New Rory & MAL - Episode 90 | ‘The Girl Who Divided DVSN’ feat. DVSN

Episode Date: August 5, 2022

Rory & Mal sit down with Daniel and Nineteen85 to discuss the creation of DVSN, the backlash of their current single, the time they became Eskimo brothers, + more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I really want to talk to you. You two, this quiet shit. We're going to cut this shit out today, man. I know the moment's right. I know how to quiet ones. I was once quiet to. And today showed me a contract with all this money to talk. And I started being louder.

Is that the intro? Yeah. Yeah, I used to be a quiet assassin. I know a quiet assassin would I see one. Somebody that's fresh home from Nam. I know yon, I don't know the history of division. I feel like you guys were so mysterious and mystique for your first three projects. No one really knew who you guys were personally.

Or if it was two people. They knew 85 was doing hotline bling And then there was this guy Daniel Who was just an assassin in the club Who was just crooning to all the unsuspecting ladies They didn't know they were getting crooned to Yeah, morning after September 18th What is September 18th?

September 5th, I'm sorry September 15th, September 18th is some date that you made up September 5th is the name Actually, it's the day that he made a beat Right? So he made a beat And that was the first beat that I said, look, I don't care who calls. I don't care of Drake calls.

I don't care who it is. I'm keeping this. And so essentially that became the first actual division record that we actually made. Because he was already my producer. So the history is we met through music became really, what year was this? Really close. I don't know.

2000s? Early 2000s? Late 2000s? Not late 2000s. That we met? That we became like division. Oh, no. It became division right before you guys heard us.

Okay. So, but we met. Yeah, we met years before, years before that. So, um, we were already working. He, uh, you know, he got on before, before I did. He, like you just said, hotline, bling, hold on, we're going home. One dance. Actually, one dance came later.

One dance came just after division came out. For free. Uh, you know, too much. all these records he he kind of got on i was still in toronto feeling like every nigga around me's popping off i guess this shit wasn't meant to happen for me yeah so i kind of let it i kind of just was in a space where i was like i was at my i was at my what i thought was like my my cliff of my my end i was like you know like you know i'll let you go maybe part of my job was just you know helping you get to where you got um

And he was the one that kind of just said, listen, those records that we were working on, let's put him out. And I was like, whatever. You know, and he was like, yo, I'm telling you, this is something like, bro, you're uploading this shit to SoundCloud. Like, go ahead. You know, what do you really think is going to happen?

Talk about that moment when you felt like in seeing your peers and friends and everybody's career kind of elevating and moving, you know, upwards. And you kind of being, I guess, stagnant and no more. emotional movement. Like, what was some of the things besides 85 saying, nah, listen, and putting these records out that we did? Like, what were some things that you pulled from this?

Say, you know what, I got to keep going. I'm not going to lie. Like, it wasn't that I really pulled at anything. It was him saying, we're dropping this and prepare for your life to change. And I just said, okay, cool, let me put it on SoundCloud. Yeah. Like, you know, I was, we, I was living a completely different life at that time.

You know, like, I was, I was definitely mentally in a space where I, because, and this is, mind you, this is the, this is the first big surge of Toronto music, right? So people that I knew, whether that's Boy Wonder, T-minus, 85 now, who was right next to me, other artists, it was just like shit was happening. Yeah. And it's crazy because in the city, they knew me already. I was already on Toronto radio. I was like a guy at that time

and I kind of stopped. Just going by Daniel Daly but my beats were done by 1985. So we just never called it or anything. So we already had this kind of reputation in the city like, no, like that's, he's one of them ones and just stuff just wasn't happening. Okay. And so I stepped back.

I started trying to write records. We were trying to write records and I was trying to get them placed. And, you know, I didn't, even that. The, you know, a few things worked, but not a lot of it worked. And really, that kind of played on my psyche because I was like maybe I'm not that good.

Well, the Toronto sound was very monotone at that time. And I don't mean that a bad way. It's changed music for the better, I feel like. But singing, singing wasn't really a thing in that sound. Did you try to maybe bring it down a bit? No, to be honest, at that time, because I was writing records for people, I was trying to do what I thought they were doing. Yeah.

So I was making records that I'm like, oh, I should have to kill this. Oh, trace songs. Ooh, he going. You know what I mean? That's where I was. And then, you know, it just hit a place where it, I guess it just took longer than I thought. But, you know, everything in God's timing. Right.

And he kind of was the push to be like, look, we're going to put this out. Shit's going to change. And after it did, it was, yeah. So it's interesting now. now that I know that story, I understand like 85's energy. Like your role in this is you don't seem like you get rattled. You don't seem like you worry. You don't seem like.

I've just seen too much. I've seen too much. I've been through too much. So honestly, I think one of the first times we had a conversation where I was just like, yo, this is going to work. I was in Vegas for Drake's birthday. And I took a nap, woke up. You would take a nap in Vegas for Drake's birthday.

Of course. It was Vegas. We were going high. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I woke up and some song lyrics hit me. And they were the lyrics that became the hook of In Too Deep. Okay. So I literally record a voice note on my phone.

Classic record. I send it to him. He's like, yo, what is this? And I called him. I'm like, yo, I don't know why, but something's telling me, I got to tell you we're about to be huge. He's like, bro, what does that even mean? I'm like, yo, I don't know what I'm saying? saying right now, but I know why I'm saying it.

I know this. He in Vegas, he on Coke. It was a vegan weekend. It was a vegan weekend. Meanwhile, 85 was taking a nap and just like creative genius lyrics are just coming to him on a wake up. And mind you, this is, this is, at this point, this is my super successful platinum friend.

Right. I'm in trenches Toronto. You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, my nigga like, like, What are you talking about? That sounds great. Yeah, exactly. You're in Vegas for a drink birthday.

It's crazy. I hear you, but the ops is spinning right now. I'm like, yo, we lit. We about to be up. He's like, yo, go back to the party. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm at the Scarborough Mall food court.

I'm at the eating center, holding it down. Pax is moving. Pax is moving right there. So you take a nap and these lyrics come to you. And then you have to tell Daniels like, basically, like, you didn't know what it was. He just sent you some voice note. And you're like, I think this could be a dope hook, figure out the verses, do whatever.

Right. My work is done. Don't worry. You got this. You got this hit me in my head in too deep. We're going to run that. Right. He's like, what does that even mean?

I was like, no, like, we're going to be big. Like, we're going to, this is going to change the course of R&B in some way. He's like, yo, you're talking crazy right now. I'm like, no, no, no, for real. Like, I just have a feeling, I think. You know, like, I think my feelings have been pretty right, you know. musically, some of my feelings have changed the course of, you know, this after. For sure.

Right. So what I'm saying, it was never from a place of like arrogance or anything. It was more just like, yo, if nobody else tells you this, I got to tell you this because I know what's there. You know, I know what we have and I can see where this is going to go and I can see the void that needs to be filled. You just got to do you though. Right. You can't, you know, because at that time, I guess I could kind of feel that Daniel's energy. it was a bit lower.

You know, I can tell that he wasn't, and it's tough, you know, like, I understand, like, you watching your man's, like, yeah, travel the world and do all these other things. And I'm trying to be like, yo, don't worry, baby, we good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People don't realize those, like, tiny little steps that keep you moving and keep you actually positive. And when you don't get those little ones, you just get lower and lower and lower.

Like, paying attention to, like, oh, shit. 85 just got displacement. I have an opportunity not a right. If you don't look at that as a little step that could possibly work, you could just end up being fucking depressed. Like, I can't even get a little win over here. I had the same thing. I think we've all had that shit.

When Boy Wanda, and as he's saying, minus and 40 and all like my closest friends in the music industry are the biggest producers in the world. I was riding my bike to the studio. You know what I'm saying? So I'm also like a year or more. moved from that. So I get it and I can see where he's going. So I always felt like it was my job to make sure he knew like what he was working with. He knew how incredible this was going to be. If you don't see it right now, just, yo, just please just stay on that path. And it's interesting

with that vision of having so much success finally with Hotline Bling and just hold on we're going home, which is clearly in the pop realm to tell your man's that's not on yet like no we stay in full R&B fuck this because a lot of producers be like I caught my break over here I'm now a pop producer yeah like I'm not going back to my roots this is just what I do now Toronto has always been a city but a lot of talent a lot of culture um I spent a lot of time in Toronto growing up the importance of to me of the cardinal officials the Glenn Lewis's Tamia's Nelly Fittado

Kisha Shanté Kisha Shantay there's a nice group of talent that has had success Obviously Drake is the guy that knocked I'll say the border down for Toronto talent Where does the vision

fit in that fabric of Toronto artists creatives That's a great question I don't even know we're the ones that are supposed to answer that. I feel like that's more of a fan question and a legacy question, hopefully when we're done this. But one thing that I do know is there is no R&B males that have come in and had the traditional R&B element to them that's achieved what we've achieved.

that has the fan base that we have that and and one big thing with us it has the story that we have in the sense of like we really came up through the Toronto music scene. Tori, I don't want to forget Torrey. Yeah, but for example, Tori, he was in the States. Okay. Already. Tori was in Queens, chilling. Okay.

He was already gone. He signed with Sean Kingston earlier. He was, you know, he was in Miami. He was moving around. Okay. left very early. Party, even party when he came, when he got on, you know, he was straight in the States. We were guys that were like in the Toronto scene built up in there in the same time frame.

And then, you know, we were, you know, I guess we're kind of a success story to some. But to know that there's people like Deborah Cox or to me, all that reach out to I'm like, yo, listen, what you're doing? Like, oh, my God. And like, that to me is our achievement. Okay. Those are the vocalists and those are the people that I would, like, growing up, I'm like, holy, this girl is, you know, she sing with the best of them. Right.

