New Rory & MAL - Jade Cargill's World Takeover

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

We got a bonus Friday episode for the Fam. Rory and Mal are joined by WWE Superstar Jade Cargill to preview her SummerSlam title match vs Tiffany Stratton, and get a few lessons on what it takes to become a WWE Superstar. #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, Roy, we are back. Today we are joined by someone who is preparing this weekend to take over the world of wrestling. I believe she is, we're blessed to be in the presence of the new WWE women's champion. I'm calling it early, Jade. I'm sorry. I appreciate that. Keep it rolling. I love the accolades.

He did call this in the group chat. Maybe two weeks ago? Yeah, she's just, it is what it is. It's just time for us to all recognize it. But I hope that she'll come back and show us the belt. I got you. The title, the title, the title. The title.

We are joined by Jade Cargill, A.k.a. Storm. I can out rebound you. AKA that big. Yeah. That's who we with today. How are you feeling, Jay? I feel immaculate. How do you guys feel today? Listen, I feel good.

I just don't, I can't believe you're here in the studio with us because you have to take over MetLife Stadium in about 48 hours. Yeah. So I would think that you would be somewhere staring in the mirror, listening to Rocky. I don't know. Like, how do you prepare for this? This is probably the biggest moment of your career, no? It is. It's my first, well, I'm going for this title solo.

You know what I'm saying? It's the biggest title. Yeah. It is. It's a lot of pressure, but pressure makes diamonds. That's what I do. Okay. So you ready?

I'm ready. I'm beyond ready. That's what I do. No, I think, I think, listen, I was telling my boys last way. I said, yo, I think Tiffany's in trouble. I was like, I just, I've been watching. Yeah, I've been watching. Time is up.

You just with the fellas chilling. No, because we have, we talked out, we talked about wrestling. We talked about wrestling and, and obviously, SummerSlam is here this weekend. So I was just like, yo, I just feel like Jade is the new champion. She's going to be the new face of women's wrestling, absolutely. They hate that. They hate it.

But you know what? LeBron got haters. Everybody got haters. Everybody got haters. It is a lot of haters. Look at him. Look at this guy here. It's beautiful.

How could you hate that face? So what's the strategy going into Saturday? Just going out there and dominating the rain like I normally do. Showing people exactly who I am and why I'm going to be in the position that I am after I raise that title when I win. just going out there and muscling doing what I do best What are you listening to?

Like on the way to the stadium What you were supposed to playing in the locker room Like how are you preparing yourself? I listen to Meg the Stallion I listen to Glorilla I listen to Nikki I listen to a lot of women Just empowering women that go out there

And they don't take no shit Like they're out there like you know what I'm going to do this I'm going to do that and doesn't matter what you think about me And that's what I like listening to before I got that But now I'm having to like mellow out just a little bit so I don't break no one's neck. Mm-hmm. I thought that was the point, though. No, it's not.

It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. What Glorilla record gets you in the mode to break somebody's neck? Yeah, glow. I don't know where she get that lyric from, but it's so creative. Yeah. I want to know for you because your years in wrestling, you've been through a lot of changes. But for this moment now, in starting wrestling, did you envision this moment, this, this moment where I am getting ready to become the champion?

Yes. How does it, does it feel like everything you've thought about, gearing up to it, like mentally, physically? Like, is it everything you thought it would be? Or is like, whoa, this is a, this is heavier than I thought it would be? It's kind of two separate answers I can give you. Because we have so many PLEs back to back to back. It all comes so quick. Paperview.

Okay. It's our version of saying pay-per-view. It just comes so quick. Like in two weeks we have Bash and Paris. Yeah. You really don't have a lot of time to sit in it because you're off to the next thing. Yeah. So it came so quick.

So I don't, it's more like, whoa, it's already here. Wow. This moment's already here. The other side is I always knew I was going to be here because I feel like before you have something you should envision it. Yeah. I'm going to be a Hall of Famer, whether people like it or not. what I'm going to do. That's what I'm going to accomplish. That's what I came here to do. I would have never entered this sport if I thought any less. So, yeah, I knew I was going to be here.

That's the two separate questions for you. No, listen, I respect that. And I think that, you know, most champions and people that obviously are high-level athletes feel like that and think that. But it is a different thing to be 48 hours away from it being in front of you. Like that. Is it like because, you know, I know, obviously, You're prepared. You're in shape, but you're still human. You're still, it's just, the nerves are just like, is it like, let's hurry up and get to it? Or is it like, you know, you got to kind of like pace yourself?

