New Rory & MAL - Episode 495 | Ran to Toronto

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

Mal, aka The Cal Ripken of Podcasting, is back home (potentially with an OVO chain), and recaps his trip to Toronto for Drake’s ICEMAN release. Rory and Demaris were outside this weekend, and the whole crew shares their takes on Drake’s trio of projects that dropped on Friday. From favorite songs, to slickest bars, the guys give their highly anticipated breakdown. In other news, Dr. Cheyenne Bryant’s doctorate degree gets called into question, and Jason Lee reacts to old footage of him on The Ricki Lake Show. The NBA’s Conference Finals are here, and we check back in on who’s teams are still in. See you on Thursday! All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-foreverSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We missed you so much. Miss you so much. You've never taken an episode off, so yeah, we missed you. Or one, I think, when you were sick. A well-deserved break. I'm like the Cow Ripkin of a podcast. You are definitely the Kyle Ripkin of a podcast.

I don't even know that about me, Roy. I'm the Cow-Ripkin of this shit right here. You know what I'm a man. Cal Ripkin the third? Yeah, come on. You're definitely Cal Ripkin. You're definitely Mall Ripkin. You're definitely Mall Ripkin.

I'm Paul Ripkin. I'm the Iron Man of this podcast. This shit, man. Yeah. Well, we are happy to have you back. Your presence was definitely missed, but it was definitely for good measure that you were going at the end of the week. How was your trip to the native land of Toronto?

Well, first of all, I do want to start by saying shout out to D.DOT. I was mad I couldn't. Yeah, that was a great episode. I'm mad I wasn't here to kick it with D.D., that's one of, you know, the OGs and one of the people that I really like enjoy seeing. talking to. So mad, I missed him, but, you know, shout out to D-Dy. Shout out Tray Lee. Trace Lee, yeah. Coming through as well. And we all sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited Talk, text, and data. Nah, you sponsored by Rogers today. Well, no, I'm back. I'm back in America.

You got your boost service back? Yeah, I'm back in America. They gave me my Boost Mobile back, man, yeah. So you touched down what, this morning, yesterday? Yeah, yesterday. So full weekend in Toronto. What did you do all you up there? Was it just Coincidence? Coincidence? That you were up in Toronto. What you mean? He's doing the thing.

He's doing the thing, Maude. I'm just asking about his trip. You know. Oh. Oh, he was making a joke. Yeah, yeah. My bad, Roar. He is.

Thanks, man. No. Well, Ice Man came out last, what, last Thursday. So I went up to support my guy to see you see the crew, man. I haven't seen my guys in a minute. So it was good to see my guy. Shout out my guy, Nico. I didn't see my boy Nico in a minute, man.

So it was good seeing him. him. Shout out to the whole OVO family, man. It was a great time, great weekend. Okay. A major weekend for them. So just went up to support, man. So Thursday night, it looked like there was a fireworks show. It looked like you guys were like in some type of hotel overlooking the water. Like, what was the Thursday night event? Oh, we was at our spot. Hotel X. We was at the rooftop.

Oh, great. Oh, yeah. I love that place. Yeah, so we was at the rooftop Hotel X. And, yeah, just to watch the stream and, you know, have some drinks and laughs and kick it. shit, man. It was a good time, man. That was it. Okay. No, I just... What are you digging for? Like, what are you talking? I'm just asking what happened. That's all. No, that was it. Literally. Watch the

stream like everybody else. Okay. That's all. Yeah. What about the rest of the weekend? It was also a nice weekend in Toronto, weather-wise? Yeah, I just, I showed, though. I saw some of our family, some of our friends up there and shit. That was it, though. It wasn't nothing like to, you know, I wasn't like outside in the clubs running around. I wasn't going on that shit. No, it wasn't that. Gotcha.

Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah. Me and Demaris did a stream. That was Friday, right? Was it? It was Friday, my day off. We had to do a little ice man stream. Yeah, we did. I was it.

I called in for some. Yeah, he called in for a little bit. It was fun. It was a good time. And, you know, I didn't want to do Thursday night because I wanted to actually listen to the album at least once before. We start reviewing stuff. But it was cool. Then we went out afterwards, you know, gave it a card test that I think,

Damaris seemed to pass. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh no, no, they played it. We went to the one hookah lounge we knew we'll be playing it. Yeah. I just, I want to let y'all know that my ass is going to fall off from true bestie. My ass is going to fall off.

Just want to let you all know. I'm going to throw so much ass that my ass is going to detach from my hips. And wherever it was, it's just going to be on the ground there. I'm going to throw my ass to that. I just thought I'll let you know. It was so interesting because I saw the clip, but I had it on mute. Yeah. I thought y'all was playing, well, we survived the let out.

See, we're not doing this. I just said I missed you. We were celebrating survived. No, no, no. It was on mute. It was on mute. I just said I missed you. And I couldn't tell.

I was like, maybe they listen into maybe like they riding around the city going crazy with coal. Don't piss me off. And then I'm just saying, I just saw the clip. I saw the clip. And I was like, oh, shit. I said, what they do? Riding around. Like, okay.

I said, oh, Damaris hanging out of the sunroof. She's on her cold shit. She letting the streets know coal is outside. And then I like tapped the unmute button. That's what you think she was doing? That's what I thought. I thought y'all was riding around on y'all on y'all

in the Honda. Y'all was in the whip. I was like, okay, baby D. I was the sunroof on a Friday night. I was like, okay, it's lit. I just said I missed this nigga here. He's what I pissed me off already. Number one, I've done it to Cole.

Do it to Cole plenty of times. That's number one. Number two, let Drake enjoy his motherfucking moment. She did it on a bicycle on the city bike. She was standing on the seat on the city bike. imagine you in the car you see de maris go by you on a seat on a seat by standing up like this like biker boys

so what if I was riding she was on the handlebars come on let's do it let's see if we can do it when we leave the studio today that would be hilarious man oh man I was dying looking at that shit though I said look at demaris man oh we had we had baddies with us baddies hookah liquor yeah you can't see the baddies they sitting behind the seats but baddies hookah liquor new Drake album, we throw an ass.

We had a ball. We just kind of outside. Outside, maybe back together. No, wait. Well, I had one of the moments. You know, niggas started drinking. They get emotional. So it's me, Rory, my two friends, and Zip at the table,

hookah lounge. So I look at Zip, right, mind you. Drake going off. Hookah flowing. Bitches, bad bitches blowing smoke. We got liquor. I look at Zip, Zip, just looking around. I say, yo, I'm emotional.

Yo, I'm so happy you get to experience this shit. My nigga did 18. you know, he home. His bitches around. Drake playing hookah. Like, he looked. That nigga's upset. Yeah, man.

Word. Feel good being home. He'd been home for six years. Like, your marriage is like, y'all, y'all picked them off from the gate just now. Like,

he's been home six years. Like, what the fuck you talking about? He did look like he was reflecting. He was, though. He was like, I don't even want Drake no more. I'm just like, vibe, man. I'm like, that's my boy.

He's it, man. We showed him a good time. Shoot everybody in this motherfucker. That's what he was doing. No, wait, Rory got up to go to the bathroom. Ma'all, oh my God. This is why you can't take into the functionalized hood niggas nowhere. Rory got up to go to the bathroom.

So Zip stand and then like, you know, people were coming in it out of the hookah lounge. We sitting at the front door. You know how Sarah is. Zip stand up when Rory goes to the bathroom. And he's standing in front of the door like in front of our table like this. No lie. Zip standing just like this. Did he have a phone book strap to his stomach?

I said zip. Sit down. Like we do it. I promise you, like, we're good there. He's like, you know what I'm saying? I don't know these niggins. I was like, all right, man. It's a hook allowed.

I was like, you ain't supposed to notice. Well, I'm public. This is a buyout. We're in a public place. Like, yeah, I hope you don't know these niggas, yeah. The only thing he didn't do was make his own wine. Oh, my God, man. Shout to Zip, man.

Yeah, love Zip. Do you anything else over the weekend? Nah, after that night, we left you, went back to my house, chain shoes. We just spot hopped. I ended up in Riviera. strip club with two light skin niggas. I don't know them niggas. Two light skin niggas with the Riviera's. Were they spending

at least? Oh, okay. You thought I was there. Shit. Anyway, um, yeah, I just went home. I got home 535 that morning. 535. What a time. Jesus. You were outside, outside. I was outside. I went to, um, Black had a listening event, Sixthelack,

for those that call him that, um, at Bowery last night. I thought it was like a playback. Like, he was just going to play the album for everybody. He performed the entire album. Fire. Like, I'd never seen an artist do that before. Like, it was really a show. And, like, he left the feature versus just play.

But yeah, he put on a whole performance. The way we heard the album for the first time was a live performance, which I thought was the cool shit ever. That's dope. And the album sounds incredible, too. I'm not just saying that. I don't want to, like, make black fans think it's a rap album, but Black is rapping more than he's ever rap before.

He's rapping on this shit. So I'm excited. I'm excited for Friday. He said he come on the pod as well. Yeah? That he wanted to you. Is that like industry talk? No, he brought it up. No, he said he already talked to his people.

Leave me alone. Don't corner me. Don't corner me. He invited me to the event. All right, cool. Shout out the black, man. I fuck with black. Yeah, no, he's a good guy.

And the album styles incredible out this Friday, I believe, right? Yeah. And that's LVRN, right? Oh, that's family. Come on, man. Shut out black. Shout out of justice. Shut out everybody LVRN.

Yeah. So hopefully he'll be on the show soon, but you guys are definitely going to fuck with the project. I like Black. I mean, he always puts out good music, great projects. He takes us time. He's not somebody that's always, you know, in the space, flooding us with music.

He always takes a break, lives life. And then comes back and updates us through the music. So I fuck with Black. I'm looking forward to that. All right. Now that we got the weekend out of the way, you can go to our Patreon to see if Maul did, in fact, get an OVO chain.

The answer is revealed there. We don't need to get into that. it may be under the shirt right now. We don't know. But let's get to the actual project. Let's start with Iceman. I think this is the best produced Drake album since views. Music-wise, production-wise, I think Iceman is the best.

I didn't make the project. I was going to say, why are we clapping? I didn't make the project. But no, to me, this is the best music that I've heard since views. People are going to have their opinions on the lyrical content, what he's talking about, this and that. But the pure music of it, to me, is right there. It's really, really good. I really fuck with Ice Man.

I think he checked all the boxes, too. I think we got some of the version of mature Drake that we were looking for, not the 444 Drake, but the, hey, I'm battling being 40, Drake. I think that's in there. I think we got the outside songs. I think he checked the boxes we were looking for. And I really don't think he was complaining the way some people are making it out to see you. He's just explaining what the fuck happened. People saying he was complaining.

