New Rory & MAL - Jermaine Dupri Reveals The Secrets of Magic City

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

It's a Thursday Check-In, and today we got friend of the show and legendary Producer Jermaine Dupri on the pod. Jermaine tells us what to expect from the Magic City documentary and soundtrack, Rory pits Jermaine and Mal against each other in a game of "Vegan Dish, Song Title, or Both", and Rory and Mal make Jermaine choose between his hit records. #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I feel like we have. Well, knock on wood, but yes. Bless to be back. Always. Midweek. We never do like a midweek check-in. We always do like top of the week and then end of the week. That's true.

Yeah, because usually we're running around at this point. Yeah. You know, trying to figure out what to say to athletes. Or what to say to each other. I'm going to say to Rory today. I don't know. I don't know how I'm feeling today, man. I'm just thinking about waking up at 6 a.m.

to drive in Jersey traffic to drop tomorrow off at daycare. That's where my mind is that usually midweek. Yeah. But something a little different, I guess, this week. But it won't, I don't know. How about that? I feel like we need more transparency in podcasting. Don't know ball can be tough sometimes

because athletes are mid-season, out-of-season, they have obligations. Zoom is cool, but I don't know if it's the best way to do shit. So if an athlete isn't free, we'll find a friend or we'll kick it. Or we'll find someone random on the block that mall grew up with. Yeah.

Let's use the middle of the week to just check in on people. See how people are doing. Like, it's just a mid-week check-in. Whoever we want to talk to, whoever we think about. Sometimes it won't be anybody. Yeah. But it'll be a mid-week check-in

and we will find random strangers like, you know, one day we're going to interview Josh. You keep getting mad at me when I try to interview Josh, but. Because you want to interview Josh for like weird reasons.

That's why. I want to get to know him. No, you think he's a CIA agent. Like, that's why you think. Possibly. Yeah.

Because we had another amazing person from volume come in today. And they just, they hit it off. They went to high school together. Yeah. That was like,

it seems like some CIA shit. Yeah, yeah. No, the CIA, that show you sooner later like they're watching. Oh, these are two agents. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Absolutely. Definitely worked in the same zone. And the spot they from isn't that big. Like, you don't run into a bunch of people from that spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then my parents went to school there too, so then my antennas went up. Okay. Remember that was the first thing I said to Josh.

I was like, yeah, my parents went to school. My mom and my dad went to school there. So yeah, and then, you know, volume sent another person from over there. Agents. Yeah. I don't know, I see what's going on. Yeah. So, you know, that's so far my midweek checking.

Yeah. I love the volume, but, you know, they may have some. agents. Well, I mean, this week we do have some friends in town. Well, one of our good friends is in town and he said he's going to try about today. So, we're sitting kicking with him, man. So tomorrow,

we are recording this on a Wednesday. You're hearing this on Thursday. So today, I suppose, I was invited to the Clips' listening party. I cannot go, but now I'm scared they're going to think that, like, I didn't go because I was scared. Okay. So, like, help me

deal with this conundrum moment. I can't go because Kia has a going away party with one of her friends and I already agreed weeks ago. Yeah. But then I got that Apple invite and I was like, man, a Marica watch yourself. She's too.

Yeah, turn the TV on. Leave some chicken nuggets out. She'll be fine, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Just close everything upstairs and everything,

make sure everything's closed off. You know what I mean? She can't get it too much. Yeah. Or what that one guy do? He just left his kids at the McDonald's playground. Yeah. Well, he went on the job interview.

Yeah. No, you don't want to do that. Definitely don't want to do. Not a public place. So be it. So be it. No, no, no. Not when it comes to the kids.

Nah, but that's what. You can't soapy it to the kids. Pushing Malice in. No, no. That's not what they was talking about. Definitely don't leave your kids in McDonald's. But, um, no, just, you know, just hit pushing. Like, yo, listen, bro.

Want to come? Got the daughter. Like, no, I'm not. I'm, they're busy with other shit. I wouldn't even do that. Yeah. And they probably wouldn't even notice that I was there or not. But like my own ego and psyche was like,

I hope they know. Like, I, I wanted to go. Yeah. Like I wasn't, I'm not on the OVO team. Just give me the album, man. I just want to hit a music, man. I don't need to go to a listening event. It did leak.

The whole album? Yesterday, yeah. I have not seen like MP3 files leak in quite some time. Wow. Can you guys remember last time a album leaked like that? No. We've gotten like weird leaks, like even CLB at a bunch of random joints, but they weren't done. The final shit leaks.

Wow. Yeah, which I have not seen. And I thought to myself, is that maybe a, cool rollout tactic. No, I don't think the clips used that as a rollout. I feel like they've been doing a lot of old school, like marketing rollout tactics that we have not seen in a while. And it was only up for a little bit.

Like, I tried to go find it. And it was gone by that time, but people had it. I thought that was kind of like a cool two days out. And you're doing the blog era style rollout. I don't think the clips is, I don't think they are into those games anymore. But I don't think they really care about, well, of course they care about sales. It's their job. But like, I don't think their end-all be-all is like, we need to sell this amount, you know.

