New Rory & MAL - Episode 496 | Benny the Butcher & Fuego Base

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Benny The Butcher, Fuego Base and Zip join the guys to tell the story of how Benny signed Fuego Base, Connecticut rappers, and how the Black Soprano Family have been keeping upstate rap alive. Benny addresses Conway the Machine and Westside Gunn both hinting at their retirement, as well as his Drake song that never was released. The guys also chop it up about building business structure, what other rappers they’ve been listening to, and share some hilarious stories. All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-foreverSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm in Demaris the seat today. You are in Demaris to see. You are DeRori today. But today we are joined by this is family. But you know, ever since this nigga started getting money, man, I don't hear from. from him. Stop that. I don't see him no more.

Two-chain Benny. Yeah, it's a lot of different things happening. But this is my man. This is my fan right here. Today, he got a guy with him that, you know, I've been following, but listening to. Big bass. Zip as well.

Big as since can be. Big fan of his, man. Today we are joined by Benny the butcher, Cuoago bass. These are the real sopranos. B.S.F. Say that. My niggas.

Benny, what's up, man? Man, I'm good. I ain't seen you since you been getting much. too, but I got, I got, I got, I got the internet, I see what's going on. We got doing that, no, no, but I ain't see you in a minute. I think the last time we saw each other, we sat down there. Was Atlanta?

Yeah, I think it was Atlanta. That was the last time. But obviously a lot has changed lives happening. But how are you feeling, man? I'm feeling good, man. I'm going in on 10 years of this shit, man. And it feels great. You know what I mean?

Like dirty needles. I just heard dirty needles. the other day. I'm just like, damn, man. That's how I feel to me too. That's how I feel to me too. But a lot has happened, man. But you, more so now, you know, looking at you, you're in a different space as far as like business now. With the BSF and obviously

signing a Fuego base. How much have you changed just on the business side now? You know, shit a little more clear cut to me. I understand it more. You know what I'm saying? You know, a lot of this should be trial in there. You know what I'm saying? We having fun at the same time, but at the end of the day, it's business.

But, you know what I'm saying? I earn my position in a lot of in a lot of these rooms, you know what I'm saying, where I'm able to do certain things now that I probably wasn't able to do. Right. What I'm saying? You know what I mean? And how did the connection with this rapping-ass nigger base, man? First of all, I saw bass at, I want to say it was, I don't know if it was a Griselda show.

It was, y'all was at SOBs. Mm-hmm. And I saw bass and he was standing in the cut. I didn't say nothing to him, but I just kind of wore. I walked up to him and patted him to show to let him know like, nigga, I'm listening and I'm watching. And from that point on, Fuego, I mean, every time I hear you, it's like, I don't know if you're trying to, you know, raise the crime rate.

I don't know what he's trying to do. On purpose. You know what he's trying to do. Hey, look, I met this nigga through my boy Steve Starks, right? A nigga who, he was tapped in on the music, but he hit me on Instagram. I ended up hitting him back. It's like 2017, 2018. the nigga hit me back, we end up getting cool, you know what I'm saying?

Just met him on the grammy. He ended up coming to the crib, slept on the couch at the crib and everything. Yeah. And it introduced me to a few people, you know what I'm saying? A few people that helped me get my business straight. And Fuego was one of them, you know what I'm saying? So I heard this, Nick, I couldn't believe it, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn.

Yeah. It's a hitting gym. You know what I'm saying? Hitting him. I knew he was like a hood, a real hood, nigga. And I'm saying, I couldn't wait to work with him. Benny, you can't talk the way Fregal talking and not be, listen, I'm not saying Fuego did anything he's saying

but he's in close proxent because you can't you can't pin it like that I understand everything like anytime somebody say some shit that I've been through before I know you had to be You had to go through that You cannot imagine that

No no no no Yeah you can I can't eat and look at Corey's souls Right right like you can You had to be there to understand Like the Chinese fool you look up You see that shit like Yeah Yeah.

Yeah. That's a fact. Yeah. Put that damn. So, Bates, how was it, obviously coming out of Connecticut? And then through the history of rap, we haven't had a lot of guys come out of C.T. That made a lot of noise. It's some hidden gyms and some dudes that if you know, you know type of thing.

But obviously, you hold Connecticut, you're waving the C.T. flag right now. Man, shit. That shit just fell in my lap, bro. I'm just doing my part. It's like, like, I think it's being amazed. but it's like a bunch of niggas out there that's talented. Oh yeah, for sure. Like, we know how to do everything.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Speaking from, like, mostly, like, from where I'm from, you know, I'm saying? Like, a nigga from my alpha going to try everything to try to get some bread. Right. You feel what I'm saying? Because we're dealing with a lot of the things that other,

like the major cities dealing with, it's just smaller, so they're not going to talk about it. Right. But we really, like, the test market for anything. Mm-hmm. Like, we're the real lab rats. Like, they know. But that shit is the Trial State, homie.

I don't know. while like I feel like y'all got like a complex I think y'all like y'all to try to stay homie like yo but everybody don't feel like that's it how to fuck you now they don't treat us like new jersey connecticut my whole life this nigga been yelling it might do that I feel like y'all niggas is us yo we can't even get the radio out there we don't know flex doing that that's crazy we don't know none of that so that's what that chip comes been on deck no that's that's what that chip comes Like we love hip hop. We love hip hop.

We never had. We haven't had like too much representatives. But like hip hop is the soundtrack of our lives. No real rap niggas know. You feel what I'm saying? That's Benny's story though with Buffalo. Yes. That's why he lit in Connecticut.

Connecticut is one of the niggins who are going to support the real shit. You know what I'm saying? They're going to go to everybody know that about Connecticut. A lot of artists where they can't get no bag out here, they come down there and get money every weekend. Before they even get booked out here. You could definitely tour in Connecticut from. New York City of him. Every nigga been to Toads.

Of course. Every nigga. That's the right of passage. You gotta go to Toad. That's kind of where the chip come from, though. Like, I feel like, you feel me? Just from us showing so much love and then never getting it back. Like I said, like, with Flex showing love like that, you got to get the New York City to hear that.

Right. That's crazy. You know what I'm out of the way? We don't. We can't hear that. Like, we can hear out of New Jersey, Connecticut. Like we thought y'nigas knew that was going on like that. Y'all niggas is like us.

You got to be some parts of Connecticut that get that shit. It is but like not where I'm from. Like that's what I'm saying. Because it's like it's like that's another thing like it's like people always say Connecticut. I'm from half. Right. You feel what I'm saying? Somewhere else is probably closer to New York and got more access to New York.

Like you feel what I'm saying? It's like I'm down there. Like it's like we don't hear the radio and none of that from New York. So yeah, y'all more on the Boston side in that regard? were Boston closer. Yeah. Okay. But Boston don't even got a radio station, bro.

Yeah. Like we got it. We got hot 93, hot 97, hot 93, whatever it is. Mm-hmm. And then, um, 93.7 we got. That's what we get. And then like Boston don't even got like a regular radio station. Like shouting y'all out.

No. No, no. Base breaking down the politics of this shit. Like, yo, bro, I come from democracy. I got to get my antenna sometimes just right to even get that shit. That's crazy. You heard out of the long guys wire coming out my little, coming out my little radio and shit. Trying to put it on the, on the door with the metal and shit, you know what I'm saying?

