New Rory & MAL - Episode 79 | Shaking Off Sophomore Jitters ft. Westside Boogie

Episode Date: June 28, 2022

This week the guys are joined by Westside Boogie in LA to discuss his new sophomore album, Drake dropping the same day, writing better when you're hurt, lying to your therapist, being interactive as an artist, creating your own culture, having your exes listening to your albums, rollout expectations, and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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would text you after she listened to it? I think her new dude felt away when maybe he was just on her laptop. He's in the industry. So, you know what I'm saying? He probably... Oh, he ain't playing that shit in the car. He an industry dude?

He ain't playing your shit. They were like reason or jigs started their ex. I'm never listening to them niggas again. All these niggas are. bigger than me or lower than me. I'm going to talk to your therapist tonight. I don't know she's really doing a job. Yeah, they got to chase the budget with the third.

It's not working. You, boy, man. West Side Boogie, first of all, congratulations, man. Thank you, man. I have been a fan of yours for years. I played, I played your music on an old pod that we used to do. You know, when I watched it, it'd be feeling like Rory more to support my music more than you. Really?

That's probably true. It feels like Roy to fan. Now, you know what it is? When white boys just like you a little bit, it feels like. like a lot in comparison to brothers because we supposed to support each other. Yeah. You just like, you do that now. Like, yeah. I'm in that sweet. No, but you know why? Because I've been

fucking with your music. I'm just happy to see it now. Everybody else catching up. It's like, if I was in a party for a year and then now y'all get there, I'm like, yeah, man. It's been lit here. Yeah, exactly. And Boog is like the cool real hip hop car that white people would be like, oh, I fuck a a West Side Boogie. It is at one. That's probably why I go I hope I got you some vagina in the past.

You did, bro. I promise you that you didn't. Damn it. How you, How are you feeling, man? Because I know it's been... First returning guest, by the way. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, but Boogie... It's not a guest. He's family, man. This is Bug, man. Yeah, man. What you call me that? Yeah, don't call him a guest. This is family right here.

But back to how I feel, man, I'm happy I got that, uh, them sophomore jitters out. You know what I'm saying? Because I can't lie like it wasn't scary at times. You know what I'm saying? Especially Drake, uh, announcing the same day as me. I ain't going to lie.

That's something that me and Rory looked at. We was in Mexico. And we was like, damn, Boog. And we said at the same time, it was like, fuck.

You were the first, first person we thought of when we saw it. The first person we thought about was you, because he was like, damn, bug, I'm going to come out tomorrow too.

Drake just announced the surprise project. He's been harassed for years. Man for years. And I'm like, this is just my luck. So it was crazy. I was in, were you upset, though?

No, let me tell you, I was in 4040 Club with Justice, my manager of Justice in New York. He wanted me to celebrate my album somewhere else instead of LA

because you know, I probably would just stay at the crib. You got you out of the house. You got you out of the house. You know what I'm saying? So I'm at the club and then somebody like, they're drinking outside of an album. So then I'm like watching a Warriors game, yelling over that because I'm going to win some

money. Then I'm like, nah, this is not real. Then it's like, start creeping up on me. Then it's like, because it's human nature. He's like one of the biggest artists in the world. Right. But then it was like, all the homies, everybody around was like, book, you good. You know how great you is.

You know what I'm saying? So it didn't last that long. And I also knew what type of album it was like an hour before. Oh, you did? Yeah. I got a little wind of it kind of made me feel a little better. Not that it's not a great album.

It's just two different worlds. So it made me like feel a little better. Okay. Did you feel any way? Because when did Kendrick come out? A month prior? Yeah, probably like a month before. And you were close to done at that time.

And he definitely got in his therapy bag. And it was kind of the theme of yours too. So now you got Kendrick therapy bag out, Drake in six hours. And unfortunately you're in the 40-40 club. Yeah. And it felt like the universe was just trying to destroy me. I'm like, what did I do wrong? I've been just, you know what I'm saying? But what I realized,

because when I did hear Kendrick album, I was like, dang, it's kind of like the same message talking about like healing as a black man in therapy. But then I got over it quick because I realized the message of gun violence is being used by everybody. You know what I'm saying? It's not like just for one person to talk about it. So I should be happy that Kendrick is putting light on this message. So this message could get out more to more people, you know what I'm saying? He being one of the biggest artists in the world, it just helped a message for real. So if I really care, about what I'm talking about, then I should be happy that Kendrick delivering that message. Did that journey start before you started the album or in the middle of making it therapy?

That started before. That started after my breakup, just crying, trying to figure out a way to stop crying. Okay. And when was this? What was that? About three years ago? Okay. No, I was with her two years ago. About two years ago, I think. I was in Atlanta. I was with this girl for like three years. It felt like my first healthy relationship because all my prior relationships was like based off like trauma or like trauma. trauma binding fighting with each other just we can make up. So this was the first time I felt like I was in a real relationship.

So when we broke up, I was so lost. You know what I'm saying? And anybody who know me they know my music is based off heartbreak. I'm just like, oh, let me take this heartbreak. I love getting my feelings hurt because I can make a fire project off of it. Wait, wait, wait. You love getting your feelings. I wouldn't say I love it because it don't feel good. But yeah, I do be like every time

I just channel it to something else. And that's where my best music come from. So it would be like, when I'm not hurt, it was the point when I wasn't hurt, I didn't know how to make music. And so, at this time getting in therapy after I got the heart after I got my heart broke I couldn't create because it was like oh now I got to hold myself accountable I can't use the same cheat code of blaming this girl and then I was just stuck like how am I going rap now because like this girl trying to this lady trying to heal me through therapy and so you know I spent the first year just avoiding like really growing all the way and I still do it I don't think healing look cool you know what I can't even get a lot of holes I keep saying that it's like hard to get girls when I'm healed all the way so I'm like fighting that too all the time you know that But we got a... That was a funny line in the album. That was a great line.

He just stayed in his demon so he'd get some pussy. Yeah. You feel like, but do you feel like as black men, we have to find a, for therapy? I feel like all black men in America especially. I think we all need some type of therapy. I think that too. We've all seen, been through traumatic events, losing friends, family. And then sometimes, you know, we just, we've been taught to be strong man.

You know what I'm saying? You're crying. Like as an artist, you said, you know, you write better when you're hurt. Do you think that's something that we should get away from? Like feeling like we have to be hurt to create great art? No, 100%. That's why I don't like glorifying it, but it was just my truth for a long time. And so I'm still trying to, you know, I'm trying to,

it's something obviously deep in the psyche of black men. My mama never gave me a space to be like emotional because she felt like I had to go out in the world and be tough. So, you know, I grow up and I think the stigma around like, like therapy for niggas is just like this shit is for cuckoos or you soft like you're supposed to just take it to the chin. So there's that. I got to get over. And then yeah, just like finding a way to draw from other experience besides hurt or like trying to force yourself to be in a hurt all the time instead of like trying to see the light at the end of the tunnel. And I think in my previous music, that's what my music was with just like just being hurt but it not being like no type of light at the end of it.

And I think with this album, I kind of like showed at least. a glimpse of light. Like I'm trying to at least grow a little bit because like I can't stay in the same cycle and say I'm trying to be an example for my kid or even be an example for people in the world if I'm just like not growing, consciously not growing. Especially when I'm aware and that's the part I hate like being aware of stuff because it was easier when I was ignorant to it. You know what I'm saying? Oh, that's a team on this podcast. Yeah. Self-awareness is the most annoying thing. It's trash. Like, nobody wants to fucking. It makes me more depressed in somewhere. Yeah. I hate it. How far into therapy did you start feeling creative again?

maybe like I say maybe six months into it. But even then it was still ups and downs because therapy started feeling like a job. And I was still trying to push myself to find new sounds on this project. Like three of the songs came in the day before I had to turn the project in. You know what I'm saying? So that was like three weeks ago. I did L-O-L-S-M-H and Ratchiebood like the day before I turned it in. So yeah, it's still hard.

You know what I'm saying? Still trying to like channel new energies and not come from this. space to hurt all the time. I'm pretty sure I slow down my production rate, you know, and I got to figure out a way to fix it, but I'm a human. I'm trying to figure it out. How far to therapy did you stop lying to your therapist?

I still had hurt sometimes. I had a lot of my therapist. Yeah, it's still stuff I hide from her because it's like, I don't feel like talking about it today. You know what I'm saying? It's some stuff I've already opened up to her about, so we kind of just been staying on them topics for the past couple weeks. I'm like cheating right now. I know it's like... But you're paying for it. Yeah, you know, it kind of feel like you're not...

It kind of feel like you're not paying for it when it's like going through like a label situation. And I never actually handed it. And I'm pretty sure it's coming out. My buddy's somewhere. Oh, for sure. Oh, you're paying for that. Yeah. Let me assure you that you paid for that.

Oh, see? Let me not make false claims. Okay. LBRN has it handled. Okay. Shout out to them. Shut out of LVRN. You've deprived justice of three pairs of cool pants because of your name.

He'll never just say something out of the background. He has to make sure you let me know. Non-nigue. LVRN did that. I want to talk about the artwork for the album cover. Mm-hmm. Who was the creative director for that? Was that your idea?

Nah, I'm not really, like, stuff like that is not really, you know what I'm saying? You can create anything. That's why I got, yeah, you're right. But with this one, I hate taking pictures anyway. I hate, like, photo shoots, all that shit boring to me. So, yeah, it was either Carlin, somebody from LVRN. I'm just going to say LVRN. I love the, I love the artwork.

