New Rory & MAL - Episode 458 | Respect The Bubble

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

Mal is fasting, Rory is …not. The guys share how they had a guest spot on Math Hoffa’s podcast that led to an interesting conversation about Jadakiss and Drake’s catalog. We discuss new music dropping today, and also how LaRussell is becoming the internet’s villain. UMG and Even’s partnership has artists and fans alike speculating, so we clear up some confusion. We also discuss DaBaby’s attempted comeback, Cam Newton becoming the new Kevin Samuels, + more! All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-foreverSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. All right. Not too much energy now. No. Conserve. You have to conserve. Preserve.

Wait, we can do a rolling start here. Let me see. Did Demaris turn her location off with me? Now that I know that's a, see, not even have your location. You don't even know what Demar's up. That's crazy, man. You don't even know what she at right now. No location found.

I used to have it. Yeah. Turn that off. When did you turn it off? A while ago. For what? My fuck is so on her to know where I'm at. You think I just be like looking at the map?

You're not the only person with my location. Oh, you turn it off for everybody. Okay, all right. You feel better now? Yeah, way better. I thought like you specifically was like, no, you can't have it. Is that, because we were just told my micro cheating off air. Turning off your location, a micro cheat?

Yeah. Is that considered like if your significant other turns off their location, is that like microcheting? No, because there's no one involved in the micro cheating. There's micro cheating has to involve another person. There's no, what am I cheating on? What are you turning your location off for? I'm singleing my shit off right now. No, no, no, no.

He's saying in a relationship. But that's what I'm saying. You can just turn it off because sometimes you just don't want to be fucking found. By your significant other. By anybody. You're playing hide and seek with your significant other. Yeah, by anybody. Guess what if you're a man.

What if you're a significant other? Never let them know your next move. Your significant other. Like your boyfriend. Your life partner. Never let your life partner know. Your next move is crazy. Yo, you my boyfriend and all that.

But like, nah, you can't know what I'm about to do. Gotta keep you guessing. What? That is how old. Now, but turn it off your location and a, in a, I've had people have my location and then turn it all. Like, they were like, you, I have your location, you sure you want me to have it? Mm-hmm. Just because when I'm mad at you, turn that bitch right off.

The game, the things we do now is just so funny. Mind you, I'm sitting in the crib chilling eating a pint of ice cream. But nah, nigs text me and said, why you turn your location off? See, maybe these, she liked to start fires. You would be like a little pyromo. I didn't start a fire. I fanned that. No, no, but that's what you do.

But that's what you do, relationships. Like, you'll do something like, I know he's going to start panicking or tripping. If I turn his location off, he's going to start thinking I'm boom, bop, bot, whatever, right? I'm in the house, a pint of ice cream, watch the TV. But I want him to be panicking wherever he at.

You like to do things like that. If you give me a sleepless night, I owe you several. That sounds like that's in the moment. What that's on the moment on the wall? Like with interest? Or it can't just be an eye for an eye. Nah, I ain't an eye for eye, bitch. Ain't no eye for eye for eye.

You can't just call him, bitch. I got to preserve the energy. I got to preserve the energy. Chill, man. Maybe I have a bitter outlook to the location thing. Because once a girl explained to me that she switched her location from her iPad and left it at home, like with her I cloud, I was texting her iPad. But then she could leave with her phone and the location would stay with the iPad.

I need an IT guy to figure that shit out. But she's like, yeah, girls, we do it all the time. So that's why I don't the location thing like don't even we don't even need to do that because I'm already going in not trusting it. It's tough being in relationships, man. Not if you're in relationships with faithful people. If you're a good person, good shit happens to you. But who's faithful though?

There's plenty of people that are faithful. What are they at? In the world. Because they ain't in this room right here. Oh, don't do that. Don't put that on me. Rory maybe, but don't put that on me. Why we put this on me?

Put that on Rory, but not me. Everyone in this room is single, though. How do you know I'm single? I don't. How we know he don't text cold? How we know he's single? Like, come on now. Baby D so mad, she don't know who I'd be texting.

I know who you don't be texting. Who I don't be texting? I might not know who you text. I know who you don't be texting. Let me text Jemaine. Let me text Jemaine for Baby D one time. You should. So she could be like, oh, shit, word.

Well, Pee just text savvy. We're going to find a way. We'll hack your eye cloud. We'll figure it out. I know the password's rock. Rockefeller's finest 225. Rockefeller's 5-2-25.

Exclamation point is 225. My big brother was big's brother. That's my password, baby. My big brother was big one. That's my password. Look at the password you're putting on me. Yeah. I can see that.

Oh, God. Mall is fasting. So if you see him laughing and stop himself from laughing, it's because he weak right now. Yeah, I didn't wake up for Sahara this morning. So I didn't eat. So now I'm on my whatever I had last night, that's what I'm on right now. And you had some tummy problems the day before.

Yeah. Oh, so yeah, you went into Ramadan like. That's just perfect, though, actually, because it's like, you get the fast, you get to whatever's in your system, get it out. I should flush all that out. But it's just I can't be, like today I got a extra, like preserve my energy differently today. Did you do Ramadan last year? Did I?

I don't think so. I think I did it the year before last. Yeah. Because I definitely know this isn't the first time you've done it when you've been on this podcast. I just couldn't remember last year. Well, I think that's great. And everyone, shout out to everyone celebrating Ramadan.

Ramadan, Mubarak. Yeah, I know it can also be an annoying time for people as well. My dad wanted to go down into Postland. I said, during Ramadan, don't. It's not going to be the fun that you think it's going to be during Ramadan. I mean, it's cool, man. Ramadan is a great time. No, I think it's incredible.

But if you're trying to go to Mexico to have fun with people that celebrate Ramadan, you're not going to have the fun that you think about. Oh, no, no, no. It's not fun time. No. It's just a different time. It's time for being. Being still and focus.

Yeah. You know, things like that. Baby, these you should do. You should fast with me. I should fast with you? Yeah. Why not? Why?

Until March, 19. Yeah. What I'm fasting from? Anything. You just pray for, you know, clarity and whatever you want, you know, whatever you may be having going on, energy in your life that you want, you know. It's just, that's what it's for us. It's just kind of rescind yourself. Sun up to sundown?

Yeah. Okay. It's not bad. I think about it. I mean, I've done. You fasted a day. without even trying before. You've definitely gotten up,

didn't eat nothing and didn't eat until the sun went. Oh, no, for sure. And then I've done Daniel fast like multiple times. So I usually start the month off of one. Yeah. But that's a significant amount of time.

And the majority of it takes place. The majority of it takes place during March. My birthday month. Oh, yeah. We're sometimes in April. 326? Well, no, when's your birthday? Yeah, 326, baby.

Oh, you remember. 326. Well, I'm 926 now. I can't forget your birthday. Oh, I have them all. half birthday. Mall's half. And Mall has Pige's

mom's birthday. Yes. Me and Pee's mom was born on the same day, same year. Is I about to say same day and same year? Me and Pee's mom

was born same day, same year. Well, yeah, I think you should celebrate Ramadan as well. Pige, we can figure out what we want to give up for Lent whenever you're ready.

Mm-hmm. You know? Lent started, though. You was been supposed to figure out what you wanted to give up. He gave up Lent. He gave up Lent for Lent. He gave up Lent for Lent.

We were going to say some shit. Lent is just really just white Ramadan. It's definitely white We can't have nothing, boy I tell you, boy, we can't have nothing without y'all coming. Here y'all come. We'll do Lent. Here come to Roman Catholics.

Like, oh, I like that thing you guys are doing it. And Lent is always white. You know that. You ever see Lent? Like, you never seen Black Lent before. Black Lent? Who's seen Black Lent? Depends to fit. Yeah, well, it does. This material, I mean, this brown, but you can get them in black. There's Black Lint on these.

Yeah. Anyways, how's everyone's We've been Maul, we have not gotten a single day off of recording this week. No, man. This is what we do, baby. This is what we do. Tuesday outside of the Prince podcast that we're producing.

We did go on Matt's podcast. Yeah, shout out the Math Hoffer and guys at the shop, man. Had a good time, good conversation with the fellas, man. It's so good to kind of like kick it with a, you know, a barbershop full of the fellas. Yeah. It was one of those environments where we chopped it up for two hours before we got on camera and then four hours after we stopped. after we stopped recording. It was one of those days.

Yeah, we didn't leave until about two in the morning. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. It was so late, I had to go through Staten Island to get home. Yeah. That's how you know it's, that's how you know it's way past your bedtime. It's like, oh, the Verrazano.

Yeah. I see what's going on. Listen, man, it's the scenic route. Here we go. Let's do it. But yeah, thank you to math. I don't know the exact date, but I know he is putting it out pretty soon. So it was a lot of fun.

It was a lot of tequila flowing. It was nice to be in like, like, like real, real New York. I'm not going to say where he was, but like that's, those people have lived

on that block for 75 years. With real New Yorkers. Real New Yorkers. It was cool to be out there. You got a little heated at one point. Did I?

Not heated. That's the wrong word. I didn't think, I didn't think the Jada versus Drake combo would get you off your square. Look at the combos you have to be. Dasty ass.

Y'all need better shit to talk about. No, we were just talking about, you know, because obviously it's rappers in the room as guys that just love hip hop. So obviously, you know, you start having those conversations.

And they landed on and this is when I like, like I could feel like my soul kind of leaving the room a little bit. Yeah. But somebody said, Jada Kiss has two classic albums and Drake has none.

And at that moment, I knew. I said, you know what? I get it now. Life. In that moment, see, it's crazy,

baby, the things that bring clarity. Mm-hmm. In that moment, just hearing, Jada kiss has two classic albums and Drake has none. In that moment, I thought to myself, okay, this makes sense because now I understand more than ever that everybody is just living in their own world. Yeah, welcome. Like we can sit here right now, baby Dee, watch the same movie. But we're going to feel differently.