Just to get that shit. Like, we ain't getting no phone flats out there, bro. On behalf of the streets in New York, man, I want to say, man, you're like, yeah, y'all niggas is us, man, the tribe state. I've been hearing that shit. Like I said, I, like. You know how you break it down? You break it down because, you know, the Connecticut niggas is in a phase they run with the East Coast car. Yeah.

You know what that? That's what the matter. I mean, that's how you break the math all the way down. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's a New York car, the East Coast. It's all. Yeah.

C.T. niggas run with that car. Yeah. Who's some of the dudes in Connecticut, though, that outside of Fuego that we probably should know and listen to? Sholee. Definitely. Yeah, I mean? Shouly the Holy.

Man, Sholi Fire. He'd been working with Ty Hennie from New Haven. Dope. All of you. young G's from my hood. If y'all know, y'all know, if y'all don't tap in, y'all Google them. All type of stuff is going to pop up on them young boys. Yeah.

They got, like, little documentaries about them and stuff like that. But the music is amazing. You feel what I'm saying? So tap into the G's. Man, there's a lot going on out there right now, man. Honestly, like, off my head, I can't really say. Like, a lot of my favorites is, like, they, you know, like, they're kind of chilling. So it's like, they ain't really out there.

But who we got, bands De Niro. Yeah, I mean, he's been putting. I'm sitting down for a long time for my hood. Like for the city, shut out the breath. Yeah, man. I got some people like around me, all you gang, Pone, fire. Okay.

You know what I mean? Oil gang Pong. Yeah, yeah. All you gang, Pong, fire. That's the thing. That's what's going to be so dope about bass run. What's going to be so dope about this nigga run is that he's going to put us on a more fire, nigger.

Yeah. I'm saying, trust me. I'm saying, trust me. Niggis going to get some more music out of that. I want to say this shit on camera. right. Base made me patching with the BsF niggas, you heard.

Like, that shit is ill. Like, I'm saying? Like, I've been patched in with Benny the butcher before he was Benny the Bush Tuchin, Tuchin, Tuchin, Stoney, right? Yeah.

Let's get that out the way. I remember the Buffalo niggas arguing me that about that. I'm like, I'm like, walking to the Gucci store, a d' nigga, I used to be tight, you know what I'm saying? Like, they say something from tough, right?

Like, they argued me that about that for like, five years straight, you heard. I came home, solely put me on the sun. Some put me on the sun. I'm past thing, bro. So you heard about Benny through?

No. I been knew about Ben. Obviously, he heard about B.SF through BASF. But BASF, though, like, I'm past there. Like, these niggas be taught. That's like the soundtrack to a nigga, like. No, really? They're real, real talking.

Yes. Real talking. Benny, what's new with BSF as for outside of Fuego. Like what you what you what you got? Flameda. Malik, you know what I'm saying? Suley Patterson, New Jersey, Flame dot. Maliki from Rochester. You know what I'm saying? You know, we keep it this upstate shit alive. You know what I'm saying? That's what you're doing. That's that's your goal. You know why? Because it's like so much music going come out of that. Okay. Niggas ain't never you know what I'm saying. You got

Spess definitely. Right. I'm saying we got these. You got Shaynor. We got so many hitting gyms that, you know what I mean? That look at West. I'm like that shit from West. Right. West is taking a nigga you never heard of. Right. A dope-ass nigga. You know what I'm saying? That too. That's a vicious play. A dope-ass music, though.

That's what it's about. Yeah. And put most important. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The quality of music, so, you know what I mean? And the thing's like him. Mawruck is like Malik.

It's too late too. He is spitter, you know what I mean? Yeah. I like that you're doing that because obviously, which I was able to do with Griselda and the wave that y'all was able to create, I do love the fact that you still keeping it in that DNA of finding those guys.

that are kind of like in those cities that get overlooked a little bit and like nice dope niggas here too though right right like you know what I'm saying we can't overlook it just because it's a smaller city and they don't get the 100% light as the biggest cities but like that don't mean that the talent level is not incredible and it's a market for it trust no absolutely no they want to hear this shit they want to they want to they want to they want to they want to they want to they want to hear it's fresh it's new to them you know I'm saying you know this nigga talking how he talked coming from where he coming from is new to them like it was new to people I'm I'm saying, you know, niggas who,

trapping ain't dead. Trapping ain't dead. So, like, when this shit come on, like, real shit. You know what I'm saying? Let me ask you this, right? Like, when you, when you patch in with,

with an artist, right? What make you say, like, I, this shit is believable? You know what I'm saying? What make you say that? Because, like, mad niggas be talking that shit,

but, like, El Camino, when he talked that shit, you know, like, he sold some work before, you, are? Like, he ain't a man. imagining that base sold some work before. Allegedly.

Flames sold some work before. Years ago. Like, that's your limitations. You can't talk about it if you ain't living. When you hear these niggas that you be like, I, nah, he like. Same shit you're looking for a zip like that, that, them certain details.

Niggas talking about like how the room smelt when the shit was going on. Put the mask on before you get to. Real shit like that. Niggas ain't always talking about the good side. Yes. Niggas talking about that, that, uh, that vivid little pain we felt, you know what I'm saying? It's like, damn, this nigga reminded me.

It was a dope line, but he took me back to a place I ain't even want to go back to. You know what I'm saying? That type of shit. And another thing, I pay attention to like the, the niggas around those niggas. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's going to tell it all.

Mm-hmm. That's going to tell it all. Yeah. Your homie's going to tell it all. I think with base, like, the one thing I noticed about base early on was, and what I like the most is, because I travel obviously I know the sound of Connecticut, the New England area and all of that. It's the way y'all say things. Because you and Benny pretty much say the same shit, but it's the way y'all say things that makes it that much, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm saying? It's like, essentially it's like, oh, they're talking about this, but how they're saying it. And then where they're from and the terms that they use and the slang and the little accent, the slight accent, it's not a heavy accent. I think that's what separates y'all. That's why I love what you're doing with grabbing guys from those cities that get overlooked because the stories we've heard, but it's how y'all telling it and delivering it

that makes it so special. People think that's a... Exactly. I felt like that about that. It was new to me, but it was the most believable shit ever at the time. But just the sound. But like, the sound was different.

Yeah, like pretty much that's how I go. Like, like, like people think it's a disadvantage. Like for me, I came in, like it's an advantage. You know what I'm saying? Never heard it. They're going to hear me say this shit. I'm saying they're like, he from where?

Right. Y'all going to want to tap in. And then like I said, it's a thousand more of me out there. Like that's what we do. This is what we do. We like that. I'm not the only one.

Yeah. No, there's an advantage. And so it's like, because we heard everything before. Like I said, I'm a fan. So I know, like I get to places and I navigate those places through shit. I heard through music. Right. You feel what I'm saying?

It's like, oh, I'm here. That's next to there because they're, because they're them too cool. Like they beef with them over there. Like you feel only like that's how I break the city down when I get there. That's how I move around that motherfucker usually. Right. So now people learning like he said, how we talk like it's a different way that we say shit.

