New Rory & MAL - Episode 516 | Leave Jay-Z Alone! + Joyce Wrice Stops By

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

With Baby D out, Rory and Mal discuss the Jay-Z outrage, with Funk Flex calling him and Charlamagne out for participating in the building of the Time Square casino. Family of the show, Joyce Wrice joins the guys, as she prepares to release her sophomore album, highlighted by singles “Break Me In” and “Crack The Code”. She shares about New York life vs. life in LA, making music inspired by the current dating scene, and some of her favorite artists to collaborate with. She also tells us more about her inspirations for her upcoming project, and Mal inquires about lesbian women making the best music in R&B. All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-foreverSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back. Yes, sir. You miss my welcome backs, didn't you? Yeah. My radio voice. I missed the cadence. What would I do without the welcome back? You liked it when Mace came back.

Loved it. It was a great time. That was a great return single, too. Such a Mace return single, right? It definitely was. And post-paster, like the kids. It was, yeah, it was like... I don't know Betha was back.

And when this beat drop, I know they're going to lean. Was that the best return single? Trying to think who else... Now you put me on the spot. I got to... Yeah, no, I mean, I just... This wasn't, like, on the docket, but now I'm just trying to think of...

The best return song, single. I'm sure people are screaming at their... Their car radios right now. Because I'm sure... Mace Welcome Back was not the best return one. No. But who left and like... That's what I'm trying to like, who left left?

And when Mace left? Like at that, in that prime like that. Show me what you got? But Jay never left, though. He retired. You didn't retire, man. Cut it out. He had a movie.

He retired because he gave you and leaked the keys. Like, it was over. He didn't retire. He retired and his return records would show me what you got. I'll never look at Jay like you retired, though. I know, but saying that you retired, like that type of thing. Hey, I'm done here. And then you come back.

I see. Like Jordan still returned with the four or five. Yeah. But nobody really thought he was going to just be. That's the best return single right there. Yeah. That's the best return single. What is that?

Malice. Yeah. I mean, Malice just in general. Yeah. But Malice is not a solo artist. It's not like. Yeah, Tupac, California level. That's him coming back, but he was in jail.

No one thought Pock was going to get out of jail and retire from rap. California Love was first day out about T. Grizzly. T. Grizzly was first day out too, right? Yeah, but that was our introduction. I mean, I'm sure the rest of Michigan knew. We didn't know who he was. Like, no, but out of prison. That's the best out of prison song.

Was California Love the first joint? Yeah. I don't know Hell yeah Was Adam Bail before that? Oh, now you California Love was the first single I think Pock had put some notes

Yeah, all right, cool Then yeah Yeah, California love It beats first day out I hate, like I'm sorry guys It was a joke Of course California Love

California Love Yeah Ryan, what do you pull it Unforgettable French Montana? Did the French disappear? Yeah, I guess Mace and Hove were the only ones that really retired, per se. Like, artists have taken a lot of time off, but, and yeah, malice too. All right, cool.

It's Malice Mace and Ho. That's the list right there. I'm sure there's other ones that we are forgetting. But how are you feeling? I'm good, man. How are you feeling? You all right? Yeah, I'm good.

Feeling better? Yeah. Everybody's been hitting my phone, checking all you. I'm like, he's good. man, he's getting better. He's good. Damaris texted me yesterday. Why didn't you tell everyone that you had a stroke?

Now everyone's hitting my phone. Was I supposed to send a mask text out? Hey, I know you... She said, why did you tell everybody? Why wouldn't you tell everyone? Like, because I really only told you guys, my mom, Kea. I didn't tell anyone about this shit. Somebody was like, why didn't you tell all your friends?

I was like, what do I send a text out? Hey, just a heads up, had a stroke. Like, I don't even know what that text looks like. Yeah. Mind you, I love you. you guys but I only told you guys because we worked together and I had to be somewhere. Yeah. Like, yeah, Ryan knew before some of my closest friends, but it was just because we had work.

Yeah, I get it. But yeah, Demaris was mad at me and we are without Demaris today, but she will be back next episode. She didn't have a stroke, did she? She did not have a stroke, no. Okay. No, but she did text me last night at 11 p.m. and said, I'm stuck in Dallas. I said, how the fuck did you get to Dallas?

Stop flying on the buddy passes, man. Well, no, there was so much bad weather that she caught the okey-doke of like Delta customer service of like, you know, you could fly to Denver, then to Vancouver and we'll have you back in New York. In no time. In no time. Fly you to the West Coast to bring you back to New York. I don't repeat myself. I know I said it off, Mike, but when we were in Houston one time and there was terrible weather in New York, everyone in the Paloza crew was like, we're going to be. couldn't get back. I was like, we should probably just wait out the storm guys. Like in Houston,

it's totally. It's fine. Fine. They flew, Pige, I think you were part of the crew. You guys flew to what, Minnesota? No, I think it was, it was- Troy makes sense, that's a hub. So, I feel like it was like Minneapolis, then Detroit, then you guys took a plane to Philly and took the train from Philly to New York. Maul, mind you, I beat them home. And I took a direct flight from Houston to New York, and I beat them home. I was like, guy, I think you're kind of jumping the gun right here. Yeah. Let's just stay put for a day. Yeah, relax. We have we have we have the mall right across the street, Galleria, cheesecake factory. Why do you guys want to fly to Philly and take a train? I never understood why people like be such in a rush to like fly unless I mean

obviously if you have to get back home to do things but it's like if it's weather related and it's like nothing that the airlines can do like it's okay to just stay where you're at. No one had an emergency mind you at that point I was still working a nine to five job. I sent them screenshots of my flight being canceled. I was like, I'll get home when I can. And they were like, well, yeah, you sent the proof. Yeah. All right. Yeah. See when you get back? Yeah. Russian to do all that. No. No. I'll stay in Houston any day.

I'll smoke hookah in 90 degree weather. Any day. Instead of going back to snowy New York. Not smoking hookah, but I'll stay in Houston over flying in Minnesota any day. For sure. I did see that the Hovesmere campaign is still still on the rise. is there's a new like a new thing what's the latest what's the latest in the whole smear campaign

what's the latest in the greatest peach all right here here's my thing i i've kind of wanted to stay away from a lot of this because one we get accused to be in hovengers but we call ourselves that and this is what it is um no we've we've never been uh paid by rock nation we never been paid by rock nation we have no marching orders not on anybody's payroll but i can see where people think we wouldn't be objective and we admit when we're not being objective when it comes to hove. So I've tried to stay out of this because anything we say, no one's really going to, you know, take with an objective ear. I've loved what Wayno. Wayno has been giving nothing but common sense to the world with this new hove smear campaign. According to, and I didn't want to

give light to it because it's a bunch of weirdos on the internet. It's not like real. It's not something that's actually happening in the world. There's just a selective part of the internet that are Nikki stands and Drake stands that are just on this huge JZ smear campaign. So the point now that yesterday the trending topic was that JZ has a ghostwriter and has never written any of his own rhymes. That's how far we've gotten. Yeah, but shit like that. No, but they're saying it with conviction and matter of fact.

Yeah, but that's, you know, I don't see, those are the things that y'all like to talk about and get into. I don't really, I don't pay that shit no while. Well, again, it's been going on and we haven't talked about it because I don't want to give light to just a weird specific part of the internet. And like, you know, they're saying that Hoves' new album only sold $30,000.

It's like, it's a 30th anniversary. It's a resale of just vinyl. Again, yeah, you can't, you know what I mean? That type of stuff you can't really get into it. But why I want to talk about it now is because it reached Funk Flex.

Two days ago, Flex went on a 47 minute rant. I timed it. Well, YouTube did. Of talking about Jay-Z. It has now gotten to the point where it is becoming trending and cool

and you get clicks if you shit on Jay-Z now. I didn't think we'd ever get to this point, but we did see it with Eminem as well, which I even participated in not to get clicks, but that's just how I felt. I didn't think we'd get to this point with HOVE, but we have seen it with a lot of artists. We've seen it with Drake, we've seen it with M, and now it's

Jay-Z's turn on the Summer Jam screen ironically. I don't know what about this anniversary has sparked everyone to now start the Jay-Z hate But we're here. He did the Super Bowl deal, what, in 2020? Was that before or after COVID? Before COVID, I think.

