New Rory & MAL - Episode 460 | I'm a Caveman

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Mal is back… thank god. He tells Demaris to stop texting for her homegirls, and asks for a catch up of what he missed last episode. We then get into the Baby Keem album review, as well the review of Spotify’s list of next hip hop leaders. Does T.I. need 50 cent for clout? We discuss this, relationship hall passes + more! All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-foreverSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. We are back. Welcome back to our good brother, Jamil. A good brother. He is back in the tri-state area. We thought we lost him to the south. Man.

Thought we lost him to the snow. I'm saying? They tried to keep me, can't keep a good dude down. But he booked a flight on his boost mobile phone. And he got back. Thanks to boost. Unlimited talk.

You got to be able to talk and text to airlines. Yeah. That's how you were able to. to book the flight when everyone else was scrambling. Whose mobile got me back to M.C. Print that. That's a fact. That's a fact.

Print it. Well, how was your time away? It was great, man. Did the snow hit you? Did the snow hit me? Like where you were at? Nah. It was just, you know, airlines were shut down because of, you know, the weather here.

But it was cool, though. I had a good time with the family, man, you know, got to see the fan for the weekend. Weather was actually decent in Virginia. Actually, Saturday, the day of my nephew's birthday, it was probably the best whether they had in a while. So it kind of worked out perfect. I saw, were you gaming? No, the kids were.

I wasn't sure if you stepped in. I saw some, I saw like the recap. Nah, I can't. Because, you know, you sit down in all these new games. I haven't played mad any years.

I haven't played 2K in you. Like, I wasn't about to have no 10-year-olds beat me and no games talking shit all day. Look like there was a lot of kids there that may or may not have single moms. Did you meet anyone? Did you mingle?

Like, what was your? No, down there. It's all like two family households. I forgot. Yeah. In the South, they do that weird shit. They get married in 19. You know how they do that. High school, sweethearts and shit. It is the South. It's Virginia. It's South from here, but it's not the South. Well, that's what I mean. People from Virginia would be mad at you if you said they weren't from the South. No, they would be mad if you said from Richmond, they would be mad if people from North Carolina and Lower would get mad at you for saying Virginia is the South. But people from

Virginia think they're from the South. Yeah. Technically, the Mason-Dixon line is below Maryland. Exactly. Technically, D.C. is the South if you want to, if you want to go by the constant. They'll be in your DMs cussing you out calling them from the South. Why do people, but why do people get mad at that, though? I don't know. Like, why do you get mad if you say they from the South? Like, why are you mad at that? Like, why are you mad at that?

Like, they're not, they don't, they look at the South like country bumpkins, and they don't think that they're a part of that. Oh, but that's a, that's on them, though. I know. I know some country bumpkins in New Jersey right now. Yeah, that's a fact. From South Jersey? Like, definitely.

That's not just, like, subjective to the South. There's, there's country bumpkins. in the north as well. For sure. Whole Appalachian Mountains is that. Yeah. But, I don't know. If you go by the Civil War,

which we all do. Naturally. Baltimore's in the South. Yeah. Come on, man. I was below the Mason Dixon, baby D. So I was in the South.

Okay. But we're happy to have you back. Thank you, man. Good to see you. How was the energy? Y'all missed me? Yeah, of course we did. Did you miss me, baby D?

Of course. No, you didn't. So I did. How are you telling me who I missed? You ain't called me? That don't mean I ain't miss you. maybe I just wasn't ready to talk. Damn.

Like the rest of them, niggas. Welcome back, Ma. He didn't want to be too overbearing with his love. Maybe I just wasn't ready to talk. I didn't know. I had a word yet. You know what to say yet, baby, need, I saw. He went to chat GBT, he got his words together.

You know what I'm saying? And came up with, I missed you. There's an epidemic of people doing that, and it pisses me off. Doing what? Asking chat GPT to send the text for them. That's crazy. It happens a lot. That's nice.

Chat, GBT, send a text from me? Yeah, like to word out. like, oh, how should I text? But that could only work with a new person, I feel like. Like, if I've been texting you for 10 years and all of a sudden now you sound like the most articulate human being ever, I'm going to know. Like, yeah. Like, you don't, you don't form your thoughts this well.

Yeah, you can't do that too. You can't get that off. I know when you, I know when your home girl's texting for you. Fact. See, that was the original chat. Yeah, I know when your home girl got your phone. I didn't say, Tasha, cut it out. Yeah.

Give her her phone back. You don't even know the word reciprocity. Yeah, like, you'll cut it out. What are you talking about? Like, give her phone back. This ain't her. I already know she's sitting right next to you crying. Like, give her her phone back.

I'll be getting some shit off on my friend's phones. I know. Y'all do. All women have done that before. Nah, say this. Say this. What you mean? Say this.

Yo, say, nah. Tell him this. Give her her phone back, man. Let me curse her out and then watch her stutter. I only like doing it when they're like, when they're talking to a new guy, they'll hit me like, oh, my God, he said this. Like, what should I say? And I get him some fly shit to say back.

I want to hit baby these fly shit. Okay. But if a man. did that, how would you feel? Like, imagine we're getting to know each other and then you find out that first week where I was saying all that flash, you found out a mall was ghost writing for me.

Ew. Yeah, that's gross. Yeah, you're mad. Yeah, there's double standards. You can't ghost text for your homie. Like, don't do that. My home's like, yo, and now a shoddy just hit me. I'm like, I hit her back.

What should I say? What should I say? She asked me what I'm on mom. What should I say? All right. So no, she starts feeling what you're saying? You're going to let me hit? If it's my bars,

I'm just saying if it's my bars, Right and wrong, Rory. No, you'll get your shit up. You'll get your shit off. If it's my boss that got it going and she ready for you to pull up, I'm just saying I should be able to pull up. That's all. I'm not mad at that, especially because I have homeboys that if she was like,

yo, just got out the shower and I passed my phone. They'd be like, yo, type without me, question mark. Like awful shit like that. Without me is funny. Yes, I took a shower without you. People still get that off. Get it off. Like it works?

Like in a sarcastic way, right? I mean, like, they still say that. Oh, I mean, like, they still say that. It ain't working. You might not ever hear from again if you said now. No, but I'm saying, are they saying it in a sarcastic way? No. Making fun of people that do that.

No, people are still saying without me. And they're saying it multiple times. It ain't just a shower. It's, I just went to dinner without me. Everything without, yes, without you. Stop texting my phone. Well, that's just being funny, though. No, they be getting as.

They're being serious. They're being serious. Without me going to dinner without me is crazy. Without me to dinner? You ate without me? It's insane. I just got off work without me. Nah, yeah, I didn't take you to work with me, though.

Yeah. I just, yeah, without me. A huge attribute I like is sharp and sarcastic girls. It would crush me a little bit to find out that her homegirl was the funny one the whole time. Like, that's who was texting. I would feel like, like, kind of like, and if I find that out, I feel like me and your home girl got more in common.

Those are her bars. Those are her bars that I was digging. If you, if everything you texted me was your home girl, like her personality, her wordplay, I like her album. I want to play her album. I don't want to hear your album. Play her album. Give me her music.

That's what I'm like her. I'm going to her show. What time she's going on stage? I don't want to see you no more. And don't let it look better than you. Don't let her be cuter than you. Ma. We just having real talk, baby.

If your girl is cuter to you and her boss is dope, why am I talking to you? Well, this is what separates men and women. What if she's way uglier than the girl? I think I'll just go with the physical approach and the boring personality. Yeah, yeah. Sure.

100%. If she looks worse, then yeah. No, we still riding with you. I'll take the literate. Just give her publishing. Yeah, the one that don't know how to write. Yo, give me her. She's cute.

She got a fatty. And we're back. Sports about Boots Mobile Unlimited. I don't know how to write. My God. I'm literally speechless. That really happened. I cannot believe y'all.

We're joking around. No, you're not. I'm not. I'm going to start saying that. When you see, we're joking, no, you're joking. You cut the line of segregation. Everyone in this room has slept with somebody that had a boring personality but was attracted.

But you're not. 100%. You're not white. somebody with a boring personality. Nah, can't do that. Born personality, can't do that. Or if our wife can't have a boring personality, nine times out of ten, I'm cheating.

So I'm just saying. People don't talk about that. People will be like, she's like, what does she have on me, baby? She's like, I look way better than her. Yeah, but you're boring. She laughed that nigga out of his draws. Yeah.

I'm just saying. She makes me feel good. Nothing like a pretty funny girl. That's the best. And the ones that watch what you watch, like the same show, they into the same type of shit. Would they, would the pretty funny girls be into

that you'll be watching more. Curb? If it's a cute girl to watch, Curb, I'm never leaving you. I'm never leaving you. I'm not leaving your home. I'm never leaving here. Maybe we should copyright this.

Why don't like the dating apps have more like filter options? Like why can't I clip like curb should be something I should put on my tab and I get all the girls that also clicked curb. To me that would be an easier way to find somebody that you like and have the same interest is aside from just swiping right to tities on the bone. Yeah. Like I want to know where all. the chicks that like curb in New York City are.

And I should be able to like select all the men who like the office and get them out my algorithm. I think that's fair too. Get them out. All the things that you dislike. You don't like the office? She's crazy. But what?

What's your favorite show? I'm not a big fan of comedy shows. I'm more of a drama person. But I also just don't think the office is funny. Okay. So what's your favorite show? My favorite show is Grazed Anatomy. RIP, Eric Dane.

RIP, Eric Day. RIPP, Patrice O'Neill for the office. Like, if we're just going to go down this, this rabbit hole. R.P. Patrice O'Neill, another legend. Legends. Not like in a show that has Steve Carell and Patrice O'Neill in it. It's kind of nuts to me. You know, the office is classic, baby.

I admit that it's a classic. It's just not for me. I respect that because we're going to get into some music that's maybe classic, but it's just not. Well, while you were going to get into it, we're just going to get into it. Demaris and I held it down. Pige, I'm back. Pige, what's up, baby? You good?

All right then. It's not how to make sure P is good. We covered the Monday topics, but we did leave one specific. What was the Monday topics? I'll run it down real quick. What did you talk about? What? You didn't listen to the episode?

Baby D. What did you talk about Monday? Rory was really talking to me about a lot of rap. I really wish we were here. Yeah, we did a lot of the on the radar, cipher stuff. See, that's the C, baby D. When you leave him alone with women, that's what he. He started talking about rap.

I know. You can't do that to baby D. She don't want to talk about rap like that. I mean, that's all that was on the docket. Did you have to talk about the docket? Did you delete? Did you delete all this stuff from that? No, I don't know how it's gone, though.

