New Rory & MAL - Episode 546 | The Splitz! w/ Kurupt & Daz Dillinger

Episode Date: September 17, 2026

Two legendary members of The Dogg Pound, Kurupt and Daz Dillinger stop by to chop it up about Kurupt’s new project, the forefathers of gangsta rap, and Snoop Dogg buying Death Row. Daz addresses ghost producers, and the guys share stories of Tupac sessions, early Death Row days, and much more! Kurupt walks us through his journey from growing up in Philly, to becoming a legend in West Coast rap, as well as the obstacles that he faced to get there. The duo shares their favorite new rappers, and their takes on Lil Durk and Keefe D’s trials. Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://www.boostmobile.com/promo/25-foreverSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Rory. Rory today. I don't know, man. This is legends, man. Yeah, but this is, I don't know if you really know, though. You're a little too young for this here today. a little too young. You just missed this here, but today... They had such a long run that it overlap to my young ass as well. When I was really outside, my young... This was like these were them guys right here.

Today we are joined by the legendary, and I mean that in every sense of the word, the legendary, DPG, dog pound gang, Das Dilinger, corrupt is in the build. Happy to be, yeah. Listen, man, this personal ties here, you and my big

brother hop are really really close um but aside from that man just having y'all here today for me is is big because growing up in new york um y'all was some of the first guys that made or took new yorkers to the west coast just through the music and the lyrics and kind of gave us the vibe so having y'all here today for me to really kick you with y'all and ask questions that i always wanted to ask you and dad's already said ask whatever you want we talk about whatever so we're here to talk about it. And to give more flowers more, I came on this podcast after the Rock the Bell's Cruise. Yes.

I had the opportunity to see you guys perform live on the Rock the Bell's Cruise, and I'm not just saying this because you guys are here. I said it right when I got off the vote. It was one of the greatest performances I've ever seen in my entire life. I had so much fun. Thank you very much. That's what we try to do. Have fun. Yeah.

That's... How was it, though, for guys like yourselves, you know, being veterans in every sense of the word, to still find joy and pleasure in performing and creating and writing music so many years later. Like what part of it still keeps y'all engaged wanting to do it? I mean, you know, just being active, just being for the love of hip hop. You know what I'm saying? When we wasn't rapping and watching people rapping, like, you know, his idol, Raq Kim,

he got a new album coming out Friday. And that's his idol, you know, just us inspiring. each other and longevity. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And making a business out of it too because that's what they made it out of and that's what we're playing a part of.

But hip hop is such a, you know, for all intents, it's such a young genre. Yeah. Just now turning maybe 52 years old. To see the guys like DPG that was in it from when, you know, hip hop became this global phenomenon to years later being what it is, how much of it do you still,

love about the genre or do you find things where you're like I hate that it turned into this and then now was this when before it was really more about just the love for the art and the passion business and points and splits and all that's what makes yeah yeah the splits the splits the splits is going to always take away some of the passion you know what I'm saying so it's just about getting your house in order and making it happen you know what I'm saying and just uh while we keep on doing it is encouraging the young you know I'm saying. And, you know, we always welcome into young because we like teachers, you know what I'm saying, make it happen.

Because we got kids and they're growing up and they liked the music too. And they're asking that. So, you know, we just embrace that, you know what I'm saying? And that keeps us out there and keep us young. Now, how much of it in having children, right? How much of the music do they put y'all on to a bring to y'all now where y'all like, because when I was listening to DPG, I had to sneak and listen to y'all niggas. Like, I couldn't play that shit out.

I had to sneak a listen to doggy style. My mom took the tape away for me about three times. I had to go to my head. The jackoff hour? She wasn't feeling that. And what's crazy is, no, yeah, the jack off hour was crazy. But, you know, when doggy style came out, I told her a real time, like, I literally had to sneak to listen to that.

And hear what y'all got to understand. Now my mom is the biggest snoop fan than I am. Like, she loves Snoop. So I'm just like, you didn't want me listening to the same guy when I was 12 years old. And now you love Snoop. Right. Now being fathers and having kids that, you know, are basically supporting a new generation. How much of the music do y'all hear from that when y'all like, what the hell is that?

What are y'all listening to? Yum, yom, yon, yon. What the hell? It's all good. Long we got a little base too. Y'all like it, right? Yeah. It's all good.

Let me continue to watch TV. It's good to y'all. You know? Yeah. I love it all, you know what I'm saying? It's all elevation for hip-hop. you know as time as time

changes so does the music it changed for us when we came our sound was totally different than before us so you know the transition keeps going on but you know it's all in the name of

hip hop these are all branches of hip hop right now with that being said because we talk about that a lot too we do need to categorize some of this newer stuff as something other than hip hop though like

we get that from the tree, but it's different branches, like you said. Like, it may not be hip hop per se, but it comes from that foundation of the beat, the MC, the rapping, and things like that. But a lot of this new stuff today is not rap. It's not hip-hop. I think they all have their own name, right? You got trap.

You know what I'm saying? They come up with their own names. Yeah. What else is, Der Delmar? Strip club music. Yeah. That would be trapped. That's trapped, you know what I'm saying?

Boom bap. That's the poem of hip-hop, but it's its own. Back-back, rather. Similar to when gangster rap came out. Right. Gangster rap? Who do you all you consider the forefather to? A lot of people, me personally, I would probably say iced tea.

Most definitely. Y'all know more about it than I would, but would you attribute gangster rap to iced tea? Ice tea. Oh, yep. Ice tea was one of the first. Ice tea. I said one of the first gangster rappers he ever heard of was Schoolie D. Schoolie D.