I said it on last week on the show. I said I love the artwork, more black superheroes, just with it represented, having young black men. on the album cover with you i thought that that was dope i was at the freaking uh when i was at the club in new york they was like me he's so brave for putting your kids on the cover and i'm like niggies ain't my kids like boy i don't know them yeah i don't know these kids but you know so who did the casting call for the kids i don't know these little niggas were just up there i pulled up right there yeah i got five minutes yeah i got three kids out here so weird hell

weird because when I'm sitting on my shoulder, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, man, he probably I don't know him crazy. He's like little boy got his meat by my head. I'm like, man. And you look tired. You got your shoulders back. You look like this took a little while. No, he looked like that ain't his son on his shoulders. That's what he looked like. Now that you really say all of that, you start breaking down his picture. You don't know them kids. You can't be a superhero and not be able to pick up a 10 year old. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, man, them kids be heavy. But the theme of it seem to have to do with your relationship with your pops and your relationship with your son. Was that something that came early with therapy for the theme?

creatively or that was something you wanted to do even before? Yeah, everything, for some reason, I couldn't figure out a like a narrow concept for the album at first. It was hard. I was battling LVR in to like push myself, stop doing the same slow songs every time because I'll get comfortable if I know it works for me. I think you really, I have this theory that a lot of, a lot of rappers low-key want to be R&B artist. No, somebody said that to me yesterday that you really just want to be R&B artist

and you ain't got the voice. And I think that's really what it is. And that's why I'm so inclined to like do melodies on beats all the time. So you know what I'm saying? That first year in therapy also like mad at them for trying to make me try new sounds was hard. And then the more I started talking about these things with my therapist also having a 12-year-old and realizing like, it don't matter what I say to him if I'm not leading by

example, it's like at the end of the day, my words is not matching. So going through his phone, seeing him say could, his friends, like, piss me off because I'm blood for one. And then also, like, why are you gang banging? You know what I'm saying? It's dumb. Um, so. I like that that was the second concern. Yeah. Not the first, right? I should have switched. Because I'm a blood. Yeah. Like, boy, why would you pick that side? But yeah. Just getting through that first, um, yeah, then just figuring out I had unaddressed trauma with my therapist, like stuff I was mad at that I didn't know as mad at saying, I was always saying, I don't care my day or night

in my life, but realizing out the way I was, the way I shut down from affection and stuff like that started being more clear to me. And I started wanting to talk about the message and it started falling in play. I say like a year, like a year in the therapy. How do you approach relationships now? I'm not even saying romantically.

With friends, I'm more patient. I know not everybody got the luxury. I got a therapy and understanding conflict resolution. I grew up thinking like a fade with my homie is how we saw this situation. And I just never lost to none of my homies. That's why I'm still a friend because I can't picture myself really with my ego, getting beat up by the homie and just like sitting with him all day after he just thumped me.

You know what I'm saying? So trying to figure out conflict resolves, I understand. Now I feel pussy because I've definitely lost a fight to my friend. I'm still cool. Yeah, we're still cool. Yeah, I'm just not with it. So therapy's not working. Yeah, no.

No, it's letting me know that fighting don't. Yeah, not in my ego. But not you say that's a good point. But it's letting me know that conflict resolution isn't just fighting. It's me like having patience to understand your point of view because your truth is your truth. But also not getting took advantage of and standing on like firm on my morals. But yeah, just trying to approach my friendships in a more patient perspective. You know what I'm saying?

The album comes out as an artist as a creative. The feeling that you had before it comes out versus the next day. like how do you feel now that it's out everybody's listening to it people reacting some hate it some love it how do you feel now as a creative like okay this was something i worked on and watching people respond to it yeah so the next morning i was hung over like shit so i didn't feel nothing but like me throwing up but to fast forward when a day settled in and i felt like and i started like feeling i start seeing a reaction it felt amazing obviously because it's your art i've been working on it for years even though we in the space of the world where everybody dropping every week.

It's hard to cut through. You know what I'm saying? If you can't, not everybody is afforded to luxury or disappearing, living in your mystique. So I was grateful that. I was able to withstand the test of time and drop another project and that people still cared about regardless of the negative stuff, even though it do bother me. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't see a lot of it because my shit is that nice.

I don't never search my name on Twitter. So that's the thing for me too. So the people who add me just, it'd be like love most of the time. So yeah, it felt great. Then it started being like, I've been feeling it. I've been new this. You're like, y'all late. I fuck with y'all, but I appreciate it.

But come on, but I've been knew how good I was. So then there's that part. And then it's like, all right, what are we going to do now? Like, how are we going to elevate again and how we're going to like be better than this project now? That's like the thought, the next day. No, everything in this next day. I'm telling you, my brain crazy. It's like, I'm like, nah, all right, we got to figure it out now because it's just like.

But does that make you nervous? Because you were saying this all felt like this was. my therapy album, I'm obviously still working on shit, but you said most of your music derives from pain. What happens when you get over the hump of not being fully healed, but... Yeah, so what freedom I did get... Do you want to make happy music?

No. I'm not... I'm not going to do that. I love it, but I can't do it. I love it. I love it, but I can't do it. Well, maybe one day. I'm nice like that. Hmm. But I'm also saying, like, I was, I think doing this project and the concept of me having different personalities, just like open a lot of different doors for me to like do more stuff now and give me more freedom now that I've introduced like

my ignorant side and people can't just box me in is this this rapper or just a gangbanger rapper or just however you know what I'm saying now I could be ratchet bug when I want I could be Anthony and I could just do whatever so the LA league is freestyle yeah one of my favorite one of my two and I appreciate you saying how Anthony got off the most because like that was probably yeah people always saying like I mean retchoole boom went crazy but I really feel like that first verse was crazy but yeah my bad you know you crazy, right? For you to be able to sit there and write from that type of perspective, that's not, there's like a part of your brain because you have to jump into each of

one of those personalities. Not crazy in a bad way, but it's like, that's some genius. And I appreciate that. And I got to, what I got to say is, it's showing me the importance. And not, it don't got to necessarily be management or just having somebody in your life that you'll let push you where that's like, don't hold you accountable or like see greatness in you. That's like, see the greatness in you. And it's like going to make you step into that greatness. because like I would have went up there probably and just got off thinking it's like my greatest verse ever but it's having a team like no you could do better than this let's try to do something creative and you know what I'm saying?

It push me always like and it's uncomfortable but it's necessary so how important is it for you to be with a group and people like LVR in because that's a family like every time I see you guys I'm just like yo I just love and I tell you a real time like I love what they're doing I love the fact that they're so invested in each other on a personal level Because to me, if you're going to work with somebody, especially artists and creatives, you have to understand the person, the artist. Like you can't just, we need a record, we need a song. You know, a lot of labels, that's how they work. We need a record.

We need a song. And it's like with LVRN, it's almost like the cool kids at the high school in the cafeteria at the table. And everybody is dope and everybody has a talent. And everybody plays their part. How important was it for you at this point in your life as an artist to be surrounded by that type of energy? man i didn't even know how necessary it was until i got around them because i had management before and i thought i had the greatest manager in the world because this was all i knew until we hit our ceiling then i got around people that wasn't just letting me slide that was calling me out and of course

like it's irritating that first when your brain already conditioned a certain way to get away with shit but then you start seeing the results of it and you're like why would i ever do anything other than it's or why would i ever want any type of other circle around me so i'd be trying to preach shit to my friends like, man, y'all need to be like this because they'd be having little groups and I'll be telling them like, y'all need to have conversations, be honest with each other. Like, they'd be saying crazy stuff to me. Like in the message, they'd be like the shit trash. Like, and like, I know right now we got that language with each other. You probably can't say that to everybody, but I get it. It's love. And they're like, boo, we know how great you is. So push yourself.

So that shit, hell important. Especially for, for somebody like me who always in my head, who always like, I'm doing this wrong. I'm doing this wrong. B battling these thoughts. I need somebody around me that's going to like calm me down but still push me at the same time was uh i won't say who the rappers are rappers are shady i was in a writing camp two days ago we were talking about colors performances i was there i was there all three of you was there um and you got brought up quick and i was like yeah book might have the best colors performance and then another rapper that did colors was like man if i would have known i could change outfits reason told me this last night so you probably it was probably it was probably he was probably

Yeah, I know. He said, I wish it would have told me, you know what I'm saying? Because his, I think, fin a drop. So shout out to my boy. Me, him and Jed was drunk as hell last night. Yeah. That's an interesting group. Yeah, we was getting cut stuff by Jim Manager about how.

I wasn't necessarily say trap rappers, but, you know, just in that space are outworking us and how we think just because we create us that we're going to beat them. You know what I'm saying? And he also said we're the reason people getting killed because little black kids is getting killed. kill because our message isn't as big as it's supposed to be because that's our responsibility. So harsh, but got a little validity to it. He put all the that on y'all. That's a lot. Harsh, but you can't put that on.

Yeah, obviously. But if you think about the core of it, I get what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? Like, y'all need to do more and be more active and be more president. And I understand what he's saying. But why would the trap rappers be outwork? I want to know the definition of outworking. I think not outworking.

I think outdropping. It's really the word is just outdropping. We take, we don't. How so, though? Justice said they're outworking this. I think, yeah, I think from his mind, whatever, from the way he looking at it, they just go in the studio, they're not, they just dropping records, they're going in there recording, and then they're getting a song out, they're not overthinking, they're not trying to disappear.

Well, that's because, to me, that's more, it's like fast food. Yeah. Like, they putting out those joints, and it's like, yeah, you'll take the, easier to create, we'll take those extra value meals. It's like, we all from them place, like, yeah, we'll take the number seven. But it doesn't, does it stick? No, but I don't know, I think it's still great in the world. I don't want to say what we doing is greater.

