New Rory & MAL - Episode 80 | “How Many Roaches?”

Episode Date: July 1, 2022

This week the guys are finally back home and they talked about the new Giveon, relationships & therapy, Diddy's 15 roaches story, lying about the struggle, Bad Boyz's rough past, being at the BET Media Hub, Bobby vs Michael, Chris Brown's Legacy, Boat parties, and much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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football, soccer is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think I'm looking at a big-ass roach, and then that shit go, and its wings start going. You might have saw it's like a scatia or something. So what? I thought that's what the cheese and the tortillas.

Wait, what are the things? Because my dad... I don't hear it. I didn't know. I ignored him as I try to do when he says things like that. He thought that was what? Cheese and the tortillas. Like, isn't that the same thing?

Bam. And it's so mad that blockhead shut down. I'm so mad. Curms like Humpty Dumpty does make you want to push. Oh, to tell me. Show me I'm the one. Yeah. Hey, man.

What's up? I'm home. Yeah. Took a whole month. Almost didn't make it in today. Got stuck in Atlanta for a few hours because the pilots decided that they've had enough of this Milwaukee. Yeah, I wasn't sure if I said that on Patreon or. Did we say it on the episode?

What? When I snitched on the Delta pilots, when I got the little intel. Was I on someone else's podcast? I feel like I said that publicly somewhere. Probably. Maybe it was in a session. Probably. All I know is they're lying to you.

They're not understaffed. These pilots are on strike right now and they're purposely going over their hours so your flight gets canceled. So good fucking luck traveling. Yeah. It's a shit show out there in Atlanta. Beautiful city. Love Atlanta. I had a good time down there.

Went down there. hung out with the guys. Shout, shot a figure out. I bet you did hang out with the guys in Atlanta. Uh-huh. See, we could get canceled. If I really wanted to run with this joke, we would get canceled, but I'm not going to do that.

No, thank you. It's, uh, is it the first? It's the first, right? Yeah. Oh, the Pride month is over. Tomorrow is the first. Oh, so it's Pride Month. I can still accept the flower from a guy.

It's Pride Month. That's the only month you could accept Flowers? Yeah. From a man, happy Pride Month, worry. Thank you. I went to a pride event, and I had a beautiful time. Did you? I did see you was getting a little active over at the,

The prime one. Yeah, man, my gay side came out. Damaris had the sickest Instagram posts I've seen in a long time. I'm laughing. She said her gay side. That's your side. Yeah, it's not a side. That's just who you are.

Can I just say that I really, really, really missed you guys? Did you? Oh, come on. Tell me more. I really did. I really did. I was losing it. I was losing my mind without y'all here.

Especially Eddn. I didn't realize how much I rely on Eddn to, like, do my job for me and, like, listen to my stories and listen to my bullshit. And then for y'all to talk. me like I was tripping and stuff like that like I really missed you guys I missed you guys I missed you all that edin was the positive beam of light in uh in Mexico he was the translator he was the brightest one he was the translator he was the most spanish one yeah um but no he was a positive beam of light when all the dogs started barking y'all room for some reason was soundproof mine caught every last 75 dogs wild dogs that was in Mexico yeah

and would not stop barking can you hear that edin this episode is being uh noised by by monogram. All right. So this has been all over the place. We were kicked out of our studio, Basley shit all over the floor, even though she didn't. So we're now in my house.

Basley got us kicked out. And we'll probably be here for the remainder of the month. Actually, we might be me here for the remainder of the year. I'm with that. Are you? To never leave my...

Are you fucking crazy? He's definitely with that because I would be with that. To never leave home? To never leave my house? To record right here. I would love that. I would...

Yeah. If it was my house, I would love it too. And bleep this edin, but leave it in, but just put a bleep. You know what I'm saying? I can't wait until we reveal that news. In case you didn't know that. That news. Please, just, yeah, mad edits already.

Cut all of that out. Anyways, we're going to lose Damaris to her wanting to be a thought for July 4th weekend. She has a train to catch, but I do want to talk about this Givion album with her before. So this is going to be all over the place. All right. So y'all talk about the Givion album. I'm going to roll up and then I'm going to join y'all at the end of the Givion conversation.

Did you not listen to? Of course I did. Are you kidding me? I sound like Givion in the shower. Your voice not that deep. So does Chris Brown on the intro of his album. All right now. You got to go back to L.A.

Be careful what you say about Chris. Yo, checking it with Chris Brown is sick. Any fruit town? No, I'm not dissing Chris Brown. I think I'm dissing Givion because he became Givion very fucking easily on that intro. That made me look, all right. And y'all know I'm a huge Givion fan. Between the BT Award live performance

and then Chris Brown on that intro, I used to think Givion had like the most unique voice ever. I'm familiar with Pro Tools. I didn't know you could just throw on the Givion filter. Do you all remember, do you all remember the guy that should sing Chocolate Rain on YouTube? Of course, yeah, yeah. That's Givion.

What? That's not Givion. Taste Sunday? Tase Sunday. Oh, Tase Sunday, yes. That's Givion. That is not Givion. Giveon is the chocolate.

The tones are not even remotely closed. I'm aware of the, yeah, I know. That's chocolate ring. Givion is a chocolate ring. With a little more, you know, a little more PR work. Yeah. Just a bit. Yeah, they polished him a little bit, but he's Taze Sunday, right?

I think they were singing about different heartbreaks. They were. They absolutely, they definitely were. Giveon said, maybe that joke went over y'all head. I don't know. Givion said, I'm done because I always get hurt, won't be here for long. Yo. She's falling for that.

Look what she's falling for. You still falling for when a dude say that type shit? Give me on that whole fucking album, lying his ass off. Listen, listen, okay? He said, won't be here for long. Baby, you can hate me if you want, but now I got to put myself first. We can kiss. We can touch and do it often.

But if you're here looking for love, that's when you lost me. All right. I'm trying to figure out how much. I've been saying that for years and they've been calling me a piece of shit. Of course. I've been saying that for years. Anytime you're a piece of shit and you have to put yourself first. Yeah, like I'm a piece of shit because I don't see myself falling in love.

That's not what I'm here for. Oh, yourself is self-centered. Givion says he's like, oh my God, he's so special. What? He ain't a piece of shit. I like pieces of shit, though. Givion is a piece of shit. He's a piece of shit.

Well, you like Maul and I, so yeah. Yeah, I love pieces of shit. And I think Edens a piece of shit too. Ed is way better at hiding it. He's shiny. He's like shiny. He's like shiny. Yeah, like they ate their fiber.

He's like a nice. piece of shit. Y'all are like watery shit. He's a, I'm not water. Don't disrespect. He's a Hawaiian Brunel Marz.

Huh? Oh. So yes, give me on. Give me on. Bruno Mars is shiny. I don't know what to tell you. He's very shiny.

Good hair. Good team. He's very lotion. That's that. See, you can't just put that on Bruno. He just does coke. We know he looks like the connect.

He looks like Lulu from Payton Full. We know. But I don't think it's a debate. I think we all know. I think he may have told us. Yeah. He may have told us. There's a couple.

albums. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so y'all talking about the give you on album. Because the marriage has to leave and I'm going to roll up and then I'm going to join Rory for the, Give Yon Breakdown. All right. I don't know where I want to approach this, Giveon Breakdown. As a 32-year-old man.

Because a lot of shit, I still live by the man code. I still live by the man code. And the game, we always fuck it up. But the game is to be sold, not to be told, whatever the fuck, Slim Thug told us. Slim Thug told us. Shout out, man. Met him at the BETT Awards. Great guy.

I don't know how to approach this. How old is, how old is Givion and where is Givion from? I need that information real quick. Believe Givion is from California. Okay. Yeah. Oh, wait. He's getting this off at 27?

Shit, he at least 30. Yeah. Industry age. Givion might be my age. That's a movie callback. He at least 30. Right, yeah, sure. Some L.A., yes.

Oh, so he's from San Diego. San Bernardino. Stop. Rancho Cucamonga. Yeah. He didn't go to West Chessau, for sure. This is going to sound like Givion 8. All right.

Givion went about this the best way he should have. I just don't know how long we can get these bars off anymore. It's becoming too redundant. He got caught by Justine. Number one, you can't get this album off with the Brooklyn chick. that's why I asked where he was from because if I try to get these bars off to any chick from East Flatbush

I'm getting smacked in my face I'm getting smacked in the fucking longest I know and I got smacked on Lyndon how long can we get off I had this conversation with my therapist recently at what point are we going to stop with this therapy bullshit

which is a funny thing to say to your therapist and I was when I was listening to the Givion album that's all I kept thinking not a personal shot of Givion. He's probably still working through his shit. He got caught cheating. He did every right move. Bring in God, bring in your mother, your grandmother to say they're proud of you

and say you are never loved as a child so you can't love her. And now it's time to let me go because I'm a piece of shit to try to grab some sympathy from the girl to make her think, oh God, he's such a tortured soul. Maybe I should get him back. Fire, that's the type of R&B I want. Givion, I fucking love your album. It's incredible. But I had to talk to my therapist and say,

when are we going to cut this therapy bullshit? At what point is not being from a loving household an excuse anymore? At what fucking point is this therapy shit that we keep talking, not an excuse. I mean... It's not an excuse, but it's the truth. Because my shitty behavior is still affecting people. It doesn't matter where it's rooted. It's still affecting people.

people. So if I come in and be like, hey, okay, I was never loved, my household never taught me how to love, I was abused, all things that could be a fact. You think the victims of that in relationships with me are like, oh, it's okay now. And the whole Givion album, because I've seen now with music take the same approach that the trendy mental health shit is that we talk about all this time. And I know it's going to start sounding like it's shitting on Givion and it's not because I really like that album. And he did. everything he was supposed to do. Even had his mom come on the intro and say, baby, you've made mistakes.

I say, oh, Givion is ill. What can Justine say now? No, Givion killed that, though. No, the album is incredible. Givion has not missed, and we're going to have to have like a real conversation about him in the R&B spectrum for real. Like, he is different. But it did spark my mind.

At what point do we have to cut the bullshit on a lot of this. therapy stuff. It's becoming a crutch. As someone that is very pro therapy and very pro-mental health. A lot of us are using that shit as a fucking excuse. Yeah, y'all are. Even if it's the truth. Let's say it's the truth. All right, cool.

I'm aware now that I'm a piece of shit. So I'm just going to keep being a piece of shit because my mother never loved me. You're talking from 32. Give me on just 21. He's 27. He just turned 27. We got to cut this out. I ain't going to let you keep getting off that. He's 27. We're not going to keep doing.

that. That nigga 41 years old, man. Give me on my age. She's a year older than me, matter of fact. For sure. I know when a nigga yelled at me. I can see it. And let's not make it gender specific. There's plenty of women that I know have had awful upbringings, awful relationships in their early 20s and are not bad people, but when it comes to being a partner are pieces of shit.

That's a fool. And I can fully understand where it comes from, where it's rooted from. But, at what point where do we draw the line that that behavior can't really continue? I mean, it's like this. It's not an excuse because, yes, you've been through things. You weren't loved. You've been through trauma in the household growing up. Yes, we understand that.

But it's your duty as an adult to identify those things that affect your adulthood and correct it and, you know, and move forward. So I respect Givion for. If that is what happened, which I'm assuming I don't think his mom and grandma would lie on his album for him. Well, no, they didn't say he was abused. They actually said he was a really good person and he is not his mistakes. Okay. So they understand that he has, they understand that.

They are very proud. Yeah. Justine can't get mad when grandma is like, man. No, no, you can't. You are amazing. Yes, I am. Yes, I can. I get mad at you and your mother.