Philly. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, you know, Scooly made PSK. Absolutely. The nice T made six in the morning. Right. And, you know, and I was listening to Scully D.

Yeah. What does that mean? Right. So, you know, people see, you know, when you look at gangster rap, you know, it's, you categorize it as the West Coast. We took it to that level, but School E.D. was, you know, gangster rap is basically speaking from the streets. You know what I'm saying? Ice T was like Scully D.

was the first gangster rapper he's ever heard. So like speaking about the streets and being hard like that. You know, Ice T is key. And then, of course, you got Eric in them in W.A. You know what I'm saying? But Ice T is definitely your forefather. And it's funny to seeing, you know, again, just with a guys that, whose music was deemed so dangerous

and they wanted it to be banned seeing what Snoop is doing now seeing what Ice T is doing now seeing what Dr. Dre is doing now what Ice Cube is doing now it shows that you know the genre of hip hop we can start from here

where people be like oh we don't want to hear that or that's dangerous and the youth shouldn't be listening to that but if you give these guys an opportunity to show their talent and just give them outlet years later looking at what all of these guys just like a plan The fruit it grows.

Right, right. Now, let's go to the beginning. Corrupt. You were born in Philly and you moved to the West Coast. Do you feel like you left Philly too soon to have kind of like a connection to Philly rappers or like Philly rap? Do you feel like you left too early? Or do you feel like people can attribute corrupt as being?

Because Philly is one of the cities that produce some of the best rappers when it comes to spit. Do you feel like you? left too young or would you say you still are a part of that lineage of Philly rappers? No. I'm from L.A. Okay. Yeah.

Philly created me. Oh, right. Philly taught me to Mike and gave me my beginning woo-wop. Actually, let me take that back because that's when I first started battling was Philly. So, yeah, I am a part of that lineage. Okay. You know what I'm saying? because that's where I first started battle rapping.

That's where I learned my freestyles and how to battle rap in the first place. That's all Philadelphia in 2-5. So it's like, yeah, I'm a part of that lineage. I would have to say, period. Because, you know, I'm a 72 baby, and I got into hip-hop when I was eight. Right. So from eight years old, all the way to 16, it was all Philly knowledge. And then moving to the West Coast, the way.

as Coast grew me into being artists, an actual professional artist, hip-hop artists. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, definitely. Now, you said about the freestyle, I know that's how, you know, just knowing some of your history, that's how you and Snoop kind of connected was battling each other. Yes, sir. From what I read.

Yes. They say that nobody could really got the better of anybody. Right. But what was the tone? Like, what was the tone when y'all look? Because it's all peace and love. Like, yeah, you nice, you nice. But, like, walking away from that,

did you feel like he nice, but I got him? No, I really didn't. He was the first one to actually last with me. I was just chopping people's heads off left and right. No issue. But, dog, it's crazy. He's such a simple style. But, you know, it was simple.

but slick. You know what I'm saying? What he's rapping about, everybody around liked it. What I rapped about, everybody was like, oh, they liked it. They just loved both of us.

And that's the key to the battle. Yeah. Is who controls the crowd. You see what I'm saying? Whoever spits the shit to make people say, oh, you got them, you know. As I got him like that,

dog got him like that. I'm like, oh, shit, okay, well, bam, and then dog got him like there. I'm like, oh, okay, well, bam. And then dog got him like that. I'm like that. I'm like, damn, to the police gang. That's when we just said, Snoot came in, fuck it, start rapping about us. You know, if we make it, if I make it, I'm going to come get you.

If you make it, you come get me. And I bounced off of that. And we went from battling to camaraderie. Right. At the end of the day, you know, I left like, damn, he extra tight. That's the, I don't know about this one. You know what I'm saying? I didn't get that type of, you know, that feel you get when you want,

And you know you won. Yeah. Because I was slaughtering people off of just two rhymes. Right. First time I come in, bang. And it's like, oh. And they would say something. I wouldn't get that out of there.

Bang and it battles over. Right, right. With dog, it never stopped. He just kept complimenting what I was, it was sick. Now, you just said with two rhymes, because it was a thing back in the day, as rap as as and emcees, y'all used to take three, four rhymes and tour the whole country. It's a rap. And, you know, because we didn't have the internet, so we wouldn't hear what you spit on the radio in L.A.

Or the radio in Denver. Like, we wouldn't hear that by the time y'all got to New York. Now with, you know, social media, because, you know, a clip that always go viral is of game. And, you know, red rose white ceiling. Yeah, right. Like he said, but he's acting like he don't know what he's about to say, but then they're showing a clip of. You said that in like 30 battles and 30 freestyles already. Right.

I'll get you now. But now it's like with the internet, we can see that before when y'all was out there, We would never hear those bars until you came to our time. I said the same round, 50 states. Right. So I got to Canada. And then you had to switch it up? Yeah.

See it like that. That's the type of theory that I'm hitting what you're saying. Yeah. But now it's like you have to, you spit this round today. It goes viral. The whole internet hears it. It's like, as the MC's like, shit, I got to write another 80 bars because they don't want to hear this no more.

Right. So is it tougher today? to be like, looking at the emcees, like, I got to respect them because they got to have more in the clip. Right. Because now they shoot a clip, it's viral as gone. That's if they're going 50 to 60 bars. Right.

Non-stop. Right. You know, shit. I mean, you're talking about battling or are you talking about... Just wrapping. Right. Yeah, just having bars as an MC. Because now once you put it out there, it's gone.

