New Rory & MAL - Episode 502 | 38 Spesh

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

Rochester’s own, 38 Spesh drops by to chop it up with the guys about upstate rappers taking over. He speaks on being around Griselda from the jump, Jadakiss’ influence, and being a child when Nas dropped Illmatic. The crew reacts to Complex’s Top 50 New York Rappers of All Time list, and 38 Spesh shares his feelings about upstate rappers being left off the list. He shares some stories of recording some of his best verses, and a caller asks about rappers who surprised everyone on their guest verses. His new album, 8 Shots, is out now! All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-foreverSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. That we had this gone. But this is somebody that we supported for a while. We've been talking about having on for a while. So he's finally here today. Shaking the internet up. Over the last couple of days with some things he's been talking about. And my soundtrack to Philly and back over the weekend.

Eight shots available now. If you haven't gotten that. Today, we are joined by Rochester's very own 38 special. It's in the building. Trust. Trust. What's going on, fan? Hey, man.

I'm chilling, man. I'm feeling great, man. Good to have you here, man. We've been talking about having you on for a minute. So, you know, timing is everything. Yeah, man. I appreciate you having me. You won't know it's crazy.

about me dropping eight shots right now is that you was one I remember when I dropped five shots you was one of the first ones you actually you know talked about it yeah covered it you know what I'm saying and that was the first it was a record on there called yesterday I remember you was talking about and five shots was the first time I had actually produced a project a whole body of work okay it was like a test okay you know I mean let me see how the people responded to that yeah so hearing that was good reactions from that actually gave me the confidence to say, oh, okay, let me continue on, you know, producing these. So, you know, that's dope, though.

You know, I never got a chance to, you know, thank you for that, though. Appreciate that, bro. That's another thing I want to point out, too. He's not just rapping, like, Spech is producing a lot of this shit as well, if not most of it. Right. You know what I mean, like, that's something that we don't talk about a lot with, you know, I think we had the conversation with rappers, slat that produced their own stuff. Yeah.

Rock was one of the guys that we saluted. Right. But Spech is in that same category as well of, you know, being able to pull out, because it's not easy to do that as a rap. It's not easy to produce your own music. No, it's not. It's not easy to focus and be nice at both. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Is that something that you set out to do from the beginning, or was it something that you just found it for? Was you a producer first and then started writing bars, or was you writing bars first and then started producing? I started them both very early, but I started rapping first. I started rapping like, I was like a kid rapper like seven. years old, looking up to my older bros and shit. Yeah.

But then I started producing probably at like 14. Okay. You know what I'm saying? What were you using? MPC. Okay. Shout out the DC Maestro OG back in my town. Okay.

Talked me how to use it as a young kid. I used to, older drug dealers used to pay for studio time and would bring me like, yo, bring him because I knew how to make the beat. Mm-hmm. And that was my access to get around the equipment. Okay. You know, from me doing that, I end up becoming nice. on it. And that's how I ended up gaining a relationship with Green Lantern because he heard one of

the beats I made. Okay. I was only 16 when he heard the beat. How did Green hear it? So shout up to my homie, Cuzzle, he was green landing role manager. And he was from my hood. He just knew me as a young nigga that I spit him like, yo, I make beats. He was like, yo, give me a CD. I take it to Green Lanter. I gave him the CD. Green heard a beat on there and said, man, if a 16-year-old made this beat, I need to meet him. Mm, okay. And that's how I met Green, and Green would just have me as his little man around him. I'd be around him as he was making beats and shit.

And I was always rapping, but I was a kid, so he didn't really pay attention to that. You know what I mean? It wasn't until I was 19, and he put me on the spot on time with Smack DVD and a bunch of rappers was on a session, in a station. He liked how I handled myself. When I left that, he was telling motherfuckers I was his artist. because I was his artist. He was introducing me as his artist from that day.

See, I like that. Especially said that because that's very important. Like when you are ushered into certain rooms with certain people, the way you handle yourself. Right. And the way you conduct yourself

in those environments, especially when you're young, it translates and it goes a long way. A lot of people get an opportunity like, you come on, come with me over here. And then they just blow the opportunity because they're in there doing too much,

talking when they're not supposed to overextending themselves. And it's like, you got to understand how to just be cool in certain. moments, observe more than you talking, listen, and just like understand like it's a privilege to be here. So the fact that you said that, like, he liked the way I was moving and how I

handled myself in the room. And now he got you on his wing, like, yo, this is my artist now. Just the way you did that, translate it into a whole other situation. Now he ran around telling people you his artist. So that's important. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people, you know, they blow their shot going in the room and it's like, I'm never taking this nigga no way again. That was a time too. We always talk about obviously flex freestyles, Clue Mixed.

The Green Lantern freestyle shit was a, that was an era. Like that broke a lot of that mid-2000s artists. Like, we went to green. Right. That needs to be on YouTube. They need to find a way to put all those freestyles out in the forefront now. I'm glad you mentioned that because that explains a lot why I rap the way I rap.

I came up in that era watching that. Yeah. You understand? On the ciphers, you got to go. go loud, you know, all of that. Like, I was watching that and I was, you know, that was the shit. So, you know, those are the environments I thrive in,

you know, more of a cipher-based environment where it's a bunch of rappers and we all get our shit off. Yeah. That song shit is some shit I grew to. Yeah, you got to become an artist. Yeah. But the raw talent is, you know, my best environment is

those on the cipher, Greenlanda, freestyle environments. You know what I'm saying? Even with your relationship with Green, Did you still feel like there was a disconnect because you were upstate versus? Because at that time, the city was pretty prominent. Not like it isn't anymore,

but New York City was it at that point. So, you know, definitely it was a disconnect with getting the recognition from New York City, you know, coming from all the way up there. You know, green is from up there. We both from the same place. Yeah. You know, and so that always gave me some type of hope

to know, like, all right, if you're talented enough, motherfuckers from outside of where you're from, you know. They'll find you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to just perfect your craft. And, you know, and Green was a perfect example of that. But, you know, it definitely was a disconnect to get support

from the city seeing you from a place they never heard before. You know, and that took a while. But just like anything, I had to show and prove. Yeah, you know. And I respect that because, you know, just like anything that's brought to us, brand new, it's like, it's hard to say you got to show, when you talk of this rap shit, you know, this is something that you got to show and prove.

