New Rory & MAL - Episode 510 | Jamal Jerome Tyrone

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

Happy Fathers’ Day! The crew shares about how they spent their Fathers’ Day, as well as Juneteenth Weekend. The internet loses its mind after Beyonce releases a vlog documenting Jay’s hair transformation, and Dame Dash takes shots at Jay and Cam’ron on his new song “Cheap Teeth”. The guys apologize to Yung Miami, for not seeing the vision for “Spend Dat”, as it peaks at #34 on Billboard, which leads to a conversation about songs that have changed with perception. Baby D finds out that Clive Davis is white, and the crew talks about names that are going out of style. Kyle Dion stops by the show to talk about his new album, SZA’s comments on AI music, and much more! All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-forever Bask & Lather: Use code RORYANDMAL for 20% offSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're welcome. Just chill. Just vibe. Just get out. I don't know how to do that, man. Yo, what's popping? We back. It's not in my caucus DNA to just like relax. You got to relax, man. Gotta relax. You've seen us dance.

We're very stiff. We don't know how to do that. Well, we are back. That we are. Good to see everybody. Yes. Happy. Very, uh, very chill, very calm weekend.

Yeah. Happy Father's Day to all of the fathers. Absolutely. Out there. Let's clap for the fathers that are here. The real fathers. Real fathers. Not the ones that just have kids.

The real fathers. Yes. Yes. It seemed, uh, it was actually, I was in the city. It was kind of a calm father's day. It was a very calm Father's Day. I was like moving around a little bit. And I was like, well, that's no traffic. It's no restaurant you can walk right in. Well, Mother's Day, you can't do that. Of course. Because I mean, if, if the father has the choice, because a lot of mothers will make Father's Day about themselves. But if a father has a choice,

it's not to go to brunch. No. Like, no, I don't want to go pay for overpriced eggs and wait in line. No, that's a Mother's Day thing because they want to go out and be celebrated. My father wants to be left alone. So that's why the streets are clear. Or at the crib, a little barbecue, something like that in the house. Something that I'm not going to have to pay for or wait in line for. I saw Demaris as being a great, great daughter. Yeah, I'm the best.

She was on the grill. She was in the kitchen, just doing things that women are supposed to be doing. Did the grilling? Yeah. Grilling and chilling? Grow some stuff, cook some stuff. I know you said father's like being left alone, but my dad always wants to be with his kids. on Father's Day.

I meant more to what Mall was saying. Like, left alone as far as don't plan activities that I now have to do. We could be at the house. Like, let's all kick it as a family and just chill. Yeah. So he just wanted to spend time with me. My older sister came over. We laid out on the grass and dug our feet into the earth, grounded, smokes some,

well, they smoke, smoke some weed. I made dirty martinis cooked. It was great. He really, really loved his father's day. That's dope. Yeah. You're such a great daughter, DeMaris. I know.

Thank you. That's something I really take pride in. you know one day a year it's all about him oh in his birthday just one day one day one day yeah the man that gave you life revolves around me every other day given life mad easy by the way given life is not mad easy what do you talking about it's not every day that don't mean giving life no making life is mad easy making life i watched what kea went through on that table that shit did not look easy oh yeah no but we talk about father's nothing is easy that shit take as one two three nah not really though it depends nothing not easy

No. I'm not mad easy. Being a father is not easy. Like being a dad is not easy, but like the life part. The life part is easy. You had them before Mara. Life part is mad easy. They started really popping out when tomorrow was born. I had like one or two. Oh my God. It's mad of them now. Yeah. You old as fuck. I never saw that before. I'm telling you. That's what fatherhood does. No, but the gray is really sure when you've been outside in the sun, though. You was outside. to you. Yeah. Because that's like your version of a tan.

True. Yeah. When I do the just for men, I don't want any judgments. I don't care. I'm not going to hide it. You're going to buy it in orange? Why would you just for an orange? Why would you just for me in it, though?

Nah, you can't do that. I think salt and pepper looks cool. I don't know if ketchup and salt looks cool. Like, I think the salt and pepper look, men can get off and women find it very attractive. I don't know if it's the same way with redheads. We look a little weird. We look a little weird. Redhead men with gray hair.

And I've noticed. every redhead that like looks like me like bill berbman we all get the grays in like one single patch right here and it looks weird i'm not against just dying the shit i'm really not you would you would just for a minute you would you would die uh yeah is there other products i mean it's just for men the only one i don't know i've never i had to talk to my i've never i don't really i don't really like it either you know you could just not have the beard cut the beard all i would i would look like a pedophile no no no no get the just for man yeah yeah if it's cut the beard all

No, I don't see, this is a, like, just for everyone's safety. You, what is up with, like, this thing where, like, beers have become, like, a necessity? Like, I missed back in a day when people were clean, shaving in the face. Like, yeah, when you're in your 20s, yeah. No, even when you're in your 30s and 40s,

like, if you have a nice face, like, why do you need a beer? I just think it just looks a little weird if you have, like, a full face of hair and then, like, you shave it all off. It's just a little weird. Like, if you, I mean, if y'all face car hit, don't hit, like, just say that, but, like. No, I have great bone structure. I look max pretty well.

A man said he has great bone structures. I'm going to wait for the word to you because I can't say it. I'm making peaches job harder. What's the clavicle? That weirdo? Curricular? Yeah, like what he's trying to achieve, I naturally have, like, if you go to my Instagram and look at my younger photos when I don't have a beard, this is chiseled, my friend.

This is, yeah, but I like my beard. You got a chin like Jim Carrey, me, myself. and Irene when you went like. Hang thought you had a weak chin. Yo, that movie is so funny. We don't talk about me myself and Irene enough. Yo. That movie is so fucking funny.

Fucking classic, man. That is a classic movie, without a doubt. Yo, man. Yeah, now, I hope you got to chin like that under that hair. You good, man. No, I could pull off the no beard, but I like my beard. Yeah. It's cool.

I mean, but I'm just saying if it turns white, like you're really going to die that shit orange because what if you can't match the exact color? I mean, we'll cross that bridge after my barber puts it in my beard. Yeah, you got to get like an, like an ombre. Ombre and like an orange and kind of mix it together. You need like a like an orange gloss to go. It's like a bit, but you know you do mayo ketchup.

Yeah. Mio ketchup Mayo. Special sauce at every spot. Yeah, you got to do. Aeoli color. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You got to get the a. But it's beer. But I mean all like hair growth and all that comes from your mother's side, right? Isn't that what it is? Yeah. Yes. You guys have seen my mom.

She doesn't die her hair. That red is chilling. I have more gray's than my mom. Do you really? Wow. Yeah, my mom doesn't die her hair and she has still red hair. Yeah. Like maybe one or two, she'll pull out.

Yeah, but it's not gray. No. I can't do the just for men. I just, I can't do it. You don't get enhancements when you get your haircut? What? Enhancements. What kind of enhancement?

What are you talking about? Like, when niggas get this, oh my God, the spray. Like, you know, when they clean up the lines. Fuck, no. I would choke my barber with his clip of cord if he ever tried to do that. Did they make Beijing in Ginger? I'm sure they do. Yeah.

You, getting the red Beijing would be fucking that is crazy. Bro, I was out of date with a man one time and some black shit started like running down his face. I was like, you got black stuff on your face. What is that? And then like my home girl had to put me out like, oh, girl, he probably had enhancements of his hair. Like, it was running down his face because it was hot. Nah, never. I would never do no shit like that.

You're so lucky. You had such a good hairline. I would never do that. Like, enhancements. I wouldn't even just from in my beard. I wouldn't even do that. Like, I'm not doing that. Just let it go on.

Says someone that has a blessed hairline and no grays. Like, you don't know what you're doing until it happens. I got grays. I got grays. He got just about damn there as many of you. As compared to most people, I'm actually have less grays than most people my age. I'm saying I can't speak for people that started graying and balding when they were

22 years old. Yeah, that's a different type of struggle. Going bald in your 20s is crazy. Yeah, I know a couple of things. No, it happens. So I really can't. I feel like that has something to do. I can't judge them because I don't know what that's like.

I could never imagine me in 23 and my hair line is back here. I wouldn't know what to do. I may take some precautions and get some enhancements. I know a lot of that is genetics, but I feel like like dudes didn't wash and like condition their head. They don't treat their scalps good. Well, a lot of it is a redatory, but yes, if you don't take care of your hair. I get it. A lot of it is genetics.

But I just be feeling like, yo, bro, you don't balsh and you don't scrub your scalp. You don't stimulate the follicles in your head. It's a lot of things. You wear that hat when we play a ball. I was about to say it's that hat. It's that hat. You play basketball in the hat. Hooping in the hat.

Rim of the hat, filthy. Yeah, like you do, I watch you do everything in that hat. Like, Finn. We're in the pool. You went underwater. Yeah, like, Finn. It's a lot of that. I know it's genetics, but it's also a lot about lifestyle as well.

Yeah. Look at the lining of your hat. Yeah. That's also happening to your hat. scalp. Yeah. So yeah, I hear you. The salt, the salt, the salt rim. Yeah. Oh, what is that. That's what if you don't sweat and it dries up. That happens. I've never seen that shit in my life. I'm like to grow up. That's disgusting. That's super normal with that. Yeah. That's when you're doing like, I don't know what activity you've done in the hat where you sweat like that. Like at that point,

just take the hat off. Word. That's disgusting. I've never seen that before. It goes Rory right there. That's me. Yeah. That's before I got the enhancements. You don't get an enhancement for? No, I don't even know what an enhancement is. What do it? If I go ask Willis, I said. The spread, like when they're doing your hair line, like, you ever seen the Dominicans and their hairline be mad, crisp?

Yes. It's because they put a little ruler and they spray. I've seen that happen at my barbershop, but I don't think they make it in ginger. I've never seen a ginger get that before. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen that either. Like, I don't think Travis Kelsey is going to his barber and get the spray. Maybe you and like belly gang Cushington might change. the market on that.

He probably knows where the ginger Beijing is for the yeah. Yeah. Because he gets like a, he gets a, you know, shape up like the brothers. So they've been giving it to kids. Now I'll be saying kids get enhancements. You don't need that. You don't need, but a lot of barber license taking a lot of barbers do it

automatically for that. Some people are giving other enhancements to their children, which I disagree with. But I'm, are we going there? Wait. I know that's my favorite topic. I know that's your favorite. I go there. I love going there.

I'm fine with the bar for, can we talk about the other enhancements? that they're doing to children. We could go there if you want to go there. We're not going to go there. Let's stay in the hair world. Is it just Nicki Minaj fans or is the internet really this pressed about Jay-Z's hair?

Everything Jay-Z these days is like a topic. Am I just in a barb algorithm today? It's the internet. Because the outrage and caring after Beyonce put out this seven-minute video of how Hove took his locks out, I feel like we're really in the movie

like the movie idiocracy. Like, I cannot believe this is a topic today. It's a topic. But is it just Barb's? No, or is this like a topic with like sane human beings? I feel, well, sane is subjective.

But I feel like it's a topic only because, um, obviously it's, you know, two of the biggest figures that we have from our culture, two of the biggest figures in entertainment. And, um,

it was a talking point because, again, you know, when the whole roots, festival happened and Jay came out with the Afro. A lot of people were speculating whether it was a wig, what happened to the wicks and things like that. Beyonce does have a hair care line now with sacred.

So I think they took this as an opportunity to kind of like, okay, you know, we're going to show you that we use the product ourselves. If we're not just selling a product, we actually use it. And I think that this put to rest a lot of the questions that people were having regarding Jay's hair. on stage that night. Like they just documented the hair journey. Yeah.

Which, I mean, I think was a brilliant marketing tool. And I still don't understand how you guys are so shocked and outrage that Jayzee and Biontzee sell things. That's, that's, they said everything. Look at them selling products. Yeah. I mean, they're a businessman and a businesswoman. They said everything is for content.

Everything is for capitalism. Oh, welcome to America. It's only the Carter's doing that. Speaking of, we're signing for our. Patreon.com for slash New Royal Mall. We also have merch available as well. Shout out to Boost Mobile. But we're not those people.

We don't sell it. What? How the fuck could Jay-Z and Beyonce try to sell a hair care product and put out a video? The fucking nerve of these people. But we need hair care, right? That's something that we need. We need entertainment.

We need music, right? They give us that. Mind you, everybody says that sacred works. Like, sacred doesn't get like bad. Have you used it yet? I use sacred regularly. I use the nourishing hair oil and I use the hair drops.

I love it. Yeah, you see the difference in the... I do. They have really good. Their deep conditioner is great with slip and this, I'm not paid for this. This is, I was not given free sacred products. I buy my sacred products and they're expensive. I buy them, but they fucking work.

Do they have like a good leaving, a moisturizer conditioner? Not, they do, I'm sure, but I don't use that. I can only speak for what I use and what I use is... I need a good leaving. Baskin leather. Baskin leather. They have a basking leather that has a good leaving condition. They do.

I need a good leaving after I wash my hair and I, you know, just let the air dry. Try the do, the do products. The do? And Baskin Lather as well. D-O-U-X and Baskin-Lather. And Baskin-Lather. Baskin-Lather, I've tried. I've tried the condition.

Okay. Did you guys see the seven-minute video that Biont put together? I don't think I saw the full seven minutes. I saw quite a bit. But I saw some clips of it, yes. Wow, look at our attention, man. You saw clips of a clip.

Seven minutes. Yeah. So like a two-minute video of it. Well, yeah. I mean, it started with Beyonce explaining why J even started to grow his hair out was because Blue was feeling a little insecure about her. hers. So he went and did that because they have the same hair texture and to show it that,

you know, it's beautiful, which I thought was great. Then discussing, I think what was it, seven years he's had growing his hair out, seven or eight years. Yes, maybe a little longer than that. Beyonce was saying that Jay's father, his favorite team was the Sixers and always had an Afro. So for Philly, he thought it would be a good idea to pay tribute to his pops and do the fro. Respect. Which the only barb comment I did actually laugh at. was, nah, he's told us his pops left like 35 times. I saw that and I left.

