New Rory & MAL - Episode 89 | 'Star Chasers'

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

In this episode, after recapping their weekend and brief discussion on Netflix's new documentary 'The Most Hated Man On The Internet,' Rory & Mal dive right into reviewing Beyonce's new album and her projected sales, which leads into a discussion about the term 'album artist' - what it means, who qualifies to be called one, and why it doesn't work in everyone's favor. They finally get into their debate comparing Beyonce to Michael Jackson (spoiler alert- Rory is fighting for his life on this one). They also address Will Smith's apology video, Drake having covid, + more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Are you serious? Mr. Nice Watch is one of the worst records ever. Ever? No, I can't let you get that off. You can't just say. ever. New Rory and Marr. Welcome to another episode

of the new Rory Moll podcast. I am all. I'm Rory. How you feeling, man? Good. Two episodes in a row I identify as Rory. We'll see if that changes. I like when you identify as Rory. I've got it up. Some episodes I feel more Edin.

Some episodes I feel more D'Maris. Yeah, he just gets a little weird. Sometimes more Baisley. You never know. Because you got the dog in you? I'm just going to ignore that and pretend And like it's just you and I here. I'm good, man. How you feeling?

Cool, man. Good weekend. Spent time with the fam. Okay. The fam is in town, so spent time with my nephew, my sister. Yeah, that was about it. I know your sister listens to the podcast, so you're probably going to lie. How long, without bad circumstances, of course, would you allow your sister and your nephew to stay at your house?

What's the cutoff day? Like, when shit is like when nothing's fucked up, like, I'm a, listen. Like, you got a home. Yeah. Honestly, man, you know what it? I realized I really just don't like people in my space. I agree. As an only child,

I can speak to it. And I'm not the only child. That's why it's really weird. But it's like, I just, I don't know. I like things in a certain order. You weren't even in the womb by yourself.

Yeah. Like, I just like things in this. But maybe that's why. Like maybe it's like, enough for this shit, man. Like, I want to be alone.

Like, I came into this world. Yeah. Let me experience this life shit alone for a few. Um, I don't know. I just, I'm just used to like just having things a certain way.

Even if it's messy. it's like organized mess because I know exactly where shit is at even in the mess. So it's just like when you have people in your space you got to kind of like, you know, adjust and move around differently. But, you know, that's family.

I love them to death. So it's always good seeing them. But it's time to go. As long as you, I'm not there with my family with that conversation yet. I like allude to certain shit. But I can never be like, hey, you can leave my house now.

Yeah, yeah. Because you can't say it. You don't want to be an asshole. Yeah. You don't want to be that dick. You don't want to be that guy. And then, you know, life is for us. It's better now.

First thing that happens is, oh, he's acting funny. Yeah, of course. He's changing. He's acting up. The money's changing them. You know, it's like, no, I just want to be alone. I love y'all. You know what I'm saying?

We're family forever. But I just like being in my space alone. And then I got the second bedroom together thinking my mom, because that's what she kept asking for. Like, where's my bedroom type of shit. Their moms always want to know where they sleep night. Set it up thinking like, oh, this will be a way where, like, we won't have to see each other as much when she's here. And I'm like, why does she not go to her room? Like, can we

send her mom to her room? Can we roll reversing? Like, hey, go to your room, please. Like, get out of my space. Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. All the things you used to tell me, mom. You go outside and do that. Like, how much local news can you watch in this living room? Yeah, my God. I mean, I love family, but yeah, after about three or four days, it's time. And then you become a geek squad at Best Buy. Nothing ever works. Yeah. So there's a great documentary you're out right now, Rory, and we were watching it. Well, you watched it. I only watched the first one. First episode, we was watching the second one.

The Most Hated Man. On the Internet. On the Internet. I feel, I've always felt that I was pretty in tune with the Internet since, I don't know, maybe 2006, 7. I feel like I've kind of known what was going on on the Internet. We forget about a lot of things that happened on the Internet. A lot of things that just happened during the pandemic, we already forgot about, let alone 15 years ago on the Internet. So this documentary, what was the gentleman's name?

Hunter Moore, I want to say. Hunter Moore. So just like Fire Fest, which I didn't even know about until it hit the internet with everything blowing up. Shorty that scammed her version of Soho House, I didn't know about it until the Netflix doc. This here happened in 2010 when I was full-fledged on the internet, just like J.R. Smith and the DMs. Yeah. I had no idea about this, and this dude was on Anderson Cooper giving it up. I think that this was a part of the internet that I think it was a very select group of people.

Fucking losers. Yeah, this was a weird part of the, because in 2010, Twitter was really big. And that was probably the one thing that all of us were on. Instagram was around, but Instagram wasn't Instagram yet. It wasn't what it is today. Twitter was the place to be. I think this shit hit the fan in 2010. It started earlier, I think in the MySpace days is when this community of fucking weirdos came about.

But for those that haven't seen it, this gentleman, let me not have to say gentlemen. This piece of shit, Hunter Moore, started this website for revenge porn where you could upload nude videos, photos of women. You could add their addresses, phone numbers, where their parents lived. And then it just allowed a comment section for everyone to just say really, really nasty things. things about the naked woman. And I don't think it was actually just women. I think it did move into the dicks as well. Yeah, because one of the guys said, you know, back then you have a sidekick.

He was like, what do you do with your sidekick? You take pictures of your dick. I was thinking like, whoa, I was, you know, group chat maybe. I had a flip phone and then I went right to the Blackberry curve, I want to say. Yeah. No pun intended. I never had the sidekick. So I never had the sidekick.

I was very late to dick picks. Yeah, no, I never had a sidekick. the sidekick but on the Blackberry we were not I mean I don't recall We were emailing. Yeah BBM BBM but apparently this was a

big thing back then revenge porn This dude was a super dirtbag I was watching this shit like I do see where his crew has influenced in the internet now like just these fucking super loser kids

that get no pussy that got hurt by a girl once when they were 14 now sit at home and feel empowered by violating people from keyboards. Right. Like, I see where that spilled over into the world. I think this was probably the beginning of it. But this dude was super dirtbag. Absolute piece of shit.

He's still not sorry for what he did. He went to jail and came out and was like, I'd do it all over again. So, I don't know. We're making jokes, but this dude was like the epitome of fucking skull. And a fucking loser, for that matter. Yeah, he was lame. He was lame for this. But it's just amazing the amount of people that will support lame shit, the amount of traffic that he generated to the site.

Well, the internet has allowed, well, let me not just say the internet, but it's definitely increased the amount of attention lame people get. And then the lame people, and by lame, I'm not saying social status. We're talking about losers that fucking leak women's photos and say mean comments under shit about women. Right. It's about those lame. Yeah. When lame see another person get quote unquote empowered or attention for being a hurt dirtbag, yes, they follow behind him because lames breed other lames and they get together and do more lame shit.

So these whole crews on the internet of certain clicks, like I know we make jokes about the fan bases of artisan shit, but there is crews on the internet that just do all this nasty fucking loser shit. And they all feel like it's okay because they're all doing it together and they feel like they're empowered because they can say things from a keyboard. Yeah, that's the unfortunate part of the internet. With no consequence, because they don't have to come outside. It's just weird, you know, like you said, they end up on Anderson Cooper, all of these, you know, different platforms to talk about the internet that they created.

But it's like this person created an internet, you know, strictly aimed at embarrassing people and, you know, putting private photos out there because they were hacking emails and they were hacking phones or whatever they were doing instilling these photos and people. putting them up on a website. It's just a fucked up thing. But this shows you, you know, the audience that's out there waiting for this type of shit. And, you know, he was hosting parties. People were showing up.

Girls were showing up. So on one hand, you have people that are like, oh, this is fucked up. This is, you know, this is wrong. And then on the other hand, you have a line wrapped around Webster Hall to get inside and party with this guy. So. Well, it was interesting. I think maybe on like the third episode. I forgot who was talking.

He was one of the FBI agents. somebody was suggesting that one of the people from, I think they called themselves the family or something on some Charles Manson shit, one of the people in the family had said once it was over, they didn't know what to do

because they were young and they created their personality based off this internet bullying shit. And we've had that internet bullying conversation and say that doesn't exist. To me this is internet bullying. It does exist.

They created their entire personality based off this. So once they couldn't do it anymore, they didn't know who they were. And that's what these fucking lonely 12, 13, 14 year olds are doing. And they do it for five years. And then they become adults. And it's like, wait, my personality is based off of saying mean things to people online to make myself feel better about how shitty I feel about myself.

Yeah. And then now you're an adult. And now you have to go make something of yourself. It's like, oh, I don't have a personality. My personality is being mean to someone from a keyboard. And someone will actually punch you in person. It's just interesting to see how far the internet has come since this. Like when you look at sites like OnlyFans and things like that now,

like now you get paid for posting your nudes. You get paid for posting videos and things like that. So was Huntermore an asshole or was he? Yes. Yes. Because people on OnlyFans. Shoot content for OnlyFans and get paid for it off their consent. He was hacking people's emails that were grabbing.

Some of them weren't even sending these photos to their significant others. Some were just in their email. Some women just were taking photos of their naked body, which they're allowed to fucking do. Of course. And not have it leaked. And just doing that. And it was then empowering people that also were hurt fucking losers like Hunter Moore to then take photos of their exes and be like, ha ha, now your naked bodies on the internet. It's like, okay.

Now what? Yeah, weird times. But check out the documentary if you haven't. Most hated men on the internet on Netflix now. We did learn something. You and I were talking and we can get off this soon. We did learn something off this dock though. Yeah. Very informative. Star Chasers.