Yeah. You know what I mean? It don't, you know, and it took some time because due to the lack of recognition, but, you know, I put the work in. Right. When did you feel that shift? Because as a New Yorker, I can always be objective. Upstate is dominating us and it's not even remotely close.

When did you feel that shift happening where upstate started to kind of be the identity of New York Sound over New York City. Hmm. Like, I've seen it start getting heavy around like 2019, 2020. Yeah. I seen like, okay, you know, they're starting to really, you know, pay some attention. But with the Griselda, it was like, all, you know, that was the start. Like, all right, they starting to pay attention from people over here, you know.

Then it just started getting a little more heavy, you know, around 2019, 2019, 2000. It's like, all right, they see it's talent up here. You know what I'm saying? And starting to respect it. You know, it's one thing. It's like, oh, now, y'all got to watch out for them upstate boys. Right. You know what I mean?

Like, you know, so, yeah, about 2019, 2020, where it was all the way like, oh, okay, now they're here. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? And it's like an unspoken thing. Like, you know, when you're from New York City to five boroughs, of course, we know Rochester, Syracuse, we know all of that up there.

We know Buffalo. But people outside of New York City don't understand, like, that part of New York. They just think five boroughs when they think in New York. Right. And I'll be trying to tell people like, you know it's like some real wild shit that goes on outside of the five boroughs of New York. The state of New York, probably wilder. It's insane. It's insane.

You got to realize, man, due to lack of opportunity, it's going to be a lot more attention. Yeah. You know, a lot more poverty. Mm-hmm. Which means a lot more chaos. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, man, you know, a lot of people unfamiliar with it until they either go to college.

Yeah, right. Or prison. Right. That's when we all brought together. You realize, hold on, it's other energies in this state. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? That's actually a very fair point because for me it was college.

I went up to Binghamton and I was like, oh, this is a whole world up here. Yeah. Binghamton was like my first. Then I went up to Cuse, went up to Rochester, Buffalo. like we would do the whole circuit right up there right and just parties and shit and yeah it's a whole different world whole different energy yeah right facts but definitely much more chaotic and i'll say i felt always fucking way more unsafe up there that did down yeah it's a lot more unsafe you know i would have to agree you know what i'm saying you know we drove through niagara once i was

like yo get me the fuck back to new york south Niagara falls man yeah yeah right right next to canada Yeah, the New York side. Yeah, you know, listen, but that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, yeah, yeah. But to me, that kind of helped because now when the flood happened, just like, people want like, oh, should, they got stories up there. too. They got something to say too. They got a whole different energy. Like you said, it's a whole lot of things going on. So I think in a way, it kind of helped not being heard so soon with the rest of New York City to Five Burroughs. And then people finding upstate rappers and hearing those stories like, oh shit, this is a whole untapped part of New York that we don't know

about. Right. Different perspective too. Different perspective and slang. Right. The way they say things. It's just a whole different, but it's still New York, though. Definitely. You know what I mean? So I think it was a gift in the curse that it kind of happened when it did. And I mean, I'm saying the unsafe thing, but the positive side of it, I always felt like upstate when I got to know a lot of upstate guys, like a lot of Griselda's cousins are Kappa's that went to Buff State and shit. So I was around like the Grisota family early because they would just be always willing to work with somebody, want to collab on something.

It's not so much like it is down here where we're really standoffish. Everyone in Buff was down to work with anybody. If we can make something happen, let's do it. Like it's a more welcoming energy. So as much as I say unsafe, sure. But it is of, hey, if we could both benefit from this, let's do it. It's a warmer feeling, I think, up there than it is down here, which is why I think upstate took over.

Not to say that they all unified per se, but everyone's working together, creating a sound. Oh, you're from Rochester, you from above. That don't matter. Right. We're battling fucking all of 85 all the way down to New York City. Like, shout out to I, too, my man, Eto. That's my God. He's from up there.

Definitely. Yeah, that's my man, Etho. He'll go back since, like, 16 years old. That's my man right there. I fuck with Etho. Shut up. Something I always wanted to ask you, special, how the hell did you get to do an entire project with Kooji Rap? How do what fuck did that happen?

Shout out to DJ Premier. Okay. Shout to Prim. That was Prim, man. Like, well, helping me because I told Prim, I'm like, yo, Prim, man. I told him the whole idea. Like, I want to make an album like, you know, saluting G rap, man. You know, I really respect what he brought.

That's fine. I'm like, you know, he was like, word. He was like, I hit him. I'm like, yo, man, hit him, man. You know, let's do a record, man. And, you know, and he put the play together. And then when I did the record with G and I sat down and I explained it to him, he was like, man, I'd be an honor, man.

That's dope. He was like, yo, you dope, man. And I'd be an honor. And I'm like, word, man. And then we just started working on it. But it was crazy because I had it finished in 2014, bro. And they didn't know what to do with it. Wow.

So I just held on to it for four years. Okay. That's the beauty about making timeless music and not following trend. Yeah. If I was trying to change radio records and club records. It wouldn't work. It sounded be different for you. It wouldn't work.

You'd have to scrap all of that shit. Yeah. I was able to hold on to the project for four years until I learned the business and learned the proper way to release it. Yeah. Because, you know, I was just spending my money just moving off passion and shit. And I'm like, hold on, I got something here. I'm going to just throw this out. I'm like, let me learn some shit.

plus the climate of music was different in 2014. Yeah. Oh, 1,000%. Think about that. I'm like, that's saying, I don't know. That wouldn't work. Nobody wanted to hear G-Rog of 2014. Appreciate that.

Like, 2014 climate of music was different. Yeah. So I'm like, hold on. Let me hold on to this. And I held on to it for four years. And right around the time when the climate was changing, people were starting to care about lyrics and shit. Yeah.

It was the start of the new underground. It was the start of the new underground. Plus, on the mainstream, you had shit like, you know, push a teen and Drake, which, you know, or, or, you know, all of those battles, all of those battles from the bigger artists help with lyricism. Yeah. Put focus on, okay. Everybody started paying attention to bars.

