New Rory & MAL - Episode 544 | Notorious Diapers

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

Happy Friday! The guys start by reacting to Daejon Love’s arrest video, where he is still dawning 49ers’ gear, before getting into the greatest scammer of all time, Elizabeth Holmes, and her new documentary by A24. “Entourage” director, Doug Ellin fires at Jake Paul, after Paul’s company wrote a new script of the show for a commercial, which leads to a debate over intellectual property, and remaking things that aren't yours. Aries Spears faces backlash over his comments about comedy legends, and Raven Simone questions the “blackness” of “That’s So Raven”. Generation Now CEO, Lake, and Kai Cash (who most notably took on the West Coast along with Joey Bada$$) stop by to kick it, and share their thoughts on Complex’s Top 100 Hottest Rappers Alive list, the state of hip hop, and Kai’s father being in Junior M.A.F.I.A., before discussing what’s next for both of them! Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-forever Go to https://baskandlatherco.com.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Free to love. Fam, he's in... Love is free. He's in the San Francisco 49ers fit when he got arrested. And it looks like some type of airport, right? With his Ryan... What's wrong with when money guy? Nothing. He's a fan.

Well, clearly we have 10,000 hours of tape that says otherwise. He's not just a fan, he's a player. I mean. That's commitment to the bit. You get arrested in the 49ers gear. because you know the helmet was in the back seat. For sure. Passengers seat.

He's on his way to practice, man. I know we've talked about this. You got to carry on equipment when you're playing NFL. So we don't have to stay on this at all, but I think he's going to be fine. If he leans into this shit, he'll probably do a couple months. It's just wire fraud. Yeah.

A couple months come home, do a podcast. If he leans into this shit, he could be a star for a year. Yeah. Why not? He could extend that 15 minutes of fame. He didn't harm anybody. Did he really harm anybody? What harm was-

$1.5 million in thievery? Yeah, look. I mean, you spread it out. It's not one person. It's spread out among, you know. Yeah, government was. It's just gross. That was his gross.

You think he paid taxes? It was his net. Does he strike you as someone that paid taxes? Free to love, man. Nah. Why you don't like him? It's just corny. Like, even getting arrested in the gear, it's just corny.

Like, he's starting to give me that type of fringe. That that nigga, I'm not, I'm not saying what he did is cool. Yeah, he's a corny thief. Him and they have, they both give me the ick, make me itch. I hate it. No, he's a corny thief 100%. But it is funny. Yeah, but y'all, we just spent all summer asking where the scamming ass nags at.

Love the record. Here he go. He right here at the airport with his scammer outfit on. Yeah. Like now we're like, nah, we don't like that. No, he's in his Batman cape. Yeah, he's in his uniform. That's his uniform.

That's just part of his thing, his bit. Am I saying it's cool? No, I'm not saying this cool. But I'm saying we can't be screaming where my scamming niggas at all summer. And then when the scamming nigga get caught, we be like, nah, he a clown. But see, this is different type of scammers because you see, this is when we were talking about there's no on amongst these. No, when we were breaking down lyrics yesterday.

Remember we were breaking down bad lyrics. And you kept saying what's the lyric that come after that? Because where are my scamming ass niggas at spending that money fast? Okay. Yeah, he was spending it. On women, no. On his own. You're supposed to be spending it on women.

No, you don't take money from women to spend on yourself. You're supposed to take money from large corporations. He probably had women that he was dating. He probably had women that he was dating that he was spending some of that money on. We don't know that yet. He was teaching them financial literacy. Yeah, I don't, I'm pretty sure. Did you not hear the video?

I'm pretty sure he's a heterosexual male. Which means he dates women. Does he see? So some of that money that he was getting from work because we see men do all this all the time. He had a little Asian boy that was. was underage. I don't know if he was heterosexual. What do you mean he had an Asian boy? His manager was a 14-year-old little Asian boy.

So what does that mean? No, if you go to when they started scamming, he was 14 years old. So what does that mean? Rory putting pedophilia on people. He took it too far. That's, to me, that's a little D.C. sniper shit that he had going on there. All right, now you trip me. But anyway, free to love, man. So I'm to say, man. We can't say where the scamming niggas at and the scamming nigga get caught. and be like, nah, he whacked

because he wasn't giving money to women because he was taking money. He was spending money on some women. He went to a strip club here and there. We go see some videos pop up of him throwing some singles in the strip club. I doubt it because even some of the stuff he had that wasn't fake and even the leases

that he wasn't paying back on cars, $1.5 million can only get you so far over that many years. I don't think he was spending a dollar on anything else but keeping up this lie. I think that investment went into the lie. You don't think he had no fun with that money? No.

Well, no, he had fun to rent a car until it got seized, like, until the people, because even certain car companies that weren't in on the bit were like, yeah, he'd pay us the upfront and then stop talking to us and we'd have to go get the car back. So yeah, he was just, he was robbing Peter to pay Paul. So scamming is only okay if the man is spending the money on women. A scamman is only okay if you're not stealing from women and telling them you're going to invest your money steal from large corporations that's the same thing with india iri when india iri was like why are we glorifying scamming and i'm like yo like why are we like take from the corporations they have it

they use a slave labor anyway if you want steal from the corporation steal from the corporations as long as you aren't hurting your people the everyday people fine and they get bailed out with insurance money so but is there any blame on the women though yeah for being that just gullible yeah sure but just because people are gullible no situation awareness just because people are gullible Or slow does not mean you should take advantage of them. No, I agree with that. But at some point you got to be like, yo, but you really thought because this nigga had a helmet on at the beach, he played for the 49? Yeah.

Well, some people aren't, some people don't have as much access to certain information or experiences. Certain information. Information or access, yeah. Common sense? Common sense isn't always so common, but you know that. Google was like telling people he played. Yeah, if you Googled him, it said that he played for the 49ers. So AI will pull from social media site.

Okay, so we back to common sense is what you're saying. But how is that common sense? I don't think that that's common sense for everybody. Asking Grock if a dude plays. They didn't ask Grock. They went and typed into Google. Google now automatically does AI for you, even if you don't ask for AI. Google does automatic AI for you.

It's the first thing it does, which is kind of annoying. Yes. So if you go and type some shit into Google, it looks like, yeah, I'll go. Google this, Google is saying he plays for the 49ers. That was his real criminal. Like, he really got that off. But I mean, not everybody knows enough to know that when you Google some shit, like, it's coming from AI.

A lot of people don't even know that. That's AI. That was the scheme. He knew if you fell for me walking around the regular streets with a helmet, then I can scam you. Now it's changed because of everything that's been happening. But before, when you Googled him, he came up as if he played for 49. And we talked about all this, but just that, that arrest video wasn't out until today.

And that shit is just funny. Getting arrested, like, in the uniform. It's kind of poetic. Like, it's kind of a beautiful ending to the Netflix series. You know, I know the new, whatever jailhouse they took him to, whatever hold and sell he in. If he gets four to nine, imagine that. You're stupid. There's so much poetic justice in all of this.

He's silly. Yeah. He's going to be fine, though. He's going to be more than fine, man. A little scam. Sorry. Y'all just showed me that creepy-ass documentary trailer. I mean, she was at a different level, but...

I cannot wait for that Elizabeth Holmes. Who's Elizabeth Holmes? Elizabeth Holmes is the founder of Theranos. Goat-scammer. Theranos, which was supposed to be a medical device that could, if I'm not mistaken, figure out what was wrong which were what ailment you had health-wise by just like a tiny prick of blood. Yeah.

So essentially, like, what takes years of blood work, kind of what I'm going to, like, through with hematology and trying to figure out what's wrong with me, she would just get this much amount of blood, and she set up damn near a vending machine. Like, you get your finger pricked at a vending machine, and then it'll shoot back years of science and tell you exactly what is wrong.

And she had every billionaire from San Francisco, London, everywhere, coming to this headquarters that wasn't real. and they did the fake prick at the vending machine and then she would do this tour of the whole campus so the actual scientists could do the real like the real thing to analyze the blood and she did the okey doke to a bunch of billionaires

they're going on an hour tour while scientists are doing what we already know and they come back and be like oh your results are here by the way and she made like $5 billion yeah $5 billion more $9 billion she made $9 billion doing it this? She got them to invest. $9 billion. It wasn't liquid

$9 billion in her pocket. Oh, okay. I'm about to be like what? She got them to invest in over $9 billion. Getting caught after the $9 billion. You should have cashed out at $1 billion. So she raised over $700 million. Her company was valued at $9 to $10 billion. That's correct. Even though the technology

did not work. He's in jail right now. I mean, I think about the biggest investors that we even know now. They were all in on this too. They all gave her money. Every big name you know about gave her money. Like she tricked everybody. So like she should be the one negotiating with Iran right now. This bitch is the goat. So she's in, she's in jail, correct? Yeah. Yeah, she's in jail. Ow. She's in jail right now.

Sorry, I hit my elbow on the mic stand. She's in jail right now, but before she went to jail, she gave a director the chance to, can you pull up the actual trailer, maybe the one that like moves? Oh, there is. Yeah, she told a director, allowed a director 35 days before she went to jail to follow her around. So this clip is going viral. Flip, play around? It's a clip from the trailer. From the top.

There's no. I'm not that person. I can promise you that. This is real, this isn't like a movie. I don't have anything to deceive you on. Of course, I'm not deceiving you. I'm engaging with you as a human being.

Why would I deceive you? There's no, there's no reason for me to do that. that. Okay. Okay, good shot. You're being real right now. Always being real. Someone impregnated her. Yeah, that isn't like a, like a actor. Like that is the actual human being that was going to jail in 35 days. That's the actual Elizabeth Holmes.

That's her? Did I see a script? Yes. Did I see a scripted series or a doc? I can't remember how I know about this. You saw a scripted series with Amanda C-fried. Yeah, which was a really good series. Is that Hulu or some shit? I think so. I mean, it was on Netflix. She looks fucking creepy.

Creepy as fuck. She got over on the biggest investors on Earth. She believes her own lie. She believes her own lie. Like, that's how insane. That's what makes her so insane. Because she will not stop with this lie. Like, she's in jail right now, and she still won't stop with the lie.

Look at this Lismol. The Abin-Hy. I'm family. Robert Kraft, the Cox family, Rupert Murdoch, the Walton family, Carlos Slim. Wow. That's Iceberg Slim's uncle. I mean, well, listen, man, salute to the scam, be. Fagget it until you make it.

I think, I mean, of course, D. Love is up there, but. Now, D. Love ain't on this level, though. Her, all right, compared to, what was the other girl? That was St. Anna. Yeah. She didn't get to this level like liquid cash, but Anna was up there. The fact that Anna had old boy from Firefest sleeping on her couch is like the Avengers living in the same apartment. Like that's so crazy that that really happened. Like you had that Fire Fest guy living on your couch. That's like Wu Tang. Like, damn, that's crazy that Ghost and Ray like really like live together as kids and did this. Like they're scammer Avengers. This is the one that was a. traveling the world and saying she was Yeah, she was like a royal family. I forgot.