But I didn't delete it. It's all right. Don't worry about it. Yeah. We talked about Simba calling the game, his big homie, even though the game tried to fuck his babe mom. Wait, what? Wait, did I have Wi-Fi in Virginia?

The game tried to do what? He tried to sleep. So Simba was on all the smoke or up in smoke, my bad. Their podcast and was saying that game slid into his baby mother's DMs. And games, they're very close. They worked together a bunch of times. They are close collaborators. Then he went on his own stream to clear up that when he was in his whole phase,

every time he would come to the studio, he would bring another girl and be like, Yo, Game, this is my queen. This is my girl. And Game started to be like, bro, none of these chicks are you. You bring a new girl in here and say it's your girlfriend every time. So he brought his baby mother in there who he's with. Yes.

And said the same thing. So Game assumed just off the pattern that that was not his girl. But Simba said he posted her. He posted her. he posted her in the moment he posted her game went and followed her he didn't post the other ones he posted her and then game went it's nasty it's nasty that's nasty that's nasty that's nasty but that's game like nah nah nah no no we're not that ain't your big home that ain't your big home no it's definitely not your big home no that's nasty following your girl soon as i post her he followed her and deemned her yeah mm-hmm game that's nasty

No, super nasty. That's nasty. That is so fucking crazy. You know, nah, y'all don't understand how crazy I do. I said that. How much time did you just spend on that topic? A good amount because Damaris went on and said that she's my big homie.

And I said, that makes sense because you and Mall have moved just like game with me before. He bought up the situation with the wine with my birthday dinner. You know him. I showed him the Epstein files. I gave him the files. I'm not in there doing no crazy shit. Like, but we don't understand. he's still on. Hey. Maybe Game just wanted to DM her and say,

congrats. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's crazy. That's wild as fuck. You not as much. She, that's J-C-on-Demaris. We talked about it already, but yes, Ma'am, that's what we talked about. So, I wish you were here for that conversation, because I know you would have been on my side. Now, game is wild for that. That's crazy. But I, so what? So Simba, like, because you can't just laugh that off. That ain't an L-O-L. He said he called game and was like, nah, bro, this really like my girl. And games is like, oh, word, my bad. Wait, but then he introduced her like that? Like when he brought it to the studio, it's my baby mom.

We're talking about his baby mother? She will, I don't think she was his baby. Yeah, I don't know. She was his baby mother. But he posted her. He posted her. He did the girlfriend review. Yeah.

And the game popped in her. Two days later. Yeah, if he posted, that's like, yo, it's stint. Yo, this is my lady. I think it's nasty without the posting, like, which we talked about in detail. Nah, you can't say that. You can't say that. You can't say that.

It's nasty without. If a dude post a girl on his page, like, yo, this is why you feel with a happy birthday to my queen. I don't know what the caption was when Simba posted her, but it would be clear that that's his, the girl, the lady he's with. That's his woman, right? I'm assuming that that's I'm saying, I think it's nasty. If I brought a girl in here and one of y'all DM to her, I would find that nasty. So I don't, without me, if she wasn't your girl? Yeah, if she's not my girl, yeah, we've had these types of this guy. I think that's weird. You know, I don't want to sleep with any of the people that you got to sleep here. If it's not your guest's a rental car.

Oh my God But you've agreed with me a million times That we just Even though it's not foul Just I don't want to sleep with the same women My friends sleep with I just don't know You're right while you're currently with her

Nah I'm not doing that If I know you currently like dating her smashing But I know that ain't your girl We're just having fun with it Oh no that's you That's your ball But if you throw that ball over the fence And I just happen to be jogging in the same part

If you roof it If you roof that ball I just happen to go I have access to that roof And I go to like oh this is a nice ball You think I'm not going to bounce the ball? Like, I'm going to dribble the ball. Like, you see a basketball in the park just laying there.

You're going to dribble the ball. Yeah, but if it's a pattern to me that's odd. No, if it's a pattern, yes. Now I want to ask, like, you want to fuck me or something? Why you always go after that? That's what it always turned. That's why what game did was. He want to taste you.

Wait. Hold on. He keeps eating shorty pussy after you fucking want to taste you. Hold on. Hold on a second, baby. I don't like that. Just don't even say that in this atmosphere. No.

Yeah. It's nasty. Well, yes. That's what we discussed on Monday amongst the on the radar freestyle rap shit. Yeah. It was a dry pussy episode. I'll tell you that much. All right.

You scared the women away. 100%. But we did want to save the Baby Keene Casino album. Yes. For when you got back, we did not touch upon that. I was hoping you saved that for me, man. I was hoping you saved that, Roy. I was hoping because you're my guy.

You know you my guy. And I assumed why I wanted to because I knew you were going to come in here and you and I could both sit here and. praise this baby Kim album casino, which I absolutely love. And I love when we both agree and praise hip hop together. Yes. So you say, okay, baby then, my bubble, right? In my zone?

The zone that we own? That has no replay value. Zone, zone. I'm just saying in my zone, the replay value on that is very low. So I'm going to ask you why. I'm going to ask you why because they're going to say that you're being biased because of whatever. So I'm going to ask you. Being biased because of what?

Just I'm going to ask you why. Why? I can't just not like an album. No, you can. But why don't you like it? You can. And someone that knows you, I believe, that you, you dislike this album because you dislike it, not because of who he's signed to affiliated with and at family reunions with.

Y'all be, see, people just saying way too deep into shit. I don't even think that. Welcome to the internet. Yeah. I know you don't dislike it because of that, but the world is going to assume that. That's why we want to know why you dislike it. The production is good. It's great.

The production is good on the album. The bars don't hold up well to the production. See, that's where. I disagree. I think Keem coming off. I'll give a review. I'm, I give him. I'll give him mine. Oh, I thought we're having a discussion. My back on? No, we're not. Shut up. All right. So, Jesus. He went to Virginia and got sassy as fuck. I'm just saying,

you shut up. The production is good. He definitely lost in madden. The production is good. The bars is, it's too, it's too elementary for me. I don't like his tonality. I don't like the way he say shit. I can't, I'm a caveman. Boo, boo, boo. What is that? I can't, I can't replay that. I'm done New York. I'm just saying, I don't want to keep listening to that is all I'm saying. I just, that's just not for me.

The production, the production on some of the records is hard. But then he come in and rapping and it's like, I can't, that, I just don't like the way he says things. Like, and I don't like, he said, I'm a rich snigger that got a broken phone. When you take it off the beat and just say it that way. That was a cadence. I know, but I'm a rich snick and I got a broken phone. I'm like, bro, bro, what are we talking about here?

And why are you saying it like that? There's so many cooler ways you could have said you were a rich nigger with a broke phone. Because niggas have said it before. So it's not like you said you broke, you created like fire when you said that. Like, niggas have said that same type of bar before, but it sounds cool. I just don't like the way he says shit. Like the production, cool. But like to me, this album ain't better than a lot of albums that we just got. And you were saying, he said, where we said it, there's a lot of, it was a lot of anticipation on this project. He was saying he got it. I don't think he did. I don't think this holds up to some of the albums we got in the last year and a half. I don't

this is better than J.I.D.'s album. I don't think it's better than Wale's album. I don't think it's better than Conway's album. I don't think it's better than Chance to Rapids album. I don't think it's fair to compare him to any of those people. Yes, I do. They're rappers. Other than other than other. Those are his peers. No, no, no. J.I.D. is his peer. The ID is his peer. The rest of the people are not his peers. Waleh, Jay Cole are not his peers. They're definitely not his peers. They're not his peers, though. Jit is his peer, yeah. Is chance to rapper his peer? Hell no. Chance been in the game 15 years. Like, no. Okay, so y'all say him because he's been in the game longer. All right, I'm just talking my music, just the type of music, the quality music, the replay value in the music. I don't care about how old the nigga is, where he was born,

when he was born. I don't care about that. The music, the listening experience, to me, me, this music does not stand next to any of the other music I just named. It just doesn't. I don't like the, I don't like the rap. Like I said, the production is strong on some of the records. But he just didn't live up to the production. Like the production outperformed him 80% of the album. But, okay, I know you're nitpicking on certain bars, which I know you're just using as an example to say overall his flow and how he says stuff. But like, you can't listen to I'm not a lyricist or Highway 95 part two and like not see the. lyrical ability and the content and substance that is in all that?

I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I think he's improved as a rapper times 10 since his last project. I thought he was rapping on this shit. Well, okay, that's you. We can listen, we can watch the same movie and have different. Those two specific records that were a bit deeper to his story. But he, I don't, but I'm not going back. That's like very difficult.

I don't know a lot of rappers that could do, I'm not a lyricist or Highway 95 the way he did it, especially on the production that he, did. What do you mean? You don't know a lot of rappers that could do that. You're talking about his peer group. I don't know many.

Who's his peer? Because y'all, this is your favorite word for the day. Peer. Who's his peer? You bought peers up, baby. Yeah, not us. Okay, but who's his peers? Because y'all's his peers.

Because y'all's his peers. Jid being one. All right. Jid can do exactly. Jig could do that way better. Oh, Jid, no. Jid can definitely wrap. Who else is his peer?

I think Kean would say Jid could rap better than him. So who's his other peer? Who would fall in that line. There's not, there's not many. He don't know. We said, we had that conversation all the time, though, that there's not many people in that bracket of rapping in his age group. There's not many of them. That rap the type of way that.

Like, I would say some of the people that were in the, on the radar cipher, but even them, I feel like are. A tier below. Not tier below, just based on when they came out. Because Keem's been out for a little bit. I'm trying to think of that. When was his last project? But 2021? I don't know.

Yeah. that graduating class, there isn't much. So now this nigga graduated by itself. All right. So what I'm saying is... Some people are homeschooled. So what I'm saying is the replay value in the music to me, nothing on this makes me want to go back and keep listening to this album.

And that's where we just... I'm cool. I can go back and listen to ballet. I can go back and listen to some of the J-Co. I can go back and listen to Jid. I can go back and listen to Conway. I can go back and listen to Chants. Like this and just in the replay value.