Because your mother around there like, you know, you're not a perfect, this person, this and that. Was his dad in his life? You should have made sure his dad was in his fucking life. so I ain't have to deal with all this bullshit. Well, we don't know his mother's trauma that then added in with his father. Well, Patrice, you should have dealt what the fuck you needed to do

so I don't got to deal with your raggedy ass. Why is Givion's mother's name Patrice and I actually believe that it probably is? That's not. Because she named him Givion and you can sing like that. Her name is probably Patrice. Her name is not Patrice. That is the name of one of Damaris's ex's moms

who she is still, who she is still healing from that relationship. I'm not healing from my mother. And ready to put hands on Patrice because her son is shit. I'm not healing from mother's. fucking thing. But, yeah, no, but Givion, you know, he's one of those, he's one of those artists.

I think that, you know, is now evolving into, he's trying to reach that next level of his career. We know he's talented. We know he can sing. He obviously put out great albums. I think now he's about to give us more personal. This album was personal as, as fucking that regard. So I think he's entering that phase. But as far as you saying, how long are we going to be able to use that as an excuse?

I mean, some excuses don't expire. And I think that the excuse of me growing up in trauma doesn't expire. I think Roy's speaking from a very privileged place because he's been healing for so long. No, no, no, no, no, no. So I think you're like, well, I'm like 45% healed now. So y'all need to like catch up mustard. No, no, no. I'm zero percent healed.

Buster is funny. She said, I'm zero percent. They didn't catch up. I got to go, but explain yourself. Get out. Give you on? No, get on your flight. Damaris is leaving us.

Go see, go see Patrice and her son. Demaris has to leave now. Let me. Demaris has to leave now. Spent this fucking wine up. Tariis is leaving us. I'm going with, I'm going to help my mother. Yes, no.

No, listen. Prayers and and help. You have to take it there. I'm sorry. Now I feel like shit. You know, send her all love and get well soon. Mama love. I will.

No problem. I love you guys. I'll be back next episode. All right, peace. To Demaris's point, no, I'm not speaking from a place. Did we tell them why we're recording so late? Did we tell them that already? Well, we'll get to, because I want to get into your entire Atlanta experience. We wanted to get right to the Givion shit because Damaris wanted to talk about. Mall is a woman now.

He's got the hips. No surgery needed. Why he said wow like that? I don't know. I have no idea. But to close this conversation that I think, could be four hours if we wanted it to be. They could.

I'm not speaking from that place. I'm speaking from someone that has been in therapy for so long, not in a heel place from a different perspective place of, we keep doing these deep dives into every last bit of my psyche and, let's say, Givion's psyche after being caught cheating. And Damaris fell down the steps now. DeMaris broke her leg now. It's okay.

I was talking with my therapy. I'm like, wait, we're doing all this complex thinking. All we talk about is me fucking other bitches. So like sometimes when you strip it down, yes, of course there's a reason for everything. There's a root for everything. Why it happens, why your behavior is that way, whether it's insecurity, whether it's a void that needs to be filled, whether it's validation you need that you never got as a kid. I could break down every last therapy thing you could think of. Right.

But sometimes you have to not look at this shit from a 222 perspective. and look at it from a 1942 perspective when people had to fucking survive. That's true. At the end of the day, we talk about fucking bitches. Yeah. I mean, we still have to speak.

Granted, it's a rooted thing, but sometimes we put too much sauce on, he probably just wanted to fuck that bitch. I'm not about giving you on, but just in general. Yeah. Like it's not that serious. And I think we are,

as someone again that is fully with therapy, all that shit. Just sometimes we got to cut the bullshit. Yeah, I mean, we know that people use that therapy. That's like the breaking case of emergency. But when you go to mental health and childhood trauma and not growing up in a house of love, not knowing how to love. It's a lot of things that.

I have all that. Yeah. Sometimes I wanted to fuck a picture. I know, absolutely. It's a lot of things. I promise you, sometimes it had nothing to do with my child. Absolutely. Most times it had nothing to do with my childhood.

Like, there's things that you just learn, even if it wasn't in your house. Like growing up, you just learn certain things and you pick up certain things from, you know, being outside and being in different households, friends' households or whatever. So, I mean, we all know. And then it always comes back to we all are able, unless you have a mental, you know, block. We all know right from wrong. That's just a human. You know when you're doing something that's wrong. You know that.

Like, there's not, like, no man has ever cheated and didn't know he was doing something wrong. That's just stupid. Like, you know that you're cheating. your girlfriend or your wife would not like this, this would hurt her, this is wrong, you shouldn't be doing this, you know that. And sometimes things are, yo, I got really famous, really fast, and a bunch of women now have access to me and love me and will want to fuck me no matter what. Yeah.

Like sometimes, sometimes things aren't as deeply rooted as we make them seem. It's not. And even, and I'll go a step further. Even if you don't have, like say you didn't, you grew up in a single parent house, which most people in my community and in my culture have, unfortunately. Like, you still pick up on things even though you didn't have them as a kid and you didn't see them. Like, you still just picked up on it like, okay, this is what a man is supposed to do.

Even though I didn't have a man present in my household growing up, like most guys, it's like, oh, but you know that the man is supposed to do this because you meet these figures somewhere else in life, whether it's a high school teacher, coach, you know, you just understand You see how uncles. Yeah, you see how men are supposed to move and handle themselves. So, yeah. So you just know right from wrong. But that's not to say that it hasn't affected you.

And now you don't really understand because you didn't have a lot of examples as far as love and relationships growing up that you do things in relationships. Sometimes that's like, all right, that was wrong. You got to learn them to cuff. Like relationships, you learn them to cuff a lot of the times. But you still know cheating is cheating and cheating is wrong. That you can't. You can't attach that to mental health. No, I'm sorry.

And even if you can, let's use Givion, unfortunately, just because his album came out and it was very personal. He probably met Justine and said, y'all really love this woman and want to be with her. But I also just got famous and I sing R&B and I have these bitches in my DMs. And by the way, I would be totally fine with every last woman saying that suck of shit. That's corny. Like, what type of, like, come on, what type of man are you?

Like, you just these group, I would, that's all valid. You know what I think it is too? It's also the truth in regards to 99% of us men at a young age that get that type of access to shit. It does not make it okay. But Givion can get on that album and be like, yo, I love you. But, hey, these, he even said on the album, which I thought was a really honest. this bar that I don't think women want to hear. He said all these chicks was totally comfortable being number two. And I told them how much I loved you. Yeah. They knew how much they was

comfortable being number two. And that's a hard bar for a woman brain to understand. Well, let me not even make it gender specific because there's plenty of women doing the same thing. Yeah. For some people that don't understand that perspective, that sounds like the most insane shit in the world. But to other people, that sounds like, yeah, that's the world. There's plenty of people, let's not even say women, there's plenty of men that are cool being number two. Right. Yeah, they was fine being number two. And I said how much I loved you, which sounds insane when your partner hears that. It does, yeah, very much. But it's, listen, we, we know the relationships that we see these days are very either short-lived, very transactional. For sure. Or,

or it's like an agreement that was reached. Like, listen, I love you. You're the one for me, but I'm hot. Like, I'm lit out here. Which could be deemed as corny and I get it. But it's still realistic. Yeah, like, I ain't going to listen. I'm not going to give nobody else a baby.

You know what I'm saying? These are unspoken agreements. I got to get this off. I'm hot. I'm hot. Let me get this off. Let me, but I promise you, I'm not. going to give a woman a family. I'm not going to give a, you know, a house and home. I'm not going

to do that. You, you get that. But I got to have fun. I got to shake. I got to shake my ass, man. Like, I mean, it come down to that. At 20, listen, at 27, you're a R&B star. Okay, I've seen Givion in concert twice. He didn't shake his ass once. Well, no, not shake my ass like that. I got it. I got it. I got to be around some ladies. Like, you know what I'm saying, it's like, yo, listen, I love you, but, you know, like, damn, I'm 27, I'm lit, I'm, you know, the ladies think I'm handsome, you know, like I got money, I'm in good health, you know what I'm saying? Like, come on, let me get my, let me get my shit off for a couple years, but I promise

you, when it's time to be like, all right, it's family time, you're the one that's going to have, we're going to have a family. I just wonder if after Givion asked his grandmother and mother to be on the album and and do interludes and all that shit when they heard like the final mix grandma definitely said yo turn my vocals up like I'm too like I'm talking about when they heard

the content of Oh they know he was putting it there You said you wasn't in a loving house oh why I'm on this fucking interlude you know who I know had that conversation with they son? Who? Mama Combs

when Puff said he had 14 roaches on his face Oh my God I know Mama Combs Glenn in the puff ass that night when she heard that. I know Mama Combs called Puff like, I know good and God damn well. You ain't get out here and tell these people you have 14 roaches on your face. If I ever sass somewhere, it told somebody. I moved you to Mount Vernon.

And not the side of Mount Vernon that's closer to the Bronx. No, no, no, no, no. The good side. You was on the Westchester side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, yo, that's all. So when you say that, like, because that's something that we do. And we like, our parents ain't going to never hear what we're really doing.

No, that's why I can't lie on this podcast because my mother listens to it all the time. If I pretended to get it out the mud, my mom would be on Facebook with the wildest posting. I have. He had a meal every night. Fam, I can never, that's what I'm saying. I can never say that. I can never say that my struggle was so crazy. It's like, no, man.

We all struggle in some regards, but in comparison to other people, no. I did not struggle at all. I thought, listen, I thought crime because I didn't get that, you know, million-dollar man action figure as a kid. I thought that was the most heartbreaking shit ever. I didn't think my mom loved me when I opened that box and didn't see Ted DiBiase. What did you see and said? I think she got me like the generic Hulk Hogan and macho man.

But it's like, I like Ted DiBi Biasi. Like, I got a million-dollar man. But I just know, I got my first apartment by myself. I was 20 And This was on a nasty block On Bergen Avenue Nasty

And I left I left mad duck sauce sauce soy sauce Everything in that drawer That you just shouldn't leave Batteries Everything right Markers

I cut the lights on There wasn't even 14 roaches There was like four or five And they scurried And they wasn't on your face Like yo see 14 roaches on your face It's fucking hysterical

And congratulations to Puff on winning a lifetime achievement award. And getting 14 roaches off your face. That is a lifetime achievement. They should have him the first lifetime achievement. All about the Benjamin's is great. But 14 roaches. Yeah, like, so I know Mama Combs. She heard that and I know.

I know Mama Combs curse puff out. I know she did. Like, niggas, you crazy. You told him people you have 14 rogers on your face? Yeah, but that's got to be the rapper shit. You got to get it out of life. Yeah, you got to. But you don't.

Exaggerated. a little bit. Like who made it, it's okay to not come from struggle. Y'all know that, right? Of course it's okay. Yeah. No, that's, that's the goal. Yeah, but we got to stop acting like for our kids not to come up at the struggle. Yeah, but a lot of us didn't come from, like I can't, I didn't struggle, bro. My mom might have struggled. I didn't feel that shit. I never felt slighted. Like I said. Well, it's your definition of struggle because I'm sure, uh,

you define that as not missing a meal or always having clothes the same way I do. But I think some environments, other people would be like, okay, you grew up in an environment that might have been a bit crazier than most. So that could be a struggle. It was more. It was more. You had to look over your shoulder a bit more than I think the average person. Yeah, absolutely.

For sure. It was more, it was more danger. It was more hurdles. It was more obstacles. It was more temptations to get around for sure. Yeah. But because of what I had in home and in the house, I knew how to maneuver through those things and those situations.

I knew not to follow nobody. You know what I'm saying? And that's the, see, that's the biggest part. A lot of, a lot of these dudes is following. A lot of these people, you know, to grow up in these situations, they're easily led astray. Well, yeah, it's why you have kids from nice homes that become gang members and you're like, well, why did you do that? Exactly, right? So, you know, we come from struggle, but it's all about what you're learning in the home, man.

So it's, yeah, the environment can be fucked up. But as long as what's in the core and what's being instilled is solid and genuine and love and respect, you're going to be all right. You know what I'm saying? You're going to be all right. I mean, I don't listen. The puff didn't have 14 rogers on his face. I just want to say that. What about five, really?