You can still honor your parent, even if you have disagreements with them when they were here. That's still okay. You can still choose to honor your parents. Yes, I'm sure Jay is still not the biggest fan of his pops, but he is also discussed being at his funeral and things of that nature. So no, I didn't think it's crazy that he wanted to do that in Philly based off his family's lineage.

Yes. But I don't know, do you guys feel like this, they did this outside of, the capitalistic portion of it, but to reply to everyone saying there's no way he took his locks out in that time. Again, I don't know any. I think that was a lot of things.

That covered a lot of basis. I think this video covered a lot of that. Like a lot of people that were, you know, again, they won the side of, you know, did he cut his hair? Was it a wig this whole time? He's wearing a lace front. I thought the people thinking that Jay would ever put

on the lace front wig for years and walking around with it was absolutely hilarious. But yeah, I mean, it's, again, I think that it's it ties in. It's a product that obviously, you know, Beyonce and, you know, the car is own, but a product that they also use, a product that works, a product that is great for your hair, especially for our type of hair. So why not document it and show us that, you know, Jay, not only are they selling it, but

they're using it. It's actually a product that they use. So I don't think it's nothing wrong with that, man. If it's a great product and it works, you know, what's the problem? Does he keep, I know we had this conversation already, but now that the hair has become such a talking piece and there is this video slash commercial lifestyle,

does he keep it? The hair out, the fro? I think he keeps it for a while. I think he keeps it. Pause. Pause. I thought Jay looked great with the cornrows. He looks adorable.

Adorable. He does. Like, I don't know if that would really fit the reasonable, doubt blueprint thing that we were talking about with the dark caesar but i thought jay look the braids look great corn rolls under the fitted like yeah fire that's very 96 to 03ish yeah i think the cornrows be cool god can i favorite rapper please release some new music so people could stop talking about this fucking hair like i like the because if he released the music they're

gonna say see see it's the hair that's why he can't rap the same as the hair you're paying too much attention to the hair. He's focusing on too much moisturizer. The lyrics ain't landing the same. Like, you know they're going to find a way to tie it all in. You know that. I saw that Jay also announced those two pop-up shows. Can we find the dates for those? There's one in Dumbo

and then one in downtown Manhattan. I didn't say that. Yeah. Oh, my God. I don't never get to go nowhere good. If only we knew someone related. Let's pick this side. I mean, nowhere. I told Biggs, I'm your brother now.

Manhattan and Brooklyn, June 25th. So two pop-ups in one day. It's June 22nd. So that is this Thursday. So, all, should we record early? What time should we meet? Are we going to do both? That shit going to be like the Knicks parade, bro.

You might as well stay home. I never even think about going to shit like this. No, that never crosses my mind. The pop-up stuff is, yeah, it's a little too. It's going to be hectic. I don't even care if you haven't a fucking escort with security and you're on the list.

It's still going to be a nightmare trying to get into that bitch. Yeah, I stay away from all of those types of events. Yeah, I hear you. But I mean, I think that is cool that he's doing two pop-ups in one day. I mean, he had to after cheap teeth came out.

Like, because that's career ending in my opinion. Like, you got to, after I heard it, I was like, damn, is he even going to show up to the Yankee Stadium shows? Like, after being humiliated that way, can you even show your, face anymore?

I need somebody to tell me. Because now I'm thinking is cinnamon doo-doo. That's all I'm thinking about. I need to, I need someone to tell me if Dane is in the most respectful way just trolling us to hell because he likes the attention or if something

is actually wrong because I don't know him personally because there's no way that this is serious. So that's why I'm confused. You can't have this much talent and knowledge of talent and do shit like this. You got to be just be having fun and like being childish. or something's wrong.

Yeah, I don't know, man. At this point, I'm, you know, I don't know, like you said, I don't know if it's trolling. I don't know if it's, you know, any type of seriousness to this. I think Dame is just doing what, you know, he wants to do anything that he feels like doing, he's doing it. I just don't see the point of it. I mean, that's more the side I'm on.

Like, you can have fun and live life and, you know, do the things that you like to do. I just don't know why this would be one of those things that you decide. You know what I'm saying? It's just like this. It's like, why this? I just, I don't understand it. Isn't an addiction, an addiction to attention?

Um, yeah, I think, I think wanting attention is a part of it. I think that, you know, I think Dame understands, uh, that a lot of the times when he does something, you know, the virality of it, it's going to be everywhere. It's going to be clipped up everywhere. Everybody's going to be posting it. Dame doesn't need to do this for attention. This, no, he doesn't need it. Even if, let's say hypothetically, because we don't know that. I don't know if Dame is addicted to attention. He doesn't need to do this to get attention. He doesn't need to do this. No, he doesn't need to do this. Again, I just don't, you know, I don't see the point of it. Like, it's just pointless to me. And it's, it's embarrassing. Honestly, it's like, you know,

I get it. You want to do your thing and whatever you feel like doing. And, you know, I get all of that, but it's, this is, this is, this is like, cringe to watch. Just like, I, man, like, I get it. You and Jay, obviously, are in a space where you will never be, you know, where you once were. I think we all know that. The situation with him and Cam, you know, I think that's at a space now where they may never be where they once were.

But at the same time, I don't think a lot of people even really care. anymore. Like I don't think people care if Cam and Dame are friends anymore. I don't think people care if Jay and Dame are friends anymore. I think that, you know, people are past that. Dame should be past it as well. And to be fair, you know, a lot of the times when Dame is talking about Jay in certain interviews, it's people bringing Jay up asking them questions. It's part of a story. Yeah, so I get that. He knows he's going to be asked about that though because otherwise why are they interviewing? Dame, well, there's other things to interview.

But having such a significant part of your story be with a company you started with another very famous person. Of course it's

going to get brought up. But people are not bringing Dame on to talk about just his past with Jay. He's had, Dame has done a

million interviews. There's nothing else to interview Dame about that has not already been said. When people are bringing Dame on for interviews,

it's to get a viral moment of him saying something crazy. Not to get like the real story or to get like his real in-depth knowledge. He's been interviewed by a million people.

What I'm saying is now, like, at this point, people are bringing you on for clickbait. Yeah. There's nothing else to interview about it. I think now, at this point, I think Dame is a participant in that same strategy.

You don't think that world star, I don't even know what to call it, was not for clickbait. Because even Dame on Cam Capone today said, no one should take that seriously. He was on where? Cam Capone.

Okay. Which is a great YouTube platform for Outta Camp Comaum. He was like, no one should take it seriously. But also in the same breath said it was a hit record. And that Oskino made a hit record. And no disrespect to Oskino whatsoever. I actually didn't even mind Oskino's response over the Drake Beat. But, damn, you've made hit records before.

Don't call it Oskino freestyle and cheap teeth. Yo, we just thought everyone was asleep, so we decide to make a hit record. Yeah, you trollers. Let me see the sound scale. trolling he is trolling but sometimes I think Dame and this is just outside looking in

I don't know I think he's starting to get into that like Batman dark night theory about the Joker like I think he's really starting to become the character

even if he thinks he's trolling I think he can't even find the gray area in his brain because At one point he probably thought this was trolling. But while he was performing that shit, I think he believed that this was hot. Like,

I think he's starting to believe the character that he's becoming with the trolling on the internet. Right. And can't decipher the two things. The way maybe he could have when he was younger and was playing, I mean, especially playing the media mogul that he was.

But he even admitted, like he would turn on and become the mogul when it was time to yell at people. Like, that was part of his strategy, which I thought was a good strategy for people that may have been fucking with his company. But he admitted that that was a character that he would turn on. I think it's the same thing here, but it's no longer the positive mogul that he was.

It is now the troll and he's starting to believe his own trolling. If that makes any sense. I think he's lost himself in the character of trolling now as opposed to losing himself in the amazing businessman that he always has been. And I'm still saying, I think that the CEO country club, that should look cool. Up in the Catskills. That's fly to me. That's dope.

And I'm not saying Dane doesn't have other companies and isn't a good business man. I just think he's becoming a caricature of someone that he would pull aside and say, what are you doing? Yeah. The fuck you're doing. Because this isn't land, like, what's this for?

Like when Jay replied to everyone on stage, it was a purpose. People have been talking about me for a decade. I'm about to reply to all you in one fucking minute. Tired of y'all talking? Here's my response. But not only that. I don't think Jay watched this and was like,

damn, what am I going to say? I think he watched this and went, yo, I was right. Thank God. But not only that, then you have your artist that is now chiming in on it. You know what I'm saying?

That's when it's like, if it's just you... Hip hop has always done that, though. Even like, I watch... This is a hip-hop, though. And he said, which I know to be true from everyone else that was around there.

When it was time to disownaz, yeah, everyone from State property, they didn't know Nas. They went in distilled. You're not comparing this. You're not comparing the state property. I'm not comparing state property to Knives to Nikki Licky dissing JZ. I'm just saying it's not the first time people have taken artists.

Back to what I'm saying. What is this? I don't know. I don't know. I had secondhand embarrassment. And if you see the comments, it actually shows the amount of respect everyone has for Dame Dash in his career. Because everyone is just shaking their head like, damn. I don't even like seeing this.

Yeah. It's sad. It's not even people clown. It's people disappointed. But it's to the point that was. Because we all have so much respect. We don't want to, we don't even want to, we don't even care to see or hear any of this anymore. It's at that point now.

It's like, all right, man. We get it. But it's like we, we don't need the world star on the radar. Like, we don't need that. I just see that people are motivated by different things. And I always just want to make this about Dame in life. Because there's no way the person that I came up with business wise becomes who he becomes. And I'm okay doing this shit in public.

Like, either I'm going to disappear. forever or I'm going to be motivated to come back and do my best to like make a nigga respect me like I don't I don't know maybe that's just my brain but embarrassment motivates me that is just like nah like I'm cool being a clown one of my favorite combat jack episodes ever was the first dame dash one it's one of one of my favorite podcast episodes period in all of podcasting I think that dame compared to the one that I'm looking at now is a contradiction of everything that he said in that combat jack interview.

Dame was the most grounded, most intelligent, I don't want to say non-corny, but because Dame has always been such a director of taste, rightfully so, I can't see how that same person with that taste level that we all think is incredible could be okay with doing that. Yeah, no, it's a lot of this. It's a different person that I admired.

A lot of this goes against what Dame is about and has preached. It's not tasteful. It's not cool. It's not fly. It's not any of those things that Dame has sat back for years and did a great job at curating.

You know, when it comes to being cool and fly and, you know what I'm saying? and shit that was tasteful and shit creating something that was, you know, something that people enjoyed. Like, this is the total opposite of all of those things. So to see him doing it, to me, that's why I'm just like, while I get it, you had a stage in your life where you just want to do what you want to do, it's still, you know, it has to be at a certain level of just, like,

tastefulness and cool and, like, none of this is any of that. So that's why I'm looking at it, like, you know, I didn't even watch it. Like, you know, when you watch something that's somebody that you know, you're just like, I can't look at that, man, because I just... I watched it twice because the first time I didn't believe it. It's like secondhand embarrassment. You know what I'm saying? This is something like, I can't watch Dame do that, man.

I got too much, you know, love and respect for Dame to watch things like that. Now, I'll see like the first couple seconds of it and just laugh and turn it off. Like, like, all right, man, this is where you at? Like, I don't want to, you know, it's just unfortunate because, again, Dane was somebody that we always looked at that was just the curate of cool shit. And you know what I'm saying? It's like, he was one of the older guys that we looked at that was just like, yo, he's aging. And in a way it was like, okay, like you can age and still be cool and still have style and still, you know, have taste and things like that.

And this is just like, this is like the embarrassing uncle at the cookout that's just like had too much corn liquor. Like it's like. Corn liquor is crazy. You don't got a stash. Ungot in the stash. Got the moonshaw? Yeah, he had the grill going crazy. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it's just like, it almost feels like that, man. It's like, come on, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? We got love and respect for Dame. So we don't want to, we don't want to see him go out like that. But yeah. I think it's at that point where he just don't, Dane was just like, fuck, he don't give a fuck, man.

He's definitely in his, I don't give a fuck ever. 100%. He's all the way. He's all the way. He's all the way in. Yeah. He's all the way in. He's all the way in.

and he's the joker at this point. Yeah, he's all the way in his. He's a ledger believing that he's the character right now. Yes, like. 1,000%. And don't, you don't realize that that's a movie. You're not that character off the fucking screen. How my man said in, uh,

and what's one of our favorite movies with, uh, with a Ben Stiller? Uh, which one? Tropic, Tropic, Tropic Thunder. Oh, a dude playing a dude dresses another dude? Nah, no, no, not even that one. Never go full retard. You never go full retard.

You know that. You never go all the way, bro. You don't go all in on the character. You don't do that. Because then you can't come back. It's hard. It's hard to come back when it's over. It's hard to be like,

nah, that was just a character I created. But you can't go all the way. He did go. He went Simple Jack on that whole freestyle. This is what I'm saying. You went all away. You were Simple Jack.

You went all away Simple Dane. You all in. And that's why I's just like, I can't watch that shit, man. It's just, it's embarrassing. And then, you know. I mean, listen, I would love to do an episode with Dame if it was okay with certain people that I respect and I would never disrespect them if they didn't want us to ever have them on here. But I still do admire Dame and maybe there's a method to the madness that I'm not aware of.

And that is something I would like to talk to them about because I have that much respect for Dame Dash. I'm the opposite. it. I want to talk to the name off camera. I can say, well, I don't, you have a way long, I don't know. Yeah, I don't, you grew up with day. Yeah, I don't want to talk. I want to talk off camera. That makes more sense. I understand. What's up, man. Like, like you said, because maybe it's a method.