I watched her. She was a German heiress. That's what it was, yeah. But hers was more like. She lives down. She looked not too far from her. I respected the Elizabeth chick a little bit more because Anna did it for clout. Yeah.

Like Anna did it to like hang at like Soul House on steroids. She in pocket nine billion. No, with Shorty, shorty having a company valued at nine billion and it's not even. It's not even. Real company, that's just nobody on that. Well, it technically was a real company. The technology just didn't work. Like, she really had employees.

Okay, she had an LLC. Okay. No, she really had a full functioning company. It was a small corporation. The technology just didn't work. She had a full functioning company lab, all of that shit. The technology just didn't work. It wasn't like some fake like, oh, yeah, you know, this ain't real.

I'm renting this space. Like, nah, she had a whole thing. It's just the technology. I mean, what she sent us to? Ten years. But de Maris, I think That money stashed some ways That was worth it.

No, because a lot of evaluation money isn't real liquid. It's not liquid. Yeah, yeah. But also, Demaris, I think the The debate with her is when she found out very early that that technology was not equipped

at the schedule that she was trying to do it at. And then she moved forward like it was. Yeah, like it was working. I'm not saying she didn't start out thinking, hey, let's try to change the world and do something good. But she found out,

very quickly that that wasn't happening in the time frame that she thought. But also a lot of the money that she took, if I'm not mistaken, was used into trying to make it work. She tried. No, she was literally trying. She tried. But nah, she went nuts. That tour was one of the funniest things I've ever heard about. Having the Murdox just tore your campus while they're analyzing blood. The same way that we all know how people analyze blood, just to throw you off. And nobody, out of some of the most, well, let me say the most brilliant minds. Some of the most conniving minds on earth. No one said, I thought I could get it right away.

No. Everyone pricked their fingers like, let's go see the cafeteria. No, no, no, I want to see my results. I just gave you 20 million. But, yeah. I mean, do you think, do you think AI is going to take away from people like this? That's false. Do we think, well, unless we're already on the scamming level of being in the 1%,

do you think the way certain people did with Palo Alto and the tech boom that did get their scammer shit off can now do it with AI? I feel like your car to get pulled too quick. So an extent, AI helped Dejaun. That's, to me, that's like peanuts. I'm not, I'm talking about on Elizabeth level. Not on some, I'm trying to get $10 from a chick from Instagram. Well, with this that was going on, how would AI have turned it in? Like, turned her.

I think with the amount of money that that list has put into AI, that's an easy check where AI would have figured that out before Elizabeth did. What do you mean? The amount of doctors now that are saying that, hey, AI is going to put us out of business is, I mean, kind of astronomical. The amount of doctors that talk about AI in the health fields in what it's doing right now. Like the amount of stuff that doctors spent 20. years learning about to get their doctorate, AI, you ask one question and it'll give you the

entire results. But I'm saying that times 10 with where AI is at, yeah, this is something they would have asked AI about. Not Elizabeth. Yeah, but the thing about AI is AI can only be taught will already exist. If you're creating something, AI won't know that AI can't talk about that because if you're creating technology, AI doesn't know that that technology exists, so it can't say, well, this is impossible. Because as time goes on, things will continue to be invented

that we will have to teach AI about. This is not a conspiracy or a movie trailer. AI is teaching itself just as much as we are teaching it. Yes, but AI will never replace human imagination. It can't replace human imagination. And I think... Somebody just come out and say,

AI is going to wipe out humanity? Yes One of A doctor He wasn't a doctor He was a tech guy From one of the major AI companies

Yeah I saw that That shit is up like a hundred million views Right now So Terminator is happening Yeah And that's why I'm saying That Elizabeth couldn't get this off In this era

Because AI is too smart Dajon love And Terminator is happening As we speak Project Blue Beam is happening Yeah I robot AI is teaching itself

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See you between the pages. But anyways, what do we have on our list of topics today? Oh, do you guys want to get into this entourage shit? What about it? I brought up... This was, yeah, okay. Last episode, Ari Gold and Vince Chase did. a Jake Paul

betting commercial more or less. And I was like that that writing is kind of shitty. I just didn't particularly care for it as an entourage fan. And I said, yeah, I really would have preferred if Doug Ellen wrote it because you could tell that it's not

it's not Ari. Even though it's Jeremy Piven acting like Ari, the dialogue is just not there. So he came out today and said Doug Ellen, who's the creator of entourage, he said it was a god awful,

cheap, shitty imitation many people work really hard to make our show as good as it was. When I see a cheap, shitty imitation that tries to pass for what we did, it makes me puke. I watch it and I want to throw up because I would suffer along with many people over every syllable, every fucking word. So I watch this trash, this shit and go, ugh, there's no bitterness. I want everyone to get paid, get rich. Just fucking do it with your own shit. That's all.

I not only wrote, we found these people, we cast these people. I actually had to beg Jeremy Pippman to do the show because he didn't want to do it. He didn't even want to talk about it afterwards. Like he wanted to get away from it because he had so much better shit going on. But now that he's back, now that he's back on it because he's getting paid. Now, I don't particularly care to talk about entourage like that because that's a niche audience. But I feel Doug Ellen with this with a lot of TV. I remember when Ashley Larry ended up on Avion Crockett show.

and I remember Neil Brennan and Donna Rawlings have like a fallout of that. Like that's my IP, that's my character. You can't just go out and do that with someone else writing a character that I created. That I understand it. And again, as an entourage fan, it came across cheap. And that's no disrespect to the Paul Brut. Like, get your money. I don't care.

But that is a show that was iconic to so many people. And to me, Ari Gold is one of the greatest TV characters ever. You can't just have. some gambling sites, writers write Ari Gold. You love Game of Thrones. Think of characters where that core writing team

doesn't write for that character and now they're in a commercial just doing shit. Yeah. And it feels very inauthentic. And as a fan, like, you were tripping out yesterday, you were really upset and we were telling you you were nerding out and teasing you. But I can completely understand, like, especially if you haven't seen a character

in years, when they come back, you're excited and it's like this ain't the character like this is a caricature yeah of the character in person that i love because i remember like when sopranos was popping i remember like paulie walnuts would do like super bowl commercials but they would always just do the italian shit where the guys would just stand there and just look italian like it wouldn't be they tried to make ari and vince like we were watching an episode and it was bad it was just bad it was nasty yeah yeah i don't blame i I don't blame the writer as a person who's obviously never written anything to that extent. But who has written and written characters?

And I would want them to act the way that I would want to be in charge if they're writing until the dad I die. Don't take my shit. It's the same thing is like if I die and you take my picture and put clouds behind it. Like don't go do shit I wouldn't approve of if I was alive. Like they could have called him. Maybe he would agree to it. Well, here's also the thing with entourage specifically, but to the broader point that we're making. entourage was kind of buried with the HBO Max and HBO Go thing

because when Max and Go like really hit streaming it was at the height of Me Too, woke, gotcha on everything. And entourage, no, there's nothing bad in entourage, but at that height, like if you, out of context, some of their jokes wouldn't have flown in this era. So Doug Ellen,

E from Atech and drama for Entourage had a huge podcast called Victory about the show. Like they break down each episode, they've had Jeremy Piven, they've had everyone on the show. It's an incredible podcast. And they get so many numbers

to the point that HBO has considered maybe a reboot because people, they're starting to realize how many people love Entourage. It was purposely buried. And then they did the movie with HBO that was also a nightmare.

And I only know this because I listen to their podcast. podcast. So now imagine you're battling with HBO and yes, you created these characters, but you don't own the IP. HBO technically does. And then you watch somebody you've been battling with after you gave them a movie. They won't do a reboot even though, and they're burying your show. And to find Entourage on Go is very hard. You have to type in the entire name to find it. That happens. And then you see HBO sell those characters to Jake Paul in them and have someone I was right it. I lose my fucking mind.

It's the same thing Chappelle did when he said, yo, boycott HBO when they tried to stream Chappelle show. And he said, I have a deal with Netflix. And he said the CEO Netflix at the time that he loved him so much because Netflix was streaming it and they took it down. They said, Chappelle's not cool with this.

We have a deal with him. I'm taking Chappelle show off Netflix. It will no longer stream. Even though Chappelle signed a shit. deal, admittedly, and Comedy Central could do whatever the fuck they want with that show, Netflix was ill enough to be like, no, no fucking way, are we going to stream this when we work with Chappelle and he doesn't like this? I didn't know that.

That's interesting. Yeah. I didn't know that. That's integrity. Shout out to Netflix show. Shout out to the game. It's not the redemption clip. It's on YouTube, though.

Chappelle did a whole, like, sit down about the entire thing when HBO started streaming it. It gave the whole, the whole history of. of when he brought Chappelle's show to HBO, and they said, why would we need you? We have Chris Rock. Yeah. And he was like, okay, well, fuck you too. And he said, now why do you need me?

Now why are you streaming my show that you turned down? You didn't want my show. And then Netflix also had a bid to get it and started streaming it the same day. And they took it down because Chappelle was like, this makes me feel uncomfortable. Yes, you have every legal right to do it. But why do it if we're in business?

And I feel like Doug Ellen didn't say that here, but I hear him. If y'all trying to figure out some type of reboot with entourage, why are you selling out the characters me, just me, no one else created? Yeah. To do a shitty Jake Paul ad. Yeah. I'd feel a fucking way. Sorry if I ranted for this whole time.

I mean, you're- You definitely ranted. You're an entourage fan, so it's okay. I get it. I get like that about Harry Potter. Well, it's not so much entourage, more just, you know. Creators. Because, yeah, it's a part.

It comes across. authentic the same way that people complained about the last two seasons of Game of Thrones and that's because the writers had to write past the book and past the books the books match the character arcs everything matched and then you get separate writers for the last two seasons everything goes to shit the characters don't seem the same and it's because they have different writers so that makes sense yeah apologies about right what do you think about erie spares what he said about um the comedians that were overrated um um Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But Ari Spears is going to run into some of the things that I've run into when you're opinionated and also have a past of doing the same things that your opinionated on. You can't call someone doing buffoonery and you have 20 years of doing buffoonery. And not only that, but go ahead. I'm sorry. For people who don't know, Ari Spears was on a. podcast with a couple of other comedians.

This is Tony Rock's podcast. Tony Rock's podcast. And they were talking about, you know, if he had an unpopular opinion, if he thought any comedians were overrated or whatever. And he brought up the first one he bought up was Bernie Mac. He said that he doesn't get the whole Bernie Mac thing. He said he doesn't even get the jokes because of the very shuck and jive kind of the way that Bernie Mac talks.

