New Rory & MAL - Episode 66 | "Bagpipe Drill"

Episode Date: May 13, 2022

You asked for it? You got it! 30 minute deep dive into Kendrick Lamar's long-awaited single 'The Heart Part 5'. The guys also discuss Jack Harlow's release and give their reviews, as well as all the new music that dropped (whether they listened or not!). They revisit Sabrina Claudio's cancellation, Kevin Samuels' death, and all the critics who insist on the boys discussing the Megan x Tory case, + more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to another edition of New Rory and Maul. I am Maul. I'm Roy. And welcome back, man. We've had some time off from each other's.

Good seeing the gang. Yeah. Yeah, our conspiracy episode we filmed last week and I feel like a shit ton of happened which I was kind of happy that we weren't recording it was just too much of

too many people reacting to things in real time and I'm glad we could just relax for a second I never want to I don't like reacting because I don't react like I read shit I see what's going on and I understand the severity

of a lot of things and a lot of the things that have and understand the entertainment and it you know and understand if it's funny or not I don't like reacting I don't like being the first to react because sometimes you're wrong.

For the life of me, and I don't want this to come across his hate, but it's going to come across his hate, but I don't mean it in a hateful way. I'm really just asking because they are so successful. The YouTube reaction world, like the actual, like they'll put something up and then they'll be in like the corner screen,

like, like why do people love that so much? They like seen personalities. That gets so many fucking view. And shout out to them. It's working and they're very good at it. I don't understand it because I don't particularly care to watch someone react to something that I'm trying to react to. Well, a lot of people will say our podcast is us reacting to the culture.

But I'm saying like the five minutes after it happens, they're in the corner of the screen. We're not like breaking it down the slap again. Yeah, I mean, I haven't even seen it yet. So I'm like, where's the original? I can't hear it over this person's voice. I think it all ties into people just falling in love with certain personalities. For sure. And they want to see certain personalities react to a certain.

things. I'd watch a Rory reacts. It depends on what he's reacting to. Maybe on Patreon we could try to do some... Yeah, I want to do a Rory reacting to like... Pregnancy scares. Well, yeah. Like, not real news things. Real life things.

Or live birth videos? Like Rory reacts to IRS bill. Oof. You, y'all should have caught my reaction when my account told me what I had to pay in taxes. Oh, yeah, I should have caught my reaction. You know how Trey was in Boys in the Hood, swinging at everything in the house?

I was swinging that all kind of shit when I hung that phone up. I was like, nah, that's all right. It's all good. My dad fans said Joan got furniture. Remember them girls that used to live in Miami and sew pussy? What was it? Oh, uh, the revolutionaries. Yes, God.

They started this wave. Taz Angels. Yes, they said you're in having to have furniture. That's what we need to do. Where are they now, Taz's a dog on you? That's what they said? Because when you posted a corner of your house, I guess. And they were like, damn, no furniture, just vibes.

I was cracking Just vibes is funny We call that a minimalism Yeah Where you put no furniture I would never show people My house I would never show them

What I want to show them A bar It's not really a bar Because even if you Listen Because even if you showed them Everything you have You still have something to say

Oh for sure That's the couch you got 100% You picked that rug Did that ever happen Sorry Martha Stewart Why didn't you come over And

Why didn't you come over and Teach me some tax fraud Yeah like Yeah like Teach him not pay these fucking taxes while you had it. So, yeah. I don't think I've, I've only shown my house and close friends.

Yeah, as you should. I mean, of course. I've shown your house, definitely. They just, they just, they just, I think they just sent something out about the list of people from MTV Cribs when it wasn't really their homes. I think somebody just sent that out. Like, they found that out. It was like, what, 90% of them, right? Yeah.

It's a crazy amount of people. Like, that was not their home at all. Did we talk about that? Or maybe I was some other product. It's something that just came out. Maybe two weeks ago. This is no shot at Jha. But Jai Rul's was the funniest because clearly he was just renting a crib in Miami for like the week.

Yeah. He was going through rooms and didn't know what was what. He was just like, I think this is a living room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does anyone know where the kitchen is? Like, clearly it was a party. I think this door leads like upstairs. I think you get to the roof from here.

He's got luggage laying around. Yeah, but, yeah, so. I mean, why wouldn't they show their own cribs? What's wrong with that? I mean, it's your crib. That's true. Back then it was harder to find shit. Now I feel like MTV Cribs, they would find your crib.

No, people will find your Crip. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, the people are going Zillow and all kind of shit and find Crip. But yeah, certain things just need to be private. You know, you shouldn't know with my family where we rest and party and eating. I don't know. Some things just need to be. And we have firearms.

Yeah. So legal ones. But yeah, it's been a crazy week. To say the least. To say the least, for many reasons. But we'll talk about the reasons that the culture seems to be infatuated with at the moment. First, your week off. My week off.

Our week off. Yes. My week off. Had a week off. Some things happen. It seemed like the culture. Are we to blame? Like, did things just get out of whack once we kind of took some time off?

Do you think Kendrick dropped when he realized that, oh, they doubled up episodes this week? So they have a conspiracy one coming. They can't react to the heart. I think Kendrick knew that he had an opening. It was a void. He needed to fill. Because we were gone. Since Florian Mall were no longer, you know, we weren't around.

We weren't recording. We weren't in the studio. He snuck in the studio and created a beautiful piece of art. Part five? It was not music. It was art. That was all the tweets I was saying. Yeah.

It's art. It's definitely art. But why can't it, music is art. Why can't it just be music? Uh, yes. Why can it just be like the highest caliber of music? It's art. It's just like if somebody said, that's hip-hop.

Well, what music isn't art? Well, your Irish people love to play the banjos with skirts on. I don't think that's art. I thought it was those. Bagpipes. Yeah. I think that, I think they were just drunk and just decided to go out. If you don't tear up just a little bit when bagpipes are coming down the street, I don't think of heart.

I don't tear up. I'm crying because my ears are bleeding. I can't fucking hear myself. That's like our. our saxophone. Like the way people get like really like into their feels when the sax is playing that's our sacks.

That's your sacks? Yeah. And it makes sense because it's the bag so you might as well call it a sack. But what's... Hey. It should be a... Why isn't it like sack flutes? At least with other cultures, they'll separate their music

for different occasions. Irish people play the same bagpipe song at funerals and celebrations. Yeah, graduations. Like St. Paddy's Day parade. They'll play the exact same song. they played at my grandfather's funeral. Yeah.

It's like you don't know. Am I happy? Am I sad? Is this drill bagpipe or is this fucking? I'm sure it's coming. Drew bagpipe. Italian drill is out. That's just on fire.

Drew bagpipe is on the way for sure. We might have to do it. You might need to lead that like that whole movement. I don't know, man. You should find the first bagpipe drill artist. I'm really nervous to be around anything drill related or anything Eric Adams related. Oh no, they're coming. See, and this is the thing.

Like I sit on here. We joke. We laugh about a lot of. things, right? And I tried to tell people, say, oh, damn, I ain't a lot. I'm all been saying the same shit for you. It's a reason why I'm consistent in my story because it's always happening. It's the truth. We see it. Y'all playing these games. You're running around, shooting shit up, drilling, what they call it drilling and all this other shit, spinning the block. Do y'all think that there are no repercussions for spinning the block? Like, do artists really

think that drilling and putting in work and all this is just going to go away, disappearing to thin air and it won't be no repercussions for this? Well, the iron is. after you commit the crime, you should get away from the block. Not spin back. Yeah, that is true. But even if you get away from it, people never forget. They know that gun went off in 2012 on this block on this street at this time, and they're going to find out who did it. Oh, and I saw that viral tweet that they stole from our premise of us saying when your girl lets you get your cheat on for years, builds her case.

It's like the Rico charge. I was like, look at the thievery. This is what we're here for. I want my Twitter royalty. We're here to feed the culture. Let's feed the culture. Where's my pub on your tweets? Even if they steal the art from us, Roy?

Let them have it. Steets got to eat. Well, let's get some organization. Where do we want to start? I want to start with Rico. Do we want to start with Kendrick? Do we want to start? Let's start with Kendrick.

Start with Kendrick. Let's start with Kendrick. First of all, uh, salute to Kendrick. Just his career, just watching where he started and where he is today is, uh, it's just beautiful. The Heart Series is probably a, great representation of that.

Go listen to the heart part one of even like the first few words he says. And then it like felt planned. Yeah. Like very intentional. Yeah. Of where he knew the five would be. It's, uh, Kendrick is just somebody that it's obviously aware.

He's a somebody that pays attention to what's going on. He's a, he's a true artist. He uses, you know, things around him, things that's happening as inspiration, as motivation to create and spread a message. And, uh, you know, there are very few artists that are able to capture that and put that into the type of music that we like as well as Kendrick Lamar.

And first of, and just the Marvin Gaye sample, let's just talk about. Let's start there. One of my favorite, if not favorite song of all time. Yeah, it's, I don't know if a lot of people know how hard it is to clear a Marvin Gaye sample. You can ask for real. Forget clearing a Marvin Gay sample. How hard it is to sneak one by. Yeah, like, it's not.

something that many if any can do. They've lost lawsuits of the Marvin Gay Estate being like, yo, Marvin thought of that one time. Yeah. It's not even out. He never recorded it, but he thought about it. So give us our shit. It was just the straight up, I want you drums.

And the lyrics. Yeah. I don't, it's, that's first of what I said, that's just, that's just a nod to Kendrick and the respect that he has from the Marvin, from the gay. family for them to clear that sample for them. To me, that was just a flex on all you other artists and rappers. Like, y'all can't do that. And then the message, the imagery, you know, the story and how everything made sense.

It's just the epitome of somebody taking time with their craft and taking time with their skill and putting it together in a way like that. It was just refreshing with everything going on. You know, everything that's oversaturated in the industry now. It's just dope to see Kendrick still be unique, still, you know, try to be so different, but still like this shit is dope. It's not some people are different at times and you don't get it. It doesn't connect.

It becomes weird. It's like, all, he lost me. He's just trying to be different and it's not weird. Yeah, well, Kendrick is not forced. It's a natural thing. And he's still rapping at a high level. Like, it's not. What did you think of his tone and message in the song?

felt very conflicted it it was weird I couldn't tell if he was critiquing it explaining it bigging it up

or saying how fucked up the culture is I think he was doing all of it yeah I think that's the I think that's the dope

part I think he did all of that I think that you know he recognizes where we do dumb shit but then he's like

but that's the culture you know what I mean like that's just It is what it is. I come from these same neighborhoods. I know, yes, we know we shouldn't be doing the things we're doing. We know we shouldn't be saying some of the things we're saying in our music.

We know that we shouldn't be doing. But we do it. You know what I mean? It's like I know, I understand. I'm, you know, I've done it. But I've also changed in a way where, you know, it's like now to me I'm doing more of, or what Kendrick is doing is more of being somebody that's trying to, one, lead by example. He's doing things independent.

He's doing his own thing. He's moving a different way. He's controlling his art and his music and his catalog. And also trying to, you know, just be a family man, you know, live right and do right things and create opportunity for his community, his neighborhood, and, you know, give back and those type of things. But still show skill at a high level, like, you know, don't think because I'm on this path that I'm still not sharp depending.

I still can't do this at a high level. level because I can't. Yeah. What'd you think of the face-changing shit? Amazing. I thought it was dope. I thought it was, you know, it's different. It's, you know, we've, I mean, we've seen that in videos before.

I need to get in touch with that company just for any time I fuck up, like, change my face to somebody else. On camera? Yeah. Yeah, that wasn't me. Even the mannerisms of, like, how the face moved like each person, like, I could get out of some shit if I just had that technology in my laptop. Mm-hmm.