We love to hear people rap, which was beautiful. And, you know, that shit trickled down and like, oh, it's some niggas that know how to rap, though. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely.

I mean, it's dope that you did that with G-Rap because he's somebody that I don't think gets talked about enough when it comes. to rap. I don't either, man, but I think that if you cut from a certain cloth for that multi-syllable rhyme scheme, I think you know what G-Rap mean. Oh, yeah. Like, us as rappers and shit, it's like we know. Yeah, the rappers know.

And that's the thing about it. That's why I call myself the son of G-Rap because I felt like the rappers know how nice I am. Before the rest of them, they knew. You know what I'm saying? They knew how we all know how hard it is to come up with this shit as writers. If it's your sport, you know how to measure it. Yeah, yeah. So that's why, you know, that whole G-Rap shit,

I felt like G was something different. I mean, it's New York City, so it's tough, but I think you could make an argument that G-Rap would be on the Mount Rushmore. This is my thing. Like, if you look at all the kids of G-Rab... Thank you. So when we look at, that's what I mean by Son of G-Rap.

Yeah. Right. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree. You'll see in a documentary, A-Z was like, I thought I was a son of G-Rap. Because... Now I just said the same thing. So, you know,

Hoves had, hearing me rhyme, it's like hearing G rapping is prime. Yeah, right, exactly. You understand? Yeah. The rappers know. So the rappers know. So, like, you know, that's, shout out to G. You know what I mean?

G don't get enough credit. And he don't. You heard of me? Yeah, he don't. Like, you know, I'm a son of G rap. Yeah. So that's why I'm nice. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I get it. No, I get it. You study. You study that. The same niggas that all our favorite rappers, yeah. You've got to realize, like, I, I, I, I studied the same ones that.

all a great study. Right. I went to the root. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And so you got to realize like my respect for legends is up here. I came in this shit with the son of G rap. Right. So you got to realize I came in this shit with a high expectation of rapping with the best and doing my best. That's what I do. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, lists are lists like they don't really validate anything, but cool Grap at number 30. on the complex top 50 shit was a little like that was one of the more offensive things I felt like yeah I completely agree that's why I don't pay attention to those fits at all because it's fun to argue about but yeah I mean it doesn't really mean crazy yeah like G rap yeah it's not 29 rappers from New York City better than G rap no that's insane bro it's just not but we know why they do these lists it gets people talking the engagement you know and so we understand they have to make it controversial but then but like you know

guys that really know rap and listen to rap they look at that and laugh like come on cut it out it's not 29 guys from New York that rap better than Grap not that's just probably a lack of information of the people that put it together like they have pop smoke at 27 I'm not here to shit on pop smoke whatsoever because I think he was going to be the next generation and sound from New York

but that's why he deserves to be on this list because there is influence there but having cool G rap two slots behind him when you had 20 years of his influence is crazy yeah like It's just out of order. Because if we're going off influence and what they did for the city as far as sound, no, Kooji Rap should not be a fucking 30.

No. Reasonable doubt doesn't sound the way it does without Kooji Rap. There's so many rappers we don't get without Kooji Rat. Thank you. You know what I mean? So that alone, you have to have a certain order. It's a pecking order that we have to always maintain. But again, we get why they do these things.

Rayquan Ghost, they've all said Cuban links that mafios or shit. That's G. They got it from GRA. All of that is GRA, bro. So I can understand that people that put this list together may not be aware of that, so they put them there. But it's just like, this is why the list can't really validate shit at all. Who inspired outside of G-Rap?

Who inspired you to your rap, your rhymes, and who inspired you on the production side? You know, believe it or not, man, I pulled from different rappers for certain things and shit. So I went through certain different. phases at different ages. So when I first started getting the understanding of music, I probably was around like 12, 13 when I got introduced to proper lyrics. It was around the time like it was written. Okay.

So now it started off as like my favorite rapper. By the time I started getting into the streets and having to support myself, I started, JZ started to become my favorite rapper. Okay. Now, I used to go back and forth with Jay-Z and DMX because DMX was so passionate and I felt the energy. I love the energy. But I love the energy and the authenticity that X gave me.

And I love the motivation that Jay gave me. So like, you know, and then you got a lot of motherfuckers that, like, the puns. Yeah. You know what I mean? The lyrical monsters, the G-Rabs. you know what I'm saying I take pages from all of their books yeah you know

but then you got motherfuckers like Tupac who knew how to capture emotion it wasn't really all based about lyrics it's about how it made you feel yeah and you know he was my favorite for that so each one of these guys

then I you know this then I have to throw young Gizi in there Thug motivation one-on-one yeah I was outside as a young guy and it had an impact on my life, that's when music started changing to me and started not just being about lyrics. It started being about how did it make me feel?

What's the energy to this? How do I identify with this? You heard? It didn't make me start looking at rappers different. Like, I really don't identify with that. Yeah, he could rap, but it don't help me throughout my day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It don't live with me.

It don't live with me. So, you know, like, that was, so I have to credit Gizi for that when he brought that energy. or the trap or die and the thug motivation because it spoke to me and the lifestyle. There's a lot of guys. You understand?

So I can't discredit that. So I pull, so all of these guys have influenced me in their own ways, know what I'm saying? Yeah. Facts. And on the production side,

you know, man, Primo, Pete Rock, you know what I'm saying? That was like the start for me. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Dre, you know, because the chronic album, I remember being a young boy listening to that. And I remember how that affected everybody around me and shit. And me going back listening to the Sonics of it, it's like, oh, shit. I definitely hear some havoc in your production, too. Havoc is like, havoc.

Havoc. And I, yeah, so, like, Mobb D have got a lot of influence on upstate period. Like, I remember when them shit dropped, like, you know, my older brothers and them going how that affected them. And then by the time I was getting an understanding of everything, because mind you, when you young, certain shit don't catch you. Yeah. That's why I skip past Illmatic and go to It Was Written.

I was nine when Illmatic came out. Let's put that in its proper perspective. Some people are going to say Illmatic, but a nine-year-old when Elmatic came out. It don't attach it. It ain't attaching the way, you know. So a couple years later, they got more of an understanding. I kind of get it now. I kind of get it now.