I'm not saying Baby Kim don't have skill. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent. not saying that. I'm just saying when you give me your album and say this is my album and I listen to it, my reaction is, it's not,

I don't, nothing about this album, like, no, I ain't gonna lie, I can't wait to get in the whip and turn this on. Oh, see, that's where we,

it might not be for you. That's where we can't. And that's fine. I'm only speaking from my listening experience. Nothing on this album to help me to, I'm like,

damn, I ain't going to lie, I can't wait to turn that. I just don't, it doesn't live with me. This music doesn't live with me. I listen to this in the car and in headphones on the train. No security, casino, house money, sex appeal,

circus, circus freestyle, all go crazy in the car. Matter of fact, I think those are made for the car. What's the bars that got you replaying the music? That you're like, damn, I ain't going to lie. Oh, as far as the bars go, you know, I'm more of a content substance guy. So bars-wise, I go to I'm not a lyricist, highway 95, no blame. But what's the bar, though, that got you like, damn, he got off? I didn't write down my favorite bone

We've never even done that for an album Like got you That's not okay See I don't like that You've never done that Can I name the ball? That made me turn it off I'm not gonna make

I'm not gonna let you do that Because we do that when new music comes out One of the first things we do is be like Yo when they said I felt that I'm saying when Maher's done an album review When he said I'm a caveman boohoo I ain't want to listen to that again

I'm being dead serious I didn't want to listen to that I'm like, when he says she got sex appeal because she likes sex and pills, I'm cool. I'm just cool. All right. Then let's, I'm just saying I'm cool. Let's pull up every rapper's full dysography and see if there's worse things than she got sex appeal because she likes sex and pills. There's nothing wrong with that.

That's not a bad bar. To you. Okay. To you. That's not a bad bar. And that's fun. Have you liked worse bars than that? I'm not challenging.

Have you liked worse bars than that? I'm going to stick to our rule today. but I just want to admit that you've liked worse bars than that. To you it might be a worst bar than that. I'm just saying. There's plenty of worse bars now that I've liked. But why are you challenging my listening experience? I'm not challenging yours.

I'm just asking what bars did you like that made you want to keep a... The entire, I'm not a lyricist's story, the entire highway 95 part two story. Like, those entire records to me. Okay, so... Okay, so... Keem has to be fab. I have to find hip-hap quotables in the source for everything that he says. Listen, no, nobody's saying that.

You just said that. Nobody else in here said that. No, no. You're asking which bars. Not everything is a Big L freestyle. Nobody said it had to be. I'm just saying what part of the music made you want to be like, y'all can't wait to get in the joint and turn this on? I literally.

You said, we record this. I'm not the lyricist. I'm not a lyricist. No, no, those are the lyric records that I like. But I said, get in the car. I'm playing casino. I'm playing house money. I'm playing circus, circus freestyle.

Matter of fact, the worst verse on this album is from Kendrick Lamar. Okay. If we being real? Okay. I like hearing your listening experience. I'm not challenging here, bro. I just want to know what you heard and what you felt when you turn this out. And that's not trying to go viral or some crazy clip it, even though I know Pee's just

clipped it and make sure you clip this part too. I'm saying in defense of Keene's lyricism on here, I think his big cousin, who's one of the greatest rappers of all time, had the worst verse on the album. I don't know. I'm not a caveman boo-hoo. It was kind of crazy. Ma's been Ma's so funny

I'm just saying that bar is kind of crazy I couldn't believe he said that I was like all right they was in the studio just doing anything like these niggas

was in there having a jam boy like all right fucking let it fly I would have been like man if I'm an engineer though we can't do that this production is way too tough like what we doing here

we're saying that nah I enjoyed the album for what it was I what do that mean what it was for what I enjoyed it for what it was

so I can acknowledge that I think that Baby Kim has some talent, but I agree with a lot of what you said as far as the bars. I don't like the tonality and the voices in that. I've said that about other rappers. He's not the only one. So going along with that theme, it's not for me.

I can, like you said, the production was hard. I can acknowledge why this might be for some people and some people might really like it. I don't think what he, I don't think his rapping on this album was the craziest rapping in the world, but it wasn't bad at all. I can acknowledge his talent, but I won't be going to

revisit it that much. There are a couple of songs I know that I like, but it won't be something that I'll play, I'll repeat. And that's all I'm saying, the listening experience. Like, I'm not going to cut this all. I'm not going to cut off Wiley Almond to listen to Baby Kim album. I'm not going to cut off chance album to listen to Baby. Like, whose album I'm going to like, shit, I enjoyed Alchemist Larry June and currency hour more than this. That's okay. I mean, I wouldn't never argue if somebody said that. Now, some people may feel like Keem rap better than. currency and Larry June.

I heard niggins say Larry June sound like he leaving voicemails. Cool. That's what, no, no, no. Listen, if y'all, if y'all going to say that about Larry, what do Keem sound like? If y'all going to say that about Larry June music, what does baby Keem sound like? I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I've seen shit on live.

See, niggins saying, yo, he sounds all this shit. All this shit. All right. But what does Keem sound like? Because I can't listen to that. He definitely sounds like his older cousin. He sounds very young, too. He sounds like, he says, hey, he has a.

very young voice. I just can't listen again I recognize the talent level I recognize the skill set in King I'm not saying he's not talented I just can't to read that music I just I'm not going to go back to that music I just can't like I don't know what I'm going to stop listening to to play this album like I guess no I hear you and I would never argue that point on your taste and what you want to listen to I guess the expectations of a lyricist when you're talking about people like wale and enchance the rapper like I guess I I never in my brain would I put Keem as a lyricist to chance and Waleh. Like that's so unfair.

No, I get what you're saying. Like, Kim, even if the last interview that Kendrick did, he was like, Keem was making amazing beats. Like, we didn't even really want to take him that seriously as a rapper. Everyone was rapping, and he ended up getting better at it. He was a producer and songmaker before he ever started. That makes sense. Keem's not like a- See, I can hear that.

He makes records. And, but I think on this album, he actually really stepped up his lyrics. in the songs that I mentioned, like I'm not a lyricist. I think he got to step up a little more. Okay. I think he got to, I think the bars have to match the music a little more. I think they complimented the production very well. Okay.

I wasn't, I wasn't looking for what Wale or Chance would have sounded on these beats. Neither was I. I'm just saying, like, we only have so much time in a day to listen to music. It's 36 minutes. We get a lot of music. I'm not taking 36 minutes out of my day to play this album again. I can be listening to a whole bunch of other. We still got R&B.

We still got Don Tolliver to listen to. Album is phenomenal. We still got We got Rocky. We got Cole. That Rocky album is still in rotation. It's just a bunch of people like, where does this go?

Where do you say, all right, cool. Now it's time to throw that chemo. But there's some people who, and I'm not saying they have bad music taste. There's some people who would throw this album on and never throw on ASEAP Rocky. No, that's a fact.

They wouldn't be able to get through ASTRRU. And those are people that I never. want to be in the same room with. Well, to me, this Keem album, I enjoy the A-Sap Rocky album far more, but I would put this more in the ASAP category than I would with a chance or Waleigh album.

This is way closer to the ASAP album. Okay, okay. That makes sense. Way closer. I mean, ASAP is ASAP, so it's a different level. Does ASAP for how long he's better? Is ASAP rap better than Keene? Yeah.

So where we're saying? So where are we playing Keene at, though? because Rocky has been in you for 20 years. He's his peer. I get he's 10 years older than him. All right. So where are we putting Kim at? We're not naming his.

Jid. We know Jid is rapping Dr. Strange circles around this nigga. I'm sorry. You're really funny today. I'm just saying, like we're being honest. Like, we know Jid is on a whole other thing. Like when it comes to bars and music.

Like, he ain't even, you know what I'm saying? So my thing is, where does, where does Keem live in our lives as far as the music? He's in that weird limbo where there's, a lot of talented rappers a little bit younger than him and then a bunch older than him. Like he said he graduated by himself. Yeah, he is kind of in a weird class. Okay. So my thing is there's so much music that we have access to, right? You have to, your music has to be able to break through all of that other great music. Does this music, does these bars break through that music? I think so. Where? You're saying music. I think

it's a good, musically, it's a great out. But I'm saying, who will you? you turning, who are you not listening to to listen to Baby Keem's album? As from this year? Yeah. I have enough time in the day while I'm doing things to play more than one album. I never, all right, okay. I respect your, I respect your bubble, though.

I'm gonna, why are you looking around? I'm respect your bubble. Demaris, that was a cop-out answer? I respect your bubble. I respect your bubble. And your bubble, if you got room for Baby Keem for the, for the, uh, I definitely do. I definitely do.

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I guess we could say that these are Keem's peers, even though I think there's still some gaps there. But this list, yes. You know what? I will say this is Keem's peers. Baby Keem, Glorilla, Dochi, Central C, sexy red, Rod Wave.

Little Tech has been out for almost 12 years. And Big X, the plug. Yeah, okay, this could be Keen Spears. And for those that don't know, we're talking about Spotify, rap caviar, put up billboards in all these artists' cities saying hip hop needs new leaders. They put out this cryptic trailer saying who's going to be the next leader, this and that. All for reasons we don't really know.

They just told us about a bunch of artists that we already know about. So I'm not sure what they're trying to do with this campaign. This is hip hop's new leaders are caught in the Spotify? They're questioning. I don't see a question mark. No, literally the billboards were, hip hop needs a new leader's question mark or some shit. Oh, so these are the names that they're putting in the conversation. Yes, and they put billboards in each city for the artists that they picked.

Like, Amy Keem, they put a billboard in Vegas, Glorilla, Memphis, Dochi, Tampa, Central City, London, and so on. Well, shout out to all of these artists for getting up. a billboard in their cities. That's dope. That's fire. But now, hip hop needs new leaders. They're not wrong.

Same conversation we've had. Hip does need new leaders, right? I guess. If you want to, cool, that's a cool little slogan, I guess. It made me want to go watch the trailer.

I don't know. Sounds like a Batman movie. Gotham needs a hero. Yeah. Hero that we don't deserve. We know that thing. Who's Harvey Dent? Sexy Red?

But then when you start putting these people on hip-hop needs new leader conversate. Like, come on, bro. What are we talking about? I respect sexy red and all. I respect all the hustle to ground. I respect Dochi.

I respect, but like, really? Okay, tell me, tell me. Who don't you agree with? Who should be in that list that isn't then? If we're going off the graduating peer class that we were just talking about. Don't say Travis Scott. He's legacy. Yeah, I don't know, man.

If this is the, if this is the, the bunch of pictures. from, we're in a bad spot. I would love for Jid to be in this conversation. For sure. Yeah, but Jop said he's not a peer. No, I think he's Keem's peer. We said that.

Oh, so then did. So then Jid. I think Jib 100% should be in there. Yeah. Then he just get nominated for a rap album to you? Yeah. Jid. And what city is Jiv from again? He's from Atlanta.

Atlanta. My thing is, and it pains my heart. And there's no disrespect to Loteca. please let me know if I'm wrong. Does Little Teca belong in this list? That's where you went to Little Tecker? Yeah. Okay.