No. Five? Bro, you, if a fly flies by your ear while you, you can be dead. I don't care. You can be tired as fuck. If a fly buzzes by your end in the middle of the night, you slapping, you slapping the water off the nightstand trying to. But you guys are asking the wrong questions. What kind of Roger's?

How did he count? Yeah. How you knew it was 14? You're just asking the wrong questions. I ain't going to lie. That was, we let Puff. How do you count? We let Puff.

Can we find that tweet at it? I want to see how many of your tweets it got. I think it was a video. It was a video. No, he said it with him. Because Puff has that voice. It wasn't. You know when Puff gives a speech.

I thought I read that though. This is from Complex.com in a recent interview. It was a video. With Vanity Fareddydy gave more questions a story about waking up one day with, not 13, 15 roaches. Oh, I had 14. My bad Puff. I shortage. Yeah, we ain't count the little baby roach.

The baby ones are quicker. Yeah, yeah. Around the 150 mark, people recalled, people were like, how did you know it was 15? Somebody asked him now? But now it's just the way it's the way Puff, like, give shit off that you just believe him. His speeches make you want to believe. I believe the 15 roaches when he said it. And then the day passed and I was like, wait, hold on.

You let it stick because you do understand like what he was saying. Like it was rough. It was, you know, turn the lights on in the kitchen roaches, scatter. I see a mouse. or something, you know how it is. I saw roaches growing up, but it took me actually, ironically, going to college to see my first,

like face-to-face water bug. No, no, no, no, no. Roaches, I saw roaches growing up. That waterbug, my freshman year, it was in like, you know, it wasn't an expensive college. The community bathrooms where everyone showered. Literally everyone, nobody even went to the school shower. Yeah, no, no, no, no.

Homeless people on Kennedy Boulevard, everything. If you could get in, you could shower. Yeah, yeah And mind you, I'm in that fucking shower Like the second day And I think I think I'm looking at a big ass roach I think I'm watching a roach just climb up

This nasty ass shower curtain And then that shit go And its wings start going And that shit flew my face I think I ran out into that hallway Butass naked with soap still on me For a waterbug? At least they were on 15th

It was a sassy waterbug It got really angry at me Oh, it was aggressive. It would get out of here. I was terrified. Nah, that might not have been a water bug. You might have saw us like a cicada or something. So what?

It was in Jersey City. They don't have cicadia. That's what they called cicadias? I think they're every 17 years. I thought that's what the cheese and the tortillas. Wait, what are the things? Because my dad... You don't hear it.

I didn't know. I ignored him as I try to do when he says things like that. He thought that was what? Cheese and the tortillas. Like, isn't that the same thing? Fam, that's Tuesday, all right? It's Thursday. We understand you get excited about Taco Tuesday.

Ed is so mad that Blockhead shut down. I'm so mad. What's this? Blockheads is like the Mexican BBQs. 100%. No. BBQs is the Mexican BBQs. Dead ass.

Yo. It's only Mexicans in BBQs. Son. Oh. You know, Edin is mad that Blockhead to shitdowns. What was the spot in Harlem at you, Jay and Juan spent $100,000 in $100,000.

Made in Mexico. Is Made in Mexico still open? We always do this local shit on this podcast, but I don't mind. I mean, is made in Mexico still open in Harlem? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Yeah, I think it's over. It's uptown. It's on, it's on Dijkman.

Yeah, there's one in Harlem. No, it's not. Actually, no, yeah. The first one was in Harlem. There's a made of Mexico in Harlem. Where? On second half. You're not about to question me, I'm up.

That don't count. Second half and what? Second, no, bro. That's second half in one and left. What are we doing? All the $199. What we do? 1199 going crazy in there.

We're not, all right. Is Hodgis in Harlem? Absolutely. So why can't make them in this one block away? It is. But I was just like, uh, that's, I didn't even know. That made in Mexico don't count, though.

That's the first one. I've never been to that one. Yeah, because I mean, you know, but you haven't been there. It doesn't count. I'm not saying that, but it's like, you won't get a pass. That's not the one.

It's cool. It's cool. The one is uptown. The one is uptown. Dijkman. That's the one to go to. That's one in Deckman, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, I always went to the one at Harlem. You know I'm scared of, Dominicans. How do we even get to this? We were talking about cicadas or whatever they're called. Oh, yeah, cicadas, cicada. Whatever year it was, they should be coming back. What do you mean? Like, with a new album?

Oh, they hatch every year, like a new album, at it. Yeah, the scatia. They're detox. Is it cicada? You got me saying the wrong word, and I'm sounding fucking stupid, bro. No, you're not. I fucked the bitch name Zigator. you see how you had to do that

out there on your platform you sure that lady wanted you to do that yeah fuck there every 17 years now you're right cicadas yeah cicadas yeah yeah yeah no no no cicadas these the ones that hatch every 17 years right I don't know that much about cicados oh yeah yeah 17 years yeah okay so this is my other

terrifying bug experience I don't know how this all right so there's been two traumatizing bug experiences in my life one was freshman year with that water bug this one was 2003, 4, I don't know. My dad had just moved to Baltimore. So I went to go visit him, and it was the year they hatched.

Oh my God. And they're like native to Maryland, these things. And they hatch, and they like swarm. So, you know, summertime, I'm used to bugs at least. I don't think bugs are crazy. I did not know that I was going to be covered like, you know, like the people that go in the beehives and shit with that cover thing.

The moment I get off the bus at whatever Baltimore Terminal that shit is, I am covered with the cicadas. I wanted to get right back on Peter Pan and click my heels and go right back. I know I'm mixing up Disney. That's fine. Like, I want to go back to Kansas. Yeah.

Yeah. I was, those things are the size of this red cup. Yeah. And they're like friends, though. They're like gang gang. They know each other? No, there are a whole RICO trial. Yeah.

They all move together. They do everything together. They murder people together. Those things are fucking terrifying. And it was just that one summer. And it's got to be, I don't know, it was 2003. Let's see. In 2004.

So 17 years. So the next time, oh no. We have to wait until 2038. No, then we missed one. Oh, then yeah. We missed a leap year. Are they coming back in 2021? They must have came in like 2019 or something.

They were set to return in May 2021. Yeah. Yeah. No, don't fuck him my Zakeda knowledge. Yeah, you're right. We say all that to say, congrats to puff. And give you on. And give you on.

Do we think Justine texted him? Oh, I mean, no. She's moved on. She's a Brooklyn chick, bro. Yeah, she ain't buying none of that. Because I've tried to get that same game up. You know, she texted. I wouldn't stop Givion because the album sounds so great.

But if I was in that studio, I would have been like, all right, if this is a way to get her back, I'm two versed in Brooklyn women. You're not. she's going to laugh at this she's actually going to go in her group chat and say look at this clown she was like I heard your little album no she a Brooklyn chick

she's gonna pretend she never heard it and then giggle when the name is brought up like y'all still fuck with him oh him yeah y'all still fuck with him they definitely try to get that off like you still y'all still on that but yeah

I feel like justine like she's a music connoisseur I think she appreciated some of it though I'm sure she gave it a listen I don't think she did I think they relationship in the kind of bad didn't it wasn't like on a sour note yeah no that's what the whole album's about yeah he got caught he got caught cheating in the worst way yeah she had the eye cloud she was watching real-time text messages while she was texting him I forgot about that and he was like oh I'm chilling at the crib and meanwhile he texted shorty like yo she is not here coming through oh my god we got to so then we got to thank justine's guy in some way in the weird way we was getting us we were getting a sad give you on album regardless no But I think that this makes it a little more... It adds context.

It gives it a little more, like, emotion. You know what I mean? Because we know that it's something that we really saw, like, unfold. So it's like, oh, okay, this is what happened. And he's sorry about it. And I did like them as a couple. I thought that they... I didn't even know they were dating until that happened.

Yeah. I never did. No. How? You would know. You're supposed to know that. Which is weird because I love Givion. and I love Justine Sky.

I had no fucking idea. Oh, wow. It was coming out of the pandemic. I was worried about my own relationship falling apart. You know, one day we got to have a real conversation about the pandemic dating. Or the pandemic endings. I definitely had a pandemic relationship. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yo, bro, we could get back to that. The pandemic Dayton was legendary. Well, I think I said on, was it on horrible or on our podcast? Not that I would ask a chick her body count, but I don't count her bodies. in the pandemic. Oh, yeah. Horrible.

No, I don't say that. Nah, you can't. I don't know. Because I mean some chicks don't count me. Yeah, no, you're not counting. Crazy? You're not counting. No, it works for us too, though.

Our bodies in quarantine don't count. I'm counting them. I'm counting them. I had good guys. You're probably the dude that got the notes with all these bodies. No, I'm one of those corn balls. No, no, no, no.

Never that. The pandemic, I'm counting them. I've actually reconsidered Lifetime friendships because I found out some of my friends had a note with their bodies in it. That's a lot. No, no, who's doing?

Nobody's doing that. No, people do that. Women do that a lot. I can understand women doing that. Oh, but dudes is weird. I know two men that I had known for a lifetime that had that.

And I was like, what do you? Was it like more than, I could tie a man doing that. How insecure are you? No, no, no. I'm about to say, I could tie a man doing that like having a list of every woman he slept with.

I could tie that into this nigga might be a serial killer. Really? No, I think this man is extremely insecure and just like so much validation within himself. Oh, of like a number. A lot of serial killers. True. And lack a lot of fucking confidence within themselves.

That's what I'm trying to tell you. Like, if you're keeping a list of the names of the women you slept with, what is this your fucking, what is this? And then your kill sheet. It's your grocery list? What is this? And no, I asked. I had the whole conversation and they hit me because, you know, men, we don't really talk. So it was like, oh, memories, bro, just memories.

I was like, you got first names there. Memories? I could see, all right, if you have consensual videos with a girl and you want to keep all that in a folder, cool. I ain't going to be mad at you. Wait, how is that better than the list? You just got a list. All right, if me and a woman that I'm sleeping with consensually want to make videos,

and that's just something maybe I want to watch someday. Okay. I can understand that more than just having a list of first names of women that you just fucked Like that's just weird to me Like after you guys are done You still have the videos I still have videos of women

That I've slept with them No longer talking to Like after you're done with them All consensual videos that I'm sure they know Yeah After we're done dating Yeah Is Michael George still have highlight tapes?

You fucking right I got my What the fuck is he asked for me Are you kidding me? Because we're doing it in comparison To the list You know it's funny Couples have videos

of him fucking them. Oh my God. He knows it. He knows it. He knows it. He has it too. Young cuckold. Yeah, you nasty cuck. Young cuck.

You son of a cuck. Son of a cuck is funny. But that would make way more sense to me than a list. What is the list for? Yeah, the list is kind of. That is true. What is the list for? The list is kind of.

And when do you look at it? Yeah, this is weird. Videos I can understand like, you know, you don't want to watch porn. So you like want to watch like my sex tape. Yeah, which I've done before. My sex video. with a girl, like that I probably miss it. And then in the middle of it, I was like, damn, I should watch some porn.

This is trash. Oh, it said, damn, we had some really great sex. Well, you ill. I'm not. You had eight on the internet. I'm not on the internet. See, don't throw it on the internet. Like, it was on the internet.

It was on the internet. Yo, Rory would be thinking he's sleeping trying to get his shit off. No, on the internet. Nah, not on the internet. I don't know in real life. Like, really out there. I don't know. Go right there, ask him about me up the block.

They know. Not, all right, there was in that one group chat that, uh, our mutual Houston female friends. She had said they spoke highly of you in there. Oh, my God. But that was still, I was on Wi-Fi when she texted to me. So I felt like that was still the internet. Still counts. I still felt like I was on the internet.

That's the net. That's the net. Yo, man, did we ever discuss that? What? What was that website called? Because we're talking about quarantine and all that bullshit. No, we're talking about the dick rating website during Clubhouse, whatever that whole quarantine shit was. They had a whole Yelp review. It was Dick Yelp or some shit.

