New Rory & MAL - Episode 503 | I Know It Was You, Fredo + BINK

Episode Date: June 5, 2026

Happy Friday! The guys and Baby D recap the Knicks’ Game 1 win in San Antonio, before going over their weekend plans. Latto addresses Cardi B in a Breakfast Club interview, confirming that she was talking about Cardi on her new album, which Baby D shares her opinions on. Mal went viral this week for his stance on the Drake vs. Jay Z (potential) back and forth, and Dame Dash sat down for an interview to discuss Hov’s bars about him at Roots Picnic. Adam22 and Lena the Plug file for divorce, and Conway the Machine addresses the Griselda tension on his freestyle over Drake’s “Make Them Pay”. Legendary producer, Bink, stops by to speak on the current state of hip hop, and the lack of innovation that he sees in it. He also breaks down the creation of tons of classic songs, albums, and more! All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-foreverSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm in a great move. Next one? Nope, got my balls licked last night. And we're off. No, I'm joking. That'll put you in a good mood, though. No, man, you know. Like, if you're failing down on your luck,

you get your balls with you. It's nice day out, New York City. Sunny. It is. It's hot. I mean, Nick's one. City, you know, feels like everybody's together. Everybody kind of give each other that silent head nod today.

Yeah. And if you're listening to this on Friday, we're preparing to win game too as well. And if you listen on Saturday, we're up to O. Yeah. There you go. Like shit. Speak to the future, Rory.

Listen, man, that was one of the most stressful nights in my life. Yeah. I watched with two of my childhood friends because we've all been tortured Knicks fans our entire lives. I ordered a bunch of food. I forgot that they're addicted to prescription pills. So nobody ate except for me. Ought a bunch of food for no reason. No one eats on pharmaceuticals.

So that was dumb. But the three of us stood in front of my 80-inch TV, the entire game. Like this far away from the TV. Yeah. It's all your hips. Mm-hmm. 100%. Pacing.

It was a stressful night. I can't believe we pulled that shit off. Great game. Great game. Great game Where did you watch the game? I watched the game with my uncle Earl, Earl of Pearl Monroe, man. I went to go see him.

Yo. No mall forever. Never knew he was, you know, his uncle was Earl the Pearl. Yeah, smoke, man. I ain't seen him a minute, man. So I've been telling him, I've been, you know, telling him my aunt I was going to come by and see him for a while. We got to do your 23 of me.

I never do. So I went and watched the game. It's always fun watching the game with like somebody that played, but then somebody that played and was like a legend. I was supposed to say. and just like play basketball. Yeah, and then somebody that played and the last time the Knicks won.

It was him. He was a big part of it. Yeah. So it was interesting to watch him, you know, just kind of dissect the game and look at how the game is played now and him being frustrated. He's like, I mean, just threes. That's it.

That's all they want to see. Like he can't understand why Wimby just want to come down and shoot threes. Like, he's like, if he just stands right there, you know what I mean? But it was good to sit down and catch up and watch the game with him. man, he was happy the Knicks one, and he's hoping the Knicks pull us out so they could take the smoke off of the 73 team back. Like, listen, man, let these new guys get one. And they would have to bring that team back to, like, raise the banner.

Yeah, for sure. I don't believe everything should be content, especially with family. But I would pay for you and Earl the Pearl just put on live mics and watch game too. Yeah. And just put a camera in front of you. Yeah, man. We was talking. We had a good time, man.

It was fun watching him, you know, just dissect the new game of basketball. I mean, I'm sure his basketball IQ is still very sharp. I mean, yeah, one of the best, man. So shout out on girl. I might go back game two and watch the game with him too. So set up your phone and you can take our lap mics. Yeah, man. Take Ryan with you.

Ryan? Ryan? Ryan, you know who are in Perlis? You don't know. Lying like shit. I googled him last night. I read his memoir last night. The disrespect.

Nah, man, he's 23 years old. No, yeah. would be very surprised if Ryan knew who Earl Monroe was, but yeah. Well, no, that's good to know that he's cheering for us. Oh, absolutely. Demaris, where were you at to watch the game? So I tried to go to Lavender Room, but it was packed. And then when I was leaving Lavender Room, I went to go somewhere else.

I was by myself, too. And my Uber got in a car accident pulling out of the parking spot, and I flew from the backseat to the front seat. So then I just went to fuck home and paid for ESPN. I said it's meant for me to be home. Yeah. Yeah, I got invited to Slate. Remember Slate?

I think somebody was like Invite the Slate. Some official Nick's TV shit I was like bro I do not want to stand around a bunch of casual fans and have to listen to fucking like Fat Joe records during commercials like I just I literally know Leanback and I love Leanback

and I love Fat Joe's music I mean that it's a slight but I just hate when I'm trying to really watch a game being in those environments like I know I ain't gonna lie Central Park look lit The soundstage? Yeah Oh I didn't know they had anything That shit looked crazy They came when they showed

the shot of it, you know, once the news came on after the game, I was like, I had no idea they was watching, but that makes sense. Well, people watching the Garden too, right? Yeah, they had, like, a huge watch party in the garden. And they had people outside the watch party in the, like, outside. I'm like, hey, these niggas aren't here. Like, they're in San Antonio. Like, why are y'all? It's all right. It's all right, though. The city is here. New Yorkers just like being with New Yorkers. No, only when the Knicks are playing. Yeah, it's true. So, yeah, it's only there. They don't do this for the Jets. Yeah, other than that, we don't, we don't do this for the Jets.

Doing this for the Jets would be hilarious. We don't do this for the Jets. Only the Nix. Do we think Mondami's going to be Corside for game three? Probably. I hope not. Nah, he's a man of the people. He's going to give his ticket away to like an amputee from the Bronx or something.

I hope he's... He's not Rudy Giuliani. He's not. Definitely not. Yeah. He can't put a Yankee head on and stand next to rubble. Don't let Mom Don't know where near the garden, man. He was in the garden last night watching the game.

Was he? Yeah. Oh. Listen, man. Whatever. We never went to the finals with Rudy. Me? You hate whatever people like.

No, I don't. That is true. Because people like dumb shit. You know people like dumb shit. I like free buses. Are they free? Well, they are free. You can just get on the bus.

The bus job is not going to tell you to pay. Like, they've been free before Mom Darnie came to town. Yeah. Well, either way, we are back sponsored by Boost. Unlimited talk. If you are listening to this on audio, we are also on Netflix, international Netflix. me international mall. I'm just going to, I'm going to call you.

I'm going to call you mall. Never mind. Y'all hate him, but it's all good. Merch is on sale. Patreon.com forward slash new Rory mall. Go get that. I don't really have any plans this weekend,

but watching game two. So I have nothing on that, that end, unless you guys have some interesting plans. I'm outside. You outside? You got your drink in your hand, drinking your two-step. It's burgers and bottles weekend.

It's burgers and bottles. Wait, in New York? It's burgers and bottles in New York City? Why didn't you remind us? I thought, weren't we all going as a family? Yo, I need a section for the mob, yo. For the mob? Yeah, no, no, me plus 27 for sure.

Tell burgers and bottles, I need a section for the mob. We're mobbing. Tickets is sold out, baby. Tickets is sold out. And it's raining. And it's raining. I don't know. I don't know if you know what I'm saying.

Where's it? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's in Long Island City. The amount outside? Mm-hmm. Damn, it's raining this weekend, too? Mawall, you know I'm a pretty humble person. the amount of free fucking promo

we have given burgers and buy. They better put a red carpet out there for me. Shut. You have a- They better let me host. You have a ticket as my plus one if you really want to come. I don't know about a red carpet,

but you have a ticket at my plus one. Who at the door? Who at the door? Who at the door funny as fuck? I need to know who at there. New York City Police Department is at the door. It's me plus group. Group.

Yeah, I'm at the number. It's just a group. Tell them when they're here is, the mob is outside. Yeah. Just be like, yo, let them in. Take a head count. as we walking in.

Yes, me and whoever, the, you know, homie with the Yankee out, he's the last one. You know, I'm just like, he's the last one. Raise your hand. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, me and the mall. We're pulling out. L.C.? Yeah, Long Island City. But, yeah, I have an... Make sure they got my parking spot ready. Yeah. My 23-year-old,

little brother is coming in the town, New York City for the first time, so I'm taking him to see the city. I'm going to take him to BBQ's in... He's 23 and he's from the South and he's never been to the city. And if you don't take that nigga to fucking...

He's from the South and you take him to barbecue. Get him a chop cheese and call the day. Not for food. I'm taking him for like the drink and like the Seatime Square. He's a little brother my number, man. Let me show him Manhattan. Now, he's part of the mob now. Yeah, let me show him.

He's M.O.B. He don't even know. And then we're going to go to the lower east side and we're going to bar hop. I'm going to take him to like last lap and stuff. Last lap is. No, it's not. Stop saying that. It is.

It's not. It's open. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's another reopened it. Yeah. So I'm, I'm just take him around. Give a little bro my number, man

I'll get them right, don't worry about it. You don't get me right when I call you. Because you, yo, little bro, she's about to have you in BBQs, eating sticky wings and shit. You don't want to do that. Steroid infested. That big ass cornbread. That big ass cornbread pound cake,

they're going to give you like, that you got to chew for a whole weekend. Still ass fries. Double fried fries. Get out of here, man. I feel like as somebody who has never been to New York City, even if it's bad, you got to experience it. Because what I'm going to take him to Times Square

and have them take a picture with Spider-Man. Like, no, like, I'm going to get you a henic calada. Like we're gonna, you're gonna experience New York. You wanna get him a real henny collada? Take him to City Island, man. Yeah. Who the fuck is going all the way to City Island? A lot of people every Saturday in Sunday.

I have shit to do. I'm not going all over to City. Go to City island, get a good henny collada. Take him to Seafood City. He might get into a little scrap up here. Maybe it's stabbed. But that's the experience. They bolted the chairs down to the floor now, so it's not, you can't.

Oh, you can't pick the chairs up? Yeah, yeah. They even say it's a safety hazard. I've never been to City Island myself. I actually need to go. You never been to City Island? I got to take you to City Alland me You got to take me a lot of fucking place

We ain't been I love seafood, yes Oh come on I gotta take you to city island Get you some clams, oysters You like violence When we go on Some fry lofty tails

I'm very violent I'm aries When we're going Well this weekend is raining I don't know if you want to be outside Mm-hmm And then the next weekend is what Next week is gonna be nice

It's gonna be decent next week And then a weekend after like The weekend after that It's June team No we can go Damn I can't go Juneeteth I'm slammed I am too

June team What do you have going on? please enlighten us with your slim to I'm going to the African American Museum in D.C. Okay. Really?

Yeah. Okay. That's it? You're just going to D.C. just for that? No, Rose Bar is still open? I hope so.

It might be. I don't think Rose Bar is still open to D.C. I think they closed. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I think they closed in D.C. I'm always telling me he's going to take me somewhere. Don't ever take me. No, I'm taking you to City Island.

It's like a nigga. You've never been. I've got to take you to City Island. I got to give you a city island. Can Mission Major come? Oh, my God. They'll probably be there already. They can definitely come, but it's like we got to get out of there before sundown with them too.

Why? Because it's just, it's just, you know, I'm saying? Major might say something to somebody, and now we're just out there just thumping. You know what I'm saying? At least one of us got it on us. Yeah, but we don't, I just want to go get you some fried lobster tails and go home. All right. I don't want to have it on me.

I hear you. But yes, either of you guys want to come to B&B this weekend, I have your tickets. B&B. Just let me know. You know what I'm saying? R&M at B&M at B&B. and B, like the way that sound. We might have to do something.

Collab. A little something. A little live podcast. I mean, a little something. Live stream. You know what I mean? You want to pop from VIP on that way. That'd be fun.

Burgers and Pod. I'm tired of you, niggas. Pod and burgers. Pod and bottles. Mm-hmm. Pop a bottle, pot and bottles. They don't have a personal for me? Yeah, but what if me and Roy do, like,

burgers and models the same day as burgers and burgers and models has tears in my eyes? What if we do that the same day and, like, step on y'all rollout. You can't step on us. All right. I don't worry. I only know like one or two models. See, don't worry.

I got you, man. I hate a lying wigger. You a liar. What you mean? You know more than one model. Wait. Chicks that model or chicks that say they model? There's a difference.

There is a difference. There's a difference between putting model in your bio and be a model. If you get paid to put clothes on, you're a model. Okay. You're not a supermodel. You're not a runway model. But if you get paid to put clothes on, you're a model. All right.

That's pretty simple. If you get paid to take clothes off, then I know four. Fans model. Five then. Numbers going down. Five and a half. Because it's just bikini picks.

Yeah, man. So if me and you beef him, will you buy me a bag if you do some fake shit to me? No. Who beefing? I don't buy you a bag when we're not beefing. Why would I buy you one if we're beefing? I got surgery. I was asking Roy to buy me a bag.

He said, no. He said like a coin purse. Buy somebody at coin purse is a lot. I'm sorry. Who has coins on them? Like, who still has coins? He said, what do you need when I had surgery? I was like, I mean, like, you keep sending me food.