We're going to see the movie differently. We're going to receive the message in the movie differently. You said Scarface was a bad movie. Scarface is one of the most overrated movies ever. But you know what? I get it. I'm in this era I'm in now. I'm going to start respecting people's bubbles, your own world.

That's your world. That's what y'all doing. Your world. That's how y'all receive things in your world. I have to start respecting it. I do a bad job at not respecting people's worlds. I mean, this is a breakthrough. We should make this a clip.

Yeah. How long have we been trying to explain to Mall that he lives in his own bubble? Right. You're right. Like, Maul, not everyone sees things. My entire podcast and career. You're right. It's just been trying to tell Mall, that's your bubble. Listen, I apologize. Y'all are right. It took Jada kiss versus Drake to get here. That was it. Wow. Look at the things that breed clarity. I said, you know what? A combo that's never been had before. I said, you know what? I get it. In this moment, this moment of clarity, I understand. So I apologize for pushing my world into your world, baby D.

Put moment of clarity, Jay-Z beep-up. Yeah, this is a moment of clarity. This moment of honesty, right? The world to fill your truth. The world will fill my, from a hard knock, like, this. Give and a curse. Listen, if you feel like Jada kiss has two classic albums and Drake has none, who am I, my dog?

Well, once again, I was kind of, and this is just a good promo for the math podcast. We don't have to give away the entire thing. But once again, I was bubble crossing. I was like, you know, in the circles and the, There's like that. Venn diagram? Yeah, because I think Kiss has classic albums and I think Drake has classic albums. But that room was very split.

I was the only one that was on the border of like, why can't we all just get like, yeah, that room was very divided. They're both incredible MCs, right? Very split. And I just felt like at that moment I turned into like one of the, you know, the barbit, the hair chart that's hanging on the wall in barbershop. I was that in that moment. I was just like, okay.

Stoic. I get it. Listen, I'm just listening. I'm observing and I'm trying to understand what everybody is saying. and realize that our experience on this here planet Earth is all different. But respectfully, if you walked into that barbershop, I think one of the first things you would think was in this bubble, it looks like somebody would say Kiss has classic albums, but Drake doesn't.

It felt like we walked into that bubble to begin with. That didn't shock me as much as you. No. And I don't think you think it's crazy that someone would say Jada Kiss has classic solo albums. I think it was the follow up of like with that said, nothing was the same as not a classic Drake has none. That's so, when you say you were like, you know, I would split. I think they both

do. I'm not mad at that. But I just was like, okay, Jada, two, Drake, none. All right, big, shout out my nigga Gucci. I know what that barber shop looked like and I never even went in it. Like, what you said that, I know exactly, I know everything. It's a nice, no, you got a lot. No, no, no, no. I'm not talking about the actual barbershop. I'm talking about the people in it. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. They had our sneakers, colorways, everything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a lot of, yeah, it was New York. It was New York throwing through for sure. And, I mean, because it was a quote-unquote the real deep outer borough experience. I was not aware that math rolled around with that many tough whites. Yeah.

Math got all the white goons in New York City behind him. I'd be scared of math outside of math. We've seen how math operates on his own. He doesn't need a lot of help. But knowing that you got the tough whites behind you too, I don't know, man. Matt, that made math 10 times scared. But that's what hip hop hip hop it does, though.

You know, it brings all, you know, cultures together, all races together. It's just, you know, something that we all, especially in New York City. We say hip hop, it's a hip hop world, New York City. And anytime you run into somebody in that part of Brooklyn with fighting Irish tattoos on their neck, you should be petropod. Yeah, absolutely. Like, really scared. Shout out the Maff and the guys at the shop, man. Shout out Dutchie.

Yeah. Shout everybody, man. Did you yell at them how you be yelling at me? Yell? If I was, if I would have looked at you and said, Drake doesn't have any classic albums, which I do not believe. I believe Drake has classic albums. But if I was to look at you and say that, you would have yelled at me. Not yet.

See, Baby, Dee, I'm. You know, raise your voice in me. There was yelling, but not in a, like, combative way. If I've ever yelled at you, Baby, Dee, I'm sorry. You know, we record this. I'm sorry. If I've ever. I apologize.

I wasn't yelling at you. At your bubble. I was, no, I wasn't yelling at her bubbles. I was yelling at the conversation. It was the conversation. It wasn't you. Pesty conversation. You are part of it.

conversation, but it wasn't you that I was yelling at. And if you've ever felt like I was yelling at you, I apologize. I was not yelling at you. I would never yell at you. Today's day three or Ramadan? No, yeah, I don't know. What day is it? Day two. Day two. Okay. Yeah, let's see where Mall's at at day seven with all this, this kumbayashi. No, man. Listen, man, it's hard to get more irritable. I think it's day, day 15 might be his breaking point. No, listen, I understand. I understand. I get it. I'm respecting people's bubbles. Okay. That's what I'm doing from now on. Okay.

No, I'm not mad at it. I respect your bubble. I respect your bubble. I respect your bubble. Love your bubble. Yeah. Hey, yo. It's not.

He's got a bubble? See, I do it. It's me and Michael Jordan that y'all make it weird about. See, why y'all are making it weird? Because what Michael dude was weird. It wasn't weird. Man, y'all are just weird. The world is weird.

That's a, sorry. I'm respecting people's bubble. Your bubble is different from Michael Jordan's bubble. Yeah. You're more of a NASCAR bubble. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. I totally kidding. Expect the bubbles.

All right, how are you celebrating this weekend with Ramadan? Well, this week, it's my nephew's birthday. Shout out to my nephew. I can't call him Nugget no more. He told me I can't call him Nugget because he'll be 10 now. Yeah, yeah. So I got to call it. He's a Tinder.

Now his name is I got to call him Big Aunt. So shout out to my nephew, Big Aunt, happy birthday. I love you. So I'm spending a weekend with my nephew. He's probably, he's the most mature 10-year-old. He's probably going to go fishing and go play golf. Oh, no, I've seen him on Instagram playing golf. Yeah, he wants to.

He's probably going to want to do that. You go to VA? Yeah, so I'll probably do that with him. I'll probably just go fishing and play some golf with him. You driving? No, I'm flying down. I will never drive to Virginia again in my life. Once I saw I quicked that flight was, 37 minutes.

I'm not sitting on the road for six hours, no one. I'm not doing that. Yeah. DMV traffic. Yes, it's over. Make it eight. Never doing that again. Demares was just saying that because she was saying if there was like, you know,

an available seat, she would go down to Virginia? To Virginia? You think she was in inquired? You think she was just asking a question for the podcast? What bubble are you going down to see it in the DMV? What bubble are you going down there to see? Virginia is going to bubble seeing? We can go see bubbles in the DMV.

I love the bubbles down there. She is family in Virginia. Yeah, absolutely. We all got family in Virginia. We all got family in Virginia. You know, everybody got family in Virginia. We all got family in Virginia. Definitely.

So yeah, that's what I'm doing this week. I'll be with my nephew. Pete and Rory don't have none. Oh. Pete, you got family, Virginia? See? Roll Tray. You all down there.

I had one great uncle in Richmond, Virginia. There you go. That was the only, I don't even how the fuck he ended up there. That's all right. He wasn't like with the rest of it. He just went there. I don't even like, he would send cars and shit. I'm like, man, how could I've like, I remember.

He lives in Richmond, Virginia. I'm like, okay. That's all right. He down there. I think he's dead now. Oh, shit. He's my great uncle. He was old.

But yeah, I mean, I never got to like hang with him in Richmond. But I do love the state of Virginia. Virginia's a great time. Love Virginia. Well, yeah, that should be fun then. Yeah, that's what I'm going to do. I'll be on the golf course. Hopefully the weather is all.

and fishing and, you know, whatever else. Big Ant wants it. I got to call him Big Ant. I got to call him my 10-old nephew, big aunt now. This is crazy. I love that. Money's in town this weekend.

I know Foggy has a release party on Saturday. I was actually going to say to come with me to that, but I know you're going. Yeah, he texted me. When is it Sunday, right? I think it's Saturday. I'll trip. Yeah, he texted me.

I read out. I was like, damn. And it's funny because Faggy, we always do that. Like, when he's in New York, like, he has something to show he hit me. I'm like, bro, why do we keep? Like one time he hit me, he was in New York, and we was in D.C. Like, nigga, you from here?

How you go up and we now? We're in D.C. like this weekend. So shout out the fog. You know, like he definitely hit me and invited me to his, for his album. No, his project actually comes out on the 27th with no due respect as the title. Oh, so next Friday. Yeah, next Friday. But he's doing the New York run right now.

He put out the features today, or a blog did, rather. Alicia Keys, Swiss, Ari Lennox, Larry June, Harry Fraud. and your guy John Legend. It's a big A lesson for a first album. I'm respecting John Legend's book. Respecting John Legend. Respect. But I'm excited for his project.

We also get Baby Keen tomorrow. I mean, if you're listening to this, it is out now, casino. We made our predictions, but that's what I'm excited for. I'm looking forward to the Keem. I'm looking forward to see what he did with this project. Like you guys spoke to, he is an artist that I think we all anticipate history. trajectory, what he's going to do, what he's going to sound like. So, yeah, it's going to be interesting to listen to that.

Well, when you're hearing this, we are currently listening to that. We also get, which I'm just out the loop, and my apologies to hip-hop in general. Larry June, Currancy and The Alchemists are putting out an album at midnight. Oh, I didn't call it. Spiral Staircases. I just think I'd be out the loop, man. Some more luxurious music. Luxurious rap.

Once I was ran out of Twitter, man, I feel like I miss a lot of releases. Because, like, my Instagram algorithms aren't really, like, the way my Twitter algorithms were. Yeah. Twitter was way more music, hip-hop related than what. IG is bad bitches? No, it's honestly all kid shit and otters. It's otters and kids shit. I love otters.

It's my favorite. It's my algorithm. Like, the people that own otters and just go swimming with them and just feed them, like, frozen fish sticks, love them. I respect the otter bubbles. Well, I mean, I know DeMaris knows about me, but you know that is my favorite animal, like lifelong. I have like a weird otter obsession. Really? Yeah.