Yeah. They're independent slash rock nation. Like, it's going to do what it's going to do. Right. Yeah, leak it. And first of all, I don't think that'll take away from any albums, though. No, the clips are already, you know, they are who they are. They have their audience.

You know, they're always looking for ways to kind of tap in and, you know, reach new people. But I don't think that's their focused. I think they know who they are. They know the people that support them, know what to expect. what people have heard what I've heard so far I like it so I mean if a leak

happened online I mean I'm glad I missed it because I probably wouldn't have clicked it anyway I'll just wait for when the album comes out but I don't think Dave using that as a rollout can we

while we're here can we pull up the greatest moment in listening party history can you type in Kanye West Pusha T album listening

remember when Kanye was off the goose and started freestyling the goose right now right now. Like, he started hosting. I was there. I saw that in person.

That was like, off Gansom for it. We turned that up. Give us some bars. I mean, you see how he tied the bar together. Yeah, goose and loose. That was so tough. It's funny.

And then when the push album drop, I tried to like go find that verse. I couldn't. No. The genius put that one up? I hope not. But I mean, I mean, now they have an album coming out and Kanye is nowhere near

this music. I think they'll be okay. Oh no, they'll be fine. It's just, you know, it's just funny to see how things happen. Do you think push, like in this very moment was like, two more albums. I think I'm cool. Yeah, I think this was it.

Two more. Yeah, yeah, I'm cool. I find a loophole. Yeah, we'll figure something out to get away from this shit because it's just too much going on right now. But I am looking forward to the album, the Lips album. I'm glad I didn't hear no leak music.

I don't want to hear it like that. Yeah, no. I'm on actually on Thursday at midnight, but where's the first place you listen to a Clips album? Now? You've got to be the car. No, I'll be home. Now. You could, I don't know, maybe order of Uber, make sure it's a woman driver, ask for the auxiliary cord, just.

I'll be in the house. Just hit the West Highway. In the crib on the couch. Yeah. Yeah, you got to like take some pyrexes out or do something. Nah, because now I try I got an induction stove now. It don't even hit the same. I can't even put the Pyrex on the induction store.

Oh, yeah. It's weird now, man. They're trying to get us away from that lifestyle. Yeah, when I got my new spot, how many years ago, that was like a main thing that I was looking for at each spot. I had the electric stove for so many spots. I was like, I need a gas. I need fire. Yeah, definitely.

It hits different. But I mean, yeah, I got to make some type of food. You could whip up a vegan dish. You could, at least you could use the measuring cups. Well, I could use the measuring cups. Sugar. Yeah. Just get you back in that zone

I don't want to be back in that zone I just want to hear it I don't need to be there I just want to hear the music I don't need to be in that zone just let me hear some good music that's it do you have a prediction

we've gotten the Travis Scott shots ran into the fucking ground do we think there's going to be any more I'm hearing Travis I'm hearing rumors that he may put out a song Thursday night as well I kind of mess with the sales well the Jack Boys just put out

is that record out with the video or was that just one of those trailer videos? No, I think it's out. Okay. So he's going to put out another record. I can see that. I don't know. Again, this is the clips. They don't care about that type of. They're not playing the same game.

A lot of these other artists are playing. Like, they don't really care about that. Do they want to, you know, the project to do well and be received? Well, absolutely. But they're not playing these other games. And to your point from years ago of when people are dropping on the same days, like let's say there's the Iceman episode two on Friday. Yeah.

I'm going to watch that and then I'm going to, I'm going to listen to the clips. I'm going to, both will be consumed. Exactly. And I'll probably click the Travis song. It won't be my first thing, but if I get around to it. Just to hear what's going on. Yeah, just to hear what's going on. Like, I'm still going to listen to it.

Yeah, yeah, it doesn't. That's why when people try to stay away from and that's because they want that, you know, they need that number one debut. They want that. But somebody liked the clips, I just don't think at this point in their career, professionally or personally in their lives, I don't think that they're chasing. don't really care about that. They just want the music to be received amongst their fan base the same way all of their music has been received.

I do want you to listen on Thursday night so Monday morning you can come in with a full rendition of The Birds Don't Sing John Legend Hook because that leaked on like one of those Paris fashion shows like two years ago. Yeah. I play that on YouTube often. It has like the high Q version. That's the intro. I'm not spilling anything. They said in interviews. I kind of need the mall version of the Birds Don't Sing Hook. and I you know I know people think I don't like John I like John Legend I'm just I just think that it's a time and place for John Legend that's so I would as someone that agreed with you on that John Legend take this is one of the better John Legend hooks I've

heard in quite some time no that's the one for the show you know that was that song was incredible I want to give us a little teaser now that the lyrics are the birds don't sing I'm cool I'm cool I'm cool no birds don't sing I'm cool I'll let John have that yeah I'll give that one to him. Yeah, let him have that. That's it. That's all you, John. Well, I think our guest may be here. I don't know if there's anything more we should cover. If you guys have any questions, I don't know, spam, Demaris's mentions, not ours. Make it a her thing. But yes, we are aware that sometimes the Zoom shit doesn't really work out with the athletes, even when we have a great one. Like, I love that Donovan McNabb conversation. I thought

was incredible. Wish you would have been interesting. If that would have been here, would have been even better. So, you know, making adjustments and keeping the fans updated as we go. So it'll be It'll just be a weekly check-in on Wednesdays. You'll get an episode. You'll never know who we're going to be sitting with. But it may be with Maw's twin sister. Never know who's going to sit on this fucking... We have no idea who will be here,

but we will be here to check in with some of our friends. And today we have a definite... This is family here today, so let's get into it. All right, Roarie, we are back. Today we are joined by... I think we're like three-for-three so far with our... Yeah. Three or four.