I'm like, cool on food. Can you buy me a Louis bag? He said, maybe like a coin purse. Coin person. You know the little zip one? No, I know exactly what a coin person is. I just don't know who has coins anymore. Like, who the fuck walks around and change?

Remember change? Who has change? People have change. A nigga asked me for change the other day. I looked at him like, what are you talking? Like, I have credit cards in my pocket. Like, who the fuck has changed? You know, because of like superstition, I still can't throw chains away.

Like, I keep all my quarters, pennies down. I keep it. Because I feel ungrateful. I feel ungrateful throwing away. Where do you put it? It's all in, like, my desk drawer. I have two big mason jars, and I take them shit to coin star. Oh, okay.

Each mason jar is just like $400. Yeah, like, that adds up. I need it all. Okay. Maybe I should start doing that. You should. Which, because you just thought, like, you throw coin away? No, everything is on the card now, so I don't even get changed back.

Like, where do they? Well, sometimes I use cash for shit, like laundry, you know, corner store run. Laundry? Yeah. It's a card for laundry, too, now. things that I don't want on the record. I do washing fold, so I pay in cash for my washing fold. And they give you change?

Yeah, sometimes it's like 49, 54. Oh, because they weigh the laundry? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And what you don't pay, they don't take card? No, they don't take card. They barely speak English, Ma'all, no, they don't take card. Change?

Like, niggas hand you change? I don't even know what. Bro, the only time I even use cash. is for my barber. Like, I pay my barbara. Now, a barber should take Apple pay. It's 2026. My barber old school.

He still do cash. Off the books. Yeah, he does cash. He do cash. That's the only time I have cash is when I'm going to the barbershop. Ever since our accountant got a woman assistant and a woman to do my taxes, yeah, there's things that I'll take cash out because I don't want. Yeah.

I don't want them looking through my chase like that. Yeah. I can't explain that one. Yeah. That one in particular. mind your business. Because come tax on, like they're going to ask me

to categorize certain things that come up like, hey, QuickBooks didn't put something on here. And then I got to talk about it. But we, we talk about sex all the time. So I feel like,

like anything sexual related that you buy, we can write off as a tax write off. Like, that fuck toy that I bought for this podcast. Like, I didn't use that. Like, that was for a sketch.

And I thought that could be written off. Years ago, I did explain on this podcast when K&I went to the sex store. I had to explain that to Loyant of what the, those charges were. Like,

eighth ab. What's this charge? That's, you should have took cash off for that. Like, I'm with, like, for the swing, like,

we had been drinking and we were in the moment. You know. Yeah, you can't go to the 18 before you go to the sex shop. It's just like, or using the ATM at the sex shop.

You're blowing it. I was going to say, because they have one in there. And they will steal your data. They'll charge you $4 to take your money out and steal your debit card. Yeah. For sure.

But, all right. So, we'll be a, burgers and bottles. Burgers and bottles. The reason I asked... As special guests.

The reason I asked for the bag is because currently Lotto and Cardi B, it was a segue. Lotto and Cardi B are beefing. I just thought you were ungrateful that I was setting you food when you were recovering. They're beefing, right? Well, not beefing, but there's kind of a spat that's going on right now because Lotto's album has come out. It is.

It's a little spat. I don't think they're beefing. I think they both heard each other's feelings. And it sucks. Did you guys remember when Cardi B's audio came out where she got called calling? She was arguing why I spout. vice's manager and she said I'm not pussy-ass lotto vaguely vaguely so remember cardi came out I didn't store that in my brain cardi came out and asked for a burkin well cardi came out and

apologized and was like I'm sorry you know and offered to buy her burkin bag okay we'd never seen a response for lotto so when lotto's album came out on her song give me that she basically was like be offered to buy me a bag like I got mad bags my nigga buy me bags like fuck you're talking about that shit fair but in that situation before we get to the next step maybe I still take the bag I mean I forgive you but I'll take the bag No but if you take the bag you gotta forgive Nah as a pride for person

I didn't ask you for the bag you offered it Alright cool yeah but if you take it that's an apology Nah you offer the bag I'm alright I feel like as a pride for woman because I'm a very prideful woman With a very big big ego um as well And as much as I love Cardi if somebody and I know I think that her heart was in the right place

But if you as an artist offer me a bag as a woman. And also there's this underlying thing where Cardi is one of the biggest female rappers of all time. Like technically, she is, not technically literally, she's more successful in a lotto. Don't reach back and offer me a bag like I'm your side chick.

And I know that that's not, like I'm your side chick and you caught, like, you caught me outside with my girlfriend. Like it gives charity. And I don't think that at all that that was Cardi's intention, but that's what it can come across as. So no, I'm not taking a bag. I don't need your charity.

You call me pussy. You know what I'm saying? that's how Cardi accepts apologies. Maybe that's, that's her reality. Same. Same. But I can get somebody being offended by it. Like, and Lotto said on the breakfast club, she said, I put a nasty taste in her mouth. I think it would put a nasty taste in anybody's mouth. But I think Cardi was just trying to do the wrong thing. But like she's, Cardi came out and put out a statement because Lotto was talking about this on the breakfast club. It said that it put a nasty statement. I mean, put a nasty taste in her mouth. She didn't like it. And she recorded that verse when she was in the middle of her pregnancy. Tension was high. Her emotions were high. And Cardi said, that's, that. phone call came out. I mean, that phone call happened when she was at the height of her pregnancy. So it's a lot of emotions, a lot of hormones. But Cardi did explain, like, hey, I wasn't calling you pussy. I just think you're way too forgiven with that situation with Ice Vice.

And, you know, our ideas of making it right looks different to each other. Nah, but Cardi called a pussy. You ain't going to do that. And I'm with that. You can't take that back. I get it. You don't mean. It's like, you know, you don't know, you're being recorded.

You say some things. But now if I hear it. if Rory was on a phone call you think I'm pussy ass mall like if Rory would be like yo you want to buy you a fitted well fit it but I hear you

he was pregnant so my emotions were going crazy yeah like nah get the fuck out of here man like no it ain't that easy to forgive somebody you looked at as a friend yeah on the phone

with somebody talking about you I'm not pussy ass like yeah you think they're friends they were they both said that they both said that I don't know I don't know if Lado said she considered

her friend she was like it wasn't industry shit we were on like Texan basis like and I think I think I truly do think that Cardi's mouth has been Cardi's mouth her entire life. I think sometimes when you're so good pause, when you're so good with your mouth, you know, if they say people curse real good, sometimes when you get in a flow state of just going off,

you just be saying shit because it comes natural to you. I don't think that she actually means that because I can tell from the way she's been apologizing and apologizing. She really hates that she did that. Like me and you, we've had not with each other, but with somebody that. hate that she did it or hate that it was recorded? No, I think she hates that she did it. Because if it never got out, you think she'd be like, yo, listen, I had a conversation with

somebody and I caught it. No, but people do shit they're not proud of all the time and don't say that they said that. My guess is she probably wouldn't even remember she said it if it wasn't recorded. Yep. Like dead ass, it probably wasn't even that big of a thing that she would have like, I don't remember saying that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I really

because as much as she keeps apologizing and the length of the apology, she said she reached out to her sister. she reached out to her manager she reached out to her even months after it happened i think she really does feel bad and i've done some shit to a friend where it was like i hate that i feel corny that i did this i wasn't in my best state of mind i wasn't my best self at the moment and i hate that what did you do i hate that i don't want to talk about it i don't want to talk about it but it hurts it hurts somebody that i loved and i literally had to come to her and be like yo i'm that was fucked up that was some corny ass shit if you never speak to me again i respect it but i didn't meet it like

that. How did you mean it? I don't want to talk about it. But it was... That's what I'm saying. If you're saying something and it get out, like, you can't be like, yo, I didn't mean it like this. So how did you mean it?

You say you never said something like that or did something that you're not proud of. I've never did that either. Or this bitch-ass nigger or this punk-ass name. I've never done that with nobody I consider a friend. Agree. And any conversation in any room. So that's what I'm saying. Well, the same situation she's talking about.

I also apologize for it. But I didn't say I didn't mean it. I said I shouldn't have been joking about something like that. Yes. that's what it was I just I didn't mean like no we I was joking about something I shouldn't have been I shouldn't have been joking about her personal life it wasn't anything like bad in that regards making jokes but it was insensitive and it shouldn't have been on a fucking microphone so I said I was corny for it and I apologize I understand you say things sitting on this mic that you yeah but not calling somebody like I didn't call her pussy and like you know this what I'm saying I joked about something that I shouldn't have been joking about okay that's one thing joking about carty wasn't on that phone joke no at all so this is what I'm saying saying. So Lotto heard something. We were just being lame. That's what we did. Lotto heard something. And she thought like, damn, I thought this was my friend. Yeah. But now I got to hear you calling me pussy on some conversation. Like, you making Lotto,

like you making me a verb. Like pussy-ass Lotto. Like what that? You know what I mean? And I'm just supposed to be my friend. Like, yeah, no, and there ain't no bad going to just fix that. Like, I'm, you guys, definitely. And I think, I think. But sincere apologies, I think can eventually fix it. I think that's what Cardi has to understand. Cardi got to eat it. You got to eat it. Lotto did say she's open to a conversation, you know what I'm saying, with Cardi.

But it's never going to be the same because I've now, now, even if that's not how you really feel, now I feel that that's how you really feel about me. So it's never going to be the same. But you got to eat that. If you do some fucked up shit to a person you care about, you got to eat it if they're not ready to forgive you or you got to eat however they react to it.

You got to stand on what you did. And it feels uncomfortable. It really does feel uncomfortable. Yeah, but stand on that. Especially if you actually do love the person. That's why I said, I feel like she really does love her. Don't apologize to me the way your man apologize to you with a bag.

Fair. I respect this, though. Catch him cheating. He's short with a new burking. That's why I said. That's what I get, yeah. It would put a nasty taste. And I like, I fuck with Lotto and Cardi, you know what I'm saying? But I mean, I understand Lotto's like, Stance like, nah, I'm cool. It ain't beef, but it's like. I respect Cardi being humble here with a second apology. Yeah, I respect this. Cardi even know she was wrong. She know that.

I respect anybody that understands when they fucked up, and we'll double down again on an apology. I respect that. I got to wear that. So, no, I think this is, this cool. And I think they probably will get on the phone eventually. Yeah.

I didn't see the lot of clip, but did she sound like she was, like, that upset or more just like, I thought that shit was weird. She was asked about it. She didn't bring up. She was asked about it. She just, she laughed.

She was just, yeah, she was cool. I ain't really trying to like, you know. She, I feel like, she also just became a mom. So it was like, I just released out. I just became a mom. This happened almost a year ago. like, yeah, I'm open to a conversation. Yeah, she's not over it.

Yeah, she's like, I'm open to a conversation. The last fucking thing on our mind. Yeah, yeah. But so. No. More, I was trying to explain to everyone at Roots Picnic that you do not have to overpay for great wireless. I had service the whole time.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. I listen to her album. I remember you guys asked me how I like the album. her album. That doja cat joint. Okay. What was it called? Okay.

I like that one too. Fire. She caught a lot of flack. Saying page is crazy. Yo, Peage. That's our song. That's our shit right there, B. She caught a lot of flack because the album is very much.

My man, my man, my man, my man, my man, my man. Now, Sugar Honey Ice Tea was a little My Man, My Man, My Man, too, but it also had some shit in there for people to relate to. But this entire album, damn there is my man, my man, my man. Okay, but you can't win for losing. there. And admittedly, I still haven't listened to the album. But if she would have came out here and did a, yo, fuck all these guys. I'm running through this and that. Would be like, you're in a relationship with a kid. Why would you rap about that? Exactly. She's rapping about her. You can't, you can't win in this situation. Yeah, she's rapping them all. But you can also. Like, yo, we don't

want to hear you, uh, you are rapping about your pussy. You got a man. Like, that's exactly what would happen if she did that. But, but yeah, but here's the thing between the people who are going to tweet that and the people who are going to listen to the music. Yeah. To an extent, you do have to play to your audience to an extent. The audience does not want to hear my man, my man, my man music. I do, because when I get a man, I'll be just like that, right? But most people, when they listen to pussy rap, they're used, and I don't want to, when I refer to pussy rap, I refer to rap women who have

pussies who rap. That's not rapping about pussy, but women who have, you can't change the definition of people who have pussy. You can't just change a genre because you're you. So when you're listening to female rap, there is a level of, I hate men that, you want to hear it. So Lauren Hill is pussy rep. You don't want to hear this in this album.

Right. You don't want to hear that. So MC Light, that's pussy rep. Shut up. Anyway, they don't want to hear that. So she caught a lot of backlash with the Mommy and Mommy and My Man shit. I don't think a lot of pussy rap either way. I think she's not.