It's coming from Spotify. I'm not saying Little Teca doesn't do billions of streams. But every single artist on here has been extremely, extremely, extremely relevant for the last few years. Rod Wave, I can understand. He does arenas. Yeah, I can understand Rod Wave. Big X-Ex-the-plug streams more than fucking

I can understand Central Street. Prince at this point. So it's sexy red and little teca you got the problem with? I have no problem with sexy red. I was talking about... I just don't know when you say hip-hop.

I just don't know if if they belong. I don't know. Are you one of the people that believe that there's a difference between hip-hop and rap? No, rap is a part of hip-hop. Hip-hip-hop is the whole...

The whole... Hip-hop is a part of hip-hop culture. The culture. The culture. Rap is a part of hip-hip. Okay. Hey, I don't know, man. Listen, man, I'm sure all of these artists, I don't know what they do, what they monthly listens and all of that, with their numbers.

I don't really care about numbers like that. I'm just going off the music and how the music sounds and the listening experience. And if I keep the replay value in the music, that's more so what I go to. Just being honest, I don't listen to a lot of these artists like that. I don't. Not when you have better artists dropping music. I'm just saying. I just.

Yeah, but it's coming from Spotify that, like, when we joke around, like, why do they even do the Billboard Awards? Like, we know, we know the results. Spotify, coming from Spotify, I don't think this is a bad list, to be quite honest. They could probably make a case that Jid doesn't stream the way all these people do, so he shouldn't be in our Spotify list. I just look at Don Tolliver. They have him classified as hip-hop rap. He needs to be on this list. If Rod Wave is on there, Don Tolliver.

Don Tolliver needs to be on this list. Like, all right, what are we doing? That's a fair point. Don Tolliver's, yeah, classifying him as hip hop rap. Okay, cool. Hip hop needs new leaders, cool. Don Tolliver has a better album than any of these artists that are up here right now. Currently, that Octane album is better than anybody up here's album.

Well, I'm sure this campaign was before the album came out. But even before it was. I agree with you. Even before. His last, okay, his last two albums. I agree with you. If you put Rod Wave there, then there's no reason Don Tolliver shouldn't be this. I love how much you advocate for Don Tolliver.

That nigga is... Don Tolover is fire. That nigga is... He's insanely talented. Like, I'm talking about live show, albums, the replay of value on his music, like, all of that shit. Like, I just don't...

If you're going to make a rap, caviar, hip-hop needs new leaders. Don Tolliver is up there. He has better music than 90% of this list right here. So you guys are saying that Don Tolover and J.I.D. are missing on this. Yeah. If we're talking about hip-hop needs new league, Don Tolliver, I'm sure he does crazy numbers.

Stage show incredible. Yeah, he's a new leader. If you're not look for new leaders, Don Tyler should be on this list. Octane is one of the best albums of the years so far. I'm not mad at that. Does Cash Cobain maybe represent New York a little bit better with the last few years? I wouldn't be surprised if Lil Tech had higher streams.

Yeah. Again, I don't want to disrespect. little tech. I'm just not I don't follow that much. You're not familiar with his game? I am, but he's been out forever. Shit, I just started listening to Rod Wave. They sent me his,

his play. Right, wave is, it's talent. It's not for me, but I recognize the time. If you were showing me this list last year, I would have been lost. I don't know, I understand Rod does arenas. He sells out shows. I get that.

I know he has a huge following. I didn't just didn't tap into his music. But now I have to listen to his music. It makes sense to me. Like, okay, I get it. I understand it. But, I mean, even I get the, I get the,

the campaign here, but like what is the exact goal? Is this more label driven with Spotify that now we're going to start that conversation with these names specifically? Because there's not anyone here that doesn't have a very big machine behind them that also has stocked in Spotify. Like that's where I'm not sure what the point of this campaign was because I saw some people saying, oh, there's going to be a voting thing on Spotify where you could vote who's going to be the new leader of hip hop. But what does that really solve at the end of the day. It's, well, I mean, it's marketing for Spotify.

It's for rap caviar, which is the fucking playlist. Of course. Which they're going to send everybody to. Like, it's, it's just rap caviar's budget. I'm not mad at it. It just feels like a lazy boardroom campaign. It just doesn't feel that creative to me at all, that you're just throwing the names that everyone knows up on a billboard.

But not every, but not everybody knows the names. And I think sometimes we speak from a place where we're a hip hop podcast and we're very tapped into certain shit. Artists can be big, but not everybody knows these people. I mean, rap caviar you would say is the biggest hip-hop playlist in the world. Yes, it would be. But it doesn't mean that everybody knows these names, hence the advertising for both the artists and rap caviar. Yeah, I mean, listen, we're talking about it.

Complex that put up an article and actually picked a lot of great tweets in reply to this entire campaign. because it did confuse a lot of people. My guy Z, founder of Audio Mac, who's one of the best follows on Twitter. So the old superstar era is over. Your Spotify, you should understand this. Our fragment of media landscape makes reaching the level of artists you mentioned impossible.

Dan, I'm not going to try to pronounce your last name. This is Rapp's NBA, face of the league debate. Similar dynamic to 2000s and 2010 stars are still the biggest. It's not because of the talent. it's because how fragmented media is. No, that's the talent, too. And that's where... I hate when they're trying to throw that in.

No, it's the talent. It's the talent. It's the talent. It's the talent, bro. Like, we're not doing that. It's the talent. It's the lack of talent. The NBA is suffering right now because a lot of these niggas,

all they want to do is shoot threes. And have kids. And it's the lack of talent. It's just the lack of talent. Let's be real. Like, music is lacking talent right now. Oh, I mean, I agree. And, but I don't even understand

because Z, I respect his opinion so much. I don't know where this is really falling on media per se. Why would media be responsible for that? When on top of that, I consider rap caviar doing this almost media. It's advertising in media. You're putting a list together for people to talk about of young artists. Yeah, don't blame this on media. Don't go to some media lab.

Like, what Gay P just did. Like, I don't know where media falls on that. Maybe Spotify does because playlisting is such a big part of how music is put in front of the average consumer. Media is not so much that anymore in all phases of media. So are they blaming us for not reporting on the people with real talent? Here's the thing. Before streaming, you add the blog. and iTunes, where the labels shunned the blogs until it was too late and they had to work with

them, media was doing its job for discovery. Then you guys created streaming because you guys wanted to control the discovery where media could no longer do that. Yes, some of us have some power to mention an artist and it will do okay for them. But even media has so many different pockets of fans that if we say we like somebody, it only goes to a certain group. If platforms way bigger than us, say somebody's name, it only goes to a certain group. You guys are controlling the discovery now. What the fuck does media have to do with this? You guys changed the game.

And these are people that are anti-label that are saying this, which is why it's blowing my mind. You made it so discovery can only come from you guys. You control discovery now. You control the algorithms. There's no more SoundCloud rabbit hole. There's no more fun blogs. The shit that is even in the algorithm. what we do on media only goes to the bullshit when you throw it out there.

Yeah, this ain't on. This ain't on. This ain't on media. This ain't on media. I don't care how fragmented media is. This is bigger than Nino Brown. This ain't, this ain't media. This is the lack of talent.

And I get it. These are certain names and artists that I guess, you know, have like, Rorschet has a machine behind them and they're trying to push. I get that. But we've seen a lot of niggas that y'all thought was the new leaders and was the new this and the new that and then tours get canceled. But that doesn't. mean that's exactly what that means niggas ain't paying to come to you that means you ain't hot think but you can be talented and not be hot that happens true true you can be hot and not be talented

but a niggas niggas ain't paying to come see you though niggas a niggas a niggas a stream some shit and listen to it and they crib like oh that song was cool yeah all right cool yo pay this money and then get dressed and drive to the arena go i'm not doing all that live show is not dope not spending money to watch you walk back and forth on stage. Like, no, I'm not doing that. The music is not that dope. I'd like to see them do a list like this for R&B. I would be interested.

Same? Oh, we know who the new leaders of R&B are. Who are the new leaders of R&B, in your opinion? Mariah the scientists. Mariah the scientists. There's no need to be funny. Maul, who do you think are the new leaders? Leon, obviously.

I feel like there's another album that just came out that was the... Oh, Brent. Okay. Like Mariah. Okay. But if we're going off this time frame, is Brent involved in that? And I mean to cut you all, I just don't know Brent's in that timeline. Brent has been out since 20.

How long as Little Tech had been out? That's why he's the only one on that list that I feel like. I mean, Dochey had a bunch of mixtapes before, but she's now just hit her strides. She's been out for years too, though. She's been releasing music for you. But I'm always fine with new artists when they released their, first actual project and start to hit their stride. If they had 30 mixtapes and we never heard them, I don't consider them like, well, yo, they were in their mom's basement 15 years ago making

music. So they can't be, I don't look at it that way. I look at it more when you start to catch your stride. I like Saylor. Love her. She's dope. Okay. You think Sailor would be a leader in R&B? Looking at this list, yes. Her album was crazy. The last project she just put out was fire. Okay. And she's on tour with Doja. Yeah. She, yes. Yes. I would definitely put sale up here. Yes. Why not? Let's argue.

I mean, then just does Daniel Caesar fall in this? I just don't know the time frame we're going with. Daniel Caesar would not fall in. Okay. Yeah. Like, yeah. 10 years in and become a leader. We got to get PJ. Mike. Peach said you could be 10 years in and

not be a leader. Like. and become a leader. I'm sorry. Yeah. So yeah. Seller, Leon, Brent. Kayloni. Kailani, unfortunately. But Kaylani has been out since I was in college. I know that. But I mean, she just had one of the biggest songs for the year. I was going to say, Kailani included, they would say that she's just now hitting her stride to the mess. No, that's not the way I'm saying it with Dochi, where there was mixtapes that people had not heard. And then she was really introduced to the world. Kailani has had hit records.

It's number one albums. Yeah, did Folded put her in a crazy. My leader, though. New leader. Has she ever led R&B? No, she's never led R&B. So let's put her in the conversation. A list there.

Let's put it on in the conversation of new leaders of R&B. Okay, well, then I changed the rap one drastically. Yeah. You keep trying to say, yo, what year he was born? No, I'm talking about when they came out. Like, what year he was born? Yeah, but that don't mean they was ever leader, though. Now they're making consistent great music, consistent great songs.

They're getting dope features. Like now they're becoming in that conversation of, okay, he's leading the pack or she's leading the pack now. Okay. So then is Freddie Gibbs not in the rap conversation if we're going off that criteria? I'm not mad at that. But that's nuts to be because Gibbs has had records like. Of course he has. But was he ever considered one of the leaders of rap, of hip-hop?

