trying to do a future impression, but that was going to be one of my cases of you should get someone else to do it, maybe a high pitch. If Thug would have done that, that hook, flawless. Which hook is that? Run a train. Outside of that one part, because he's saying some shit on it. I think that was future on it.

I know, but it sounds like Cole. It's weird. And even says Jermaine, until I checked the credits, I really thought it was Cole just trying to do like a demo for somebody. But I love what he was saying. I was like, yo, Thug, even though he pitched it down, Thug would have sounded great on that. Besides just those four bars,

running train is fucking fire. Absolutely love it. Poor thing is great. He lost me with the punk bitch part. I thought he was rapping really well in between, but the punk bitch, if you would have done like two punk bitches, I'd have been fine.

45 punk bitches. That's where I got, I was like, it's a lot of punk bitches. Too many punk bitches. It's a lot of punk, every syllable too. But I still love poor thing. And I still play. It's not a skip.

just because of the punk bitch part. I'm already still on board with this entire album. Legacy, fire. Bunch Road Blues, Cole, what a beautiful fucking way to use Thames. Not an obvious fucking beat. That's Alchemist B, right? Alchemist B, you put Thames and Future on it. What an awesome way to use Thames on your album.

Shout out to Boss, who wrote that part, Tim's part. Oh, Boss? Boss wrote that. Shit had me damn ready to cry. He's right. We got to talk. Maybe you and I have something common currently in our lives. Who the fuck is you?

Fire. That has the beat change, right? Yep. Back to one of my points. The beat change is really cool. This is where I wish Cole maybe didn't want to just, I understand T-minus vinals and a lot of people are on that. Coleman as well, I think Mike Will would have walked that beat change.

I think you guys go with this to Mike Will. Like, hey, this is our idea. Can you tune this up a bit and you're looking at a way different beat change? I still fuck with that. Like me and DeMaris was jamming. out to that. I think it's great. But that's something that I feel like maybe we don't use our internal team. This is a moment and this is something Mike Will specializes in it. Take that to Mike Will, but I'm still on board. Track eight, still on board. Nine drumming bass. Fuck me. I think it's great.

I'm already ready to text you. Because at this point, I don't know, maybe it's like 1245, when I get to track nine, I'm ready to FaceTime you to tell you that Colves greatest rapper of all time. I don't even want to hear you say a word about Jermaine Cole for the rest of your motherfucking life. Then the letout played and I didn't survive the let out. Will we survive the let out? Will we survive the let out? I didn't survive the let out.

What a concept. And what a way to kill it. So the highs are so high on this album and the lows are some of the lowest coal has ever had. and I don't want anyone that's a Dreamville fan or part of that click to take that as a personal thing. I'm a fan. You guys love to talk about your fans.

I'm one of them. And I can be objective because I've been a supporter since he was at fucking St. John's with Aristotle and my cousin Harley. It's one of the worst songs Cole has made, but I don't even want to highlight that because there's so much good going on, but we have to be objective in what's going on.

And then the electric, it's, never mind. what? I hate the let out too. I hate the let out too. But what I will say is from what I've seen on the internet and what people have responded to me, so many people love the let out, which lets me know that it might be like, like kind of like laughy-taffy. Like I hate it laughy taffy. That's a wild comparison of them. No, I hate it laughy taffy. But it's so catchy and so many people love it, then maybe, maybe I'm wrong. Because a lot of, if people seem to either love it or hate it, it garners a strong reception from people. It's the one song from the album that's stuck in my fucking

head even though I hate the song. The let out? Yes. What's the hook on that? Will we survive the let out? Oh, no. Oh, okay. Okay, okay.

You yield your time. It's not your goal. Let me stop. I just, I just, I think, I'm not good with titles, but what you say, start saying it. And I'm like, okay. Okay. What disappointed me the most with that, though,

sure I'm sure people love the song. I'm speaking for me and me only if a majority of people love it and I hate it, Cole did his job with the record as an artist. That concept is too good. what he was trying to do with that record to make it sound like how it sounded. Like I would love a coal let out record, but not that one. It was just a lot. It was a lot going on.

Like a lot. Then we get to bombs in theville hit the gas. I'm with Demaris that hit the gas. That's one of my favorite parts in the double disc period. And lonely at the top, I love. At this point, I'm pretty fucking confident in everything. I'm very pleased and happy off my first listen with Dis 29. The letout threw me off a little bit, but it's cool.

Maybe that one will grow on me. I'm just speaking from my first listen perspective. It's grow, not a shore. The letout being a grower and not a shower. Mm-hmm. Sometimes that's me at the letout. Yeah, yeah. Let me get comfortable.

It's cold. Yeah, let me take this honey pack. All right, man. I thought I wasn't going to interrupt me. I prefer this time. All right. My bad. I'm sorry.

39 intro comes in and I say, oh, this is about to be the classic disc. Mm-hmm. I said, this is 29 I really fuck with, but Cole is about to take us to a whole new level. This is its perspective right now. Mm-hmm. That beat switch. She started rapping. Shout to Coleman.

39 intro, one of the highest highs on this entire thing. And then the next record, which we've gotten already, the fall off is inevitable. It was called track to. Now it's called the fall off is inevitable. I don't know if he's just that much of a profit, but the falloff for the double disc was inevitable after that. Oh, please. Okay.

Not out the gate, though. The villas is cool. You think I ever don't want to hear Jay Cole rap over the realist? This is where he starts adding in all the unnecessary hooks, classic hooks that mean nothing to the song and make no sense. where the, Erica Bidu and the alchemist just redid the realness. So if you're getting

Erica Badau to go back on the realness after she just put out a single, just get an Erica Bada du hook. Don't take one of the greatest hooks of all time, which I'm fine. If you want to sample this part of your concept, I'm not mad at sampling that, but why me and you,

just have Erica Badoos to make a new hook? If you're going to get Erica Badoo, just get her to do the hook. Don't just take an Alcass hook that has nothing to do what the fuck we're really talking about. Riding around on theville is the only thing you switched. It just was, it was weird.

I didn't understand why placing that hook there, but still didn't kill the song for me. I still love the verses. I love Cole on that. Then you get to old dog. I love T-monice. So I want to make sure this is not a shot. Right.

I think T-minus should collab with somebody else on the beat except for Cole. T-minus should collab with somebody else. Like, T-minus and wonder should go in on that beat. Okay. Okay. The idea is there. I even fuck with the Pity Pablo shit, even with the flip of what you was doing.

After I hated the, the elevators flip that you just did, I wasn't even mad at the Piedie Pablo shit. Matter of fact, I thought it was funny with our predictions. I was like, nobody was there for Pidi Pablo. He shows up on the fucking album.

I like PEDs part. Yeah. That beat just needed, it needed the A-List feel that Cole has. Mm-hmm. I just felt like it was a weird choice. Life sentence.

I'm never going to sit here and shit on someone loving their wife. The fuck we're doing, dole. What are you talking about? What, okay, I yield the floor. I'm sorry. I yield the floor. You're on the fucking floor, yo. Okay, okay, all right.

We gave each other space to speak. All right. Correct me of wrong. This is the one that has the DMX, how's it going down, hook on it? Right. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. When the beat came in, it was cool.

I was like, all right, little Chipmunk sound click era. I'm not mad at this shit. Cole told about his wife, I'm never going to hit on that. Just why, why randomly just throw it in the DMX, how's it going down hook into that song? Like, just why? I get sampling the hooks and this and that, but you're just placing them in the most random fucking place.

I don't want to use the word lazy, but it's just late. I don't think there's anything wrong when artists do that. I defend everything Jay does when he takes big lyrics and flips them. I'm not mad at artists doing that at all, I'm never mad at Cole doing with DMX. But that song, why are we just throwing the, how's it going down hook there? You said it doesn't. It's just, you think it doesn't apply to the song that, what the song is about?