But I think with Sugar Honey Ice Tea, it was a perfect balance. You know how much I advocated for that album. I love that album so much. I feel like it was a perfect balance of the things that the single girls can listen to and the my man my man sexual shit this one just leaned completely my man my man

so I understand the backlash that she got that's your shit we're gonna get flag I was looking for okay but that's the same backlash that med got with Meg got with the

song that she released so but now Meg wait now we mad that women are living their rhymes Lotto has a man and has a kid she's rapping about it

Meg just got out of a relationship and she's in the fuck men, I don't want to say hostage of a breakup, but she's in that I'm outside type of time right now. Of course Meg is going to rap, fuck all that wifie shit, it's over. Yeah, that way that's that's the six steps to a breakup. She's in the second one. People are happy now. People are happy about, they were upset about my man, my man, my man, my baby. Let's refer to lemonade as the 11 stages of breakup grief. She's at the weekend. What's the weekend song? Six in Shields. She's at

six and chills time. It's fucking. We on her yacht. My ass is out. Long story short is... Women love to go on that yacht when they hurt, don't they? When they're trying to recover from that heartbreak, they love going on the yacht, boy. They go right to Miami. Why would you not want sunshine when your heart is hurt? Why would you not want sunshine and water

and be among the elements, nigga? I want sunshine when I'm hurt, when I'm happy. Like, sunshine and water is my vibe. She was on a boat with the nigger. And now she broke up with the nigger, she back on a boat. Yeah, but it's something about when a woman is fresh out of a relationship, her first little trip on the yacht with the girls. So that's when a lot of women had their first little lesbian experience.

In the National Waters, they can't be, you know, it's not the same charges. Yeah. It's not the man law, woman law at that point. Yeah, yeah, you know. I love how y'all put, like, y'all, like, fantasies on, like, women. Like, shit that y'all, like, have wet dreams about. Y'all just, like, put that out, like, women's experience. A lot of pussy I've gotten is because they were coming on for breakup and heartbroken.

I just happened to be there. How many women you think I know? life. No, I know you. I'm sure you know a lot. So you think you think I'm just pulling out of thin air? You think I'm pulling from shit that I know. I'm not talking about women being hurt. I'm talking about women having their first lesbian experience. That's how it happens when they fresh out of a breakup. That sounds like a wet dream. No, don't. That sounds like I know a girl that had her first lesbian experience after she had a breakup and she was on a boat in Miami. That's dope. That's dope.

But I don't think that's just like the regular. I didn't say that was regular life. I said women love to have their first lesbian experience fresh out of a breakup on a boat in Miami. That sounds very specific, DeMarish. The sample of the Meg song is, fuck him or what is it? It's fuck that guy. It's like a lesbian anthem. All that wifey shit is dead. Put that shit to bed. All that wife. I'm talking about the sand. I'm going to make a bag when he wants

to bed. How about the sample on the beat? I'm going to make him bag when I want some head. I'm going to make him back. See, all she wants his head. That sounds like lesbian activities. Women eat pussy way better than us. Are you kidding? Man. As they should. I'm going to make him beg when I want. some head. I don't really understand the bar, though. Yeah, you want to give me head. I'm going to make

your bag for it. If I want some head, I'm not going to make her beg. Just give me some head. Yeah. Like, that's you. You don't value. You don't value your penis. That's you. No, I value my penis. But if a woman want to get me head, I'm not going to beg for. I'm not going. That's not my kink. Yeah. Some people like, I don't have that deprecation. That deprecation. A lot of people like begging. A lot of men like begging. I know that's a thing. But that's not me. You don't have to beg. A lot of men like. A lot of men like begging. A lot of men like. A lot of like begging and pegging and megan Nate this this thing is a fucking a rat prophet isn't he I mean I'm just saying That's all I'm just you know looking at life

Look at his lineage on top of that Earl the Pearl Even his nickname rhymes I'm saying yeah man It's not me baby I was going into the universe The universe did this not me I didn't do this I'm just here Did you get any phone calls from your family after your proclamation What's my OVO nation that did go viral No, I spoke to Shout out to my brother Vaughn.

Vaughn called me. We had a fun little conversation. I'll just leave it at that. So you haven't spoken to Biggs? No, I didn't speak to big yet. Okay. Well, we have to speak this weekend. I think about that script.

Yeah, me and me and Hopper's in a group text together, though. And we was putting, hosting videos and shit in there laughing. They wouldn't call me about it. Nobody would call me about that. I'm a grown fucking man. Who can't call my phone asking me anything? I was wondering, yo, I see OVO, you should buy them a bag if they're upset.

OVO, Noel commented on the video of me and you flirting. I said they're about to kick mall out. They think he's fucking enemy. That's funny. They about such a chain bag. That thing said, wait, what? That thing said, wait, what? That shit had me.

Boy, I was laughing for so long. Like, chill. Oh, the page edit? Yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of people did. I seen a lot of people like, yeah, wait, did I miss something? I missed a couple episodes.

Like, what the fuck did I miss? Just the page edit, though. That's it. It's a peach editor. I spoke to your twin. And she's fine with me being the twin now. Okay. Yeah, y'all looks just alike for show.

No, everyone calls me more anyways, so. Yeah. I might as well. I've been called Rory a few times in the airport of 12. Well, okay, so there was no Thanksgiving's going to be fine. Everything is fine, man. Everything is perfectly fine.

They're going to lace your food with the space cakes again. No, nobody's doing that. The internet tried to make that a thing. They're calling me Fredo. You haven't seen the, Godfather. You're Frado now. Shut the fuck up. You and Cameron.

Fuck of y'all. Shut the fuck. It's an uptown thing. You can't go to Yankee Stadium. What? What do people we talk about, man? They said you can't go to a Yankee Stadium? Yeah. I can't go.

What the fuck are y'all talking? People are crazy, man. I heard you got kicked out of Yankee Stadium. Already? A fortune teller said. I'm already kicked out. A fortune tell her told Tasha Kay that because I kicked out of Yankee Stadium. Well, no, I'm glad that everything is okay.

Everything is okay, man. The internet just, you know, the comment section and people on the internet that don't know and, you know, don't know what my relationships with certain people are. They just, you know. But that's not for people to know. Have you seen any of the reactions? We already talked about Oskino's reactions of the freestyle. But since we recorded on Monday, Jaguar writers replied, Dean. Of course she has.

We spoke with everybody. That gives life to everybody for at least another year. year and a half. We'll get to Dames' response, but I will say Jaguar Wright quite possibly has the greatest response to anything in history. The first thing she said when they interviewed her was, why would Jay be talking about me? Mm-hmm. Just out of the thin blue air, Jay just said Jaguar's name. Yeah. I get it. Oh, I don't know. For the last five years, you've been saying he's been running a pedophile ring? Yeah, like, anytime someone, someone, puts a mic in your face? I don't know.

No, she said it like with sincerity. She was totally confused. Why would he be talking about me? Yeah, totally confused. What I do? Yeah. I wish everybody took their meds. The world would be a calmer place if everybody just took the meds that they need. Ayahuasca. If people just go to an ayahuasca trip, just take a trip to Costa Rica,

Mexico somewhere, just get your ayahuasca ceremony and then come back and let us see who you are. I think that would change so much about people. I still have in my favorites, the one in Costa Rica that my therapist sent. Only thing is, it's like a whole week and you got a shit in a bucket for most of it. And I don't know how, like, in between tripping how you shit in a bucket. That's my only thing. You have to shit in the bucket?

You're in like your own. Who told you that? My therapist did it with her husband. You have to shit in the bucket? Well, the one that they sent him, the place that they say. Why do you have to shit in a bucket? Because it's like you're out doors and you have your area. like they have for the week they have different times where it's like the group ayahuasca shit i know you

have a bucket and then throw up there's that but there's also a shit bucket oh yeah no i'm cool because there's it's literally out like in the wilderness are they the same bucket i think i think it's two different buckets for the price i think they give you two buckets how much is the price i think it's around 10 grand for the for the whole week um but yeah that's that's the only thing like if i'm having life revelations i just i don't know if i could also just be sitting on a bucket at the same time. Yeah. That would scare me.

Yeah, for 10 grand, I got to have a bathroom, though. Do I get Wi-Fi? I doubt if they- Look with Demaris. Look at the Maris one coming off. I need to be on Facebook. Yeah, they have Verizon files, but they don't have, they don't have plumbing.

Do they have Wi-Fi? She's coming off her ayahuasca trip. I need to be able to face time. You know, being on the timeline during an ayahuasca is fucking hilarious. No, I don't want to be on the, like, but I got to, like, you know how, like, you drunk dial, like, I got a, like, ayahuasca face time. All you're going to do is keep saying I love everybody. I love you all.

Life is beautiful. That's fire. But you know what? I'm afraid of drugs that make you too truthful. You fuck around and do a drunk car or a drug car. And you too truthful. You've been untold that nigga the truth. Yeah, that's when you're on the line tomorrow.

You're not going to be able to die out of your phone. You're on literally another planet. You're not thinking about your phone. I'm going to find a way to call that niggas. I don't give a fuck. What plan on am on? I'm going to find a way to call that nigga. You tripping.

Hell, no. you're going to be so mad you ever even met that nigga coming off that ayahuasca you're going to be like what was I thinking I cannot believe I gave myself to this man that ayahuasca that should start revealing everything

that shit takes all ego away every last ounce of it gone or maybe she'll realize she was the problem never realized no shit like that but that's what the ayahuasca does though that's ego see that that's your ego right there. The ayahuasca,

it strips all of that. You just are like a living being just happy to be on planet Earth. I don't like that. If we want to save some money, we could just do DMT in my living room and just see where it goes. Doing DMT in Jersey is crazy. And then having to go back

through the tunnel. Oh my God. Coming down off DMT in the fucking tunnel? That is the worst idea ever. When I did my sound journey and went to like a completely another planet, like a whole different universe. Yeah.

Getting back in my car and sitting in traffic from Williamsburg to Jersey was like, I felt like I was melting in that scene. No, it had to be. It was the craziest feeling ever. I was like, why am I on this planet? This would have had to be a sleepover. Sleep over? Yeah, I'm not getting traffic.

Yeah, I'm not getting in traffic. When I wasn't right away, they make you stay. It's very professional. Make you stay for like an hour and a half to like really come. Like, then they have the powwows and all that shit. But you still feel that shit till the next day. Oh yeah. I told you, we sit in like a circle and like, I was tell you, one girl was like,

I had bulimia, now I don't. And like, everyone's like, I taught. Oh, she knows? She ain't eaten on yet. That's what I thought too. I was like, bitch, how you know? We just woke up. You ain't even ate shit.

Yeah. There was another person was I talked to my dead grandmother, finally got closure with my family, and they got to me because you could pass. You don't have to speak. And I passed because I was going to say, I found out I'm a horrible person. Mm-hmm. everyone else had like the best experience cured shit talk to dead relatives like i'm not a good person that was a revelation i'm really not good yeah did you like do you feel like you changed since then

like have you tried to be a better person yeah no all right not a bad person i realized with the tones which i've talked about this that i feel really good around dark dark dark tones and things that are too aggressive and bad for me i was the happiest during the the sound journey. Then when it got to light tones and the 4K frequencies, the God frequencies and all that, I was super uncomfortable just waiting for us to go back to hell. Like, I felt way more comfortable there. So yeah, I was like, oh, maybe I'm just a shitty person. Maybe you're all Lucifer. Maybe. I found out Kanye wrote that whole song today. That's the new thing on the timeline. Got it. Okay. Listen, man, I'm in my got it. All right, cool.

whatever y'all find out cool i got it man it is what it is um but did you guys see the first art of dialogue clip that went out of dame reacting to the freestyle yes i did listen man i've a lot of respect for dame this podcast is advocated for dame for a long time i respect everything he does independently we've promoted america new we've we've been team dame over here for a while it's it's getting kind of tough to watch me i have to be objective in in this I don't know Dame, but when I say that's my guy, always looked up to Dan. This is,

this is getting really hard to watch somebody that you had such a high respect for, of their perspective, to go this route. I'm not saying he can't reply to what Jay said because Jay was replying to him. Of course you can. But you just, and I'm here for the jokes.

You want to make jokes, whatever. Yeah. But like, you know, he must be broke. Like all this shit is, it's like, it's weird. Yeah. It's just weird. It's not Dame to me. And I don't,

know Dane, but it's just not what I've observed of Dane for the last 20 years and how he carries himself. It's been weird the last couple years. That's all I'll say. I think it all stems from a place. I mean, obviously I have, I'm privy to certain things that most are not. But I think we can all, watching what we're watching, agree that it is just a sense of hurt there. And like, I love what Dame said about him, you know, still considering Jay his brother.

You know what I'm saying? Like even though they obviously have gone different ways and different paths, but still considers him his brother. So, I mean, that right there to me lets me know, like, you know, Dame is, we're talking about DMT, Iowaska. I would love to see Dame. Yeah. Coming off of an ayahuasca ceremony and seeing who he is and revealing some things. Because Dame, if you know Dame, Dame's ego is, you know, a lot of his personalities is ego.

But that can be a good thing because you need ego to kind of like believe in yourself, believe in your vision. You got to have a certain amount of ego to kind of, you know, be a CEO entrepreneur and make things happen. Ego can be healthy when used the right way. But then, you know, sometimes you stand on your ego so long and realize that's all you standing on is your ego. Yeah, we talk about ego.

That's a bad thing. Ego being good when you balance it correctly. I think Dame in the early days of what we saw. he was balancing his ego for good at that time. Like it was positive to protect his label against their partner that may be doing some things that he didn't agree with. The ego was used for good at that time. The bad ego, I feel like, has just taken over at this point that it's taken away

critical thinking and logic from everything. Because even I, fuck the whole broke thing. You're telling Jay, the only reason you'd be up there performing is because you're broke. But then at the end of the clip, you're saying, why doesn't Jay do anything creative anymore? Celebrating your 30th and 25th anniversary with a show is creativity.