You feel what I'm saying? It's a different approach. It's a different attitude. You feel what I'm saying? There's a lot of times it's the first time people hearing that shit. But if you pull up where I'm from, it's like that's what you're going to see and get and feel. Now, Benny, with everything that's going on with BSF, and, you know, I love the fact, obviously, you know, what you've done, what Con has done, and what Wes has done individually in your own regard has been amazing. Where are things now, like years later, as far as Griselda as a whole.

Like, are we getting closer to, you know, seeing Griselda back as one unit? Because I love the one of the prints that you all have grown individually. But what y'all did collectively together is the biggest, the biggest. I mean, it allowed for shit like this to happen. You know what I mean? And it created opportunities like that. But just on a, again, I feel like I can ask you shit that nobody else could really ask you. Go ahead, go ahead.

But just on a personal level, where is that at today? Man, that's at the same place it was at where we started. You know what I'm saying? And I'm saying. And niggas about to get some music. You know what I'm saying? Niggas, like, we're about to fuck niggas up. Niggas about to get some music.

It's just I'd be telling niggas, you know, the best case scenario thing happened. You know what I'm saying? I'm doing my shit. Yeah. You be hearing these niggas doing his shit. You'd be hearing Wes talking about he going to retire. You hear Conway say this is last shit.

Sometimes these niggas don't be wanting to do this shit. Yeah. To be honest with you. You know what I'm saying? These niggas are a little older than me. They've been doing it a little longer. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, sometimes they don't be one.

want to do this shit. But we definitely doing it. We're definitely doing this. We're going to fuck y' y'n'n'n'n'n'n'n'n' I'm saying. I'm asking. I'm asking you questions, but I have the answers already. I've had some conversations. You know what's about to go on. I know some conversations have happened. I know where things, you know, stand, but just hearing it directly from you just gives me like, okay, I know we kind of getting closer to that. You said something I'm like everybody else. I thought it should have been happening. It should have been happening. But why you think that is, Benny? Why it hasn't been happened? Why do you think they both feel that way? I understand. They've been doing this for a long time. Why they don't want

do it no more? Yeah. I don't know. I think them niggas is sick of this shit. You know what I'm saying? Oh, no, I understand it. And not in a bad way. Those are two like a family-orientated guys, you know what I'm saying?

Who be in a career with their family, who be around their niggas and their immediate family. And they like doing that shit. Not saying they're going to stop creating music because that's what they love to do too. But, you know what I mean? You be hearing them niggis? Yeah. I'd be pissed off and I be hearing that. can't hold on.

Fuck this thing can talk about. But they don't, they don't be one of, I'm saying? Everybody could see I get a little more excited about this shit than those guys, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, that's obvious. They don't be wanting to do this shit, but only thing they're interested in doing is together. Yeah. Together, though.

I mean, I think that makes the most sense. Now, there was, there was something that happened. And I, you know, I spoke to, spoke to the guys, like, well, I spoke to Khan on that side as soon as I heard about it, a situation that happened. I don't know. Was it London or Pat. And I was just like Let's get that out. I said nah.

I mean I picked up the phone immediately. I called my man, Chad. I said, yo, and he started laughing as soon as he answered the phone. He said, yo, I knew you. I was like, yo, bro. I don't know what I'm reading online. And you know, I don't really like take,

I take that shit with a grain of salt. If I have personal relationships with guys that I fuck when I love. You can just pick up the phone. I'm picking up the phone. What the fuck am I seeing? Nah, man, it wasn't bro and it wasn't Benny. Exactly.

You know, homies from both sides. Had a little da-da-da-da. It's cool. Everybody spoke. Cool. Never asked about it again. As long as I hear. It was a lot going on in there.

It was, I mean, it was like white boys in there doing shit too, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't like a, me versus my niggas versus his niggas. There wasn't no shit like that. Right.

It was a braw back there. Okay. And I'm saying, a good one too. Let me ask this question. A good one. See him take that painting off the stage and move it to the side

and it was like, yo, now we're ready. How that made you feel? Like what you thought about when you saw all, Man. He spoke to him about that too, so. Honestly, I was like, he probably was mad.

I beat that nigga 2K or some shit. Nah, that was fine. I'm nasty. I'm nasty in that. You know what I mean? I don't know. No, from what I know, it was a thing of, he asked that guy to not put those paintings there before the show started.

And then once he went on, he saw them there and he moved it. Because he's like where I just asked, I told you not to put this up here. Man, y'all know. Man, y'all know Kahnway by now, man. Oh, I know. If y'all know that nigga by now. I know. And I know it ain't going to go but so far with you.

Because, like I tell people all the time, y'all are real family. 100%. This ain't just rap shit and guys from a city that are kind of cool. No, no, no, no. This is real family. So, yeah, family has disagreements. I got a cousin that I used to play for the Knicks. Yeah, I ain't fucking in right now.

Made a few mill and never gave a nigga shit. Right. Right. Nothing that's ever going to stop, no paper or nothing that. Niggas be feeling like we hate each other. I don't be knowing. Would that be about? But these is these guys who I knew my whole life.

Yeah. You for what I'm saying? Pick up the phone, call these niggas right now, FaceTime. He's going to answer the phone and say a joke. Yeah. If I call Wes right now, West going to ask me for a verse. Yeah. Yo, Wes is one of the most vicious plays I had to talk.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? No, what you're about to say? We know what the people. I said Westpool one of the most vicious plays I ever saw. What he did?

Shout out to that. Bird the mother. Shout out to him because he made it possible for all of this shit. 100%. Oh yeah. Real shit.

Nigger came home from the feds and ran a vicious play jail niggas for the win. I respect that. Real shit. I ain't even know Wes fan like that.

But I respect that. That nigga put a rabbit out of a hat. You know what I'm saying some shit one time and said, you know,

West is worth like 9 million. I was like, shout out to the Buffalo niggas. that though. Yeah. Nigger came home from jail. They said this,

like public record say your nigga worth nine. Shout out to him for that though, you are. They might have got some of them numbers wrong, but, you know. Right. I don't give a fuck,

but, I think it's more than that. The public record is saying some shit like, and I'm saying you did your thing. What's to be like, that shit? That is a pooty wardrobe.

That nigga was talking shit that we had one time. I said some shit one time that nigga was on the internet talking mad shit one time. I was like, yeah, I respect it. I ain't even wild him up

another. I respect that. He's probably mad. mad shit. Yeah. I respect it. You're all. You put one of the most vicious play.

No. No. No. No. Those guys as brothers, they love each other. We all love each other. Niggas about to get some music. You know what I'm saying?

I know what I've been saying this. I know what's happening, man. But niggas about to get some music. You know what I'm saying? I know what's happening. I've had the conversations, you know, in private where I'm just like, okay, I'm, I'm good with that. I know, you know, conversations happened and things are in a good space.

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And we've had some incredible guests so far. And now our good friend, Nile Horn, is joining the show. How's it going, boys? Hey, Niall. It was the same thing with Slow Hands. Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can't be about food. You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done.

You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Now, with Ashes in the safe, BSF, Benny Fuego Believe Rick Hyde is on there Got to be someone I got a mean verse Zips on the wayhouse full

I'm not on there I'm not on there I'm on oh no no sorry The other base shit Ring High got a fire verse Yes shout to Rick Shout to Rick hot Um Now listening to that project

I can just tell that you and Benny got A ton low Like in the cut That to me that was just Y'all just gave us a glimpse of a sparring session. Y'all just gave us a glimpse of just like, this is open gym. We just ain't here getting up and down.