Yeah, and whining. Well, they always said I drink wine. Yeah, like, wait, he's not going to whine now. Whining. That's funny. But make them cry, it's up there with Tuscan leather. I don't think that's a crazy guy I take. That's one of the songs that I heard.

He was like, all right, I'm going to ask you if this. was one of the songs. And if it is, oh, if it's bad, I want to know if that's one of the songs you heard. Oh, yeah. What was your take again that you had told me? This is some of the best rapping he's ever done. Oh, yeah. It's definitely up there, for sure.

And I think this kind of solidifies Drake is the best intro. Rap artist. Oh, yeah. I think that kind of goes without saying, no. Easily. Definitely. Yeah, that was a stamp for me. But Demaris, we got to listen to this in real time.

Well, I listened to it a few times. No, I had heard it for the first time on the stream. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I was kind of surprised it at your reaction. To what? Why would you be surprised at how much you loved it? Why would you be surprised at how much I loved it?

I just... Has there ever been a Drake album that came out that I didn't love? Yeah, for all the dogs. We can pull the clip up. No, you can put a clip up. Me and Maul loved for all the dogs. You were a bit for all the dogs. Me and Maul loved it.

Yeah, I don't like for all the dogs. But with that said, yeah, I was shocked that you had this same align with me. Went fucking seven for seven for the first ones. But what do you have some of your favorites on here? So to be fair, I don't even feel comfortable right in this album are really even picking out favorites yet

because it's a lot of fucking music. And I haven't given, I've heard Made of Honor the most. So out of the three albums, I have played Made of Honor the most. But that's just because I was outside this weekend. I was cleaning my house this weekend. Iceman is me putting in my headphones

in like commuting or driving or that kind of thing. So I haven't had the chance to really fully listen to it. But so far, all of my favorites are on Made of Honor outside of the first two songs. I'm terrible with names like mall. Make them remember? Make them cry and dust. Yeah. I love.

And there's also the Mack Dre song on there that I really, really, really, really love. Too Hard for the radio. Yes, that one. And then the ass-shaking songs from Made of Honor. my favorite ones would be Whole Face, true bestie I don't even remember the exact names of them

I love classic off Habiti it's a lot of fucking music so I'm still throughout time I will be coming back to y'all like ah this one might be my favorite now but yeah I told you all my ass can fall off

yeah same page I mean I listen to Ice Man the most because again the other two I need to hear outside or like around some women but out the gate yes classic is my favorite off that one for sure

and made of honor, I need to hear that like outside for real. I can't sit in my crib and just listens to that and fairly judge anything. But we were throwing ass to it on the stream and in Sahara. Yeah. Well, we were outside.

But I'm saying like fully I need to be at burgers and bottles to hear that type of shit. Yeah. But I would say obviously make them cry. Janet shut the fuck up, ran to Atlanta, National Treasure, too hard for the radio. I think all those are going to play outside.

I think L'Berty would even play outside I think he has the good mix of those type of records and then the make them series which is for people like me Make them cry What is it?

Make them cry Make them remember Make them know Firm Friends is one of my favorite conductor beats in a while Like that I love the Firm Friends beat

Yeah pause on Firm Friends though Drake That's a crazy name for a song Firm Friends Yeah It's wild You got a nasty brain I do

that's weird that's weird that's weird my one mom I know you've had some of this album for quite

some time so you've lived with it more than we have what are your favorites on ice man

um probably janis today okay and shabang obviously make them pay make them cry I think that's

some of the best rap and Drake has one of the craziest bars I think in rap one of the slickest bars in rap history

I make them pay for sure Which bar would be? The Aiden Ross. Sorry, we're talking about that on stream. No, seriously, that's one of the slickest bars in rap history. You know, first of all, Drake didn't write that. The universe wrote this.

You know what had to happen for that bar to like, just think about that. You know what had to happen for that ball to happen? Well, I had to happen, Mark. Okay, so two people had to meet up and make love and have a kid named Aidan Ross. You think he was made out of love? And then that kid, Aiden Ross had to grow up, that kid Aiden Ross had to grow up and become a streamer. Mm-hmm. Right?

Mm-hmm. And then he had to get a steak deal and meet Drake. There's a lot of things that had to happen for that bar to happen, which is why that bar is one of the slickest bars in rap. Listen, when Drake played that, imagine hearing that song and then you can't tell nobody about that song. Yeah. No, it's great.

Like, when I heard that song and I heard that bar, I was just like, all right, man. Like, how am I supposed to, like, just keep this, like, under rap? Like, I just heard some of the greatest rap from one the greatest artist in the history of music and I can't tell nobody about this shit. But also you forgot the other side of that. You told the Aiden Ross life story. I think some other medical help needs to happen as well to bring that bar together. Someone needs aid. Well, yes. I mean, that's what I'm saying. The universe had to had the universe, the

universe. It wasn't Drake. Drake didn't write that bar. It was the universe. But yeah, to me, I'm I'm, again, I'm still living with the album. It's, again, a lot of music. I think these albums, all three of them are going to sound better as time goes on. As time passes, I think the music is going to sound better, especially Made of Honor and Habibti. I think those two albums are going to sound better. The Iceman album, I think people already get it. Yeah, right to the point.

I think people feel that that music already. Made of Honor, Habibti, by the time people look up and they're coming. kind of like, oh shit, like you're outside moving around and you start seeing him to like at the, at the after party, shout out Noel and Mark. Noel was playing, I think, Hophase. And at first, because it's like, you got to shout out to Gordo, too. Gordo's very talented. Because at first you got to kind of like catch the beat. And it's like the way it starts and then the way it goes into is something totally

different. But you can see the women like, because, because Noel played, he bought it. back a couple times. So you can see the women catching it like and they kind of giving each other that look like, oh, this is going to go crazy. Yeah. And that's where I think a lot of people going to do with those albums. Once you start moving around and, you know, outside and get to live with the music a little bit, I think those songs are going to start to land and hit you. Um, you know, once again, you just, you kind of get the ice man. I think everybody unanimously. Again, there's people that hate it. But that's part of it. You know what I mean? That's even that. Even people that hate,

you know what I'm going to start doing? What? I think we got to. I think we got to to start, because again, all of this is preference and taste, right? When people be like, I don't like this, I don't like that. And sometimes we don't understand it because some of us are just unanimously, unanimously sometimes, like, this is incredible. I want to start asking people when it's like

undeniable, great, dope shit in front of them, when they be like, no, I don't like that. We got to dig deep and ask other questions. Like, yo, what's your favorite restaurant? Okay. Like, what's your house smell like? What's your favorite? What's your favorite? What's your favorite? You got to, you got to get more. into the person. And then you'll start to understand why this doesn't, whatever it is, whether

it's Iceman or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, why this doesn't land with them? Like, why don't you like this? How can you not appreciate this music and this, in this level of artistry? How does this not resonate with you? I can understand how things cannot resonate with people. Me too. No, I get it. People have to learn to say is that things aren't like, this isn't bad just because you don't resonate with it. Just say it's not for you. And that's okay. Sometimes shit, this ain't for you. Yeah, like, I do that old time with Cardi. Playwood Cardi.

I don't understand it. It doesn't resonate with me. I get that he's a star. I get that he has an insane following. It's just that it doesn't resonate with me. I'm not saying it's bad, it's terrible. Just for me, it just doesn't, that that's not where I am. Now, with this Drake album, though, if you're a Drake fan, if you've ever been a fan of Drake,

I don't know how this is not already one of your favorite Drake albums ever. I don't, I don't understand. Like this, from top to bottom, like where we said, Which one, no, it's three hours. So I don't, I was going to say I don't want to talk about all the hours. No, no, no, I'm talking to my ice man. I'm talking about Iceman. Okay.

Iceman to me is easily, like, made of honor and Habibti is just Drake showing off, showing his range of the type of music and the sound and the energy that he can create. That's just him. He didn't have to throw the pass behind his back, but he did. You know what I'm saying? It's like you could have just handed it off. But that's him just styling and showing you, oh, I can do all of that. Let me see what y'all going to say now.

I'm checking all the boxes, like you said, Roy, I'm giving you some of this. I'm giving you some of that. I'm being vulnerable. You know, the production is better than it's ever been. You know, like I can still dominate the charts whenever I drop. Clearly, the last two years, you see what the culture sounded like without me. Like, okay, let me fill this space for you again. And let me give you all of this music so that no matter where you go,

you're going to hear me somewhere whether there's something off a BT whether there's something off Iceman whether there's something off made of honor wherever you move forward now where you're traveling vacation and party and whatever you're doing you're going to hear Drake

and that's what he's showed with this release like I'm going to do everything with this release I think that everything would rollouts change after this if you're one of those artists the top artists you now have to completely change the way you roll out and present music.

You have to. And what change in what way? Be specific about that. You have to be more creative in your rollout. You have to do things that kind of like, you know, create a new way. Like you have to. Otherwise, it's not going to be as entertaining. It's not going to be as fulfilling.

It's going to just feel like, oh, yeah, I'm okay, you recorded an album, you released it. Okay, but entertain us even through the release. Give us something that we never got from you. Again, show us a different thing. Like, this is just, again, everybody can't afford to do what Drake did, obviously. But the big dogs, the top artists, I think the days of just creating the album and saying, hey, my release date is this and just released at a midnight. I just think that that's, it's going to feel a little bland now at this point.

I do hear you, but I think the artist at his level still needs to reflect who they are. like Cole for example and it's not the tip for tat or anything to do with the battle. Cole to me, his rollout for fall off was incredible because it was true to him and his story. If he did some over the top shit, and I'm not saying that a bad way because I thought Drake's rollout was incredible. If he did some super over the top thing, it wouldn't feel like Cole. Like it'd feel like he's trying to hard. Like this isn't even you.

You don't even do this type of shit. I think rollout still need to be authentic to who you are. Oh, you know, for sure. And Drake is a moment guy where it needs to be a. spectacle. Well, it needs to feel like the biggest thing. It was something totally different because of everything that had happened. Obviously, everything, like things were different this time around.

But I'm saying if you're one of the top artists in the world, I think the days of just announcing a release date and then your album being available for streaming at midnight, I just think that that's, it kind of is just like, where's the effort in it now? It has to be, it has to be something different now. I think that's what Drake, he made this moment like, there has to be, we have to change. things. Things have to change. It's the same run of the mill over and over and over, which is why music started to feel boring, which is why the energy was lacking, which is why, you know, you need moments. You need things to kind of remember that time of when, okay, we got this. Like, you need

something, like again, like where we said, be true to who you are as an artist. Like, you know, don't do nothing that's outside of your wheelhouse. But there has to be something. It has to be, the entertainment level has to rise a little bit more. I mean, I hear you, but I feel like- Which is why we get albums and they come and go. But no, but no, we get albums and they come and go because they're not always the greatest albums. I feel like I hear you, but like we always say

the musical will speak for itself. I feel like with these three albums, the music does speak for itself. I appreciate the spectacle. I'm a spectacle-ass bitch, but I don't think that it's necessary. I think him and other artists that follow after him, if the music can stand on its own,

the music can stand on its own. Well, first and foremost, the music has to be good. You can't have an amazing rollout and the music be trash. But an amazing rollout will help a lot of trash music stay relevant. We sat here and praised. We sat here and praised the clips for their rollout. And like Roy and I said, they just did the traditional rollout.