Before COVID. 2019. Signed in 2019, five-year, $25 million contract. The NFL and Rock Nation extended the agreement in October, 24 for another five years. Here's my thing. I totally understand people that were against what Hove had done. And I've been objective. I think there's one weakness that Jay-Z has sometimes.

It is how he markets announcements. I thought the title situation was incredible what he did, but I think how he announced it with a bunch of multimillionaires on stage saying, hey, we're not making enough money. Please buy into our things so we can make more money. was not the right marketing tool for the average fan. I'm looking at a bunch of millionaires telling me they're not making money, which is the truth.

An artist should get their fair share, but the regular consumer doesn't care that much about it. They just want to hear music. I also thought his situation with the NFL and having that sound bite, with or without the context, were past kneeling, was not a great look, PR-wise, for hope.

Having one at the table, Goodell, but I don't know why Flex seven years later is now talking for 47 minutes about this. Like you can feel a way about it. I would never be mad at someone saying,

hey, I felt like it went against what column Kaepernick was doing, even though Kaepernick had already had his settlement with the NFL at that point and no pun intended, it was past kneeling at that point. They settled.

Why were people so upset about that with past kneeling thing? Like, shouldn't you be past, need shouldn't you be like let's let's do something more more actionable let's let's take it to another level like what is wrong with saying we're past kneeling

like shouldn't you be progress shouldn't be like okay we're on we're doing something else now I think people perceive that as kind of and I'm not saying Jay was doing this but kind of dismissing what Cap had done kind of it to some people it came across dismissive

of like we're past the kneeling thing but Cap and Nick dismissed what he had done he's signed a settlement with the NFL. Fair. No, I agree, but I'm saying how people perceive it. So he was pat, the guy who kneeled was past kneeling. But you're trying to give an accurate timeline when that's not what I'm doing. So now that we're talking about it, we have to put those things out there.

Yeah, no, I agree. But people were taking that as it was going against Kaepernick and everything that he had done. And we said, even when we were potting at that time, we don't know exactly what it is. Let's see what Jay does with it. because at that point with that press conference, I didn't fully understand, like, okay, he's teaming up with the NFL for, what are we doing?

And I've mocked the end racism in the end zone. I mean, I just don't know what that does. I don't think anyone that's racist at a football game sees that and goes, oh, I never thought of it that way. I think people were waiting to see what this was really going to do with the community, with the NFL.

And from what it seems like, Jay has just put a lot of people of color at the halftime show, which I think is great. I just think people took it as, okay, if you're going to quote unquote dismiss Colin Kaepernick's actions, just doing a halftime show, what is that really doing for the people? Like, don't do a whole press conference, like, you're here for the people when it's like, okay. What was Neal and doing for the people? I think it brought more attention and conversation to police brutality. I think it did. I certainly think it did. And I think the severity of what it did to Cap's career

showed the hypocrisy of the NFL and showed the hypocrisy of how people viewed police brutality. Are players still kneeling? No. So the players are past it. Sure. And I think you're looking at kneeling as the thing, whereas the message was more...

But that's what Jay said. We're past kneeling. For sure. But is the solution... Who is still kneeling? We're past kneeling, but thank God Shakira's doing half-time. Like, I think that's where people are viewing. But again, that's people making it what they, you know, their own take on what he's saying.

I'm just saying if somebody says, we're past kneeling, where we should be on tomorrow, you know, let's do something better and do something bigger and do something that impacts people on a broader scale than just kneeling. I just don't see how people took that in a negative connotation. Like, you should be past kneeling. Just like, I mean, I don't see any other players kneeling anymore. I don't see in racism in the end zone anymore. I don't see when the NBA had the lockout, they're in the bubble when they had all the things on their juries. You don't see any of that anymore. So people are past those things.

Like, so I'm just saying where's the outrage for everything across the board when it comes to that? Yeah, I hear you. I just think again, when you say past kneeling, all right, we're past kneeling. So the next thing is Rihanna at the Super Bowl. That's where I think people felt odd about it. Like, all right, we gave Jay the six months that he was asking. When he talked to other radio personalities, like, yo, give me six months, see what I do with it. And I'm sure there's a lot of programs in the NFL now that has to do with kids from the inner city, minorities, this and that.

I know that they've done a lot more programs. Those just don't get highlighted. Shakira and J-Lo gets highlighted. Bad Bunny gets highlighted. So I hear that. But I do want to ask you with all this talk about. about Jay Z now in a negative light, which is what they do anytime you're trying to do something.

Let's go find the one or two negative things about you and not even think about the hundred great things. Do you think people give hope too much credit in the activist world? I think, again, this is coming from a white person, so bear with, I'm outside looking in. I guess I never, I think Jay has done a lot of great things for the community, but I always look at Jay as who he says,

is. I'm a hustler. I'm here to get money. Like, he's a capitalist. So maybe that's why I don't, did I agree with the Barclay Center and how it pushed out a bunch of people, even though Hove had a very minuscule part of that. They did make them the face, but that was happening with or without JC. Like, let's make that fucking very clear. Did I agree? No, that did change that neighborhood drastically. But Barclay Center wasn't the only thing that changed that part of Brooklyn. with or without a stadium, flatbush is getting changed. Does Hove get the flack

as an activist when he's clearly not one? Because now people are like, yo, you can't do this and have these press conferences and you're moving around like activists, but then you go do the Barclays thing, then you do the deal with the NFL. I'm like, well, when did,

does he say he's this socialist activist? I don't know when he's ever said that. No, I don't think he's ever said that. I just think, again, you know, People just, you're going to find a way to, you know, see a flaw in everything, some people. It has to be a negative and everything. There has to be a selfish reason and everything. And like you said, you know, Jay is a businessman.

He's here to make money doing things that he feel aligned with him and his purpose. He does a lot of giving back as well, done a lot of scott, giving away a lot of scholarships to kids to go to college and things like that. continues to do a lot of things in the community, things that we don't know about every day because you don't hear about it every day. But I mean, if he's making money and he's also giving away money, I mean, isn't that what this whole thing is about? Yeah. Like, you have to make money and then if you want to spread the wealth and give other people

opportunities and give young people, you know, a chance to pursue their dreams and things like that. You have to make money. You have to create income and create avenues for those things to happen. So, you know, somebody feels like, oh, he's doing that. halftime show, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, but then look at what's coming off the back of that, though. What was, what's the result? What's the end result of him now taking over the entertainment for the halftime show, which is one of the biggest shows, biggest stages in

our culture? Look at the things that come away from that, though, that come off of that. Like, what are the opportunities? I don't know all of them off top, but I'm pretty sure that it's created opportunities for people where it may not have existed at one point. And this isn't even capen furhows. Again, I disagree with some of the moves that he's made, but I don't think those define him. I do, I hate to use

like the buzzword white privilege thing, but it does, like Jeff Bezos does more charity than people know about, but no one puts the pressure on Jeff Bezos to be some activist, or how come he's not giving more money to charity? His wife, when they did the divorce, like, gave

away, she was like the third richest person in the world after the divorce, gave out all her money, but no one puts the pressure on every move that she makes that it has to be for the people or she's not allowed to be a capitalist because she also does charity as well. I think it's fucked up the pressure that they put on hove that he's supposed to be this person when he's not, he's not saying he is. But that's what comes with it though. That's part of the deal.

Like when you're in a position like that, you have to take everything that comes with that. You got to take the good, you got to take the bad, the negative. You have to take all of it. But, you know, as long as you know, you know, with your morals align and things like that and things that you're doing. Again, financial grants to Big Brother, Big Sisters of America, Operation Hope, United Negro College Fund, rock nation routinely attaches direct charitable contribution to major NFL events, like donating 400,000 to the Chicago-based Better Boys Foundation Family Services,

you know, the team rocks philanthropic, social justice division, you know, Yogi's in charge of pressure in state governments regarding inhumane prison conditions, things like that. Like there are other legs and other avenues that come off the back.