You can send this nigga a record. He's going to send it right back. And I feed off his energy. Sometimes I'm like, yo, do a record and just send it to me. So it got his vibe on it and stuff like that. Yeah. Definitely, you know what I'm saying? He's one of the ones, you know what I mean?

Yeah. It's like being in there with Conway or being in there with Spess, you know what I'm saying? It's matching the intensity and it's matching the feeling and the vivid. of the version. Yeah. Yeah. Now, now,

now, bass, what was your, when you first met Benny, right? Because obviously two writers, two rappers.

Like, what was the mindset? Like, I got to, I got to make sure anything this niggas send me, I got to outperform them,

or was it just like, you know, everybody be asking this shit. You know, you can hear it because it's because it's a real question. Yo,

I got like, like, I'm from somewhere different. I got my own shit. Yeah. So it's like, I got to just make sure,

I'm doing my folks right. Right. You feel what I'm saying? It's competitive in the sense that I don't want to get watched. This is my favorite rapper. Okay. And I think he's the best rapper. I don't think none of these niggas could be better than that.

Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. So if I'm keeping up, I'm doing good. Mm-hmm. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I'm here to be the best version of myself. Right.

I'm here to sell bass. Right. Like, I've been doing that. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like... Been doing that. Yeah. So it's never that.

Like, I'm just here to make sure, like, I don't, bro, I don't know how the fuck I got on this couch. So every time I'm rapping, it's like, yo, let me make that dude proud. Nah, yo, you know what I'm saying? Like, nah, but you're going on in, thuddy. Listen, nigger, I'm rapping for my life. Yeah, a lot of these niggas might not be. You feel what I'm saying? I got my life sails in his father.

Yeah, like, if this shit don't go right for me. Because you're right. Yeah, I'm getting older and shit. Like, I'm going back to some bullshit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Without this, I'm going back to some bullshit. I heard that shit is set against the shit. Like, I'm not that far ahead in this shit yet to where I can't go back there.

Right. So that's what you're here. You feel me? And like I said, I'm from somewhere else to where like this shit don't really happen. So that shit come with a lot of responsibility too. You feel what I'm saying? I appreciate that. I got to like, like, like, like, take care of my shit back there.

I saw an interview that y'all did. I forgot who it was with. And you said, Benny saved my life. Hell yeah. I might have been dead already. Mm. I used to come outside. Every day, like, to figure out if somebody will kill me or I'll go to jail.

Right. The shit I'm doing. You feel what I'm saying? Like, where else is going really lead to? Right. Like, you can hear it in the music. I wasn't no king pinnigger or no shit like that. Like, I got way more money and shit that I never had before from rapping.

Right. And that nigger saw that shit in me before I saw it myself. I would stay out there fucking around trying to do that shit. I went to jail twice since I've been fucking with this nigga. Right. I don't spoke to this nigga on the collect call. Yeah. That nigga told me he just signed the rock next shit.

I'm like, fuck. I'm in this motherfucker, man. I'm in here eating cheese in with the new shit. I'm fucking up the motherfucking order for the phone and see, yo, I got the call back. Fuck you watch them, niggas. Rock Nation. Yeah.

Right. Shit going on, you heard. And it's like they run around in my man car. Right. Rest in peace, she, driving my man car when I called. Like, you feel what I'm saying? Like, ever since I met, like I said, like, they always, like,

That shit was like family from the beginning. Like they accepted me, accepted me. Come with baggage too. Like I said, I'm from somewhere else. They accepted my hood, my family. Like, you know what I'm saying, shit? Like that. Do y'all got a video for like it is off the ashes

Ashes in the safe project? Because that song is a movie. It's a movie. You ain't watched the movie? You gotta watch the movie. You gotta watch it. It's a movie on the internet, that's fires, son.

You gotta watch that shit. Oh, I'm slacking. We gotta watch that. They got it's a movie. They got it like, it's like 20 minutes, something like that. Oh, you niggas is cinematic. That's what we're doing.

You know, I got a movie deal and I'm really about to shoot a full link movie. So we just practicing, not practicing, because that's real work right there. I'm saying, but we got some work, man. Check that out, man. You know what I'm saying? To be honest with niggas,

I heard that Pyrex and Paris when he sent that shit. I heard it and I'm like, you know what? I'm basically, that's like inspired me to want to do the album too. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, this shit's so crazy. Like, it's time for niggas to hear this. Base, let's do an album.

Fuck it. It's time for niggas to hear this shit. Yeah. You know what? Let's do an album. Fuck it. You know what? We're going to do a small film with the album.

Right. You know what? You know what I'm saying? Right. Fuck it. You know what I'm saying? For real because niggas need to hear this shit. Yeah.

No, listen, that asses need to hear this shit. I don't know if people have heard it or not. Nah, that shit is crazy. That's one of my favorite projects this year by far. Again, just because of the type of raping that y'all are doing. Right, right. And then the type of the type of things y'all are talking about. It's just a different thing that's happening.

With everything else going on right now, that's just a whole different. Man, I want people to know that I'm so comfortable occupying the space that I occupy. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be out here competing with niggas for their spot. I'd rather be running my spot doing my shit, watching my niggas come up. I'm saying, doing what I'm doing what I'm doing, sitting on the couch with y'all niggas. You know what I'm saying?

I'd rather be doing that than any motherfucking thing in the world. Taking care of my family. Look at India. I'm saying, my wife over there Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I'd rather be doing that shit

I'm my nigga City Boy, Bo no Harlem. Yeah. I'd rather be doing this shit, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. To anything. Benny, do you ever feel pressure like I've watched with

the Clips album coming out? I saw what they tried to say about Hobe before 444. I even see what they say about Drake now about changing your content and not always rapping because I don't think you do that at all but I also don't think the clips

Drake or Hove did that either, but they get that stamp on them that their content doesn't change. Is that a pressure this far into your career that maybe I need to stop rapping about certain shit? To be honest with you, sometimes it is, but like I said, you know, I'm occupying a certain spot for certain people.

And if people don't want to hear that from me, they don't got to listen to it, you know what I'm saying? And the people who listen to it, they love that shit. They want me to continue more of that shit. They felt I need it. They felt I'm not talking about the street shit enough. I'm like, man, they don't think I'm doing it enough. Yeah.

Because I was on the side of the clips. So it's like, like I said, man, I'm just having fun with this shit and occupying my space, man, and giving the streets music. You know, the gels love this shit. The jails love this shit. You know, niggas always compared to Grisel to run to the locks. You know what I'm saying?

Shout out to big bros. And I'm not trying to say we on a level, no shit like that. When I'm just trying to say it's like, when people say that, They just like, y'all remind of those times. That's what I'm saying. So you know what they're saying.

So you know what they're saying. Yeah. Vinnie, listen, listen, listen. Now, son, respectfully, the Griselda run, this BSF run that y'all niggas is on. This shit is like for at least six years straight, like y'all niggas been. And when niggas think about that,

locks run that when they power the, that shit wasn't even six years. Mm-hmm. That shit was a three-year, four-year solidified. These niggas is solidify. We love these niggas, you heard. Y'all niggas been on a seven-year run like this. Eight-year run like this.

