New Rory & MAL - Episode 536 | No Brakes + DIXSON

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

Happy Monday! Rory and Baby D were OUTSIDE this weekend, hitting the Kehlani show in Brooklyn, then the Austin Millz show in Manhattan, while Mal was outside on the bike. Pharrell calls T-Pain to tell him that he needs to save R&B, and the guys debate who Pharrell should collaborate with next to save hip hop. The Game drops “The Documentary III”, with features from Drake, Kanye, and more, while also addressing Blacc Sam, Kendrick, and all of TDE. Dr. Dre and Rick Rubin endorse AI usage in music, and DJ Quik gives some pushback. The owner of the 49ers gets caught in an Ohio trailer park attempting to meet a prostitute, and we take a look at lessons learned in sex ed. Taking a break from touring with Kehlani, DIXSON drops by to kick it with us, to discuss writing “Folded”, his experiences working with Beyonce, and songwriters turned artists. Catch DIXSON on tour with Kehlani in a city near you! Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-forever Go to https://baskandlatherco.com.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I didn't make that connection at all. That is so hilarious. Because then it just became like a stereotype. I was a little like, yeah. No, I totally get it. I totally get it now. I see it. No, I'm glad you do it.

No, I see it. The fact that you're acknowledging it is the first step. Now we can heal. Yeah. Now we can move forward. Yeah. I see it now. My bad.

Art is art. I didn't see it in the 80s. My bad. I see it now. And we're back. We are back. How are you feeling? I feel good, man.

Great. Top of the week. Ready to get to it. You know what I'm saying? I set my week off to a bad start at 9 a.m. I love when a week starts off bad because that means it has to finish great, right? I hope so. Yeah.

I've been doing good on the trip. track. My doctor said I could like run and shit and I've been good, haven't been dizzy, but I've been running outside on the track. Yeah. Drop Amar off at school this morning, walk in. She says, everyone, this is my superhero. So I'm already riding high. Oh, man. Like when she said that, it was like, chest puffed out a little bit more. Like, come on. So I'm, I'm leaving like, let me get a little quick workout in before we record today. Like, superheroes got to work out. So, man, got to stay sharp. Yeah. Got to do the drift. Got to fight crime. Yeah. Yo, halfway through. like 0.5 miles

my entire right calf just gives out on the treadmill like I'm not I thought it was a cramp I think I may have pulled my right calf like I was limping on the train here that's embarrassing 0.5

0.5 come on man point five I had I was riding high on the superhero shit so I'm like you know I'm hitting it up to like 7.7 7.8 you know I'm moving oh okay yeah you're in the full sprint yeah and I mean I've you know I've ran track

so I've had bad like moments where I feel like it's cramping up. That's what I thought it was. No, I think I probably pulled my calf muscle. Yeah, come on, you can't do that. Not after having a- I was a superhero. Yeah, but come on.

Superheroes have a stroke. Like, it's time to sit down. Oh, man. You're Charles Xavier now. Stroke man. Stroke man. You know, get your wheelchair. Stroke man.

That could go on a bunch of different ways. Yeah. No, not that kind. You and Handyman. You and Handyman fight crime in New York. Yeah. Classic movie Handyman. Never heard of it.

You've never seen Handyman? No. Oh, my God. I'm not 52. Neither am I. You have to be 52 to know what Handyman is. You've never seen Handyman? I might be lying.

I think I have seen it. That's not, I don't know what this is. This is a Tooby movie. What was the movie with Damon? With Damon Wayne. It was Handyman, right? That's what I thought it was called. Was it not called that?

Yeah, I think it was H-A-N-D-I, like handicap? You put you like, I forget Ryan is 19 and a half. I don't think that's it. That's him. But what was the name of the movie? It wasn't handyman? I thought it was. They may,

that may have been one of the Mandela effect things that like maybe it never existed. Well, it wasn't a movie. It was, I think it was a character. No, no, no, no, we're not doing this. They said it was an in-leven color character. Right. But he has a movie. No, but I think it had a spin-off.

He has a movie. We're not doing this. We don't, don't get me. Don't Mandela affect me. He had a movie. just got rid of that completely because of where it could have went. No, what was the name of this movie? We're not doing this.

They say it's not a movie. It was a fucking, it was literally just an in-living color character. We're not doing this, man. We are not doing this. Blank man, blank man. Blank man. I don't remember black man. No, that was, it was blank man.

It was supposed to be like a playoff handyman, but it was blank man. A little bit more progressive. Yeah, you know, you know, it was around that time started to get sensitive. they didn't it had to switch it up a little bit but Blank Man is Handyman Like we remember Handyman from in Liver Color But you know

Blank Man is Handyman for sure Well anyways How was everyone's weekend? Great man What did you do, well since it was so great Man I was Episode what are we on? Roll the bike again

You did I see your thigh Your thighs look good Grippy my thighs look good and grippy no I mean like like yeah like you could grip the bicycle seat like your thighs look good my thighs look like I can grip a bicycle seat what I'm saying is you look like you look like you're working out you can't even give a nigga a compliment these days well thank you de Maris you're welcome I appreciate that thank you so much I just could tell you

you've been working out you look good as well thank you I've been riding too you've been right I ain't I ain't gonna lie baby did you popped up in my album for the first time you popped up in my algo and you ain't coming ain't like no nothing let me tell you why I didn't comment because I didn't know, I thought you was somebody else. I was like, who there's something following? I seen all the thighs out. I was like, yo, who is this? Then I've seen Baby D.

I'm like, come on, baby D. You can't fake me out. You can't pump fake me like that. You're saying she's catfish? I thought she was some new work that I forgot I followed or something. I knew that was Baby D. So no money bags? I thought money bags.

I thought money bags was for everything. Poor. Not one money bag. Pete beat me to it. Wait, Peach put money bags under it. And I ain't want to outbid Peach. Outbid is crazy. You know what I didn't want to do that.

Let my man rock. Mind you, Rory never. Rory never comments on my photos. Rory never comments on my photos either. What do I comment? Like, Maltz took the only thing that I would do, which would be an emoji. Hey, I see you. That if I saw Rory comment, hey, I see you on a picture, we would have to have a conversation.

Don't put that on the picture. That's why one time I got accused by this girl, like, I seen you under my home girl's pictures. Like, she was mad. And I was like, this is one of those that I know I can win this argument because I've never commented on anybody's shit in my life. It's not worth it. It's not worth the argument. Just let it have it.

But I don't comment. Because I wouldn't know what to say, so I know it couldn't have been me. You know how many times I've had that conversation? But you comment. I do. Yeah, but it's the same under any picture. Right. I comment under dogs that are eating their first piece of chocolate before they get put down.

Like, there's money bags there too. Final meal? Yeah. Like. Dog death row. Yeah. I mean, I just, you know, I like animals. So they pop up my algorithm sometimes.

How do you know? I have the password to the numerary mall. I know that wasn't me. Yeah, because I know it's true. I was on the wrong account. I know it's true. I was on the wrong account. Yeah, baby, Dee, showing them hocks.

I see you. You've been having the thighs out the last couple weeks of so. What's up with you? You got to show your assets. No, you don't. No, you don't. I don't have my ass on the internet. I can have my ass out.

I can have cleavage out. It just be thigh. Nah, you got your ass out. It's just no ass. You can't find no ass on my page. It's just thigh. Nah, one of them picked us in the slides. Because it was a carousel, right?

Mm-hmm. One of the pictures you had to. So you kept sliding and didn't comment. Like, it was like 10 photos. But it was the leg was up on one of them. It was a little cheek out. And I was like, hold on. I'm going to have to call baby dude.

We got to have a me in. Right there. Right there. It's a little sneak preview. It's a little no face, no case. So that's cool. But it's a little. When it's on our page, though.

Like with her full name. Yeah. Literally my full name. Well, Rory had me outside. Yeah. And this photo. Like, don't I get photo credit. That's why I didn't take the, Carlton.

That's what I should have replied. Harold took those. You didn't take those. All the ones you took came out. But I died. Price, why I held the light or something. No.

All the ones you took out came out shaky. Carl took those with our cameras. Yeah. Oh, that's why I look so good. Those are like, I can. I know my work when I see.

That's my fucking camera right there. Hey, Carl, me my fucking camera, though. Enough of this content creating with my shit, Carl took them on my phone. Y'all are assholes. But me and Roy,

we were outside last, this weekend. Say what? Me and Roy, we were outside this weekend. Which I was doing. What to what? You always.

outside. Always. Y'all too. Y'all ripping and running. Y'all be ripping and running. Y'all be ripping ripping and running. You and Rory ever since he had that stroke. He got a new kick on life. Like, you just feel you're going to throw it an overdrive. Like, you're not going to take life for a man. Fucking, fucking Andy Dufran out here. Rory had a stroke. He started taking life serious. Niggins say, yo, love, by going on Kailani's show. Who knows how many more of these will have? Yeah. How many more moods will I get this. Maul, that's not funny. It is.

We got to make fun. Well, this is my first time out with him post stroke. Okay. Post stroke. All right. Yeah, that's true. Postrope.

Yeah. So we went to the Kailani concert, which was absolutely amazing. It was breathtaking. You're an asshole. How does she smell? I didn't, I didn't smell her from... Didn't smell Kail?

I didn't smell either. No, I didn't smell Kail. I'm going to smell Kailani. I want to hug her and smell her. I know she smells great. Yeah. I've hugged her before. She does smell good.

But, no, at the show, she was like, like on stage performing. So it was an amazing show. I saw a lot of Janet influence, which I'm always happy when the girls take those notes and use them. She was great.

She sounded great. The set was great. It was creative. It gave like, doesn't really matter music video from the 2000s. I loved it. I love every moment of it. And our friend Dixon did well as well as the opener.

He also did a couple of songs with Kaylani as well in the middle of her show. Did he do the smash that he wrote? Fold it? Yeah. No, he didn't. He didn't perform. He did. perform on her set. He performs

still and he perform Unlearned with the other openers. Shout out to the artist and Durham Bernard. Is he singing on her set as well? Is he doing back room for? Well, for Still. He's on the record. So he sang on that one. So for Still and then for Unlearn, it's like they all sing it together. Which shout out to

Kaylani. I love that we were talking during the show. I miss like when artists used to let all their backup dancers like have their moment. You know, I like a lot of artists back in the day would introduce the band and the man, like guitar player would get his solo, drums, etc.

Artists used to do that with their dancers. And Kaylani, like, has a whole moment where her dancers just get their solo moment and can cook. And, like, I miss that type of shit. So I got to catch Kaylani, man. She's one of the artists that I would like to see. Like her, Doja, the thing is, I got like a little list of artists that I want to see live.

Yeah. I wouldn't want to see Kalani this weekend, but, huh? Pete said Demaris invited you. I had a free ticket for him and everything. I couldn't go, though. Oh, okay. Mungoose wouldn't make it all the way to Brooklyn.

Who? The bike. It was a bike joke. Oh, okay. Yeah, but I do want to see that. You're on a mongoose. It's kind of funny, though. I do want to, I had a mongoose when I was with.

Who didn't? Yeah. I want to see Kailani. Front and back, pause. Yeah. Same. I want to see Kalani. Definitely going to see Doja Cat.

Zara Larson. I want to see her show. I'm just saying, like, I like, you know, people that know how to perform. You know, right, right here. I wonder what all those people have in common. What did they have in common? They're great artists. That's all I was thinking.

Oh, okay. That's all I thought. Sure. Generational talent is what I thought. Yeah, I mean, I've seen pretty much anybody else that's worth seeing live. Seen Tiana Taylor. I haven't seen it. So Janet a couple times.

Yeah, I don't know. A couple times through that. I mean, me too. I've seen her like three times, too, but still. Yeah. I saw Janet, like, early. I was at the Rhythm Nation, so you ain't see Rhylamation. No, I wasn't born. I know. I'm saying? You don't know, Janet.

You don't know Dameda Joe like I know Dmito Joe. Yo. So then Rory, after the concert, Roy takes me to Tau. He had me at Tau being at that. Yo. That's okay. This stroke got you going crazy, fan. You're doing all the activities.

You're going from Kailani to Tau? And then we would add context. No. No. We went from Tau to. to the 101st floor at the edge and was fist pumping at the Austin Mills show.

Okay. Austin was headlining the edge. Yo, I'm not going to lie, you mixie. Mm-hmm. This is your mixie of summer. Outside of Palooza. No, not even remotely close. No, outside of Paloza, this is your mixing.

I'm going to lie, Roy. All might have a point. It's the mix. I kind of feel like I haven't done anything the summer. And I know you guys brought this up last time. Like, before stroke is deleted. I.

So you're thinking like everything after the stroke is all you did is someone. Like, no, bro. you've been outside. Not really. He got BS and AS. Yeah. This is definitely not been even remotely close.

So you went to Kate. What was the show at? Barclays. So you went from Barclays to the edge? To Tao. In a black truck. Barclays or Texas. That's Brooklyn to Manhattan.

Black truck, though. Black truck. By myself. No one else in the black shirt. Vib. You know, that's my shit right there. I love that. To the 101st floor at the edge.

Yeah. I had my AirPods. I said, nah, let me hear from the speakers. By myself. Let me connect to the Bluetooth. Connecting to the Bluetooth by yourself. Yeah. No, you need that.

To the 101st floor. Yeah, window down. Oh, now, y'all was outside for real. Okay, y'all had a good weekend. So Austin and family and everyone, they had picked how his label whatever before so we could all like convene in one place because they were staying at the hotel above. So it made sense to just go downstairs. Right, naturally. So, yeah, we just did that.

And then, you know, took cars up there. And I stayed for a little bit. Yeah. Made sure Austin's mom was good and then I went home. Right, naturally. Yeah, he left me. I was there by myself. but I didn't give a fuck.

You knew like 75 people there. I was having a ball. Yeah. I was on stage with Austin, like, fist pumping. You know how like when the white girls get into their bag? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that was fully, fully me. See, now you see what I'm having a ball.

Austin was amazing. I want to go see Zara. See? I text Rory. I was like, yo, I'm going on tour with Austin. I never felt so alive. It was so great. I felt so good.

I felt so good. It was great. I had a great time. Shout out to Austin. If you get a chance to go see Austin live, you need to do that because it was incredible. It was incredible. It is kind of funny how the white girls,

the young white girls now flock. Like, it's like second nature to them when he hits play that they all go up to the stage to do the same move. Was it boiler room that started that? Where they just have all the girls behind you during the DJ set? I don't know.