You know, so for her to be like, hey, you know, I'm looking for a music director and I didn't know who to ask. So I came to you because I love your stuff. I'm like, what? Right. You damn me. Right. Well, I'm like, okay, this me, I like that people are noticing the art and the, you know, what we've put into our passion, I guess.

So September 5th, the album 2016, what has life been like since then? Both creatively, personally, you know, just the trajectory of division. What has changed since? We spent so much time on the road. We did our first tour, went on a road with Drake and Future

did our second terrible tour did our second tour talk about labor did a festival run went on the road with Miguel by the time it was all sudden and done we tore for like

four and a half years straight wow like literally just like a couple months in between here and there but we've we've touched a lot of stages I think because of that we've always tried to make the live show so much more of an experience as opposed to certain

people with the live show is the afterthought. I think even the way we started making our music changed and the way we started to interact with fans changed based on seeing how personal becomes. I'm not even the guy on the stage and I see how personal becomes. So I can only imagine for him that is almost kind of like, the payoff. You do all of these things to then actually see the reaction. It's one thing to put songs on a streaming platform with radio or whatever. Hidden the stage is totally different. When you out there? Yeah. I'm sure it's really personal with the fans.

Listen, man, he's a man of the people. You know, you got to get out there and touch the people. And the man of the clock. Just quickly so we could wrap up the history part of everything. After that, call in Vegas, how did the division package get put together to then pitch it to OVO, Drake, 40, whoever it was. They didn't get pitched. Nothing got pitched. We were already, we were both signed to 40 as writers, like writers and producers. Oh, okay.

This is before any division thought. Okay. So when we did kind of go to him, we were like, yo, this is what we're thinking of putting together as an album, what do you suggest? And he goes, yo, I'm going to be real with you. I think you guys should do whatever you feel is necessary to do and talk to all the labels, all the execs, do whatever. But if you want to do this at home, he's like, the door is open.

You can have that conversation too. But I'm not going to tell you that's what you should do. Okay. And that. Yeah, it was very open. A solid advice. At that time, because of, you know, him uploading the stuff to SoundCloud and being like, whatever, let's let's go.

What happened on the internet with us was, was crazy, especially about, you know, them trying to figure out who the vision was, what does it look like? is it is it is it is he does he sing now you know all that stuff like that i remember that right so that turned into literally every single label in the game in our in our emails so we didn't even open them we just literally left it there and we're like okay cool we know who's in there 40 what should we do and 40's like look i'll ride with you and we can go to whatever label you want to go to. Or if you want to stay here and rock with the home team, you can stay here. And being as he was the only guy that we knew in the business that we trusted already because

we knew him from before, we're like, well, we're going to fuck with the nigga that we know. You know what I mean? So that's how we ended up there. It wasn't a pitch. It wasn't anything. The only thing that he came really told us was, yo, when, you know, Drake started coming to me and saying his girls are asking about division and stuff like that, little things like that. Yeah, Drake didn't even know. I was producing. Drake was like, yo, going to 40. Who are these divisions guys?

That's why women are the best A&Rs. Yeah. That's usually how men find out of music. I've had three girls tell me about this group. That's how I found out about Gunna. It was definitely like a girl being like, yo, there's this rapper telling you he's the next wave. All right, cool.

You hate him. I heard him. I heard him. I was like, oh, she's hard. We'll just take what women tell us and just like, just like, all right, like, we'll try it. You know what I'm? What's so trash is it's the complete opposite with podcasts.

Yeah. Only your man's put you onto a podcast. Yeah, absolutely. No girl is like, have you heard this pod? Yeah, women put you on the podcast when they're trying to like change the person. You're trying to heal you. Yeah, maybe you should listen to this. This is a great like financial podcast.

Like you should listen to him. Learn how to save your progress. Yeah, like, oh, a health podcast. Like, yo, you need to change your diet. You need to lose weight. Exactly. Like when they're trying to change the guy. That's when women give us a podcast.

I want to ask since you guys. said you were both signed to 40 as writers. Does the rumor of the OVO sweatshop, is that true? No. Because that was a big thing on the internet for a very long time.

Do you guys remember where that started? Wait, don't tell me Drake got Mexicans working in the studio. No, that started because people were talking about how they were working just night after night

all through the night. Like musicians. Like we're just sleeping. Yeah, like musicians don't do. That's what this came from. I think it was around the, just so on, we're coming home shit.

because that's when Majid Jordan got introduced. And then you know when everyone tries to discredit, Drake, they're like, this was a Majid shit and they was in the sweatshop. And Drake came in and said, give me that. What happened is he was explaining that people were sleeping in the studio because 40 and a couple of guys, they were just there so much. He brought a little blow-up bed. Okay.

And we'd just take a nap and then jump back into it. They took that out of context and were like, oh, Drake's not letting people go home. Like, it was never. Oh, okay. Yeah. That turns into everyone's just working. Everyone's just working at this camp and Drake is stealing all their good records. Yeah, no.

I'm just telling you what the internet said. No, I know. How much animosity and envy did you have when Drake got Hotline Bling from your producer? Oh my God. To be honest, I'll be honest. First listen to Hotline Bling, I was like, okay. Did you hear it before Drake got it? No.

Okay. What I was jealous of was too much. Mm, okay. Don't think about it too much. I was like, oh my God. God, I love this beat. But I heard, I heard. You said you, you think you could out sing Sanfo on that?

Out sing Sanfo? Yeah, on too much. Nah, man, Sanfo, you the guy, man. All right. Now, I was trying to start. I don't know, I don't know. I'm going to give you some later on. I don't know for sure.

No, but, um, hold on we're going home. When I heard that, that was an instantaneous first listen. I was like, oh my God. This is going to be the. biggest song in the world off the first listening. Hotline Bling, my first listen, I was like, that's cool.

It was a Lucy that went on soundcloth. It was a Lucy. With like two other Lucy's. My second listen, though, I was like, oh my God. Holy shit. Didn't he put out Hotline Bling around the meat beef? Yes, it was a couple with a meat beef.

I remember that. I was like charged up and charged up and got on. Yo, this Hotline Blink record is fucking crazy. Like, y'all not paying enough attention to this. He put it out with a little three pack. And what was a, the controversy around the the drum

other records if I'm trying to remember that time in the internet apparently of the OVO sweatshops and the song have been copied from his song but then I was just like the samples are different everybody in in the world that is listening to

trap probably thinks all trap songs that's fair the same drums similarities so if it's taken from two different places it's like cool it's like similar vibes But it wasn't, you know, there's no malicious intent. Yeah. But, you know, once a story gets out there, just like spirals and then.

Yeah. You guys don't talk. That's why I'm just trying to ask things from 2016. Twitter's not real, guys. Twitter's not real. But it's just, it's not real, but it's, it's amazing the place that it has in the culture. For sure. Like the place, that's like Twitter's the place where so many conversations, so many stories,

rumors get pushed, like just throughout the culture. And it's like, now that we get to told him, like, nah, that's not what happened. Like, this is what it was. We just was in the studio where, and it's like, oh, that's regular shit. Like, in fact, Drake was a good guy for getting blowout magic, blow up magic. Because usually it's like, yo, lay down wherever you see a spot at. Like, and it is what it is. Plus, you have to remember, like, 40 and all the people there, they're literally that dedicated to a project where they're like, I'm not going home until it's finished.

I don't want to go home. Yeah. You know, so if there's no beds in the studio, fuck, bring a, bring a mattress. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it was that. So it is what it is. It's just, you know, the internet's going to internet. Well, I think that's probably a good segue into the recent two weeks.

Oh, man. Oh, the internet, internet. Did you say Twitter's not a real place because of some of the recent backlash of what's been going on with the right? No, no. Twitter's not a real place. I say that because I've seen so many things on Twitter that were. We're not real. That's just, it's just like, where does this come from?

Where does this come from? And then you, you trace it back. And the crazy thing about Twitter, what I will say in, in reference to the recent outrage. Which we're going to get into. The reason why I say it's not a real place is because I, I've read some of the things. And then in two days, that same account is saying the opposite. Oh, of course. It turns from, how could you to, nah, this shit, did to, I ain't going to lie.

So Bob. And I'm like, okay, come on. What are we doing? Which is just whoever thinks whatever they can say will get liked or retweeted more. It's because people, you know, people don't understand just human nature. Yes, you hear something. You may not like it at first, but you live with it. Feelings change.

Opinions change. But because you already put it out there when you first heard it and then your reaction, now it's like a week later, you're like, no, this is a eye. But now it's like, yo, but you just killed the record. Well, you have the ability. You scroll back a week ago you was killing this record. You have the ability to say, you're, you're like, your first thought to everybody.