Like, we might be on to something for social purposes. You all remember the first time you've ever seen that? Because the first time I saw like a deep fake is what that's called is a Forrest Gump. So the first time I saw it. Yeah, I guess that's true. And they put it on like the presidents and shit like that or like John Lennon. I think Forrest Gump might be the first like actual historic first time that they did it. And shit like that.

I think Michael Jackson's black or white video. Black and white, yeah. It was the first time I remember seeing that. Which came first? Black or Jackson Black or white Yeah I think that was the first time

I remember seeing that That one's more like Morphing though But it's still the same concept It's the same concept It's not the same body Just the face change I know what you mean

But that was the first time I think we saw that In the music video If I could remember And of course it would be Michael Jackson to do that For sure He was the first to do a lot

Visually with his music videos But when you look at that Like I For example Look at Independence Day now When I watched Independence Day It was like This is the craziest graphics

of all time And then Avatar came out. And then you go back and look at Independence Day. You're like, this is probably the worst graphics I've ever seen in my fucking life. So, yeah, watching Forrest Gump now was ill. But now it's like, oh, yeah. They tricked us. This shit, you could commit a crime with this technology.

Oh, hell yeah. Was it Marlon Way's Little Man? Yeah, but even that, if you go back, you could see the drastic difference between what Kendrick did on this and what Little Man was. Yeah, it just takes all. It's a long process. It's a long process. You guys shoot in a certain way. And then you got to make sure you capture those images.

And mind you. So, yeah, they got the, let's say they got the eyes, the mouth, or anything. But it's also blending the skin tone. Yeah. Because not everyone's the same skin tone. Yeah. That shit is crazy. No, it was, it was dope.

Like I said, it was definitely Kendrick, to what he did, in my opinion, is he took another jump. The choice is in people, I think, outside of just this technology. because I think Kanye put out Life of the Party video the same day with the same technology. He did it differently with photos. It was more like pictures of him and then like his mouth and eyes just moving. Active.

Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was interesting that he chose, yeah, for once he started his bipolar bars about the culture. I thought it was hilarious that the Jesse one was like, you know,

I'm in the streets. Yeah, like I'm a part of the culture. Like, I'm willing to be so down with the cause that I'm not even know. up a whole story like, yeah. And again, that's showing that Kendrick is in touch. He's aware he knows what's going on. And he's also having fun with it.

Well, I mean, he started with I Am All of You. And I love that he kind of like woke up out of shit, like as if he was these people and thinking like that and how intertwined we all are with our decisions. Yes, we could judge Jussie all the way, but we all have made shit up. We've all done some shit we're not proud of. Kanye, we all do to some degree suffer from some type of mental health.

I have never, like, ran from a crime scene in the back of somebody's car, though, so I can't relate to that. We all sin differently. Yeah, we do. We do. Let's not compare sins. No, no, no, I'm not, no, I don't want that to come in. Brother Mall. I'm definitely, I'm definitely not comparing since.

I'm just saying, don't say you sin better than me. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying I can't relate to hiding in the back of the rover while the homie is doing 80 on a freeway. I just, I never did that. I also don't think I would see Mall come out of a subway. I, if I would only judge. But I mean, I think it's weird when we're going on all topic here, but I think it's weird when New Yorkers eat Subway sandwiches.

We have like real delis. It's the strangest thing in the world. Yeah, it's like, bro, we have real delis. How do I still see Blimpies in the city? Yeah, like, how is that possible? And Blimpies are still way better than Subway. Oh, great. Let's just be clear on that.

Any deli is better than Blimpies, though. Yeah, but it's like, there are real delis in the hood, like, where it's like, fan, why are we going to subway? Like, you can get a real deli from you. You know, it's when you walk by. Transplants and tourists. Yeah. But in New York City, if you're a tourist, you want to go to a real deli.

In my opinion, you want to go to a real delicatessen. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like you want to eat, go to cats. If you want to keep it, to me, cats is not even like, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, I like cats. No, I do too, but I'm talking about- It's just $17 and if you lose your ticket, you have to live cash is fucking crazy. You can't escape.

They literally, you have to live there, like, you can't, where's your ticket. You are in prison now. Yeah, you cannot leave here. No, I'll pay, I'll pay it. Yeah. Give me the ticket. Like, places like that. So you would never see me coming out of Subway in New York.

Other places, you know, I want a sandwich here. And we'll get back, but I like that we went on topic. What would be, what would everyone know would be the lie for a New Yorker if they said they came out of a spot at a certain hour? Because we knew Jesse was lying. It was in Chicago at 3 a.m. 0 degrees. You wasn't going to know subway. Subway. A little Caesars?

If I was at a Little Caesars, y'all would say I was lying? 100%. A little Cs? I got beat up in a little C's. What you were doing at a little Cesar's, bro? At this time, like, come on, cut it out. So, yeah, the Jesse Smolett thing was interesting. The OJ thing was interesting because that's, you know, I think what he was doing was basically taking big moments from our culture and saying, like, you know, all of this is connected.

We all make mistakes. We all, like you said, all send. We all do things. But at the end of the day, you know, we're not that different from each other if you're from this culture. Well, and so much of people saying OJ. wasn't from the culture at all, yet the culture was the one that supported him because he was, you know, trying to fuck

rich white bitches in Brentwood. I mean, who's not trying to fuck a rich white woman? I think that's the culture. Yeah, I think that's the goal. Like, OJ. won, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you want to get a rich white woman and just, you know, have great sex with her and travel the world. I did love in the people versus O.J. Simpson

when Johnny Cochran and O.J. are talking in jail. And O.J. Like, what did you want me to do? Right. I lived in the project. The guy didn't want to go to fucking Brentwood? What do they want for me? Some people have never been to Brentwood, so they don't understand. They don't get it. They don't understand like, bro. This is a whole different way of life over here. You know what I mean? And they're going to kill us for all that white remark, but it is whatever. Me and me in particular. Will Smith, hurt people, hurt people into that transition. I like that. It was all very much relevant to the most. It was all very much relevant to the moment too

and to Edens' point of how long and tedious it is to do that technology. To then also add in on the nipsy part with everything that's currently happening of him saying hey let's respect him while he's gone. Like just leave me alone. Yeah. Type shit

which was very current like down to the week of what it is. So writing that recording it and doing that video and then getting that out with all the moments that were crazy going on at that exact moment was fucking nuts. Now, I know everyone's been on Kendrick's dick

for the past few days, as they should. Pause. I want to bring up one point, though. Had any other rapper done the Nipsey part, I believe they would have been killed for it, not actually killed, but... The internet would have said... The internet, I think, would have said,

and granted, Kendrick fucking destroyed that. From his point of view, then from Nipsey's point of view, from our point of view... Amazing. Just that entire three point of view shit he did in that Nipsey verse was fucking incredible. The technology was incredible. His family loved it, which is the most important thing, Nip's family.

I just feel Kendrick, rightfully so, but Kendrick does get grace that we don't give other rappers. I feel like even if Cole or Drake did that, and granted, I know Kendrick has a much closer connection with Nipsey and they're from the same area to some degree. So it is better if he would be the one to do that. But they would kill any other rapper and call him a clout chaser. You're exploiting Nipsey's legacy. Like, I could totally see the internet and fans killing anyone but Kendrick Lamar. Literally anyone but Kendrick. But why do you think that is?

I think he's the one that could do it and get praised for it because Kendrick doesn't give us a clout chasing energy. Ever. He doesn't chase what is, you know, hot at the moment. He doesn't, he's not that artist. So I think when it's coming from a guy like Kendrick who you know respects art and respect, he just moves with a different level of respect in class. So even with that and his actual relationship with Nipsey and Los Angeles, even take that away or add that to another rapper,

I still think everyone's killing the rapper that does that. I just think we revere Kendrick so well and he gets so much grace that he deserves. but he just, I know they would kill any other rapper that did that. Yeah, but that's because... Anytime people was even putting Nip bars in their verses, like just a bar that was respectful, people was like, oh, stop, you cloud chasing. Stop trying to use Nip's name to get some shit up.

Oh, for sure, but... And people's like, no, that's my friend. Yeah, but you know, that's part of, that's just going to come with that. But certain people, you just know, you know that Kendrick doesn't need to do that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he doesn't need to...

I don't think Big Sean has ever shown clout chasyy things. before. I think Sean personally and publicly is a very respectable dude and does things with intention. I think Dreamville Fest was like a week after Nipsey passed, maybe a few weeks. And Sean did this beautiful fucking freestyle

live on his set. And it was posted. And I remember the comments of everyone like, oh my God, like he hasn't even been buried yet. Look at all these rappers, clout chasing everyone. I'm like, One, Sean knew Nipsey very fucking well. He gave an amazing verse that was revering Nipsey and keeping his legacy moving and talking about his family. I just feel like there's no winning when it comes to that type of shit. And Kendrick's the only one that can get away with it clean.

Yeah, again, it's just the level of art, I think, that people are. Now, the big Sean thing, you know, people are just... And there's some people saying that about Kendrick, too. I've seen comments people say, oh, they rapists just won't let nip rest. They're going to keep bringing them up and trying to use. So people are going to say that. People are always going to have something negative to say. I just think that when you're not an artist that, you know, jeopardizes your integrity and the art of what you're doing and things like that, which is, you know, Kendrick.

I don't think nobody that knows Kendrick's music or has ever sat in the room with Kendrick and kicked him would ever even think that he's that type of person. Oh, no, at all. Of course, we know that. came from a very genuine place. Exactly. So, you know, Kendrick is the person that, you know, will deliver it with the right class and integrity and taste.

And, you know, you just, you expect that from Kendrick. He's just one of those type of artists that you expect that from. Where it's like, okay, like, he doesn't need to do this for attention. Like, he's not doing this for a payday. He's not doing this for clout. Like, he's already that guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, he can do whatever he wants musically.

and with his art and people are going to appreciate it because he's an artist in every sense of the word. He's not here to just get clicks and views. He's not that guy. You know what I actually just realized? I know why Kendrick went with the Marvin Gay this time. Last time I'm with TDE. You got to pay for it.

Top. Go pay Marvin Gay. I'll be independent after this. I'll never do another Marvin Gay sample again. It's the last time on a major. Let me get all my Marvin Gay shit. That would make a lot of sense. sense. That's smart. I'm not mad at that. That's very smart. That's very smart.

That perspective just like now knowing like imagine all the samples that he might use for this time around. I mean it's not like he owes the label. It's not like he's in debt. I'm sure they don't mind paying at all for what that is. Real quick, I don't know if y'all were going to segue out from this, but did you all see the album art for it too? Him with the crown. Oh no, I'm sorry. I meant for the single itself. So for the single itself, it's five different hands. Each of those hands are from five different pictures of those same people who were in the music video of their hands.

Oh, back in way. Gotcha. Like that, that, even just seen that, I was like that. Yeah, like, that is fucking like to the team. But yeah, even on that, how did you guys feel about the, like, the actual album art? I thought the album art was dope. Well, I think the focus on this album, particularly with, him and Dave launching their new company that is very much creative and art directed and driven.

I think that's pretty much what the focus of this album is. It'll be music videos. It'll be single artwork. It'll be album covers. That's where they're going to kind of push the entire rollout to be of look at our creative company and what the fuck we're doing. This is our new venture. Yeah, we can rap, but this is this is visually what we're.

This is visually what we're at. I did like the album cover. I thought it was super dope. Yeah, I thought it was hard. If that is the real. Pretty sure that's officially the album cover. I don't think the heart will be on there. Also, which is why I think that might have been easier to clear.