People that say, yo, we're going to see you in New York. when we was in LA for BT Weekend. Today we are joined by somebody that, you know, this is family. This is a family affair today. One of my favorite people, legend in every sense of the word. Back once again,

J.D. Jermaine D. D. Jemri, how you feeling, bro? I'm good. It's always good to see you. A couple. Yeah. We'll give J.D. some claps.

I think J.D. deserves a round of a ball. Just a couple. You know. Can't open your phone without seeing J.D. working. Cannot not see him in the studio. But how's everything going with the album? Magic City, the documentary, the album.

It's gone. It's definitely a, I'm having like a very big creative explosion. You know you having fun, man. Yeah, I am. It has actually turned into something that I didn't see coming at first. Like this, I wasn't like, I was like, okay, we're going to do a soundtrack. And at first I was going to pick the records from other people and just hit the records. Then I was just like, that ain't really nothing new.

Like, you know what I mean? So then I was like, let me do all the records. And I was like, damn, how that's going to be? And then that started turning into me doing all the records and it just turned into basically a new Jemay Dupree album inspired by the Magic City documentary. For JD, for somebody like yourself, obviously, you know, it's a personal relationship we have.

But I just like, how do you still find motivation? Because you've accomplished what most people can only hope to accomplish. Like at this point in your career and in your life, how do you continue to find just inspiration to do something you haven't done before? That's it. You got to find what you have. I mean, that's what I'm saying is crazy. Like, you know, like, when Christmas time come around, people are like, I don't know

where to get a person who got everything. I don't have everything. You know what I mean? Like, go to the store. You know what I'm trying? That's just, you know me. It's like a cop out. Yeah.

Yeah. Saying that as a cop out. Yeah. Go take your ass to the store and call me on FaceTime. Yeah. I'll be like, yo, I see this. Do you got this? No, I don't get it.

That's basically how life is. You sit back and start thinking you did it everything. Then that's how you will address it. I ain't did everything. And like this soundtrack or this record, the first record, the turn-around record, I don't even have a record with T.I. I don't have a record with two chains in my discography. And I don't have a record with Drow in my discography for off top.

That's a new. Not with T. Yeah, we talk about that'll be T. That blew my mind. I had no idea. I would have never guessed that. Off top, it just, that's automatically something that's never happened before. So it's like, oh, if I start doing this, you know what I mean?

I signed Rocco to, you know, to death jam, but I never made records on Rocco. So now I got a record with Rocco on this record. So it's like, all the records that I'm making, I never had a song with Travis Porter. Like, I'm making records for the artists that live in the city that we cool and we great friends and all of this, but I never had music with them. See, that's basically because JD was basically. too busy making some biggest records of Mariah Carey

and all that and now's time for the city to get some no, no, everybody else was always busy doing what they were doing a lot of these artists

they don't need me so I'm saying like I think you know Atlanta's a strong city it's like you ain't got to go to JD to get a hit and it's a bunch of other people in the city making hits

that's basically what it was and it was just like they're doing what they're doing I'm doing what I'm doing trying to break the artists I got in my in my little circle so but this is definitely like you know I started it

with tip and when people saying t i do that i think it laid everybody else say okay this what we're doing what can we expect for the magic city documentary like what can we expect a lot of us you know i was still young uh but i i was able to experience magic city with you the first time i ever been to magic city was with you so i was able to experience that for but for a lot of people that never experienced magic city what can they expect from this documentary um probably a lot more information and they actually even want. You know what I mean? Not, not, not from a, not, no, listen, not from a,

which network is it on? Not from the dark side of it, though. You say, no, Zeus, is it? Not from the dark side. It's a to be movie? I'm saying, like, information that you as a customer will never know, unless you watch this documentary. Like, like, yesterday we did lip service and Gigi, you know,

Gigi is very much, you know, titty's out in this documentary. Doing interviews, like, we are with tities out. Like, you know what I mean? And like, and like, and the stuff that she's talking about, I was sitting there like, what? Yeah, yeah. That should be going on. Like, what happens downstairs with these girls in the locker room and how magic picks

the schedule and who goes on the stage? You don't never even be thinking about this. We just see it. It's a whole business factor, right? It's a whole operation to what's going on downstairs in the strip club. And that's what I mean about information you pride, too much more information you actually even know what you want. You probably don't, you know.

Never even thought about it. But when you go back after you see this, you're going to be like, that makes sense. You're going to be looking at this shit like, oh, this is real business. You know what I'm saying? So even me, like I said, being a part of it, this shit that they're talking about, I can't tell you about it because I don't go. I do, I'm a customer.