No, it's like really. Like one of my hobbies is just watching otters. Like I'll go to Staten Island Zoo in the summertime and just watch the otters. I know it's kind of serial killer behavior. I've even, like, research. You know you can own an otter in New Jersey. I just don't like, with my bathtub, it's just not, it's an urban environment. I wouldn't want to do that to an otter.

Yeah. It'd be like, I'd be a good otter dad, but no, I just, I feel like an otter needs some more space. Yeah. But, no, that's a dream of mine is to own an autark. One day. I never knew that about you. I'm really in the otters. Wow.

All right. Respect to the otter bubbles. That's mostly my algorithm. I respect it. Listen, I love auditors. Very unique animal. Do you think 2026 has the potential to be close to 2016 with like music?

Because we're getting some rap. We're getting some really good music. We're getting some good. We got some good R&B as well. I'm not mad at the start the 2026 is off to as far as the music. I'm not mad at that. Like, it's a lot of dope music out right now. Like, I'm not.

But to say 2016, to me that's like, what is it? Like you see Haley's Comet every fucking 20 generations or something? Like I just don't know if you're ever going to get all the stars, pun intended, to align and all put out some of their best work in one year. Like every A-List artist and legend and icon now put out some of their best work that year. I just don't know if it's ever going to align that way. But even if it's not the legends, even if we get some of the newer artists, but they put out good albums. I thought last year was an incredible good for me.

Yeah, I'm not mad at that, but that's what I'm saying. Last year was good for music. And I think that 26 is off to a good start. We're in February, and I think we have some really good music already. Yeah. And I'm looking forward to Larry June currency Alchemist. Always looking forward to Larry June. Bronx legend.

Shout out to Lil T.J. I mean, shit, if we get in T.J. tomorrow, it could be like 2016. I don't know. It's off to a good start. That could be his St. Pablo. It could be. That could be. Respect little T.J.'s bubble.

That could be his lemonade. Absolutely. we also get a Siza single Save the Day which I think is attached to a movie Todd Allen and Leon Thomas have been teasing this song for about two weeks now I miss you too looking forward to hearing that

Reeson putting out an EP don't play with my heart shout out my nigga Reeves we get the first Yeba I guess single for her project Yellow Eyes and I love Yebba so happy she's been up

Michael Jordan like that What she's saying yellow eyes Why she did that? It took me a quick second I was like wait I was like to do it touching kids And I was like, oh, yellow. You're trying to kill MJ for the whole Daytona thing.

He couldn't see, right? The third. He thought it was an adult. Now all of a sudden, you ever dropping yellow eyes. Yeah. Come on, yeah, but don't do that. Respect MJ's Daytona bubble. Don't do that.

Yellow eyes tell real eyes. Yellow eyes, realize, real eyes. Ladies, if you see a nigga with yellow eyes, we're on far away. We're on far away, bro. Why? Because that nigga needs a liver cleanse. And he's going to die early. And he's going to cheat on you before.

do it. Well, that's because he's dealing with addiction. But if he has some money, you know he's going to die quick and maybe you get in there so it's not that crazy of a time investment. And you're not helpful. A nigga with yellow eyes don't got life insurance other than Michael Jordan. But Michael, we're joking. Michael Jordan's eyes aren't yellow. They're like cognac.

Because of the cognac. And the cigar. Drinks a lot of cognac smokes a lot of cigars. MJ is in great health. I'm pretty sure he gets the IV every other night. Like, he's cool. He's good. Well, yes. That athletic ability your body can probably handle Henny better.

Better than the rest of us. When you're a billionaire, you'll be fine. And the athlete, like you're an athlete first. He's probably on like his seventh liver. Yeah. Come on,

man, MJ. The amount of billionaires that probably get like different, like organ transplants without us even knowing. Yeah. You think Michael Jordan don't have livers like that he has sneakers?

Probably on his sixth heart. Yeah. The Jordan brand livers? Y'all don't know nothing about the Jordan brand livers, though. See, that's the problem. You could party all week and then just go get a new liver.

Yeah. Come on. That's MJ, dog. from the white woman that you're dating. Or wait, no, what's the, uh, kidneys? You can only give kidneys. You can't give someone your liver. You can do a liver.

They just take a little slice. Oh yeah? Yep. And because the liver regenerates itself. Oh, MJ got wild livers. The, the livers rejuvenate themselves? Regenerate, yeah. A young white woman?

Like snake skin? Kind of, yeah. You know MJ got snakes and liver. You can do, you can do a partial liver. Come on, fam. Y, I think MJ ain't got the snake skin. Caterpillar and becomes two caterpillars. Yeah, come on, man.

That's MJ. That's Big Mike. Y'all tripping, man. Leave Mike alone. Well, called Mike a pet. No, my. Thank you.

We didn't call him that. We just said the video was weird. Yeah. I think in our bubble, it's okay to say that. No, no. You niggas went and figured out his middle name was Jeffrey and they tried to tie him into more other shit. I saw you niggas on Twitter. Who had to figure that out?

I knew that from the face jam. Yeah, but I mean, they was like, look, you know, they circled the middle name Jeffrey and in the times they were living in. They tried to tax that. So now every nigga named Jeffrey is a pedophile? This is what I'm saying. This is what they try to do to our legends. See what they trying to do? It's crazy.

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Yo, man, this is, listen, how many days... When did he become the Lord Jamar of the music industry? How many days has La Russell been the main character online now? He's pushing almost a week. Yeah, he's... You know how long a week is? Yeah, on online? You only the main character, maybe for a day or two.

Like, he's at day five right now. But, I mean, a lot of that was La Russell's fault. And whether this is what he's doing purposely or not, he just... He's the one not letting it go. People would have let it go. he's tweeting every day he's putting out freestyles he's bringing up new points like and another thing like at 1 a.m.

Like yeah and here I fuck with the Russell I don't think he's a bad guy I think he has an opinion of Wayne at this point though I think you may be doing more more damage for online perception he's gonna be fine

he's gonna be fine him and Wayne about the drop a record I see how this is gonna go I hope they put out a record with no substance like called no substance Wayne had no ceilings right Yeah. No substance.

La Russell tweeted, telling a rapper to stop talking and rap is the same as telling a nigga to shut up and dribble. Laughing face, laughing face. We quickly become the same oppressor as we so call, hey, I don't have to make a hit song or rap

because I said some shit that you didn't agree with. I don't have to now prove myself worthy of all I've earned because you don't like me. Bitch, God made me. Bitch God. I've never seen bitch God right next to each other. I think it was a bitch, comma, God made me.

Yeah. Or he could have said God made me. Bitch. Punk, punk bitch. Punk bitch. Just to show that he needs. nose rapists and substance. I mean, La Russell is right though.

Like that's right. He is correct. And this has, again, nothing to do with the joke I was making about La Russell commenting on my doche shit. I do like when artists do get backlash for their opinions now because artists are doing more podcasts, more like their own content. I like to see this because y'all

have been killing us for a decade for having an opinion. Not even disrespectful ones. Just music opinions, the way art should be critiqued. And then I love, and I'm not saying this is La Russell specific, but a lot of artists, when they get a taste of their own shit, there's like, wait, I can't have an opinion. It's like, no, that's what we've been trying to tell y'all this entire time. Yeah.

We don't dislike you as people. We're just being honest about how we feel about your music. Everything has to be. It's the greatest of all time. Wayne has to be the greatest of all time, right? I just don't. We can't say a single bad word about him. Do people understand that Wayne has said what La Russell said?

That's why I don't understand why this is going like this many days. Wayne has said that. Because Ler Russell just keeps reminding people that he said it. Like if he would just go quietly, like there wouldn't be. No, I get that. But if Wayne said that about himself and La Russell was just saying what Wayne said, why are people mad at La Russell? Like, that's the part I'm just having to,

I know that the internet is a weird place. But I'm just trying to understand why are so many like, because we know Wayne has a, yes, Wayne has a hive. I could say we can say Wayne has a cult following at this point. I understand that. So I know when you have a cult following, and you can't say anything about the person without the fan base piling on you attacking you

and you know we get that part but La Russell doesn't seem to be affected by any of this. He knows who he is. He knows what he meant. He knows how he feels about Wayne, how he holds him to a higher regard as an MC as a rapper. So he's having fun with this. But when you just look at the optics and say,

okay, but what are people mad about that La Russell said because literally Wayne has said the same thing? Well, because now the currency online and on podcasting and I'm not here to be a hypocrite. I'm saying we're part of that bubble as well. And in that world, there is currency, whether it really be real currency or social currency, off pretending to be outraged about basic music opinions.

Pretending to lose your mind because Lil Russell doesn't think Wayne has a substance that he once thought he had when he was 16. I think little Wayne has substance. Do I give a single fuck if Lil'Russell thinks the same thing? No. But I could pretend to be fucking outrage, scream, get a bunch of Wayne fans on my side, and now I got a whole week of content.

Now I could be the president of the Wayne fan club, and now everyone's going to follow me, and there'll be comments on this, and other stands will come out to fucking woodwork, like fucking roaches, and here we are. Yeah. There's a lot of currency in becoming these stand leaders over the last few years. So, yeah, it doesn't shock me that this has become like a thing. now you look like the hero when you defend Wayne

and I agree he has substance and LeRussell's wrong but I don't care I don't give any fuck but you agree that who has substance I think Lil Wayne has substance okay and even if Wayne says I don't have substance I'm disagreeing with the artist that's writing the music okay you have

substance bro you've had substance you have a lot of bullshit of course you have that but you also have 10,000 mixtapes there's going to be some bullshit but you have substance but I don't care if La Russell thinks otherwise. And I don't think La Russell gives a fuck that I think otherwise.

We just all have to pretend like we do. Listen, man, La Russell, if La Russell has proven anything, he's self-sustaining. He'll be fine. He's literally created his own bubble. It's worth. Created his own world.