Granted, is it on DSPs? Yeah, it is. Okay. Yeah, I just don't foresee them pushing the heart, whereas if it was a real single, Of course, it has like 70 billion views, but it's not going to be a single driven song where Marvigay's estate will be like, yeah, if this is going to be used everywhere, we ain't clearing the shit for the right price. I don't know, man. Again, I think Kendrick is one of those artists that's just respected at a very high level.

And I, you know, I think the gay family, you know, they probably was like, we like this guy and we understand that he just has, he moves with a lot of integrity. and, you know, things like that. So I could see them not having any real restrictions with Kendrick. Like, no, you know. You know what? This is another quick tangent. This is also why I'm starting to fully agree with everyone selling their masters. And I'm not saying this about the gay family at all.

I think they're good with what they clear and what they don't clear. I don't know if my great, great grandkids is going to have a good ear. Like, what if he's into some really trash-ass rap? And they start sampling all my stuff with terrible musicians. I can't put faith in his ear. to clear things and not clear things with my legacy. I'm selling my master's. And not only that, you know, with the streaming.

You don't know what your album is going to be worth. We don't know where music's even going to be profitable. So let me get this liquid shit and invest it somewhere else. Exactly. But predictions by the time you're hearing this, the album is out. So this is all speculation. But I'm never mad at doing the speculation the day before. And when people are listening to the album,

they listen to our bullshit predictions that end up being so false. And they can be like, I'm listening now, and that's the dumbest shit you ever said. I said it before I heard it. Yeah, it's fine. It's called living. It's called life. My first prediction, not an R&B album, but a very, very melodic, R&B-driven and feature-driven album.

I think that's the last pillar that Kendrick hasn't beat his peers in. He's done the sales thing. He's done the conscious thing. He's done the party thing. The melodic thing, he kind of touched on on damn. I can see him getting into the R&B shit for this album. Anytime you have a... And I want you was the first, not to say Hart 5 as a single,

because the Hart's never end up on the album. You're starting it out with R&B samples. I can see this going into just being an R&B album. To some degree. I could see it being a very... Not traditional R&B, but... Like, more of that sound. 70s-driven.

in R&B drums. With his, you know, melodies here and there. A lot of rap, though. I think it's a lot of rap on album. But to that bed of 70 sound, that music, those drums, those strings. With the kind of what he did with Rihanna on Dam,

as far as his cadence and his melodies and him kind of singing with actual singers. That's just my prediction on it. Anytime you have so-and-the-the. the big step is it's like you know this is like band this is like this is music like you're getting music you're getting a whole a whole set a performance a whole collection of you know well is it is it a double disc because that's what was teased with the two uh blank CDs with the well what's a writing disc anymore 30 songs I mean Chris Brown puts out quadru 23 discs yeah but is that even

a double disc at this point Chris Brown puts out a discography every time yeah like I don't even know what a double disc is anymore. Like, I download something. I don't have any disc. How do they do Scorpion on? I think they did. They kind of separated it as part one, part two. Like, when they line it up, we'll do like a part one.

Oh, yeah, as far as like in the track. Yeah, I mean, you can do one through 12 and then start back at one. Yeah, but that just means 12, 13, 14, 15 in my brain. I don't give a fuck about the start. Then what's the difference? You're just not switching the disc? Yes. That's exactly what it is.

Or I guess with Scorpion. But if you sequence two. different things and restart the order, all you're not doing, and if you got a seven disc changer, it changed on its own. Yeah, but it still was. I listen to life after death when there was eight disc shits, and it just went to the next one. Yeah, but the double disc thing is like, it's a whole, it should, it should be a whole different feel.

I didn't need to switch Blueprint, too. It just stayed in my CD in my car and it switched over. Yeah, but that CD switched to the next one. Double, we don't have that anymore. We just have, I should just play straight through. My phone is switching to, it's going to another stream. Yeah, another street. It's a whole different.

To another boat. No, I get what you're saying. But I mean, I hope, I'm hoping that the, the music and the vibe changes. Right. So that's kind of one. I mean, Scorpion was that. Yeah. So I'm hoping it'll be that.

I'm hoping it'll be like a whole different mood, vibe. Maybe you have more features on one disc than other, that type of thing. Do we do, who do we think, some of the features on album, if any. I think Kendrick will go young. I think Kendra go young R&B. But if it is two discs, I can see one disc with the big stepers. That being tied into him and Dave's company and the people they've signed,

whether they've announced them or not. I could see the big stepper side being P&G. That's not a compilation album per se, but like that's where the next venture starts. It'll be a Kendrick album on the first one. You might get a legend. You might get a young artist. You might get TD.

That second one, if that is the case, I could see being for the company. I'm going to go a whole different way. I think Kendrick has no features this album. Ooh. He's not really a feature heavy artist. Exactly. How many did he do on Dam?

Rihanna. Zakari. Zikari was on there. school was queuing them on there I don't think so they were on the heart three I forgot who was on the heart four even though it wasn't on the album

look at us not knowing things I love it U-2 was on there oh yeah it's a little feature Can't have an album without you two well no it just came with the album you just came with the album

Kendrick didn't know you two was on album yeah they just did oh no the song is there it's on your phone that you two pulled off that was some sick we have to do we know know what that deal was. I need a whole doc on just YouTube being him.

Yo, bro, y'all were the first artist that were like on the iPhone. Like, whether you want this album or not, it's on your phone. And then Hove got pissed and was like Samsung. Yeah, like, what was the numbers on that? Sell a million phones and I'll go platinum before I put it out. Like, what, I just need to know with the breakdown. I just like to hear the business. That must have been a nice bag.

Because you remember one, first of all, RP, the iPod. That should discontinued now. Oh, yeah, rest in peace, officially. Yeah. I have three in the box still. To me, my favorite, and this is just because I'm young. I know you old people are going to be super mad. I know vinyl.

I love vinyl. I collected too. I'm a hipster. iPod to me is the greatest, like, music device ever. Yes. To listen. That's not a hot take. Really?

You'd be surprised. A lot of people. The iPod changed the weight. The iPod changed everything. I know that. I'm not even saying, I'm not saying, per se, obviously in technology, we, we, know that. But I'm saying just in general of how a consumer can enjoy music, because you know, the vinyl people are like, you can hear the warmth. Yeah, that's the tape people. The tape people are like

you can do, like, they'll get into that whole bag and like, oh, that's a real thing. And like, even me, like, I, there was some dope shit about carrying around that big ass fucking thing of CDs in my backpack and like flipping through that shit and like having to listen to a full album because you didn't really want to switch the disc. Like, like, Some people would say they prefer that and that's the best way for a consumer to receive music. I just think the iPod is the perfect mix of all of that. It was the great change everything of even how I consume music. It led to, I think, some worse shit of how we consume music.

That's why I think people would argue iPod is not the greatest. It's the worst thing that ever happened to music. Well, it's two sides to that coin. It's amazing for a lot of things and it's bad for a lot of things. I think the fact that, because you got to remember when we had the iPod, we still had to transfer the music from our MacBook. Absolutely. Right? We still had to.

That's how we put the music on our iPod. You saw how to buy that shit. I did it from my Dell. Yeah. You know how long it took me to take my whole fucking CD thing and upload it to iTunes? Thanks. So it was great for the convenience. Yeah.

Now we have all of our music right here. We don't have to carry this thing around. You know what I mean? It's like everything is right here. So it made things more organized, more structured. 10,000 songs in your pocket. Yeah. That's same.

You can't beat that. That's like, that's a help. You know what I mean? That was a direct help for us, music lovers. Like, they helped us with that invention. But now with streaming and all of these things and you can download, you know, music straight to your phone and all of that, it's like, you know, people can upload their music right there. It's a little oversaturated now. You know, everything is, it's just a lot of bullshit and fluff you got to cut.

through now to get to the real art and the real dope shit. But, you know. What I was trying to get that with us is that, remember you two had their own iPod. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the red click wheel. There was a couple MP3 players. Yeah. That was all right at one time. But I'm

but even at least with the iPod, why I say it was like a perfect middle ground of it too. Music still had a tangible price. Right. Mm-hmm. Book a song at one point. Like you literally, here's $10, here's 10 songs. Like it was a fair trade, at least distro to consumer.

We don't know what the fuck was happening behind the scenes. But we knew that this song is $199 or this album is $10. And you had to buy it and it would be downloaded and then you owned the song. Now? And it was still digital. It still could organize everything. It was a perfect mix of both worlds that were in. It was the literally dead middle of technology and old music ways.

Now who the fuck knows? Now it's $10 a month and you get all the fucking music you want. That's kind of insane. Yeah, but it's still, the breakdown is still wild. It's still wild when you think about the breakdown. It's like if I'm listening to this artist, you know, for the month, like, why am I paying, why is my money going other places other than this artist? Well, title is, title changed their structure to some degree to do that.

Yeah. And I would wish. if I was, and again, the big artist should be screaming this, not anyone else. The smaller artists, even though it's still half a penny, it's like, well, at least I get the same as Drake. Right, which is insane. If I'm Drake, I'm fucking, like, wait, what? It's insane. It's insane. It's absolutely insane. But, yeah, so Kendrick, I don't know if you'll have any features on this album.

I'm going to just play Devils Advocate. I think there's going to be a Kendrick standalone project. I think he's going to play with a lot of sounds, a lot of different types of music and things like that. You need to hear Jay Rock. I could probably be completely wrong. He's probably going to have everybody on his fucking project. This would be his call. It's the big stepers.

It's literally stepers is like. Literally the entire industry. Yeah. So it's like, we might be on that shit. Right. And we don't even know it. But great job, Kendrick, with that, with that part five, that was a, that was

really dope to watch. And no, we didn't expect that. That kind of just happened because I don't know anybody that was new that was coming. No. And they took it down, I think, right when it was. It was up for like an hour and they took it down? So what had happened was is that Spotify kind of accidentally They have a thing called this is blah blah, exactly.

It's called this is Kendrick Lamar and then it will be the best of Kendrick Lamar tracks. In there, it's like, in light of his new single, the Hart Part 5, here's the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They saw that. They leaked it way too early and then they took that shit down. Got you. Everyone realized that and then they actually put it. Okay. That's understand.

I'll see why they took it down. You think it was an accident? If they do that with Kendrick, we're all fucked. Yeah. It wasn't an accident. Literally somebody has to push the button. Like, it's not an accident. The button is in Carl's house.

Yeah, somebody didn't fall and hit the button. Like, you have to, they type that out. You know what I mean? Like, those were they had to type in. Yeah, like, there's no accident there. But whatever. Well, I'm excited. I might even be that corny person.

Which is? Out of the year. I haven't done it in a while. No, no. That would have been sick. If he was calling it out of the year, he didn't hear shit yet. I'm going to do something much. It's like, now, that's sick.

I'm going to do something much worse at my. my age. I think I might stay up until midnight. That's corny. You are disgusted. You are disgusting of a man. There's no way that's going to me. Go to bed. It'll be there when you get up. That's what I'm saying. Now, if I start reaction tweeting, call my phone and come to my house to check on me. Track number two.

No, I'm just on follow. I'm just on follow. Did you hear the sense? No one's rapping over drums like Lamar. Oh, nah. Hey, and who are? No, no. One note. Like K dot. That's when you know I'm going to. Oh, Dot is back. Kung Fu Kenny's reality. His name is Kendrick.

You don't know him. Dot. Who calls him Dot? His friends. I'm not his friend. Dot. Come on. That man's name is Kendrick.

But yeah, I am looking forward. I am looking forward to this project. And fuck whoever one of y'all and y'all on the staff put the deep fake of me on Kendrick's. I woke up and saw. That was a deep fake. That was a deep room. O'Pitch.