Let's hurry up and get to it. Okay. I like to get it over with. You're ready to just kick some ass. I'm ready to get it over with. Like the anticipation and people talking about it is what makes me sit back like, okay, all right, we got 48 hours. All right, now I got to wait, 48 hours. Here we go.

Instead of me just getting right to it. I'd rather just get right to it. And then we can talk about it after. Now, have you and Tiffany been talking? shit online, like tweeting. I haven't been paying attention to the post. Like, have y'all been throwing shade at each other? No, not really.

Not really. We're both baby faces. So we're out there just trying to be great, go out there, and represent for the little girls out there. It's not like Naomi, who is trying to rip me apart on social media. It's really mild compared to it. Yeah, and that was kind of crazy. That whole Naomi thing.

Man, man. And I don't even get on Twitter like that, but I had to check my Twitter. I checked my Twitter weekly three times, like three times a week, because Twitter's here, there, a lot of opinions, whatever, whatever. With Naomi, I had to check my Twitter three times a day because she was at it. I mean, adamant with everyone, everyone. I'm like, oh my gosh, girl, like, do you not look at your Twitter, like turn off your

notifications, whatever you call it? But this girl is doing too much, like way too much. Attack in front, back, up, down, everything. It was a lot. So do you take energy like that? Like, say somebody's talking crazy on the timeline and you've got a crazy big fight coming up. Do you store that and be like, all right, I'm fucking somebody up?

all the time all the time my feet off hate I love it I love it I love it I love it type of stuff I save it and I reposted it say remember you said this yeah I love it bring your phone to the ring like you remember this tweet yeah I love it because I love it like yeah let me say this when I went when I win this title let me you said oh yeah yeah clock so now growing up were you always a fan of wrestling like who was some of the the women that you watched and you were just inspired because you were always an athlete you

play basketball, wrestling is obviously totally different. I mean, in Florida, you have to wrestle, I feel like, every day. Yeah, that's for promotions where, yeah. Yeah, you might have to wrestle every day living in Florida. You get off the plane in Fort Laudadale and you just get put in a headlock. Are you from Florida? No, but. Wait, hold on, slow it down.

I feel like, I'm like, I'm attacking Floridian here. Listen, I know we get crazy. Anytime my mom and me go visit my dad, I'd be like, do I have to? I know it's crazy. I know we're from a month and everything like that, slow and down. Ryan County is terrifying. Slow it down. Don't do too much now.

So now, was you always just a fan of wrestling or was it something that as you, you know, getting older and being an athlete, you were like, you know, I want to try that. I grew up watching wrestling like everybody else did. I admire China, jazz, love them growing up. I didn't see women that look like me. You don't know about Mae Young, though. Everybody knows about May Young. You don't know about you.

Everybody knows. You don't know about you. Listen, listen. You wasn't there. Listen. I think she was like in her 60s maybe when she took that. She might have been 130. Listen, she's a legend.

Everybody knows her. She has a tournament. Like, she's, but everybody watched wrestling growing up. I used to have to fight boys because they didn't want to wrestle with me. Like I used to run down the street, but I was going to say butt naked, woof, barefoot. No, wait, Jay, Jay, Jay, Jay. No, wait, Jay, Jay, Jay. I'm glad that that's what you made because that's what I thought and I don't want to be with.

No, I was going to say. Barefoot. That's really back in. Because that's a different type of wrestler. I know, don't make anything out of that. Really back in. Bare foot. I used to get skin knees and elbows and bloody nose because I legit had to fight because they were like, oh, I don't want to wrestle with you because you're a girl.

I'm like, okay, bet. How? So you start the fight? Oh, all the time. But then I got involved in sports and that's when I got away from the wrestling. Do you have siblings? I do. I have four.

Is it like a mid-boy? I'm the middle. No, it's four girls, one boy. And I ran with my brother. Yes, four, but I rail with the boys. Like I was the one. And where's your brother? Is he the oldest, young?

No, we're seven months apart. Same mom, same dad. I was born. He had it rough. Yeah, and then my mom right away didn't take that grace period. Yeah. Pregnant right away had twins. They come early.

So we're all the same age for seven months. Oh, my gosh. So when you started playing ball, what's the quickest you ever fouled out? Oh, my gosh. Oh, I'm aggressive. I'm aggressive. I think the, I think it was like the third quarter when my coach left me in. Oh, you was out there hacking shit.