Dick Yelp. And shout out to Shorty that made it. She's cool. And a supporter. Interesting. Okay. But if a man ever tried to do that shit, bro. Oh, no. Yeah. They'd be in prison. They kill them. Yeah. They are in prison. Yeah, probably. They sauteed them, didn't they? Oh, they got Kells out of here. Didn't they? But, Ed, on the, on the, on the review, Shorty's ranked Maugh on the 8 out of 10 Yelp scale. Maw was at 8. That's great. I thought that was a great review Would you not want an eight? Don't tell Edon, come on, man.

Like he should know. Come on, bro, it's me. No, no, you heard how he responded to him. Like, oh, that's great. That's cool. I mean, whatever. Eddn, relax. Would you go to the restaurant if it was eight out of ten?

Or you need the ten out of ten? What are you asking me here? Food, restaurants. Oh. Yelp. What do you tell you about? Just not fucking wham. Them cook.

cucknights. Them cucknights were kicking his ass in his memory. They was touching him. He ain't like it. Night terrors.

But if you think about it though, it's three of them. He only has to be 33.33%. That's true. He don't have to be a whole hundred percent. The odds are not a good. He only has to be 33%.

And he's good. He don't have to deliver. Oh, my God. Eddie, you've been getting it all. You've been flying under the radar only performing at 33%. That's smart. That's smart, bro.

I like that. All right. I see what you doing. below average. Listen, in all my latter threesomes, I've always been like, yo, I just want to see y'all go ahead of it. Try to get that off. That's a move.

Y'all make each other come and then I'll come in. We say all that to say, Stevie Wonder has still not received a BT Lifetime Achievement Award. And again, congrats to Puff. Absolutely deserved it. It was a beautiful tribute. Shout out to Sean coming out. That was powerful. It was.

With Sean is at in his life now. It was. And then Puff being, you know, receiving a lifetime achievement. Cheapen Award and obviously the history there with those two brothers. Like that was a dope, dope moment for BET to put that together. When I saw Sean at the Rock Nation show, I kind of felt like, I said, oh, he might be performing to Sunday. I kind of felt like once I saw him he was in town, I said, yo, Sean might be hit.

Did we see Sean at the? I saw him. I saw him. I saw him. Okay. He was there, though. Yeah, I saw him. But when I saw him, I kind of felt like, yo, this might be for the Puff tribute.

Like, that'd be dope if they had Sean come on. But then I started thinking like, but damn Sean can't say some of them lyrics from back then then didn't think that he would write new bars. You know what I'm saying? So it was all of that was like, damn, that's dope. Like he actually wrote new bars from the perspective of the man he is today. Still mixed in with some of the lyrics from back. That was just a dope.

I thought that was really, really special for BT to put that together. Shout out to Sean. And they just put from that. They put that bad boy documentary that was on Apple. now it's on Netflix from a few years ago which is a great doc by the way and Puff had that great line that that bad boy is like the recruiters

for pastors like everyone that comes to bad boy either finds God or the Looney Bin or something Puff was hysterical to that whole shit It was sad to see Mace wasn't there It was and I mean I figured that just because he just put out a disc record Yeah we know we know the history we know you know We don't have to get into that

That's really personal and you know Hopefully they can resolved that one day because it's tough to watch, you know, the bad boy legacy and, you know, everything that Puff was able to orchestrate and put together and shine not be, I mean, not shine, Mace not be a part of it. Because for a lot of years, Mace, he kept the engine. He was the engine. You know, I mean?

Like, Mace wrote a lot. You know, he had hit records. He really gave bad boy that he helped give bad boy. boy that glow, that puff wanted the shine, the glitter, the shiny suits. That was, a lot of that was Mace holding that flag. So it's, you know, it's just fucked up to see now as all grown men, we, some of them can't still sit down and put that behind them. It's unfortunate, but in a weird way, this could be just a callback to, uh, when we

talked about the Givion therapy bag of, we can find all the roots of everything. And, nah, that's bad boy's legacy. it should be represented the way it is. Yeah, no, I understand. And the bad boy legacy is, let's put on a shiny suit and make it look better than it really is. The shiny suit is the metaphor of bad boy. And again, people are going to take shit and make it sound like I'm hating and I'm not,

because bad boy is the greatest fucking label ever. The shiny suit is the metaphor for bad boy. The entire, I'm not blaming nobody. This isn't a, it looked good on the outside. Everything, we could dress up everything down from down to big faith in Kim. But that's every label though.

Of course it is. And that's why I think it's kind of ill that we are seeing it for really what it is. Because I rewatched the shit on Netflix that was on Apple, the bad boy shit. And Mason Puff was great right at that time. And they had been terrible before.

And they was out by Puff's pool saying, yo, pass is the past. Puff was like, yo, there's not even some little bro shit. you are you your own grown man now i can learn from you it was such a beautiful conversation then they was on the phone with craig mac trying to get him to come he's like yo i'm trying to just find god like this ain't really for me and now mace and puff are not cool mace just put out what a month ago a disc record at puff this shit is and at that time shine was had been deported i think shine was out of jail it's real all tributes can't be some let's dress it up no you're right

And the legacy should be, oh, we should do it just for the legacy. No, the legacy is that we never all got along at all. That's a fact. We all made an incredible label together. All of us are legends in our own right. It's just unfortunate, though. It's very unfortunate. You know what I mean?

But it's the truth. It's the truth. And that's why you got to respect it. It's the truth. And there's real issues and real problems. So you understand why it couldn't happen. But it's just unfortunate that it didn't. But you know what?

But you know what? But you know what? It's hard to, it's hard to talk bad boy and, and, and, and, you know, and, and, you know, and the legacy and all that and not not maize ain't there like it's just tough i'm from that era i grew up i know what that how special that was like okay but here here's something i think you could relate to completely oh yeah it's just as hard that what i think the beauty in that of keeping that real is yes it would have been ill for all of us to watch puff get honored as he should be and the tribute be all bad boy but that's not more important than me

and how I feel and my standards to what's going on. So I'm going back out. Yeah, I get it. So I prefer that than Mace going, oh, fuck it. I'll do it for the look for bad boy to look this way because it's better that. I definitely want that.

It's 30 years down the line. It looks like we're all front. Nah, fuck that. I definitely wouldn't want that. Definitely wouldn't want that. It's just, again. It sucks to see it. It sucks.

But I prefer, I prefer the real shit. No, we got the real. We don't have to put the shining suits on. The shit ain't shiny. We got the real issues again. I see real personal, you know, things and situations. So it's like, you know, I understand that. When I rewatched the bad boy shit, Kim and the Faith thing, I appreciated Kim's honesty in it.

Like, it's no beef, but no shit's like, I'm not cool with a face. It's like. And that's cool. Which is fine. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. But it was, it was good to see Sean out there. shine gave me a sign that I didn't

follow which was Remember when the Fugis did their show whatever peer that was in the summertime It was the same night as the Conway show at Webster Hall Yes

I was with a young lady And I was calmly bugging out Wasn't making a face or any noises But in my mind I was like, yo that's fucking Sean And this was shot when Sean had just gotten his I'm going to say diplomatic pass to get back in the states

I don't know what it's called I'm a Democrat I don't know and he was there I was like yo shine is in fucking New York City right now and she was like who is that and why is that weird wow

see that's how old I am if somebody says that I'm going home I'm like mind you y'all have hatched like the new generation has hatched. Here's the thing, though. If we were at the little baby concert,

she would have every right to say that. We were at the Fuji's reuniting concert. So if you're there, you know culture. You should at least know. You know culture. Somewhat of that era. And I'm like, yo, shit. Like this, I'm telling you, Sean was from us to Edden.

I'm like, yo, that's, yo, Sean is in New York. That's fucking crazy. It's like, who is that? And I was like, that Sean. He's a rapper. It's like, why is it weird that he's here? I'm going to go home now. Yo, he smoked somebody in a club and got deported.

I'm going home now. Like, that's what I'm doing. I can't hang out with people that don't know who. Like, if you don't know, Sean, like, it's a whole lot. That's a whole, that's a whole, like, you know, another story and another lesson that you just got to do on your own. But, again, salute to Sean for, you know, being a part of that tribute. That was, that was dope. That was really, really powerful.

And again, congrats to Puff, man. on an amazing career you know just legend in every sense of the word of Mount Rushmore of hip hop without question you know just everything

Puff is Puff has done so much for our culture and it's good to still see him be praised so highly in the culture because Puff is the goat Yeah like I'm... Puff is the fucking goat I'm old enough to have seen it gone from you know, the unfortunate situation at City College to where Puff is today.

You know what I mean? So I watched it, you know, was able and fortunate enough to be around some of the most iconic moments being at shows backstage, being privy to a lot of, you know, dope shit. So Puff is definitely somebody that is deserving of it, of all praises. You know, he's just, he's just an example of believing in yourself, believing in your team, knocking doors down, not taking no as an answer, not being deterred. Like, just the epitome of a hustler in every sense of the word, man. It's just dope to see him be celebrated by the culture and, you know, so many people. While he's this young, too.

Yeah, like he did so much. And, you know, he's still, he's still, puff is not an old man. And it's not done by any means. So it's like, you know, like shit. And I know we was joking about like the roaches and getting out the mud and his long and it matters. That's part of the culture. No, no. But I'm saying Puff like, yeah, we was joking that way.

If you get into Puff's whole career outside of just the city college shit, like and outside of the obvious with big and shine and the amount of setbacks that Puff has had, the amount of times you would look at. what would have happened to Puff and say his career is over. I could count to 20 maybe on the amount of times we saw events and series that happened where anyone would go, hey, that guy's career is completely over. And instead of it being over, he completely innovated. Not only came back. No. Did something completely different and changed the whole.

Like he's the fucking go-go-ro. He's completely just showed us that, yo, it's literally nothing we can't do. We could conquer film, TV. reality TV fashion like you know it's just like lifestyle like we could just be cool like Puff is the epitome of just just cool

selling cool bottling Puff bottled up cool and sold that shit around the world bro that's what Puff did he bottled up cool and he sold that shit around the world around the globe my niggas like and niggas got to respect Puff for that and I don't think there's anyone in hip hop ever that has balanced grimy

and I guess like that boogie high-level high-brow shit better than anyone, period. Like the fact, if you even look at just bad boy as a fucking label, has there ever been a label

like that that is balanced real R&B, pop R&B, grimy-ass hip-hop, pop hip-hop, it's the most complete label that's ever existed based off Puff's ear

and, in Puff's direction. Like he's, Puff's a goat, man. Yeah, he's, he's the epitome of literally just a hustler and came up through every ranks of the entertainment business and the industry and literally worked his way to the top and, you know, just made it made a dream of reality for people, man, like, and just showed us like, yo, we could, we could really do this, you know what I'm saying,

at a very high, classy level and have fun and look good doing it. And we can grow old gracefully. Like, we ain't got to be in bad health. We ain't got to be out here. up, broke and like he just changed so many stereotypes, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, literally saw it from like a young teen to the man he is today, like literally seen it. So, you know, that's, it's just, it's just been, it's just been dope to watch him over the BT Awards weekend. Everybody's showing so much love and gratitude and, you know, just appreciation

for Puff because he's definitely deserving of that. So shout out to Puff again, BET 2022 Lifetime Achievement Award winner. And you were, I believe, the second lifetime achievement award in the press room. What? What do you talk about, man? What, man? What did I do? You was achieving lifetimes in there.

Was her? Yeah. How so? Should we break down our press room? Yeah. World? Yeah, let's do it. The media room?

The media room. Oh, yeah, because we didn't even talk about that yet, right? No. No. Oh, man. That was, um. we haven't even covered. We haven't even gotten a Chris Brown's album. Yeah. Wow.