Right. You know what I drink, get dances. What's happening under that floor? Yeah. It's a whole other world. Without too many spoilers. What's one thing that you were like, holy shit, I had no idea? that the girls pay attention to whoever the most earner is.

So if it's a girl in that is earning a lot, because evidently you start knowing who's getting the money, they try to like attach themselves to that girl. So she goes on stage and she usually make $10,000 on the stage. They say when she put a name on the board, girls be waiting for her to put her name on the board so they can put their name on them board and try to be under her.

Like, I didn't have, I would have never thought, like, but that makes sense. That's what's happening. It's like the internship program. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I mean, it's like fish. I've seen like, like, you know how little fish be following

the little thing. It's like they follow on the big fish in the club. Yeah. The little fish looking for the big fish when they, you know what I mean? I would have never thought that it was that type of party going on. But I also never. Nicks do the same shit though. Huh?

They do the same shit, though. Nah. Well, you don't know. I mean, yeah, but you don't actually really see. Yeah. You don't see them until they run up on you with that thing. But I'm saying in this space, I think, you know, we don't act. Like, these girls actually see the money. They actually know, yo.

Yeah. You got, I seen you make, you got $5,000 from homes, right? Yeah. I'm trying to fuck with you. How did you do that? Yeah. Let me come with you. You know what I'm saying?

Like, so I think, I mean, that's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I would have never, I never paid no attention to it. As a matter of fact, I never even like, I'll be seeing the girls go on the stage and I never even question, like, how they get picked. But if you watch, if you're in there, the DJ will say four different names and then switch the girls out.

Them four girls that go up there. It's a whole conversation that how them four girls get on that stage. Yeah. That's, you know. So, I mean, that's pretty much, like, that's what it is. And by the way, in documentaries is the only place that you're supposed to learn that.

You know what I'm saying? You can't, you ain't going to learn that if you're, just go in that club. So it's a lot of documentary things like that that's in this documentary. And official release dates for album, Doc, everything. I mean, I'm trying to meet it, but the documentary drops August 15. Okay.

I'm on my race to get this done and, you know, chasing artists and making sure that I finished this stuff. I just had a call just now about that. So I'm just trying to, you know what I? It's crazy. I got more artists on this record than I probably ever had on any project that I've done. and, you know, Clarence is all kinds of,

who's been calling you trying to get on there? You're just like, are just the same made not right now. Yeah, like, not right. Well, I mean, you know, everybody pretty much, because, I mean, I don't think people understand. I'm actually, it went from the soundtrack rules to a Jemaine DePree album.

Okay. So when you, you know, usually a soundtrack, soundtrack rules is like, if I walk down the street and I bump into somebody, They was like, y'all heard you working on that soundtrack. I got something for them. You know what I mean?

Right. They might send it. That's an A&R move. Right. A Jermaine DePree album is not being A&R. This is my, what I hear in my head, right? So I was talking to Jada about this yesterday. Because when I did Hating Your Blood, I put Jada and Freeway on the same song when they

was beefing. But I didn't hear Freeway rapping. I heard Freeway doing the hook. Right. And I heard Jada rapping. And I wasn't thinking about Dave Beef. And I only bringing this up because I want people. to understand how I'm making the records,

even people who I was listening and might feel like I haven't put them on. I hear the voices when I make the beats. Like, I make it be, I'm like, oh, if I get this person, this would sound crazy, right? Even the older artist, like the next ringle with Sean Paul. I heard Sean Paul when I went to sleep after the, I was like, I gotta put Sean Paul on the song.

And I sat there for a minute with myself saying, okay, he had a record out in a minute, how people gonna go with this, you know what I mean, trying to see if I got a play that you hot game. Like man, you know what? I'm gonna make this record based on my likes, what my taste is. You know what I'm saying?

Niggas might not drink Pepsi no more. I want a Pepsi. You know what I'm saying? I can't say that I'm from Atlanta. I want to cope. Right. You know, I'm just. But you know what I mean?

Like it's just just that's, and I think that's what people not, they're not understanding. Like it went from it being a soundtrack to me just like, what do I, what's my, actual taste. You know what, who, you know, not, and I like everybody. I love all the artists in Atlanta, but it's just like now that I'm making records, it's really starting to be like tailor made for what I'm hearing in my head.

So, um, a lot of artists, everybody hitting me. Yeah, okay. Because there's a lot of artists that I didn't realize, um, if I showed me working with them, that just opens the door for everybody. Yeah, they're supposed to put somebody off. Like, Lucci was one of them ones where niggins see me in the studio of Lucci. I don't know. I got to get on there. You got to loot you on.

I know. I know. I'm like, what? Yeah. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clever Taylor the 4th.