Community, everything. Created his own community. And I think this is interesting when he decides to, you know, sign a deal with a, I guess you can call Rock Nation a major. It is. Right?

Depending on the deal structure that you do, they do also have just the distribution company that they opened. So you do that. So you come out of your bubble to kind of like, you know, integrate with the outside world per se. And this is the first thing that happens. As soon as you, as you leave the Pagola, soon as you leave your backyard, soon as you step out of your bubble for one second, this is what they do to you. Yeah. And I think a lot of times, a lot of fans, because I saw LaRessel getting flack before the Wayne thing. but just signing with with Rock Nation because he was very open about turning down a deal with

Rock Nation a few years ago when Rock Nation's whole structure was drastically different. Well, he said there was no numbers attached to that the first contract. And I think a lot of fans, rightfully so, get attached to a artist that preaches independence, preaches doing things on your own, promotes that type of positive things for creators and artists. I think it's important that fans do attach themselves to that. But I think sometimes fans and listeners can be misinformed to somebody taking that business model and trying to elevate it. And now they're looking at you like a hypocrite because you don't fully understand the business.

LaRessal did not sell out. Rock Nation has drastically different deals now where you can partner with somebody to elevate your message that you have already in a different way on more of a corporate side to get what you're doing out of just your backyard. Like he's not supposed to elevate. All right. He's supposed to just forever do the exact same business model. Well, no. I mean, well, some people would say, yeah, he should just, you know, continue doing what he was doing. But he's still doing it, though.

No, definitely. He's still doing what he was doing. He still owns his master. Absolutely. Still has full creative control. Absolutely. Now there's just a partner that, I mean, he even said, again, before the Wayne thing, he said, after I signed with Rock, I watched the amount of placements and blogs that were posting my records

that had never posted before, are now posting it. And I know some fans, specifically like Barb's or whatever, would say that some evil Rock Nation thing. No, it's just what a label or partner does with marketing. That's just literally 101 marketing in any business. Yeah, now what LaRussell is doing in his backyard can be elevated to the rest of the world with a partner like Rock Nation. They have the connections to boost that shit out there.

Not fake bots or boost numbers, but get your message out there. There's nothing wrong with that, especially when you have a positive message. I think it's worse when if you had a negative one. Yeah. What's wrong with him to elevate in that way? But that also put you on Front Street. And now you had an opinion that you probably didn't even think before you even got on the microphone. And now that's the catch-22 of it.

Now you're in everyone's face the same dump shit. The verses we all need to see. The Pagola versus the front porch. Different platforms. How so? That's not, not to say La Russell hasn't brought. guests, I feel like even like Snoop has been back there. Like he's brought guests there, but Nucci with front point, like most of that is guest based. Whereas LaRussell is a lot of time,

him and his neighborhood and his community. Yeah, no, I get it. But I'm just saying, like, first of all, shout out to what both of those gentlemen have built them with incredible. Incredible. But when I say versus meaning like, I love what both of them have done. Like, I want to see who's going to be at the Bagola with Russell. I want to see who Nucci is bringing to the front porch. So yes, the front porch is definitely guest-based, but the Russell has had some big name. Oh, yeah. And I want to make it clear too. Nucci started front porch with his own music. Yeah. That wasn't like, yeah. I'm trying to do my version of outdoor tiny desk or some shit. Yeah. That was his shit. He was putting his music out and it caught. And then he was like,

well, shit, let me have some other people up here. Yeah. And make it a jam session and it turned into what it turned into. So I, I just the verses would be, that'd be tough, though. because you got like A-list, A-list shit down the front porch. Yeah. And we made it out there. I think that's the game changer. But we were spoke, and listen, Russell, we still want to go to the Pagola. We wanted to go in 2020.

Yeah, we were talking about years ago, never made it happen. But at some point, I'm definitely, definitely, I'm going to make it to the Bagola. Absolutely. Got to got to, got to make it to the house, literally that LaRussel has built. Yeah. I guess before we get off music and nerd shit, did you got to see the even? UMG partnership. I've seen him talking about it online.

I've seen a reason had some, some things to say about it. I saw when he retweeted it. What a reason to say? Well, he was kind of confused. Like, all right, so what is this? Yeah, I mean, there still needs to be a bit more information coming out with what their partnership means exactly, but it's the majors pivoting to direct to consumer. It's what we do with Patreon, going directly to the people that,

listen that want to pay just for you. Whereas... Oh, these are the labels playing ketchup again? Yeah. Got it. Okay. That's what you had to say. The same way when they played ketchup with streaming and then because they had the

catalog, they could own it. And now us as consumers are like, no, I'm paying $20 for this shit, but I only listen to two artists. I'd rather give my $20 to the two artists that I fuck with. I don't want to give it to Spotify to have the whole catalog of music. I'd rather my money go to the... This goes back to the stand culture we were talking about. Stand culture has become so prominent in...

everything has its positives and negatives, but I think platforms like Even or Patreon or anyone that goes direct to consumer with a paywall that you can pick is great for the stand culture. That's the positive part of stand culture. People will really support these artists that don't need anything else.

So yeah, it's labels playing catch up with direct to consumer. Okay. That's really all the entire thing is. I don't know exactly how they're going to pivot it or like if all UMG artists are now going to have their own, even account, but like, you know,

Coles used even. It's, it's a big platform. But I, I guess I just didn't see the outrage because I've seen plenty of major sign other independent companies and sublabels. And I don't think it's any different than that. Can you break it down just a little bit more? Because I'm sure there's a lot of people that don't know what even is.

I didn't know exactly what it was. I assume a lot of people that listen to this show know what Patreon is. It's a paywall where we can set different tiers for different prices. We can tell you what you get for this this amount of content for this price even as is pretty much the same thing with music If I want to put a record out to my fans a month in advance before it hits TSP's that's an option I can do It's it's really just a direct-to-consumer option for for your music shout out to shooter shout out to rock Marcy Shout out to those guys like that had that I've been doing this Yeah type of thing for years direct-to-consumer with their fan base

And this is again this is just essentially the majors now getting into that. Because before with even, you had to have own, if you wanted to go to direct to consumer, you had to own all of that content in order to give it to the consumer for a price. Now UMG is allowing that catalog to be used. So like if you are releasing something that is going to be under UMG,

if a fan wanted to get it early, you can still do that where before you couldn't because UMG owns it. Either way UMG is getting a cut. Yeah. And wait, is this back catalog like, Or just sticking new music. All right. For example, I don't want to use the artist's name,

but an artist that we all love that maybe live near Demaris at one point in their entire life. He got into a problem with Even and Even ended up getting sued because that artist owed another label a project and he put that project out on Even without permission to do so. So Even has ran into a lot of different lawsuits. Some you can research on your own. I'm not going to get into it. Most of them have been catalog-based or artists trying to utilize even when they're already in a deal with somebody else. So you're technically selling music that a major or whatever independent label you have is entitled to, but you're putting it over here on even.

It's like it's similar if we have something with Netflix and put it on Patreon. Like it's that same thing. Now, when you partner with UMG, I assume Even would probably prefer that because now I'm not going to have as many laws. and I have a partner with more artists that would be seamless in trying to get music out. If we're all friends here, then we can all utilize this platform the best way we can. Instead of fighting with artists labels when they're trying to put shit on your platform. So it's a smart business move on Even. And that's another thing kind of full circle to the La Russell thing.

I saw a lot of artists mad with Even like Even's supposed to be fighting your independent fight. Everyone is in this business to make money as well. And I don't think even for the good of the culture wants to get sued every day and not be able to grow their company and also make money. So I hear y'all, but not everything is revolutionary. Some people just come in this business to make money. That is a fact. Like, just because we're independent doesn't mean I'm not here to turn a profit. Like this isn't a 5013C, though.

Yeah, I want to make money. I'm here to make money. Yeah. And if that has to do with changing with the times and, I'm sure Spotify didn't want to fucking partner with Sony and Universal. But you got the catalog. I got no choice. Yeah.

I could just be a hero in Sweden for a couple hundred thousand people or I could grow it to be the biggest DSP ever. Which would you pick? Makes sense to me. Listen, it's business. It's business. That's what people have to understand. It's all a part of the business. And I get why fans art versus commerce.

I'm one of those people too where it's fucked up, but this is also people's job. not everything is for the love of of the culture. Sometimes people just want to make it. Not everything. Most things aren't for the love of the culture. Like, did I love what Nipsey did with a $100 mix tape?

Absolutely. Incredible. Great for the culture. It was a staple. It did prove a model at a time. It was amazing. Nipsi also made a lot of fucking money that I'm sure he was happy about.

Absolutely. I'm sure he was like, you know what? Nah, no, no. Give that. It ain't about that. Give that to hip hop. Yeah, yeah. Give that to hip hop.

Give that, you know what I'm saying? Get that to hip hop. Jay-Z, don't give me $10,000 for one of my mixtapes. I don't want that. Yeah, I bet. Yeah, you wish all this would say. Yeah, I think LaRussle wants to make money like the rest of us, too. Absolutely.

You can balance it. As you should. I've never had a real issue with Demaris until she typed this on our screen. The baby dropped a new album coming off a hot single. D'Maris. I'm sorry. No, no, I'm just stop producing. Fuck it.

I'm respecting your producer bubble. I'm respecting. Your producer bubble. The baby dropped a new album coming off a hot single. Blazing hip-hop and Army. Now, can I ask the question that... Scorching. You and I probably want to know the answer to.

What was the name of the single? Pop it, if I'm not mistaken? I like the baby. I just think the term hot singles. I love the baby, but I just didn't know the single that was hot. I don't know either. Pop that thing. Pop that thing?

Can we play it real quick? Just do a pause because I'm trying to see if I've heard it before. Yep. All right, no, I have not heard that scorching new single. I do like it. And don't take this as any fact. This is just my opinion with my algorithms. I'm not saying this is a fact.

I've started to notice I feel like the baby's blackbolt. I feel like he's kind of kicked out the algorithms. Like I should know that the baby has a single album. Like I keep up with his music. I wouldn't say I'm a diehard fan by any means, but I am a casual fan that would at least know you're putting out a single and pay attention of shit that I don't even care about.