So is it Uchi Wali or one mic? Should you do something creative? Or if you do something creative, it means you're broke. Which one is it? Yeah. And on top of that, I would challenge Art of Dialogue to ask Dame.

if the Black Keys, which the album he executive produced with Black Keys, is a great album. If they wanted to honor that on its 30th anniversary at Yankee Stadium, would you do it, Dane? Because the answer is yes. Oh, of course. Dane, the album that you just put out with Freeway, which I think is cool. I really wasn't mad at it. If the world wanted to honor that on its 25th anniversary of Yankee Stadium, would you go on stage with Freeway or would that mean you're broke? If the Roots wanted Dame Dash and Freeway to headline next year, would you do it?

Of course he would. No, that means you broke. But you know that Dame don't even believe what he's saying. Like, you think that? You think he fully believes that Jay-Z is broke. He does not believe that J-C is broke. He does not believe that. He does not believe that.

I'm starting to think he, even Dames trope, because you can tell if you know people from Harlem, like when they're really trolling. I think he believes the things he's saying, though. No, I don't think he believes the things he's saying. I believe that he believes that he believes that he has to say the things that he's saying. I don't think he believes what he's saying, though. Like, Dame knows Jay is not broke. Nowhere near it.

You can't be married to Beyonce and be broke. That's just, I mean, that doesn't happen. She's hit the Forbes list. Congratulations to Beyonce. Even though we don't celebrate billionaire, she just hit the Forbes list for becoming another billionaire. Yeah, like you just, I mean, broke. That's not what that B stands for. I can promise you that that's not what that B stand.

But again, like I said, man, I think that, you know, Dame just is, you know, he's in a spot where he just has to, he has to stand on what he's been standing on. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes, again, you end up looking down and realize that that's all you're standing on. And it's like, it's okay to just be like, yo, you know, I'm hurt. And I think Damon spoke to that.

He has heard about everything that happened and how things happened. But a lot of it is baked in ego and pride with Dame. And like I said, ego can be a healthy thing if used the right way, if balanced with, you know, reality and humility. You know what I mean? You need balance in life. That's what life is balanced. It can't just be ego, ego, ego, ego all the time. And I'm right.

I'm right. I'm right. It's my way, my way, my way. That just doesn't. That's not how the universe is designed. So, you know, I mean, I still got a lot of love and respect for Dame, you know what I'm saying? a big part of my growing up being around him and my brothers. A lot of conversations and things that was instilled in me.

I still hold to this day. But yeah, we all grow as men and get older and things happen and things go another way. And sometimes it's unfortunate with shit lands. But, you know, I still have nothing but love and respect for Damon. And hopefully he's, you know, which it seems that he's doing everything that he wants to do and he still has a creative mind and he still has a lot of things that he wants to do and things like that. which is, you know, good things. Like keep creating, keep doing what you're doing.

But I think it is time for another narrative between when it comes to hearing Dame talk about Jay. I think it's time for a different narrative. Like, we get it. You know, the relationship was sour. We know that you obviously still your words. Look at him as a brother and things like that. But it's just time for a new narrative when it comes to hearing Dame talk about Jay. It's been too long.

I kind of wish Jay wouldn't have. I get why Jay addressed everybody, but I wish he wouldn't have because I felt like maybe it was getting towards the time where people would stop giving them a platform and talk about Jay, but Jay just re-ignited that fire. If the whole Busby thing didn't happen, I don't think we get that. But I think Jay out the gate when the Busby thing happened, posting on Instagram and getting in front of that lawsuit right away, that pissed him off so much that he's going to address that. And while I'm at it, I might as well address the Rossio. If I'm going to speak, I might as well speak about everyone. If the Buzzbee shit doesn't happen, no. I don't think he gets up there and

talks about Nikki Dame, Osceino. I don't think any of that happens. But while we're up here, yeah. Y'all are nuts. Yeah. So, but I mean, I think Dame had one great move in that first clip. I personally just think that Jay is going to cut his hair for reasonable doubt and blueprint. Dane positioned it where he can now say that Jay listened to him and that's why he cut there. Because through that whole club, he's like, Jay, I need you to cut your hair, do the Caesar with the Yanke. The shit that we all think Jay is going to do and was probably already going to do. Now, Dane could be like, you see, you listen to me? Yeah. Which isn't the truth. But it was a good move. But in Dane fashion, he's going to take credit for that. Of course he is.

One thousand percent he's going to. Because Jay, I believe Jay is definitely going to cut his hair for the Yankee Stadium show. I don't want him to. I like the fro. The fro's cool. But yeah, but what do you go from the fro now? He's not going to get cornrows. God, no. He don't got the head for it. Just keep the frozen. I don't see him combing out his wicks to then re-twist and lock his hair again.

But I mean, if he combed out his wicks, I think he did it to cut his hair. No, you don't have to comb out. You don't have to spend four days getting your hair combed out. All right, he has, the Roots picnic was before, obviously, reasonable doubt,

and blueprint. I think he wanted to have the moment of his haircut for that. So in between, do that. Yeah. I mean, all he might, I think he did it to cut his hair eventually.

There's also a world where he will hit this stage with the fro. With the fro. Yeah, that's all. I'm like, I'm not spending four days.

I'm not that dialed into it. I don't care about it that much. I think aesthetically, that is kind of like what people are leaning to. Like, if it's the 30th anniversary of reasonable doubt,

like, do you go back to that original aesthetic with Jay with the low season? You know what I'm saying? Like, do you go back to that aesthetic? I think, you know, we can kind of guess that that is probably the thing.

But I don't, there's also a world where he's like, I'm not thinking about it that deeply. Like, yeah. Do you think he dresses to like the way your brother, him and Dane, on the reasonable doubt cover, like, with those suits? You think he does that?

I think he comes out like that. Yeah. But I think eventually he goes into a Yankee jersey and kind of like with him and JD did money into thing. Yeah. Jersey, Braves jersey. Like, I think he goes into that at some point. I hope he in a Derek Jeter jersey.

For Blueprint, I hope he goes full 2001. Like, dress as stupid as we were all dressing in 2001. Yeah. I'd like to see that. Like let's really What was just a fascinating? It wasn't that. I mean, it was rock aware, obviously.

I mean, so baggy, you wanted to go baggy, is what you saying? O-1 Baggy wasn't too, too bad. No, yeah, it was more towards like 0-4 when things got like really nasty. Yeah.

No-5. O-1 wasn't that bad. I take it back. Oh-4-05, it was really bad. Yeah, it got weird at that point. Yeah, O-1 wasn't crazy. It was just, you know, but yeah.

Which, I mean, shit. Now the jeans now are 01 jeans. Yeah. So yeah. Was it called Ryan Hill drag? We never had Hill drag, Ryan. We had big jeans, but if your jeans was dragging on the floor. You was dragging people and putting your heels on their face. Yeah, you looked at as dirty if your jeans was dragging on the floor back then. But we had

some big baggy jeans. I meant to ask you, speaking of Jay's hair, you said something on our, one of our previous episodes about your conversation with Drake and that has gone viral, like everything you fucking say in connection with Drake. Did you get any backlash for that? Because you kind of set him up to be

shitted on. No, I didn't. I know you didn't do it on purpose, but what I'm saying is. And no matter what somebody says about Drake, they're going to shit on Drake. We know that. But it wasn't,

he was kind of thrown off just like everybody else. Like, yo, is that a, is that a wig? Because the last time we saw Jay, he had wicks. Like, yeah. So that was a real reaction.

Like, yo, but what's on with the hair? Like, what is he? I just was wondering, I guess, in your, in your, because I know with all of us, not even just with our famous friends,

sometimes we're talking about our friends and innocent conversations and things get turned around. So I know sometimes my friends have asked me to stop talking about them on our podcasts. No, so that's why I'm just wondering. For me, it's not like that.

And anybody that knows me knows I'm not, I'm never saying something and trying to paint them in a negative way. Like the internet is going to do with the internet does no matter what you say, they're going to paint it how they paint it. But no, it wasn't a negative thing. It was a confused thing as everybody was like we were all. And obviously,

that's what Jay wanted. He had the hood on the day before. Didn't show nobody. They said he knew what that was going to do. Everybody was like, oh, shit. So that's what his reaction was like, yo, is that his hair? Is that a wig? Is that like, what is that?

Nobody under, it was all confusing that. But I know how the internet works. That's why when you said it, I was like, oh, they're going to take that and run with it. But then right after that, I said, in Drake's defense, everyone that I was around was coming up with theories during a hovito of like, oh, he's going to take it off. It's going to be the Cesar. like everyone in real time at the festival thought yo that might be a wig he's going to take the shit off so yeah I don't think it's a crazy thing to text your friend like yo

no but when you when you're dealing with someone who has been accused of not being a part of not not understanding their culture and then you make a hair they don't have culture you have you have or Freds and Toronto you have a when you have someone who's has been accused of that and they're also biracial and then you make a comment about black hair, I knew the moment you said that that that was going to be taken

a different way. It wasn't a comment about what's up with Jay's hair. I don't know what you're saying. But that's what I'm speaking to that. Like, it wasn't a comment about black hair. It was a comment about Jay Z's hair. Like, what the fuck is that his hair was that a wig? Like, people didn't genuinely did not know what it was. Like, because a lot of people don't know that you can comb out your locks. You can comb out your wicks. A lot of people that cut their locks. they just go straight and cut it. They clip the wicks and get a fucking either a little fro or a Caesar.

Nobody ever seen somebody really comb out. I will say I would have never guessed it because I am outside of the fro culture. Jay did what it was supposed to. It's a fucking conversational piece. He knew what he was doing? We're still talking about, everyone's still talking about,

just seeing Lord Jemar and Vlad talking about if it's possible to do that. Yeah, it's very possible to do that. It became a conversational piece completely of his fro where I was just like oh that's cool. And then the hairstyle was she spoke about it. Yeah. She said it took like four hours, something like that for days. Four days. Four days? Four days? Four days? Four days? Four days? Four bottles of sacred. I guess that's

also. Four days and four bottles of sacred. That's sound like a new goddamn slogan. I get. Four days? Four bottles of sacred. You get your edges back. Yeah. It was just very confused. It was, it just shows that everybody really does. They got to be best friends now. Everybody does. I just sitting 10 hours a day for four days? Yeah. That's your best friend now. Everybody does live in their own corners of the world because I was flabbergasted to see people be flabbergasted that you could comb locks out like to me that's common like black hair knowledge i was confused why everybody was yeah but a lot of people i was to come pledge they cut their dreds i was the complete opposite i didn't know that you couldn't do that you didn't know that you could do that

everyone was saying you can't do that i didn't know you couldn't oh yeah it's like i didn't know that i thought that was possible i don't know i don't know that's a regular thing people do that people do that all the time it's a regular thing so that's why i was just like confit i was like but then the videos of people doing it started going viral. It was just weird watching, like, people have discussions on things. I was just like, I thought this was common knowledge. And again, outside white mine,

like all my friends that did have locks when I was a kid, when they cut them, they did just cut their hair. But I didn't think it's because they couldn't, I just thought they wanted to cut their hair. Well, it's because it takes a long time. It takes a long time. It's a lot of effort.

Long time, a lot of care. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm sure you can damage your hair really easily. It's a really slow process. So a lot of people don't do that. They just cut it.

But yeah, plenty of people that come out there. And, you know, I know Jay's broke, but I'm sure Beyonce paid for him to get. She's front of him to bottles of sacred. That was on a arm. I'm sure a billionaire could get that done faster than the average person. Bottles of sacred was on the arm. That was on the arm. No, it does not get done faster than the average person.

Same amount of time. There's no, there's no. Unless you have multiple people. I was about to say, could you get like, any people to do? Yeah, but the, but the, the stylist didn't say that. I think like two of his stylists came out, but yeah. It's a tender loving care process. Who's a, who's homie from Rage Against the Machine?

Lead singer. I got to talk to him about the white locks. See how long it takes to get them up. No, your hair will crumble. White people not be supposed to have locks. Your hair will fucking crumble. You don't remember my man from, he had the dirty white locks.

Zach de la Roche, de la Rocha. He coined the dirty white dreads. Is he white? He looked biracial. Oh, I don't know. That ain't a white man. Rory, look at you trying to take ours.

Everyone called him white. They used to coin his dirty white locks. Like, that was a thing when we were a kid. They would call him dirty white locks. That is not a white man in the sight. Okay, well, then everyone called him white. And his locks ain't dirty. All right.

I'm not making this up. That was a thing. No, you being racist, right? Yo, you being racist. His name is Zach De La Rocha. I don't see if him being white. De La? Yeah, no, he's not a white guy.

Okay. Everyone in the comments, please remind them that everyone called the lead singer of rage against the machine white. Everyone in the comments, please remind Rory that he's racist. You don't need to do that. He's Mexican-American. He'll be there right there. Oh, look.

He's Mexican-American. Mexican-African. Jewish-German-Irish. You're not going to read the first. Mexican-African? Safarity Jewish, German, and Irish roots. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. So he's Mexican. There's white Mexicans. That is true. But it also says African. There's white Africans too. Well, everyone comes from Africa. Well, then come on.