The song is about being down with him from when he was younger. How does it not, what types of games being played? Like, is you with me or what? It's literally about his wife being with him from the very beginning of his career. How does it not correlate? You could not like the song. I just don't know how it doesn't correlate. No, I, it's cool.

All right. You just said it doesn't correlate. I'm not going to argue. I'm just not going to, I'm not. I feel like anyone that feels the same way as me understands what I'm saying. And I'm not here to argue down why that just felt weird and lazy in there. The same way I felt like the elevator's hook felt a little lazy in that song. I understand it's the concept, but how the concept is working is you're just like plastering classic hooks in these songs.

And it just doesn't fit with them to me. Okay. And who the fuck am I? Like, it doesn't matter how I feel as far as Jay Cole and putting an album out. That's just how I felt on that part. Only you absolutely fucking love it. Love how he used Burn a boy. Only you was fucking fire.

Man above. I don't know, man. Maybe I just spent too much time in church. Excuse me. Just take the never. I'm sure there's a bunch of people that are Cole fans that have never heard. Marvin Sapp never would have made it, but I, like, it's just, it's just like pasted into the song randomly, because I like the song and never would have made it comes on. I'm like, wait, did someone

change the record? Are they trying to blend this? It's, it's just pasted there. Right. It's weird, but I like the song. He already has the Jenny from the block hook in there. That's cool. Like, it wasn't even necessary to me because the record is fire and I'm not even mad at the Jenny from the block. That's a hook that actually made sense in how he used it. Like it didn't feel weird. But still great rapping. I love her again. Fucking flawless. Shout out to Jake 1. If there's anyone that's going to continue on the legacy of I used to love her and tell us about to continue that story. The next chapter, I used to love her came out and with 90-something. So much has happened to hip-hop. So much has shifted. I thought Cole was the perfect person to then tell the rest of

that story. I absolutely love, I love her again. Um, I liked that he used the light instead. I'm glad he didn't just use, I used to love her like randomly in there. Um, I'm going to save what if for, for Moll's time. Um, quick stop, fire. Um, the whole world is theville is cool to me. I, I think I overly judge that one because if we're believing Cole that this is his last album ever, that wasn't a my first song. Like when Jay lied about the black album being his last album,

we got my first song. This is me saying I hold Jay Cole to Hove being a peer. Like Cole is a legend now, so I hold him to that status as a fan. It was, it just didn't hit for like the last song of your career. I don't dislike it.

I think out of the second album, it's like, you know, maybe my third favorite on there. It's just a weird way to end it. And Oceanway, you call it a bonus track, so I'm not calling it the outro. I like Ocean Way. But I mean, I don't consider that your last song

because you said it was a bonus track. Right. So I, that's, I don't know if that's unfair, but I think as hip-hop fans were allowed to judge things in that way. If you're telling me it's your last album, I've got to know what your last song is going to be. Right.

Like, that's important to me. Even when he lied to a, my first song off the concept of like I treat everything as if it's my first song and it's my last song and like listen man hop in me on a seat on his fucking bicycle now he's the head of black music the whole world's not the vill yeah so what I'm hearing from you is that on this 39 you did not like the villist you didn't like old dog you didn't like Nope, you're misrepresenting me. I like the records.

I think they were ruined by the concept of trying to crudely paste classic hooks into them. I think the songs themselves, the raps, are amazing. And I wish somebody else would have stepped in to make those hooks. Okay. I think, well, I'll save one point because it's a conversation I'm all and I had about the hook thing. So I'll save that part so we can have that full conversation after Moll speaks. I feel like Cole, the very few faults that he has is when he just tries to do everything. And I think that's worked out okay with him because he is a genius in his own right.

But when you're making 24 records, nah, man, we need some hope. Yeah. We need some help. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. but I can even hear it as a Cole fan that I know it I wasn't really joking when I'm hearing Cole cry like a baby like just get a baby like if you're going that like that length yeah that length to make sure you're doing everything I think when you're trying to do a double disc that that may it hinder you a bit like this also shit if you if you go through Cole's last three albums like, has he been the main producer? Offseason was he? Don't quote me, but there was a time that was always an early critique of J. Cole was Cole, you're one of the greatest rappers we've ever heard. I know you're trying to do the Kanye thing, but maybe let other people do the beats. And I think

he listened to that for a long time. And I'm not mad at anyone wanting to go back to your career. If you want to go back to your passion of making beats, he did say that in that clip from the doc that came out. Like he saw T-minus cooking up on the road. He's like, I forgot how much I used to love making beats. I want to focus on that. I respect that, dog. But 24, 24 records,

even Big and Puff needed the hitman. Like, you're going to need, like, help. Yeah. We're going to, all eyes on me, we don't need dads. We're going to need Trey. We're going to need a lot of people to really bring this to life because it's,

that's a task, though. Yeah. Ten records is a task. Mm-hmm. I think that's where the second disc to me was a little off. You try to do everything and it's like, all then I'll just paste this hook here. That's already proven.

And I just think Cole is better than that. That's all. But dis 29, I love. Outside of the let out, I fucking love dis 29. So are you- This 39, there's a few records. And again, old dog, like, I'm not mad at the record. Like, I don't skip that record.

I just feel like it could have been better with the resources that Jay Cole has and the resources that T-minus has as well. Because I don't want to take, I think T-minus is one of the best underrated producers. We said that last episode. Yeah, I just think.

So were you disappointed as a Cole fam? It's too much to digest in one weekend and say disappointed. Let me say no. No, I'm not disappointed. I just don't know if two discs for me. was necessary. Okay.

I can't speak, obviously, for Jay Cole. It's his decision for all the Dreamville listeners out there. I'm not saying what he should have done, telling him as a consumer how I felt. You don't have to two-step. It's okay. Who's two-stepping? It's okay just to give you.

You don't have to. Since when is it okay to just give you? They put my mother's address on the internet. What are you talking about? Just give your opinion. Have you seen what they've done? this man? You could just give your opinion.

Yeah, right. Oh my God. That's funny. Well, Jay Cole fans are... I had to move a shotgun out of storage because I gave a music opinion. Jay Cole doesn't really have the lunatic fans like that. I don't think his fans are that lunatic.

Like, I don't think they're as crazy as the rest of them. That's because they didn't need to be. And now, if you've seen what... The stand game is different now. And I think Cole fans are competitive enough to compete. They're going to show out. is what y'all doing now i bet we'll see and that they claim to be more intelligence so they're gonna hack you like eye clouds they're gonna go nuts okay mall don't piss me off please wait before he goes did i

piss you off was that a did i feel like an honest review from someone you know very well that was i actually feel like you're being nicer than you want to be the only reason why i stopped you was when i just i was trying to get you to i just was confused out how life sentence and that how those two songs didn't correlate. That's those who I stopped you. Your opinion is your opinion. You could like or not like whatever you want. It's just a lazy thing to me. Okay. It could be lazy, but I just didn't know. I even think the way Cole is wrapped about

the beautiful relationship he has with his wife in the past compared to that was lazy. You didn't feel him when he said, um, I'm doing you dirty, but like not as bad as I could be in that. That made me feel better. You mean, feel him? When I was this 29, I may have felt him. But I'm going to change, man. Look at the rain. You got a whole new game plan.

Jamal. Damn, Jamal's crazy. That's my name, but... Damn, both Jays. Germaine and Jamal. Well, I love what both y'all said because I kind of echo a lot of y'all sentiments as well. I will say this.

I think Jay Cole is a phenomenal rapper, a phenomenal emcee, one of the best that I've ever heard. I think that this album, Because we've been anticipating this probably, what, eight years now? We're almost 10. Right. After having a weekend to live with it, and I did listen to it a lot over the weekend. Just let it play, let it run.

I was underwhelmed. So many years of anticipation for this project, for this album, I was underwhelmed. Again, I'm not an MC. I'm not a rapper. I can never do what J. Cole does, so I don't want to disrespect. Sorry. He was quiet during your time. I'm sorry.

I'm so sorry. I was trying to play the song to figure out if Roy was right. That's unfair. He showed a lot of respect. He was quiet. I'm literally sorry. I accidentally pressed play on my phone. I'm sorry.

