New Rory & MAL - Episode 504 | Akon

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

The gang is back after a hectic weekend, with the Knicks taking Game 2 in San Antonio, and Baby D turning up Burgers & Bottles. The guys prepare as Trump takes over Manhattan for Game 3 at Madison Square Garden, and Jalen Brunson and Co. look to go up 3-0 on the Spurs. Mal goes viral over the weekend for his take on the Griselda situation, as Westside Gunn reacted, and Jadakiss also addresses 38 Spesh calling him out on our last episode. An XXL “rappers sex survey” resurfaces from 2004, with some questionable inquiries for some of our favorite rappers. The legendary Akon stops by on the second half of the pod to chop it up with the guys, speaking on tour life with Ne-Yo and his girlfriends, AI creating music, and much more! We are also giving away 3 pairs of tickets to Nas’ World Cup concert in Queens on Friday (June 12), so go to our Instagram to see how you can enter to win a pair! All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-forever Bask & Lather: Use code RORYANDMAL for 20% offSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Everything here is spontaneous, real, and genuine. Just honest conversations about what it means to be alive. I'm Javier Tornandez and listen to Learning to Be Human on IHard Radio, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcast. Welcome back. Top of the Week. Monday. Nixon 4. Is that like your own air? Is that your on air voice?

Yeah. He does do that. I'm getting, I'm getting, you know. He turns it to like, that's like your. Welcome back. That's your broadcast. That's my radio. That's your broadcast cadence right there.

Pretty much. Broadcast to the people, Rory. Ma, I went to college for communications degree that I didn't get. Of course. Of course you did. I'm a trained journalist in this game. You are. You are. You're a journalist.

I'm official. Yes. But what's up, man? Nix. By the time you're hearing this, you know the results of game three. So I'm excited that we're going to get this suite. The city is buzzing. Donnie.

Shut the city down. The Don. Let's make predictions. Even though they know the outcome as they're listening to this, let's make predictions. Is Trump going to be courtside or in the suite? He's absolutely going to be courtside. Trump has always been courtside whenever he's going to Nick Game. He hasn't been in a while, but.

Has he been to a Nick Game since he's been president? No. Okay. No, he hasn't been, I think, almost 10 years. So that's right around the time. He was president, but almost a little over eight years ago. My first guess was sweet, but he has been ringside at wrestling in MMA. ringside UFC, yep.

So, I mean, I could see it, but I feel like if they put him on the Jumbotron, it's going to be a lot of booze, and he's way too insecure for that. So, I don't know. Maybe you'll just see his silhouette in a suite. I think it's going to be a heavy capitalist crowd at the guard tonight.

$7,000 tickets. Cause a lot of money to get it. I can promise you, those people don't like paying taxes. Yeah, but a lot of the, in New York City, a lot of those capitalists, they're like closet Republicans. Because in New York, you have to be like front facing Democrat for the most parts. The better question is, do we think any of the players will shake his hand?

No. Mitchell Robinson? He's from the South. Wait, Mitch is a big Maca guy? I never knew that. That makes sense. Every play in the NBA is a big Republican. What do we be talking about?

You could be a Republican and not a Trump fan. I don't know. I don't know if that's... I don't know anymore these days, DeMaris. I think he's like... He's like gang gang for the Republicans. He's like head Republican. No, there's definitely a split in the Republican Party right now.

Yeah? For sure. It's always a split somewhere, but... Well, I mean, they were a unit. That's why they kept smoking the left because the left was so divided. Now, now they... They in the thick of it.

Big Don! He got New York City in the frenzy right now. You can't go nowhere near Madison Square Garden if you ain't got a ticket. You can't bring no bag. BD, you couldn't get it. No, you couldn't get close to Madison with God with that bag. You'd be walking around with it. They're to tackle your ass so fast. Hey, man, you know, and you know I got it on me.

So they put these gates all the way around the garden. And my guess is if Dolan had his way, he would keep these up 365 days. I think Dolan's been wanting to do this forever. And it's going to try to find a way to keep them there. Why? Because he's Dolan. Listen, just because the Knicks are doing good and we finally have a squad and it looks like the front office gives a fuck about us.

Let's not remember who Dolan is at his core. Nobody likes Don't. True. He hates us. So yes, I think he would absolutely love to have a gate around Madison Square. Dolan, Dolan mad. Dolan mad day in the finals. I got to go.

But like no political shit whatsoever. I do hate this move by Trump. Nothing to do with politics. I just think it fucks with the energy of the city. I mean, even when the Knicks are away, everyone's around the garden, watching the game. I'm like, it's a, it fucks with the vibe. It's going to take three hours to get in the arena.

You wouldn't have said that if Obama was going. You would have been in here hype trying to get his playlist. You'd have been trying to make, trying to get your song on his playlist. You'd have been doing all types of things. No, no, that's really, it's not a political thing. Obama, Bush, Trump, anyone that would make this about them when we're finally in the finals now, I would not. I would not like that. The Obamas have said plenty of times that they would avoid going to certain things that they would have loved to attend

because it's going to make it uncomfortable for everybody to fuck it. Yeah, and it's not like MetLife where there's space. Like, we're talking about Midtown Manhattan when the Knicks have not been in the finals and got no so long. No, I don't want the most famous president of all time to be courts up. You fucking up. Like, all the restaurants and all the restaurants on the bar. Obama is going to like NBA games, though?

Yeah, but it's not the finals first, first finals game in Knicks decades. The president is a New Yorker. He's from your borough. I'm not saying he can't be a Knicks fan. And it's, yeah, it's funny to be a Knicks fan. but I feel like as the president, the things you should be doing should be for the good of the people.

Sometimes you have to make sacrifices. Like that comes with not even just being president with any big, big celebrity. There's certain things that they just can't do that they would love to because it's going to cause a frenzy and make it uncomfortable for the general public. The general public already can't afford the fucking tickets

because of the economic system, whatever. But then now they can't even do what they've been doing with the energy, their watch parties outside. They can't even do that because, I want to go to the game. Like you're the fucking president. Like just say, say home.

It's okay. If he was a real Knicks fan, he would have went to the San Antonio game and fuck that up. Like, fuck their fans up. Don't fuck us up. That would have been lit. If you're a Knicks fan, go to game one or two and fuck with them. Leave us alone. Part of the entire Knicks aura is the fans.

And you're ruining the fan experience inside and outside. That's all. Yeah. I get being a fan, but it's selfish. It sucks sometimes when you got a sacrifice, but sometimes you got a sacrifice. You should. And I think it's going to fuck with the players a little bit. I'm sure their family is going to have tough time coming in.

Like it just fucks me. You have to, they have to be there eight out. I'm sure they're already there. Trump's already there. So it's like, yeah, I think it fucks with their pregame stuff. And it's two hours. Like, when I saw it, it says, oh, come two hours before tip off. Like, that's old.

Like, you should have did that anyway. Whether Trump was going or not. The first finals game in the garden in 27 years, you should probably get there two hours before. Start. That's just, I mean. I mean, it's the finals. Yeah. That should have been mandatory anyway, Trump or not.

You shouldn't be getting there tip off as 840. You should not be arriving to the garden at 8, 8 o'clock trying to get in. Like, no. And we do need to get to the bottom of which one of you New Yorkers gave Webiniana the key to the secret garden shit in, what park is that? Gramacy. He's in there doing sketches and shit. Which one of y'all tried to make it comfortable for Webiniana in our city? Like we need to find that New Yorker

and we're gonna. Is that not his name? No. What's his name? Wabagnana. Webiny? I don't know. I say yada too.

My man, Vic. How about that? How do you say his name? Winbaniamma. Okay. Well, that guy. Yeah. I don't want to see him sketching.

Oh, Wimby. Yeah, Wemby. I'll go with that. Being that tall and being cute and having dimples is just like, where the fuck did they make you in a fuck? fucking lab. And a talented artist. He's French, man.

French people love to draw. That motherfucker is not real. He's not real. I can't wait for us to just win this finals because I do like that Spurs team a lot. And I do want to root for them, just not now. Yeah. I think they're a great team. I can't wait to see.

They'll have some years. They'll have some years to get a ring, but not this shit. I like all their guards. Like, if we weren't in the finals, that would be a team. I would definitely support. But you guys know the results now, which is we're up 3-0. And also, we're sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited Talk Text and Data. Only people that are going to have service in the garden.

That's a fat. Can we legally say that? No. Maul, you seem to get the internet moving over the weekend. Did I? I was talking with beach. Podcasting and social media has gone completely off the rails. I'm, I can't believe that I'm still surprised at the things that go viral.

in the reaction that people do have. I shouldn't be shocked anymore, but it still shocks me with certain stuff. Conway put out a freestyle where he did not only suggest. He said that he went to a dinner with Hove, and Hove told him, hey, you and Benny should get a piece of Grisilda, which did not happen.

And then Maul repeated what Conway had already wrapped, and it put the internet upside down for some weird reason. I even called Mall to try to make sense of it because I thought maybe I missed something. I don't know, man. I don't know anymore. West Side Gun replied, everybody wants to go viral so bad.