I just think if you're going to choose, at this point I'm learning, if you're going to choose to play the rap game or the music industry, you got to really choose to play it and understand, understand it for what it is because the artist was saying last night, like, but we do it because we love it. And I understand if you don't care about money or like your finances, then you really doing it for that, then don't complain about how the situation is, you know what I'm saying?

but if you were trying to play this music game and survive, play it at a high level. Outwork is the wrong word because it's a different approach in the way y'all create. You guys are more album-based than just constant single-based. It's a different approach. He can't tell me I'm out working if I'm trying to figure out stuff in my brain all day. It's not like I'm not sitting there trying to write 24 hours a day. It's a different approach where they're allowed a higher volume. Let me explain.

It's not about volume. It's about presence. So the thing is, it's not about he needs to drop five albums a year, but when you're looking at rap, rap is a lifestyle, right? So, like, I know we like to put a barrier in between two people now or two different types of rap, but, like, when you look at Tupac, when you look at Biggie, when you look at Jay, it's a lifestyle. They embodied everything of it.

Like, they gave us great music, but they were also still outside. They were networking, they were doing everything they need to do. And they were dropping all the fly shit, the clothes, the videos, the movies, like they're outworking, and that's what, that's what the younger guys are doing that are in this trap situation, and it makes it feel like guys that are on the other side of hip hop are kind of more recluse and not doing as much. That's, but that's a weird example because when Pop Big and Jay at that time, that was popular rap music, they could do that because they were at the forefront of music.

It's because they're outworking. But then the game wasn't as, it's over saturated now too, though, because everybody. So, like, how do you explain Drake? Right? Like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, it's like, if, if the mentality switches as I belong to be in the same space as a money bag yo, for example, and my music is not going to deter any of that. You're going to put yourself in that space. Then how would you explain Kendrick and Cole?

If we're going off that, that's the definition of work. Kendrick is not a real example because people forgot Kendrick when he first started. Now he's in a different space. He doesn't have to come outside. But when he first started, that man was working. he was outside. But I don't think he hasn't really been outside

since Section 80. Yeah. What do you mean? When he dropped Good Kid Mad City? He wasn't really outside like that. When he dropped Good Kid Mad City, he was not outside like that, no. How was he not outside?

Where was it? My man literally was riding through California on top of trucks. Literally was in, was at a Dr. Dre show and got the keys to the city. Like, he was, he did videos with Doc.

He was really doing what rappers were supposed to do. That's a visual though. It's not per se working and going out. Like, Kendrick wasn't a lifestyle. way Jay was with the champagne club culture and button downs and that entire shit. No, obviously.

It was based off the music. Kendrick is not as outside as Jay was, right? But again, there's a difference. Doesn't change the fact that he was still doing what he was supposed to do in their space. Like, for example, we're talking about Jay Reeves and Bug. These are all super fucking talented people. Obviously, I think Boog's more talented. But neither here nor there, I think that I never see any of them outside.

I never see any of them do what rappers are supposed to do. At the end of the day, at the end of the opportunity to be, quote unquote, outside? That's a good question. That's a good question. You say what? Do you think they're afforded the opportunity to be quote unquote outside? You create the opportunity because I literally watched the artist. Like, for example, I watched the artist like Travis Scott, right?

Like it wasn't like, it wasn't like Travis was always destined to be where he was. He created the opportunity. That's a fact. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. The mentality has to change because it's like at the end of the day, it's rap, this music, right? I can stand next to 21 Savage.

I can stand next to fucking. and whoever it is, right? And I know my skills are on your level, so we're supposed to be in the same room. Now I'm going to do all the fly shit that I'm supposed to do because at the end of the day, rap is for kids. Kids love rap,

and you have to make the shit look fire. Okay, but I watched Reason do a video with AvSoul where he brought out fucking 10,000 people in front of a cleaners in Carson. Like, I've seen him do the same thing. Jid did a thousand tour a day after the Dreamville shit. Like, I've watched them constantly go outside.

When was the last time Reason went to Wanoa and try to make everybody in their fans? I don't think that's the strategy with the type of music he's making. That was my point of saying. And that's what I'm saying. And that's what I'm saying. And that's what I'm saying.

When they were doing it. No, that's what I'm saying. That's a perception. When Jay, when Jay was used to go to fucking whatever club that was popping in New York, he bought the whole table fucking champagne bottles because you're going to know my name. You might not like my music, but you're going to know my name.

I'm going to promote my shit. And still crulled back. He can't afford a fucking table at one oak with all the champagne. Say what? You said what? Reason didn't lose 92 bricks and still crawled back. Like, that's expensive. I'm sure reason can look at top and say, hey, top, I really want to go outside and I

really want to do this thing. I need a budget. Let's figure it out. But if that's not, if that's not you, then it becomes corny. Yeah, I think, I think it's just, it all depends on the artist. Like, you can't, I understand what justice is saying. You need to maybe, like, Boog needs to be out more and be more, you know, in people's faces and connecting with people on a real level more.

So I understand working in that aspect. think that the game is a little different now. I think that, you know, with, with, like, drill rap, which is like the popular rap now, the popular sound. Yeah, yeah. It's just a little different when, because now a guy like Boogie is looked at as like, uh, like a wordy or like trying to kick knowledge type of rapper where that's not really,

it's not really that. It's just that it's not the drill. It's not the, I want to say basic because it's, it's an art form to that drill shit, but it's not as complex as what Boog is doing, uh, switching, you know, into different personalities and characters and rapping from different perspectives

and things like that. I just think that, you know, you have to find a medium. Maul, you make a great point. And I'm going to just say this last thing because it's not my interviewist's a book's interview. I'm going to say you make a great point. The only thing is what I'm saying is that

you don't have to go to the club, right? You don't have to do all these things that are low-hanging fruit that obviously you would sue a rapper would do. Yeah. But it's about creating your lifestyle. Like, for example, Kanye West was an artist that was not like dip set.

Yeah. But his lifestyle was fashion. He went to Paris. He did all the things that he was supposed to do to create his lifestyle and document it to make it a thing. And that's what I'm saying. It's like they haven't created what their lifestyle is. You take an artist like Tyler, his lifestyle is Fairfax. Right.

And he created that lifestyle and that movement because that's a part of rap. And targeted that group first. That's a part. That's a fair point. And even shit, even with Cole with the Doll and a Dream tour when you first started like, I understand. I understand. I understand. For sure.

You got to great lifestyle. I do understand what you. It's true. I think it is truth to both sides, but I think, like, I guess us type of creators got to find a way to work efficiently in the same way that works for them. Because, like you said, we can't just go out and, like, go to the clubs because that's not going to work for us. But we got to stop thinking we could just live off our, like, live off our talent in a creative video or a more film or something like that. You know what I'm saying? And it's a little one piece is you do got to create the lifestyle.

But I don't think everybody know how to create a lifestyle either. That's not difficult. Shit, not easy. Especially if it's not genuine. It comes up. How fuck you create a lifestyle when you're just trying to bar up? You know what I'm saying? I see something like bug and jid.

Like if y'all could do something like every week, y'all just hang out on like different college campuses and just get in. Oh, no, they're not been putting me in no college world. Why not? I'm just fine. And just do like ciphers with like the students that go with it? You think I don't like backpack niggis?

You don't like backpacking? No, I hate backpack shit. Why not? No, because that shit boring in me. No, that's not boring, bro. That shit is, it's a different, again. I take that back. I don't think it's boring because we ain't making cool yet. That's valid.

That's what I'm saying. That's all the reception. Also, growing up for me was just like, I'm either R&B or super ignorant music. That's just the only music I listen to. I know it's probably sound like. But it's ignorant students on college campuses as right. All right. I went to college, trust me.

But I'm just not trying to wrap about like the universe and stuff like that with no college. No, no. Now, I think you think, I'm just saying like more so like, just connect with like college students. and just like just be because they are the next way. No, you're right. It is. And they're going to create the next. And they get,

they be like the main ones understanding my message about like, understanding their potential and their future. So you're right. That could be my world. Just shit like that. Just hanging out on college campuses. That's my world, bro.

No, I'm telling you. I mean, I became a Jaycoe fan for life because of that. Right. Like, like college students are a huge market. Right. Jay Cole, Wale, even Kendrick. That was their circuit. For sure.

And they worked it. Like, like Cole will be, Coe might just on a random Tuesday be walking to Howard University campus and that just is what it is. And you got to touch people. Like that's just you got to create your culture.

But also the major label push does help in that regard and let's use drill for example. The lyrical rap shit, yes, it's profitable. There's always the number one rapper every year is always lyrical. No matter what, no matter what year you talk about, the number one is always a lyrical do.

But below that is where all the real profit is. And volume game right now, drill would be more profitable than trying to find that one standout lyrical person that we're going to put dollars behind and make, create this lifestyle shit. Because yes, did Cole do a lot of that dialing a dream shit all by himself? And we feel like Rock would even admit they fucked that up and didn't realize what Cole was doing, making him single chase and all that. But it did help that he was on fucking Columbia. Like, he was able to take risks by himself because he had that backing. And I just feel like with the drill shit, they're maybe not outworking, they just may have more resources

because it's easier for these labels. Now, you know Atlantic doesn't give a fuck about an album. Atlantic wants to put out singles. That's what's profitable right now. And drill, you're able to do that. Whereas what Boog, Rees, and Jid are trying to do is projects, and those take three years to do. And we're going to bank on something that takes three years that may not

work. Or I can take this two-minute record that I know is going to playlist and find the next sound that's going to be just like that and put out 20 of them and then move on in the next sound. Yeah, but what my thing is it's not even again it's not about the music output it's just about being the sound output is what i'm talking about yeah i mean that's one thing but what i'm saying is that at the end of the day ma's just had an idea where it's just like how are you in people's faces like like my thing is like it's like creating stories it's like if next story was fuck like bug went to go to

more house and like he got a dorm and he created his album there you know i'm saying that's a story now you're creating a whole lifestyle like you know what i'm saying like it's also like tapping into like, like, Boog is not really like the party guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a party nigga. Like tap into the resources around you to be able to help create your lifestyle too. Like the weekend does that very well. He doesn't go outside like that. You know what I'm saying? But he taps everybody around him to help create that and shield that. He brings everybody into his world. Exactly. You know what I mean?