Go ahead. It's okay. You were saying? I was saying. Underwhelmed. I was underwhelmed. I think that I overlooked a lot of Jay Cole's flaws over the years when it comes to songmaking,

when it comes to album making. I think a lot of these hooks were, like where we said, lazy. I'm never questioning Jay Cole's ability to rap and to bar you down. He's one of the best to do that. But when you say album time, this is album mode. Now we got to get into songmaking. We got to get into replay value. We got to get into those type of things when there's an album.

I think a lot of these songs, the hooks were not holding up. the bars you used a lot of sample hooks even the Bunch Road I think that's the one with Tim's and Future I love that record Why do you have Future singing the Usher

like song on there Like I just gave a bar In the beginning right It was just like 7 o'clock on the guy And then he switched it Yeah All he said was the 7 o'clock on the dot

And then he switched it Yeah but I understand I didn't like that I think if you're going to use future On a record let it just be a whole different Like we never heard A lot of this just felt like we heard The parts we, because there's some good moments on this album.

It's some good moments. What would the good moments be for you? What do you think? I think Bunce Road is dope. Who the fuck is you is cool. I just don't want to keep saying who the fuck is you. I think it's rapping on there. Which one is the, I can't, you know, I'm terrible.

Sing it a little bit, baby. The Deuteridami. There's on, then there's Charlie. Whatever song that was, whatever song that was, his flowing that was crazy. He was barring you down. I didn't like the hook. like I said, I'm never expecting Jay Cole to not rap his asshole.

He could do that. It's always when it comes time to songmaking and is the hook strong as the bars. And to me, it's like where we said, who's in the studio with you when you're creating? Because I think if you listen to one of his art, like a J.I.D. Why wasn't J.D? I think J.D. should have been used more in this album making process. Not bars. Because J. Cole don't need that.

Just songmaking. Because J.D. is a very, a very well. well-rounded artists as he could wrap his ass or, but even his hooks are strong. I just think you need to have certain inspiration and certain artists that you have in close proximity to when you're making these projects. Like, again, I don't know what Cole's songmaking and album-making process looks like. I don't know who's in there with him. I'm just saying, it's okay, like where we said, to just the guys that's, again, your camp still.

Somebody like J-I-D, have him in there just to listen to some songs and some records and give his opinion here and there. We saw that with Boss on the off season. Yeah. Boss did like seven hooks on the off season. And that's, I don't know. In his show, I'm not mad at that when they're going to make songmaking. Again, bars, I'm never questioning Jermaine Cole's ability to bar you down.

But he never. This is the first time I think that flaw kind of came back. Because I think it's sideline story, which I don't put all on him. I think he was pressured a lot with rock and it just being in that era where you needed to have the smash R&B singer. and I don't put too much on him for that. But then Forest Hill Drive, I think he started to get it correct on how he could balance that,

not making it too much him on hooks, even when there wasn't a feature. KOD, I thought he got it right. And offseason, I thought he got it right. It felt more Born Center and sideline story with the hooks on this one. I mean, again, didn't love it.

It was some good moments on the album here and there. do we need two discs? No. I think we could have taken this down and, you know, made one disc, take the best off each disc. Because again, we talk about you get into that space where it gets dangerous. You talk about two discs. You got to be able to your song making, not your rapping ability.

To have two discs, your song making ability has to be incredible. That means your hooks, your bridges. That has to be incredible. You have to be able to do that at an incredible volume. especially, I'm sorry to cut you off, especially when you're someone like Cole and that's not a slight. Yobby clowning Kendrick on the funny voice shit,

that does help break things up sonically. Like, Nikki is really great at that as well. Like, when you can wrap that well, you do need to give the person's ear a break for a second. Like, tone does matter. And I think 24 records, Big was very much one of the greatest rap voices ever

I was at a bunch of different flows but he knew how to break up the records where you would get a break from Big it's a lot to digest when you're that good at rapping and 24 records is just too much to be that way it was too much for the hooks and the songs

not to be as strong as they should have been for 24 tracks the what if song can I take a bathroom break y'all can keep talking I left that one alone because I wanted to have this as a group talk well let me

let me continue before I get into what if compliments listen j-co phenomenal emcee incredible emcee pin is incredible rap his ass so it's just the hooks man

the hooks for me it was just it was it was way too many moments of just like where the hooks felt lazy. It felt like, okay, let me just lean on this, this hook that people know that they already love to fill in here.

It felt like a lot of references, like a lot of reference hooks. Like it felt like, let me put this here, but I'll go back and change it. We do know that J-Co had to change some things on the album because of things that happened. He had to change some things around what he had to change.

We don't know. But I feel like gaps are there. kind of feel like where he was going to have bigger songs with bigger hooks had he had certain individuals on this album. I think that that was blatant. It was like, because there's no, to me, there's no, I remember Demaris saying he going to have a bop. I don't know if I hear a bop on here.

Who the fuck is you is cool. But it's just too much who the fuck is just the same repetitive. It's like, again, to me that's that when you have a pen like J. Cole to repeat who the fuck is you as many times as a hook, to me, again, I. I can't do what Jake Cole does, but to me as a listener, that just feels lazy. It feels like, oh, let me just repeat this over and over as the hook. I don't know if I hear a bop on here. I don't know if I hear something that I'm going to want to hear and ride to, and I don't

know if I hear that. Again, the music on, like I said, there's some moments on there. There's some good moments on this project. I don't think there's nothing that sustains and nothing that I'm going to want to keep going back to. Not one song. Oh, there's plenty of songs I'm going back to that. I like Munts Road a lot. How do you feel about drum and bass?

Which one is that? Well, we taught that drum and bass, fuck you, tamar. That's cool. That's cool. But again, I'm just not, I'm not in love with it. But it's cool. It's cool. Okay.

So you're disappointed as well? Not disappointed, underwhelmed. Okay. For me to be anticipating this project for almost 10 years, I just feel like we've gotten albums from other artists in the past year that was better than this. And I don't think any of those guys could probably rap as good as Jake Cole. You get what I'm saying? So, again, that just leads to song-making ability and album-making ability.

Too much coal. I think, again, the double-disc thing, we talked about that when we first heard it's when we dove. That's tricky. You're in Dangerous Waters, when you start talking about 20-plus tracks, breaking it up into two different, you know, albums or whatever. Not many can do that. but again good moments i don't want to seem like i'm just shitting on the album because i'm not there's some

good moments on there obviously good rapping great rapping just the songs don't really you know not not enough songs hold me and sustained the my listen to where i'm like nah this shit is crazy but it was some good moments on it it was some good moments uh now to what if because i spoke i spoke about it i said i felt like j cole should address the situation in debt that he went through obviously it was a big moment in, you know, his role in it. I felt like, you know, he gave us, you know, kind of glimpses into it on, was it Port Antonio or something like that? Gave us glimpses into it, but I felt like he should have used this album

to really get into his emotion around that whole thing, his thinking around that whole moment, things he may feel towards both for those gentlemen, even today. I feel like he should have used some of this album on that. The what if thing, I didn't like it. only because, again, we apologize him. And it's like, why?

Like, first of all, that's not even your error. You didn't know Pock and Big. I can't understand if Jay Z made a song like this. Nas made, we will survive. I can understand if Nause made a song like this. He did. It was on the hand. Right. Jay Cole, I get it.

Fans of both of those emcees probably has real feelings like, damn, I wish that didn't happen because obviously we lost two of the best around some shit. But then tried to curate it in a way where he kind of was talking about how he felt in his,

moment of battling one of his brothers or one of his friends and things like that. And I felt like that was just kind of, again, that was a lazy attempt at addressing, you know, his own situation in the industry and in rapping and battling and how it could turn negative and ugly and, you know, it could go away that you don't want it to go. Again, J. Cole is a great MC, great writer. I just felt like he used that moment the wrong way. Where did you feel like he was using his own? Well, when things were he said like, you know, they're so incomparable.