Shit is disgusting, laugh emoji. This podcast has always been a huge West Side Gun supporter. I fuck with Wes. I just don't really... He knows Maul. And Maul was the first person in media to even talk about Griselda. Not only for West,

but when they launched Benny's career, Maul was the first one. Conway, Maul was the first one. I think the biggest supporter of Griselda in media history would be Maul. So for Wes to even think that Maul would just try to go viral and disgusting, I thought it was a little off-putting.

And I know Wes. I wouldn't say like we're friends per se, but I've known Wes for a long time. We've had a lot of conversations. I think Wes is a good dude. Yeah. And I'm always here to support, Wes. I just found that odd because he knows who you are for the last decade

in how much support you've given that whole crew. Like what type of, what's disgusting about breaking down the bars that Conway said? I don't know, man. I don't know anymore. But I mean, everybody in this room that knows me, y'all know. When you say, I don't even know what goes viral. Y'all call me and tell me when shit is going viral. So me trying to go viral or wanting to go viral is.

that's not in my thoughts at all. Now, we say to some times, and we're like, okay, yeah, that, you know, people might enjoy that conversation, but to say that everybody want to go viral, talking about me wanting to go viral, like, come on, man. Like, I think people that know me, well, I know that people that know me know me no better than that. I'm never trying to go viral. Like, but, I mean, I get it.

I understand West felt away about the clip. I was just going through bars just like we go through anybody else's bars when they say certain things that might perk our ears up like, who was he talking? We spent the last two and a half years combing through every fucking freestyle and record and all kind of shit. So, you know, naturally if my guy Conway puts out something that he's speaking about certain things, we're going to talk about it. So, you know, I can understand, you know, West feeling some type of way about, you know,

talking about it or breaking it down. And you add in context something everyone else was talking about, especially for Zelda fans. and it's information that you've known and never said until they said it. So it's like it's not like they didn't say anything. Like you came out and said some shit. Like you've known shit and never said it because they didn't say it. That was the thing.

That was the only issue I had with that. Like you know how much shit I know that I don't speak about. Like if I really wanted to go viral, like I can say some shit right now, walk off this camera. This will be the end of the episode and it will shake the entire industry up if niggas really wanted to go viral. I'm not trying to do that. Like I don't.

And this is always, it always go back to this. I don't care about. what niggas got going on enough to be trying to go viral. Like, I don't care about what niggas is doing. But if you put something out there, I have a platform. I'm going to talk about it. We're going to go through with the bars and what you're saying and what it's about. Like, we always have.

But, I mean, West know, man. West know it's nothing but love and support for me. And I spoke to Benny. I spoke to Conway over the weekend. And, you know, they both know where I stand. And me and Conway had a very good conversation. was very a lot of a lot of laughs can you tell us what he says so that we could go viral if I were to tell you what he said we would go viral but no I'm not I'm not I'm not

doing that man I'm not trying to I'm not trying to you know people on the comments mall's a messy bitch I'm a messy bitch like if they just knew what I knew and how long I knew shit like and I'm not speaking like you know This would salute me a little more like, damn, you held that down. Yeah. But, I mean, I get it. I understand Wes is, you know, I get what he's saying, but he, Wes, cut it out. I'm never trying to go viral.

That's not me. I don't even be on social media enough to try to go viral. Yes, if my platform for clip goes viral, so be it, we sit here all the time. We don't know what's going to go viral. As a producer, I try to get you to say things all the time for the good of the show and you don't. You keep your mouth shut out of a lot, even when we try to drag it out of you. Yeah, man. I'm not that guy, man.

I'm not trying to go viral. I don't mean, sometimes I might say shit and it goes viral. So be it, I wasn't trying to go viral. But, you know, it is what it is. But I spoke to, Benny, spoke to Conway. They know what it is. You know, they know it's all love and nothing but respect. And I'm definitely not trying to put a wedge in between Grisela or anything like that.

I'm speaking about bars that. No, Kov already did that. I'm speaking about bars that Conway put out there dissecting the bars, talking about the bars. That's all that was. But I'm hearing that, you know. Things are, things are, things are in a better space for, for the fellas, for, for Griselda these days. So looking forward to to them, you know, getting the studio, possibly putting out some music together. Yeah.

And getting that feel back. But yeah, man, you know, it is what it is. But definitely not trying to go viral west. Cut it out, man. I saw Twitter account, like, Twitter accounts that I fuck with, that I don't know these people, but I fuck with their accounts. They post cool music shit saying nobody knew who Conway was talking about to Moss, I said that, all right, we're in the Matrix at this point. Everybody knew Conway was talking about Griselda.

Who didn't know that was about Wes and Benny? I don't know. Who else has he had a business relationship with that's also his brother? Because he said his brother. Not only that. And had at a meeting with Jay. Who else could that have been? I don't know, man.

You know, it is what it is. But I hope you and Wes end up talking. I know he's overseas doing shows, but just, Because I know y'all relationship over the years. And I hope you guys to get on the phone. Like, Wes is my nigga, man. He knows what it is, man. Wes, no, I ain't trying to.

He know I'm the last nigga trying to go viral. Like, I'm not doing that. But, you know, I get it. You know, the clip went viral and, you know, he felt some type of way about it. And I get that. But Wes know what it is with me. He knows nothing but love and support. And I'm trying.

I want them niggas to do, you know, major shit. And I've been supporting Griselda, Paul's longer. and louder and stronger than a lot of niggas in this space. So definitely not trying to cause a division. Only trying to shed light on what's going on. And hopefully, you know, those guys are, you know, they're family. So there's always going to be love between them. But hopefully the business relationship is in a better space, which I think it is.

And I want to make clear, I don't think this, but one could make a case that West tries to go viral on Twitter. Oh, I mean, Wes will let you know. He, he, he, West will let you know that. tweets. And by the way, there's also nothing wrong with trying to go viral does and should have a negative connotation because usually people do it for clown shit. But there is also, you still do have to market your music and your albums. And West does an incredible job of that. But he's trying to go viral. I'm not saying in a bad way. He's trying to sell music and he wants to get as many eyes as possible. And what works is sometimes saying some shit that people are going to disagree with.

Or talking yourself up as you should. What should feel like? He's, he's, he's, he's, one of the greatest marketers put together one of the greatest companies in modern rap. Like he should feel that way. And he says it a lot on Twitter and it goes viral because it pisses some people off. And he goes back and forth with fans all the time. Like one can make a case. That's all I'm saying. And it's love to Wes.

It's love to Benny. It's love to Conway. Love to my guys, man. Those are my guys. Man, they know that, man. And I'm glad I got the chance to speak to Benny and Conway over the weekend. Like, just to let them, you know, them know. But they knew what it was and where I stand with them.

Like, they know. It's nothing but support for me, so. It's fine, man. We went through with Paul Rosenberg, too. Be so confused when people hate us and we're the number one supporter as a fucking grizzled. Me trying to go viral baby, me?

You should have told them, niggas, I go viral talking about Pepsi. I go viral fake flirting with my coworkers, niggas, I do this viral shit. I don't got to talk about you to go viral. Fuck is you talking about it. It's a brand name. It's like Pepsi.

Yeah. It's a brand name. You're wearing the Blue Magic now? I'm wearing Blue Magic now. magic, hilarious. You wearing blue magic. I asked mom 50 times for that track suit and he won't give it to me. Baby, this shit, you will have Super Hill drag if you must put this on. Nigel, you're not that much taller to me.

All right. Here we go. All right. How's all of you, Mom? You want to stay next to me on camera so everybody can see? No, not with what I got on today, but how tall are you? Why? Why? What you got on today, baby, Dee? How tall are you? That's Mall to Five Nine. You thought that that was so funny.

No, I thought your reaction was funny. I didn't think it was. Oh, my. More the Five-nine. that's your boy but um tuss that's your boy but um i'm a volume shoot man i don't care if y'all laugh and that's all that matters fuck us funny to you right yeah exactly i entertain myself sometimes you need to do that we're entertain yourself what you do this weekend yo it was a bad bitch standing on the corner right here when i came down she was selling it she was selling it was it for sale no oh i think for sale on a monday at noon it's crazy it's always on sale

outside it was a saturday it was a saturday at like 10 30 now probably like 12 in the morning. What was you doing over here on Saturday? I was on a city bike. So you just stopped by the office real good? I was drunk city biking. No, I had to pee.

I just thought about off. I think you just admitted to a crime. I don't think you're allowed to. You can't drunk city bike? I don't think so, no. You can't drink and bike. You can't drink and bike. A.m. 12 a.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, at night? Yeah. Oh, you definitely came in hand with shaking ass. No, I had to pee. Yeah.

No, you're shaking ass. Well, yeah. I mean, but we had toilet tissue, so I didn't. have to like shake the droplets off like I took it's white yeah but no I came here I was um I had my little brother in town for you know his first burgers and bottles it was his birthday so we were drunk city biking because he'd never been in New York before and I was like I have to be so we stopped out of office. Mm-hmm gosh well we need the full shout to burgers and bottles um it

looked crazy 7000 people mm-hmm shout to burgers and bottles seven thousand people that's really tough that wasn't one of them yeah who's um who's who's head of mom who's head of who's head of who's head of security at Burgess and Bottles. Please. Not today, please. I need to talk to somebody. I got to hollered somebody over at Birkenberg. You know all this. Every time we go somewhere, you'd be knowing the security guys.