Yeah, remember that. Remember that bitch-ass nigga? How did you feel about the Conway verse freestyle? On to make them pay? Shout to my guy Conway, man. That's my niggie, man. Always love when I hear Khan drop some music. But.

But some of the things he said in there, I was like, it was a little disheartening and a little, like, you know. What specifically? I mean, something that I knew for a while, but I just never spoke about it publicly. It was one of the main reasons why it was kind of like a, I guess, a splitting Griselda is because West Side Gun didn't want to give Benny and Conway

5% of Griselda, so 10% and let them split 10%, which is something that Jay-Z had, had, kind of like suggested in a meeting with them. And Gunn said no. He didn't want to do that. Which to me was shocking when I first heard about that, I was like, word. Now, don't get a twisted gun. You know, he definitely curated the whole Griselda thing.

He got it lit, got it popping. But Griselda is not Griselda without the three of them. I agree. So when you say 10%, that's nothing. And we're a family for real. Like brothers and cousin. Like, that was a little shocking. And I never spoke on it because obviously that's something that, I guess, you know, they didn't want to be public knowledge.

So I wasn't going to be the person to speak about that. But Conway obviously, you know, put it out there on this freestyle. And, yeah, so that was something that when I first heard about that, I was kind of like, damn, you know, that's a little fucked up. But, you know, I'm hearing that they've had conversations and are working through things and in a better place right now than they were a while ago. So hopefully they get that right. And then Conway talking about his split with my guy Chad, who was managing him. You know, I spoke to Chad a couple months ago and he, oh, a couple weeks ago, he let me know

that him and Khan was going separate ways. You know, didn't really get into the wise or whatever. was just, you know, let me know that, you know, he wasn't going to really be around anymore, but, you know, want to remain in touch and things like that. I haven't spoken to Conway yet. I am going to call them, though, so we could chop it up. And again, that's their business, but shout out to Chad. Love Chad.

Chad. Yeah, whatever they did. But nothing but good to me. Not our business. Conway said what he said, obviously, in regards to the situation. And I've had, you know, a personal conversation with Chad. that will remain personal as well. But, you know, things happen, man.

You know, things sometimes go sour, go a different way for whatever reason. You know, but change is not always a negative thing. Change can be great for both sides. Obviously, we know a little something about that, Rory. Yeah. And I mean, if Conway and Benny were asking for like 33%, I'd be like, you could understand that. Like, West Memphis, he put up a lot of money.

like a lot of infrastructure cuts them that. But if you split in five and five, though, like. Yeah. And this is coming from Jay Z's mouth. Like, yo, why don't you just give them 10%? Let them split 10. We do the deal, you know what I mean? Like, and we keep rocking.

And I know we've talked about people's actual business before and this and that. But I mean, I would like to hear West's side because I do sometimes get uncomfortable talking about this because we don't. know all the details with everything. Because I've even seen it happen with you and I where people are misinformed naturally because they don't have all the details of everything and looked at you and I like we were fucking crazy.

And then they got the details and was like, oh no, they're not nuts. So I don't know what those conversations, we're here in Conway side. And I'm not calling Conway a liar whatsoever, but I'd like to- What Conway's saying is what it is. Okay.

There's no, this isn't coming from somebody that wasn't there, that wasn't a part of it. This is somebody that is directly involved in it. Oh, no, for sure. I get that. So this is basically the horse's mouth. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not coming from a blogger or somebody that may have heard.

Like, this is Conway saying the reason why I never spoke on it, and I knew about this for a while. But I wasn't bringing that to the forefront and putting that, you know, out there like that until, yeah, it wasn't. It's not my place to do that. You know what I'm saying? But since Conway put it out there in a verse. here we are talking about it. You know what I mean? And, you know, but again, I'm hearing that they've had conversations and, you know,

Benny was just here. I told him, I said, yo, I know there's talks and things like that. Like, so hopefully they're in a better place and, you know, getting back closer to the Griselda thing because, you know, Griselda is a lot stronger when all three of those guys are collectively working. When you let Wes curate the movement and let him curate the music, I think it's undeniable. Like we've seen it, you know what I mean?

So we can speak to that. And it's something I think is missing too. Yeah. And I know if they get back together, the natural thought would be, all right, we need the Derringer and Alchemist's executive produced Griselda album, which I agree with. But I would like the version of Griselda that Jay did with Black album. I want you all to go to Just. I want you y'all to go to Swiz.

I want you how to do the Griselda album with some big producers. Yeah. The core of it should be Derringer, no matter what. As Derringer's that guy, like, he helped create that entire Grzota sound, and then obviously Al-Azal. Yeah. But I want to hear the three of them get their actual shot with some of the bigger producers. Yeah.

As a fan, I feel like hip-hop is kind of old, the 12-track Grisota album. For sure. That's all. No features either. Unless it's hoover nons, I don't want to hear. Just the three of them. Just them. Okay.

I'm mad at that. Unless it's over Nause, I don't care. Yeah. Or three stacks. That would be maybe the only other one I would think. I'm mad at that. But it needs to happen. We shall see.

We're going to take a quick, quick break. Speaking of producers, this is also a producer I would like to hear on that fucking Griselda project. We have the legendary, legendary Bink about to join us and get into some shit. We will see you after the break. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor Hard Rock Bet, Moe, you know that's Florida Sports. Yeah.

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Because since everyone has a podcast, we wanted to as well. And we've had some incredible guests so far. And now our good friend, Nile Horn, is joining the show. How's it going, boys? Hey, Niall. It's the same thing with Slow Hands. Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can't be about food.

You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done. You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. And we're back. and we are back with one of my favorite producers of all time. Not only that, the creator of one of my favorite sounds of all time as well. We are joined by the legendary Bink.

Welcome to the show. The Humble Monster. Appreciate you joining us. What's up here, man? Man, I'm up here with the guys. Perfect timing, man. Perfect timing for you to come to the show. Back to you're in New York now. It's perfect.

This is great. When Rory told me Bink was coming through, I was like, oh, shit. The hell what Bing doing running around? Hey, man. Good to it. Yeah, man. Working? A little bit.

No, don't say a little. See, Bing will say a little bit and then a fucking smash a drop next month. He had a number one song. So just a little bit of work. I mean, it's working a little bit. I mean, no, actually the AZ stuff just drops. Yep. Yeah.

Salute to that. Do it out too. Salute to that. Yeah. A lot of fresh water up there. Yeah. Now, for people that don't know you, Bink, you've worked with everybody from Teddy Riley Black Street all the way to

Jay Z and 702 Maya you've worked with a little bit of everybody and your years and experience in music in the industry and dealing with artists today, 26 how does Bank feel about the state the current state of music in the music business?

Horrible. Horrible. I just don't meet a lot of kids that's actually trying to innovate. Okay. Everybody's content with recycling. Yeah.

Or redoing something that they love before. So they, they stay in right there. That's the problem with me. Like, nobody's in the house like, y'all,

I'm fitting to fuck these niggas out. Like, some shit ain't nobody ever heard before. I just found some records from Japan. Like, nobody's on that page no more. He's just everybody like, what's the vibe? Oh, that's the vibe.

That's what we're on. What's what we're doing? That's the temperature now. Like, nobody's really trying to be over here. There's kids that are doing that. I just don't like their innovation. Like, I do think that the Playboy Cardi and his kids and that genre is trying to do that.

I just don't like it. So, like innovation is happening. Right. I just don't know if it's good. Most people didn't like Barnes of a Bagdad. Well, they're stupid. Right? But at the same time...

There was never a time that I was like, this is whack. Right. But I'm just saying you can't ANR or Missy Elio Alcast. Facts. You can't. Yeah. You just got to do. What other record?

Just give me the records. we're just going to push it. Yeah. Because you can't, you know what I mean? So it's like, there's nothing wrong with that. Not fitting in, sounding like something totally different. That used to be the cool thing. It was a reward.

Not fitting in and being totally different and not sounded like. It used to be bad if you sounded like somebody else. That part. You would get called out for it. Now people are engaging where they are according to how much they sound like. Right. That's a fact, yeah. So that's a problem.

Yeah. So when you say nobody can really A&R. Missy, you've worked with Missy. multiple times. What is the process even like working with someone like that? Missy ultimately is a producer. Yeah, absolutely. She knows what she wants. She knows how she wanted to go. And if you bring her something, she's just, her vision for it is like she's vivid. You already has it. Take the bass out right there, drop the drums. Like she's that. Yes. You know what I'm saying? So

most people aren't that. So, but the way Missy creates, she allows whatever the music is doing to take her wherever she's going to go. Like, get your freak on. It's like, come on. Like, what we're talking about? You feel what I'm talking about? But she locked right in with that beat. She just locked right in.

So her and Buster and people like that, like they just grate it doing things like that. That's what I just miss people wanting to be like, you know what, I don't want to sound like boss man Dilo. I don't want to sound like Gloria. And now everybody's like every A&R now was like, oh yeah, you're going to be Gloria. Right.

You're going to be the, you see what I'm saying? And it's like, bro, what are we doing? I can't even tell who's singing what no more. You know what I'm saying? Like, this song sounds good, but everybody sounds like Kalani to me. Right. Yeah.

So, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, so what do you think that outside of the obvious talent difference, but in VA, when Teddy Riley was down there, when it was you, Farrell, Knott, Missy, Timberlin, like, all of you guys in the same area, a small area at that. It's not like you guys were in New York City

or L.A. where it's so spread out. It's a very small area. How did you guys deal with that and not sounding like each other? Especially with Teddy kind of leading that whole crew. Virginia is very similar to Cali, meaning most people you mean to Cali

I ain't from Cali. They want to their own dream. You know what I'm saying? Everybody wants there. So in Virginia, we're a military-based place. You know what I'm saying? So it's like all these people come from all these different places. So the influences come

from a lot of different places. Okay. But my story is Timberlin and Missy and Mad Skills were the first to make it out of Virginia. Shout the Skills.

Right, shout out of the Skills. And there was another group called Yag Fu Front that came out way back. I forgot the name of the record, but they were like the first people I've seen from Virginia, but a lot of people don't know. If you go back and listen to Mad Band, Jodacy.

Devon. Yeah. But you're here, Missy all in the interludes in the background. Yeah. Like, she's writing all through that intimately program and drums through the whole album. So yeah, a lot of people don't bring up Devante when they come to that whole, that sound. Devonte was kind of like a spin off of a teddy a little bit. You know what I mean?

Like the influence was Teddy for sure. But he came with the church chords, you know what I'm saying, with that real soulful, churchy vibe and just took us somewhere else. Yeah. That part. Yeah. So me watching Missy, she's in the group called Faye Z. at the time and Devonte came and snatched them up, Timblin and Michigan took them to Buffalo.

So once I knew they went with Devonte, like keep in mind, Jocet wasn't Jodice yet, like that crazy. But yeah, when they came out, it was just like, damn, okay, some people from Peatown, because Portsman was like 10, 15 minutes from Norfolk. You know what I'm saying? Me and Knott grew up five minutes apart, but we're a lot. I'm like five, six years older than him. I went to school with his brothers, his older brothers and stuff.

So we are within the same proximity, but I understand that era of music, you can get shattered or punch in your face for copying somebody's shit. Like, you couldn't even ask a producer. Yo, what's that sample? Like, that's like, what fuck you mean? Hmm.

Like, I had to dig through that. They would turn the beat off. Like, what you mean? Right. Because it's a sample. I can't own somebody else's music. So if you want to go find this sample and do it yourself, you can.

Right. I don't own this shit. Right. You see what I'm saying? So when you digging, you don't really want nobody knowing when you're digging that. They can beat you to your own goddamn idea. Once it come out, they can put into credits. It's fair game.

They're going to see it. They're going to go down the rabble hole. Oh, Curtis Mayfield. Oh, damn, I ain't know he type of shit. Right. But when you're in the grass roots of it, you're like, you're trying to keep that shit quiet. Like, I am anyway. Yeah, yeah.

Where did that shift happen, you think? Like, in sessions where it became okay to ask this type of question. Oh, this generation, bro, it's like, it's too much kumbaya shit. It's like everybody is so. in a rush to show you their process. Now understanding that your process is your barcode, that's who you are. That's what makes you who you are.

Like, if you're going around and told everybody how to do your podcast like your podcast, you know what I'm saying? Like I say, have you ever seen David Blaine saw somebody how he cut somebody in half? Right. Fuck no. Right.

Why would he? Now he's not special. Now everybody knows I do this shit. So I got to keep certain things to keep the mystique for what I created to myself. So I can protect my longevity and, you know what I'm saying?

this generation thing you're supposed to share everything. It's like, no, that's the edge in business to have some information that that other company doesn't have to give you an edge. That's what it's about. You don't be like, hey, yo, matter of fact, you ever heard about this new thing? Check this out. You're not going to do that. Yeah, it's almost you're considered a weirdo if you're trying to be private these days. They don't understand what signature means or exclusivity.

They don't get it. Yeah. Everything is like microwave. Like, they want to know something. Like, if we in the studio right now, we do a dog. song, they want to put it on Instagram live right then. Yeah, which is crazy. It's nuts.