Well, do you follow the baby on any? social media sites. No, no, Instagram. That's why I said a lot of my shit with Twitter was all hip hop stuff. And Instagram, I'm not going to follow. I wouldn't expect the baby to follow me either. I discover all new music on TikTok. So the reason why I said hot single is because that song is huge on TikTok.

Same as the juvenile song that you guys hadn't heard about. That juvenile record is fire. Yeah, BBB is big on TikTok. That record is so good. That's where I discover almost all new music now, because unless you curate your Instagram feed perfectly, you're not going to discover new people on Instagram. I just feel like outside of the fake canceling of the baby and other shit that was going on.

Of course I knew he wouldn't be as in our face as before. I just feel like he's some form of blackball has happened. Like he's not in anything that I see. He's been saying that he's blackballed for a while too. I also think it just might be that once you become unlikable to the masses, whether you earned it or not, once you become unlikable to the masses, nobody's going to report on you because no one cares. Netanyahu is probably the most reported on person in the world. My bad.

It was right there. I didn't know. I'm sorry. I apologize. Hey, my bubble. My bubble. You know, what's wrong with you, but no. I like that the baby's putting out music.

Shit, sometimes he'll end up being my YouTube algorithms when he's cooking food. But it's not rapping. He just recently had an interview. I would have to look up who the gentleman was, but he had an interview. He's doubling down on his comments. Basically, what he was saying is that his comments that he said about, like, you know, show your phone if you're not sucking dick in a parking lot or if you don't got HIV AIDS and things like that, he said that if, like, Kanye says stuff like that all the time and like, you know, Kanye does what he does and gets out of it,

he said, but because he's the baby and he's a household name, like he can't get. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I just, I get it. Wait, I want to make sure that you're paraphrasing this correctly. I am. I can play for you. I don't want to make. That's what. That's what. what he said. I don't want a shit on a baby right now if he didn't say that because that's the craziest statement I've ever fucking heard. That's what he said. See, the thing is this and I'm glad the marriage just said what she said because I didn't

even know the baby said that. And Rory can attest to this. I've fucked with the baby. I've been singing his praises for years. I think the problem, the problem is I don't think the baby has shown much growth musically. And I think that's part of the problems because you can say something and be quote-unquote canceled and all it is.

But like you say, Kanye could say something and, you know, Kanye has said the craziest of the crazy things. But the difference is Kanye's talent level and the music is

always going to bring people back to the table to listen to it and to support it because it's just that good. The talent and the art is that good. So while the baby may be blackballed in certain circles and, you know, people

in his fan base, you know, might not, you know, they might be mad at them, but I'm a firm believer in the only people that cancel you are people that never truly supported you. Like, when people support you, because they know you,

they know, you know, your demeanor, they know, the type of person you are. You could say things that's kind of like, all right, that was wild. But because your fans and your people know you and support you, They know that, you know, you just had a bad moment. But they're not going to cancel you and never support you again.

Like, so, you know, I get with the baby saying he may, he might have a right to feel like he's being blackball. Maybe he's not invited in the same rooms he was invited him before. He might not be invited back to the Grammys for a while. He might not be invited back to, you know, Jay Leno or wherever he was at before his comments. Mainstream, mainstream. But your fans, when it comes to streaming your music and coming to your show, they're not canceling you for what you said. Your fans are not canceling you for it. Is it possible he didn't build,

he didn't have enough time building the cult fan base to avoid that. Now, yes, I don't think, no, he doesn't have a cult fan base in order to do that. No. Otherwise, you have a fan base full of casual fans. So then when you get canceled, they're not standing by you because they were casual fan. I like the baby, but he hasn't put out the type of art that would attain or acquire a cult fan base. Like that's, that you got, you getting into a different level. of art and different level of talent

when you're talking about cult fan base. Like it's just a different, it takes a different thing to break through that ceiling of, I now have a cult following. Well, no, it doesn't always have to be talent because, you know, we have spoken about artists who we don't think are that talented that have a cult fan base that has gotten them

very, very successful. Like, they'll be at every show of them, niggas just in their screaming demonically. True, because Playboy Carter can say exactly what the baby said and he's his streaming and everything would be a number one record. It still be a number one album. It would still be perfect.

The cult fan base, I think, takes time in consistency. Time and I don't think that the baby had all of that before he did what he did. Now, his trajectory before that, he was definitely trending up. Oh, for sure. That's why I think both bubbles can be true because both things can be true there that he didn't really evolve with his music, but that shit happened before he had the chance to even do so. and if you're not evolving with your music and you're also not quote unquote likable,

now both things are fucked up. Because I think to your point, yes, you don't get canceled. But if you're also not evolving to create a core fan base and now you're unlikable, the casual fan, even if they don't care about what you said, you may not be in their algorithms anymore. Because the baby was very much a streaming artist. Big on Spotify, big on YouTube.

I think he could have got there. Like the Kirk album I thought had substance on it. I think he was on his way to being one of the best visual artists with music videos of that era. And yeah, I do think that definitely affected it. I don't think it canceled the baby. But he was on his way to starting to create a fan base. And then when you become unlikable to mainstream, you're not in everyone's faces and they're moving on to other shit. In this same interview, he was talking about how like, I'm not changing for nobody.

I'm not this. Like, it's whatever. Like, he was just kind of like doubling down on it. Like, I am who I am. Other niggas clean shit up. I'm not cleaning shit up. Da, da, da, da. And the thing is, like, I hear you, but then you can't complain about being just blackballed.

Because it's not just the industry that are blackballing you. You kind of, you had a good two years where you did a lot of shit at the wrong moments that rubbed multiple people wrong. Like, you're a rap artist. If you just attack the gay community, like, eventually you'll be fine. Right. Every damn near every rapper has attacked the gay community at one point. But then you also have all this shit going on with you and your baby mother that's like

doesn't look that great. And then at the same time, you bring Tori on stage when he's in the hot seat, right? So now you don't piss the women all. You don't piss the gays off. You don't piss the women off. Then you go and make a song when Megan's going through all her shit saying, oh, same night she said she got shot by Tori. I fuck Megan the Stallion.

It was just too much combined lame shit at once. And that's on the PR side. Also on the liability side, you have to remember baby, whether he was right or wrong, people touching him at the club or whatever, it felt like for three months straight. He was whooping people ass. Like every event he was hosting. Somebody was getting punched. Like, no, I'm not doing this.

Like, you too much of a liability. Yeah. Whether he's protecting himself or not, I'm not here to debate that. Because I think that's unfair. I don't know how he felt at the time if he felt like he was being threatened and needed to react. I'm not here to debate. that. But when it, every fucking headline, every time you

host something or every time after a fucking festival, you or your security is knocking somebody the fuck out, yeah, you're not going to be, you're not going to be at the festivals like you were before. Yeah. It was just too much at once. Like you can say, everybody says dislikable shit every once

in a while, but like you just had too much at once when you were at like the height of your career. And then you continue to like double down on it. There's no like, I'm sorry. There's no. And I get that but now you got to deal with the consequences of those actions you can be the bad guy but that that art better be fucking incredible yeah you can be the villain so i'm saying if it doesn't evolve you can't also be disliked right you can be the villain but you got to be putting out art

that's undeniable it got to be at a certain level at all times and that's just the reality of it because i i feel what the baby's saying you got dudes out here that you know got sexual assault on them got all kind of shit on them. Still doing shows, selling out arenas, selling albums, streaming out, streaming well. So I understand what he's saying. There's a lot of people out here that have shit on them that's like, you know, would be deemed worse than what the baby did or said, right? Hell yeah. But again, I get it. I'm on the side of the baby. I understand what he's saying. It's like because, okay, I said that. Yeah, I shouldn't have said that. That was a mistake. But I ain't got no essay on my jacket, though.

And there's dudes with essays all over, they jacket, like a motherfucking high school classroom. And they just out here winning. Ain't canceled nowhere, getting all the looks and, you know, lose a show,

get a show back. You know what I'm saying? But I think that kind of speaks to the point we were all making with the tornado shit that happened with the baby because that's the irony of cancel culture. Everyone appears like they care

in the moment that much, but most people don't give a fuck enough to even know about your essay cases. or whatever. Like, I'm not putting anything on Kodak because I don't know a lot about that case. But even if you'd asked like the regular casual Kodak fan, they probably

know nothing about that case. But the baby, if he would have just said, yo, make some noise if you didn't suck your man's dick in the parking lot. And that's all he did. We would not be having this conversation right now. Yeah. It was the amount of things that kept piling on, doubling down. Kodak

went to jail and most people didn't even fucking know until somebody said free Kodak. And he's a huge artist. Casual fans don't know that much about your personal life. We're podcasters. We fucking know way more than most people because this is our job and obsession. But the regular person listen to Kodak, I guarantee you couldn't

tell you much about that case. And every single time you do something new, they're going to bring up the old shit too. So now it's just like it just keeps getting rehashed and rehashed. That's why I was, I think the baby makes even stuff. Like I know you guys say there's been no growth. But like this song, the song was sexy red. Like, I think that those

I like ass shaking music. You see what I'm saying? So I think he could do fine, but every time he gets another opportunity, where we didn't forget for a little bit, he come back, put some hot shit out, he keeps doubling down on old situations. If you're going to go to interviews, tell them, niggas, stop asking you about that shit. Yeah. Especially if your answer's not going to change, you're not going to apologize. Tell them, stop asking you. And again, I always felt like he was talking about somebody specific, not a community. Yeah. With those comments. Some been talking about somebody specific and that. Oh, no, I think that happened that day.

I think somebody was sucking dick in that parking lot. Well, I mean, I think whoever was supposed to get that message heard that message. That was not about a community. That was about, it made no sense. Go listen to that clip. It makes no sense to just randomly yell that out. That was about somebody that was backstage. I have no, this is just my own tinfoil hack and speak.