So that's why when it come to Maw Deep, my favorite album is murder music. Okay. Because I was a certain age when murder music hit. You feel what I'm saying? Even though, you know, the other albums was my older brother's shit. Yeah, that's they shit.

That's they shit. You know what I'm saying? That was that time. But the murder music, so the mob period had... G-Rap too on murder music. That's what... What comes back? You want to know something?

Around that time was my introduction. See, I didn't... grow up listening to G-Rap. Yeah. Let's get this understood. Oh, I probably, the realness was probably my first. Yes. When I heard him, I was in a trap with the older homies and I'm like, yo, who was that?

And they said, that's cool G-Rap. I'm like, who? I'm like, rapping like that? Yeah. They was like, you don't know? Then I went back and then my research and was like, oh, this guy's crazy. Yeah. And that was around the time 1998, I say when Roots of Evil came out.

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that has balls, that love bars. Yeah. I mean, we have to have to be influenced by kids. There's no way he's one of the most one of the slick talkers. I think like, you know, definitely. He's on that. Hell yeah.

Like coming from my cloth, you got to be influenced by that. Yeah. We, we We saw the, you know, you're going viral now. What I got? Shout out the bag of you. Yeah, shout out of the bag of you. So you had a statement that you made about Kiss not working with you or sending you a verse after, was it driver's seat? Sunday school.

Sunday school. So y'all had driver's seat together and you all. And you had Sunday school together. After Sunday school, you said you had, did you reach out to kiss? and it was just no reaching back Was it just? No, we talk all the time Okay

So there's a relationship there Yeah Okay All right Because when I saw the clip I was like Maybe there's not the relationship There that you think is there

Well let me tell you something right I never been the type To come and ask nobody for nothing Same So I get it That's just not my style I get it If I come in and shit

I came in this shit Spinning my paper Actually believing in myself Right You know And through that I gave relationship threw off of work.

So I'm never asked nobody for nothing. After Sunday school, he told me, I owe you one to send it over. Coming from me, I'm going to do that. Yeah, I'm going to send it over. All right, say no more. All right, listen, I come from.

Jaynecans, don't tell me. I have a free mercy. No, listen, like, and I understand, see, I don't know this world. Yeah. This is a different world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's different. I come from a world where

you know, it's not like this. So maybe that meant like, send the record and I get back to you in six or seven years. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't know that. I didn't know this, that could mean that.

Yeah. So, like, you know, that's all that's all that was. You know, like, all right. You're like, I'm going to get you the first. All right, cool. Ah, fuck it. I'm going to put that out. Yeah.

Send another one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, wait. Hold on. Oh, that's 2019.

Probably eight, ten. projects came out through that. You don't think I reached out for that favor each one? And you sent specific records or just saying, hey, I'm working? It's records. Oh, okay. Don't let me send a text thread. Yeah. Are we going to go do that?

Yeah. We ain't going to do that. My nigger. But, you know. No, you know, you're right to feel the way. I can't say, if you say, hey, listen, this thing about it is, right? I never asked nobody for, no. You talk to a self-made person.

Yeah. That never ask nobody for nothing. If you tell me you're going to do something. Yeah. Do it. I'm going to do my part. Yeah. I don't need to be told at.

Right. I'm cool. Either way. Where I'm at. Mm-hmm. We don't got to do that when we come cross past. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. If I'm going to get you the verse, I'm going to get you the verse. And if I can, I can't. Yeah. See, now that makes it, this makes all the difference. Now that you're saying you've sent, you've been sending it and you've reached out since Sunday school, which was 2019. If I said somebody ducking me, you got to give him a chance

to duck you. Yeah. Can't just say that. Yeah. But I think when you said ducking me, I think that's what that mean. We're talking to each other. It's like, bro, come on, bro. I think that's what the internet was like,

the internet took a ass-old- He doesn't want to rap with you because he's scared to rap for you. No, it ain't that. And then him even commented, which I know, I know he was joking when he said he must have taken mushrooms. That's the OG. Yeah, yeah. Come on the God, that's the logic.

100%. But I'm on the court. Yeah. And I put up eight. points last game. Yeah, yeah. If we're playing or we not. Yeah.

Because you said we was playing. Yeah. You did say we need to rearrange the top five, though. Okay. Now, I got, now, all right. Who was your favorite basketball player when you first started? Watching the game. When I first started, like, really watching basketball, Iverson was my favorite player.

Okay. Yeah. Right. Right now, who's your favorite player? Jaylon Brunson. Jaylon Brunson. I love that answer. Okay, at some point of time, right,

ain't you going to have to rearrange your top five? Oh, that's a fact. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Okay, so let me ask you something, right? Hell yeah. And there's a difference between the top five and your favorite player.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Big difference. But, you know, at some point of time, you got new niggas.com. Absolutely. How did Iverson make it in your top five

when there was a nigga like Jordan around? Right. How was that possible? Mm-hmm. That's because he was nice. Yeah. He was in the finals with Shaq and Kobe. No real shit

Because he was nice Yeah It is what it is If we peers And we have in this conversation That's because I'm nice Because I'm qualified to Yeah

And you heard me The main point is You told me To say you something It ain't even about That's what it is That's how we got here This is how we got here

You told me So so So you know It was like That's how that was Yeah You know And just me being honest

Like you know That's all that was Our first encounter It ain't special You killed that record Oh man We got to do another one. Send me something.

Can't talk to me like that because I might just go back and send it to you. Yeah, yeah. I just might do what you said. I just might do that and expect you to send it back. Yeah. Mind you, you got to realize you're not the only rapper that we are rap. Yeah.