So, you know, real shit. Don't look at y'all selves like y'all second to that. No, I feel what you saying. I feel what you saying. Y'all niggas is on par with that. It's a whole generation of niggas that came up off of BSF, that came up off of Griselda. 100%. The same way y'all niggas came up off of the locks.

Don't, don't, don't put your niggis second to that. That's what I'm saying is because it's like, like I said, like, we occupy that space for certain people. You know what I'm saying? That's tell me everything I need to know about what I'm doing and what I need to keep doing. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that.

Zip, I'll do you one better. All right. Griselda may not have all about the Benjamin's or whatever, but, and there's no disrespect to the locks, but Grisilda created an entire business model for artists that aren't even on Grisilda to continue on with merch, shows. The whole underground movement was the blueprint of Grzilda right now. As much as I love the locks, the locks never created an entire. genre of artists moving forward.

Like, we ain't going to do this right now. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm saying. The DSP, right? I loved a lot. But to me, to me, they're all about the, let me lay my point. To me, they're all about the Benjamin's is creating an entire genre for the underground to be profitable. Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. To me, that's what Grizzleda has done. Even if you're not signed a Griselda, Blacksopano family, uh, drumwork, anything like that, you still now have this lane where it's a bunch of underground fans that want to pay for tickets. Right. merch, stream shit. They created a genre, in my opinion.

And I'm just saying, and I'm saying, I'm just saying it's like, when things get said like that is when we mention any near that type of cloth. That tells me everything I need to know what I need to keep doing. The artists that I need to bring. I'm saying that let me know, okay, I'm saying they look at this shit like it's this.

So, niggas got to carry your tuckling. Nah, they be thinking that the younger crowd, like, you got to chase the younger crowd. I feel like the younger crowd is only going to be young for a certain amount of time. Then they're going to be old forever. Can you do that shit? You understand what I'm saying? You're going to be old forever. Like, and then you understand what I'm saying? You're going to have to patch

in with a certain type of sound. Like you can't be doing that Russian dance for a long time. And we get young fans, man. We do shows over tour. I mean shows on tour overseas. Yeah. Like it's 15, 16 year old kids there. Yeah, because it's real rap. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shit, when we were in London with Rock Marcyon, like it was 15 year olds.

Yeah. Rock Marcy. Yeah. Another rock, another guy that No, Rock is with them. Created by that lane in that sound. Legend in this shit. Oh, my God. I think it's him and Griselda that define this entire era.

My favorite guys, right, obviously outside of Benny and Khan and West, is guys like Fuego, you know, guys like Earl Holden. You know what I'm saying? I'm listening to guys like that. Shout out to Sule. Sulei. Al-Doh. Like, I'm listening to, I find myself listening to that because it's, you know, Rome. Rome streets.

It's, you know. Ransome. Ransome. Ransom. Like spashing them, niggas. It's still a lot of guys, spash. A lot of guys that still, you know, they spit in and they rap in the way that, you know, where I used to had the headphones on going to school, it gave me that feeling.

It gave me that vibe. It's that type of, that type of energy. So I appreciate y'all keeping that type of rap. The new clue tape, Nick. Right. No, we need that. Yeah. 100% because that's the energy that's needed.

Yeah. And they try to act so they try to act like it needs to go away. And they, I don't want people. No. Come on, man. So, niggas, like the clue tape was getting more spins than the radio in the hood. Oh, for sure. We need that shit.

Like, everybody can. People just want to press play and get that feeling. Right. Yeah. I'm saying? And get that, get that, you get that. Shit that a nigga going through. That's it.

That's it. That's it. Like, fuck, everybody ain't partying in the club having fun all the time. Yeah, give us another side of it. Give us another perspective. Yeah. We understand that. But, yeah, like, right.

You should see. Right. You should see what this shit inspired these niggies to do. You already know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. This is, this music is ultimate motivation for street guys, you know what I'm saying? Now, we need that shit, bro. And it's not on no bad shit neither, you know what I'm saying?

Niggers see us with our families all the time. Niggas talk about being with their daughters. And I'm saying, niggas talking about togetherness. You know what I'm saying? We really mean family when we say that shit. Everybody is family. Like you said, we accept it. It's a nigga from Hartford.

Right. My nigga Bono and Bundy. I'm saying them niggas from SV. You know what I'm saying? We from Buffalo. You know what I'm saying? Sulee from Patterson. Right.

Malik you from Rochester, you know what I'm saying? It's like a collection of niggas from different cities. Yeah. You just name the scariest cities I've ever been to. Yeah. But the story is the same everywhere you go. Like, and that's what like, I've been a Patterson lately? No, and I ain't going.

Like, my shit is like, like, I ain't going to no slums. Why I'm visiting the slums? I come from there. Fuck that. I know we're going to go on there. I don't need to see that. You're doing the show there.

Okay, cool, but I ain't just visiting that. Yo, I ain't going to lie. My paper still comes. from the slums. Yeah. And they love me. You got to go some spots. Some spots,

it might be like six dudes put the money together. Yeah. From the front of their plot to give me on the feature in the video. That's fire. You know what I'm saying?

Like, for real. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's fine. They feel that shit so much. They have to do a song with you. You know what I'm saying? They got to just vibe with you

because that's a lot of times when niggas is paying for, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, I'd be doing that long as long as they're that really don't rap. I'll be trying to like, man they don't got no nothing on YouTube

nothing. You just be one to be in the hole when you know you could tell like yeah. The nigga got the idea to do the song with you when he heard your shit and he had some money laying around like man I'm gonna get a feature from this thing

like man we got dope for real call them. Yeah, real shit. Just like that shit. That's a crazy person on all this deal you know. I be having dudes like

trying to cop for me at shows like yo You know, it's like Philly, Philly, everybody pulled me to the side. I heard you say such and such a grand. You know what? Like, yo, bro, base, I know you got it. I'm like, bro, I'm just rapping this shit, bro.

I'm just rapping. I'm just rapping. Yeah, bro. You bug it. That's crazy. You know, facts and all dudes, you pull him into the side. Like, yo, man, I'm not arcana in the trap shit real, bro. How much, how much them shit's going for?

I heard you say 25. You know, that's day to be dead serious. Yeah, fuck that merch. They got to need something else. NAR can't be in the merch is crazy Yo You won't believe

I got an idea Yeah Yeah Yeah So the whole You know I was I was I was

I was in the club recently And somebody like Try to give me some cut Oh niggins Try to give my son Some knock on knock Yo I swear

I swear to God I don't know how it happened Like we in bucks in a spot We're chilling man Dude like Days you need some drink I packed up I got the fuck up out of there

like I asked what he said What you say to me, bray? I asked him there like he disrespect What you say to me, brother? He said,

Drake. What did you thought I was slang? I'm like, oh shit. Yeah, you're talking all that shit of these songs,

man, I do that. They do that. They do that. Yeah. That's crazy as fuck. That's some funny shit, man. So,

Benny, damn another thing. I feel like I've got to catch up with this nigga on camera. I hate the shit. But, um, the Drake verse, the Drake song.

You sent that to me years ago. Right. And then what was it, Rory? They put the out, Benny was great to put the song out. Yeah. And Drake didn't clear it. Exactly.

Have you had any conversations with him during that moment or post that moment? Like, was it any like? Right before. What was that conversation like? We need to drop this. Mm-hmm. I'm saying. He told me he was like, damn, we should have been dropped this.