I would apologize. I should have apologized. You know, you still might. Some shit he said. I kind of felt like that was him talking to Drake. Like, that was like a bar. Like, you know, obviously I know he's going to hear this. Again, I understand he's talking as pocket and talking as big.

but again we know the moment that he was in in his own battle and in rap I feel like that was kind of like a little you know okay that's you talking I understand you talking as big and pot but that's Jay Cole talking to Drake right there which part exactly? I miss my dog I ain't got to hide

if I hurt you I apologize that part okay you get what I'm saying like I get it I don't know if that's the case I still would have been mad at this song but I would have understood it more if you did a third verse speaking as Jay Cole

and the situation he went through if we're going to address people apologizing to each other. Like, I would have still hated that you did the big perspective and POC perspective, but if you did the third verse as Jay Cole to show like, okay, this is what, if they would have apologized and then gave your perspective of everything,

like, all right, at least he tied it all together. This is a cop-out to me. I actually do feel, and I'm speculating, call me an idiot. I'm fine with that. I think at some point, point in the studio, Jay Cole had an idea of doing a song like this from the perspective of Drake and the perspective of Kendrick and then his third verse would be his perspective.

In the same concept of a what if they apologized to each other? What if that shit didn't have. Thank God he didn't do that. And I think somebody said, bro, don't do that. And he liked the concept so much that he was like, I'll do it as pocket big. And I think it even came out 10 times. Yeah, because there's no coincidence that he did this from. I could be a thousand percent wrong.

I'm just speculating. We're not in the studio. But I'm just, but just the climate and how it looks. Obviously, we lost these two MCs over what people think it was because of the battle. It was a lot deeper than just the battle. But I understand what Cole was doing with this.

Again, I just think that his, he has such a huge moment that he could have spoken about more in depth on this album. And he didn't do that to me. Like, I just felt like, you know, even on the other one, the one where he sampled the common joint. I love her.

I love her again. I think that that was more of a address than anything else. He quoted, he quoted, he said two of my friends were beefing whatever, whatever happened with that. Like, again, you could have used more. You could have went into debt more. We get it. She told me.

I wasn't mad at just a quick, quick mention of that in that record. I wouldn't want to fool. I'd rather the what if that's something like that. I am because I think that he needs to speak to that more. I'm saying I'd rather that and what if than. When he said. Because that was about overall hip hop. She was the best I ever had.

Yeah, the type of games is why two of my homie started to beef to both of them. She said, yeah, the best I ever had. And the whole time that bitch was saying that type of shit to me, fuck. Exactly. I like that. He just left it at that. Yeah, I don't mind that. I thought that was perfectly fine.

When it comes to what if, so I listened, I only listened to the first disc first because I wanted to digest them as two different this. Listen to the first disc. And then I went on the internet and people started talking about what the concept of what if. So when I got to the second this, I skipped what if. I didn't hear what if till damn near Sunday. And I was talking to somebody and they were like, why you haven't heard it yet?

And I was like, no. And they were like, why? I'm like, because no matter how well he executes this, it's going to be bad. Like there's no, it's going to be bad no matter how. And I think that he executed, executed it better than other people who have done it just because of his rapping ability, but you're not the person who does this. Like you're making it. I literally said to the person who told me that.

he's making it hard for me to go into work on Monday as a J. Cole fan because it's like I've been through enough. I don't need, you know what I've been through enough. I don't need to have to go into work. As a J. Cole fan and again, I'm a fan too, but you like really love Cole. Are you

do you love this album? Give me one second. Let me finish what I was saying. And I have one more thing with what if you well. Yeah, but I was just going to say what it gives to me, or not even what it gives to me, just what it gives generally that I have to come in here and fucking defend is see guys if they would have apologized like I did they'd still be alive that's what it gives

to me and it makes me want to choke myself so it's like why why why that's nasty why you know what I'm saying like you're making my job hard that's a cold fan that's a perfect way to what I wanted to get with with my point because even if that wasn't Cole's intentions that's how I'm saying I'm sure Cole's not listening but Cole it came across that way yeah even if there's plenty of things I say on here that come across so blatantly and I'm like in my head I'm like I didn't mean it that way and everyone including you guys are like that's how you sound yeah that happens I'm saying this came across nasty and weird and it feels like you're trying to compare it like you took the higher road and look what could have become and the difference is it's apples and bowling balls this shit

started deep when people were dying people were being shot it wasn't somebody teasing you on a metro beat. Like it's a drastically different scenario that can't be comparable. Cole even saying that first line as big to me was like the most offensive thing that all of a sudden Big would have been like, Big should have been like, yo man,

I know you said you fucked my wife, but yo, we should end this, right? Like what's how? We gotta stop speaking from the perspective of dead people. Like what's the fuck? Like that's what big should have done? Is disrespectful? And like it's like offensive hindsight. Like that big should have been like

You know what? You're right. And matter of fact, Big handled that better than any 24-year-old on earth would have handled that situation. Also, Mall. I just thought what if was one of the, when I said some of the highest highs were cold and some of the lowest fucking low. And it sucks because the rapping is so good. Today's show is brought to by a presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet, Florida's sportsbook,

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What if things were different in that moment? and listening to a lot of Cole because I've been waiting for this album only because I wanted to listen to literally everything Cole said and to me so much more makes it makes so much more sense to me now

why Cole did what he did. On this album he speaks to commitment issues he speaks to being a sidewalk nigga meaning he never wanted to jump in traffic never wanted to be in the streets. He's always been that way though. I don't mean that he's always said that which I've always appreciated Cole has never tried to pretend.

But it makes it makes more sense now coming off of everything. Like, there it is. Like, okay, cool. I have no problem with it. I just never paid attention to it that much before 2024 because we didn't have that moment. After 2024 now, if he says that,

I'm like, okay, I get it now. Like, that was never you. That was never who you are. And I can't be mad at that. Be your true self. If that's not who you are, no problem there. My only issue is, I feel like everything post that

it speaks to again this is just my thoughts looking for outside looking in I think that Jay Cole is forever stuck in that Dream Fest apology moment mentally I don't never spoke to him never had a personal but I think that that moment I think if he had that moment to do over again

he would do it differently only because I think so too only because all he had to do is what he had to do is what he He's incredible they're doing. Literally. I disagree because, and I was going to ask my flowers at the end from Demaris, from the record she loves, caught a lot of bodies.

So my closet, it got skeletons. Don't believe me. Call your favorite rapper for the evidence. I told you my theory two years ago on stage when he brought up his family. And I'm not playing this mess. I've been on tour where everybody. They know all my shit. I think you miss.

Well, you know, we all interpret bars differently, but that's how I interpret it that bar. He caught a lot of bodies so my closet, it got skeletons. Don't believe me, call your favorite rapper for the evidence. Caught a lot of bodies as in like I cleaned a lot of niggas up. Don't believe me, call your favorite rapper for the evidence because I've been on songs to show your favorite rappers and clean them up. But again, we all interpret bars differently.

Go both ways. It could be both two things. I said he had a combo with Kendrick. A combo with Drake. I have no fucking idea. Had a combo with them. Saw where shit was going. And said, oh, nah.

He's talked about infidel. He's talked about all his stuff. I'm not saying anything that he hasn't talked about in his music and I'm not trying to bring up, oh, everyone moves on and becomes better people. I'm not shitting on Jake Cole. But I think that line is directly, directly, directly to the point I made after Dreamville Fest when he said, you know, I got a family now, though.

I'm not even trying to do this type of shit. I don't want to, yeah, I know where y'all about to take it. You're about to go on some personal shit. I don't even want to hear. If that's the case, I even look at that, like, that's a simple conversation. Like, that was before we got married and all that. Like, if a niggots were like, yo, you was fucking mad bitches.