Oh, but, but, but, man, it. Third quarter, but you sat the whole second quarter. All the things were kind of like flip floppy at that point. Like, for example, someone can, you could be outside the line and you can take a block or whatever. And, you know, like, it's a file now. Yeah. Regardless if you just made a bucket or whatever like that, you're going for a layup. Like, it was a shady weird time.

You let your team rebounding, though? Yeah, I did. So you was aggressive. I did. I had to be because they moved me to my post my senior year. And I'm 5'10. These girls are like, 6-2, 6'3. I got to do something.

You know how crazy it is now for those girls you play basketball against, be looking at you and be like, yo, I had to box out the world wrestling champion. I'm pretty sure they have stories. My coach yelled at me because I couldn't get a rebound. She's the fucking champion. Or the boys that was on her block that are now adults going to, yo, she whooped my ass. I was terrible. Like, if I was a coach and I had me as a player, I would have cut myself from the team.

I was cocky. I thought I knew it all. I was a trash talker. But that's how I like had it. Like I was like, what you're going to do? I was very shrew. You were just preparing for your wrestling life. That's it.

I was rude. I was ruthless. But that's what I needed. I had that mamba thing going on. Like I just felt like I had to have something in my head. Like that's just what it was. And you tell me, like, okay, talk. Finally would you talk.

It's over. I got you. Now, obviously, aesthetically, a lot of people align you with Storm. Yeah. The Marvel character. Was that intentional? Was that kind of like what you were going for? And have you ever had a chance to have a conversation with Hallie Berry?

I just got that question No I didn't Yes But I would love to She's astounding Had a hell of a career Charisma off the charts I would love to sit down

To have a talk prayer How she embodied that role But no It was not something that I was I seen it I loved it My girlfriend said

Hey You ever thought about dye your hair This color Sorry let's try it out I tried it out I liked it It was different

And in the wrestling world Because I just started wrestling You want to be different And I was like I don't see anybody With this color hair Let's try it out We loved it.

And I love Storm. So I was just like, okay, like I will always dress up, do cosplay with Storm. But I always had like the synthetic type wig. And so what it came about, it's just something that clicked. Okay. It just clicked. And from there. But I love Marvel.

Like, I'm a huge Marvel fan. I'm a huge Storm fan. I feel like in the ring, I control the weather. I get people to stand up. I get him to sit down. I get him to boo me. Jay, cut the shit. You're going to be casted in a Marvel.

You're going to be, you're going to be, you're going to be, you're going to be Cast it in a Marvel movie soon as storm. He's been doing his homework. Look at you. Another one of my catchphrase is. Why do you think we sit in here? That's just, this is what it is. I appreciate the pure poetry.

I can control the weather. I was like, yeah. Yeah. But I do. I see that. Like it makes perfect sense for them to cast you as the new storm in yeah. Absolutely.

Let's see how it goes. Yeah, this is all part of it. This is, no, Marvel is tricky. But I just think that where you are and where you are lining yourself, it just, those type of things just are a no-brainer. It makes sense. Now, I don't know what... Let's speak it, yes.

Now, I don't know how nervous you are. Well, there's some acting in what you do. You have to kind of have, you have to have a lot of personality. There's a guideline. So movies, I'm guessing, is a long net. But I can definitely see Marvel like, yo, you know what? She's the champion. Let's just do it.

It makes sense. Let's do it. I would love it. I would love it. You hear that. Marvel. Yeah, I make sense. Absolutely.

No, they're watching for sure. Marvel, they tune in their like a returning listener. Listen, let's make this money. James Cameron's looking right through that lens. For sure. For sure. You feel it. I was nervous to this interview because I'm a novice wrestling fan,

and wrestling fans are the meanest people on the internet. And he said it's fake, Jay. Jade, he said it's fake. Put him into Boston crap. I wouldn't even know. It's an art. It's an art. Shout out to Unreal, the documentary that's out now.

It's an art. It's an art. I think it's an art. It's not all this, like I have, I am so bruised up. It's crazy. It's not fake at all. Everything we do hurts. Every time you take a bump hurts, we build up calluses, but it hurts.

If I go two weeks without taking a bump, it hurts. It's like brand new. Hitting those ropes, everybody thinks is rubber bands and a trampoline. That's plywood on top of a thin, under a thin mat. Like, all that stuff hurts. You're fighting gravity. You have someone jumping on you. There's no strings.