Well, you know, that's the whole key. See, you never... goes out there. So I think that, yeah, you got to have your game extra stepped up nowadays. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's one of the credits I give to them now because they writing constantly and constantly have to be on their A game.

You know, I freestyle. So what they got to write all the time, I just, I ain't got to write shit. Yeah, ain't nobody. That's fresh. Every rhyme is different. Yeah, they can't. That's not. happening on me. Every time. Yeah. Freestyleing. Yeah. That's go. Yeah. All the rappers are on

perkinsets. They can't freestyle on perkinses. No, you can't. You might not sharp enough. Mask off. Yeah. What was the full circle moment with Snoop buying death row and you guys putting music out on death row again in this era? What's the difference been with that? Difference been? Just the different been. No, I'm signing the death row. So, You know, the difference is I'm doing it with family. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, we're all more mature now and we can enjoy it more.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Now, Dad, I can't quite remember, but I feel like you and Snoop might have had a moment on social media a few months ago. Yeah. A little back and forth about the business of death row. Like, what conversations did you have, not going into detail because that's personal between y'all? But like, where does things stand now with Snoop with DPG with Defro? I mean, you know, we're still doing our own thing.

He's doing his thing. I'm doing my thing. We're doing our thing. You know what I'm saying? And just getting to the business. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? For longevity, you know what I'm saying?

And that's what we're doing. We just ordered him. That's it. He gave us to that was the very piece. He's doing our thing. He's doing his thing. Everybody goes to do that. How? Why?

Yeah. In total. But have y'all had personal conversations to try to get things to a better space? No. Is that something you're open to? Am I open to it? Yeah, open to have a conversation and sit with Snoop. After I handle all my business, then, you know.

Back to the splits. See? See how everything goes? Hip hop is beautiful. The splits. The business. The business. But music, it gets in the way of the music, the art, and personal.

friendships, family, relationships, which is something that... But if you did the work, you did the work. Yeah. Why do you think, and we kind of talked about this on the boat, why do you think producers are usually the first people to get fucked over in this whole

process? Like, why has that been the case? Because they're not on stage every time. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They're not here. When you knock the beat off, you ain't got to see you no more. You know what I mean? So that's... Yeah, but without that...

There's no music. But we already got the beat out of you already for what? $7,500? Yeah. $1,500, $200, $200, $200, $50 a beat. Right. We got what we want already. Now we're going.

You know what I'm saying? Now you've got the big whiz because now the artist's got to make the deal for the album and the distributor and everybody in the publisher and all that. They want to cut too. The manager want to cut. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah.

The engineer want to cut. Yeah. You know, I'm like Kanye talked about it on his first album, the concept. We've heard about ghost writers, but Kanye was, I think, the first person to bring up ghost producing, which I think he kind of falsely accused D-Dict of that, and D-D-D-D cleared a lot of that up. But we do know ghost producing exists. I was shaking with Mike Dean, he was telling me, you know, when I was looking at Kanye, it's like 500 writers on them songs. You know what I'm saying? the money chopped up.

Especially if you got a publisher that he's going to take half, and that leaves you with, what, a half a percent? Yeah. So I know what you're talking about, you know what I'm saying? So that's why I just register all mine and get it together, you know what I'm saying? Did you run into that early, though, where maybe a producer had a name and did, like, one thing on your beat, and now of a sudden it becomes produced by somebody else?

Well, Dr. Dr. Dr. I wasn't to say that loud. Yeah, you know, not really, you know what I'm saying? Because I really just put it all together myself and then present it. Yeah. It's already done. You know, you learn that from growing up. So that's just a lot of things that you got to learn.

Yeah. Coming up in this game. Trial and error. Yeah. Right. Mistakes and all that shit, you know. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

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Okay. Having fun, you know what I'm saying? And him teaching us a little thing about the studio like, you know, progressing and making 10 and 15 songs in the day instead of listening to one song all day. You know what I'm saying? And so knocking him out and then going back and revised and doing all that producing shit.

You know what I'm saying? That producing shit. How you're in there all day? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that'd be on those. studio ethics, you know, what you're doing with your time in the studio and how you can progress more by the way you utilize your time in the studio. So he's heavy on that, taught us a lot about that and staying on the ball.

You know, you're just sitting here wasting time. Plus it's $1,500 for the studio, $500 for the engineer. Back in the days, it was $250 for the tape. Yep. The two-inch. Right. No pro tools, none of that. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. So it's a learning experience. And now it's just a click of a button. You're all over the world. It just depends on if they like the artwork. Right. Like who you dating? So like Ambitions as a rider, I am mad at you.

Did you do those on the spot with Pock? Or did you have like a beat tape? How did that process go? You know, I make beats in the morning. Okay. So I had made a couple of beats in the morning. You know, some old school. Stuff like, you know, and then she'll call me, say,

Tupac coming in, what you got? I got something, you know, we go to the studio and we job, Ambitious of a Rider. So Ambitious of a Rider set the tone for every other song that's fin of come on. Right. You know what I mean? So if it ain't that level, it ain't getting on there.

So everything else was tune, tune, two of America's Most Wanted. I ain't mad at you, scandalous, and I ain't mad at you. You know what I'm saying? And my mind made up. Yeah, got my mind made up with Meth red and Spectre Dex, so, you know. So that was all within, like, a few days? That was all in two days. That's a crazy shit.

To me, that's the craziest thing ever. Like, you could knock out five classic records in two days, like. Man, we used to knock albums out at night, man. They got $150,000 cash on the independent. level and we go on there and knock the hole out. We're walking out of there six in the moment with the money. You know? That type of fit.