Yeah. I'm like, shit, I'm about to drop it. Mm-hmm. Now, you sent me that song years ago. Yeah. That's an old song. Yeah. This was, what year was it when you, when Benny played?

I did. It was on YouTube floating around somewhere. You know what I'm saying? It's like 7 a.m. It's like 7 a.m. in Buffalo or some shit. Let me get it. I'm going to put that out. Dead ass.

I'm about to come out right now. Benny the butcher and Drake. Let's get to that. I got you. I got you. I'm going to send it to you. Ben, you think it was just. Anything was bad timing or?

Because he probably had a lot going on. I probably was. It probably was. But fuck it. You know, people wanted to hear the record. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Sitting on the record. Yeah, I remember when I heard he was finally putting it out. I'm trying to see when you sent it. That probably was like pan-down. But to be honest with you, I wasn't thinking about the record. That was before pandemic.

Yeah. Until he hit me up out of nowhere and said it. You know what I'm saying? He was like, shit. Damn. You should have put this record out. Mm-hmm. You were holding it and then put it out?

Hell no, because I can't put, I can't put the record out without his clearance anyway, you know what I'm saying? So I never tried to put the record out, though. I never tried to put the record out. But when you got it, because you got it before the pandemic, I believe. Because at least when you sent it to me to have 2019. When he played it for us, it was definitely before the pandemic. Man, I was still up north. Yeah.

Yeah. I came home September 2020. Oh, yeah, you came right home middle of the pandemic. I'm saying? So you had a conversation and he said he wasn't going to, he couldn't clear it. Because I think was it, what was going on around that time? Because I can't remember exactly when you tried to drop this. I don't know.

You know, you know, you know what I'm saying? Was it that? Was that happening? Around the push time? Oh, that, okay, yeah. How you felt with no 20 niggas versus Drake? How you felt about that? You know, that was crazy.

You ain't want to jump in? Hell no. I don't got nothing to do with that shit. That ain't jumping into that would have been hilarious. I don't got any point. I don't do it. I'm doing that shit. Only if it was something personal,

that's the only time I address anything on a song with a nigga. I hate doing that shit. But no, I thought that was crazy, though. It was good for the moment. A lot of rap came on in that moment. You think that kind of like kind of fuck shit up a little bit?

Yes. The music ain't been the same. I be in the clubs. I'll be outside. I don't give a fuck with nobody say. I'd be in them spots. Music ain't been the same since like three years ago. It was a different vibe in the club.

Because if you're right, but that shit people don't want to say, though. Huh? I say, you right, but that shit people don't want to say. I don't give a fuck what they want to say. I'm going to say what I want to say. Music been different. I swear to God. We miss him.

We miss him. We miss him. They put the music on from 2020, 2020, 2021, 20. It'd be a vibe. You heard you be in. Then they start playing that shit from 2024, 2024, 2025, and you be action shorty. You're ready to go? It's not wrong.

That's how it be in the spot. You got to play with the holes. Like, man. Like, yo, word them up. Drake created a whole, like, lane for niggas. Like, when he put a song out, 40 niggas make a song like that. We like four of them.

Yeah. Five of them. You know what I'm saying? So now, Drake got seven songs. We missed that nigga. We missed that nigga. We missed that nigga. We miss that nigga.

You're working up the summer. The club is lit. Even if you don't like the record, you like the vibes at that record bring. Like the energy. You like the vibes at that record brings. Other niggas make songs like this too. You know?

I'm saying like we missed that shit, bro. Like, I ain't gonna lie, I'll be outside. Snuggish don't want to say that. Niggas don't be wanting to say that shit. Yeah, I'm saying, but I mean, certain people are starting to say it now. They obviously are like, yo, you could fill the gap. Like, you know, like something is missing. The energy is different.

But I look at a lot of different ways. I think it gave room for a lot of other dudes to get their shit off. Whether or not you can fill that gap is a whole other conversation. I think it's very hard. That shit ain't get off, though. Right, no, that's what I'm saying. I think it's very hard to fill that gap of Drake. Obviously, he's the most streamed rapper every year the last 11 years.

You're not going to fill that void. But I think that it gave, it did a lot of things. I think it won. I think it proved Drake's worth more than we already all knew. But I also think that it gave opportunity for other guys to kind of get their shit off and to try to, you know, have a moment. Maybe because, you know, a lot of these niggas, a lot of these niggas is, you know, we, niggas like us, we're doing shit whenever.

You know what I'm saying? A lot of these niggas, they got to have, you know what I'm saying? They got to make sure everything is moving out their way. Yeah. So they can do what they do. You know, because their situation is based on the numbers. And I get it. They play in that game.

But that's why I love the shit that we do. We can do shit whenever, whenever, how we want tour overseas and shit like that. And don't play the politics of this rap shit. It's a different thing. You know what I'm saying? That's the biggest thing I don't like about this shit is the weird politics. They try to make it seem like it's business. But it ain't, it's politics.

It's politics. It's a lot of personal. shit. It's a lot of things built on relationships. Should it scare you. She'd run you away from the business, you know what I'm saying? So back when I be seeing like, west of economy, they don't be wanting to do this shit, I'm saying, niggas got valid

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The Jonas Brothers here. Our podcast is called Hey Jonas. We're here, since everyone has a podcast, we want it to as well. And we've had some incredible guests so far. And now our good friend, Nile Horn, is joining the show. How's it going, boys? Hey, Niall. It's the same thing with Slow Hands.

Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can't be about food. You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done. You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your podcast. Now, Bates, what's one of the things you learned about being an artist and putting out music that surprised you the most? Shit, the money.

It's a valid answer. My son, digger. That's a great answer. It's a great answer. It's a really good answer. It's a problem, man. I started getting money. Like, my phone was booming.

That's what I want to know. I used to get that shit. I'd be feeling like I stole that shit. times, bro. Thanks. I'm like, yeah, what the fuck? I felt like that

with a YouTube check one time. That nigga sent me some shit. I was like, oh my God. Yo, bro, I mean.

But talking? Yeah. Man, I got this spot in Atlanta like a nice little spot for me. Like, you can pay for that. Yeah.

But like, like I'm sitting in there and these people had sent me somebody and I start looking around this shit. I'm getting by myself, me and my dog. You know,

I'm telling me, I start looking around this shit. I'm like, yo, like for real? Like, what the fuck? Like, we ain't do nothing of nobody to get this shit.

Bro, they're like, like, I ain't going to lie. Bro, that's a real story. I learned too. We didn't do nothing to nobody. I ain't do nothing to nobody, bro. Like, like, like, they can't come take this shit.

Like, I can tell them people my name and shit. Like, I love that you, that you put harm next to profit. Yo, I'm trying to say you. Yo, we ain't do nothing to nobody for this. That's a funny feeling sometimes. Like, like, like, like, one thing I had learned. Like, like, like, like,

like, like, but say shit that. He probably don't know I'm paying attention to, but I take some of that shit and keep it forever. Like, you know what I'm saying? I heard them say sometimes it's like, bro, you might get big money. It's not always fast. Like, it'll slow up.