That was an experience, man. That was, that was very, that was different, man. That was, but it was cool. I had my, I was a little apprehensive going into it, like, because, you know, we don't really like to, to just sit down and talk to any and everybody and things like that. Like, you know, we have, most of the times when we sit and talk with people, it's probably because some sort of, like, real personal, uh, feeling and vibe was already, like, established. Yeah. And then we figure out

something down the line where we could do where it's not too to plan, too produced, and just sit down and really kick it, give the person's time

to maybe get some more things done, watch them, even help them get some things done in their career, do things together behind the scenes,

and then we sit down and kick it about our real life experiences. So for us to do the BETT Awards, the Media Hub, they didn't want

to call it the radio room no more because it was podcast is there as well. So the Media Hub. That's right. First of all, thank you to BET for the experience. Thank you for the invitation.

Thank you for everybody. Very well, Rand. My issue is not with BET. I think BET did an amazing job. Yeah, they did a great, great job. So thank you for that. Thank you for giving us that opportunity. When we were talking, we were in Mexico, and I'll tie it in, I promise.

We talked about in Mexico with our unnamed guest. Yes. Of how him and I are more free spirits. Like, fuck it, let's try some shit and see what happens. that's how I felt about doing that BET thing as far as, because I kind of had an idea of what it might be actually in a way, that Mexico trip helped me prepare for that. I want to hear why.

In a weird way, it did. I kind of had an idea of what it would be, and that idea was something that I probably wouldn't have liked. And while, again, we're going to keep everything honest here, BET paid very well. Yeah, let's make that clear. So, yeah, I know everyone, oh, I do nothing for a check. Yeah, sometimes you do shit for a check.

Yeah, and it's okay. And it's totally fun. Welcome to fucking America. But you get a great experience out of it and you learn things about yourself as well. But that's not why. So it's not about just the bad. That's not why I did it. Did it help for sure?

I believe that's the juice. Oh, the juice. Oh, mall ordered vegan juice. I just have pineapple juice. I promise you. There's not animal products and pineapple? No, I promise you. What if an animal bites the pineapple and then they put it in a juice?

or maybe lick the pineapple and now the pineapple has COVID because you can indeed catch COVID from animals. Which, by the way, did you, and we're going to keep all this. I was on the phone with Sherry today for a conference call. Sherry, Brian, love you.

Love you, Sherry. And she was like, Roy, did you get a... Yeah, it's the two keys. I think he hit one key twice. I think he, you might just have to go get that, bro. He just re-rocked a brick. I don't think people are going to know how funny that is. That's fucking hysterical.

Oh, man. Oh, shit. Wait, you let him in my house? Yo, just take the juice and tell him to go, bro. The fuck, he's going to come to the couch. He's on my staircase? Yo, bring him up here. Hey, bring him up here, man.

We got an extra mic. Bring him up here. Let's interview the Uber eats. That's like three-floor stuff. He has to be on this floor. What is you doing, Edna? Hey, we never. Why do we send Edna to do shit, Joe?

This is crazy. We're about to get shot. I can hear his voice. They're about to run down on us in here. You know how far the front door is? How can I hear him? Oh, now you're going through the order. Fam.

Edin, lock the door. Lock the door. I am black. We lock all doors where I'm from. No, keep on. We keep in all this. Okay. So, yeah.

So that experience, that BET Awards Media Hub weekend was a really, a really dope experience. again, it was something that I think we were both kind of apprehensive and doing because we don't sit down and kick it with a lot of people like that or when we ever we do, it's already a personal attachment there. So that was, it was a good experience, though. We went into it, didn't know what to expect. But once we got there, it was like, oh, okay, this is. And again, any of my apprehensiveness of the entire thing had nothing to do with BT. Put in the fridge. Because it was great.

Thank you. Did you give him my spare key to? Edding, while you're at it? Okay. I just, it just wasn't us. And that's what I kept thinking about. I'm like, we don't do the, can barely hear the guest's quick hit type of shit.

But, and again, it really wasn't a check thing. I was like, well, let me see if we could do this. And I enjoyed it, but I will say it's not for me. Yeah, I mean, it's. I'm glad we did it. It's just not for me. I know me. Well, you're so, the older I'm getting, I'm just,

not. Well, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you tell people that you're, you're socially awkward. You don't do well in those settings. You don't really like just sitting in a private setting with any one of those guests. I would have been fine. That's what I'm saying. I'm talking about the socially like, just, like, you, you just talk to somebody. I don't even know what mood, the person that you talk to before us, put you in. It's everybody just circulating the room and kind of just, like a press day type of thing. All the athletes go to different outlets, reporters and talk to them, and this, that, and the third. Like, so by the time you get to us, you may be somebody, the other person just

pissed you off with the questions they were throwing at you. Now we received that energy. We don't even know what's going on. I get what you're saying. But, you know, it was interesting to be in that room because a lot of people for one that I had no idea even were paying attention to us. For sure. We were doing.

It was great in that regard. Like, I didn't expect them to approach us and show as much love and support and respect that they did. Like, to me, that was worth the entire weekend. I was like, holy shit. Like, I love you. You know what I'm saying? Like that's all I could say to some people like, damn, like, that's respect. That's love.

And I also was nervous with like artists I didn't know much about, which that is one of the things I like to do. I want to talk to artists I don't know much about and like really get to know them. Like that's my shit, but you can't do it in that environment. So now when someone comes over and it's like, hey, we have so and so like, no, I don't want to look like an asshole and be like, fuck no. But I'm also like, I don't know much about them. and now we're about to sit down for two minutes and I can't be like, yo, so who are like, tell me about yourself.

Right. Because that can come across offensive, especially to a artist. Like, you're in a press room and don't know anything about me. That's why I was so crazy. So crazy yelling at Benner, like, yo, can you give me a list of everyone

that's going to be there? Because I do not want to be that asshole that doesn't know. Even if I don't listen to any music, I want to know something about them. But I'll tell you, the funny thing about that, Rory, when we sat down with OG and I told her when she was coming

I said, I'm going to be completely honest with you. I don't know who you are. I don't know nothing about what you do. But I think that's dope because this is going to be probably the most authentic conversation you're going to have today in this room. But that she is a different spirit. Absolutely. OG, that was probably, we talked to Neo. We talked to legends that I love.

That was my favorite conversation was with her. Yes, absolutely. Because she had that type of spirit and on top of that is with no ID. So there's a connection there already. And she did a great job. I went and listened to her music. Oh yeah. Her performance was fucking great.

She smoked that shit. I went and listened to her music. I love her music. Super talented. But you don't, that was very rare. She was just a good human being and also a talented human being and made the type of music and fuck with the type of people that you and I could have a conversation forever about.

Absolutely. Talked about cocaine 80s. We went into a bunch of people. of shit. That's not happening with everybody. Right. Like, it's a lot of people that were dragged there by their publicists and were just like, yeah, shout out to BET.

Yeah. You can tell. You can tell. You could feel the energy. And on top of that, I could barely hear you to begin with. Like, it just, it was an interesting experience. And everything that was bad about it had everything to do with me and not the environment or the people.

All internal shit. And none to do with BT. nothing to do with the guess. It's just something that I don't know if I'm built for that type of shit. You guys are definitely built for that type of shit.

No, like personally, I can do it. I could do that shit in my sleep if I focused and, like, wanted to do it. But it's very, it's very, for somebody like Rory is very draining. Oh, hell, yeah. It was draining for both on, oh, yes. Oh, yeah. It is draining.

And people don't, I think that's one thing that when people want to get in the podcast and I don't think they factor in, is that it is very draining. People think it's just sitting down talking. It's like, no, it's, it's going to drain you. It's because you, if you feel anything, if you're emotional, if you're, you know, you can kind of like just tap into certain things and topics and, you know, conversations. And it takes you to somewhere in your life personally.

That shit is draining. Hell yeah. You know what I'm saying? That shit is really draining. So sitting down talking to people like that, that one, you may not know. And again, like you said, Rory, that's running around this whole gauntlet of interviews of the day. Somebody pissed him off. now we receive that energy.

We don't know that. We don't know what's going on, but we just in the room with them now. Yeah. So now we got to kind of, it's kind of like throwing the ping pong ball of like, all right, how are you feeling? What's your energy?

And even with guests that we had, that I didn't particularly care for the conversation off their energy, then we have someone that we actually like, and my energy's off now. Yeah. Like, now I'm like, why did I even just like. It's a, it's a, it's,

now I'm sitting there like an idiot with a mic talking to somebody I don't care to talk to you. It's an interesting. It's an interesting exchange, though, for sure. Like, it's definitely the interview and sit down in that environment and just talking to people. It was definitely an interesting way of doing things. So it was new for us. It was different.

But it wasn't. I mean, I did 14 interviews one day. Yeah. It's just a weird way that the industry, I'm not even saying music industry, just because they do this with movies with everything, entertainment with these press room, of just how people view press. of like how people view how consumers will be connected to something because I think we had some good conversations in the short amount of time that we had but not something that I feel like a consumer would connect

like and granted we weren't doing press for the BET Awards because obviously they passed and we're going to put this content out afterwards but the way they do that for like promos with movies and shit is so quick how could a consumer even connect it's just weird how the PR impress people that are experts in this are so far removed from the human experience. Yeah, they detach a lot of like real shit from the situation. It's like you have to factor in the fact that this is not just an actor or an athlete. This is a human who has real emotions and feelings and can be experiencing anything.

And then you're sending them in a room like this to promote. a product which I think is even kind of how outside of podcast and even like first take and like let's go into the sports world where it's like just long form content

type of things even when they didn't have guests on they're still doing long form content that people can really connect to and understand and get like engulfed in engaged in this is just like oh I'm in this and even when first take would have guests on

it would be long form conversations And I feel like these, like, it's just Stone Age shit. Like, that's, like, when E.T. would come in between the news and it'd just be like, quick hits. Like, oh, this person's dating this person. Like, cool, that's what it is. But it's not, you're not really connecting to it. Yeah, you're not connecting to it. And when you're selling an actual product or entertainment movie, song, whatever the fuck you're doing,

that's just not the way to connect to it. It's not the way to do it. Like, yeah. Yeah. But again, you know, we understand. Well, they added podcasts. This isn't a slight to BT. No, no, no.

Because I thought they did a fucking amazing job. It was amazing. It was that, that room was... Tarynx smoked. I've never seen... I've never seen... I've never seen... Anything like that.

He killed all that shit. I'm just... I viewed it differently when they... Even when Edin kept saying, like, oh, look at all the radio shit in the middle of the room. And like the podcasts are the outside where the bigger couches and...

With the booths. Yeah, the better places to be because obviously content has shifted into longer form shit. That's what people. care about. I think that was the good first step. Yeah. I think there needs to be some type of media press room that is actually dedicated to how podcasts like true engagement. Like, true engagement. When it comes to these award shows, movies, anything that does a press room.

Yeah. Like maybe it's just three people that you put like when we interviewed Taraji, that should have just been a full episode. Maybe just get us there just to interview Taraji and then we out. Yeah. And then let all the rain. radio quick hit shit, do everything else. Taraji was dope too. Because we found ourselves with every conversation

with the people that we actually really fucked with. Hey, we got to sit down and do a real one. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to just tell you guys. You guys are dope for that

because at the end of the day, I know you guys really want to get engaged with these people that you guys, I'm pretty sure that I can only imagine how many of them you wanted them just stay. A neo episode would be my dream.

Listen, I just, you know what it is? I just, I always say it. I don't ever want to feel like I'm interviewing somebody. Yeah. And that's-

And to me- And to me- And who wants to be in an interrogation room? You know what I'm saying? I don't like that feeling. Like I want to just, let's just, let's connect on a real level. You know what I'm saying? And find out, I was like, oh shit, you went to that type of shit too?

Okay, so maybe we could. And- You know what I mean? And because from that is gonna birth like a whole real conversation because we're in a real moment and a real connection. Right. You know what I'm saying? Being in the, again, no slight to BT and what they did with the media room. That media hub, that was amazing.

It's the culture oppressed. Yeah, like, that changed a lot for me. But I'm just saying, like, in order to elevate it and to make a real connection, I think, with the fan base, I think that should be something where, again, three, four are going to be given, like, 30 minutes with this podcast or 15 minutes with this podcast. You know what I'm saying? Something like that, and it has to be something where we agree to it beforehand so that we kind of already on the same type.