That was real. That was a deep real. No, that wasn't real. They was calling you Kendrick Lamar. That was funny. That's very funny. That's very. Because you know how you spell Lamar instead of the R you put it's an L.

Yeah, I just want to say, uh, Pige, you don't catch out. I've been fired, Peach. Yeah, Pete is fired. He's no longer. He keeps coming back. I'd bless Pige. Working with us. I don't like waking up and seeing shit like that.

But yeah, I should, we should have came. You know what? We'll do it next episode. We should have came with like what mall's bars would have been in Kendricks when he switched over to Mall. Oh my God. We got to do that for Patreon We should do that for Patreon

We should do that for Patreon Mark got a little L.A. Leakers fame again Oh, he's on the blogs again? Oh, he definitely did. You know what's funny about me? Can we get this gentleman's name?

I literally I just be minding my business in the house de Maris, you know. Why do you say my name? Like, I didn't know. Because it's like you're the woman in the room. I feel like we can just connect real quick and it's just like

people just find a way. way to pull me into like just fuckery man and just like bullshit and I'm on instagram I was kind of you know off the grid for a last couple of days of grieving over the loss of one of my closest friends but condolour says yeah uh and I go on to Rory's page and I see him at in Bags like yeah this is a gym you need to so I'm like what is Rory talking and then I hear I'm like the video played I didn't catch it so I replayed it again and I'm listening I'm like did this dude's say mall like but your brother your brother posts like positive and uplifting quotes yes and like life perspectives and like how we should live our life and like yes we should get rid of you know

all the toxic people in our lives create our boundaries yes yes yes i figured that this gentleman was wrapping a jewel that i felt people should live by you connected to the bar i did okay and you guys are related so i was like this just makes sense to be going on Big's page. I didn't know, you know, he's busy. I don't know if he caught it. Okay. So he was making sure he called. Because, and he'd be, you know, he'd be on IG. So I was like, let me just add him so the world could really get this. She might have been for the streets.

She might have been for the streets. She might have been a little promiscuous. She might have been a little promiscuous. She might have been lying to my face. And I didn't see the signs. I was caught up. And then I even kind of knew, I still shouldn't be with you, but I'm going to fight through it. Sometimes there's just absolute red flags that tell you everything you need to know. Not going through a phone. Not going through a laptop. But you're like a bull. You see red flags. You run right to it. Oh, what? Yeah. Fucking, I'm six flags. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just that one factor that he said this wise man once told him.

My wise man told him, don't get too involved. And then that last bar kind of put me in my perspective and my situation where I could relate. I was like, you know, now that I think about it, what's the one common denominator with all these women that I'm having trouble with? I keep holding on. And I'm not realizing that all of them have money bags from all. But here's the thing. There's not a single wise man on this planet telling somebody anything about me.

Let's just put that out there. Like, no wise man is walking around with information about me saying, listen, if he's around, don't do it. Like, what? And then I saw the bar and I'm like, yo, is that a shot? I'm like, you're fair.

No, it's a realization. Listen, I think this is... You're the friend, all right, you're the friend, admittedly, that tells your friends like, all, there's more women out there. Like move on you. You can't realize that she's playing you.

Absolutely. He's saying a wise man similar to you, Nana. Nana is his name. Yeah. Shout out to him. His name is Nana. N-A-N-A-N-A. The L-N-N-A.

There you go. His name is El-Nana? No, I mean that. Oh. Damaris, don't do that to that, man. Yeah, I'm about to say, El-Nana. I was about we need to get in touch with him. That was my rap name when I was younger too.

We'll talk about that another day. No, we won't talk about that. Sometimes you just need it here. Sometimes you need things to be put in perspective. Like if I'm talking to you and you're like, though, like leave that girl. It's clear. We can all see it. And I'm like, I'm in love so y'all can't see what I see.

And like, you know, I really want to make this work. And then there's just that one realization. Like, do, look at her IG comments. They're littered with money bags. Sometimes you just need that perspective from your friend to be like, nah, you're right. I'm tripping now. You just need that one sentence.

And that's what this wise man was saying. But again, don't get too involved. Yeah, but she could be. Especially if she got money bags from all. But that's just wrong because she didn't get to. Don't get too invested in this woman. We know who she is. That's just a wrong message to send through your music, Nana.

You should not be doing that. You should be saying, like, yo, Maul has great taste. You're just mad you got exposed. No, I didn't get exposed. Everyone on the Internet loves to be exposed. Why does the Internet love that word? Bro, I'm just listening. I just like to give, you know, women, and not just women because I put money bags on everything.

Cars, sports. We've heard the line. Yeah. It's just my way of saying, I see you. I recognize you. He didn't say, don't buy that Toyota. He said, right, women specifically.

Yeah, but that's wrong, man. Because it's making it seem like, you know, like women that I leave money bags in the country as a whole. No. No. Oh, my God. I got money bags in my comments. Don't do that.

No, no, it's definitely not that. I mean, I don't think you are. He's saying don't trust or don't get too involved. Like, why wouldn't you get them too involved with a woman that? Because Maul got that. No, that's not what it means. In my opinion, I think it's basically saying you can't afford her. Like, you're not on that.

level, yeah, like, if Maul got his eyes on her. Okay, well, let me be the first. Let's also be clear. Nana was 100% calling them host. We can stop trying to like, that's exactly. Because I can let you know right now. Just because I leave money bags under your pictures does not mean I think you have money, and I know that for a fact.

A lot of these chicks are broke. The same way I would tell a dude that was dealing with a girl that be in the club every and be like, yo, have you a fun, bro. Like, be, do I, don't get too attached, though, because you know she'll move on really quick. That's what he was saying. That's what I'm saying. That's just wrong. Nah, no, no, that is wrong. It was a good bar. It was a good bar. I know he's

not really saying that. No, no, no. It's all in fun. I just laugh when I see that people really take time. And I appreciate it. Taking time out to write a bar and put me in it and the money. It's just fun. I'm just, I just laugh at it. It's a, it was funny to see that on your page because I didn't see that at all. I love seeing the comments on YouTube and they're like, money bags from all. If you know, you know. I just got it like, no. Just don't.

You shouldn't do that. You shouldn't, if you know, you know that. Listen, you are a part of pop culture. You ever see someone else do something like appear, do some ill shit? And you're like, you know, I got to step my game up now. Yeah, Mom. I'm starting to think, like, I have yet to hear any bars about Rory and oranges. Like, I got to step my shit up.

My volume game is terrible. I think somebody had a bar about you. No one is scared of the girl that has oranges from Rory. Like, oh, she's getting her daily dose of vitamin C. This is a health freak right here She might be wifey material If she's oranges from Roy Absolutely

Like all she loves to pick oranges in the morning And give you fresh squeezed juice Holy shit Also random I don't have any inside knowledge Not to think I would This could be the first project We get Kendrick in three stacks

Oof I said that I said if it was gonna be a feature It would be the features That I think he has Been probably wanting Yeah You said Legends, 3,000, Hove.

Because even three stacks, when that whole leak happened with Life of the Party and everything, he put out that statement. He was like, I want to put out more music. I want to work with Kendrick. I want to work with, and he named a bunch of new artists. Yeah. So. Yeah. Hopefully.

I mean, I definitely, you know, we want that. Yeah. You know what I mean? But other new music, Jack Harlow drop. Jack Harlow. How do we feel about it, Rory? Let me pull up Jack Harlow. Come home to kids.

First of all, I love the title with this album, Jack. Come home to Kids Miss You is a great title for an album. I want to start by saying I like it. Kill me in the YouTube comments now. Yes, I love it. I love when they kill the white boy.

I do like it. I like the production. And why do it, wait, wait, I'm trying to say something. But why do people kill you for liking something? Because you're this. Why is that the internet? Why you can't like something?

The internet is here to hate. There's nothing. entertaining about saying, oh, this was great. Gotcha, got you. Okay. It's more entertaining to tear people down. Yes. It's more, it's more, yeah.

It's why we slow down when we have shit to do to look at a car accident. There's nobody that can make good music out here anymore. You know, yeah, just kill people for waiting until midnight for an album drop, right? I'm killing people on the internet because all they do is kill everyone else. It's time for y'all to get killed, too. I'm killing any grown man that has responsibilities the next day, staying up till midnight because he wants to hear it now. You nasty man, you. Well, we don't have to record tomorrow, so maybe I don't.

It's an off day. I have a mortgage. I have a dog. I can't be up at midnight waiting for dot. Definitely not. So Jack Harlow, so I listened to it on my way down to D.C., did the car ride thing, listened to it twice. I don't want to use the age thing here because I do and have said, I think Jack can rap. I think on this project he tried to make song songs

which I can appreciate because it's working for him now and that's the growth of where his career is going in making those songs and I don't want Jack to ever be the lyrical miracle rapper ever

but he was very much in his bad mad sad had lane in this album I could guess the next line every time which isn't bad because it was an easy listen and I enjoyed it I just think what puts people in that A-list shit where it seems to be that he's heading,

they have to find that good middle ground with creating songs and technique. I've only saying this because it appears that Jack is being set up, and to some degree, I agree deserves, as far as the music he makes and the work he's put in, to be going up to that next tier. and the way that tier makes music, you can't be Dr. Seuss all the time when creating actual enjoyable songs. That's what separates you from the lower tier.

The way the Kendrick Cole, Drake, I'm not throwing Jack in there, obviously, but he's being set up to be the next generation's top tier rapper, it appears to me. And I think because he's a rapper rapper, I'm going to hold him to that standard. Now, if he was just someone making records, I don't hold Fabio to a lyrical standard.

He just makes amazing songs and can rap when he wants to. I'm going to hold Jack to the standard of you got a rap rap while creating records too. Okay. Come home to kids miss you. The album wasn't bad. It's a good listen.

He had some good songs on here. He had some songs that I don't really care about. I think for me it's just going to come down to just one simple. And this is just me and no disrespect to Jack. I think he's talented. I think he has skill. I think he got some really good production, work with some really good people on this project.

But I just, I don't, I just can't see me really listening to Jack like that. Well, his cons he's, what, 24 years old? Yeah, but he's rapping about flying bitches out. Like, he's doing young shit, which is ill. That's fine. I just, it's like, for example, right?

It's rapping about what he's supposed to be rapping about. I just, yeah, I get it. But it's just, you know, I can't put, I don't fall into this thing of, you know, he's next or, you know, you can see the setup coming. And not to say it's not deserved, he didn't put his work in, but you can see the setup up. I see the setup coming. I know what the little Nizex feature did for Jack. I get it. I know we can, we know what that did.

He's getting more time with Drake than Majit ever did. And this is the thing. But even, but not only that, it's. it feels fake. It feels forced. Why do you think it feels fake and forced? I mean, I'm just on the outside looking in, bro. It just feels like...

You're saying the setup or the music itself? The setup. All the things that are being, you know, it's just, it's like... And then I hit a music, and it's hard for me to listen to, which is one of my favorite joints. And now I'm the poison joint with Little Wayne. Little Wayne went crazy on that. But it's hard for me not to think that that was a Drake record already.

and Jack got his hands on it and just was like that sounds like a Drake record bro well a lot of this which I'm fine with because Drake is now a veteran of course he's going to have people that sound like his rapping style because Jack sounds like Drake I think he would admit that okay but then we got to talk about it

I mean there's something there's Nause babies that we love I don't know if there's any Nause but that's different Nause babies and people trying to sound like Nause is different. You can hear the influence. Like I can hear the influence of Andre 3,000 on Kendrick. I can hear that.