I'm like that was before like that's not to me that's lazy that's a lazy excuse like I don't believe that and if that was that's crazy if that was your reason for doing what you was doing I don't want wife here to know I'll be nigga you J. Cole you think your wife don't know you got pussy from other women Alright well let's let's all relax on that personal part

I'm just saying it's true I'm just saying if a rapper says it you think your wife can be like word Okay now You're one of the dopest MCs of your fucking generation I'm pretty sure you got groupies Let's let's let's use Mr. morale as an example where as yes everyone thought that and i'm sure that was tough conversations that kendrick and whitney had to have when he was about to tell the world that he had been

cheated on her infidelities uh sex addicted the whole shit i'm saying kendrick got ahead of that and he told us that we all look at cold especially cold fans as like the squeaky clean that i don't think it's about me you think that i was in the middle of talking you interrupted me You know how many times he interrupted me? Every day and I'm sorry. I'm trying to get better at, man. You think that Kendrick didn't talk to his wife before he went in the booth and told us what he told? You think that was her first time hearing that?

I literally just said. That's what he just said. I literally just said. All right. So how you know that Cole didn't do that with his way? And I finish my point? I'm saying that it has nothing. I'm sure Cole has talked to his wife about that stuff.

I'm saying the perception of Cole has been this squeaky clean. It would devastate a lot of his fan base in the world. If you angled it correctly in a rap beef to show. the false profit shit. You've been saying everyone else is a false fucking profit. Dog, everything you've been saying on your albums is a fucking lie

because you did this on tour. I'm not saying any of this is true. And we clearly know that in this rap beef, things were said that were not true whatsoever and everything was on the table. We could lie and make up anything. You don't think somebody could angle coal based off one little thing

maybe they saw on tour that he already talked to his wife about that could not skew the perception of the world of how they view him. Half the world did the same thing to Drake. They view him differently now. Right. You're absolutely right. So I think Cole was like, you're going there. I'm getting the fuck out of here, dog.

That's to me, that's Corny. Well, we've had this conversation. That is the angle, right? Say what he's saying is true. That means I don't battle. That means like, nah, I don't want nobody hearing that about me. What are we talking about? You wanted to illis. Like, and again, back to my original point. People with the squeaky clean brands and he did that shit.

And he ain't got no squeaky clean nothing. He's the every man. He's in a hundred civic right now. Okay, well, back back to your point. Back to my original point. Yes. I think that Jay Cole mentally will never get over his decision he made that day. I don't think he will.

Okay. And when I said what I said in 24 about career suicide and everybody's like, now you bugging. I'm not talking about album sales and selling tickets. I'm talking about the meaning behind his words now, the validity behind his pen, how other MCs view him.

I don't think that none of that. I think all of that is over with. He talked about killing his own self, his old self on the album. I don't do that because that was the he's about killing his old self. That's like the Kill JZ intro. Like I understood what he was saying. No, he's talking about killing his old self.

His old self. Yeah, he doesn't even like this. He doesn't even like this. Why are we here? You're allowed to feel that way at this point of your career? Like I'm coolish. But that's again, that leads to his decision in the back.

It's too much of this. I respond. I take it back. I want to be a part of this shit. Nah, I don't want to be a part of this shit. Like bro, we just talked about rapping and making music here, bro. Like, I don't understand why we putting all of this extra, like, it's not that deep. Which whatever battle y'all was about to have, whatever conversation you had with Kendrick,

like, nothing to me was that deep to where Cole couldn't just be who Cole is. A phenomenal emcee through all of that shit. And I hear you, but where the contradiction would come is the hindsight being 2020, and I don't think Cole is that so raven and fucking predicted all that. but you rightfully so have come up here that this shit has crossed a fucking line no it's not just rapping anymore somebody was called something that is inexcusable in the world

like there's okay you come up here and said and said all that everything else to me was cool so you're saying call like nah bro it's just rapping no it wasn't because you just came in here and said that with drinking but that to me was the only line that was crossed that to me was only line like what i fm now you're just saying anything if that's what you're doing like all right fam

to me that is Again, I said that through the whole thing. But just battling. And then now I think forever, like your words, like, you even, you hear it in them. The confidence don't even, it's not even there no more. Everything is like, it's almost victim mentality, honestly. Like, he's almost rapping as, from the perspective of a victim. I don't even want this success.

I don't even want this. But that's not, but this isn't Cole's first time rapping. It's not. But coming off of what he did, it means and it feels different now. And that was my point. everything from that moment, which is why I said if he had to do it over again, it's a different,

it's a different decision he makes. Because again, I think mentally, mentally, because he knows how dope he is, he's stuck in at a moment. Like, I should have just barred. I should have just jumped in there and just got my shit up. Because this is what you do.

This is the easiest shit in the world for you to rap. A lot of niggas can't rap with J-Code. When we're talking about just, just fuck a hook, fuck a, just bars? Are you kidding me? 99. Are you kidding me? And that's why I was so disappointed.

Because I was looking at it like, though, this is what you do. We ain't talking about who make a better song, who make a better hook. We're talking about who could put pen to paper and whoop ass. Well, we're moving. And that's kind of why I hate

what if being on here completely. And sorry, I know I could go off. Because we're talking about this right now. Like, just, you should have just left the shit off the album. so we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Kendrick or Drake would not have been brought up unless you, on this podcast, unless you did the what if.

What if? What if what? What song would I brought up Kendrick or Drake on any of that shit? Ma would have brought it up with the I Love You again. That would have got, it would have gotten. Oh, but I thought, I don't think he'd be talking the way he's talking. I'm not, you, again, we just thought the whole thing in with this apology.

What if shit? And it's not, it's not, again, apples and bowling balls. It's not even the same comparison. It's weird. You know, you know what you're doing because this is going to make everyone want to focus on that and I just thought it was done a bad way. I'm like if you're trying to get away from it if you're not really going to

openly address it like Ball said he had to if you if you're not going to openly address it then leave what it off so that we don't have to have this conversation. I love you again. I thought what he addressed there was perfect. Because he's mentally never going to get over that moment. I'm telling you I can hear it in him and I knew that was going to

I'm like when this all and in my mind I'm saying when this all blows over, Cole is going to look back when they were like I fumbled that one. That was my opportunity to whoop ass. And then, and then, right? Because this was something I noticed because I was waiting to see this. Because everybody was like, nah, that's his man.

If Kendrick is his man, why he ain't got the Kendrick songs on an album? Oh, I don't know if that's his... Well, we all said that that would look corny. It would look corny if you did. It would. But so what? Where I will agree with more. Back and out of the battle look corny.

He did it. Who gives a fuck? Because people were saying, nah, that's his man. He didn't really want to go there with his man like that. Okay. Hey, no problem. That's his man. No problem.

Right? I understand. No problem. You don't want to get into it with your boy. Cool. Right? But how come them songs

ain't on the album? Did Kendrick not clear the songs? I don't think Cole wanted them on. No, yeah, I think he just scrapped. We just sitting here kicking the shit. Or maybe there's, those songs may be on here,

but they just took Kendrick verse off. That could be the kid. Okay. Why Kendrick versus ain't on the album? I think the points that you brought up to me when I was arguing I would be fine with hearing. them is the answer. I'm actually agreeing with what you said to me at that time. It would how crazy it would look. It would just, it will probably sound dated too. It was sound dated. Here's my thing.

Where I will agree with mall is I think this 29 was recorded more in offseason cold time. That feels like offseason cold to me. This 39 sounds like cold now a little uninspired and maybe a little timid. Like I do see what Mall is saying. And again, I could be wrong and this could have been recorded yesterday for all I fucking know. But I can see the sheer difference

between Dis29 and Dis39 with an inspired fucking rapper. I've been a fan of this shit my entire life. I can hear that. Oh, shit. All right, come on. That was funny. He almost said the N-Ware right there, baby.

Pete, don't make this a clip. He almost, baby D, we almost caught him. We almost got him. We almost got him there. Hey, man. Hey, the greatest rap we're alive by a white mama. What are he saying on there? I felt seen.