Like, it's not fake. Now, is it predetermined? Maybe. Maybe. But some people go out there and they literally don't know who's winning until the end. That's how it works. Some people don't have the match planned out. Some people, like John Cena can go out there and just, he's a pro.

This is what he does. It's not as easy as people think it is. There's so many levels and that's where unscripted comes in. And this is why wrestling fans are extremely mean. Because I never said wrestling was fake. I think you guys are tremendous. Why you did that him? You set him up. I had said one time on one podcast that like I didn't keep up with wrestling as much as other people and I was destroyed for, I think if I refresh my mentions now, yeah, you're not a man. They're still killing me. So I wanted to ask what is the most interesting meet and greet experience you've ever had? Yeah, who tried it, Jade? Who got knocked out at meeting greet? I think when I was doing the whole step on me thing, there was a lot of men. that legit wanted me to like punch him and step on them.

And like one guy wanted me to spit on him. Like it was kind of like, it was, it was the weirdest. This is the opposite of the Chris Brown Mingling. It was the weirdest thing. And I felt. And this is how you did the Chris meeting room. And I felt like, it all started because this one girl wanted me to like choker. And I was like, all right, cool.

Like we can get the photo out. Oh, so then everybody got ideas after that. Oh my gosh. But that's when I was doing the step on me thing, but not like legit stepping on people. It just was a thing I was saying. Yeah. And so there were signs and things of that. and I had the batty section.

Yeah. But this guy wanted me to spit on him, degrade him, stump on him, and I had on heels. And I was just like, this is the weird. That's the weirdest thing. Wrestling fans. I had to deal with. And I was playing to cool.

Did security get what he was sitting in? Like, was he was a eye in the sky on him for a little bit. Like, he was just like, he'd be spit. Oh, he wanted you to do the sneaky spit. I was like, okay. And then I was, all right, I'll put my hill on you. And I'm like, okay, this is funny. He was like, just spit on me like, quick, quick, like loud.

I was like security. Like this is not, this is not. Having to call security, does somebody want you to spit on them? I was like, you'll be shocked. You know, that is crazy. I was so, I had to take like a minute because it was such like a weird feeling and vibe. Because even when he got up, he was like just grabbing my leg to like climb up. It was odd.

What is the, what is the one thing that you were totally surprised about when you got into wrestling? Like aside from it physically, the physical toll, what was the one thing that you was like, oh, okay, this is way more than I anticipated. The travel. Okay. The travel is insane. If we could teleport and just be somewhere, it'll be easier. But we're home, maybe two, three days out the week if we're lucky.

When I was a tag champ, I was working all three shows. And that was demanding my mom. You know, I feel like you go home to gather yourself. And I didn't have that time. Like, our hotel at this point, the hotel is our house. That's what it is. you live out of your suitcase? So the family comes with you?

They're on a row with you? Depending. In the summertime, yes. But throughout the school year, no. Nobody's trying to go to jail. But it's demanding. And we share our lives with the universe, the WWE universe. And it's so much, it's only so much that you can hide.

And the fans. I wasn't anticipating the fans because I've dealt with MLB fans. I've dealt with football fans. Wrestling fans are a whole other world. That's why I'm not going to summer's life. It's just a whole other world and you have to have thick skin because they will hit low. Yeah. Like they will hit super low.

So I wasn't, I could say that was like a, okay, I played basketball. I'm used to people talking shit. But whoa. Yeah, this is the whole. This is crazy. And if I say something, I'm wrong either way. Whoa. So that part was kind of like a step back thing.

Now, what's the temperature with you and Bianca? Like, what's going on there? Why you had to ask this question? Because I just went like, you know, like, is it, you know, are y'all cool? Is everything, you know, I'm just trying to, I told you, I'm watching. I pay attention. Why is you ask this question? Because I want to know.

I mean, at one point it was like, you know. Everybody wants to know. Yeah, so I'm one of everybody. This was like when Destiny's child broke up. We want to know. Yeah, we want to know. I love that. We want to know what's going on.

Is it love? Is it peace? Is it war? Is it living? Is it on when you, is it on site? Let's just move to the next question. Why would you, why would you even? No, I just, I just wanted to know.

I just wanted to know why he asked it either. I'm on her side. Like, why would you even ask that shit? I'm a fan. That's weird as you would ask that question. I want to know. We went through a lot. We went through a lot.

Yeah. Let's just. Okay. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clever Taylor the 4th.