He wasted no time. Probably. That's funny to watch, though. That's the new thing. So y'all was outside. That's the new VIP is like behind the DJ. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. And then like we all get matching glasses. so we're all like vibing. Yeah. Oh, I want to go see Black Coffee too. I want to catch one of his says. Okay. Didn't we catch her?

I don't think you were with us. I've never seen Black Coffee. You didn't come to Sohouse with us in London? No. Yeah. You missed out. Yeah. It's him and Eric about it.

Yeah, I'll skip that night. How other plans? No, I think we had said we wasn't going and then I think last minute, because we were staying right there. Mm-hmm. I think last minute Rory just went. But by that time I was in the room, like, I'm not going back outside. Once I'm in the room, I ain't going back outside. Very rare.

When I'm out, like, out of town, I'll go back to my hotel that you're going to call me, like, yo, come back out. Nah, you know, it was jet lag, couldn't sleep. No, but once I'm in the room, that's it. Like, mentally, I'm checked. I'm subbed out the game already. It's like when we're already up to 15 with two minutes left, why I'm going to back in the game?

If I call you and say, Zahar, Larson, at the restaurant, come right now, you're asking you get up shower and make it there? It depends. now it does depend because there was one time I did call Maul last minute and I was out in there with one of his biggest crushes not just her a couple people and they came back to this office afterwards and mall still didn't show up

see I don't just be so yeah he he he's not as thirsty as you make a scene like I just be going I don't just be going sometimes you got to let them you know what I'm saying like you got throw them off like oh no I'll catch you on the next one they like they do like oh my god he's like so unavailable like he's so yeah I ain't just a I ain't just jumping up when you call me.

He's so unavailable. When you come back to New York, let me know when you're on your way back to New York. Let me do something. We'll do lunch, daytime, early, sunlight. I need to see the skin. That's true. Yeah. Don't fool me.

Oh, that's what you do. Don't fool me under the moonlight. Lunch, 1220. Meet me there. 1220 is crazy. For lunch? Meet me there. High noon.

High noon. I need that sun to be high in the sky. Yeah, we're sitting outside all of that. Let me see the skin and the teeth. I need to see it. I'm on the nose. I'm on the nose. No, I respect it.

You'd be like looking in the back of the mouth. Yeah, I make them laugh and I'm like, trying to see that back molar, make sure that back molar is still in place. Yeah. What if she's like between molars? Nah, you're too young for me then. You ain't got all your molars, get out my face. But have you noticed there's been like older people like getting their molars out?

I've seen that lately. I'm like, y'all didn't get that shit out 15 years ago? Oh, you mean like your wisdom teeth? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Not molars. I'm like, you need your molars. Yeah. No, you got your wisdom teeth taken out?

All four at one time, yeah. Really? I still got mine. No, I got mine taken out because, well, you don't need to get them taken out unless they start affecting your other teeth. Mine got impacted, so I had to get them out. Yeah. Mall just got extra teeth.

I have extra teeth? Yeah, because you didn't get your wisdom teeth taking out. So now you got, what, 30? No, we have less teeth. Like, that's the teeth that he was given. He didn't get extra ones. Yeah, I came in and again. didn't go to the dentist's lay yo give me four more but you're supposed to have 32 teeth right but

with the wisdom teeth that's like 36 no don't get me started on the rabbit hole i don't know i don't know i don't know if that's how it works of why you get your wisdom teeth out why do you because you don't think i wish i wish i would have known i envy more we're both vaccine free but i got four out of my fucking mouth now what is it what does it do for you what is it you're not ready for that 32 includes the four wisdom oh okay i didn't know so damn we so you got 20 18 i got 28 teeth Yeah. Damn. That's why you eat so slow.

So I niggas hate taking you out. They been trying to get the check. She's still true. You're picking at the appetizing. Yeah, come on. You got so you need your full more. Get your full more, man. So with you, yo.

My mouth ain't big enough. You got big mouth, so. Plenty of room. I got a big mouth. Yeah, you got a wide mouth. I got a wide mouth. Plenty of room for the all four of them to grow. without being impacted.

But anyway, yeah, Maul, you got to come outside with me and Rory. Post-post-stroke Demerison, Rory, like, I don't know. It was fun like the old us. We was outside for, like, the old us. And it was cool to see Austin and a bunch, you know, like the old crew. It was fun. That's what's up, man. I'm glad you had a good time.

Yeah, and the old crew in a new environment, like, not the old cognac-induced one. Like, why are we this high up? There's only absolute vodka around. Like, we couldn't even buy cognac if we wanted. Yeah. Like, it's nice. Niggins, so we're getting money now. Me and the gang getting money now, you know what I'm saying?

It ain't no more duce out of plastic cups. The edge has the nicest green room I've ever seen in my entire. It beats the Barclays. It beats the garden. The Edge green room. I mean, it's basically like one of their private, like, restaurant rooms. They make a green room. It's the nicest thing.

You have the craziest view. I'm like, why are we going outside? That's a dope-ass spot to have a party at. No, it's cool. Yeah. And it was nice out. It was great. Everything was perfect.

Everything was perfect. I wouldn't even know, like, how to get on that guess. Like, if Austin was not DJ and I wouldn't even know with the name of the club. Like, is it called the Edge? The Marquis Sky Lounge. Okay. Sky Deck. I'm sorry.

They would turn me away so quick if I wasn't with Austin. No, they would. You're the type that they need in there. Nah. I don't wear enough, like I used to wear a button up shirts. I don't anymore. I don't show enough chest. Oh, you got to go on there like that.

Okay, yeah. I'm cool. Yeah, I got to click my hard bottoms, get up to the, 101st floor like i got that's that's the type of guy that that's up there like he's an exchange student just just for the summer like yeah i'm not that guy man oh okay they'd ask if i was here to you know clean the toilets or something yeah but next time you also's on tour i mean he's doing dates yeah he did a full tour at the top of the year but now he's just you know doing spot dates dope man shout out austin mills man but no i think it's crazy his family stay up that lay i can't stay up

that late. You start DJing at midnight. Oh, no. No, no, no, no. I was active. Start at midnight? No, no, no. I'm ready to wind it down at midnight. Yeah. Well, Austin's about to be on this, um, Bryson Tiller tour. Oh, were? Okay. Yeah. At the, uh, the garden, I definitely want to go to in September. Jordan. It's Majid, it's, it's Majd, Austin, Ty, and Bryson. Oh, that sounds like a good day. They out there. They out there. Look what you're thinking about. September 13th. They like the guys. Like, Bright, Bryson's in front of them.

the show. Austin, of course, is family. Yeah. So, you know, Ty's cool. That's our guy. So it's, you know, the guys out there. You guys are out. We were just with Majia Jordan's tour manager at the Kalani show. Like, come on. It's all family. Yeah. So tied in. Damn, you sound industry

of shit right now. It's all family. I don't know see it, but I don't know him through the industry. I don't do my cousin. Mm. So now what? It's like just a whole other just add on. I didn't know he was OVO until I saw the chain at World boxing gym. I was like, oh, you must be a big fan.

He's like, no, no, I've been on, I've been a tour with Drake since 2009. Oh, man. That's funny. September 13th, I might have to check that out. You, come on. Like, look at that lineup. That's a dope lineup. That's, that's a really good lineup. And I've never seen Majia Jordan. I've never seen them live. Yeah, I think I don't think I don't think I would like to see them. I'm trying to remember. But yeah, either way, Mattis Square Garden, September 13th. We might have to double back on the 19th in Jersey as well. Never know. There's a lot of good, like, tours going on this year.

Like, I think it's outside. I like that. The good thing and bad thing of artists having to compete with festivals is they got to put together a show. Like, yeah. Brandy, Monica, let's just do this thing together. We have to compete with Roots Picnic this year. Yeah. Like, I get it.

But those artists make sense. Brandy, Monica, Chris Brown, Usher. Yeah. They make sense. Like that. Who else do you think should go on tour together? Like that would make sense in that kind of pairing. Hmm.

I don't know if any rappers could do it. I mean, I like the no limit cash money. That makes sense. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. As far as rappers, though, I don't know. Listen, if college trying to do a proper rollout, I wouldn't say even do a tour, but if you did a proper spot date, Callage show, go get Ace Hood,

go get all like the classic combos that you have in each city, the Calid tour would be incredible. Like every day is different. It wouldn't necessarily be like traveling around with everybody, but they would announce it. Like Texas is this lineup, which is these records. Cali could put together a really cool tour. To me, that'd be a better rollout than like, all right, let me beg Don Tolliver for a feature. Don Tolliver, I got to catch his show. Don Tolliver bought out Justin Timberlake.

Yeah, that was incredible. Which is so crazy. That's like that you, that's the last thing you expect. Like the last person we was expecting to see was Justin Tim Blake come out on a Don Tolliver show. Very random. But I like it though. Like Justin said, I was just here just to watch the show. You know, I'm a fan, whatever.

And Don like, nah, fuck that. You got to come out and do at least one joint. Yeah. And I think some of the legends and older artists are realizing that, Don isn't just having a moment like he's actually really talented. Like I'm sure they're starting to hear from other producers. Like, no, no, he'd really be writing and making all this shit. Like, don't think this is some created shit.

That kid is actually really talented. But yeah, that was dope. But pairing is, I'm trying to think in the rap world, what would make sense. It's weird these days. The rap world? I think they should have been did a blog era tour. I don't know why not write or somebody. Dap Fiff.

Like, why is there not a blog era? tour oh yeah that's over though that's not going to happen it's too late for that it can still do it why is it too late for that a blog errant with all the anniversary shit going on like i all right who would you have on a tour um i mean i think a lot of the smokers club shit where there was crit dizzah whiz um dom i feel like they just went on tour together though did they i could be i feel like dizzer and and i feel like they just did it like a smokers smokers lounge smokers something to it i feel like that was a couple years ago go. Okay.

Yeah, Smokers Club. Yeah, well, I mean, they did that a lot post the blog era. But that's 2011, 2015. Oh, yeah, that's... 2022. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, just, yeah, the typical name. And even if it's not similar to the Calid idea,

even if it's not the same crew in every place, like, I still think Big Sean would be a part of that for a few dates. Mm-hmm. I haven't think Cole Kendrick and Drake, separately if it caught like some good traction with the first few shows like you don't think Drake's popping up to a Toronto blog era shit with

Wiz, Dom, like all them as like the core group that travels around. Kendrick's showing up in L.A., Sean showed up in Detroit. Cole will drive to Honda anywhere. Like I, they would pop up. That's something I would like to see. Oh my God, you think Drake could do, don't you have a man?

Oh my gosh. Just do comeback season. I don't want to hear nothing that a studio release. I want to hear the fucking mixtapes. If Dwell-A's in Detroit, then maybe him and Sean can do it together. That's all I want. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. Shout out to B.G. and, Julie, for coming through last week.

Oh, it was great. But the more I sat back this weekend and thought about it, Wayne needs to be on that tour. Well, I mean, that was kind of when they did the verses, it was great to see, but that was also, like, the biggest missing link. Like, Wayne, Wayne needs to be on that tour. Wayne could benefit from being on that tour. I agree with you.

Of course he's the biggest poll. Yeah, he's Wayne. Obviously, he's the biggest name out of cash money and obviously the hot boys and all of that. But like, Wayne, Wayne could definitely benefit off of being on the road with cash money right now. Yeah. I think that would be an incredible look for him, incredible look for the tour. Like, I think he needs that. I think he needs to be around his day ones, though, that day.

energy, those records. Like, I think he needs, I think Wayne can definitely benefit off of that right now. Yeah. No, it would be great. I mean, and I don't think it would even end up being like the Wayne tour like he would overshadow anything. I think it would just be great for him to be part of it. Yeah, no, I just think that that, that, you know, obviously he's a big part of that whole entire moment, movement, label, legacy of cash money. But yeah, like, if they're going out on the road, I definitely think Wayne should be a part of that. Yeah. Like, I don't think Wayne is above doing that.

No, I don't know. Like, so I think he should, I think he should be above that. I think he should be a part of that. I think he should definitely pop out. I know he's on, he's still on tour, his own tour right now. Well, I mean, where is he at currently. I don't know where he's at with everybody. Obviously, he's fine with Juvian and BG.

But as he's back cool with Birdman, I never really know what's called. Yeah, I don't know. I don't, you know, that's personal shit. I don't know where they're at on a personal level. But just overall, just for that. that moment, that look, I think Wayne benefits from that. I agree.

No, I think that's a good look for Wayne. You should only do something if you, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, it's just level with your career if you benefit from it. So I think he definitely benefits from that. Yeah. And I think it'd be an opportunity from Wayne fans to see records he's never performed. Like, that would be a cool, cool thing for sure. GZ and T.I would be a cool tour.

I would stop what I was doing to go to a joint. Yeah. GZ and TI. Yeah. I think that would be. There might be something I would go to. That would definitely be something I will go to. Even if they go like all symphony.

Oh yeah, because GZ, did he start? No, he's been doing this in Vegas for. It's over. That was his last one. Okay. And I thank God the historian of hip hop was there to bless the last night to stamp Gizi as hip hop. Yes. Our hip hop historian, thank God.

Shout out to LeBron James for making sure that Gizi got his flowers and that, you know, we can officially say Gizi is hip hop now. Yeah, it's official. there's been a lot of debate yeah there's a lot of back and forth about whether geez he was hip hop or not but we settled that this weekend but that show was great

I hope he keeps doing that symphony that was his last Vegas residency but I could definitely see him taking that on tour though like usher did you know I should did his Vegas residency he's on tour with Chris now yeah

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podcasts. Did you see that clip of Farrell calling T Payne to come and save R&B? No. But play a little bit of it. It's only a minute long. How are you? What the fuck are you doing, man? T Payne was on strike.

Like, golden to death. No one can make R&B that is missing right now like you. You know, B. I just want to explain this to you. Am I being honest? I do not to get scientific, but you made it look really easy. Yep. And I feel like you're bridged

to bringing back Army to what? I feel like you need for black people. You are the bridge versus nobody like people. He's at the personality of the youth

where the youth would gravitate like you. Wake up. It's not sting that great team thing. You can do it. You can do it. It's funny.