You know, when you got to go get it, you got to go get it. Yeah, but that work ethic is insane to be able to do that. But not just, we talk about classic records, though. Yeah. Like, how were y'all able to just create classic records in a day's time? Like, that's

almost like unheard of. Just having fun in there. enjoying each other. That's about it. Having fun. You know what I'm saying? Like when y'all hanging out, you know, I'm saying?

We didn't even know what we did, but we did it. Right. You know what I'm saying? And at the time we created music there that we don't even know going to be a classic. Or, you know, we ain't even thinking

about no classics. You think about watching the store and getting some drink and something. Right. And it made it what it was worth. You know what I'm saying? And so that's what it is right now, you know, making classic music without knowing.

Yeah. That's those classics. are different. So now I've got to ask, like, it ain't no fun unless the homies can't happen. Like, what was happening in that session? Oh, wow. Corrupts it.

Oh, wow. Because to me, like, you could put that, in my opinion. We argue about this a lot of, like, if aliens came down, what song would you play to represent rap music? To an alien. To me, that's in the top five of, like, This is representing. This is rap.

Yeah. I can show you exactly what hip hop is in this one song. Right. What was happening during that session or putting that record together? We were just having a time of our lives, man. It's just fun, joking, clowning. You know what I'm saying? Bagging on each other.

And just the beat just set it all. Yeah. From there, you know, Nate laid that hook. It was a rap. I mean, when he comes on there talking about, and you even blick my balls. It's like, oh, what the fuck did he just say? Oh, my goodness.

And if you can't. You just know what? That night. He just say the craziest shit. It's like, oh, is that right? Nate. You know what you going to say? Corrupt gave a fuck about a bitch.

I'd always be broke. I never have no motherfucking endowed as well. I'll tell you the truth. I used to have to sneak to listen to this music. And looking back, it's like now, what we hear today, this is not like, Nothing crazy. Nah.

No. This is what we here today? We're just having fun. Incredible. That's like us listening back in the day when we was listening to two live crew. Right. I used to get in trouble for listening.

Hey, pop, listen to this. What is it? Put it in there. Hey, we want some pussy. What the fuck is this? This shit out of my car. Doodoo Brown. Yeah, yeah.

I guess you would play that shit. Mom coming in there. Dink it in the air. Pop. You doing listening to that devil's me. Turn that up, boy. And then y'all made the most gay shit. You know, my mom and his mom, we were heavily in the church.

You know what I'm saying? My mom was heavily in the church, you know what I'm saying? So what was your mother's reactions to dog style? To one of the greatest albums in hip-hop history. Be careful, baby. Give the Lord his prayer and his grace. We took our mother. the Grammys.

Yeah. Okay. 95, we got nominated for a Grammy. So, you know, just to have an accolade and say, damn, mama, we're going on to the Grammys. We did something. We made something great out of this. We ain't in jail.

Right. A day there in the coffins. Right. Right. You'd rather us doing this. Yeah. You would rather us doing this. You would rather us do it.

Well, can't you talk about the Lord? Right. Make one for me, baby. Talk about the Lord. One time. All right, Mama, I got you. Um, let's talk about the, uh, how to, uh, the four horsemen came about, with you, Raz, Kass, Killer Priest and Cannabis.

How did that, how did that come to fruition? Throughout the years, you know, knowing each other and, you know, it was me and, uh, me and Raz, you know what I'm saying? And cannabis, you know what I'm saying? And killer priests, just knowing each other and chopping it. we will always be around each other and chop it up. And finally we just, you know, it's like me and dads when we came in with the dog pound, you know, just one cool thing.

So we're going to, you know, come out with this right here, you know what I'm saying? Because I already had my name. I'm the headless horseman from the door. Sleepy hollow. Right. You know what I'm saying? So we all was like horsemen. We, the horsemen's coming from the apocalypse.

You know what I'm saying? And with all the horses, we like, that's us, man. We're the apocalypse. And then bam, you know, we came up with it from there and just cracked. Friendship and camaraderie does it all. Rastcast is one of the other guys from the West Coast. I feel like that doesn't get spoken about enough. Right, right, right, right.

When we start talking about just MTs from the West Coast. Yeah, buddy. To me, he's one of those guys that's like, you can't overlook the skill set at all. We're talking about West Coast rap. Right. To me, Raskat is definitely one of the most underrated out of the West Coast. I agree. Because he's sick. Razz has always been sick, and he didn't have nobody to stamp him.

Like, you know, me and Daz had Snoop and Dr. Dre. You know, having those behind you is just... Ratskazs were living with J.Z. Jay Z. He was living with Jay Z. What year was that? Back in the day before they even started, Rockefeller. That's what Memphis Bleak was saying.

He lived in the apartment with his cousin. who's cousin? The Jay's cousin. And he got drunk. And Jay told him to battle. He got drunk. And then before, right. And whatever.

Back in California. He's back in California. Like I said, he didn't have a stamp on TV. And Dr. Drake. The Rask guys live with Bhop? I don't know if he lived with Bhop. I don't know. That's what he said.

He lived with Baha. That's what Bleak said? I bet Jay's cousin gotta be real then, yeah. Yeah, man, Raskads told me the story because I called him and asked him right when I was looking at it on YouTube. That's crazy.

Do you see that? That story was just wow. Just back then, the skills got him there. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I never knew that. We got to add that to the list of like when J.D. told us like,

yeah, no, I left eye used to just sleep on the couch in my house. Yeah, like, it's just random stories like that. It's crazy. Back to California? You should hang out with a little thing out. Hell yeah. Had fun or where I. She introduced me to Atlanta.

In Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? I stayed at Lisa's house in Stone Mountain, posted there. And, you know, Lisa's family. She taught me also how to get off of death row. Okay. Yeah, she did. I mean, that's what they did with her.

She would have the tools to know how to get to fuck off. Yeah, she gave me that game. That shit worked like a child. Yeah. I said, good job. Kereva, you heard Janay's new album? I have. It's incredible.

Yes, it is. Really, really good. She stays on her A game. I mean, she's one of the best writers. Yes, indeed. I know you've been on her projects in the past. How did that relationship form between you and Jene? Well, you know, Janais is from my neighborhood, the Overhills.

So, you know, her work with Nip and her work with, you know, she's, did work with Drake, you know, in the beginning. But she was always writing and doing things and staying in the scene. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I never was around her then. But then when she began to win, you know, it was the worst. She dropped that one right there and gave it up. Sloss and how, and I was like, oh, is she from the neighborhood of the castle?

Right, right. Boom. And just running around across her like that, you know what I mean? her and Mila Jay and Hustah, you know, Hustra. So we all just clicked anyway, you know,

and became family. So, you know, it just, you know, being from the same neighborhood, you're eventually going to run into each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That voicemail you did on her. That shit was hilarious. Never called me? Yeah, buddy. I made, I gave her that a year before she used it. And then when she was working on her album at that time,

she called me and said, you know, I threw that. that on my album. I was like, damn, for real, yep, I'm gonna put featuring you. I said, damn, good looking. I'm not looking. That was just sending you some encouraging. Yeah, right.

Good looking. I'll take it. You know, just checking on you. Right. How, um, so how did the Rakim Master Killer God body, how did that process start? Me and Master Killer for years was trying to collaborate, put something together ourselves, but you know,

due to our schedules, never really happened. So M80 facilitated it and brought, you know, the facilities for us to be able to work. We did Be Ill for Ra Kim's album and we chopped it with the R. And I was like, you know, he broke down so much of his history of producing and that he used to be a DJ. You know, he DJed and he produced records and all the records that he produced with him and Eric B. And I was like, wow. So, you know, I didn't know that. So I said, what do you think about producing me and Master Killers album, doing the whole thing?

Because a lot of people don't know your producing side. You know what I'm saying? You know, this is, be a great opportunity to show your talent as a producer, producing the whole project. So he agreed. And then the more records was making, he just said, no, you know what? He said, no, I'm not just going to produce it. I'm in. It's going to be ours now.

So, you know, he's stamped and, you know, basically like, these is my killers. So this is amazing. Being stamped by the guard. Right. You know what I'm saying? He's leading the ship on it. So I was like, wow. I look at this album like, you know, Raim's Chronic.

You know, he produced the old thing. He's busting on some and letting the artist shine. That's under his wing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's a pleasure. Being in that close of proximity, like you said, to Rock Kim, who is, you know, this doesn't, this hip-hop thing doesn't exist and doesn't have the longevity it has without Rock Kim. He's like a mythical creature.

Yeah. Like being in such close to me. Right. Working with him. Cracking. How does that, how does that be in the MC yourself, like to watch him still, you know, be able to kind of perfect his craft this, this, this many years into the, into the art? for him. Being in the studio and working on, how does that affect you as an emce? Well, you know, I came from the era where you had idols, people you idolized.

And Raqin was one that I idolized. I let it be known in many, many of my verses. You know, my idol, Rakim never jokes or why should I like, you know what I'm saying? Raqin, so seeing him going, I'm just happy that he's, you know, still going strong and enjoying yourself now, enjoying, you know, the mic like he did back when he was young, you know what I'm saying? He's back out. He's having fun and it lets me know that I can still do that too.

You know, rock and roll and country and all these other genres of music, there's no timeline on making music, you know what I'm saying? R&B, soul and all of that. But with hip-hop, they always try and put a timeline. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? You're too old and, you know, retire and all the rest of this type of stuff. And, you know, it's just Rakim is showing you that's not real. You know what I'm saying?

This is just like the mother Janja's. You do it until you just don't feel like doing it anymore you can. Right. Yeah. We talked about, you know, just seeing what somebody like Jay-Z is doing right now 30 years after his first album and selling out stadiums and Paris, London, in New York and L.A. that is, you know, to me, because when no, when Jay first put reasonable doubt out, I don't think anybody that heard it saw 30 years label, was looking 30 years down the line,

and would then say this could be played in a stadium. Right. It wasn't deemed stadium music. Right. But now, you know, legacy acts like Jay, like Kanye, are now starting to show that with this genre, with this type of music, we can sell out stadiums around the world, which shouldn't be far-fetched because it, is probably the most impactful and influential genre around the globe. Yes, it is.

But just to see it from guys that have been, you know, again, Jay's 30-year anniversary for his first album. Right. To be doing that now to have, you know, rock him and corrupt and, you know, Master Killer putting out new music. It's, to me, it's starting to set a tone of let's do away with that theory that rap can't age gracefully and that after. certain time we have to kind of fade away and disappear like we can still do this to a high level we can still sell out stadiums you know we can still inspire the next generation that there is a certain art form and skill set that we should always keep attached to hip hop not saying y'all can't develop these new branches and have fun and make your own you know blaze your own trail but the foundation

has to remain of hip hop and it has to you know show the next generation like think about 30 years from that where your music is going to live. Right, right. Well, you know, it's called making history. And that's one thing hip-hop has been doing since the beginning of hip-hop is showing adversity. And, you know what I'm saying?