Go listen to that clip. Nobody would just blurt that out. Nobody would literally, like, that's Tourette's. Nobody would literally just yell that out. Yeah, how long? That was about somebody backstage for sure. I feel like that. 21, if I'm not mistaken.

21? Yeah. I thought that was before COVID. No, it wasn't before, because it was after, it was after Meg got shot. Oh, yeah, yeah, I guess so. Yeah, when the world started to open up again. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

And also a crazy time, not for the obvious with Meg, but Meg and the baby were kind of like the male and female counterparts of each other with singles. even some of the criticism you guys have similar like flows all the time COVID like when y'all were about to go on your run run it got weird and then obviously with Meg a whole separate issue you haven't that same show he bought he snuck Torio he snuck Torio on stage that when Meg was there that was it was you did too much unlikable shit at once like yeah yeah I hear that and but to compare yourself to Kanye in that and I think Kanye has said

in way more insane things than the baby has probably ever even thought it's just like Come on, what are we talking about? We had Kanye for 20 years before he really lost his fucking mind. Yeah, but when you got the college dropout and Jesus walks and flashing lights, you know, niggas say what Kanye said, you're going to be at his show looking like Jay when Jay was like this and looking at like this nigga got Joyce. You can't cancel this nigga, man.

You can't cancel Kanye. Like, what do we talk about? It's all nasty, but yeah, 20 years of being loved. Yeah, you get a few passes. Versus 24 months. Yeah. Yeah, it's a different. Of great records, but the same flow.

Like, we could, I can move on. I really fuck with the baby. I can move on. But like, no, I really, I want to make that clear because I know that's, that's something that I don't think the podcast world gives the baby of how talented he is and the support. I think he is great. And if he disappeared after that, it, like, really got canceled. I, like, my life wouldn't have altered.

Like, you take Kanye's catalog out. a lot of our lives alter. Not only that, though, and I think we spoke to this around that time, too. Like, the one thing that I think people aren't put, taken into account when it comes to the baby is here's somebody who's, he has a lot of mental shit going on. Like, killed somebody in Walmart.

Yeah, like somebody was trying to kill him, you know, rob him in front of his family had to kill him. His brother was killed, I believe, like. His father passed. Like here is, there is clearly somebody here with a lot of PTSD, a lot of like issues who can probably turn into a very cold, very, I don't give a fuck when nobody thinks. You know, like, I can understand how somebody could have that energy on them going through the things that, you know, the baby has, has been through.

And I think that, you know, because somebody has a talent and as an entertainer, we kind of just put that to the back burner like, nah, you're supposed to be this, you know, you're supposed to get everything right and be. this perfect person all the time. It's like, this dude clearly has some mental things going on. Like he's not, I don't know if the baby has ever gotten therapy for that,

which is, you know, you kill somebody. You definitely need to go to therapy. Your brother gets killed. I can, you definitely need to go to therapy. Like, you know, we, sometimes I feel like, yes, the baby says some things that you shouldn't have said.

He's human. He made a mistake. But you also have to understand. Here's somebody that we're talking about who is. is probably just not mentally as healthy as most people should be. I think we just need to, you know, fact it out into it at the same time. I understand what he said.

Hurt some people. I get that. But fact into the, he's dealing with her. He's dealing with trauma. He's dealing with his own shit mentally. Like, we got to add that into people. When you have been doubling down for five years, the mistake goes out the window. You say you don't regret what you said and you will say it again.

The mistake goes out the window. Right. I understand. but do you understand that with that energy is rooted in? No, that energy is rooted in. I don't give a fuck about what nobody got to say because somebody tried to kill me or harm me and my family at one point.

I don't give a fuck. It's me against the world. It's easy to develop that energy when you go through shit like that. That's all I'm saying. I'm not defending it. I'm just saying as a black man in America looking at somebody like that and what he's been through

and unknowing people that have been through the type of shit the baby has been through, I get it. I understand how you get to a point. I don't give a fuck with nobody got to say, niggas. Don't nobody give a fuck about me. I know how easy it is to develop that energy is all I'm saying. So that's all I'm saying to the baby. Sometimes you just got to factor that in as well.

That perspective bleeds over into your career. Everything. Your brain is now wired that way. You put a mic in my hand, right? It doesn't excuse it. It doesn't excuse it. I'm not excusing it. I just understand it a little better than some people.

may understand. Did you, the Kirk album is my favorite of the baby album. That intro pretty much speaks to everything that I shit. As a baby fan before Kirk came out, I didn't even know all the shit he went through. That intro on the Kirk album was one of my favorite records of 2019. Yeah. Like, yeah, no, he's been through some shit that you have to at least factor in. I'm not saying the things he says are okay, but they're not literally harming people.

Yeah. At that point, we could stop what's going on. Like, I get it in rap. Everybody talks about gangster shit. You know, I kill you. I shoot you. I shoot you, I see what I wish you. Yeah, I get it. Not until you really do it. Do you really know and understand what that does to you mentally and, you know, how it changes you and affects you, is all I'm saying.

So, yeah, man, factor that in a little bit when y'all talk about canceling people. Just kind of factoring what they've been through in their real lives is all I'm saying. Yeah. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet, which mall I don't even need to tell you is Florida sports book. You knew that already. I know it's tough. There's no more football. The big game has passed.

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Ohio, Tennessee, and Virginia. You feel the same way about Cam? Because Cam, he's digging himself in a hole. What Cam do now? We talked about him yesterday. Oh, Newton. You got to be particular about the Cam. Ron, bro.

Yeah. You're right. Cam, if you would have said Cam, I would have thought Cam Ron. Yeah. Cam Newton. I'm sorry. I feel like we just talked about him on yesterday's episode and more shit came out. He's leaning into it.

He's leaning into that villain era. So, no, but this is, this is. Not a villain. How long before Cam, Newton cut the dreads off, go bald. How long before he get into that, you know, that zone? Where it's all the way I'm the villain now.

I don't know. No, I think the dreads through the hat is his joker aesthetic. He's going to stay that. He's going to stay that way. That's the righteous villain. That's the shit is more horrible. I would hate him less if he had, if he's bald.

That's the righteous villain right now. But he's trending. He's the righteous villain right now? He's trending. You feel Cam Newton is a righteous villain? Look at all of our favorite movies. The villain was always born. All like, you know what I'm saying.

He's trending to cutting it all off is what I'm saying. He's saying things where it's like, yeah, he about to go all the way. He about to just go all the way. Like, let me be the, let me be the internet's bad guy. Let me be the guy that everybody hates and they're like, yo, this guy's an idiot. He's an asshole. He's whatever. He doesn't like women.

He doesn't respect women. He's misogynistic. I see Cam Newton going all the way. But what we were disagreeing about is you were, like I said, you stand up for people a lot in our previous episode we say you stand up for people and say he doesn't really think that he's just like being an entertainer and I'll be telling you two things can be true he can be leaning into it to be entertaining but he also believes this shit yeah because he don't just pull them talking points out the side of his ass like he you can tell he stands on that shit he believes it he's at those conversations a few

times off mic yeah I don't think he's just doing that my um who was his latest one so right now he's currently going viral because he said that women lose he was having a conversation with a woman who Before you say what he said That's my issue Why do women keep sitting down With this thinking Like y'all like abuse

Women love abuse So the reason why I took that deep breath Is because she was over there agreeing What the fuck he was saying So it's just like Oh shit I didn't know that Okay proceed She asked him

She was like do you think women like Well the number The thing that she's also like hating Women She's getting yeah She's getting killed Because she was saying She was like you know

I could never be a baby mother That's why I like got married Before I had a kid because I can never be a baby mother. And they're like, they're in the comments tearing her up. Like, girl, I got married before I had this baby too, then I got divorced. Now suddenly I'm a baby mother. Like it's like, that happens all the time.

Right. And she asked him, do you think women lose value every time they have a kid? And he was like, yeah. He was like, the more kids you have, like you lose value. And he has nine with three different women. So does he feel men lose value after they have kids or no? Of course not. He just feels women lose value after they give birth.

Mm-hmm. I don't know. Beyonce got three kids, man. She's, she's doing a right. B seems to be doing it. I think the main thing was if you have kids with, if you're single now and you have children. Okay.

If you're a single, if you're a single mom, you lose value. Yeah, he's about to cut the dress, dog. I mean, he's all that righteous shit.

Who's, uh, rest and peace of the gentleman. Who was the guy that used to just, Kevin Samu's? Yeah, my frat brother. Cam,

Oh, you bitches. Oh, excuse me. Oh, my God. Respect. All Samuels. My bad. My bad. Respect the bubbles.

You women, the things y'all said and did online when Kevin Samuels died, just know that I ain't forget the tweets is all I'm saying. Oh, they were happy that he passed away? What? Yeah, that was a little. That was crazy. And as someone that did disagree with a lot of things, Kevin Samuel said, I didn't think he deserved to die.

Yo, I just, I remember, it's all I'm saying. I saw some tweets from some people and I was like, yo. y'all are crazy okay i didn't say anything when kevin said i didn't i don't i don't remember yeah but you turned your music up in the crib a little loud and had a couple glasses of wine i'm never happy that anyone dies right especially what i will say is there has if you there's a lot of people that sometimes people feel like yo if we got them get these niggas off this earth not that somebody deserves to die but the same way how um dr um um um dr um um marr said some of you niggas got to be put down like some of you niggas can't go if we're gonna fix the issues we have in our black

community, some of you niggas need to be put down, right? I'm sure some people felt like that. Some people felt like men who have a reputation for hating women or being disrespectful to women. If somebody got to live, natural selection, some people got to die. I can't jack that because y'all be out here supporting dudes that don't like women that have done wild shit to women and y'all still show up and support these women. But I think that when people say that when they say y'all do this but do this, I think the women that are supporting abusers and the people, who are wishing death on Kevin Samuels,

I think those are two totally different types of women or two totally different audiences, me personally. I feel like that happens out of time. They're like, I saw y'all doing this. It's like, some of them be at the same shows. It's not all the same people. It's different types of people. Yeah, but some of them are the same shows.