Yeah. I can call Kendrick a 3,000 baby if I want to. Sure. You know what I'm saying? But Kendrick doesn't sound like Andre 3,000. I can hear the influence. I can hear, you know, the inspiration, but Kendrick is still Kendrick.

You know what I'm saying? It's like with Jack, I don't know yet. I got to keep watching. I got to keep listening. Said the same thing about Fab with Mace. But you got to, that's what I'm saying. You got to keep watching. We got to keep seeing where the career goes.

We just got to see where it goes. Yeah. But just this project, the Drake influence is heavy. Very much. Heavy. And then it's like some of the bars are, you know, and I like Jack. I think he has skill. I think he can rap.

I think he has, you know, the production is crazy. Music sounds really good on the album. But some of the bars are like, he said one of the Churchill down record that, because I was anxious to see. what he did with it. He added a little to it. But it didn't. You know what you understand? I'm saying? It didn't really. It's like, okay, it's more bars, but

is it more bars, though? You understand what I just extended what he had written. It's like, you know, one bar he said I'm about to start handing out programs because y'all need to get with the program. I was just like, I don't know, Jack. I don't know if I would have said that on the song with Drake. No disrespect to Jack, because

I think he has some good records on here. The Do a Leap of Joint. I love what they did with it. Parent, Trap. The Justin Tim Blake join is hard to me. I like that. I like that joining a lot. Movie star, the Farrell shit, I love what they did.

I wish it was longer. I love that there was no... It's good music on the album. That movie star shit is underrated. I don't... I just see enough people talking about it. But it feels like... It almost feels like copy and paste.

I can see that. It almost feels like insert here. You know what I mean? It's almost like, oh, this song was done already for somebody else. And they just like, yo, Jack out of joint coming. He's in the studio. It's like plug and play type of thing. And it's like, I don't really, you know,

I feel you and I don't want people to think we're moving the goalpost because we allow some of the other artists to get that show up. Let's be clear, though. He got a better project than a lot of these other rappers that y'all give a lot of... I just hold Jack at this point to a pretty high standard. So that's where this is coming. This is judging Jack amongst himself. He has a skill.

I just need to see... There's plenty of artists do that and we don't ever bring it up. But I just need to watch him more like, okay, you obviously have the skill. You have the talent. They're obviously going to put you in the rooms with the right people. Yeah. We get that part. But now I need to really just watch Jack.

You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, let me see who this dude really is. I'm cool with, since we're comparing him to Drake so much, I'm cool with this being his, thank me later. You've got put in position, you put the work in, you are now one of the more popular young rappers. You have the ability to work with the biggest artists. You'll put them as features. You have access. But, all right, get your first industry album off, and now it's time to really get, get, get

I need to know who Jack is now. I need a nothing was the same. I see that they're going to take care of it. They're going to set the screen for you. Yeah. And you could come off and get a look wide open. I see you can knock a shot down. For sure.

But I need to see you put the ball on the floor and really get into your bag, though. Like, let me see you go get a bucket. I know you can do fireworks with Alicia Keys. Yeah. I get that. You know what I'm saying? It's like I get it. Ferrell, Justin Timberlake, Wayne.

Bro, listen. People don't have that access. So I get it. It's hard to be unsuccessful with those. records with those producers and these artists on a record with you. But are they memorable because of who you're doing them with or are they memorable because of the songs you're making? That's where you need to see by album number two.

I know he has other albums, but the Jack has arrived. Right. I just need to watch him now. Like, okay, you're here. Obviously, you've arrived. Yeah. But now what? You know what?

That's all of this. It's just like, okay, you arrive, you here. Good project. Good songs are here. There's some songs that I could do it out, but it's good songs are in for the most part. You know what I'm saying? Nail tech, to me, I still don't understand how that first class record went number one in Nail Tech did.

Nail tech to me is the way better record. The sample. That's just me. The samples, I get it, but it's like. The sample did it. Nail tech. And the sample is all over that shit. The sample's so quick with his contributions to it that it's so easy to TikTok.

It's so easy to share. But see, that's what I'm saying? It's a lot of games. You know what I mean? Little bells and whistles. Okay. I don't like all the bells and whistles. But it's a new game.

And that takes a talent. as an artist to be able to make good music and also be able to do the little tricks that you know work online. Right. That's what separates. It's a skill and all of that. All of that takes skill because it still has to work.

It still has to, you have to make it successful. I understand that part. That's why one of my favorite Drake bars is, I wonder if they'd survive in this era when talking about the old legends. Like, I don't know. This is a lot more you gotta do. This is difficult now.

It's a lot more you got to do. I'm only ever just talking about the music. All that other shit, you know, I get it. but I'm just talking about the music. So I'm not mad at the album. I think, like I said, he has a better album than a lot of these rappers that we love

and we think are dope. Like, Jack put out a better project than a lot of y'all. I will say that. So, yeah. His tour announced three days ago, September, October. With the city girls. I know what Jack doing. See, that's why I like Jack.

You know. I know what Jack doing. I mean, I like this. He's going to get some inspiration on that tour. I like him because he shot at Suiti on the red carpet like that. To me, that was just like, it was like, okay, I got to watch this.

kid. You know what I'm saying? Because that, you know what I mean? Everybody don't do that. So to me, that was like, oh, okay. Yeah. All right. You step right to us. So on the carpet, like, yo, you know what I mean? Like, I was like, okay, this kid has some. Yeah. He has some cohones. I'm not mad at that. You know what I mean? The kids got spunk. The kids got a little edge to him. I respect it. I respect it. I'm only ever talking about music, though. You know what I mean? I'm just talking about the music. So love the title. Come home to the kids miss you. I love that. Even the artwork is dope. And they're going to call us more Dick Riders in the comments because I saw

people killing it. I think it's fucking ill that they shot the video during the Kentucky Derby. No, that's fire. Yeah, no, no, no, we can't hate on that. Come on it. Come on, come on. You can't hate on that. We're Dick Riders. All right, whatever. You shoot a video at Kentucky Derby. You can't. You go to the Kentucky Derby. And don't shoot a video. First of all, and they

get cameras in there to shoot a video. Like, I'm not mad at that. We get that part. We understand that, you know, the Drake card. Listen, he's using it to his advantage. I'm not mad at that. You know what I do loving this, this last two generations of hip-hop is the artist that come from smaller markets and how that's become more valuable

because before it was like, yo, I'm in a small market like I got to go to L.A., I got to go to New York, I got to do, you know, my city's not really popping when it comes to industry shit. Now, like the way Drake with Toronto, which is a major market, but in the scope of things, not so much when it came to rap at that time,

having the entire city behind him was so helpful. Now watching Jack, with just a state of Kentucky. Fuck just Louisville. He's able to do that at the Kentucky Derby because they're championing the one person from their small market. If the Kentucky Derby was held in,

like with Belmont, I just don't think any New York rapper is going to be shooting a video just because it's like there's thousands of rappers like it's not, thousands of rappers have made it from here. That small market shit is like, I think leveraging so many artists

because they have that base, is really going to get behind them just strictly based off where they're from. Like in New York and LA, like, you could be from there. It's my man next door. Yeah. Raps to.

I grew up with Jay-Z. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, we lived in the same projects. I get it. I can just see the benefit. Yeah, no. Only Jack, they got cameras at the Kentucky Derby

to shoot a rap video because he's a rapper from there. That's popular that made it. Yeah. That's not happening in a major market. Yeah, no, I get it. Listen, he's using it to his advantage. is really helpful to have a friend like Drake.

You know what I'm saying? I'm sure the Kentucky Derby was like, oh, it's with Drake. Come on. Come on, man. Oh, Drake's here. Oh, yeah, no, why did you say so? Come on, bring the can. Is that a red cam?

Come on. Yeah, set it up. Put it right here, sir. Like, don't worry about the horses of running around. I like your suits. Did you all see people kill Jack because his guards were lifting him up so his shoes were doing? Listen, people want to, people are just in a rush to be offended

and used the race card for so many stupid things. Oh, was that a thing? I didn't see the clue. His bodyguard and his homeboy were carrying him because they had to walk through like, it was like dirt mud a little bit. And Jack didn't want to get his shoes. Oh, you're a fucking video.

Which, I mean, I get it. It's consistency. You can't get your shoes there. Bro, listen, man. My body, listen, if I tell my body, go, listen, bro, I don't want to get these shoes fucked up. It's mud. We've got to walk to the car from here.

Like, my body guy's like, come on, man, I got you. Like, my home boy's there with me. It's like, bro, like. He didn't like saddle. up. Yeah, it's not like he told to Black men, hey, nigger boys come carry me across the range. He didn't say that.

The range? Yeah, like, I don't know. I don't know. People just want to be offended and pull a race card and everything is racist. Everything is sexist. Everything is canceled. Everything. It's like, yo, bro, what the fuck is going on, man? Like, I've had been in situations where I had to do shit that somebody would

be like, damn, like, you just dojo? That's my homeboy, and I'm helping him right now. Is this a terrible time to segue into the Supreme Court? Claudia album. Actually, no, this is a great time to segue into the Sabrina Claudio album. Which I love, by the way. Really good project.

But that was never, we never questioned Sabrina Claudio's talent. We never questioned her voice. No, of course not. You never questioned her song making ability. It was always because people canceled her or some words that she said and we just completely stopped talking about Sabrina Claudio. But there was never a question of her talent and her skill. Like, she's obviously amazing vocalist.

Her project is super. I didn't even know it came out until maybe three days after. came out. Oh, yeah? Somebody just told me they was playing. I was like, Sabrina Claudio put the album out. I didn't even know.

Well, even with her promo, she's always been like, even before the quote-unquote cancelization. They would do quiet promo, like specific promo. And I follow her manager on IG. That's how I knew it was coming out. But I did see people talking about it.

No, it's a great project. I love it. Yeah. It's not super long, but it shocked me that she did. 11 joints, right to it. An album that length. You know, she would always do the smaller EP stuff.

I'm glad you put a full one out. based on a film of Sabrina Claudio I got to hear that with women and I haven't been with any women since it came out We'll ask the only other woman in a room Do you feel like Sabrina Claudio is still canceled In your opinion, in your mind? You would have to be canceled means different to everybody

So what does it mean to you? It means that I'm sorry It means that I'm sure that's great for our audio What's that shit? What's the ASMR? Yeah.

Cancellation in my eyes means that you're no longer an industry, darling. But you guys know when we had that conversation regarding Daniel Caesar and we all disagreed about whether he was canceled or not. Right. Here's where I think she wasn't canceled, but it definitely affected her just because of the timing. Because she had so much momentum where she was going to go to that next step. her career and a lot of that to get to that next step is not so much your

fan base at that point. It's the connections you have to get certain looks, the features and people that you can work with, any even certain venues. A lot of that for that two, three months was taken away from her

because they couldn't really be next to her at that exact point. And that was at the worst fucking time of her. And it's hard to get that. Like some people get that weird cancelization when it doesn't really matter because they're not actively working. She was actively at that momentum step where she needed people to not say, yo, I can't be next to you right now. But I think she pivoted with it.

Like, I think this is a great project. I don't know what it's going to do. I did see people talking about it. She definitely took a, that definitely slowed her momentum down for sure. And rightfully, so I understand how people were upset. Of course, I understand why people are upset about that part. Long sort of sure. I don't, I think in that way,

she was canceled and I think that it definitely impacted her career but I think she can have a she can definitely have a comeback. She can definitely have a comeback. If the music is good and she looks good and she has the right machine pushing her. We know. Ma, we know. Ma'am, we know. She looks great. I'm just saying I saw the artwork for the album even though, you know, she looks good.