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And I have a resting bitch face. Same. And people don't like confident people. Okay. People don't like women. I think the world doesn't like, if someone's like, oh, you look good, I'm like, thank you. And somebody would turn out and like, who does she think she is? Yeah, yeah.

But what else was you supposed to say? Thank you. I don't know. That's just how the world is weird. You can't, they want you to, the world wants you to be confident and to know yourself, but it doesn't. You can know yourself, but not too much. But not with me. Don't go overboard.

But don't make me feel uncomfortable with your confidence. Right. So I would say that Like they don't Is that? You prefer it that way though Being a hill? Yeah

Yes It's an extension of myself I'm cool I'm chill I'm cool, chill, calm Relaxed I don't get out of myself Until it's time

I think everybody has two sides Like you're chill But if somebody try it You'll turn up Right Anybody will Right That's a human thing

Yes But when you're strong Athletic or wrestler But I'm just chill, but my heel character has turned to 1,000 power. Yeah. That's it. It's just an extension of who I am. Now, being a baby face,

I'm not a smile like me, I dance type of person. I'm just not. I'm a stoic person. I walk out, I'm very, you know, I'm not, let's go, cheer from me. My voice gets hoarse. My voice is very low. Right now I have high levels, but when I'm upset, my voice gets very low. Like, that's just how it is.

And I think being a baby face, you have to care. And as a heel, I'm like, I don't give a damn if you like me or you don't. Right. Who cares? Right. I know I like myself. Right. And what I eat shouldn't make you shit?

Right. Like, that's how I walk in a room. Yeah. And baby face. And that can be intimidating for some people. Oh, it is. People's insecurities obviously are on display, yeah. It is.

And it's just being a hill is just me. Like I'm cocky. I talk my stuff, but now being on stage, you just turn it up to the max. Yeah. When you say you don't need this, you can see how, you know, some wrestling fans and they may take that the wrong way. I always, what does she mean she doesn't need this? Does that mean she doesn't love it? Does it mean she doesn't, she isn't passionate about it?

No. No, no, no, no, no. I'm beyond passionate about it. The difference is, is I, before this, I was a child psychologist. Mm-hmm. Well, I'm married to someone who played baseball for 17 years. He wants me to stay home and live the retirement life with him. We own a professional softball team.

I can do that. So I'm here strictly out of love. Okay. So it's a difference for someone having to stay in something because this is how they provide for their family. Yeah. And I commend people that do that. I'm here. I take all the bruises and I take all the slack and all the talk and all that because I genuinely want to be here.

I can quit tomorrow and just be. like I would never do that. But I can literally. But you can't if you wanted to. I don't, I wouldn't never do that. Right. Because I genuinely love it. Like, and I, I said what I was going to do and I'm going to do it.

Like it is what it is. I'm going to be a legend. I already dreamt it. It's already out in the universe. Hate it or love it in 10 years or whatever it is that I've become. People are going to sit back and say, oh, wow, she was really great. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah.

But it's not because of, oh, like, it's not like that at all. That's just because I genuinely love the sport and I want to do it. You said that you obviously dealt with the MLB world. How has your husband been dealing with the wrestling world? At first he didn't want me to do it at all. Like, at all was just like, even my mom was like, why you want to do that? You want to hurt yourself? Go model, go do something.

Yeah, yeah. Mom don't understand that at all. Like, why would you want to, you're going to hurt you? yourself and I'm like don't put that energy out there I'm not going to hurt myself yeah there's something else you could do why don't you want to do that my mom didn't understand he was more so like for what like you know I met him when I was 22 I wanted to be a child psychologist I did that he was just like why yeah so then I went to the child and all went great and then he was like oh this is about to get real I said yeah it's about to get real this is what I'm going to do but he didn't want me to do it at all

and now he's seeing how much work that I've put in. He's proud of me. He's like, oh, my gosh, I'm so happy you stuck with it. Like, I would have never thought you would think of it. Look at the change in emotion, yo, what am I doing? And then once wife, you're about to become champion, you're like, you listen, I'm proud. You know, I knew you was always going to do it.

He was going to be ringside and throw her baseball bat on Saturday. I want you to mess up your body. I want you to retire with me. Like, what are you doing? And I'm like, I think what you did was great. But I want to do something for myself. Right. Like, I think I can do this.