Everyone was active. Because it felt, it felt to what you just said, it felt like interviews. And that's why I didn't like it. We were rushed for a lot of days. Every publicist. I speed dated Taraji. Dead ass.

That was a great conversation. I speed dated Taraji. I speed dated, uh, slim thug. We speed dated everybody, bro. It was like, yo, where, how you doing? You been? You know, you'm saying? Got the going on.

Yo, you build a house. 15 more. It's like, you're a fan, come on. And even I felt like Slim was probably the closer conversation. because Slim and I started talking about spots to eat in Houston and certain camp and all they said. Oh, that's the type of shit I was trying to get into. I don't care who Slim Thug wants to see at the B2 was. But like it was forced for us to be in that environment that you have to just ask those quick hit interview BET questions.

You have to. And yeah, it just needs to be because you know their PR prep them because you also have to think that too. They're going in there thinking I'm going to be asked. The same five questions. It's just going to be a different outlet from a different part of the country and they're going to say, hey, who produced your album and are you excited? Now that, now that, right. Now that I know what it feels like, I know exactly how we could do that again.

Oh, yeah. And totally create a whole different experience. Oh, I would come. We would just find a specific weird subject and just ask a bunch of questions that had nothing to do. Yeah, like I know exactly, even aesthetically, like the things we could play with now. You know what I'm saying? Like where to be like, oh, now that I've done that.

Other shit. Like I could just, I'm like, okay, I see what this is now. First time being invited to the party, you don't really know how they get down in there. You're reading the room. Like that was like, for me, it was like going to a party and then finding out you could smoke in here, but I left all the weed at the hotel. Yeah. I'm like, wait, what? Like, we had all of it.

You know what? Like, that's what it was like for me. Like, I got invited to the party. I said, no, I'm not going to bring the pack. Yeah. I mean, I look weird. Yeah, can't smoke in there. I'm not going to be that guy.

And then you come in there and not saying she did, but somebody like, Taraji, be like, yo, nobody got no weed. You're like, oh my, I could have brought the way. We could have connected. Me and Taraji could have connected off the weed. Like, are you kidding? Like, that's what it was like. It was like, okay, I see what the setup is.

I see what they're doing. I just know how Rory and myself could make this a total different experience for everybody that comes and sits and talks with us. So now, but again, thank you to BT. That was super dope. Thank you for, you know, putting that together. the budget was real. Ma would not drink the Desani.

Daddy would not. But he did drink the tap water from the bathroom. He just didn't realize it was terrible. I don't know why he thought it was going to be something like. No, I said it was tap water. I said it was that good California tap water. Yeah.

I knew it. I could taste the Staples Center. The fluoride? I could taste the Lakers jerseys for sure. Is the New York City water thing? Is that just something that we make up to make ourselves feel better? New York has some of the best tap water. No, I know.

I know we say that all the time. But is that actually a fact. I believe it, yeah. That's a fact. How do we know? Of course I have. Jersey tap water is crazy. No, Jersey tap water tastes drastically different.

Yeah, it tastes like Donnie Brasco. The undercover cop? No, the movie. The entire movie is what it tastes like. But the movie took place in New York. It looks like Johnny Depp's trial. But is that a fact, though? Because I've said that my whole life.

Is that really true, though? No, it's true. Okay. Yeah. I wasn't sure if we just made that up to flex the way. No, no, no. You can search that. And it's not just because of the city of New York.

It's the state of New York. Oh, I thought it was just the city. No, I thought it was the city, too. The state of New York. Apparently has a naturally soft mineral palate. Yeah. You niggas got hard pallets. That's why y'all don't respect.

Oh, speaking of water and a callback to the girl that I I went to the Fuji's concert with Shine, she got her get back on me. It made me look stupid. I argued her down to say that the Hudson was saltwater. And she was like, it's not. And I said, you're fucking bugging. Not that I've jumped in there, but that's salt fucking water.

Bay. Bay. And she said, no, it's a mix. The Hudson River has fresh water from the top and salt water from the ocean. and I'm like All right If you're gonna tell me There's fresh water in the Hudson

You're bugging Yeah not And then we googled it And boy was she fucking right Oof That's it's a tough hit When you just argue something down And you're totally wrong

And then someone Googles it Yeah But you think I even think I hit her with The like yo you're stupid I'm 100% right Like I got really arrogant With like yo

Being arrogant And wrong is some of the funnish Oh wrong and strong Yeah that's some of the funnish I say it's better all the time Stop being fucking right and strong. Yeah.

Yeah, look it up. The Hudson River looked clean and it's teeming with fish, but the fish and the fish and the river on the bottom, which is dependent for food and shelter, are contaminated by PCBs. Oh, no, freshwater, I don't mean it's clean, but it's got fresh water and salt water. Can cause cancer and cause other serious health problems. The river is not self-clean. What are PCBs?

It's an STD from the Bronx. Oh, okay. PCBs? Is that who... Wait, what? I feel like the Bronx just got shitted on. have to save it. Poly chlorinated by fennels.

Oh, fentanyl? That's one of the crazy uptown. Oh, niggas is dropping down. Bodies is hitting the floor every week uptown from the Fed. I'm telling you that right now. I can guarantee you that. I can't tell you how I know these things, but I know. I want to argue the Chris Brown album, but Demeris left and she's my only ally in my

Chris Brown conversations. Let's argue. This is the first Chris Brown album that I've liked in a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very long time. Easy. And I love Chris Brown. I think all his albums have great records. And I think Chris Brown is a fucking icon.

And you guys are going to call me a dick rider. I'm scared. Some people are talented. It's actually my truth. Some people are talented. He's fucking Chris Brown. Yeah. I think his Achilles heel has been Chris Brown doesn't make good albums.

And I think that's what separates him from the icons that he doesn't have like, let's not even just say that one album that we could all go to. I just feel like his discography has missed a lot as far as albums are created. And I'm not saying. this one is that either. But this album I do like a lot and it's the first Chris Brown album that I've liked as an entire. Yeah, that like I could just let this shit run and I'm cool. This album is incredible. No, he smoked this shit. The record with him and WizKid, I think maybe our song of the year so far. I wouldn't go that far. I like the approach they took because I was

expecting extremely fucking stereotypical Afro beat WizKid record when I saw it on the track list. and it's it's afro beats but it's not the it's not what you thought it's yeah it's not just straight to it um that is one of the the better records on there yeah but i don't know song and uh that's one of is it not nominated as of right now it could be up there i got to hear it outside let me hear it outside you know what that's i have to go to summer club in long island city you know what you know what they all you've seen them on ig haven't you they're all at summer club i don't want to be there i got the plug no i'm cool you got the plug for summer club oh yeah no we get a hope we get a hope for summer club oh yeah no we get a table for free.

A whole table. I don't want to say that the whole table. Don't want to say that the whole table. No, I said the whole table. No, it's a whole table. The whole table? We out. With hose.

The whole table will be full of hose. This album was definitely, but I agree with you. It's one of Chris Brown's best albums. I think it is. Which again, it's tough to say. My only problem with Chris and I love Chris Brown. I'm on record saying he's one of the most talented artists we've ever had. but I just think the

hours be too long I mean an hour in 20 minutes yeah we're talking about 24 tracks if Chris wanted to do the the album shit like the bad thriller type shit because everyone keeps doing this

Michael Jackson shit the past month but wait what Michael Jackson shit yeah what Michael Jackson shit he even addressed it on his press run people keep comparing him to Michael Jackson oh that yes yeah I mean maybe talent I've said it before.

I think that as far as talent, just being able to dance and he's up there sing and he's on that, he's that God level of talent. Oh, as far as talent? Of course. Yeah, crazy. You can draw skateboard. He can do all that shit. Yeah, like he's an artist.

He's a gymnast. He's a fucking could get a gold medal at the Olympics. Yeah. Chris needs, I think, to lock in with like not a producer, not a beat maker. Like he needs to sit with like a fucking One of those weirdo Musical fucking geniuses

And be like, yo, we're gonna make 12 records And you need to shut the fuck up And we're gonna focus on all 12 of these Yeah That's what he needs to get in that album route Because he's just too, his talent is his Achilles heel Like he's too fucking good He can do the shit so fucking easy

And he is talented at finding other people that are talented So he finds writers that are incredible He finds producers like quick Yo send me a pack Chris will have the ear to find the right one. He's too talented. And I know I know the internet is going to kill him. That sounds crazy. I know he's just talented. That's his problem. But I know what I'm saying and I know what I mean. You know, you're saying it just needs to be. His output needs to be brought back. Like you're doing

way too much. I know it all sounds amazing, but that doesn't mean the world needs to hear it. Maybe you need to lock in and find a new approach because you're too good at this that's in this phone right now. Yeah. You need to sit the fuck down and focus on 10 records and just those 10 records. But cocaine, you know, sometimes doesn't let you do that. How old is Chris Brown now? 34 maybe. Chris Brown is like two years older than me. A solid 33 years old.

33. Yes. Yeah, this, this, he just turned 33. He's at that, he's at that age right now where it's like you could really, you can, he could break through a whole new level. Oh, yeah. Like if Chris Brown became like, if he disappeared off social media and we didn't see him and we only see him when he wanted us to see him like as far as like music and

shit like that like if he went into that realm he might be able to really pull that off does that mean he would have to pull out of features and everything yeah he almost got to become it's like he got he got he got to create his own his own world and live in it i kind of feel like he did that though to some degree before this album this was the first time i felt like chris kind of disappeared uh what features did i hear he has In the way Chris's output was before as far as features. Oh, even just being seen outside. Yo, because he's, I'm telling you, bro, first of all again, I don't want, this album is incredible.

This is a great fucking, a great album. A lot of good fucking music on here. But I just think that, yo, like we're saying, Chris is so talented. He, he, he going to have to do something else. Yeah, he has to find a new approach because his approach is too good. He got to become, he got to become like, he almost got to get. it like weird and i hate to say that because i want to sound like a like a bad thing but like a good weird where it's like you know what the fuck do this dude be doing like you haven't seen it this

the same time we were talking about uh with the press shit a consumer being connected to it what was the name of that chris brown album that he put out 64 fucking records on oh my god um i was just looking at that i listened to that once and there's not a bad song in all 64 i didn't connect i connect it to maybe 10 of them. And I think that's my problem with Chris. Chris can make 64 amazing fucking records, but because he's so talented, it's so easy that there's no

connection to it. Yeah, it's too easy. And at least on this one, he got what, 22 records or something? 24, yeah. And that's what I'm saying? This might been since X that I've, like, fucked with a Chris Brown album, not just certain records,

or his talent or his performance or anything like that. He, I think, needs to just relax and focus on putting together a project for his legacy and who the fuck am I? Like if Chris Brown wants to just put out 64 records

I'm gonna go another way with it. He might need to fall in love. Well, um... I'm gonna go another way with it. Have you listened to the song K? But I... Givion put a little K sauce on his album too. He definitely did. He blamed

Justine a little bit. He definitely did. He definitely did. Kay is the sickest R&B record of all time and I was still on record with that. Yeah, no, what I mean, like, he, I think, I think, I think he may need to be, like, happily in love again. And I, and, again, I don't, I'm the last guy to know when niggas is happening in love, so he very well, maybe.

But he may need that, because I remember what the energy and the aura of Chris Brown was when him and Rihanna were together. Like, when he would look, seem to be genuinely happy and having fun and love and like you I know I remember what that energy was I was also in love at 19 too it wasn't real yeah but that's what I'm saying he has to he has to find he has to find that though I think he has to find that and then he has to become he may be too accessible but I feel like I feel like niggas got too like he's such a superstar

he might have to tell niggas you'll listen don't call my phone no one like he got to get to that where it was like damn like Chris just completely detached I mean you keep your core and your family and, you know, but like, it's a lot of niggas that I know got Chris Brown number. That niggas is too talented. A lot of niggas shouldn't have Chris Brown number. Like, when you got that much talent, certain people should not have access to you. I'm sorry.