Star Chasers. We've been calling, see, the thing is you have to compartmentalize people and give people to write titles. And we've been calling, we've been calling them groupies. Hose. We've been calling them hos. We've been calling them escorts. I like that one. A lot of names. Well, one of the mothers of one of the victims of this made it. her business to find Hunter more and did a great job. Shout out to that woman. But they got a little bit into her past and like she had done interviews as well on talk shows. And she was labeled as a star

chaser. Star chaser. Where she suggested that she would just go to parties and try to get into VIP sections with stars and was usually denied but said there's always a way. I always get past the velvet ropes. So Mall and I were saying we did not know that there was a term and because words are very important now and titles of what people want to be called are important. I can no longer use the word ho. I'm retiring it the same way I've said language before that I didn't fully understand. We can't use groupie. We can't use groupie. Is groupie that bad still? You are a star chaser. You're a star chaser. It's kind of like me with the dream chasers. It's the star chasers. I've seen a lot of star chasers for the dream chasers. Absolutely. I've seen a lot of star chasers

that were hanging out with the dream chasers. I get it. I understand. You keep everything and Constellation. And some of them are shooting stars. Absolutely. Shooting stars. This was a good documentary though. So check it out when you get a chance. I mean, it's a fucked up situation, a fucked up story.

But the documentary was very informative. We all lived through 2010 that time. And I never really knew that this was a thing. But good documentary on Netflix, check it out. I used to be in Webster Hall around that time. I'm glad I didn't go to those weird nights where you'd look at the flyers and be like, who is going tonight? It was these fucking weirdos.

It was 100 more. and the star chasers for sure. Meanwhile, though, I was going like the Thursday 18 plus nights that were hosted by Jewel Santana and Boybank. So I may have been a star chaser myself. Oh my God. Jewel! You definitely was... Jewel! You was chases died. I was definitely chasing stars in Webster Hall. I was chasing not being 21. It was the only place I could go. Those 18 plus nights were great. I feel bad for all the 21-year-olds, though. I never understood that when I was a teenager. I was like, I don't understand why everything can't just be 18 plus.

Then I turned 21 and I was like, please get these 18 and 19. You learn pretty quickly why. Then I turned 25 and I was like, please get these 21-year-olds away from me. Now I'm 30 and I'm like, please get these 25-year-olds away from me. It'll keep going. New music? New music did come out. So, arguably the greatest artist living,

greatest entertainer living. Beyonce dropped an album. this weekend. Listen, man, it's not much you can say. I mean, again, I feel like the music is not for me. My demographic, guys like me, it's not for us to really bang and listen to. But I listen to it. I listened to the album because Rory said it was a great album, Clean the House.

Said, okay, give it a spin. And I was quickly reminded of how great of an artist Beyonce is. Like everything on this album, it was just like a tutorial. of how to put out an album, how to create an album, everything from the artwork to, you know, just the music and the content and the transitions and the mixing

and everything was just at the highest level on this project for me, just listening to it. And it was some songs in there that I can groove to. I was going to say, I feel like she did a really good balance of making this album for everyone when it could be deemed for a specific group of people. or just a specific type of music lover that's into dance and more club stuff.

I saw people saying this is the most complete Beyonce album ever. I would say the self-titled one is, but this quickly went pretty high up in the ranks for Beyonce albums for me. Yeah, this album for me is definitely one of my favorite Beyonce albums. Like I said, I don't listen to Beyonce albums much, but obviously I recognize the amazing talent that she is so I have to listen to and check out what she's doing and putting out

but this was a um this album is up there for me on her on in her discography for sure this is one of Beyonce's best albums I see Demaris reaching for the mic oh no I just wanted to um ask if Maude learned how to Vogue no I I read the hips for it I read Vogue magazine really do you yeah he does it yeah I read Vogue I still pick up Vogue every now Yeah. You still pick up the magazine.

You still like pick up like the actual like magazine? Maul looks like he definitely opened up the cologne sticky shit. It rubbed it on himself?

Yeah, it was like yeah, this is for me. Oh yeah, I think I'm one of the dirty Bronx neighbors. Okay. Right before you hit Webster all you went in right to the story and just went to the page out.

I had a cologne in the crib. I had a clode in the house. I promise you. Um, but yeah, I definitely put the Chanel blue. I have that. Yeah,

you do look like a Chanel. You got Dior Savage too. No, not, no, no, no. Roy, where do you rank this on Beyonce's discography for you? Um, I feel like this is a hard question to answer because choose wisely. No matter what you're wrong.

Choose wisely. It's a really good album. It's a really good project. Choose wisely. I think I'm going to go, wait, am I allowed to change my mind like in an hour, though? Absolutely. I think I'm going to go. Why would you change your mind in an hour?

Because it changes. You know, your rank of Hove albums doesn't. change every now and then? Not really. That's a different conversation. Because we were there, but I think I'm going to go self-titled

Lemonade 4, and then this one. Okay. Okay. Well, he's definitely a dangerously in love guy. I don't know, man. This is probably top three.

This is not a top three for sure, for me. I think top three but not one. No, I don't think, it's two. It's only been a weekend. It's been a weekend. I can't, I can't say this is her best album just over the weekend. But this is off of three listens. Like, this is up there.

This is top three. It's very easy to listen. So she's projected to sell between 275,000 and 315,000. Mm-hmm. For opening numbers, what do you guys think about that? just how much sales have changed and how much like do they matter like the fact that bianca is projected and i don't want to say that's low but it is low for her that's low of what we're used to with with certain artists and certain sales because we've we've seen it with the drakes kendrix

go like the rapper as well but that does seem very low and i'm not speaking to the content of the music or the artist it's just that's low yes for bioncé to see to see that number 275 to 315, that is kind of low for Beyonce. But sales, like we're saying, sales have changed. So it is what it is. Is there standout singles on this? Hell, yeah. And I don't mean that in a way of negatively.

It feels like with the transitions, I understand why she put outbreak my soul before just to start this entire rollout and the other chapters and to sell the merch and all that stuff. This album to me is similar to the Beyonce self-title. You don't need a single. Everything runs into each other.

Nothing feels like with four there's like just actually singles that are like, oh, this, we made this to be the single. I say that the internet has been loud about Alien Superstar, about cozy. He did, I feel like.

Even though I feel like it's a single, I just think because she was getting a shit off. I like. I like Virgo's growth. groove. Regals groove. Again, but it's six minutes long. Is that going to be...

I like that record. Plastic off the sofa is my favorite song followed by Thick. Because I just felt like she was talking about me. And more. It's the truth. All right. You just feel like she was talking about me at him? Okay.

Pure honey is my... All right. No, listen. All right, we learned it. Beyonce's an album artist. So... Beyonce is arguably the greatest artist. of her generation.

And you say artists, it doesn't mean just singing. You know, Beyonce is arguably the greatest entertainer of her time, arguably one of the greatest vocalist of her time. She's just all around. She checks all the boxes. I mean, it is what it is. Yeah. You know what I mean?

As far as, as far as that's what I'm saying, trying to pick a single or the next single, like I said, she's an album artist. Like even the transitions in this album, you never even realize that the song is changing. Love it. No, the album, like, from, it's just, it's a, this is a masterclass in how to put your art out there, how it should sound as far as just the mixing of it, the quality of the sound.

It just, it's a complete project, man. This is, this is, this is what you expect from Beyonce. You don't expect anything less. Always expect greatness. You always expect her to, you know, just all the other artists look at her like, damn. You know what I mean? Like she did it again. Like it's nothing to, you don't have to like Beyonce,

but you have to respect her artistry and just the type of artist that she is. Like it's just what it is. You have to deal with it. It's not going to, she's not going away. She controls whatever she wants to do. She's going to look how she wants to sound the way she wants to sound. Move when she wants to move.

Accept it, love it, respect it, and appreciate it while we have it. When did Beyonce become an album artist? And how do you become an album artist? Because there's very few people that have, the luxury of just being an album artist. Well, explain what an album artist is. People are more focused on the full project and you have to do less of, if any, singles to get someone to listen to your album. Hmm. So you don't have to... For example, Cole put out an interlude like a week before his album. That's an album artist. Kendrick didn't put out anything. Even Drake,

rarely puts out a lot of singles. People are there for the full project. And I'm saying just for popularers, because there are more underground that have the luxury because they just have a cult fan base and can't just put the album out because everyone's sitting,

waiting for their every word. But getting to do that is really hard. Because for she was not an album artist. No. It definitely started with Beyonce, but that's what I'm saying. Let's actually. Does she force that honest, though?

Like, I don't mean force. I just mean, did she change the narrative on her own because she went from four where I don't know like what seven fucking singles she put out mad video like it was a very single based album

then you just do the no rollout drop everything surprise drop I mean that is enough of a bomb is that your way to to kind of ease people in but only Beyonce can do some shit like that especially in 2013 well that's what I'm asking you to clarify album artists because an artist not putting out a bunch of singles and just

dropping an album is very different from an artist who actually makes a cohesive album. Like, for example, I don't think that Scorpion was a cohesive album, but it was, it just dropped and it didn't have a whole lot of singles on it. Like, Scorpion didn't have that many singles, would have had two, right? I think they might have been post singles. I don't, yeah, I don't even think, yeah, I think they came out.