Maybe it's something that we don't know. And it's just like, I, once we get that part of it from, it's like, okay, a little more understanding there. I still think it's, could it be done in a more tasteful way. I don't think you have to be on mic, on mic, rapping and singing and dancing. I don't think you have to be doing that, you know what I mean? But, you know, I would like to have just a conversation with Dame off camera. I don't, it don't need to be on camera for me. Like, I don't need that.

Okay. How would you feel if I reached out to Dame myself and asked him to do cheap teeth on my car, It's Beautiful? If that's what you want to. If that's your journey and that's what you see, you know what I mean? Like, that's where you see the vision. You can EP that. You know what I'm never going to step on your EP.

You could EP that. Yeah, you can EP that. If that's how you feel, listen, bro. You know what I'm saying? Just years from that when we're doing the doc, I'll sit down like that was a terrible idea. I told him that was terrible back then. See, that was a two-track with World Star.

You know how musically- You didn't really get into the stems. I would have, I'd bring a live band in for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want the stems for it. You want to go in there and like, okay, I get it. You heard the synth on cheap teeth? Yeah, yeah. That needs to be live.

Yeah, they should have turned that up. That part needed to be turned up a little bit more. But yeah, man, I don't know. Again, I still have a sense of love and respect for Dane. But again, I don't want to see him doing shit like this. I just don't want to see that. I know you would never speak about it or even admit that you know, but I would love to see the family group chat on days like this.

Just for the last. Nothing malicious. Just for the last. That's all. Yeah, it was very interesting to say to least. It was a lot of, oh, okay. All right. Yeah.

All right. Cool. I guess I just as a fan expected everyone, age the way Biggs is. Because that's how I viewed everybody from that era. As cool as Biggs and how Biggs

is aging right now. Biggs has always shot away from attention and, you know, he never wanted his notoriety. He didn't care about that. He was more so just you know, behind the scenes. He always wanted to play that role. But I'm saying age. He stepped out. Aging, I thought everyone would go.

He stepped out in front of the camera a lot later on. You know, like, you know, recently as a few years ago he's doing a lot of I mean coming out of jail he was launching new companies like you gotta start promoting so he denoted that but that was the first time in a long time that a lot of people I've even heard him really speak

for a lengthy period of time and definitely do interviews and shit like that but not Biggs don't care about that type of shit he's definitely the ghost in the shadow he'd rather play that role yeah and Happy Father's Day to Biggs as well absolutely I finally got through to Mall

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times I can apologize. You never apologized. You never apologized. You never apologized. What was the apology? What happened? What did I do

Miami. Oh, we apologizing to Young Miami? For spending that. Why we apologized? Because you did your, you did your little sarcastic thing that you do like, yeah, nah, it's the hit. Like, yo, you think Young Miami going to win a Grammy? Like that, that little sarcastic bullshit that you do? Respectfully. I think you misunderstood what Maul and I were talking about. We were not saying that that song wasn't good. We were laughing at Joe and Jada. Yeah. Not the song. And we love Jada.

Love of respect, but I'm sure Jada's laughed at us before. It's okay. You're laughing at it. If it was a song that you thought was fire and they were reacting like that, you would have not laughed at them. That was the point of laugh. I was not expecting Joe and Jada to react to the record the way that they reacted. So if anything, maybe I owe an apology to Joe and Jada, not to Young Miami.

Because I've never said the song was bad. It's clearly a hit. Very catchy. that was weird. You said that. More worried did not. All right. Four years ago,

if sexy red came in here and played us a booty hole brown and Maul was standing on the couches when she played it. Am I allowed to laugh at Mall? They did not stand on the couches.

They just sat up there and bob their head. Like we do to music that we think is fire every day. And trash. Okay, yeah. Sure.

We've done it to music we think it's trash too. But we do that to music we think is fire every day. But y'all don't say anything. But it was a thing because you didn't, like, you didn't agree that the song was fire. That's why it was such a thing that they were just sitting up there nod in their head to the song. I've never even seen Jada smile like that when Stiles performs, uh, hi.

Like, I've never seen, I've never seen Jada ear to ear the way. Yes, we were laughing at that. He just said it, Bob and this is regular. This is, it's, this is, but this, we ain't going to get on this mic and be disingenuous. We're not going to do that. about me now. Y'all thought this, you thought the song was trash.

The fact that they were bobbing to it, the fact that they were bobbing to it, like that they bobbed the music all the fucking time. The fact that they were bobbing to it like that. Young Miami was there. She looks good. Like, you're not going to be, she ain't going to be in the studio looking like that.

And we're going to be in a studio looking like that's trash. No, niggas doing that. Every nigga going to do that. Every nigga going to do the same thing. Like, nah, that's shit hard. Okay. Okay. If we change this one apology to Joe and Jada,

they heard, they heard the potential for the song. They did. They were right. They were both hitmakers. And they were right because of the song of the summer. No one said it was a bad song. It's officially song of the summer.

It is. This is the song of the summer? Yeah. This is a bad. I think is probably. As a person who's outside. Yeah. No, shit's going crazy.

That is the song of the summer. I've been to multiple parties. The loudest reaction comes from that song. From women and men alike. When you have a song of the summer that the women and the men scream to the top of their lungs, it was niggas holding up go yard bags in the party I was at. Well, that's a, That's a large issue.

What type of party were you at? I was at a regular hip-hop party. Niggas had like the goyard like side bags full of money and we're holding them up. Like it's, this is the song. That's the party I don't want to be at. But I believe you. Yeah. That's the song of the summer.

Okay. I thought it was going to be Shabang for a while too. And Shabang does go off. But that song. Not Janice? The way the, um, sing Janus, shut the fuck up to me one more time. Which one is that? Which how does the course go?

Be be baby Yeah it goes off no The Drake's the whole album goes off It's not about that I'm talking about the one that Everybody in the establishment screams is Spennette

Spennette I'm telling you It's the song of the summer The way the Knicks Respond to it is the way Everybody responds to it outside You know we agree with you No

Nobody said you I said it was a catch As soon as I heard it It's a great record Yeah It's between that Shebang Janice and Cheapteef

Those are the four for the summer. Chief is catching steam out there. It's catching... It's a slow burn. Yeah, yeah, it's a slow burn. Chief is a slow burn.

It's going to catch steam, though. Wait till it hits FIFA. Yeah, 4th of July? Oh, God. Watch what it does on the 4th. The 4th. That's what they were waiting on? Yeah, yeah, the 4th of July when everybody's outside.

My point in bringing that up is, do you think that reception changes the way that people hear a song? Because some people can hear a song and be like, I don't like that song. But then when they... I said it was very catchy as soon as I heard it. Yeah, you did. But a lot of people, a lot of people made fun of Miami and said that it was a bad song. And in the moment, it became like a hit.

It's climbing up the charts. It's like, it's her first top 40 song. By the way, people can hate a hit. I just want to make like, oh, yeah. No, for sure. But what I'm saying is I, people can change, I see people change their reception on how good a song is when it starts to become a hit. Yeah. Do you, have you ever done that?

Do you think that you do that as well? Oh, I mean, before streaming when you lived on the radio, there's been plenty of songs that ended up being hits that, I'm not saying they programmed it into my brain, but yeah. Me and you got to an argument about Lafie Taffy at the Hooker Lounge, and I told you how Luffy Taffy is a horrible song. I don't care how famous it is. I told you all that with that Jello Ball record that you thought was incredible.

I still think that song. I still think that song. I still like that shit is garbage. That shit was garbage. I think the global relationship was just another terrible version of that. But yeah, that first record was good. That shit was trash. But as, I mean, hits can be trash.

100%. I agree with that statement. I agree with that statement. In the hookah spot, like, if somebody said, yes, musically, laughy-taffy is not a good, it's not all about the Benjamins. It's a horrible song. But the nostalgic part of it,

the age I was when it came out, the memories and moments I had with that record, it makes it a good song to me. It's not a good song though. Like if you hear that in 2026, you'd be like, wait, this is what the fuck I was listening to? But that was, and that was my point. Good music is timeless.

Like something could be nostalgic, but it's still a bad song. It was a bad song. It was a bad song. It was a bad song. What song you're talking about? For you got, Laffy Taffy. I was a kid and I knew that song was bad.

Well, that era of music and that era of fashion, that was just a weird error for us. The fashion, the music. The one thing I want to erase off the history. books like when my mom when our kids come to us and like mom this is what y'all was doing i'm like just forget that baby yeah that moment was when we look back at that like just the fashion the music around that time 2005 2004 six like those years right in there it was we was just trying to find the next wave i think but there was even into o nine when you get into the ron brow stuff yes in retrospect it was at the time

i thought it was bad but to act like i don't have so many fond memories in 2009 of a whole web star set of those songs, I would be lying. You can have a fine image. You'll find footage of me dancing to it. So I can't say it's, I hated it. No, that's, but that's every, that's every,

to me that's every error. Because I go back and look at a lot of movies that I loved in the 80s now, some of the worst movies ever. Go watch Independence Day with a 2026 brain. So it's always, it happens. But I think that that's different. Independence Day is still good, by the way. I think,

I think it is, but someone that didn't live that time to watch it would look at this and be like this is the worst should I've ever seen. Movies and music are different because I think that music has the ability to be timeless. Whereas with movies, the script can be timeless, but the camera work keeps getting better and better. So like, you can watch, even an animated film. You go back and watch an old animated film, you're like, God damn, it looked like they was drawing this shit with colored pencils. Like, it's, shit just evolves over time.

When music, I don't think that is like that. Not a Sandlot is timeless. Yeah, what do we talk? How are movies not timeless? Sandlot is timeless. Because the nostalgia and the script of the movie, like I say, can be timeless. But if the same way when I went to go watch the Sopranos and you was like, it's not going to hit the same, no, it's not because not only is the timing different, the way shit was shot and recorded is completely different. With music, music, music is music.

Like, music can be timeless. But you go back and watch an old movie and it's like, it looked like they recorded this shit on somebody fucking flip phone. No, but movies can be timeless too, though. And what do we tell? As far as camera work, people to this day are still trying to bite everything. things Scorsese does. Yeah. Okay.

I think you understand my point, but... Even, all right, we'll go animation. Let's not even go real people. Is Toy Story not timeless? For sure. Right now, Amarro would watch Toy Story and enjoy it. Yes, but I'm comparing and comparing it to movies. I've made my point if you don't understand it.

No, I'm trying to understand it. My point is you can, you... When it comes to filmmaking, when it comes to the quality of cameras, when it comes to the way things are shot, things have changed over time. Like, you can make them, you can go. and make an old movie that was already done, you can make it better to this day by filming it on a camera,

on the fucking cameras that they film Game of Thrones. Same with music, though. Can you? Yeah, absolutely. How? I was kind of making it clearer, like, making EQ and it clearer. But how?

Just the, just the skill set of the artist these days, just the technology with recording music and mixing music is a lot different. The only thing I can think is the mix being different. That's the only thing I can make out. I wouldn't want casino to be sure. want casino to be shot on Game of Thrones cameras.

Like, that's where I guess I'm not trying to purpose of be obtuse. I just don't get your point in that regard. I wouldn't want a lot of the timeless movies that we watch to be shot on the technology we have now. Because even with some of the TV shows, like, go with the Powerbook series. Like, I like Raising Canaan because they shot it in that film grade that they shot it in. If they shot it with real cameras, it looks kind of cheesy. I prefer when, why Snowfall to me?

is so good is because they shoot it on the grainy shit with the new cameras. If they shot snowfall the way they shoot 2B movies with those, even though 2B movies, they claim are cheap, those are the highest grade cameras you can use. If you shoot it that way, it looks cheap to me. I mean, it looks, it doesn't fit the time because if you're talking, but all of the shows you just talked about are shows that happened in the past. So if you want to film them, you have to film them the way that cameras looked in the past. So that's why I'm saying things are timeless because you're trying to capture that time. based off what we've know and love with timeless movies like a casino and Goodfellers.

Let's shoot Raisin Canaan is in the 80s. Like, let's shoot it that way. That leans into nostalgia. My only, my-oh, well, that's what I was saying. That's why Laffy Taffy is a terrible song, but nostalgia was my original point. Yeah, but nostalgia doesn't make something good. Your memories that are attached to it makes something good. Stolgia doesn't make something good.

Does that make sense? The same way that Maul hates, what movie is that one of the, that we say is a classic, he's like, he fucking hates it. What movie is that? Scarface. Scarface. Nistalgia. Terrible.

You know what I'm saying? Like nostalgia. It doesn't make the movie better. It's your memories that are attached to it, the time that is attached to it. But the product is what the product is. Baby boy might be better to Scarface. You hate Scarface, bro. Yo.

I mean, I get it. I get the nostalgia of it. But like, you look at Scarface. What's a better scene? The chainsaw in the bathtub or Tyrese screaming in the womb. Come on. And Baby Boy is a classic. $40.

Yeah. Baby Boy is a classic. Baby Boy is so quotable. You said, so what? Quotable. Oh, yeah, yeah. Definitely. But that's another movie.

Was Baby Boy a good movie or is it where we just forced to watch it on beat? He's so much that we remember every word. That's a good movie. That's a good movie. Okay, I guess the argument is can things be shitty and good. I think they can. For sure. Can things be shitty and entertaining?

Everything can be shitty and good. Shitty and entertaining. Your relationship could be shitty and good with your fucking significant. marriage. Yeah. You can have a shitty good relationship. Like, all right. I'm not saying Friday is shitty whatsoever.

But if you look at the production value between Friday after next and Friday, drastically different budgets. Yeah. What's better? Friday. I don't know. I don't know. I love Friday.

I think all three are amazing. But I'm just saying as far as, even when you get a bigger budget, probably a better production crew, it still doesn't change the magic you had when you were making something that was less, like with less money. Yeah. There's magic in that. Even it could be shitty, but at that time, that's what worked. Yeah.

And it's ingrained in our brains. In 15 years, when I show Friday to Amara, do I think she's going to sit there and be like, this is as great as you think it is? Probably not. That shit going to look like a Christmas story done. That shit going to look like a Christmas stuff. That shit can look like a Charlie Jack. Yeah, that shit going to look terrible. But there's like, I don't know, but I still feel like with movies when my dad showed me Animal House.