Okay, but if I introduce you, are you going to pull a demaris? Can you tell me what a pulling of demarice is? You talk about someone that you're really attracted to all the time. You claim you're this crazy shooter you claim any you could get anything i just got to show up i claim and then and then i put you in a room with them and then you don't say a word oh it's the guy that says where the hose at where the hose at then you bring the hose that you don't say word well you know i'm not i'm never been that guy i talk to women

even when y'all like y'all call me a stand-up comedian once the women i know i'm more yeah but i don't know you've been talking about this one for a while what you're gonna do to make her laugh shuck and jive Sabrina claudio shud and jive you know i'm gonna eat some watermelon and have some some some fried chicken there you know i got to do that for Sabrina Because it's like watermelon is in season now, right? That is? Yeah, see? And who love, come on, fried chicken, come on.

Amazing. You're vegan. She's not. I have to cater to the guest. You can have the watermelon. Yeah. There you go. Is that crazy for me say that?

So you're just bringing a racial stereotype to a racial stereotype. That's how you break the ice. You got to make it. You got to be like, listen, I heard what you said. You got to be meta. So I just thought I'd have watermelon and chicken here for you. I believe her racist remarks. were towards Latinos.

I don't think of anything to do with black people. Please fact check. I thought so. She's Latino, though. So what would her racial? I think that's what everyone was trying to say. Maybe in a sense of parents. I could be wrong, but I thought her racial remarks were about Latinos.

Look, we don't even know what we canceled her for. This is, this is when we know the world has lost their fucking line. I am a straight white male and I shut up. And I shut the fuck up. I am pulling them up. What did she say, Demaris? Please. I want to know how much of an easy target it was, though.

I'd rather be a pasty white girl than a sweaty chonga, which is, for my mistake. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, that's a wild thing to say. I don't know what that means. It's like a... I'll find out of how I can't see it properly. Chonga is like a Mexican hood rat.

Basically. I only know that word because that's like a category and porn, I think, Chonga. That's not what I am. This is wild. No, I don't type it in sometimes. Chonga is from, from Wiki's definition, is a Spanish derived term.

especially in South Florida, often to indicate a working class sexually liberated, very sassy, and emotional and expressive young woman. See, it's a porn category. But a sweaty chunga is fucking crazy. Wait, read that description. That sounds like an amazing woman. I like a little sassy. I just told you.

Spanish-derived term used in South Florida often to indicate working class. I won't use the word, by the way. Sexually liberated. Love that. Very sassy. Love that. Emotional. Come on.

And expressive young woman. You express yourself. She also, they're going to think I'm joking about that word if people are offended by that. But by that description, that sounds like an amazing person. But I'm sure when people use it, it's not by that definition. Of course. She was also throwing the word nigger around and saying shit about black girls. What did she say about black girls?

Because now I might have to cancel her. Date is canceled? Yeah, what she said about black girls? I don't remember. I can't remember. I'm just looking at like all the headlines. That's funny chunga. It's kind of nuts.

That's, you are, you are. You are really. I was like, you have to, I was, I was singing like ricey beans. It is what it is, man. People say things all the time, fucked up things. It is what it is. Multiple families. Listen, I, anyone that's offended, I'm with you.

You're with the offended? I don't know how to, I don't know how to navigate this thing. I'm with offending. Sometimes you need to offend people, I think. It's a balance, right? You live and you die. Oh. You offend and you get offended.

I'm always a big person that you can joke. You should joke. You should be able to take a job. joke. Yeah, absolutely. You can't take yourself that seriously, man. Come on. Let's be for real here. Got to be able to laugh at shit, right? Oh, she also said she wanted to be a black girl for Halloween.

I know a lot of guys that said the same thing last year. There's probably a lot of guys who did it last year. Yeah. Yeah. Look, nothing wrong there. Yeah, she also used hood rat, ghetto, nigger, dog. Is hood rat and ghetto bad? A canon context, yes.

Yeah. When it's a term to be used to offend and belittle somebody. And you don't think you're black and you don't claim blackness or you're not black and you're using hood rat and ghetto to describe something related to black woman. Yes, it's extremely offensive. So the LMA album. Well, based on her feelings, Sabrina Claudio had feelings and she tweeted about them years ago and people canceled her for her feelings. Based on a feeling Sabrina Claudio available now. If she's not canceled to you, download it.

If not, fuck her. Which, I mean, honestly. Yeah, if you want to listen, go listen. If you don't, fuck it. Fuck it. Yeah, it is what it is. I don't know what to tell people anymore, man. Everybody's going to be offended about something.

I don't know. L.M.A. I'm going to kick it over to Demaris. That's her home girl. L.M.A. put out an album. Yeah. How did you not know that? Hard on my sleeve.

I've been fucking listening to Sabrina Cloddy all weekend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Support your own. Oh, I did. I have Sid's album on repeat. Love Sid's album.

What did you think? at LMA's? It was pretty good. I have to listen again. I was listening when I was like smoking weed taking a shower so like anything sounds good. You were smoking weed in the shower? Yes. Did you like hold it added the water not put the flame out? I don't give you time to think about that one because I think I think you could no. No I feel like that's fair. How did you like the moisture? Yeah. You don't have to stand in. Oh, you don't have a steam shower. I'm sorry. Oh, sorry. No, my shower has steam smart ass but I shower with the window open and the door open.

So you don't actually steam? No. my curls will fall. And we don't want that. Yeah, we don't want that. We do not please, God forbid, the curls fall. A lot of bald demands. Damn, Ella may put out a 15 joints? Yes, it's good.

It's good. It's classic R&B. She did a good job. I got to listen again to give you a full game guy. Rahim. Rahim Devon, let's kick it over to Rory. I did not know Rahim Devon put out of the album. This is the worst second.

He's been listening to the white boy all weekend. Jack had him in a frenzy. He had him in a doozy. Support your own, huh, Rory? Having it? it. Oh, you didn't know Rahim put an album out. When it's Rahim, you don't listen.

But when it's Jack, ah, you fucking download don't you? Download that Rahim right now. Connor's album was crazy this weekend. Connor. Blake went nuts on the production. I did not know Rahim Devon, but that album, I will run to it. What's it called? Tamaris.

It is called. Heem with the steam. Lust. I'm not listening to. From lust till dawn. From lust to dawn. From lust to. From less till dawn.

From less till dawn, Rahim Devon. Rahim, you listen, man, he's been, as you know, Rory, he's an R&B dude that has literally been around forever. That's my god. He has been on every stage in the city. You know what's... I feel like Rahim Devon, you're walking to a spot just to get like a good meal and Rahim that might be there singing, performing at night.

You beat me to exactly what I was about to say. The most dangerous thing about Rahim Devon is your girl might just walk into a dive bar in DC and he'll be there. And she'll know him. Mm-hmm. Say that right. He's like, you. Say that again? No, no, no, no, we don't want to say that again.

Yeah. Can you auto-tune that one? No, please don't. Please auto-tune it. No, please don't. Rahim Devon from dust till dawn. Lust from lust till dawn. This music segment is so terribly good.

I'm a heterosexual man. IDK put out a project. I didn't get a chance to listen to it, but I love the last one. So this is just an amazing music segment. Listen, man, I was at Brockley City Fest listening to live. music. Oh, you went to Broccoli City? I'm wearing the shirt. Oh, now you don't, now you tell us this? What the fuck, right? We asked them what he did this week. No, we got right into Kendrick. Pause. We didn't even talk about weekends. How was Broccoli City? Yeah, how was it?

Justice had called me from, I thought it was you calling a check on me, uh, checking on your boy, but it wasn't you. Well, it was. FaceTiming me and it was because I said, I didn't see nothing. I couldn't hear or see anything. I said to Justice, I said, we should check on mall and he loves you and it'll be a cool surprise. And I thought we were going to. to do like the face to face together hold the arm out. Yeah. But he just took my phone and then it was just justice. And then it was no service and I still didn't speak to, I still got a call back.

We still don't know how you are. Yeah, I don't, yeah. No, he's about to say. I didn't speak to any of y'all. Does that count as a checking? No. I spoke to him for seven seconds. Have you ever, we're supposed to call someone back and you let it ring once and then hang up just so it says miss call?

Are you kidding me? That's my way of checking in. Oh, me? Yeah. Oh, I figured that. I figured that. I figured that. It's my guy right here.

You was called. I said Rory's facetiming me. Then I thought you had like someone on the other end wanting to say hello to me and check on me and then it was justice and I was like, oh, I guess if I can't get something I'll take justice. We were in her tent.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If I can't get something, I'll get justice. Her rider was around us. Yeah, no. The snacks that she likes. Her energy was there. There was candles. What snack she was there?

Come on, I can't disclose. Yeah, come on. That's our thing. That's our thing. Like, me and her do that. We don't even tell each other what we eat and shit like that. We don't disclose that information.

Broccoli City was really good. The lineup was very, very good. The first day was a fucking monsoon. And shout out to Brandon, everyone at Brockley City. I've never seen at that size of a festival knowing like the amount of staff you do have completely change it for the next day. Because it was mud. It was disgusting. They must have spent the whole night just dumping new dirt on shit so people could like really enjoy the next day.

So shout out to them because they- That's the one bad thing about a lot of festivals on the East Coast is the weather. And the time you do it. Rocky City is always April, May. Yeah, you can never really plan for outdoor events on the East Coast because it rains. You see summer, summer jam, is they doing it at the same June time when it rains? It's going to rain. Okay.

It has rained every single summer jam, literally. Well, broccoli city was great. Summer was fucking great. That's really about it. Got my industry on. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You made some connections?

That was crazy. He was connecting. Definitely. We have to find. ways to win together. That's all right. You ain't get your... This industry is so full of shit.

You know, the people don't know how full of shit the industry really is. You know what's so fucking great about Broccoli City? Look what they did. I don't know if they did this with the intention to be funny or really just did it. So you know how they have like the backstage. Well, they have like the artist village and then they'll kind of have like the lounge area. So the backstage they put a tent, right, with the bar. And they had signs everywhere.

They put this for the backstage tent. Industry. The sign just says, Industry. Love it. Love it. Not right. Simple.

Right to it. Yeah. Let you know what this tent is. Lincoln build in here. Yeah. This is the industry. All your industry folk come in here. Over free tequila.

There you go. As far as new music, was that all? That would even miss something. I feel like some more shit came out. I'm sure it did, but I don't want to make this music segment any worse or greater than it has been. Let's say great. Yeah, guys, we haven't had the chance to listen to music. We're sorry.

No, it's all good. They made sure they listen to Sabrina, though. Canceling me I listen to Ella Mae Yeah it was balance See I listen to Sabrina He listened to Ella He listened to Jack

I listen to Rahim We're just trying to break down All these racial barriers One episode at a time Demaris Oh Coltrane came out with that album We had sweaty chongas Who you?

What sweaty chunger was you listening to Small What What? I can't be racist I'm a black man I can't be It's impossible

That's not the way it works That's not how it works I can't be racist You can be racist to war Latinas Yes you can I'm half Puerto Rican Are you kidding me What half?

My dad What are you talking about Wait what? Yeah Nah this is like The color purple all over again Your dad is not So Biggs and Hop are half Puerto Rican

Where does Biggs live at? Puerto Rican Puerto Rican why That's a fucking science Oh my God The science Yeah My grandmother is full Puerto Rican

My dad's mother You're a quarter world. Pop never leaves the east side. Holy shit. Yes. Oh my God, you're from the Bronx. I'm from the Bronx. Wow.

And my mom's name is Carmen, but she's black. Get Tu Sabe. Yeah, but Carmen is. And I've met your pops. I didn't know he was Puerto Rican. My dad speaks, he can speak fluent Spanish. Like, people think my dad is either Panamanian or Dominican if he goes up to him. I see that.