Absolutely. And it's set in stone. Absolutely. And that's what it is. It's set in stone. We've seen it. We read it. We can't unread it. But now it's like, okay, we get it. Now you finally turned the corner and you like the record. Well, I feel like I have to be the moderator for this because I was the only one not involved in if I get caught cheating. What do you mean the stories about you? Oh, look at that. Look at that. Look. You saw how he got flustered. Look out all the blood brush from his face now. That's my natural compulsion.

first of all that was the Twitter said that and that was a lie I'm stealing your answer now Twitter interview now Twitter's not a year Social media is full of shit since I was the only person at this table

not involved with the record or the video I feel like I have to ask the questions about the video the entire thing because it's stirred up and shout out to LVRN for creating

such a commotion before the record came out with the rollout great job I feel like something derived from my rollout but it's cool it's fine Justice you're allowing it

That's the white privilege Yeah you just letting them talk crazy They steal from our culture Then they say hey you took my dick like No you got stole the R&B culture Nah that's cool I get I get it Grab a bunch of people to talk about the record I understand I was the first one to ever do that

They invented rock and roll I was the first person to put someone on camera To talk about the record Absolutely So you guys do the rollout Cause a lot of commotion every single Instagram account pose it up and then the record drops

with more on the video and it was the most split decision I've ever seen on a record in my entire life which is what I think in a way way division is about I think it's weird

your name is division I think y'all try to like divide because that is going to keep the code that's what you want like what are the women saying what are the fellas saying okay I'll let you finish I'm gonna say something my first

I mean just from my point of view when that comes motion happened and people were asking me like oh i mean i'm not really feeling the record like why would they do all that shit around that record i'm like i'm gonna tell you what it was the point of a rollout right which is why it was great but i'm gonna tell you what it was and looking at it the promo clip the jd texting hove about the sample people were expecting an entirely different sample from jade they weren't just expecting the bar the line they was expecting like a whole thing they're spending the song cry beat to come in exactly me to be pouring my heart out

Exactly. I think that's what they were expecting, which is like, okay. But no, you went the more blues route with the three count. That is like it's easy on the air. You catch as soon as you hear it. And it made people like, like, whoa, now they listen. Like, if you get caught cheating, like, that don't mean you don't love me. Like, what you mean?

What you're talking about? And they're hearing. And because that clip, right, that clip is a gang of regular ass niggas singing. Right. So they're like, division. You usually sound like an angel and now you sound like this. And it's like, no, that's the, you're not getting the song context. But again, purposeful things count justice and LVRN because I fought him about that clip.

I said, yo, why don't we give them a little bit more the, you know, the early spots, just so they can get the song context before it hits there. I think it was great. He's like, nah, hit him with this because that hook is the catchiest thing in 2022. It is going to catch everybody. And on top of that, it is going to. shock people because they're going to have to say something. And start the conversation.

And start this conversation. I will ask was the purpose of it for everyone to like it? Because how music is put out now, you have to start a conversation. I know he's saying social media not real, but as far as promotion, it very much is. To put out music now to start a buzz, the best way is a split decision. I feel like those certain records that you want to start a project out with can't be the unanimous. this is the one that everyone's going to go to.

Because the internet is fueled so much on debate and dislike, that's the way things spread. So was that intentional to make a record that was probably outside of the traditional division sound and with the context. It was intentional to be outside of the exact things we've done. But the context and even just the thought going into it is very similar to do it. We've always been. I know that. But sometimes when things are sung beautifully, people don't pay attention to the writing and it may sound like a very beautiful thing.

It's like, no, this is a really fucked up guy. What I'll say, what I'll say is, what I will say is definitely wasn't the thought going into the record, but definitely the thought going into let's put this out first. Yeah. Because even what you're saying about like the focus group with the rollout, that didn't come from us having an idea for a rollout. That came from what was actually happening in real life and that's right. You've walked into that. Oh, for sure. Right.

So what we used to, we were piling people in the rooms and playing records. We used to do that. Me and J.D., we go to the club, go to here, go to wherever, bring people, 85 day. Let's bring these people, bow out here, tell Bauer to bring this girls, come to the studio, pile them in. We're going to play stuff. Just see what happens. And every time we played that record, the room would burst into argument. Every single.

So we'd come back in half an hour, the room is still arguing. We would leave them and be like, what is happening? to fight and woke up. We'll be back. Yeah. 45 minutes later, still. Yeah. We've never seen that with an R&B record. We'd never seen that with a record that

almost men unanimously. I've never seen it with any record. We've never seen that. Yeah, I don't think I've seen that. Right. Where it forces you to have to like take a stance. So we're like, okay, cool. We thought we just went in here and said some really honest shit.

But it's having this reaction. I get what, okay, I get it. Now that I'm hearing the perspective, I get what you guys are hearing versus what I'm, actually saying. Right. And that's another thing. I'm going to break that down in a second.

But that alone made us say, you know what, this is a great place for us to start the story of the album because this particular place, you know, mainly deals with, you know, the ego. And it mainly deals with, you know, something that's going to cause a converse, cause people to have to talk about some real things that they're not used to talking about. Well, then let me ask as actual, by the way, musicians. For first records in 2022, what's more important? Replay value or conversation? Both.

I think both. Well, of course both. But let's, if I had to pick one. I think if I had to pick a song that people played a million times versus people talked about a million times. I mean, I guess the plays, because the plays is what pays you at the end of the day. It gets you in the algorithms. But I think conversations incite more plays.

Yeah. Because now we have a conversation. So now I got to go back here. and now I got to debate it. Now I got to tell somebody else this. And that's what creates this spiral. Like this record is already playing on radio station. We haven't sent it to the radio yet.

Today is actually the day. Oh, wow. It goes through. Regrets. Right. So it's already been playing. It's already been in certain people's countdowns already. And we haven't even sent it yet.

Right. You know, and I know that's because of the conversation. And also, obviously, the hook is super catchy. But aside from that, I know some more conversation. Yeah. Shut up a conversation. singing on that. Thank you. I appreciate it. But yeah. Sorry, what were we, what were you at with this? I think also what started the conversation. Goodbye, Justice.

Yeah, let me. I also think the timing of it when it came out with Brent's album just dropping and everyone around Brent, the conversation is always toxic, toxic, toxic, he's toxic. and now R&B I feel like which I don't feel like it's a fact is very much toxic than it is love I think a lot of the feedback was all right

we've known division to make real R&B traditional shit and again they don't really read the lyrics they just it feels like real R&B love shit I think people are like

how far are we going to go with this toxic shit is R&B ever going to come back to actual love but R&B has always been a little toxic Yeah. Yeah.

It's rhythm and blues. Blues, I think, is a toxic thing, like when you really think about it. Well, I think the psychology of it, if you get into it, yes, there's love songs that we deem. This is a love R&B song can be very toxic, but it feels like love. It feels like something you play around your partner when you guys are in love, not beefing. R&B now, for the most part, is just straight toxic from the women's side and the man's side. Yeah. which as we've even seen went over into the female rap side.

Everything is toxic what the chicks are saying and the dudes are replying with just toxic shit as well. Right. Is R&B in a place where it can come back to love? And is that something you guys focused on at all? I think. Or felt like you contributed to the toxic side and just leaned into it with the first record. I think this record is a great example of people will pay attention to what they want to pay attention to. And a lot of times, that's the more negative stuff.

There's a lot of great positive R&B out there. Nobody's talking about it. Nobody cares. Yeah. There's a lot of smooth stuff. There's a lot of... Other people drop the day that we drop. Yeah, there's a lot of real central R&B happening.

Yeah. I think Neo dropped the same. A lot of people drop. Yeah, there's so much out there, but there's no reason for people to have the conversation about that. Why? You know? Like, why... We know that part.

We know what love. We know what love. We see that. We get that. Yeah. So we didn't do it with that intention, but we knew the way people were reacting. the reaction is going to be different than the other songs we've had that are fully love songs. We've been one of the truest to that form, I would say, in the past five years.

Of this new generation, I don't think it's debatable that division has been probably the truest, if not one of the truest, the absolute truest, to that traditional sound feeling and aesthetic of the, R&B and the love song and the get your girl back, the heartbreak, and that's been our thing, right? So the fact that this record alone is the most talked about one song we've ever had. Says something about the fans. It says something about you guys more than it says something about us. Right. Right.

So what I will say is this. I don't think the record is toxic and I've been saying this from jump. I think the record is honest. And the difference that I have with that is toxic to me sounds like I'm going to say a bunch of things that have no, they almost have no, it's almost like I'm going to go out of my way to try to incite something negative or something that's going to bring out of you a peasant. headiness or like a deviousness or just to prove I'm a slime ball. Right. Right. This song, this song, this song, when I heard, first up, we walk in the studio,

Jermaine starts singing this, literally on the door open. You've been in the studio, you know, the first door. First door, boom. He's going, I get caught cheated. I don't mean I don't love you. I'm like, yeah. That should have been on Confessions one. As soon as he said that.

As soon as he said that, I was like, oh my God, what is that? What is that? Like, I want to say that because I've felt that before. Right. As a man that has done some wrong things while being in love, I related to that, right? My cheating had nothing to do with our love. I get it. Yeah.

Because that's how I wired it in my brain. Trying to fuck. I just went out and did some dumbass, selfish fuck shit. And because of that, I've hurt the person or maybe she doesn't know. But either way, it didn't mean I stopped loving you the moment I did it. Right. Right.

So I thought that was an interesting conversation. But what I actually sat down and wrote about wasn't even that. What I sat down and wrote about was being in a relationship with someone that thinks you might be cheating on them. I thought you love them. No, no, no. That's fucking crazy. She thought I loved her. That thinks you might be cheating.

Also, you might be cheating on it. Also reality, though. That's the goddamn. So I'm writing this like, yo, everything that attracted you to me has now turned into your insecurities in this relationship. Sure, which happens.

That's why when I said, I'm a fly nigger when you got here, charismatic when you got here. Some people heard that and they thought, oh, I was fly as charismatic, so you know I'm going to be out here with these holes. It's like, no, it was, I was all these things. And that's why I say,

and now you got my phone in your hands. Questions not again. Why do we do this? Really the truth is because I'm trying to say, look, hey, you liked me because I dress while I look good. I can. I'm a funny guy. I'm cool to be around.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We all know women love you for your characteristics. And then once you're in a relationship, no one else is allowed to love you. And that's what the song is really about. You laughed at all that. You laughed at all my jokes. Now I'm not funny no more.

Why you got to be so funny? Tell us how you going out. You're going now. You think you're funny. Oh, you want to be all on people's faces. No, you knew that I did. I'm a party promoter. I'm an artist.