Right? We are nice. Yeah. I'm sending records to everybody that's nice. We got, I'm around a lot of nice nicks. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I understand it take time and get a verse back. Mm-hmm.

but it's been seven years what the fuck so I got the right to say you duck at me I don't care what the internet say y'all could be it's a sport I'm outside yeah I'm outside so like you know I'm sorry man I know we all love kiss I love I love you know all the legends and shit but I'm here to tell you you know my name's spash for those of y'all that don't know I put a lot of work in and shit

I got the right to speak the way that I don't and I'm going to show and prove y'all keep paying attention and you know if y'all feel some kind of way beg any of your favorite rappers to come sit next to me and throw a beat on and I show them prove

any of your favorite rappers come sit next to me throw a beat on and we'll see what happens you know and that's how I feel like honestly in my heart because my shit comes from a different place yeah now on the Sunday school junk

because you said you felt like you had the better versions How you feel? And I listen to Sunday school on the way in and I get why you feel that way because your verse was crazy on Sunday school. Now, as a kiss fan, that's not one of my favorite kiss verses, but I do feel like you probably had the best.

Can I tell you how this song happened? Now, we could give, so maybe people would think like, okay, maybe you heard kiss and said, yeah, I'm about to kill this shit. Oh, like you heard this verse first, and then you laid yours. You know that ain't how it happened.

Okay. Let me explain y'all tell you something to y'all. I was in a studio recording an album, and I laid 10 songs that day. I was on some kind of high. I just was on a recording high. And my man, Benny was working on his album, finishing up his album, and he sent me a joint. I just finished recording 10 songs. Benny sent me a beat.

I'm like, damn, I got to kill this because Benny's about to drop this album, and it's about to be a big album. When he sent it, I didn't like the beat. How about that? I'm like, I don't like this beat. Really? Yeah. I don't like the beat.

It's not my kind of beat. I'd have to hear it without your verses on it. Listen, I heard it. I'm like, do-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d- Because I love it. Listen, all right. I didn't. Okay. So I'm like, and then he rap for three minutes.

Yeah, Benny's first verse. I said, damn, he wrapped for three minutes. I only got 16 bars. Yeah. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, why he sent me this record? He wrapped for three minutes. Yeah.

I'm supposed to do with 16. I got to kill this shit. I only got 16 bars. Right. Mm-hmm. So everything has to be intentional. I don't got no time to wage. Brow rat for three minutes.

I got 16 bars. Yeah. Literally when my verse come in, it's at the three-minute mark. Right. I'm like, fuck it, let me go.

I sent her craft in my bar. Shout out to my homie street jobs. I just laid 10 records this night, though. Okay. Bullet for every heathen. That album was laid. That same night Sunday school verse was late. Okay.

So try this. Shout out the big ghost. He sent me 10 beats. say, yo, bro, we can make some money. You do this. I'm like, word. I'm lay these the night. Nigger, I went in the zone.

There's money at the end of this session. Right. I'm laying 10 records. After the 10 records done, Sunday school comes in. Fuck, I got to lay this. Damn. It's 4 o'clock in the morning, nigga. Spitting bars.

I get to halfway at a verse. I tell my man like, bro, I wrote this shit. I think I could go harder. My man said, let me hear it. I was just at the part where I got a lamb in a stick like a fresh out the Bible. I didn't have it finished. Hold on. I spit that to my man. I spit that to my man. And he said, what? You about to throw, nigga, keep going. Shout out the street just because I was about to throw that

verse away. I would have went harder. I said, no, this ain't hard enough. Right. Because I got 16 bars. My man said, no, nigga, keep that. That's crazy. Keep going. Went back in the corner. Finish the verse. Lade it. Send it to Ben. Ben said, yo, you smoked that. I sent that to kiss, too. I sent that to kiss, too. I said kiss gonna be on that record Yes I said I said what And you wanted to go harder

I said I said Kiss can be on there So I said Man this is pray I said Now kiss ain't know What he was getting into either Yeah

My verse already laid I found out kiss verse is coming Yeah So I'm like damn I wonder what kiss gonna say You know what It don't matter If they go get Jesus Christ

On there Nobody's gonna be able top that verse Right lay him in the stick Yeah I said yo real shit I'm like nigga I'm going retort it.

I can't wait to hear it. Then I heard it when the song, I got the song back before it came out. Yeah. I said, I don't think this coming out. Nah. Mike dropped. I said, I don't think this shit gonna come out because, nah.

Why? Why you don't think that was coming out, especially? Why? You don't think kids went hard enough? I'm not saying I don't think he went hard enough. I think he did his thing. I think that.

I just was in a bag. Okay. That was so noticeable. Yeah. That it was going to be like, who the fuck is this? Okay. You know what I mean? If everybody had a chance to rewrite their verses, they would.

If we were in the studio together, everybody would. See, it's a difference. See, y'all not rappers. Right. Y'all don't know what it's like to go and sit down with a monster. Yeah. And be on the spot right then and there. See, this is how I judge talent, right?

Let's do this like this. See, from the outside looking in, we could all be like, oh, he's nice. He's nice. how long it took you to come up with that, my brother? Put the beat on right now. Let's go in the corner for an hour and let's see who delivers. That's a different type of thing.

Whoa. See, with me and Benny Cook, it ain't that. We put the beat on and go in a corner and come back. Right. Right. You heard? We're in the same room. You heard?

Like, this is monster shit. See, if I give you a song and you got two weeks to work on it, you better have a great verse. You better have a ball. That's why studio sessions are part. We're going to measure this talent for who delivered right here on the spot, though. Yeah. This is how I know who nice.

That's different. So we could do all of this. If you can't come right now and you throw the beat on and we both go in our corner and come back and see what is going on. This is how we see who nice. See, the fans don't know how this shit got, how we get there. You don't know it might took this nigga three years to write that verse. Get out of here. I know a real shit.

A fan don't know that. Yeah. See, the rappers, we know. I'm in the studio with the monsters. We know who, who. Yeah. They know. Put the beat on.

Give us a certain amount of time and let's see who come back with that shit. Yeah. Not let's take it home and come back tomorrow. No, no, no, no. Nah. Nah. Kiss is one of the few rappers ever that I don't think has a whack verse ever.

But I hear you, it's definitely not. I never said kiss had a whack verse. No, no, no. And that's what the internet got it. Oh, I'm not saying that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they got to stop with that. I never took that.