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which was delicious. J.D.'s vegan. Cool. Went out to Walmart and got some. Since you two are like the only two vegans, like I really know, I put together a segment called vegan dish,

song title, or both. and I want to see if you guys song title or both I'm going to say if you found something that may be a vegan dish and a song title like together yeah I want to hear this incredible Josh

can we get a point system going I think a point system even if you get the both correct if you name the song title I think you should get an extra point okay all right we'll start kind of easy wavy gravy

wavy gravy is that a song title is that a vegan dish or is that both Wavy I hope that's not a song type So I'm gonna go with Vegan dish on that one Wavy gravy It's going through the Rolodex

I never heard Wavy Gravy Gravy You know MC Gravy though True I'm gonna go I'm gonna go above Because I mean I'm from Atlanta And this is

You know they're the swag gods In Atlanta So the waviness might be I'm gonna go with both So I initially thought it was both It's just a vegan dish. Oh, it is. A gravy brand from a famous 1960s activist.

I didn't do that much research. But yes, it is a real thing. This one, we'd be quick, super easy. Peaches. Pizza? Peaches. Peaches? Yeah.

Well, Peaches is vegan. I'm going to say both. Okay. Can you name a song? I can name the girl. She's in the Magic City Dog. No, I can't name the song. Well, 112 had peaches and cream.

That's not. That's not. Yeah. Peaches. Because cream isn't. Peaches. No. No.

Peaches is Justin Bieber, right? That is. Two points for JD, one point for more. Oh, shit. We'll keep speed round. Coconut leather. Coconut leather? Mm-hmm.

That is hilarious. Coconut leather? It's fucking hilarious. It could be a raw song. Yeah, it could be. Coconut leather? That's got to be a song. Coconut leather has to be a song.

That can't be a dish. You're both wrong. It's just a vegan dish. Well, not so much just a dish. It's a real vegan material and they put it in vegan desserts. Oh, coconut leather. Okay. Yeah, it is.

Well, you said a dish. That's a vegan. It goes in dessert. Yeah. Okay. Listen, I went tovegan.edu.org. Listen. I know you had to do a lot.

I know you had to do a lot. Cherry bomb. Cherry bomb. I'm going to say both. Okay. Jeddy? I'm going to go. I said both the last.

I'm going to go with just a vegan dish. You know the song? Cherry bomb? No, I don't know the song. All right, well, you get a point. It is both, but Tyler Creator. Okay. Cherry bomb.

Yeah. All right. Polk theory. Polk theory? Not a dish per se, but maybe a restaurant. What is it both? I'm going to say it's a dish slash restaurant. I'm not going to say it's a song.

Okay. I'm going to just go a dish. You guys are both correct. I thought it could be like if Q-tip, like, decide to go super vegan. I could see a tribe song being poke theory. Yeah, I can see that. It's a restaurant in Singapore. Orange Moon.

Orange Moon. I'm going to say both. That sounds like a nice song title. So I could not find a vegan dish called that. Maybe there's a smoothie out there, but I could only find an Erica Badu song named Orange Moon. There was no dish, Orange Moon? No. Oh, wow.

Okay. Tofu and champagne. That has to be a dish. There's no song called tofu. Yeah. That's what you might both correct. That's a dish. That's a night and something.

It's 10 years ago with progression. I think that will be the name of a rap. Oh, for sure. That might be the name of a rapper in a few years. It's an actual brunch pairing at Plant Food and Wine in L.A. Okay. Like the way that's in London somewhere? In L.A.

Los Angeles, yeah. Tofu champagne, okay. All right. This one is kind of, this is a trick question. Raspberry Beret. Come on, man. Both. But definitely, no, one.

It's a song. It's a song. It's a song and a dish. Mm-hmm. You guys are both correct, but Prince was really talking about like a red-ass beret. Like he wasn't talking about a dish No, no, Prince definitely wasn't about a dish But yes, you guys are both right

Yeah Strawberry swing for our last one Strawberry swing Mm-hmm That's a That's a song for sure Frank Ocean right Oliny bro, whatever he was going

about back then Both It was both, yes Frank Ocean and was a Coldplay cover But yes That is a vegan dish All right

All right What was our final talent? No, we're sitting real vegan Dady He's trying to get us jammed up Like we don't really do This vegan shit like seven to me all right come on oh wait i'll be jameenna okay something in my life i'm gonna say was

taw that's him yeah he got me the first answer yeah um with that said we had another segment um that we're still flushing out i guess it's a this or that you kind of have to pick an option between the two of one existing and one not existing in your career we'll start out very easy this or that you either make confessions or you make the emancipation of me me i got to do what you have to pick one one disappears forever yeah one disappears forever which one do you keep Um, unfortunately, I got, well, I won't say unfortunately. I'm going to have to go with emancipation and me, me, because in my entire career, I never had Song of the decade besides off that album.

Okay. Damn, I think I would choose. I'd choose confessions. I see why you would go with that. I mean, confessions is big, but Confessions is, song of the decade, song of the decade. Yeah, it's hard to give up the song of the decade. It's hard to give up song of the decade. Bow Wow, let me hold you stays in history, or Jagged Edge Let's Get Married Us?

Jagged Edge, Let's Get Married, I think. It's a longer, you know, somebody's going to get married every day. That's the official marriage song, yeah. Somebody get married every week. That's something that'll be around. Keep So So Def as the label or keep JD as a solo artist. So So Def the label. I get tired.