Yeah, but I need to talk to whoever is at Burgers and Bottles. I need to know why they didn't have my lamnet or my wristband in the front waiting for me. It was waiting for you. You didn't come. Who's the head of talent? Yeah. Who do we call? Who got the earpiece in the ear at the front?

That's what I need to talk to next time. 7,000 people and we're not in the building. Was Jim Jones there? Yes. Yes, great. You had Jim there? Y'all probably got Jim a car too. That's crazy.

Y'all sent Jim a car service? All right. And he just left me and all at home. Hey, yo, burgers and bottles. Y'all like how y'all be having, like, safe events and shit? Y'all want to keep having safe events. You like how shit go on without a hitch? You don't make me put a hitch in the next event.

Yo, what is wrong with them? No, shout out to them, man. That's big. 7,000 people. That's fire. No, that's incredible. Salute to them for sure. And a salute to everyone that was part of our friend,

Sheney's tribute as well. I thought that was really, really nice. And I was very happy that Burgs and Bottles did that. But the event looked great. You have fun? I did. I had a good time. I was tired, man, but I had a good time.

I had my baby sister with me. I had, like, my older sister was there. Like, I had my entire family and friends, but everyone was there. Did you feel like you had to, like, make sure they were okay? That's what I hate sometimes. Yeah, that's why I didn't bring you. What did you need to make sure I'm okay for?

Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? You got to entertain. Like, you got to make sure. Are you good? You're okay? You're comfortable. You having fun? That's the king of the,

that's the king of the Paloosa right there. It would have been an honor for him to walk through the streets of burgers and bottles. You know what I'm saying? He used to shut it down at King and Palooza. You know that. Oh, he real comfy. He comfy. Yeah.

You know those. Come on. You know, he still got his festival legs. Man, don't do that. That's my, that's my Paluzza lamining it right there. It's hanging right there on the rafter. It's the rafters, by the rafter.

That's the rafter. That's the rafter. Yeah. I would have been fine. Listen, if you just put me in a place where I can sit in the corner and people watch them, I'm fine. I remember that for next time. But yeah, I had a ball. When and where's the next one?

This same weekend next year. Wait, the next, the next burgers and bottles is next year? New York, yeah. They do one, one in a year? No, when and where is the next burgers and bottles? Oh, D.C. When? D.C. next month, if I'm not mistaken.

We end there. We end there. I'm going to have one before the New York. We're in there. DC burgers and bottles. I'm in there. You know what venue they're doing? Let me check.

Trump might go and fuck everybody shit up. Was Eric Adams actually there? That was a fake tweet. No, they might have, he might have actually been there. I ain't even going to too much lie to you. D.C. tickets July 25th. Where's it at, though?

They probably won't announce it until yeah, they probably... Are we in there, Rory? Because if they're doing 7,000 in New York, they could do 4,000 in D.C. Easy. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

That'll be fun. Yeah, we out there. Tickets on sale right now. So they're only $33 right now. There will be no sections sold. They don't do. That's fine. We with Baby D.

You can't spell Baby D. Without spelling D.C. That's a fact. Come on now. Damn, check it. You're supposed to be it. Come on, man. You're the holes being D.C.

And the. I'm trying to tell you something. You're not, you're not following my leave. I'm not picking up what I'm putting down. Yeah, you're not picking down what I'm putting down. Yeah. Yeah. We in D.C.

Come on. We out. A lot of beautiful women. Government jobs. Chocolate City? You go into their health insurance? I was talking about that men. It'd be some fine men in D.C.

But a lot of will be gay. When you said fine hoes, we weren't. Did you notice that? A lot of D.C. men be a little. All right. I mean. They play basketball? Yeah.

No. What does that mean? Like, you know, like. Balling? Like, no. Gay. Like, girl. Oh, oh, no.

I don't know. I was sorry. I didn't know what you put that man, baby. My bad. I see I'm not answering that because all Cameron did was being an actor in a movie he got shot in D.C. over it. So. Yeah. I'm never saying a bad word.

Really? D.C. man. Allegedly. He said it. What did he say? The clip is online. Yeah. Just don't play Alpo. And go to D.C. Just Google it. Just Google it, baby. Yeah. That's dope though, man. Shout out the burgers and bottles. D.C. We might have to see that,

or we might have to. D.C. ready for it? Yeah, yeah. We might have to. D. D. D. D. D. D. Mitch. DC. DC, B. Maybe y'all could do a live show there around the same time. Huh? Maybe y'all could do a live show there around the same time. Around burgers and bottles?

I mean. Do y'all want to do live shows again? Or y'all still? At some point, yeah. Yeah. For sure. No, it's really just on me and Amara. Blame my daughter.

Don't blame anyone else. No, don't blame you. You're not blaming your daughter. Like, find Amara's at on Instagram and flood her comments and tell her she's a piece of shit. Oh, yeah. Eventually, though. We'll go back out and see the people. Our last D.C. show was one of my favorites by far.

Yeah. Was that when they fought? Yeah. Yeah. Love that show. Look at what you love. I mean, you know, it gets the people going. It was just a really good show, but it was, no, I did not expect somebody to fight at a podcast show. Yeah, that was like, what you beefing about?

Chairs, quit everything. And then we just went back to regular schedule. Alcohol, drinking, man. You know how it go? I forget. Was it security versus the guy? I even forgot what happened. Yeah.

It was, it was. Didn't that guy going. Like Twitter after? Yeah, he DM me too of wanting to call into the pod to give his side of the stories like, oh, so you want insurance companies to really go after me. You just want me and all to get sued. Got you. Shout out to D.C., man.

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But staying on rap, I did see that Kiss sort of responded to 38 Special, not only our clip, obviously, but Bagfield as well, saying he's getting in the studio. Is that to reply or to give the verse that he owes 38 Special? No, I think he going to make good on that. his, you know. He said, I'm about to go in the lab, do some samurai sorting, try to be a father and a businessman, but they want to bring me out my element. Listen, man, I'm always here for a new kiss verse. So if kiss say he going into the studio, I'm happy for it.

Same. Give us something for, give us some, give us some balls for the summer, kiss, man. Give us some balls, man. Give us some slick talk. I love 38, special. But having your name be 38, spesh. and Jadicus having that to work off? How many 38thes

do you think Jadakis can come up with? 38. 38? Probably. Probably 38 of them. Yeah. Like, there's just certain names that I don't know if you,

like if you get in a rap battle, like shout out to Math. Hoffer, one of my favorite battles, I think math is incredible. And why I think he's also incredible is because he has to deal with having the name Math

and how much you can do with that name and still try to win. Like, that's how dope math is. Your name is math. Yeah. They're still coming up with new math on Tadras. He's been battling for 20 years. Hey, Spesh. He has a lot of room to say a lot of shit. All right now. Your verse, you better make sure your verses. Listen, man, 38's not to be played with either. Because Kiss, I mean, yeah, but Kiss now, kiss probably got a little extra fire up on him. Like, all right, you wanted this verse. All right. So now I'm going to smoke you on your own joint. I'm going to have

a better verse than what you're going to do. And I'm sure especially be completely fine with that. Oh, yeah. Getting outwrapped by Jada Kiss on your record. nothing wrong with that I'll take it yeah I don't think anyone's sitting on anyone that gets outwrapped by kid no it's totally fine to get out really on your jacket it's totally fine to get out of my kid yeah that's again most people will

especially no slouch no not at all not at all I do want to hear technically he's outwrapped jetticus before on the same song yeah but it's due over now ball up top my ball I'm trying to think of any entress I could use

with a name like Rory Rory I'm sorry Rory No Like what Rory rhyme with Story Yeah there's a lot of ory stuff Yeah

Of course Bore me There you go Now you're using it Now you hear baby D.C You see how fast shit Just start going Yeah

Yeah I was just thinking If I was a battle rapper Like damn Like It would be my entangras With you niggas Names

It's bad in Spanish. And you, Puerto Rican. So what that mean? You got entendres for me? You ready? I was just, I'm just, you know, just thinking off the top of the head, my bad. Yo, Damaris come in here with a battle rap all in Spanish. I'm going to lose my mind.

Like, remember with the Democratic debates and then they would just randomly start breaking out into Spanish? Her coming in here and battling that way would be the funniest thing ever. Is this a child? I mean, you've been ducking me. But Maul won't rap. Mall refuses to rap, so it's not fun. Yeah, I ain't rapping. He won't even try.

No. But I wouldn't get too confident, Damaris. There's a lot you could do with Baby D. Like what? See? Look at you already trying to, nah, let me cook. We'll come back when it's time. Giscop.

Yo, your last name? I can already think of four. You could not think of nothing. That rhymes with Giscop. I already beat you with a comb and hair reference in the first battle. Yeah. Don't even... Peace.

Don't have combing your name. That's all I'm doing. Don't start talking about black women in their head. Please, though. Whatever you do, don't tell you start. Peace, you look at me and said, uh-oh. But don't you start. Yo.