True. I'm fucking back. Let me put my right brain on this. That was not allowed. Reconvene, if you will. Yeah, I'm about to say, that was for real

with somebody else. That wasn't real. I don't know who the other person on the phone was. but yeah, it was frowning someone else. All right, are they wrong, though? I think R&B is in a very good space.

Not saying it's not, but I think the party aspect of male R&B is missing a bit in the way that T. Payne dominated. And so whoever the other gentleman was on the phone, he is the closest thing that we have to modern R&B from an elder statesman, if you will, of the influence of what Payne did with Autotune and Sonics and everything. it's probably the closest we have to what the young kids are trying to do. I don't know, man.

I mean, T. Payne is a legend, no doubt about it. I just don't know if saving R&B needs to be saved. I think that R&B is in a very, very good place. Like, I just think that the artists that are, you know, doing their thing right now, Leon Thomas, K. Lani. I mean, shit, even usher and Chris Brown on tour selling out, like, I just, I don't know. I think R&B is in a good place.

Now, I would have been a nigger on the phone telling Farrell to get back to some hip-hop shit because hip-hop need to be saved. He just did a whole Clips album. That was incredible. All right. What else? And he's doing Quabo's entire album now. Even though the first single is like not really my go-to, I'm excited to hear an entire Quavo Farrell album.

No? Okay. Maul not excited. If you couldn't read his body language, he's not excited. it. The Quavo record sounds good, though. That new Quavel record sounds good. It's definitely growing up. When it first came out, I didn't particularly like it. It's grown on me. It's still not my shit. But it has grown on me.

I just don't know. I'm just... Cuevo to me is like, it's a different type of rap, though. Like, when I say Farrell coming back to save hip hop, like, it's a different thing that I'm talking about. I mean... How you just said to clips, like that type of hip hop? we need more of that from Farrell. You know what I'm saying? Like we need more of that type of...

People got to be able to rap. He can produce all they want to, but like people got to not rap. Yeah, like those minimal Farrell beats, you need somebody like pushing Malice to fill those beats up or else it's gonna sound weird. But like Surfry is one of the best Migo songs,

in my opinion, as far as like singles go. So then on that sound... Yeah. Oh shit. That's a classic Ferrell beat. And to me that like, obviously it's not. the same if it's not all three of them but i'm not mad at quavo just sitting with feral

i think we need something like that yeah but when i'm speaking about saving hip-hop i'm not going to quavo for real i would listen to it because it's feral and quaver obviously is capable of making dope records but like i think that feral should spend more time like with rappers and in hip-hop what rappers any of them whoever would sit with them. I mean, obviously, of a certain level. Everybody will sit with Farrell. Yeah.

Any and everybody. Who should his Farrell sit with? That's what I'm saying. I don't know what Stovegard is doing. I don't know what his situation is. But we need it. It's a Swiss thing right now. We need a Stovat album.

I think that Farrell and Stov God could definitely get in the studio and do something. Because Stovat obviously makes amazing hooks. Like, once you can make a hook with Farrell, you got a great chance of it being a hit record. But does his rapping style as far as versus, do you think that belongs on a Farrell beat? Hell yeah. I mean, even though he just did the hook on the Clips album,

like, we was mad that there wasn't a Stovegoy like he would sound amazing. Hell yeah. Like that right there told me all I needed to know. Like if we didn't get more of that, if we can get 10 of those Stove God and Farrell, I think that moves things a little bit

in hip-hop. Okay. Who is? Gibbs and Farrell, I would love to hear. Gibbs and Farrell. Not to say that Farrell does just like R&B style hip hop because clearly just did the Clips album, but I think Gibbs is underrated in his R&B type bag, and I think if Faroe gives him some of those early to mid-2000s style Neptune's beats

that were more pop R&B leaning, Gibbs would shine on those. But I don't know. I mean, I think Farrell right after the Cliffs album, he did some shit with Ross, he did something with TI. Farrell's been probably more active than he's been. for the past few years compared to prior.

Yeah, he's been a little he's been a little busy out there. So I mean, but again, those those I don't know, man. I think R&B is in a good space. I think hip hop needs Farrell more than R&B needs T. Payne right now.

I can understand where they're coming from more from a commercial standpoint because we can sit up there and say R&B's in a great space, right? Because we like the music. But the R&B artists themselves might not say the same.

thing because they're not getting as much recognition as they probably should. Like if you think about R&B that top the charts recently, I don't want to say top the charts, but even made it to a good place in the charts, you think of folded and you think you think of mutt. What else? Yeah, R&B's been tough to chart. It's not. Like R&B is not in a good place.

We like the music that's being made, but it's not doing well. Do you think rap is in a good space? I don't think music soundwise is another place to begin with. I don't think black music is charting that well period. Forget selling. I'm talking about the music, the sound. I think the sound of R&B, because we said there's a lot of artists that we listen to, they put out projects. Aumbray might have R&B album with a year. Definitely.

I don't care where it chartered at. Okay, but they do. I understand that. If they're playing the industry game, the labels, I understand they care. I'm talking more. So when I say in a good space, I'm talking about creatively. Why it's not charting, this than a third, that's a whole other conversation. Just creatively, I think R&B is in a way better space than rap is.

It's not even close. Okay. Not even close. Well, if we're doing that, then I'm sure that there's rap artists and don't ask me to name them because you do do that thing. I'm sure there's rap artists that are not charting that are making good rap, but it's just not going anywhere because the same way a lot of you name it like, you know, people who aren't as well known. Obviously, our platforms, we push them. But to the masses, they're not well known. I'm sure there's plenty of rap artists that are the same.

way. But we don't have access to them because hip hop is not being pushed away it used to be. Our and B is not being pushed the way it used to be. So you don't hear about these people. Saying that to me is not really saying much because I find good rap. Again, I don't care if it's charting or not. If I see somebody online or, you know, a lot of the underground cats that I know is dope, I'll follow them, like, oh, he just put out a new project or, you know what I'm saying? And I'll listen to it like, oh, no, that was

dope. I don't know what it did. I don't know what it streamed. Don't really care. but like even with that there's way more R&B artists that are creating better catalogs and projects

than rappers way more I can name probably five, six R&B artists that most probably don't really know of that have incredible projects I don't think I can name five rappers that people don't really know

if they have incredible projects I don't think I could do that you might get a good song. A rapper might get a good song. But then when they put the project out, you're like, I'm disappointed, a little underwhelmed. Like, it's not really, I had more expectations from this dude. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I get it, but I just, you know, and not saying those dudes will have access to a Farrell beat. I'm not, you know, that's, you know, far fest. But I think that, again, R&B, as far as, you know, Farrell saying, R&B needs T-Pain. I'm not

mad at a new T-Pain album. I'm not going to say that I wouldn't listen to New T-Pain album. album. But I think that if we don't get a new T-Pain album, I think R&B is in a good space. But I think that we definitely need some of these rising rappers and hip-hop acts. I think some of them need Farrell's number and some of his files. Like, for sure. Like, just to get the music over the hump. Because that's what's really lacking. We talk about shit not streaming well and not chart and things like that. It's because the music is not that good. you can wrap your ass off but if the music is not good if it doesn't have any replay value

and people don't want to hear it then it's like what's the point? Hey? Yeah. Sorry if I went on the road. No, no. No, fuck your shit.

It's a pocket. It's a pocket. It's a page. Sorry, Peach. In the way that I think Freel's referring to it, I think Ty could save R&B if Ty

buckle down. Ty being so good is his issue. Ty is same. Arch DeWedo. That's his artist. Great project. Leon's his artist.

Great project. So Ty's doing his part. No, I know. But like almost to the point of like my biggest weaknesses that I try too hard like in the job interview. That's my thing with Todd Diler. Like he can he can put out 75 amazing records in one week. Like he just gets in a studio can do that.

And I feel like when he does that, they get pushed to the side and they never get fully completed. If you just sat down and focused on 12 motherfucking records, Ty Dollar could give us a classic timeless, timeless album. He's just too good. Chris Brown similar to that too. Stop making 75 songs a week. Let's focus on 14. Like 14 monsters instead of 75 good songs. I'm good with eight monsters. Like Ty could do that. Eight monsters and fulfill. Tanya makes shit for the club, for the radio, for like traditional R&B, for fucking, for ride in the car. Ty can cover every single box the way T. Payne used to be able to. Ty could be the one to really do that if he feels like doing that, which I just don't think he does at this point.

Because to your point, he's got Leon, he's got RJs. He's focused on other shit. But Ty could be that, in my opinion. Like, I would have liked to hit Farrell producing on Game album. Same. you see what I'm saying we need shit like that same especially because I think game is

one of the best beat pickers in my opinion I think game has an incredible ear for beats so with Pharrell playing him 100 beats I know game will probably pick shit that makes the most sense for him that's all I'm saying man what'd you think of the game album now that we're here

I thought it was okay I was expected the content to be a little different. Game sounds like... Were you? Yeah, only because Game, I feel like he got so much to say... And he said some shit on his album. Like, obviously, he got shit to say. But it was a little more aggressive than I thought it was anticipating it to be. Okay.

Like, I thought it was going to be more of a reflective, sentimental kind of tone from Game. But this, he was turned up on this album. Like, the energy was totally... I wasn't expecting this energy from game. Like this, this felt like early game. And I'm not mad. And that's a great thing because obviously he's had a lot of success. But I was expecting a different kind of tone, I think, from game.

I don't know why, but I feel like he obviously has some, you know, we've seen some clips come out after the album came out. He has a lot to say. He was somewhere and he had the mic and he was so much, you know, Black Sam not, you know, responding to none of his phone calls. And he can't get in touch with, was it, Kendrick? He can't get in touch with Kendrick. So obviously the game has a lot to say. And I thought that that kind of sentiment would have been more reflective in the music on the album.

Now, he still, like I said, he still had, you know, covered some things on the album. He said some things. But I think the music was a little more aggressive than I thought it would have been. Okay. I think the music was a little more aggressive than I thought. But it's not, I'm not mad at it. No, no, that's what I'm saying. But I thought it would have been, I thought his, like him expressing.

him being pissed off, the tone would have been different. I didn't think it was going to be aggressive. I didn't think it was going to feel as aggressive as the music felt. But, I mean, overall, I mean, the album is good, though. I'm not mad at it. Yeah. There's a couple of joints on there that I really like. Obviously, game is rapping. I mean, I don't think we never hear a game where he's not rapping. But I just think for me, I was expecting just the energy and the tone to be a little different. Yeah, I mean, I really like the project. Again, it's tough because I do have that nostalgia thing with my brain when it comes to game where there's always just that, you know, I was 15 when he came out. Like I always love when game raps.

So there's that part of listening to artists like that that I don't think everyone that wasn't in that age bracket feels. The same way when people talk about rappers that came before, like, y'all listen to Big Daddy Kane way different than I do. It's just different because I was there type thing. So I have to keep that in mind when I listen to a game project and then we have a podcast. I'm talking about it because it's never going to be that objective when I have that nostalgic feel with everything that he puts out. But I still like that. I think the beats are great on it. My only real complaint is a lot of the songs you can tell that they're dated.

Like that it's, and it's hard to even explain. Some sounds so obviously like, oh, this has been in his hard drive for it. It doesn't make it bad. it just feels like maybe you should just put this out when you recorded it type of it feels dated like it feels incomplete it that might be what I'm feeling because I maybe maybe it was at that time when he recorded that that energy and that aggression was there yeah like I said I I really was expecting you know more like soul samples I was expecting more that game like where it was like you know him just yeah the mickey's joints with drama like yeah

he had he had the energy in moments on the album but I was expecting the price project to be more of that than to hear game told him out, shoot him in his head, turn him over, check his pockets, make sure that nigga dead. I was like, oh, geez. I thought he was in a different space. I'm like, oh, he's still turked up. I'm like, okay. Like, I wasn't expecting that. Again, it wasn't bad, but I just wasn't expecting that energy. Yeah. But no, I really don't. In 2026, I'm not looking for something that far outside of this with a game album. Like, this. This is game. I wanted to hear Game on some soul samples, you know, really get into the, because we obviously, it's a lot going on behind the scenes that obviously is not our business and we're not privy to. But like, it's a lot of relationships that may be strained, that may have a little, you know, funny tone to it right now.

Game is obviously not, you know, again, this is things he spoke about of, people not responding to them, not hitting them back. You know, I felt like we would have got more of that. on the album like speak to that like why is why those relationships like that why why isn't black why do you think black sam i mean i can sit here and say why i think black sam ain't calling them back i think we all can i can yeah i can speculate from from the information that we that we have which which is fine and i want to make it clear that we don't know but what we do know is and you know no disrespect to whack or anything but whack was walking around saying some disparaging things

well what some would perceive as disparaging things about nips that's whack's opinion whatever there was also something with a sex tape at some point. I can totally understand why his brother would feel away after his brother was murdered. 100%. That you're doing that. And then there was something weird with, was there not, Black Sam didn't clear a nipsy verse for games project before this. And that got odd because Wack was saying certain things at the time was like, no, you're

not about to have a nifty verse. So yeah, I can see. We can see why somebody. There's things out there that we can say. From what I know. That's what I know. Right. And again, we're not, we don't, we're not privy to.

you know, all of the behind the scenes things, but the things that are out, you know, in the public and things that we have heard over the years, we can kind of figure out why. But that's what I'm saying. I was expecting Game to kind of speak to that a little more and kind of like give us that side of it or his side of it. Okay, well, can I speculate why I don't think Kendrick is allegedly not picking up the phone because you never really know. Because game would talk about it.

Everything you're saying is I think the reason why. certain people may not want to speak to game right now. And that's what makes Game a great artist, whether you think he's telling the truth or not telling the truth, game is never going to hide who he's speaking to and what they're saying. Which is why I've loved his music. But Kendrick, who has been, I think, purposely quiet. Of course, he's been quiet his whole career.

I'm not saying this is a post-battle thing. But Kendrick has been very, very quiet, and is letting everything else speak and fans speak, this and that. If I answer the phone for Game, there may be a whole record of our conversation out tomorrow. Like, just giving a, this is just a fan talking. I'm not trying to disrespect nobody. Just it's just a, from a fan's perspective of someone who loves game, I could see,

all right, man, if I talk to game and this time, will this be used? Even if it was just a, yo, what's up, yo, how your kids doing? Like a regular conversation. How is that going to be used? Because I've seen Game even when he couldn't get a, well, not couldn't get a Drake feature, but wanted another Drake feature after the Hunter record. He put Drake leaving voice notes about why he couldn't do the verse on the album. If I, not like Drake said anything bad, but it's just like, why are my voice notes on his album?