The features on the album. Shelly, shout out the drum. My boy. Snoop. Uncle. how that's like two totally different all over the place you know what I mean yeah how did that come about like as far as you did you do you hear the records and you're like okay I got to get drama on this or so when I was working when I did the song I I remember LVR and just complaining about how they had no single and I took it like offensive because I was like they're trying to make it sound like I'm being lazy

so I was crying then I got out the phone with my because I nage was like telling me I was being lazy so I cried then I recorded I was like all right. And I was like, oh, look, we got to sing. All you got to do is like, say this to you. So then I went to Atlanta to finish it with Justice and Shelley just in the background singing over every goddamn beat you play in the studio. You don't let you have your own session.

The nigger just sing. So, you know, he starts, these niggas ain't nothing. I was like, yeah, that shit hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, that happened organically in the studio with Snoop. My mom used to be married to this fuck nigga. But, you know what I'm saying? He from 20 Crip, which is a Long Beach game, which is where Snoop was from.

So I kind of met them when I was younger. And then I say that Trump card, even though my mom and I was not with the dude no more, I got booming and Snoop always still supported me. So I knew I could get a feature. And he gave me two verses in like 30 minutes. I get his love rapping, I think. That's tough.

How do the soldier boy one coming up? I was in the studio on bullshit. I didn't even think I wanted to keep that song. I was just playing trying to record. I was like, hold on this shit hidden. And I was like, it's giving me, I don't know, this gave me soldier boy energy. And I was playing.

And I sent justice to text like, yo can we get soldier on this and like got it back in a couple days I like it when I saw it on the track list I was like this was like that was when I was like soldiers I heard the beat and I was like all right where is this going to go reason walked up to me yesterday or two days ago say he didn't like Snoop Dog verse on the album

I don't know if reason why I didn't much Snoop to know that but fuck it. Oh my gosh see that's what I do I just be rambling sometimes it's all good fuck it, dude. I wasn't my favorite snoop verse but all right man

I like the Snoopers on it. I love comedy. Yeah, it's Snoop. You know what I mean? Like, it's Snoop. We're not expecting Snoop to go in kick your ass on the on the verse. No, I liked it. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't.

Nobody go kick my ass. Not you, Snoop, not nobody. Not Smino? That's one thing I like about. He's a cheater though. He's been worse. That's not even. I can't compete with a nigga who make up words.

That's one thing I like about. Snoop was making up words. No, he said, Thadet T. But Boogie always been the type of artist Like I start talking about somebody I'm like I'm like bubba he can't fuck with you though And bug nobody can't fuck with me

And I'm just like alright fan my bad I believe it I believe in now though I think last year I was saying that shit But I didn't really believe it Nah I'm just like Hype myself up now I feel like When I just

The people I looked up to When I really feel like I could compete with them That's how I know I really believe it now What's one rapper where you hear him every time And you like Fuck he nice Drake and Kendrick Those are the two

Them two niggas Every time Drake do some time a day in the city like 3 a.m. somewhere, you know what I'm saying? I was like, damn, this man get on my nerves. Or when, you know, when Kendrick got when I heard Count Me Out or the song with Kendrick Fighting a Girl on the album,

those two songs, I was like, fuck. She got me hot. Man, I get mad. Speaking of Kendrick album, you, uh, he wasn't even rhyming. So what? It was so energy. I felt it. Especially I got a baby mom and it sound like how we used to be when I killed.

Yeah, that's like everybody cannot think that had a relationship to relate to that record. So did you, the record with Kendrick and Summer, did you write some of that? I hope forrest. I help with Summerverse. See, you're an R&B. Yeah, exactly. That's my vibe, man.

Don't play with me. Play with somebody else. I just don't understand how you could love that Kendrick interlude of the fighting and then write something that's shut the fuck up when you hear love talking. I mean, I didn't write that part. Oh, that wasn't your boss? Nah, shut the fuck on your love talking. No, that's not, man.

So you wrote Summer's verse. I didn't say that. I said I helped with Summerverse. Okay, my bad. Samantis. There's NDAs and I know. Nah, for real. I just get helped.

No, you helped. I'm not. You helped with Summer's part. At midnight when the album came out, did you secretly hope your ex of three years would text you after she listened to it? And did she text you? Nah, my ex is happily moved on and probably with the person. You don't know if she's happily.

I lurk her page every day. Oh, so she'll catch she's happily. You know what I'm saying? What do you think of the new dude? I think he's, I think they're good for each other. I think I feel like obviously mad about the situation because I know him, you know what I'm saying?

Not knowing them like that, but it's somebody around. So that part frustrate me. But when I remove my ego from it, I wasn't a good boyfriend. Okay. That's real. There's also that. I appreciate that. Yeah.

So do you think she listened? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. It's still a flex. I always still want to flex on her all the time. So I don't, I don't want to see her lose. I want her to win in life, but I want to win more. Yeah. That's one.

That's real, though. I want to win more. I want to win more. I think her new dude felt away when, like, maybe he was just on her laptop, going to Apple music to type in some shit and so Westside Bullies recently played. He's in the industry so you know what I'm saying? He probably... Oh, he ain't

playing that shit in the car. He's an industry dude? He ain't playing your shit. He ain't playing your shit in there by itself. Like he went in the store to get something. He'd come back and Bug coming through the speakers. He's for sure turning that off. Yeah, she's never going to play my shit around him. And he's not going to play my shit no more. That's hate though. It is hate. Why you hate? What if I like your old

dude? Yeah, like he's nice. He talented. Like, if my ex-girl used to date I don't know, Kyrie Irvin. You think I'm not going to watch the game because he's nice. And I'm going to draft on my fantasy team if he's available.

I don't give a pun. Yeah, I'm going to ask her how he's feeling. I think it depends on how yeah, if like sales like reason or jay mic, I'm never listening to them niggas again. No, man, you can't say that. Well, one that'd be kind of weird because you kind of like,

yeah, but nice direct peers. Like, you know what I'm saying? Anybody I feel like is like, I'm in the world with them, I ain't playing them niggas no more It's like hell no All these niggas Who are bigger than me

Or lower than me I'm gonna talk to your therapist Tonight I don't know she's really doing a job They gotta change the budget With the third It's not working with the book He don't even want to listen

To the music no more Maybe I'll do better in that situation You know what I'm saying But I'm also glad I'm showing this part In that people understand therapy Ain't just like immediate results Yeah no I mean that's the new wave

And you know Because therapy's become trendy and everyone thinks like, oh, I'm in therapy, like you fixed. See, we make therapy trendy. Let's make hanging out on college campuses doing ciphers with the kids. Let's make that trendy. You know what I'm saying? In our culture, we can make anything cool.

As long as this is this on the hold of there, man. At college? Come on, family. College? Of course. But I will say they're not, they're going to walk right past the cipher and go to the party with the jail music. Yeah, if they can't twerk to it. They try to hear your therapy bars.

I put out my red bandana. Is that what works? I don't think you want to scare them. they'll see that it might be go back to their dorm. Boogie was the first blood I met that wore crox. Yeah, that was an interesting fact. My sense of like... But why, though?

Like, gang bang is always with house slipping. For one, I don't know how to travel. For one, I don't even know how to travel. For one, I don't even understand what you're supposed to wear when you go places. Justice sending us this list of colors and pastels. I'm going to what the fuck? I'm trying to wear some basketball shorts of wife beaters. And now my assistant got me wearing his dumb ass silk shirt.

It was like, yeah, I was like... Justice is just trying to change your palette. I get it. You know, you're like, man, we got to get it. you in fashion. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You should.

Even that's fashion, though. He has you wearing cool pants. My assistant bought me these pants. I don't, I can't get it. No, that's a good look. That's not, that's you. You know what I'm saying? It's not forced.

Yeah. Good vibe. Goodbye. Wait, but is your assistant in fashion? No, she just a girl. No, that's it. That's all you need. You just need a girl that know what pieces to go grab.

Exactly. You're in fashion now. I'm busting now. But look at you fucking up with the lifestyle. You should be in Paris right now. Exactly. Man, I suck there. You suck in Paris? I feel like I would suck there.

Why? Paris? Like, so when that shit seemed boring, just sitting there watching people walk. I love fashion people. I love models. I don't want to get canceled off models. You're already talking up this new lifestyle that we're going to create. Man, it's just like, we're just quiet watching people walk. Yeah. And then they were like, boomz, boom, no. No, but then they got no. Kendrick just performed. No, that shit looked hard. This was talking about that. Kendrick performed.

That shit looked hard on performing. But still. sitting there look boring. I don't want to sit there. Yeah, but I mean, if you, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, you know, I'm gonna go. Of course, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, yeah, man, why not? Fuck that. But. But justice will make you go anyway.

No, no, no. It's gonna make you go and wear some of his cool pants. I do. I just don't know what, again, like you saying, I'd stand there with like a see-through shirt. Yeah, it's just vibing. I don't know nothing. I feel like that's all I've seen on IG is just. see-through shirts

at Paris Fashion Week Yes That's probably To look Next season That's you know Coming in I'm gonna be wearing

Hold on Where is Kendrick and Matt On there's That's Paris Yeah I'd imagine At the Louis Vuitton Fashion show I ain't never on Louis Vuitton

Dave free is Is the best named Dash of all time Because he just He just sit there He don't talk Dave free is amazing He's from the hood Shout out to the homies

I'm scared Now I take back That was offensive I apologize Shout out to day free, man. An artist that you want to work with, but you won't say it. Like, you won't approach him about it.