Anyways, while we are on rap topics, over the weekend, Mass Appeal hit me and... Shout to Mass Appeal. Always shout out to Mass Appeal. And asked me if we wanted to give it. away some Naz tickets, he will be in Queens for the World Cup. It's like, you know, what do they call those things? The launch concerts or whatever it is. He will be in Queens on Friday, June 12th, and they gave me six tickets, so two pairs of three. So you can bring someone with you. And we were

trying to think of a cool way to give away these tickets. Two pairs of three? Yeah, three pairs of So there'll be three winners and each winner will get two tickets. Okay. So three pairs of two. Dyslexic, you're dyslexic. Okay, got you. That's fine. Three sets of two.

Yeah. That's why I'm going to lose this rap battle. Three pairs. But I was trying to think of a cool way that we could give away these tickets to our listeners. How do you feel like if they go to our IG, we make this a clip on Instagram and they can comment below with a bar that sounds like something Nas would say. Isn't really a Nas lyric, but they could give us a nod. bar and we pick the three best based around a world cup it has to be like a world cup

i like that too a naz world cup reference could be really cool and we'll pick our three favorite and then you'll get two tickets to see naz and we'll be out there as well so you can come kick it with us um but shout to mass of people for giving us those tickets i'm i'm excited to see who can come up with some bars yeah everybody claim they got balls and they rap let's see your best balls in the comments okay yeah because there's something with the world is your and World Cup. There's something there. I can't find it yet.

It's right there. Somebody has to find it. It's right there. But shout out to Mass Appeal. Shout out to Nas. Anytime we can give away tickets to our listeners. I'm always here for that.

Did we ever get an update of when we gave away tickets to that? Not Nas. Kanye and Drake Show. Didn't those two people go on a date? No, we spoke to them. We spoke to her after. We spoke to her after that.

Remind me. How did that date? though. She was fine too, right? Yeah, it was cool. Like, they had a good time, but they didn't really like hang out of nothing after that though. But she said it was cool. They had a good time. Yeah. You swooped in? Me? How I swooped in?

Like, I mean? You think I went to L.A. outside the concert like, yo, come with me now? Come with me now. Dates over? It shows over. That's his, you know, that's his, that's his ball, his bag. Me? That's my bag? No, he's trying to put it on you. That's his bag. Okay. Wait, what's my bag? To interrupt their date.

To cut throw. If you would have been in LA, you damn sure would have interrupted their date. I would have picked seats between the two of them? Like, how would I have done that? You would have been sitting on the side. Interjecting like, yo, like, so I see chemistry. Okay, I see y'all. That's a good wing man.

No, no, that's not. That's a horrible wing man. Mind your business. Shut up and leave. Give me the tickets and leave. Roy gave you the tickets and act like he's still on the date with y'all. Like, go home. I was tight when I watched the stream.

I was like, fuck, we should have kept those tickets for. for ourselves. Yeah, show was great. Did you see the 2004 double XL sex survey that went viral over the weekend? From 2004? Somebody found, yeah, it was a screenshot of an article that XXL did and I don't know who found this, who screenshots it, but it just randomly went viral from 04 over the weekend. XXL was asking rappers, how do you decide who you'll have anal sex with, which by the way, out the gate is a very strange question and worded, very weird

from a journalistic standpoint. What? How do you decide who you have anal sex with? Well, let's start with consent. If they're into it. If I find out Elliot Wilson was behind this, we're calling him next episode. If this was an Elliott article at XXL asking rappers how to have anal sex, I'm going to kill Elliot for the next month.

It might be. This was one of the funniest things ever. I don't know how I missed this because I read double Excel religiously. Wait, no, we're going to go through some of these responses. Hold on. No, this is Dwight. Wayne's response is fucking insane.

What did he say? What did a little way say? Wayne said, oh. Go to the left. Yeah. Wayne says, oh, when I'm from in New Orleans, my pop's baby, the bird man, set a trend. He said on his song a long time ago,

seven, eight years ago, every real nigga fucked a main girl in the ass. that became a trend in New Orleans if you had a main girl you had to or she wasn't your main girl and reference to that let's just say I've had a lot of main girls thus far

that is a sick ass using the word thus in that is funny that's sick because you know they called them to like get these answers over the phone that being a phoneer is crazy how do you decide who you have anal sex I would have hung up the funniest retweet

I saw of that was they asked about anal sex and the first person Wayne thought of was baby. I was like, yeah, that's fucked up. I see, I like, see, 50, I'm from the 50 close. See, 50 says, I ain't really into all that. We could be really, really freaky without that. She could just use that to go to the bathroom. Young Buck said, I mean, shit, if you find a female who would do it,

yo. I love the 50. She could use that to go to the bathroom. Yeah, that's how the asshole works. Yeah, look at kids. Kiss said I'm against anal sex. That's not my cup of tea. I don't bump on that block.

T.I said, man, no, no, I don't usually do dirty work I have before, but that's not something I like to do. Pastor Troy said, God damn, nigga, we ain't got to. Yo, goddamn nigga, we ain't in jail. Proof didn't give a fuck. Proof says, I don't fuck with that too much. I did it once with my baby mother, though. That shit is not good for your soul. Yo.

Master killer had by far the funniest response, in my opinion. No, Busybone had the funniest response. I don't think you do decide. If you're going to do some shit like that, then it's just going to happen. Depends on how freaky she is. How she grew up as a kid. Yeah, she grew up as a kid, determines if she won anal sex. How did you grow up to decide if you want to have anal sex?

A therapist could probably find a link to something. Bro, please read Mastikers. No, Master Killer said making the brown eye blue. I ain't even into that. Yes. Yeah, these things are crazy. Yo, no, Norie has the sickest one by far. Everyone has funny shit, whatever.

Norrie just went straight. I would stick it in J-Lo's butt hole in a New York second. No disrespect to J-Lo, because I have a lot of respect for her. But she's just awesome. Where did that have to? I can hear Norie saying that, too. Like, I can hear his voice saying that. I would stick it in J-Lo's butthole in a New York second.

No disrespect, though. Look at bleak. Nah, I ain't any of that. Too many diseases that way. Oh my God, man. They was just writing about anything back in there. Look at Mr. Cheeks. I mean, of course they had to ask Mr. Cheeks.

For sure. He said anal sex happens. You know, with a condomore and you snatched that up immediately. Anil is crazy. This is a sick-ass question to ask rappers. Jake is saying I don't pump on that block. Like, just going back to that, that's insane. I don't pump on that block.

I don't do that. That reminds me of yuck. Pupu makes the sex nasty. Why do they talk like that? I just want, like, did they ask them any other questions? Or did this journalist literally call all these rappers say, I have one question. Can I take 30 seconds of your time? Yeah.

I think that's a really well. How do you do anal sex? And then Banks is just like, I don't do that. And then they hung up? Yeah, yeah. That's how you got it. Like, I don't do that. Click.

A big Gip had had like a full dissertation. He said, I don't have no anal sex. Yo, what was that question? Go back. Go back. Yo. Do you have a big old dick? Yo, Elliot Wilson, you have to come to the podium. Yo, this.

Who said that? First of all, 50 cent, I said I have a young, energetic, throbbing love muscle. The magic stick. Oh, prodigy is the one that said. It's high. It's medium. You know what? Self-awareness, man.

Yeah, I believe him. and that's what's up I'm sure it's funny who's asking these questions though like is this follow shop this is crazy like I don't ever remember seeing this in what magazine was this double Xo

I don't not remember seeing this and back then that's all we we was doing was reading magazines I don't remember this at all are white folks freakier if somebody got that old edition like let us borrow it send it to the office

that is crazy No, this is really, really nice. Well, yeah, please check out that 2004 Double X-L. Don't check it out. It's okay. Ropes and handcuffs. Asking prodigy ropes and handcuffs to me is the funniest. Like, did a man do this?

This is when they were just trying to, like, have that type of sex talk with rappers and see they get a peek of how they are in the bedroom. Like, I understand what he was going, but these questions are crazy. All right. The question is ropes or handcuffs. Lloyd Bank says, I'd say the Boston Crab. I got my own little lock. I don't need nothing else to help me hold them down.

Putting a girl in a Boston craves. He rapped about it. Yeah, I know. That's the shit. Oh, man. Yeah, this is nuts. Okay, that's a good question. Ask a rapper.

Have you ever paid for sex? See, that makes more sense to ask a rapper that. Which is kind of crazy because rappers don't need to pay for sex. And I could comfortably say I think probably every rapper is paid for sex. I thought you said you paid him to leave not to come. Fair. Nah, that's, the niggas love saying that line, baby, Dee. That, that never.

Cap. Come on, man. You paid them to leave, so you don't know what your wifey? Shut up. You're a trick. I mean, it is more convenient, though. Is it? That they, somebody that you don't want around, you just want to fuck them.

Yeah. If you could just have them leave, that's, you're paying for convenience. You're fucking mad girls that they don't want around them and girls just leave without. Oh, for sure. No, I agree. I don't think rappers need to, but, yeah. They want to. That's what a trick does.