Yeah, I feel you. Yeah, I just think that, you know, again, I was expecting because he did speak, I think that was at his album release party. Yeah. And he said, you know, I put Kendrick in places that I wanted to be. that I wish niggas would have put me. I put Kendrick on his first mixtape. I took Kendrick on tour.

I showed Kendrick number love, but I can't get on the phone with the nigga. And then he said, you know, same thing in regards to Black Sam. He said, I call Fades my own homies to take Nipsey on tour, but I can't seem to get in touch of Black Sam to holl at him. Again, I was expecting to hear more of this on the album. You know what I mean? Like really speak to that.

Hey. Let the music speak to that. Just the energy. Again, the energy was just more aggressive than I was expecting. And I mean, obviously, that's game. That's, you know, the game, he's going to be turned up. But I just figured at this point, his career, his life, again, so much going on, you know, where he's from, on the personal side, personal relations with different people.

I just was just expecting the tone and the energy to be a little different. That's all. I think that also may speak to some of these records being old. Well, no, that's what I said. When you said that, I'm like, okay. I think these joints and even like no breaks. I think that's a great fucking record. Maybe take the time and really reach out to Drake.

Let's finish this. Because clearly that was probably something they started years ago. Just fucking around in the studio and Drake just added that no breaks part and then game finished his song. But like, yeah, that felt like that was probably an old-ass record. And I don't know if game is using that without everything happening right now, which is there's nothing wrong with that. I like the song, No Breaks.

but of course it would help to use a song with Drake and you're talking about Kendrick at the release party and everything everyone's wondering what sides you're picking and then you have like the car is the single cover I don't think game puts no breaks out as the version we hear if it wasn't post-battle mayhem right now I think he hits Drake and says I need a verse a bridge let's finish this record

because it is a fire record like it's great But you can tell us, obviously. Yeah. And like, I even like the, the Kanye joint, but you can clearly tell that was definitely recorded during the easy with that whole era. Like, you can tell when a lot of these were recorded. And we can be totally wrong, but we just speculate. Definitely. And again, I want to make it very good.

I like this project. Kanye might have laid the vocals three weeks ago. They could do that shit. Fucking at 11 p.m. Yeah, like, we don't know. We just, we just speculating off of just our opinion and what we felt. But, I mean, to me, game is still one of my personal favorites ever. I think he's one of the best beat pickers.

I like that run it up during with Leon Thomas. Fire. Like that record. Games dysography from 2026 to 2004 is unmatched. I put that up against a lot of our favorites, icons. Game is one of the best. So salute to game. Always like to get into music.

I ain't a lot of it. It's starting to feel like the East Coast embraces game more than the West Coast. That's how it started. It's always been like that. He said that out loud. But like it's like, because I'm seeing even like West Coast, like, I guess media personalities just the way they speak on game and I'm like yo y'all don't fuck with game like one of y'all that's held the flag for the west coast so high like and again i don't know personal things

behind the scenes why people may or may not fuck with game i'm i'm not from california so i don't know i'm not speaking to that but i'm just saying from a surface level it's like really evident that like the east coast embraces it seems like we embrace game well i think that's where the chip and And I'm going to echo something Waino said, which I thought was definitely correct. The way Game speaks about his history is 100% accurate. I'm just not sure if everyone on the West Coast feels the same way. And I think Game has that chip on his shoulder because he had to leave L.A., go to the Bay to start his career, then go back to L.A., then come to New York.

Like, the first time, I think most people that weren't maybe in that core L.A. area or that core Bay area was certified gangsters. I heard him with Dipset. That's the first time I heard game. And then Jimmy Yvine was like, all right, he's been with Interscope for three years. Let's just put him with G-Nit, bro. Like, he's rapping like a New York mixtape rapper right now. Let's just put him there.

I mean, yeah, he popped on the East Coast. Yeah, but it's like, I mean, he's wrapped the West. But that's what I'm saying. He went back to the West Coast and was carrying that torch. So I see why he has such a chip on his shoulder for the West Coast, period. Like, look at everything I had to go through. through what I had to do to get this shit back popping. And I don't know.

Maybe people on the West Coast don't see it that way. We're outside looking in. All right, but let's look at the facts. He did give a lot of these dudes that's lit now, they early looks. First time I ever heard Kendrick was on a gay mixtape. I understand what I'm saying? So it's like, it ain't like he got lit and left and didn't reach back and pull the next, the next guys up.

Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, you got to, that's honorable. We got to honor that. I don't care who you. That's honorable. shit because a lot of these dudes once they get on and get lit, I can promise you. A lot of these niggas do not reach back and pull up the next one coming up. They was killing game because there was another clip from this party where he had said top had offered me half of TDE. And I know

everybody was was killing game for that. And I mean, I'll say the elephant in the room. A lot of people think game is a liar. A lot of people think that. That's kind of like been attached to his jacket when it comes to entertainment and rap. I'm not saying in his real life, but like, on wax, people have said Game, be lying. Is that that hard to think at that time when Top just had Jayrock and they had a relationship

since way, way back when? I like, I don't think it's that far-fetched. Like, TD was not always TDE. And Game was one of the biggest artists in the fucking world. And Top having that relationship with Game and his friends.

Like that that's that far fetched y'all that that j rocks manager wouldn't be like oh i'm doing this t-de-e shit you want to fuck with me yeah and he's like oh i'm trying to get black wall street popping is that that far-fetched to think no not for me not for me but damn i kicked myself god damn it you should i should have said yes to own in half a td e right now i mean but everything you wouldn't get the documentary three everything happens the way that it's supposed to because of game would have bought in then maybe td e wouldn't have have become the TDE that it is. It could have become, and I'm not going to say Black Wall Street because that's their

business, but it could have been so game focused instead of building a roster focused. Exactly. No, I hear you. But, Dan, that'd be kind of to see where TDE is now. Yeah. But I am a while. I do wish that he would have talked about these things on the album instead. Yeah, he gets into some shit on here.

He does. No, he touched on certain things. But again, I just was like knowing everything. Everything that's been going on, you know, when we found out we was getting a new game album, I think my expectations were, oh, he about to really, like, he going to sit down and really have a talk. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is going to feel like a diary. Like, he's really going to get into some personal things.

And, you know, I would say where he went wrong, things he may have done wrong, wish he would handle things differently, like, whatever, you know what I'm saying? Like, but again, you know, a lot of these things. songs the energy was like oh no this nigga game is outside like he ain't yeah yeah he said what he said and like that was the energy like i said what i said and do something about it yeah like that was the energy i didn't think that was going to be the approach you know with this project but again there's still some joints on here that i like um and obviously listen the game's gonna always rap so we ain't we never got to talk about the rap and to me it's always just the music while we're um on west coast did you see uh

Dr. Dre had said that he's using AI to make music. I did see that. All right. The deep riff is. Well, Dr. Dre officially confirms he is using AI to make music. He says, I think the only people, Rory, that see it as a threat, Rory, are the people who have trouble creating Rory. It's a new tool for creativity, Rory.

Some people are afraid of learning, Rory, new things, Rory. No, some people are creating without it and doing just fine. conspiracy time. I don't think Dr. Dre needs money. I don't think Dr. Trace broke. I think he's all right. I think he's doing just fine. I think he's all right.

Yeah. But I don't know. Is anyone starting to notice that the biggest A-list artist, not only A-list as producers, but A-list as producer businessman? Because not act like Dr. Dre is not in the tech world before anybody was. That's a fact.

Timberlin as well. I think people get it fucked up. his business side of things as well are getting the same fucking talking points that they're just spewing out, they don't even speak. They don't even speak. It feels like when COVID hit. Yes. Yeah.

And they're about to do the imagined A-list artist song to make us all feel better about being locked up. Every person is getting the same talking points. I'm not saying he's being paid, but it's getting a little weird. It's like seeing that. Dr. Drake speaks? What was the last time you heard Dr. Dr. Dr. Drey say a word? I can't remember.

still ain't say why you. Not my. I know. Never mind. No, I haven't heard him speak. I haven't heard him speak. Same shit too. Yo, we don't want to get left behind.

Do you want to be the person that's not on the boat? Because there was no need for him to talk about that. Did someone ask him that question, though? Because I don't want to just make it. Yeah, an interview alongside Jimmy Iveen. And, yeah, of course people are going to ask Jimmy Iveen and Dr. Dre about AI. You'd be a terrible journalist not to. but it's the same it's the same fucking talking points every single time i'm not going to know i was

kind of shocked to hear dr jake talk about this the way he did if it was anybody i thought it would be against this it would have been dr dr dr dr dr like and i'm not saying ai is a terrible thing i'm not one of those guys but to say oh the only people that have a problem with is people that have trouble creating it's like that's crazy what like like no or people can just see that this is something that is just stealing ideas. And because obviously we're not, we're human. We can't create as fast as a machine and a, you know, technology can. So this is like this is potentially something that is going to take jobs and opportunities away from real people that have been creating and writing and pouring out real emotions and feelings and their

spirit into music into the arts for years. and is now being pushed to the side by technology. Like, I just don't, again, Dr. Dr. Dr. J ain't got to come out and say AI is terrible. But you definitely don't need to come out and say the only people that have a problem with this are people that have trouble creating. Yeah. That's not the only people to have a problem with this. Like, creators are going to always create no matter what.

I don't care what technology does. Like, you're always going to need humans at some point. So throwing a bone. I like to play devil's advocate. I think that part of the reason why so many artists and producers are defending AI, I think it's kind of sparking their creativity a little bit because they've done so much for so long that they kind of got bored. So now there's this new tool that can kind of like they can add to their skills.

So I think they're playing around with it and extending their own talent by way of AI. And I think that that might be why they're defending this art. It's like, oh, like this is a new toy. Like now I'm reinspired. I've been using these same programs for years and doing the same shit. And now this is a way where I can kind of extend my creativity. Or would you say it makes sense? Or give you another angle.

Okay. Maybe this is something weird. Because if Dr. Dre and Jimmy I, Venus, I'm talking about something. It means some business was done behind the scenes somewhere already. Maybe we have a new technology coming out called Dreye. Ooh. You're really good with your play. are worse.

T. I couldn't agree more. Maybe there's a Dreye thing coming out, just like we had Dre Beats, headphones. The same way that there's Ableton, there's logic, there's all these different versions of making music, there's 100% going to be a time

when there's a bunch of different AI making apps, if you will. And of course, Beats by Dre was Dre and Jimmy Iveen's idea to begin with, but let's not act like if Dr. Dre was not the face of that in all. hip hop was in the face of it, it would have worked. Right.

Whatsoever. So, yeah, I think there's an incentive to have people like Dr. Dre, Timerlin, Rick Rubin, all these people co-sign it from that level. Rick Rubin co-signed it? He said it's the new punk rock, bro. He said it's the new punk rock? Yeah. Wait, are we sure he said that?

Oh, you speculate. No, he said that. What the fuck is going on? I'm trying to tell you. They're definitely invested in the companies for sure. New punk rock? AI. Well, I mean, Jimmy Iveen, who's one of the most brilliant music execs that's ever lived on Earth.

Without a doubt. Of course, I'm sure Jimmy has some investment within the next thing in the music industry. And Dre is his partner in every sense of the word. Let me give some context on Rick Rubin's, his quote. He called AI-assisted vibe coding the punk rock of software development because it lowers technical barriers just like punk rock did for music. so it makes it easier to get into technically everybody doesn't have to be as well trained as punk rock did for like music

I don't like making something easier for everybody to get into that's the problem with rap now that's why this shit is trash niggas make niggas made gatekeeping seem like it was a bad thing yo why are you gaykeeping why you're keeping niggins out because y'all trash y'all looking at it as a hustle

looking at it as a quick come up y'all don't really care about making music don't really care about writing raps, don't really care about creating art. Y'all just trying to get a lick and get girls to like you. But y'all don't really care about this shit. So for you to say that about a technology, like, it's like, bro, you don't need,

everybody does not need, you need to have a certain skill set of a certain level to really break through, or what I feel, you need to break through music. You need to be somebody that really knows what you're doing. Yeah. Now, if you're bringing in some software and some technology to make it easier,

come on bro like what you the music is gonna suffer it's just like the punk scene in lower east side it's the same thing like the music the music is going to suffer it might get better it's basically kirk cobbing or it might get better i guarantee you it will not easier doesn't be better i guarantee you it will not they will not get better there's no way that's not what that's not what art does when art gets easier it doesn't get better art we're talking about art i'm not saying other things in life when it gets easy. I'm saying art. When art becomes easier, that doesn't mean it's better. Like, well, when the barrier of entry is easier. No, that means there's too many niggas in here that don't know what they're doing. Now I got to sift through more bullshit to find the goal. Yeah, now I have to

watch the Island Boys box small people. Yeah, like I got to watch. That's what I have to go through to get to music now. Don't they have a hit record probably? I'm sure the Island Boys have a song that's out there. P-star, Starrs. Like that's what we got to go through now Yeah, I don't know man That's punk rock though I get it they got tattoos I'm on the side

They kiss each other I understand technology And I understand You know it's it's gonna happen No matter what But like Seeing all of these You know these guys

That have done amazing things In the industry and in art Get behind this thing It does feel like Okay like y'all invested There's you know Some new thing coming That's gonna be

A stable piece In every recording studio in the country. It's going to be a new thing that comes with every iPhone, a new app that comes on every iPhone that y'all are going to be, you know, invested in own. I see what's going on. I get it. I understand.

And beats by Dre got terrible once they sold it. See, somebody like DJ Quick. Where's plastic headphones or whatever? See what DJ Quick says. It's a total violation of culture. It's appropriation. I'd rather have bad human material than good AI material. You get what I'm saying?

I'm not mad at that quote. Yeah, like somebody like DJ, he understands it. Niggin' hop told me one day DJ Quick is the only nigga I ever seen in the studio twist every knob on the board. So that nigga touched every single knob. I know DJ Quick ain't fucking with AI. There's no way. Quick is a genius in his own right. Yeah, there's no way he's fucking with AI.