I can do the child psychology thing when I'm done with this forever choose to. But I want to create something that's legendary for our daughter. Like, I want my daughter to say, oh, my dad did this. Yeah. But I want her to say, but my mom, my mom did this. Right. And that's inspiring to me. So he has his career.

It's different now because he's like the stay-at-home dad. And now I'm the one always gone. So it's a literally upside-down world. Now, what you? Again, speaking, speaking it into existence, but you being champion, what does, what do you hope that does for the little black girls in Florida, New York, California, just as far as like representing something for them to look forward to say, like, she represents greatness, she represents strength. Storm is in the studio. Yeah, control the weather. I said that.

I bring the storm everywhere. She broke is literally storming. But what do you, what do you think about, or do you think about those little girls at home looking at Jade this weekend? I do. And it's such a fine line with me because I'm not for kids. Like, being very real, I'm not for kids. I'm sexy. I curse.

I'm grown. I'm not. I'm just not. But I do love to hear that I am an inspiration for little girls. girls who see me, they're like, oh, I love how you look. Your confidence radiates, all this kind of stuff. Like, I want to be like you. I love it.

I never, I never wanted it. Yeah. But I love inspiring little girls that you can do any and everything you put your mind to. I started this at 27. Right. And for a lot of people that can be late. But I was like, you know what? I'm going to give this a shot.

I'm going to give them all. Let's see what we are. Look where I am now. Mm-hmm. And we had somebody like jazz and Jacqueline who did these phenomenal things for me and Bianca and Naomi. Um, can you caught that. I want you to catch a close-up in Jerry.

So it's great that people see us, like these little girls see us and they know like, I can do that. Yeah. But yeah, I can do it better because that's what we want them to say. Just as much as jazz, we looked at jazz. We looked at Jacqueline. We're like, I want to do that, but I can do better. I can reach there.

And now they can reach there. And the next generation can reach there. That's all we want to do. Yeah. Just create bigger footprints for the next generation. Now you have a daughter? I do. Would you be happy if she told you mom I want to wrestle?

Like how, as a parent, right, that face, like, how does that, you know, because now you're your mom now, right? Oof. Like, do you say, okay and just kind of like cringe on the inside, but still like, obviously you want her to do what she wants to do and succeed? She's getting a great education first. Okay. Something she could fall back on a trade, something first. Right. And then if she wants to pursue wrestling,

go at it. I'm a very supportive mom. I'm like, go at it. I'll tell her if she's not good or whatever you want to call it. Like, okay, well, let's use that trade. But as long as she gets a phenomenal education,

something that's steady that she can always go back to, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. I don't know. I think the way Braun did it with his son, I think you might have to do that. Mother, daughter in the league

at the same time? Listen, mm-mm. I'm okay. I'm okay. That would be the crazy shit of. You can hold that idea. It's fine. You can have that one.

And then that show has to start like 17, 18. Yeah, yeah. Get right to it. Man, it's called a bump car and it goes up. And your body, you feel, when you're 22, you'll feel like you're like 35. Yeah. It's crazy. It fills up really quick.

So you obviously, I feel like this weekend, again, Jade will be champion, Rory. She already said that she will bring the title back. Yes. Now, Jade, if Rory and myself wanted to get into wrestling, like what would we have? have to, you know, like, you already had somebody back there. It's like, no, because, you know, baby D. Just, you know, she, she don't believe in our abilities and she don't think that we could do it. But if me and Rory- She gives Bianca Vives.

I'll say that. Yeah, like, she's definitely Bianco. But like, if me and Rory wanted to be tag team champion. Pause. Well, yeah, pause that. Like, what do we? How do we prepare ourselves? Like, how do we, you know, like, what is our first order of business?

Going to the PC. What is the PC? It's down in Orlando. It's a training facility. Oh, so what is we? we have to train. So what was that about a month to month? Most said we'd have to train.

For sure. No, I'm thinking we could go, we can pull up Sunday with Jade, bro. Like, we can go Sunday and kick some ads. For sure. For sure. Sign some liability forms. In case you die. Yeah. So what?

In case you die. Oh, you die. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. It's a lot of things that. I was going to say, Jay made that big.

You die. You die. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But train, like, getting your mind ready.

It's not that easy. It's really not. all these celebrities that come into, they are all training. It's not just walking into the system. I don't know what the internet paints, but they're working on. Like two, three, four months?

Initially? Oh, right. Oh, you guys. Yeah. No, we would need four years. A decade maybe? Yeah, we would need five years. I don't.