These are fans. So that's what I'm writing the song from the perspective of. And then I'm like, why do we do this really the truth? Because I'm like, hey, listen, nothing is going on first and foremost. But even if it was, if the hypothetical, if I was doing this, don't think for a second that meant that all of a sudden I fell out of love with you and did that. Like you're looking for stuff to do what? To upset yourself or to leave?

Because if you're looking for stuff, you're digging through phones, you're checking the laptops. Are you looking for a reason to leave? So if the answer is yes, why do you want to leave here when you're in a relationship with someone that actually loves you and actually whatever? Yeah, I might have fucked up if I went and did that. But that wasn't because I didn't love you. Like my theory on cheating is it's more of an ego thing than it is a, a lot. love thing, more of an emotional thing. People do that when they want to stroke their own ego. People do that when they don't care enough about the person's ego that they're dealing with.

People do that when they are having a moment of self-indulgence, a moment of selfishness, and they're just like, I'm doing this for me. That's why every guy can understand why certain guys, even though they might have a high-profile woman or a beautiful, a person that the world looks at is beautiful, steps out and the guy cheats. Every guy knows exactly what's going on. It had nothing to do with the girl. Right. Every girl's like, how could you cheat on her?

Right. We're like, she had nothing. She's so beautiful. She's so amazing. She has the bag. She's this. She's that.

And we're like, yo, it has nothing to do with her in a lot of male minds commonly is what you hear. Now, mind you, women, some of them do the same thing. Sure.

Some of them, more commonly we hear women do that. When they cheat? Women are. Perfect. No. Why should you take it ahead of the back? They would never, women would never cheat.

But yeah, they, they, uh, we, we hear more about them that they, they, they emotionally check out. Yeah. Before they do this. There's some void. There's some lack of something here. Yeah. So I went out and did, and, and, and did this. When women cheat, it gets blamed on men.

And when men cheat, it gets blamed on men. Or doesn't get caught. Doesn't get caught. But if they do get caught or even talking with their home girls, I did it because he made me, it's, all that. More commonly is that way here. Mind you, but there is girls that Oh, just want some dick Just want to do some random shit too

Which I could respect more than trying to be like Oh, you just didn't do enough I don't respect those heathens Women just want dick Get away from me I'll take that over the bullshit of just like Oh, you just weren't doing enough at home No, that is real

You're probably that guy Wait That's why you cast him in the video What you're talking about? I'm just, I thought he was my man That's why the casting director was amazing Wait, I'm lost No, okay so my thing is

So let's let's talk about it from woman's perspective, right? As four men. Yeah. As four men, let's talk about it from the woman's perspective. Of course. So if your girl cheats, if your girl gets caught cheating, right? Do you forgive her and do you stay?

Are you asking Daniel? I'm asking Daniel. Me, would I realize about where I'm at right now? Oh, shit. No, because, yo, whenever niggas realize where they're at in life, because I'm not to think about this. Listen. I'm with Daniel already.

I know where you going. I feel the same way. All right. All right. All right. Go ahead. My bad. Where you at in your life right now, dude?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I know how I'm going to enter a relationship. Okay. With, with hos. With the heaths. I know how I'm going to enter a relationship. Yeah. I wouldn't have that in my current parameters.

That's something that's okay. Did you just say your current parameter? Yeah. His boundaries. No, because I've done that. No, okay. What I can say? What I can say?

What I can say is I've done that. I've done that. You've done what? I've been in a relationship where I was 90 something percent sure this girl cheated. I'm mind you we went on a break. So shifty shit happened. The brakes don't count.

Yeah, you still cheating on me on my brain. In my mind, the break happened because you probably already were doing that shit, right? Oh, that's where my head was. Yeah. And no, I didn't go back immediately, but I left the space open for her to like, let me see, let me see how hard you go. Okay. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. I've also been the guy where it's like, you cheat on me. Forget the, are you out of your mind? Right, right. Are you, I think I'm going to stay with it. I've been on both sides of the fence. Okay.

So where I'm at right now, I'm like, listen, I want a situation where me and the person that I'm with, we can set our like, okay, look, what's okay, what's not okay? What can you accept? What can you not accept? All that stuff. And let's just iron out our own situation. Okay. So if in that you violate, no, I'm not going to stay person. What if you're getting to know a certain someone?

You know that you're not completely exclusive to her. Yeah. and she tells you that she has other things happening. We're not dating yet? Yeah. Are you immediately like, yeah. Am I fucking raw? Whoa.

Yes. Came in a little hot. Came in a little, you know what I'm here? Just get right to it. Yeah. Let's say, let's say you fuck 30 times.

You fuck 30 times. Counting how much you fucked is crazy. You fuck 30 times. I'm mad you put a number on it. And four of those times have been raw. First of all, I'm not believing that. If you tell me you had sex with a chick 30 times and you only smell. If I had sex or 30 times.

I have 26. The first 26. 20xed up. 26 times jimmied up. Four times. I don't think no nigger has put on 26 condoms with one chick. I have for sure. 26 condoms?

I have no kids to date. How do you think I'm out here? You put on 26 condoms in your life. No. With one girl? 1000%. I am sick. I am.

When does trust coming? Jimmy General. I wouldn't know with his trust. I'm the Jimmy General. No, no. I'm a Jimmy General as well. But I'm just saying, with one girl. Girl?

Yeah. Is that a trust thing? 26, 26 rubbers are crazy. Especially if I'm hitting a couple times a week. With inflation right now, too? How much are condoms? I'm gonna get 26 condoms and just open them and throw them on the floor. Just look at them.

How you feel after that? Yo, you live a nasty, nasty life. That's two 12 packs. It's not that big guy said 12 packs. Come on. You go through 12 packs with a chick, bro. What? That's a good amount of time for me to really fit, feel of it.

What about the four? Though? That you was raw. The four. I'm saying the four happened after that. So let's say you want to, After 26 is your time. You're like, all right.

And then you start it to whatever. We now trust comes in. A quarter century mark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will I stay? Yeah. If a girl was to say, hey, I'm seeing other people. You know you're talking to other people, but this might be the one you're trying to.

Oh, I'm trying to get there with her. Yeah. She's kind of like, she's leading the pack. Yeah. Okay. And then she's still. She has other guys that she's dating. She has the guy.

Am I leading the pack? Okay, yeah, you're her favorite guy. She tells you. She tells you. But then you catch her at the line. But you're not hitting her role. So you can't. be leading the pack because the nigga that's leading the pack is not wearing a condom let me tell you

y'all that right now that might be a fact that's a fact the nigga that's the nigga that's the one thing I only led the bag you can't love a nigga you can't love a chick to a condoms I'm leading to pack you can't find love through a condom bro it's not possible bro you can not you can't fall in love with a condombs you're saying that's the one barrier love can't break does the body even count with the rubber roll no I count you guys are both sick sick individual. This is crazy. Am I staying in the situation?

Or are you saying, am I promoting her still? Are you continuing to pursue it with the same level? The same vigor. I got a feeling 85 is asking this. He has the answers already.

He does. Like his energy is like, yo, you're talking to me now. I think that, okay. The people want to hear these? Yeah, you're right. I think that if she is actively seeing and sleeping with other people and I am actively sleeping

with other people at the same time, I'm going to definitely have to take a stop and take a real good look at this whole situation. Because of her? No, because I'd be like, yo, we're both on this. We're both doing that point. You already were.

Yeah, because she is. Yeah, because let's cut the shit. No, because we've all been told us. That's what I'm saying. You listen, as men, we can never tolerate that. No, that's what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is that knowing that. So basically you just say you don't want to know.

That's where I was going to go with the question. How about just not knowing? What I'm saying is that me. It's happening. You just don't know most of the time. Me knowing that and me doing it at the same time, I think the two of them together, because I'm already dealing with my own conscience.

Okay, let me ask you a question. So me dealing with my own conscience. When is the last time you met a woman, you start to get to know her, and that's the only woman you're talking to. The last time in your life. That's the only girl at the time. That's so far in a day.

There's no, there's no hang. There's no claim. He's never done that. Hold on. There's nothing hanging on. There's unlimited texting for a reason. Wait. There's a Wi-Fi working to.

No, no, no. I can't remember. Exactly my point. Yeah, it's been a while. So what I'm saying is if that's how it's- Talking to seriously? Here we go. Or talking to.

So he's trying to find a semantic. Don't play the semantics. Yes. And you're dating somebody and you're dating other women. And then, you know, she's dating other guys. Yeah. No, I've done that. That's something.

I can still talk to a bubble. Women are talking to other men. Oh, 1,000. That's what I'm trying to say. I could deal with knowing you talk to other guys, yes. But you can't deal with knowing which part. I'm saying what I would stop. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

You said you could deal with it? I could deal with if it's just a girl I start talking to. Okay, yeah, yeah. I could deal with that. The reason I'm saying I could deal. The reason I'm saying that where it becomes a problem is when it's like, okay, now I'm going to be actively doing this. You're actively doing this. I would probably stop and be like, okay, look, where are we actually headed?

Oh, you're going to hit her with the what I'm. What are we? Wow. Wow. That's a very, that's a very male Toronto thing. Yeah. No, I would. Where are we?

Toronto. I would. Especially if just the girl that I'm trying to promote to the like you're the only ones. status, I'm 100% going to be like, hey, where are we at? But that's the question I'm going to have with myself first. And then I'm going to go probably have that with her. We're like, yo, what if she tells you? We are wherever you want it to be.

So basically, like, you still date you women? So if I promote me, if you promote me to that spot, all these niggas are gone. If you don't, I'm going to keep letting, letting homie smash. That's sad. Let homie smack. No, she's letting him. She's choosing. That's what I'm saying?