No. It can get me. Then I don't even understand new leaders. Then I don't understand the campaign. New leaders. New leaders. Who are the old leaders? You're saying Drake, Kendrick and Cole have had it for 10 years.

All right. New leaders. The clips have had hit records, great albums, but last year they led hip-hop. I think it's the first time the clips ever led hip-hop. Are the clips the new leaders? That's not the first time the clips. I mean, I get what you're-

the first time the clips have led hip-hop. We're far away from each other. Okay, it's fine. I can hear you. I can hear you. You know you had a mic like right in front of you should hear you. Like, he, I've been yelling all episode, Ma. I don't know what's wrong with him.

You know he gets, whenever Keem dropped, this is how he start acting. As soon as Keem dropped, he turned us a whole new dude, man. He's going crazy. What's wrong with you, man? I do want to give a shout out to when it comes to R&B, new leaders up and coming. I do want to give a shout out to Jay Don. He's a young boy. He can like, he's like, he makes the type of music that I would have liked back when I was at high school.

He reminds me of like, you know, the old Chris Brown, the old. Jay Don? Yeah, Jay Don. Is that the tall? Yes, tall with the braids? that he dance Uh-huh His music is good

I call him R&B Wimby I like him He's like R&B Wimby Yama Look what you call people He's too tall to be moving like that Sit down for him See that's not fair

Because y'all niggas don't say that About Chris Brown big ass You know how tall his kid is He's way tall and a kid Now I gotta look it up He's way tall and Chris Brown Nobody thinks Chris Brown and Wemby Are close to each other

Like this dude is like 6 He's like 6 6 6 He's like 6 6 Oh well while you look that up Someone else did bring a good point since we're back to the rap part of this. A lot of the next up or new leaders died.

Mac Miller, Tenetatio, Juice World, Nipsey, Pop Smoke. Takeoff was already part of one of the greatest hip-hop groups of all time. This list right here, they were all on their way. They had the trajectory of becoming the next. They were on pace, yeah. Mac for sure, Tentatioon for sure, Juice War for sure, Nipsey, pops, smoke.

yeah like yeah I thought that was a great and unfortunate point very true to circle back though j don is 6-5 ma'all you right I know I'm right I've seen that they're on stage some slacks on one day he starts spinning I said man this tall nigga got to sit down man don't do that he makes nice innocent

no I'm not so he's talented but that's like bro you fam how are you that tall and can dance like that that shit just is crazy let's like if you go to the club and the fucking shooting guard from the Knicks like if Josh Hart just start there You sit your tall ass You're way too tall for that, bro you can't be in here

No one moves and having rhythm at 6, 5, 6, 6, 6.6? Like, sit down. He only 4 inches taller than Chris Morrow. Naga, you stand a 6'5 dude next to a 6'1 dude to see the difference. A huge difference. Without a doubt. We would say that breakfast club

is probably one of the bigger platforms that's existed in the last however many years, right? Mm-hmm. And just in your own brain, think of the biggest platforms ever. if somebody does an interview with any of those platforms, do you think their streams go up the same way if they're placed on every single playlist in their genre

and made the face of that playlist? No. No. So please leave media alone. We're fragmented. Please leave media alone. Fragmented media. Is there a bunch of bullshit media out here?

Absolutely. But how this is set up, we don't make or break shit. Y'all took over discovery. I want to get this shit again. This is what I love about. See, this is I love music conversations because we all get to kind of see what everybody likes, what their opinion is, like what you be listening to. See, I think it's room for everybody. I just think that the talent level is sometimes, you know, we got to stop acting like the talent level is high because it's really not.

It's a lot of people that we listen to and we only listen to them because it ain't shit else really to listen to unless we go find somebody that we like that the rap caviars are not putting on. playlist and that the blogs are not talking about or that's not heavy in the algorithm, but we found this kid like, yo, it shit is dope. So you get these lists and it's like, I don't listen to a lot of these people on this list. Now they're on a rap, caviar, billboard in different cities. Cool, that's great. Me personally, I still do not listen to 90% of these artists. That could be an age thing as well.

Yeah. They would say that. Age or not. I just don't think that. Because it could be a kid that was 19, but if he rapping his ass off and his bars is crazy, I'm listening to them. So it's not the age difference. The talent is like, yo, what is this?

I don't even understand. But what you look at as talent is different from people that are younger than you. That's why I say. But that's why I said I like these conversations because you might hear something and be like, this is incredible. And I might look at you like, how do you think this is incredible music? But to you, it's incredible. Which is fine. And I'm learning that.

Like, if you like something, that don't mean I got like it because you like it or get mad because I don't like it. It's just a different experience. You enjoyed what you heard. But I experienced that with older people with my, like Roy brought up my obsession with Mariah to scientists, but I experienced that because older people or other people who are really big

into, back in the day, R&B you still be all about the vocals, right? So you can hear an artist and be like, she can't fucking sing. How do you listen to that? It's like, I'm not listening for that. So what you are looking at as talent when it comes to vocals, I'm not even checking for that. I'm over here paying attention to what the fuck she's saying. Yeah, but then you'll still get cool. And that's,

I understand that. But you can have a Mariah scientists, right? Cool. like her songs, the way she write, you know, it's very cool. But then if I put Jasmine Sullivan next to that, and like this is an R&B artist too, it's a clear difference in the talent is what I'm saying. But that's the age gap to me because I think the kids that pack out arenas for Rod Wave are not there for his vocal ability nor care about it.

They care about his mental health lyrics. Like that's, they're obsessed over what he's saying. And cool, he built that audience, which is fire. I'm not mad at that. Like Big X to Plug does fucking. numbers. I'm not in great. I think the youth loves Central C in all of Europe. Like, I think all the kids that are in their 20s are in the, the moment they get in their car, they're putting on Central C. Great. But then I can

also, also at the same time, I can go to an arena and see that Daycove sold it out. I can go to a ring and see that Kendrick sold it out. Well, they've still rap. It's just different. It's just different talent level. Yeah, but they've also been in the game for so long. They've built a crazy lawyer. Yeah, but there's a lot of niggas that have been in the game that was on that freshman cover with Kendrick and Jay Cole, we don't know where them niggas is at. So don't say it's the age. Let's go look at that freshman cover because I think that was a pretty

good freshman cover, but I hear you. I give these younger artists like Rod Wave even more credit because to get their fan base, which is younger kids that stay in the house, to pack out an arena, take something. Yeah, for sure. Like when I was coming up,

we were all outside, we'd buy tickets. It's so hard to pack out an arena, especially with kids that literally sit on fucking Fortnite all day. For sure. For sure. That takes a different level of obsession. For sure. Those kids have social anxiety. You're not walking outside. So I hear you on that, but the impact is clearly there with all of these artists.

It's there. Yeah. Is it? Go to a Rod wave show, bro. No, we know Rod. I understand that. I'm saying the rest of the artists on that list. Impact, yes.

I think they have different types of it. I don't think every artist here obviously packs out in arena. Oh, it's fragmented impact. I got it. Look how fast we found fragmented in fact. Before we get into that, that word fragmented, we also have to remember the audience is fragmented. Maybe not media.

Yes. The world is fragmented. The country is fragmented. When we first started podcasting, it was mostly music fans that were listening to us. So when we did say an artist that nobody had heard of, yes, it spiked up and their name got out there based off media. But now podcasting, in my opinion,

is a majority podcast and content fans, not music fans. So don't say we're fragmented when the audience is fragmented. They're not music fans. We're a music podcast that probably speaks to mostly people that don't listen to music like that in their car. How much impact can I have? But at the same time, then we get, what's the guy our guy name that was on at the show when he got mad

because half the owners was only there to hear that one song that was going crazy on TikTok. Steve. Steve Lacey. Steve Lacey. Talented. Right? Pack show.

They only did to hear one song. That's the audience fragmented. Not us. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So, yeah, the impact, cool. The impact could be off of one song. That don't mean the rest of the catalog is fire or that the audience that is at your show.

Feels like the rest of your catalog is the... They're here for the one song. Not in Steve's case, but I hear you. I'm not in Steve's case, but I'm just saying he got mad at that because it's like, bro, I got a whole bunch of other dope shit that y'all only hear to hear something that's going crazy. on TikTok right now? Like an artist will get mad at that because it's like, yo, my whole catalog, I got fire in my catalog. But I'm just saying. So if you're going to say media is

fragmented, the listening experience is fragmented at that point. Yeah. Because even right now, we would all in this room agree that TI and 50 have some of our favorite discographies of our lives. Who's paying attention right now to this beef? Content fans or music fans? Content fans. Don't know by one here. Neither one of them, niggas were at. They're here for conflict. I'm a music fan. But I'm a music fan. I'm a music fan. but I'm going definitely just tap in and see what they're saying about each other. Oh no, of course. But music fans, we also like conflict between artists, but we also like the music.

I think a majority of people that are tapped into this that have never been a T.I. fan or a 50 fan like that before. The younger kids are here for conflict. That's not a music fan. Yeah. But as music fans, we like conflict. They just like conflict. Okay. I don't think the fans are tapped in that much on this T.I.

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Well, let's just say T-I's distract because King just threw a shot. Do a shot is funny. King just threw a shot. Guys. He got bigger fish to fry. He focused on his music career. He's through a little something in there. He's focused on his album right now.

I hope he did you. You keep them. That's a kid. This record. Does King make music like that? If he does, top five King albums. That's funny.

Isn't the other son, what is his name? Damani? Damani. Yeah. Very talented. No, he could like, that's an artist.

Yeah. But King is a content creator. Yeah. brother is an artist. This is a perfect example. His brother's an artist. Catch in a moment. King is a content creator that happens to sometimes make music. That's why I say it's a disc record. He's never making that song unless it was to throw in the bars at 50 cent. You think that that whole entire song and video and everything got done. Yep. Within three days. Yep.

Hell yeah. What do you think that is? New York State of Mine? Yeah. That shit could get done in six hours. How many shoe locations did they happen? It's outside of hotel. Yeah, like, yeah, that's how it goes now. I got to record this song tonight. Shoot the video tomorrow. Which is fine. But I think that it was probably a song that he was already working on and then he was a 50 cent.

I'm not going to shoot that down. That might be the case. That might be the case. But it's anything, he's trying to capitalize off the moment. Oh, for sure. For sure. He's trying to capitalize off the moment. See, I too, though.

The fact that Jalthing King walked in the studio and told his engineer, you'll pull up that record I was working on? I got bars. I got some balls for fifth. That never happened. So then you actually giving King more credit because the song isn't, it might not be for us and what we like, but the song isn't bad. No, me and P's were sitting here like, this isn't terrible.