But it was like, it was so everybody was like, oh my God, it was so amazing. It was like, bro, you know, this is how things used to be. Like it used to be this. You get what I'm saying? So now, obviously with the Iceman release, it was different because one, Drake is different. And the circumstances are different. And the moment is different. And things like that.

The energy is different. So it doesn't have to be on that. level. I'm just saying that there has to be more attention to detail. Because again, we sat back for the last year and a half, two years, no Drake, everybody saying music is boring. These are artists saying it. Music is boring. We missing this energy. We need this. We need this. Like, you know, Drake and Future being back together. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like those things it's part of like what the gap was. Yeah. And why is there a gap when only one artist, decides to fall back and lock in and go into his back cave and create an amazing piece of art.

Like, why is it, why does music suffer so much when just one person decides that he's going to fall back and create something and give everybody else time to do their thing? Why does music feel like it's missing so much just because one person decided to fall back for two years? I mean, I think it's probably because his peers don't make the outside time. music that Drake does. So that's where the gap was. I think plenty of rap fans felt like music wasn't missing when they had G&X and fall off. There was just a specific part, which is a huge part of hip-hop, which is outside. What am I listening to outside? And Drake at a way higher clip makes that type of music amongst his peers better than anyone else at the volume that he does it.

So yeah, there was definitely a part missing, but I wouldn't say music completely felt like it was off. No, because that would... The clips album, again, we praised. Like, there was still stuff, but you did see the gap as far as those moments where, like, we need to hear this song around people. That kind of was missing. Music was boring.

It was getting there, yeah. It was very boring. Rap in particular. How much? It was very boring. Well, you can't. There was a great... I think last year was a great...

Praise the Don Tolliver album, the way that y'all did and say that everybody hears it outside. Thank God Don Tolliver released that. I imagine if he didn't. release album. But you have Don Tolliver, you have Gunner, granted, Drake makes music. I feel like stuff is missing because Drake makes music for the women. So I hear you on that. But y'allrae, y'allra, y'allis, guna.

There were a couple albums that you, the clips. Like, there were a couple rap albums in the past year. Yeah, like, as far as outside music. Well, not the clips, the clips is not outside. I mean, a lot of, a lot of the projects I loved last year. And I even said, I thought 2025 was an

incredible year for rap. And I think I think boring is maybe the wrong word because like I loved the Clitch Chance Waleigh Larry June 2 chains Mobb Deep Freddie Gibbs Mac Miller JID Nick Grant like there was plenty of great projects everything Mass Appeal did but as far as like what

Damaris and I did on Friday night yeah it was there was no music play there was no music to shake ass it was just the energy it was just the energy there was a specific part of life that got very boring listen we both just we all sat back the last two years and we lived it and we were together the most of the last two years amongst each other.

And it is what it is. You only heard music that was a couple years old when you were outside. That is what I'm saying. That is very much of... It's just, you know, it is what it is. Like, you know, we just got to face the facts and speak to the facts. And the fact of the matter is an artist like Drake is absolutely the one artist that dominates the space. Yeah.

And I hear you on the rollout thing. I would just... I'd be scared for artists to do a... rollout like that in the music. No, no, no. Why? Like, imagine. You keep saying a rollout like that.

I don't want nobody to try to do this. I'm just saying there has to be something else other than my album at midnight. Here's the link. It has to be something else. It has to be. Yeah. But you have to rely on the music being good if you're going. Oh, the music all first and foremost always has.

Because like imagine. Because Drake did all of that. And Iceman wasn't dope. You know what I'm saying? But the fact that he rolled it out the way he did. And then did what he did with the three albums. Now, I got a question, you bum-ass, nigga. You knew it was three albums this whole time?

Of course I did. That's wow. You see, I ain't, you can't trust him. You can't? Obviously, you can. Actually, kind of the opposite. Obviously you can. I could trust you, nigga, we can't.

What you mean? Was that the idea the whole time? Like, from inception of, I'm going to speak to that. I don't know that. I don't know that. Okay. I just, I just know that. For a lot. Like I said, he recorded a lot.

You know what I mean? Like he was gone, obviously for a reason. That didn't mean he wasn't creating and wasn't working. But, you know, he was, he was gone for a while and he was just recording, recording, and I guess at some point he looked up, 40 looked up. And probably Future looked up and was like, dog. Like, we have 50 records. Like, we can do, we can do like something incredible with all of this music. Like, we just got to figure out how we do it.

Yeah. But yeah, I mean, why not? He's giving us those sounds before. And again, I just think that it's, it just speaks to, you know, his creative team. It speaks to Drake's work ethic. It speaks to his artistry and his craft, his attention to detail, I think. And he even said on that one line, I think he said, what he said, isolate me was the worst decision or something shit that he said.

Like, I like the fact that he said that because it's real. It's like, here's the thing where I used to give out so much amusement. to other people, imagine now I become selfish and I keep all of this shit for myself. There's only three features on Iceman. Iceman. You get what I'm saying?

There's only three feet. Future Molly Santana and 21. Yeah. Cuevo got the adlibs on Shabang. But like this is not a feature heavy. So now imagine the guy that was once given not his favorite body else decides I'm going to keep all of these for myself, man.

I'm going to create this piece of art that is going to shake the entire industry up. And I'm definitely one of those fans that are selfish that like if my favorite artist makes heartbreak music, sometimes when I see them in a happy relationship, I'm like, damn, whatever. As much as a human being, I could say a lot of things that happened to Drake were kind of fucked up as a person this and that. As a fan, I'm sort of glad it all happened because he sounded inspired. He sounded, that was my issue with For All the Dogs. Didn't really sound like he was just an autopilot, making an album to make it, but it's Drake. So it's going to be at a high level.

But comparing him to him, I felt like it was an uninspired Drake album. Well, I said that. This felt inspired. Well, I said that. Like he needed to get pissed off again. They're calling it whining. I think he needed to get pissed off and need to prove something again. Because when for all the dogs came out, what the fuck did Drake need to prove?

He's legend. The numbers. Everything. That he could do it again. That he could keep doing it. that he could be consistent. I literally said that during the stream where Roy tried to troll me

like, oh, so you're saying like, no, like I'm happy that niggas pissed him off because he was on Inspired. I like inspired. Well, that's what I said, I don't know where we was at, but I said it was a necessary evil.

I think I said that here. Everything happens for a reason. Everything happens for a reason. And I think that Drake took his time to identify what that reason was. Because by nature, right? By nature, Drake is a nice guy. And I think in this fuck-ass industry,

you know, the thing about Drake, being a nice guys, he also happens to be probably the most talented artist of his generation. So when you're a nice guy by nature and you're the most talented guy in the room, the room being the industry, you know, sometimes, you know, you think that, you know, people appreciate you and respect you and then one day you look up and realize that, oh no, they were just using you. Yeah.

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firm offering him $2 billion or whatever for his contract. And we'll get to that. But do you think this was a better executed Scorpion? Because I look at the time he's in now and the time coming off the push a T-shirt, coming off the shop, people saying that he lost the push and he didn't keep going. The first half of Scorpion, I wouldn't say has similar content to Iceman, but it is the, hey, I'm replying to everyone that I saw say crazy shit about me. and then tried to give us the R&B side as well.

And I like Scorpion. It's not like super, super high in my Drake discography, but I do like it. To me, this was the better executed, more well-thought-out Scorpion. With doing the different sounds, separating them, replying to people while making records that will be outside. It's Scorpion on steroids to me. It's a more well-executed one, I feel like. And you just get the third one. You get the, honestly, nevermind, part two out of it as well.

This, the way people say CLB was like the quintessential, this is every Drake sound. I think these three represent that more than anything in this catalog. You get every single bit of Drake out of these, in my opinion. I'm not going to say it yet, but this might be my favorite drink album. Which one? Iceman. Okay. I'm like, three came out.

I just need this is starting. I'm on my rap. The other two is just like him just showing like I can make all kind of shit. Like there's nothing I can. It'll be your favorite Drake rap album or your favorite Drake album. Because I've seen how many hours you listen to some sexy songs for you on your rap on your rap. But that's because that's an R&B. That's like R&B.

I'm talking about when I'm talking about rap. Rap. Like I said, this is some of the best rap in Drake has ever done easily. Yeah. Make them cry. Make them pay. Those are some of the best bars he's ever written, ever recorded easily. Like I don't even think it's close.

I think that he was on another another. another level with his lyricism this album. And I also think that releasing three albums takes him away from the constraint of, like we've said before, Drake tries to he has a wide plethora of fans and he tries to please his

entire array of fans usually within a 20 track album. So when you release yourself from the shackles of that and you put three folders and it's like, no, I can rap as much as I want to without having to please the R&B the R&B crowd because I have an album for them or trying to please the

doing coke and a bees of crowd because I have an album for them. Like I feel like it kind of takes a weight off your shoulder. Like I can say whatever the fuck I want to say because I have something for them. This is for the rap fans. So I think that that helps too. Do we think outside tweaking was a little petty dig at Ice Spice? I never knew what the Ice Spice and Drake beef was. There was some something that was kind of unclear.

But I mean, we're at Stunner Sandy. people have, you know, obviously accused her of sounding exactly like Ice Spice and kind of doing like a carbon copy of it. It was the first thing that popped in my mind. Not to say that Stunned Sandy doesn't, you know, have her own fans and make her own music for the people that like that. I'm not taking away her talent. But I think it was a little ice spice dick. That's all. I don't think he thinks that much into it.

I think Drake has always, I see where you're coming from, but I think Drake has always ran to what was the newest. Like, Drake doesn't want the people who are already put on. He prefers to get people before they become popular or cool. That's been him, his whole career. And I think that just might be part of it. You didn't listen to Habiti yet? I haven't.

That's the one I've listened to the least. All right. On that joint? Fair. Made honors ones I've listened to the least. BTWMBA, Slap the City. Classic Gen 5. Fort Worth, he was growing on me.

I didn't know where Drake was taking us when he said he was lonely in America, but he landed the song. Like, when he first came on, I was a little like, okay. Niggas can't fuck for you. He can't, man, I'm telling me. He said he's lonely in America. This shit is like, for this, for this to all be the same artist making all of this music, this is fucking insane, bro. This is like, even if, even if you put an artist in a room with a bunch of producers, and they're like, okay, this is the, this is the, this is the song.