I'm not saying that. I didn't catch that. That nigga influenced every ball spitter. Yeah, that's a fair. If I did get that in my email, I probably would be like, yeah, Kiss may redo this or it's not coming out. I would have had the same thought you would have had. Because I do think in the same circumstance that people are not emailing shit and Kisses in the studio and Benny goes in the booth and does that. And then you go in the booths.

Kiss is not delivering the verse that he delivered on that third verse. He's rewriting everything. And it's my favorite Benny verse on that album. But when I saw it live, it put your verse in a different perspective of hearing the entire fucking crowd rap, that entire shit. You see that shit. That shit was crazy. It's electrifying. It shakes the building.

Yeah. And it's just bars. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's just bars and shit, you know, but. I think that, but when I knew, when I knew you was just, like, I started to really pay attention to you was 38 missiles, though. Mm. with you and Benny. That's when I really started to like,

that's when your name to me was like 30, like, who is this nigga? Right. That verse on 38 missiles. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the, that's when I started really paying attention. And this is in the Sunday school argument

because there's a lot of people going back, new fans going back to listen to it, I just want to end this argument. This is how we end the argument right here. It's not my song, right? It's not on my album, right? Right. What's the name of the song?

Sunday school. Where did that come from? Church. No. Who says Sunday school in their verse? You did. Yeah. The song was named after my verse.

Yeah. I get it. No, listen. Now that you're saying everything you're saying, I get it. I totally understand. What's the name of the song? Yeah, Sunday school. You're right.

It's not my song. It's not on my album. Right. Who says Sunday school in a verse? That's the fact. I think that ends the argument. the song is named after my verse. I have no rebuttal.

I got nothing. That's a fact. It's not, okay. Middle of the song here? It's not my song. I'm in the middle of the song. I don't start it. I don't end it.

It's not on my album. Ben, he rapped about his real life on that first verse. And he's going crazy. He went nuts. He's going retarded. Yeah. But it's still named after my verse.

I respect it. Yeah, yeah. So that end all the arguments. right there. It would have been named something else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You heard. A thousand things to pick for it. That's the fact. They don't really want to go there. Yeah. You heard.

Yo, Kis got to send that verse, man. Yeah, man, Kis gone to send that. He got to I ain't going to lie. We spoke. He said, man, send a verse stopped doing these interviews. This is the last interview. That's the last interview. Kiss the front of the show. That's my nigga. That's my name. That's my guy.

So, um, a 12 shots. Mental Health. You have a bar. I can't tell my bitch when I'm sad because when she gets mad She repeat that shit Ain't that shit relatable though Hell yeah

That shit made my chest cave in Ain't that's perfect for the mental health song Because that stopped you from being able to really express yourself Yeah, I don't want to be vulnerable Facts Yeah Like that you know

That shit is something that's really being dealt with You know what? Every man has dealt with that And that's a big part of why men Aren't vulnerable in their relationships just why they don't communicate, you know, the emotions and feelings and thoughts. Because I feel like one day you might weaponize me being vulnerable against me in a heated moment of us, you know, arguing or whatever we're doing. So, yeah, I'm not going to give you that to put in your clip for later on.

Like, I'm not doing that. Yeah. The worst is after that, then they ask you, why are you so quiet? Why are you not opening up? You told me I'm going to end up just like my dad. I should have never told you about that. That was between us. We was mad.

You said you're going to end up just like your opinion. You knew that was going to hurt me. That was a secret between us. Why would you say that? Yeah, yeah. Absolutely, yeah. But no, I think, you know, mental health has gotten like a trendier or whatever, but I felt like y'all actually nailed it on the head of people that do deal with that shit.

And even Shane of our's verse of, like, talking about I didn't even know mental health was a fucking thing. Right. Right. Like, half we're through it. I didn't even know that. I didn't even know you were allowed to feel that way. Shout out to Shane on.

Yeah. Word up. That verse was crazy. But I feel like that's not really a record that that has been duplicated in your catalog at all. You've definitely went across certain subjects that are repeated. But I've never heard you on that type of time before. Definitely.

Now, that was the first time me touching on that. You know what I'm saying? What made you want to do it? Whatever the beat tell me to do. You know what I'm saying? The beat would be like, you know, say this. It's some spiritual shit. The beat talks to me.

I go on the corner, man, and I just zone out. And what comes comes. I don't know. I don't leave the studio. I don't go to the studio knowing what I'm going to leave with. It's just magic and shit. But the music is the foundation. And that shit pulls out certain emotion.

And you actually find out what you're talking about, mid-verse. Yeah. Like, oh shit. This is about mental health. Yeah. It's not really premeditated. That's why I'd be like that shit is spiritual because I really have to like cut off everything outside, going to a corner, isolate myself and come up with this shit. Now I mean?

Fact. Cold War is one of my favorites, too. Shout out to bust. Typically when we have guests on here, we try to ask them what's their favorite BusterRhym story because everybody has a favorite BusterRimes story. because everybody has a favorite Buster Rhym story that always ends up being the funny shit in the world. Bus is one of the craziest people I've ever met. Love him to death, but everyone has a bus story.

Yeah, bust that nigga, man. Like, you know, I ain't got no crazy bus stories yet and shit, man. But I could tell you one thing when he sent that verse back. My niggas was in the studio like, Bus might have got you, right? I was like, what the fuck? I'm like, damn, man. But it's different when the legend gets you, though.

It's beautiful. Yeah, it's like, no, it's beautiful. It's like, oh, he ain't come to play. Right. You know, I'm like, okay, that's fire. Yeah, shout out the bus, man. Yeah, he went nuts. I was telling you off my great wall is probably my favorite record on A-Shoss.

Curtis Coke, I was not familiar. He's nice. Shout out to Curtis Coke, man. It's been a while that I've listened to a tape and went, who the fuck is that rapping? Curtis Coke went nuts on that verse. Curtis Coke smoked that shit. y'all beware of Curtis Cope.

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You know, or taste so good can be about food. You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done. You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Is that something that you are intentional with, like finding, like, talent from the hometown and giving them a platform? Yeah, well, you know, definitely, man. You know what I'm saying? I just like talent.

It don't really matter where you're from. Okay. You know, I know how it is to be nice and not be discovered for a long time. So I know that shit. So when I come across, motherfuckers that I feel as though is nice and shit, you know, that it makes me want to work with them. I don't really care about the political shit. What position you is if you're nice, you're nice. That's how I keep my pen sharp, too.