A trick wants to pay for sex. That's odd. And we love them. Listen, I ain't mad. Get your bag, but we got to call it what it is too at the same time. What does it take for you to call someone a second time? Asking gangster rappers, this shit is hilarious to me. Yeah, they was just trying to get me.

What does it take for you to call somebody the second time, Mom? Like, you call it on the first time they don't answer, like. Changes the diaper? What you mean, like call back to, like. Call back to back. Like, you call and they don't answer, so you call again. like what do they have to do to make you that crazy and dedicated to that's crazy to well not crazy but you know I mean that's pretty normal though if I call you you don't

answer but now I'll text and be like yo I call just in case you know what I'm saying and if you don't call me back like you before the night is over I'm gonna text I might not call it I'm text like yo you're all right because at that point it's like you know me like I'm just making sure you good it's not like calling a woman back to back is not crazy, right? If it's a girl you deal with like that? No, I think that you can call if she don't answer

text. Then if she don't answer the text or the call, then I think you just start to get a little concerned after a while. Like, yo, you good? But yeah, it's nothing wrong with calling a girl twice. Yeah, I call. Because if I'm calling you, I, it's a reason I'm calling you. Like, I enjoy

speaking to you, like, but if you don't answer my call and don't answer the text, then now I'm concerned about it just make sure you good. What if you FaceTime or she call you back like regular? Like you FaceTime or she'll answer

but women have done that. No, they've done that. They're like, y'all, I look crazy right now. Bonnet on. I got my mask on, my collagen mask on, just that and the third. Like, that's cool. I didn't need to FaceTime you,

but I, you know, to me that's a cooler way of having a conversation with somebody. XL asks, There's no better love than dot, dot, dot. T.I. says, excuse me, I thought this was a sex issue, not the Valentine's Day issue. What does love have to do with that? There's no better love than a threesome. That's more like it. Corrupt says, there's no better love than Megan Good. Okay. Wayne says my love, nasty love.

I hear that shit. Proof said head on a boat. It brings up a good point. T.I. saying ain't no better love. than a threesome after what they were saying him and tiny was fucking all of Atlanta makes that shit check out boy you go back and visit the archive yeah Banks just said money in head

listen man get right to it I can't read that font but yeah no this whole article was fucking hilarious this was July 2004 double Excel magazine let's see if we can order a copy of that they still do that right no you can't buy magazines Not from 22 years ago, I don't think so

You can do it newspapers Yeah, you have to find a collector Because I feel like you could buy pretty much Any like New York Times paper You say, I mean you have to pay A lot for them to print it But you can order Really? Yeah

I didn't know that Yeah, you could definitely do that I'm sure double Excel probably has something Where you could order shit It's just probably cost a lot Because they're just doing a one-off Yeah, collector probably has any Much to charge for you, I get it

Yeah, but no, that's fucking hilarious. All right. We're going to take a quick, quick break. And then we are going to have a guest that I've been wanted to have on here for quite some time. We're going to speak to the legendary ACON. I want residency to a city, man. That's why I happen.

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I mean, it's many titles that this guest has. But we both are excited to have them because it's somebody that we've supported for years. wanted to sit down and have a conversation with. So today he is in the studio. We are joined by the legendary ACON, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, good. Changed R&B, changed the hook game. Change the game.

I could say that you completely changed R&B as a solo artist, but also as a label owner, I feel like. That's what's up. People don't talk about that part enough, though, the label part. We've had a lot of artists slash execs on this show, and we have a lot of, you know, debates about sub-labels with death row, bad boy, this and that. Right. Why do you think convict doesn't get brought up the way it should between you having T-Pain, Lady Gaga, Red Cafe, you had WizKid early?

Convict should be, in my opinion, in that conversation as far as a sub-label. Cardinal official, like, why do you think that it's not brought up the way it should be brought up? I guess it would depend on the context in which they're bringing it up, you know? when I created convict it was more of an outlet okay you know what I mean opportunity that was given to people that didn't have the access to the game right given the open door because convict was open for everybody

yeah there's mad artists now they're convict artists that I don't brand as convict because it helps to keep their brand because they're built to be in a position where they can be a franchise of their own okay you know what I mean oftentimes when you hug something over an artist when you hug them to the point where the brand is so strong, it's hard for them to break off to do their own thing. You know, certain people represent the brand from a perspective of that brand being able to

kind of, you know, peel off to create other opportunities, right? So when we did convict, originally it needed to be exactly what it was, but it also was a freestanding brand for anybody to be able to associate themselves with it without me shutting it down. Okay. Because it was at one point, I'm sure you probably knew everybody was claiming convict. And you was like, well, who's convict? Kuwait. Yeah. I mean, I felt like at one point, you're almost producer tag with convict music at the top of every

record. Right, right. You know what I mean? So when did that shift, do you think, happen with your mind state of not adding that to everything? No, I kind of realized, well, I understood the art of branding. And I knew that everybody just couldn't be branded convict. Some things got to be off of it. Like, even with Lady Gaga, she was never branded convict. Like, nobody knew I was a part of that until it was way to the point where it was too late to stop it. Yeah. You know what I said? As a nerd, I didn't know to way later.

Had I branded her convict, she wouldn't have got that big. Why do you feel that way, though? It just, it's like she's a pop artist and a white pop artist. Convict was so urban and it was so street at that time to try to push that. Like, the problem is out, but Kobe O'Donnas, the same thing. Right. I didn't brand him convict. He just, like, people ain't even know.

You know what I mean? So it's like, it's certain things that I just felt like wasn't. a, like, convict wouldn't have helped it. It would actually would have held it down a little bit. Yeah. But, you know, not a lot of executives think like that, though. Right. Like, they don't have that way with the order to be like,

yo, let's not put the brand on this artist so heavy because it might stifle their trajectory and, you know, people might not understand it. Right. So to have that, you know, I mean, like, since and then have that discernment of like, yo, let's not push that on the artist. I mean, that's dope because that doesn't happen very often. Yeah. I mean, because they're only thinking about how they're going to grow their business.

Right. But sometimes you've got to understand your business can grow without it being like, like it's really about thinking about the long run. Like the long, determinated factor. You know what I mean? Like prime example, when I had Rich Homi K-Kha, K-Kat, Young Thug, they were all brands of their own. Yeah. It wasn't necessary to brand that convict at that time because we were just a platform being utilized to build that brand. You know what I mean?

So, but again, it probably would have made a difference, but from what perspective and how long would it have lasted? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Did you get a lot of flack? I mean, obviously now Autotune is the standard. And not to say that T. Payne was the first one to use Autotune, but he used it in such a unique way that I feel, you know, once you go through Payne to Kanye and now you get the sound

that is today. Right. Did you get a lot of flak? Because, I mean, you are a great vocalist and a purest. curious, in my opinion, like from the Fulgis on to your solo career. Did you get a lot of shit for T-Pain when he first came out? No, not really. I mean, I don't think they would have told me anything about it.

I mean, I heard a lot of slack. Yeah. But in the end, I mean, what's winning is winning. And then what you got to think, regardless of the slack, look what it, like how look what it influenced. Like, people, to me, if the slack came, it was just, it was out of jealousy. It had nothing to do with anything else because every, when you, when, you, you can't shut down what everybody doing.

Right, right. Like, come on, if everybody picked it up, like literally, literally everybody, the whole industry. Jay-Z couldn't even kill it. Like, to the point it was industry standard. Like, how do you shut that down? Yeah. I mean, you can't.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, so what did you hear early on? Because Payne was using auto-tune the way he was when you first heard, like the demo and everything, right? That came after. That came after. Okay. So what was the first introduction to T-Pain that you had?

He had a mixed tape. Okay. He had a mixtape. and he had a re-endition of my record locked up on it. Okay. But his was called him fucked up. Got, okay.

So he was talking about his struggles. Yeah, yeah, actually, I remember. I remember that. And I was like, ah, we got something here. This is it. Yeah, yeah. This boy, monsters. Like, to the point where I felt like

that could have been my record. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that's what I knew that was in. I was like, at that moment, I felt like, okay, I need to sign him ASAP because I would rather he'd be a part of the team

than me somebody having to compete against. That's, that's, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. What were some of those early Fuji days, like, going from Jersey City to New York and being around for that time? Because I don't think a lot of people know how involved you were with the Fugees. Yeah, like that was my original camp. Yeah.

You know, I broke off to go to build my own camp at Convick. But as you notice, refugee and convict is a slight similarity to do as far as the captivity of what it is to be an outsider or a foreigner. Somebody locked up in chains. like. So convict was an extension of refugee camp. You know what I mean? So refugee camp was my original like that's where I started doing music as a writer, as a producer, as an artist. You know, so but those days, man, at the book of basement was serious like, but fun. It wasn't something that we took so serious. Because at that point, I still didn't know that music was going to be something I, you know, kind of moved on as a career with. You know what I mean?

When you're in the room with the Fuji, like together, you didn't think that that was like, okay. I mean, Lauren was probably in high school, right? Yeah. Yeah, I was I was making more money on the street. So it was like, it was a hobby. Yeah. I didn't see where the money was at, really. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And then when the Fugge's got their record deal, at a record called Boothbaugh, you know, they was constantly doing shows. Then you start to say, okay, ooh, you actually make some money. Right? Like, okay, maybe there is the money to be made.