We're going to record. Like, to be able to execute it is like, bro, this is, we've never seen this before from one artist. These, like three different sounds like this. And they're all at a high level. It's not like, oh, he kind of struggled on this one. Yeah, he didn't really like, no, he really, you really would believe that this is the type of music he makes all the time. It doesn't sound like an experiment. Like, he really sounds like he lives in those worlds.

I'm queen of like, when I saw the sexy red features or heard about the sexy red features, I was like, please, God, I don't know what it is. with his sexy red is his emotional attachment dog. Like I don't, not calling her dog, but you know what I mean. But when I heard her on the songs, when I heard her on the songs, I said, I can't think of anybody else on this song the way that this is. Like, this makes sense. Like, she makes sense where she is placed. Here, what was I going to say?

Made her honor or honestly, never mind. Well, because I know you like Honestly, Nevermind. I love Honestly, Nevermind. That album is incredible. I got to, I got to listen to, I got to move around with made of honor a little more. Okay. Habibti is more R&B. So it's like, you know, I get that right away.

Made of honor is like, but I saw it. I saw glimpses of it. I saw glimpses of it. I know what it's going to do. So, Maul, how about you go outside with me and my friends. Come outside with me and my friends to play Made Honor. Oh, man. Let's get the sprinter.

It sounds like I'm going to need, I'm going to need. fucking BC powder. Mm-hmm. They're making you the made of honor. Yeah, you're going to be the bell of the ball. Yeah, yeah, that just sounds. That just, you just scared me with that one. Going outside with a bunch of like 20-something-year-olds.

Oh, thank you. Well, early 30-year-olds. So the same. Trust me, it's just a number. Yeah, it was Demaris. She had them with him. Friday night. Yeah.

Can I think about it? Because I'm tempting. You tempting the, nigga. I ain't going to lie. I'm tempted to do it. But it's just like, woo, I know what that comes with. Oh, wait, I'm going to call Major and Mitch. Me Major and Mitch and the bad bitches.

No, no, no, no. What made an honor playing and a sprinter? No, that's too much. It's too much. There's just too much shit going on. You had a time of your life. You're going to need three Red Bulls. You might need some Coke.

Yeah, it's just too much shit happening. Like, I just want to go home. I'm going to hit Mitch. I'm going to hit Mitch. We're going to set that. Take a shower and watch First 48. Man, that's what I want to do. Like, you wasn't doing it.

now I don't do that because you was over there screaming for the fireworks and shit when you was with Drake. Niggins scream for me, Mitch and Major. Yeah, that's my guy.

I was happy for my guy. See, why when I, why when I show him happy for a friend? Like, see, it's a problem. But if I'm sitting there

and I ain't say, it's like, oh, this nigga it's either one way or another. Either y'all, there's a middle ground and you went about it ain't no middle ground.

It ain't, because that laugh. Would you tell her the middle ground doesn't exist? You're either glazing or you hate it. You're either glazing or hating. You're either glazing or hating. The middle ground exists.

There's no middle ground. It was the reverb on the laugh. It was the reverb on the, yeah. Echo. Yeah. Basically see the echo moving. It was a lot behind that. It was a lot behind that.

Yeah. A C note on that one. Yeah. It was a lot behind that. Yeah. You got to understand what was going on. Everything that happened for that moment to happen. You're enamored by the fireworks?

No, I was happy for my guy, man. You know what I'm saying? I was happy for me. Anytime you're a creative and, you know, obviously, we're creators and to think of something and be able to put it together and execute it and it goes the way you that's not easy to do especially on that scale so to see to see it happen to see you know somebody you respect and somebody you fuck with execute something that they've worked on for a long time and like for it to finally be done and it was like that laugh was a lot of

things that we spoke about in private like you know what I'm saying it was like all right nigg it was a victory laugh he kept telling he kept saying like yo this shit, you know, you don't even understand what's about to happen. Ryan, can you play the laugh for me, please? I said, okay, cool. Mallet never giggled his horror when he was with me. It was that part. It was that, it was a lot of whys on the yeah.

I was, yeah. Stop it. Like, if you were to text that, yeah, how many whys do you think of the movie? Yo, like, I thought, when I first saw a video, I was playing the on mute, I was like, oh, Maul hanging with Drake, whatever. And then the second time I played it and I just heard the yeah. And I'm like, all, that nigg was too excited. It was when I let it play

and I heard that echo and laugh. I said, all right, this why they call. You can't even be happy for your friends anymore. You can't be happy for your friends no more. It was a double year. I mean, I guess because there's three albums you wanted to give an extra year. But if you heard Rory

do that year with them laughs. You would tear Rory up for at least a week. You just got to eat it. Yeah, of course. Yeah. You're supposed to tear me up for them. Yeah. What you did on Patreon.

That's why I'm chilling now. I got all my jokes. Yeah, I'm not saying. I'm not saying that you ain't supposed to tear me up. Okay, good. As long as you don't. So I love, but yeah, not. Just know it was a lot behind that.

Like, yeah. No, for sure. Yeah, congrats on doing exactly what you said you was going to do and being exactly who you said you are. Salute to that. Yeah, every time. And I wanted to kill Moll again, which we did on Patreon. But I was secretly jealous that you got to hang out with Shane Gillis.

Shane, shout to Shane Gillis, man. I was kind of hating on the low like, damn. Morgis hang out with Shane. Shout to Shane Gillis, man. Shout to Shane. Shane is like, he's peed, bro. That's why we were talking on the phone. I say the same,

the same demeanor. Same like, you know when you and somebody only like catch something, it's like, he just happens to be one of the funniest guys in the world right now. So shout out to Mark. Mark was trying to introduce Shane to Noel. I think when Noel was DJing, right?

So, you know, Shane was going over saying was up to the guys and shit. So me and him was talking. So then like Mark was trying to get Noel's attention to say what's up to Shane. But Mark was in his own kind of twisted, still DJed. So then Shay, she was standing there like this with his cup, right?

And he just looked at me. He was like, I don't think this guy's interested in meeting me. Yo, but I knew he was feeling it because I'm looking. I'm like, yo, Noel don't want to meet nobody. He's drunk. He DJing. He partying. It's like,

this ain't the time to meet nobody and shake hands. And what time you get your self-respect back? Like after the third like, you know. Yeah. And I'm just standing there. I'm just like, I want to turn around right now. I'm not that important of a person to meet. I guess it's a party.

Like, let him, you know, have his fun. But now, Shane was cool. Shout to Shane Gillisman. Shout to Katie, too. Katie was there. Katie said he's going to come on the pod and talk some shit. We had some interesting conversations. Yeah.

The fans are owed a good Rory Mall, Katie, rap debate. I don't want to talk about basketball, nothing. All I like to do is argue with Katie about music. Yeah, no, we was talking, man. Katie has some interesting things to say to me. Like, it's interesting. But I fuck with Katie. That's my name, man.

But he said he's going to come kick with us. So it was just pretty much his crew, Katie, Shane. It was just the crew, man. It was just, you know, his home team, you know, again, I think this era of Drake is very isolated with just the people he loves and trusts and, you know, family. I think that's what this era of Drake is. Well, Toronto being, you know, the capital of beautiful women, I'll say. Toronto is one of my favorite cities in the world, man. Most beautiful women I've ever seen.

A lot of culture. What was the ratio like that? And of course, you know, women like Drake and it's a party and it's Toronto. Oh, the after party was cool. It was a nice vibe in there. Good vibe in there, man. You shot out of shots. Drake gave away a bunch of Chanel bags and shit like that.

You know, just Drake shit. Just ladies take a raffle ticket. And if Noel calls your number, you got a new Chanel. Just a regular night with OVO. You know how that shit go. That nigga giving out Chanel's like napkins. You know, rich people get so bored. Oh, man.

One girl went crazy. She got, she won that shinell. She started crying and shit. Like, God, damn. Oh, that's embarrassing, bro. I mean, you know, is it? Yes. I mean, you know, that's embarrassing.

Like, come on now. Go in a bathroom to cry. Shouldn't anybody see you crying. She was crying right there. She ain't give a fuck. I got to ask that were any men in the line to get the Chanel raffle ticket? Oh, you know they see you. No man could get no raffle ticket.

Yo, imagine if a guy went up to the table. That's not happening, bro. It was a good night, though, man. Good vibes, good energy. There's a lot of love. And again, shout out to the OVO family, man. It's always good seeing. them and just always love and respect

whenever I get to see those guys. So salute to the man. Congrats to them, man. You know, again, something major. Salute to Drake for doing everything he said he would and, you know, creating something, a moment that I don't think we'll forget in music that I think will age

gracefully as well. I think the music is only, these three albums are only going to sound better as time goes on. How do we think he's going to do the tour? And we will move on, but it was, you know, obviously a big moment. It's a big moment. It's the biggest. moment. How do we think he does this, this tour? I almost feel like he needs to split it up the way he split the albums up. Like, I'm not saying straight, a blueprint, reasonable doubt,

different nights in Yankee Stadium, but you could do the rap night. You could do the R&B night. You could do international music night. That's insane. I said years ago, Drake should do a woman only tour, ladies only. That would be good. I definitely stir up Fox News of, you know, Is this equal? Is this allowed? It fits a lot of people. He's the only artist I think that can pull that off. Chris Brown could pull it off.

Chris Brown could definitely pull it off. Well, I'm to my rap. Oh, okay. To my rap. Yeah. I think that that should be, that's like a different type of flex, like women only at the shows.

But then it gets confusing. With that community? That's when you got to tell. How are we checking? You got to tell them to call. That's what I've said. In theory. it's a great idea, but there's just so many factors in it that is just going to get somebody in

trouble and maybe just leave it alone. But there could be a cool way for him to split up maybe like in the major cities like Barclays is the R&B shit to rap for the garden. Like it could be cool for something like that, I feel like. Live stream it, like him leaving one stadium. That would be hard. Going to the other like for the ice man. Yeah. And then go there for Habibt's women only. That would be cool. I think he has an opportunity to, you know, So you're very creative with the store. No, for sure. I mean, I think that's the zone reason.

I think he's just another level of creativity, another level of entertainment. I think that's where he's at. You're going to actually ask for my tickets this time. You ain't asked last time. I get it was a tense time. Like, you're actually going to ask this time. Sending me that aisle emoji in my DM ain't going to mend nothing. Yo.

They said worried when I sent it. That's hilarious. I have never sent Trick and out. I will let you guys go through my DMs with drink. You could scroll through the years of them. That's an owl, I promise you there's not an owl. I promise you there's not an owl.

There's some arguments. There's no ow. You know what it is? You know the little egg with the chicken that's about the hatch. That's what he said. That's his birth as an owl. That's what he said.

Nurture not nature. Oh, my God. No, I have not. But hatching. Oh, and everybody was killing me. I'm here for my flowers. I told you this nigga did not speak to Jay Cole. Y'all like, nah.