Well, he didn't say shuck and jive. He didn't say shuck and jive. I don't want to, but that's what he was alluding to. Like, it's very buffooner. How you did it? Shut up, ma'am. I get scared to you, motherfuckers. Yeah, like that.

He was like, what? That wasn't good? I didn't do good. I didn't do good as funny as fuck. I didn't do good? No. Oh, my God. But yeah, he was, he said he can't even get to the point of the jokes because he

can't listen through that voice. He feels the same way about Tracy Morgan. He said he feels like Martin was overrated. Martin and the Wayans brothers was overrated and that their sketch comedy wasn't very good. And I kind of understand what he's saying and what I'm realizing about the things that he's saying. Not with Bernie Mac, he tripping with that. But with the other people, as far as like the Martin show, because I've said before that

I thought Martin was a little bit overrated, is that he also doesn't like slapsic humor. And Martin had a lot of slapsic humor. And he bought up a lot of the situations that Martin would be in, like, fighting the squirrel and shit like that where it's like, he's like, I don't find this funny. All right. My thing, to start with Bernie, I wouldn't say that I'm like the biggest Bernie Max stand. stand-up fan. But at 36, the Bernie Mac show was like one of my favorite shows growing up.

Everything Bernie has done. Bernie's funny. Comedic acting is incredible. So to say like I don't understand the Bernie Mac. I guess maybe he was saying stand-up because he was imitating Bernie stand-up. Well, that's how Bernie talks. That's how Bernie talks. No, that's how he talked on his stand-up.

No, he talked like that. Listen up America was very clear. wasn't going, like, it was an extremely articulate show. He didn't sound like that and missed it 3,000. Like not,

no, but he did sound like that in players, he sounded like that in Players Club. Oh yeah, yeah, but that was the character. Yeah.

But Bernie is very much not that. Yeah, I can see. The only problem with this is the person saying it. Airy Spreez is not the person to say this. If Dave Chappelle said this, I don't think it would be as much.

But I don't, like you have to be at a certain level. Huh? Chappelle wouldn't say that. I'm just saying if Dave Chappelle was to say something. about legends, like it wouldn't be taken as offensive or as, you know, kind of like, whoa, like, it's just Ari Spears to most people is not on the level of a Bernie Mac or Martin Lawrence to speak about them or speak down on them. Now, Airy Spears can say whatever he wants.

He can have his opinion. I'm not, you know, anybody's entitled to their opinion. But if Dave Chappelle was like, you know, honestly, you know, I just didn't really, the Martin show like to me was, I didn't really, I didn't really, wasn't really into it like that. People would be like, oh shit, I didn't, I thought Dave would fuck with that show. But the, the backlash wouldn't be as, oh, that's fucked up. Because Dave Chappelle's a legend in his own right. He's a legend. He's one of the greatest comedians ever.

Aries Spears is not on that level of Martin or Bernie Mac to, you know, at least people feel that way about him. I feel like Chappelle would still get some backlash there because I don't. For sure. Because I don't think you get without like in living color and even Martin. I think Tony Rock made a great point about Martin. Like it went from sitcom and then sometimes it went into sketch. Like I don't think you get to the Chappelle show without having those steps like in Living Color and Martin to get to be able to push the envelope the way Chappelle did.

You have to have Martin before that. Yeah. So I think he'd still get flak, but I don't think Chappelle would ever say that. And I like Ari Spires a lot. I actually think he's an underrated comedian. but you can and as someone that liked mad TV like I generally liked mad TV I would sit and watch mad TV to the point at some point I thought mad TV was better than SNO you can't judge other sketch or sitcoms with some of the shit y'all was doing on on mad TV like you can't like you can't

do that no that's what I'm saying like with somebody like dave chapelle in his show in his career if he was to say some of these things, like I said, people would give some like, damn, whoa. And especially because Bernie Mac is no longer with us. Whenever you speak on the deceased, it's always going to be, you know, people that feel the way about you just doing that because Bernie's not here to respond to that. Yeah. But at least, you know, Dave is well accomplished in having his own show and, you know, having his stand-ups and legendary stand-ups and things like that. that to where, you know, people kind of would take Dave's words a little more like, okay, with Aries, it's like, watch your mouth.

Yeah. Like, who are you to talk about the late great Bernie Mac? Who are you to talk about Martin Lawrence? Like, not on their level. Do you guys think that he has a point? And to be fair, he didn't talk about Martin Lawrence as a comedian or as an actor. He talked about this show Martin in general. Yeah.

No, I don't think he is. I mean, if he feels that way, he feels that way. I mean, he's allowed to feel that way. Yeah, he's allowed to feel that way. Like, I'm not mad at him. That's not what I asked. The fact that I don't think that his accolades and his career warrant him saying that to most people, they probably feel like he doesn't warrant that.

Now, my question, my question is, do you think he has a point? He can feel however he want to feel you. I can't stop him from that. I thought Bernie Mac and Martin is probably my favorite, my favorite sitcom of all time. So, yeah, I don't agree that it was before. I mean, before you asked the question, I said Bernie, standard-wise was not, But Bernie Mac's show is not buffoonery to me whatsoever. Bernie is a comedic actor, a serious actor, being in serious movies, but being the funny

comic relief, Bernie is a fucking legend to me. The Bernie Mac show is great. Bernie Mac show is incredible. It is. Probably one of the most underrated sitcoms. I'm talking about Martin and the Wayans brothers. Two of my favorite sitcom, so I disagree. You disagree.

Okay. Thank you. I disagree. Oh, yeah, no, for sure. And I love Martin. All right, so the Wayans Brothers, I could only give the white perspective on it. Not what I think Ariz was trying to get across in that. But I do think there is a space for slapstick, scary movie, white chicks.

Like, that's still a genre of comedy. If it's not for you, I totally get it. But I wouldn't discredit what the younger Wayans brothers did. after they're two older brothers, if it's not for you, it's not for you. But to say that that's not a legendary comedy run, like don't drink juice in South Sundance, like all that shit is,

is legendary if you like that type of comedy. If you don't like it, cool. But you can't sit here and say that that slapstick shit has not been around forever. You know, they just, I think, like they just, they dominated that era of that type of comedy. Yeah.

And Aries has done scary movie S-type comedy a majority of his career. Aries is a way better stand-up comedian than both of the younger Wayans brothers, for sure. He can say that. But when it comes to the shit that you was doing on Mad TV, don't say the Wayne's brothers didn't do that better than you because they did. And not to say they didn't come from a family and probably had a step up because their oldest brother is one of the greatest that's ever lived. but yeah they have a generational run within cinema when it comes to slapstick sketch type comedy they do

man the wayansbrough is a it's a classic show man we're not yeah but i look at the movie show Bernie mac is a classic show like if you don't like it it's not your type of humor and comedy all good i know people that didn't like the chris rock show i think that's one of the greatest sitcoms ever but some people don't like it so I get it me personally if I watched reruns of Martin

I've watched probably every episode of Martin at least in my lifetime 20 times every single episode of Martin like that's just I'm gonna watch it you know what I'm saying like I grew up on that Martin's one of my favorite comedians

we got some iconic episodes in that comedy series we got great characters out of that series same with the Wayne's brothers with pops, you know, and the dining and all of that. Like that was part of, you know, you come on from school, you was looking forward to watching those shows. Like, so, I mean, Ari Spears can feel how he feels.

He's a comedian. He's probably looking for certain things in comedy that comedians should do and have that I can't really speak to. So, you know, again, his opinion is his opinion, but, you know, you can't take away from what the legends have done in the iconic shows that they created and built. Just because certain things that you think should be in comedy or comedian should have didn't exist in these shows. That doesn't mean that, you know.

And to be fair, they asked him a question. He answered it. That's who he felt like was a little. Yeah. He said, I don't get the whole Tracy Morgan thing. You know, I don't get, you know, the Bernie Mac thing. Like, okay. All right, back to similar to the birthday.

The last OG was dope. The last OG was dope to me. It's so good. The last OG is incredible. I'm mad they canceled it. And Tracy is just naturally funny. No, he's not a Chappelle-type style stand-up comedian, but why does every comedian have to be that?

Right. Now everything has to be super high-brow. Like, sometimes it's fucking hilarious when Tracy Morgan slaps his fucking stomach and puts his leg under and says, I lost my leg in Vietnam on a fucking late-night show. Like, this shit is fucking hilarious. Tracy Morgan is cinematically with movies.

Hilarious. You don't like a stand-up? All right. I get you. That's not his thing. He's on Ari's ass, though. Well, Eric, he also, let me say say fucked up, but as someone that's missed the mark in backlash

before, I'm not here to judge him. But his response video, he completely misunderstood why people were killing him. He was like, I didn't say anything disrespectful about them. Why is everyone mad? I'm not allowed to have an opinion. That's not what everyone's mad at.

No one thought he was being disrespectful to any of them or he shouldn't have an opinion. We're just saying you can't accuse people of doing something that you did your whole fucking career. That's what the backlash was. All right, cool. People may agree with you, Ariz, but you can't do this when there's a thousand hours of tape of you doing worse than everything you're accusing them of doing.

Yeah. But, and this is not me standing in a fairies, but some people would say that he was doing that for Mad TV. He was doing that for a check. That's not his brand. humor. He's done it, but that's not his brand of humor. You don't take the Wayne's brothers did it for a check? They got a mortgage. They owned their show. They could have done whatever they wanted to. Who owned the show? That family could have done whatever they wanted to do. They specialize in that

type of humor and that's what they wanted to do. Aries is I auditioned for a job and I got this job and I was on a show. This is not my show. I don't have creative control of a show. I am an employee. Okay, but Aries and again, it's totally fine. You can grow in your career. I mean, he stopped working with Vlad. Even though actually, as someone that Vlad keeps calling out, I agreed with Vlad in the Aries situation, but Aries stepped when he felt uncomfortable. He has a track record of stepping when he feels uncomfortable.

So if you felt uncomfortable with all that mad TV shit, she was doing, leave. You've done it before? I don't think he felt uncomfortable. And that's what everyone was saying. And that's the point. clearly you was fine with it. I mean, I get it, but I can also understand if he doesn't find it funny.

Listen, you're allowed to grow because when I was younger, I did shit for a check that I wouldn't do now. So I'm not here to chastise him or judge him in that way. There's plenty of things that I did when I was younger, when I needed a check, I was trying to grow a career that I would never do right now. There's pretty a shit that we do today for, we talk about that we don't really get about. I love that. See, that was, you shouldn't do that. You're going to allow me to talk about it.

That was unnecessary. But we still do shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, let's be real here. We're adults. We got bills. Like, you know, like, we don't do shit. We don't believe in.