No, I feel like my personal ears, I can hear the difference on the two. And I feel like this 29 was the stuff that was recorded when he was in a little different space. Exactly what I was afraid of baby D happened, though. Okay. So did you like it more than you thought you would? No. Oh, wow. I don't like it more than I thought I wouldn't.

You don't like it at all? Not at all. There's some good moments on this album. It's some good moments. I'm not saying the album is trash. Too much. Could have condensed it. You say that well, I'll double this.

That aren't tricks. That's not, that's tough to do. You got to be a different. Your song making ability has to be different to carry double disc. Like that's just, we can put that over there. Your song making ability has to be different. But good moments, again, I'm never, we don't even have to talk about bars and rapping. That's cemented.

Just the production on some, the hooks were lackluster for me on most of the songs. And whatever hooks are good, it's a flip. It's a sample. It's a playoff of other songs that we already know and love. That's a cheat coat. You know what I'm saying? It's like, of course, we love that song. Of course.

We ain't going to hate this hook. We love that fucking record. Did you feel excited when you heard two six nicks wilding? Two six nicks wilding. Did you hear it? Like, did you get excited? because that hyped me up. And when I first heard that,

I actually thought the album was going to sound a lot different than it did. I thought I was going to get a bot when I heard, when the album opened like that. Again, apologies to all of Fayetteville. I wasn't aware of what 2-6 meant

because Cole has not really said 2-6. I was confused when Drake said, Vucema's 6 the first time. My bad. I wouldn't want them to do the 2-Sto-S do a 4thill thing. Isn't Drake from Forest Hills? And he's from Forest Hills? Drive?

Make a Forest Hills record and then add action Bronson to it. Like, I don't want to all the numbers, two-six, Everyone just naming their city, random shit out of nowhere. Shout to the 315. Y'all are the Orangeman. I'm out in 315, real guys serving real pies.

All right, my bad. My bad. I'm sorry. Was that? You were Stooga. That was me. That was off the bat. That was just off the top.

Well, you asked me if I liked the album as a Cole fan. I do like the album as a Cole fan. There are a lot of songs that I could do without. But the songs that I can do with, I love. So that makes a good album for me. If there's a couple songs I can do it out, maybe like five of them on a 24 album, I'm cool with that.

I can do without five on an album full of 24. Only five? Only five. And they would be... We ain't got to do that. Yeah, we don't got to do that. But yeah, I can do it out about five of them, but I love it.

I absolutely love dis 29. The five that I don't like, the majority of them are on disc 39. But, yeah, like, Roy said he doesn't really fuck with Old Dog and Life Sentence. I absolutely fucking love them. I don't skip an old dog. I just think that that one could have been more of a bop.

I think that shit could have hit a little different. Okay. He should have took some of your beats? No, I'm not saying that whatsoever. I said Cole, T-minus, and these guys are geniuses with resources I don't have or deserve. Go use. I don't have a line on Mike Will when I need a base. Sometimes you just need some Mike Will shit.

but that is my It's like Sometimes you could make a beat And be like Which I've told my shit If you want to make that joke I'll make a beep You know

Can someone redo this That's way better at this than me We're here We're trying to get the best product Not to prove that I could do it by myself Okay I respect that You know what this album is like

Don't piss me off It's like when the girl Make you wait like eight summers To give you some pussy I knew he was gonna piss me off And then like It stink a little bit but like it's not bad it's not like you got a little like and you found out she hit 24 men that summer

like that's what this is like you still hit I'm still gonna hit and it was some fire but it just had a bad fall it got a little it got a little scent to it though it sounds like she might need to eat too much red meat like she got too much red meat on a diet you need to up the veggies you know what would you hit again everyone deserves second chances I hit again everyone deserves another I would hit again but if it's if it's still got that same, I'm cool, I'm off it. We ain't gonna keep doing that. Because I give you the past, like, all right, you know, we was, you know what I mean, maybe she didn't know we was gonna get into the moment, you know what I'm saying? It's a little, day off a period. Might be coming fresh

off or something. I don't know. Spotting. Again, diet might just, you know what I mean, too much red meat this month. But we're gonna give us some time to, you know, up her water intake, veggie intake, fresh fruit intake, spin back, and hopefully he's, you know what I mean? Do you think this takes him out of... No, no to whatever you're about to say. Okay.

Takes him out of what? The conversation of some of the best rappers. Jay Cole is still one of the greatest rappers that's ever lived. He's one of the best rappers. His discography is still fucking amazing. No. Just making sure.

That changes nothing. I just, again, me... Jay Cole is one of them once. Personally, I'm just... I'm just underwhelmed for a project that we waited for for almost 10 years. And it's like... I also think, I get you. And I also think that, like I said this before it came out, I was talking to somebody.

I was like, he was like, are you excited about that? I'm, I say, yeah. But at the same time, I know that no matter what I'll be disappointed. And what I mean by that is when the anticipation is that tie, there's no way you meet it. Very rarely does anybody meet when the anticipation is. that high, no matter who the artist is. I mean, the anticipation was not... I get what you're saying. Sometimes you'll fall short of the anticipation,

but to me, he fell way short of the anticipation. Who's ever been in this anticipation scenario? Yeah, this is one of the most anticipated albums probably ever in rap. Because even with, like, off season was anticipated and the surprise and this and that, but like, it's a drastically different anticipation with everything that happened. So I don't even know, because he delivered on all the anticipation

of his last album, but this is different. Has any other rapper been in this? Like, I thought Jay delivered on anticipation after Lemonade and Solange beating him up in the elevator and we got 444. I thought he delivered there,

but I still don't think the stakes were as high as this anticipation. No, this again, this was again. I think it's this in, and Iceman where the, I can't think of another scenario where this happened. I don't even think that people are anticipating Iceman the way that people were anticipating this.

I don't think so. I think you're wrong, but they're anticipating in a different way. It's a different anticipation. It's the same anticipation in a different way. Some people are, a lot of people going in there can't wait to hate Iceman, can't wait,

they're going to set their alarm clock to make sure they can hate it. It's the same in a lot of ways. It's a lot of people that was anticipating this to hate or to love it. again, he's giving us this title eight, nine years ago. That's why I think, and that's where I say the anticipation, because even before the moment of like the apology, people were anticipating the fall off because it's been teased for so many years.

That's why I'm like not comparing it to Iceman because it's like, we get so much music from Drake. Nobody's really anticipating a Drake album. We get a Drake album damn near every year. Like, are you saying what I'm saying? Like this album we've been waiting for for years. Again, everything after that, though, coming off of 24. That's why the anticipation for Iceman is where it's at.

Because coming off of that, you know, whatever, people want to say he lost, that battle knocked the creativity out of him. But that doesn't make sense because we got some sexy songs for you and everybody loved it. That's not rap, though. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, we know Drake could do that and you can give us a R&B vibe, a bop in his sleep. Now people want to hear him rap. They want to hear what he sounds like rapping coming out of that moment.

So that's why that anticipation is high But obviously, yeah, the falloff We've been hearing this It's almost like the detox Dead ass, no dead ass, you finally got the detox Yeah, it's like this little pump on KOD And ended the album with the fall off coming Yeah, like this is this is this was on that level of anticipation

And again to me it just fell short But again, good moments on there But overall it was just like I was under what like I got So a lot to digestment It's a lot of rapids. It's a lot of rapping. It's a lot of rapping. But again, this is what he gave us.

This is what we got to listen to. This is what we got to dissect. This is what we got to digest. This is what we got to talk about because this is the product that he gave us. I'm just, again, underwhelmed because I was anticipating a much better overall project. And even to that point, and we can close. But what he said at the end of I love her again, which I thought was like brilliantly brought together. towards the end of hip-hop.

I'm like, bro, you don't even listen to me anymore. Like, what are you talking about? Like, I got kids, I got shit going on. I can't. That is also how hard this has been to digest this weekend. It's 24 record. At this age, I don't have the time to live and breathe it the way I did at disc 29. Like, it's funny, he even said that and put out a double disc.