So when I work with Daniel Bryan, he was telling me, like, you don't get comfortable until like seven years. Like, he didn't get comfortable until seven years. I'm four years and a little bit of change into the game. Yeah. And my first match ever was on national TV. So it's such a weird thing because most people before they get on TV, they've had a plethora of matches.

I didn't. Like the world see me as raw as you can get someone. So it would take a while. It would take a while. But it depends on like how athletic you eyes are. Like it depends on how good you are. You got that it factor. I was that.

I was at one point. The toe booth still clicking. I can still knock down the three. Yeah. I can still knock down the trash. Other than that, I can't do nothing. At one point I was, but I have a two-year-old. a dad weight. I need, I need, I need a decade. You think you have weight? That's not weight.

I need a decade, absolutely. At this point, Amara, I mean, at least I chase her, my cardio's great because I chase a two-year-old all the time. But other than that, I'd very much be easily suplexed. I'll just put it that way. Okay, you'll take the suplex. Pause. Not give it. Oh, see. The wrestling fans going to kill me in the YouTube comments. Oh my gosh. But with that said, I wasn't even thinking training. I was more thinking if we come up with a good name, is that even worth going to Orlando? If we don't have the brand together already, why would I even train? Yeah.

That comes second. Oh. So branding comes after training. Yeah. Okay. That's how you do at the PC. You can come up with stuff. But they can have you on the side.

They can have you on the side. Yeah. But it's your ring of ability as well. I'm coming in full costume. You know, like the guy that shows up to the court with all the headbands and what are you going to do? What are you going to do? Get suplexed. Yeah, I'm trying to think like...

Then your whole, like, whatever, unless that's your character to get suplex all to just come out, suplex. I mean, I know they pay well. Kind of like the Kool-Aid man, it just jumps through. No, that shit hurt too much, man. Don't suplex to me. You're being the Kool-Aid man for... Jumping through, just jumping through?

I would be like a good... Just being the ragdoll wrestling. If you give me the right check, I would do it. I see private school prices and I'm fine with it. Yeah. You get paid a lot of money. Yeah. You're paying a lot of money.

Throw me into the second. Throw me on the Westside gun. Oof. Jay, do you use any. of your, I guess, your psychology, do you use that in your matches at all? Like, does that brain clicking during your matches? Just controlling the match. Like, just trying to stay calm throughout the match, taking my techniques and breathing and things of that sort, because when I was a child psychologist, I would have to breathe with my kids because they would get so worked up in

situations. And sometimes you have to think like a kid and you have to, because when you're doing And some, it's like, you know, your jittery, like, and anxiety and your, it's, you have to calm down. So I would use breathing techniques. But for the most part, no, unless it's a kid out there, but all of us are adults. Like, I'm going to talk to you like an adult. I guess. Or that's your way to shit talk. Well, I'm just good at that.

I have a degree for you. Yeah, that's part of your persona. Yeah, but that's something totally different. I was gentle with people. I talk shit. It's a, it's a different. I can, I can mind and mess with you mentally, but it's a whole. different type of game.

Whole different type of game. Can we make your playlist to listen to on the way to the event? Like, can we put together, you already told us who you like to listen to. Okay. Can we come up, like, Rory and I come up with a whole. What would be a song that you, right now off the head? I mean, I would say just walk out with Nucky Buck just like this. Let's bring it back to 2005, guys.

I ain't going to lie. I love Nuck. The kids today, do they even know Nuckin'Uvok. I see your Jamaican nails. How can we get Vives Cartel to walk out with you? I don't know. I would love that. But I feel like, listen, I would love that, especially for my country.

Mm-hmm. I don't think the fan base. If you see you losing, he might start tripping. No, no. All those charges were alleged. I think the fan base would sit and be like, who is this guy? Yeah. And that would, like, just ruin the whole moment.

But to me, that would be cool. Like, that's what's cool with bringing that culture into wrestling. I'm with you. I'm with you. So, I've even seen, like, what, like, what? I got a gun and Dizza and Wale and everyone have done with hip hop and wrestling. Like, where dance hall can't do the same. It gets weird.

It gets weird. It's a very like, wrestling. Wrestling fans are very hard. I wouldn't say they're hard to please, but they like their community. First of all, he said spit on me, step on my, yeah, they're hard to please. Very demanding. Very demanding. It's hard to play.

Spit on me, step on my face. That's a hard person to please. They're not all like that. And if you're the guy after him, how do you follow that? I don't know. I just want to fix it. It was like, kids, two people down. I was like, are you watching this?