Like people just see he's in charge of the halftime show or the entertainment for the Super Bowl and they think it stops there. It's other things that are happening. So if you're going to be outraged and mad, like cool, but let it do your due diligence and understand the full scale of what's happening

before you decide to think it's just a selfish act and it's all about just Jay getting money because I mean, I'm not counting nobody's pockets here. Five years, $25 million a deal. $5 million a year, that's not a lot of money for Jay. Not even. So when people say, oh, this is just money. It's just that, again, I'm not counting nobody.

This is public information. I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess that $5 million is not a lot of money to judge. Jay Z. You know what I mean? That would have to be something he wants to do, not something he's doing financially. So that would say that it's something that he wants to do that he feels like it's going to create opportunities to do other things, put people that look like us from our culture in different spaces and on a different platform, things like that. So it can't be a selfish thing because it's not a lot of money that we're talking about it.

And I guess I'm fine with anyone can feel however they want about Jay Z that if you want to hop on this. social media trend right now of hating him and pointing out as far as cool like whatever everyone has their day i would just ask the question why is he the only billionaire that we put the pressure on where he can't be a capitalist and do philanthropic that i can never say that word philanthropic that's not the word philanthropic i don't think that's it i think that's an island it's not philanthropic what philanthropy oh philanthropy okay yeah same same thing philanthropy philanthropy philanthropic i had a stroke um Give me a stroke now. Why is he the only billionaire that can't be both?

Because no other billionaire gives shit when... You know why. He can't be a capitalist. He's a rapper. That's all people ever are going to view jazz. No matter the amount of business he does, no matter how far removed from rap he is, 30 years, we're celebrating 30 since his first album,

30 years. No matter what, he will always be a drug dealing rapper from Marcy Projects. I mean, even like... So everything has to be. about money. And it's like he just cares about money. He doesn't care about.

He does care about money, which is cool. You should care about money. Everybody should be doing something that creates income to do other things and put people in better positions. Like, absolutely. Yeah, I don't know. I just think it's odd. The double standards when it comes to Jay versus any other capitalist billionaire.

It just doesn't get brought up at all. The New York Post put out that the tickets. ticket prices are dropping and they have a deal with seat geek already in the fine print. It's just so much mental gymnastics that's happening with this week that I just don't,

are y'all not exhausted of hating someone as much? It's just weird. New York Post, ticket prices are dropping fast for the Jay-Z three Yankee Stadium concepts. All right, first of all three sold out in the first day.

These are resale. Yeah, so people bought them so they could sell them for a profit, which happens with the Taylor Swift show. It happens with every, show and as the date gets closer and people don't buy the

outrageous resale prices. Of course they're going to drop. Yeah. You bought the ticket for 500. You're selling it for 3,000. It's got to drop. Yeah. Yeah. And New York Post has a deal with a ticket seller. This is promotion to

my tip. Never mind. You know, people don't think that deep into it, man. It's just, you know, I understand it. That's what just comes with being in a certain position. So is what it is. And, obviously. obviously, which Dame has been saying since the first breakfast club interview that Charlemagne has been working for Rock Nation of Jay-Z. I came on this pod a year ago. I have a lot of ties in Manhattan Plaza, which is in Times Square, which is the biggest community in Times Square.

So if you're trying to open a casino, you have to get the biggest community on board. So Charlemagne, Fat Joe, what's the other girl's name, Peach? Angela Ry. Angela Rye, Fat Joe, Charlemagne, have been at Manhattan Plaza multiple times at the town council meeting shit. They've been at the wine shop. They've been talking to residents.

Yeah, they work for Rock Nation. Now, I think there's a conflict of interest and I don't know all the radio rules. Promoting it the way Charlemagne did on the breakfast club, I don't know if that goes against a radio law. I'm not sure. So I'm not here to say Charlamagne did anything illegal. But that has been pointed out,

the way he positioned it as if he wasn't part of it, of like, oh, it'd be great for him. There may be some dicey things in there, but back to capitalism. If Charlemagne has the opportunity to have stake into a casino that may open in Times Square, he's supposed to say no? I'm just a little confused. Okay, is that going to sway his opinions on the radio? Maybe. but we're acting like Jay-Z is on Love Island.

Like there's a Jay-Z story every day. I don't know if that's really affected Charlemagne's opinion as a radio host the last 15 years because Jay-Z does something once every seven years. Has that really compromised Charlemagne? And you know I rarely defend Charlemagne. I just don't really see this whole gotcha moment. I know casual fans are now finding that out,

but everybody knows within this industry that Charlemagne has been advocating for this casino because he has staking it. He works with Rock on that. Like, he wasn't even trying to hide it. This old gotcha moment, daw he was advocating publicly about it. Like, yeah, Fat Joe, too.

He works for Rock Nation. If your brother say, hey, Moro, Roy, you guys want to end on this Sears Powell shit? You fucking right, I will. That has nothing to do with what I think about kingdom come. Right. Like, what are we talking about? Yeah.

I think a lot of this gotcha shit is because people are bored. You're trying to make something out of nothing. Charlemagne is a businessman. He's a capitalist. He wrote seven books about mental health and he's doing his mental spite. He's a capitalist, which is fine.

Yeah, but you gotta remember though. It's a part of this whole thing, though. You have to have this side of it, then you have to have this side of it. I just find it funny that people that are compromised by, admittedly been compromised by other artists, are now mad that someone else may be compromised by another artist. Right.

Yeah, but again, I don't, I don't. And also, what is Charlemagne saying? As far as Jay-Z music takes go, that we was like, damn, nah, 444 was trash. Why Charlemagne said that was good? Like, what is compromised? Yeah. I thought when I accused, and allegedly,

back in the day, there was the rumor of Atlantic, having a lot of money within the breakfast club. To me, that's different when it's a whole roster of artists. But cool, that's the game. Star came on, I think it was Combat Jack, and said when he was on Hot 97 was the biggest thing. Move in, then he went to Power 105. Leor Cohen said, here's an advance for you to make a compilation album.

Here's $150,000. Starr said, okay, I'm on Def Jam to do. Funk Flex, signed a Def Jam at one point. He was a DJ. And I'm not saying Flex, took any payola, but there's loopholes. Start, started working on the album and went to Leor's office like, hey, I got some stuff that I'm working on.

And Lear said, why? You don't need to make an album. Just take the money. Right. I gave you the money to make an album. You don't have a release date. Yeah. This is not new.

And I'm not saying correct paola. I'm not accusing anyone of that because that is illegal. I'm just saying if you think that companies labels have not been in bed with radio or radio personalities or DJs, and I'm not saying payola, even just paid ads,

you are out of your fucking mind. Yeah, it's all part of it. It's all part of the whole system and just how things go. But, you know, more specifically to somebody like what Jay is doing on the business side and people feeling like, you know,

anybody that aligns with him can now not have an under biased opinion. It's just, like you said, when it comes to music, Jay doesn't occupy the space the way he once did when it comes to music. So, you know, on the business side, if it's this opportunity to partner with, you know, whether it's the NFL or, you know, the casino and things like that, you know, I mean, this was, how does that affect, one thing affect the other thing? It's just I don't understand that. And because I was, um, closer than the average person to, you know, to the casino thing, not via rock nation,

via living in that community. I was extremely close to the meetings that were happening. I was in those meetings as a resident of that building. I was there. So I have more information than the average person. Charlemagne going on the radio and saying, hey, I think it would be a good idea for a casino to be in Times Square.

It could bring a lot of stuff, a lot of positive things to that area. There's not a lot going on outside of the fucking Eminem store, this could bring a lot of stuff, changes nothing. Unless somebody living in Manhattan Plaza that could vote on that was listening to Power 105 that day, it changes nothing. And Charlemagne was already there advocating the way any other politician would advocate if they were running for office in that same conference room in Manhattan Plaza. You coming on the radio for somebody living in Connecticut, they have no pull on this. Like what does Charlemagne manipulate?

here. Yeah. With advocating, because you can't vote for it. Right. But people are not thinking like that, though. People are not. It's very surface level, just react to the headline and the fact that people already

have their opinions about who Jay-Z is as a person. It's all of those things. It's not like you're just saying, all right, what is it affecting, no, really. And then not put a casino in Times Square as opposed to putting what in Times Square now? What do we need? another sneaker store? You need another, you know, like Sam Ash or something like that? Sam, like, what do you need another of in a casino will bring how many jobs?