She, so I'm saying. So if she doesn't, she's going to. keep she's going to keep talking to the other guys. So what? Yeah, if you don't promote it. So what? If I don't put her in the number one slide. If you don't make her wifey, yeah, she's going to keep dating other guys. I hate when women answer with that. Oh, I'll just meet you where you're at. I'm a dirtbag. If you want to meet me where I'm at, I'm judging you know.

To be honest. To be honest. I have to respect. I'd have to respect it. But I'd have to respect it. But I tell her you shouldn't live that way. I have to respect it. Don't meet me at my energy. Be yourself. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to say. Don't meet me at my energy. Yeah. This is what I'm trying to say. This is themselves. They just don't show it. They're being themselves. They're just not telling you. So now you're getting the girls.

But it hurts more when you find out like if you feel like you're dating somebody and you don't know that she's dating other guys, if you find out that shit does affect you. It affects a relationship. Yeah. Y'all don't have to be serious. You can pretend affect the way. Because I'll be honest.

If I'm with a girl and I'm already thinking. Do you want to know that she has other things going on? I want to know everything. Yes. I do. Oh, so you don't enjoy sleep. No, I want to know. Yeah.

No wonder he was the only one sleeping on the mattress at the O'Neill sweatshop. By the way, thinking about I was sure he was doing. 85 got great sleep. He woke up, new lyrics came to him. He was too deep. D-Raggoed in the mirror. I'm trying to. Like, I wonder what she's doing right now.

If I'm going to promote somebody to that spot and I'm already seeing other people, I'm still kind of seeing other random little tings here and there. I'm probably having the debate with my conscience already. When you look at the point where you do what you want to do because you want to do it and not because of what she's doing. Why do you have to give the woman the option? If you don't like the women's general answer of like whatever you want to do,

instead of giving them the option, just be straightforward and say, hey, I'm ready to be with you. What do you want to do? Okay. Versus saying like, well, whatever you want to do, I want to do. So you don't know how the male ego works. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because God forbid, I say, yo, I want to do this. And she goes, no, no, to be honest, to be honest. I'm fucking mad, too, to be honest, I could do that. I could do that. And that's kind of what I was talking about. When I'm saying, what are we? I mean, like, yo, listen, I see you like this. This is kind of where I'm trying to go.

But it kind of seems like you might still have this and this and this and went on. Why don't you just come out and say like, yo, it's us right now? No, because I'm not, that's different. That's different. I'm not going to come out and be like, yo, it's us. She'll be like, no, nigga, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not.

Because women are also the master manipulators. They'll say like, oh, he's suffocating me. Yeah, no. I would never come out of a girl like that. Not yet. Me person. me. I wouldn't do that. I would come at her and say, this is what I want to do. This is what I want to do. Obviously, if you're coming out of a girl like that is because you already know, I'm not going to say, hey, yo, it's you and me now. She's like, okay, okay. Cut the mother, no, but you can say, listen. I want to do this. I'm feeling you like, listen. I like, I've, I see you like just you and I want to be you and me. Yeah. That's what, where are you trying to go with this? Yeah, that's the conversation that I would have. On the other side of that, has a woman ever came to y'all and said, we can no longer do this because I'm taking it serious with another guy. No. for them before.

Wait, what? Because we're saying all this and like, oh, I'm going to tell this girl, yo, I want it just with you and I cut them off. I'm not on that right now. Okay, all right. That's different. Like, if you give it to her ready, like, yo, listen, I'm not, I'm on some other shit right now. We can just have fun, date, you know what I'm saying, see each other from time to time.

Then if she's like, yo, listen, there's somebody else I've been seeing, like, you know, things are getting kind of serious. I tell your story. Women are holier than thou because there's been plenty of times that I've gotten ghosted after a chick that I was just fucking, like, she doesn't answer my 2 a.m. text anymore. I'm like, oh yeah, all right, she probably just found the guy that she actually likes. But a woman has never maturely sat me down and like, hey, we can no longer do this because, uh,

oh, no, it's not the sit down. It kind of just faged, like, the sex messages aren't is frequent. Women just want all this direct shit and never do it themselves. I had a situation. Were you guys direct before that? Sure. Come through. Yo, come through.

It's sick. Yo, yeah, what you're doing like? All right. Hit me when you're done. Mad direct. I'm not direct. We are directly going to have sex. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, were you directed? Direct as far as we know what time it is, we text each other on Saturdays and, yo, where you at? All right, if you're not doing nothing, come through. I mean direct as in, she would be like, yo, how many other girls are you got? You're like, I have time to this girl, like that type of direct.

Sure. Because then they'll be comfortable to do it back. Yeah, no, I've had that conversation before. Like, hey, you fucking with someone else. I had a situation where I was with, I was with a girl. When you haven't raw sex with someone, you need to have those conversations. No, for sure. I had a situation.

I'm dead ass. I'm not even trying to be responsible. I'm not having a problem. bunch of raw sex. I had a situation with a girl. I'm not having sex with anyone. I had a situation when a girl that was my, one of my old things. And we, we linked back up. And we, uh, I don't know why I was in a hotel because I was definitely in Toronto. But we went to a hotel. One of the hotel. One of the most vacations. I don't know why I was in a hotel. I'm trying to think why. But anyways, we went to a hotel. And, you know, she was kind of like, I have.

I have a man. And she's like, I guess I'm about to go cheat on my man. She literally said this out loud. It's happening to me too. Right? And we, you know, we did whatever. And the next morning, she just kind of was like, look. So what are we going to do?

Because this nigger is ready to straight up marry me. Like he's ready to propose. So either you step up or I'm going to just. But see, that, see, 85. I'm going to get you when I was. So that for me is hurtful because it's like, she's basically saying like he's ready to propose I don't really want to be with him

that's why I've interpreted that shit yeah not to him not to him but it's like the other guy it's like I don't ever want to be the other guy at some point in life I feel like a lot of women choose the stability and the thing that makes more sense and I was not stable at that time yeah yeah I do understand yeah so I get it

I understand if you got to go with go with where it's short for this for sure. Go with the for sure. I tell girls, I'll go with it for sure. If you can afford a Lamborghini in New York City,

great, but there's potholes. It's not a stable car. You got to have to get it fixed every time. Go get the SUV and P.I. for the rest of the other people. If I'm about to,

if I'm about to promote my girl. If I'm about to... Yeah, I was hoping you would keep like change the adjective, but sorry. I was something to do yourself. I didn't want to correct you. If I'm going to take my,

if I want to take a girl that I'm just kind of talking to and I like, and I like, her and I want to make her the girl that I really fully invest in and I'm seeing other people my conscience my conscience is already going to be playing with me at that point okay so that that's what I was trying to say before where it's like if my conscience is playing with me with myself and then her and then now I'm added in with oh and she has XYZ on the side that's what will make

me stop and be like okay what are we really going to do and that's a conversation that I have with myself and then I have it with her. I might come to her and be like, this is what I want to do. Are you down to do this? But I'm definitely not. You say, I want to be your boyfriend. Are you down to be my girlfriend? Yeah.

I'm going to be like, listen, I want us to be. I want us to go here. I want us to go here. What's going on over there? And what needs to be said for you to be like, all right, reluctant? And in 2022, is that something you're capable of, period, right now? your life. Daniel? Yes. Yeah.

Not division. Daniel. Is it, is it capable? Am I capable of what? Sorry, being in a relationship right now? Yeah. Doing the, hey, I'm your boyfriend. Could I have been during the, during a faithful monogamous relationship? With nobody. With a girl that's not, with a girl that's not bisexual. What do you mean?

Nobody else. I can't. I can't even breathe that nobody else. Like, no. A faithful monogamous situation. Could I be in one right now? Yes. Yes. You could? Yeah, I could do it. I believe that. I believe it. could. I believe we could. Yeah. His partner and man's just laughed. I don't know if you're going to. I could. What do you ask a question is somebody's like, so what do you mean by that?

It normally means there's some stipulations. Because just the way you presented it, I was like, it made it seem like you're going to put more and more confines on it. Just faithful and monogamous. Yeah, yeah. I could, I could do it. I could do it for sure. What did that mean? Could I have created this album as coming out if everyone was faithful and monogamous? Does the content suffer in the music? I think that if we did, I think that if we were guys that had never been on the other side of the fence, we wouldn't be able to talk about certain things the same way. It's on the other side of the fence.

The side of the side where we've done things that we can look back. The dirtier side of the grass. Yeah. Yeah. You know what the weeds and shit. I've definitely been somebody that's been in a long term, no tax money. Long term faithful relationship. Mm-hmm. And I've also been somebody that's been in shorter term relationships where I stepped out.

Yeah. I've done both. Mm-hmm. You know, I understand what it takes. to do one. That's why I say I can because I've successfully done it in my life. I know where that mental space is. So you would do that right now? I must, yeah, I could do that. But did it end for non-monogamous reasons? Did it say anyone end? Did it end because of non-monogamous reasons? If that's a word.

You know what? To be honest, I've never, I've never, I've never left me. So even when I, you know, you're fucked up, Dee. You're here coming out of D.D. Talk. Get your shit off. Jesus. A girl has never left me. Get your shit off. have fucked up and it's created terrible situations. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we worked through it and ended up breaking up and ended up breaking up. You never let her leave. Because there's a difference.

The difference is... That's still never left. I'm not holding them physically. No, no, no. I don't mean like that. Monster, you're making me... Because every guy knows there's a point of relationship where they might come at you, coming you with certain ultimatums and you're like, okay, I'll fix that. Okay, okay, I'll...

So you mean that has happened? I love the fact that this has turned into like, y'all too, like... That's why I'm trying to shut up. I'm getting no Daniel a little more. I'm trying to understand it. So you're saying that did she put new stipulations on me that I had to meet? Yeah.