Yeah, it's not bad. So if he wrote it in a day, if he wrote it in two days and shot the video with two days, I'm not mad at him. You got a little bit of talent because that's not bad. That's better than what a lot of these fucking younger rappers and his demographic are putting out. So I'm not. His shit only hit him with Damani put his pen to it. You know what I'm sure?

King shit only hit it. Yeah, King shit only hit it when DeMani put his pen to it. Like, we know that already. What do you think about T.I.'s this track? The first listen, I said, this is definitely not getting it done. I don't love it. I have, I like it a little bit better as it plays, but it's not getting it done. But with all that said, 50, you're still on the clock.

If 50 does not reply, man, y'all think, all right, reply how you think 50 going to rat? man 50 think y'all niggas 50 think any nigger that's because t i's only what 46 45 all right so t i still got but definitely if you over 48 49 and you still raping on dis like this in it 50 is laughing at you especially if you making music disin him he's not getting in the booth no 50 is not writing new bars for none of these rappers he's not doing that like i i don't know why people saying you on the clock and 50 is not rapping with none of y'all he's not doing

that. He's in a hole. I cut you off because of her. What? I never said that I think 50 cent is going to reply. You're still on the fucking clock. You're still a rapper. He's not on a cop. He's not rapping. Because you seem to think that every time anybody this is anybody that they have to respond. And sometimes so shit, I don't make the rules I just respect. 50 going to respond. He's just not getting in the booth though. He's not doing that.

50 is not rapping. He's not right. And he doesn't have to. Y'all think 50 going to sit down, write some balls aimed at T.I. No, no one thinks that. He's in a whole different space in his life right now. I don't think that either. But I'm saying if somebody raps, you can't just post fucking means. Yes, you can.

And it doesn't make you any less of a rapper and nobody can take a notch off your boat. But that's the game he's playing, though. He's not rapping. 50 is not recording new music. Well, no, he just actually put out a new record like a couple months ago. But he's not, he's not jumping in a rap battle beef. He's not doing it.

Also, Ti has like. music. Ti is restarting his rap career. We can see what this is. Capitalize off the momentum. Which is fine. I'm not mad at it. Which is fine, but 50's not going to do, like, and he shouldn't. And 50 knows that. 50

knows that. 50 knows what T. He's like, oh, okay. Just momentum for him, for him to get some traction on his music. Like, okay, cool. I don't think 50 is going engage in that and help that in any way. Like, no. No. How do y'all feel about TIA? Yeah, I'm inconsistent with that.

Now are we inconsistent. How are we consistent? Anybody else you would say they have to wrap? No, they don't. You are consistent with that. If 50 was still putting out albums and dropping singles, then of course I would say that. He's not doing that, though. He's not in that space anymore.

How long has it been since 50 has recorded, even though he just put something. Just put something else. But that was a verse or a song, whatever it was. But what is that for? Is it for a 50 album that's coming? I don't know. This is what I'm saying. We don't even know what that is.

Like, is that's a feature for somebody else? I don't even know what that is. I feel like they're just too old. I feel like at some point, you're too old. some shit. How old is 50? It's 50 50. I'm looking at that right now. You might be over 50. Because if 50 is over 50, then come on, bro. He's 50. 50. 50 is 50. Okay. It's magic

numbers. I don't want to hear no. Ti is 45. He's going to reply. I don't want to hear if you 50. I don't want to hear you writing battle raps, bro. Why? I don't want to hear that. Hearing that 50 cent is 50. It's just. I mean, he was like 29 when he came out. I get it, but it's just, it's like you're really too old for this shit. His rap beef and day should be over. You really? He did it with the best of them, bro. Like, he can't get it. Okay, but all right,

but to me with this whole thing, I think it's better if a 50 year old who's a rapper wraps back at another elder statesman that wrapped instead of trolling on Instagram like a fucking teenager. Oh no, I don't think he should be too. I don't know what I think it's, it's way better for a 50 year old to be rapping than to be on ID. But 50 has always been a troll. And I'm fine with 50 trolling. And this is the conversation that me and Roy were having. Yes, he's always been a troll. But at some point, we just going to keep saying 50 a troll or we're going to be like, oh, he's old as fuck. He's, it can be both now.

He's 50 and he's still a troll. He's adapting to marketing. He's a 50-year-old troll. 50 came into the game trolling niggas. How to rob an industry nigga. That's trolling. Facts. All of that is trolling shit.

So I just don't understand why he's still the same guy he was, but because he's in a different space as far as creativity, he's not entertaining. He's not doing music. Like, he's a legacy act. He's going on world tours, performing. and shit that he put out years ago. He's not going on the world tour and they coming up to him saying, yo, new album dropping next week.

He's not doing that. He's going to give us a new show next month. He goes on a new deal with a new network and create new movies. He's doing, he's in that space. He's not in the music business like that no more. 50 is not doing that. If he's in the music business, it's off his old catalog. It's off a shit that he's already put out.

Can we do a hypothetical? Of course. Okay. Erase the history of Nas and Jay-Z. Erase it. Erase that they had a beef already. Erased that entire thing. Okay.

Let's say, Nas, as active as he's been, let's say for some, in some weird world, Jay Z and Nas are active on Instagram and start going back and forth. And then Nas starts rapping. Do we not look at Hove,

who has not, he's been chilling since the God did verse, that Jay's not supposed to reply? Yeah, but is he a, is Jay just like on, just known as a troll? Is it the same? No, it's a back and forth

between two rappers. It's a terrible hypothetical because those two niggas would never do that. That's what the definition of a hypothetical is. But no, that's not the definition of a hypothetical because a hypothetical has to potentially this could happen. It hasn't, but potentially this could happen. That would never happen.

So you would look at Jay. So if Jay didn't respond, yes, you would look at him differently. Also, no, if Nas went and started trolling Jay-Z or they started arguing and he rapped, y'all would judge Nas because that's so out of Nas' character because Nas doesn't do lame shit. So that's why that's a bad hypothetical. J-Z would look at that and not

respond to that because it's like, niggal, what the fuck are you doing? We're 50-something years old. Nobody would sit up there and be like, nah, Jay, you on a clock. Nause came at you. No, they wouldn't. Both T.I. and 50 were going back and forth on the internet together. I'm saying in this hypothetical, using those two rappers that would be going back and forth on the internet, hypothetical doesn't need to be true. That's kind of the point of hypothetical. I don't think Naz and J. Z will ever go back and forth on the internet. I'm saying Nas being an active rapper right now, if he had a tussle

on Instagram back and forth and decided to rap as a reply instead of posting a meme, I think the other rapper needs to reply. You've entered the realm of a back and forth, and we both rap, and I just wrapped. I just think it's as simple as 50 understands what T.I. is trying to do. Of course. Putting out new music, he's trying to get momentum, capitalize off that.

I just think 50 is like, I'm not giving you marketing right now. I'm not doing that. I think that's what 50 is at. I think he's going to let Tia drop because he's got a new album coming, right? It appears that way. I mean, he has a great single out. I think he's going to fall back.

He's going to let Tia drop and anticipate Tia's numbers not being good and then he's going to start trolling again. You are, I couldn't agree more. But it's just that simple. Like, I don't think it's like I'm breaking the ice. Like this is what 50 is doing. He's like, bro, all right, cool.

Same with FAB and all of them. When they just diss 50, niggist thought 50 was getting back in the booth to go at Fab. No, I didn't think that. But I still think Fab had a crazy verse at 50. He did. We know Fab could wrap his asshole. Jim had a dope on Maine.

We know that. I knew the whole time when they was like, yeah, nah, Fifth going to have to. Yeah, I think 50 is booking studio time to write balls directed at Jim Jones, Fab and Mayno and Davis. So there's a difference between thinking somebody's going to do something and thinking they should do something. But I mean, like, what does 50 lose if he don't? He don't lose shit.

Doesn't take nothing away from him. Why I also don't think that 50's doing that? Because I agree with you guys. I just think in the definition of how this shit has been going forever, he's on the clock. But with that said, 50 has only gotten in beefs because it was going to benefit his career. Dissin Fab, Jim Jones, T.I., etc. There's no disrespect to them. It just doesn't help 50s career because he's not in the hip-hop world anymore.

That's what I'm saying. He had no issue with Kanye West. Him and Kanye going head-to-head was a great marketing scheme. Because at the time, 50 was a megastar, and so was Kanye. It was the two juggernauts like, oh, we released in the same day, I'd be. bet him him going at fat joe and jada after they did the record with jahruh yes that made sense because it was going to heighten his career at that time the beef made sense for marketing the jirul shit he was trying to get on he ain't a real real issue with jirul until a certain point like i'm just trying to

get on that's most popular rapper in my neighborhood like this is a strategy so that's why i know he's not going to do it because i think 50s viewed rat beef just rat beef a way as if it does not benefit my career, I'm never going to do it. There's been plenty of people that took shots at 50 that he never replied to because it's like, no, you don't, what does this even do for me? Right. Like, the game shit was he just left the label. This benefits my career if I keep beefing with him. And on top of that, I own his catalog. So I want him to be as hot as possible. Like, I own the doctor's advocate. 50 is a businessman. 50 was walking around with a doctor's advocate promo team. If it doesn't benefit business, he's not doing it. Of course. Like, that's just that simple. I don't think he didn't.

do it but and at this point in his life that's what he's supposed to be doing if it's not beneficial to me business wise if it's not doing nothing for me in my business why am i even engaging in but that's only when it comes to rap because when it comes to trolling even though it might not benefit his business he still does it he does it and then hashtags whatever brand he's yeah his his his working on at the time his cognate like i'm paying attention to them hashtag bransons at the end you don't know that we don't know how many cases he moved each tweet each tweet i ain't checking how many How many cases has moved each tweet? I don't know.

Let's not act like amazing businessman like Hove. Get a company hot for a few months based off what they're doing and then sell the shit at the highest point and move on. I didn't plan on this company for a while. He got a whole studio, a film lot he built it in in Baton Rouge. Yeah. Like he's playing that game. Fitty going over there.

He's creating shows and he's not paying attention. I think 50 is laughing at anybody that is his age or his peers that are still trying to make money off rap. I think that's what it is. I think he's like, y'all, still rapping? Ain't no money in this shit. None of you niggas is going on tour. How do you feel about T.I.

trying to come back with the album after the comedy thing? Because I had a conversation with somebody who was just kind of like, is given emptiness syndrome, like midlife crisis. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Because you can't be a rapper and be funny. You're going to have to pick one. Because we ain't going to take you serious on one of them. Man, rappers are funny.