Like, just breaking the odds. The odds has always been against hip-hop in general. And now it's bigger than country and western, bigger than rock and roll. The biggest form of music is hip hop. It's in everything, you know what I'm saying? Where you would put rock and roll into hip hop. Nowadays, they're putting hip hop into their whoop.

You know, it's hip hop and everything. So it's like, you know, Jay and Kanye, you know what I'm saying? They're showing the same thing like Raq Kim, you know. There's no timeline on this thing. You know what I'm saying? Hip-hop is like artists, hip-hop artist is like fine wine. You know, it gets better with time and they're showing that. Where before, you know, the artist would stop.

Yeah. You know, you grow up and you get into other things and, you know, you look at hip-hop like a youthful sport. You know, it starts with the actual artist. So, you know, this whole thing about retiring all that is because that's what we've been seen. Right. Since the beginning of time.

You know, you rap for a certain amount of time. You grow up. And now it's like, you know, that's for the youth. Yeah. It's a youthful sport. So, you know, you get older, you got children, you got responsibilities, you got these things, and you wasn't getting that pie. Mm-hmm. Where now you get that pie and you can feed your family for the rest of your life through hip-hop.

Now it's a career. Right. Before it was a hobby and fun. And then it went from there to, you can make some. some cheese. Mm-hmm. And then from there, it came to, it's a career. Right.

And that's where it's at now. You know, it's an actual real career that you can live through for the rest of your life to, you know, Wobop. So, you know what I'm saying? Get the splits right. It changes. You got to get the splits right. You know.

Yeah, get them splits right. You don't want to be. That's the problem with back in the days, they splits wasn't right. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? That's why they quit. Like, man, first of all, I got to pay these bills. Right.

Kids, these cheese ain't, they ain't know about the splits. Really like that. So, you know. But, yeah, you got to get your splits rights. You got to keep going. You know, we learned from U.S. too, and Rolling Stones. George. Arrow Smith, you know what I'm saying?

Lose a cow. They make more money touring and merchandising and having good management. They get some all these endorsements and stuff. Then the actual record label makes. And they sell diamond. they go in diamond which is over 100 million bucks and these guys off of touring

is making more money than the actual record label. Rock and roll and everything showed you, you know, it's like Mc Jagger said, man, this is all rock and roll. Even hip hop, it's rock and roll, man. It's about making a hit single

and when you tore off that single, make a hit album, you tore off that album. The record label's coming to you hey it's time for a new album shit man i'm i'm scheduled to tour for the next four years right right you know what i can't stop my i'll let you know when we're ready to work yeah you know i'm saying because i'm not stopping i'm getting like what 2.5 million a show touring for six months out of year two months off and then back touring again Jesus merchandise through that and getting all this cheese they want you to do another

record because they went through they 100 million. Like a nigga, a hundred million I made that and damn near one month two months. Yeah. Got a hundred million coming in. He's merchandising and touring and all they're going to say is with the splits kids.

You know what you're like fuck your splits, man. Why don't even give a fuck about the splits now nigga? You want to fuck your splits. Just give me this little piece you want to get me cool. That's why I'm making another album for another 10 years. I'm going to be on this motherfucking road. You can have all that shit.

That shit only goes so far, nigga. I'm making a hundred million in two months. Right. You understand me? But we need that new album. Fix the split. I'm out of here. I'm back on this motherfucking road, nigga.

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One more throwback question I have for y'all. Do you remember the day y'all heard CNN and My Bob deep, L-A-L-A. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, we heard this. We've seen the video first. Oh, so the video first, before you heard the record. Yeah.

That's the first time you heard the record was the video. Yeah. And we're just looking like, you know, they're looking like, you know, they're supposed to be me in the truck. I'll be honest, I ain't really noticed none of the shit. I ain't, I peep it all out, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, look, they said they made L-A-L-A.

Watch the video. Damn, okay. But they had to switch the beat. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, all right. I heard when it was the first. I said, we stars, Kyle.

That's what he asked when he said. We stars if they did that. Yeah. Stars, my nigga. We're going to be best of friends as a today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. On my mama. I mean, listen. No reason. No reason.

My corruption album. Yeah. Okay. Yep. We can freak it out. Stevie J. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

But, no, I mean, it did hurt us when Snoop came in and kicked over buildings. Like, that did hurt us a little bit. It hurt us when we y'all shot at us. That shit, that is really... Somebody said, too, he said. We're from Brooklyn and we don't even go to Red Hood. We didn't go to Red.

Man, what the fuck was y'all out there for? We're like, we don't even know out there. Yeah. Yeah, you shouldn't... Yeah, I don't think y'all should be... Whoever suggested Red Hook to shoot anything? Yeah. Man, that's like...

It's like one of the worst private... Coming out to California and go shooting in the jungle. Right, exactly. Like, what you doing here? Why would you do that? Jesus, that was us. We thought we was chilling, like, New York going to love us.

Yeah. This shit, because this is New York hook, New York type of lyrics, real lyricism on you. We're going to respect us now, you know what I'm saying? Like, oh, he just really busted. Yeah, yeah. You ain't got me. They're going to love them.

He's like, man, they're going to really love us, you know, because I'm really busting on here, you know. Yeah. And that's what happened. They really started busting on them. I'm like, whoa. Damn, that's not. That's not what he was going for.

Let's get the fuck up out of here. God damn it, man. Oh, man. Then we went home and then, you know, the building start falling. Yeah, yeah, okay. I mean, we was hard, no. You know, so we wasn't that hard, okay? Yeah.