I mean, how do you balance that with, like, when you collab with people like Teddy Riley, Stevie J or something like, how do you hide the sauce but still collaborate with people? See, it's in that type of setting, bro, it's a real tradeoff. You know what I'm saying? Because Teddy and Stevie J. are musicians. Yeah. Not just producers. Like, they're a phenomenal musician.

Steve's playing every... Every inch of me. You know what I'm saying? Child prodigy. Right, it's different. So it's like we are exchanging energy as far as music. Like I may come with a duperer and sammy. He'd be like, oh, he heard the guitar.

Oh, yeah. And we just feeding off each other. That's different. I don't need to be doing a record with four other producers that's just sample. Like, what are you doing? Yeah. You feel me? So it's like that's why I'm cool with it as long as I'm in the room with somebody that doesn't do what I do.

We all compliment each other. Do you prefer to work Like when you Building a sound And a beat Do you prefer to be in a room By yourself Or do you prefer to actually be in there with

An artist that you're working with And throw ideas back and forth It's both Like initially I love to pick the brain of the artist So I can understand really Where you're coming from I don't want you to play me no records

And say this is where I am Because I don't want to hear that Yeah You see what I'm saying Well, most people want to hear it because they want to try to give you what they just heard. I don't want to do with that.

I just want to make sure I know where you're trying to be as far as sonically. And then I could, tempo-wise, and I pay attention to the tempo. Okay. If anything.

I listen to an artist. I'm like, okay, you know what? He sounds great at like 86 beats per minute. Just listen to certain songs. Oh, you know, he really caught his thing on 100 beats per minute. So it's like,

you got to really study who you're working with so you don't come with something that they're not good. that. It's a long drawn out session because we're trying to figure shit out. You know what I'm saying? So it's like knowing how to be creative without deviating from who they are

too much. You know what I'm saying? Just getting them to try something within themselves. Yeah. But just push them a little bit. No, you're that. With the 25th anniversary of Blueprint coming up in, well, the show

in July, and you being kind of the source and new of that sound and that album. What's your feelings of it being honored and coming into 25 years? I mean, first of all, it's a blessing to even be still relevant 25 years later. You know what I'm saying?

That's what these kids don't get. Yeah, you've been getting a couple of checks for three years, but hollied me in 10. You know what I'm saying? Where you at? Like, I've seen a lot of people come and go in this game. they don't, they feel like they can't figure out

where the music is going. And the, in the, the, the biggest rule to me in music is not to have none. Yeah. That's the big rule of the left over. Yeah. No, no, don't, the biggest rule in music is don't have nothing. Got you. Because you put yourself in the box.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, I got a sign. Well, it has to be like this. No. Like, who, Farrell didn't know he was going to do grinding with nothing. And it was just drums. Right. He had no idea he was going to do that.

Right. But it happened. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like you just got to understand music is just a moment. And just trying to capture that moment. That's why you see Tupac going off and doing it and still like, yo man, do all that mixing shit later.

Right. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we ain't got time for that. Like, bro, pull up the next beat, turn the mic on, let's go while we're flowing. Right. That's super duper important, bro. Yeah. Think you understand that.

It's fun because I've asked you a million questions on the phone just as a rap fan. I've never asked you this. What September 11th, 2001, when you know you have these joints on a Jay-Z album, and 9-11 happens the same day that Blueprint is dropping. Because I know you was on September 10th. Like, they about to hear some crazy shit. The crazy shit was. I was such a huge part of this.

It was a-leens hit the fucking towers. It was a super leak out, though. Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. So nobody really knew the real sequence of the album. So everybody's calling me, yo, which one you do? I don't know which ones you listen to. Like, you know what I'm just waiting here like, y'all motherfuckers. So the sequence changed a lot.

But when I found out that Rulersback was number one. The intro, yeah. I don't think I've ever really been that excited about a drop of viable. Still one of the greatest rap intros ever. Probably ever. I mean, Dreams and Nightmares might have something to say about that. But the Ruler's back. I mean, I remember when Blueprint dropped and that, it started with that.

I remember everybody looking at each other like, yo, that's some of the hardest, just those drums. And to this day, like I always envisioned Jay coming out to just that, like a show starting to show with the rules back, which I think we'll probably. I'm sure. Yeah, Yankee Stadium. Yeah, Yankee Stadium. But, I mean, I think it'll start and close with Binks records. Yeah, yeah, for sure. When you were doing rulers back, when you heard Jay later that,

did you know as soon as you heard it how special it was? Yeah. But it still wasn't finished yet. So I do so much in the mix. Okay. People don't understand. Rules back almost didn't happen. Wow.

So the day of the mix, I used to mix it sound on sound, which was like damn near back to back to Daddy's house. Okay. And I actually did. the beat to roll his back in Daddy's house. Okay. I was using Puff Records. You used to have just a bunch of records in the studio in the midiroom,

so I just went through the middle room and just pulled that record out when they and did the beat. And then the day I mixed it, which was probably like a year and a half later, I thought I did the beat. I put the disc in the MP and they said, data corrupted. So I had lost the whole beat. So just to have my father was in town. We had to walk over.

For floppy disks? Yeah, floppy disks. Remember floppy disks? Yeah. So I had to walk to dad. Daddy's house, find the record, bring it back to sound-on-sown. And redo the whole shit and then mix it.

Oh, my God. That was all matter in the crazy shit was hip-hop came over. He had bought some smoking. Because he always come through the sessions, we blow it down and shit. And I was just, when I put the disc in, they kept saying corrupted. So I was just like not saying that.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, well, you got them on mix with the check. I'm going to check him some more mixes. You know what I'm saying? To grab my mind I'm like, oh shit, what the fuck am I finished? But I'm not going to tell us now.

I'm not losing this place. I don't give a fuck what I got to do. You know what I'm saying? And his mom's love me done already? No, not yet. Okay, got you. But it took me about three hours to find that record at the house.

By the time I finished, I'm not going to ask what sample it is because I want to. No, no, it was, it was, I think, Margie Joseph, If, the name of the song. And it took me about three hours because it's just a whole bunch of random records in Daddy's house. I had to go through all those fucking records.

And I found it. And brother, best fun in my life. I came back and I redid the whole shit. So, yeah, the rule is back is the greatest rap mentor ever. Because I don't think they had that story about dreams and nightmares. I don't think they lost it

and it had to do it all over again. Like, I don't, that just does not. So it's hot there when you readd it. did it and he picked that for Jay? I got him out of there. He wanted to start checking on other mixes because they're making their rounds. Everybody's mixing.

You know what I'm saying? So they're just going through listening in the mixes. So I'm like, yeah, go check somebody else mix. Yeah, go. So once you redid it, did Jay hear it first or Hop here at first? They heard it together. Okay. I believe, you know what I'm saying?

I don't know if Jay came back to the studio. I know Hop came out. No, Jay heard it later. Hop came out of his studio. I heard it sound on sound, then took it to Jay. But Jay always allowed me to do me.

He never tried to micro-manage mixing the record. You got so many artists like, yo, don't touch like, you, I love it how it is. And he's like, yo, do you? Until I hear something

that bothers me, I'm not saying nothing. Yeah. And I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, the sound you created off the Dynasty album before that, I could see why Jay was like,

well, just leave him alone. We're cool. It started with Beans. Beans was the first person to notice me, my music. Because, remember the hard on life,

tour when they had, they was in the back of this van with the jail jump was on and they, you know, they come together. They wanted somebody to score it. So Jay Brown was managing me at the time and he convinced him and letting me do it. I'm going Enterprise Studios in LA. I scored a joint and do a beat tour, sound effects, send it to him. They're like, yo, it's a go, this is dope. So they use it for the show.

That was intro to the show, hard on life tour. Okay. Beans heard the beat like, yo, what's this? You're like, no, I need, I need this. So he took the beat and he did rap from my name. That's how we got around for my niggas. That's the beat from the Holland Life Tour intro, actually. And then after that, we did raw and uncut.

And that's when I got the attention to J for real. Okay. Because he jumped on that. So between 1,900 hustler, you, me, him, and her. What was the first from Dynasty that you did with everybody? Brough, you me him and her baseline. I was the first of all, I was the first person. One of the craziest fucking beast ever.

I was the first person to ever. record and baseline. That's wild. Period. I gave them their first check. Like, you can go to somebody restaurant? You got a doll on the wall?

Mm-hmm. I gave them their first P.O. from Alexa records for like 20 grand for 30 days. Mm-hmm. And I was working with Missy. Mm-hmm. I was doing Moka.

She had an artist named Moka at the time. Yeah. Yep. I was in the B-room. A-room wasn't finished yet. They were still finishing that A-room. Mm-hmm. And eventually A-room got finished,

so I'm in the B-room doing my thing. And that beat is playing. I got loud as shit. And I turned around. Jay is in the room. And he's walking. When you get him doing that shit, it's over. Yeah.

When he's tired rapping to itself, it's a rap. So I turned the beat up. He's like, yo don't turn it off. Turn it back on. He's like, ooh, bring this in the A-room, playboy, and walked out. Man, I was like, this is this full girl. I say, you know, nurse. I'm like, the fuck.

Nah. Like, you know what the man said? Take that two inch off, brother. and let's get to this A room the fuck we talk about you know what I'm saying So This is for who

Nah, no though they She ain't here nothing He went in there for like Maybe an hour And then And laid it out Laid his verse down

And it stayed With just his verse For probably about two months Mm And then everybody else Added their verses Yeah Yeah

I want to pull the room Who has the best verse On 1,900 Hustler? We can start with more I know my answer and it may not be the popular one. I'm gonna go beans. Okay.

I'm gonna go beat. You made the beat? I'm gonna go young free. DeMaris wasn't born. They wasn't born. I think Bleak had the best verse on that and that's on. Bleak has my favorite verse on 19-11. The way his tone comes in on that shit,

that's probably my favorite bleak verse ever. Yeah. That was a real situation. Like bleak was a standout on that shit to me like, oh, fuck, Bleak could. rap rap. Yeah, Bean's verse is crazy on that, though. But you expected that for Bean.

Bings are just talking in between. Yeah. No, Beans is the interlews. There's no version. Yeah. It's Jay Bleak and Freeway. And Freeway. Oh, so it might be Freeway.

Free one nuts, don't get me wrong. But I really think Bleaks first. Watch what you say out your mouth. Talking in the presence of hers. He wasn't even supposed to be on that record. Yeah. He wasn't supposed to be on the record. It was just supposed to be Jay and Bleak.

No. The craziest shit was they had to beat. Nah, J verse was crazy though. Yeah. Like the concept alone was just dope. Yeah. Now that I'm really like going through like the verses like Nah, Jay might have had the best verse on that shit.

They had to beat for months. Yeah. But couldn't figure out how to approach it. So they, but he was very adamant about, yo, don't sell it. Like we want it. Like for sure. So like for months and much. So if I'm like, listen, bro, the album got to be turned their money.

I don't give a fuck. What's your got going on? You know what I mean? So it was just one. night everybody's at the studio like everybody he's like meeting of the minds we got to get this done now and then beans came up with the concept and then everybody just thought building two and everybody did their verses simultaneously that night and it was like after bleak and jade did they verse they like no who else going to get what you got young free he was like I got something

yeah he was like wasn't planned though like he literally went in there and one take jake did and was like wow yeah yeah and that's what Yeah, FreeVirch was crazy on it. That's what boy. His tone, everything and his flow. It's top 10 posse cut. Oh, yeah, without a doubt. For sure.

I know you talked about rulers back and how that came together. All I need and Mama loves me. What was the process? Because Jay has always said that they did that shit in like a week. I'm glad you're asking that because this whole All I Need conversation has been retarded for no reasons for over 20 years. I had a group called Non Brigade signing electric records back in the day. I cut all I need on them first. But I also cut

light's camera action beat on them as well. Okay. Those were the two singles. That's wild. Yeah. I never knew the lights camera action shit. Right. Both of those records were their records first.

Yeah. But my star guy was murdered the week I was mixing. Now I got a chance to come out. The day I played hip-hop, all I need the first time, he tried to buy it from me from day one. And I was like, no. Like, I need this for my group.

So like, every time you ask me for it, It lets me know I need to keep it. That's exactly what my words to him. Like, every you, because he was very, Adam, like, yo, what's that with that record? And I was like, no, like, no. So when that shit happened, like, maybe a year or half later, I was like, you know, we can probably do something now.

But I gave the two guys that was in the group 7% of piece of publishing. Sona on the love. Oh, I mean, that's, yeah. And no disrespect to, was it Osceino that was telling that story? Yeah, about how it was stolen. I thought that was odd because the, the same group minus rest of peace did an interview and they was like,

nah, Jay, they gave us the pub on it. Like, what you're talking about somebody stole the record? Like, how can he just take your record?

Yeah. Like, how does that happen? Right. You know what I'm saying? So, but it's been, because the crazy shit was

when the shit first happened, somebody called me my phone like seven in the morning, 20 years ago. Mm-hmm. Accusing me to stealing their record from not.

Come to find out, this motherfucker's calling me from the radio station. Like on air? On air. Morning radio. 7 a. Yo. They're rolling out the bed. What the fuck is going on?