Cole said they spoke. He went on so and so and said, I mean, why would I get here? Why would I sit up here a lot of people? Like, just, I wouldn't do that. You lied before? Lied? I may have been wrong about something. I've never lied.

Okay, all right, you're right. Lying is cool. Me sitting up here knowing I'm lying is crazy. I've never done that. All right, don't, Martin, for some weekends you told us you was alone. You wasn't alone. We've all lied on this podcast before. Oh, about my dick game?

Yeah, I'm lying about that. I'm talking about, like, shit that people really care about. Like, y'all just be nosy trying to know what I'm fucking. I'm not telling you. y'all yeah i don't think you left that after party alone i'll tell you that oh for a shit show no i definitely did for sure okay but then they just met you at the hotel no you left them no i went i went back to the room and i ordered some fucking room service and went to sleep yeah for sure well i will give you your flowers that pretty much everything that you did say on the spot that you did get

killed for it turned out to be 100% right so no but they're not but they're not but they don't care but they don't care about that at this point it's still going to be i don't want those flowers that flowers. Donate them, send the extra dollar when you check out at CVS to starving children around the world. St. Jude's? Yeah, St. Jude's. I don't want no flowers. Like, fuck your flowers. That's that's the mode I'm in. Dragging is Iceman mode. I mean, fuck them flowers. I don't want them flowers. Fuck that. Okay. Is there any truth that you're aware of of this private equity move now that he's out of his deal allegedly? I don't know nothing about that. Okay. Because I know that. I know that whatever he end up getting. He's, he going to shake the world. I know that.

Everything changes. There was no like reputable source that was putting this out. It's never a reputable source if it didn't come from him. Allegedly he is now completely done with his UMG obligations. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true either. But I can definitely see a bunch of private equity firms obviously wanting to invest in the future career of Drake. UMG is going to do everything in their powers to make Drake happy and not losing.

That's what's That means if Drake If Drake holds up five fingers It says that's what that's all he got That's his negotiation Five We know what letters after the five We don't even have to talk about that

Just hold up five fingers And I think Universal says Done You think Universal would give an artist $5 billion? I think they will give Drake $5 billion $5 billion I think they will give Drake $5 billion

Because if they'll give you two or three What's the difference? Oh, two or three. It's a lot of this. No, it's not. At that level, no, it's not. You give me $3 billion.

You can give me $5 billion. I don't know how billion. You think they don't have it. You're like, ah, that's a little stretch. No, Universal. How much money do you think Drake has generated for fucking UMG over the year? Over $5 billion. Exactly.

So what are we talking about? Why are we saying that? What I'm saying is crazy? Oh, because we've never seen one artist get that. I understand that part of it, yes. I think you're missing what we're saying. But I think y'all are missing. We think that Universal has $5 billion.

I don't. I need, okay. Hold on. What? No, no, wait. Okay. I hear you all right.

But the difference between two and three million is completely different from, is than the difference between one and two billion. Like two and three million? Like they're like, what I'm saying is the difference. So when we hear like, oh, if they could give me $5 million, they can give me $7 million, for sure, right? There's not that big of a difference between $5 and $7 million. There is a very big difference between $3 and $5 billion.

I just. No, it's not. At that level, if you at that level, we at the negotiating table and they put three on the table, they got five. I'm not saying what they have and what they'll give. They got five. They're going in there like, yo, we're going to give them five, but let's shoot the three. Your job is to negotiate up to the five.

That's called negotiation. They got it. They got it. No, I'm not saying. What I'm saying is there's just, let's not say there's not a big difference. Seriously. I'm saying at that level. Humongous.

This is a humongous difference between $100 million and a billion. Yes. but if you're offering me three billion and I want five, we already having a billion dollar conversation. Like, what's the difference? I hear you. Now trillion, oh, yeah, now we're going to hold on the ballpark. But all right.

I mean, AI says that UMG is worth $45 billion. So we're not saying... So now I say to you, DeMaris, if Drake walks in and you are in danger of losing this artist to go independent and make all of this money, and he wants five billion. and you're worth $45 billion. You don't give him $5 billion?

Oh, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying there's a... No, I'm asking you. I just want the sheer, like the sheerity numbers of, I just want us to be. At that level, there's no difference. It's just called dragging your nuts. There's no difference. There's no difference at that level between $3 billion or $5 billion.

We already having a billion dollar conversation. There's no difference. Now, if you're walking in there with $100 million and somebody coming in there with a billion, yeah, it's a difference there. but we're already negotiating billions of dollars. My ego says I want five. What you're going to do? Let me walk out of here?

I'd prefer for him to take the three with a private equity and see where that goes. I think he'd probably make more money with a private equity company. I mean, then you're getting into the nuances of just business. I'd love to see what an artist like Drake leaving a major would look like. Sometimes you got to sit down at the table where,

you know, people pulled a little funny move and, you know, you just got to watch some sweat. a little bit. You know what I'm saying? That's just called negotiation, Roy. Sit at the table with the people that did some dirty shit and pulled a funny style move and just watch them beg. Sometimes

you got to do that. It'd be so cool to be Drake's lawyer right now. I get 5% or whatever you pick. It would be so cool to be Drake's lawyer on any day. Just keep me on retainer. Yeah, I don't even know what if 5% or whatever the fuck that level of lawyering is.

I don't even know what those deals look like. I think he gets it. I mean, we'll see. I'm very interested just as a music nerd where that goes. Because it is? As far as he goes. What he chooses, yeah. Because either way, he's going to make more money than he needs.

But I think what that looks like if he's independent with just private equity backing him, I want to know what that looks like in this day and age. And that's the thing. And that's what I was trying to explain to the Maris or so many words is at this point, It's just all about, you know, the number is the number. He can already afford himself a life of luxury forever. It's not even about now. It's just about the status. Yeah.

But see, I'm- Now everybody knows the deal and sees it and sees it happen. And I'm the first, you know, artists to ever receive a deal like this. It's that. It's not about, yes, the money obviously is, come on, we're talking about billions of dollars. We know that. But what I'm saying is, to your point,

what can he do with that deal that he hasn't already done? it would be the first time an artist of that level would not be under a major and I'm very curious what that would do to the music industry oh no you told me i'm saying as far as if if the umg deal if they give him yeah that money that's just a stat oh for sure and but i'm not i'm not one of those people i'm a capitalist in that regard if a rich person has this type of market value and we're looking like does he need any more money not fuck that you should get what you're owed for what you do. I don't care if you have a billion dollars. If you're bringing in 10, 15% of UMGs, and please don't quote me on that stat, I'm really just talking

right now. If you're bringing in 10% 15% of an entire company's like revenue stream and then you crunch those numbers, yeah, you need to be paid that. I don't care of you're a billionaire already. Exactly. You're owed that shit. That's, and I don't know if that's like capitalism, but no, that's how it works. Pay us what you owe us. Pay us what you. Pay us. Pay us what you. owe us. You got it. I generated it. I want some of it back. Yeah. And what I was supposed to have a sob story for UMG that's worth $45 billion. I think they need to pay everybody more. But, you know, we'll see where that goes. That is going to be one of the biggest deals. I don't mean money-wise. I just mean in general for the music business. Then I think Mike versus Sony,

like this is like industry changing shit, depending on where this go. Absolutely. This changes everything. But like not even, and that's just on the business side. Yeah. I'm saying all around, I think what he's doing is changing everything. It's changing music. It's changing the way, you know, artists create and, you know, the way you roll out your music and it's all of those things, man. I think it's all, I think a lot of, a lot of things change Thursday night. I think that everybody, all, you know, all the artists that are, you know, the artists that we all look to and like, that's the biggest artist in the world. I think every one of them were inspired in some form of fashion and all of them sat down with their creative circle and

started thinking after that. And then once, you know, the deal happens or whatever after that, then it's a whole other part of the think tank like, holy shit. If that's going to set off a, you know, that's a domino effect after that. For sure. You got to think about what artists like a bad bunny or somebody when they come to the table now, what they're going to negotiate. Well, I mean, I think some of the majors are already a little nervous by all the private equity buying up the artist, their artist portion of their publishing. Right. Because private equity sees the value in owning a catalog now that things can be streamed and

up all right to different places. And there's a dollar value every time it's played somewhere. It's part of content. So that's why I'm saying if Drake is backed by private equity where he doesn't have to live within the major label rules. Everything changes. That's why I'd rather him do that than get $5 billion from UMG and everything kind of just stays the same.

That's all. You want to see the shift happen. Hell yeah. I agree. like that. Yeah, absolutely. Mall, today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet, Florida Sportsbook. I was going crazy over the weekend with Preakness. And I turned out, I did a, I did, hi, man. Made a little coin? Yeah, it was my first time betting on the ponies, yeah. And I had fun doing it.

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Dr. Shy Ann Bryant went on the Breakfast Club and a couple other platforms that I saw the clips. I'll be truthful with you guys. I did not know who this was until all of this has been going viral. people went asking her to show her doctorate degree degrees degrees i'm sorry she had multiple my apologies and if there was any legitimacy to them and we don't even know that because she can't even provide them she went on the breakfast club and gave a little bit more insight because the other clips i saw people would interview her and be like hey can you just like show people a degree what's the big deal with that and she'd say things like i only answer to god i don't need to answer to

humans about my degree, which I mean, if I'm going into a doctor's office, I don't care what the practice is. I feel like you owe God and us your degree. That's a pretty fair ask. But she explained on the breakfast club that the school that she went to just disappeared. They ran out of funding. And then some other company kept the records of her degree, but only for two years. And it was past the limitations. So that no longer exists. So she can't pull her degree. and they even offered in the financial aid office to give her her money back for her degree. So all of this really seems like it's checking out.

The third, mind you, they sent the records to a third party. She's saying that the third party offered her money back because they didn't have her records. That makes no fucking sense. To me, no disrespect to Dr. Shai and Brian, but that makes no sense. I'm just reporting what she said on the breakfast club. I have no idea what the fuck y'all are talking about.

I'm learning. I'm hearing all in real time. I'm just telling you that financial aid, if there's one thing they're never going to do, even if they're wrong, is give you your money back. Number two, if you finish a program and get a degree and they don't have the degree,

they don't pay you back. This is not really how things work. I mean, I can laugh at her just tripling down on all of this and in continuing on that she is, she has multiple degrees and she only answers to God. but I mean, she even said, you've seen my sessions live. You was talking to Shannon Sharp about like being choked during sex. I don't know what sessions we're talking about here.

Here's the thing about media. And I just don't even want to make this about her because we're in this, this world of being media personalities too. You can't lie about your credentials or falsely lead people to a promised land that's not there. We say all the time we're just people who like music. We don't know everything. We don't have all the inside knowledge. We have some.