Oh, for sure. Don't cheat. Mm. So I feel like when you say it like that is like, oh, anybody can kind of say that. This is what I'm saying. The girl that I... Have you all ever fucked the same girl?

Once. Once. Who fuck first? Thank you. I'm glad you asked that. I'm messy. Why did I understand? Is that a badge?

Did you know? So, so... Wanted back? So did you? I was mad. I was mad. This is the trailer. I literally asked him when you did it.

No, no, this is weird. That's weird. But I literally, hold on. Like, yo, you got a problem. Tell my nigga. Yeah. That's me. No, no, no.

Here's what happened. Okay, tell me what happened. Who was she to you? Absolutely. Yeah, she was a ting. See? This is my point. I just want to ask.

I just want to ask. Let me absolutely a queen. I just want to know, I need to get some context. It was absolutely a great friend. Yeah. That we crossed the line. Okay. I wasn't super emotionally involved.

You intended for friendship and then it just got crazy. We started out of friends, real shit. Okay. So I already knew it wasn't somebody that was super special, whatever. She starts throwing... He just said that. It was a bestie. She was my bestie.

You saw it. This is Bessie and a tessie. She starts throwing me a certain vibe. So I hit him. I'm like, yo, what's over you and so and so? He's like, nah, nothing. I'm like, you sure? He's like, nah, nothing.

Why? I'm like, because she's throwing it at me. And I'm just wondering, before I even think, of going down that road. It's like, nah, it's cool. She's not going to do it anyways. Oh, no, I hope he don't get it. Is that what you said?

Now I know where the name division came from. Oh, now we're going to have the real division. The real division just happened. Okay, so she's the line. She's the lie. I don't recall any of this. Any time a dude says I don't recall. I don't recall anything.

You said, you said she's not going to do it. No, I think that, no. You know what? We have to talk with her. A camera. Because the reason why, the reason why I was, I remember, and the reason why I stopped, we all remember why. You stopped what?

Where I stopped. I only, mind you, this is someone, this happened. This is like 10 years. No, no, one and a half times, though. Like, I didn't, I didn't really. What was the half? It was the half. Like, like, I just, I think I understand.

Matter of, halfway fucking. I barely, I barely, I can't even say one time. Like, literally both times, I stopped. Okay. Didn't even finish. Okay. Okay. Why?

Cut. I do want to end the rest of the story, though. Yeah. To continue. He literally says to me. I didn't say that to you. Yes, you did. Yes, you did.

Let's agree to disagree and move on with the story. He's like, she's not going to do it anyway. She's just playing around. I'm like, oh, cool. But I think she is. Maybe I didn't say that. Maybe I did. It's okay.

85 don't have lying eyes. Like, I got to. Maybe I said, maybe I said like she's, oh, she's, she, she, she, she, she, She stays like that. She stays flirting. And I was like, I don't think I said she's not going to do it. I think I was probably like playing it off. Like, mind you, I wasn't messing around with it for months.

And we all know the girls that have just flirts. They will flirt with anything. That does exist. And I was like, trying to give him some bail for a little bit. I was like, nah, she's throwing in a different way. She sent me some news. Yeah. In my head, I know.

Yeah. In my head, I'm like, I can tell this is more than her just playing around. So I said to him, you sure. He's like, what? Whatever. Literally. He's adding sauce right now. There wasn't, you sure?

Are you sure, my nigga? Are you sure? You sure you're good with this? No. You're good with what? If I do what I'm going to do. If I rearrange her furniture. You said to me.

If I do it to completion. You asked. Yeah. Detroit. Did I bring it to you? All you said me was, all you asked me was if I'm still talking to her, you might have mentioned that she was being whatever. And I said, oh.

I might have mentioned. He was being a good friend. I didn't know you were going to do that. You did. Why am I asking? I did it. Anyways, it doesn't matter. Moving forward.

It's moving forward. It happens. And then later on, he's like, oh, whatever happened with that? I'm like, yeah, I did that. He's like, what? You didn't tell me? I thought you didn't tell me. I'm like what?

I understand why he feel like you could or you should have told him because it's like we spoke about it. So you should at least tell him like when it went through. Okay. That's how I feel. But 85 is that you just told me you didn't care? Yeah. Not that he, I don't think it wasn't a care.

But it's kind of like, you didn't even tell me. Like, you didn't even like, yo, like, yo, yeah, nah, like, you know what I mean? We linked up. Why are you making me it so far after? Like, the girl came back, tried to spin the block on me. After she was with 85? Yeah. Oh, see, that's why you got to tell him.

So that's what I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. Me telling him was me asking him. I wasn't asking him unless I was going to do it. Oh, okay. All right. I see.

I said, me asking you what was up. No, he's going to finish. He's like, he's like, me asking what was up is me basically telling you. I'm going to do this. Did you write same girl? If you had told me... I think 85 wrote same girl. No, if you had told me there was an issue, I would have left it alone.

You were like, nah, whatever. There would have been no issue. There would have been no issue. If he came up to me and was like, yo, how do you feel about so and so whatever? I'm like, nah, it's cool, so whatever. In my head, I'd be like, yeah, he did it. Oh, so you would assume that he already. I'm not that type.

I'm not that way though. I'll tell you. I'll be like... I want to see how foul this got. At any point during your interactions with a young lady before or after, was Daniel's name ever brought up? No. With that lady?

Yes. No. Did she at any point be like, hey, can you just not tell Daniel about this? No. Okay. I never asked that question. That was good. Because we don't want no division between division.

Yeah. I feel like. Because then it gets foul. I feel like it would have got weird. Like it definitely would have been a. Absolutely. Was it multiple times? It was a couple times.

Look at Danny Dan's like, I got a new record. I'm about the right. Here's the weird part. Me and the girl were really cool too. She actually ended up getting me a job. Was she your friend before mine? Maybe. The Platt Thickens.

Yeah, might have. Like, we were just all cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you mean. So it wasn't like, it wasn't a big deal. It wasn't anything that I cared. I knew I didn't care. So it was fine.

Yeah, I used to do photography downtown on my way back. I would just slide through. I get it. I get it. I'm listening. A good slide through. A little shoulder. I understand.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Long day holding a camera. I will ask because, uh, because of where. gossiping like men. In the rap world, I see all these rappers fuck the same girl. Not to say y'all know, but you guys hang out with R&B singers. Is that the same way in the R&B world? Because I judge these rappers.

Yeah. It's the only judgment I think I have in my life. Yeah. Why are y'all all fucking the same girl? Not only that. We're doing that with the R&B guys, girls, and the rappers' girls. I was great to say. I think women now are just, you know, the ones that, the star chasers.

I don't think I know anybody that's been with an R&B guy. You don't know a single girl's been with an R&B. You guys are Eskimo brothers. What are you talking about? Y'all are Eskimo brothers. We just talked about. No, you do know one. Okay, I know one.

He's in your group. No, I mean like other R&B guys? I don't think I know any. Like, you mean girls that you're talking to? Yeah, they were with so-and-so. Yeah. I've never talked. Not that I know of.

I'm not saying it hasn't happened. You seem to know who's with who. See? Toronto is known, for me, is one of my cities where it's known for the women, just beautiful women in Toronto. As an R&B group producer, singer-songwriter, in your city, the success of the group, how has it changed with the women that you used to see around the city that were like the hot girls, like, damn, she's beautiful, like, where is it at now?

Are these girls like friends now? You have better relationships. You hang out more. With the girls that are... The hot girls in Toronto. Yeah, like the pretty girls in Toronto. So all in it. So what you're asking?

What was the question? I'm just saying like since the success of division. Yeah. Are they cool? Are they trying to be cooler with them now? But the ones that you know like back in like five years ago, 10 years ago, wasn't no conversations. Yeah.

No. He said in the song, I was lit when you met me. Yeah. Well, I'm not. Okay. No. Hold on. I'm not going to say it like that.

But in my life in history, and I think, anyways, in my life in history, usually the girl that I actually wanted was the girl that I got. Okay. There are other... All R&B. There are other women... No, I'm being honest.

I'm just being honest. But obviously there's plenty of beautiful women that say that I don't know or do you have anything to do with. But do they all of a sudden now become like, oh, we want to hang around now? You know what? I guess that's hard to tell. Because I think before,

there was nothing really to hang around. Do you know what I mean? Like the cities change in general. Okay. So now people know like those are divisions guys. That's the division crew. That's whatever. So it's kind of like they kind of know now.

Whereas before, if you're talking about five, six years ago, in Toronto, that wasn't even a thing. There wasn't any of that. Okay. There was the Toronto Raptors.

And that's it. It's not true. Drake, there was OVO and XO. Drake's been out here. Okay. What's the same besides OVO. It's been like,

they monopolized kind of, right? So I think now people, there's a lot more things going on. People know, oh, those are Tories guys. Those are so-and-so's people. That's parties people. That's, oh, they hang with the weekend. Ex-O guys. You know, all those things are happening.

So I think that that's created it now being a way more like, oh, the girl that's at the X-O's things are now wanting to come over to divisions, house party thing. Gotcha. We're getting that kind of vibe. Sounds like a Rico case. We're getting that kind of vibe a little bit more. But to be honest, I think the women in the city, we're having a different experience than a lot of other cities.

Because what it is is like you guys feel like, and I feel like I even heard you guys say this, like, you know, Toronto was discovered with Drake. No, I think Drake. I mean, for people that did know. I think Drake ruined Toronto because it was a gem. It was a fucking gem. Now everyone knows about it.

So now that everybody knows the women have changed. Yeah, they have access. Because now they realize, oh. Yeah. They know their worth. We're like, we're gems now. They know their worth. Hey, women know their worth.