I know, was God's plan on Scorpon? Drake, Drake is good for doing the, uh, you guys might be too young mall. We'll remember the street record, which they would put out before the actual single. Drake will do a street record that will be the big. record in the world and then not put it on the album well drake just keeps a feature his lusies are are singles yeah and then they're not on the album for a lot of time three singles and he keeps a feature that's in heavy rotation that's you know he's on everybody he has a verse on all of the biggest records of the year almost well no nice for what was was was was a big single in my feelings

very big single uh in my feelings was post that that caught i don't think he knew that was gonna catch yo how the fuck did we start talking about drake that's because because he was a Because we were talking about album artists and Rory brought him up as an album artist. So I was asking Rory, is he actually an album artist? Does he make cohesive albums where if you listen to that, you have to listen to the album from beginning to end? Like, that's what I think. But that's not fair to put on an album artist.

Because I don't want to make an album like that. You have to find the balance of, yes, you can listen to this straight through without skips, but songs need to live by themselves as well. I think it's just bad. makes a great artist. I think it's bad to talk about double albums and cohesive. It's hard for a double album to be cohesive, man. That's just a lot of fucking music.

It is a lot of music. That's just a lot of music. But see, what makes it a double album? Because he told you it was a double album? I mean, 25 tracks. Chris Brown will release a whole, it'll be one album and it'll be 40 tracks. And he doesn't tell you it's a double album. It's just Chris Brown's album.

Well, that was adjustment to streaming. Yeah, that was different. Yeah. The Scorpion is two drastically different sounds on two different albums put together. And this is only, Renaissance is only 16. That shit goes by fast. It goes by really fast. And they aren't short songs either.

Nope. So this is the first installation of. Yeah, this is one of three. One of three. That's crazy. Well, she got this one right. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see what she does from here with the next two installations.

Do you guys think that the next two installations will be? of the same genre or do you think that she'll switch genres? I mean, I think the rumor is almost confirmed at this point, right? Yeah. It's R&B for the next one and then country for the third. Okay. I'm going to hear with that country album sounds like. We already know what a R&B, Beyonce album would sound like.

I don't know if that's... We know what R&B pop album sounds like from Beyonce that has R&B songs on it. But an R&B album, like... Beyonce doesn't have any all R&B albums. Yeah. No, but I mean, we know what it would sound like. Beyonce's R&B. Oh, no, of course, but a full, full album.

Like a whole album of Me, myself and I's and I cares. She's the biggest star of the planet, so it's pop, but she's an R&B singer. Like, she sings R&B. I would. I disagree heavily. She makes R&B music, but Beyonce is not an R&B artist. I don't think she wants to. She's not a pop artist.

She makes R&B music, but she's a, Beyonce makes pop music. And I don't mean like it's pop because she's popular. Beyonce makes pop music. Yeah, she, she makes all music. She's great to make country music. Yes. But Beyonce is rhythm and blues. There's nothing else to talk about.

I would say Lemonade was the closest thing to a Beyonce R&B album that we've gotten. Well, either way, it's just fun to see some artists like this when they're in this creative zone and, you know, three installations. And we got the first one. the first one is great. Everyone seems to love it. It seems some people not really feeling it. It is what it is. You can't please everybody.

So the R&B installation or the country installation is next. We don't know. We don't know which order is coming. But either way, listen, man, just got to appreciate this type of talent, this type of artistry. And hopefully find some inspiration through it. And whatever that you're creating and whatever that you're doing, try to create at a very high level. I'm trying to think with the exact definition.

of an album artist would be. I think we kind of know, but whereas these singles aren't the main focus of the rollout, the album is, and then you're creating a full body of work rather than a bunch of singles you put out to hype up whatever this release is going to be. Yeah, but I think album artists have to be the single chasers in the beginning before they can be respected as the, hey, we maybe don't even need to put out a single or put out one single announced the project and we're all just sitting waiting for the full project, not your next single. Because Beyonce, like we said, with four was very much mad singles.

It's a great album too, but she was still in that space where she had to put out a bunch of singles. We got to do the pre-rollout video shit. Now she's in a space where, Beyonce, just give us the album. And very rarely do artists get to that space. Like I got the Cole and Kendrick are there, but they had to do. swimming pools. They had to do the Miguel record. Drake had to do best I ever had. Artists definitely, that are already album artists still have to play that game. And I just can't think of very many album artists that we will stop everything for the full

project without having to hear a single or what's been going on in their life. What's your, what's your greatest album of all time? What genre? Any genre. Just to you, what is the greatest album? album of all time. For me, it's thriller. Okay. Michael Jackson, obviously, right. So, thriller, you look at the single, you know, you look at the video, video was a short movie. You knew that they were, they were betting it all on this album. This was the one that they felt like was going to change music. This was, this was the album that was going to solidify Michael Jackson

as the greatest entertainer in the world, the greatest artist in the world. To me, when you say album artist. It has to sound, the album has to be a complete, it's almost like a, almost like a score of a movie. It has to tell a story. It can't, like a lot of times these artists now, the albums that they make, it just sounds like a bunch of records that they just recorded and said, okay, this is my next album, but it's like there's no real story. There's no real, like, it's, what is the journey of this album? What is this album supposed to do for me when I listen to it. If it's just a bunch of records with some features on it from other artists. No good songs, but it's like what is the overall picture? Like, what am I getting from this album?

Can you do that, though, with having to play the single game? Because every artist has to at some point. It depends on who you are. To be a popular one. Because like, it depends on who you are. I'm looking at side two of thriller. And if you don't know, like, know the album, just beat it to Billy Jean, human nature to P.Y.T. Those four in a row. One could make a case, like, those are four singles that are by themselves. And this is a very much single driven album. But then if you know Thriller, you're like, oh, Thriller's a complete album. So I guess maybe we're just saying that what makes an amazing artist is that they can do the singles, but those singles become the full project, I guess. I'm trying to

word correctly. Because again, let's use for Beyonce as an example. Let me pull up that track list because it's a track list of a bunch of singles, but I would say it's a pretty complete album. One plus one, I care, I miss you, best thing I never had.

Party, Rather Die Young, start over, love on top, countdown, end of time, run the world. But with both those... There's eight singles in there. Both those albums that you just mentioned, both mics and Beyonce. even if they didn't choose to put those songs out as singles, they fit in the flow of the album.

Exactly. Well, that's what I'm saying. That separates, I guess. The album is a complete, it's a whole thing. It's not just, oh, I recorded this song. Let me put that on my next album. It goes. It's a chapter in the story.

It's like, okay, this is this chapter now. This chapter. Like, it has to, it's a vibe. Like, you just know when certain artists completely stopped everything that they were doing and, like, life just became this project. And also they created the album and then picked the singles because I think creating the album as a full as a project. You don't even think of the single. Yeah. And then going out and picking and say, okay, this one will hit and this one will hit instead of going into the studio and saying, I need a single and then let's find somewhere to throw this in on the album.

That's what I think is a difference between Four and Beyonce. Granted, Four ended up being a extremely great full album. But it definitely feels like they walked in and said, all right, girls run the world. this is single. Let's figure out the choreography. That became a thing. They knew what that was going to do. Whereas Beyonce, obviously, she dropped it all at one point

and a visual with every record. Nothing on there felt like we had to have a staff meeting about what the first single single is going to be, second single like. But again, chicken and egg dairy, how do you get to that space where you're allowed the, I don't know what the exact word would be, the luxury of,

becoming an album artist because there could be great, great artists that already have the talent to make a full, complete body of work, but nobody will care. You have to bring the attention with playing the single game in the beginning. So is there any artists that have came out the gate from album one to five that have not been on any type of single time? Because Cole, we know now is the most album artist you could ever think of in hip hop currently, maybe Kendrick. But But Cole, if you remember his first career, he was chasing every fucking single you could find. He was striking out. He was getting number ones.

It was a single game for Cole. He was doing features. He was grabbing Miguel on every shit. Cole brought Bernice to Westforth. He was trying everything. Cole had a song with Jay called Mr. Nice Watch. I don't think Cole Wiz watches anymore. Like, look where his life went.

He don't even look like the same person from his first. I love Mr. Nice Watch. That song is really bad. and I don't want to do. Are you serious? Mr. Nice Watch is one of the worst records ever. Ever? No, I can't let you get that off.

You can't just say ever. Listen, I don't love it either. I don't like the record like that. But just the fact that J. Cole has a song called Mr. Nice Watch. And now you look at Jay Cole today and it's like, well, you know, he never really wanted to make that type of music. This isn't going on a tangent.

I think Mr. Nice Watch and this first Cole project was the shift. You know how we talk about 50 versus Kanye was a shift from like the street shit to the nerd shit as far as rap? Yeah. This was for labels, the shift in you old fucks do not understand what's going on.

Because they was putting Cole in with every last hit producer you could think of. Who was the other guys that was with Stargate, Star? It was putting him with everyone that didn't work. And Colin E was like, bro, can we just make our music? We know our fan base. I've been on tour for two years straight.

I know what my fan base wants. I know what the internet is saying what they want. I literally talk with my fans. And they was like, nah, dude, we need that single. And then that's how you get a Mr. Nice Watch. That's Jay being out of touch. I know we're not allowed to say things. I think Cole's career woke Jay up as far as inexact in how times were shifting.

Because you see what he did with Drake afterwards. They did more of like a B-side cooler record that we knew the internet would love. Instead of trying to do the single chasy shit with your JZ verse. Yeah. Because this Mr. What? Come on, bro. This song is bad. But this, to me...