Like, he's the same way. He's like, I got kids. I'm not, I don't listen to hip-hop as much as I used to. He's got other shit going on. Can't just sit here for the whole weekend and do this shit. Yeah. He said, um, I thought that, because I felt that way too. Like all, all I used to do 24 hours out of the fucking day is listen to music.

I just don't do that as much as I used to do. When he said at first, I was defensive bitch, listen how you sound so many niggas fucked you now your pussy water down. But the more I thought about her quote, she was right. There was a time when she was on my phone day and night singing songs to me that I heard the time or two. Some were kind of old and some were kind of new. But she'll see how it's getting older, raising kids.

All that spending time and listening to her is hard. do. Yeah. So, like, even though I did give this as much time as I could, outside of us having the podcast, yes, it's tough to listen to a double disc at 35 years old. With this level of rapping. Like, yeah, you have to digest this. It could take a month with my schedule. All right, so now there's one. As far as post beef album that we've didn't get. What do you mean? Oh, just drink. You're saying left. Yeah. We got the cold album. Got GNX. Yeah.

So do you think GNX is better? Well, which one do you guys prefer GNX or this? They're not even terrible. This one. Is better? Absolutely. Okay.

Absolutely. 1,000 percent. I can listen to this way more. I can listen to this way more than I can listen to GNX. I've had over a year with GNX. So, I mean, and they're completely different types of options. They just both happen to have people rapping on them.

They're completely different. They are. but I'm saying I could listen to this. Your preference. I would have to agree. But that's just because GNX is very Cali, very Cali. That could be it too. Yeah, it's very Cali.

But yeah, oh me, I could listen to this. But I do think even though you're right, we had GNX, we had this. I do think Kendrick's next album will roll over into this. Yes, GNX falls in that timeline. But everyone's still going to be looking at fall off Iceman and then whatever Kendrick is dropping. after that. Yeah. So now GNX fall off ice, man?

I don't think that's how it's really going to be viewed by the anticipation with fans. Yeah, I get what Rory's saying. I think Kendrick's album after this is the one that people are really going. Like really going to be focused because Cole and Drake dropped and then, yeah, we want to see

what Kendrick does. And then after that, I mean, if we're still on the shit, dog, I don't really know it's still, yeah. People are going to be on it to end of time. But yeah, I do agree with what you guys. Cole has always kind of had a songmaking ability problem. That's his Achilles

Hill. It is. His looks has always been his Achilles Hill. If he, because if he could make a song as good as, like a,

he can make a song. Don't get me wrong. He makes crazy. But I mean, if he had that, that hook, hit hook ability, like how we said

that cold don't get played in the clubs. Like, if he had that hook hit ability the way them other two had, it wouldn't be no conversation.

I'm just being honest. It wouldn't be no conversation. Listeners, and being objective here. Drake is over here when it comes to hooks. Like I don't even want to, that's unfair to even put him

in this conversation. I think Cole can rival Kendrick in hooks. I think y'all are forgetting some of Cole's catalog. I'm not forgetting. I promise you I'm not forgetting some of Coles.

I don't know if Kendrick is light gears above Jay Cole when it comes to make a solo hooks. I think he is. I didn't say light years, but he is significantly better at that. I think Kendrick makes better songs. He does.

No, no. I'm so, I thought we're having a hook conversation. songs. Oh yeah. I mean, Kentrick is one of the better song. A hook is a part of the song. Yeah, that's what makes the song.

I thought we were talking just about specifically the hooks. Okay. Because we're not talking about the verses. I promise you, we never talk about the verses. Well, versus, wait, verses don't have to do with the song making the ability. No, but what I'm saying is. People water down their lyrics to make better songs. True.

That happens. They do. But what I'm saying is when it comes to like hook in like the song, the ability to make a hit, a commercial hit, something that you're going to hear in a club, something that you're going to hear in Sears, something that you're, all of this. all of that, Kendrick is better at that than Cole, significantly better at that than Cole.

And it might not be because Cole, it might be because Cole just doesn't want to. That might not be his bot. Are we saying solo? Or like, like we cannot not credit Farrell with It's All right. Mm-hmm. So, like, I was saying solo.

Solo. Solo, that's why I said, leave Drake out of this. Like, by himself, it's clear that he knows how to make fucking hooks and songs. Those two solo by themselves, no other person on the hook. Again, I don't think it's that far apart as you guys are making it seem.

Okay. Subjective. Yeah. I think that, I think that conjure is significantly. I'm not saying light ears, but he's significantly better. But you're saying, Sears playing shit in Target, whatever.

Like, it's all right. Is it a generational record, but. Don Cannon loves that record, doesn't he? Don't even do that. Don't do that to Canon. Don't do that to Canon. But let's not act like that's not Pharrell as well. like I'm sure Kendra put together this and that.

I'm giving them all the credit. But that's also. But what are some, what are some of both of their biggest? But okay. So at the end of the day, yes, it's Farrell,

but the same resources. Like don't save her, don't save her. She don't want to be saved. That's cold. The same resources. Let me talk. The same resources that Kendrick has access to,

and I'm not doing this to compare them, but we're talking about some of the greatest rappers. I'm only going to compare him to people who are worthy of him being compared to. Nothing has to do with the beef. if you're going to talk about resources, the same resources like Farrell that Kendrick has access to, Cole has access to those same resources.

So the ability to have this resource and know how to pick, pick a beat, pick a hit, use people that are close to you. Yes. So that is a talent thing. That's not a... I would never disagree with you. Okay.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying I'm a separate conversation. Because at that point, I even think he's done great with, Cole's done great with Miguel and finally got that Achilles heel often when he started to figure out how to make records with artists. I'm saying just them. Don't save or don't want to be saved. Yes, but how long ago was that?

Is a fucking great hook. How long ago was that? Forrest, 2014. But his focus was not to make Target Sears hits after Forest Hills. Okay, that's fine. But it doesn't even have to be targets. Nor was, nor was, I mean, Mr. Morrell? Like what played?

Mr. Morrell was a concept. I think all of them just stopped trying to do that. Okay. Am I wrong? Rory might have been right about the Wale A Cole thing, though. You said that Wale is a better rapper than J. Cole. I do not agree with that. I do not agree with that.

But I think Walee specializes on that, too. I think that Wiley. I think it's closer than I thought it was. Okay. My thing is closer than I thought it was. Everything is a lot. It's better than this J-C-O album. But again, I think that's a song-making issue.

I think that's more about song. But Wale is also rapping, too, though. For sure, as always. Because I thought about that when I listened to, Like I thought about what Rory said and I kind of like, my knee-jerk reaction was like, well, that's seen a lot. It might be closer than I thought it was. Wale is different, bro. It might be closer than I thought it was.

I didn't want to do the comparison thing on everything a lot is an incredible well. Yeah, and I'm not, I hate to compare, but I'm just saying like albums that we got this year. I'm just listening. Yeah, for sure. You know what I mean? I remember how much I enjoyed listening to everything is a lot. And I'm just like, he was rapping on that. Songs was dope.

production was dope. Walee to me, as far as lyricist, is one of my favorite songmakers, period. It's just a lot called. I'm not going to say he raps better than Cole. It's a lot closer than I thought it was. Because I remember I gave Rory shit about that. When he first said that,

I was kind of like, you're saying a lot. Walee different. It might be close. Wale can wrap his ass off. And I wish more people knew just how much he can wrap his ass off. I don't agree with y'all, but he can wrap his ass off.

He could make hooks. He can make bridges. Wale is dope. He could make melodies. But we always knew Walee was dope. But I'm just saying, Like, and listening to this. Waleigh will tell you that he could do those things.

Yeah. No, yeah. Wale will not be shy about telling you how dope. If you didn't know. But, yeah, after listening to this cold joint and then, you know, coming off of everything is a lot. Yeah, it might be closer than I thought. That's all. So I got to give you. I'm not going to give you flowers, worry. I'm going to just give you the vase.