I get tired and I ain't making no album. be known as the mastermind behind we belong together or money anything. JD low-key created Bling-Bling. He won't take credit for what I'm going to say it. He said Gling, we said Gling, Glean, you said bling, bling?

You said bling, right? Jady came up with bling, bling, we don't get... And when Wayne... The coach that gave JD that credit. I assumed he was just going off money anything when I heard the first time Wayne said it. Yeah, like they give Wayne that credit,

but J.D definitely said I don't like it if it don't bling, bling, and that was before Wayne to cash money like that. I'm old in a third. to remember that. I'm just putting that out there. We don't give JD that credit. Yeah, I'm going to go with money and things. I feel like

the far side of me putting Jay on a record before people around where I live at was even paying attention to Jay makes me, I guess, look like I was smarter than what people think I am. Yeah, that would definitely

make it like, yeah, I introduced the South to Jay-Z. Yeah, I don't say that. But I'm just saying, I feel like, I just, I know, like, you know, Reasonable Doubt was this record that was basically what I was, you know, that was the motivation for money and a thing. Yeah. Reasonable Doubt wasn't a big album in Atlanta. Right. You know what I mean?

It was, you know, critically acclaimed rap album if you was into rap. Yeah. But, I mean, even up here. Oh, would say it sold 30,000. The city of Atlanta wasn't into rap music like that. So for me to pick him, even here, when I went to do that record and I went to Sony and I told him that's the record I wanted to be the second, basically the first single day in. They didn't even understand why I was going with Jay because his momentum wasn't what they thought

the momentum needed to be for it to be my record. They were single. Stay the executive producer of 8701 or keep your entire remix catalog. Stay the executive producer, 8701. That takes away a lot of remixes we love. It does, but, you know. Getting rid of all of JD remixes?

871 is my favorite Ushel album, but that's a lot of, that's a lot of remixes. I got thrown on remixes. away and get more work off 87. That's a great way to look at. Yeah. I'm looking at as a fan, but yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that makes sense. JD, the artist or JD the businessman? JD, the businessman. I never even wanted to be an artist like that. I mean, well, I did when I was younger. And then when I started writing for Brat, I just accidentally got on Funklify just because I was writing raps and I was like, listen, you should do this and you should do that.

And I'm going to do this part. And it was like a back and forth. Like, I ain't know what was going to happen with the song. And then it just happened to be like the song that took off of her. And I'm on it. And then people's like, well, Jada, you should make a record. And I'm like, I don't want to make a record. And then it just turned into me.

People want me to just keep telling me to make a record. So then that's why I did it. So at that point in time, I was still, I was past me making music. Which is a perfect segue. One can only exist. Sweetheart with Mariah or Funkify with a brat. Foo. Funkify with a brat.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that is a whole different part in your career from there. Morph, want to go through some of those? Be the reason a new traditional R&B artist goes number one or revive the R&B group format with all new talent. Be the reason a new R&B artist goes number one. You think it's over for the group?

No, not at all. I mean, not in K-pop. No, not, I don't. K-Priving over there. I just think that. I just think that groups, I mean, I just think it's hard to get people to pay attention to music, period. Not the listening. I'm talking about the artists, getting them to understand the whole, you know, mindset of music is still like, it's lost right now.

So a group definitely is like they can't even pay attention to what needs to be done for their records to even be in a group with somebody and trying to talk. But, I mean, I feel like a group can easily come back. and pop fast, but it's just finding them. You know what I mean? Finding it and figuring it out. Welcome to Atlanta remix or, oh, I think they like me remix. Welcome to Atlanta remix. For sure.

One, because it was a time when, you know, people was pitting me and puffed against each other as they have always done. And I decided to put Puff on the record so that, you know, so people could have their little joy with that, you know, at that one particular point in time. You know. At one particular point. You got it bad or nice and slow, Usher? Yeah. Nice and slow. Really?

Yeah, because nice and slow was the creator of You Got It Bad. I wouldn't have never made You Got It Bad if I wouldn't have made Nice and Slow. Because what I try to do with nice, after Nice and Slow and the success, because Nice and Slow was Usher's very first number one top 100 record. So with that being, that being that song, not his first number one top 100 and it being a ballot in that space um it just was like we I followed that try to make that song three times basically and I made you got it bad that was the second one and the success of that one came and I was like Brian we got to do it one more

time we got to make the trilogy which was burned so these three songs you play them back to back they basically sound like the same song they can run into each other so yeah I wouldn't have made them other two if I didn't have nice and slow. Who wins the verses between Usher and Chris Brown? I'm saying, based on music, Usher wins. But like how they do versus now, like they both have to perform the record. So we're in the stadium and arena, wherever, Usher does a record, Chris does a record. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I think that's why I say based on music, Usher wins. I don't know, you know, if we're watching performances. I mean, I can't really say because I don't know, you know, at the end of the day, I don't really know what, you know, people might. And based on, like, how versus is, if it's, if it's crowd participation in it, I think it'll be a 50-50 situation. Chris Brown have the best fans in the world. Yeah.

They don't give a fuck about nothing. Yeah. But Chris Brown. Yeah. So, you know what I mean? Like, like, nothing. You know what I mean? So I don't.