Hmm. And for whatever reason, you just won't never bring it up to him. That's a great question. Probably, I think game is a legend. For sure. Yeah, probably him. He gave him. He gave him.

a look though he gave me a video shoot before you know what I'm saying but he even in his competitive bag and he keeps saying he the best rapper out so now I'm not going well he's on a rollout right now yeah I don't care me too I saw him he just put out hit boy him and hit boy put a record out together violence yeah violence is your hard it's very hard I'm curious though with the album title drillmatic and when I heard violence I was happy

because I love games one of my favorite rappers I don't want to see he um was playing 2K I need to get to that point where I could just ignore $6 million how much do we believe game though because game got legendary lives. Like he's gay to get some shit off. It's like, bro, hold up. Y'all don't think he could get a $6 million tour? No, no, no.

We know he can. I just don't think he turned it down to play 2K, is what I'm saying. I didn't been in some dark video game bags like to where like I look up and I've been in my underwear for two days and I'm like, boy, what the fuck going on? Yeah, but you wouldn't be in that bag if it was a $6 million tour. Nah, but I also haven't made as much money as him to have a luxury to turn down $6 million. but I don't know if I'm ever going to get to that point. You'll get to that point.

$6 million is turning down? Six million. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I believe game on that one. I'll fuck with game, but I don't know if you turned a day. He said, I could have been a billionaire if I wanted to. Like, see, even that is like, wait, who says that? Yeah, game, exactly.

I could have been a billion if I wanted to, but you could have been a billion if I wanted to play 2K. That's just like, okay, we need to get you some help. I mean, that's just like, I respect juicy Smiley right now. still dying on the lie. He just did the whole interview with Swee. He's still dying on the lie. Nah, they turned the comments off.

I was watching, I was looking at that yesterday. That shit was funny because now the comments is going to my sway freestyle because it was the last thing that came out before Jesse. So they, they on your shit. Now my whole comment section is, why the fuck y'all turn Jesse on?

Jesse a bitch. I'm thinking my shit going viral. I'm like, look at me comments my shit, God. I'm up. It's all Jesse. Shit I mean, hi. You know, look at all the shit that happened around your release. Jesse, Drake,

Beyonce, the Warriors. There's a lot of shit around boogie's release. Tell me hot. It's a conspiracy. Did you watch the Swazier, though? Nah, I just went to a couple of parts. I kept trying to look for the part where he called out

the, let me get these letters right, LGBT community. The one way to remember that is let's get Biden to quit. Oh, I'm up. I'm feeling used that every time now. No, that shit didn't fall in off the bike. It was so funny. But anyways, fucking, yeah, I watched some of it.

But I couldn't find that part where he called the community out. But he's standing on his truth, right? He said it's the truth still. No, he's standing on his lie. Yeah, I mean, we know he lied, but he's going to die with the lies. So if he ended up, if it ended up coming out that he told the truth, they're all going to all like publicly have apologized to my name. He's not telling it.

Boogie, if you've been in situations where niggas have gotten jumped before, I'm sure. You think if they had a subway sandwich, that subway sandwich, that's Subway sandwich is making it home with that gentleman? Facts. One of the homies gonna pick it up. Like, yo, ain't we taking your sandwich?

Nah, he's hilarious. That's saying, we know Jesse is lying about that whole thing, but, you know, he wanna down the lives. It is what it is. I don't know. I don't pay attention to that shit.

Shut up, Jesse, man. What show is he from? Empire. Empire. Where's your love of life now? Because after this album, I can tell you, sounds like it's in fucking shambles.

It's not in shambles. I think I'm more, what I've been trying to do, I've been thinking because I'm being honest with girls that if I still move like a fuck nigg that it, exempts me from all like blame and I'm trying to realize even if I be honest to these girls and I don't and then I tell them I'm not ready for a relationship but I see that they still on relationship time and I still

move forward with them I'm kind of still wrong in a sense you know what I'm saying it took me a while to get over that yeah so you're all being an asshole yeah so yeah that's all the point so I'm dealing with like I've been like going out because my album came out and I've been inviting all the girls I talk to and it's just like I realize this is messed up because like you know They just all feel in the way they can all tell. But I'm like, man, I told all y'all the truth. As far as being a dad, how do you feel like that is affecting your career in a positive way? Oh, the patience part, just because, like, when stuff not going my way, I don't know how I could correlate it from the two, but I'm just more patient than life because of my kid.

So there's that. When I'm, like, feeling low, like, even before I go perform, I always, like, just picture my kid right before I go on stage for some reason. Or I like a tap his face on my phone or some shit like that. And I just he all, it's like a cheat code for niggas. If you got a kid, it's always like a source of strength. Every time you're feeling down or low, it's like, I got this whole life I'm responsible for who I got to be a light for. That's how Rory is with Basley.

That is true. That's fine. Whenever we got a pod and he's filling down, he just FaceTime's Basley and he hasn't seen her how much. He jumps in the game. Hey guys. He feels like I asked to see father. Huh? Who's Basely?

My dog. Oh, okay. That's what's what's up. man, Charlton, basically. Yeah. Speaking of parenting, and I know we're jumping

all over the place. I love that. With the killer mode video at the end, did you share that note with your mother before the video came out or did she watch it in real time?

The crazy part, I did a colors interview before that, and I never had spoke about nothing outside of my therapist how I was angry with my mom. Like, for the past, since I've been a grown-up,

my mama calls me to tell me she loved me, like, baby, I love, and it pisses me off. Like, it irritates me. I was like, ah, okay, you doing too much, you know what I'm saying?

And I couldn't, figure out while I was so angry until my therapist, we talked about me not having that space to be emotional. And how like now, when she tried to do it now, it's just like, it's too late. So I talked, I said that on colors. And my mama called me the next day, like, being passive. Uh, huh, what's you doing? Uh, yeah, I saw your interview. Like, and then, you know what I'm saying? So that part, her not being offended, we had to get through that. And then she finally came to a space, like, I get it. And you know what I'm saying? And she was just mad that I didn't talk to her by the first, which is understandable. So when she saw that letter, she wasn't tripping because

I already went on the whole interview about how she didn't. me scantless. Yeah, I tried to talk shit about my parents behind the paywall on Patreon. Didn't. And then I found out they paid it. Caught your ass. Yeah, they paid for the way. Caught your ass.

Yeah. They paid the $10. So my daddy too, I'd be going, he sent me like a, he sent me like a Facebook messages like once a year. He left my life when I was 12. And then he just sent you a Facebook message? No, I'm going to fast forward. I got a brother on my daddy side who older than me.

I hadn't seen him since I was 12 either. And then when I was like, when I was 18, I was walking with my best. friend who a Crip, who was walking in Long Beach, like just walking around being 17, who was walking around being ghetto, you know, just walking from the park. I've seen my brother, and I'm like, damn, I ain't seen you in forever. He grew up to be a Crip, and I'm with some Crips he don't get along with at the time. So I'm like, everybody's cool. He like, I miss you.

Give me your number. I'm going to see you later. I go to my baby mama house at the time before my kid was born. I had already ran away from home and was living with her. So me and all the homies in the front yard, my brother, I gave my brother the address, but then I thought about it, like, It's probably not smart if my brother come over here because I don't want them to get into it. I had already gave me the address at this time.

So let me make sure I don't dry snitch or nothing. So either way, go that night, my baby mama house got shut up. My brother didn't do it. I'm not saying he did it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We can't do that. I'm just saying. I ain't saying he did it, but he's a suspect.

I'm just saying my baby mama house got shot up. Either way, and my best friend, my best friend got shot in the neck. I only bring this story you have to talk about how after that my daddy reached out for me for the first time since I was 12 I was like, why are you trying to set your brother up? And that shit piss me off

because I was just like, what? You know, that's only a black family story. No other culture could tell that story. That's a black problem. You see the black problems we got for you? You're Irish men, though. Y'all don't do shit like that. We're fist to cuffs more than guns. But you know how we said logic should be the face of 23 of me?

Yeah. I think now maybe Boogie could for finding your sibling. That's a crazy ass story. Yeah. So then my best friend got shot in the neck. It was our first time doing lean. So he didn't panic. And I feel like that's what saved his life because he was just sitting there like chilling.

Like damn, I'm shot. No, I think the bullet in his neck caused him to chill. I'm just taking the kid. He wasn't crying though. He was just like, I didn't see people get shot. I got shot and I was screaming like a little bitch. And the neck? No, I got shot in the foot.

So, you know. Yeah, the neck is different. is different. So maybe he was like, I ain't moving. Yeah, you don't want to, yeah. You can't be that. You can't move. So.

Why are you trying to set your brother out? Your brother definitely shot that fucking, he shot that house up and said, yeah, that little niggins tried to send me up. And that shit had me hot because I'm like, I had just walked in the house like five seconds before. So it was like, damn, niggas was trying to really smoke me. Like, I know it's nighttime. So I know you wasn't aiming at my, my homie who liked the app.

So then my daddy, and I didn't reply to my daddy. So then like five years later I got a Snickers commercial I go to his page He like I don't listen to my kid music But I like this and posted the Snickers commercial with Elton John That's such a proud black dad

Look at the message I don't listen to this music but I like Snickers god damn But was that message right above the No that's not even a message It's on his feed he's finally proud to like shout me out You know what I'm saying so then he just sent me a long message Like I'd be listening to your music It seemed like you got resentment towards me

I just want you to know I tried to be in your life but your mama chased me away like I tried to go to court you know what I'm saying I'm not saying my mom was easy to deal with but I just know it's nobody that can keep me away from my kids so I'm never gonna take that

as an excuse. Should have gave him the address too. Exactly. He would have shot that shit up too popped up to give me a goddamn good so at no point the friend that got shot in the neck didn't ask you did you send him?