How many people can actually, you know, work in a casino? And now, you know, to me, it's a positive. I get it. People say, oh, but, you know, times people are broke and people like, I can't tell. As much money as Fandu reports, they make a month in New York, I can't tell that people don't have money. I can't tell that people are broke. Like people are gambling somewhere.

People are spending money somewhere. I mean, they're going to think I'm on the take here and I'm not because in the beginning I was, casinos do statistically bring more crime to an area. And a place like Manhattan Plaza, which is like right on the cusp of between Hell's Kitchen and Times Square is the only residential area that would be affected by something like that because everything else is commercialism and tourism. They have to live there. So it bringing, you know, they just clean it up.

Times Square used to be when you were growing up was a shithole. When I was growing up, it changed. Like Rudy cleaned the shit up. I was like, I don't know, that could be kind of crazy, but Rock, out of everyone that was trying to bid for what they pitched to Manat Plaza, it was a lot of community programs, a lot of things for the kids that they wanted to do with getting the bid

for the casino. There's a lot of shit that was involved with it, not just slot machines right here. Which I don't know if any other company that bid from what I saw was not pitching the actual community side and the youth and things that

with the money that comes from this casino we could redo this whole fucking community for y'all yeah like this playground can change tomorrow

type thing which I think is good and I'm I'm not saying you're wrong if you're like don't have a casino next to my fucking apartment

but I don't think Charlemaine or Fat Joe is changing anything in that regard yeah like I just don't and if you're like

If they have the opportunity to be a part of it, and I mean, it didn't pass, but you're taking that too. Anyone talking about that, you taking it too. Yeah, I just, you know, I don't get it, man. Pige, maybe I'm just getting too old. I don't really care about shit like that. Like, people get upset at it in it. I'm just like, y'all are not upset about this for real. We have a friend of the show coming on right now to have a great conversation.

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Step up. Last time she was on the show, we were in my living room. Was that the last time? We're moving up like the Jefferson's over here. Or if you want to include the radio room. Yes. For BET, but that's... Oh, yeah.

Okay, okay. I knew we saw Joyce since then. Yeah, that was two years. That was last year. That was last year. Last year, yeah. Yeah, last year. And then we were in your living room.

Yes. Doing choreo. Yeah, that was a different time. Or that was a different time. You pulled your tour bus into my driveway. And we fed the whole tour. I missed that. I missed that.

She taught everyone the choreography for the show. Yeah, it was a good time. That was so fun. Yeah. How are you feeling, Joyce? I'm feeling good. I'm in New York. You are in New York.

Why does New York make you smile like that? What is it about, wait? Who you know out here? That's a New Yorker. I haven't smiled about New York like that in a very long time. But that's because you're from here. That's because I am from me. saying.

Yes. I just feel like there's so much life in New York compared to L.A. Yeah, the energy is different. Yeah, it's just right in front of you. Do you feel like this is more your energy? Right now, I would like for it to be my energy. Like you like the hustle of it, the get up and go. I do.

I think my time in L.A. is getting a bit. I don't know if I would say stagnant. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know. everyone says it's different visiting New York and then like really being here

anywhere. I feel like that's always different visiting get a week or two, maybe a month and then you're like, all right, I can go back home now. I think for me, L.A., it's like you've got to drive everywhere. I'll hear you step out and it's like... L.A. has energy, but you have to drive to the energy. Yeah. And then sit in traffic in between with no energy. Like New York, you can, if you walk out of our studio now,

there's energy outside the moment you hit the street. Does L.A. have the city bikes? Do they have that? They, I feel like they do in like downtown. What is the birds, the birdies? What is it called? Scootie bikes. Lime scooters.

Doesn't Ray J. Have a monopoly over there? No, no. Is it city? Scooty bikes are not. It's not city. Eddie would know. He lives in downtown.

It's not. I don't think it's. Sorry to hear that. I know you have to. You must be voting Republican. enough. Y'all have the lime. You have mom scooters for sure.

We have the scooters, which I don't really care for scooters. Uh-huh. Yo, if I was driving down sunset and seeing Joyce in the scooty lane. I'm like terrified of getting on those. On a scooter? Why?

I don't know. I'm just, I've always thought like, what if the battery dies? Yeah, and then you just fucking fall off. It is like, it is a little irresponsible, I feel like, for all the states to just give people scooters and bikes.

Like no test whatsoever. We've never seen you ride a two-wheeler and now we're just giving people. They don't take a breathalyzer. Right. Like you could just get on a scooter that goes, that shit goes like 20 miles an hour. You know who else? Another city that's big on the scooters is D.C. When we get that broccoli, broccoli fest.

Yeah. Like a lot of people couldn't get Uber's after because it was just so many people coming out of. A bunch of sober people at a festival, right? But everybody, it was like 80 scooters just available and everybody just jumped on a scooter. If that's the case, I would bug it out. But, Jasmine, I remember we were doing stuff in San Francisco for Super Bowl.

And she was like, we need to get to the next spot ASAP. Me and you will just get on a scooter. I'm like, girl, and I'm in heels, pumped. A scooter? Wait, both y'all on one scooter? I think that was her. She might have, I can't remember.

I'm like, I'm good. Listen, we got to go. Yeah, we got to go. Listen, I like that, though. I respect that. Somebody that's just like, listen, we got to get here. If this is the best way to do it, let's fucking do it. I think I respect that.

I'd rather get on the bike. Yeah, the bike for sure. I have a bike that I use sometimes in the city. Using it in New York, you have to like be paying attention. You can't just be like a novice bike rider in Manhattan. And if you have a credit card, they'll put you on a bike. Yeah. Like to me, that's dangerous.

And not, no, the traffic is what makes it in New York. Like the traffic in New York, I commend a lot of people that I see use the bikes daily. And I'm just like, bro, how are you just on Madison dipping in and out of traffic like this? like rush hour. You got buses and cars to deal with. I think I'd just rather walk at that point. Yeah. The first time, do you remember brunch bounce?

Yes. No, a throwback. So I'm getting, it's like 15 years old. Brunch bounce went to Miami for the first time. I remember that. So we all went down to Miami. I think Palooza had started at that point.

And you know, like, the bikes that you can get, what is that, on ocean in Miami? Like those electric school shits here. So we took a wrong turn trying to get. to brunch bounce on those and we ended up on 95. On the highway. It's three of us on the high because we took the turn and you couldn't turn around. Yeah.

So we're on like the bikes like in the breakdown lane trying to get to the exit. Them shit can only go so fast. Yeah. So you just see the three. Feels like a life. It feels like a lifetime. Feels like 30 minutes trying to get into the next. Shit just zooming past us.

Yeah, no, that's crazy. Yeah, that was terrifying. But anyways, yes, we are. back. Joyce is here. Joyce, we consider you a friend, but we are also fans. So as your friend, we love you, but as a fan, we kind of hate you. It's been a long time.

I know. The fuck has been going on. It's been like... 2021 was the last full. So over, yes. The last full progress. The last full 2021. E.P. Ice Tea with Kate Janata 22.

And, you know, I did. See, you've had, you've been, you've been like, we've heard you. I've done features, yes. Thankfully, I've done features. I had a feature ride. You and Isaiah Falls have an incredible record. Oh my gosh.

That record is incredible. Yeah. I love Isaiah. I, to this day, I'm like, damn, thanks for asking me to be on this record because the amount of times I hear it on TikTok is insane. That has, that had to have reached number one on TikTok or close to it, top five for sure. I hope so. It was also like Urban AC.

like top two. Yeah. So. Because you can't, you couldn't open TikTok. And not hear that. Even still today, like you open TikTok and you're going to hear about the fly. Yeah, I'm still tagged in all those things.