And I don't blame Cole. I blame Jay for this. I think at some point this actually helped Cole and Hove's relationship. Because I think Jay did a great job of stepping out of Cole's way. He let Cole be cold. Move on your own time. Right. But I think after this, right, this album...

Oh, for sure. After this album. I think this was like, you know what? You got to let him be who he is. You can't try to mold him into something else. I think it was the transition for not just... Columbia Rock at that time for all majors that, oh, the traditional way of putting out music with these new kids, I mean, obviously they're grown in now, but Cole, Sean, Kendrick,

all of them was kids at the time with these new kids is not the traditional way of building a fan base or putting music out. We don't need to single chase anymore. Right. I think this started it. And then with streaming, I feel like we went back to the single chasing. I feel like we got away from it after Cole's first album. And yes, of course you had to have a single. I'm not saying that. But radio became less relevant. There was ways on the internet just to create a fan base to go out and tour, meet your fans, put out a project, and you'd be all right.

Then Beyonce put out that shit in 2013. And a lot of artists thought they were Beyonce and realized quickly that maybe I do need to put... You're not Beyonce. Maybe I need to announce something. Yeah. But it did kind of solidify that things have changed drastically with how we do music rollouts. I feel streaming. put us back into a big single game.

So many artists we see... You got to do something to get the streams up. You got to do something to let the people know you're working, you're recording, something is happening. Look at Atlantic's roster. Half of them even putting out an album would be dumb because there's so much just put out the record

on their Spotify profile with their monthly listeners. If you see what their single stream and then what their album stream, it's like, wait, are these the same artists? Right. because not only that the shows oh of course fuck it will have six billion fucking streams and can't even sell

at SOBs right so that's right now know what you mean though yeah you think I'm exaggerate no I know what you mean I know exactly what you mean um so I feel like we have actually backtracked and I guess that's why I wanted to have the single verse album artist conversation because it has gone back to a lot of single chasy things where playlists have now become the new radio and getting placements on certain shit. You've got to do the single stuff because you have to get in the algorithms. The only way to get in the algorithms is through singles. Yeah.

So it's just in a, I don't know, it's in a fucked up place for, it's different for every single artist. So we landed on, I guess, you know, the comparisons are, you know, everybody on the internet seems to be wanting to compare, you know, who's the greatest entertainer of all time? Who's the greatest artist of all time? You know, you've got the beehive saying, Beyonce, you know, it's not even close. She's the greatest entertainer ever, you know, and you can understand why the beehive would feel like that. And then you have others that are of age that remember, remember the time. What was Michael's hive called, Earth? I mean, you know, it's, listen, it's, I'm one of the huge, I'm one of the biggest Michael Jackson fans.

Beyonce I don't think it's fair to compare her in Michael Jackson I understand Michael Jackson is the bar that every artist shoots for every artist aims at every artist is inspired by at some point or another

but I think it's unfair you can't compare Beyonce and because you just can't man it was a different time if Michael Jackson has social media like are you kidding me we're comparing their career though, not their talent.

Okay, but I think they're a fair comparison. To begin with. Goes hand in hand. No. Started out early in their careers, very young. Groups went to solo acts. They are both true actual vocalists that could really fucking sing.

They are true fucking dancers, choreography, everything. They sell out fucking stadiums. They're entertainers. At the highest level. They are true musicians. I think it's one of the most fair comparisons to have in a debate.

They literally mirror each other in so many categories. Well, you could say who would be better in each category, but they both check off boxes and categories where I don't think you could find two other artists

that do the same thing. That check each box. Absolutely. But there's other boxes, though. There's, you know, Michael Jackson, obviously Beyonce is inspired by Mike. She's on the record saying it,

you know, we don't even have to talk about that. That's why they marry each other so much is because Beyonce picked out Michael and chose to mirror him. Right. That's what she wanted. You can mirror.

You can mirror. I could, I tried to mirror Michael Jordan. Guess what? Jump jumper wasn't. Coal as I got was the sneakers. That was it. You know what I mean? Like, it just wasn't, you know.

But I just think that you have to let Beyonce, just let her stand on her own. Like don't, it's not, you know what I mean? Like, I don't, I try not to get caught up in comparison. Because it's just Michael Jackson, you know, I don't know if I, I've, I've never seen video of people feinting for Beyonce. maybe it's out there. I don't know.

Michael Jackson had people feigning at shows. Like, it's just different. Like, you got the military behind you. You can go to these different countries, like, escorting you. It's just a different thing, man. Michael was, you know, he was larger than life. He was, you know, it was almost like that he's not even real. And I know, and that was, to me, that's one of Michael's biggest attributes was his

mysteriousness, his mystique, his aura, his, his ability to, to make you feel like he's not a real person. You don't see him. He's not accessible. You're not going to just bump in the Mike in a club somewhere or at a restaurant. You're not going to see him. Like, that just didn't happen. Well, all right, that's where I would say the sliders on certain things. So yes, as one of the boxes, Mike did have far more popular impact on the entire world than Beyonce did. But also, to your point of different eras, I always go back to my favorite Drake line. I don't know how they survive in this era. Do we know how Michael would have fared having to be on social, you media the way Beyonce has been able to keep mystique and stay relevant with social media,

because that's a fucking skill in itself. Who else can do that? Who could be this active on socials? If Mike posts on Instagram, that shit would break. Of course. If he went live on Instagram, that's- I'm saying if they were the same age, let's say Michael Jackson, rest in peace, would be 40 years old today, the way Beyonce has started career in 1998.

So Mike at 40? Is that what you're saying? I'm just saying, we don't know how he would have had to. to adjust, knowing the way he spoke about just not fucking with people and hates this shit, how he would have

maybe not remained as fucking relevant because he was so scared of the public. Beyonce has found a way that I don't think any other artist period has felt accessible and so inaccessible at the same time. Because we, when you go to her tours, all those wedding and baby photos

and like the shit they do is the greatest shit ever because she keeps herself so away from us and then so much on top of it when it's time to put music out. We feel like we know her and then she also can be this mystique

or like what's Beyonce doing? I don't know any other artist that does that as well. She has a very active Instagram. Like Beyonce, and again, you can say it's a team, all that, whatever. It still takes from Beyonce at the end of the day. Absolutely.

Also, it's all ifs and hypothetical. I just don't know how Michael would have handled that. I mean, granted, we know he went through a lot of public scrutiny But we can also say Mike didn't fuck with people You can also say

Would Beyonce be as big as she is Worldwide if it wasn't for the internet If she lived in Michael's era Would she be able to keep that Beyonce was going to be Beyonce was going to be As big as she is Regardless of the era to me

Well I'm saying if Beyonce started her career in 1970 and was the same age as Mike I don't know just because of the times For a black woman as a pop artist There might have just been a ceiling Regardless So I think that's unfair to say Beyonce in the same time as Mike. I mean, Diana Ross.

Not exactly. Because Janet was huge too. Janet. She was popping. She was a pop artist. Janet was huge. I mean. And I think Janet would have done better in the Beyonce era than her era.

I agree on that. I agree on that. I say that again? I think if we went, it was it 98 to 2022, the Beyonce era right now. I think Janet Jackson would have fared better in that era than her. her actual era. Wait, Janet is a fucking icon. What are you talking about?

Of course she is. But he's saying she would have been an even bigger. A bigger icon. How much bigger you want her to be? You want her to be Mike? Close. Close to it. It's not what we want for her.

Do you think Janet, who is bigger? Who is bigger? Obviously, Beyonce is bigger. And I'm saying Janet could have gotten to that level in the Beyonce era. Let's say Beyonce is not here. In the Beyonce era, though, Janet Jackson could have very well been that. because it was a different, more progressive time for a black woman to be a superstar.

When Janet was, the shit that Beyonce wears now, when Janet used to wear it was deemed risque. Like it was, that's where she got the sex symbol title from as far as her and Madonna, because what they were doing back then was risky. Megan do that shit on live every five seconds now. And it put a ceiling on how big Janet really could have got

because the risky stuff they tried to put a lid on. Yes. Like if Beyonce's titty popped out at the Super Bowl in her performance right now, nobody would care. Like, people would care, but they wouldn't have cared as much as they did in 2002 before YouTube was created. And that was way at the latter part of Janet's career, too. That was more of a nostalgic performance than it was a, I'm actively putting out

music performance. Yeah. I don't know. I just don't like the caption. Janet could have been bigger in Beyonce's era because Janet was huge, like in her of course. Doesn't mean, like hands and hand to Beyonce? I mean, I just, in all honesty, I think that.

you know, the fact that her brother is the biggest star ever on the planet it's almost like damn, like they're comparing her to her brother. Well, Mike is your brother. You're supposed to be just as big as him and it's like nobody's going to be as big as Mike.

You know what I mean? So it's kind of like but in her, in her regard and her and respect to her, she's still an icon. But look at us. We're comparing Beyonce to Mike right now as far as like... Because she's the biggest of her generation. She's the biggest of, you know, her time. Like, so you have to compare the biggest of their times to each other.

I get it. I just don't like to do it. I like for people to kind of just, especially when you're talking Beyonce and Mike. It's just to me. But either way, Beyonce is the greatest entertainer of her time. I don't even think it's close. But we're not talking about if she's the greatest entertainer of her time.