No he know he know he was there when it he was there when it happened he know like how I blew it you know what I'm saying by even giving up the address, but also like... Wait, were you there when the house got a shout-in? Yes, that's what I said. We were standing in the front.

I was like, I'm going to go pee. As soon as I got in the house. Oh, you set him up. Oh, yeah, that's shady. That's why. You walked off. That's why. You were crazy in our belly.

I'm about the blow, done. Yeah, I know. And you gave him lean to parallel. No, for one, I didn't give him a lien. I didn't even take none of the lien. He was over the same. You were sober as fuck. He bought that shit in somewhere else.

Man, that's my best friend. I'm glad. he's okay though for real. Bogie, that is one of the craziest fucking stories I've ever heard of my life. I know, man. And then now, and then my brother,

pastor now. He's a pastor? Yes. Oh, wow. Did you speak to your brother after that incident? Hell no, I ain't never talked to that man, but I got a message for him one time saying he's a pastor.

He act, I think he just act like, he just act like the situation not happening. You know what I'm saying? How come Paul doesn't like us? Damn. That was crazy. Real?

I think. I think he, but I think Paul doesn't like you, right? I just think that you, my man, I just got to take that beef with you. Yeah, I don't think he's not, he don't like y'all.

I don't think he walking around holding that energy. I just think. I don't think Paul cares that much about me either. I think it's valid that he will be, like, hesitant to fuck with you off. Y'all, y'all be critiquing the label so much. But out of love, though. Do we be, do we critique the label like that? Do you think you do?

I think we've, I think, I can make a case that Roy and I have supported a lot of the shady artists. I don't think no one supports in media more of that roster than more. I agree. I agree with you. From this, from the start. I definitely. But so you think, but you critique the infrastructure or the system of Shady, the Shady system in the way it's set up or the business model? Yeah, it's the same way I do every other label.

Well, not. Yeah, every other label. But it's more so because of the artists that we know that the sign of Shady, how talented they are. It's just like I want to see them get a fair shot. Like, and I want to see them get the opportunities and have the access that a lot of other artists have that are not near as talented as the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. roster that shit he has. And I feel you, and I know that's coming out of a place of love. But y'all got to understand the other side to it is like, all right, if y'all go, what's your right to critique? If y'all going to do this, it's also my right to just not fuck with y'all. Oh, no. Without question. Let me explain. I know y'all. I also know y'all. I also know y'all

I don't care. I know that. But I would just say like, I just say like, I did it. I understand if I may have said some things that you may feel some type of way about or somebody may feel some type of way about. But understand, it's never like any intents. indiscreet disrespect. Like, I don't agree with my point of view. It's probably, it's his baby.

It's his project. Oh, no, I'm sure, but I should be getting weird text messages from people that work at Shady and like, oh yeah, see,

probably, probably me. Yeah, like, bro, calm down. I'm just playing. I never said that.

But it's a lot of, it's a lot of, it's a lot of, it's a lot of, it's a lot of, because I feel, because again, I've also never heard.

I've also never heard none of this. I ain't going to lie. The, uh, the, the, critique towards shady. So I just felt like, I think it's a lot of old previous shit that was said. And sure.

We were standing near it. So it's kind of like, oh. But as of recent, we did a Conway interview at Soulhouse that was like for the audience. And we put it on Patreon. I don't even think maybe some of it made YouTube. Yeah. It was like, and I think I could be wrong because I always am not sure what I say on this podcast.

And I look back. I'm like, oh, fuck. From what I remember, all I said was it appears like Conway did most of this roll out by himself as it appears. That's all. And you can't be that fully yourself to get mad at somebody saying that. Yeah, so I think I think

I think the misconception that why I'm so cool with being that shady and I can't speak on other people's problems, my expectations is different. You know what I'm saying? I don't go into it expecting them like to hand me a bag of money, create ideas for me. I think it's just to help

when they can and like I just look at it like you letting me have your platform to make my platform bigger. If Eminem handing me a stack of money, I'm just gonna look at them like, I'm gonna owe you this later. Of course. I'm not saying. Sure, absolutely. You know what I'm saying?

So it's not really nothing they can do for me. My rollout comes from my infrastructure, LVRN, my homies. And you know what I'm saying? I think everybody should have their own team when they go on a label situation. For sure. So if Conway did, he probably did do it by itself.

He probably wanted to do it by itself. Who fucking knows? But yeah, I just don't know what, what would you expect the label to do for artists during a rollout? What do you expect? Like, is it? It's certain looks. It's certain like, why you're not doing these magazines or like, what do you expect?

Yeah, I think at this point with the majors, it's certain looks. Yeah. Certain looks. Every artist should not get the same looks as other artists. True is not. But it's just certain energy and certain just, you know, you see certain artists that's like, damn, like he's so dope. But she doesn't get the push and the attention. And, you know, she doesn't get the whole building behind her like this artist.

Yeah. And granted, you have to work up to that. But my thing is, if I'm in the building and this is my team, this is my family, this is what I'm with, and we have access to these things, like, just give me a certain amount of looks on these different legs so I could be like, okay, you can help push my shit to the front a little bit. But again, it's just we talk and we're just throwing ideas back and forth. It's not disrespect.

It's not hate. Like, we don't hate anybody. We don't. I mean, shady signs a lot of self-sufficient artists, especially. especially with Griselda like that. So they are, I think, in a lot of sense, a bank. Like, I took a bank loan out to buy my crib. When people come to my house, I'm just like,

yo, you see what me in the bank did? Yeah. Like, I mean, I put the crib together, but the bank helped. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And yes, I just get to learn from M also at the same time. It's far as then they are bank too because that's my label. But I don't want to make it sound they just that because. I think a lot of majors some degrees are, though.

You said, huh? I think a lot of majors now are just that. Yeah, that's all it is. I mean, you know what I understand. Just understand the game you playing. That's what we're talking about. Yeah, but banks, you know, if you have a certain amount in the bank with them, you know, you walk in, they take you to a pride room or off you champagne. Now, when the next thing who comes in, it's like, I got that count here too.

Like, give me a bottle of water or something. Like, don't just be like, yo, what you want. Like, yeah. And it is, and it, I remember being at Interscope wit, feeling like I had no leverage there because I didn't have LVRN who got already got summer and black who was more established than me. Right. To, like, give me more leverage or just like Paul being able to get on the phone anytime. So yeah, it's a real thing. You need that leverage and I can't never say, I don't ask for a lot of stuff either.

So maybe I should get better at that and I can give you all real, like, honest opinion on it. Because whatever I ask for, I get, I don't ask for a lot. So, you know what I'm saying? How did the shady deal even come about? I don't even know the history of it. Shit, I don't, it was God. It was no formula. I was back broke, ran through my events, didn't understand what paying taxes was.

2015. As a Mozart. Yeah, 2015. I had no financial literacy, which is something, obviously. so we got to fix. So yeah, they dangled, pause, dangle sound crazy. So they dangled $100,000 in my face. That even sounds crazy in my face. So they did that. And of course, thinking I'm going to change my life, thinking the world going to get easier. I'm fin a sign. I signed. I'm not saying it was a bad decision, but I also didn't know what I was signing at the time. But I was able to move out,

finally get a crib on my own. My baby could finally be in a good neighborhood. That lasts about a year because I was buying postmates every day, buying weed every day. shit adds up back in the hood and which was always my fear because like you're gonna look like the one that made it and it came back so back broke I had $20,000 left and I had to pay $40,000 in taxes so I was sick, ended up on a payment plan

so back just recording Interscope not really answering my emails no more because I don't really like my manager I didn't really have no leverage we kind of hit our selling with that but I did have a good relationship with my A&R who signed me initially so he didn't like give up on me but he was just waiting for me to figure it out

And I had to stay at home with my homies, keep recording. And I think the universe or God or whatever you believe in just saw that. And just at the same time, M&M calls out or Paul Rosenberg call out of nowhere and say like, oh, I don't know how we found you somehow. But I showed Eminem and he like you flew me out the next day. And at the same time, LVRN popped up in my life because I don't know how Tim, my A&R disconnected to dots. so yeah that's why I tell people there's no formula

you just really got to believe and like really keep going until the payoff and that's as cliche as it sounds as facts um dangle money flyouts it's crazy

yeah it's like IGViction exactly I'm a thought and then I had LVR in everything's for the house you know what I'm saying bought me a little Soho yeah took you on a nice day

tricked on the boy one time that's how you got him I was mad we went on we weren't able to come to the the album yeah I wasn't allowed We were banned. Yeah, I'm not allowed to.

We were banned from the Soul House. No, I'm just fine. But it looked like a great night. No, it was amazing. Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah. I'm glad I was able to, like, hear my music in that type of environment instead of, like, in a dark room and actually see people, like, reactions to it and, like,

still deliver my message, but people having fun. And that's, I think is a real, like, a growing, growing thing for me because, like, I never seen that. I believe you're one of those artists that... people are going to go back to your projects. Probably you're going to, it's going to take off. You're going to become this superstar one of these years soon, I believe. And people are going to be like, damn, like, but his, this project was fired at one. And that's why, to me, this project was important for you to get out because I do believe that this is going to be the one that people go back to and be like, yo, nah, he's been putting out some dope shit.

Yeah, and that's why I'm not really living in the space of, like, waiting for recognition from people and more so, like, like enjoying the process and giving myself credit because if I keep waiting for the world to catch up, I drive myself crazy. Oh yeah. It might happen after this might shoot me or something and then the world let me. Like, who knows? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no.