I don't. I think Chris Brown fans, they're more loyal to Chris Brown than the Beehive, basically. And the Beehive might get madden me for saying this. I mean, I just feel like Chris Brown fans, they really, really swarm and attack when it's got, when it's time for Chris Brown to do that. I only asked that because I went to, thanks to J.D., I went to the Usher show when he was saying Brooklyn and seeing Usher perform. I think that may have been my second time ever seeing Usher perform. But seeing him perform and really looking at that show and listening to those records and just paying attention to everything. And I saw Chris perform once as well.

I couldn't make the, like, I didn't know who put on the better show, honestly. And I should be in a 40-something-year-old man and still being able to perform at that level versus Chris being in his young 30s, early 30s maybe. So are you saying performance versus and that's it? Like, because I think, I'm just saying if I went to a Chris Brown show today and then went to Usher show tomorrow, I don't know who I would say I feel like put on a better show. And this is honestly speaking. Like, what I saw Usher do on that stage was absolutely incredible. I think the conversation for like saying it, the way you're saying it, it's almost like saying

Kanye and Jay having a concert. Like Kanye might outperform Jay Z. But Jay Z has records that's going to hit. you in a space that Kanye don't got. Yeah. Right? So I think that's the same thing. I think Usher Guy's songs is going to make you be like, oh, shit, I remember when this

son came out with, uh, and then Chris Brown might be dancing harder. Yeah. And so you'd be into the dancing. But that's what I'm saying. It'll go back and forward. I just, I feel like it's a 50-50 if it's on in this, in that space. Because like, like I said, I don't believe nobody could battle Kanye in it versus me personally. Mm-hmm.

I think he got records for everything. Right. Yeah. Right. He got a record for everybody in every category, whichever way you want to go. But I think he'll have a hard time with Jay-Z. Right. You know what I mean?

Yeah. But, you know what I mean? And that's crazy because I'm saying, I don't think nobody could beat him. But I feel like he'll have a hard time with Hove. Yeah. And I feel like Usher would keep the same. It's 20, with verses, right? Yeah.

Usher wouldn't need to alter his 20 to win in the performance shit. Like, I don't think Chris would have I can transform you in his 20 music-wise. But performance-wise, that's going to be the crazy. Chris is going to do six bat flips to that fucking record. Yeah. But Usher is going to keep that same 20 and have the same performance. Whereas Chris would, I feel like I have to cater to the performance rather than lean on certain songs. The scary part about Usher and people, you know, when they even have this conversation, like, this last tour with Usher is doing and the cherry section and all of that.

these records daddy's home and um um what's the fan uh superstar superstar wasn't even a single yeah you know what i mean like these records are reacting like yeah yeah niggas number one records right so it's like that's that's dangerous because ultimately usher could play 10 songs from confessions and not even before he gets into his own yeah you know his whole catalog yeah yeah yeah He got to play damn near 10 songs off. He doesn't even should touch my way in 20. Which is crazy. That's what I'm saying.

It's like, you know, that's a hard battle. Yeah. Because you, other artists got to do all of this. And he could just sit there and somebody going to say, but you can't, you know, I know five off confessions off top. Right. Right. Got to be played.

And you're underselling. And these are the singles. Yeah. These are five singles that got to be played. So then what, you know, and you let somebody else that's not. not really in the music business, pick those last five. They're going to pick a whole not, like, superstar, this. You know what I mean?

It's a hard battle. Have you worked with Chris yet? No, the only thing I did with Chris was, was Shorty, like mine with him in Bow Wow. Gotcha. And I did the run-it remix with Bow Wow on it when it first came out. But yeah, that's the only record that I actually worked with him in the studio. Did Usher say if you got any pub or royalties when Trump

used daddy's home when he was walking out of Air Force one yeah what did I should say about that when Trump used the daddy's home record for his i ain't even instagram it were like four or five days ago maybe that was that was that was hilarious that was legendary like i don't know how us felt but that's i don't know us's political views but i'm sure when he saw that he was like yeah i did pretty eye for myself man like the president used my song and the post i just trump is crazy i want to talk to his social media team before any trump is a rapper yeah yeah i'm coming be nowhere else from New York. His mentality is so

Kanye. And he's from Queens. So it's like, yeah, see? That's what I'm saying. There's no way possible, man. Yeah. Daddy's home was crazy. Because you know, like, Trump has to approve most of his social media clips. You know he watched that shit in the office real quick. In between me, it was like,

perfect. Yeah, that's my shit. That's my shit. Play that. Yeah, definitely. This nigga bombs a country. And put that shit on Twitter. Daddy's home. Yeah.

Like, yo, come on, man. He just came back from dropping the ball. Yeah. That's not. Yeah. That's why. Wow. This is the craziest thing ever. That was his Kendrick, not like a Super Bowl moment.

Wow. Like, he understands it, though. Yeah. No, he gets it. He definitely understands this thing. Yeah. Well, anyways, once the Magic City album and Doc is out, I know you're, you know, 10 years ahead every single time.