Okay. I see how they would think. That's a fact. And I met him like, it's all adding up. Wow. It's the color purple. I would know. So, yeah, I can't be racist.

The color purple complex. These are my people. How come you don't ever Rep. That you don't ever rip that you, Puerto Rican? I do. Just for the parades. When I'm uptown.

When it's convenient? Yeah. I'm in town I use that card. For the plug? Yeah, absolutely. He'll have like the PR shoes on. Oh, no, I never wore those. Ever?

Well, the Air Forces. With the Puerto Rican flag on it. Did you ever put like into the? No. No. Never did that. But yeah. My mom, my grandmother is for, well, it was for Puerto Rico.

Oh, wow. Learned something new every day. Yeah, man. Those are my people. You know what I'm saying? But Latinos are listening to Bad Bunny right now. Yo, listen, Bad Bunny shot a video uptown in the hood. Yeah.

He's a fucking, hey, Bad Bunny, you're a fucking legend, bro. You gave him a pass? No, I didn't, no. And he gave him a pass? I don't know who gave him a pass, but trust, believe you me, he needed one to do that thing. He had a pass. Oh, my God. Bro, he was in the hood.

Where was it? On 187th, I think. Was it 180? He was somewhere uptown. I think so. He was in front of the bodega. Like nothing. Rainy day.

Midd Street. Rain. Rain. I said this niggas a fucking legend. Well, he's a bad bunny. No, he's a mega, bro. You don't understand. He's a mega star and he shot a music video in the middle of the hood.

Like, people don't do that. You know that. He's bad meaning bad, not bad meaning good. He, listen, he's a legend, bro. He's a legend. I salute him forever. That move right there, salute to Bad Bunny for that. Bueno Bunny.

Excuse me? Buono Bunny. His name is Bad Bunny. Bueno. What's Bunny in Spanish? Cornel. No, I like bunny better. I don't want to say conno.

But I like Buono Bunny, right? Good Bunny. Bueno. Yeah. You don't want to be a good bunny. Yeah, you don't want to be a good bunny. Unless you're like a Playboy bunny. A bad bunny.

Yeah. Is there evil bunnies? I mean, I'm sure. I think there's like a horror movie about evil bunnies, right? Or like at least a show. If you had a thousand bunnies in here, you wouldn't be freaked out? No. I'd be fucked.

Actually, where's the Cialis. You're allergic to bunnies? No. Cialis is. Oh. You're trying to fuck the bunnies? Whoa. Oh, that's a Cialis.

Cialis. I don't know. I thought that was a performance. Yeah, which one? Isn't that like Viagra's in the Coke Pepsi, Viagra, Cialis? I thought that's where Starbucks was. Yeah. If you're trying to fuck bunnies just, I'm not, beastiality isn't my thing.

Bodies. Bodies meaning. I'm not going to like win. Oh, okay. We were talking about the actual bunnies. No, no, no, no. No, no. No, no.

Actual bunnies. I'm talking about, I just said Playboys. At least make sure they're rabbits. Like, you're nasty pedophiles. You wasckles. Wabbit. Pet afoul. I'm fucking it.

I hate both of y'all. Where is this podcast going? Downhill, according to our haters. See, if y'all would listen to Sabrina Claudio's album, this wouldn't be going off the world like this. We would actually be able to hone in on a great piece of art and great piece of music.

But anyway. All right, well, you're Puerto Rican. You have a cousin named Rico. I have to be. I can't. Puerto Rico. Can we end this podcast? Please.

A lot of you niggas might as well go to Puerto Rico now that I think about it because they come in and get y'all. We just go call it what it is. Somebody told me online, like, I got in a lot, I'm all been saying the same shit for at least seven years now. And you wonder why because it's always a fact. It always comes to fruition. People out here playing these games, they doing shit, illegal shit, and they're thinking that shit is just going to disappear and go away. That's not the way this shit works. You do some shit in the streets.

You're making a lot of money. They're going to let you live your life. They're going to let you run up the bag, travel, the world, put out amazing albums, do amazing tours, sleep with amazing beautiful women and just, you know, live life. But when they knock on that door at 527 a.m. And you know that knock. And all you hear is walkie-talkies. That's when life is going to get real for a lot of y'all. And it's unfortunate because, you know, it's a thing that's happening now where it's almost like every week.

We hear about somebody getting arrested, somebody facing charges, you know, and, you know, people say, oh, so they're hunting the industry. They're hunting our entertainers and our, okay, that may be part of it, but why are they hunting our entertainers and our beloved figures in our culture? What responsibility do we hold in all of this? What responsibility do they hold? Oh, you one of those two that retweeted the, when is the KKK going to catch a Rico case? I didn't retweet that, but you could definitely do a RICO case on the KKK. You could do a RICO case on... Well, Donald Trump named the KKK as a terrorist group and people just scoffed at that.

No, he said they were good people. He never said that. But... He likes Tiki Tetrack's from Home Depot. There's, you know... With these RICO cases, at what point is human life, like, matter? Because off the reports, I don't know how true they were. They're tying them to, what, 50 bodies?

Something like that, yeah. But you got to remember When you go kicking the motherfucking door No, no, no, but see that's the thing After the eighth body, it's not time But you don't But this is the thing now You know, you have informants

For sure, I know they find things out later I understand that They get pieces of the puzzle when they get them And then they decide, okay, we have enough But I, with these informants, I There's no way you get to 50 bodies And they find out about all 50 bodies afterwards Oh, well

I think things Maybe not 50 But you know There's been cases where they don't They don't know exactly what happened and they don't know where to, and that's the way of RICO. See, the RICO is one of the worst cases, if not the worst case that you can catch. It's a very unfair law.

It is. Because even if that existed and they didn't even know it existed. Right, because a lot of times what they'll do is a lot of those unsolved murders around that time, if they feel like throwing that on y'all, they could throw it on you. So that's how we get to 50. It may be 13. It may be 15 people that you actually really had a problem. with issues with and there was a real thing, a beef, whatever in the streets. But the fact that they have these other 20 cases around that time that's unsolved,

oh, just put those all under the same. Oh, for sure. And that's, you know what I'm saying? And that's where it's fucked up. Yeah, you're right. But again, what role do we play in that? Because they don't just pick you out of a hat and say, oh, we're going to throw a RICO case on you to this week.

That's not how this thing works. Oh, I'm. They've obviously been on it since 2012. They've been following you for years. They've been gathering intel. They've been in surveillance and, you know, money transfers, wire bank transfers, things of that nature, you know, cell phone records, whatever it is to make their case stick and come together. And unfortunately, we're now faced with another one of, you know, another few of our entertainers from our culture facing heavy, severe charges. Yeah.

And it's unfortunate. It's fucked up. You know, it shouldn't be happening because these guys. are employing a lot of people and, you know, making life better for a lot of their friends and their family. They're making a lot of money. They're creating an opportunity for people, giving back to their communities, all of these things. You know, but the thing is, if you have a past and the history and things like that, like those things don't just disappear. You know what mean? And that's the fucked up part because you can and you should be able to change your life

and change your ways of living and things like that. But it doesn't just disappear. If you were doing things in the past and, you know, you had ties to people that that were doing things in the past or ties to people that are still doing things that are deemed illegal and you shouldn't be doing. It's unfortunate that's fucked up

but you know when they knock on that dawn come get you it's game over. I just think it was unfair with the Rico shit because obviously it was wasn't really created.

It was brought back with the Italian mob because they couldn't get anyone because obviously the higher-ups were never really doing the work at that point they were telling so they really could only get the people that were actually doing the crimes.

So they were in a system that was almost impossible to take down, so ran with this RICO shit. Who's going to be the lawyer that's way smarter than all of us to really prove how was it done under that flag? Like in some ways, I feel like with that RICO shit, if you have like a phone tap of some shit and somebody that claims to be a member of a gang or organization

says to somebody else, go do this, who said it's under that flag? Why is that connected to this organization? What if this was my personal shit? Why does it all have to be under one? How do you prove that it was done in the name of, we'll use YSL here, or Gambino, that it was done in that regard?

Well, they have surveillance. They have informants. You're adding people, yeah, but informants lie. Yeah, but if they have. Performance are going to give you what you want to hear. They have video, if they have audits. have audio, if they have things tying you directly to this person, you know this person and, you know, money transfers and things like that.

Now you're talking about this is evidence that you know this guy, right? I'm not saying what the person directly does. I'm just saying of how they tie that shit in. If I'm at the head of an organization, let's say we admit we are a criminal organization. Yeah. And I have in ranks the lowest of low. Let's do the mob shit, two soldiers that decide to go. kill someone, they talk to their higher up, their capo.

Who's to say I had anything knowledge of that or that it was done under my flag? Well, a lot of people do that. Like the kingpin shit, they really use that shit as a buffet to put on you with certain stuff. Of course, we know what time it is, but proof in court, can't say that two motherfuckers that just happen to yell out YSL and they do a crime that's connected to me. I don't fucking know. Well, let me just be the first to tell you that once the feds knock, on your door and snatch you, they have everything they need to prove

that you know this gentleman and that this was a law. No, under the RICO law, no matter what, because you're all part of that organization, now you are responsible for every crime in that organization. I'm saying

why that law is so fucked up, I could have no fucking knowledge. I could be mine in my business. Where's the lawyer that's going to prove that the RICO law is unjust? It's very unjust. Injust, okay.

Don't put a murder on me. If, if, and. But that's what they bank on. And I don't want to say. But that's, listen, but this is what they bank on. They bank on telling you, right? You're going to, you're going to go to trial for that murder, that murder, that murder. They might know that you had nothing to do with that.

Of course. So they're going to, they're going to put those 25 to 50 years in front of you and say, okay. Oh, no, I know, I know the tactic. Put some more beat on that joint. I'm saying, who is going to prove in court on a whole separate case, like, when is it going to be the United States versus Rico? like there needs to be a whole separate trial about RICO and how fucked up and unjust it is under what America stands for

Oh but a lot of this shit is unjust We know that Edden be yelling New Rory Mall all the time It's probably in his bio What he does in the stumble in is none of my fucking business Right Screaming That's a fact

Yeah I mean So if you RICO us up And I find out Eddn's in the stumble In running a whole heroin ring Leave me the fuck out of this I pod Yeah no listen I understand

I get what you're saying but at the same time, they've gathered enough information. I text Edin. Yeah, now you have to prove. Now you have to prove, okay, you don't know about this? Okay, prove it. Prove that you knew nothing about this. I've seen Edn holding it down in his IG Q&A.

He held it down on Rico Day. They asked and they said, do you hang out with Roy Moore outside the pot? He said, no. That's my guy right there. I taught you well. My Mexican warrior friend. I know nothing. My Mexican.

The warrior is the racist part. No, it's not. You see, you see what I'm saying? Anything is racist, bro. Anything is racist. This shit is crazy. But yeah, man, there ain't no prayers and, you know, and good luck to everyone involved with that case, man, with young thug, Gunner and everybody involved in that, man.

It's just, it's a fucked up situation all the way around. I just, I pray QC doesn't get dragged into it when they don't need to be. I pray nobody gets dragged into it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's because it's fucked up, man. We're talking about dudes that are really doing great things. and change their lives. And we all know what some of these.

They come from the same place. You know what I'm saying? So I know what, you know, young thug came up out of. I know what Gunna came up out of. You know what I'm saying? I'm not from Georgia, but I'm from New York City. And I know, I know what I had to come up out of. I know what I experienced.