But there's plenty of shit we don't know. And sometimes it's okay just to give your opinion. I'm not going to present my opinion like it's a fact. And even if I present my opinion about an album, it's not going to affect anyone's life. If I go see a doctor, I'm there for a reason. That could actually directly affect my life if you are not who you say. you are. Yeah. I think that's a fair assessment. I need you to be who you say you are. Yeah. And I mean, of course, that goes without saying with medical doctors, but even with

therapists. Like, she claims to do child and family therapists and, like, has clients and runs a bit. Like, that's, that's illegal. Like, you're fucking with people's lives. Well, to be fair, you don't need, you don't need a doctorate to do that. Like, true. You can do honestly, you could be do that with a two-year degree, maybe even a four-year degree. Maybe even a four-year. You don't need a doctorate to do that. But putting the doctor before your name, and this is all alleged because, like I said, I do not know that beautiful woman. This could be true. But putting the doctor before your name, you lead with that as your tag name, as your main name, because you know that it gives people a sense of credibility when it comes towards you.

Like, it gives you a sense of credibility when it comes to people. So they're more likely to listen to what you're saying because you're showing yourself to be that. You don't have the same energy for Dre. Who? Dr. Dray. Like, where's your energy for him? I have no energy for Dr. Dr.

Or Dr. J. Like, all he did was play basketball. So, like, I hear you, but, I mean, why are we giving this woman all this flack when I know plenty of doctors that, that they're personalities. Maybe she's a personality playing a doctor. Okay, well, they say that then.

I don't think Dr. Dre would ever look me in my face and be like, nah, I got degrees. You don't know about him? No. You think I would, if I ever saw Dr. Umar would not refer to him as Dr. Umar, you got me fucked. I would 100% so, Dr. Umar, hello. Dr. Umar is, has his doctorate. I don't know.

He's provided all the, the, he has his doctorate. Oh. If he didn't, they would have exposed that. No, yeah, he has his doctor. Now, they say he's scammed in other ways. They say he collected all that money. But at school, that school was never built. I don't know a lot about that thing.

But no, Dr. Umar has a doctorate in psychology. Oh, then yeah, she looks crazy. I mean, What was my man named the young boy that said he was a doctor? Oh, I could see his I could see his name.

He got the picture like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got the glasses. He got the sick of shit off in history probably, though. He put on like a, it was a legit, like Halloween costume

that you put on. Can you type in doctor, that shit was? Fake black doctor. Jesus piece. Pease. As a white man, you typed in fake black doctor.

Dr. Omar would not be happy about that. Yeah, this guy, fake teen doctor. Who was his name? Malachi Love Robinson. Of course his little name is Love. Malachi Love. Well, Love Robinson is hyphenated.

So it sounds like those are his two last names. Yeah. Well, yeah, he was arrested for this. But he was really taking like payments. Yeah, he was taking money. He was arrested for fraud and larceny after he was accused of using one of his clients' checking accounts to pay off $34,000 in car payments. Oh. Yeah.

Damn, they didn't even catch them for the fake doctor shit. He did some fraud. And they was like, oh, and you a fake doctor, too? No, no, that was, he was arrested again for that. Oh, okay, okay. Repeat offender. Yeah. No, he's, he's the real life Catch Me If You Can.

He was sentenced to five years in prison with four of those being suspended. That's crazy. Well, the Catch Me if you can, I know the movie dramatized that real story a bit. That is a real guy. But he's also a scammer in himself, so he may be scamming about his scam story. Oh, yeah, 100%. But, I mean, in the movie, he was a doctor at one point. But all he did was, like, run the schedule, but not.

I still like, if I come in with a stab wound, let me see your degree. Like, I need to know that this is a legitimate place. Yeah. Hey, man, she getting their money and let's be honest. This is going to sound nasty, but I don't give a fuck. If y'all are so easily tricked by slick words from people who speak on mics, us included, then that's how you. If you are taking life advice.

We're not scamming anyone. I know, we're not. But she's also not taking money. Like, she's just going around. she's a media personality. So it's not like she out here like really like grifting, grifting, she's a media person. I'm sure she has some type of paid fucking platform or a patron. I'm sure she has something like that.

But if you are taking life advice from people on the fucking internet who you do not have their degree or are paying them anything, that's who you're taking life advice from and you're taking it seriously, then I'm not mad at them at them. Yeah, I'm not here to debate who people get their advice from on the internet. internet because we could go in circles about that. But I mean, Kevin Samuels never said he was a doctor. Like, that's the difference. Yeah, for sure. It's like, she doesn't need that doctor.

Like, is that the allure? Because I think people are easily persuaded to your point when you can talk very well. And especially if you're leaning in the mental health world, yes, you could easily get people to subscribe to whatever you want to subscribe to without you saying you're a doctor. Like, you could still do that. You're a pretty woman who knows how to use her,

well, that was about to sell. You're a pretty woman who knows how to use her words, and you do have some type of education. People will listen to you. The doctor is unnecessary. Where's Argosi University? Argosi, I don't know. California? Yeah.

That should look like a Chipotle. It's a Seattle. There's one in. Oh, so Seattle. Multiple locations. Yes. She went to this. Okay.

Well, that one in Seattle was permanent. closed. No, they're all permanently closed. Is there any other doctors, though, that, like, do we know, like, go to notable alumni. Can we scroll down to that on Wikipedia, please? Every school has notable alumni on their Wikipedia. I need to know. Who else went here? Malachi loves. Fauci. Phauchy definitely went there. Oh, they had mad campus. First of all, I'm not going to hold you even if she did get her doctor.

I don't want no therapist who went to a chain school. Like they got red lobster locations like online Phoenix Pittsburgh Art Institute of Hollywood Art Institute. There's like 15. You hate no alma mater. Don't do that. You said what? You hate no alma mater. Don't do that. That's crazy.

I go to their homecoming every October. Why the fuck they got so many campuses? I love the noops over there. Yo, we got a The noops are heavy over there. Yeah. And I'm sure half those locations. Like, you know how some people use

PO boxes for like their LLCs and their business? Like, it's not a real location. You just got a mailbox there. Yeah. That's my guess with all those locations. What the fuck? Listen, man. To take it all the way to doctor, ask some shit like that is crazy. Now I believe her that they only have her records for two years. shit.

But don't you have your degree? Granted, I didn't graduate college, so I have no reason to even laugh at this. But don't you get a degree? Like would you misplaced it? They mail it to your house. And it's like legit. Like they can look at it and be like, this is a degree.

If I went to school for that long to the point where I had a fucking doctorate, I'm going to make sure I have my degree. I'm not going to wait. Especially if you're on social media and, you know, you're becoming a personality. Like you got to understand that people are going to look for those things at some point and be like, yo, wish you went to school at.

Doctorate? Okay, let's wear. You got to know people are going to dig. They're going to look for it. So, you know. But I saw one tweet, is this, she was on basketball wives before she was a doctor? Is that how people know her? Oh, I don't know.

I'm out the loop. I have no clue. The first time I saw her was talking to, it had to be some, some man. It was some man with a mic. No, I don't know who it was. Yeah. She appeared on basketball wives, but she provides mental health commentary and life coaching. Listen, anyone can be a life coach and cool.

If you can get people to coach. Great. Yeah, we're just landing on the doctor board. But that's not like, you can't dance this much with something you could just provide. Like, that's kind of crazy. Yeah, but she has come on and says she's not a licensed therapist. She has come out plenty of times to say I'm not licensed because I can work differently without a license than I can with.

When you have a license, you're held to certain ethics standards. Yeah. I know therapists like that as well. And I've been to a bunch of different therapists. and of course go to better help. But yeah, some people prefer that outside of the realm of filling out a bunch of stuff and just meet with somebody you feel could guide you. That's okay.

Amen. Don't get your free world. Don't get your life advice from podcasters. No. Don't do that. Us included. Just go get help. Unless they are qualified to give you like help.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean. But that's it. even with the people who people will be like, I see so many people where it's like, yo, this is how you do Forex or this is how you do social media.

This is how you do. And they sell you a course. And you see them driving around in a nice car and this. They didn't get that from getting rich off what they're telling you. They got that off you buying their course. Yeah.

I love when you buy the course and they be like, yo, but the next course, part two. Part two. You need part two. Part one was. This was just 101. They'll say things like, I don't want to scam you.

so I would advise you to get part two because if you do part you bought part one you might as well get part two now. But that's that whole like red pill society is just all fucking scammers that they don't, they're worse and don't call themselves doctors. Their version of doctorate is riding in a Lamborghini and doing push-ups and being like,

change your life pussy and people buy into it. And that's how they got rich. They didn't get rich from something else. They got rich from doing that. So if you really want to follow their, lead, start working out and calling people pussy and then sell your course. Right. Yeah.

Great advice for work. That is. Mall, you got beef with the internet this weekend? I got beef with the internet? I was asking. You got beef with the internet this weekend? No. No.

When do I have beef with internet? I don't know. Sometimes the internet be beefing with you. You might not beef back. I never. I'm vegan, but I don't beef back. You know that. That was a bar for my eight-mile freestyle.

Yeah. It's called a callback, right? No, I'm happy I'm finally getting my flowers for my, for my line. Fucking flowers. Me and Roy said we're going to do another rap battle, like how we did the push in one, but we got to do it like in Drake voice. But we got to pick which flow. Do you want R&B flow or you want the timestamp flow?

She asked that so sincerely like, like, how you wanted. That's why it made me laugh. She wasn't even joking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yo, what you want me to do? You want me to go. You want me to go, honestly, never mind no more. You want me to go Scorpio.

Fuck y'all. Make them cry or classic? Like, how you want to... You want me to pay, make them pay more? Make them pay more. Like, who's out there for me? Like, do you want to get in that pocket? Who's out there for D?

No, that ass. Oh my God. Maris is crazy, man. No, doing a Drake one would be funny. But I'm with you. We have to find a specific flow. R&B, rapy R&B would be fun.

I think that'd be more fun than trying to. I would tear your ass up. You probably will. I would tear you up at a timestamp record, too. You know I'm confident in my, I wanted to do another push-a-tie-one because I'm confident in that world. Yeah, I think you, I'll do it,

but you'll probably smoke me in the R&B world. That's going to be. Now, you know what? Yeah, let's stay right there. Nika said, keep it right there, right there, right there. Yeah. Right there, right there. Right there, right there.

In the, like, the days in the east flow, I'm getting you. Days in the east flow, I'm smoking you. All right, that's fine, but put on a jaded instrumental. I'm a tip, boy, boy. No, somebody was already torn apart on that song. She put out a record on Friday, unfortunately. I'm going to tear your ass. Oh, boy.

Yeah, we'll pick one off, Mike. and figure out. We had to pick a topic too, though. Yeah. Because you ducked me on the turtle. Yeah, because we did that already. So, but with Drake, you don't really got to pick a topic. You could diss a nigga and your ex in the same song.