What year the Animal House come out? 83, 2? 4 hours of Boulder. Well, before I was. 78? Shit. Well, I remember seeing it in fucking 83, I think, the first time I saw 84, maybe. I watched it.

Probably before I was a teenager because my pops was that type of father, but it still checked out. Like, I loved it. Yeah, those movies like that, it don't matter how old you are. Like, you go back and look at those movies, like, no, this shit was funny. Hilarious. Yeah, great movie. Because I think comedy, comedy like no matter what except for i think that there are some types of comedy just like music

that are like a fad and i kind of wanted to die like will pharaoh's lane of comedy i'm so happy it's dying and people are like why is scary movie not selling because that that that slapstick humor is just it's not timeless humor no i think with the have y'alli have you i seen the new scary movie no i want to i want to go see it though again because of the nostalgia i think with the wayans brothers it was just too much of it like scary movie the first one was a classic and Don't drink juice in the hood. Like, classic.

They just kept doing it and it was like, we have enough of this. The second scary movie. It's too much of the same. The second scary movie is the best scary movie. I like scary movie too. I can't remember the third one. Scary movie two is the best,

scary movie three is the one that was focused on the ring. They had the cornfields. They had Shorty. Oh, yeah. No, no. Three was funny too. Yeah. The best one is two.

Two is the one when they're in the house, right? Yes, two is the one. Oh, two is by far the best. This is six? Jesus. I checked out after three. I checked out after three. I did not see four and five.

But again, it's too much of, then they did dance movie. Then they, like, I get why they did it. Like, get it how you live. If I have a cult classic of this style, I'm going to keep doing it. 65% popcorn eater. That's what you face. I'm just reading it. 23% tomatoometer.

Yeah, that shit is ass. What don't you like about Will Ferrell movies? I hate Will Ferro's brand of funny. Nah. You think Stepbrothers is funny? I hate, slapstick humor. I think Stepbrothers is watchable. Yes. Stepbrothers is hilarious. Goofy, overly stupid white frat boy humor. I don't think that it's funny.

I don't. I would say scary movie is more slapstick than any Will Ferrell movie at all. But I just agreed that scary movie. I brought up scary movie in comparison to Will Ferrell because I think it's all the same type of humor. It's not that funny. Oh, I disagree there. Yeah, I don't. You know like Talad Digger Nights isn't funny? I don't think I've seen Talladega Nights. He's a race car job. You got to. You got to see the classic. You don't know the classics. Will Ferrell.

I probably have, but I really, elf is more slapstick. I really dislike Will Ferrell. But Stepbrothers, y'all act like it's the greatest movie in the world, and it's not funny. It's very funny.

Anchorman is hilarious. It's not. The other guys is a classic. You're not fucking with Elf? It's just, fuck no. Blades of Glory is fucking hilarious. It's just,

it's not my brand of humor. I don't like it. The Rocksbury is very slapstick. You think old school? The campaign is hilarious. We're not doing that. is. I think I laughed at the campaign.

It used to be funny until it became a reality. The campaign was super funny when it came out and then we started living it and it's not funny anymore. Yeah, I think I laughed at the campaign. Semmy pro is, come on, man.

Will Ferro is classic. That's a classic. Kicking and screaming is fucking hilarious. It's not for me. Did you like the Austin Powers series? The Austin Powers series? I did when I was a child. Go back to it.

Me and my dad rewatched Austin Powers after taking like 20 years off. it's still checks. It's some of the best comedy writing ever. Austin Powers is a classic. But I think because that, again, that caricature of like Austin Powers became like its own joke. Like I even hated when Hove did the hook on Blueprint 2

with the Austin Powers impression. It became so corny because everyone was doing that shit. I think we forget how genius that series is. I used to watch a lot of awesome powers. Like I used to be obsessed. Like I used to quote the one with Beyonce. Like, I was a kid, that was all we watched.

All three of them are classics to me. Kind of slapsed humor, but not as, I'm sorry. It's not as bad as Will Ferrell. I can't, I can't get jiggy with that shit. I can't. That's crazy. Listen, hey, I like comedy that's comedy, but being under the radar as comedy. You got to think about whether it was a joke or not.

That's the type of comedy that I like. You like to think in your comedy? Like, I like to, I like, I just want to laugh. But even. I'm like, oh, I get it. overly silly shit doesn't make me laugh. Like I like, you know what I'm saying? Like I like underhanded comedy.

Walking around with a samurai sword and having Randy Jackson sign it is hilarious to me. I don't like, like, anyways. That's fucking hilarious to me. But I think that's a boy that boys tend to like comedy like that. Like especially like when I was growing up, young boys were obsessed with shit like Borat and all of that shit. Like that was just like the funniest shit in the world. Oh, hold on.

And I think it's like some of the most intellectual. comedy you could think of a classic i think it's some i think it's a boy right is not intellectual comedy borat has intellectual but it also has it also has slap it also has slapsed of course so does austin powers with fat bastard bastard taking a shit yes it has slapstick stuff in there but there's so much political stuff too of belgium versus london like there's undercover comedy is a classic borat was i think like i remember when i was younger people thought that was the funniest movie on her do you all still feel that way borret yes yeah when did borer that was like a big thing Where you're the boy come out?

Oh, four? Me, me, Damon Biggs went to see that together. Oh, six. Me, Damon Biggs went to see that together. Look who you had the movies with. We went to go see that together and,

bro, when I tell you, we went to a small, it was a small theater. Can someone make an animation of this, by the way? No, no, no. I swear to God,

there was a small theater in the East Village somewhere. One of those small theaters. It was no more than maybe 30 seats inside the theater. Bro, when I tell you, you, we could not stop laughing at that shit. From the beginning to the end, we was all in there literally crying.

Class, that's a-Borad is a classic movie. Bored is a classic movie. I had to go back and re-watch it as an adult. I haven't watched it in a long time. And we can agree that's intellectual comedy, right? No, Boreh has intellectual comedy in it for sure. The entire concept of the movie of exposing how Americans think is. Yes, my point in bringing up Borett is when I was younger, boys all tend to like the same

type of comedy movie. Like, that was a thing. That's why I said a baby. I was like, the Borat impression is funny, but like. Yeah, that's why I was like as a girl, like I think I was just a girl. That that shit is just, Borat is funny, but the rest of them ones I name is just like I. Yo, the stars that had to align for him to pull that shit off.

Bro, how do you end up, and it's all actually real, get picked up by three frat guys in a Winnebago, and you're going to go see Pamela Anderson and put on the sex tape as if that's your wife. And they have to break it to you. you. Like, how do the stars align for that? He got a new movie out on, um, I want to say it's Netflix.

Borat, too, was great too. It's a new movie on Netflix. What's the name of it? I started it the other night, but I think the game was on. All his characters are, he's a genius. Ladies first.

The Ali G show I watched before, like, when I was young, like I used to sneak to watch the Ali G show. Mm-hmm. All his characters, you know, When he was, who's the gay one? I don't think I ever watched when he did the full movie, but it was a character he had.

Bruno. Fan. Bruno. He went to, like when I, I must have been in high school. Oh God. Before Bruno was a movie, he went to an Alabama football game as Bruno. It was like where the cheerleaders were. Yeah.

He went to a rodeo as Borat to sing the national anthem. and said, we support your war of terror. He does not get enough credit as a comedian, bro. Nah, he got some classic movies. Sasha Cohen has some classic fucking movies for sure. Without a doubt. And he's the only one that could get a lot of the Jewish jokes off because he's Jewish. His Gabi?

Oh, his Gabi. He adopted her. That's what they call it a Gabi? Oh, my. Who called? Who started that term? Gaby? Gaby is fucking nuts.

We shouldn't say that, I feel like. You know, Gaby has to be like derogatory. Bruno's Gaby. Oh, what's the thing? Gaby is a... It's from Bruno. I have to watch the... I watch the Bruno sketches.

I need to see the movie. I don't think I've seen the movie. You've never seen Bruno the movie? I don't think so. There's no way you can see Bruno. What year to come out, 09? You've seen Bruno. Bruno. No, I remember when he

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Tay Keith, prayers to his loved ones. People I love and care for were very close to him, so I already know the impact that the last few days has had with his passing. So I do want to acknowledge that, you know, We give some prayers and condolences to everyone that was impacted by take keep passing away. Which is all of us. Like outside of his family and friends, which is all of us, I don't think there's ever been a time in the music industry when someone died.

And I was like, oh, music is about to change immediately. Like we've buried older artists and things like that. And yes, we've missed. It's difference when somebody is a producer, right? Because they worked with so many different artists. all of hip hop is about to change. Like, Tate Keith ran hip hop. All of hip hop is about to change.

I mean, his, his, his sound was very much a signature to what current music is. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Shit, he brought, he brought back a lot of drums that, that I loved that were in hip hop that that had disappeared for a fucking 15 years. And Tate Keith brought that 808 and that bounce and snare shit back in. and a way that, you know, 10 billboard records, like,

when you knew his drop came on, you knew there's no way you were not going to like to be. Yeah. I mean, aside from his, obviously, his musical talent and abilities, just, you know, at 29 years old, so young, that's so much life left to live. It's just sad and tragic. So, yeah, I mean, you know, rest and peace.

Take Keith, prayers and condoluses to his family. his friends, anyone that had, you know, any love, love for him. I know this is a very tough time because, again, 29 years old, it's way too young to be losing anybody. And again, you know, it's just just a tragic, tragic thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, they haven't given much details about his death.

So obviously, we'll leave that part alone until the family wants to speak about everything. but yeah I don't know the stats of musicians that passed I know there was that the 27 the law of Jimmy Janice Jopped that whole thing but I don't know I feel like our generation within the last

10 to 15 years is it's been super tragic whether it be violence drugs so it's like it's it's been super unfortunate yeah and I know So it's not everyone's going through their own thing.

So it's not everyone's responsibility to micromanage everyone else's feelings or what they're going through. But when you are in this business, it can drive you to certain things that the average person may not deal with. So you do need to speak to the people you're closest with when they're at this level of success. I mean, as often as you can, it's something. something that it may not change anything to be quite honest but it's important to check on people and I know we say that every time someone dies and I don't think anyone should feel guilty about it that they could have changed anything but it is important to check on people 1,000 percent 1,000 percent especially you know young people and you know it's just a tough time for a lot of

people but young people these days seem to be having a very tough time yeah it's a lot and granted I shit you know us being best for friends. I'm one of those people that sometimes when I'm going through something, you'll check on me and I'll be like I'm fine. Yeah. But I think at this point, even if it's annoying with what you're saying more with young people, maybe we need to be a little bit more nosy with certain people that say everything is fine. Yeah. Because I'm one of those people that shut down too. And I get if you don't want to overstep with somebody, but that's something I think we need to take extra precaution in 2026. with the people around us.

Like, yeah. It's, people are going through a whole different mental thing post-COVID than I think any generation ever had to go through. And I don't want this to be taken as this, we are in reference to the death of the- No, no, no, no, no. This is in general.

I'm saying the last 10 to 15 years, I just want to clear that up. Yeah, I'm just saying just in general of the people we've lost that are of notoriety and have contributed the way they have contributed to the culture that we love. It's something,

that I think just sending a text isn't really the strategy anymore. That's all. No. With everybody. I've never text somebody and said, how are you? And they were like, I'm, actually, I'm doing terrible. Like, that rarely happens. Like, everybody's like, I'm good.

I'm fine. You know. Yeah. And I mean, I don't have the, I guess the tactics of, or the advice of what to do in that situation. But if that's your friend, just make sure. sure that you don't let the I'm cool text just go. That's all. Yeah.

But shit, while we're here, rest and peace to Clive, Davis, legend in the music industry. I mean, shit, Whitney, Alicia Usher. Everybody. Everybody. It's Clive Davis. And, you know, of course, it's always tragic when someone passes away. But I always like to highlight, because even when my grandparents, they both

made it to 91 and 93. And yeah, it sucked my grandparents' past. But I was very happy they had a full life. Like you lived till 94. So yes, rest in peace for sure. But let's acknowledge like 94 years of life is a beautiful fucking thing. Incredible. That's awesome.

Congratulations. That you lived 94 years and got to see what you saw and contribute what you contributed to. Absolutely. Can I give a confession? I didn't know Clive Davis was white. until I was like 25. So I want to say like 20 with me.

I agree. Yeah, same. It's the name. Same. Clive. More, I was working in the music industry. Yeah,

we're going to Clive Davis at the Grammy party. Yeah. I thought he was black the whole time. There's another white in the music industry that I just found out was black like 10 years ago. Tommy Muntola? No, we all knew Tommy Mottola. Why's because you love Mariah?

Nah, I feel like everybody knew. When Ghost was rapping about Tommy Mottola, not everybody knew Tommy Mottola. His name is Tommy Mottola. His name is Tommy Mottola. His name is Tommy Mollah. Tommy Motola.

Clive Davis. Clive is different. Tommy Mattolla is a white name. Yeah, Clive Davis could be a black man. Tommy McAle. That plays bass in Nashville, Tennessee. One million percent. Whose other big whites that are like white in the music industry?

Like as like. I don't think anyone thought Steve Bartels was black. No. It's a hip hop one. I was like, he white? I couldn't remember his name. But producer? No, like a like a executive.

Executive. Yeah. And he's still active too. Lear. You thought Leor Cohen? I didn't know Lear was white. There's no way. I didn't know Lear was white.

There's no way. There's no way. I didn't know Lear was white until I'm not going to make it a thing that you guys think I'm going to make it a thing about. But if you were to find a specific group of people and find the most stereotypical name of them, it would be Lear Cohen. Yeah, no. There's no way. Nah, Leior sounded black to me. Lear, okay.

All right. Okay. It's not, it's. Lear sounds black. Yeah. Okay. Next GM. Leon Rose definitely sounds like a black man.