Yeah, bro. And I'm, you know, and I'm like, yeah, this is nuts. I'm like, yo, I did not have to include those guys. Right. That's a fact. I could have to do that. Yeah. But giving them the pub was a way of like, I know we was kind of attached to this record.

You know, let me make this right. Exactly. At least y'all would eat all. off of it. Like, yeah, so I understand that. And then for you to let this get out of hand this long, it's nuts. Yeah. Because you could have nipped us in the bud a long time ago.

Yeah. Yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was when Oskino said that, I went and looked and found the group saying that never happened. So I was confused by that entire thing. But the group wasn't denying it.

That's what gave it life. Got it. Okay. They could have set the record straight a long time ago, but click bait is a hell of a drug. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's like they just kept that shit going for no reason.

and it just kept resurfacing for signs just like, why does this shit keep coming up? Like, bro, I get y'all still eating up this record 20-something years later like what we're talking about. And again, no disrespect to Schino, like, you wouldn't know about that? That wouldn't, you're not on the song. Like, why would you know about the paperwork?

I don't know. Everybody knew about the paperwork, apparently. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and everybody knew everybody know everything. Everybody knew by the paperwork but me. Everybody know everything. You know what? You know what? Tap what?

Mama loves me, I feel like was probably since volume one like one of the more vulnerable Jay Outros. Were you there for the session when he did? Mama loves me? See, it's very rare that you catch Jay do a verse because he goes in,

he just go in the morning a lot of times, just knocks shit out. Yeah. Like, you been gave him the beat, like thing. But I did a lot of, stuff to the record after he finished. Like kitchen table joint. That's me beating

on the organ bench. The studio goes like I'm in the school because that's how I was in school. Like literally, that was my title in school. Nobody's going to freestyle. Let me beat on the table. They would come get me from wherever I was in the school. Like, yo, somebody about the battle. You come on. Okay, let's go.

Yeah. That's all. Devil in a new dress. I know the story. But how did that entire thing come together with my beautiful dark, dark twisted fantasy him being in Hawaii doing everything obviously you and Yea go back

to the late 90s listen bro my first met Yee yay yay always been a huge dreamer I gotta give him that like so he made me be a firm believer and just speaking things to the universe I think that's real

I really think that's some real shit because Jay had big plans for itself early you know what I'm saying And most people don't think that big at all. When you hear people thinking that big, they sound retarded. They sound crazy. Like, you just dude is nuts. But that's a dope way to be.

You know what I'm saying? But he used to catch, you know, he caught the bus to my crib in Jersey and, um, and rhyme for me and played me some beats. And that was the first time I heard of a producer. I was like, I actually impressed about how they was rapping like, wow, this dude can actually rap. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

So he used to ask me a lot of, you know, advice as far as like, adds shit to his music and certain beats. So that's why he ended up with my guitar player on Bonnie and Clyde and, you know, saying shit like that all falls down. That's my guitar player that I put on and shit, you know, an engineer, shit like that. So you see, you know, I asked me for like a little guidance and shit early on. But his vision has always been his vision. Yeah. And I'm saying?

It wouldn't be a blueprint without yay because he, Jay won the studio on a Saturday with Kanye B-CD did five songs. Mm-hmm. Blueprint was born. Yeah. Then they just thought I had all the records to it. Yeah, I remember the first time I was at Baseline and met Kanye. I always tell the story. It's just his style.

His fashion was just so different from how everybody else was. Crepe. Yeah, like, and then he had, like, he was wearing, like, motorcycle leather jackets and Durango boots and jeans. And, you know, he was like in the front room and the pool room. And we in the back, and we listened to the beats, I think State Property was probably recording some shit. Or Beans was recording some shit. And we listened to them.

Who that? Like, yo, that's homie in the front. Like, that's... With Durango's on? With Durangles on? That's it. All this shit. They're like, yeah, nah, he from Chicago.

He just moved out of here. And then I remember we all went in the front. It was like, yo, that shit is all. He was like, yo, good look. And then that's Kanye. Like, I very really remember that moment. Like, because it was like, I just thought this was a guy. I thought he worked that baseline.

Like, he was somebody that just worked at the studio. No, he was like, nah, that's all his shit. They playing back there. I was like, what? Like, icon chilling. Yeah, he did, but he, aesthetically how everybody else looked that was at baseline and that was, you know. Like he might have been a runner to go get food or something. It looked like he just like he literally worked at the studio.

And they was like, nah, that's him making all this shit. And I was like, damn, like, yo, he's dope. And they was like, and he raps. Yeah, that part. But it was always a mutual respect between the two of us. I always respect what he had. I love, I love anybody that have their own thing. Yeah.

I can't stand by this. you know this shit out me. Authenticity. I can't stand a copycat. Get the fuck around me. Like, I don't even want you in my session. Yeah. Real shit.

Yeah. Because they will take your shit. It's not a question. It's when they're going to take it? It's when? They're going to take it. Yeah, they're going to ask. They're a good idea in your spot.

Oh, they're going to get you. Yeah. Absolutely. And then see, like, what's up? Yeah. Like, what's up? Like, bro. So what's the song that's thing.

Like, what you mean? I know you heard that in my session. Come on, brother. Yeah. When you sent Kanye their pack that had Devil in New Dress in it, how many did you send them? Five. I never sent one in five.

Okay. Did any of those five make it, I'm sorry, any of those four make it elsewhere? Yeah. The other one went to John Legend, who do we think we are. Okay. Oh, okay.

Here. Other one went to Fat Joe, Pride, and Joy. Okay. Which was supposed to be Push a single. Interesting. Wow. Yeah. push with it something crazy on that.

Supposed to be a single. It wouldn't, Kanye wouldn't have been on Pride and Joy had it not been for me. Yeah. I don't know. It was his shit first, yeah. Had it not been for me, Fed Joe and the Kanye situation would never happen.

Because when they called, I'm like, yo, they're just gone. They're like, what you mean? I'm like, bro, I got, I had this beat for two years. Myfucker, you know it's going to be the singer. You should have called me and said something. Yeah.

I said, this shit gone. Like, who got it? I'm like, Fat Joe got it. I would call and see if you want to know if you want to sell it I said cool so calling for a joke like yo tell them give me a verse now sell it

I told yeah I'm cool I'm cool I'm cool so I'm like cool so I'm like so I guess they were still playing to push a record at the studio

they're coming back again like yo man we need that record back man yeah like listen bro I'm tired of me in the middle so I'm gonna put you up with me and Macho, Mancho was Fadjo guy at a time. And I said, we'll just put y'all together. So the agreement was they're going to meet up. Whoever got the best version, that's the version they're going to go with. So that's how pushing them end up on a remix and all that type of shit.

Oh, okay. So that's how that whole thing went down. That makes sense. Okay. I can separate. Oh, and Jay Z interview was up there for Hit Boy. Well, hit boy, hit boy shit, yeah. That's, you know, yeah, you smoke that shit.

And I love that hit boy said, Bink on the beat to begin with, because we all would assume that was a hit boy beat at the time. Yeah. That was a solid thing that he did. Now it was his first one off the porch. Oh, yeah. But we was also like, oh, hit boy about to be calling you. He could rap this way?

He just. And, mind you, I think hit boy's gotten better as a rapper. Oh, absolutely. Like, hit boy is nice. He just hit me other night. It was like, yo, I got a beat from you in 2011. Is it still available? I'm like, yeah.

It actually was, though. I was like you. Yeah. You, yeah. Shit there. I can separate goofy shit. from music because I care too much about music.

Santorini Greece, Scientology, rather you than me is one of my favorite Ross albums. And I still feel like even though I think Ross is a goofy human being, a joint album, I've said either Justice League

or Bink needs to do the joint Ross album. Did the relationship with Ross come from Devil in a New Dress and that whole Kanye era? Or y'all had a relationship before? I knew Ross before Ross was Ross. Okay. Ross was a star when he was a correctional officer. He was a starving artist on slip and slide.

Records. Mm-hmm. What I'm saying? I don't think they had any intention on putting them out at all. You know what I mean? He was doing a lot of writing for Trina at that time. So I was working with Angie Martinez. We flew out of Miami, court with her, and we hired Ross to write for Angie. So while I'm working with Angie, I'm like, dude, this is my first. fucking dope. Like, he could really,

you would think a chick wrote this shit. Like, he was really, like, killing it. So I'm like, yo. Because he's gay like that. So I gave him my, uh, I gave my info and, you know, we kind of exchanged numbers from there. And, um, after that situation,

he came out to Jersey, him and gunplay, drove to my crib. Mm. From Miami twice. And he was going to see French. I think cocaine cowboys was going at that time. Mm-hmm. DVD shit.

Yeah. And, um, yeah, we did like nine records, and then they called me with hustling and I remember calling the program directed in Virginia on three-way and sending to him email that same conversation they blast his record off from that day on he got a record there and never called me

ever again he did a whole album never called so then how did y'all reconnect to do rather you than me at the years of the same shit but he finally came back and that's the first time I actually sat in with him

Like I stayed his crib in Atlanta for like weeks And curate that shit That's why it sounded I mean it's one of my favorite Rural albums by far That shit is a classic album to me That's why it came out like it came out But he took off some records, brother

It was insane that I did Which end up going to Fabulous Which joints? Too late It's a record I did with Faber's called too late Yeah, I know too late Which was the same beat That Biggs was talking about

That J-Had for 4-4. Wait, so Jay had that for 4-44. They're too late. Interesting. And Ross did the record called Knights Williore. Gosh.

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or wherever you listen to your podcasts. All right, with that said, I don't know if Jay is working on music at all. I can only speculate that Mall does hold things down. I really don't know. Would you want to work? with Jay again or just that whole team at this point? Because I think what he did with No ID was incredible. And I think Jay just being around the early sounds makes the most sense for hip hop to age the way it should age with somebody at his, where he's at in his career.

Would you sit with Jay and do something now? Fucking right. Okay. Now, Bing, you know, I love you to death. I never know what time you're at all. on with everybody over there. I'm a fan. Let me tell you.

Let me set the record straight with that shit too. I don't have the energy to just hate people. If I don't like you, you did something to earn me not to fucking like you. Yeah. I ain't got time just not be liking people. Who the fuck? I don't think about you enough to even allow that, you had that type of space in my head. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, I don't really give a fuck about you. But if I don't like you, you done something or that person did something. Okay. And every time I was told somebody, somebody was a piece of shit, he always come back and be like you is right oh gee mm-hmm season people always come off to be what's you call

disgruntled that's what they always say you think but you've been through everything yeah it's like a season linebacker you've seen every play I see the play developing now I'm like come on bro really you really gonna try to get me this session don't pay me like come on money I get no yeah you know what I'm saying like that type of shit and that's what annoys people

because when you're about your business and you set boundaries people don't like them you set boundaries, bro. Yeah. They hate that shit. No, that's the fact. What did you think of Jay's freestyle at the Roos Pignant? As someone that was around for some of the stuff that he was addressing to the people that he was addressing. I mean, he hit him with the Summer Jam shit.

It's the same. He's not going to give you a whole song, but he had absolutely give you a gumbo verse and threw everybody in that bitch and shoot her by the same time. I'm going to dress everything at one time. One time. Yeah. Get you out of here. Yeah.

That's classic, Jay. How have you felt about the Jay and Dame? I don't want to say back and forth because Jay only said, you know, half a line in that. But Dame just being on all these interviews the past few years. And I'm asking because you was there. I wasn't there between their relationship and that fallout. Unfortunately for me, I built a studio on my crib, so I wouldn't even have to be in the mix like that. I get it.

You did? So I missed out on a lot of that bullshit. Thank God. You know what I'm saying? But it's unfortunate to see somebody to build something that big and that amazing, but can't, you know, keep it together. Because obviously it's like Voltron ain't Voltron all the pieces.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And Dane, whether you like, love them, hate them, whatever we want to say about him, he know what the fuck you're doing. You can't make a Rockefeller label like that. not know what you're doing. Oh, I agree.

No, I agree with that. You know what I'm saying? You meant that like him. In the same episode, I've been critical of Deng for the first time, but not, you can't do that without Dane. You can't take that from him. You know what I'm saying? Hell no.

Nobody ever has. Like, even in Jay's rock and roll induction, he, think Dane. He said, even though we've had our differences, bro, we could never do this shit without you. Yeah, you can't, you can't help that. No, I don't think anyone would ever dispute that that that would happen without Dane. But that's the very thing people hold. on to discredit him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I see. It's like people hold on to his character, flaws allegedly, to keep the hate going for him. But you can't take history from none of us, whether you're like, I could love it. Like, we did it. It was done.

You can't change it. Right. You know what I mean? Type shit. No, I hear that. I mean, how do you even look at that era and how everything has changed, even down to like the,

Rockefeller tree where everything is falling. Even when your brother did the shirts that had everybody through everything, do you look at that and kind of feel like y'all defined everything and specifically even 01? Because that tree and that sound that you, and I also say just,

that thing, like that changed that tree. When you even get down to show on good music, everything, I think everything falls on y'all's snare. at the end of the day. Just the music. As much as it's Jay, Biggs, Dame at the top of that tree, because I'm a nerd, I would have at least the back of the shirt to have the producers. Like, I feel like a lot of y'all, y'all sound changed even what Rihanna did.