I don't know if I'm putting mad in front of rappers are funny. Yeah, I don't know. They might be naturally funny. They're not trying to be comedians. Oh, no, I agree there. I think that's unfair. T.I.'s been actively right. He's not one of those rappers that took a huge break.

I mean, yeah, there's some gaps there when you got a little bit older. But T.I. has been pretty active. Even when I considered him a legacy act, he had a number one record with Young Thug. Like, T.I. has kept a hit. T.I. has always been active. I think that's unfair to do to the older artists. Like, yeah. Nobody thinks Bruce Springsteen is having a midlife crisis.

Like, I just, I think that's unfair. His past is midlife. Nick, a late life crisis. Okay, I'm saying, when he was T.I.S. age. Like, the B Street band was still was still, was still. When he was T.I. He was selling out the fucking garden for a month. Like, what do you talk about?

A giant stadium. Yeah, like, are you kidding me? Like, that wasn't a price. But no, but still making music, like, again, we've talked about this plenty of times. Rap is the only genre that frowns upon older or artists continuing their career outside of what we've seen Hove, Nas, et cetera, do. Listen, I'll tell y'all all the time.

Rappers don't retire. We know. No, no, not that rapists don't retire. Once you start making movies and films as a rapper, there is no coming back. Nas gave us belly and got the fuck out of Hollywood. He gave us, and belly was like low-key, that could have just been like a long rap video.

That was honestly, it was a Tooby movie. Yeah, like, that shit wasn't like, but once you start really like, yo, once you really start jumping into like TV, and film, you can't come back to rap. Okay, fair, but I feel like Ti had the young thug about the money record, and I think he had been in takers at that point in ATO. And like, TI did ATO and had a very successful rap career after a major motion film. True.

He's one of the few that has stayed consistent after doing big movies. True. What I'm saying is when you go into TV and film, As a rapper, it is very hard to come back and people take you serious in music. It's just tough. I think T.I. is probably one of the very few. Outside of like the fun state properties and like shit like that, like real actual movies. T.I. is one of the few.

Because he stayed consistent after. Oh, yeah, ludicrous is a... If a ludicrous album dropped tomorrow or what? Yeah. He's not running to the lewd. I don't know for sure. Ryan said Ryan's 23. He said he knows T.I. as an actor, not even as a rapper. 23 years old.

He just said that. But then, I mean, ATL was 06. I mean, TI had a great rap career after that, and I thought that was a great film. But again, ATL is similar to paid and full and belly, but it's still rap. It's still Atlanta. It's kind of, it's not too far away from. Yeah, but even that, that's when it started to. A list.

Yeah, but that's when it started to get a little like, oh, T.I. is really going to act. And I'm not saying that whatever, see, this is where my point does fail. all about the money record with young thug, I can't really tell you what else is on that TI album. But that was a very, very big record. But before that, T.I. was still acting and I thought I had big ones. He's one of the few.

I think that's going to change, though. I think with that era that happens. But these kids, Jack Harlow is doing fucking movies with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. Like, times are changing. I think we're going to see more of that where rappers are going to have to also do movies in the peak of their career. Yeah, I don't want to see Jack Hollow acting, though. He wasn't bad.

I mean, he wasn't in the movie that long, but he wasn't terrible. You didn't see White Men Can John. Oh, no, I refused to see that. You didn't watch that. I saw him in Dave. Okay. And that small. A white man can't jump, too?

I know. I refuse. Once you show me them in the gym playing ball, I'm like, this ain't even white men can't jump anymore. They people played in the gym. Like, what is this shit? I refused. Well, I mean, listen, man, Will Smith had a great freestyle on Lyrical Lemonade after his movie

career. you thought that was hard y'all y'all really got mad at me that i came in and trash that shit you cut it all man see y'all don't never put the gold out y'all always want to tuck the gold yo can we put that on patreon like y'all want to tuck the gold we should put the lyrical lemonade will smith mall rant on on peteran y'all was sitting here like nah will don't know if he want to do this this why is he doing this nobody wants to see will smith rapping they like crisis y'all are crazy man do we have voicemails sponsored by boost mobile unlimited talk text and data you've got mail peace uh rory mall damaris everybody in the studio um i'm a day one listener um long time listener

fuck with y'all all that stuff um the question i have today it's not necessarily a valentine's day question. It's more of a romantic relationship question, but I still think it might apply to what you're all trying to discuss today. I am an emotional-ass, monogamous-ass nigger who got married at 25. I'm 33 now. I'm about a decade in, and I'm wondering, like, when do y'all think that the hall past conversation should come up? Or if it should ever come up. You know, know, I'm about a decade in. As the monogamous emotional, nigga, that I am, I don't really feel like I need one right now, but five, 10, 15, 20 years in the future, I might think about it, you know?

So what do you all think about how that conversation should go down? Like, what location, when it should happen? Yeah, I'm interested in hearing y'all thoughts. Not location. First of all, I like, I like that. I like that he's saying, like, he ain't thinking about it right now. Nigel, you're thinking about it right now. That's what you told him.

You're whispering in your bathroom recording this so your wife doesn't hear it. Yeah, like you're, you're thinking about a whole pass. You want a whole pass tomorrow. I don't think you're emotional and monogamous because one, you repeated it twice. I think you're manipulative. Oh, Jesus. Okay. Well, what are he telling you to be honest with you?

You're calling a manipulative. I think, I think, um, I don't know if whole passes are good. I don't think so. It's never good knowing your partner slept with somebody. Like, I don't care if it was like talked about beforehand and the slothed. like it's just not that's not a good feeling like I think that changes everything in a relationship but some people I hear you and I agree some people give hall passes they'll give a hall pass and just be like oh or a hall pass is if like if this happens or I run into this can I use it some people

say don't tell me when you use it you have it but don't tell you hell nah knowing your girl got a whole pass first of all knowing I just don't understand the type of relations people be in knowing that your girl, you telling your girl, nah, you can sleep with somebody else but just don't tell me about it. All right, Mario Wanans. Like, what, what you mean? You gave your girl permission to sleep with somebody else

and you just don't want to know when she do it? What do we tell? I don't even understand like, and again, y'all be saying, yo, more, you vanilla, you sex. Shut the fuck her. That's why none of you niggas is happy in your relationship.

Number one. Number two, telling your girl, no, you can sleep with somebody else just don't tell me, though. How was that a healthy relationship? What is healthy about that? I want to harp on his context because I think that his context is important. He said they got married very young.

And he said, I ain't that young to get married? In this day and age, it kind of is. Not in Virginia, but I hear you. He's saying, when does that conversation? In Mexico, they late. I'm sorry. That was unnecessary.

My bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Go ahead. He's saying when could this be a realistic conversation? I think that he's being realistic. If you're 25 years old and you're really in this for keeps, you could be married for the next 50 years.

And yes, people do it, but we ain't going to act like people ain't step out. People ain't have, like, this is a realistic conversation. You're expected to sleep with the same person for 50 years. That's not for everybody. So a lot of people are having those conversations. I don't think it's an unrealistic conversation.

I think if you're having that conversation, you're not satisfied in your relationship. Because if you satisfy, like, your girl is everything to you, the sex is incredible. like you can't even fathom sleeping with somebody else. If your man is satisfying you and it's every, you can't even, the thought of another man climbing on top of you would make you throw up.

Yes. I think that, if you're happy. I think that we are the wrong, sir, I think you called into the wrong podcast. None of us are married and have not been in relationship over 10 years. So I think that that's,

it's a different conversation with those people. I think it's definitely tougher for people that are married at 25 and now 33. with the constant amount of other people they're subjected to every single day. I think it fucks with the human brain. I don't think he's crazy for thinking that. My question is, does she get a Hall Pass? That's something that he left out.

Well, yeah. Does the Hall Pass go both ways, or do you just want to fuck another girl? No, I think, I don't know where he got. I've never been a part of a Hall Pass. He might be pimping. Like, she can't do it, but he can't. I don't know this gentleman.

He might be pimping. I didn't take that as he was suggesting that she had one as well. I think he was asking. Well, he said the Hall Pass conversation. Yeah, he might be pimping. Yeah, he didn't say for me. He said a Hall Pass conversation.

I'm sure he's thought about like if I asked for one, she might ask for once. Yeah, because I think that's just going to cause, obviously we don't know his wife and how she would take that conversation. I just think it's not going to go the way he thinks it's going to go. Or if it goes the way he wants it to go, he's going to start to feel insecure of how ready she was to say yes with it. Because now you're looking at your way, hey, maybe we should do the Hall Pass. She's like, yeah, I'm a board. Now you're looking at your girl like, okay. You know why?

Because this is the part of the whole past that you don't talk about. She already know who she wanted. Fuck. She already know. The nigger is already primed and ready to go. The nigger can't wait for her to be like, yo. Like, she know. Your girl know if she get the opportunity to step out on you,

especially if it's like it's okay. Like it's a green light. Like it's a whole passer. She know. She know. She knows where that nigga lived. She's, she probably already connected to the wild front. She's been there right now.

And to Mall's point, if she has a hall pass and you have a hall pass and you both agree and you feel okay about it, it's going to be way easier in the streets for her than it is for you. If you are this misogynist, monogamous person that you say you are, you can't just go back into the wild after eight years of being a house cat and think you about to just fall into some pussy. Nah, no, you guys depends on your game. It depends on your game. He can pick up in a bar. He doesn't even know how to flirt at this point. If you come back like Jordan winning the four or five,

nigga, you're right back in the game. And I don't even. The streets was waiting for you to come back. I hate to play games with you. Just the aim. Yeah. Probably maim you. If I'm married for 10 years and I come outside one night,

like, yo, I got the whole pass. I'm knocking something down immediately. I already know. It ain't going to be no, yo, I need the fun through money, you do. He hasn't been out. He's been monogamous. I'm just saying I can't speak for 10 years.

Just because you monogamous. Maybe more than that. because they've been married for almost 10 years. They could have been together. It's not, you know, the ladies don't think you cool personality. You hanged. I'm not saying that, but you haven't even, you don't even know what's going on outside anymore. It doesn't matter.

Who cares what's going on outside? Who gives a fuck with J-Ru things at the time like this? You don't, I got a haul pass for tonight. I just need some pussy. I don't care who's depressed. I don't care who's homeless. I don't give a fuck. Do you, are you not on your menstrual?