I look for the nicest. That's who I want to work with. You know? Facts. How'd the Method Man feature come together? I mean, I know y'all have known each other a little bit.

Yeah, this is the second time and shit that we did a record and shit. Meth got back on his hook his hook game again too. That's a fact, bro. That's a fact. I was like, man, that's what I'm like, yo, I'm like, man, I want a Method man hook

because, you know, meth kill hooks. Like, he that nigger. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, man, I need a method man hook. You know what I'm saying? Like, and he sent that shit right back, man. And shout out the MF, man. He's another one like that just tapped in because he respected the art.

He respected, you know, what I was doing and shit. No political shit, no nothing. And every time I hit him, he come through. Yeah. Word on. Now, the complex list, going back to that, there weren't any upstate guys. That was like, you know, like looking back because we spoke about it, The fact that guys like, you know, Benny and Conway and Gunn and Spesh or Rock Marcy,

um, is Rock Marcy on this list? Nope. But there's a bunch of people from Long Island on that. Rock Marcy should be on this list. Like, I just don't. And I get it. Like, we don't really care about the list. But it is just.

You see, that's the political list. Like, that shit is like super political and shit. That really ain't got nothing to do with the concrete. And, you know, like, you know what I'm saying? So I don't pay attention to none of that shit. At the end of the day, I respect everybody on the list. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. But damn. Yeah, it got to be like, we got to start like just doing more to highlight certain individuals from certain and not just the five boroughs. I mean, where I felt it was wrong, which I was telling you, Maul, if they would have kept everybody that was from Long Island off it and everyone that was from Westchester off it, I could understand why Upstate is. there. Okay. If you literally kept it within the five boroughs, I get it. But you got like six people from Long Island, two people from Westchester. Like, it's not just five boroughs, so why stop there? Right. Like, you should have all of upstate. Yeah, that, that, I don't know. Chuck D's not from the five boroughs. No. Hmm. I, shit. Bizz isn't. All the de la Sol is on, they're not from,

styles P is not for the five boroughs. Mm-hmm. So that's where I was like, all right, that's weird that they did it outside of five girls and then didn't even have any of state people. I'm so used to them not including us. You don't even look for it. I don't even look for it. It would be so surprising for them to mention what the hell is going on. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It is what it is. That's the beauty about like, so I love this independent shit. You know, I love the freedom to not have to be. play the politics. Right. Yeah. Do what you want to do.

You just do what you want to do, man. Work with who you want to work with. That's, you feel what I'm saying, bro? Yeah. Outside of getting the Kiss verse, is there any other guys that you're looking forward to getting in the studio with? Shit, man. Only motherfuckers, it had to be out of them lists of motherfuckers that I have first name that

had inspired me, like, that's left on my list. It would probably be Jay and Nause would be like the only motherfuckers I would look forward to, you know, high-level spitters and shit. Jay Nod's M. M. Muffeas I grew up with that high level of respect for, you know what I'm saying? Has Green ever played your stuff for M? No. Okay. Nah. That's a good question. I mean, why you never play my shit at him?

Huh? I mean, in Green's defense, when they're on tour, I'm sure Eminem is like in his layer somewhere. Now, you want to know some real shit, though. In Green Defense, when Green was around him, I still was in development moment. Yeah. I was like a 19-year-old kid. Makes sense. So, like, you know, that wasn't, he wasn't, that situation was kind of short-lived.

You know, the Green and M&M situation. It wasn't, like, too long of a, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, yeah, nah. The radio on freestyles was way more valuable than M hearing some shit. Right. No, I get that. I get that. Any producers you want to collab with not only just to rap over, but make beats with?

I always been a fan of Alchemist as well. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Definitely. You know. He replaced green, I think. You're familiar with this situation, huh? I'm not even an Eminem fan.

I just remember when it happened. I mean, yeah, looking at the optics, I think that's exactly what happened, right? No, I think that's literally exactly what happened. Damn. Yeah. Damn. We love Al and Green. Oh, for sure, 100%.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to both of them. Yeah. But, yeah, I always, you know, I would like some shit from Al. You know what I mean? Me and Pete, I've been reaching out of Pete. I'm got some shit coming from him. Cream.

I got some shit in the tuck from Prine, you know. Like, you know, the usual suspects. Yeah. Hell yeah. You're keeping in that same DNA. Yeah. Yeah. It's a sound that you definitely, you know, developed for yourself.

And obviously, you produce a lot of your own shit. So it's a 38-spec sound that I think, obviously, you know, you're not going to ever stray too far away from that. Nah. And shout out to Havoc, too. I got some Havoc shit, too. Okay. Okay. Oh, so you work in there?

Always, man. That's all I do, man. I don't got a life outside of this shit. Yeah. Outside of the studio. Have you built your own studio yet? You got your own shit? Top-knock shit.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, you know, that's this, you know, I'm heavy on like, I'm like a geek with that shit. You know what I'm saying? So I'm heavy on outboard gear. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And engineering and shit. Shout out to my homie Rome. My homie Rome from my town. He taught me a lot about engineering, mixing, and mastering. And just, you know, running outboard gear. shit. So I've been doing a lot of that, you know, got me some, some consoles, you know. That's dope. And things of that nature. You know, upgrading the sound.

Especially, I, see, I figured that I was special now after having this conversation. He just don't want to have to ask nobody for shit. You got that right, right, right. I'm going to do this shit. I'm going to produce this shit. I'm going to record this shit. I'm a mix this shit. All that shit. Yeah, I get it. No, for real, man. I get it. I get, now it. Now it all makes sense to me. I totally get it now. Yeah. A piece that we actually had a voicemail that we

get to. So on the show we have our listeners sometimes leave voicemails, ask questions, bring up topics and stuff. So we're going to play one with you here. What's up? Rory Mall, baby D. This is JJ from the Bronx. Question. Can you guys name songs where

the best verse came from the worst rapper on the song? Like for two examples, a band from TV. To me, nature had the best verse, but no disrespect to him, but he was clearly the worst rapper on the song. And same for two chains on mercy.