Yo, Ray J. and Tiger are both legends in their own right. I'm not just, I'm not shit on them all. But the guy we're comparing to Michael Jackson has a mixtape with Ray J and Tiger. But why you keep saying comparing, like, I don't think people comparing. Yes. No, that's exactly what everyone's doing. I don't think they're comparing the music. I think they're comparing...

Chris needs to make a decision. The talent. Chris needs to make a decision. You want to be Michael or you want to be Bobby Brown. And here's the thing. Bobby got a lot of pussy. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, listen to me.

He got a lot... Bobby got a lot of... He got a lot of top-10 pussy. Listen, hear me out. I don't mean that in a slight. All right, all right. Bobby Brown is a fucking goat. He changed everything.

He's a fucking icon. I'm not slightly. You're missing my point. Bobby walks so Chris can fly. We ain't gonna do that, I'm a whole Bobby now. My prerogative, Tenderoni. I got that, I had the cassette.

Bobby Brown is a fucking legend. I'm just saying, speak like it. How you perceive that is your own personal business because I didn't mean that in a slight. Right, right. I'm saying, do you want to be Bobby Brown? Who had a lot of success? Do you want, change the game, did everything.

Bobby is a fucking icon. But you focused on a lot of bullshit when it came to your legacy. And you became very accessible and you ruined a lot of your legacy. or do you want to be Michael and focus on this album shit and granted we can all say Michael

had a bunch of shit that fucked up his legacy too. Yeah, he got some stains on his collar. All I'm going to say is the feds never found nothing. Do with that what you will. If the feds ain't find nothing there. But when it comes down to music wise,

Michael's legacy is untouchable. Bobby did some Bobby things in his musical legacy. whereas Bobby could have been Michael but Bobby was Bobby which was fine that's why he's a legend as well

and Chris could be that as two but do you want to be this icon that is of Michael at this stature or do you want to be the Bobby stature icon and I'm not saying either I'm better than the other I'm going another way I'm going to go another way

listen I probably take Bobby over Michael when it comes to my personal preference listen I'm going to go another way maybe he just going to be Chris I was in the same that's his story there has to be like a middle team Like you can't chase the ghost of Michael Jackson

Because I'm here to tell you You niggins ain't gonna catch it That'd be a sad journey Yeah, you're not gonna catch you All right So I know what you're saying Because I've said it His talent level

He has that God level Talent Chris Brown has God level talent What do we know Music-wise What do we know Bobby for And what do we know Michael for Music-wise

And they're dysography What do you mean What do we know them for? I'm trying to walk y'all down The point I'm really trying to make You named a bunch of Bobby singles that are fucking amazing. Bobby has good albums, too. They're good.

Bobby has iconic singles. His discography is good in the scope of icons. His singles are iconic in the scope of icons. Michael singles are iconic and his albums are iconic. His performances are iconic. tours are iconic. His legacy is iconic when it comes to music. Now, I think Bobby and Michael are of the same ilk when it comes to talent. I don't think Bobby Brown is less talented than Michael Jackson. I don't think Michael Jackson is more talented than Bobby Brown. And I'm throwing

Chris Brown in there too. No, hold on. I'm going to walk you back on that one, brother. Mike got more talent than Bobby. And I love Bobby. But we ain't going to do that. We ain't going to say Mike don't have more talent than Bobby Brown. Musical talent. I'm not talking about as a man. I'm not speaking to the men that they need these guys are. I'm just talking about if you tell me... I think Bobby could fight better. All right. I'm rolling with you.

I'm rolling with you. Let's add all time. If I get a tour with some niggins to me outside, I want Bobby over my shoulder, for sure. Instead of Mike? Yeah, for sure. You don't think Mike, like, hey, hey, guys, come down. Fuck that, Mike.

It's time to throw hands. I want Bobby. I'm just saying, if you tell me Bobby Brown is performing over here tonight and Michael Jackson's performing over here, I want to see what this nigga get ready to do, bro. See? That's all I'm saying. You're proving my point more.

what their output was, yes, we know Michael Jackson to be more talented than Bobby Brown. If Bobby fucking focused and had a different, probably upbringing and environment that he was in, I don't know that Bobby Brown wouldn't be just as talented as Michael fucking Jackson. And I feel the same way about Chris Brown. I think he's dimming his light with so much shit. Yeah, but you're missing an important part of talent though, Rory, too. Part of having talent. Yeah, for sure.

You got to be disciplined. All right. So let's go back to my original question. You want to be Bobby Brown and Michael Jackson? Yeah, stay disciplined. Brought it back. Yeah, stay disciplined. I agree with you.

I agree with you. He's had some moments like that where... And who am I to judge something? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Chris Brown has had human moments. He's had human moments. He's made mistakes. If I was that age with that much money and access, I'd be way shitty other Chris Brown.

That's what I'm saying. He made human mistakes and things that I'm sure he's probably, you know, shit. He might not have had a good night sleep since some of that shit. We don't know. Well, I mean, have you ever tried to sleep? You're going to Coke? No. Well, I mean, I'm not going to say that man.

But I'm just saying, like, you know, you got to, I just, my thing is we got to look at each artist for what they do. Appreciate it. Yeah, we can say, damn, stay focused, discipline. That's part of talent. But at the same time, it's like, yeah, but sometimes part of their stories is they got to go through fucked up shit and that's just going to be part of the legacy. Like you said, with the whole puff, babble shit, a lot of it is not always pretty.

It's not going to always be shiny Again, I'm talking about their personal lives That's why I said Michael obviously has stains with his personal life I'm talking just musically Oh yeah, musically That's all that's all I'm speaking about I think he just needs to tap into that next level We love and there's good Bobby albums

For sure There's iconic Bobby singles There's good Chris Bob Good Chris Brown albums For sure Iconic Chris Brown singles For sure There's iconic Michael Jackson singles

Iconic Michael Jackson albums You want to be Bobby and Michael And I think Chris has the talent, ability, and discipline, even though I don't know the man, to do that. Yeah. I just don't think he's... And again, it's a different era.

I've said on this podcast a thousand times, my favorite Drake line is, I wonder how they survive in this era and talk about these old heads. Chris Brown doing mixtapes was part of the time. He should have done that. That's what was going on. That's what Michael Jackson probably would have done

if he was in this era. But, yeah, I think Chris, with his talent level owes us a classic album because I think he could really do that shit. That's all. Who some of the producers you would like to see him like? It wouldn't be plural. He needs one.

He needs an executive producer. Okay. I'm not saying like lock in with a beatmaker and do an album. No, he needs one executive producer that is going to formulate that entire thing with him because I know, come on, Chris is a musical motherfucker. J.D. No.

It's too obvious. You think so? It's been done. J.D. is too obvious for Chris. But why do you say that? Because it would be amazing, but it would be something that we've had. Would usher. I think Chris would, it would be too much pressure to go to two confessions.

Like, that's why I love that. That's why I love, and we talk with J.D. I love, that's why I love J.D so much that. JD fucks with younger artists. Because once you start putting JD with a legacy acts that were out. And Chris at this point, damn there is a legacy act if you want to go by streaming determination. Chris was around at that time or was at least growing up at that time. That's why I like JD's fucking with division and all these younger people.

Do that shit with a young artist. Chris, no, he's somebody different. It'd get too close to what we love from Usher. It'd be too much pressure. and then if they went all the way left it'd just be weird it's like why is J.D and Chris Brown giving me an EDM album?

Nah, we're not going to say that JD he's going to give Chris Brown an edem now we're not. Dance is in. Yeah, dances in. Shit, Chris gave us. I feel like Chris gave us a dance album already though. I mean, yeah, what was it?

He's done a couple. Well, he has a lot of tracks, yeah. But yeah, this, uh, This breezy album, though, to me, is definitely one of his best albums. No, I love the album. I know that was a weird conversation. It's definitely one of his best albums, for sure. For sure.

And he's talented, man. So it was, I was, I don't even think, did we know that Christmas for an album out? I think he gave like a week notice. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah, that's, that's almost like a surprise album at this point. A week's notice? I mean, I don't know.

I'm standard to, I mean, what's the point of fucking marketing, really? Well, again, he's a part of that. crew that doesn't need to market anything. When they drop, it's going to sell. You know what I mean? It's him, Rihanna, Drake, Beyonce, you know, Adele. Like, now you're getting into, like,

those type of artists. So he could definitely announce his album a week out and it's going to do what it's going to do. What I mean, respectfully, I really enjoyed the promotional photo that Beyonce had put out on our Instagram. Those are. Respectfully, just from the artistic standpoint. I'm really into like horses and stuff.

I still haven't seen it. Oh, it's a great picture. It's a great picture. I bet you haven't seen your auntie. Or no, that'd be your sis. Yeah. I forgot. I was trying to.

I don't know how, I forget how young. The age. The fuck? It's a little confusing. Well, yeah, but I mean, Biggs and Jay's, that's your older. No. I don't know. I don't think it.

How do you guys feel about the new loop? In-law? No, definitely not. New Lupe. How do you have felt about it? I don't even know Lupe put that album out. And I don't remember that disrespectfully. I'm going to listen to that tonight.

Drill Music and Zion. Lupe, this is a really good album, man. I didn't know it was, I wasn't expecting it. I didn't know it was coming out. Real, real short, quick, 40 minutes, 10 tracks. He rapping. Lupe on their rapping. Is this feature, Nairobi, that's not the one that,

that was on hip-hop save my life, right? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Brick came into the music boring conversations. We used to talk about hoes and fucking and relationships and Givion. It was great. Yeah. And that would be a music nerd.

It's okay. Yeah. Great. Oh, no. That's Nikki. She's fire. That's racist, word. It's the N-word.

Somehow I'm trying to. I'm racist. It's okay. Yeah, drill music in Zion. It was just, it's good to hit Lupe. Still rapping. High level. I don't think that's ever going to change with Lupe, man.

He's just a fucking one of the aliens. I do want to get into this Brent Fias single, but... I didn't hear it. But... I want to wait till the album. Okay. What you're about to... Because I know you get that with your album.

What do you want to say? You're about to do some... What is it? You're about to say some Patreon shit and start talking about about. About Brent. Like, what, man? I've been defending Brent for a very long time that he is not toxic. He's honest.

And it's the people that are not honest. not honest that are toxic. Okay. And after price of fame, he might be fucking toxic. It might be him. Welcome to the new world. He might be the problem. Yeah.

You just realized that, but that's fine. I like the second half of the record. And again, let's be honest here. The first half, I was like, all right, I've gotten this Brent a lot. That second half of the record is fucking fire. Who produced it? Probably him. His internal crew, Saunder, that everybody over there.

I didn't hear it, man. I'm gonna check it out. He's way cooler than us because he lights his his weed with matches. I like my weed like Sammy Davis used to light a cigarette. Well, he had no choice

because they really just had Yeah, they shouldn't have matches at that time. They had lighters. They didn't have lighters. Yeah, but they had like those gas lighters that, you know, they were hard to find. Even though I feel like Sammy Davis

probably could have gotten one of those. Probably. You definitely have a lot. Mall's kind of more of a hipster than me, right? Oh, no, yeah. You have Supreme. Can you show me? Oh, that's true.

Yeah, no, yeah. Well, we did it on Patreon. Are we going to give... No, fuck that. They got on Patreon. See you now. You got a pre- You just mad I stepped in your lane.

With Supreme Shoes. Big stepper. No, I don't have... I don't own any Supreme sneakers. Wow. But you own, like, every Supreme... I got Supreme Peasers, but not Supreme. Well, you stepped in my new balance lane, so I had to reply.

They was waiting for a response. I was wearing new balance. I was wearing new balances. How dare you? I have pictures of me in high school with new balances on. Yeah, but that wasn't my choice. Yeah. What you mean, it wasn't about choice.