So shout out to Isaiah Fall. It's also a good song too. Yeah. Outside of the 10 seconds that TikTok takes from. Yes. Like, it's a good song. It is a great song. Of course, TikTok can help launch it.

But yes, it's a great record. But he knows how to make that snippet. Yep. He's really, really good at that part. Yeah. Thankfully, I've done some features, but after I put out iced tea and as you know, Overgrown, which Overgrown took some time for me to make as well. I think I gained a lot of new fans from Overgrown,

so some of them don't really know who I was before that, but like I had some music before that. But yeah, after I made Ice Tea and I was doing festivals and things like that, I just, I was definitely ready to make my second album. But I didn't know what I wanted to talk about. I didn't know what I had to say. Just, yeah, I was just figuring out what sound I was going for. So I took my time to figure that out.

And I also, I did a lot of sessions with many different people. We have like over 100 songs. Yeah. Towards the album in just these past few years. So thankfully I've finally found a home for this second album. Was there a specific event that made you go, this is what I want to talk about? Or just taking the four years in between to like live for a little bit?

Yeah, I mean, I definitely, so I was still going into the studio and working with people. And I would just kind of freestyle and journal a lot. and really more so look inward. A lot of my old, like my previous music is about heartbreak. And I realize like I'm inspired by men that I encounter and indulge in. And so at that time too. You're inspired by men you encounter and indulge. Yeah.

Like I realize. That's up there with entanglement. Yeah. That might be entanglement. Men that I indulge in. Okay. All right. inspired by

yeah like I haven't been in a committed relationship since prior to overgrown so indulgent um

okay yeah and where was I going with that um yeah and I was single for the first time and not like sad about it

yeah I was at Pete like think feels good to not have someone you know yeah bothering you or just not

bothering you. I'm sorry, but like... Indulgent, bothering you. Joyce, you don't want a boyfriend. You don't want a relationship. I think we... Or I think, you know, I just hadn't met anyone interesting yet.

So I was feeling like kind of, it was just blank. Yeah. But obviously there's so much to talk about outside of that shit. But it was an R&B girly. And I think now after working on this album, I can, I enjoy understanding what my space in romance and dating looks like through music.

Like that's where, does that make sense? What do you mean by expound a little bit more? I think I know what you're saying. Yeah, like whenever I meet somebody, I love to go right into, okay, I want to just start singing and writing about this. Or like if some shit's bothering me in that capacity. I love to understand it and explore it in music. We do that in the pod and it ruined every relationship we've ever had. Yeah, we tried that.

I'm sure. Didn't work out. Ours just doesn't have melody, but it's the same thing. It's the same thing. It didn't work out for us. Has that scared people away or like affected like early talking phases? Like what do you mean because they're business or what do you mean? Not business per se, but taking situations that you're going

through and putting it on a song, even if that song doesn't go out, like just listening to it in the car with them. I could see some people loving that and then other people being like, whoa, I didn't sign up for this. Yeah, there is a time where I was writing music and I was in a relationship. And again, I never talked to this. I never spoke to him about how I was feeling about our relationship. You did it through the music. And I did it through the music. And we, when I played him the music, it's all about me wanting to be single and kind of feeling miserable in the relationship. Not miserable.

Because that's got to be rough, though. Like you excited to hear your girl's music, you're supportive. And you're like, hmm, she wants to be single. As it was playing in the car, I was like, Joyce, this is like, what are you doing? This is. It didn't hit you until you pressed play. Like, I probably shouldn't. Yeah, I was like, you know what?

Okay. But what was that conversation? like though. With him? Yeah. Did he bring it up like hey is this just music or? Is this just music? Like are you living your rhyme right now? I can't remember it's so foggy probably because I don't want to remember it was so awkward but I remember him being him like not singing but saying some of the lines like like like why y'all in the mall? He was something single. He goes back to a bar like yeah. I wrote it with Amp Clemens. I think I got to be single something some line like that and he's said it and I was just like yeah.

Ant expressed that off mic to me as well. Perfect writing partner for that one. This was like 20, I think 2018, but. Wait, is this blurred lines? No, this is, he was after the blurred lines. Burled lines is about someone else. Because you tore him apart. I know.

What's blurred line guys doing right now? Yeah, where's blurred lines? We need to check on him. I ran into him at family style fest. Uh-huh. Is he okay? Is he life treating him well? I mean, that's not my...

Is life treating them better than you did? Not your concern, but... I will say he looked... Collateral damage. He looked great. He looked good. Okay. And he's the only person I've actually blocked.

I'm not a blocker, but he's the only person I blocked. To this day, he's blocked. I mean, the second half of blurred lines with a breakdown. Yeah, I can see that leading to a block for sure. Sometimes you got to block people, though. Yeah, sometimes. Then, yeah. For your, just for your sanity.

Yeah. I mean, for me, I'm blocking. you if like you won't leave me the fuck alone. Yeah, exactly. Thankfully, I haven't encountered. Well, the lines weren't blurred for him, clearly. Exactly. No, he knew exactly what he was doing.

Yeah, he knew what he was doing. There's no line here. He knew what he was doing. There's not a boundary in sight. Oh, man. Well, you have two records out now. Yes, yes. Yeah, Joyce, we gotta get into these titles.

Fast forward. We're single, now we're cracking the code. Yeah. Now we're getting broken in. Break me in, crack the code. Joyce, who you got to do. you talking to? Who are you talking to? Okay. So we made break me in and crack the code last year at my first riding camp. Okay. And the right it's it's pretty much thankfully I've found like

a couple of writers that are like I have such a good relationship with like chemistry with. And I was just telling them, like, y'all, I'm having such a hard time dating and meeting people. And it's been some years. I'm not celibate, but I'm like, I think there's a lot of us women who we haven't met men that we want to hook up with. And so with Break Me In, it's like my, I guess, manifestation song of like, where the fuck are you? come see me right now because I can't take this any longer and it's it's a bit of

a message to someone that I ended things with like I haven't had the best time with anyone since him so it's also too kind of it's that that IG story that's for someone specific but you view it and he didn't view it yet so he's viewed it but

he caught the subs in the record I don't know know if he knows if it's it I don't I don't know if he knows that it's about him okay but we always know maybe we always know it's not that specific okay lyrically that would make him think it's him okay this is break me in you told mom crack the code is I would say he crack the code is inspired by I would say three people all right hold on no hold on hold on hold on so I think I was still on break me in because I want to know if his girlfriend listens to the song he's sitting there quiet

in the car this is too much information no this is this is this is what we couldn't do at the beat media media yeah this is great so break me in is about one guy I would say it's about one one guy one in a possible maybe yeah okay and yeah and crack the code is about three guys yeah like So do any of those guys know that that song may be about them? Or do you always keep it like very like? Yeah, I don't tell. Yeah, I don't tell. Is Crack the cold like listen to the song?

Like you'll know it's about you like. I'm not saying. No, just because if there was one per, out of the three, one of them, I would, I would say that to him if it. And any of those things. It wouldn't, he wouldn't like that the song is about him because I. I don't want to be with, like we're not, I don't think we're supposed to be together. God, okay. Okay.

So he would take it as hope. But it's more so like you got through to me. Like, you know, that type of metaphor with him. Any of those three guys, do you see yourself when, only two? Do you see yourself being with? Well, one of them has a girlfriend. One of them has a girlfriend. And no.

And I also ended that one too. Okay. And then the other, no, not the other person, no. Okay. It'd be more embarrassing if you thought it was about you when it wasn't. No, listen, I, listen, I would, I would be honored for a woman to write a song about me and, like, our relationship and our experience. So I'm not, it's not a negative thing. You don't think there's songs out there about mall?

I've never dated songs about mall. Songs about mall would be a great. That's smooth. I've never dated, like, singers or, like, songwriters, like, seriously. So, no, I would be very surprised if it was a good. a song about me. Unless it's someone who you don't know who does music and is writing about, singing about it.

If I dated a girl and I don't know she does music, that would be crazy. I would never say. I mean like a fan, like someone who is like, like doesn't know me? Yeah. I would be flat. She's manifesting. Like I will be, listen, if there's any woman out there. Yeah, that's making music and it's about me.