Leon? Let someone Yiddish say. Leon is not going to think it's black. Leon is the most black name ever probably. Nah. Leon? The only blacker name of Leon is Learoy. Yeah. Jamal is the blackest name.

No, it's not. No, it's not. Jamal's not the blackest name. It can't be because everyone calls me that in the street. Yeah. Jamal is the blackest name. No, it's not. Jamal and Jayquan. Jayquan or Jamal, nothing to like. Jayquan is a pretty black thing. If your name wasn't Jamal,

I think you would think differently about that. Jamal's a very stereotypical. Jamal is a stereotypical black stereotypical black name. It's like the name like white suburban ladies were like in a movie, they would be like, okay, Jamal. Yeah, that's true.

I feel like, I feel like Andre is more stereotypical than Jamal. No. Jamal and Jamal and Jayquan are like, hell not. You might as well say Shaniqua. Hell no. Any time a racist person is making a hypothetical, they're going to use Jamal.

They're going to use Jamal. No way. No way. I don't think so. He's biased. I'm not. I just don't think it's as stereotypical as y'all think it is. Don't quote me because I don't know the actual history.

But in my Irish heritage, a lot of people have the middle name Tyrone. Tyrone is a very, I know. That's black and Jamal to me. But I'm telling you, Tyrone. Oh, my God. Look up the. Irish connection to the name Tyrone. I have a lot of older family

members that have the middle name Tyrone. It has something to do with Irish culture. I don't know where it comes from, so please do not quote me. I'm not standing. But Tyrone is an Irish name somewhere. It means land of Owen and Gaelic. Yes, it's a Gaelic word. Yeah.

Like, if you go through my family tree, there's Tyrone's in my family. That's hilarious. That was to me the Irish Tyrone. That's funny. The conversation we would have, the last three hours, When my dad was working, he must have been in Miami. Yeah, he was in Miami. He was in Coral Gables at the time.

There was, he was working on this boat. And the whole time he was talking about this guy, Tyrone, he works with, I get there, straight from Ireland. That's crazy. That's funny. Straight from Ireland. But I mean, there was a lot of overlap in the West Indies with Irish. Oh, 100%.

The dialects are very similar. 100%. But, yes, Tyrone does. But being named Tyrone and you're like a full white Irishman is crazy. I Google most stereotypical black names. Jamal was the first one that came up. Deshawn. But his is also from the Quran and how he spells it is like.

Yeah. Demetrius, Tyrone, Marquise, Darnell, Malik, and Terrell. Those are the name. Those are the most stereotypical black names. Jamal was number one. Like it's almost become a character of racism. Yeah, it's a racist. How many Jamal's do you know?

I know a lot of Jamal's. I would put it somewhere in the five. five category? But that doesn't mean like you can, even if somebody knows none, that doesn't make it a less black name. I don't know any Shaniquas, but that's a stereotypical black name. Do you know Shaniquas? I do not know. I don't think I know one Shaniqua. I don't know one Shaneca. I don't know one Sherecua. I don't know. How do you not know what Chiqua? I know it's Sharquisha. See, now that's great. You know that. I know. I know. I'm no. No, it's the video. Oh, I thought you might realize.

When I looked up stereotypical black female names, Latasha, Tamika, Latoya, Tanisha, I know a lot of the toy. Kisha, Alia and Lashonda. I know all of them. P. P. P. I was going to say DMX and Cisco, but.

Brenda, Latisha, Linda, Felicia. But a lot of them names weren't black. Yeah, I don't think I know as Cheniquu.

Yeah. I really don't think so. Jamal is, Jamal is a very, very similar typical black name. But Leor, yeah,

I thought Leo was black. Bone Quisha and Laquisha is crazy. Bone Quisha is not a real name. Bone Quisha is not a real name. I didn't think short. could be a real name. That's Google?

I saw Bonquisha on Reddit, but the other ones was Google, yeah. The ones I originally named. I said Google definitely got Bonquisha up there. But this is my problem with all those viral videos that they deprived of where are they now. Like don't make Sharkeesha viral and then don't tell me 10 years later what happened to her.

Yeah, we need to know where Sharkey's. But I need to know what Sharkey's doing. What you think Sharkey should do? Patrick beating the fuck out of people. What is this Irish boy names? Patrick, Connor, Sean. You Irish? For real?

You didn't know? Oh shit. No, I didn't know that. He put his pops in the chat. He looks just like my dad. Why Seamus ain't on there? Seamus kind of, that's more of an older. Like, if you get into some of the, like my grandma's name was Eileen.

Like, they don't make Eileen's anymore. I had an aunt named Eileen. They don't make Eileen's. Or Barber. When last time I've seen Barber? You don't even know a barber. I went to, I went to high school to Barber. No way.

You did not go to high school with a bar. No, no. My grandmother. No fucking way. On my grandmother grave, I went to school with a Barbara. I'm not making that up. Barbara? And you went, what, 06 to?

I went to middle school and high school with her. Barbara. Yeah, shout out to Barbara. She was real, real skinny. You know, hanging out with a Barbara in 07 is crazy. Barbara? People be named after their grandparents. Well, my middle name is my grandfather's name, but it's not my first name.

Yeah, you like, don't name me after my car. And on top of that, like, Jamaicans took Eugene from us. That used to be ours. Yeah. Yeah. Trevor. Definitely took Trevor from. There was a lot of Irish names that West Indians took now that I think about one.

They took them or were they, where the name passed down through all types of? The owners. Yeah. Oh, I think you have very misguided version of the history between the Irish and the West Indies. But y'all ever thought that some of the people that conquer you and some of the names that. Yeah, no, for sure. No.

In indentured servants and I'm trust me, I'm not the Irish guy that said, hey, we went through it too. You do. But, no. There's a way... Rory going to tell us Irish for slaves every time we were he don't do that.

They were. Yes. Is this a fact? But don't say I'm not the guy. No, no, no. But I'm not one of those people that even still stands on the...

Yes, when we got to this country too, it was no shirts, no shoes, no Irish. Cool. But then after that decade, we just became white. Yeah. So, no, I'm not saying

there's any comparison whatsoever, but a fact is a fact and where the West Indian dialect is so similar to the Irish one is because they were indentured servants. and slaves in the West Indies. Like, yeah. Barbara Burst, in recent years,

around 300 newborn girls were given the name Barbara annual. The American is only Barbara in her 30s. 0.01% of all newborn girls in the United States are named Barbara. 0.01%. That's what I'm saying?

You don't see barbers like that. What was your grandmother's names? Gertie. Oh, I miss old names, man. Gertie. That's such a grandmother name? Now, is Gertie like a nickname? like the full name Gertie.

That was a name. Gertie Mae. Oh, they love a May. Of course it's May. They love a May. Yeah, Gertie Mae. And now I let me think about it. Anne's were also taking,

yo, Irish and Jamaicans have way too much income. Because my mother's Kathy Ann. Everything Ann is Jamaican related. 100%. My mother's name is Kathy Ann. Or, uh, Cherlick Trash related. Trailers Trash, whites love of Ann. Okay.

They put Ann. Brittany Ann, T.M. Anne and Lynn. Oh, no, Lynn to me is white trash. Anne is not white. Lynn to me is white trash. Yeah, Ann had that shit together. If you put, if your second name is Lynn,

you'd 1,000% are a poor white. Yeah. Like, there's no way you did, you did not grow up on food stamps if you're a white girl with the middle name Lynn. Girl, what is this? What is this? These girl names saw the steepest.

All right, thank you. The client. Thank God, Dior did. Maybe names at risk of going extinct. It was London and Milan for me. Ooh, they ran those to the fucking round. Kenley, Prisha, Ezra, Sasha. The person that does the new Roy Amal drop.

His sister's name is London. You better relax. Shaka, Gabriel, Zaley, Ocean. Down 242 spots. Allie. I've never been out. I know. Aria.

Kylie. Kylie? Wow. I like that name Kylie. Malaysia. Goldie. I'm glad that's on the way out. Stop.

But Goldie was always like a nickname for a grandma. Hallie, Amaya, Kinsea. Oh, I knew a lot of Kinsie. Kiana down 197 spots. Y'all better bring the Kianna's back. Bada. Lina. Regina is down 195 spots.

Avery, Elsa, Kaley, Lillian, Sienna, Dillon, Dallas, Dylan. I thought I was Diling. Dylan. Amal, Nicole, Oakland, Brunley, Deleza. I think I remember the Brindley phase. I liked that name. Peyton was a thing. Peyton was a thing with the white.

Enough for I am. If you guys, what would you guys choose just off the top of your head for your son or your daughter's name? I told y'all Nassir, Nassir, Nassir, Nassir, N'A, N'A-Carder. Yeah, I talked about me like a dog. Nassia Carter. My son name, I love the name, Grayson. I have a cousin, shout out to my cousin. I have a cousin named DeGracian, and I love his name.

I like the Grayson. The Grayson. The Grayson is a great name. D and apostrophe and then Grayson, but everybody calls him Grayson. I always love that name. What about Jamal? Probably Jamal. Going Jr.?

Probably. What a legacy leave. So that's a lot of Nike dunk shoes he has to fill. Man. It's hard feeling these 10 and a half. If I have a sudden, Nolan is when I want to name myself. Nolan? Irish is fucking.

No. You don't like the name Nolan? No. Why not? Too close to Dolan. We don't care about them. I never put those two and two together. Damn it. Now I'm never going to unthink that. Thank you for ruining Nolan. Why did you like, what? You really like Nolan as like a name or does it mean something? You like you got a grandparent named Nolan? My Irish uncle Anthony had a friend named Nolan. I just always thought it was a cool Irish.

Of course your Irish uncle Anthony has a friend in Nolan. Of course he. It's not Anthony. Antony. Antony. Amara and Nolan don't go together. But they're not there. They'd be different people. Like Amara's alive. But you have to say their names together a lot. No, you don't. Yes, you do.

You're not going to name one kid and name. Like, when you're naming kids, like, I'm with so and so and so and so. No, you say, where the fuck of the kids are. Yeah. We're the kids. How are the kids? No. Like, you see how Marlon his friends.

Like, go together. You guys are going to talk to me. I love Nolan. I think it's a great name. I like Nolan. That's a nice name. I like how when we hear Amara, like, we got to like, guess her ethnicity. But like, Nolan, we know automatically.

Not really. No one can be a black name. Nolan can definitely be a black name. I know a few Nolans. You know a few Nolans? Yeah. Say, swear to God. Swear to God.

I've never heard that name before. Nolan? Outside of Christopher Nolan. That's the only Nolan I know, Christopher Nolan. That's crazy. Yeah. No one's outside. You just got to go to Ireland and final.

Or Queens. Nolan is a great name. Yeah. I mean, if you like it. Do you guys want to know my confirmation name? What is the confirmation name? When you get confirmed in the Catholic Church, you pick a confirmation name. Oh, okay.

yeah it's Patrick nice pat Patrick's I mean a peach Wooshers there's only like five picks that you can go with Jerome

Jerome is Irish too ha ha ha ha Ma Me a white Jerome is crazy It's Irish too no I know but I've just said I've never seen a white Jerome before

An Asian Jerome Asian Jerome is crazy That actually sounds like a bit in rush hour. Jerome? Your grandfather's name is Jerome. Jerome? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought it's like, oh, that's the name that like when you start to work at 7-Eleven, they give you a name so everybody can say it. That's not your- Why you pick 7-Eleven? Right, a safe way. That wasn't racist because that's not the 7-Eleven stereotype is not they is.

Yeah, no. That was progressive of them all. Yeah. They give you a name, just like the ladies at the nail salon. Listen, anytime you do customer service, that's not their name. No. Or the nail salon. The lady that does your nails?

You think her name is Janice? I can promise you that's not her name. I can promise you that's not her name. No, we know it's not. But no, Jerome is definitely Irish too. How did your grandfather land on Jerome? Did he name himself? No.

Or when they gave him the job, they gave him a name tag that said Jerome on it. My mom came here when he was a teenager. He was at school that gave him the name. at school they gave him the name like the principal the teachers just started calling him jerome and it stuck i'm trying to figure out how your grandfather got the name's funny as fuck your accent grandfather how did they land on the name jerome like who gave him the name jerome their real names jerome is just funny though that is funny as fuck in asian jerome wow okay they're out there I can go to the Barbara I went to school with.

I found her on Facebook. Here's my thing. Let me see. And this is fucked up to say. Barbara. Beautiful girl. Yeah. Maybe it's something wrong.

Maybe it's something wrong with me. If I saw a chick that I liked and we started talking and she said her name was Barbara, it would change things. Yeah. It really would change things. I'm changing her name like the ladies at the Nails alone. No, your name is not Barbara. And then I can't call her name. or Barb because then it's like

no crazy stand yeah it wouldn't work even if that was my soulmate I just don't think it could work out don't nobody really want to moan the name Roar either ain't anybody too fond of that shit like I will show you thousands and thousands thousands of women

thousands flooded thousands thousands like y'all poppin shit thousands upon thousands fucking a thousand people is so gross People do it. No, I know people do it. I'm not one of them. But not, like, one or two of them have I definitely done it before.

Out of thousands. What did they call you? Like, daddy? Like, because what? No, I'm not, I've never been into that. Okay. So, like, Poppy's fine, but it doesn't happen often to me. Yeah.

He said, what's fine more? Poppy. All right. Yeah. I'm never calling no Asian nigga. I mean, no Irish nigga Poppy. That's crazy. Why not?

Irish poppy? Yeah. What if I, I mean, what if I was doing the poppy activity? Yeah. What if he was poppy to her? So, Daddy's okay as long as it's in Spanish. Yeah. I'm not saying I'm morally correcting that.

I'm just telling you all my brain works. Daddy's weird to me. Poppy's not. So Poppy is the only thing she can. You're trying to find logic. I'm not going to give you logic. You know what I'm saying? But Poppy is the only thing that she can moan is Poppy.