You know, like, I just want to sell me. So it's like, it's, and I, the dad probably was like, yeah, go up there and like, grab her. I've had a little boy grab me before, which I'm like, lock these people up. That's when you should have got your child psychologist's back to talk to the dad. I was just like, you're raising a demon. What the fuck is wrong with you? He looked at me like, yeah. I was like, oh, whoa, what is that?

He waited for that. You made it all six years for that. Yeah. Did you pick your walkout song yet? Or do they pick it for you? No, I picked my walkout song. What song you're walking out to? You mean like this weekend?

No, my theme song. It's going to be my theme song. Damn, you should walk out the shook ones, Mobb Deep. That'd be hard. It's not that easy. That's a not hard. She was mad at 05. You're going to 94.

What is? Mob Deep. Shook ones? I know Mob Deep is. Can I play it? Yeah. It's one of the greatest songs of all time. Like you want.

Life would erupt. I'm just picturing Jayne walking out to Shook one. Don't kill me that I don't know the song. What's the song? Shook ones. Shook ones. It's one of the greatest rap songs ever.

I found it. Part two. I don't know the song. I love a... You know this song, Jade. She's from Florida. You have to remember that. You know this song.

Everybody knows the song. I know. I feel like I know this beat. Okay. That's way too calm. Yeah. What? At MetLife.

Deadlight. My song is... You let her. Take. Let me take the scenario, champ. Let me pick the scenario. Jay standing there with the head looking illustrious, shoulders, everything. Her triceps is glistering and mocked.

Shook ones, come on. Are you kidding me? Y'all, y'all trimming. We got to buy that. You hear that? 75% chance of rain with shook ones. Oh, my. Jay, this is your prince per rain at the Super Bowl moment.

It's going to actually rain while you're wrestling. The spirit of prodigy will come down. I'm going to look into it. But I was at the time. I need a nasty electric guitar. That's, I just, I'm an electric guitar person. I am. I'm sure.

The electric stove, the gas didn't. They're not hearing it in the beat. Jay, that represents in struggle. But I need, I need a good, I just, that's my thing. Like, that's just my thing. I love an electric guitar. I don't know. I just, I love it.

So if you can give me something on electric guitar. Yeah, but you can probably come out to welcome to the jungle. Something like, no, I'm coming out to my theme song. No, respect to your theme song. I'm just saying if it's raining, Jay, it's staying in here. Metalite Stadium. Yes. And Shook On's come on and you just standing at the top of the ramp?

Hands out here flowing. Triple H will come out and kiss your feet. He's going to be like, I don't know what you just did, but we cracked the cold. Oh my God. We crack the fucking cold. Let me see if I get them to buy it. We'll see how it goes. Triple H will, well, he's, I think he listens to rap.

I think he listens to hip. He does. He listens to everything. He knows Shook On's Mob Deep. I guarantee. If you, if you say that, he's going to look at you. Like, what you know about that? Okay, we'll see.

I'm going to go. He's like, okay, we'll look into it. That's going to be the most incredible, one of the most incredible moments. When it happens, you guys say, I made that happen. Let's see. Oh, if he can buy it in the next 24 hours, I will call Havoc and he will wrap it with you. It was not happening in the next 24 hours. Havis will be at some of Slim, but y'all want to tap right now.

Absolutely. Jay, good luck this weekend. Who needs luck? Well, you know, I do. Jay, talk you poppy. Just pop it on them. Listen, I'm tuning in, Jay. I'm already painting it.

We were recording this Thursday. You fight Saturday. You are the W.W.E. Women's Champion. I don't think anybody's going to be able to take that bell from you for a while. Triple H is about to have you travel in the entire world. You're about to be the next storm in Marvel. What else for?

What else we got for? She's going to make Shook ones part three. Shook ones part three. Bob's Cartel will walk you out at your next match after you win the exact. He's actually going to remake. He's going to make a new rhythm of your theme song. Absolutely. He's going to remix that.

I would love that. Let's represent. Listen, man, we were talking it on to existence. Jade, we know you got to go, but we thank you for being here. Thank you for taking some time. to come kicking with us before such a huge event and go go do what you do Tiffany oh just speaking into existence there we go there we go Tiffany all you should just stay home if we keep it real jade just tell Tiffany just a forfeit you just stay home and then just celebrate in the ring of the head save yourself

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