Like, Rihanna's on that tree. But if you go through Anta, I could find Bink Snares in Anta. Yeah, I mean, working with the number one artist is a blessing and the curse. Because what it does is it makes everybody gun for your sound. Yeah. So what was producer for Drake? Just and believe every producer across the country is trying to sound like you. That's just how it goes.

You know what I'm saying? But at least the producer can know that he's doing that. That's their problem now. These kids are claiming things to be theirs. They belong to somebody else. You can't take somebody else's signature anything and make a choice. It doesn't work like that.

You know what I'm saying? Once you take that signature, you automatically are going to sound like them. Right. That's what made you love him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So why would you take the very thing

that made you love him that made him stick out? Right. And then you can make that chores. And that people would be like, oh, that sounds like, like those boss man, Dilo can. Come on, bro. Yeah.

It was a moment. It was a moment. It changed up the palette for the palette for a minute. I was like, thank God. Oh, finally somebody trying something different. thing. Glorilla. I saw a fellow

about Gloria. Like, oh my God, thank you. Somebody's trying some shit. You know what I'm saying? It's just,

everybody's just on copy paste. Yeah. Some of the producers that you, I have hit boy as one of the top four producers right now

to me. I think that his, you know, his range, the type of artist that he can produce for in the different sounds that he can deliver

to each artist. He's one of my all-time favorites but who are some of the guys that you listen to now you like I like what he's doing um fuck this this kid that produced on um lucky days hour dope as shit demile he did uh that's you demile is one of the greatest producers shout at demile i never met before dem is one of them he also he he works with bruno as well um but i mean he he started well not I started with Lucky, but he's been working with Lucky since Inception.

Yeah. But yeah, DeMile works with Bruno. D. Mile is... He gets it. No, he's one of them. He gets it. You know what I'm saying? So I love people like that with that type of skill set.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I like London on the track, too. London is far. I like London. And no disrespect to Summer whatsoever. I like her last album, but you see the difference. And I know there's personal stuff there because they dated with it.

but you could just see the difference when London is. And I mean that in a good way towards both of them. Think about this, bro. Any producer-autist duo you can name, don't fuck with each other today. Producer-un-a-na-clipped-clipped for real. That's, how many did you think of, though, before you said that? And they took a break.

Yeah. It was a super hiatus with them. Not saying it was beef, but it was a big brick. Yeah. But I don't know. Is that just based off being around somebody for, 30 years and you just start to get I do that with my family

for some reason bro artists come out they're super hungry in the beginning and very show you a lot of gratitude but once the stardom comes in the fame comes in now is fuck you I did this so they think they can go to anybody

and get the chemistry they was getting with the person that gave them the special shit and you can't do it you get close but you there's a reason why y'all did what y'all did But even like, that's why I love, bro, let's say, I love future just based on how he does.

Metro, bro. That's some rare shit to have a rapper back you in that way. Come on, bro. They're not going to do it. The jealousy is too real. I promise you,

you've never seen that type of support. As an art, he went on tour with Metro as a fucking artist, bro. He didn't fight him one bit. Like, bro, I got. I got you. Whatever you fucking try to do.

They don't, that shit is rare. Yeah. That is, that you, right, the love is rarely reciprocated. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And future is special. Like, tilt my head.

Future tilt my head to you, like, you are a model citizen for artists when they're going to produce a relations. No, and I'm glad you brought that up because he did the same thing with Esco. His DJ, who was a great producer. Future in Esco is just as good as future in Metro, if you get down to the B stuff. And, um, Gucci. Uh, why am I blanking? the producer.

Oh yeah, from my, yeah. Pardon my, my northern brain right now. Zaytovin? Yeah, Zaytova. Like,

yeah, they've always stuck that way. I don't know, but like, I feel like even like with Tribe, I don't know, Q-Tip and Fife

went to fucking middle school together. Like sometimes I think it's just like family shit at the end of the day. But according to the documentary, it was like, rest of piece of Fipe, but it was like

Fife wanted to have all this input on the curate for the album like this is that's not what you've been doing right so now i suppose just let you do that yeah like bro i've curated midnight marauders yeah chill out you got to yeah recipes to five even before a fight passed yeah jerobie to fife ali all them even after that they blamed that on michael rapporte like the way he edited that whole shit yeah yeah of course they had discrepancies but the way that shit was edited it looked like they really each other.

Yeah. And it was like, nah, that's not really what it is at all. It's just how they, like, put the edit together.

That's that bullshit. Like a rapper poor, do better. I'm happy, I'm happy that, uh, tricky,

trick, and, uh, the dream got back together for this next project. See what I'm saying? Yeah. I was so,

I was so happy to hear that. What happens is they go, they go, they leave you and think they can do with anybody. Then you got to get all these else. Yeah. Just to figure out,

man, damn, let me call my, go back to that nucleus. Let me just go back to my guy. Yeah. Let me fix that. Yeah, it's a real thing, no.

Like, you know, because I think we come to, even with, how you said, was Summer and London, obviously, you know, they had personal things that caused that, you know, to split. But, like, Summer's first album was so incredible. And obviously, London's DNA is a major part of that. So now people are searching for that. The second album, too, they broke up. But he still did the whole album when they broke up. Exactly.

So people are still searching for that vibe and that energy. and anything that she does moving So someone, you need to go ahead and tell all your new future boyfriends, listen, regardless of me and you doing, London is doing my music. Yeah, we should just call co-parenting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, we co-parenting.

He's in. Co-producing. London's in. Co-labbing. Yeah, co-labbing. That's what we're doing. Co-labbing. We co-labbing.

Yeah, for sure. Before we let you go, do you have any Aaliyah stories? the Leah. Oh, man. I did one record with Alia with Missy called Been Around the World. Mm.

And now it came out. But man, when I tell you she was... You can find it on YouTube. Huh? I think you could find it on YouTube. For real? Yeah.

I'm going to look for that shit. But she was a beautiful soul, bro. Yes, indeed. Like real shit. A lot of people don't know Free was supposed to be on that plane, too. Mm-hmm. That was my girl at the time.

Yeah. she was supposed to be on the plane. She asked free to go. And she didn't go last minute. But her energy was just so crazy, man. She was just an angel, like real shit, good people, man. Like, it killed everybody. I remember when it happened, the two ways were out.

And we were, I think we were in Anaheim doing something. I remember I opened my two-way, and I seen it, and I just closed it. And I just looked around the room. And I just saw everybody like, everybody, like, looking down. I was like, ah, shit. Yeah. It's real. So that's a bad, bad time of music for sure.

Yeah, that was. Horrible. That was tough. That was tough. We was in, spoke about this before, we was in the Hamptons at the house that they, that my brother and Dame and them used to have every summer. And it was crazy because when we was there, it was like, Alia was there the weekend or two weeks before that with Dame. So some of her sneakers was there, toilet trees, lotions and everything, was. in the room. So it was like, you know, when we got that call, that was, you know, yeah,

that was one of the craziest, eeriest times ever. For sure, the crazy thing. It kind of knocked the air out of everybody. I might have been the only nigga that used to joke Dane back in the day. Yeah. And the last time I seen Dane, he was him and the live together, me and Free was together. And there was a studio downtown. And it was like, yo, I ain't going to joke you because you was your girlfriend. You were with your girl.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I say. Oh, it's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same shit is steak right there. But yeah, it was like, it was a great time. We had a bar in the studio back of the day. Beautiful, man.

Bink, I enjoy this peaceful spirit that you have right now. Yeah, man. No, I know. I think it's great. Hey, man. I think people have a misconstrued of who you are. Because you and I speak a lot. And every time people bring you up on the internet,

I'm like, that's not who Bink is whatsoever. Yeah. So I'm just a happy death life. I'm not uncle to tell you what it is. If you don't want to know, don't ask me. Right. Ain't that wrong with that? Don't ask me if you really don't want to know.

You know what I'm saying? But I'm not going, you know, pussyfoot around for you to make you feel comfortable. Like, no, I'm going to get to you. Yeah. But other than that, I stay in my lane. I stay in my life. Yeah.

And I just think the internet ran with a narrative of you that I've always found completely untrue. Because I know you for real, like, and it's never been that way. And that's another thing. Once you get to this part of your life right here, what people think of you, you don't give a fuck. man it's not my job to correct these whole ass niggas niggas, you know what I'm saying?

So I just let them think what they want to think I know who I am and people who fuck with me, fuck with me, know who I am as well. You know what I'm saying? Other than that, if somebody tell you I'm an asshole, I don't like them. Yeah, right. It's a great chance of that.

I just don't fuck with them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because if I think if you're treated by family, what makes it special? Right. Yeah. Because even after like getting to know you,

we did business together. And I was like, that was the easiest shit ever? Easiest fault. Easiest fault, right? Yo, I said it until you're like, damn, okay. I got to hit the session, bro. You're like, okay. I just think all of us been through the ringing with bullshit.

Yeah. I'm of the belief we could do good. It's easy to do good business. It's people that make the shit difficult for no reason. Here's the money. Here's the session. And we're done. Rest the prasper.

And that's the thing. People come to me all the time without them bread. Right, right, right. What do I suppose to do it now? And to me, I would never approach without some bread. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

We ain't paying none of the producers yet. Look, I'm not here representing the rest of the producers. Right, right, right. I won't tell him you pay me. I promise you. I won't tell them you pay me. Right. You're between me and a year.

Yeah, yeah. But that's the game. Yeah. As long as you're not asking for you, what they do. I don't know. I just don't move. When I have a budget and when I'm co-producing, producing whatever, I want a Bing beat.

I hit Big. I said, this is the price I got and this is what it is. I'll send it to you right now. Right. Bet, here we go. The way it should go. And did the beat on the spot for him. Like literally, I curated one like that in the next few hours and sent it back to him.

That's the reason joined. Yeah. Yeah. That shit. It was the reason. I heard from you since. Reason would love a fucking big piece. Would you crazy?

I heard from you since. Reason what's up with you? Yeah. No, reason with. Put that up to me to send it to just the reason specifically. Yeah. I mean, for real, for real. I am desperately trying to find somebody to do an EP with.

Oh, Reason would do a EP with you in a heartbeat? I told you I want to do something. with Nick, with Nick Grant. I called you about that one. Let's talk. I'm open. I'm open. Yeah, no.

He is? Yeah, he on his way. Yeah. No, Nick and you would go fucking. I'm away from. Yeah, I was terrified because I just, like, got to know, Ben, we, we cool. But I had sent

what the beat that he did for the reason shit, I sent to my man Coleman, because I wanted keys on the shit. And you had called me and I was like, I, I hit you right back. Because I thought you was about to curse me out because you text me and said, yo, who put keys on this shit?

I was like, yeah, at my man Coleman do it, I thought you was gonna scream at me. And you said, yo, can I sign that kid? Yeah. Listen, if it's right, I got nothing to say, I'm not a hater. My dude, that's the people trying to make me, I'm far from a hater. I didn't think it was a hater. Yeah.

No, no, I'm saying about, I just know how, like, particularly you are about your shit. But the shit, I would have been a dick here to say, yo, take that shit off. That's just sounding great. That's just something amazing. Yeah. No, when you sent me those drums that, I was like, oh, I need Coleman to just go nuts on the done. And I'm like, like I said, I ain't going to fight nothing if it's real.

Right. I never liked the breakdown on devil in New Jersey. That's honest, God. Okay. You don't like that breakdown? Never liked it. Unseason chicken to me. Really?

Unseason chicken. Well, that's the lack of melanin to me. I'm unseasoned chicken. I like the breakdown. I hate that breakdown. I think, well, I think it just let the guitar breathe a bit off the breakdown. I finally just like it's like when you lower everything. It just let that shit be the top.

Matter of fact, this is a camera right here? I got the Pro 2 session to devil a new dress now. And I finally seen how you butcher my shit, Mike. Finally seen it for myself. God don't like ugly. Butcheting my shit, God, I couldn't believe it. I was like, damn, this will happen. I got you.

Yeah. Yeah. Got the evidence now. Yo, Bank, man. I'm looking forward to more music from you, man. one of one of my personal favorite producers ever. Hey man, I appreciate you. Come on now. Yeah, man. I sent him music.

Yeah. I only sent him and his brother music. Yeah. I definitely got some music from banking my phone. Biggs is the connection to me and Jay. Yeah. Somebody sent me the Nas Echo original Bink beat. I'm not going to say who sent it to me. But I leaked that shit. I put that on Twitter. Yes.

That was out my way trying to get it, Nog. Yeah. I was like, yeah. Bro, I couldn't work with Nause back then because of the J shit. Okay, yeah. I'm like, yo, I'm not that type of dude. I'm not going to go do a nods, beat and then come to say, what's up, Jay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Scratch did his thing.

Like, I love Echo, but your version of Echo is fucking nuts. Like, yeah, your version of Echo is crazy. Sax player, the whole shit. Yeah. Bink the Humble Monster. Yo, Bing, listen, man, we appreciate you pulling up. Next time you, New York, come by, talk some more shit with us, man. Always.

That's Bing the Humble Monster. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. It's that time to put on. your jersey and wave your flag, whoever you root for. Why do I watch the World Cup? That's like asking me, why do I breed?

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