Please. God know what I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to get. I'm not going to get touched. But then it's like, nigga, you ain't a touchable. Highest high, low is low in making the album. Highest high was when it came out. That was probably the high for me.

lowest low was just feeling like I didn't know when this project was going to come out or what the direction of it was

so maybe like two years ago super low point for me I didn't really had no motivation it was tough I was doing random features

get some bread I still be doing that sometimes but and then so justice make sure they don't clear it yeah I just be like

man my manager's tripping man I'm just like but I need the front of it You're in therapy. Where do you find fulfillment outside of music and family? Coaching my kid basketball team.

That's family. I love the videos you put up with your kid when you record him and he hates it. He's at that age where he's like embarrassed and everything his dad. And I love it. I'm going to keep doing it. But it do hurt my feeling sometimes. I went to his game, his game like six months ago and I was late. And when his teammates was like, oh, Darry said he was happy.

Darius said he was happy he wasn't here. I was, ain't that a bitch? And I was like, I'm going to wait until the end of the game. Half time came. And the time came, I'm like, come here. And then I had to check myself, like, I do be too, like, hype, OD, living vicariously through him. Like, you know what I'm saying?

So I need to be a dad at the games. And probably should be. But that has been a dad. You're proud. Yeah, but I'd be tripping, though. Like, and sometimes he's like, you don't understand the game what's going on in the court. You just, you're just like, boy, I'll be like, man, I've been playing basketball longer than you.

He's like, you're not playing right now. You're at that age. You sound like that day. I've been doing this since. I've been doing this. I would have went to the league, but I pulled my hamstring. So he's beyond that. And you know what I'm saying?

He might understand the game better than me now just because he actually on the court. You know what I'm saying? That's dope though that you had that type of relationship with your son, man. I'm trying to scale back. Do you want him to pursue music at all? Or do you like that? I don't because I think he'll be trash because I think my first initial reaction to everybody is that you're going to be trash. That's not a good thing.

But he's going to have to show me nice. And so that's a tough role to him. He's more athletic than created. He don't even know how to dance. so he don't got no rhythm and I feel like it like plays a part into being able to rap for some reason. After your rhythm for sure. Rhythm and rap yeah, I believe my kid got no rhythm.

Can you get that from his mom? Got to. He didn't get it from you. You have rhythm. Yeah, because she's stiff now. But she used to throw it. She used to be throwing that wagon. I ain't gonna lie.

That's how he showed up. Yeah, exactly. Raw dog assassin. I just want us to progress his people, man. He has no rhythm so he can't rap. But he likes ball. How tall is your baby mother? My baby mama is shorter than me, but my kid already my height at 12.

Okay. Yeah. He got, her dad and all them is huge. And my brother's six foot something. But me and my mama are just short. But me and my brother got different daddy, too. So my mama, my mama, like, 411. This thing is the most interesting rapper I've ever sat down to talk to.

By far. I had an address joke of doubling back, but I just, you know. Oh, Vlad would have a blast No, he got me blocked, too. Shout out to Vlad. Why did he block? Maybe he unblocked me. I used to be on his bumper, yeah.

For real? Yeah, I used to make random tweets like, y'all niggas really go to Vlad, ha, and stuff like that. He hates Rory. Yeah. Oh, he hates Rory. Rory has a lot of white-on-white.

He's single-handedly bringing white-on-white crimes. Not, but also, I'm beefing black as a kind of white-on-white crime. Because after, not really white-on-white crime, but after Mac Miller died, the day after he was like, who's better? Mac Miller M&M and that shit piss me off. So I was like, bitch it's too soon.

His timing is a little. Yeah, and he DM me was like, I was the first person never support you, but you're choosing this route blocked or some dumb-ass line. He's very arrogant in how he goes. Oh, beat your ass. You're choosing this route?

Are you my dad? Who are you talking to? Whatever he said. I felt when he did that fucking video when someone asked if he would have Rory on it, I would never have, I never said I wanted to go on. He's hilarious.

Why are you doing it, of saying that you would never have me on and I'm saying I don't want to go on. But I do like how he opened his platform to like up and coming journalists now and letting other people do the interviews. Here's my shit with Vlad. When you strip away the bullshit,

he's a good journalist, huh? He can conduct a good interview. He can. He's good at that. He just has too much fuck shit attached to him. Yeah. But I'm sure that affected your career

drastically since you chose that route. Yeah, man. I got no Vlad in my life. I was beefing with the nigger who'd be judging albums. Anthony Fentino What's the name? Fontano Needle?

I know you talk about Yeah he had me hot So he looks like me if I let myself go And pitchfork just gave me 7.3 I've seen it last night They got me fucked up But shout out of pitchfork For even like you know

7.3 out of 10? Yeah How do you feel about reviews from? No, I don't really care But they in my brain They always say they always say pitchfork is the one you're supposed to care about So it's like

I guess my subconscious Like kind of care Why is that? Why should we care about the pitchfork? We shouldn't I'm not justifying anything I'm just telling you I'm a human

a flawed human who cares about things like that. You just said you didn't care. Exactly. That's the flaws. I would care. I understand. No. What'd they say in the review?

Well, I don't have my glasses on, so I couldn't read everything on the way. That's hilarious. I'm using that. Not for real. They said about your last episode, I ain't had my glasses on, so I couldn't really even tell you what they was in them comments saying. And it was too long. But I just seen, my boy told me they said something about they didn't like one of the transitions or the sequence. or something like that.

That sounds like a pitchfork thing. Like when you start getting comments like that, it's like, y'all just trying to find some. But, you know. Does the written review matter anymore?

Nah, it don't matter. It just matter to industry people in our fake little world we create. That's true. But I don't think nobody, my homies ain't looking at no pitchfork. You know what I'm saying?

No, niggas. I don't know looking at pitchforks. Yeah, that's not. That's not really alcohol like that. We don't really pay attention to what pitchfork is rating.

And none of the bitches or women, I need stuff saying bitches so much. None of the women I deal would never been like, your pitchfork review was crazy, you know what I'm saying? And didn't let me hit, so. Yeah,

they only gave you 7.3. If you would have got a 7.8, I would have let you get this push. I would have a 7.4. You know what? I was going to give you some pussy if you got a 7.5. You got a 7. I can't really fuck with you.

What are you listening to? The Ken Jams album, myself, for the first time, because I never listened to myself or I never let nobody play it around me. So I'm finally listening to my project. I've been listening to that a lot.

It's another album I download. did. No, it's not. Just Ken Jams and R&B stuff. So what R&B singer am I listening to then, Bogie? Frank Ocean. Blind still gets heavy play for me.

Classic. Yep, it's about it. So you don't listen to no like current rap. Let me see. I mean not a lot. Ramona Park broke my heart. It was a good album.

I don't really listen to rap, but that was a good album. Well, you've had some problems in Long Beach, so I can understand. Yeah, Kendrick. You said I got problems in Long Beach. Oh, yeah, I did get shot and I got shot in Long Beach. That's crazy.

You should stay out of Long Beach. I got a Long Beach in New York. It's really safe. Yeah, man. Hold on. No. Sleasy. You know what I do?

What they're going to do to me? And then a little baby helped on a remix? It's a trap song. Yeah, I know that. No, I know that. This is my favorite question to ask artists because I love to watch them lie about what they're listening to. Artists don't listen to shit. I don't.

It's shit crazy. Because artists are y'all and y'all and y'all own world. Like, y'all create your own world and y'all just stay in it. that y'all create from that world. And then y'all come out when it's time to come out. You're like, oh, shit, like, I never heard this. I never seen that. But I try to stay, I try to stay, like, up to date.

I just don't really go back a lot because a lot of people don't got replay value for me. It's just too much music. Mary J. Blage, you are everything. That's my shit right now. I'm playing that every day. And Wyclef John and Mary J. 9-1-1. That's really my shit right now.

And, yeah, those two songs. Stevie Wonder. Uh, eh, da, da, da, all I do Stinger Yeah like Life after death He still hasn't

Life after death Biggie? Yeah Like that's a new one That's great Shout out to Biggie You don't listen to that? Huh?

I don't like this This is old with Shut out to Big Nah I'm not a Really a cultured hip hop fan Like That's interesting

I don't know I've never Then it's gonna be crazy I've never listened to Outcast album through I've never listened to Life After Death I'm not even sure I listen

to a Tupac album through. I just listen to Lauren Hill. You never listened to a two-pike out all the way through. Nah. I can't think, I don't think I have. And I hate this because it's such a cliche question, but I'm only asking because you just said that. What'd you listen to growing up? Church music. Okay. And then Lil Wayne, LeWan took over my life and that was all I listened to. I get it. And then Jay-Z, I got my Jay-Z back. Jay-Z and Wayne is like, was my two people I only listened to as rappers. And so I hate it when people used to say Biggie was buried in Jay. He used to piss me off. So, Anybody that go against, you said what? That's a good manager right there.

We're talking about my life where I was raised on. I listen to him as like a rapper. He's one of the greatest rappers ever. I'm telling you in the hood what I was listening to. Conway got in trouble for saying the same thing you're saying, but go ahead. Yeah, niggas, him and him, he the greatest. I listen to all. You're not doing this to me.

But fucking, anybody who beefed with Jay-Z, I used to just and I listened to. Like, I never would listen to Nyes because he was beefed with Jay-Z. Interesting because you're a West Coast guy. And then I just like singing, singing songs. Oh, I love Jaru. Really? That was my nigga. Fucking, he was amazing.

And 50 Cent was amazing. That wave was amazing. And yeah, M, of course. That's so I never would have thought you were Jaru. Nah, I hated him losing like that. Damn, I just thought about that. That's funny because he got destroyed by the big dog. Ha ha!