Same show, same night. They'll be watching. They'll watch Kevin Samuels and get mad and then go to the show of the dude that has a way shittier person. Say the name. The dude that, I'm not going to say no names, but I'm just saying. We see it.

Open Apple Music. We see it is all I'm saying. So it's like, all right, which one is it? Because I don't think, I don't, I'm not saying, I don't think Kevin Samuels has ever done anything, uh, disrespect for the women outside of being maybe brutally honest. Maybe, you know, say like, listen, you need to, you're a single mom. You're, you're, you're, you're overweight, you know, which means you probably don't take care of yourself. Like, and you want a man that has all of these things.

You need to be more realistic. I don't think that that's, that. that crazy. And that's why I'm trying to say something to not be mean to Cam Newton. I see he's going down that path. And to your point of people that have the mentality, Kevin Samuels, his clips about shitting on men never went viral. No.

He was pretty brutal to men as well. He kept the even playing field to some point. I didn't agree with everything he said. But he articulated every point, whether you like this point or not, cool. At least he could articulate it. Cam sometimes just be saying shit. like I think and I'm not comparing cam to like a fresh and fit or anything but even if I disagree with Kevin Samuels a Kevin Samuels is way more important than a fresh and fit or sometimes where Cam lands in the middle

when we're talking about these red pillish men like podcasts and in content Kevin Samuels was was not that bad compared to where these things have have moved at least he sat there and are articulated why he felt that way. Instead of just saying shit to say it. It was mean. And I disagreed a lot of time like, yo, you are bugging. Like it. But a lot of times it was like, are you a victim or a volunteer?

Stop calling in this motherfucker show to get abused. Yeah, that's crazy. That's my kid. Called into a show to have a man, Rachel, and tell you what's wrong with you? Yeah, like, I don't know. Bitch, you need to be put down with the rest of them. I can ask you a question. What's the difference between Kevin Samuels

and Pop the Balloon? There's a big difference. What's the difference? Pop the balloon is a dating game. It's a game, a game show. Okay. Kevin Samuels was more intelligent. Kevin Samuels wasn't trying to date these women, so he was wrong for what he was saying?

Well, everybody on Pop the Balloon doesn't say the same exact thing. They're all different people. I can pull up episodes of Pop the Balloon where a woman is standing right there. And they're like, why you popped your balloon? Yo, listen, I don't like her feet. I don't like her head, his wig. I don't like she's overweight. Same.

Breaking them down. It's the same thing. I'm breaking this woman down in front of a camera. I'm telling you what I see physically and I'm like I don't like that I don't think that that's I don't I'm not into that what was the difference in what Kevin Samuys was doing I don't know I guess at least at least he was more articulate at least he gave kind of like leaned more towards you know I guess numbers and stats when it came to single women with women with kids and things like that like at least he used more that pop the balloon they just be up there like y'all know I don't like you're fit you know what I'm saying like you look crazy like that's like that's This woman is a nurse. No kids. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, so my thing is, what's the difference between Kevin Samuels and pop the

balloon? Kevin Samuels had a bigger platform when you have a big platform. So y'all going penalize me because I didn't build my shit. I'm, I'm trending up. So now y'all mad. Now when God called me home, you bitches is white Ziffindale. Y'all laughing, tweet and shit like God don't play about. Like, what?

What? I guess because I was an anti Kevin Samu's. I support Diggs and all capus, but I still was not like the biggest fan of his, but as time went where things are going, it's similar to now where I'm like, John McCain would have been a pretty good president. Now I look where the fuck we at now.

Like, no, hey, yo, Kevin Samuels was not as bad as I fucking thought he was, man. He's gotten worse. He was kind of on point. It's a guy and word. To where the fuck this shit went, we should have been so lucky to have Kevin Samu is gotten so much worse. Holy shit. You know what I would love if we could bring John McCain back from the dead?

Oh my, to run the Republican Party? I'm just saying. Just saying. Kevin Samuels should be running all of red pill content right now because that shit is so off the fucking rails. I thought. And Cam is teetering. I don't know if he's going to go full. But he's there. And I know he believes what he believes. Is he going to go extra to start getting crazy for content purposes? Because he's also not out of his mind in what he's saying here. Because I also feel, I know society views single women with a child and a single man with a child drastically different. I totally understand that. But I think my value drops as far as much as what I can offer as far as time to a relationship if I have a child.

I think my value lowers as a man with a child. So I don't think he's crazy in what he's saying. But when you have nine kids with three different baby mothers, maybe sometimes you should just shut up when certain topics come on. Has Kevin Samuels ever called a woman out of her name? I don't, I don't know. I'm not, I haven't studied yet. No, he just always did it in a very sassy.

Like, a lot of people thought Kevin Samuel was gay because it wasn't like you giving it advice to a woman. It was like you enjoy, like you're enjoying like breaking this woman down. I think that was what he got a lot of backlash. I can see that. Because it was very sassy. Like when they found out he died with like a thick Latina on top of him, everybody was like, damn, I thought he was gay. You got to go out. Yeah, but I'm just, I'm just more so.

My bad. I'm just trying to remember if I've ever seen him get into it with a woman and be like, bitch, get off the phone. Call her name. I'm not sure. I don't know if I've ever even seen that. But sometimes not cursing doesn't mean you're not being meaner. You're not being disrespectful.

Sometimes saying bitch get off the phone is nicer than bringing someone's whole life. No, no, no. That's how you're receiving the honesty. That's how you're receiving the honesty. That's how you're receiving it. I'm not being disrespectful because I'm being, I guess, brutally honest. That doesn't mean I'm being disrespectful. We've had a conversation about the word brutally because brutally has a meaning.

Like you can be honest without being brutally honest. And I feel like once you get to, once you have a platform and you know that this is garnering you attention to your platform, that brutally becomes entertainment. So even though you may be talking to a human person, you're purposely going out of your way to be brutally honest, which mean for entertainment. And that is where lines can get crossed. Would you want your therapist to be brutally honest with you? Not brutally.

no, I'm not paying you to be brutal to me. You can be honest and you can get your point across without intentionally being me. Okay, but if I advertise my therapy company as I'm going to be, you know, when you show up, I'm telling you, you will get brutal honesty. You may not want to hear this. I'm going to be truthful in my perspective

of how society runs and who you are in this society and where your value level is at. I feel I'm an expert at this. I have a degree. It's called brutally honest, Therapy.com. You know what you're signing up for. Don't come and lay on my couch and be mad that I was brutally honest to you. No, for sure. But also, so I think the people who would sign up are stupid, right? Just like I think some people who go and have, try to have certain conversations with

Cam Newton are stupid, right? Or expect, I won't say have certain conversations with him, but have conversations with him and expect something out of him that they're not going to get. I think there's a level of stupidity in that that you're signing up for you can't be mad at. Same thing with the people that listen to him and get mad at the things he says. But also at the same time that doesn't make you innocent of what you're doing just because somebody signed up for it. Like you still have, once you have a platform that large and you know that there are young men looking up to you, what you say, there's, not everybody is smart enough to realize that you're stupid. So what you say has an effect.

So when you're trying to, we're in an area of trying to raise men who respect women and value women and you know that there are little boys who look up to you from football to the shit that you say, you have to be held accountable for the shit that you're pushing. But to me, that's the difference between Kevin Samuels and I don't want to put Cam in this. We can use a freshman fit guy. I think I don't think Kevin Samuel's goal was ever to get young men to hate women, where I do think people like the fresh and fit guys. That's their insecure goal is to do so with 22-year-old prostitutes in Miami as their example, as that's if that's every woman in America. I don't think Kevin Samuel's goal ever was to do that.

I think it was to be realistic with who you are as a person unless you want to change. and become better. This is where you at in life, in my opinion. And you could disagree. Kevin Samuels wasn't fucking God. His opinion wasn't fact. But people called in for his opinion. So he gave it, which I think is fair.

I never sat there and thought, like, the feeble-minded, impressionable young men are going to look at this and go, I should hate women. I don't think that. I think that with a lot of this other red pill bullshit, but I don't think that was Kevin. He was just kind of a fucking mean, sassy bitch.

Kevin Samuels had a lot, Whether it was his intention or not, he definitely had a, he was red pill, bro. And he had people that looked up to him. He's the John McCain of where now you get to MAGA. Like, that's what I'm saying.

I don't think he was as fucking insane as red pill is now. Oh, no, no, definitely not. He was red pill, 100%. But not to the degree of what it is. Like, I have these views for my party, but they're off the rails now. No, I figured out what I'm going to do. Well, damn, I got my nephew this weekend,

but this coming week. Red pill them? No, this coming a week. No, I'm going to go back through, I'm going to go back through the Kevin Samuel's files, man. I'm going to just go back through it. I'm going to just binge Kevin Samuel's files and just kind of like just.

There's so many better things you could do with your brain and your time. No, no, because it's something specific right now that I'm thinking about that I'm looking for in what he was doing. And I just want to see if it's there. That's all. Yeah.

Because I think, again, I think people just, you know, it became a cool thing to just kind of like hate him and, you know, clap when he died and things like that. Like, it was stupid, but I'm just looking for something in particular. And I just want to see if it is. But there will always be, and this is the thing. Like, there will always be someone happy that someone died.