He's doing voodoo about it. This is. Please let me hear the record. I would be honored to hear that record. Like, but yeah, no. There's one girl I know that that casually makes music every now and then. There might be some subs. Oh, now we're going to try and make it.

That I've dated? Yeah. The prompt. I'm obviously not going to say it. But yeah, she does other things, but also makes music from time to time. That he's dated. Yeah. I don't know who we're always talking about.

I don't know if that's a bad thing. You're not a fan then. She didn't have that much. I'm a fan. I can't. Off the top, I'm trying to remember who we're always talking about. And I just, I can't. No.

I don't know what you're talking about. Is there songs about you? Yeah. So this song, which I'm not going to... No, not your music. Someone else's. Oh, wait, what do you mean? Has someone wrote a song about you?

No, you don't strike me as someone that dead dates any artist. Well, Overgrown is mostly about a rapper. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't... There's a definite songs about you out there that an artist has written or... Yeah, there's someone that I think maybe has written some songs about me.

Like, I've heard his music and it seemed relatable to our experiences. But I never asked. And I don't know. But based on the lyrics, I was like, this could be about me. Have you ever been in the studio? Like, have you ever been in the session with somebody? You know. Well, it was some real ass shit, though.

It was too specific. Yeah. Some of it, I'm like, I'm glad you learn. you know, I'm glad you've realized this by yourself. What did you say, sorry? Have you ever been in a session with an artist and, like, y'all are writing? And you kind of felt like, is he flirting with me? Is he talking to me in this record?

Like, have you never got that vibe like where, like, y'all are writing? He goes into lay his verse and you're like, like, who's? You've never felt that. Why is he spelling out J-O-Y-C-E? No, not that, not that, like, straightforward. But, like, you've never felt something like, Hmm. Okay. Who is that about? Like, I think that's almost normal, right? You have to, because you need chemistry. Even if it's just like for the song, not even like, you know, we're going to date, but just like in this moment, we need to create this energy to like create the best record.

You've never like felt that. I don't think so. Like. Never. No, I don't. So when Isaiah went in there. playing butterflies like you wasn't feeling like Isaiah's not thinking about me how you know that? I'm sorry and I maybe

I don't think he's no and then I'm trying to think of the other features I've had or who I recently worked with no I don't women always act so oblivious like no I just he would never be talking about me no let's so for example we have

what I'm trying to think Isaiah falls well no He also, I say it's very professional. When we did the emotional, I mean, just reckon with his, uh, he was completely platonic with me. Yeah. I can, I can. You didn't.

I didn't feel when we worked together the first time, you know, like I didn't feel nothing inappropriate. Super professional. I felt really comfortable. I guess Isaiah, shoot, I don't know when you were. Baby you're perfect. Don't let no one tell you otherwise. I'm just kidding.

Yeah, like I can see Isaiah looking, you know what I'm saying? looking at you through the booth like getting those balls on. You don't know Isaiah's situation. Don't put this on. That's another thing. I'm saying you don't know if he's in a relationship. I missed what I said at the top. Just for the song.

For the record. The energy of the record. Like I'm not talking about it. You know. There's definitely records in duets. I've heard before. I'm like, Dave was probably fucking.

Yeah. But that you're supposed to create that energy and that feeling. It's like acting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that. I mean, I don't know.

I just got a verse in. Um, and. yeah maybe he was being creative and playing the role for me yeah why not I mean but artists like even he has a girlfriend does he no and I respect that but you're saying still building it but you still have like you said acting

you still have to have this this energy in this song let these lyrics happen for sure you know what I mean but like Nikki was always good at that even when she with the Kanye shit me you and am shamanage like with the big Sean ass shit like big Sean how big as your dick like clearly she's not trying to sleep with these people, but it makes the record better. I feel you, yeah.

Like, if you had that type of chemistry. That song she got with Drake when she was like, I never fuck Wayne, I never fuck Drake, but if I did, I let them both eat my ass like a cupcake. And then Drake came in like, like, first great four bars to start a record. That record's incredible. But then, but they get it to Drake's verse, though. How does he start?

I can't remember. He was like, she was sitting down, but I was staying at them tities, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was letting it be known, like, you'll listen, like, we ain't do nothing. But Nikki, whenever you're ready, Yeah, like when and if you're ever ready. I like that. But he said that on thank me later.

I forgot what record it is when he said if I want to marry Nicky Bonaj or something. He's always flirted with her in records, which has always been crazy to me just because like she was dating Safari at that time and not anything to Nikki or Drake. Safari I would feel uncomfortable like in those situations because you have to know it is acting per se. Like it's the music version of acting as if your girl was taking a lead role and has to kiss her. Coach for. Now Safari got to sit there and watch her kiss and eyes in a video. Yeah. I'm not sure if I'm cool.

You're missing it, though, Rory. She said she never fucked these guys. But if she did. But she'd let them eat her ass like a cupcake. She said that. Drake started his verse with, I never fuck Nikki because she got a man.

But when that's over, I'm the first in line. I'm just saying. I'm sure SB was in that studio. Yeah, but Nikki said what she said. And Drake was like, oh, I bet. Like that's the energy. Like, so that's what I'm saying. Sometimes you have to create that flirtatious vibe energy.

Well, I guess that we'll do it for the next. Now I'm going to keep that in mind for the next. No, just as your muse. Yeah. That's all. Yeah. So who would be the rapper that would be the best to do this style with you? Do you date rappers?

Well, I, so overgrown is about a rapper. Okay. Since overgrown, no? I do not. I don't. I mean, no one recommends. I feel like the reputation is to. No one recommends. Like, I just, come on. If you go to Yelp, like, the reviews on Rappers. It's terrible. As far as romantic partners, it's not very high. Terrible. Rarely doesn't work out. The Yelp on average. Also, what's a rap? Never say never.

Like, what is considered dating a rapper? You could date someone that raps, but are you dating a rapper? An artist musician, too. I know many people. What is it a hobby? Or is like, are they a rapper? They better, I mean, I would like for them to be one. Right. Yeah. Sorry. No shade.

How many streams qualify? Like, what's, okay. What qualifies? No, no, no. I'm just, yeah. No, this thought just entered my mind because I have, I don't know how many streams. And they have date rappers and sometimes I have to ask like, what do you mean? What do you mean?

Like, okay. It's like DJ. Like, yeah. Everyone. Like, does he spend at the dime or do you Coachella? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where's the barometer? Like, what do we do with?

And there's nothing wrong with people that don't stream well. The dime is great. I love the dime. Yeah. I'm just saying when you say something is your career. Like, what is the number that defines that this is it? Right. Like you date someone that does rap.

Yeah. Let's just call it that. Right. Not dating a rapper. You're not dating a rapper. Right. A rapper and somebody that wraps two different things. And I'm, again, not judging because this is the same in my world, too.

I know girls that date podcasts. No, he just podcasts. Right. it can sound embarrassing. Yeah, yeah. Like, I think on any level, that's embarrassing.

Like, when Kea and I, when Ki and I were together, and I'd always feel bad for her when they'd ask, oh, what's your man do? And she'd be like,

we podcast. And then she'd have to, like, add sauce it. Like, no, no, but like, yeah, he like actually,

like, like, I know when you hear that, you're thinking, like, like, like, like, she had to show,

she had the show, like, no, no, like, He didn't just buy a mic at garage band or Sam Ash. Like, no, no, he really does this. Like, people actually listen to him. Like, there's shows and, like, he does numb me.

There's a tour. I used to feel so bad for her trying to explain. Oh, my God. That is so hilarious. I never thought about it like that. But it's the same thing with artists. I was just talking to someone about this. About dating on a podcast.

Well, no, just like, it was a D. It had to do with DJ. Like, dating a DJ and. It's a wide spectrum. Yeah, I don't want to offend anything. Joyce is crazy. I'm sorry. I'm going to get Joyce in trouble before this interview is.

You know, because like everybody is DJing now. Yeah. I get it. So the question was like, well, what, you know. Yeah. But kind of. Where? Yes.