We're talking about if she's the greatest entertainer of all time. Or the most successful. Honestly, the conversation. I'm not ready to put her above Mike. Let's round back to, I agree with you. But let's round back to the original conversation. right because I feel like the original conversation is a little bit more a little easier to actually debate the question was who had a better second half of their career that's what we asked last

time and I'm glad we got on that that tangent though because that was good conversation it was but that that can be compared okay so who had a better second half right so where we started the second half from well they both were in groups as kids so I'm counting Jackson five and destiny child time is that fair that's fair I think that's fair so I wrote down Beyonce his first album, which would have been Destiny's Child, was 1998. Michaels with Jackson 5 was 1969. Michael's last album solo, 2001. Beyonce's last album, obviously, 2022.

So that puts Mike, second half of his career, was 32 divided by two. 16? Yes. 1985 would be the middle of Michael Jackson's career. So right after the thriller, right before bad. The middle of Beyonce is now. would be 2010. Hold on.

Yeah, 2010. So basically the four album. Four and on. So, okay, so four, Beyonce, Lemonade, Homecoming, the Lion King, and now Renaissance. Is it fair to put Rennaissance in it just came out three days ago?

We can't really count that, can we? Yes, we can't. Yes, we can't. It's a pretty fucking crazy lineup. It's a crazy lineup. It's a crazy lineup. Great lineup. Why not?

We said, what, 85? So that puts the bad album, which is crazy. Dangerous and invincible. Again, I don't know if this, is this a fair? You're not beating those three hours. Niggas can't fuck with Mike. But see, this is what I'm saying. That's why it's not fair.

You got to leave Michael Jackson alone. Are we talking about talent or are we talking about who had a better career? Listen, whatever you're talking about, let the ghost of Michael Jackson sleep, though. Are we talking about who had a dangerous? Listen, I'm a Michael Jackson stand. I'm with, I don't think anybody can compare to Mike. But what we're asking is who had a better half of their career?

Second half. Let's not act like second better. Yeah, better second half. Because the first half is not up for debate. Not at all. Let's not pretend. I'm trying to do the sliders. Because we know Michael's first half his career.

No one's touching that shit. But let's not talk. Are we just talking about albums? Because Michael did not have a good half of his second half of his career. I know. That's why I'm just trying to be. We just said it's trying to be an asshole and just trying to help Beyonce. We just said the second half of his career was the bad album.

I'm not talking about his albums. Your career is not just the albums that you put out. Plenty of people put out amazing albums. What are you talking about? Yeah, we're going off. We're going off albums or shit? Oh, you're just talking about albums. Oh, you're just talking about like Scan.

That's shit. Like, Schen, y'all isn't even try to debate that if we just talk about albums. Oh, yeah. That type of shit. I don't. Listen, the feds didn't find out. I'm talking about touring. I'm talking about touring.

I'm talking about public perception. I'm talking about everything. If you're going to say the question who had the better second half of their career. If you're just talking about this. Oh, yeah, but we know. Listen, man, we know what they try to do to Mike. We know what they try to do. Like, we, listen, we got enough information now. The feds raid your property twice. Don't find nothing. That means it is nothing near for them to hide. Like, it is what it is. Like, Mike is the greatest

entertainer, the greatest artist to ever, to ever live. Like, it is. Listen, man, of course we know bad is the bad album. You said what? Of course we know that. What is you? But if you're doing the other, like, I fuck with dangerous. Don't get it wrong. Is it bad as the bad album? We know it's the bad album. Like it's fucking nothing's going to be bad. I'm going with the other two. Dangerous. I can make a case. No, you can't. What's the case? For Beyonce Lemonade, Homecoming, because now you get all the hits too.

Y'all love Beyonce. Lion King and Renaissance. We're not doing it. So you're just saying the bad album beats all of that. Yes, I'll say it. Bad word seven of those albums. What could you talk about, man? This is, that's what I'm saying. It's not. That's what I'm saying. It's not. not fair because then it starts to sound like we're not giving Beyonce respect. We are. And that's why I don't like doing shit like this because of course. Before we got our mic, you said

that Beyonce wins. No, but once you start telling me what we were counting, once you gave me what we were doing, now I understand. Like, no, like, not at all. Which album you said that Michael's that was trash, calling you out? I didn't really like the, what's that last album right there?

Invincible. Or Escape. Escape doesn't count. That is like, he wasn't even a lot. This is like post-humors. I think, Like, what? It wasn't even a lot. I don't think Michael counts. I think this is also a post you. So Invincible was the last one.

Yes. Which was kind of, I was going to say. Invincible was. It was all right. Coming off a bad and dangerous, like it's, it wasn't up to bad. This compared to the other two albums? Y'all got up. But Butterfly, I mean, it got some.

No, Butterfly's the joint. You rock my world was a joint? It was some shit on there. We're not going to, I got it was some joints on there. But in comparison to bad and dangerous. That's like nothing. I'm just saying all. I feel like everything from four on beats Invincible.

Obviously bad beats everything. So now you've got to debate Dangerous verse two or three Beyonce. I was in there. I can make a fucking case. That's all I'm saying. Please click on Dangerous, please, so we can remind Rory. I know what's on Dangerous. Dangerous is amazing.

Jam. That's it. Okay. Thank you. That's it. Jam. Remember the time. The first song, please heal the world.

Please stop. Black or white. Please, why are you talking to me, bro? You put up a good fight, Roy. I ain't going to lie. You, you. You, you. Go ahead.

You put up a good fight, man. You tried. You tried really hard. That's why I'm just not. Hey, fuck y'all. Love on top. Great record. This is a great record.

Very record. Beyonce will be like, she brought the beat in. It's just, yeah, it's just time that we just stop doing this and stop trying to. I know that's just human nature. Look, Michael Jackson again. Yeah, right. It's human nature to just compare the degeneration in the era and the artists and, you know,

because Mike is the bar. That's who everybody's aiming for. But it's just leave Michael Jackson alone. You know what I think I did want to bring this up during the Beyonce thing? I wanted to highlight, and I don't know why I had to bring Michael into it, but just for content purposes. I wanted to highlight that I think it's amazing that Beyonce being the superstar icon that she is. I think her dysography is getting better with her age where we usually see artists. That I agree.

Their discography starts to go down. I think she's in the best fighting shape she's ever been in. I think that's what makes her incredible and while we even have this type of debate. That's what I was trying to do with the second half career. It seems like she's getting better. And I think that's because she isn't, Beyonce isn't getting into her 40s like a lot of artists do and try to start catching one and trying to start being the kid.

She continues to create and be creative and try different things and also know herself, know her limits, know what her voice sounds good on, know what her audience wants at the same time. Like you know what I'm saying? Like it's just she's very self-aware. And I think her team is also very self-aware. She's, it's not just self-aware. She's in full control.

at this point. And I think that's the most important thing. When you're in full control and you're a creative genius and now you have the tools and you have the access to bring your creativity to life, I think this is when you get the true artist and you get, you know, you separate, you just separate the artists from each other. It's like, okay, yeah, they're doing that. They're doing that.

Those are cool. Those are cool. But this is something totally different. and Beyonce is something that just stands in a category by itself. Better actor? Michael or Beyonce. Oh, okay. You know what?

Did you believe him as the werewolf? No. I didn't for one second in Thriller. I was not scared. Beyonce gets a bad rep for being a bad actress too, but I don't think that that's true. I think she, she's not bad. That's because people just can't stand to see somebody that's so big in music, do something different.

And it's like no matter what her role is like, that's Beyonce. They said Janet can't act either. The only person I've actually not seen get that backlash that much is Bow Wow. I think people actually like Bow Wow. People like Bow Wow more as an act. I have no where you were going with that, but landing on Bow Wow. No, we're talking about artists. It was like Beyonce, Janet, and then it's like Shad.

What? Those are my big three. Listen, Bow Wow. He's a good actor. Legend. But I was not expecting his name to be thrown on the fucking folks. But at this point we're talking about people who are in music, no matter how big they are in music,

going into the acting world. People like Bow Wow more as an actor. Bow Wow. Out-acted Beyonce and Carmen hip-hop opera, I felt like. Oh, my fucking God. And then did her sister the same as Johnson Family Vacation? Damn. Nah, Salon Chowley down.

Yo, Fabio said he signed the Mace for five stacks, right? No, I love Fabi. I fuck with Bobby, man. All jokes aside, Fabio Forin had an interview on million dollars worth of game. Shout out to Gillian Wallo. I'm saying that he signed to Mace for $5,000. Mace then doubled back, double up, haul him.

He did an episode of a million dollars worth of a game, and he broke it down and said that Fabio, in fact, got $750,000. I don't know if Favvy's math was wrong. I don't know how he missed that many zeros, maybe. but it just seems like a classic case of a kid not knowing the business music business and feeling like he may have been taking advantage of Mace being somebody who alleges and feels like he was taking advantage of at bad boy I was hoping that that wasn't the case that I was like damn Mace like I've been on my platform saying that you know I wish Mace and Puff can, you know, square that away and, you know, move forward because Mace was such an

intricate part of the bad boy legacy and, you know, all these things. So now to hear Favio say that Mace signed him for $5,000. It was hurtful. I was like, damn. I wanted to know what that meant. What Favio just said, I signed to Mace for five calves. Like, what does that mean? You signed what in return for five grand? I didn't see the, I didn't see the episode yet. I am going to, I am going to check it out. Well, Mace, because I need to hear Mace. break down exactly, you know, I need, I need him to get into, I mean, what we have here. Yeah, the clips were circulating and I watched him, the longer version. I didn't get a chance to watch the entire episode, but I watched the longer version of this specific topic.