Everybody has ops. Everybody has haters. But everybody has, like. Well, that's because he was a public figure. Respectfully, it's going to be niggas that clap when you die. I can't be. There's going to be niggas that clap when I die. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, that happens when you're a public figure and you, turn into this arena and sometimes you're going to say shit that people disagree with. It happens. I don't know if I've ever clapped when someone died. And if I said that, I was lying. I don't know if I've ever clapped when someone died. Not literal clapping. Or like,

I think Dick Cheney was the biggest piece of shit on earth. I wasn't like happy that day, but I wasn't sad. Like I, like nothing changed. Shut up, Peach. I don't even hear what Pete said. Ben Laden. Just ignore him. just that's what

that's what I'm like just shut up I never met the man oh no being happy when someone dies to me is is kind of nuts but again like

when Dick Chaney died and everyone on Twitter was got like all right so what I agree with what they were saying but to be happy just because someone

said some mean shit on the internet that's a little crazy to me but I don't know but yeah I don't know I do feel like

and this is not just for men is for women to, I feel like if you have a platform, you're going to make money off of this platform because that's what we're all trying to do. And you're saying things that you know are going to get pushed and they're extravagant and that people are going to comment out of them. They're going to end up all these places. You do have a responsibility when you look and be like, what am I really pushing to these people? What am I really pushing to these people? With our platform too, but we push silly shit, funny shit. We don't really push harmful ideologies

that like can kick in the back people in our community. You know, you know what I'm saying? It's just, it's just weird. It's just like everything, at one point do you lay down at bed at night and be like, damn, yo, what I'm doing ain't really okay. Like, yeah, if you're, if you're harmed off Cole, Kendrick, and Drake opinions, you deserve to be harmed. Yeah. That's your fault. That's not harmful. If that harms you, then that's, that, that's your journey. Marr's your book. You shouldn't have a, you shouldn't have a fish tank or drink Pepsi. I don't really feel like that's really like, we're not really changing the game here. I thought I was giving great advice. See, I thought I was giving great advice. And now they're going to clap when I

die because I said, you shouldn't be drinking Pepsi. See? As Kevin Samuels being my fraternity brother, I would have loved to hear his opinion on that frat hazing video that's been going viral. I would have loved to hear his sassy. Yeah, it looked like it stink down there. Wherever they was at. Yo. It looked like it was. Oh, I mean, if if Cap Alpha, side was an organization that hazed, I'm sure every basement would smell the exact same in all 50 states. I know that shit. Funky.

Oh. A room for a... Wet white. Not white. Wait whites. Keep on it. No, please keep. Not a room.

Not a room. That was the funniest thing that was said this as a white. That was fine. Wet white is fucking hilarious. They call me racist all the time. No, no, no, no. Wet whites is hilarious, though. All right.

Well, then, B, come back in. A room full of wet whites is fucking hilarious. That's hilarious. What? I know it smelled like a pet co-bad from it. For sure. For sure. Yeah, that's rough.

They said they banned until 2029. Who's banned? Like their chapter. Yeah. That's all right. They'll be back. Give them Tyler and Connor rebrand. I'll just say because of course I saw everyone the outrage that was going on in here.

The stories I've heard. allegedly about pledging like a herd like folk tales campfire stories all they was doing was standing there in a basement being blind folded they were wet though what oatmeal? What? Oatmeal? I don't think it was only I think Pige made that up but they were wet they were wet they were they rubbed oatmeal all over each other y'all y'all never just been you're I never been soaking in a basement before?

Nah. Nah. Never, never, so I'll answer your question. I've never been soaking in the basement. You got a fucking a basement and getting a little hot? Not that hot. We wasn't both glistening like that. Nah.

They ain't never been that hot. And we're going to open a window or something in this motherfucker. I did see that the other side of the white fraternity world defending some of the shit that if we did allow hazing, there'd be more men out here. But, hey. Not a debate I would have on a podcast. Not for me. But no, that video was

hilarious. Because at that point, like, when do you take your blindfold off? If you are allegedly pledging a fraternity, I feel like you know the voices of the two people that are leading the charge of the alleged haze.

You would hear a cop's voice and be like, you know, what? I want to know, Is there a way we could find us out? How many single, how many only childs are in a fraternity? Only children? Yeah, only children.

I would like to know that. All my line brothers have siblings. Out of all of New Jersey, New York, all my travels, I don't know if I know one other noop that's the only child. How many of them had imaginary friends when they was growing up? It's weird that y'all view that shit that way, though.

We want to get into what I have never understood pledging of fraternity, never understood it. Which is fine. I'm never one of those people that, that when people say that, that I get, like, offended. I totally get it. I just think you may have a skewed perception of the entire thing because, no, I don't, I can only speak for the chapters that I've been around. I've never met somebody that, like, was looking for friends. like every single time even with my line brothers

like my crew of friends their crew of friends like everyone just became friends we just the seven of us just happened to do that that semester like nobody was looking for friends I get it at the same time I don't

but I get it I mean some people enjoy being around like-minded individuals with you know the same goals that day I enjoy being around like-minded individual but when you tell me I all of y'all today

night at 9 p.m. got to go in this basement and put oatmeal on you. I'm not doing that. Sounds like a great college night. I'm not jacking that. I'm not jacking that. And you know that they got like eventually they end up like paying like they're paying dudes to be like that. But I didn't like pledges. So I can't speak to that. I'm just talking about being in a fraternity. I can't speak to hazing

or pledging. No, I get what you saying. Yeah. But I yeah, it's just not I can see how that would look like. Because if I was a cop, I wouldn't even think fraternity even if I was on a campus. I would be like, oh this is Epstein's code down here right now. Yeah, that's just not. Why y'all ain't got no shirt?

You're how scared you would have to be? Like, yo, why they ain't got no shirts on? Like, what part of, like, what am I proven? Because I'm down here with my homies and we all, y'all, y'all ain't wearing no shirts? I ain't wearing no shirts tonight. What is that? Well, let me ask.

Titty twister. I got a peat. Niple twister. That's hilarious. Do you guys have, allegedly, do you have friends that have joined a gang? I do allegedly? Yeah, I got a lot of friends. Okay.

So were they only children? were they were they a lot of them were they jumped in yeah they were looking they were missing something

they were looking for missing a chromosome maybe yes you know they was missing something but don't do don't do that at home okay

yeah no no I understand forget like bloods gangs in general have been around since the dawn of time based off that exact principle yeah

but you don't think that could be something in with a college student as well yeah no for sure like yeah something

something missing doesn't necessarily mean something's wrong or you're in search of validation or friends or anything. Yeah. I mean, a lifelong community that you can be around forever is an important thing to people. I'm just saying like I didn't go to college and I got a lot of homies that's like went to college, part of fraternities. Yeah.

I'm just was never, I'm not doing that. I think if it defines your entire life, then I can understand more of what you guys are saying, which I do know some capas that, yes, That is their entire identity has become that from when they were 19 to now when they're in their 40s. Yes, I think those people were searching for what you guys are talking about. But I don't think that's the high majority case with everything.

What were you searching for? No, I don't think it was like a specific thing I was searching for or in any regards having to do with being an only child. because even my line brother, Danny, was my best friend at the time, he was already my best friend. So it wasn't like I was going to meet someone there, but all the principles that Kappa stood for in the community and getting to know some of the older brothers in Kappa

and what they had going on in their lives and the network that you had for the rest of your life. Because Divine Nod is not like the white frats of this basement shit. I don't want to speak for them, but I guarantee once they graduate, that'll be the last time they even think about the, like that's not a lifelong thing. There's alumni chapters.

There's so much with Kappa for the rest of your life. Shit, in the music industry, the amount of people I've even met because of Kappa, that was an important thing to have a community of like-minded people. Yeah, but I feel like you figure all of that, the community of the like-minded people is like, that's like straight out the handbook. Like he wrote, he read that. I feel like you find all of that.

It's also a non-hazing organization. I feel like you find all of that out once you start pledging. No, that's not true because it's not, again, I'm not speaking for white frats. You don't just show up that day and then you're in a basin with a blindfold. No. It's a long process to eat. even be considered to become a member. You have to meet. You have to get three recommendations, a written letter from members already. That takes time. The amount of times I've turned it down for

people like, I don't even fucking know you. You got to talk to me for six months just so I could get to know to see if you'd be a viable candidate, not on some hazing. Like, I just want to get to know this person before. It is a very long process. What I'm saying is, I'd love to get jumped in for 30 seconds and be done. It's a very long process. What I'm saying is before all of that, what what was the first thing that clicked in your head to say, I want to go like, oh. This is a lifetime thing. And on top of that, my best friend's,

my best friend in high school, his mother was a Delta. So she was the first person that was like, you should look at it. I even meet the Greeks. Look at the Q's first just because she was a Delta and they had more of an alliance. But Kappa was way more than me.

I love Q's, but Kappa was more for me. Oh my God. If you were a Q, I would not be on a spot. I couldn't talk about. No, I don't do. I love the Q's, man. I do too. I were so close with the Q's.

Jersey. I love you. If you're, if you were walking around swirling your tongue around me, would have never been friends. Do it. Try it. Oh, you're a cat. I mean. I wouldn't disrespect the cues like that. But yeah, it's a, it's a full journey in finding that. Not just one day. It's like, yeah, I want to do this. And one thing clicks. Like, it takes a while. I'm respecting the fraternity bubble. Yeah, so I'm all over there quiet. There's a lot, but like anything else with, with membership of that amount of people for that long, of course, there's bullshit in everything. Oh, in life. Yeah, it's the same as any joining any other organization, the same people do intermurals in college.

Why are you joining? I don't know. Fucking get to know the people that are here. That's how it starts. It's freshman orientation. It's all part of that college process. Got it. So, yeah.

All right. Well, another week. The gang is here. So I guess we're going to get started on Patreon so we can have some more crazy conversations. Got some things I want to talk about coming off of Valentine's Day with the ladies. The secrets. The secrets. The secret I can't talk about on Netflix.

Got some shit I want to talk to Zip about. I've been at the edge of my seat since Monday for the conversation. Oh, man. Listen, Gang, Gang is here. Maul, you had already told me you had a list of questions for... No, I just want to talk to the ladies. I'm sorry. Just coming out of Valentine's Day.

I want to get everybody's post-valentine's energy is all on here. Right? I want to see what Zip did for Valentine's Day. See if any woman took care of him for Valentine's Day. I would hope so. Yeah, hopefully a woman took care of Zip and brought him nothing but chocolate and flowers. Sit back there laughing.

So I don't think he got shit. Nah, no, don't do that to zip. Zip got some flowers on Valentine's Day. We're not doing that. All right, well, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. Dumb that nigga.

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