Yeah, but I like that we pick something in the news. We'll think on it. Maybe they give us suggestions in Discord or Patreon or whatever. Yo, until all you, everybody with all these, all these, yo, she back on that side, stand that side, comments and shit. I'm not going to

you like blow dick. Oh, they was on you? That shit is so cool. It's so, I'll just be sitting up there like, what are y'all talking? You had to know. You had to know that I was going to happen. But it doesn't make any, it doesn't make any sense. There's nothing on the internet makes sense.

Why are you trying to make something on the internet make sense? It ain't going to make sense. Well, that's why I was confused because I showed Demer's that clip that I posted of her in the car to see if she was okay with me posting it. And she not only was okay, she said, oh, do a collab with me. Yeah, I'm like, thinking why I even asked her is because I know, like, those were going to be the comments. Of course.

And then she was just going back and forth that everyone in the comments. I was like, but you knew this is about to happen. Shaking ass and cussing everybody out in the comments. Drunk. And Rory was like,

I don't know why you keep responding to these. I'm like, I got time today. I'm sitting here. Hooker flowing like I'm comfortable. Shaking ass to the culture of ultra. Yeah. But see,

don't do that. Because you further, don't do that. Don't fucking do that. That's what you. I'm just saying. But that's not what I said. So don't do that.

You said, you was like they speak into his culture Vulture ways. That's all. Yes. I didn't say you called him a culture. No, but that's, that's, they like, I thought he was a culture voucher. So I didn't say that.

Kendrick said it. Why, fucker, y'all? No, but you was like, you were saying it like. No, I was saying, I was, I was yelling to you. I was yelling to you because you was like, yeah, all he said was this. And it, because you have a Drake bias. So when I'm talking to you, it's like, that's not what the, that's not the thing that he said.

He didn't just say this. He said this, this, this and this. And that's why I was yelling. It wasn't because I'm passionate about that. I don't get fuck about neither one of them, niggas. They don't pay my bills. But I'm not going to let you sit there and say, oh, well, he just said that one little line.

No, he said this, this, this, and this, and we're not going to walk past it. But Peach, our greatest clipper all time, clipped it up the way he did, and it is what it is. But niggas is not about to sit up here and try to like, oh, you back on this side. I have, I have been listening to Drake for longer than y'all have been beating y'all dicks, my nigga.

Been listening to Drake. Never stopped. Never said I would stop. Never said I didn't like Drake's music. Nah, you got to stay over there, though. You know that. It is what it is, baby, dude. Once I saw Boy Wonder like the post, I was like, oh, yeah.

It's over. I got to stay over there, man. I don't you fuck about none of that shit. You got to stay over there, baby. You don't know that, nigga? Shout out to him. I mean, that's what's up. You're a great producer.

I don't know him. That's my guy. That's my nigga right there. That's what's up. Yeah. But you got to stay over there. It's all good there. Wait, but what side of mine?

Because Kendrick and them fans kick me off for saying I don't like Kendrick. So I can't be biased against Drake. Mom, you're at Dreamville. So Drake and Cole have beef? Because when that was happening, when I was yelling at you, wait, hold on, when I was yelling at you, is that 2014 Forest Hill Drive? Y'all was telling me to stay on that side.

Cole and Drake was still on the same side. So what side am I? What side I got to stay on? 2014 Forest Hills Drive. Always, I lit there. I got a bedroom. There you go. That's what I'm saying.

Stand on it. I'm the lonely one. OVO, T.E, P.G, Langeville, all the fans have kicked me out. You know what? That's called objectivity. It's called objectivity. I'm just hoping like Don Tolliver's crew will take me out. What's Don't Oliver's crew name?

Ryan, look that up. The Jack Boys? Even some of the cactus guys don't like me. So yeah, damn. Because I said one thing bad about Travis Scott out of the thousand amazing things I've said about him. You're a whole vinger. That's all that's left. No, they kick me out too.

Oh, no. They kick you out of your two. God damn. Damn, man. Yeah. Maybe I got to go join MMG. They took all your flag. Nick's just walking around a white t-shirt.

Damn, man. That's crazy. No, I'm gonna get one of these young kids, like, Lucky or someone, yeah. I'm gonna go, I'll be the old man in the club. And that's L-U-C-K-I, not because you got to, some people. No, no, not Lucky Day. No, Lucky the rapper.

So I still have to listen to his album. I was just listening to Drake for the weekend. We're going to be looking at Drake for the next three weekends. That's mad fucking music, bro. It definitely is. The only other thing I actually watched over the weekend was Jason Lee on Ricky Lake. Oh, you saw that viral clip? That's your first time seeing it?

Yeah. And I mean, we've always said kind of things about Jason Lee, but I wouldn't say that like I pay attention to everything going on in Jason Lee's world. So no, I didn't see that. That might be better than game on that Heartbreak show. That's up there. I just like watching like the old like talk shows and how they used to do things. like they had Jason Lee acting like he was calling a bunch of girls off the house phone, like the landline.

Oh, that was the funniest part. Oh, my God. Yo, I need you to get here on Sunday. Yo, that shit is hilarious, man. That was real TV. So the first thing I thought when I saw this is, God damn, Jason Lee was fine. That was one. He was real fine.

That's a straight man. That was first thing. I don't know if y'all thought that, but that's what I thought. Didn't cross my mind. And then he called the alleged friend of his alleged girlfriend, because all of this is obviously somewhat staged, called her a bitch. and then call it shorty in the audience a bitch. And we love Jason Lee. He's a friend of the show.

But the first thing I thought was, see, when we tell y'all that niggas that be violating women are gay, y'all think we making this shit up. That's the first thing I thought about this. There's straight men that violate women, but no, I hear you. I get it. Because you could hear some of the gayness coming out every now and then. Now that we know he's gay and you listen back to that,

you catch the gay tendency. He sound like And they're usually when it's disrespecting women. He's saying like these nicks on internet. You don't like women.

Oh, I agree there. If you liked women, there's no way you could treat women like that. A lot of guys on the internet hate Meg so much because they just hate women in general. Or they want to be women. Niggas starts,

he started talking about her hair and Jason, this is old, like this is no disrespect to you. You just didn't have talking about her hair. Like you could do it better. Like if I, you know what I'm saying? Like bitch you're not feeling his mutton chops? Yeah, those was crazy.

It was the times. Those was crazy. But shout out to him. He's created, you know, I'm happy he's living in his truth and become a much better person from what this seems because this was, that was crazy. Well, did you see him on Breakfast Club again right after this one viral again? No. He was saying that he was trying to obviously front as a straight person and did have those

girlfriends. That wasn't staged. But he said the boyfriend of one of them he met. And then they started fucking. They fucked the day of the day of the day. show in the hotel. No, it was a crazy interview. Wait, what?

So, one of the other chicks had a boyfriend, and they, like, all knew each other. Okay. He was also fucking the boyfriend because they were both on the DO. He said they fucked that night, him and the dude. All right. Okay. Thorough bread. Man.

Anybody. Mind you is Matt. Anybody could get it. Anybody can get it. Anyone on this panel can't... Jason Lee was over anybody can get. I think it said, Dick, everywhere.

Equal Opportunity, Dick. Yeah, that's a lot. But I mean, you know this is going to pop up because he's running something political in his hometown, I believe, right? I think he won. Or he did win? My apologies for not.

Again, I don't keep up with everything. But yeah, now once... But Jason Lee is a tough person to go against politically because there's not really anything Jason Lee hasn't talked about. Like, if you say something about Jason, he's going to say, okay, so what? Like, it won't be, like, detrimental to his reputation.

Right. He's the vice mayor in District 6 city council member in Stockton, California. So he's a council member and a vice mayor. Oh, good for him. Shots Jason Lee, man. But, no, that's, that's funny. That's what's like. Where do you rank it against the game, uh, change of heart?

Nah, Jason Lee, if he had sex with short, he's a boyfriend that was on the panel. he, he, he's a legend. Yeah, man. He's a legend of legends. And unfortunately, she had to change of heart for game that day. He lost the show. Jason Lee won the show. Yeah, he won the show.

He definitely won the show. He fucked everybody on the panel. But what show y'all think y'all would have been on? Like, if back in the day we were old enough, like, you know what I'm saying? And we were getting into that type of shit. I was old enough to go on Ricky Lake, but I just wasn't in the suburbs claiming to be a blood. Oh. My story wasn't like, if I just said I'm a blood from Hall and made him, like, I guess 10,000 of y'all.

Yeah, get in line. Yeah, get in line. But if I'm living in the suburbs and it's like, oh, we got to get him on the show. Like, he's terrorizing the neighborhood in the suburbs. Like, no. But I was older than because, what was that, 95? Jesus. 96?

Ricky Lake, maybe. Because that was, I don't know what year that was that Jason Lee was on there. But, yeah, Jason Lee's a little older than me. So, yeah, I could. Jason Lee is 48. years old. First of all, bitch, you look good. He looked good. He looked great for 48. He looks amazing. That was 94? Oh, my God.

I mean, I was young. I was 13. Yeah. I wasn't born. I was born a year. I think being on scared straight in retrospect would be funny. Probably not at the moment. Oh, they definitely should have scared your ass straight. But I don't, I wouldn't have been on a regular, I probably would have been on a doctor fill of like just an angry little Irish boy like we need to get through to you. But Scared Straight maybe would have helped. Roryon. I would have been scared. These young kids now I don't think

would be scared of Scared Straight at all. They'd probably try to sneak a fucking extendo in there. I'd be fucking petrified on Scared Straight. They had to cause you a pretty little redhead and stroke the side of your face and ask you if the curtain match the drapes, your ass to straighten it up so quick. I would never, I would never commit a crime again. No illegal parking, no speeding. You didn't go home and did homework. You got trouble. First thing you do, you get home.

I'd be Dr. Rory, no. Roy would have home and did. You went straight to his homework. Bro, scared straight. That shit. There was even ones that they had to, like, take off the internet because they were so intense. That, like, this day and age, it looks like child abuse. Yeah, these young dudes, they don't care about jail.

I don't know anymore. Not at all. They want to go. But I mean, if you're asking all those shows, I would have had like five baby mothers or like not sure if my kid is mine. I wouldn't have been on any of those shows. There's no like good. No, I'm saying. All like the daytime.

Oh, Ricky Lake. Yeah. Because either way, it's the kids either not yours or the girl's not yours. No one really wins in any of this. I definitely would have been the home girl. Like, I'm telling you he's cheating on you. And Ricky be like, we're going to bring out the proof that have been me. I'd have been the hating ass home girl for show.

That nigga is cheating on you. Yeah, that's how you used to go. But you don't want cheating? Yeah. When you're going to do a Ricky bring out the homeboy that you've been texting out from the back? You know she was good for that. Well, we have Daryl here and he seems to have a word to say. Yo, mouth just dropped.