Diss New York and then go out there and shoot them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We wasn't that, you know what I'm saying? Like, no, okay, you know. But, you know, we got home, we were just upset just fuck it you know what

all right and we just did what we did now being from obviously you know born in Philly and being there

until 16 years old like how did you feel in that moment of the whole you know quote unquote East Coast West Coast thing

did you feel torn like damn I mean I'm from the East Coast I'm from Philly but these is my family these are my people

this is who I'm eating with these are my guys like how did you feel in that moment going through all of that that. Just that way. Torn?

Well, no, no, I wasn't torn at all. You know, you know, really to me, there is no East Coast West Coast War. The media pumped him up. So therefore, I'm like, I ain't tripping off of none of that shit.

But I got a ride out with the homies. Regardless, so, you know, that was more or less what it was, but I really wasn't conflicted. It was like, you know, it is what it is. And I was more a part of it ain't where you're from, it's where you're at. I was brought up that way, you know what I'm saying? It's where you're at.

This is where I'm at. So this is where I'm at. This is where I eat. This is the family and whoop. I called a Philly like, you mad at me? Yeah, Rick, man, you know what I'm saying? You're like, you mad at me? You don't be mad at me, God.

It's funny bring up the Philly thing. I've argued with young Guru because we always have our top five Philly rap debate often. Because Guru's from Delaware, which is, you know, closest city is Philly. So he has a, you know,

a lot of love and respect for Philly. I always put you in that top five and then he always makes the case to Corrup as an L.A. rapper. Who is your top five Philly rappers? Of course. My top five? Yeah.

You know, I'm old school, so, you know, school E. Mm-hmm. It's key to the game. You know what I'm saying? You know, of course, Beans. You know, beans is sick. You got to go back. The Little Army that was with Swiss.

Cassidy. Cassidy, Cod. Mm-hmm. And of course, you know, the thought. I mean, that's without saying. Yeah. But, you know, also, you know, I can't lie. There's a mixture here because Malik B was so stupid.

And then there's meek. So, you know what I'm saying? Then it was dice raw. Oh, come on. Yeah, dice raw. So many, I'm saying. But what is it about Philly that produces, like, because Philly is just known.

Like once you hear rappers from Philly, you almost inclined to be like, I let me hear what you're saying. Because it's just a certain, a certain thing I think Philly rappers have to go through and live by in order to break through and to be recognized.

Like, what is it about Philly in particular that emcees and rappers just seem to always have a certain, like, respect for bars? You know, with Philly, and of course the Act Nicholas one, you know what I'm saying? But the thing about Philly is

the swag of it all, you know, the slickness of the lyrics, the connections of the words, the way we say it, you know, it's just real slick and real, real, real sly. You know, that was the whole thing about Philly and made us different. Because we would, the way we say things was just totally different. You know what I'm saying? Where, you know, New York has its own style. Jersey has its own style. Philly style was slick, you know what I'm saying?

It was real playful with these words and connecting them. our style of delivering our rhymes, which made us totally different and which made me stand out so much in the West because the way I worded, word played it. And, you know, the style I got from Raq Kim by using these certain kind of words and slickness in that combining words that you wouldn't really hear, but also, you know, that with the Philly style is all what made me. So, you know what I'm saying? Philly just has this talent about them.

You can hear it in the R&B lane, the soul lane, all around there from, you know what I'm saying, a flow of tree, you can hear it in Jill, you can hear it in the Philadelphia sound. You know what I'm saying? Patty, you can hear it in all the genres of music coming from Philly. There's a certain wham to certain soul to it. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Das, give me your, now, Hop always.

you know, when we start to my music and West Coast producers, he always told me about the story of being in the studio with Quick. And he said, DJ Quick is the only person I ever seen in the studio touch every knob on the board. Who are your most, I guess, underrated producers out of the West Coast? Underrated producers. Who you feel like don't get the just do, don't get the... I mean, DJ Poop put a lot of work in.

from Ice Cube All that You know what I'm saying And like Yeah Africa I mean Africa Islam From Ice Teat

From that first album That Um You know There's a lot of producers You know what I'm saying Even Dr. Dre before he got started

You know what I'm saying From the record crew And I've just figured out I mean I found all the underground records he did before like killer dating. I didn't know he had a little part of that, you know what I'm saying?

And just a whole bunch of underground producers as myself, you know what I'm saying? Because back then it started fading out from the DJ. Right. And then it started getting into a little producers. And then it just all rap now. Yeah. All the, you know, the artists now. So, you know, and that's where producers start putting their tags on there.

And that's what really kind of helped out. producers, you know what I'm saying? It all depends on where you got the tag for them. Who's their name? They want their splits. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So, and the problem with the producers and what you just said, got to do with splits. Right. So, but shout out to all the producers out there, you know, from analog to digital. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I like them both. One of the producers we was told my off mic that I feel like doesn't get, obviously West Coast legend

Battlecat When we start talking my West Coast producers Those that know, no, no, obviously Battlecat is a legend But I feel like He doesn't get talked about Enough when it's like

You know, what he's done over the years You know, is incredible And he doesn't, to me, get to Just get thrown in the conversations enough. Obviously Classic Records You know, he's a big part of the sound out west, but I just don't feel like he's one of the guys that, you know,

you talk about. Quick, too, though. Yeah. I don't feel like Quick gets talked about nearly as enough as he needs to be. I look at it like all of us, we're still playing the game. We ain't got time to be talking about the highlights. Right. While we're still trying to win in this game.