He said at one time I gave him $5,000, but I gave him $750,000. Because I sent him up to do a deal to where I can control the deal, make the deal, what it should be, because I knew if he had the leverage, he would go in there and sell both of us out. Okay, what Mesa is saying there is there was offers on the table for Fabio. It appears that Mace would have been the production house, more or less, which a lot of artists sign, they sign a production, and then the production goes in there and does a joint venture deal.

For example, artists would sign to Rough Riders, and Ruff Riders would go do a deal with Universal. He's saying that if Favio went in there, he would have no leverage to do a deal with the label and would end up getting fucked. So he said, sign with me. I'll go in there because I have leverage with the label and we'll get a better deal out of it.

It's what Mesa is saying, more or less. Then we went in the building. I took 800 and he took 700. The reason why I went down to 700, I'm talking about 700,000, is because when I gave him 750 and I took 750, he owed me 50. Mace claims he put $50,000 towards Favio's career before he signed the deal to Columbia Records.

So, yeah, I didn't watch it yet. But I'm going to watch it because I did want some clarification on that. I did want to make sure that, you know, Fabio wasn't in a fucked up situation with Mace. Just because of the shit that Mace went through in the industry, I was just hoping that he wouldn't be putting another young, you know, just not knowing about the business artists through the same situation that he went through when he was a young artist. I was just hoping that this wasn't a case of the cycle just repeating itself. So I am going to check out this interview just because I do want to know more about it.

And it's always good to see, you know, cats like Mace sitting on platforms and talking anyway. Yeah, I'm just curious what the deal was about. If they're going to talk about this publicly with everything, that's what I was more curious about. I wasn't curious before. But now that they're going back and forth, there's just so there's so much that's left out in what they're saying that it's not even fair to make. an assumption of what it is or what that five, Mace just only have five grand in his pocket at the time. It was like, yo, do you sign?

Hold this for a second. We'll take it out of the budget. Right. I don't know what any of that was. I don't know what the deal with Columbia is. I don't know what the eight that Mace got was for or what the $7.50 was for. An album budget was what was the advance out of it? Like I said, it's just too much shit.

Yeah, it's more to it. Like I said, I don't know if Mace breaks all of that down. I don't know if he's on a million dollars worth of a game breaking down the entire contract. but I was just hoping that. I didn't see that. Bobby wasn't signed for $5,000. That's all I was hoping. And Mace may be lying.

I don't know. We got to wait to see what Fabio says in response to Mace saying what he said. We don't know. I just hope that Mace isn't taking advantage of a young artist. Well, Mace got on Gillian Walo instead. I'm Diddy 2.0. That was a joke. He was just joking.

And they put that out before, which was great, obviously, social media marketing. But in context, they put that out before Mace. said, or pardon, the actual interview came out. Yeah. So it did look fucking nuts. You saw a five, he's saying, you know, he signed me for five grand and then Mace, yo. Did he be two point? Yeah, that was.

I knew what that was, though. I knew what that was. More Philly news. You're going to have to start calling me Mal Stradamus soon. I'm sorry. I told y'all that I asked y'all, wouldn't is Will Smith and Chris Rock going to sit down when they're going to have to talk? What about Mal Stradomas?

No. No. And as soon as we got, home the other night from recording will smith put out a video uh guess was this is his apology well you knew because you were holding the camera to gross to create you know recording a man's apology video is crazy like you're not talking to the talk right here look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me why you apologize to him oh no i've seen i've seen those videos in different circumstances oh yeah uh so yeah remember when jim jones i would love

down on dude and said, do you think what you said was conducive to you walking around the city? Classic. Great. Look in the camera and apologize. That was classic. So yeah, Will Smith issued an apology to Chris Rock. If Ed didn't could scroll up so I can read the top of something. I'm sorry.

I'm reading. Okay, cool. Will Smith has broken his silence and openly apologized to Chris Rock, posting an emotional video Friday in which he goes through a series of questions addressing his slap of of Rock. His slap of Rock. I like that. His slap of Rock on the Oscar stage just minutes before he would win the best actor Oscar. Smith said that he reached out to Rock but received a message in return that Rock will reach out when he's ready to talk.

I don't think Chris is going to talk to him in public. I think that's going to be a private call. I think they'll talk privately first, but they're going to sit down publicly for sure. I don't think that would be the first time that they speak, but they're going to sit down on camera for sure. He also said that it had nothing to do with Chris and Jada's prior back and forth that it was from his own personal shit. Which Chris, he said it was from his own personal. They said, is it because of Jada?

He said, no, me and Chris have a history. Yeah, so like I said, it's some things that's probably behind scenes. I've seen a lot of videos when it all happened and they were saying that, you know, Chris Rock had in a bunch of stand-ups, throwing shots at them and this, that and the third. But my thing is, this is Chris Rock. He's one of the greatest communities ever. Got to take all of these jokes. It is what it is.

But Will Smith obviously knows that that was crazy what he did that night. And this, I guess, is his turning point of him extending the olive ranch, trying to put this behind him. So, yeah, like you said, on Chris Rock's time, I'm sure Chris Rock could talk to him eventually. But right now, I think he's still on tour with Kevin Hart. You got shit going on. I know, I think he has a solo stand-up that he's doing, that he's going to shoot. So, I don't know. I don't know when they'll sit down.

I do believe that they will. and I would love to see it because I'm pretty sure that they're going to talk about a lot of shit that's going to make things clear like oh okay now we understand why he got his jaw tapped You think they'll still talk despite his response? Chris Rock's response? Yeah.

What was his response? Is this it? Yeah, everybody's trying to be a fucking victim. If everybody claims to be a victim then nobody will hear the real victims. Even me getting smacked by Shug Smith I went to work the next day. I got kids.

Yeah, so Listen, Chris Rock was embarrassed in front of the world. And it's hard to, as a man to be embarrassed like that. And then, you know, people feel like, oh, you should just accept his apology. You should, it's like, no, when I'm ready to. You know what I mean? Like, when he's ready to and, and Will Smith understands that. Either way, Will Smith was wrong, he knows that he accepted it.

He moved on. And Chris Rock isn't, Chris Rock isn't wrong for not wanting to talk to him at all. Not at all. Not at all. This has to be on your time. This has to be when you're, you. you're ready to talk. But the fact that Will even has to come out and apologize to the world is insane to me. Well, he had, well.

You know why, right? No one thinks this has anything to do with the $30 million he just signed and the emancipation movies being pushed back because of all this. This has nothing to do with Chris Rock. It's time for an image change. Yeah. I have a movie that was delayed because of my actions. They gave me $30 million.

Yes, I have to do a fucking video. It looks like this really nice guy. This is PR shit. Well, yeah, of course. but it's just fucked up because he has to talk about it publicly because what he did was public he's had a squeaky clean career this isn't a career fucking criminal who has always been in the media for some scandalous shit he's had a squeaky clean career he made one mistake and they've made him out to be will smith well will smith the one who did not curse in his raps or anything like

parents just don't understand will smith they have made him out to be the biggest scariest black man of all time it's not that he just yes They have. His colleagues, when all those people were coming out saying, I was scared for my life and this is abominable. He could have killed Chris. They all did that shit. Who said that?

Those are people that just never had the shit slapped out of him. Nobody was going to die. So many of his colleagues. Well, he had to come out publicly and apologize because what he did was public. So he had to do that publicly. I do agree with Rory. I do think that this is PR where he has to clean up the mess that he created. He has to try to put it behind him.

It's a lot of money at stake. Even though Will Smith has a lot of money, I mean, it's still a lot of money to make and a lot of money that he has lined up. And I thought was a bitch move. And I don't know if this is the way they're trying to angle it, but it is kind of how it could be perceived.

Don't ask me, I'm ready to talk on some public platform when you know I'm on a world tour. I'm not at home chilling. You know I'm doing shit. And now if I don't respond, now I could be perceived as like the immature one. Like, oh, Chris Rock, Will Smith did this heartfelt apology.

And now Chris Rock is just saying he'll talk to you whatever. He's on a world tour. Leave me alone. I'm working. No, that's the fact. But Will Smith did reach out public, I mean, privately. He's been on tour. Right.

But what I'm saying is this was, he had to do this because his actions were public. It was on the Oscar stage. Yeah, he's not even apologizing to Chris. He's reached out. He's reached out. But he's been on tour since that incident. Like, he went on tour the next week. He's just letting the public know, like, yo, you know, I reached out.

I haven't replied to Les for spot dates we've done in L.A. Like, he's on a world tour. That's a 20-minute conversation on the phone. He has 20 minutes to talk on the phone. That's going to be longer than 20 minutes. You slap me on the Oscar stage. We're going to have to talk more than 20 minutes, my nigga. And I need my father.

Yeah, yeah, like because we're, yeah, we lining it up. We're catching his fate. All of that is happening. And then after that, maybe we could be cool again. But we definitely talk to more than 20 minutes. To be fair, Will never said, like, oh, he just, Like he's not mad that he doesn't want to talk to him. Will Sting is more like, okay, I'm apologizing to your mother.

I'm apologizing to your brother who I was cool with, which I understand because when you're friends with somebody and you slap the shit out of their sibling, it's like I've had that happen to me before. Yeah, but if I slap a nigga in private. But if I slap a nigga, I'm not apologizing to your mama. I'm sorry. If I slap somebody in private, I'm not going on IG apologizing to their moms. He had, Will Smith had to do that because he slapped Chris Rock on one of the biggest

stages in Hollywood. I just don't like with this press release they put out that Will had reached out and Chris said no. I thought that was just a bitch move because he's on tour. Well, the number one question people ask the moment this popped up because the moment he started talking, the first thing I said was, what the fuck you mean, call his phone with this? And then he came out and said the reason why is because, well, I did come to his phone with this. He said he didn't want to talk because the moment he starts apologizing. And the first thing everybody's going to say is why didn't you call his phone and say this?