Yeah. Nah, I would have been out like Judge Judy or some shit like that. But that one. Who are you suing? I don't know. Suing a nigga for waste at my time. I could definitely see Demaris taking the nix. taking the negative court for waste on time.

Take it. Wasting my fucking time. And Judge Judy cursing you out for wasting her time. Exactly. Now, I don't won. I take it to Joe Brown. I'm not going to Judge Joe Brown and bat mine. You might have a better shot there. Yeah, I take it to Judge Joe Brown. That will be your case though. Like, how would you even pitch that one? Like, what's the damages versus the time ratio? I was investing money into

living in a certain place, doing certain things, all of this, because you told me that we would get married and have a family. So I went to, I I went to IVF. I invested money in that. I'm in my 30s. I wasted time. Now I can't have kids.

And you decided you don't want me. You wasted my time. All I got to do is prove that you have been wasting my time the whole time. So all I got to do is have evidence that when you were telling me that you were planning this future with me, that you actually did not mean that. And you were leading me to falsely believe things. Got you. Your honor. I told you this bitch was crazy.

Right. Could men take women to court for like, if they don't look. to, all right, no. Thank you. I knew you was about to go somewhere dark with it. I just.

I don't never want me to get my shit off. And they be getting so mad at me like, why she always stopping, Maugh? Because I like having a job. I want to continue to have a job. I want to continue to have sponsors.

I'm just saying if women could do that, we should be able to take them to court for like, you know, she don't really look like that though. Like, if you wash your face, like you wash that makeup off and it ain't that, can I get my money back from the date? Maul, you can tell what people really look like through makeup.

Shit. Hell not. What feature can, what feature that will make a woman ugly can you not tell through makeup? That nose don't be, like the contour game is crazy. The contour? Like when they make it look like the,

like the nose is like symmetric, you know mean? Like right there. When that makeup come off, that should be like right. That's anti-black, maw. No, it's not. Why do you go right to that?

It's not just black people that have. No, it's not, see, don't do that. You making it that. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying sometimes that makeup, it changes your face. But if you. I'm a, I'm speaking from a victim.

Oh, you're a victim. I've been a victim. If you're sitting in somebody's face, though, Maul, you can see, like, makeup pictures, yes. Right? Because if you take a picture and you have a face full of makeup, it can kind of ulcer. It can hide things. That's the whole purpose of contouring. But if you sit in, like, I have my nose contour right now.

If you're sitting in my face, you can still see the shape of my nose, like the texture in 3D through the makeup. Now imagine if you was to wipe all of that off. No brows. Skin is just not, you know, glowing like that. Dry a little bit. Like, you're not hydrated, really. But you can also see that through makeup.

Makeup be patchy and ashy. Yeah, but I'm just saying. We met online. So it's pictures first. Okay. Videos first. And then we get on a date. Because you don't take her on the daytime, only nighttime, harsh lighting.

But she works. So she can only do dinner at like 7.30, 8 o'clock. Right? It's not my fault. So, okay, can we go to dinner? Say we hit it off. Back at her place. Cool.

Wake up in the morning and spend the night. Not saying we had sex, but, you know, I ended up staying over, whatever. Cool. Or my place, you kind of my place, you end up staying over. No sex. I mean, just chill, fall asleep. You get comfortable. All right.

Morning come. How are you getting, who let you in? So you're adding Uber receipts. Yeah, like, I'm just saying like Who lets you win? It's funny. Yeah, this is not the moment I lay down and went to sleep in my crib. I'm just saying.

I ask myself, who is this person? Who is this person? Who are you? Has that happened to you often? Because I feel like most women you can tell if they're ugly. Like, there are some celebrities that we know and we see them in makeup. It's like, I know you ugly underneath that makeup. You can still tell.

You've really been tricked before? I've been catfish. I've been tricked before, but not like it. Not like a whole. Yeah, she didn't look nothing. Like the makeup was a big difference, but he wasn't ugly. though. The makeup did make a big difference though. But she wasn't an ugly

girl. Yeah, that's definitely happened. But I haven't been like flat out catfish, like show it to the spot and you were a different person. Or you just did the shoulder up shit and yeah, that's never happened to me but I've definitely been a victim of, oh, you're great at taking

photos. You're really good at angles. You know your lighting. I've been a victim of that. Like you, yeah, you don't look like that in person at all. Outside of just the makeup one. You just don't even look like that. So I've been there. But at that point, you know,

charges the game. You're still gonna beat, where's still gonna beat, raw. Toma and it. To my in it. Do we have voicemails? We don't.

Fuck. Not today. But the calves have beat the pistons. All right, baby, Dee. One of your team still holding on. Oh, let's go. Minnesota went home.

Minnesota went home. But. Damn. Your cabs are going to the Eastern Conference finals. Yes. Salute to the Cavs. And then Spurs and OKC. I'm nervous, man, because I wanted to play the Cavs.

No disrespect to James Harden. He just doesn't show up in the playoffs, typically. He's been playing high. I know. That's what scares. It would be the Knicks' luck that this was the year that James Hardin shows up. Listen, man, this is all that has to happen. Pagola, do what y'all do best.

Yo, I'm screaming. Oh, my God. I didn't even put that in. perspective. Yeah. Pagola. James has to come to New York. Oh, we outside.

Pagola, do what you do best. Wait, James has to come to New York with a new Drake album. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's over. No, we wouldn't. No, I got you. I got you. We got you.

Pagola, do what y'all do best. I'm about to call Major and Mitch. Like, yeah, line that nigga, bro. Get him drunk. Pack that hookah with a little something extra that's going to have them a little woozy, little drowsy for the game, man. Have him seeing three hoops out there. What's that movie?

where they kidnap it was one of the Wayans brothers that played for the Celtics Oh yeah that was Oh that movie was great We're showing our age Celtic pride Celtic pride Celtic pride

There you go peach You know how easy they could do that with James Hardin Just with two chicks from Starlets Oh man Like you don't even You don't even kidnap them do anything Yeah And he's not even showing up

It's gonna be a good series though But no I'm very proud of my Knicks I'm a very nervous Knicks fan because everything is going great. Shout out to the Knicks, man. Everything's going good. Everything's looking in our favor, and I've never seen that before,

so it makes me nervous. Makes me very, like, OG got the proper rest. I'm terrified everything going the way it's going. This is going to be a good conference finals on both ends. Spurs and OKC, obviously, they went back and forth a year.

The Spurs, I think, won the season series. But it's probably the two best teams in the West. that, you know, are in the Western Conference Finals. Yeah, I did not see the Cavs getting to the Eastern Conference Finals at all. So, rest in them as well. But if the Knicks have played like they did last round against Philly, then I think we'll be okay. Yeah, man, it's going to be an exciting time in New York.

The energy. Summer. You know what I'm saying? I was looking up tickets. I hear it already. I hear the ass clapping in the sundress. Just do it in front of James. You go in front of James.

Throw him off his pivot. I was looking up tickets if the Knicks make it to the finals, not Eastern Conference, just if they make it to the finals. Them shit was like, something with like 100 grand. Oh, yeah. That's a regular ticket during the season sometimes. It's crazy. Yeah.

But, I mean, I would love to go to some of these Eastern Conference finals games, but even last round on my birthday, I was looking at tickets. It was just like four grand. I watch it. Yeah, yeah. Of course I want to be in the building and feel that energy, but I think I'll just watch it. Are they bringing the towels out?

They bring the towels out for the Easter Commerce final? I would hope so. They got to bring the towels out, man. I would hope so. But if the Knicks, this is how my adult brain works now. If the Knicks make the finals and FIFA starts, this city is going to be a fucking nightmare.

Oh, yeah. Like, we may need to do the pod from Zoom. Yeah. I don't think we'll be able to move around at all. Like, way too much going on. There's going to be so much fucking traffic if they make it, but I'm excited for them.

So shout out to all my real Nick fans that have been holding us down for this long. Yes, sir. A lot of heartbreak, but maybe this could be our year. What happened, Pete? I see that looking y'all. I got that twinkling y'all. Like real niggas?

The niggerbockers? You guys can keep up. That's really where you guys thought I was going? When you got a white friend, white friend. When you're a white friend, you always just like, you kind of waiting for them to say,

nigga. Like, you just kind of waiting. Like, shout out to the Knicks. The Knicks. The Knicks. Knicks.

Nix. Not the Nix. I don't even want to say the full Nick's name because it scares him. The Knickbockers. The New York Knicks. The New York Knickabockers. Maul,

let me tell you about Rory, awkward ass. Let me tell you about my brother, though. That was good. That was good. Yeah. He, we at the table,

told you we were to be the bad ease. He's going to look at the baddies like, oh, so did Demaris ever try to like fuck one of y'all? Swag? That's Rory. He always asks the inappropriate question. He always want to know who you fucking and then be lying about who he fucking. I'm not fucking anyone. I know.

Ice man in stores now. But that's just a you thing. Damaris and I, if we are actively sleeping with somebody, we know who the other person is. You have no idea who I'm actively sleeping with. Ice man and stars. makes made his stores now. A BT in stores now. Made of honor in stores now.

Lucky drugs are bad. album out now. Tone stiff, the edge album out now. Givion's Tone stiff, man. Yeah. Fuck with Tom. Yeah. Givion beloved act too is coming out or that's out.

It's out. I need. Yeah, it came out on Friday. I just didn't have time. I just didn't have time. I'm definitely going to listen to that. But don't, Demand, don't even try to angle that like it was

scared the hose time. They were into the question. they were into the question it was good conversation at the table like it didn't scare the hose it it was it was awesome they just giggled awkwardly because I did but like they just giggled giggle awkwardly but like you ain't got to bring that up no I don't I agree with you like they were both beautiful

I didn't think you did anything wrong yeah I know my home girl so I did when I met them I was trying to beat but then I was like oh no y'all like actually cool so like so they my friends so women also can't be platonic friends too We can be platonic friends. We are platonic friends. Because unlike, you know, men, I saw that these women had crazy value as friends. I was like, I would never want to fuck that up. So you're all my dogs.

Got it. Shout to Nick Grant. Smile available now. Yes, shout out to Nick. Shout out to Nick. Absolutely. Nick got to come back to New York and visit us. He's coming back.

He'll be back. Is he doing a tour for this project? I'm not sure yet. Yeah. I got to live with that one as well. We definitely need to give a proper Nick Grant review for the album. But yeah, I want to see, I saw Nick perform live once when we went to Marlin's residency. But I want to see a full Nick show.

No, Nick put on a good show. Yeah, absolutely. All right, well, we will see you a couple times this week. Yes, sir. Patreon is available. Patreon.com forward slash new ory Mall. Yes, sir. March is there.

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