Let's fuck tonight. I need to push you tonight. And honestly, he might look past that. Yeah, he's running really lights on the hall pass. Is that worth your girl getting fucked as well? Because who knows who you're going to run into to use that whole pass. How long you're going to last? Like, you could really waste your hall pass on busting in 30 seconds

because you've never been in another vagina for 10 years. And it's just happy to be here. And she could be getting her black, like that blown out over there. Bro, do you know how. Is that worth your girl getting fucked? Do you know how motherfucking mad I would be? If I found out that I gave my man a hall pass and he went and busted in 30 seconds, you got this bitch thinking that my coochie whack.

because you couldn't control your motherfucking self you act like you ain't never had nice before be like that oh I would be he's been in the same vagina for 10 years

his dick is gonna be like wait where the fuck we at and maybe get a little excited Holpass is and you doing all that so your girl could also get fucked and maybe better first of all when did Holpaz start

Owen Wilson the movie no it was a thing way before that it's always been a thing no it hasn't I wasn't aware of it until the movie, honestly. No, it has not. My uncles, my pops, ain't nobody.

I said, you know, I let your moms go out one night and go. I've never heard that at the cookout. Well, that's because this is, and this is the thing. This is why I said people have been married before. And I'm like, you know, my grandparents were married for 50 years, but you got an auntie that ain't. You know what I'm saying? People have stepped out before.

It just was honest. No, no, no, no, no. People have stepped out. No, no, no, no. No, no. No, people have been aware in their marriages of sides before. It was just don't ask. Don't tell.

It was very much don't ask. But that's not a hall pass. Yeah, that's not a hall pass, though. That's different. I know what you're saying. That's accepting cheating. Yeah, that's different. I'm talking about, yo, babe, here,

yo, tonight, go ahead, go out with the girls. And if you see somebody at the bar that you want to. But that's not usually how hall pass is work. Every hall pass I've ever. Well, now it's different because y'all know exactly where the nigga live, with time he get off work. When he come into town, y'all know exactly, yeah.

Y'all know who y'all going to sleep with if your man get your hall pass. Y'all know exactly who the guy is already. There's no like. I wouldn't take it. You wouldn't take the Hallpad? I wouldn't take the HallPath? No, that's perverse psychology. But you wouldn't take it?

I'm not no idiot. You wouldn't take it because you don't want him to get your man to take it? No. So why wouldn't you take it? I wouldn't take it because I would feel like that's reverse psychology. I feel like you're telling me, yeah, you could go do this. You don't really want me to go do it, though. I wouldn't do it.

No, all right. I understand. I'm talking about if you know your man is like, yo, listen. I don't date men like that. So I can't, again, a hypothetical that would never happen. I can't speak for that. Okay. Because it just is so unrealistic to me.

And then also with the whole past thing, this is what I want to know, because it's a one-time thing. So fuck if you bust quick, whatever. It's just one night. Let's say it's the greatest sex ever. It's a one-time thing. What is that solving in the next 50 years of our marriage? Yeah, I don't know.

That's why I don't understand. Because it's like, all right, you might have sex with somebody. When I fuck you for the next 50 years? Yeah, like you had sex with somebody just for the night and that was, you just wanted to go have sex with somebody else? Like, is it a hall pass for the rest of our marriage where we're just in an open, like, open relationship, even though I. I couldn't do that make way more sense to me than a one-night thing.

Sometimes it could just be curiosity. It could just be like, yo, like, we've been doing this for so long. Let's try something new. Whatever. But that's going to be a stay. If it's one night, it's just going to be a stain that's there for such an unnecessary reason. Because nothing's going to change for the next 50 years of your relationship because you fuck

somebody one night 20 years ago. I never understood the definition of what the purpose. I've never met anyone that's had a hall pass. I thought it was honestly a movie. Hall pass is to me when I've had to. discussions about them and my relationships were always if you there's this one person that if I met this person you know you got to let me like a celebrity

because I wanted to do it so badly I've heard those before those those I really understand because I don't understand that either man that's this one that do that are dumb because bro she's going to run into somebody you're not like imagine imagine you being married for eight years and your girl like you know I love you but yo if Denzel ever back out the swammy on I'm me. But I said that, but this is the thing. That's the conversation I usually happens with in the first two years of the relationships. Yo, and in 99% of relationships that aren't celebrity based, I am not running into Rihanna. She may run into Michael B. Jordan. Why would you agree to that? Why is every man's hall pass, Rihanna? Every man's hall pass is Rihanna.

Thinking Rihanna would fuck any of us. You know, it was me. I ran into, I've run into a few of my hall passes that I had made. with other men. A few of them. I never set up. Men are going to lose that battle every time. Because I promise you, all right, never mind. Forget. I just said that entire thing. I say all that to say, I don't really understand the Hall-Pass thing. I don't think it solves anything.

I think if you are already thinking that way, maybe you should have an open relationship conversation. Because I think if you get a taste to the streets with a Hall Pass, it's not going to stop and it's just going to make everything more awkward. And I think if she's excited for it, it's going to make you feel even crazier. I think if you get a taste of, to the streets, usually as a man that's been married

for eight years and you really, really love your wife, you get a taste of the streets and you're going to love her more. You're going to love her more. Oh, no, the streets is cooked out here. Streets is done. But if you're trying to have some fun, the streets is wide open. Even if you go to, but a married man that... Trying to find a wife in this bunch? No, it's cooked.

I'm saying, but if you want to have fun, yeah. There's plenty of wives out there. But yeah, plenty of wives. I want to meet... There's a certain aesthetic to the people that have for all passes. anybody I know who has ever like let their girl like or let their they it's a certain aesthetic to them they know fingernails dirty nobody want to sleep with you I'm talking about ones that have

actually went through with it like you ain't that attractive it's like oh I let my girl go it's like all right who hit it who hit that like yeah that's that's why like when we talk about the nude beach stuff I also think the same thing another myth about the sex clubs and the swingers clubs I don't think you're about to find some bad-ass clubs and the swingers club. I've never been. I wouldn't know. You're wrong about. Oh, okay.

See? You're wrong about. Yeah. I just, I'm assuming that maybe they don't have the best. I think. But you have two attractive friends who have told you that they've gone to those things. They've been with attractive men.

That's true. Like, that's, no, that's just horniness. Them niggas. New Beach? No, not New beaches. The sex and swingers clubs. Oh, yeah. I'm not into it.

Maybe not the ones that she was going to with her man. I do think kind of the way that. nude beaches and those like certain resorts that are made for swingers and like you put something on your door, I don't think you're getting the best bunch. Oh, the upside down pineapple people. Yeah, that you guys have told me about. I don't think those married couples is really who you should be fucking, but that's just me. I'm just not into it. You don't like that shit. Like, ugh. I don't like nobody fucking like bitches that ain't even. Don't do that because you got, he got wooed at the bar and went up to the hotel room. What bar? The swinger. You was almost there.

Yeah, Chuck Ladell almost got that. No, but I mean, that wasn't going to happen. I know how it looked like that could have been the case, but that definitely was not going to happen. But yeah, I just, I don't know. That whole, I just don't know, man. Like, it's like, who is it? Who are you from?

Like, you're supposed to just get, like, naked and just climb on top of this? Like, ew. You don't, well, like, weird, you don't be knowing people. Like, how you just get naked and start fucking, like, random people? That's always, yeah, that's very. That shit is crazy to me. I'm sorry. Like, people smells and sense.

It's like, you don't. You don't know what you in for with this. Like, I just don't know how people be like, yo, I'm going to the swingers club. Like, word? Like, what does smell like in there? I'm sorry. My, oh, nothing.

Do you have to sign like waivers and like, do you have to come with an SDD test? I would hope so. No, you, I don't think so. Some, some you do. The super exclusive ones, you do have to have a clean bill of rights. But a lot of them, no.

Clean bill of rights is hilarious. No. You know, if I walked into a sex club and they, just come on in sir you gotta sign a waiver you have to sign a waiver same thing with like skiing like if you hurt yourself it ain't on a no i get the waiver part of anything happens it's fragile i'm talking about if you don't show up with your paperwork like are you good yeah like if you on i'm too much germophobe i'm not rory what you ask bitches for their paperwork when you fucked them i'm talking about if you're in a venue of a sex club no but what does that mean you think people who are

and sex clubs are dirtier than just regular people you eat? No, I don't think that whatsoever. I think, shit, I've told you before, I think strippers are probably cleaner because their whole job is defined on that part of their body. Strippers or porn stars? And escorts. I think they're a lot cleaner than the chicks that just be out in the club. Strippers and porn star escorts is two totally different things.

They're three. Well, sometimes they're all, they all do the same. They check all the same. Some people are writers, producers, and rappers. Yeah. Multi-talented, multi-facety. But if you're... But no, I think an escort, like I think high-end escorts probably take care of their sexual health more than the average girl that's just out in the club getting fucked.

I really do. Well, for work, you have. Because it's their job. Escorts, I don't know, porn. If you're in the porn industry, you get tested for shit. Oh, yeah, no, of course. You have to. And that's what I'm saying that at a sex club in a venue that is made for this.

We couldn't even walk in the airport without a COVID swab. If I'm walking into a place that's designed for a bunch of people to fuck each other, I think it's a sane. thing to go, well, can you bring a current STD test? Oh, no, for sure. I don't think. I agree with that. Yeah. I understand what DeMere's trying to say, yes.

Have I slept with a stranger before? Of course I have. But the whole hotel wasn't designed for everybody to fuck each other. I don't know. I'm just too much of a German phobe, man. Like, I can't, I'm lay down on this bed with four niggies just finished fucking. Oh. I'm not.

I just can't see me getting turned on in that environment. I can't. Like, I just, I would be like. I'll be looking around too much. Like, yo, how many, he was just laid, like, I'm supposed to lay with homie was just laying at, like. And you know, Mall's not. I'm not doing that, man.

I'm not showing up when, when doors open. So by the time Mall gets there, those sheets have been used. Yeah. Like a lot. The windows is foggy. Mm. Walls is wet. There's handprints.

Yeah, I'm cool. It smelled crazy in here. It smelled like open butthole in here. Like, I'm cool. I'm not, I'm supposed to be like, yo, I'm next. I'm not. Well, some people go and just observe. Some people go and they go with their girl and they just like they get a drink because there's usually bars in there they get a drink and they just watch.

I'm cool. We can go watch something else. Paradise is back on who. There's so many. There's so many things. We can go watch, man. Like I just don't know if I want to watch that. But I mean, T's a fun third date.

Yeah, like T. Teage is on. Whatever, man. All right. Well, we'll be back in a couple days. Well, tomorrow. Yeah. We'll be back tomorrow.

We're back tomorrow. All right. So we'll see you on a couple. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

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