And people have been killing Dre because they brought up the quote of him on some panel talking about Napster when Napster was popping of like, you steal him from us. Which I agree with him. You're taking food out of my kids' mouths. I was like, I work on this. It's going to get to a point where if you power my music, I'm not going to make it. Yeah. AI programs are stealing music. Like, let's just please just call it.

It's not punk rock. No. You're stealing music from people that are not being compensated so we can teach these AI softwares how to be better. And it's crazy that we're sitting here going against brilliant minds like Dr. Dre, Jim Yavin, and Rick Rubman. But I would like for those three gentlemen to sit down and further explain why they are in the Siders. And I don't want to see no new.

technology come out there that you're investing in. You can't sit down and tell us what you're telling us and then next summer this new thing it comes out and it's like, oh, now you can make, you can create the chronic album right from your phone.

What? Your Spotify rap's not going to have Timberlin's AI artist at the top. What's her name? Or their name? I don't know what they are. Tata Takumi? What?

Taktuomi. Can an AI artist have a guy? Taktoumi. Don't let cancer know. Yeah, no. man, I don't know, bro. I'm on, I'm fucking with a little quick talking about. They, they are, they are correct and like, it's inevitable.

Like, we're not sitting here being like, fight the power against AI is going to happen with or without us. And music is at the bottom of the list. Like, AI is going to control, well, it's already controlling government at this point. Like, music's down here. It's happening. So I see what they're saying in that regard. I guess it can't beat them, John.

It's happening, guys. Y'all can yell all you want on a podcast, Mike, but it's coming to y'all too. I'm not listening to no AI artists. I'm not listening to no AI album, no AI music. I'm not fucking with that. AI artists I'm not listening to but like y'all saw me defending Tiger

if you want help You know this AI There's AI girls on Only fans Yes. That are making millions of dollars Yeah, there's AI There's AI girls on IG That I'm making millions of dollars

Well, I respect that also If you want to get somebody get them. I got to get it. Ryan, you don't know somebody. You're from the Bay. Nah, that ain't what you're about to say. You're from the Bay. Oh, okay.

It's like a tech town. You didn't go to- Palo Alto. He wasn't saying, do you have an Asian AI girlfriend? Yeah, like, you don't know nobody that's creating.

I know, I know you know an anime bitch somewhere. I'm like, what's up? Let's get some AI chicks on Only fans and manage those accounts. What are we doing?

That could have stopped Jed York from going to a trailer park to... Jet York is just, he's an idiot. Who's Jet York? He's the owner of the 49ers. He was caught in a prostitution. He was caught, well, looking for prostitutes or picking up prostitutes in a mobile

trailer home in Ohio. In Ohio. If I own the 49ers. 140 for a hooker? I don't want no pussy. That's 140. We talked about this when it happened to Robert Kraft when they found him at like that dirty, dirty massage parlor in Florida.

I think it's maybe the thrill. I don't, I don't, because obviously. we know these guys have billions of dollars. They could call a high-end 22-year-old hooker that looks amazing to their house to do whatever freaky-ass shit they want. Step on their balls. Do whatever. I think it's the thrill.

Like, I think they want to go to these dirty places. I don't think it's the thrill. I think it's the type of woman. They dirty. It's the type of woman. They dirty. But they could get that woman to go to that place. They want a $140. They want a $140-dollar pussy. Which you, I think that's the thrill of it. Like, no?

No, not the thrill. It's the woman. They just, they just, They want, it's the, you're not good enough. Like, you're like this nasty, dirty bitch. Like, that's a wild fetish. Yeah, but you can get that at a high price. You can treat the high price. That's going like a dirty, nasty bitch. That's what I'm saying.

But you know that deep down she's not. So you can treat her like that. But you know that she's not. You know that there's a Chanel bag in her house. So that my point stands. It's the, he wants to go to the trailer park to see the dirt. But it's not the trailer park. It's the woman.

It's the woman. It's the woman. Yo, he's worth, his net worth is $8 billion. And he's paying $140.40 for pussy. That's like, if that right there says it all, I'm worth $8 billion and I'm paying $140 for pussy. If that don't let niggas know that, bro, this is really, like, pussy is just pussy.

I'm worth $8 billion. And I'm out here in the trailer park trying to pay $140 for some sex. And I don't know how he was called. If it was like a sting operation or somebody like pretending to be someone else, but. He thought he was a fucking narc. Could you imagine like... They thought he was a cop.

If you were a hooker that had a price of $140 and then you find out that client is worth $8. They're like, I could have charged. Charge. We're going to hold this nigga for ransom. You want to make it out of here live? I'll show you dirty. Yeah, they better drop that.

They better drop that duffel bag off right by that dirty-ass trailing out there. Give you a whole Malibu's most wanted experience. That is crazy. I just don't understand how, I don't know, man. It's the same way where you said you like. head from ugly bitches because you like laughing at him. Who said that? I like getting head from ugly girls so I like that. What episode

was that? It's a clip. Pige, remember? Oh my. I said I like getting head from ugly girls. And I was like I was like how you I was like how you laughing ain't shit I don't find shit funny about being ugly. We had a whole conversation about it. Can he said me the clip? You called him a um what was it? He like he you called him a giggle something. A chuckold fucker. A chuckle fucker. Yes. We had a whole conversation about it. But I like getting head from ugly girls because I like to laugh at them.

Yes. Like, ooh, look at you with your ugly, nasty self. You said that. Those are your exact words. I didn't make this up. Yeah, but I ain't paying for it, though. Well, I mean, the money to him is nothing. It's not about how much the money is.

It's the experience. Yeah, I don't know. I might have said that, yeah. I don't know. I might have said that. And I also, I don't want to put this on him, but other men with money, not him for law purposes. Poor people are less likely to file complaints if you are too rough with them or too disrespectful with them.

They're less likely to file complaints. But isn't that the point of like those super high-end, they sound like they're professionals. They sound paperwork like they can never yell. That's the point. Yo, who you owe money to? No, hold on. Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Hold on. De Maris just jumped. Yo, who are you running from, yo? Like the way you just jump, what you go? Get them niggas day money back. You ran off on a plug or something. You thought they was coming to get you. What's up with you? I'm sorry.

I heard a voice of my ear. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yo, you got to get some, yo. Low sleep. Stay out of them streets, man. Stay out to get them niggas day money back. My point was it's different when someone is, you know, you know someone is okay with what you're

doing. it's not the same thrill as if you feel like you're violating someone's boundaries and I'll put it like that. Not putting that on him, just. DeMaris, if you worth $8 billion, there's plenty of, you have a plethora of women that will let you violate and disrespecting them. But let you're, I think you're missing a point. Yeah, the same thing with the $100,000. She would have to let him violate them. She would have to let him do that.

He's suggesting that he's running a muck in these trailer parks and like. I'm not suggesting. that I was talking about in general, people in general. I don't want to put nastiness on anybody. He just had cash on him and he wanted to go somewhere and just get one off. You know how far that nigga had to drive to get to the trailer park more? Probably not far. Where the fuck does he live?

East Palestine, Ohio. I've never even know that was a town. Is that even on a map? He's trying to go. That's his version of digging in the crates. He was trying to find a sample. He was trying to find the soul samples. But he, he going to the essence.

Jamal. That's what he was doing. That is sick, bro. You think he drove himself? Definitely. Oh, yeah. You're not going to pull up in no black truck to the trailer park. What car do you pull out when you have $8 million that you just got on those?

Just go get a Volkswagen or something. Like an old Volkswagen. Go beat off. Do that too. You know how many steps that is? Let me go find a Volkswagen. That always, that always, that saves so much truck. He won't have from a bitch with dirty feet.

Like when she on her knees and you see her little, her souls in the back, they dirty. That's crazy. He don't even live in Ohio. He was getting it in Ohio. He was definitely getting in. He was listening to camera. Oh, coming from the Bay Area. He was going in Youngstown.

Oh, yeah. A lot of poor whites in Youngstown. Oh, he probably was going to see his original Bay mother. He may get an abortion in high school. And actually lives in a trailer park? A lot of poor whites. I should write a book. That's a sick news.

Is he self-made? I think it's a, I think, doesn't, I think. His family owned. Own Youngstown? Own the town? He's Mr. Young. Yeah, he's Mr. Young. He put the Young in Youngstown.

Because I was going to say, if he's self-made and, like, he caught, like, one of those tech licks or whatever, he still has that poor white in him. Yeah, they own. They own the Niners. Oh, never mind. He's been rich ones. I thought maybe he was, like, a dirty white at heart. He owed.

Oh, so he even used to, you know what I'm saying, like high-end shit in his whole life. He want to try something different. It's like when these niggas was raised in the suburbs, they want to go gang bang. Like they want something. It's the same thing. Yeah. That's him being jumped in a sexo right there. Yeah.

That's crazy. Your grandfather buying the Niners in the 70s. You've been rich your whole life. You get caught in East Palestine, Ohio, trying to buy sex for $140. I would disown you. That couldn't have been his first time because how they caught him. That's definitely not his first time. That's just like going to get the morning paper.

Yeah, it has to be. But imagine if that was your first time and that's how it ended. That's just going to get the morning paper. and coffee. Yo, I'm going to go to the Equinox, and I go over to East Palestine Road and get a little, you know, a little, you know, jerky jerky job. And come back home and, you know, that's his little,

this is little, that's what he do. He wanted to see if they were eating the cats. Oh, he responded to an undercover online ad. Oh, he's an idiot. Yo, what? They don't. I just feel like if you have that much money. They come to you.

What is he doing? But not the dirty bitches with dirty feet. They're not coming to him. They don't know where to find him. You're just stupid. He's just dumb. Get caught up and then you just... Park at a gas station in one of those dirty, four white towns in Ohio.

I'm sure you could find him. When you are worth $8 billion, sex is so easy to get. It is too easy to get when you worth $8 billion. Sex? this niggas worth $8 that can get sex easy 8 billion and you got to travel to East Palestine

and get caught up in a sting Yo, he's just dumb He's cheap though You just dumb He showed up It's $140 that girl charged He showed up with a hundred Not even

He showed up with a $50? Like $20 $20? Oh no He's stupid 160 cash He's stupid He's stupid

He's just dumb Going to the ATM when you were of $8 billion and taking out 160 cash. He took out 200 and he put 40 in the tank. So there was no, no trail? Yeah. He took out $200 cash.

It was probably like a $2, $3 charge. Yeah. For the debit, because he did it at a dirty ATM. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't do that shit at his bank. He took $200 cash out. It took $200 out. Yeah, that's probably what it was.

Yeah. He put $40 in the tank to get him there and back. He was going to give out that $160. 9 o'clock in the morning is crazy. Buying sex at 9 in the morning. It's the wildest shit in the world. Just be off. 9 a.m. you buying sex?

You been thinking about that shit all night. He got a problem. He'd been thinking about that shit all night. He set it up. He wanted to be the first customer. What he probably did was he probably spoke to. He said that's smart. He probably spoke to her the night before online and was like,

I had to get there early and, you know, get back. For the line, start. You don't know that. You could be at the end of the line. And 9.m. Her ship could end at 10 a.m. Yeah. Like, she could have been working at the pyramid all night.

You could definitely be, you could definitely be last in line at 9 a.m. You could definitely be the last in. She clocked in it too. Yeah. She worked a double. What if she did a double? Two to two.

She's the graveyard. Yeah, she's the graveyard. Yeah. Here you come. Thank you. You fresh out. There's miles on that thing. She's smelling like monoxinal.

What's the shit they put in the condos? Monaxonal. You know, I don't, pizos. Smelling like that. Come on, you, you like, oh, you used spermicide before? Have I used sperm?

Where do you get spermicide from? I don't know. It's in the condom, isn't it? Like, you can buy like a bottle of spermicide? Yeah. I never knew that. Let's use a condo. Buying spermicide?

Yeah, you don't even put spermicide in the condom. It's supposed to go into vagina, if I'm not mistaken. In her? Yeah. I've never done that. Like, you put it on a little sponge. That's why I got, that's why he took a buck 60 off instead of a buck 40.

I've never done that. I'm just putting a condo board. I'm not squirting. No, my, sorry. I'm not doing that. I'm going to just put this condomar. We're going, I'm going to get out of here. You ever use a dental dam?

Never. Okay. If I got to use dental dam, I don't need to be, I don't need to be doing this. I'm just going ahead and go home. I got to put saran wrap on your coochie to lick it. What are we doing here? Wasting each other's time. I'm out.

I was just wondering, because I always felt like those, like, methods were, like, older people thing, like. I'm not that old. You've never seen Dental Dam in my life? Never been in the store, like, trying to find Lysol. I'm like, oh, it's a Dental Dam. I've never seen, never seen Dental Dam. Never had some, a woman pull out Dental Dam for me to use it.

Like, I'm never done. Have you, have a guy, has a guy ever used Dental Dam with you? No. No, sweetheart. Yeah, I really think that was like, I mean, the only woman in the room, I got to ask. It's some old, the reason why I ask them is because I'm not saying you've done it, but like maybe you've heard of it because it is an older people thing. like that's an older people thing

I doubt they even teach about that shit in sex class sex ed anymore they don't have sex ed no more they still have sex ed no more sex ed is not a part of the curriculum in high schools anymore really? Sex ed?

He just loved high school yeah it's still in schools I thought they've been to that after school this is his senior summer we had it in like middle school too actually we had it every like we watched sex ed and then

I thought they took sex ed out of school. No, it's not mandated, but it's still, it's still in the schools, but it's just not mandated anymore. It's up to the school. Oh, yeah. Because I know, they took, like, my high school like that, we didn't have that shit after like, one year that shit was like, because I think it was

because so many, so many young girls started getting pregnant. I think once they implemented sex ed. It was like, no one's practicing safe sex. Yeah, like. Why bother? Why put the tax dollars? I think it was like a crazy, like, rise in teenage pregnancy. Well, no, after it was, it like replaced, uh,

PE, gym for like a time. But you don't, but it wasn't like, you definitely don't need to replace gym with sex ed. No what I'm saying. It wasn't like my senior year, we weren't in sex ed. It was like freshman or sophomore year or something. Teach you early,

get you in there early? Well, we watched a purity movie when I was in like fifth or sixth grade, I want to say. The what? Just leave it. We'll be right back from word from our sponsor. Mall, you know me and DeMaris.