Why are you telling us? And I think that's still not fair because I'm on a world tour. I just like the fact that, you know, a celebrity's biggest, Will Smith is still like cognizant in line with like marketing it. How they got the Just Water sitting right there. Oh, for sure. You know those hats went crazy. Jayden's water, yeah.

Like, you know, everything is like, don't think that everything behind him is just by circumstance. No, no, no. This is a complete business. Yeah, this was this was. And you know what was crazy? I don't even think that. I think that Will is really hard on himself because he did it publicly. And Will is a people pleaser.

He said that for a long time is that he's a people pleaser. He doesn't like when, when. he disappoints like his fans or anybody. He doesn't like disappointing people. But I don't think that Will's that sorry. I think Will's sorry of where he did it. But I don't think that Will is sorry that he did it. And I think.

No, I'm going to go the other way. I think Will Smith he regrets. I think he's sorry that he did that. Because where he did it. For his own personal reasons, though, not for Chris. Yeah. No, not. But I think a little bit of both.

I think it's for his own career. For sure. But it's Chris Rock, though. Like, you slap Chris Rock. You know how corny that is? I agree. It's Chris Rock. Like, so I know he realized he fucked up.

He slipped up like, damn, that was stupid. I shouldn't have did that. I do believe that Will Smith is truly sorry about that. Because, again, this is Chris Rock. This is somebody who he has a history with. He even said him and Tony Rock, Chris's brother, they were real cool, real close. So, no, Chris Rock isn't a stranger. Chris Rock and Will Smith know each other.

They've known each other for years. They've acted together. So, I mean. You see how Jada was like, don't bring me up in that shit. Make sure you tell them, niggas, that I ain't tell you to do that stupid shit. Yeah. But I don't even understand why people. felt like she did anyway.

That was stupid. Yeah, like that was stupid. But either way, I can't wait for these two to sit down and really like bury this shit and put it behind them. At the red table. Not at the red table. God, no. Please don't do it at the red table.

But they should definitely sit down and soon whenever Chris Rock is ready and done doing what he's doing and put this shit behind us. I don't think Chris has ever going to sit with him. I really don't. It's going to happen. They got Drake, man. They did there. They got Drake.

Mm-hmm. One of you star chases gave it to them Did they? All the star chases was in Toronto Star chases were definitely in Toronto All of y'all was in Toronto this past weekend You used that carabana Soca, soca, you know, whining down the road

And then y'all went to the boys' crib And somebody coughed, god damn it Or sneezed Or sneezed. One of y'all got them So now they fucked up the whole Or fucked. I mean I want them tickets cost too much Wait, you think it just didn't sell out, and that's why?

See, you see what I'm saying? I don't think for the reunion. Take the conspiracy scarf off of you. Because whenever you wear the scarf, you start going crazy. That's what I think I'm saying that that's what some people are saying. Because of the ticket sales that everybody was beefing about. All of the, the, the reunion, I feel like that was the one people would buy tickets for them. That would sell itself.

Mickey, Drake, and Wayne is going to sell itself. Are they sold out? I'm pretty sure they were. At the other event What was it? The Northern Stars. That looked that.

That was at a different venue though, right? Yeah, but that should look like it was sold out. That shit looked packed out. So I'm only a, listen, I don't, I think that if Drake is saying he has COVID, I'm not, listen, I'm not mad at the thought of people thinking that Drake can't sell tickets. I think it's just funny when people think shit like that.

It's not about Drake can't. We all know Drake can sell tickets. Yeah, so Drake, Wayne and Nikki together for the first time in how long? I think that that sells out. That's just a guess. I could be wrong. I don't be outside like that. I don't know what y'all listening to.

Somebody told me that they like the NIMS record now more in the club than they do like Rowdy Rebel's computers. I thought that that was crazy. What's the NIMS record? I'm old. Bing Bong, whatever the NIMS record is. Probably. Yeah, I'm sorry. Drake, Wayne, and Nikki are selling 16,000 tickets.

Yeah. We don't even have to talk about that. I mean, it is what it is. I really think that, you know, one of those star chases got to him and, you know. I wasn't thinking immediately tickets, and if we were going to go down the conspiracy thing. I don't know if it was an internal young money thing. That's where my brain went if it wasn't just strictly COVID, which probably could just be COVID. Yeah. But we like to do conspiracy shit, and this is a podcast.

Internal bullshit is what I can see. They've definitely, the three of them have had their ups and downs individually with each other. But I feel like they were good now, though. No? They got the C and Green record. Phenomenal record. Yeah. I figured that was to let people know that, hey, we are good now. We've talked.

You know, Drake and Wayne have still said, yo, anybody be from Nikki. It's on. It's on. You know, they let them know they're still riding for Nick and nobody can't come at her. So, you know, I thought that that means that, yo, listen, everything is good. But, again, this is a podcast. Conspiracy theories. Okay, cool.

Let's do it. I just feel like these three have publicly shown us that they all. separately take things very personally. Nikki takes things personally. Drake takes things purposely and Wayne in his own way takes things purposely. Not the same way Drake and Nicky do, but we've seen Wayne just take

shit personally and be like, oh, fuck that. I can see one tiny thing causing a rift between the three of them. Especially if seeing Green was more of a business move and they hadn't really settled shit, but it's in a place where we could at least

do this record and figure it out from there. Where is Wayne's legal shit at as far as crossing the border? I'm pretty sure Drake could have pulled some strings to get him across. I mean, we just having conspiracies. Maybe Wayne couldn't cross. For whatever reason, I don't know. I think Wayne is good. I don't think he has any restrictions on travel or anything like that.

But again, that Canadian border. But Drake got too much pull. He can get Wayne into Canada with no problem. I mean, have we seen, I know seeing Green happen. after, but do we know where Nikki was with the whole Drake and Meek being fucking best friends again thing? I mean, I don't think

Nikki is tripping off with Drake and Meek being cool. I don't think she... Yeah, she wouldn't have agreed to have... Yeah, I don't think she cares about that type of shit. I think we care more about that type of shit than she does. Well, I don't care at all. Well, I'm not you, but I'm just saying like the fans. I think that, you know, we bring that shit up

and talk about that shit more than Nikki probably would. But I don't know. Either way, you know, if Drake is sick, you know, hopefully, you know, he gets over it soon and test negative and can get another date. It's just fucked up because so many people traveled to Canada this weekend for the, um... Who knows how Wayne felt about Drake being cool and Mickey again? Because we've seen Wayne go to bat for Nikki countless times. Hot 97 said, don't do that shit. Fuck them. When Ross was trying to put Wayne and push a T on the same Mayback shit, he said,

fuck you, no way. Take that shit off or I'm not doing it. He's rode for his artist before. So I could see I could see Wayne feeling away more than Nikki for the Drake and meek shit. No way, man. Hell, nah. I mean, it's fun to have these. I'm just, I'm throwing out. I'm just, I'm throwing that piece of paper.

He probably caught COVID. He got COVID. That's what makes the most sense. He has been running around here like a star chaser himself. Yeah, he has COVID. He needs to sit his ass down. He has COVID. But again, press Drake.

Good well soon. Set a new date for the show because I'm pretty sure everybody is excited to see that. Maybe production, some shit wasn't ready. Yeah. Could be that too. You know, maybe we just shooting too high with the, all other conspiracies.

Maybe just production things. Wi-Fi's out again. Him bringing out, I always say her last name wrong. So if I'm saying it wrong. Sorry. Nelly Fittato. Oh, yeah, that show was fine. I always feel like I'm saying it's like a breakfast food or something by accident.

Yeah. That's a frittata? That's a frittata. Yeah. Nellie Furtada came out. I thought that was ill. I thought that was probably one of the cooler. That was one of the cooler.

That was one of the cooler. That we didn't mention as far as like who would be coming out. I don't think we, none of us mentioned, Nettledo. One of the cooler pop-ups at a concert I think I've ever seen. And she still looks amazing. Yeah, for sure. Looks great. Oh, man.

You know, Rory, sometimes in life things happen. And, um. I never thought of it that way. Yeah. That's interesting. It's just that the fact that, you know, our guy, Neal, man, you just put out an album. Trying to celebrate. And it's, it's funny how, you know, maybe you see these things coming.

Name of his album is self-explanatory. Mm-hmm. great records on there. One of my favorite projects so far this year. But now this situation that has come to our phones in the last 48 hours, is this self-explanatory or not? I think she went through his phone and he said pretty self-explanatory. Well, for those of you that do not know, Neo and his wife, Crystal, are now, well, she said that they're separated. they're no longer together

after eight years of being together. So she went to Twitter or she went to Instagram to update us on their marriage and their relationship. She says, and this is Crystal, Crystal Smith. She says eight years, eight years of lies and deception, eight years of unknowingly sharing my life and a husband with numerous of women who sell their bodies to him unprotected.

God, damn. Fuck. Damn. Every last one of them. Was she saying every last one of them was unprotected? Or did they sell it? I don't know. We don't know.