As someone that loved Toronto pre-Drake, I felt like, fuck, man. Why'd you have to tell everyone about the greatest city in the fucking world? Yeah. So it's different. The, we, they know now. And that's, I mean, if you go back to our September 5th album, that's actually what we're writing the song, Angela, about the song on there called Angela. Is that her name? The girl.

Between the two of you? No. Oh, okay. That's actually the city of Toronto. Gotcha. That was a metaphor. A metaphor for the girl that y'all shared. It was the pretty girl in class that no one ever recognized.

That's what I feel like Toronto has been. Okay. I feel like the women feel like that. But now that they recognize, their whole vibe is different. Yeah. To be honest with you. Like, they moved completely different than they did five years ago. They're now completely aware, like, I can get flown out by whoever at any given.

time. So how many uh how much of an influence does drake have in the creative process for division as far as like if you record a project and you feel like your project is done is he somebody that you want to hear the project and get his feedback from? We always would want him to hear it. Um I think that we were pretty internal with our process like most of the part the only person we've ever let into this process like in any kind of real way to be honest is germane this on this album. Usually we go in the studio, it's just me and him. We do what we feel.

You know, we let, we pass it around whoever. Oh, okay, cool. You know, 40's got it. So-and-so's got it. So-and-so's got it. Okay, cool. But we're already like, we're all right, which is the beauty I think of division. It's like we're pretty self-contained.

You know, I have the hit-making platinum super producer. And, you know, I'm out here trying to be the king of R&B. Right? So I don't really, we don't really. need much else. Now, people have brought things to the table that I'm super thankful for. Like, Jermaine has brought things to the table that I'm super thankful for. A lot of other people that we've collaborated with bring things to the table that we're

super thankful for. But I think that our formula and our process, we've always kept internal. It's not just whether it's Drake or 40 or anybody. It's like literally anybody. Like, the grieving the girls around us, the friends, the family. No one hears our stuff. We kind of just lock in, do it and put it out, and then we'll see what happens. Is that kind of how the label runs with OVO?

I think it's got different relationships. It's all different. You know, like. It's been a very interesting label to watch from the outside looking in, just as a consumer. Again, I don't really know too much, but, you know, I loved Majid when they came out. Obviously, we love party. I love Majid. I love that.

Like, it's just been, it's been weird ups and downs, I feel like. with the artists that have been signed to OVO and as far as the involvement OVO has had, and I don't want to say care, because I'm sure they care, but it has felt more so a stepping stone for an artist

just to get to another place, rather than to build the label that is OVO. I think the thing that the outside outside world can't see is it's a very

freedom and creative-based label. So it's always been about like, you have the freedom to do what you want to do creatively. Make those decisions. If you want us to weigh in, we'll weigh in. If you don't, we won't. Like our first album was completely done before we even signed OVO. Yeah.

Before it's all, all right, cool. Let's do it. And put it out. Like, that was the conversation. So there's never really been that type of, um, influence on our albums. But for instance, I was just at Roy Woods listening party on the weekend.

I spoke to him and he's like, yo, me and Drapin going back and forth on this album so much. I really love his direction he's giving me on this. And what's funny, outside looking in, people would think Drake forgot about Roy Woods. I'm saying consumer-wise. I'm not saying what the truth is because I know people are sensitive. But I think each artist has their own relationships with different people within the label. You know, Magic Jordan's really close with 40. So 40's always super involved with their stuff.

Parties super tight with Drake when it comes to his albums and how they share music and how they go back and forth. With us, we're cool with everybody, but we sort of just did our own thing. And then afterwards, we were like, oh, yo, the album's done. Do you hear it yet? Okay. You know, like that's because we're just like in our own bubble. Which process do y'all enjoy more? With J.D. being more hands on, more involved or Drake being more laid back, if y'all want me to give my opinion,

or y'all want me to hear it and give you some guidance whatever i'm here for it if not i totally trust y'all to do what y'all are doing i'm i'm down for for both you know because i do see the the benefits of both okay you know like i see how there's certain things that just the two of us have to just be the two of us to get to yeah yeah there's certain things that as just the two of us we're not going to get there okay got you one i mean like i don't say one one one one thing about this album is, again, which I guess plays into if I get caught, is the album is in story form, right? And so a big part of that is the idea of being able to take people on an actual like point A to point Z, or at least point A to point F, if that's what's going to be, journey, which Jermaine really helped

understand and cultivate that, which is why we started off with that record, because that, it's like, people like, oh, division, they give us the crying in the rain R&B, or they do, you know, where's the begging and we wanted this, or used to this, whatever it might be. It's like, how do you want me to get to the crying in the rain part of the story without showing you why you cry?

Right. Until I cheat. Yeah. Until you see some bullshit. Right. And so chapter one is that, which is if I get caught, like that whole, that the reason we started with that is because that is the height, climatic moment of the ego. Yeah.

You know, this is how it feels. Mind you, I'm not saying I'm cheating. I cheat on you. Deal with that. That's not, which is how I think people sometimes hear it. Right. Because they're hearing the chanting and it's right. But what it is is because it's people, it's people's triggers to certain words.

inability to actually go through conversation that just makes you lash out against it. But after it starts to really catch you and you're like, I kind of like the song, though, let me see what he's saying. That's when the song actually really gets to hit. And I think it's hitting with the quote unquote city boys and that demographic of people and even city girls. Because as a record that is mainly about the ego, when you're in your ego, the most chances are is when you're in your ego, the most chances are is when you're you know, you're with the squad, you're dressed up, you got the bottle. That's why you see people singing in the clubs or doing whatever, because that's when you feel that way.

You're feeling yourself the most. And I think that cheating is more of an act of trying to prove that, proof to almost yourself how much you're feeling yourself or give yourself a reason to feel yourself. Right. Just to feel coveted. It's still like you're wanted. Yeah, feel desired, feel whatever. You know, he made me feel wanted.

After we dropped the record, a girl, DM, I love this relationship with my fans. everybody out there, Division fans, when you guys message to like understand like we love that we have this connection so keep it up

but no, we have to tell them I like to no real, real, real because they say some stuff that's super vulnerable they feel that they can

just talk to us like that right? That's what the space thing was great. Yeah. Cut off at the right time because it was great to get really crazy. But after we dropped the record

I had a girl DM me and say hey look I love this song. Super banger. Sounds like a hit. But I can't play it in the house. I cheated on my husband.

Wow. Look how insensitive women are. It's not in that lap. Baby D just laughed at that. So yeah. She's faithful, by the way, baby D. I was going to ask if it was her that DMs you. Demaris, that's you?

Anyways. So, yeah, she said, I cheated on my husband. And he took me back. And just out of curiosity, I said, yo, do you mind if I ask, like, you know, why did you cheat? And she was like, you know, I just finished having kids. And, you know, I wanted to feel sexy and I wanted to feel desired. And one of my old flings, he started, you know, messaging me and asking for selfies and things that made me feel attractive and sexy. and I, you know, I knew I was going back to my old town and I knew I was going to do it and I did.

And the moment I did it, I didn't feel no better. But I totally understand because I didn't stop loving my husband. I just need, I just did something to make me feel good in a moment. Impulse. And I was like, wow. Like that, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Can you direct those DMs to me so I could like respond? Yeah, no problem.

I got you. What is it, mall at AOL or something like that? At AOL.com. Hotmail.com. I'm like, you dirty scoundrel. I don't let her having an idea. On the JD, a question to both you with adding JD and Brian Michael Cox to this entire mix, what has that balance been like as far as dealing with two legends,

but also knowing your music and your- Two very humble legends too. For sure. Because I love the fact that JD still actually goes to the club and goes in the DJ booth with the record, like with all that he's accomplished is crazy. And not living in yesteryear. Yeah, I did confessions, but I'm trying to fuck with the young shit right now and keep it pushing. in the studio has that been a weird balance going like all right these are two legends that I should take advice but sometimes I know I'm right how has that been as far as working with the two of them I should take advice but sometimes I know that that balance that knowing that you know you guys are division you've been doing this shit by ourselves their opinion on something and at this point you're dealing with two legends that I know both of you've looked up to we all have and I'm sure there's been cases where you felt both that you guys were right and they were like nah do it this way and you're like I'm like I'm

All right, that's a legend, but I know this is my group. That you all knows your vision. Pretty good with that. Yeah, unfortunately, we got to a place where there's a mutual trust. All right. All right. Yeah, okay, you could do it like that. Okay, I kind of see what you're saying.

He's good with that. That's what I think makes it so that way he fits into what we're doing. Yeah. On this album, so right, because besides the fact, besides the actual music part, there's a legitimate brotherhood now. Like, this is literally like my big bro now. you know um we feel a certain a different level of connection and and a level of trust there's times where he's in there writing a record for somebody else and he'll be like hey no come here like

i don't know fix this part you know and it's like he trusts me with that jameen has never sat down and just penned a record for me and handed to me okay you know he's never done that because he's like no you got it i know what you want to include you in the process oh not that line right there is that the hook? It ain't hooky enough. He might do that. What if it's like this? You know, that kind of stuff, which 85 has always done with me.

Right. You know, he'll be like, oh, I don't know, the hook feels like it needs something bigger. Okay. You know, he's a great assistance in the writing game because of his perspective as a producer and as a song creator. So I think JD kind of takes that same approach. Which is why he probably has as many hits as he does is because he probably fits into, so many different, whatever the situation is and is able to like

adjust to what's going on. Adjust to what's going on. Adjust a maneuver. We've never kind of butt heads for a world. Like, no, I got to say, oh, baby. Right. You drive me crazy. I think we've had,

I think we've also had the comfort in the studio where we all have been wrong and can come back and be like, yeah. And remember that thing I told you to switch? I listened to it again. Yeah. I was wrong as fuck.