Like, I remember, like, I made some money one weekend. I'm like, what the fuck? My, fuck that money up so fast. Because I thought, like, well, I'm lit now. You know what I'm back to square one. There, man. I'm about there to do some shit, right? I'm like, what the fuck just happened?

But then I learned. Like, so when I get decent amounts of money, I try to know what I want to do with the money outside of, like, just living, like, as far as investments and different shit like that. Make another play, yeah. Yeah, like, you know what I mean? So it was like, I got other shit going on,

like outside the rack. I think that you have the perfect person, you know, obviously the guys you do this shit in Benny. Being from, you know, a city that, quote unquote, got overlooked and, you know, left out of conversations, obviously with Benny and Wes and Conway were able to do coming from Buff. You know, I think being next to him

and letting him kind of, like you said, say certain things to you and you just hold on to that. It means, it resonates a little differently. Man, I remember motherfucking, One of them tours, it might have been like the first one. And I had can to a show. I think that shit was in Amityville or some shit like that. Long Allen?

Yeah, and this nigga City boy was at the merch table. I think he had like 50 hoodies. I counted them, motherfuckers. And that night my phone was going crazy. And then I'm like, man, that motherfucker man, more money selling hoodies, though. Facts, that motherfucker is so 50 in them things. I think they was 80.

I got the counting and this shit. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, So I'm telling the homies, I'm like, yo, man, like, start looking at that nigga over there, man. That's a $50, $100 hoodies, motherfucker. You listen, I can't. That's why I said Brazil to start in this whole shit. When you say that, when you say that, that blueprint changed my life financially. Because I'm not doing nothing that I haven't seen them do.

Like, if it wasn't for, like, me getting an opportunity to watch them do shit, I wouldn't know what to do with this shit. I don't do nothing but what I see them do. And I just try not to bother them and do it on my own. Like, you feel me? Of course, I'm going to get rice or some shit like that. But it's like, man, man, them niggas sell shirts. Man, y'all niggas figure out how the fucking make some shirt. Go get the printer.

Like, you feel what I'm saying? City boy got one. Like anything I see the muggins got, I want one. Real story. You feel what I'm saying? Real story before we move anywhere further. And I was listening to the ashes in the safe joint, right? In the song, I don't know the name of the song.

But Fuego says some shit now. I turned the album on. Rory, no, I do I clean the crib. That's when I listen to music. It's kind of like background. I don't like to just sit in really dissecting. I want to just hear it and I'm gonna catch something.

I'm spraying the calendar or we clean and all that just finished the dishes on my domesticated shit. This nigga Fuego said when I learned how to cut dope I was a virgin still. I had to cut that shit off.

I can't clean the house. My son was bagging up patched. I ain't never. Yo, I can't say, I can't say I can't say Lynn. Because like he changed his life. He's a Christian now. That comes first.

31's long with the tautics of my whole time. I was bagging those. up, I never got no pussy. I stole low to get pussy. 100%. That's where it comes from after that. What are you talking about? I'm taking me, you know what?

I'm taking me, me, me, me, but I'm like, I'm here I am cleaning the kids. I can't listen to this, man. I know how to cut dope before I got some pussy. That's a fact. Yo, let me actually, like, what's your advice for the niggas that rap like y'all niggas though? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, cause this niggis that rap like that, but they, like, they feel like, oh, yo, I gotta do this kind of rap. but they know it's not for y'all like you like if you can if they could compromise you then this shit like we don't compromise like we know what we want with this shit yeah i don't want to rap like them niggins but i'll be telling that's what i listen to you feel what i'm saying but that's not like well i'd be compelled to make like you feel what i'm saying i just go in there and talk and it's for niggas that understand it like like he said if you don't they don't listen to it like so it's like i'm like you said like i don't want to be no older nigger trying to rap like these little

niggas and shit like we do we do i don't got like the same problems or this is what i'm It is, though, Zit. This is what I tell niggas, though, because it's just like the industry on a micro scale. You know what I'm saying? You got the, you got the bennies, the Wess's, the specious, the O.T., the rails, the basses. I'm saying? The producers, that's all in this certain lane that we do. Mm-hmm.

You know what I'm saying? So you got to get with those niggas. You know what I'm saying? Just like if you was trying to get a club record, you would go get Cardi B. You know what I'm saying? If you're trying to make your movement in this lane, who you got to go get. You know what I'm saying? With the patch.

patching with the patch, you know what I'm saying? And that's going ultimately build in a sudden. And I see a lot of people, I see there's other artists who doing that, you know what I'm saying, who have no affiliation with Griselda. You know what I'm saying? They just, they might got a feature with me. They might got a feature with him. They might have feature with Conway. They're just

patching in with the patch, you know what I'm saying? I'll be seeing them niggas at my shows. I'm like, oh, you're performing? And I'm like, hell yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's patched in with the patched in. I'm saying, so that's what they got to do, you know what I mean? It's like the industry on the microsquare. We all working with the same producers. We are working with the same distributors, you know what I'm saying? These distributors got a lot of us on these, I'm saying, doing business with a lot of us, you know what I'm saying?

So, just got to patch in and knowing who the players are. That's the most important part of this shit is knowing who the players are, knowing who to patch in with. You got to be around to learn that, you know what I'm saying? I was doing shit. I tell the story all the time. I used to be seeing niggas. I used to be seeing niggas who was part of the patch doing shows. I'll pop up at their show.

Act like I was there randomly, you know what I'm saying? Just for wreck. Just for wreck. Oh, damn, Benny, what you're doing here? shit I don't know what I mean that it was around I probably drove four hours ago to lying like a morpaw I'm saying I'm gonna get to pick with the nigger or I'm gonna get to open up you know what I'm saying and that meant something you know I'm saying at those times you know I'm saying so I just got to patch in with this shit you know I'm

saying you know people eyes don't be on the price they be trying to they be trying to they be trying to fill Drachews right you know what I'm saying they'd be too busy doing that missing terribly right right yeah I'm saying Benny I want to ask you just because you know I've why I've why you go from being independent to putting out the Griselda album on Shady to being with Rock Nation, now running your own label. How do you feel about the stove situation and granted, none of us really know exactly what's going on with that, but what is your view with with Stove God and baby Grange and everything

that's going on? Because you've been through every situation, I feel like, and now being, you know, a label owner, you know how this shit move. Yeah, man. What do you feel about the stove thing? Man, it's unfortunate, you know what I'm saying, about that. You know what I'm saying? It ain't like I read the contract or nothing.

Like I know, like, what's going on like that. No, but just what he said about it, that they wanted 50K, he showed up with the 50K cash. And then he was like, nah, we want 250. That's what he said. I don't think. I don't think, you know what I'm saying? And like I said, I'm on outside looking in.

Who the fuck am I? Yeah. But this is what I think. This is my personal opinion. This is the shit I would tell my niggas if the cameras was off. I think the person who's controlling that situation is it loves that more than they would love the money. What I'm saying?

Loves controlling the situation. Yeah. I'm saying? I think that's more important than the money to that person. Benny, I said the exact same thing. You just said off mic to somebody else yesterday. I think they love this more than trying to get money.

Sell my interest and y'all not have to call me to deal with, you know, he on fire right now. Right. This nigga is one of the hottest niggas in the streets right now. Benny, I said, you're going to be the same fucking thing. Y'all got to call me. call me. I don't want the money. I want the phone calls. Right. That's what he said that he had the 50 phone. That's weird as fuck.