I know what I was around growing up. And I just am grateful that I never felt victim to a lot of that crazy shit. And I was able to pivot and move certain ways and, you know, get out of certain situations without any real crazy shit in my life happening. But, you know, I also got a lot of friends that fell victim to that shit. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, one of my best friends is, you know, serving 16 years right now. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, I understand it. You know, but it's just fucked up because, again, it happens at a time where a lot of these men are doing the right thing. And they have changed their lives. And but sometimes, you know, you can't be one foot in, one foot out. And that's where we, that's where we, you know, that's what that's the, that's the part. that I don't think that we have fully grasped. Just because I don't live in these communities no more. And, you know, I'm not actively out here, you know, in the car riding around with the

homies and doing shit. And I'm not on the corner serving and pitching and all that other shit no more. You know, but if I'm, you know, if you got your homies in the situation where they're still doing that and you kind of funding it, bro, that's illegal. But what's fucked up about that and what's fucked up with the RICO shit and Grin, I don't know the evidence at all. But I can see a world where Thug is so busy. and he gives his friends money, see the transaction.

Absolutely. His friends. And again, that could be a judgment call from Thug, and I'm not here to judge him on anything. You can do whatever you want. That's where the RICO log gets so fucked up where it's like, I am trying to get out of this environment, but these are my friends and family that I do need to take care of.

Absolutely. And if I do give them money, I don't have the time where I need to micromanage everything that these people do with their money. You're right. So if I eat some bread and you rent a car, and you go do some shit, that's fucked up as my friend that you would do that. Absolutely.

But now you got to ask for that. Yeah. And that's what you see what I'm saying? Like it's fucked up. You're right. Because I could just rent a car from my homewoods. You know, give them a car for the weekend. They want to chill.

Cool. But now if y'all doing dumb shit in the car that I read it, that falls on me. Which is why you guys have that talk with your homies. Listen, we're not one foot. If you're fucking with me and you're going to be around me, this is what my life is now. This is what I'm on. I'm making this music. I'm into fashion.

I'm going to Paris for. You know, shows sitting on the front row at these shows. Like, this is the world I'm in now. I'm not with this shit no more. So if you want to be a part of this and you want to do some shit in this world, I got you. Come on. But I can't, you can't have people around you one foot in, one foot out because then that shit

all falls on everybody, especially if you're the big figure with the money. Yeah. You're the rich friend and you've been sending your homie's money. And they out here doing wicked shit or shit that's illegal. of course you got some answering to do to that. Of course. That's what's going to happen. It's fucked up, but that's just what it is.

You know what I'm saying? And again, you know, it's we, another situation where, you know, our people from our coaches face with this, I saw that Cassanova pleaded guilty to his, his charges in his case. Yeah. Shooting and robbery. I think there was one more. I think, and 100 pounds of marijuana or something like that. It's drug charges, basically.

Again, unfortunate. It's unfortunate, man. I'm saying. Here's somebody that's trying to change the life, do something different. You know, but again. And also, but we also don't know. And I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Cas could have got caught up in that shit,

and sometimes you have to take a deal that you don't want to take. Because the feds are going to fed. So maybe I should take a plea deal, even if I didn't do this shit, because I know if I go to trial with this RICO shit they have, they're going to put shit on me that I didn't even know about, just because I happen to be the most popular person and they can say that's the one that's the kingpin of this whole shit.

Yeah. And that's why I think that law is so fucked up because Cass could be like, all right, uh, shit. I guess I'll do the drug one to plea out to. Just because I know if I go and fight this, I'm going to lose just of how this law is structured. So Cass could be pleading guilty system shit.

He didn't do at all the time. And that's what's fucked up. Oh, no, that's what I'm saying. The whole system is fucked up. You know what I mean? It's just a fucked up system. Do I want to do 10 or do I want to do life? Even if I didn't do anything.

Even if I didn't do anything. Like I got to take this. I got to eat this one. Yeah. Fuck, I'll take the shooting. I get it. I mean, I got friends that have gone through that, still going through that. I get it.

But, you know, like I said, man, the feds, they're not just knocking on random doors just snatching people out of nowhere. I'm not saying that. You know what I mean? And that's ultimately what it is. It's like. But Cassie even said, yeah, I was part of that organization. I'm not anymore.

I'm doing positive. He said that himself when it wasn't like. like some planned rollout. Someone asked him a question. Nick Canada, asked him a question. Yeah. I was not in that shit anymore.

Yeah. And I felt Cass was 100% telling true. Like, yeah, did that shit. Did my time. I've moved the fuck on. Right. Either way, man, prayers to Cassanova. Prayers to Young Thug.

Prayers to gun. And prayers to anybody else that's involved. That have to stand before trial. And prayers to the victims. And prayers to the victims. Absolutely. Prayers to the victims, to their families. Whether they were victims or not.

It's just all unfortunate, man. It's just, I never like to hear about dudes from our culture, you know, going to prison, having to stand in front of these judges and things like that because, you know, that's the last place you want to be. I mean, that's where shit becomes very real and life hits you really fast. It's just unfortunate, man. You know what I mean? We got to find another way to do things, man, another way to pivot out of this lifestyle and this shit that we come from. Because like I said, you know, I'm from the inner cities.

I grew up around all this shit. I know what all this shit is about, but I was just always aware of consequences. Yeah. You know, when you start telling me, you know, there's only two ways out of this. And I don't like those two ways. I'm just not fucking with it.

You know, I'll go get a regular job. I'll go work in the stock room somewhere. I'll go, you know what I'm saying? Anything. I just, that game, do you telling me that's the out? Yeah. I'm cool. I don't want no part of that.

I don't want to go to jails. No women in there. and I don't want to die. You know what I'm saying? Well, not before my time. You know what I'm saying? So it is what it is, man. But I'm not looking down on nobody because trust me.

I understand it. I understand it. I get it. But this is an example and this is what they're doing. They're setting examples. They're putting examples in front of us. You do this. We're coming.

We're coming. You know what I mean? Get mad at the system and all of this. They are coming. Yeah. That is the bottom line. You get into this lifestyle. You do these things.

I just hope they don't do it because they all had matching t-shirts on and yelled some. Oh, no, they have way more than that. I'm joking. They have way more than that. Have you guys speaking of prison? Have you guys watched the first three episodes of Staircase on HBO Max since we're back? No. No, didn't watch you yet.

You've been telling us for, I think the fourth episode comes out today or tomorrow. Okay, so you can binge four. And you were saying there's no women in prison. I don't want to spoil anything, but I've seen the doc. He probably had fun in prison. I didn't feel for him. He had fun of women? He was probably going crazy in there.

Like the correction officers? No. No, my. Okay. No, yeah, that sounds like I just, something that I just didn't watch. I didn't want to spoil it. He's bisexual. He loves dudes.

Oh. So he was going. Yeah, no, me, I'm heterosexual. I wouldn't have fun in prison. I'm saying the gentleman from the staircase. Okay, got you. And he went to like, not the crazy. craziest jail.

Okay. Like, they sell, like ice cream and shit. Like camp. Yeah. He went to boy camp. He went to sleepaway camp.

Yeah, I get it. More sad news. I don't like to call him YouTube sensation, man, but I guess that was his title. YouTube personality. Yeah. You know, very opinionated,

well educated, well-dressed. Kevin Samuel's passed away. Rest and peace. Rest and peace. Kevin Samuels. Samuels, prayers and condoluses to the family. I read, I don't know if it was accurate,

because it was like right when everything was happening. Mm-hmm. That his mother found out via social media. That was something I saw, too. I don't know how true that is. I hope she didn't. But I saw that too. That was unfortunate.

I hope, I pray that his mother didn't find out about him passing through social media. But if it did, it's unfortunate. That's the way that that happened. But either way, man, rest of the piece of Kevin C. Samuels, his personality, his opinions, you know, some things I was digging him on and some things I was kind of like, he went a little crazy. But either way, it's entertainment, man. It was all, it's just, it's all entertainment. Educating, you know, trying to educate men and women on certain things on how men feel and how women feel. You know, like I said, however you want to, you know,

build it up and dress it up, you know, he was just somebody that built a platform based off his opinion, his perspective and his beliefs and how things, you know, should go with men and women. I don't want to get into that Meg stuff. It just wait for that trial to come, for real. I don't know these sources. I don't know shit. People have been poking at me, trying to get me to speak about this situation for the last, however long. And I'm not because I know how this thing how these things work. I know how these things play out. So I'm just, you know,

if you're a fan and you want to listen to somebody, you don't want to cancel them, that's fine. You know what I mean? Like, that's totally fine. Like, it's not, you know, you can support these people if you want to. Everybody's their own individual.

Everybody can do what they can. I just would wish that people would just just kind of like, just let things play out. Like, go with facts. Don't jump on what you, are hearing and things that you're seeing that, you know, go with facts and just let the facts be the facts. Common sense may be here and there, never hurt nobody. Just use common sense

when speaking on the internet. Like, that's, you're asking for a lot. I know I am. But I'm just just saying, just use some comments. That's why the internet is fun. Doesn't require it. But it's just like, you know. Everyone can come. But we should, yeah, right. It's one of those parties. Everyone can come. But when you come, just, we're not asking you to come with no. Those are the worst parties, but they are the most entertaining. Yeah, because everybody's here. Everyone can come. Everybody can come, but just...

Everybody comes. Can you just bring common sense through the door with you, please? No. Just a little bit. That's not this party. Yeah, and that's why it's... This party is based off sensationalism and, hey, I have a thought. Yeah.

Here mine. Okay. Yeah, you're right. I did see that Jay Cole went to one of his biggest fans' college graduation. I thought that that was another feathering Jay Cole's legendary hat for just being a very solid, very unique individual. Keeping a promise. He means a lot.

And kept his promise to her that if she went to a four-year school, he'd be at her graduation. And he went to her graduation. So I thought that that was really dope. Shout out to Jermaine. Calling him Jermaine. Like, that's my guy. I know, right?

He doesn't even call himself, Jame. Yeah. He has the best PR team that's not a PR team of all time. Yeah. People will just take a photo and it'll go viral. Shout to EVE. Tom Brady has a, a, Agreed to a $375 million analyst deal.

Yeah, I'm not doing that last season, sorry. I would have stayed retired. I always said that Tom Brady was going to get a crazy bag once he decided to retire just to be an analyst. Just because when you've won that many Super Bowls and had the career that Tom Brady has, just your mind and your brain on the game is super valuable. So I always knew that that bag was going to come. I just feel like no one thought what Romo thought when he saw that. Romo gonna step his shit up this season.

Romo can step his shit up all he won. He'll never see that much money. All right. Wait till they're both. Romo's gonna take this for real. So yeah, man, that's it for today or for this weekend. We'll be back next week. We will.

I have to use a bathroom. With more shit to talk about, more things to talk about in the culture. Hopefully we have some positive things. We have the Kendra Galen. The Kendra album is available now if you're listening to this. And I'm sure we're the people that told you that the Kendra album. I'm sure you're like, oh shit, I didn't realize the Kendra Godwin's coming. I don't know, Damaris isn't here, but I could just curse out before.

Damaris told me she wanted to go to the movies with me to see Dr. Strange. So now, so I just want you out to be my witness. I told you I would go with her. And the movie is out. And Damaris has not. She's a petty woman. You stood her up one time, so she's going to make sure she's going to set it up to stand it up.

It's okay, Demaris. We'll go see a movie one day. Be safe this week and have fun. Be blessed. Life is Frathex. So love people while you can, man. Respect people. Be a good person. Move through life with inspiration, motivation, love and respect. Integrity, morals. Stop supporting suckers shit. Support real shit. And we'll see y'all next week. We'll talk to y'all next week. Y'all be safe. Peace.

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