Well, there's no, but there's no advertiser that can tell us what we can and cannot say. That's the different. Like, when it comes to some of sketch comedy and you're working for a network and they want you to do a sketch that you're uncomfortable with, even down to like maybe Bobby Lee on Mad TV being the Asian caricature stereotype every time. That's a difference between. advertisers and wanting to advertise with our show, they don't tell us what we can and cannot say.

That's the difference. If they said that, we'd say, fuck off. You're not about to tell me what to say. Unless it's Apple. Well, I like the duo. If Apple's listening. I'll say whatever y'all want me to say Apple. For a duo.

Look what niggas are doing for a duo? That's your price. It's just a duo. Yeah, man. I'll tell these niggas, whatever you want me to tell them. My bad, this became a preachy episode No, it's not preachy, but it's, I mean, it's the truth. Yeah, Roy, shut the fuck up with this honorage shit, man.

Nobody gives a fuck, right? Doug Ellen, fuck all of these guys. Every time he ran, I'd be quiet. Aries, I'm rolling with you, yo. I think that some of those shows are a little overrated, too. I respect them as classics, but the comedy to me is a little. But again, like, like I said, I don't like, I'm not big on comedy shows. I think you got to just fall back.

But that don't mean I don't know funny. Like the shows that I watch, I think that Succession is funny as fuck. Hilarious. Funny as fuck. But other people will watch it and not think that it's funny. I think that sarcasm and intelligent humor is funny to me. Cousin Greg is one of the funniest comedic characters. Like awkwardness is funny.

Like insecure. Insecure is fucking hilarious because it's awkward genius funny. Just like, oh my God, let me just slap something on my face and all eggs on my face. And oh my God, that's so funny. you're, oh, I have like a stupid, like, shuck and jive country accent. Or my name is Shaniqua. And that's, that shit ain't funny to me. That's just me.

I don't, I can understand it being funny to other people, but it's not to me. It's literally the same thing with Will Ferrell. But do you also see like- People said it was just because Will Ferrell was white. And when they bought up Martin, I was like, oh, I understand what he's saying because I never really thought Martin was that funny either. Martin, the show, not Martin Lawrence, the person. But you understand, like, people want to turn off their brain and watch, like, reality TV.

Yeah, I understand. I don't want to turn their brain off. Yeah, that's what I don't blame other people for what they find funny. It's just I don't find it funny. That doesn't mean that it's not funny. I just don't find it funny. Do you think that's so Raven is a black show? No.

But what would you say makes... Maul, what would you say makes a show a black show? All black cast or mostly black people who watch it? Not an all black cast. But it has to be a predominantly black cast. It has to talk about things in black culture. Yeah. I think it has to highlight or talk about things that we identify with.

What do you mean things that we identify with? Like what goes on in our culture, in our homes, in our schools, and our jobs. Like, it has to be the black experience. It has to speak from our experience. But what do you, so what I'm asking is what show do you think defines the black experience? Because I don't want it to be painted as if black people are a monolith because everybody's black experience is different. No, that's what I'm saying.

But if you said what makes a show a black show, I mean, whoever the show is based on has to be a black person with a black experience. Like it has to be somebody from our culture. That's what makes a show a black to me. Like, I mean, the character, it doesn't have to be an all-black cast. No, like, because we have white friends. We have Asian friends. We have, you know what I'm saying? But it's just like, yeah, like it has to be about our.

experience and from our point of view. So this conversation is coming because Raven, Raven Simone made a comment and said that the, that's old Raven show was not a black show. I agree with her. It had a predominantly black cast, but millions of kids of all races can identify with that show. Yeah, it was a digital channel. It wasn't so hyper-fixated on, you know. wasn't she like in school?

She was in high school. Yeah, so it was a bunch of different like classmates and characters, things like that. Because she was in school, it wasn't a black show? It's weird that you said. No, not because I'm saying, I'm trying to remember the show. I can't really, because I was older. I mean, the premise of it, yes, they were in school, they were at home, but the premise was that she could see the future and she would see the future and the episode would be based off her trying to fix her vision, which ended up being the vision. Yeah, that's not no black show.

No, it's not a black show. Black people don't even think about shit like that. I think it's a great show with a black cast, but I wouldn't, I don't know what a black show would be considered. Is my wife and kids a black show? Yes. See, that's, I'm asking as a white person that's trying to learn. I think my wife and kids is a black ass show. Is that with the white person?

That's with, that's with, uh. Damon? Yeah, Damon. Such a good show. That's, one of my favorites ever. That might be a black ass show. I think that's a black show doesn't mean that other races can't watch it. Yeah, they can exist in the show.

Not even in the show. I'm talking about the fan base. Yeah, no, definitely. Yeah. I mean. Okay, so then what you asked them all that question, I'm as a white that's trying to learn. Why is my wife and kids a black show and that's the or even not? Because if you replace Raven with a white girl, that show could be outside.

of Raven's very black as a black woman, very black mannerisms, you could replace Raven with a white girl and that show would still be that show. It would still make sense. Hannah Montana could do it. You could not replace Michael Kyle as with a white man and that show makes sense. They replaced Claire. Just like a dumb son. Nah, I don't know. Okay, well let me ask you this. Did you ever watch King of Queens? Love King of Queens. Okay.

Is there much difference between King of Queens and my wife and kids as far as... Not that much difference. Not that much difference. That's why I guess I'm asking, is it a black show? But everybody in... Because I think it's just a representation of like two working families. Yes. But every...

I guess it's the actors and actresses that they had in it because when you think of that's so Raven, the only black ass... I'm talking on mannerisms. Black-ass character was raven, right? Like, everybody else was pretty, you could replace them with white characters. Orlando Brown? My wife and kids, yes.

Other than his, he could be a white hip-hop head, whatever. My wife and kids, you got fucking, look at who the mother and the fucking father are. Like, you can't, there is no white equivalent. Shout out to Martin.

There is no white equivalent to them. Shout out to Martin for what? The wife. And never mind. lineage. Is everybody a black show? Yes.

That's a black-ass show. Black show. What? It has a lot of white All of their experiences. Yeah, I think that's a very black show. Can a white comment on it?

Yeah. I think that would be considered one because Chris Rock speaks specifically to his black experience of being bust from Bedstai to Garrison Beach and being with whites. It's based on the experience.

That's a black experience. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I think a lot of the family elements of everyone and hates Chris are universal. Yeah, that's universal. Like, yeah, I don't think that's a... But that's a black ass. That's a black ass show. But like having your one white, like, they speak on race a lot

in the show. And I think that that's another one too, is you speaking on race. My wife's kids speaks on race more. That's a Raven damn near, but it's a Disney show. So they barely, barely, barely speak on race. and that's so Raven. But they didn't kill Raven. They just found a lot of hilarious examples. A lot of Raven being black. Is girlfriends a black show?

Yes. Yes. Girlfriends are a very black show. The Cosby Show. The Cosby Show was black because it spoke on race a lot. Is sister-sister a black show? They're not even black. If they're not black, no.

They're black. I'm playing, man. But, uh, ah, yes. Why? Nah, man. Tia, sister, sister, yes. Why is it a black show? If that's O'Raven is not a black show, then I can't see.

How is sister or black show? I think you're under your misunderstanding just how big that's O'Raven was. That's O'Raven. The only thing that comes- The same fucking network, just two hours difference when it was. That is a, what I'm talking about popularity. That popularity has a lot to do with it. Because I was young watch.

I didn't care about the nose. The more popularity you have, the more of a different racial demographic you have. And on top of that, the time that it was in. But it was, that was still Disney, right? Yeah, there were both. Was sister sister Disney? Yeah, ABC. Was Moesha Blackass show?

Yes. The Parker is a black ass show. I don't know if Moesia was. Maul be fucking for real. I don't know, man. That girl name was Moesha. Yeah, but I mean, I don't know, man. Moisha is a black ass show

Oh AI says Yeah she is black Sister sister sister Oh I thought you typed in Sister Sister Black show A I said yeah That's a black guy show right there That was a black show

I don't know Like you would compare sister sister Like different strokes Different strokes is a black experience In a white family Like to me that would be more of a black show Than sister sister

No different strokes It's just a show Steve Harvey's a black show? Huh? Steve Harvey? Harvey show, yes, black show. Keenan and Kel? No.

Okay. I'm asking. As a white, I'm trying to learn. We're getting somewhere. Hold on. Let me sit up in class. Hold on. We're getting somewhere.

Keenan and Kel. Keenan and Kelle's not a black show. No. Prow family, black show. But Keene and Nicole is not a black show. Maybe Judge Jackson, not a black show. Wait, well, all right. Hold on. Can you just explain why Proud Family is?

I'm not saying it isn't. Because I think the majority of the people who watched Proud Family were Black and Proud families. I also think a lot of Black shows also lean into stereotypical black, lean into black stereotypes a lot. And the Proud family did that. Every white, Spanish or Black friend I had watched Proud family. But this is the thing.

I also think the Proule family was written by Black people, if I'm not mistaken. I would hope so. That would be weird. The PJs are black show? Do you know why the gross sisters were purple, were blue? It's because they were ashy. And all the sisters were named after lotions.

That's how black the proud family is. That's how black the family is. I'm dead ass. All the sisters was named after the movie. I hope it was written by black children. I think it was, I'm pretty sure it was written by black shit. I hope to God.

Yeah, the proud family was created by a black person. That was written by Fat Joe. Yo, is the PJs a black show? through Jumbalaya Studios produced the series Jumbalaya Studios That's what I'm saying The Pral family black is fuck

So it's Creole It's black as fuck Of course it's Creos French La Ciena Boulevardez That show black as shit I know But only a black person

Will come up with some shit like that Is smart guy The Black show? Uh Yeah In between Halfway Hanging with Mr. Cooper

Black Wait, hold on Can you explain Why smart guy is half black It's like It's bir racial How? though.

It's the same as sister-sister. Small guy is that's right there with sister-sister. It's like it's the same show. But I also think that that sister-sister is more biracial too. Like I wouldn't say that it was a black-ass show, but it was black-ass show. The Proud family, black-ass show. Live a single black-ass show. Moesha-black-ass show.

The Parker's black-ass show. Wait, but hold on. All right. How is... Fresh prince, bi-racial. So how is famous Jet Jackson not biracial? Wait. That's a young black famous man trying to live in a white world. Fresh Prince is by racial. The Fresh Prince is not a black show. Y'all can't, y'all will not take that from us. That's a black show, bro.

But it ain't taking it. It's not taking it from you. I think just because the Fresh Prince got so big. That's a black show, bro. I'm not doing that. That's a black show. I don't know the definition. I'm a white trying to learn. I'm going off fields.

I'm going off field. Mind you, the Fresh Prince of Belair is one of my favorite shows at all time when it comes to, like, that type of show. I think the Fresh Prince is significantly more funnier. Martin. Okay, that's fine, but that's not the topic at hand. Cousin Skeeter, black. I never seen rock.