That's it. No, I like, I like when women say my name. when we have sex. Bees laughed. I like it when women say my name when we're having sex. I get uncomfortable talking about sex with y'all. Do you?

You always start the sex conversations. Because y'all are great at it. Oh, my God. I'm just producing. Now he's EPN. Yeah. Now you two freaky frogs. Yeah, y'all are great at that.

God. I'm the only real freaky one over here. If we do a freak doubt, Survey. Moral is definitely the most free, that one. As what he says or like what people think behind...

As like what he says, like on this podcast. No, I think Mo's... Nah, Moll just being missionary. But I mean, like, on this podcast who talks about sex the most? Like, who turns this podcast and the horrible decisions? It'd be more.

Me? No, I think it's all three of us. Oh, my God. It's one of those polls that I think. I promise you it's not me. I can promise you it's not me. Me and Rory might toss you the ball, but you might not get that shit out of the part.

Nigga, you talk about sex. We all do. Oh. Hey. He's shirtless. Who's shirtless? Ain't nobody coming on this. Yo,

Kyle, we'll be back after this break. Nobody's coming on this couch shirtless, though. We are going to take a break for a second. Get him some merch. We're coming back to talk about. Get him some merch.

No man is sitting on this couch. He's shirtless, bro. That's not happening. We're not doing that. We're going to take a quick break. We're going to talk about the scissor and AI conversation. And get somebody something to wear. We have our brother, Kyle Deion, coming on as well.

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Solar Deluxe. Thank you, Robert. Now. I spent the morning of my father's day with Amara having nature's perfume on repeat. That shit is great. What's the record with Duckworth?

Vanilla Scott. That shit is fire too. Video is great. Thank you, man. Vanilla skies, yeah, yeah. And before we get to the... Child just kicking the heat. Like, yo, I forgot cameras was here.

Microphones was here. Before we get to the SZA and AI stuff, I did want to ask, do you feel like the deluxe version is putting a pressure on y'all? What do you mean? I mean, you added three records, Solar. But I've seen a lot of people, shit, including Sizzah, who we're about to talk about, pretty much doing whole new albums under the same SOS umbrella. Right. I've seen that too, though. Do you see a spike in the streams when you add the deluxe?

Like is it a real strategic thing that artists actually have to do at this point is to do the deluxe and re-release it just so it can get back in the algorithm? Absolutely. So I literally like I like had a big back and forth with my label trying to convince them to drop a deluxe so that we could reinvigorate the album because I believe in the album so much. and I put every album that I put out I've always done a deluxe for it and you just see those like numbers

just skyrocket because it goes into people's algorithms again and it's like a new thing so it definitely helps and then you know you spend like niggas spent like years working on one album and then you put it out and it's like three months and everybody's like

move on to the next day yeah so it's like doing that gives us a chance to really work what we've been working on for a long time. It's like, this isn't easy. This is hard, man. It's like we put our whole life into it and it's just consumed and let go, especially these days, there's not people, like a lot of people don't listen to albums anymore, you know, so it's like they consume albums like a single, you know? Not only that, a lot of artists don't focus on a complete, yes,

they put out an album. Yeah. But it's not, is it cohesive. Yeah. Is it telling a complete story? And a lot of people don't. A lot of people, a lot of artists chase, I can get singles. You know what I mean? So the listeners move on fast, but it also has affected the way artists create as well. It's sad, man. It's like, I always say, like, I wish I was an artist in a different time.

Yeah. Because I feel like I would thrive way more, not even like just visibly, but mentally. Yeah. It's a mental game to be an artist right now. It's really, you can really get in a dark space. So, yeah, it's wrapped around the question back around. It definitely helps bring people,

Like I've seen, like we just dropped it a few days ago, and people are like, I didn't know you dropped, you know, solar. I didn't know there was a, this album existed. Yeah. And now they're like, oh, because the algorithm plays and it doesn't come across people's things. Yeah, exactly. So it definitely helps. And I'm happy that it's out. Yeah.

I guess it's case by case basis. Because I mean, I've even, I mean, when I say argue with my label, I just mean, Britain is odd. Like, it's hard label. But I don't know. I still have that old mentality. And it's more of a fan rather than a creator where I just like, I like, I like, I like, that album. Yeah.

I get, Sizz are doing the SOS thing, even if it was good business, I also get it to those records were from that time. Yeah. These records will either stay on a hard drive or I,

because it's going to be a new sound when I put it out. That's a part of it too. Like, that's a part of it too. It's like, let's just, you know, we can add to this story,

like the stuff that didn't make it that almost made it. Like, it's part of it too. Like, I think it's, I think deluxees are a great thing. I think it's good for, for artists these days, especially.

All right. Well, should I mean, Should I put the four records we have out and do a, I thought it was different deluxe tomorrow? Yeah. This nigga got so much songs with me and not one has touched anyone. But it's because it's actually out of respecting you so much that I want it to be perfect. Nah, you're doing too much. It's funny.

Disrespect me. I mean, like the record. No, no, no, no, no, no. How? Exactly. I mean, he don't like it. No, it's not the case. All right, million dollars.

I respect you so much. We were not going to put out the song that we didn't. Exactly. But the record I just put out with Lucky Day and Black Odyssey. I went on stream that night. And I was just playing shit. And Damaris was there and I played million dollar touch. And I was like,

My favorite song. What the fuck is wrong with you. It's so good. It's so good. Well, see, this is why Rory is fake. No, I put it in the sequence of the next album. He got three hitters on there. You know what I'm saying?

You got a cop. You being fake. If you had the number one album right now, you being fake. No, no, I'm saying. Roy's being fake. Oh, he'd be fake. He's been fake.

If you had the number one album right now, that shit would have been out. That song would have been, it would have been a music video. It would have been a music video. It would have been a music video. He would have had three calls with Netflix. It would have been a Netflix premiere at midnight.

We know what it is. You're playing games. You play games. Okay. I like, see, the only way for me to make this point is going to make it sound like I'm talking down on other. CS Armstrong and Kirby are incredible artists, but didn't have a big name at that time whatsoever.

it just fit in the sequence Million Dollar Touch did not fit in that album. It went from being what would have been the first single to the direction changing after I did the joint with Drum and Alex Ozzy to not even making the album. It went from being the first single, the lead single.

To not even making the album. Not even making the deluxe. See, both of y'all, there is no deluxe. Both of y'all are being disingenuine because you know for a fact you're an incredible artist and you have been around

the biggest artist in the world. There are incredible songs And then fans are like, why the fuck wouldn't that make it? Because it doesn't fit into this. It doesn't mean it's dead. And your virtual million dollar touch, like, it's so good.

It's unreal. It's too good. Too good to even make the album. It's too good to make the album. No, it's just stuff I haven't. Too good to be out in the world right now. And there's things I can't say right now because I don't offend anyone.

There's things I would have to switch. He took the record to a level that didn't match. It's un-matchable. Have you ever heard that Kyle about your? music, it's unmatchable. Yeah. Can we talk off mic so I can give my point? And you guys are fully understand what the fuck I'm talking about? I don't know. I just know that there's more than that song that I have with you and

bottled up is incredible. Bottled up is incredible. But we wanted Jojo on there. We still need to. Yeah. Shout out to Joe. She's out here. What's up? Oh, let's go finish bottle up then. That's just make the second half in the heartbeat. Oh yeah, because Jojo, right? See, look. You see what happens? It's true. Joejo on it. Joejo on. That's just going out. It's out of here. Did we not have a vision for that record? This nigga like, you're so great, Kyle. You're so good. To get Jojo on it, though, it's coming out.

We had a vision for that record. Nah. And it was going to be a duet. It's the vision. We know what it is. Yeah. What's up? Don't do that because I sat in my mother's kitchen sending you cocaine 80s references for us to do bottled up.

And yeah, we had a goal and Jojo was the one that I think would have smoked it. She probably would have. And it probably would have been out if she did. Leano La Javis would kill that too. What? Yeah, I'll send it to other people. Okay. We got an ombre joint too this far.

We got an ombre joint. Look, look, the ombre went from Jojo to ombrey. Okay. So here I'm going to defend myself even more. Me and Jazi have a bunch of joints together that won't make my second album

because after my second album, which I've said, I want to do EPs after. Why? Because the, everyone has their own album cycles and schedules, and it's really tough to release, like even putting out the Leon Thomas joint.

to put it out earlier than I wanted to because Leon was about to drop. Same shit with Masego and Freddie. Like I have to go off everyone's time in that regard. So I've worked with artists. Me and Simba got a bunch of joints. I want to set aside after the second album because I committed to the second album to not do that for a long time. I want to lock in.

We both agree. We're doing four joints together and we're putting out an EP on our time. Because I can't putting out a 10 track album with 15 artists. You know, it's to get 15 artists on the same release schedule. cleared, yeah, it's a lot. It's too much. So I'm going into the EP world. So that's why I know we're joking.

If Kyle thinks those records are not coming out, you out of your motherfucking mother. They're not coming out. They're not coming out. Music is definitely happening. I hope. I hope it comes out. Just because you dress like a guardian angel in New York does not mean

that you can come on here and lie on me. Not guardian angel in New York. This nigga crazy. Kyle probably don't even know what the guardian angels are. I don't. You don't know what the guardian angel. Oh, my God. Wait till you see this picture,

God. I have a, I have a, I have a, a, a mental image in my head. No, you've seen the guardian angels

on your, there you go. Right there. Yeah. Nica, I hate you. Yeah, I'm garden,

I'm garden New York. Oh, my God. It's funny. But yes. But what's that one song? Um, I don't know to be the,

no me. Oh. What's the called? With a Jenaise producers. That was the first one we ever did.

Yeah, yeah. I'm unlucky. Unlucky. And that one's fired too and it's not out. All right. You know my friend Kyle did all

to say and that was not out. And that was let out. And my friend, she said, she just told me reason because you got in your phone. She said, can you send me

that old song that you sent me that you do with Rory? She just likes to listen to it. It's one of her favorite songs. Yeah, unlucky.

And I was like, yeah. Yeah, you're sleeping on me. Yeah, it's okay. Wait, sleep. All right. Sleeping on me.

Kyle, just don't do no more songs from him. You got all the, I don't know, that's what I'm saying. You got all the R&B niggas. Yeah. Leon Thomas. Right. Lucky day came out. Grammy Award winning.

You see that, that was the first thing that came out. You see what I know this thing. I know this thing for years. Right. He got a Leon, he said, oh, out now. Grammy Award wing. You got a single.

You put me or Leon Thomas out first? Me. What's it? Exactly. No, say it again? No, I didn't hear you. Say it again? If you're putting out your singles.

feature of me or Leon Thomas? I mean, I feel like me and Leon Thomas could like, we're singers. I know. Yeah. But I'm saying your single would probably like, strike with iron. It's hot. Listen, I, I, if I fuck when niggas, I'm gonna fuck with them regardless of what, like, clout they got in the moment.

Oh, I agree. Fleeting. So it's like, oh, you're gonna paint me as that person? No, no, no, no. I'm not, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I'm a fuck with, you know, because you asked me the comparison. Like, am I going to drop with you? I'm going to drop with Leon. If our song is hot, I'm going to put that one out. I like it more.

You know what I'm saying? Regardless of who's on it. So. Yeah. When Muck came out, you 1,000% right. I said, I'm putting this Leon shit out. Yeah. You got some nerve.

What you mean? Did he take it to hard? I think he's a little sensitive. That isn't to you. I was just saying, like I'm saying, if I got a hot record. Part of this content, by the way. I'm really not that bad.

Okay. If I got a hot record and the person on there is not like super, super popping at the at the and I got someone that's super popping and it's not as good as the other record. I'm gonna put the hot record out my second my second single was with Rahim and shantelme love them yeah can we pull the room can we get the receipt of who like if they were popular in that yeah I want to hear the records though I never I didn't never heard any of that either way million dollars stuff just about 75 different beats over it I never heard it never heard it never They're all good.

He's buried at the bottom of his, like, laptop. That's because you don't stay for the live streams. It's on like a hard drive from 2017. Yeah. That's crazy. No, real shit, though, we, me and Rory just linked up the other day, and we played like a bunch of our stuff in the car and it was really, really. Still sounds good?

Sounds great. It's really good. No, I'm excited. And yes, Kyle. I'm going to, did I not send you what I said? You did. You said he sent me? My favorite beat I've ever made.

He sent me a new. I gave to Kyle. He sent him. I'm going to see what I'm going to do with it in LA. Yeah, I got you. You still living in LA? I live in LA, yeah. Yeah.

Don't like it? I like it. It's home now. I've been in for like 10 years. Because you're from Miami originally, right? From South Florida. I'm from Coal Springs, Brow County. Brow County, that.

Okay. Do you want to, I mean, I feel like the R&B scene is, it was where you needed to be. Was Los Angeles? Do you feel that way now? I feel like, it changed the way. I still feel like, yeah. I feel like what y'all think New York is, like more. New York?

New York has. I think the energy overall in LA has changed post-COVID. I think a lot of the energy in LA that was there before COVID is completely. Kind of way away. Yeah, I agree with that. Like after 2019, yeah, for sure. But I don't know. I feel like LA is like, I guess I'm just comfortable there.

And I've been here for a week just now and I'm like, can't wait to get back home. I don't know. Really? Yeah. It's like, it's just like a comfortable. And it also is like chill. Yeah. Yeah.

Like LA's like more chill. And like New York is like, niggas is like I got like 28, steps. Like I'm just, you know, I want my car. You know what I'm saying? Like. So it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a culture out here. It's fun to be out here and visit, but I don't know if I could live here. I mean, do you think you'll ever leave LA?

Um, I think it'll always be home base, but I could see myself like move into New York for like a few months. Yeah. In the fall or the spring, not in the summer or winter because it's brutal. Yeah. No, I hear that. All fall in New York is, it's nice. Yeah. Really pretty.