Where does he do. Yes. That's the safe way to ask. Oh, where does he DJ? Like, where can I hear him? And it's kind of crazy because everyone. Where can I hear him? Sound Club?

And what's fucked up is, and this is terrible, because we'll be Hasman podcasters eventually. Don't think I'm judging anyone. When I go to L.A., any event I go to, only Night Train is DJing. So I don't understand where the rest of y'all are getting gigs. If everyone's DJing and only Night Train is getting the gig. I saw Night Train DJ, three different spots.

Exactly. One spot I didn't go in. I just heard he was DJ. I was like, yo. It makes me happy because he's a great DJ. Anytime I see Night Train, I'm like, oh, great, the event's going to be good. The music's going to be good.

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Anyways With that said Poor thing Your dad is super supportive I love when you put him on your IG story Oh yes What did make me laugh

Was I think Was it It was Break Me In, right? The video set, he came to the set. Yeah, he came to the set. He's very invested in your music. He provided his motorcycle. Yes. He loves your music. He loves the lyrics. But you had to explain the lyrics to your father on Break Me In.

He doesn't love every single song. Yeah, Break Me In is a father out of him and like... I mean, the West Side Gun Interlude was just like, girl, what are you on? Yeah. He looks like he likes Grisota, though. Yeah, but not for his daughter. Not those specific. Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, with Break Me In, I think I had his friends, his coworkers and his friends. He heard the song. He, because my parents, again, they're so sweet and they help promote my music. They post them on their Facebook page. My mom does. And then they're just texting YouTube videos and. Yeah, to their group chat. Yes.

Yeah. And so the Breakmeant, they were just like. what is this break me in's song about you know and my dad was like I don't know he was just like I don't know you gotta ask her but I don't even know these people but you gotta ask her

to somebody Joyce will never speak to me but yeah he called me and he was like what should I tell people about break me in some sit a pair shoes sometimes you gotta break in some I was like leave it to that you know it's art yeah it's art their interpretation

whatever they want broken in yeah they can you know Just, yeah. I remember I just kind of like told him, let them leave it to their interpretation. Yeah, I'm sure when you get that. His group chat got to the chorus when you said, I hate it when you make me wait. When I touch myself, it's not the same. I need you to break me in.

Don't make me wait. Nobody else got me. I'm sure. New pair of shoes. Yeah, I'm sure they were like, oh. Everybody else. So much he's talking about the shoes, the hills. For sure.

You want to keep going? Come unravel me, my baby. I'm yours for the taking. Tension's almost suffocating. It's hot. Take your hands, put them right there. Yeah. Put your hands around my neck.

My neck. Don't let me catch my breath. My breath. Heart beating out my chest. Hips. Hips locked. What's next? Oh, you're trying to trap them.

Yeah. The hips locked? Yeah, yeah. You know? I don't mind that. I mean, well, look. You don't mind it. I have a child.

You've been locked. You've had hips lock. It worked on me. Yeah, absolutely. It worked. My heart was beating out of my chest. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So with this two-pack, does this mean we are getting a full project? Yes. You're getting an album. Okay. What's a full? How many songs are a full track for Rory? 10 plus.

10 plus. Woo! Yes. So that sounds like 11? No. 12? No. 10.

But I don't think things should go past 14. I'm just not going to say. 10 to 14 is a sweet spot Yeah I don't think past 15 Plus is a lot 15 is a lot I think 14 to me is the cutoff Yeah

And if you get past there Just do the deluxe thing Exactly Three or four records later Yeah we're getting a full You're getting a soft Second album And I felt like

I did a little A test with my friends And also like people not in the industry. And yeah, I sent them, Break Me In, Crack the Code, and two other songs. And I was just wanting their opinion on what should I come back in the scene with? And everyone, majority people said, break me in. And then everyone's, like, favorite has been Cracked the Code.

So that was kind of the reasoning for this. And I feel like it makes sense. Yeah. Brickney in seemed to catch a lot of people's attention and then crack the code. I feel like people are really loving just that like feel good, soulful. It's definitely a different vibe for break me in. Yeah. No, it's a good balance.

How many more records do you think you want to put out before the full project? I would say maybe one or two. Okay. All right, good. So that means we are getting a full project. Yeah. Yeah, like five or six. Here's the whole album.

People are releasing five or six before they release the album. People put out singles then. They're trying to find what's like working. They try to get one out of five and go from there. That's something that I was talking to someone about. And I didn't even realize that's a thing where people are, they're putting out songs just, yeah, to see what's hitting and what works and what people want to hear, and then that's how they figure out what to release.

Yeah. I'm not mad at that process, though. Like, sometimes it's like you need to kind of feel what's going on, what they're gravitating towards, and then it's like, okay, we'll go with this. This seems to get the most traction and people are, you know, filling this one. But I'm also on the side. I tell real time, I like when artists just, you know, put the music out. Just drop the album.

The days of, like, the traditional rollout. You need a single. You need this. You need, I get it, but I don't know if we're there anymore. I feel you. Because if people are, people like the music, they're going to like them. I don't care what. Sometimes I don't even know what the single was.

Yeah. Two of my favorite albums I'm listening to right now, K1. Yeah. I don't know what her lead single was. Yeah. And then this other girl, Remy, left on red, her project. I don't know what her lead single was. You just know the album, the projects are fired.

I'm listening to these. it's all day. Like, so, you know what I mean? I get how when you're on a label and in that system, there is a way to do that you have to do things. But I kind of don't think that that even really matters. Yeah, I mean, it's rare and I mean in a good way that the traditional single doesn't exist the way, like rarely do you have a folded by Kailani these days.

Right. Yeah. That's a traditional single. Let's go work that for six months. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which she did, right? It's exactly what she did. That made sense because that was a very much a traditional single.

single that needed to be worked. Yeah. Not every record needs, depending on what you think is good or bad, is insignificant to that. What's a single that needs to be worked and what's something that just needs to be put out and post you can do your promo with a full project. Right. So I'm with you. Just certain records just need to go out.

And then let people decide what the single is and then work that after the full project. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I've been gone for so long. That you needed to test. Or not even test. I feel like I got to reintroduce myself. Yep. I got to work the algorithm and, and yeah, just.

Also, I think established like lyrically and sonically what I'm going for this time around. You know what I mean? I felt like I had to lead into that a little bit. Yeah. But I'm kind of similar. I've never really. I mean, I did it a little bit for this album just because I was taking so long

and people were just like, where the fuck are you? So I feel like doing the snippets was just letting them know I have some shit in the vault. Like I'm not, you know, fucking with y'all. But I personally, I love to just put it out

and it to be a surprise and people to have fresh, you know, ears with the music as opposed to snippeting so many things. But like you said, who knows what works anymore? As long as the project. As long as it's good.

As long as the music's good. The fans don't even know what works. Like, no one knows what works anymore. But they have a lot. It's interesting, I feel like now more than ever, fans and just people online, they have so much to say about what you should be doing. But they also don't even know what they like.

That's what makes it so insane. Like I was just like some people will be like I know one person was like you Joyce needs to market her music better or like if I were to do this just was somebody that works in marketing. Buzz words like was this somebody that works in marketing and it has marketed things before because then that's different. Yeah. But if it's somebody who's just a casual fan like she needs to market. It's like. Yeah, a lot. I feel like a lot of fans are now, you know, they they have opinions.

Well, everybody has. And that's fine. But I'm just, I'm like, wow, people are saying if I was this person's PR or if I were this, this is what I would do. I'm like, wow. Was there any pressure like coming off of the Butterflies record and an attraction that that has? Was there any pressure where you felt like, okay, now is the time where I probably need to put something out and jump behind this, this energy? I mean, that's the smartest move for sure. When was that?

Because I didn't play it. Like we'd break me in out January. That was like 20, 20. That was five. It was five. Yeah. Yeah. It was definitely still 20, 25.

Yeah. It's a smart move to do that. But I didn't release until January of this year. But I mean, that like folded. Like, it worked on TikTok. Yeah, it worked well. That record needed to be worked. Yeah.