It was sandwiching between white shows, like Cousin Skeeter. I don't know. I guess I just don't know the definition. The Fresh Prince is not as considered not black? I don't say not black. I said biracial. It's like in the middle. I think when you blow up so big, when you become like big.

It only became biracial when they replaced the black, the dark skin on Vib with the light skin on Vib. But they did that my wife and kids with Claire. They got rid of dark skin, Claire and got light skin clear. Yeah, that's the only thing. But they didn't get rid of her. That's not fair. They didn't get rid of her. Her parents didn't want her star in on it anymore.

Dark skin, Claire. They didn't want her. That's what NBC said. No, that's what her parents said. Because the subject matter was a little bit too much. Family Matter is black. Family Matters is a black show, for sure. It's a black show.

Whenever you guys want to fill up white shows, then I'll be a critic. I'm just here for the ride. You think to wire a black show? It's a white ass. It's a white-ass show. Y'all think the Wire are a black show? No. Me either.

Not even a little bit. Me either. Y'all don't think the Y is a black show? No. No. Like, not even a tiny bit. I can understand why because of the cast. But no.

That's sick. That might be the first time I heard that. It became, so when I think of a black show, I think of who the audience is. And the Wires' audience is so widespread. White people love the Y'I. Oh, I'm not thinking about the audience. I'm thinking about the actual show. I'm thinking about the audience and the subject matter of the show like both

but the audience is important wait if you're going off if you're going off audience that would mean flowrider is a white rapper like just because the audience is white that's completely different from show that's completely different how come people don't bring out of the flowrider than like rapids and because he's making like weird white pop music I think music and TV is a little bit different yeah I don't think the wire is a black show

What about it is a black show? Have you seen the wire? Just because something is in the hood doesn't make it a black show. You seen the subject matter? I mean, the theme of the overall series is how the street element of Baltimore ties into politics, kids, media, pale. Like, everything is just, it's about the city of Baltimore. No, I get, yes, it is. And mind you, Baltimore is a black city.

Correct. Whereas even when the mayor was running, at the end of the day, I'll still be a white mayor and a black city. For sure. But no, it's about city politics. And cities are melting pots no matter what you, whatever the highest demographic is, cities are still melting pots. And that's a representation of what city politics look like and how everything trickles down from a corner kid to the mayor. Everything is tied together. I don't think that's a black show.

I think black people are part of a city. Hopefully. Hopefully they consider that. I think everything trickles down to education to the mayor. It just is all. Come on. Is Snowfall a Black Show? Yes.

Yes. But the wire is not. Different in how that aspect. Snowfall focuses on one specific. part. Whereas the wire, Snowfall is not about the entire city of LA. The way the wires.

The way the wires. There's not season two, there's not a season two dedicated to the Long Beach docks. Like, I don't know, man. You can make a case with Snowfall that there is a lot of, um, the freeway, freeway, Ricky story of CIA and how shit got here. But no, that's, that's what I'm saying. That's politics.

In comparison, I would say Snowfall will be more... I don't know what a black show on a white show is. It's really what I'm saying. We're all just, you know, freestyle in this shit. It ain't like what we say is law. At all. I'm saying it's law. Fuck that. Well, Sim was on the reboot, so...

Of what? Check it up. Snowfall. It came out two nights ago. Oh, did you see... Did you watch it? Oh, the spinoff. Yeah.

I got to watch it. How was it? I know, I haven't watched it yet. Okay. But yeah. I didn't see that at air. No, I went to set. Maybe you'll see it.

see me in the background. Maybe. That will make it a not black show. I play a undercover CIA. Hey, how about this thing called Craig? I see Compton is a thriving suburb for black people. How about I ruin it with cocaine? I got to check that out. The drop. Okay. On FX and Hulu. I'm going to check that out because I mean, y'all know how I feel about snowfall, so I want to see what they did with this. Yeah, no, it's got a lot of good actors in there as well. I don't like, Alante Black, who's been in our studio before, Asante's a really, really good actor. He starred in Eris' movie, Storev.

Okay. He's also in Euphoria the last season. Asante's really dope. We have to have Asante on the show soon. He's a really good actor. Let me check this out, man. Let's see. Hopefully they got this one right.

Yeah. All right, Maul, let's get to our guests here. Some of my favorites. Some of my favorite guys. Yes. we thought it was going to be three people, but it's only two people, which I guess we'll get to as well.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We are joined by Generation Now. Kai Cash Bar's Not Dead available now. Yes. And we got Lake, shezy. Oh, man, here we are. One of my favorite guys right here.

One of my favorite shit talkers, man. What's going on with you? y'all man. Chilling. You had the album? What was it, the album release? I was a little late, but it's better late than never.

Yeah. So did you wait until you came back to New York to do it? No, I've been in New York for like four months. So why you didn't do? I didn't want to. Yeah, I did not want to throw on an event. I mean like, bro, the anxiety of having to put on an event. Okay.

It's like, it's a lot. And I just got to like Willie Joe. He was just like, yo, let's just do it. And I was just like, word. Okay. I was like word. Let's just do it. Easiest rollout we ever had.

Yeah. Let's run it. So was it like you just didn't want to do it because it's like, man, just put the music out or? Yeah, I'm that. I'm that guy, bro. To me, it's just like the music is the only thing that matters. But unfortunately, that's not the truth. Right. So it's like, we got to do the other.

You got to play the game. Yeah. So I'm like, you know what? Let me get into the groove of it. Let's play. How was it working with, you know, Lake and drama and Canon? Because these are like, these are vets. but they're also very tapped in with the next generation.

I was going to add in like in their ass. I ain't go to lie. It's been smooth for me. I can't lie. Especially like learning who they are individually. Okay. It's a very interesting. Very interesting group of a collective of guys.

It reminds me and me and my friends like. Yeah. Who's the most interesting, bro? I fuck with y'all. Who's the most interesting? Yeah, it's like I fuck with y'all, but I'm gonna see y'all when I see y'all. Like, all right, we got to do something today? Yeah.

All right. Canada would be like, I might be there. Yeah. Which is a note. Drama Lake is kind of, to me, they're always together. So it's just like, all right. I know if Lake will pull up, drama pull up. Yeah.

Except for today. Except for today. When he has boating incident. Yeah, we allowed to say why he's not here? Sure. Yeah, let's go. Falling off a jet ski and missing a podcast is the funniest kid I've ever heard. And what did he hit?

I don't know. What injury is it? Was it choppy? Had to be. Yeah. Had to be. Well, hopefully drama is right. Yeah, man.

I don't want to be. We're praying for drama. Yeah. It wasn't a jet skiing in New York, too. Because when he said it at first, I was like, did this nigga go jet skiing on the Hudson? Yeah, in the Hudson ribbox. I didn't know. That's an injury for sure.

It would be awfully dusty. Right. Right. Exactly. All right. So Barr's not dead. How is the climate, as far as you're concerned, being one of the young, the young new rappers out of New like what's the climate right now as far as you concerned?

For hip hop or just for like me? Both. Yeah, both. To me, this is a crazy take being who I am. I think hip hop is in like a very dead space. I feel the same way. It's just feels. It's not as alive as it used to be.

I had a debate with a couple of rappers like a week ago. And I was like, yo, I'm not even like, I've never been the biggest Naz guy, but this is probably what he felt like when he put that album out. Yeah, it's still happening, but it doesn't feel like what I know. Yeah. You feel me? So it's just like, to me, it just don't feel like what I know. And for me, that's a great, that's great.

But for me being a team player, for lack of better words, like I love to see the sport and the people playing the sport, be active. It's just like, I don't really know what's going on. I don't really give a fuck to know what's going on because it's not interested me. But people are active though. That's what I'm saying. I just think the music is just not. It's just like, it kind of mirrors that time when Nas put out hip hop is dead.

Because you still had Kanye J. 50, Wayne. But under that was all ringtone rap. Like that's what consumed everything besides those guys. And now, of course, you have great artists. But everything below that is TikTok. And it's just, which is just the new ringtone. It's so much of it. It's just like, I don't really even know where to go.

So I don't, I personally don't bother. Yeah. I mean, but do you think the moment you had with Joey and everyone, I wouldn't call it battle per se, but just that. that moment of everyone rapping, did you feel that way at that time? Yeah. I felt like that was cool. But something about it was still just like, all right, like, this is, like, it's just another

moment. Yeah. Like I, I feel like the last time, to me, the last time hip hop was like, okay, this thing is alive and thriving. It might have been that 2016 freshman class. Like, I feel like, yeah, to me, to me personally, I feel like that era, it was like, this shit is jumping. You could go anywhere.

Hip hop is just the thing. Now we go places. It's just like, it's like, oh yeah, rap is rap. Was that the Zell Curry, Yadi? Yeah, that class definitely. It just felt like something to me. It just felt like something to me.

It was new energy for sure. I think it's a shift happening. I think that's why I feels this way because now everything is resetting. I don't know if it was the whole Drake and Kendrick thing and watching the party died and it really happened. I don't know what it was.

But it's like, I'm looking, I'm just like, damn. Do you make music differently because of that? Yeah, for sure. But I also went through a lot of like internal changes. Okay. That just made me just look at life differently. So I'm already just in a different space. That's probably why I feel this way, to be honest.

Okay. Do you want to speak about any of those with a microphone in your face? It's just more. People listening. On this huge platform? Like those internal fucking phenomenal. It was just like, it was just like, I. I did like a three-day fast.

I got a baby on the way. Like, it's so much shit. Go, thank you. It's like, it's just so much shit I'm going through as a adult. Like, I had an ego death, which is like all the old shit that mattered to me just one day just stopped mattering. Okay. And all the shit that I used to care about is the, this, it's the simple shit. Did you take Iowa?

Yeah. I feel like I did. Too much shrooms or a natural? Just really one day was like. This was a natural. I think it was the fast for me, realistically. Okay. It's just like I, I shed everything.

out and it just gave me a different type of clarity. It's just like, damn, I'm polluted. Like, damn. That's what I felt like. I respect that.

I'm like, yeah. I'm like, damn, I'm polluted, loki. Like, this shit is crazy. When you get away from certain shit for a little while, you just like, oh, wait a minute. But that's real, though. It's still like, and I think me personally, I was so stuck and caught up in just the

normal shit, the Instagrams, the numbers, the checking in on this, what's going on right now because soon as you wake up, you see a nigga die or a joint naked or whatever you want to see. It's right in front of you. So when I kind of let that go for a second,

it's like, oh, it's real world is still outside. Like, it's still things. And I realize how many more people agree. Like, they want to, like, just ISO. Get away from all of it. Get away from everything. Like, it's people really want to go outside and touch grass again. And I feel like that's a part of the shit, but that's really what I was going through internally.

Like, just letting go a lot of the old shit that don't serve me no purpose no more. People include it. I feel that. No, that's, I mean, that's real. How old are you? 29. That's dope to have that, you know, mindset at 29, especially, you know, and making music and being in the industry. Because at 29, you're supposed to be with all the bullshit.