This is going to sound bad coming from New York. The music scene out here is not that great. Especially R&B related. Like, you're not. There's great musicians. Don't get me wrong. They're great musicians and great producers, but not to the clip,

even at this point where L.A. is people that moved out, you can't just walk in the studio the way you can in L.A. Yeah. You're going to see three bass players that played on blonde just by accident. Yeah.

Like, that's not, that's not going to walk in a quad. You're not going to see bust the rhymes. You want to bust the verse? Got you. We got you. Yeah. That's what I feel like L.A. is like more still, like, for music.

Like, if you want to, if you want to like, if you want to like, collab and, like, be around people and be around a lot of talented artists. LA is like definitely where you should be. And then New York is like more like people come here and like the people are in the mix. But I don't feel like it's like if you want sessions and like you get inspiration out here. You get inspiration out here.

That's that's probably. And people look more fly for sure. Yeah, me LA. Yeah. Yeah. Where are you guys at with what Siza said over the weekend? Can we call it her fenceda? Was it on her fintz?

Damaris, you know this type of stuff. I mean, I guess it. Was it on the burner? Is it a burner? Is it a burner? Alternate page. I got one of those. It's called it an AP.

Yeah, there you go. But not in the way like Kevin Durant has his. Like we know that this is. That's a fenceda. Yeah. Okay, got it. So I didn't know she had this other account, but I get it to. You want to keep Cizza's a superstar.

You want to keep that one just for announcements with stuff. Yeah, and do whatever you want on it. So she was talking about AI. We had ACON. here what was that last week yeah I saw that A-com is a big advocate of AI which I was kind of surprised by he old I mean he's like older

I feel like the older people are like excited about it the older like why is that I don't know I feel like the older producers and older like Timberlin is went full on it that's what I'm saying I just feel like it's like a thing like they're all just like super excited maybe the professor X of a He might be the Professor X of AI. I like the new song they just, what he did with Chloe. That was good.

Timmerlin? Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, now I look at things in a weird lens with Timberlin at this point. Why? Because of his stance on AI, I just don't, I can't really take in his music at that point. Like, it's really skewed my perception of Timberlin, which sucks because he's one of greatest producers, especially with pop and R&B, I love Timberlin. Yeah.

Hip hop, I'm not the biggest Tim fan, but when it comes to R&B. Like his collaborations with R&B artist, yeah, yeah. Tim is a goat to me in that regard. So, yeah, I look at that shit different when someone takes that side. I think the conversation we had with Acon was good, because I was telling him, shit, in Pro Tools, I love that I can use AI to take a two track and make stems. Yeah. I think there's purpose in that.

I think it's a good tool, yeah. the stance that Sizz has taken is where I completely agree with her. She said, if you're a musician and you support this degenerate shit, you're disgusting and there's nothing you could ever say to me to make that okay. And she went on to say that every song that goes through these AI programs is from black artists at the end of the day. Rarely are they using white artists to teach AI anything. And the company- Wait, is that confirmed or is that?

I mean, she has a bit more information than probably the actual. average person in that regard. She found 238 of her songs, unreleased as well, that were used to train these AI models. And here's the problem. Diplo, who I think is an incredible producer, DJ, changed the sound, this and that, he has equity in a Suno that just got sued by the U.S. musicians union shit for putting in people's music without consent to teach this AI shit. And when you start doing that, it becomes more disingenuous because I'm sure DiFlo and Siza probably

have unreleased records together. I'm sure they probably got more records than him and I do that are never going to see the light of day. And now that you have equity into this company that is not only taking catalog from Spotify without my consent, you are taking records that aren't even out because you are. have them. And that's where this becomes completely fucking illegal to me. I think

AI has tools that are great. But this is the real issue that I don't think Acon, Timberlin, and everyone else doesn't understand why artists are so mad at this point. Yeah. Like right now, they're taking every because you don't even know the fine print when you upload

to a DSP at this point. They're taking his whole catalog and it's being put into a computer to be taught how to do the settle that he does. Yeah. And to me that's that's the real issue. Like I hear what Acon is trying to say Diplo even saying here either adapt or die, I get that too because at one point people hated electronic drum machines. They hated sampling, but we still find that in a purest way. But Diplow saying, sorry you purists, you have to adapt to die. No, this is illegal. This is taking

someone's actual intellectual property. Sampling, anytime you took someone's intellectual property without permission. Yeah. You was, it slapped right on the wrist. Yeah. For that. Sampling, Piers, whatever you think, is still legal. This is sampling, but now it's not illegal.

This is sampling. AI is sampling. If you're training it to study writers and voices and fluctuations and things like that, like that, that's sampling and art. I think it's stealing. I don't think it's sampling. Well, some people thought sampling was stealing. You think, yeah?

But you had to pay for it, so it's not stealing anymore because you're paying for it. Well, I feel like this, when you hear a sample, like, you'll hear a sample on a song, like, oh, it's from a throwback song, whatever, like, whatever. It's something that's out, it's something that people know. These are, these are, these AI machines are, are creating new material in design of an artist and how their inflections are and what they do. So it's not, I don't, I wouldn't compare it to sampling because it's something that is, it's not created. And they can put it out as if it's brand new and kind of just, it's, I would, I would say it's stealing. Well, a lot of artists put out samples that was deemed to be brand new. It was like,

catch me if you can. They knew when they made it. They were sampling a record or song or, you know, things like that. The reason why I'm comparing AI to sampling is because if they're taking 238 scissors songs, they're taking her music that's already and unreleased, you're taking her music. You're putting it into a machine a program that is now studying how to make a song like that. How to make a song like that. Like it. It doesn't use those songs, but it makes a song. So now every time put a prompt, it's already studied what she did. So now they're going to be like, they're going to do exactly what Siza does

in a different song that she's never made before. That no one's ever heard before and like promote it as this brand new thing where it's like, you know, I just, I feel like it's dangerous. There's no parameters. There's no like, even like AI artists on Spotify and shit. Like I've seen people be like, oh, I love this artist.

And it's an AI artist. and I'm like, there's a distinct tone to it too. You can actually like understand if it's an A-I song. But I'd be blocking them. I block all the AI artists. Even if there's shit sounds good, I'm like, I don't need that shit on my thing. I'm not against it, but can we get how we used to get the explicit advisory thing on an album? That's what I'm saying.

Can we get that on the AI project? Yeah, exactly. It's just an AI artist. It should say that. And it doesn't. And that's where we need to like, as things are, you know, Timlin's saying like, you know, get with it or get lost whatever. As things are progressing,

like we need to have some kind of parameters like those things like AI artists, joy, whatever. You know what I'm saying? It's like we need to let people know so we're not being bamboozled and full because this is people's actual, I mean, it's mine, it's my actual life.

It's really like, it's really sad and like sick. So I'm with Siza. I totally understand her. And yeah, because even to the sampling point, like even when Diplo was saying, oh, it'll never replace my autistic brain that makes the great music that it makes and it's with sampling you could catch the sample. Yeah.

This prompt stuff is can I get a record like snooze? Yeah. I studied Cizza and Leon's genius brains and can spit something out that sounds nothing like it. I've seen it. I've heard it. Yeah. Based off that. And to me that's crazy.

That's where I think DiFlo is being completely disingenuous and at this point is taking advantage of the world that we're entering. And taking advantage of black artists who make the world go around and make the best music in the world. And you got this white man over here stealing from black artists, black creatives. And it's just another, you know, we've seen this in history before. We've seen it before. Nothing new.

It's nothing new. It's called just the latest form. Yeah. Bluegrass rock and roll is what it's called. Yeah. You take Chuck Berry and then you put it on a fucking nightly show. If you are creative, this is Diplo, by the way. If you are creative, you need to adapt or just, like, give up and become an Uber driver until everyone has Waymo.

I don't know what the fuck that means because I'm stupid. Waymo's a ride share thing. Yeah, it's like no driver. A car, Uber, yeah. Self-driving car. Oh, it's the same thing. Yeah, no, I see the comparison. Self-driving.

Yeah. Self-driving. That's what he's doing. Self-driving. Does Ford get paid when the self-driver shit happens? No, they're using Tesla's. Yeah. Does Tesla get paid?

Oh, for sure. Does Elon get paid? For sure. That's his IP, right? Absolutely. I know it's not cool or classy to speak like this, but I'm not going to candy coat the future. It is what it is. Sorry for bad news to my purists, there will always need a human mind and touch because AI will

never suffer from bipolar disorder and autism like me and other creative people. Did he really put that emoji at the end? Yeah, he did. No, AI did that. That's what it thinks, bipolar. That's autism. That's what it thinks about it. Yeah, man, this is actually, it's really sick and it's scary.

And, yeah, I don't know. I'm like, I've been talking about this with friends. I've talked about it online. I think it's, I don't know where we're heading. I do think, though, that if you are an artist like Siza or myself or a, Frank or whatever, if you have this distinct, distinctive sound that even just like, I think every artist, you have a distinct sound about you. Nothing, AI is not going to be able to emulate, like, exactly what you do. And I think that's, you know, that's the up for this. But I've seen,

I've heard AI songs and that shit sounds. They, they're spinning out songs in like in five minutes. It's like a full-blown song. I'm shit, you know, by Kanye is great. I think with the deluxe, I think he said he redid some of the vocals, but a lot of bully his AI, which is sad to say as well. And it doesn't shock me that Kanye would do that because Kanye's always trying to do the next thing, next thing. And Kanye's actually not really a purest

if we're getting into the bag. Kanye's even admitted that he used backpack rap just to get on, like, we know, I did not shock me that Kanye wants to use AI. But that's an issue when people like Diplo and Kanye and Timerlin are compliant with this. And this is the new standard because if I'm a young artist,

if Kanye's using the shit, you think I'm not going to use that? You have your fucking mind. Yeah. I think there's a difference between using it as a tool and using it the way that Diplo's using it.

He's creating voice like they're, like it's a, it's a voice. It's like you don't need to have a collaborator on your song anymore if you're a DJ. You could just put it into an AI

and it's a voice and you don't have to pay no artists. You don't have to do anything. You cut, like you just said, you got a bunch of artists. You got to clear it. You don't got to do that

because they don't exist. It's helping, you know, in his benefit, it benefits him. So he's like, get with or get lost when it's like, bro, are you with the art? Are you with, you know, it's like you're the problem. You know what I'm saying? And he's done a lot of collaborations with artists and singers and vocalists. So to even like speak that way is it's pretty heartless to me, I would say. Have you been in any sessions with people that have sold their catalog?

Yeah. Have you had that combo with them? Because I think now we know, you know, when COVID hit and people started selling them, we now know exactly. We ask on this podcast every day. Why haven't we keep doing this? Now we clearly see. Because I do think they are going to regulate AI at some point.

I think it's the Y-WI-WS now and it is going to be regulated at some point. I think that's why people are buying these catalogs because at that point, if you regulate it, I own it. I could upload it to it. I could upload it to ALA. Like, if- Let them, let them, like, learn. If Diplo is an investor in that, and he partners with somebody that bought the Dreams

catalog, that's our choice now to upload it to our program. Have you had any of those combos with people that sold it? Like, you do realize what you did. Yeah, I mean, we didn't, probably, like, early on, so it wasn't like, AI wasn't as hot. But, like, yeah, I think it's, I think when you sell your catalog, it's, like, kind of selling, like, real estate, like your home. And people do that for a bunch of reasons. and they get like a lot of money up front, you know what I'm saying?

So, and then as time progresses too, your catalog kind of goes down in equity, I guess. Yeah. Every, every year, like people aren't streaming as heavily as when it came out, right? So people are like, oh, I could just sell this shit, you know? But now that that is a thing where it's like it can go into the AI shit, I'm sure people are like, I hope my, I hope my catalog isn't being because you literally, you're part of the problem now. Yeah, which it's interesting because I'm conflicted and a hypocrite at the same time because when everyone was doing that, whether it was the dream, should it be peacock sellers? It wasn't Bcox.

I don't think so. Sean Garrett. I think so did his. I was on their side because I thought they were looking at it like we don't even know how music is going to be valued in the next 10 years. We can't even determine what a stream costs this and that. I might as well take 100 million liquid from my family at this point. I don't think people were thinking about AI. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, like I agreed with them at that point. Yeah. If I can't determine what my shit is even valued at all, I might as well take this money from my family. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because in 20 years, it may not mean nothing. Like, it could be nothing.

Yeah. But now at this point, not to say I wouldn't take the money that they took, now you realize, okay, this is to deter everything that artists even create. Every artist behind you that you respect is now going to, have to battle a fucking machine while they're contributing to the machine that's going to put them out of business. Everything I make

is now going into something that's going to unemployed me. I said like a few months ago on my TikTok, I was like maybe we can combat the AI shit like artists if we maybe stop using Autotune

because AI uses Autotune and they can't emulate human voices. and that's what makes us human is that we have imperfections even the greatest vocalist like Whitney Houston or whatever there's nothing sounds like autotune

it sounds like they're a human being they're a little, they're not 100% on pitch all the time and I feel like if we went back into that route like it was in the 90s early 2000s where people weren't it wasn't default to use autotune it could maybe

combat this and we're definitely getting into like nerd territory but like if you people put dine on it like melodine like it's not even just autotune like even in the mix you're putting

I don't care if you're the greatest vocalist all time there's going to be some type of filter when you mix something is it just tune you think would fuck out? It's just tune because I think I think yeah there's going to be some kind of mix there like you

if you hear the song I want to dance with somebody right? I want to dance with somebody yeah it's mixed but it's not there's no auto tune so it's like it's a human voice, even all the old, old songs. Like, you know, Beyonce had songs, you know, back in the day when she was coming up too. Like, it's like no, there wasn't default auto tune.