That's fine. Yeah. One day you'll. I'll give you the vase and one day I'll get some flowers. Flowers die anyways. Yeah, yeah. The vase remains. The vase remains.

It can be replaced you in other flowers. Is it vase or Voss? It's like data and data. It's like, it's either New England versus anywhere else. All right. Yeah. However you put it. Yeah.

Well, I think we did a pretty fair breakdown. Honestly, I was a little scared. It's going to be working. No, when I was, I was a little scared coming into work because I thought I was, I literally thought I was going to have to fight more. Like, I thought that I was going to have to knock if you buckling off. Why you think you buy? Because you be making, you be saying some shit sometimes.

But I think that your breakdown of the album was very objective, very fair. And I think a lot of people like that. Contrary to what the internet says, I do not hate Jake Cole. I know. try to paint it like I hate Cole because Drake is my man like only Peach does by the clips. Yeah, I just, I don't hate Jay Cole. I'm a Jay, I argued

with niggas in the barbershop about Jay Cole before. Like, y'all bugger, this thing is nice. I fuck with Jay Cole. I just didn't like a decision and what happened, but that's, you know, whatever, but it is. Water under the bridge. But I think that, I think that everybody gave an objective fair. And a lot, I think a lot of people echo our sentiment. So I want to say shout out to us.

Good job. And to close, uh, per usual, Eve and Cole, you do the best marketing I've ever seen. You know what, Cole, if you're listening, you're not. I was y'all wouldn't listen to this podcast. Oh, he listened. Oh, no, he, he listens. He listens.

He listens. You hear me, niggas? I'm just, I can't joke. That's the problem, no. Nobody can't joke no more, man. Everybody's so uptight, man. Cole, that's the death of the podcast was when we couldn't shoot the shame. Cole, I love you.

Every word we say has to be in these fucking stones. We have been fucking around. We appreciate. We appreciate what you gave us. Thank you. listen to this podcast. If this was your last album, like I said. Hey, with my camera.

Hey, Cole, let me tell you what this better not be. This better not be your last album. You cannot go out like this. Ain't no fucking way. He can't. This ain't his last album. No way. And he kind of alluded to it.

Even if it was a lawless 24 tracks, this still would not be his. I don't believe it's the last album. Yeah, this ain't this last album. I just want to say thank you for all of us. If this is your last album, you went out with a hell. I can't. You got swept in the finals. You cannot go out like this.

Fuck it. I said it. And I fuck with Cole, but that's why I can say what I say because I fuck with him. You can't go out like this. He said, no, you don't.

You think I don't fuck with Cole? I do fuck with Cole. Right? That's the problem. I feel like if you fuck with somebody you can only say good things. Like, why you can't just be real? I'm that friend.

I'm going to let you know, like, bro, that wasn't it. Go back in there, cook up that shit. So when's you that friend? Am I? All right. All right.

If this is your last hour I want to say thank you so much for everything that you have given us over the course of your career. Okay, but if it is... You're giving an obituary. This is not his last album. I promise you this is not.

I hate it here. He got way too much more shit to talk about. Way too much more shit to talk about. This isn't his last album. I would like for you to release more songs about being an avoidant commitment phob because legacy is perfect. To every...

You would like to hear him... Talk about being an avoidant commitment fob. Like those songs, like legacy. Like, you know, I really want to be in love with you, But like the holes, but like I'm going to hit you up after the fall, though. Like that, I need more, more cold songs like that. People to send me at 3 o'clock in the morning. You know how that'd be type shit.

But thank you, Cole. Thank you so much. And you say to what, to Cole, Roh. I look forward to the next album. Same. I look forward to the next one. This ain't the last one. I would like a fall off hoodie if anyone from Dreamville is listening.

Why don't you go on the website? Damn Goddum? I didn't know they were for sale. I just saw them. influencers get How you think they got it? No, a lot of the influencers got them. Like they were sent.

It was like special merch that was sent. That's what I was saying. Oh, they probably got it early, but I'm sure that's, they're going to sell it. Oh, I didn't know. Okay, I'll go buy one. Never mind. Yeah.

All right, well, now we wait. Ride my bike to go get one over there. You almost start a fire ashy ass hands. I'm just saying, man. Do you have a release date for us since you damn near a guest this one? I said, I said, do I know the release date?

I said, Iceman this Friday. What I said were saying when you said? He laughed at me. Ice man this Friday. Do you guys have any comments about the Drake leak? Oh, I didn't mean to do my hands like that. About the Drake leak on the day of the fall off release? I didn't hear it.

But whatever it is, it ain't on Iceman. I can tell you that. It's just always. He said you heard of here first. None of what y'all are hearing on the Internet is on Iceman. I can promise you that. It's not. None of that shit.

And we'll find out on Friday. We won't find out. The album is not coming on Friday. Hell no. Fuck no. I'm judged. I don't think Iceman is coming on Friday. All right.

Well, we'll wait and see. Cold World Ice Man. Okay. How much, all right. How much time do you think? What? In between. Of the album?

That he's going to let the cold shit breathe. Roy, I know when the album's coming out. Of course, I'm not saying it, but I know when I'm not going to say it. And you haven't told me anything. Yeah. I guess I'm trying to, like, get. Is it going to be a long? time or is it going to kind of be a...

It's going to be a good time. It may cost you a little. It may cost you a lot, but it will cost you. It's going to be a good time, Rory. That's all. That's all we need to know. Man, everybody, listen, man. Can we do some cold shit and drive my mother's Mazda up to Toronto for the release?

I don't know if the Mazzy. It's a fun drive. I don't know if the Mazzi will make it. You've never done the Toronto drive? Have I ever done a Toronto drive? No, I know you know the Montreal one. That's a different... Yeah, of course.

done a Toronto drive. Toronto's this way. Montreal's straight up. I've done a Toronto drive. That's a fun drive. It is. It's a good drive up to camp. You guys want to pack up in the Mazz?

No, cool. No. But enjoy the cold album. Enjoy that. Let's enjoy that album. Shout out to Don Tolliver. Incredible project. Oh, I heard he dropped too.

Yep. That Octane album, Don Tolliver. Hey, listen, man, I'm going to go ahead and say it. Don Tolliver is better than Playboy Cardi. You heard it here first, Beach. Clip it. I agree. I think Don't talk about it is whoever.

No push back here. You're trying to tell me Playboy Cardi Cardi is. I think that's who Don't Tolliver is. No pushback here. I've seen him perform before Bad Bunny in front of, I don't know how many thousands of people and tore that shit down. This Octane album, add to the discography of Don Tolliver. I don't think he's missing this discography yet. This album is Don't Tolliver album is crazy. I got to listen. I also have to listen to LMA album. Yes, I call shit with time. No shade to Playboy Cardi, but I think that the hot they were trying to sell me on Cardi. and I can't really like get it

like I don't understand it I think that's who Don't talk I mean I'll say shade like I don't even think it's comparable as far as talent level goes but that's just me and they be trying to say this because we old niggas but I don't think so because when they put me

on the NBA young boy I'm like nah I get why y'all like this no young boy I still don't get Billy sent me shit that said all right that playlist that shorty sent me I'd be in the crew I know the neighbors is like yo who is who lives there because I'd be in there play it

I'll be in there playing me a young boy like I'm a young boy I fuck we can be a young one But yeah That Don To Oliver Octane I'm right That that album is incredible I love that project

And we can close Shout out to Brittany Renner She's now a Christian Yeah man What episode Yo I be liking my niggas too Like if I had a If I fucked around

Ran into a Muslim I might A Muslim I love that I might Oh you a Muslim now I might I might convert

Like I'll be liking my niggas too. So shout out of If you were the Muslim, you have to you have to. Well, she did. And then she left a Baton Rouge legend and then became Christian, whatever the fuck she's with now. Yeah. I love it, man. Just a little.

Let love live. Let love Jesus does show. I'm gonna let love die. Nah, nah, not I. I'm staying around let love fly. There you go. You know what I'm saying? That's it right there. That's the closing. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. No.

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