What's after that? He probably got a group he put together right now. I'm sorry, he don't want to say that. He's like, shit, I got a group. I mean, I signed division since we've shot off. To the division, yeah. We went through that space. So as soon as I get done it with this,

I'm getting ready to try to make sure that Paul got all the records lined up and they, you know what I mean? That they do what they got to do. And I got a couple of other artists I'm signing. But I'm also trying to make sure that, like I said, I'm trying to continue my life and doing things that haven't been done. So if people fuck with this album, this Magic City album, and they really fuck with it,

I'm going to do a welcome to Atlanta tour where I'm going to take the main five artists like myself, Cuevo, two chains, T.I. Ludacris, we might be the main five. And then everybody that come with us be on this tour and we go do a welcome to Atlanta tour and we go out here and do it. It's never been done before. I talked about it, but it'll be something that people never seen before and people might want to see it. You know what I mean? That would be crazy. Mercedes Ben's stadium for that shit. Oh, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

It's bigger. In my head, it's bigger than whatever. You know, it's not that big. It's the stadium, but I feel like it's definitely something that could go crazy. So I'm just trying to, you know, really like get that to a space and get all of the artists to understand it and see it and try to block the space out of time and then, like, put it in motion. They could block it out. That's a festival.

That's not even a stadium type. That would be insane. What did you think of Drake's new single? What did I miss? came out a last one. I don't care about him talking about the beef no more. I'm a real rapper, real hip-hop guy.

I feel like it happened. It's over with. You just want to hear music. Like, me personally, if I was managing Drake, or if I had something to do with Drake, I would have him just put a verse on somebody love me. That's my jam. That's your shit?

Yeah. I'm out in Miami turned up to not, you know what I'm saying? Put a verse on there. Yeah. Like Drake putting a verse on that song. would have been so perfect to me because he would have talked to his shit. It would have been like, oh, okay, this is, you know, I'm sure that he don't probably feel like that song is, but it is.

That song is the song, you know. So I just don't, I don't care to hear him talk about, I don't want to hear about that. Like, it's done. Y'all didn't do what you. How did you feel about some sexy songs for you? The what? The album, with him and party. Like I said, I fuck with it.

I liked it. I don't, I think Drake. Honestly, I think some of them party songs, Drake should have been on. They make it more like a... You know what I mean? Because it felt like they just was like R&R. And like I said,

get on the song, man. You get on the record. Let party get on Nokia. I think the song would have had a different... Like, don't switch the beat. I like the beat switch. Yeah. But maybe let party do a verse on Nokia.

Then it sounds like so that bass all-stars. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is how I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah. They got so much, you know, so many pieces and things they can. could do shit with, I would have been going to work. I like that plug for social deaf base, all-stars.

A lot of people don't talk about that project. That shit was my shit. That was my shit. So, I mean, what direction do you think you should take with the Iceman album in general? I mean, sonically or whatever? I mean, like I said, I pray that he just get back to making records and that this is not, you know, this ain't this story of, I don't want to hear that. You know what I mean?

I just feel like I feel like we I mean you know I heard a bunch of records last night in the club a bunch of Drake records that made me realize like just do what you always did like get back to what you do like because I'm saying ultimately

and you know I know Ma you feel a little different about this but Drake has to look at this the same way Jay had to look at ether some people that feel one way about some people feel another way about super ugly but the world said ether, right?

The world said not like us, regardless what anybody want to say. And then Drey made, I mean, and Jay came packed with dirt off his shoulders. All these other, this nigger went crazy. And then May watch the throne. And then, you know what I mean? Like, it's not,

it's not death. Like, I don't know why niggas keep talking about it. You're in your death bad and, oh man, come on, man. Just make another song. Make music. I don't know. That's what you know. You dis-me. I'm coming at your ass with a bunch of records. Yeah, yeah.

You're going to be like, man, this is a kid, JD is tripping. I'm going to be all out the window. Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob. And I'm not going to be talking about nothing. They got nothing to do with what you're talking about. I'm just going straight at, okay, you make more music. Let's see who make more music. Right, right.

Because I used to think that that's what Drake whole thing was. I made more rap records than any of y'all nicks. Right. Let's see that. Yeah, I feel you. You know what I mean? That's what I would be on. Yeah.

I could definitely feel it. I understand that. I think that's what it is with Iceman. I think that's just the what did I miss was the sentiment. Kind of like, oh, okay. Like, I'm glad y'all showed yourselves. I don't know who's who and what's what. Cool.

Now I'm on to this. So that's what I think personally. I think that's the direction of it. It's like, oh, okay, no problem. Let me show y'all who I am and what I do, though. Well, Jady, thank you. And I know you got to get out of here. August 15th, correct?

Yeah, August 15th is the doc on stars. Yep. I'll be watching that. I'm trying to racing. Yeah. If I don't make that for the album, just know it's a reason why I didn't make that for the album. It's a little fault.

It's not your own. I'm trying to get to it. But it's a couple of artists. I still got to chase and get down. I can't put this record out without a couple of them on it. I'll definitely be tuning. I need to know everything about Magic City. Yeah, either way, I can't wait to watch that in August, man.

Appreciate you. All right. Our God, a legend, Jermaine DePri. Thank you, bro. Yeah. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.

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