So I just want to see if I got any opinions on that and if you can name any songs that come to your mind. Appreciate y'all. I like the question, but his examples are fucking nuts. No, but I get what he's saying. He's saying on the song if you look at the artist. Nature was the least

popular one on band from TV. Well, I think that's what he meant. Like, he's the worst rap on the song. Like, not worse as far as skill set, but it's like, if you, Who was on that song on that song? Nori. And I love Norrie to death. I consider Noria.

I just got off the phone with Norie. And yeah, I will answer to my sins in Miami. But if we're talking like rapping, I think y'all have nature far the fucked up. Nori makes way better records than nature. Nature had very strong standout verses in a lot of songs. Yeah, he did. Like not just. that.

Yeah. On the firm album. I could go through a lot of songs. Yeah. From I'm leaving to The Furious Four or Furious Five with him, his styles on the clue tape, to the band from TV to Nature got joints. You know what I mean? Oh, hold on.

What's my shit? For all the seasons album, Nature put out. Love is Love off A-Z album. Like, Nature got standout dope verses, know what I'm saying? Yeah, Norrie's my guy, but when you said Norris, I forgot, I was like, I don't know, I'm going to just have Norris a better rap. I mean, big pun, okay, cool. N ORE, we agree with it. Come, I'm fine there.

But N ORE, I don't have an impact where I was at, bro. No, Noree, I was something serious, man. Oh, no, I'm talking about just rapping. Yeah, just rap, but we got to include that, though. Because, you know, that impact from, Norie was one of the first ones that I could say what he want. And it was like, nigger, we like that shit. Yeah. But, I mean, I do.

I guess I understand this point. You got Kiss, styles, Cam, big pun, Nori on band from TV. Yeah, nature was the least known. Yeah. And shit,

who's on, Mercy is what? Kanye, Sean, chains, and push. I guess I see that point, but I've always felt, especially when Mercy came out,

I don't think y'all knew who the fuck Titty Boy was. And I was at Def Jam at that time. Yeah, so I knew that group well. that group well because they were signed there. Like,

two chains was never a slouch. Like, like, Chains could rap. Maybe he needs to change the word. Maybe it's not worse rapper. Maybe it's like, most unexpected, maybe.

Maybe it's not the most popular rapper on the song. Like the most favorite rapper. I mean, chains did still mercy. No, 100%. 100%.

Um, maybe, maybe Nikki on Monster? I mean, at that time, yeah, she would, be technically. You get what I'm saying? Like maybe

Nikki on Monster? I mean, I think now in 2026 there's four people on that song, there's three legends and she's one of them. Yeah. So, I mean, maybe it would be Ross that would be who we'd be talking about. And you especially have

anybody you would like to add to that conversation. There's only one non-legion on that record now. Yeah. I don't know, man. I think EZE had the best verse on for the love. of money, man. That was my shit. Standing on the corner straight, straying, and rocks. That was my shit. That was my shit.

You know what I'm saying? I think Easy had the best standout verse. We used to sing that shit word for word, man. Yeah. Damn, now you went back with that one. Yeah. Shit. R. IP, Easy. This is gonna be way left field. Praise on ghetto superstar. With ODV and Maya.

I didn't expect Praves to come the way he came. I gotta listen. I gotta listen to prize verse again. Yeah. I don't know. I mean,

and shit, even ODB, who is a goat in his own right, the most original fucking rapper ever, he was not the best rapper. And he used to get a lot of Wu-Tang lyricists on songs where he would,

that wasn't his thing. And like, how you got a better verse than Jizz on this shit? I feel like it's, like ODB might be the king of that of how, how are you the least lyrical person on this song and by far the standout yeah

yeah ODB's probably the king of that shoot juicy j on who katie perry's what he's bringing shit up now at this point um j cole stars born you think he had a better version of hope i mean they did a completely different subject jay tells a fucking whole story of hip-hop but but i mean Cole's verse was fucking that was the introduction i mean we had all no new Cole was from his mixtapes. Yeah. But this was when the masses found out who the fuck Cole was. Yeah, he definitely got off on that, though.

I don't know if he had a better version than Jay, though. Coe did that with a... Coded that with no disrespect to two people I love. To Royce and Benny, I felt like. Cole did that to them. And I would typically think Royce would have the better verse than Cole. Mm-hmm. And I think Cole knew who he was rapping with.

Yeah. But Royce, I mean, I know Royce just wanted to make a good song. It was like, thank God that coal came and smoked. Did what he did, yeah. Damn, see, that question, I got to, you got to give me that question a day. Yeah, that's one that we might like have to revisit. Yeah, on the spot. Yeah, on the spot, that's tough.

Mm-hmm. But that for the love of money, that easy E won that definitely, like, easy E got off on that. Whether or not he wrote it. Right. It's a whole different thing, but he got off. Bleak on coming of age? Did Bleak write it, though? Who cares?

Well, I mean, yeah, we don't care. He was 16. Yeah. No, he got off on that. Who? Remy Ma on Lean Back. She got off on that. Rem got off on that.

Yeah, I wish I would have gave me a day to, like, go through that. We'll revisit it. This week we can. Especially eight shots, what can we expect from you for the rest of the year, man? Dropping another solo and a few produced albums and shit. I'm going to be announcing soon and shit. But expect another solo from me before the year out. you know, full album, 10, 12 joints,

you know what I'm saying? A lot of good producers, a lot of good features on there. Think about around September. Okay. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, back some good freestyles, man.

Okay. You know what I mean? And hopefully we can expect that kiss verse before the year. Before the year out. Yeah, I mean, come on, kiss. Don't let,

don't make our guy wait another seven years for a verse, man. And it got to be crazy now. Oh, it got to be crazy. It got to be. his kiss so more more like it. You know he's going to do it. Yeah, he's going to do his thing.

But we're looking forward to that. Spech, we appreciate you for coming through, man. It's a pleasure to finally have you in the studio with us. Whenever you want to come back, talk, some shit, kicking with us. Whenever you in the city, doors always open for you, bro. We appreciate you. Appreciate y'all having me, bro. That's 38, special.

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