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well we did but only under like at BET yeah we're at BETT you're really all in your superstar shit Maine in America was on a superstar shit he wanted to come in our little last trailer yeah that's not true at all it was hot as fuck over there by the way

they tried to kill us at Made of America that is a fact by the way it was the hottest summer I had ever experienced but I'm from Georgia that shit was hot as it also I decided to wear like a full like all leather it was dead

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Dixon in the building yes sir I don't do this I won't y'all to know I only do the short interviews yes but this is this is scary but so remember when

Ron Brow's called himself Etherboy like that was his thing yeah I was like coming up with like maybe some nicknames for Dixon Mr. Virgo's groove or Mr. Folded could maybe be your thing. Okay. Okay. We'll workshop it.

Yeah, we'll work on that. Mr. Folded is crazy. I don't know if I like that one. I'm not going to lie. I mean, but those are two huge records that you co-wrote on that I feel like it worked for Ron Browns with Etherboy. Ether boy is good. Ether boy is. No, Mr. Fold is.

No, Mr. Fold is don't ring the same. I don't know. We'll find that. We'll find that in their prediction. We'll figure it out. But you are currently on the road with Kaylani. Yes. Damaris and Roe told me they went to the show.

Yes. You did amazing. I couldn't get them on the riser. I didn't have enough motion. I fell back the whole night. Why are you telling people? I couldn't do it. I got to say it because I was thinking to my head.

I was like, damn, I should have let David get y'all tickets instead of me. Yeah, what David was doing? What Ali was doing, man? No, I was, first of all, David always looks out. It had nothing to do with that. I got them VIP. I just want y'all to know I got them VIP to secure. was crazy in Barclay for no reason.

Cardi B was performing. Oh, that was the reason. Her popping out to the show, everything kind of locked down like the president was in the Barclay. Yo, it was crazy. Yeah, so everything was fine. We had the passes to get on the riser

and right when we were about to walk on. No one was up there, by the way. They were like, we literally just changed the passes and that was right when Carrey B came in the building. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she was performing and her family and stuff was there. So, yeah.

Everybody was there. So the riser was technically Like when she got there I guess it was like designated for her Then Which I mean I was fine D' Maris you know She's a little more

Needy than I try to treat my people right y'all I really did I got the VIP badge that I thought I did I think I told security early I was like sometimes it goes like that Yeah, so good No we were backstage we got I've been kicked off of I got kicked off of Jay's riser and I'm like

You got kicked off the Jay's riser too That's true I was like that's odd By JZ Oh you got kicked off by him I got kicked off by some random chick I didn't know Like I feel like your Jay would have saw me

It would have been okay But no You getting kicked off a risa is crazy It was great though It was great I stood in Jen Pop for a second And then they let me back on the riso Oh man

That's why I don't go to these places Yeah Well Oh shit How is the Kailani tour been Opening up and also You are on her set as well And I really loved your opening set.

Thank you, man. Congrats. Have we seen Dixon since the Grammy? Not since the Grammy? Well, Roy has. Yeah. I haven't been in New York since then. Congrats.

Phenomenal record folded. Thank you, man. Mr. Folded. Mr. Folded. Mr. Folded. Apparently. Mr. Folding. How did that record come together?

You know what's, I've never even asked you that like on off the mic friendship before. It's so funny on the day of the Grammys, I called Kaylani. And I was like, yo, can you please walk me through how we did this? because I forgot, to be honest. Like, the story goes, it was my last day smoking weed. Okay. Like, I quit smoking weed literally the day I wrote folded. I did get very high the day I wrote folded.

But then that would, you know, explain why I didn't remember what we did that day. So, Kealani was like, I was gone. We were there to work with Bryson. So we were in Miami to work with Bryson, homie. And we were making records for a couple days. and then Bryson was getting ready to go on tour. And Kealani was like, I'm kind of vibing in Miami. Like, we should just stay in Miami.

So we got like a little studio house. First day. That's the first thing we did. Would you actually folding something when you thought about it? No, it was three of us. It was me, Kealani and our homie Kamal. And we were talking about like the way relationships end. And everybody had a different perspective.

So if you listen to the song, it's like, it's really like multi-perspective on how like you either want to make up with somebody. They want to throw their shit out the window or like, you know, you want to like send the bat signal to see if they're going to go for it and like pull up to the crib. So we were just having like a friend conversation and the beat was brought into the room. And we just started singing melodies and like we wrote it that day. And then I forgot about it. So on the day of the Graham's, I was like, just in case somebody asked me what the fuck happened. I need to know. I need to know.

And she's like, I got the video. So she. Oh, fire. Yeah. She showed. Luckily her BTS was recording. So I did right fold it. there's a lot of discrepancy.

Just so if y'all clear, I did writing. I did. I was there. I wrote things. I sang melodies. My mind was sort of there. Yeah, yeah. It was gone.

But that was the last day I smoked weed. I remember, I think I called Antoinette. And I was like, yo, I think I did it. I think I got high. I think that's where we end this. Because like if I got any higher, I might not. Did you know, like, once Kaylani laid it, did you know, like, oh, this is a. No.

To be real. But you don't, but you don't have like, Because you sat in a session and heard songs and was like, oh, this is dope. Yeah. But like you never really know what it's going to do. Listen, I'm an open book. I'm so honest about my career.

Like, I think when we were making Foldit, I was at a place where I was, I go through this like every couple years where I'm like, do I really want to do this shit? I got so many other things that I can do and I'm capable of them. Just like, and I think I was there. I was like, I don't know.

Like, I'm participating because Kaylani is like my sister and like whenever she needs me, I pull up. but I personally I was at a place where I was not sure if I wanted to keep doing this. Okay. So I didn't know and I was just hopeful that what I was doing in that room was working. Like I'm so I'm not one of these like super producers, super songwriters that like be banging on his chest every time he makes something. Yeah. Standing on the fucking console and like acting like I made ether.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like I really, I'm a human being and like all these songs really come from a real place. and that's the place I was in I don't know if I want to do this shit and we were riding around in Miami like we made that song we put it away

we made other songs that day we're riding around in the car we listened to the songs we made that one always kind of stood out to the people in the car I'm just quiet in the car okay but everybody else like

yeah you gotta run it back you gotta run it back and she put a snippet out while we were in Miami I think damn near like the day we made it and we got back to the studio I think it had like some

like 10 million views I'm stupid. Yeah, that folded snippet was. And I was like, okay, maybe. Yeah, this might be. Then I started calling people like this. I called my manager like, hey, wait a minute. Yeah.

We might have one, you know. And we were honestly there, like, not trying to make an album, not trying to do anything. We would really like chilling. Kalani had just kind of came out recently. Like, first off, this lady puts me to work a lot. Like, we had just dropped an album crash that she toured the world on. And then she dropped a mixtape before she went on that.

that tour that I worked on. And so I was like, we are, we're albumed out. Like, you know, if we're making music as friends, it's cool. But like, she hadn't really planned. I think Folded was what kind of started the process. And shout out to Chris Riddick-Times, who was like the executive producer of the album. He kind of knew when to put the foot on the gas too and was like, all right, we about to lock in on this album.

Because Folded, that snippet kind of changed all of our lives overnight. Do you prefer writing when it's nothing like, like how you just said, y'all literally just chilling. Kalani just like, yo, I'm kind of feeling the vibe in my name right now. Let's just stay. Do you prefer writing under those circumstances

versus like, yo, we have to get this album done. It just feels like it's a little bit more pressure. It depends on the artist. Okay. Like, there are certain artists who kind of thrive under, like, that pressure cooker.

Like, I'll say, when we made pure honey for Beyonce, I was, again, in another space in my career, I was like, all right. I'm cool. Like, I just signed my publishing deal. Like, money was cool.

Yeah. So I was like, I don't need to do anything. But then I got the call that was like, yo, we still need some records. And can you pull up? And I had been like cold for like three months. Like no, I hadn't written anything, had made no beats, nothing. And I'm driving in my car. And I'm like, all right, I guess we're going to do this.

So I'm in traffic in LA. I'm late to the session. Late to Beyonce session. I was late because of traffic. And I was, I communicated because I'm usually not late. to a Beyonce session. But LA traffic was crazy that day. I'm nervous now because I'm late.

And I walk in the studio. I didn't even, I don't even think I waved at anybody. I was like, just played a beat and walked in the booth and wrote that record. Like, just freestyle too. Like, I listened to the demo not too long ago

and I was like, damn, I really just went in there and said all this bullshit on the record. And they said, okay. And they was like, we'll take you. And another one too, like, Douchy, I remember she called about

Girl Get Up. Yeah. With scissors. And I was, this, this gonna sound like a flex. I promise y'all. A flex a little bit.

Fuck it. Yeah, it's fine. So we were in Miami again with Farrell, who was a mentor of mine. I used to work for his company. I am mother. And he was my coach on the voice.

Like, I've known for Jarrell over a decade. And we're on his yacht in Miami recording for Kalani. Light shit. Light work, you know. I'm trying to broker the Louis deal. Yeah. Light shit.

Like shit. And Don't she calls like, y'all, I'm still trying to figure out this record. And I had heard demo versions of the record before, but it was like pressure time. Like she was trying to drop like basically that night from what I remember. And I like did my little one-two. I got in the corner over there on the yacht and like did my one-two send it back.

And it worked. Like so for me, I'm really in service to the records. And the artist that I work with know that like I am the person that you can call that's like that cares. Like I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to. to like hit niggas over the head. I'm not trying to like beat all some diva shit. It's like I really care. I'm kind of a gatekeeper, which is why I don't do a lot of interviews. I like being Batman. We just spoke about the gatekeeping got a negative connotation. No, it's got to come back. I think that it's necessary. We got to run it back. Yeah. It's like, I don't know,

especially for black music. Like I also love writing in the pop space and like I've been dabbling in the K-pop space and like all that shit. But for black music, I hold it so close to my chest. because it is legitimately the sum total of my identity. Like, I wouldn't be where I am in my career, who I am as a man, if my mom and dad weren't playing me records around the house. So I'm really holding that particular genre close to the chest. Like, you know, everything else is nice. I like to write folk music.

I like to do the experimental shit. You know, I'm working with like fashion brands and shit now, like trying to do runway music and score and shit. but black music, R&B, hip hop. I love the rap. People don't know that, but like, I love writing rap. It's like, it's so much fucking fun. Like, because I don't really get to pop shit in an R&B record unless I'm writing

for like one of the guys. Yeah. But like, oh, my God, if a girl calls and it's like, I need a bar or I'm just like, it's so much fun for me. Like, I send bars like via text to my rapper friends. Okay. Like, randomly, unsolicited. Like, they don't even have to ask.

I'm just like, if I think of something, I'm like, yo. Yo, Dixon, what you doing? literally funny you ass one of you that's me that because I love funny you ass money you're fast like yo I didn't even traffic past yeah that's me

and I'm from Atlanta too so like I kind of got that hip hop shit like honestly my older cousin like we grew up at so so deaf he was around for a lot of that shit like he was managed by scooter for a long time so yeah I grew up in it you know so yeah that's

it's no pressure really to write a song. But you can't say that. There's pressure right. You're in a session with Beyonce and she needs, she needs something. I think the reason,

why people call me is because I kind of approach it that way. But no pressure. Yeah. I really... I can understand that. Yeah. Like, I go deep.

I ask a lot of questions. I'm like, I'm a conversationalist. I like to talk to people kind of figure out where their head is. Like, I really try not to put pressure on it. Because I feel like the moments where I did that in my career,

it just didn't like, it didn't work for me. your resume is solidified and everyone knows, even if this doesn't hit now, it's not like we're not calling him again. It's just something didn't work out that day. I think even before that, like,

even, I think I'm so great, I tell people this story all the time. Like, I'm so grateful that I was so green and got the biggest opportunities of my life. Because I didn't go into it, like,

with a bunch of preconceived notions. Like, I was on tour with Vic Menta. I meet Chance the rapper. He sees me as like, yo, I'm working on an album where you move to Chicago and work on it. And I'm like, sure.

Right. It was like those are my first big placements. Like, you know, the Farrell shit early on with I Am Mother, like, these people handed me a gap campaign. And I didn't even know what that meant. I had to do the budgets. I had to do all. I had to learn in real time. But I think because I went into those situations with no preconceived notions, I was free to create.

Even with Beyonce, like my first placement with Beyonce was for the King Richard movie, Be alive. Yeah. I, it's super high stakes. I don't even think I knew at the time how big the stakes were, but like they were talking Oscar conversations, like all that stuff. We got nominated for an Oscar, but like, performance was insane. Performance was crazy. It was so much at stake, like, as far as press, it was her first time back after a while.

And me, I just go in the room and I'm just like, well, here's a song. I played it for J&B. I was like, y'all want to hear anything else? Jay is like, when you play some shit like that, you don't play nothing else after that. And I'm like, I'm not even knowing how. Play that and you shut up. Yeah. Like, I'm not even knowing how this conference.

Right, right. So I try to keep that approach. I also want this shit to be fun. Like the moment this is not fun for me, y'all is going to be doing something else. But like, I'm not about to put that much pressure on myself. I love this shit. I'm really good at it.

I play 11 instruments. Like, yo, I mean, this supposed to be my life. Right. At a certain point, just got to settle into it and not make it such a big high stakes thing. Yeah. Did you, did you teach? yourself how to play instruments or did you take like classes?

I'm pretty self-taught. I started piano lessons when I was really, really young. Okay. And then my piano teacher passed away, unfortunately. And so I was like, I'm gonna just teach myself. I felt like I had enough information. My dad was a pastor. So we had all the instruments at the church.

So any free time I had, I just spent there. My parents made a lot of investments in me. Like, we didn't grow up wealthy. My dad was a pastor and had a construction company. My mom was a teacher. but I lived at the pawn shop. Oh, okay. I would pick up any instrument I saw and be like, yo, I'm a learn this.

It was like a keyboard that I never seen before. I just begged for it, do some extra chores. Yeah. Learn it. I got my first MPC at a pawn shop. I didn't know shit about an MPC. Everybody had moved on. Like, they were on computers.