You know what I'm a lot of money to be made? You know what I said? CLEFlight like, dude, sit down somewhere. Yeah, relax. Because this could be it. Like, you got too much talent to be out of these streets. Like, he would always tell me that. And in my mind, I'm like,

Yeah, but I'm getting the block is. Yeah, yeah. Like, I want to wait. Y'all cool. Y'all getting money. Like, I need that. I need that now. How do you get tapped in with them?

Because Cliff is a little older than Bob's and Lauren, right? Yeah, I used to work at a barbershop. Okay. That same barbershop, old 18,000. Like, that's where all the dope dealers hung out. Like, the hustlers hung out. I was in there cutting hair. You know what I'm saying?

So that environment was naturally just a natural hustle of environment. But for the most part, you know, he used to come into the shop all the time. Yeah. And get his hair cut. And then John. Then John, the owner of the club, I mean, the barbershop was like, you know, con, you need to hook up with them. Like, you know, it's a Haitian kid.

They actually got a record deal. They got a studio around the corner. And I know you do music. I should connect. So when Clef came in, he connected us. And then there was no turning back from there. Yeah. Yeah.

That's crazy. We had Al Bial on the show this week, who's a great, great Jersey City rapper. And he was telling us some very funny dusthead stories of Jersey City. because Jersey City, which I've lived in Jersey City since 2008, is the dusthead capital of the... Hold on. Listen, the nickname Dirty Jersey came from Jersey City.

Do you have any fun dusthead stories? I feel like anyone that's lived in Jersey City had dusthead stories. I think, like, yeah, like Jersey City is just dusty. It's crazy. It's crazy. Like, bruh. I bought a house there, man. No.

I was raised there, so I get it. Yeah. No, it's a good involvement. environment, but if you notice, nobody from Jersey City really stays in Jersey City like that. That's a fact. Right. Unless you're up on a hill and you get, like, that's just where you at. Yeah.

Well, it's also way different than when you grew up. It's gentrified. Oh, yeah. It's completely built up. It's totally different. Like, now, I didn't. I was like, damn. Like, you know what I'm mad I sold my house.

Because I would have came up. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, man. But yeah. The neighborhood changed a little bit. No, it changed a lot.

Yeah, it changed a little bit. For sure. But back then. Man, listen. It was dust. The dust says it's still there, though. Just because they got high rises, doesn't mean the dust is the Starbucks on the corner.

Don't mean they're not there. They're still around. Yeah, these are the older. Less active. Know you in the middle of the tour right now with Neo. Shout out to Neo. Big shout to Neo. That's my dog.

I have to ask, but what's tour life like with Neo and his three girlfriend? Oh, no, it's cool. Like, we go bowling on off days. Okay. We hang out. You know, we go to dinners, movies. So that wouldn't be called a double date. What would that be?

No, I mean, we're just out going out. It's going to. It's past dating stages. Yeah, yeah, yeah, at this point. You know, it's past. But how does that conversation go, yo, Neo, what you and your ladies doing? I'm going to come kicking with y'all.

No, actually, it's not even that. It's like, okay, cool, what we're doing? Y'all going to bowling? I would meet you out. When I get there, you there with his girls. Okay. Like, it's not like, you know, keep the girls home as a boy's night. No, no, no, but that.

Or you bring the lady. You're bringing the tricks or? I don't, no, it's not. It's not. Yeah. Yeah, wherever you go, they're going. It's not even a question. Just know that when you invite him, you invite them. Yeah, so, plus four all the time.

That just seems like that. Because we've been on tour together, and when I've been in relationships, small has to also deal with me and my relationship as well, which can be a lot when you're touring with somebody. Yeah. Add in three. Because the conversation has to change when the ladies are. No, but they, no, but that's what I'm saying.

Like, what's interesting is what I've noticed, like, his relationship with them, and they're like his friends. Yeah. Like, they have real conversation like how we have. Yeah. Like, he could talk about bitches with them there and they're going to talk about bitches too. Yeah.

It's a real friendship. It's not like where the relationship makes it so like uncomfortable to me. It's not awkward. It's not, yeah. Like, bitches come around. He's free. Like, you holl at them and that holl at him. Yeah.

It's like, it's like, that's what made it special. And I think that's why it actually can work because it actually is a friendship amongst them. Yeah. It ain't no tense thing where, okay, who, like, okay, he hugs, oh, you hugging her a little too long. I need to hug, or you need to, it ain't none of that. Yeah. Okay.

No, I mean, like, on paper that, to me, is how the human brain works as far as monogamy. And I just don't think I could do. Yeah, I think, I think open relationships and having multiple wives make sense. I think it does make sense. I just couldn't do it because my pace, like my patience is very thin. It's tough with one girl, let alone having to deal with three personalities. I think you're saying to protect yourself because you're online. That's what's going on.

Stop that bullshit. I'm fine with having a bisexual wife. That's the same thing. But they stay in now. Again, it's a friendship. Like people, I think that's the part of everybody get wrong. Like,

you, these are real, like, these are your best friends. The thing is people highlight the sex part so much. Yeah. To where they forget about all the other, you know, like when we're not having sex. Oh, I'm talking about it. Not the sex part.

People forget about the advantages of just having real, people around. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I think that's the part that people don't focus on. Yeah. They focus on the fucking part. Yeah.

And then that will make it completely awkward. Yeah. Fair. I, but it's the nonsense. It's already a public conversation is like, okay, wait a minute. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think it's more common than people.

It's just because it's Neo and Neo's famous. But I think it's a little more common in 2026 than people. I mean, Neil didn't discover that. No. No, I mean. He just grew the courage to actually do it. Yeah. Publicly.

I did a thruple for one week and I bowed up. Actually, no, not take it back. Not built for that. I take it back. It was five days. It wasn't 70. I bowed out. I couldn't do it.

Yeah. I mean, this is the thing. Once you're confident in what y'all got, it don't matter with the world. Think at that point. So once y'all know that, that's when it's strong. They started fighting. And it wasn't like I had an issue with either of them. They started fighting.

And I was like, I'm cool. Well, if I might ask, what was they fighting about? It had to do with the three of us going to a wedding together. and one of them feeling uncomfortable because of Western standards that it would be looked at crazy and then they started fighting and when you look at your phone and there's 50 text messages

when you're trying to record a podcast episode I said this is happening on day four. Oh yeah, no, no, I'm cool. Yeah, if the understanding is not there, it's going to be a bad day. It's a headache, man. Yeah, it's a headache. It's a fucking headache.

Where are you at with R&B now? I know traditional R&B is, I don't want to say taking a backseat because you do have great artists like Coco Jones and a lot of people making traditional R&B that is great. But the consensus to a lot of people is R&B is turned into dark tones

and it's not even about love anymore. It's still R&B. R&B is still R&B. It's just the energy of the topics of what they're talking about changes because the generation change and see it differently. Like R&B has always been the same.

It's just the sound will change according to the mood. Yeah. And then the topics will change according to the behaviors. So if the next generation grow up and it's no more heterosexual, guess what R&B going to be about?

Exactly. I don't think I want to hear that. But I'm just giving you an idea. Like, it's going to change according to where that is. You don't know what that sound like. I'm cool. I'm going to country music. To answer your question, R&B is not changed.

I don't mind. I'm not changed. R&B hasn't changed. Yeah. It's just the topic matter has and the behavior of how men look at women changed. You know what I'm them? And not in the non-heterosexual part, but do you think like artists like you, Life Jennings, artists from that era did change that?

Because I felt like you guys in that era were some of the first people to make non-love R&B songs. Like you're locked up as your shit that put you on the map. Right. You weren't always doing love songs whatsoever. No, never. And Life Jennings, too. I mean, his first album is a classic to me. Right.

Do you guys think you had that shift? I know for sure when I came out and shifted it, for sure, from a topic perspective, because nobody really thought that reality music or topics would work. Right. And R&B melodies, right? So, because everybody at that time was rapping and it was hard, or you were singing and you were singing about love.

Yeah. So coming out, singing about what rappers were rapping about was a little cliche at the time. And that's why I was kind of hard to figure out how do we market it? What genre is it? Is it R&B? Is it hip hop? You know what I mean? In my case, because it was a little different, is it reggae?

Yeah. You know what I mean? So, but when Style P jumped on it, it gave it a genre. Yeah. When it didn't have one, even though it wasn't given one, it was just created. It was placed in the genre. Because even until this day, I've never rapped a day in my life, never sang, I mean, never rapped from a perspective of a hip hop artist.

but I'm classified as a hip hop artist because that was the only genre that they can identify with you know what I mean But when does that change though? It doesn't Once you know it's something they keep you there

Like even now I do more pop records than I do even urban records And I'm still classified as hip hop Yeah yeah But I think maybe Do you think that has to also do with How present you were with hooks?

Like even like Nate Dogg for example It was impact Is R&B but we would consider Nate dog hip hop. Exactly. So. Because the impact was just so large that you can't really. And then I did so many features with hip hop artists.