Yeah, but that's the games that go on in this industry. Oh, imagine. I don't want to talk about. Everything I'm talking about now is going to fuck me over because I got a stow verse on my album that yeah. But I'm always going to keep it a buck. I feel the exact same way Benny does. I think you're just doing this shit for fun at this like you like you like what's going on rather we could just settle the shit and it could be done. That's crazy, son. Yep, that's what the niggis like being in the control of this shit. That's. That's weird, you know what I'm saying? That's weird.

And unfortunate. And granted, I could also be objective to, like, allegedly whatever stove had done with Even and this and that. But you could clear that up. Like, let's just add the money to it and call it a day. And we'll be fine. Yeah. I see why he would feel away in the beginning.

But what are he doing now is, it's unnecessary. Like, you holding back such a great artist for no fucking reason. And you know, these people, you know what I'm saying? from my knowledge of who that person is. You have no idea who we're talking about. Been in this business for a long time. You know how these people play

when they used to plan by the old rules? There's new rules to this shit if people haven't seen what's going on. You know what I'm saying? There's new rules to this shit. And you just got to make sure, man, I'm so thankful that I got into this shit

with my family. What I'm saying? And I wasn't under none of those weird contracts and those shit. that or it wasn't on the table to me to move how I move because I move like that with myself and I move like that with my artist, you know what I'm saying? So I'm happy I don't play those tactics and no shit like that or I haven't been a victim of those tactics, you know what I'm saying? Before we let y'all go real quick, Fuego, who's some of the guys you're looking

forward to getting on the track with that you probably haven't had a chance and an opportunity to work with yet and some of the producers? Nobody. Yeah, I don't care about it. What about producers? That nigga bass said. Producers? Like, have it. I want to do more. I did the joint with habit.

I would like to do more. Have it. And like maybe the Rizzo one day. That'd be dope. That'd be dope. A lot of retirement. Yeah. Like dudes like that.

Like the, like that, like the real grimy shit I grew up on like bucket list shit. Like I would love to do that. Yeah. Yeah. But like the rappers, like the rappers don't like, why? I don't got no verses for no rappers. Why not? Y'all don't see, I don't know.

That's what I'm trying to say. Y'all don't see me like with the rappers too much. So, so they give me some vera. I don't want to work with them. It's like they don't want to work with me. I bump into them. They all tell me I'm nice. Right.

But nobody's sending no verse. You ain't sent no verse. You ain't sent no verse. Or they didn't send no verse or no email. I send it to you. Right. Like, I'm ready at all times. You feel I'm saying?

So I'm not like, I'm good. Like I said. my boss, my favorite rapper. None of y'all niggas can rap better than Butch. I don't get fuck. I get a bunch of every song. I'd be cool with that. If I need a feature, if I need a feature, I'm like, I got Benny the Butcher.

Like, you feel what I'm saying? This nigga about to scor some shit. You're about to scorch some shit. You're about to scorch the shit for the rest of the year. In the minute, in the minute, in the minute, they're going to be mad. They ain't send me no shit. Yeah. In the minute.

Oh, that's how to stick up. Yeah. Because when I can bring me for a verse. When I can grandstand. Yeah. I'm going to pop mine on niggins. When this nigga album drop, you know what I mean when this nigga album drop. And I ain't even frying.

Harlem will tell you, like, Harlem will tell you. Like, Harlem, like, who you want for a feature? I said, man, get butch on there. Yeah. I don't care. Yeah. I don't care. When is the, because I, obviously, I see what y'all doing.

Is it the Fuego album, is, is you getting up for that? Hell yeah. That's this year. We're getting that? Hell yeah. Soon. Soon. Soon.

I need a foiego and Flames dot Malik project, age verse bass. James said he wanted me the host that I do that. Age verse base. That would be crazy. I need that though. Age verse base. Shit, man. I need that for the summer,

right? That shit almost finished. Like, that ain't about nothing. Like, like, I work like, like,

I work with everybody, like, like, as far as like that. So let me not say that like that. Because it's like, I'm like, I got a rap family.

Like, you feel what I'm saying? Like, I'm B-SF. Like, like if anything, I'm gonna rap with the homies before I rap with these people. Nah, I ain't gonna lie like you with everybody.

You are. Hell, Camino. You were flamed. That's what I'm saying. I got work with everybody. Like, eventually when I got the time, like, I want to do a project like with everybody. Especially, like, well, my shit going is like, that's my duty. Like, you feel what I'm saying?

Like, I want to work more with BSF. Like, you feel what I'm saying? Do more shit. Like without even. I like that age versus base. Like, like, co-signing it. You feel what I'm saying? Like, not like, not cosining it, but like, he don't got to tell me that.

You feel what I'm saying? I told them, niggies that shit like, we're going to work regardless. Let's go. I host that shit and all that last. No, yeah, I went there. We need that shit for the streets, right? We need to have the Narcan before that come out. Nogcan is fired.

Yeah, that shit going to cause a lot of ODs and shit like that. No. Yeah, facts. That's five. That's the speedball. That's a speedball. That's a mean one. They got to have the people ready to pick these folks up off the curb.

Yo, listen, man. I love the fact that you snatch Fuego, man. I love the fact that you snatch Fuego and. Hell yeah, man. Shit, thanks to Benny the motherfucking butcher. You heard? I watched it like, man, I don't help a lot of people, bro. I'm a real good nigga.

You heard? Yeah, he just helped a lot of people. He just forgot about his bro, though, since he started to get money. I'm sitting back watching. I'm saying back watching, man. You know, I got to talk about shit. I got to talk about shit with Benny, man. I got to talk about shit only because I know he's going to talk his shit to me,

so I got to get my shit off first. That's all. But Benny, I appreciate you. My brother is always good seeing you. I don't want to talk to. you through your gap on camera again, man. Let's link, let's connect, man. I know you're in and out

of New York, but listen, we definitely got to connect. Rory, man. Yeah, man. Go come hollat y'all at your boys, man. Bring it. Fuego, I love everything you're doing, man. I'm a fan. Listen, I, listen, I just can't clean the crib listening to Fuego, man. That's what you said. It just put me in a whole different mindset. I was like,

nah, man, I got, I got, I got lavender in the end. Sometimes you can't play that shit around the kids. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, yo, Frego, we got to do this another time. I got the county. I got wind deck so. I'm like, nah, not. That's definitely not for the kids.

Yeah, nah, nah, that's definitely not for the kids. But I'm happy for everything y'all got going on, man. Benny,

thank you for everything that you do. Love, love. Love to see you. Fuego, salute. Keep doing your thing. Keep your foot on the gas. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm my boy right there. I'm proud of your zip. Yeah, man. Yeah, and proud of you too zip, niggas. See you grinded doing this shit,

baby. I look good on you. Chell niggas. Look what the culture gathers. Yeah, niggas for the way. Look at the culture of gabers, man. Yeah.

It's my nigga, man. Fly bum-ass nigga right. Right. You said right. You said right. When you got the solo project coming out, come back. You got to come back. Yeah, hell yeah.

I'm coming back. When the solo joint come out, you got to come back. Come kick it. Yeah. I'm being as soon. I'm invited. Yeah, no, that's a fact. I'm that nigga.

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