My nigga M destroyed you. That's funny. But fucking, um, that's hilarious. That's life in full circle. But yeah Didn't have to destroy him Well he helped He didn't have to jump

That's what made it so fucked up Because M didn't even have to jump into that And he still came in there Yes he did He had to protect his investment 50 was destroyed 50 could have destroyed him by himself I'm the biggest rapper

Let me double down and make it worse I think with Jai fucked up in that He took too long to respond I think in that whole Jive 50 thing Jaya took a little too long to respond And it's crazy because 50 went on to like make the same music That he was a

That was the funniest part about the entire thing. He was on record singing and shit. He goes in a massacre. That's an R&B out. Fuck. And that's not fair. John Irv got fucked one not job, but Irv got arrested.

They froze their assets. It was just timing. Yeah, it was. Jai was unaware. We got to revisit that whole timeline of events that happened around that time. And it was a lot, man. It was Jai was up against a lot. It wasn't just rap.

It was a lot of shitty Fast forward. They got, Shady got the boy and, uh, murdering got, shout out to murdering,

man. That's fucked up. I'm just playing. Erf Gotti said, uh, Irv Gotti is the fucking legend. That's a fact. No,

he is. And he was pissed off about the Drake album. No, he said, he doesn't, that's not hip hop. He don't understand. But we were trying to,

we were talking about earlier, uh, on another episode. I was saying that, uh, it wasn't intended to be a hip-hop album. No, sucks.

And what I appreciate y'all saying, what I'm starting to understand is it really matter your environment when you first hear music. And like, Oh, absolutely. Y'all saying how people's in bed, like, waiting. Yeah, I get, so I get that frustration. But, you know what I'm saying? Go outside a little bit.

Because even the song on my album, Stuck, I played it for Reasoning in studio. I played all these songs for niggas in studio. And, you know, they didn't give me no energy. I noticed it. Then when Stuck come out, reason, like, why you didn't play me this song? This shit amazing, nigga. I'm like, boy, I let you hear this. The lion ass.

Yeah, it definitely is where you at. It's the type of environment you around. also your mood. What you're dealing with in real life when you hear certain music? Because I've gone back and listening to albums and I'm like, damn, this should sound way better now that I'm in a better

mental space. Just like, you know what I mean? So it's a lot. Because now that I drop my album and I'm not like really stressed. Your pussy, it's calling my name. You know, that song. Slap. That shit is hard. No, that's the social clip right there. Absolutely.

Absolutely. That song Sting. Did you get pussy on an album release night? No, because I was in New York, man. What was I doing? I saw it. I followed a lot of hoes that was at 4040 that night. Yeah.

I was there. I was piecing the whole night together. Oh, matter of fact, the girl who threw helped throw the event. I slid on her. And then I was telling her to come to the hotel, and then I fell asleep. I remember. And then I woke up. Oh, that's a great night.

When you fall asleep on him? Bleu it. Great night. Those were the greatest night. I appreciated your honesty on No Jumper. Which part? Well, I'm always honest. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, but it was. like a different level of honesty. Yeah. Like there's, there's honest and then there's some shit you probably just shouldn't say. Nah, and I knew because that's such like,

the only podcast, my homie from the hood watch, it's shit like no jumper because it's like they put all the gang members on there to give a platform to up and coming artists. So I knew I had to be responsible

of what I said and like make sure I didn't let like it turned into a clickbait moment because I know it can even though I said to Selena Pows you're like an idiot and it turned into a clickback.

Okay. Yeah. shout out to Selena Pau, free her. Free Selena Pau, man. She locked up. She locked up. She had two years. For what?

I wouldn't know. She didn't pay her taxes on that money. I got to look, though. It was something, though, but it was right after the interviews. And I was like, fuck, huh? You would put some. Oh, there we go. What was she on probation for?

Doing me scanless. I caught the boys on her. I'm just playing my dude. I don't call the police. Never. You can put someone on her books? I didn't know. I actually, I ain't, I ain't a lie.

If Selena, out. I put some on her books because I'm a caring person and I really felt bad for her when we had that talk so I respect that. She drove a getaway car. Oh man. Come on, CC. Who better than that, Queen?

She really out. She in the street. I mean, I say Queen. Somebody said or did Black girls tell me she don't like when I call other people Queen. That's not Black. Well, two women tweeted me one time when I called a Black woman a Queen and they said don't uh what was the word she said uh basically like i was uh i was like being condescending type of thing no but i was like not objectifying but i was doing something to it was like i bro it's everything is offensive no they don't like that word no more either yeah everything but i know

how i be using it sometimes when they be like people be talking girls be talking too much and i'm like you got a queen so i get what they were and that and that's it's of course it's like i you be trying to just be funny but i really wasn't and they told me that oh yeah you're trying to of like something something i was like you always want to do it on twitter though you are a great twitter personality though i don't hit me i love me you got like a rapper twitter i mean but i yo like i think if people saw me like what i was doing while i was tweeting they were like no we can't take this take a serious funny like i'll be shit yeah like i'd be in the crib i can't find my other slipper like i'm just walking around on my phone like i don't be trying to bother them and they got so many opinions of

your personality that should be so funny people don't really know me man that's fire though And they're mad that they don't know me. And I only give them doses. Like, my people's know me, but the Twitter world, they don't really know me. And they think they know Rory. We think Rory more like open to the world than you? And they have no idea how socially awkward Rory. He most socially awkward.

He don't want to. He have no idea. I'm like, what? Wait till you see this guy in person. He's not going to speak to you. No. He's not going to say anything. Y'all love Rory?

Wait till he in the room with you. He won't say anything. Nothing at all. So yeah, Bug, more black super. heroes. Yes, sir. Congratulations, man. We appreciate you coming through kicking it with us while we out here in L.A. Thank y'all for having me. I'm going to try to go be in this writing. I'm not going to this writing camp. You got to go to Rapp. Artists, get out your comfort zone. Do stuff you don't want to do, man. Except for you. Not living in your rhymes. Learn for me, please. Tor, any live show's

coming up? Wow, I just announced it today. Announce it. Thank you, Roy. Did you? I just, I knew. I told you. I literally told you. I literally woke up shower and came right here. I didn't see anything. I just announced it today. Tickets going to sell tomorrow. I don't know when it's going to. When it's going on?

Is this out right now? This is live? What is it? No, this is Tuesday. Okay. We took a whole break. You thought they were just watching a blank screen. I'll be just all over the place.

A man. Shout out to Tuesday when it's come out. Shout out to my tour too. Y'all go get some tickets and all that. Who are you on tour with? I'm bringing Grip. Shout out to Grip. He from Atlanta.

He hard. Big Shady. gang. Nobody say nothing crazy. No, no, no, no. All love. I'm not saying a word about somebody named Grip. Yeah, he got it on him. I'm chilling. That's my dog. Shout out to Westside Boogie. Shout out to LVR end. Shout out to Shady. Super proud of you, bro. Happy you got your project out. Thank you, man. I appreciate shout out to y'all and y'all growth. Y'all know y'all leading the way.

Oh, man. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. We all here just trying to push the coach a little bit. I hate when people say that, boy, dear. We're doing that. Buccia, man. Bullshit, you just said. Boogie is crazy, bro. I'm just, I'm just going to get him out of you. leaving the way. For who? No, I do that a lot. Nah,

you caught one of my default answers. Not being a cut. No, the other day, I was leaving a restaurant and it was like this homeless man, I gave him some money

and I was like, all right, man, keep killing it. And I was like, all right. You know what, no, listen,

we go that boogie, I promise you. Are you going to go to go to Black's birthday party if you don't go to there? I'm definitely there. That's all time. No, I promise

I'm going there. Justice, black out, when? I don't know. All right. Fuck, yeah. We were talking about it all last episode.

We were trying to figure it out. Check out a black new record. Umi says. That's how I know you didn't listen to any music growing up. I did. I know it's a remake. No, I just heard the original song that day when my assistant was like,

you don't know this is a remake? And I was like, what the fuck? This shit hard. Anybody that didn't hear a Tupac album definitely doesn't know that Umi says the remake. Like, I'm not even mad at Bougy no more. Like he knows Jaro and that's it.

He just diss his mother on his album. That's hard. He didn't listen to when he says. That's hard. Sometimes you got to diss moms. Therapy told me that I don't have... Your chicken wasn't that good. I thought I had daddy issues my whole life.

Just up until recently I found out, I have mommy issue. Mommy issues. That's crazy when you find that out. Yeah. Well, sometimes Umi does not shine a light on your world. No, they shine a light for you to get your ass up and go to school. Who is Umi, though? Mother.

Umi means like grandma. In Arabic. Oh. Yeah. That's tight. Yo, listen, man, boy, we thank you. We appreciate you coming out, kicking it with us, man. Congrats on the album.

Thank you, man. More black superheroes in your DSPs and your phones now. Yes. Boogie on tour with Grip. Check out the tour dates, follow Boog. Very interesting. If you're not following Boog, you should be following because he's hilarious. Good Instagram.

Love his personality. Shout to LV.R. Shout to Shady. Gang, gang. All love, Bug. We'll see you soon. Call Rosenberg. See y'all soon.

You're coming into the party tonight, right? Yeah. It's lit. Yeah, we definitely going to be lit. Yeah, it's going to be lit. We're going to get drunk. We're going to treat it like D. again. Boats and

holes. That was the most relationship VR trip of all time. It was no hose. It was girlfriend. I know. It was a man girl.

I paid for my cell phone bill. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I swear I'm trying to wrap this up for y'all. Listen, man, thank y'all for listening. Thank you all for coming on this

audio journey with us. Shout out the book. Once again, proud of you, bro. Appreciate you having me, man. Peace and love. We'll talk to you on the next one. Yes, Lord.

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