You still playing. We still in it. I don't be looking at the highlights. I'm still trying to make highlights. Right. Right. So, you know, that's one reason. Now, on another note, you know, obviously with everything that recently happened, how did you feel on a personal note with everything about, you know, the whole Tupac trial and, you know, years later, somebody, you know, obviously being found guilty and convicted in that case,

like me and Rory talked about it. And the tone seems to be, you know, the actual person, the trigger man, you know, allegedly died years ago. So nobody's like, but now that somebody is finally being held accountable for that entire thing, like somebody that obviously both of you had a personal relationship with Tupac, how do y'all feel about that whole thing? I really don't. It ain't going to bring the army back. Right.

You know what I'm saying? So, you know. It gets everybody, you know, everybody got an opinion. everybody get mad about this and that and that and that. I just leave it alone, you know. I know where we stood at with him. You know, we miss him and do everything. I just hope his mouth.

Yeah, you where he's at, you know. Hope his family, I mean, Tupac's family, I hope they found some closure and happening. Some peace in that, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, but, you know, me personally, I really didn't pay any attention.

They got so much attention for the wrong reasons. Yeah. So it's just It's really irrelevant You know what I'm saying It's just The way they put it out there Wasn't really for the justice of it

It was more for the The television show Content It was relevant to me That shit was all just constant Same thing with the dirt trap It's more outside Than inside

And they're fighting outside Right To get the content Who's that dude? Trap Lord or something They're on his ass He asked security, everything, you can walk in over.

I did see a clip on YouTube short to him talking. On the first day, I had one security. Second day, I had two security. Third day, had three security. Because you want some fuck shit. That's fine. You should probably stay home. You don't need to be out there. Especially in that way too, but... Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, you know.

Yeah, that's, I mean, as a Tupac fan, I felt like it was a circus and for theatrics. Like, I didn't think there was any real justice that was happening in that whole thing. I think it was for a prosecutor to try to bump up their position in Vegas. I thought it was planned, though.

Everything happened around September 7th to the 13th. It's a circus because that guy has been running around for seven years on microphone talking about this shit. Now you decide to do it. It's for content. It's a circus. Yeah, most definitely. You know, and also, there's no statute of limitations on murder. Yeah.

So they're going to come and get you. They're coming to get you. They're going to come and get you, man. Y'all Whitey Ford. Right, yeah. They ain't put that on television. Yeah. You see what I'm saying?

So, you know, it's like, you know, it just turns into a circus, man. You know what I mean? The bottom line is I just hope the family. Family, yeah. That's a move out. Hopefully the family find some peace in that. And, you know. Yeah, because you can see it really hurt the outlaws a lot too.

Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yaki's gone. Fatal gone. Napoleon's gone. Yeah. I mean, not Napoleon, but Noble. Yeah.

Noble's gone, you know what I mean? So, Eidie and Napoleon and Kate Castro, you know what I'm saying? That was all they had. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They lost a father for. figure and best friend. So, you know, I hope all of them got...

Find some peace in it. Yeah. Peace in it. Yeah. Yeah. Same. All right, DPG, Wu-Tang, the God Body LP, Rakem, corrupt master killer. Again, man, I want to thank y'all for everything that you've given us.

Thank you. Throughout the years. Thank you for having us. I think you added to this. Dog Pound, Snoop. I mean, you know, again, y'all were the guys that took us to the West. coast first before we ever physically went there just listening to y'all watching the videos y'all showed us that the other side of the country like they they got something to say and you know

we're similar in a lot of ways right right right y'all weather is always better than our weather but as far as you know just the culture and just the hood and everything like that y'all were some of the first guys to show us that you know the L.A. to West Coast that you know y'all was over there doing y'all thing. And I want to thank y'all personally for everything y'all giving me in my childhood through hip hop, through music. And it's great to see y'all, great to have y'all in here, great to see y'all doing y'all thing.

You know I had to bring dads to... We did. Yeah, we prize. Yeah. They said corrupt was coming. I looked up, I saw Dads. I was like... You know, people thought we was feuding. Because, you know, he's over at Defro, and I'm over here doing, you know, all that. Put all that to bed.

put all that to be. Bad, that, bad, DPG is still here. Yeah, you know, we touring and,

you know, getting the stage and, you know, giving y'all 30 years worth of good music, you know what I'm saying, in an hour or two.

Right. Yeah. Rock. We got some play. None stop. You know what I'm saying. We're just chilling and, you know,

you never know, you know what I'm saying? We might get back on that stage. Might get back in the studio. You know what I'm saying? Dad's always cooking. Yeah. That's one thing.

I'll be dropping albums every two months. Oh, my mama, though. Independently, though, you know what I'm saying? Pressing it up. You know what I'm saying? Taking it back to the essence and pressing my own records up, you know what I'm saying? And going directly to the consumer. Yeah.

And I'm saying? And because the DSP, we ain't making no money off of that. Yeah. It's $0.0.000. Yeah. You sent 10 million, 10 billion streams, and you only got $15.994. Right. After everybody took their splits out.

Splits. You know what I mean? that's the word of the day, y'all. Split. You know, and all the things on how you spell split. Split Z. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's P-L-I-T-Z. Yeah. Splits. That's the street word. It's not going to work in the college. Splits. You didn't understand that. Yeah, computer rejected it.

Yeah. Now, I swear I went to Wendy's and I talked to a computer to order my food. I said, the first thing I said to myself, oh, everybody, fire. Yeah. Ain't no more job.

Everybody fine, and they got the order right. Yeah, yeah. And they got the order right, yeah. Yeah, for real. Yo, that's the dog pal, dash diligent, corrupt. Thank you, man. We love y'all. I'm that nigga.

He's just ginger. Peace. And they got the order right. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast? Here's what you missed. People wake up and go, oh, damn. Wait a hold up. They change all of that.

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