You feel me? But I've been doing all the bullshit since I was like 16. My fucking 16 birthday party was at Greenhouse. Who is a DJ? Who kid, I would imagine. Who kid was the DJ? Yeah, who kid was DJ? I was around for the greenhouse there.

Yeah. Who kid was the DJ? Legendary nights. Yeah. So was it during the day or was that? No. And it was not. I wonder that and whip got shut down.

Right. You feel me? We probably play part in that for real. I think they got it right when they shut greenhouse. We did got that one. After the party, the shit definitely shut down. Once Tony Parker gets hit with a bottle. Yeah.

It's time. Yeah. It's time they hit a hard reset. It's time to hit a hard reset once Tony Parker gets hit with a bottle. I mean, did you feel like you grew up a little quicker than most just because, you know, your dad was in junior mafia. You have like similar to more. Like, you do have a hip-hop royalty family even though you weren't directly in. Yeah, we sued on Apple babies.

But, yes, I did grow up faster because I've seen, I just seen things that people that I was going to school with and just growing up in their way. I probably would never see in your lives. And it's just like, I've seen this. so much that it's normal to me. So I kept myself away from even having too many friends in school and shit like that. It's just like, you know, my life is just different. Y'all are not even ready for this shit. Y'all can't fuck with what I got going on.

I don't even want to fuck with you. And of course, now, looking back at it, like, that's some fuck shit to think. But it's real. It's just like, bro, like, what am I to do? It's self-aware. I don't think it's arrogant. I just think it's self-aware. I love who you had around you.

You feel me? So I was just like, bro, I'm 14, 15. I'm just having my way I'm lit on the gram That's the shit that matters to us It's like bro I'm You tell me

Biggie changed my diapers But shut up What are we talking about? What are we talking about? The diapers are notorious Easy call That's crazy Notorious diapers

Notorious diapers That's not like the name of the new album No I'm from me Like with DROC being your uncle And having all that guidance Were they a little reluctant about like these guys?

Nope. Okay. Nah. Not at all. Actually bringing him a rock was, he was the happiest. He was like, yeah, nah. Between him and my pops? Some of the niggas was like, nah, those are the right people. Finally, they're like, finally. Yeah. We've been waiting for so long for you to get

with some good people. Yeah. And I was already super cool with a lot of the mafia cast. Like, Cs had a lot to do with it. You know, bang. Bang. Like, had a whole lot to do with it. Like, I spent, I, I, I think for the last probably five years of me coming to New York, I would bang will pick me up and I would roll. I would be in Brooklyn with them niggas hanging all day every day.

So I've had a relationship with Rube, C's, bang, shit, all the way down to sea gutter. You know what I'm saying? I know what I'm saying? I know what I'm saying? For a while. Yeah. So it's a different type of trust that they have. Yeah, it was a mutual respect.

Yeah. And you know, them niggins ain't really nobody to play with either. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But it helps when they have, when you're involved, you know what I'm saying? and you already have that relationship. Yeah. They know that you ain't going to have Kai.

Absolutely. They understand that part of it. What did y'all see in Kai? Because just judging off the Generation Now track record, you had Uzi that was clearly awesome rock star shit and was completely different but had that crossover shit. Jack is white with curly hair. Right.

We could take him to... Wherever. Jimmy Avine and have a blast. Kai wraps like he's really, really from New York. Right. While I enjoy that type of stuff, Sometimes that's not the easiest thing to market or crossover. And y'all were taking risks with people that I think had pop appeal based off the current times.

What did you see in Kyle that was different? I mean, I think the foundation is the skill set, right? I think we were speaking earlier about like why the business is in the position it is. And now I think I think that's part of the problem, right? I think it's still rap. You know, like I think this is the only sport or this is the only business where somebody says like, I'm not a rapper, but it's rap. Like, imagine you going to get your toilet fix

and the plumber being like, yo, I'm not a plumber, but I'm here to fix your toilet. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just sounds crazy even doing that. Every landlord. Yeah, I think the appealing thing about Kay is, A, the foundation is the skill set, right? He can rap, and that's what this shit is.

Like, it's the music business, but we're in rap music. So that's the exciting thing for us. And the truth is, you know, even though most people know drama and canon from their history from, you know, the mixtapes and most of those mixtapes are Southern, Those are two hip hop heads from Philadelphia. You know what I'm saying?

I'm a dude from L.A. that grew up in, you know, like the Project Bloade era, you know, watching like A.C. alone and dudes like that. So this is what we traditionally listen to. That doesn't mean we can identify what's going to work in a marketplace or say, yo, this may not sound like Tribe Call Quest or something that we grew up with, but we can identify whether it's going to work. Right.

So to me, the skill was the first thing that was attractive. Of course, the lineage is there. So, you know, he has some sort of strong foundation, at least from a mental standpoint, because that's half of dealing with these artists, right? You got to deal with them mentally as well as creatively. So I think those two things were it. And then for real, do it just make good music.

And when I look at the guys that are the guys, like when you look at the top-tier rappers, when you think about Kendrick, when you think about shit, Drake, when you think about Cole, all those guys can really rap their ass on. You know what I'm saying? So we could develop song structure.

We could find good beats. We could make a catchier chorus and take a word or two out, but I can't teach him how to be a good rapper. Right. You know what I'm saying? As an executive, though, how do you feel about the current state of hip hop league?

Like, where do you, because you've been in the industry and in the game for so long, so you've seen the ups and downs of this. Is this something that is, like, completely different for you? Or are you like, I recognize this. This is how we've gone through this before. I think we've gone through this. I think it's a few things, right?

I think ageism is a real thing. singing hip hop, right? And I think a lot of that isn't necessarily, I think it's a lot of finger point in saying like the older guys don't like the younger guys and the younger guys don't like the older. I don't think that's the case. The truth is, it's a 50-year-old genre. Right. You know what I mean? We're just figuring out how to age the right way. You know what I think just to use an example, like the work we're doing with Gizi now with the, with the residency that he's doing in Vegas. You know, dude is in a tux every single day, you know, saying words to probably one of the most gangster albums ever put out.

But now those people that are in their late 40s or early 50s or late 30s, they feel comfortable going to a set and without having to necessarily go to a nightclub. So for me, I think learning how to age gracefully is one thing. I think hip hop's in a space where it honestly just needs a hard reset. I think the focus has been so much on data that we've kind of lost the foundation, which is, again, skill and ability. I think the ability to identify talent has been lost with just kind of looking at information. And look, there's nothing wrong with data. but data is what it is, right? It's just information.

It's what you use it for. So for me, that should never be the foundation. The ability to identify a talent is the first thing. And then from there, the data gives you the information to know where to go on what to do. So I think we've kind of reversed that a little bit. And I think the incline, I think I was here to, you know, we were blessed to see the peak of the streaming era, but now we're seeing kind of like the negative effects of what can happen from it.

Yeah. And I think right now is the time where, you know, It's good for a hard reset. But it's great for guys like that because now you can just be creative. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? It's interesting for me because we're finally seeing, like you said, you know, just hip hop aging.

And we're seeing guys like, you know, GZ do residency's in the tucks every night. Jay-Z is doing stadiums with music that we didn't think was stadium music at one point. Absolutely. Kanye, what he's doing around the world. world. You know, I think that, and then you, and then you got the guys that's, you know, now starting to really get into their starting like a Don Tyler. That was, that's a great example. That was a lot of, like, you know, he's showing people like, you know, like, this is my time. Like, I'm at a level now where everybody is looking at me like, holy shit.

You know what I mean? So it's, it's an interesting time for a number of things. But like you said, we got away from, I think, what this thing really was about, which is the skill set. we started paying too much attention to everything outside of the music, you know, impressions and virality and things like that, where it's like, no, let's get back to the music because we see what great music can do later on. You can end up in stadium. You can end up, you know, a guy like Don Tolliver,

who was probably, I don't see him doing a lot of interviews. Right, at all. But he's going to give you an incredible project. And then his production on stage, you know, visually, aesthetically, it's going to be something that you're going to be like, holy, who is this kid? You know what I mean? So I think that we're seeing glimpses of what we need to do. Right.

And glimpses of what will happen if you do certain things later on in your career where it can take you. And I just think that for the next generation now, you've got to get back to the nucleus of, yo, listen, just create from a place of respecting the art, respecting the skill set, and being true and passionate to who you are. No, totally. And I think you guys play a vital role in it, too, just, just, media in general because I feel like critics are what drove

rap for the longest. They used to call them gatekeepers, but they were the ones that kind of let us know the system of checks and balances with this shit, right? The truth of this is... We need gatekeepers. No, you have to. It got a negative connotation for some reason. But I feel like it's necessary to have gatekeepers in anything

that's culture. Because there's no separation between an amateur and a professional and rap. You know what I mean? Like, in basketball, there's high school, there's college, there's the D-League, until you get to the pros here you know there's a guy that could try it one time and and be in the same league with somebody just tried for 15 years right but you know their their career may last a month and they're wondering why it ends up like that and there's you know the sour taste in their mouth paus for them not

you know for them not being able to or them not having the success or the successful career that they imagine to have but i thought a lot of that comes from the initial gatekeeping you know it took money it took time it took somebody saying this ain't good enough to make it out here now but i think we're hearing everything, whether it's good or bad. You know what I mean? And I don't know how good that is. Yeah, because if I hit a lucky three, the league is not going to take me. No, at all.

I could put a lucky record out and I'd be on Rolling Loud stage tomorrow. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Yeah. I can get lucky fucking around in Pro Tools and be on Rolling Loud stage tomorrow. Artist development happens at Rolling Loud now. Yeah. No, that's it.

That's it. We saw Ice Spice. I think her first performance was Rolling Loud or something like that. And everybody was like, oh, she's just. just twerking. She doesn't really know, she looks uncomfortable. I'm like, fam, this is probably performing. She's probably there. She's probably there rehearses from here. Like, we're seeing artists development happen at a festival, one of the biggest festivals like, we've never seen that before. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I think that, you know, gatekeeping for whatever

reason, you know, people started to feel like, oh, they're trying to keep people out. And it's that, but you need to because, like, to what you're saying, like, there needs to be checks and balance. Absolutely. You need to be like, not yet. Not ready. That's not time. That's fire, y'all should be checking this out. Like, I think that you need those things. To me, it helps you know, sift through the bullshit. It's going to, it's going to, you know, you're not going to waste your time. At one point, I thought it was cool to be like, yo, here's this unknown kid who can

upload his album the same day as Drake or Kendrick. Same platform, Apple, Spotify, have his album right there. But then it got to a point, it was like, maybe that's not a good thing. It's not, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, maybe they need to accomplish and do. little more before they're able to do that. Yeah, because your natural reaction, right, is going to be, okay, like you said,

you're going to sift through product, right? So you go and you see what's released on Friday and there's 35 projects, right? So you listen to two of them. There's 30 more rappers you got to listen to. Right. If the first two you listen to you don't like to, your natural progression is to go back to what you do like and you have all that at your own disposal. So you know what?