I'm still in my basement because I couldn't afford a computer with my MPC, like, trying to figure out how to record myself and, like, record samples. So, yeah, I, you know, I'm pretty self. taught. I have voice lessons in college. Luckily, I got like a music scholarship on top of my academic scholarship. And yeah, I took full advantage. I took

every lesson I could. And like grab. You're doing exactly what you were supposed to be doing. Yo. And honestly, so many times in my life where I question it, I just think back like maybe two years before that. And I'm like, damn, I was questioning it two years ago. And I'm still doing this. And I'm still

doing that. I do have a plan, though. I do have a plan. Like, once I'm 40 and we got a while before that time, but once I'm 40, I'm out. You don't know. No, I'm serious, bro. I just don't want to be, I don't want to be the nigger hating on his kids. And I see it a lot now. Okay.

I can understand that. I see it a lot with a lot of my heroes too. And I'm like, you have to be out at 40. Yeah. If I, if I'm not out at 40, I will be hard to find. Like, it'll be one of us. Like, just wrote a record that Beyonce put out. I know, weeks ago.

I know. And Beyonce is in her 40s and doing just fine. But she's also Beyonce. You know what I'm saying? Like now, granted, if I'm hitting Beyonce numbers by the time I'm 40, you think I'm going to stop? Yeah, you don't take your foot off. Yeah, you don't, you got to keep keep going. But like, like, my heroes are like Raphael Cedique.

Like, if you got Raphael's number, you can find him. Right. You know what I'm saying? If you know where his studio is, you can go over there and work. Right. Like, even Dion, no ID. Like, he's him. Yeah.

Still, to this day, but like, you got to know how to get to them. Yeah. And I admire that because they also get to live their lives. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they don't be in the press sounding like a hating ass niggas. Yeah.

And that I can't do. I'm too fucking cool for that. Like, I'm sorry. I'm never going to look lame like hating on me. I can't do it, y'all. And I want to get specific, but I know, I know y'all. It's a hell fucking. You just hate the music.

You just don't want to say it out loud. Yo, it's not even that. I don't hate the music. I love. I love the music. I love to see people innovate. I love because that was me, yo. Just so y'all know, and anybody who out here who make music,

I was always the person who had the left of center idea. And then eventually it became the central idea. So like I remember when I started working for real, it was a dream of mine because I was like, finally somebody who gets my weird-ass ideas and melodies. And he was like double down on that shit. And so I did. And then Beyonce happens.

Right. And now Kailani happens and now Dochi happens. And like, well, once Beyonce happens, everything else happens. It kind of moves center. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. And that's the Beyonce effect. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I'm always just having Microsoft on your resume. I'm always like, yo, fucking double down on your shit. Like if you got this sound that you're really trying to do all the research that you can, put in the man hours for it and double down. I mean, to your point on the 40 thing, I do get it. but kind of like how we're watching hip hop being the youngest genre. Right. Aging gracefully with certain artists where, as before, it was no country for old men.

Now I feel like we're watching our favorite artist age, Ho being one of them. Yeah. I think this generation of R&B is going to do the same. Like I obviously I don't know Kaylani that well and know what her goals are, but I could see Kaylani making music into her 50s. Oh, yeah. It'd be fine. But she's one of those, though.

She can do that. Like, she can do that. And it's still like be cool. Like that's who she is naturally. You know, I also feel like because I work with a lot of ladies, I kind of see that in the future for a lot of the people that I work with. Like I think Rhapsie is going to be making music for sure.

Forever. As she should. Doty should make music forever because there's so many layers to her shit that people haven't even seen just yet. But like, I don't know, man. I think I'm more frustrated with the people who have reached. that wonderful age where like they are an elder statesman but it sounds like they're just like hating on the younger generation i get it yeah and i'm worried that like you don't want to be that

i don't want to i think i think it's also just like an ego thing we can just keep we can have a therapy i think it's an ego thing my ego won't let me that's fine be out in the world that's what ego is healthy yeah that's what ego is healthy and and i believe in a healthy ego yeah yeah sure i mean in your line of work what you do you have to have a healthy ego man because the way i get told no even me I get told no every week literally from people that I expect to say yes right like every week it's like oh we don't know if we're gonna do that we don't know if we want to go in that direction or better

we're gonna put this record out and I sign paperwork and then the record doesn't come out like this is my yeah you know yeah I think that's the life of all great writers though yeah no oh my god the amount of records the amount of records the amount of features I'm shit with a Morning Dude that just came out from Beyonce like when did you guys do that record? Because it leaked. Damaris made sure that we knew

she put that on her vlog seven years ago. We were like, yo, my bad. Yeah, I'm like, I'm going to get fucking copyright strikes because this has been on my vlogs for years and now they want to release it. So it leaked and then they put it on DSPs a few weeks ago. I think it leaked right around the time I started working with B.

So I hadn't like worked on the record. So is that COVID time? Yeah, right around COVID time. I believe. And I could be wrong. Don't call me Parkwood. Don't kill me. Um, but I remember just having the beat, like Farrell's beat and being asked to write something new over it. Um, and I did. I mean, another one of those situations where I just like did a demo, gave it back to them, didn't ask no questions afterwards. Like with them, I, I think I have a good enough relationship with them now, whereas like, I trust them. What they got to. Yeah, if it's going to, if it's going to, if it's going to

come out is going to come out. I don't, I'm not one of those people like you'll never see Dixon's name in some kind of like dispute with them. Yeah. Because they've both J. Ambie have treated me so well. And like I'm so thankful for those relationships that I'm never going to put myself in a position to be out of the good graces. Yeah. When I work with them, they know that I'm going to pick up the phone. I'm going to go to work. I'm going to show up. I'm going to do my best. I'm going to best foot forward. I'm going to give them everything and let them do what they want with it. Like the remixes came out. I was so, I was so shocked to see the Shek West like flip. I was like a whole verse. Imagine waking up. And like a song you worked on, you have a whole verse. Like I'm more excited as the

the little kid, the fan who like ran the black album and into the ground by the way, who ran Blueprint 3. I know controversial for some people. But I love, I love Blueprint. I love 3. I love 3. three like haters the only one i really skip other than that i think that i think that was thank you i it's a classic jason yeah thank you bro i talked to dion about that too i've been trying to figure out what that that it should be in the whole intro conversation but it's the second right yo that shit thank you is one of the craziest beats i've ever heard in my life is there anybody that you haven't worked with yet that you're like i have to get in the session with them yeah there's that there's one at the top of my list everybody's

to me to say Rihanna, but I've submitted so many records to Rie that hopefully one day, the same situation is like hopefully one day it comes out. But Solange, I feel like me and Solange are really kindred Spears. We don't know each other. But when I listen to the music, it's so much of like the way I grew up. I'm from the South. Like so much of how I grew up, so much of my DNA is in that music. Like, it instantly speaks to me. And I'm like, I'm itching to work with her. I feel like we would take over the world together. That's dope. I can see that happen.

We need some more music. We need, first off, even if I don't work on it, just drop it. I know you got it. Like, just put something out. Yeah. We were talking about Farrell and T. Payne. Farrell had called T. Payne. And he said, T. Payne needs to start making music again to save R&B.

And I said, me personally, I think that R&B is in a way better space. I would love for Farrell to start producing more hip-hop rap to save. rap in my opinion my humble opinion i think i'm on the other side of that i think i want p to do more rnb i feel i'm not mad at that i want tim to do more rnb i would love for tim to do anything other than what he's doing and he's my favorite producer like him and ferell are like they're one and two on the rush more for me um but i think p and r and b is like that's i mean listen at more than do it's like we don't have anything that has those chords, those major sevens, those, like, any of that, like we don't have any of that in R&B right now.

It's either going really, really traditional or really, really alternative. And I like both, but I think P and R&B is missing. I'm liking what P is doing in hip-hop. That T-I record is crazy. It's great. It's crazy. It's crazy. I think we need, that's what I'm saying.

I'm never mad at getting Forel and R&B. I think Forel is, he might be underrated as a lot of, in the R&B production. Yo. But the 702 shit? Yeah. Stop, like, those,

that sound, it's just, you know. Yeah. But I think that, I feel like R&B is in a better space than rap. For sure.

So that's why I feel like we need more saving and hip-hop. We also need more rappers. Better rappers. Yeah, I want to say that. Because I will say this. There's,

there's like the splitting of the hairs in rap as far as who was like real lyricists or who are like, you know, gatekeeping. I would say like alternative artists. Like, you know,

there are a lot of artists who make really good records that aren't lyricists. And I think that's cool. Like, I'm a huge Travis Scott fan. I love his show. I love the sonics that he's doing,

but I wouldn't call him a lyricist, right? No, of course not. You know, but like we don't have yay right now, unfortunately. I love, I love his music.

He's a legend. He's three on the Rushmore for me. I would love to hear more. R&B, by the way, just an aside. Yeah. Like, that Tiana Taylor album is flawless. Mm-hmm. I don't care what anybody says.

It's flawless. Like, the shit he was doing for John Legend. My favorite John Legend. I know there's a... I mean, Get Lifted. Classic. You know, like, I would love to hear Kanye back in that headspace using samples to make R&B records cool. You know, like...

But yeah, I think we need more lyricists. more lyricists too that know how to make records because I think there's a lot of lyricists still like there's a lot of lyricists who are like getting their shit off and like doing the science and like all the shit

but like niggas who know how to make hooks right like music we don't have it we don't have it like well I stopped looking for that because I mean a lot of these rappers now they don't even out to talk let alone rap that is frustrating so if you listen to these dudes in interviews and a lot of them stream

and things like that you just listen to the way they speak Yeah, but you know what You don't have the educated You know, just pick up a book I still think Kodak Black knows how to make a record though I think Kodak Black And worry to tell you I think he's criminally under him

He's He knows how to make a record Like he is Of this generation Melodies Melodies fire I mean Don's how I hear y'all talk about Don all the time

He's out of here Like How much long before we see Don and Travis beefing though I think it's gonna happen I don't think it's gonna happen I don't think it's gonna happen Shit Let me tell you something by nigg

Yeah. Let me tell you somebody. Let me tell you something. If I sign you and you come up under me and then all of a sudden you take over, you hired it in me? I don't know, man. I'm just going off about just a lot of loyalty is black people. I get it.

I get it. But our history is black people and it's going to be trauma talking. No, they do. They do pit us against each other. Like the industry. I don't want to see it happen. Is Don't officially like with Cactus Jack of like, I never. I thought he was.

Yeah. I don't know. That was. And if he ain't no more. Valid point. Travis is a legend in his own part. Like he... No, for sure.

He's so good, man. If Don Toliver does get bigger than Travis, he shouldn't matter at that point. It shouldn't. But like we always speak, everybody ain't Louis Wayne. Everybody ain't going to be the hottest nigga in the world, sign somebody, and then they become the hottest, or you even step out the way and the loud of them become the hottest. That don't happen.

Travis is not yay in the way that when he got in the Kardashian family, it was like, let me be your equal on a fame level. Travis Ben with the Kardashian clan doesn't even, you don't even see him. Travis is low. Like, Travis's pretty low. He's around people that are way more famous than him and does not care to be.

I'm not saying. I'm talking shit, but I'm just saying that. Don is hot. Don't know. He's on fire right now. The album's so good, bro. But I told Roy when we saw him at Made in America that year when he went on before Bad Bunny.

No, we was all together. I was blown away. I was like, bro, there's no way Don Tolliver just did this set before top three biggest artists in the world. and held it down like that. Yo, it was two performances that weekend that had me stuck, and I knew it was about to go up for both of them.

It was Tyler and Don Tolliver. Yeah. I was like, that Don Tolliver said it was crazy. I mean, I already loved Victoria Monet. Oh, yeah, yeah. But that's, that's, that's. I was like, okay, she could do the big stages. Yeah, yeah.

And it's fine. Yeah, because that was before Jaguar too, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was the first one. It was right around that time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we went on.

there early to see Victoria. Yeah, me too. I wouldn't go miss that. I was standing out there right front and center. Yeah, we didn't have to work for like an hour and a half. Like, we had so much time and we were right in front of the things. When the fan hit her, I smelled it. She's special, man.

I performed that year too. And I was like trying to make sure my set wasn't nowhere near her so I could catch it. Yeah. Like she's. Let me get on early and get out of the way. Yeah, yeah. Well, I didn't have no choice. I was newly signed and new to the festival circuit.

Yeah. So they was going to put my ass at noon. They were sad enough. Yeah. No, on God. They were still hanging lights when I was performing. Not going to lie. First time, I mean,

half the speakers was up. They only had the left side. They walked in front of diction like, excuse me. On God, I'm not going to lie. The second night of tour on K. Kloni, there was a glitch with production. And they were definitely doing that during my set. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm on early.

I'm on 655. I'll be back, though. When I come back, I'm about the same y'all niggas under the table. There you go. Yeah. Before we ever did like a partnership with rock or, or Ducey or anything, we did do Made in America as, well, it was Ducey Palluza, but the ink wasn't dry. First off, I cannot talk about Ducey Palluza because why I was in there when this was a thing.

You've told me the stories. Yeah. They put us on the like, you know that stage that's by the lawn at noon. That was a time. They were like, hey, the gates aren't open yet. I'm like, well, we're late for our set time. He's like, nobody's here for you. There's no.

Ain't nobody going to see you all this? Yeah, right. Exactly. Exactly. Yo, Ducey Paloza, wow. Those are good. Which ones did you go to? Listen, dog, I'm not going to, I'm not going to incriminate myself out here. I appreciate.

I appreciate you being a great journalist. Let me incriminate more. Why do you think Beyonce drop more than do? That I don't. I know you don't know. Honestly. As someone that's been around her, obviously everything she does is strategic. I have no clue, man.

I think, you know, it's funny, everybody in my life are also Beyonce fans because she's the biggest artist in the world. And everybody wants to know why. And I'm like, you think I know you think, first of all, you think you think you're going to tell me. Like, they're not going to tell me why. But I don't know, man. I have this gut feeling that like she knows when we need her. Like. Not bad, man.

She is. Am I wrong? Like, I feel like, Gotham could use her right now. We could go down the list. Like, Renaissance, like, she knew. Back outside. She knew. Like, I don't know how she knows, but she knew.

Like, even with Cowboy Carter, she knew that, like, the industry needed a shaking. Like, and it did. It did exactly that. Like, I remember being at the Grammys when we got out of the year. And listen, the looks on some of these executives' faces, like, you know, like, it's hard to see that happen. And it needed to happen, you know. Because at the end of the day, I know we're beating the day of horsewood, but like, country music is ours anyway. All music is ours.