Where if you were immediately focusing right on. solo stuff, it could take away from working that record because that, that did go. Yeah. If it was kind of one of those just quick features or whatever. Yeah. But yeah, that, that definitely needed the year to live. Yeah. And thankfully, I mean, depending on what the person on Twitter that thinks your marketing should be.

I'm speaking from my perspective, not, you know, from law, which is. No, she's sweet though. We were talking back and forth. Oh, okay. Yeah, you had a little dialogue. Okay. All right. I respect.

Yeah, we usually get comments like, you should have Jay Cole in the pod. Like, damn, I never thought of that. Yeah. Damn. What a good idea? Boy, yo, what we've been doing? What are we thinking? What are we even doing up here?

Yeah. Do you have a title for it yet? I do. Do you want to reveal it here on Netflix? Is it break me in? You don't have to. You can wait. I think we should, I think we can wait.

Check with your marketing manager. Do you know. Girl, do it now. It's on Netflix. What the hell? Let's check in with her first. But I would just say it's, it's like, yeah, my first album was overgrown. This title is, again, like, it's, the album is a lot about me.

So the title is inspired by that narrative, if that makes sense. Yeah. Why do lesbians make sense? I think really like music. What about put it in rice? Wait, where are we... Answer his first, but then answer mine. Answer his first, but then you have to answer Molly.

Okay, what did you say? Something about rice? Oh, my rice. I was giving a second album title. Oh, and... Put them in rice. Put them in rice. Because you know, like, you put your phone in rice when it doesn't work?

When it's dry... Put it in rice. And put it in rice. I should be the marketing manager. Put them in rice. Rice. Rice cakes. People said to call them.

my listeners rice cakes. Wait. Okay. I think there's some type of racial undertone in that I would not go well in 2026. Yeah. I don't know. Some people are still rooting for that. Well, it's because of my last name too.

No, I understand that. No, we get it, Joyce. I just don't know if the people will take to that. So. Well, I am. What did you ask before I interrupted it with the worst out of title? I was asking her. And rice cakes, you know, I got some.

Okay. What's the Drake line? Just add malls. No, no, no, no. You were looking. I had a question for Joyce. So I'm going to go to that question. What is it with the women, lesbian women and the, no.

What's up with lesbian? I wish I had an answer. Putting in rice doesn't look so bad anymore, doesn't it? No, because look, I'm thinking about it, right? Kalani. Amazing album, amazing single. We're just going to name lesbian. No, just saying she's, you know, she's a lesbian and she's making, you know, she's doing her thing right now, R&B.

Jazi. Rosie O'Donnell. Great album. I love Jaws. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gossie is the best. K1 from the UK, great project right now. Remy, lesbian, great project.

Like, what? Sasha Keebel. Like, this seems to be a thing. Like, is it because women can speak to women in a way that men can? Is it the energy? Like what? There is a thing. I'm not crazy right now.

Every time I look up at the R&B that I'm listening to it and I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, okay, there's a beautiful girl, but she's a lesbian. What is the, what is, what is that? What is the thing with that right now? I wish I could tell you. Unfortunately, I'm not lesbian. No, but it's a thing, though. It's like, it's, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is.

I go to the other side. There has to be, there has to be something there. where it's just women who like women are attracted to women and making music about women where it's just incredible music. Like, there has to be something there because I'm looking around, every time I look up at an R&B artist that I like

and my just album's crazy. No, you... She likes women. She dates women. Really? I love women, so, I mean, I get it, but it's just like, what is happening in the R&B right now? I don't know. I have no idea.

And I've been around these women and I, they could, they could get me too. It's something. It's just, see, look, they almost got Joyce.

So I'm right. Might as well. I'm not getting anything else. Is something happening? I'm just saying, let's pay attention to the women in R&B right now. I don't bring Jawsie around my girls. Jawsy is.

There's something happening with R&B women. Allegedly. Allegedly. I love it. It's exciting. And I mean, well, yeah, well, to your point, women understand women better. They do. I feel like men, R&B went from just begging to get you back to then more of like the colder. Doggy, like, yo, fuck you. Oh, I don't care. There's more depth, I think, with some of the lesbian women in there, hey, I'm trying to get you back. And I'm still adult. Jazi is great. And taking that to the next level of, hey, I fucked up. But here's something. some women's psychology mixed involved that we could just never physically come up with.

And there's this, it's just like this confidence, this swag that some of these, yeah, women have too, where it's mesmerizing. Like, I don't. I went to Jazi's release party in New York and I was like, oh, Jaze bring them out. I'm definitely like, outside of that being my friend and wanted support, I'm like, she'd bring them out. It was just, it was pointless. They was in there. Not interested in me. Yeah.

They was all there for Jopsy. Every time K1 posts something on Instagram and it's like a snippet of one of our songs, you go to the comments and it's women in the comments like, I'm not gay, but I can be. I know, I know someone very close to me who would love K1 to just go on. This is what I'm saying. So it's like, and K1 love you. The album is incredible.

Hi, K1. All pride aside. I think that, I think the title is incredible. Like, you'd put your pride aside. I don't know what you mean by that, but. It's your interpretation. It's art. Yeah, I don't know.

Whatever you take from it. I'm gonna stay away from that. But like, I'm looking in the comments and I'm just like, okay, there's something going on with R&B women right now. That's just like we have, what are we going to, when are we going to wait to have the conversation? Kaylani, I feel like, is the number one straight girl. I'd go to the other side.

anytime I talk to a straight girl, they always say Kaylani would be like the straightest of straight not like fake by girls like I'm drunk, let me kiss you like I'm saying straight Kaylani is the one that they always pick. Oh yeah, Victoria Monet is not lesbian but

Victoria Monet is gay? She's bye I believe. She's talked about it. Okay. Yeah, she's talked about it. Yeah. Post-divorce. There was rumors. Okay. But we'll leave that over there. Yeah. That's public knowledge. She openly identifies

Yeah Like her music has been It's celebrated Yeah Not for sure And Victoria is also Incredible Incredible

Incredible Like this So I'm not Listen I'm not crazy I'm just listening to music And every time I look up I'm like Okay

There's something going on There's something happening And I'll just We'll come back to this conversation A year from now I'll just see what I mean Well you got to get K1 on here I would love to sit down and talk

Yeah I love Sasha Keywood. We love to sit down and talk and kick it with both of those women. I love their albums, love their projects. K-1's album is really, really dope. Like, she's incredible. She's nuts. Yeah, love her music.

Are we getting D. Mile and Kate Trinada on the second project? You will find out when you listen to it. Right? I think that's... We got to check in with a marketer, a president of marketing. What market would be like, nah, don't have D. Mile on this one? You did that all made. We already know what that sounds like.

What's the last thing he even did? Yeah. Kind of went there already. Like we should go to something else this time around. Kay Trinada, is he even a DJ? Right. Yeah. The accident of Kate Trinada's a DJ is crazy.

I mean, I don't know. Well, Joyce, thank you so much for stopping by. When the project comes out, please stop by again. We are very excited to hear it. Yes, when you move to New York, you can come by whenever you want. Or Puerto Rico. That too. Would love to love to have you.

you in Puerto Rico with us. That would be like, you know, we start our own community down here. We bring more people to the island. With like a bunch of lesbian songwriter. Like, when is that camp? This is, really? This is for the third album. When is the lesbian songwriting camp? There we go. I just want to go. Put it in rice camp. Put it in right. Songs for mall. Songs for mall. Songs about malls. What is it? What was it? Songs for mall? Songs about. Songs about songs about mom. I don't know if there are any songs out there. But if there are, please send them to me so I can hear I would love to hear how I inspired any of these artists.

Pete, is that AI program that writes songs for you? Yeah. Suno. Oh, my God. We got to write one for mall. Please don't do that. But Joyce, do let us know if you are, if and when you are back in the city. Please, we would love to see you again.

Yes. And we're looking forward to the album whenever you choose to draw. Hopefully. This year. Yes. For sure? For sure. All right, cool.

So we'll be waiting to hear that. I'm that nigger. He's just ginger. That's the beautiful talented Joyce Rice. Thank you. What's up, fam, it's sports journalist Ari Chambers. Hey, what's up, y'all? It's your girl, Sam J.

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