All this shit don't sound good. Put on ready to die. Right. You know what I'm saying? All this don't sound good. I feel like listening to this day. Let me go back to what I know. but I know is good.

Exactly. So, you know, I think right now discovery is the hardest phase, man, because it's so much. And people are so inclined to go back to what they know or their condition alike anyway. Yeah. And, you know, and it's in the palm of your hand. Yeah. And, I mean, to your point with media being important, I also like that there is the checks and balances with media gatekeepers now. Like, as annoying as it is when you are in the media to have a bunch of people kill you online,

I like that outside of some of the weirdo stands, people online will call. keep media as honest as possible. For sure. They will get caught up before if like I disagreed with Elliot Wilson when I was in high school. He wouldn't hear about it. It would be us arguing about like damn, oh, he's really tapped in with shade. He only puts M&M and

50 cent on the cover of Delaware. My voice was never heard in that regard and media didn't have to keep to that standard because there was no one really having a voice to yell at them about it. I like that there's checks and balances with us now too. Even when I'm at the butt of it. Right. I think

that's great to still have gatekeepers, but I do like that fans can call us out on our bullshit. Right. Yeah. Or like our admitted biases or relationships we have, like, I think that is great that the fans have that voice too. As annoying as it can fucking be sometimes. Yeah.

And how many people I don't think really even deserve an opinion because they don't give a fuck, they're just here to talk. Right. I think that's important too with checks and balances. No, that's real. You don't have to hear all the noise, but it's good to hear some of it. Yeah. You need to.

Some of it. Yeah. So Kyle, with Barr's not dead. First of all, I love the fact that it's 12 tracks. I love that. Because you get right to it. I feel that. Don't give me 37 tracks.

Yeah, we ain't having that. Yeah, no, I'm not listening to nothing. Over 12. Attention span is too short. Yeah. Like, if you can't tell me what you need to tell me in 12, 14 tracks, I'm not listening to the next 20 tracks. I'm just not going to do that.

Is there anybody that you worked with on this project that surprised you? Like, damn. I like this dude, but like he really performed on this record. Because I see you got smoked this on there. Ruben Vincent, Ben Riley. Swavez. Swave. Yeah, I like Swave.

I like Suave. A lot. Akeem is the one. No, that's not the one. Akeem is on the first one. Okay. It would probably have been that one. But from this project, I'd say Ben Riley.

I would say Ben Riley because I wasn't really super privy to his music. Like me and Ben, I kind of really connected this year. But the verse he gave and just the way he kind of carried it, it was just like, oh shit, like he matched the energy. I got a melodic hook on there. Like, he fit the bill so well. And the verse is impeccable.

I think that's probably who really surprised me. Not to say that he's not good or nothing, but I wasn't really onto his music like that beforehand. Yeah. Is there some click that you have with Swave, Rubin? I feel like y'all have been, like, on tour. Yeah, now we're working on our Nala Simone. Generation Al-Nallis-Mone.

Working on the Honor Roll project. It's a collective called the Honor Rolls. It's me, Ben, Suave, Nico Brim, Marco Plus, Winn, Ruben, Vincent, Chris Patrick, and Jordan Bell. And this is something that Nila has been trying to do for a little minute.

She tried it with a, just a bunch of us from our hand. That shit didn't work. That shit didn't work. White's like that. It just didn't work. A little New Yorkism. Yeah, man.

But she got it right the second time. You know, that's why I keep trying shit. I salute to her. Salute to Lila, yeah. It's coming together well, too, because the chemistry is there with all of us. I think that's what makes this one. Yeah. Way better than the first one.

It wasn't like the chemistry wasn't there, but it's just like now, I think it's just everybody has been somewhere before. And we're all really trying to go to the same thing. And we're all adults. And it's just like, all right, bro. Like, fuck with y'all. Yeah. Let's do this music.

I hear that. Yeah. You all have a different understanding now. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I think that shit is kind of lost in current music now. I was watching Quest Love. I forgot what podcast he was on.

But he was talking about like the Geffen days when they were trying to break the roots. And he told whoever was the head of Geffen at that point, like you need to sign Below. You need to sign Erica. You need to sign all. We all need to be together to. It's a specific niche fan that we have. There's a million of them. But it's still a very niche thing.

Like, we need to be together, even if we're not a click. Like, if Geffen wants to succeed with the roots, they got to sign people like the roots. Absolutely. So we can move around together. Like, put a tour together, open or just like, that's the way it's going to work. Yeah, it's a lost culture, the collective.

Yeah. I think her putting this collective together, especially with like, ain't no slouches for real. Like, we all can rap. Good as fuck. Niggas is fly. We have a girl, a part of it.

He's white. That always helps She can wrap her ass I'm sorry, Wynne But yeah She can wrap her ass Who's young fresh energy in New York Pushing the coaching forward

However she can Yeah You feel me So it's like What? That's this beauty in that I'd be telling We all speak about it

We all feel the same way But it's just like bro You know nigs is trying And get their own shit off every day Everybody got their own agenda But it's like This is gonna help all of us And on top of that

that you have late drama, then you have guru, you have ninth. Everyone else has their own exact second. Everybody. Everybody's going to be helped at the end of the day. Yeah. And all it's going to take for them is one of them to get the attention. And if they continue to work together, they can build a little community around. Exactly.

It's the same way you said, Gaffin is. I think that's a lost start too, Rory, when you just spoke to that, you know? I think that's a huge part of it. I think there's a few labels that have done a really good job of curating like a sonic representation of who they are. I think TDE is one of those companies. QC was probably the last one on a major, major level of sonically. We know what we're getting.

We know what we're getting. Yeah, QC and TDE really did a good job of doing that. I think us as a generation now, we're scattered. We did a good job of building stars, but it's not necessarily like a distinct sound. You know, you're going to get Uzi and Jack sound totally different. It sounds different. But I think they've done a good job of really like developing the sound saying like, this is the brand, this is what it stands for, and you know what you're going to get.

it, you know. So I think that matters. Is there any pressure, like, I'm sure Kai's not asked or anything, but pressure to, because Generation Now is one of the few labels out that is scattered in that way. Uzi sounds nothing like Jack and vice versa to merge like, all right, we need the Uzi feature, we need the Jack feature. Is there pressure when you sign someone? Because that's kind of how QC, because they had similar sounds, it was easy to be like, all right, we sign Citigurals, Cardi, here we go. Yeah.

Is there pressure in that regard within like label politics? Not really just because unfortunately Ouzi never did that for Jack so Jack was like I ain't doing that shit for nobody either Jack's addressed it like he's wrapped about it Yeah like I think But one thing I can say is

is like Jack himself He's been super receptive to Kai And always been super open arm to do You know what I mean So it's always been cool But he's kind of been like Yeah I had to get it on my own And I had to get it when he was dissing them niggins

You know what I'm saying? So I think for him he's like look, you know, if when you need me and when the timing is right, he'll do it. But I think Kai does a good job of standing on his own. You know what I'm saying? And it works. But, yeah, it would be great. I think the way we're structuring our company

in the future is, though, is like that. Like, look, Kai's coming. Whether you like it or not, my guy, you're going to have this feature. I'm just playing it. Like it or not, you're making a meal so out. Yeah. Like it or not, he's singing the chorus, all right?

You're going to paint your nails, too, for the following album. No. But the truth. The truth is that the truth is while we're laughing about it, that cohesion is what builds labels and builds companies. That's how I knew Jewel was on death row. You know what I mean?

That's how you actually build the company. And one good feature or one good representation on a song can do a lot for him. And that may do a lot for the next person too. So be a leader, not a follower. No, 1,000% I'm here. The rumor was when Jack moved to New York, Kyle showed him around, showed him the blue note. Then he started wearing a hat.

That's what happened. When I bought Jack to the blue note, know, I had the, the, what's the name fit from the Monica cover? I had that whole fit on. Everything changed crazy, man. Shout out to Jack. Yo, Jack is crazy.

That one right there. Jack is having an amazing tour, by the way. Look at the way you wearing your hat now. We went to, me and Roy went to cold the night Jack was. I saw y'all drive by. Yeah, I went to the show. I didn't know.

I definitely would have we known, I would have pulled up to the Jackson. Yeah, go see my guy, man. No, I want to see him. I want to see him, man. the way Twitter did that. What's crazy is the album isn't really like, I know people are on the tag. It's not a bad album.

It's not a bad album. It's actually sonically good album. Dude is a musician, bro. He's really good. Yeah, I'm gonna see a lot. The tour's not done, right? No. And he's found a way to integrate the singing shit

with the rap shit. Yeah. No, I'll fuck with Jack, man. That sound just was just what the joke. What are the pictures? Oh, what the pictures is crazy. Yeah. What of the pictures was mad, funny.

Go back again. Go that. It's the one the out-nail Monica joint in the middle. Yeah, that was sick. That was sick. That is fire.

Shout out my dog. Jack. That's the word. True artistry, because he's standing next to it. He ain't changed hats yet. Yeah. Super intentional.

No, listen, man. It's intentional as hell. That's one thing I respect about it. Whether you all like it or not, like this is what I'm doing. And I think this shit is no. I love the same. I have to see the inner brim of the hat.

Like, does it got the sweat marks Or is he buying new ones? Nah, it's official Chewstick roots What do we do, what they do video, it's the one. Wherever the roots are they?

They was disin his family. The home family. Everybody I know. Some of those had to like the joints you get from the military supply stories. Yeah, yeah. The Army Navy stores. Yeah, hell yeah.

Army Navy. That's a way. We out here. Kyle, you saw the comments that, Vince Staples was making about his rollout with his last project of like not really want to do media because nobody

really talks about music. I don't blame him. Yeah. I don't blame him because it's just like I'm sitting on the couch. I'm in a dog. I'm about to break it down right now. I'm in a different space. Yeah. Y'all going to see me. I want y'all to see me everywhere. Vince is not in the space. I mean, he don't need that shit. Yeah. We already know Vince Staples from

all his interviews anyway. It's just like, bro, he's a seriously funny nigga, both. Yeah. No pun intended. Mm-hmm. And Oh, I'm sorry. I just wanted him to read the quote so that they had context for it. But you could keep talking.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean. For you to try me. I'm sorry. Finally, she speaks. Okay, there we go. But yeah, I just feel like, you don't, you know, when you get to a certain level,

you don't have to do the things. You don't have to play the game, I don't think. For sure. You definitely know how to play the game when you reach a level. I just don't think you have to play the game. But question for you, though. Sorry about that. These guys are sitting with you right now, right,

when you need. need it per se, right? Yeah. When they need you, why is it not reciprocate? I don't think, do they need Vince Staples? Do you, do you know, I think they deserve to do an interview with Vince Staples if they want to? I'm not saying, yeah, I'm not even talking about y'all in particular. I'm just saying, like, in general, just media in general.