Yeah. So many to the point where it was like cemented in there. So even if I wanted to escape, it is impossible. Yeah. What was your favorite hook that you've ever done? It's a few. As far as hip hop records go. It's a few.

One of my favorites, though, is Soul Survivor. I would say. Yeah. Yeah. When that drop was easy. Yeah, that was like With the paid in full video It was not

It stopped the world at that point Yeah well actually another one of my favorite ones But didn't go as big as I would have expected it up Was change up Yeah Change up to me was a bit To me that was the follow up The Soul Survivor

When you're talking about that type You know the one with fad No sure But it didn't it didn't do as well as I thought That it would have did Like from a global perspective It was more of a East Coast thing. How do you feel about

everyone, because obviously being an executive and having an amazing catalog, everyone's selling their catalogs. Right. How do you feel about that? Well, I mean, it depends on if you got a plan. You know, um, like gathering all the information that I gather now,

I would tell you if you actually have your catalog to hold on to it. Really? It's going to be worth so much more later. That's why they're buying it out now. They're buying it out now because the way the technology is moving. Mm-hmm. It's going to, catalog going to be a multi, multi, multi, multi billion dollar business

because all catalog got to be attached to the technology, especially the AI. When the AI come on board, all those AI voices, all those, you know, like even when you look at how AI has actually created music, it's all creating it from the existing catalog that's being owned. Sure. Yeah. Right. That's why we now know why everyone was selling their catalogs six, seven years ago during COVID.

Right. It was for two reasons. At that time, it was for the metaverse. Yep. But the metaverse made a shift in this now AI. And Zuckerberg completely fucked it up. Well, he tried to create an environment where he owned it. Yeah.

And it kind of made a shift because nobody trusted it. Yeah. Right. But AI now is something that everybody could be a part of. They just don't understand it well enough. You know, but from the most part, moving forward in where the future is going, with AI, if you got your catalog, you think you've made a lot of money selling it. Wait how much money you see how much they're going to make.

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Do you agree with AI? Like, do you, how do you, how do you, I agree on the AI use of music? I love it. I love AI, to be honest. But that's because I'm a writer and a producer. So I can use it as a tool to enhance my skill. Now, if you are, if you're not quite like a creator, it can scare you. You know what I'm saying?

Because you don't know exactly how it been. or how for the most part, it can take your job. That's what I was going to say. You don't feel like that's a threat to the song writers? I'm a creator myself. Right. If anything, it can help me. But if you're not really a creator and that thing actually creates better, of course

you're going to want it. But, all right. So where do you draw the line with it as a creator? Like, I love AI in the fact that I can use it in Pro Tools and stem out a two-track when I could never do that before. I think that's incredible. Yeah. but I'm still drawing the line

and I'm never having AI write a song for me. But that's like that, but that's a preference. You know, that's, yeah, I'm just saying where you personally draw the line with, I would use,

I would use AI to help me write more songs. Okay. I would use AI when I got to write as block and can't come up with nothing. I will use AI when I'm tapped in a certain beat and I need to take it to the next level but can't figure out which direction to go. AI would give me five different versions of my own beat

on which direction to go. You know what I'm saying? I think, As a fan, I'm fine with you doing that because your record. You're proven. You're proven. Like, you use an AI doesn't bother me whatsoever as a nerd fan because, yeah, look at your track record when AI never existed.

Right. But if somebody at 21 years old starts using AI and gets the same achievements as you, I'm looking at them with an asterisk. Like, no. I mean, but why? Why would it matter? Like, the question is, whatever those, you know, ideas that he might have punched into the computer came out.

Because I don't think, like, I think sometimes you get people discount the, the brilliance in AI. Me at the end of the day, I just want to love what I'm listening to. I don't care how it's made or who made it, right? I just know what I love. Because there's some AI artists that I've been listening to on Apple that I'm like, this shit is incredible. Yeah.

And I'm still tripping off how a computer did that. But I'm also thinking about, okay, what was the prompts that was put in there to get that? Because I know AI left and right. Like I'm very tech savvy. But I'm like, what prompts did that nigga use? Yeah. Or did she use to get that? Yeah.

I need to figure that out. So now I'm back in the creative mode again because AI only does what you tell it to do. But then it also puts in its own data and organization from within the information that's already been gathered to make it to take it to the next level. right so even if you had no production history or experience ever and you made something on AI or AI made something for you that was incredible I would thank you because it's great music like honestly to be honest let's just be real thing I personally like the AI music better than I like a lot of the new artists coming out oh no that's a fact I don't listen so I don't think I'll just being real well can I get some examples because I'm sure that there's been I don't

songs that I've listened to and I didn't know it was AI. Right. And that's happening. And that's happening. Right. Well, records leak in and the artist, like, yo, is this the artist or is this like some AI version of the artist? But time will tell you.

Time will tell. Like, you got to think, like, prime example, with nilly vanilly, right? Mm-hmm. We thought that that was the bravest duo group alive until we realized they were lip singing. Yeah. What exposed them?

Time. Mm-hmm. All these guys can come up here and be on social media, lip singing like a motherfucker like they're AI. Yeah. But they got to go live. And guess what happens if they never go live? Okay, I know that's AI.

Because there's no way you sing that good and I ain't seen you live. Right. And when the ones that do determine if they're going to try to replicate the AI, when they go live, you will know that too. Yeah, yeah, that's true. You know what I mean? I hear that. And to your point, time will tell.

Time will tell. I'm sure there is a lot of AI songs that I love now because I want to say I romanticize in music and the fact that there's really no one. warmth with AI. Of course, if the product is good, is good. But like, I don't think AI could make locked up people the way it did. It wouldn't. Because you're actually coming from it's human. It's human. I could hear. Right. It's human. I could feel what you were saying. Yeah. I can't give a soul survivor. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. That's why I said, for someone like me, I will use it as a tool to make greater music, right? Now, if it's people that

don't have the experience, the know-how, but they just walking into it and they trip on a hit, then as long as it's a hit, I'm thankful for it because there's not enough hits out there right now. Yeah. Like, honestly, I feel like it could be a lot more hits if some of the, like, seasonal artists, producers and writers actually used AI, to be honest. But somebody, some people just want to say so authentic to it to the point where they lose the beauty and the brilliance in AI. Yeah, to me it's just how you use it.

Yeah, it's such a great area that... It's a tool. It's a tool. If you use it as a tool, everybody would be happy. Because the younger generation artists, I want... They need to use it. Because this is driving you know. Some of that shit is horrible, bro. A lot of it is horrible.

Yeah, some of it is horrible. So there's no younger artists that you actually... No, there's something that's really dope. Like who? I just don't want to... Because then if I don't mention other ones, they're going to think... Yeah, yeah.

I don't want to put myself in a position where I feel like I'm a judge of, you know, it's art. So what I made not like, other people like. So I can't judge it from my opinion. I just know that this is what I like and there's some things that I don't like. But for the most part, I don't deem no music bad. I just know that I don't like it. Yeah. Not saying that's bad music, Aikon.

We're not doing that. There's some terrible shit out of it. No, no. But what I'm saying is it's like art, right? When you go into an art museum, you see some stuff where they just, you could tell the niggie just took the paint and you said, yeah and they like oh this is amazing 12 million dollars you're like nigger wear like this thing ain't do shit

took him two minutes just get some paint and then he created a story you know my mind was all over yeah yeah yeah art is marketing it's all marketing right but some people really believe that shit and really like hold it on so I don't want to you know bust anybody's idea of what they may deem to be great

I just know at the end of the day there's a certain level and a certain pedestal of music of how I knew music to speak to me that the music today don't speak to me. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. I mean, I was having a similar conversation

with Guru who's definitely anti-AI and I am as well, but I was given the other perspective of like, you know, when people brought in NPCs and ASR and programming drums, that was frowned upon at one point. Like everything with technology has been frowned upon.

It's every time. Autotune frowned upon. Now it's a, understand like everything starts to get their sampling was frowned upon yeah you got just allow things to be able to grow it's not like let's a prime example like whenever i look at those kind of situations it takes me back to i'm gonna take it back to the the very like just the nakedness of it all when you look at progression and you look at evolution you got to embrace it because when you do embrace it you realize the beauty in it right when you don't embrace it you don't embrace it

you find yourself behind and it's painful because what you're frowning upon, you know when your heart is good, but you can't admit it because it's just like, it ain't real though. Yeah. I get that, but is it good? Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, is it good?

Yes or no. Like, let's a prime example. Let's say someone that's very natural and they just want to just do everything, the natural way without using no technology. and they want to live life and eat everything organic. And, you know, she gets pregnant and want to have the baby naturally. Don't use no medication, no epidural, no none of that. You're going to get what you want.

It's going to be painful. Or life could be a lot more easier and it's easy. And you can continue to do and live that way throughout or every time you go through labor, you got to go through the most extraordinary pain that you've ever lived in your life. But if you can prevent it, why not prevent it? It's like that we're creating with AI. It just makes life so much easier. And the things that will take me three or four hours to do,

I can do in three or four minutes. Yeah. But doesn't that take away some of the... Again, I think it's fine with people like Acon because their track record without it is fine. For sure. I'm talking about the up-and-coming people. Yeah, it's a way...