All of it. You know, so it's like, hey, it had to happen. Also, it had to happen. Also, an incredible album. Yeah, it's a great album. On top of everything. It's a great album, yo. So it's like, I feel like she has a feel.

I feel like Jay does too. But like, yeah. Like, because Jay don't, come on, y'all. Like, he don't got to bless us with nothing no one. Like, he gave us so many great albums. And it's like, but they feel it. I feel like they feel it. I don't know.

I mean, they'll confirm it or deny it. But I feel like they know when the world needs them. As like just my stand mentality, I think there's two different agendas with that. I think Jay is at a point now. He just raps when he wants to rap. Yeah. And I think he was inspired that day. It had some shit to say.

And then they, I'd said it was very similar to the Yankee Stadium shows of what. Adam, guru, everyone did it as putting like, bro, Jay was rapping on every different beat. Like, it was a DJ set. And that's kind of what the Morning Dew remix ended up to be. And I love that. So I think that's incredible.

But I think Beyonce putting that record on DSPs has a different strategic mentality. And it's what me and Demerra says Beyonce stands have argued about. Is Act 3 going to be rock or R&B? Listen. To me, I think this is her telling us I'm getting in my R&B bag in the next year.

I'll tell you one thing. If whatever bag she's in, I hope this phone ring. Like, I don't know. I hope I get a call. Right. Like, whatever she wants to do. I'm fine either way because she can do whatever she wants to do. Don't hurt yourself is incredible.

Exactly. If she wants to get in, don't hurt yourself for 15 records. Shoot, I care. Like, that's a rock. Yeah, come on, y'all. Like, she can do whatever she wants to do. once. It shouldn't even be a question of what, like, honestly, I know the fans are excited.

Like, and I love that. Like, my favorite thing to do is when a record that comes out that I worked on would be comes out, I get on Twitter. I'm rarely there. What, X or whatever the fuck. And I will tweet something and to watch the way the fans, like, are engaging, like, I'm going to answer any questions about anything. But, like, I think it's so cool that the fans are excited.

But also, this woman has a track record of being the greatest artist in the world. Like, we should just be cool with whatever she wants to do. Yeah. You know, like, it's going to be good. Whatever she does. Whatever she does. It's going to be amazing, whatever she does. Where do you have your, um, where do you have your Grammys in the crib?

Because I know if I had two Grammys, nigga, they had the front door. Was the last one delivered yet? Because I know it takes a while. Yeah. I got it. Yeah. As soon as you walk in, you're going to know what this is. Where is it right now?

Right now it's in my bedroom because I don't like for people to see it when they come in. I also have a studio in my crib in L.A. And if I ever have a session there, I don't want people like... It's not my thing to, like, put the Grammy on the console and like let niggas like bow down to it and shit.

Like, it's not my bag. You got to rub it for good luck. The real shit is like Trieta Apollo. The real shit is I struggled with wanting to keep it at all. Like, I wanted to keep it at all. wanted to just like give it to my mom like drop it all going like yeah like i just don't i don't build my ego with that kind of thing i would do it whether i got a trophy or not right um i'm very thankful and thank you to the recording academy uh but yeah ryan tether has his like in a bathroom

somewhere like at a certain point when you know you love it this much it's like the grammy is like the icing on the cake yeah it felt good for a couple weeks though to like walk into the crib i mean just She has to. And so I, but it took me a minute. Like, my girl can attest, dude. She'll tell you, like, I struggled with it. Like, just, I don't know, imposter syndrome or like not feeling like it's real. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, no, it's very real. Like, and this year, I'm like, Kealani's album is doing really well. So I'm hopeful that, you know, we get honored and recognize for it. And I'm also going for songwriter the year, hopefully. Hopefully I get honored that way. Because I feel like for the last two years I've had, I would say, I think, I've had the most diverse songwriter catalog of all my peers. And I mean, there's some very talented people in my orbit.

And, but like last year, I had album of the year for a country album. I had best country album. I had Dochi's album. I had, you know, Kailani's shit. Like I had flow R&B like UK R&B. Like I feel like I do a very diverse thing yearly. Because I just like when I'm obsessed with something, I had, I had, dive in.

I do the research. I do all the shit I'm supposed to do. And so this year, I'm going to go for it. I'm going to see if I... You care. Last year, I missed the deadline for songwriter the year. That's because I got ADHD and procrastinate. But, yeah, this year I didn't miss it.

In the midst of that, because I think you deserve that. Yeah. How do we get you to also focus on your incredible solo career? Class of it? I have a project. Just like, as your friend, the amount of music you've sent me that, Like, I would, what do we? I'm very focused on it now.

I know you are. I'm very focused on it now. A tour will do that for you. Of course. I did have a conversation with my label this morning. I'm signed a rock nation, by the way. We've been struggling trying to figure out, like, the timing or, like, how we really want to do this. I also care about the details.

I'm, like, super detail-oriented. You're an artist. I really am. Like, honestly, the songwriter thing, like, happened as I was being an artist. Like I signed to Jay and like I started to be in people's orbit. But I have a, I have two projects done now because we've had time to make two. And I'm ready to drop.

I'm like opening my set on Kalani's tour with a new record called Working that we're trying to like figure out how to get that out in the world. And like I have a project ready to go. Rory be listening to my shit. I see him when he y'all untitled listening. But yeah, I mean, it's great music. I'm hopeful that I'm able to drop. To be real, the music industry is in an interesting place.

Definitely. Sometimes, like, back to the whole conversation we were having about, like, rappers, I think labels are also struggling to figure out what to do with real artists right now. Because being a real artist requires some shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It requires some investment. It requires, you know, people fucking caring and not just checking off a box or looking at metrics or algorithms.

It's like, I know if you put a mic in front of me, I'm going to out sing everybody in the room. But that's not the only thing that goes into it. You know what I'm saying? Like we do need marketing dollars. We do need, you know, all of that. And I don't think that my label doesn't think that I'm talented. Right.

No, they definitely know your talent. Yeah. But I also think they want to like do it right too. And I want to do it right. It's my career. And like, honestly, the real truth of this shit is I got to pay it all back anyway. So you got to do it the right way. Yeah.

And, I mean, do you struggle with, writing for so many other people, obviously you know who you are as a person, but to present the world with your own music and picking those songs instead of certain songs being for other people, is that tough? Of how do I want to present myself to the world as Dixon as the artist rather than potential songwriter of the year or all the accolades that you have? It's not really that tough. I think there are very few artists in the world who have like 100% Dixon record that I just like gave to them. Yeah.

I tend to hold the Dixon records like very close to the chest because they're about me in my life. Sometimes they work out. Like I'll give you an example. I originally may be alive for Beyonce just on a whim one day. I didn't know what I was making it for. I left the room thinking like she's never going to fuck with this record. I'll probably end up doing it for myself.

But then they do. And then I find out what I was. actually there for because obviously they're not telling me anything. I'm just there to work. So I'm like, oh, maybe I'll come back the next day and write a thing for this thing that she's trying to do. But she fucked with that and we gave it to her. But I rarely give my records away unless it's to the right artist. Like, Kealani is one who has like a couple of records that I thought would be for me. And she heard them was like, I think I can make this for me. Dochi has one or two that I originally thought might have been for me, but then she takes him and does her brilliant thing with them.

So it's like, yeah, it's not difficult, man. I typically come in on assignment. So I'm not really coming. I rarely come in playing people like demos that are for me. Yeah. I typically stay in the demos for others folder. Yeah. Keep all that heat for you, man.

Man, that's what, y'all. I'm gonna give y'all some other shit. Y'all, what was it? What did Jay Tuck? Was it, uh, they gave, somebody gave bed to Jay Holiday. Was it Dream? No, uh, Jeremiah. Somebody, one of those records and I think the story is,

whoever the original songwriter was, it was told it. Didn't Jeremiah give Jay Holiday their record? I don't know who did that record. I thought Jay Holiday wrote that record. No. No, Dream. I knew it was. Okay, Dream wrote it.

So what I heard was that the story was it might have been Jay who said it. He initially sent it to Chris Brown. But I thought, oh, why not the Jeremiah? Right, right, right. It does feel like it could be a Jeremiah record. But now you hear the Ed is very dream. Oh, yeah, 100%. But I think somebody told Dream, don't ever give a record like that away again.

Like, and I heard that very young. I heard the story of that record very young. And I was like, I'm going to hold on to that. Like, I'm going to keep my folder to myself. and then leave a folder for everybody else. Right. Because I also need to just be able to pop up with some heat. Absolutely.

Like, I can't just like give it all away. But I mean, you want to know. People always ask for that folder. People always ask for the different. Because they know what's in there. Like, Dream has made so many records that to us, bed would have sounded incredible. To him, that was probably like another day.

Which is crazy. Which is crazy. Because imagine Dream singing that record. Yeah. Like it would have been, it would have been perfect. I mean, it was still a big record. Yeah. Smash, smash.

We all wanted to make them drums. Yeah. Like, we all wanted to make those fucking drums. Yeah. I mean, the dream is. Was that tricky? Tricky. Okay.

Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. Them two together, that's scary. That's like, that's, it's really scary. Yeah. It's really scary. That's all I was happy. This last album, Dream got back to that.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Got back to that song. Yeah. That was great. I love Dream. I'm from Atlanta. I'm super biased to Dream. No, Dream is, he's one of those.

Yeah. When we talk singer song, right? Yeah. And I know Dream Records that niggas don't know. Like most beautiful girl in the world, like, it's a skate record. It's like on some like Social Def All Stars type shit. And he's featured on it. Like we grew up with Dream regionally.

Yeah. Like the world got to see how brilliant Dream was. But like I was a kid listening to the trade records. You know, he was fired. I didn't know he did that. Yeah. He's featured on it. If you look it up on Spotify, it's like the Dream.

Yeah. It's crazy record. Who's your, this is going to be the most nerdy. top five questionable. Who is your favorite writer turned solo artist? By that I mean a dream, a neo, a Frank. Like who are your favorite songwriters, then became their own artist? Frank, for sure.

He's definitely in the top five. Songwriters who became artist. Weirdly enough, Marvin Gaye was writing for other people at Motown and found something special. I mean, I don't know if we consider him a solo artist, but like James, Farnleroy. I mean, I do. I do. But I mean, I wouldn't say he has like big commercial releases as a solo artist.

I think cocaine 80s, of course, was a bad. I mean, that's a whole other world. It was not James name. Yeah. That's been no idea and a few other writers. But like, that was such a prominent part of the blog era. Yeah. That was when Jenae, Frank, and him were defining what.

internet R&B was at the time. I agree. So yeah, yeah, James for sure. I'm trying to think of there's anybody else. Victoria Monet. Victoria, Monnet. Victoria. Yeah, they've got to be up there. Huge.

I'll say Kaylani, too. Kaylani started off as a songwriter, and I think everyone realized very quickly that she should be a superstar. Yeah. Neo. Neo got a, Neo. Neal's in there.

I mean, some of these go without saying, like, Neo's honestly one of the greatest success stories in the world. It's like, what the fuck. Without a doubt. Yeah. I think seven is great. Oh my God.

Seven is blanking. Seven. I mean, me and seven have records together. I love seven. Obviously, money long. I knew, I knew both versions of that artist. And I love both of those sounds. I love Priscilla Renee.

I love Money Long. I think she's so clever and funny, like, in her writing. Would her be? I guess that would, too. I mean, she was Gabby Wilson and then kind of right to... She wasn't right in for other people, to my knowledge. She might be now. Yeah.

I wouldn't know. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, that, that category tends to make... That's why I don't want you to like be like, yo, 40 is... Yeah. I mean, I guess Leon, too. That tends to be the greatest artists we have. Leon too.

Oh, Leon. Leon. Yeah, sure. That's easy. That's an easy lay up. Like, he's incredible. Wow. Esther Dean.

Oh, my God. It's so crazy. This list of people that is on the screen, so many of these people are like, are my friends and I work with. Actual list. Eric, I'm tweaking. Yeah, it's a lot of, it's a lot of us. It's a lot of us.

Lucky. Lucky was definitely there early. How did you feel about the, tank too. I mean, of course, Tank had his career, but like, not. Tank quietly was right. He was like, one of the first. Yeah.

You're like of this generation. Yeah. How did you feel about the verses? How did I feel about the verses? Joe and Donnell Jones. I'm just going to say I know Joe personally. It's a tough out. Like he's literally one of the best singers in the world.

Yeah. Like, and still sounds like the record. Like, I would imagine a lot of people of his class would have a tough day. For sure. For sure. I got nervous when he put a shiasty on before the show. I got a little nervous. You know, this is what, hey, back to my point.

Back to my point. The internet makes niggas do interesting. Because he literally could have just showed up. into two. More than one. He didn't have to sing. Y'all saw the verses. Like,

he damnity didn't have to sing. I love Donnell Jones. One of the first albums I ever had in my possession. But, like, Joe is legitimately one of the best singers on the planet. Yeah. Like, I would have a great catalog. With a great catalog. With hits.

I had an argument with my older cousin who I grew up at Social Death with about Joe's catalog before this versus. And I was like, yo, what I need you to do is getting your car. and just press play on Joe again and then we'll have this conversation after you get out the whip because yeah yeah I wish that I could take a journey through your mind

nigga are you serious yo I'd be mad when I hear certain RRV records and the way he did the run after yo yo yo this man is great take me to the subway I'll go down

yo fam fam what do we say I was in my bad I feel like I wrote that that's my bad that's how I feel when I listen to Joe I feel like I wrote this I might have told somebody that

yeah you see what I'm saying You see what I live in New York, I definitely pull that line on somebody. For sure, for sure. Oh, man. Well, Dixon, we really appreciate you coming through. Yes, man. Everything I said could be true. Could not be true.

One thing that is true, you're one of the most amazing songwriters, artists that we have, man. And we wish you nothing but continue success. Appreciate it. Keep kicking ass out there. And anytime you're in New York, you want to come by, you know. Pulling up, man. Come see the Kailani tour. I'm on at 655.

If you blink, you're going to miss me. But I'll come back. I'll come back later in the show. But I'm so happy to be here, man. Thank you all for having me. No, good seeing you, man. Good talking to you. We appreciate you pulling up.

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