Crystal, she's, listen, this is her dialogue. I don't know how she's, with angle, she's right now. Well, the expensive escorts, I feel like it's the unprotected ones. And they probably take care of themselves because it's their job. We hope that everyone's taking care of themselves if they're having unprotected sex. To say I'm heartbroken and disgust it is an understatement. To ask me to stay and accept it is absolutely. insane. The mentality of a narcissist, I will no longer lie to the public or pretend that this

is something it isn't. I choose me. I choose my happiness and health and my respect. I gain three beautiful children out of this, but nothing else but wasted years and heartache. I ask that you all please stop sending me videos or information of him cheating because what he does is no longer my concern. Who has the videos of Neo cheating? Right. I'm sure a bunch of people. Oh, God damn it. Put the cameras down. Right. Because what he does is no longer my concern. I am not a victim. I'm choosing to stand tall with my head hell high. If someone can't love you the way you deserve, then it's up to you to love yourself. With no hate in my heart, I wish him nothing but the best. And may he die and rot in hell. I was about to say all that then with no hate my heart. I wish him nothing

crystal. There was pure venom coming from these words. Like I was feeling her the whole way through. Like, yeah, I get it. That sucks. You don't wish that you got to say this publicly. You probably shouldn't have to, but then just to say, I wish him nothing but the best. You don't wish, you don't wish Neo nothing but the, you miss him. You hope those third week album sales. And pain. Yeah, you wish him a flop of an album. You were happy you didn't see him in the writing credits of the Beyonce album.

Yeah. I mean, you know. Then his hat falls off. And then Neo responded, correct? By liking the post first of all. Well, yeah, he had to be. Which is funny, which I guess could be fall under narcissistic behavior. Yeah, that's definitely narcissistic behavior, Neil.

You let that shit off. Neo says, for the sake of our children, my family and I will work throughout challenges behind closed doors. Personal matters are not meant to be addressed and dissected in public forms. I simply ask that you please respect me and my family's privacy at this time, which is all in quotation marks. Which is also hilarious that you're asking the internet after you put this business out there to please respect the privacy. No one is going to do that. But you only want privacy when this shit that you know you fucked up one. Of course.

Like, yo, can y'all just respect my privacy at this time? Nah, fam. We want to know why you was in the club. Personal matters are not meant to be addressed and discussed, right? Yeah. Right after this tweet, he posted a video of one of his records saying, don't love me. So, all right. So it was addressed in your personal matters were addressed in your music.

Absolutely. Listen, Neo, you know, it's fucked up. Neo's our guy that's family. You know, it's just fucked up that he has to deal with this and go through this. What? I mean, if he's cheating, it's fucked up. He fucked up if he's cheating. No, but you say it's fucked up that he has to go through this.

I mean, well, his shit is being played out in public. Like his infidalities and all of that, it's like it's fucked up that he has to go through that. Yeah. If he cheated, he's wrong. He cheated. He's a married man. Yeah, he's wrong for that. I'm not saying he's not wrong.

But it's fucked up that is being, like, we all know about it. That's the fucked up part. Like, it's whack. Should a cheater be outed? That's probably a better question. I mean, I think you run that. you can't be mad if you're out of if you're cheating if you're married man and you have kids and you're out here cheating

and she decides to in your public figure so I mean and your wife decides to let everybody know you're a cheater that's part of it you got to do with it do want my therapy response to that? Yeah. She probably feels she now has had no control in her eight years that she was in a relationship

and now this statement is the first step in trying to take control and make a decision on her own. And not only that, women women women would because she's embarrassed and she's hurt she's going to try to embarrass you yeah yeah and this is something now it's her decision and uh and she probably feels like she hasn't had any decision making abilities within their relationship because everything was one lie so this is just the state even if it's wrong i can't say i don't understand when people get super hurt they feel like this is going to make them feel better we know it won't yeah but the mind of someone super hurt

that's been lied to and they feel publicly embarrassed. Mind you, I have not paid attention to any of Neal's marriages or relationships or anything. Same. But who knows what her DMs look like. Maybe she feels like she was embarrassed publicly. I didn't even know. Well, yeah, because she's saying people are sending her videos and stuff like that. Which is kind of crazy.

You know, which means that people are like, yo, you stupid for being with him and this is who he's out with right now while you're at home and da-da-da-da. You know, that shit. I mean, it's fucked up. But, you know, we know what happens. This isn't the first time that we've seen this. It's not going to be the last. You know, it's just, again, it's unfortunate because, like, damn, now you got to live

with this shit. And it's just hard, man, because I trusted Neo with the fedores. It's a very trust for the other. Yeah. Like, when you put the fedora on, it's just so much trust that, you know, you should walk and just carry with yourself. I don't trust. Nobody wearing fedoros.

Yeah, you never know what's under that hat, right? Yeah. A lot of tricks. A lot of tricks. Josh's business independent. But they've been on. They've been on Neal's ass before with this whole thing because his last wife, it was a big thing. He told his last wife to get her tubes tied or burned or whatever and then went because he didn't want any more kids.

You can do that. You can burn your tubes? Yes. You can get your tubes tied. They can be untied or you can get them burned so that there's no fixing that. Double knotting. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's so final. That's like final. So he, yeah, he. They put like the sailors not Allegedly he told his wife to do that Or I think she came out and said that He told her to do that because he didn't want any more kids

And then he went and got remarried And had kids with his new wife Y'all De Maris I promise you none of us Give a fuck about I just cut it out I don't I give up Demaris got the whole breakdown

On the former wife The current wife We don't give them Neo you got caught cheating God damn it And wife you put that shit out there Yeah Neo I'm a laugh at you I love you but I'm going to laugh

nigga you got caught. Yeah. It is what it is. Told a shorthy put her tubes in a bowling knot. Didn't work. Yeah, didn't work. Didn't work. But yeah, it is what it is.

Rest in peace, Bill Russell. Legend. One of the biggest, most iconic athletes of his time. Not just for, you know, what he did athletically, everything he stood for. Civil rights. You know, Bill Russell was arguably, the greatest champion ever, greatest winner ever.

Bill Russell passes away at 88. Yes. 88 years old, long, healthy, productive, even, you know, you've seen him at the last, was it last playoffs. He was at a couple games, I believe. Yeah, he was still moving.

He was still moving and, you know, still had his, had his barons with him and everything like that. So it was sad to hear about his passing. over the weekend You know I was trying to find 11 championships

To as player coach Uh All American Olympian Got a medal of freedom Yeah just You know I think anyone's won as much

As him in anything He just won He won in the game of life Is what he did Bill Russell Is one of the biggest figures In sports

If not the biggest figure In sports history So rest of peace, Bill Russell, prayers and condoluses to his family. Prayers and condolences to Celtic Nation, the Celtic organization. He is the Celtics organization. So yeah, man. But he lived a productive full 88 years. Yeah.

I mean, what a life. Yeah, man. Rest and peace. I think that's good for today. Tickets on sale. They are on sale. Our tickets are available for our live shows. We're hitting the road.

Coming to a few cities. Coming to see a few of the people. I don't know if we're going to be doing meeting greets. I'm going to be honest. This monkey pox thing is ramping up. Which we're going to figure out. And obviously, if we don't end up doing the meet and greets, all will be sent, you know, we'll send your money back.

Yeah. I'm just, I'm just being honest. A lot of y'all are nasty. A lot of y'all don't wash your hands. A lot of y'all don't wash your ass. Can you tell people where you guys are in a lot of you guys? be? September, Sunday, September 18th, we're at Thalia

Hall in Chicago. September 23rd, we're at Howard Theater, like Howard Theater, Washington, D.C., October 2nd. We're at the Underground in Charlotte, North Carolina. Then November 5th, we're going across the water. We're going to London. It's the pond. To the Earth Theater. November 13th, we'll be in Atlanta at Center Stage.

We changed that day because we are not competing with the one music fest. Miss Lauren Hill, James and Sullivan. We're not, we're listening. Oh, that's why we changed. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're self-aware.

We're not going to try to sell tickets when Lauren Hill's in town. Like, who's doing that? November 19th, Dallas, Texas, Southside Music Hall. Hey. November 20th of Houston, Texas, Houston Improv. Moor's going to be improving that night. I'm really excited about the Houston show. I know you are.

I know, I know. Shut up. December 9th, we're in Seattle, Washington, Neptune, Theater. DeMaris just want to shake ass. December 11th. Portland, Oregon, the Aladdin Theater in December 18th, Boston, Massachusetts at the Wilbur. And you guys know

we have L.A. and New York shows coming. Yes, just trying to finalize. For L.A. and New York, L.A. and New York will be on the, added on the date as well. Was that my local right aid over the weekend purchasing some things and had my headphones in and you know when you could tell someone's talking to you.

I'm checking out the guy, where's the New York show? Yeah, we're working on it, bro. Yeah, that shit crazy. Yeah, we're working on it. Where's the condoms? You know Rory. Yeah, he doesn't use those things.

So yeah, get your tickets now, available now at new Rorynmall.com. New Rory in mall.com. Hey, you. What you want me to do, man? This guy's immature. Listen, what are your plans for the week? I don't even give a fuck. I do whatever the fuck you do when I'm not around.

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Yes, sir. So yeah, man. And more. And more. And more. Listen, man. Are we done? I'm sitting back chilling.

Are we done to Maris? Hit everything. You satisfied? Let's go. She's never satisfied, man. She's never satisfied. Yeah, I'm never satisfied. But it'll do.

Thank you. Okay. Anyway, I'm that nigger. He's just ginger. Y'all have a good week. Be safe. We'll talk to y'all soon. Peace. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th.

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