You wouldn't be this dope if it wasn't for this. And you're right. And you're right. But then again, who's to say what is dope? Because everybody got a different meaning of dope. Like that's where it goes to the point of... Yeah, but some is a nine and some is a four, though.

But again, that's still a matter of opinion. Because, bro, let me explain something. I got stuff that I've played to me. And when I be like, that ain't really me. Yeah. Or it's, I mean, if you like it, you like it, you like it, but I just don't think it's dope. Yeah. They'd be like, nigggy, you don't know what's going on.

It always go to that. It goes to now. I'm old. You don't know. Yeah. You are, you're out of the loop. I just know what I game good when I think it's trash. Yeah.

Nah, that's it. You don't know what you're talking about. Man. Yeah. Yeah. It always goes to y'all. Y'all old, man. You all stuff.

You don't know what's going on. Right. That's not good to me. I know what I like. Yeah, I know what I like. No matter how old I get. Right. Right.

No matter of fact, the older you get, you know more what you like. Like, this is what. I'm only doing this. That's it. 100%. I know you and your brother were early on Saha'i and working with Saha'i. Yeah, that niggins is a genius. We love so.

I mean, Saha is one of the greatest, greatest ever. Did you hear his good old days record that he just put out the six-minute joint talking about? Recently? Yeah, it was about a month ago. Oh, I got to pick that up. It's incredible. Six-minute record. Just talking about the whole good music situation.

He addresses with every single artist. Kanye, obviously, as well. How did that shift even happen where he was convict and then ended up with good music and Kanye? Because I know your brother was really close with Ye at one point. It goes back to things that we choose to brand and things that we feel has its own life. Like, Sa'i was brilliant. Yeah. But me and my mind, he was too brilliant for convict from a perspective of a writer.

Yeah. We knew, at least I knew for sure. and I knew Boone did too because he helped to organize his positioning to be a writer. I always felt that he was a better writer than he would be a producer, I mean an artist, but he was a better rapper than the average artist. Yeah. That's a big difference. It's just the time when we were coming up, you had to have some kind of gimmick, look,

vibe that matched what you were doing to complete the whole artistry. And with Sa, it was like trying to find out what they were. that was because he was so brilliant from a rapper perspective. The question is how do we market them though? How do we package it for people to get that? And at the time when we were coming up, that was a big thing. So when we moved to try to push stuff and I don't know for sure when I used shopper's music, that was always the hook.

Like, okay, but what's the image? Like, what is that? And I could never answer that question. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But one thing I did know, the nigger could wrap his ass off and I couldn't find nobody that could outwrap him. In my mind, that is the image.

Still, no, still. When he wasn't a good old day, you know, my mind, that is his image. Yeah. But it just unfortunate that we couldn't find the right system that believed in them as much as we did. So the writing aspect became what opened the door. So he just started writing for everybody.

But then when we locked him in with good music, it's like, yeah, he wouldn't let him go nowhere else. Yeah. And I was cool with that. Yeah. Boo was cool with that. He was cool with that because he felt like, okay, I can grow here.

Mm-hmm. You know, but eventually we was expecting, okay, now eventually being locked in that system, he can eventually one day put out his shit and be and it'd be pushed right because he's under an umbrella that's actually known for hip hop. Yeah, was a backpack rapper.

He was known for that, so this is the perfect place for him to be able to grow as a rapper. I know him to be. And years and years will come, and I'm like, nigga, where's the record? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then I also realize that that nigga's biggest threat in hip hop, too. Fair. The moment that happens.

Speak to that, though. The moment that happens, yeah. Now he has to keep all that to himself. It's hard to spread, like, that kind of talent everywhere and still be sustainable as an artist. There comes a time where you got to say,

okay, I wrote for everybody, now I've got to just focus on me. Yeah. Hey, it's tough to do sickle mode, and then it's like, all right, now I got to do my show. A hundred percent. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And Saha is not a, he's not the kind of guy you want to allow to not be there to sustain your career when it's at his height. Yeah. No. But when you say he's the biggest threat.

He's a monster. That niggas a beast, bro. I'm happy you saying that because me and Rory have these conversations privately and say the same thing. Like, he's, his pen and his skill set to me is a match. He's a genius. Yeah. 100% of it. He's the genius.

Yeah. Yeah. No, without question. I'm glad to hear you say that, bro, because we feel the same way about Saha. And I have plenty of text messages where I, like, believe me, I always wanted to just beat down the door, grab him be gone, but Boo would be like, nah. Yeah. Because you know me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not, I can't let that sit there that long. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he was one of the ones that I was going to just put the house on. Right. Right. Right. Like, nah, nah, chill man, it's going to fuck me up. I'm like, nigga, let's like, yeah.

Like, I'm ready to, I'm ready to start fighting for it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? But that was Boo's baby at the point. I can't, I can only move, but so far without, you know, making it look like me and my brothers at odds of them. Yeah, right. Because I know Boo got a vision of what he wanted it to be.

I just felt like it could be bigger. Well, it be as big also as an artist and not just the ghost writer. Yeah. No, I hear that. I mean, even Saha's genius outside of him. I love that. His simplicity in writing, too. Writing for Travis, I might take all my exes, put him in a group.

Like simplicity shit, he smokes too. The niggas is the biggest threat in hip-hop, bro. I promise you. Yeah. No, I, we feel the same way. is a different room he's an alien before we let you go

I was listening I think it was Juan Epstein and Cardinal where he was saying how much of a fan Michael Jackson was of you how much Michael loved you did you see the Michael Jackson

movie? Yeah I saw it what were your thoughts I liked the movie I like that they actually You hear that Rory? No I liked it because let me explain something

somebody is big as Mike and his legacy and how he created bro what Mike did for black people globally knowing we could never repair he's the reason why everybody in Asia won a black man

Mike is amazing hey God I wasn't expecting you to tie that in I thought we was good I was waiting to get my talking to and everything I didn't know we were going to take a sharp left he was staring at my eyes I was like all right my wife's about to get a lesson He said,

they want a black man. We treated like realty because of Michael Jackson. Because Michael Jackson. Because Michael Jackson. Yeah. Now, but Mike, bro, his contribution to our art just as a people

is like, my biggest fear was them trying to highlight all that negative shit that's I know to be fact of false. Yeah. He's a lot of shit. So I didn't want that to be his legacy. Right. So when I saw the movie to where

he, he'd he said, sprinkled on him as a human being, it felt good to watch that. Yeah. Yeah, I was, I'm with you on the, um, the side of, of not highlighting stuff that I, I truly believe was completely false on Mike. I just thought there could have been more of a human script amongst the family, more or less. Like, I think they focused on the performances, which they smoked. Right.

They did incredible with that. But I've seen those performances for real. Right. So that's the thing. It's like, I can, I can watch this on YouTube right now in fucking 4K. Right. I wanted more of the human side. But there's another part coming, though.

But that's what I'm saying. I didn't want to get a negative shit. I just want to see more of the human side of Mike. That was my biggest critique. Well, I mean, the thing is, so for something like that, the choice should have been, okay, let's do a miniseries. Because Mike's life has told. His story can't be told about our house.

Season one needs to be Gary in the end. Like, you can't even leave Gary before. One hundred. You know what I'm saying? But I think this is the beginning of what they plan to do. Like, the way I look at it, If I'm not mistaken, if they're looking from a business perspective, this movie will trigger these conversations to create, whether it's a Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Apple Music, type of storyline that is multiple seasons, multiple. It has to happen.

Yeah. It has to happen. Yeah. It's too much. Yeah. It's nothing you can do. We need seasons. Yes.

We need seasons. What was that even like the day you found out Michael Jackson was a fan of you? No, I mean, I couldn't believe it. Like, honestly. I really couldn't. But honestly, that was a day when I realized,

okay, I'm special. As you fucking Michael Jackson think I'm good, I'm special. I'm somebody. I'm sorry.

This is an arroganceism. This is an arrogant. Mike said I'm dope. Mike said I'm dope. Fuck what John talked about. I'm dope. That's a fact. I'm special, bro.

Acon, let them know where they could catch you in Neo at, man. Man, man, go on my ACON.com. Acon at, I mean,

at Acon on all my socials. Our schedule is right there. Top of the line. Yeah, coming out to catch you. I was, I was, I was going to go to London to see you out there, but I couldn't make that one. Yeah, I heard great things. I heard London was incredible. Him and Nio's. Yeah, not a show is crazy. Yeah, we're going to catch you. Definitely catch a show. My brother, we thank you for coming through. My pleasure to finally have you in the studio. Anytime you're back in the

city you want to come through. Man, you already know. The door is open for you, man. We appreciate everything you've given us over the years and good luck on the road. You and Neo, take that shit up. You know we will. That's Acon. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. We'll talk to y'all soon. Peace. It's that time to put on your jersey and wave your flag, whoever you root for. Why do I watch the World Cup? That's like asking me, why do I breed? And it's beautiful. The guys are young and cute and fit.

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