I went in brought up. I went to Dr. Jays and purchased them myself. It was definitely by choice. You never know a new balance that Dr. Jays when you was in high school. Are you crazy? Yeah. What? What were you talking about, bro?

Come on, man. I was out there shopping. In the 70s? In the 70s? In the 70s? In the 70s? In the 70s? In the 70s?

In the 70s? He being in high school in the 70s is fucking crazy. They didn't have, Dr. J was still playing basketball. Wait, Dr. Jay was named after the store. That's hilarious. Oh, man. No, he's not No, no, no, no

You got a whole mic You can have a whole mic. No, no, no. Great, you would be the greatest podcast guest ever. They just don't know why. How do you think he is? I think, I'm going to say 42. Not 40.

Okay, I was in 4. I was pretty spot on, though. Could you about to be 41? Yeah. Yeah. This year. This year. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, what? Give me my uncle guys. What? Like, what was the Great Depression like? You know, Rory, it was, it was tough. It was a lot of...

We didn't even have gas. Was their cars? We were still powering well for carousals. What they called? Carasine. Carasine. It was really hard to get alcohol at that time. Carousels.

That's how we used to get the carousels going. No, the only ride we had was a carousel. And that's how we used to power. up with the kerosene. I know. I understand. My grandfather told me uphill both ways.

Oh yeah. Exactly. Both ways. Both ways. Exactly. Yes. You know, I'm glad you didn't go on the Titanic. Yeah, no, I was busy that night.

It was very cold, very frigid. I just couldn't bear it. Talk about a shitty boat party. I've never. And this is why people don't follow that. I don't fuck with boat parties. Yeah, like follow the Titanic. I'd never, if you, if you haven't, this is for anybody that's listening.

If you having a boat party, Save yourself the time of inviting me. I'm not coming. I'm not getting on a boat to party with people. Because when I want to get off, guess what? I have to stay on this boat and I'm stuck in the middle of the water with people. No, you have to go in the Hudson, which is salt water and fresh water. Callbacks.

Yes. I don't want to do that. I'm not going to a boat party. I hate boat parties. I hate all white parties. Yada is a boat with leather fucking tanning beds. You can't trick me in a better fruit platter. One of my favorite.

A better fruit platter? Yeah. It's a better spread. One of my favorite anti-social Palooza stories ever is we did Coney Island. I should. It might have been around 4th of July. And for some reason, we had this great idea to do a boat party sponsorship afterwards and grab a bag. And mind you, Palooza ended at 2 a.m.

And like the boat left at like 3 a.m. It was one of those that like 3 to 6 a.m. shits. We barely got off the dock. And this was right around when Father Stretch My Arms came out. I just stretched my hands. Yeah, but yeah, that shit. I just like you were singing a Jewish. No, I did the sample.

I did the sample. It is a Jewish sample. So, yeah, thank you for my vocal cords being so perfect. I could smell the holla. The holla. That's not. The dreidel's? I think you, I think you, isn't hollah muslin?

I think he's spinning. No. Holla bread? You never had a hollab bread? That's a fire. Right, Edding? Yeah, and that shit fired yourself. Edding.

Edding. Edding. You look like you can. be a good Jewish boy. I've never been a, I've never, I've never, I've never been a temple. I don't like that. I don't like when I do that. Y'all don't think I'd just be saying shit.

No, I'm just making sure he does. I know how they always do like those Jewish parody raps? How come no one's ever done a hollaback younging? We may be able to find that. I think I saw that. I'm pretty sure that's somewhere. I think I saw that. I think I saw that.

I'm almost sure I saw that video. And I want to know how the rap by remixes is a woo woo-woo. Why do all Jewish people remix all rap songs? But with that said, they own them. It's just Leor. It's no one else. Holy shit. Oh, man.

And I think Lear does own Hollaback. I believe Fav was on Dev. Yeah, we could definitely tie that back to Leo for sure. We were on the boat and that song played. And then they started beating the ceiling in and the whole ceiling collapse. It looked very 9-11 coming out of the building-ish. It was so much powder. And the boat turned around right away, and they canceled the party,

and we still got our deposit and everything back. And one of the greatest nights ever. That sounds great. Oh, the boat turned around. I didn't have to be on a boat for three hours where I took it off. I got right back in a cab and went home. That sounds great to me. With the money.

With the money. The ceiling collapsed. Yeah, what did he do about that? I have no idea. Not your problem. Fuck that. Shout out to Pier 16. Before we go any further, I do want to say prayers and health and healing to a little TJ.

Yes. You know, we're praying for you, man. You know, it's an unfortunate situation for, you know, a young man like TJ, little TJ that have to go through. Hopefully he heals and, you know, gets better. Reading a lot of rumors and shit online that I don't even want to give too much energy to. I'd rather just say prayers to the little TJ prayers to his family. As well as prayers to Shaka.

You know, again, hearing things around him. You know, let's just hope that, you know, he continues to heal and get better. Two very unfortunate situations. But just a reminder that life is fragile, you know. Yeah. Everything could be good today. And then unfortunate things happen and your life has changed forever in a matter of, you know, just a few minutes. So prayers to the, prayer's to little T.J.

And his family and prayers to Shaka and his family is. well. But yeah, other than that, man, I don't know. I guess we could always reconvene at a later date, gentlemen. That is true. I don't think we have to. You guys don't just end. I'm just happy to be back.

I had a long, we had a long last two weeks, for all. Yeah, y'all had a long month. Yeah, we've been to L.A., in Mexico City. L.A. Back to L.A. And then, Philly. New York. And then Philly before that.

And it's, it's been a lot. It's been a lot. So, um, we had a lot. of us time here. Yeah. Yeah. I'll say that to say this. I don't want to see you,

diggers, for at least another week. Are we invited to Biggs wedding? Yeah. Wait, am I invited? No, absolutely. Oh, okay. I just want to make sure. Yeah, I just want to, you know,

we had a run. June was very eventful. June was very productive. That was a no, Edon. Oh, damn. We're not as plus one and two at Biggs wedding. Well, I'd be two. Yeah, you would be.

You would need two kids. Yeah. Too strong like bull. Yeah. Two seat belts. Two prodig shirts. At least at one and a half. Yeah, one and a half.

Yeah. But yeah, it was, June was fun. Had a lot of fun. No, it wasn't. It was. You don't think it was fun at all? I had fun. Oh, I'll tell you why.

Going back to the Mexico City preparing me for the BT Awards. Yeah. Because in Mexico City, it, as we know, we know, I felt some things happen. Some things happened in Mexico City as far as like just perspective and outlook on things and just, you know, some reassuring things happen. And I think that that allowed me to feel like sometimes you got to do shit that might not be in your comfort zone. because you know what I mean it's like it's going to affect some change and it's going to cause things like okay like damn like I said we never did the media the media have a BT we don't know that some of those people in those rooms feel that way that they feel about us right yeah for whatever reason maybe they can't reach us or you know it just wasn't it was just better that it happened like that in the same room organic as opposed to a DM sure or an email from somebody saying you know this person you're and things highly if y'all loves what y'all are doing.

Definitely wants to do some things in the future. You know what I mean? You're in the room with them. It allows for that real connection to happen. So, yeah, Mexico City, I think that just opened. Like, yo, sometimes you got to just be like, man, I don't even, let's just go. No matter what it is. Let's just go.

We may not want to, but in life, you ain't going to want to do shit. You ain't going to want to always do a lot of shit. But sometimes you do it and, you know, you make a connection with somebody that turns out to be a lifelong friend or even a lifelong partner. You know what I'm saying? It's like, but had you never, you know,

stepped out of the way of your feelings and emotions and ego, you allow for that space for some real shit to enter and be like, oh, damn, like I never even knew this person fucked with us like that. You know what I'm saying?

Like, for Pete to walk up to us the way he did, to me, that was like, oh, shit. Yeah. I never even knew. You knew who the fuck I was. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

So it just allow for those type of conversations. But that's where my, even though I'm not come across as the fuck it guy of like, let's do whatever, I am very much that person. Yeah. And a lot of my successes have come from a controlled fuck it. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you got a controlled and absorbed talent in knowing how to move in the fuck it world. Yeah.

Yeah. You need that. You need to be able to say, fuck it. You know what I mean? And just sometimes just go with things and do things. How we even ended up in Mexico City and that relationship came from a fuck it moment. Yeah. Cheesh.

Sometimes you got to have that energy. Like, you know what? Let's just do it. Yeah. Let's just go. Let's see what happens. And, you know, it turned out to be some really, really dope shit. So.

You always went to jail together. Well, I didn't feel like we were. I'm going to be honest. I felt way more comfortable there than I have ever been able to do. I felt way more comfortable there than I have ever. felt in any city in America. I was hoping they were letting me keep the camera. I mean, I would have snitched and I would have been on Vlad, like, I didn't even

understand what the gentleman we're doing. I would have, I would have like, I would have been like, it's gringo. I'd have told him, I'd have told him he's Mexican. He's acting like, he's like, he's a canelo. Yeah, canelo, little, Omano. Conno, Camelo, Amano. They would have known exactly what the fuck I would say. I would have told Roy to Shadowbox a little bit.

Just show them. They definitely would have been, okay, we get it. I can shadow box, not like Canelo. No, nothing like it. Definitely not. But yeah, June was fun. June was eventful. June was busy.

June was productive. We made it through it. Was it busy? Made it back home safe. Everybody's good. Are we? Yeah. We're home safe.

Yeah. Oh, no, I'm just saying, are we good? I think, are you good? Well, are you? Are you okay? Are you trying to tell us something? I told you guys already. I told you in Mexico.

Well, no, I told you in L.A. I told you in Mexico. Oh, yeah. No, I know. Oh, well, I mean, yeah, but that's going to be fine. Yeah, you're going to be fine. Yeah, you're great. Yeah.

So, yeah, man. Cheers to a, I was going to tell you in person. An eventful June. Cheers to an eventful June, productive June, a busy June. And let's keep momentum going and have a productive July and fun July and meet some more dope, cool people and connecting. And we got some, a lot of dope shit on the way to as well. And hopefully my dining room table will be here. in July's way.

I ordered it in October. It's now of the pandemic. He ordered it. Of the pandemic? Yeah, he ordered it in the pandemic. It's July of 2020. Never getting that fucking table. Absolutely.

And Demaris had the nerve to say, oh, I love this shelf. Where to come from? I was like, oh, you were the one that. Ordered it? Orden delivered it. And she's like, oh, I thought I was talking about your table. I was like, that's in France. You're never getting, you're never getting the table.

No, he'll get it. He'll get it. So yeah, man. We'll reconvene at another day. It's fucking tired. I had a long day. It's fucking midnight. I had the longest day ever trying to get back from Atlanta.

You guys are going to have fresh, fresh pot. Pilots was canceling, walking out on Delta today. It was crazy in Atlanta. All right. So, yeah, so we'll reconvene. We'll get back together in a few days. Let's relax for a couple of days. Shower in our own showers, sleep in our own beds,

beaming in our own towns, boys. Yeah. Until the next time. Don't be at the stumble in on Saturday. Gringo. You know there was no water pressure in Mexico. And then I went to the Mondrian and my shower broke and my room flooded. What?

Yeah. I couldn't get a shower for three weeks. No, that's part of it, though. That's all part of the journey, man. Sometimes you got to go through the worst type of shit. You got to go through the worst type of shit. I was in L.A. at BT weekend with no shower for weeks. You got to just shower in my shower.

I got to smell like the culture. Yeah, fuck it. Sometimes you got to feel that. I feel like the culture smelled way better. You got to, yeah, you got to smell like the culture. Absolutely. Just a little smell like Stephen Hill We back home for a few days

So yeah Let's unwind Let's relax Let's have fun And do shit that we want to do In our own homes for a few days And we'll get back to the people Cool

I'm that nigga He's just ginger Y'all be safe A win is a win A win A win is a win I don't care what I'm saying Yep that's me

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