It didn't sound like a robot. It didn't sound like perfect pitch. But everyone's desensitized to auto tune now. So it makes it sound like nobody's using autotune. It makes it sound like it's just, that's everyone's voice, but it's not. It's like now without auto tune it sounds like too pitchy or it sounds like there's something wrong with this mix or it sounds like, and I'm a, I'm a victim of that. I've been, you know, I'm like, uh,

because my ear is so desensitized with autotune. I was great to say. I think we're speaking from a very distinct part of this thing. Like, when we listen to music, we're listening to very distinct things. We're listening to pitch, tone, texture, things like that. I think the average consumer, I don't, I just think they just want to hear good music. I don't think they are listening the way we listen to music and shit like that. I think they want to hear a good beat, good melody, good rhythm, something that they can catch.

a catchy hook that they can get on the first listen and that's all they care about when we listen to it we're like oh this sounds you can tell that's fake

that's not this is AI I don't think the average consumer the average listener even gives a fuck about that I agree I think artists like

Brent Fias right like he doesn't use auto tune a lot of his music is just like super dry vocal yeah

imperfect vocal like and that's a style in its own you know what I'm saying and I don't think with all these AI you know

artists they can't emulate raw vocals because they're already like it makes it do auto tune it's like imprinted into the way there it's wired you can't tell it for that yet yeah you i mean not yet you can't tell the AI to be like be more human you can't do that you can't like oh there's a little texture there oh you're a little pitchy it's gonna be 100% on all the time you get what I'm saying so that's where my my debate was on ticot i'm like maybe we can go in this direction where it's like we stop using tunes so much and like maybe we combat it in

That way. It's just one way. I'm just trying to think of ways because there's no regulations yet. And as an artist in 2026, I'm like, how can we, you know, make sure that we good? But I think that's kind of Sizz's point with the unreleased part. Yeah. Because I'm sure a lot of that stuff that was unreleased. Then that's crazy. That they're taking the unreleased music. To the power point of it being raw vocals to teach, like I'm sure, Siza, you, you're an incredible vocalist. But you've been in the booth when you writing something, it's going to be all over. the place with raw vocals because you're writing at the top like demos. I don't know.

Not you. I'm sorry. No, no, not me. I'm saying like anyone. I think like everyone's always writing with tune. Like you get the SM7. I call the podcast mic now, but like you get the SM7 and you just throw some tune on there. That's so crazy. This has become the podcast. This is a podcast. I know it's Michael Jackson. Mike turns into a podcast. I hate the SM7. Every time somebody hands me in this in a session, I'm like, I don't want to use a podcast, Mike. I'm not using the shit. Really? I hate it on my voice. It's too warm. I like a like this is my favorite like before any artist gets in the booth and we're all writing, I love passing this mic around

everybody in the studio. I mean, it does its purpose, but for final vocals, I don't know, but yeah, where was I? With CISSA, like, with the unreleased stuff, I still think you're going to get the raw version of that that they can study.

But definitely, definitely Cizzer's just a, even though Ciz isn't how crazy vocalist, she would say that too. I think Cizza has a great voice and she has a distinct voice, but I think she's as part of her thing. Sure. even like writing nowadays too it's like are every artist is in there writing from melodies like you put the tune on because maybe the tune will fluctuate you to a melody that you didn't really think of and you're like oh shit that's kind of cool everyone's using tune so it's like

nobody's sending raw vocals like to a producer so they can it's like having a filter on yourself like nobody's putting in up a picture that don't got no filter on Instagram. You know what I'm saying? Nobody's going on the Instagram. Oh, they're going to kill you for that one. Okay, listen. Nobody's going on the Instagram app and taking a picture right on the. the Instagram app and posting it.

They're going to kill you for that one. I do think at this point, obviously in Ciz's career, yes, when she's even just writing, her settings are already there, her internalizing settings, no matter if she's just chilling. But I do think it's probably more of the raw or vocal, whether there's tune or not,

that can be studied with the unreleased stuff as opposed to just putting control through the system, more or less. I think, yeah, it's like, it's, I don't send, I don't send my vocals raw because I'm like, again, it's like, it's very vulnerable. I'm like, let's put some...

So you put a filter in your vote? Yeah, 100%. Okay. Because it's a record. And that's where I was telling, even though I could sing my ass off, I know I could sing. But it's a tool that you use in music to, especially if you can sing, where you don't have to go into the studio and be like, I needed a warm up for 35 minutes before. And I could just make music, you know? So that's how I use autotune.

And like, it's easy for me. It's versus a show. I don't use it on my shows. But, yeah, I just want to be able to just. write and create freely in the studio. And that's why I think every artist does in 2026, especially how Autotune is so default. So yeah, I think it's a, yeah,

I look at it as like a filter. It's like a little filter. And if you look really good, Instagram filter going to look really good on you. You know what I'm saying? And if you, you know, you don't look that good, you got to go heavy around the Instagram filter. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like I'm correlating in that sense, just to make people understand because I know this is really nerdy and techy. but yeah that's how I feel about it yeah because even like you know I don't think people would say Mary J's the greatest vocalist she used tune in the 90s and it's it works so fucking good

like said not sing that sorry you're okay I'm okay sorry you weren't at sound check in Toronto who we did our live show that song eats I'm not gonna lie that song was fire okay they gave us auto tune at our sound check in our Toronto show

because we had the opener. Okay. I think we should do a live show on Auto Tool. I think that would be the worst idea. Wait, you think you should do what? We had a performer in Toronto and the tune was already on the mics.

So we stayed to do our regular I hate doing sound check for a podcast because it's like, you guys can do this by yourself. I don't need to, you don't need my voice to say check, check, check. But the tune was still on. Yeah. And you hadn't gotten there yet. I sounded, I wanted to do the whole. whole.

The whole thing. It's fun. That's fucking hilarious. I'm not doing no show on live. He does a comedy routine with auto tune the whole time. No, what's some? Oh, I know what you're talking about on Instagram. He like going to the crowd and he's like, what's your name?

My name is a. Who's the, he's from Chicago. Famous, famous, famous comedian. He's like a white guy, right? No. No. Oh, okay. Oh, there is.

Oh, Hannibal. All right. So he stole this from Hannibal. Burris. He stole the Morgan J. Yeah, Hannibal Burris,

10 years ago, I would go to his shows and he would always bring his T-Pain set up and he would close his show by doing bits in auto to him. So yeah,

he definitely took that from Hannibal Burr's. Another AI person taking from black people. Got another one. The history, it just repeats itself. Of course it does.

You know that. It's crazy, man. It's sick. How are you feeling about the, the live show space these days? Man. I mean, the live show space

is why I keep continuing to do this because I just love performing. It's one of my favorite things to do. I think a lot of live shows, I feel like the bar is in hell so everybody can, everybody's thriving.

Yeah, I don't think people like really are really seasoning, seasoned and like really going hard at the art of performing live and how, because it's just so, like the technology that you have now, like with the tune mic and all these things,

like you don't have to prep and be like fucking, you know, make sure you got the lung capacity, make sure you're hitting every note, make sure you, it's like, throw some tune on there. Let's go do this.

Boom, out. It's like there's no kind of, you know, I get it. A live show you're saying. Put a live show. And that's what I said earlier in this, this on the show, I was like, I feel like I'm in the wrong generation because I'm just like so

I love performing. I love the art of it. I love like working hard and creating a show and an experience and, you know, doing shit that tune can catch, you know, like shit on the mic where you're like going to a whole different key and then you key change and all this. I love the theatrics. I'm so for that and that's something that I really enjoy when I go see a person live. one of the one of the greatest live shows I've seen is Jasmine Sullivan shout out to her voice

insane just super talented and can just steal a room with her voice and a mic and a light that's all you need you know but now these days

people are just throwing anybody up on the stage and it's like oh you got a little you got a little TikTok song let's throw your ass up on the stage get you like blah oh yeah

just burning them out they don't even know they don't even know what the fuck they're doing headline rolling loud yeah you were in your basement yesterday they don't even know what the fuck You don't even know to not do this to the mic.

Yeah. Like no kind of, like, it's just okay. Like, oh, it's okay. You got like, you know, millions and millions of streams and stuff. Like, you're good. You get up there and it's just like, no training, no, never even really wanted it. Never even wanted to be on stage like that. Never really wanted it.

They just like, oh, shit, just fell into. You know, and people are working really hard and trying to, like, you know, really perfect the craft of what it takes to be a live musician and art. artist and yeah it's sad everything is sad this whole episode sad everything is just so sad like if you never sang until a brush growing up I don't think I trust you I mean that my fan was the first off the fan was the first off the first off the first auto tune exactly let's make this even nerdyer I'm not going to ask you your top five favorite vocalist because I think you have such a beautiful volsetto who has the top five falsetto

Top five falsetto? Yeah. Damn. I mean, I'm not going to do five, but I'll do like... Three. Okay. DeAngelo? With you?

I think Prince has a really good falsetto, too. I agree with you. Yeah. I don't think he's like he doesn't use it as a... Like it doesn't symbolize him. Like it's not known for his falsehood, but he's... No, when Prince gets in that bag, it's... Like, it's like, he can do it.

You know, he's neat. And who else? Let's see. I know, I know Demaris is out the gate. She's losing her mind right now. Who? Who do you think,

Ryan, nice? I think you think Mariah, anything, Bogle. There's this weird thing that I read online, that I read somewhere that, like,

women don't have falsetto. Like, it's like something else. But I don't know. Again, it's nerdy shit, but I've read that, like,

it's like. Mariah isn't known for her falsetto. She's known for her. She's known for her. That's what I'm saying. I think, She's known for her whistle. Her whistle register.

No, but I hear you, but she also has... She has a beautiful falsetto. Yeah. That's not like her. She's known for her whistle. No, I know that her whistle shit is her go-to. Oh, what did I say?

Physicality. True falsetto means like vocal cords do not close completely leaving any of the... No. What? While men falsetto produces a very dramatic tonal shift, female vocal cords are shorter and thinner to begin with because of this,

a woman's transition to a falsetto sounds a much more seamless. That makes sense. Okay. So it's like it's not as obvious when women are using falsetto. Right. So that's what it is. It's like,

yeah. Because we work construction and breathe in dust. Yeah. Yeah. We are at war. Just gunpowder. Oh, yeah, man. Oh.

Um, I would put the dream up there and I know that's blasphemous. Why did I not say that? Actually, the dream is one of my top. He changed falsetto period. I know it's a song, he changed my life.

Because he was some, he's a, that album. I listened to in middle school, going into high school. What was it? Love, love and hate or some of that. Oh my God.

I'm repeat. Damn, you was in middle school when I came out? I was in high school. He might have been the first AI version of Walsito, though. You think so? He did something that T. Payne did with tune, but in a way different way.

Dream can sing without tune. I'm not saying that. But he made his style at that time as a solo artist. Because I've heard like his reference shit when he's using nothing. It sounds incredible. But that was his style.

It was adding so much tunes as Walsetto that everyone tried to match it. I don't think you get Jeremiah the same way if the dream doesn't exist. The amount of kids from that style of music is the dream with Wostetto shoot. Can I ask you guys something? T-pain or a dream?

Solo ass. As far as what? As what? As far as just artists. Like who? The dream? Yeah. The dream?

Yeah. Yeah, dream if you're adding in everything. What about cultural? Like, a cultural shift. T-Pain. But dream, if you look into what he wrote that shifted the culture, that's why I'm asking what exactly you mean about. Like, the dream T-Pain as artists or as everything else behind the scenes.

I guess like. Because it's dream kind of and then everyone else when it comes to- I guess like impact on the world. How about that? Oh, the dream. The dream? The dream. It's based off of the music that he's.

wrote and written. Yeah, right, right, right. For like other people too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, if you add that in, but I, just artist to artist, like solo acts, T. Payne is right there. I also think the dream doesn't have the confidence that he has with his style as a solo artist, if Payne didn't do that. Right. So, did you like his new song? I think he just dropped one. It's cool. I'm excited. Was it with Usher? Yes, Walsh. I'm excited for the album. The record's cool. I thought it was good. I like, there was like a pre-hook in there that's really like catchy. I was like, oh, he back a little bit. He's back a little bit.

He's back a little bit. I want, I want 1977 dream at this point. I'm, I want, I want fast car dream. Yeah. That song is class.

You know what I'm? Of course. Oh my God. Yeah, that album, that I'm, that I'm classic. I just,

I just, dream success. I need a woman to like really hurt him. Yeah. I need him to have a very, I need, I need,

I need dreams Iceman album at this point. Mm. Mm-hmm. Because 1977 was, Iceman. I'm just happy to him. Because he, Chris had a million. Him and Tricky are back working together.

Yeah. But Dreaming my thing needs, he needs that as a solo act. He needs a kick in the ass in his personal life. Because he could make hit records all day. Mm-hmm. But when it's his shit, I like when Dream is hurt by a woman. Like, for real, for real. Not for funsies in writing.

Like, listen, I told you I worked on 1977. We did the long-gone video. And when we was putting the treatment together, he said she wouldn't have said that. I said, this is make-believe. What you mean she wouldn't have said that? She wouldn't have said that. I'm not think she would have said anything.

No, I need that dream. Christina Millionian, I wouldn't have said that. Right. That's the dream I need right now. I'm looking forward to it, though. I hate the people who be like, oh, we need the artist to hurt because that shit hurts. I know. And we don't need that.

Yeah. I agree with you. It's like, damn, you know? No, we talk about that often. It's very fucked up. As fans, we do that. I hope your heartbreak soon. It's like, damn, bitch, I'm happy.

It's just a different emotion that I think artists tap into when they literally, you could hear it in their voice, their tone, you know, energy. You got to go through like some real shit to put it through. I mean, but that's what art is, right? It's supposed to be pulling from a real experience, real experience, yeah. No, and I mean, we get a very small taste of that in the podcast world. I had to go bury my friend and missed an episode.

and they said, you lazy fuck. I was like, I was at a funeral. Damn, what the hell? Talk about it. Talk about it. You lazy fuck is crazy. Yeah, talk about it. Crime mic.

Fucking bare minimum. My friend was murdered. Yeah. Oh, my God. You got to talk about it. You got to talk about it. So then I started to look at that perspective. Like, damn, I shouldn't put that on artists.

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