You know, and we've all done that. All the time. But that takes a time. It takes a lot as a creative though. Yeah, for sure. Because even in his position where, you know, he's been the hitmaker for 30 plus years, this time he'll come back and be like, nah, remember that thing I said to do with the drums? That shit sucks.

Yeah. You know? That takes a lot full of creative to like get to that point. That's a whole different level of like understanding yourself in like that studio space. That's why outside the studio is so important with like leaving what bounces because it's something about the studio that creates an environment where you feel like you're right. Just playing music so loud. Yeah. It just sounds.

Everything sounds good. The energy is different. You go home, you play it in your car, you play in your phone. This was the stupidest idea I ever had. That's what. Straight trash. Exactly. I heard Eminem still walks around like after he records.

He walks around with like a walk man. And like those type, not no special like the regular bullshit cushion to see if it is. I think our biggest thing has always been the phone test. Yeah. Well, I was able to pass a phone test. If it does, then I do that MacBook and phone. The average person is listening on a phone.

phone. Right. So it doesn't matter how big the studio is. Right. You in there, it sounds amazing. They play on their phone. It sounds like ass. And it doesn't really matter what you get in the studio.

Oh, and you've got to think with cars because so many people that make some of the bigger records have cars that have great sound systems. It's almost like the studio to some degree. I take my mother's 2014 Mazda, drive around the block. Can this work in an average car? Because it doesn't sound the same. What's the, uh, out of all the projects that you all of the projects that you have done and put out what is the one that y'all didn't you thought it would be received differently

than it was amusing her feelings uh the last one which is actually the one i called in the other pod about yeah um because of the pandemic it it kind of just changed everything we made a whole bunch of music that we felt like okay this is perfect we've toured we know what people want we're going to be outside it's summertime dida da da da and the world was locked up in the house and the Definitely got out of your slower comfort zone. Yeah. And started doing different things, trying showing you the different spots

and different rooms that we had, things that we could do. But I think it was a bad time for that. Even though people still love the album. I was going to say, I think that album is pretty revered, even with the pandemic, especially as it's aged really well.

I guess I just feel like without the pandemic, it would have gone. It was underexposed. It definitely could have reached way more places. But I don't know. I'll say the same thing about the Thai album. I think that album was also received extremely wild. Oh, the joint album of the Tidehouse song.

The mixtape, yeah. Well, I think it was just a weird place, too, coming out of the pandemic. I'm just having to get music out, and I understood. It was all, it was all, it's all timing with that. Yeah. What I love about what we're doing right now is because the first song has caused this much of a conversation, it's like, and we know everything else. that we have is like exactly everything you guys have been like dying for from R&B.

That's like, that's why I was laughing at all the reactions to this. Like, oh, it's fucking toxic R&B. The Vision did it. I'm like, I've heard the album. It's what you guys want. I like the video that you posted the other day at the studio in the gym and you were singing the lyrics if I get caught. And one girl commented and said, okay, now this is the type of R&B I'm talking about. The first joint trip, you just, y'all just put out, me and my husband was kind of like,

and everybody was like, including you, like, it's the same record. It's just, I just sang an a cappella. Like, now you can hear what I'm saying. I went to, what's so funny you mentioned that is a really weird tangent. Like, I don't know, five or six years ago, I went to a foreign exchange show the same weekend as Summer Jam. And they're like a neo-soul band and they attract that type of crowd. And they did the same experiment.

In the middle of their set, they did every single that would have been popping at summer jam in a neo soul singing way like ignorant fucking soldier boy type records right and everyone was like this is amazing it was like you realize i just did the top 10 billboard hits so people just want to hear shit the way they want to hear it they're yeah it's not really the content but it's like you said people were caught up in the sample then when they heard the beat you know it was that and it kind of just turned into something else but then when they hear the lyrics it's like oh okay then now i see artists have put out some responses, some responses. Every day, every day.

Every day, every day we see people literally online just pulling back their comments now. And that's why I'm like, I'm extra sure that like Twitter's not a real space or real place. Because like everybody, people, so many people are like, I tried to fight it as long as I could, guys. I fucking love this song. I don't tell you guys. It's catchy. It's a good record. So when is the, when is the album coming?

Or are we going with another single before the album? We're definitely going another single. We're rolling out the story. And people just, you know, got to have fun with this one while we're, well, it's, you know, it's hot and it's, it's moving the topic of conversation. But chapter two is definitely already there ready to go. We're about to shoot the video. And it's, it picks up, you know, where we're something. Sometimes your ego leaves you.

I think because Daniel Moll were dirtbags in the first video, I think 85 and I for the second one should show like married, raising our children, you know, going into church. You mean? You mean Basley? Basley? Relax. Is that the idea? That's the treatment? Yeah.

It's just you guys raising kids. 85 and I, we're going to church with our wives and kids. That ain't going. That ain't going. That ain't going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got to do something else behind that. Fuck my treatment. Who was some of the features on the album? To be honest with you, that's the last, that's one of the last pieces before we actually tie this whole album. We're going to see what features we can get on a couple of records that we have. The only one I can give you guys, which we told you guys before, we told you last time,

I think at the, the, the, what was the BT thing? Oh, yeah, the BT radio room. We got, we do have jagged edge already on one of the records, which is, in what One of my favorites. And crazy enough, they're like, pretty sure them and Usher are like the only two artists that I like ever sang like in a talent show, like their songs. That's fair. Jagged Edge and Usher. Which are now like, you know, I can reach out and a holl at them, whatever.

Right. Which is dope. But no, they, the only other features are to be determined. You know, we have who we want in mind. And hopefully they do it. But, you know, we got to see, you know, the music businesses. Well, I mean, you know, I love the fact that we did this. But, like, I think we need to, like, have, like, an off-mic talk around this project.

Yeah, we're going to victory later, right? Yeah. There we go. We've got to have an off-mike talk about this project. But I am happy that you put out the record that you put out and everybody reacted to it. Whether it was negative or positive, I just love the fact that. they reacted. I love the division that y'all caused for the,

what seemed like a week. Right. That was all over Twitter. It's still going. It's still going. Because what's crazy thing, too, about it is we're seeing the hypocrisy in a lot of people, too. We're going to see the double standards in men. Yeah.

We're going to see the hypocrisy because women are now like, yeah, as soon as they hear the woman response, there's the woman saying 10 times more toxic things than I'm saying. For sure. And they're like, yes. Empowerment. love this. Right. And I'm like, oh, wow. Okay. So, okay, I get, I get what's going on, which is great, because I think that all of this is bringing parts of ourselves to the table that we need to actually have some real conversations about if we're ever going to progress. Right. So it's forced the culture to have a conversation. It's ringing out in these clubs and these parties and, you know, radio's already picked it up. So it's great that it's, it started off the way that it did. And, you know, it sets the tone for it for a good story. for sure. All right, well, if there's any other shit

y'all want to get off before we do part two when the album comes out? Yeah, all you R&B Nick just somebody in R&B, come on, who can't say? Y'all was at the Verses. I saw we were all in LA

we weren't there, but you were, did you go to the Verses as well? Yeah, yeah. Like, honestly, like, how did you feel hearing some of them dudes live that we used to really think was like, yo, this was the shit? This is my thing.

In all of the verses, I feel like, in all of the verses, I feel like, we know who is who and what's what. We should prior to the verses. Some of the people that I see people killing for certain things, I'm like, did you really believe ever that this was something different prior to?

That's the brother that confuses me. Yeah, but you make music. They don't. Yeah, it's a different line. So for me, it wasn't, it's not shocking. Because even I knew. Like, some people hit me was like, yo, I didn't know that so-and-so couldn't really sing.

I didn't know that so-and-so. And I'm like, how did you not know that? Yeah, how did you not hear it? that. Yeah. Like, I'm not saying so-and-so. Who?

Well, I won't say because I didn't, I'm not the one that said it. But what I will say is those four guys, RSVP, R-J, R-Sv-P, Ray J-Samee, Pleasure P, by Valentino.

Like, those guys, one, all have records that we love. For sure. And they all contributed to a great night in the culture. Great night of entertainment. Great night of entertainment. There was a great night of entertainment.

Salute to all of them. And they need a goddamn, they need a reality show after that. Well, they have one. They definitely have one coming. I'm positive. Yeah. Exactly.

They need that. They need that. They need to. Wack 100. That sounds great. It sounds crazy at first, but it's like, wait. Do you see Ray J's, um, thing where he's trying to sell? Everything.

Uh, what is that ice cream or a burger? Something, something, something. And fries. Something. You don't see that against that? No. I did a whole slogan. I didn't catch the jingle.

This is after. Yeah. This is after the verses. So Ray J, I already know what it is with him. Like he's, he's, he got to play. He's a marketing genius. Of course. He's an entrepreneur and he knows that he has a personality and a vibe and, you know, music running through his bones. So he's just going to make it do with a do.

He's going to make it work. You know what I mean? I'm not expecting him to go up there and be Michael Jackson every day. Right. You know, why are we doing that? Shout out to Ray J. Shout out to Pleasure P. Sammy, Bobby V.

All of them. Marion and the watermelon. Actually, came to our single release party the other day in Atlanta. Oh, yeah? I looked across the, the. the club and I saw Pleasure P, Bobby Valentino and Ray J. And I was like, what? The Verses is here.

You should have said where Sammy. This is crazy. The Verses is here. I don't know. Part two. Get the mics. I don't know where Sammy was actually. Sammy, where are you at?

All right, man, well, look, we're going to definitely make sure we sit down and chop it up again once the album drops. Yeah, for sure. Maybe we come to Toronto. Yeah, wherever we are at the time. Yeah, wherever y'all at. All might be. Who knows?

Miami. Having a very consistent week. I want to go I want to go wherever 85 is going because I want to be pretty consistent Yeah I want to be pretty consistent

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