I don't feel like media is just like, oh, we need to get Vince Staples up here. I mean, to what Lake is saying some platforms may need events. Absolutely. Okay, that changes. Because it doesn't a lot. I mean, it makes it a little different, but I'm a different person. Yeah. Because if that's the energy, then it's like, oh, yeah, I fuck with Roy and more.

I'll go up there. I'm not going everywhere. Right. Yeah, for sure. I would love a Vince interview just because I fuck with Vince as a human being. I think he's hilarious, intelligent, everything. But at the same time, a lot of podcast listenership has become fans of podcasts, not fans of music. So I agree with what he's saying.

Sometimes when we get on like nerdy music shit or want to have guests like you of artists that we like, our fans are like, man, get to. the headlines. Right. Like, we want to hear y'all talk about the bullshit. And I mean, let's fucked up about this interview. We're proud that a lot of our listeners, like, we proud ourselves in that.

We still do have a listenership that loves music, loves music discovery, but I'd be lying if the podcast space in general is not a bunch of podcast fans. Yeah. Music fans. Okay. When we started podcasting,

we got music fans to listen. Okay. That has now, because podcasts became so big, they're content fans. Yeah. That's what they're, looking for. And even if we have a super big guess, a lot of times they're like, we don't,

we just want to hear y'all talk. Yeah, they want to hear the news. This is damn like urban news to an stack. He's looking for a clip. Yeah, that's all they're doing for. I hear Vince, especially if you put all this work and pour your fucking soul into a project and they're just going to ask him about headline shit, like, no.

Even what he said. I get the breakfast club, you sit down and you eat hot wings. It's just like, yo. It's not a hot wing at the breakfast club but I feel it. Granted, yeah, I get with it. But I understand what he's trying to go in. But it's just like, yeah, for some people, that'd be like,

nigga, I didn't come here to eat. Events, events, events, events, uh, interview is, is gold because Vince is so intelligent, so raw and honest. Um, and funny, but I was trying to be. Yeah. Um, but aside from that, he's a super, super talented artist. And I, you know, some of the conversations we've had with Vince on personal time, away from the cameras, I wish there was a camera.

will roll him in first. Yeah. No, he's classic. Oh, my God. It was just me, Maudevince and his engineer in the studio for three hours. That would have been the greatest podcast of all time. Yeah. But there's a reason why it wasn't. There's a reason why that's not

recording. A lot of people would be upset. A lot of, you know, a lot of business might go away. Right. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, but it's like, you know, it's fucked up because... And not because he was being messy. Sorry to cut you. No, no. Not because it was like messy or people or like rappers' names. No, I was just a really good conversation.

that I don't think you get sometimes when there's three cameras, lights, and you're seeing people in the background. Like, yeah, it's different. How do y'all question for y'all? How do y'all feel about the podcast space? Because, like, again, there's really no system of checks and balances and y'all should either, right?

For sure. So. That's our checks and balances is Demeris and Peach. Okay, there we go. There we go. But like a guy could just get a mic and turn the screen on it and start a podcast tomorrow. Oh, have a blast. Try.

Go ahead. I mean, I'm not, I'm not. That's how I feel about the music shit. This isn't an arrogant thing whatsoever, because I know there's, I have room for improvement with everything. But no, that doesn't scare me that anyone could just go get a microphone at Best Buy and start talking. Okay.

If you guys think it's that fucking easy, do it for 10 years. Let me know, let me know how far you get. That's how we feel. That's how we feel. That's how we feel. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, I like the fact that people are trying something. Okay.

I'm never mad at that. Like, you know, I think that, you know, I think that, you know, we, wouldn't be where we are if we didn't try something. So, you know, it's always room for people trying. I think that people need to understand the consistency that it takes, though. And, you know, in order to sustain a certain level of longevity is just the work you have to put in. So I'm not, I don't, you know, people podcast pop up every day. I love it, man, because sometimes you'll find something like, oh, okay, I like this person's opinion and their point of view and things like that.

And sometimes you can tell, like, this person is just. swinging, just trying something. You know what I'm saying? And again, I respect all of that. So I don't feel, I don't feel no type of way about that. I just, I hate when I see rappers start podcasts, because I already know what that's going to do, they're going to be like, oh, if I could make money doing this, I'm not putting out music no more.

And it's like, no, but we still need music, though. Just losing the time. From certain people, we need music. Like, yo, you need to keep putting out music. We see it with the athletes going into the space, too. Sometimes it works out great and you're Tony Romo. Right. Sometimes it doesn't.

Right. And that's going to happen within rappers and musicians doing podcasting and vice versa. Like that's, some are going to work, some aren't, but that's, it's a booming space. That's what's going to happen. Yeah, that's true. And I mean, yeah, you're going to end up on the rolling loud stage. Right. Eventually. It'll be a cool month. Eventually. Will you maintain it? I don't know what to tell you. No, that's true. Because I mean, when we did it, we hit every single stage. Right. We did this shit live. Like, we did the underground rapper ascension.

with podcast. Yeah, y'all took the stairs. Like, we've been on the road for six years straight doing the shit. Like, that's why it's a little different with, even if our core fan base is not as big as the click-baity person that has it that month, I know our core comes from 10 years of podcast. Like, they've been with us. Like, Paul, we've touched people in every city. Like, we did what I think the big three rappers did in the beginning of their careers,

but in a podcast space, which I don't think content creators view it that way anymore. And maybe you don't need to. But that was our grind, and I think it paid off better in that way. Okay. Than just, you know, saying the wildest shit in your crib with a microphone. That's true. So, Kyle, what's next, man? Ball's Not Dead available now.

You're hitting the road. You're hitting the stages? Yeah, we're planning the show. You really just working on the next project. Bar's Not Dead. The series just comes from, like, us getting the album together. I just want to put some music out there, put some raps out there. I love the rap so much.

That's just like, let's put something. into the world. Yeah. People to listen to. Who are you waiting to rap with, though? If you haven't rapped with you. To be honest, bro.

I kind of want to rap. I want to rap with a lot of people. I want to rap with niggas like Dot. I would love to rap with a nigga like Cole. I would love to rap with a nigga like Hove. I don't know that. I don't think that's ever going to happen, though. Put it on the whiteboard.

But, yeah. Yeah. It's possible. Yeah. I just, you know, niggas is getting older, man. I want to rap. I'm gonna rap with Montaleo. I think she's super tough. I like her.

Who else? I wanna rap with Tyler, the creator. Fuck with Tyler. That's attainable. Yeah, facts. Nobody from the city? From the city? I feel like I wrapped. I just, from the city, I already got shit coming out with people from the city that I wanted to rap with. We got this thing, me, Fergie, Bimo. Ryan Witherspoon. It's a lot of us. We're about to put something together.

I like Ryan. Is he from Brooklyn, too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like him. We got something that we're putting together. Yeah, I would love to rap with Future. I think that'll be fun. Okay.

Really? Future, Pluto would be fun. I would rap with Carrable. Like, I'm into stuff like that. Okay. People wouldn't think it, but you're getting the call with me. I'm probably not going to play what you think I'm going to play ever. I'm going to sound like a hater.

I still don't get the Carrible thing. I'm even trying. It ain't for everybody. I've tried to do. I've even tried. I would just want to do it just because. Yeah. I don't want to do it.

You feel me? Like, I'm open to rapping with anybody. Yeah. Just for the sake of me just showing off for one. For two, like, just to say that I did it, like, that's rap. Let's rap. I hear that. Do you prefer the Atlanta scene or New York scene music was?

Because, I mean, you bet in both. New York scene, for sure. New York scene, it's just, you can just go anywhere and it's just there. Atlanta is like, it's kind of like the who. who's a little bit. Like, you gotta know where to go. Because you can go places. You can end up in wrong place a lot of the time.

That's a fact. New York is just like, maybe it's because I'm from here. Like, I know where to go. I know where not to go. I don't want to go rather. Yeah. It's just like,

I know where everything is at. So it's easier for me on that scene. I'll hear that. I like that. Well, Lake, man, we appreciate y'all for pulling up, man. Drama. Hopefully you're somewhere healing up. Todd Cash, Bar's not dead.

Available. Appreciate your brother. Get that stream that. Real rap is still alive. Bars are not dead. Thanks. We appreciate your up, man. And next time we're in Atlanta,

we got to come pull up on y'all later. No, absolutely, man. Come here to actual project. Looking forward to it. We'll be announcing our new label home real soon. Looking forward to that. Okay. Yeah.

Keep streaming, spend that. Keep streaming to spend that. Keep streaming and spend that. Shout out Miami. Is the GZ residency over? No. We just added 9. dates.

In Vegas still. Yeah. So there's four dates in November and there's five dates in December. I got to catch one. We're supposed to be in Vegas in November. Yeah, I got to catch one. Yeah. I love to have y'all out.

The F-1 shit? I got to send you all the dates, but I love to have you all out, man. Yeah, man, I got to, I got to catch one. Because I thought, I saw, was Braun at one of the shows? Yeah, so he, so the last date that everybody thought was August 22. Okay, that's what it was. Okay. He got the key to the city in Vegas and then Braun, um, announced the other nine days that he had. Okay.

So, yeah, the last date is New Year's Eve at Planet Hollywood. But, yeah, that's been amazing, man, just to... I got to catch one. I mean, I went to the one at the Apollo. Oh, yeah, this one is 10 times beyond it. Like, what he did, just from a production standpoint, like, for real, just shout out to the team. Shout out to him.

Shout out to Naima. Like, bro, they... Just what's built... It's so hard to explain, bro, but it's really refreshing to see it. You know what I mean? Because, again, you're in there in the tuck. Lexedo saying the most gangster shit ever. Yeah.

That's why I gotta catch it. I gotta see that. It's amazing. That's just such a cool thing to see. And we bring somebody out every week like you never know who it's gonna be. You know what I'm saying? I saw LA Lake for the first time at the Apollo. You did.

LA Lake. You did. No, listen, I know. I was about to say who that? Like, that's how I know Lake. Yeah. I saw LA Lake against security. And I was like, oh, okay, my bad.

I wasn't familiar with your game. I didn't. I didn't. We don't ever want to explain. want to expose that part, man. We want to be a cool business man. Yeah, at all times, man. It's still tough in here.

Always. Yeah, always. Yeah, always. Yeah, always. But we definitely going to catch one of them Gizi shows, man. We're going to catch one of the ones in Vegas, bro. Can't wait. That's Kai Cass, Lake Sheezy Generation Now, Bar's Not Dead, available.

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