New Rory & MAL - New Rory & Mal: Best of 2025 | Part 2

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

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Because we don't, we're not satellites. We have, I haven't, I'm not Superman right and fly and go, ah, it is round. What if they're lying to us? Because we're here on the planet. We don't know what the fuck they're doing up there. Right. They could be, I'm saying they could be lying. Yeah. With the moon landing, I, you know, the moon landing, I'm still on the side of them. I'm, I'm doubting that shit, you know, especially after those space cunts went up there. Yeah. I'm sorry. The cosmic cunts are this.

Yeah. Call them by the proper names. The cosmic cunts. The cosmic cunts went up. Did they go up? They bitches didn't go to space. There was some air and their, first of all, where is your helmet? At minimum.

Like, first of all, where's your pressure suit? They didn't even have at least motorcycle helmets. I saw Armaged. They could go like this on opening a. wow, we're in bed. I'm just saying, I don't mean to insult them, but I was just like, and you, and then you have fucking Katie Perry describing what the fuck happened. I go, why would you pick her? She's like, it was just love.

Love and connection and just love. And we were just there and connect. What the fuck are you talking about? We're talking science. Like, hey, I felt the gravitational pull. And then Bezos's wife with that. fucking you would think that she had all that face shit done that the gravity would have her whole shit would have been like oh my god yeah the girl every needle is up my whole

operation her shit would have been like you see would it look like a fucking yeah it was out no there was no effect on that yeah yeah so i was like we're in anywhere like this we we're in bath yeah if you're in space if you're on a high speed fucking train you're like this oh shit right if you're oh fucking grap you know i do you're getting off the fd off you're like oh shit god damn but you're in space and you're just going whew what the fuck does that look at my daisy oh my god a davy means cana and then they came out like yeah yeah if you come from space you're like yeah that was like you know and then basos tried to open a door they already opened it all He was like, you fucking close it.

Fuck. Take two. He was like, we're, we're. We saw it. No ex to make sure his wife is okay. And you know what? And then it's like you can't, we, our bodies can't handle those kind of forces. You know, when you're in an airplane 35,000 feet and your pressure.

And then come on, there's pilots that go higher than that. Yeah. The fuck you talk. These pilots are up there with helmets on it. oxygen and you yeah and you're higher than they are

but you're like yeah speth yeah yeah the final frontier yeah these are the people these are like

Spock we have to go in turbo he's like this captain I don't think we can make that he's like damn it

yeah even on TV this makes no sense we can't do that Star Trek look like real space like yeah

I don't think we can make it I think that force will suck his end Spock, we have to get there, Spock, Spock, yeah. Right. And these motherfuckers like, yeah, we were there. It's love. It was Knaxian. Like, it was brunch. It's not time for feminism in that high altitude. The fuck is wrong. Would you keep him? Is there any gender in space? Right. Right. Finally, we assaulted. It was connection. What the fuck.

Not that she found about love up there. It was the fact that she decided two days later that she needed to learn how to walk again. Did you see that concert she was doing? That shit was trash. Her concert was garbage. Straight basura. That shit was so bad. She was a difference where she was, I said, maybe she did go to his face.

She got rigged. They left her up there. She is. Gravitational forces then fucked her knees up. Oh my God. When she was in that, dressed as a fucking, that was, at least she should have been dressed in that to go to space.

Yeah. But they were all these sexy suits. And then there's Gail King, right? And there's Oprah's body double. And then there's, I call her Oprah's stunt double. Because if Oprah's like in a car scene and she rolls out, it's Gail. Yeah, absolutely. I can picture in my head.

Yo, it's Gail King rolling out the car. And there's two scientists who are real scientists. The girl that's the Vietnamese girl who was actually, you know, she was like sexually assaulted when she was a science. Yeah. She's gone through a lot. She's actually a real, the astrophysicist or whatever,

and the black girl, it's the, in the middle, there's the Vietnamese chick in the front that's the lowest and the black, they're two real astrocyt. So I think they brought them in to just keep the hoax going,

but it was some bull, they went straight to Katie Perry first, and I said, oh, this is bullshit. They fucked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's like, it was just love and Kinnachia.

We're just that. She was on love. Gail, like, kind of had a little sassy attitude, like once she was like this like she's like have you been the space then you tell me i'm sorry you actually ask you what happened up there like your friend is jeff basso space cost a million dollars a team i just did i was just on kayak to get my ticket to go to north carolina what you're talking about i was using my flyer miles and negotiated just trying to go a two-hour

flight and you're talking about have you been the space that's what i knew it was bullshit um i'm sorry Have you been to space? So when you get to space, let me know. Have you been to space? No, we haven't. You're the only ones that have obviously been there. Because we have what you weren't. That's why you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Right, right. Flint doesn't have clean water and you went to space for funnies. Oh, my God. I totally forgot about that. That Flint didn't have clean water? No. I went to Flint. I'm talking about this space voyage that Gail King and him went on.

Because remember she had the interview she goes, people don't. Believe it. Have you been to space? If I have a friend named Jeff Bay, a friend of Jeff Baisos, I'll go. Right. And he'll pay for my day. But you didn't go to space. Have you been in space? You obviously haven't either because you're not explaining anything to us. You could have been like, well, the gravitational forces. It was really amazing. We saw, then we saw cosmic dust and just some space talk. Like, you could be at least like we, I think we saw like Haley's comic come by. Right. And we saw there's asteroid. We were able to see, you know, the moon and the craters. and da da da da da i mean i know some science like tell us something right you're like this have you been

in the space well if you don't know space shut your ass and you know how they use the word space now just in jill i just love this space that we're in yeah yeah yeah you know that's that's what that was we were in a space in space it was sort of a safe space in space which was sort of space like in a space craft so everything's about everything's about space respect our space Spacey that I'm Spacey from the space. And in this space, I was able to really be in a safe place

for space. And this is a good working space for me. And you know, and people who don't know about this space, know nothing about space. So where have you on the side of the flat earth? I still want to take Lord Jamar to Antarctica. Do you remember when they did the experiment? They recently.

They do pay $35,000 a piece for these flat earthers to go to, because they say that, Antarctica, there's an end in Antarctica, there's some other, like, big fucking land. Okay, there's a wall. Yeah. So, this dude's like, I'm gonna take it. Right. I'm gonna take you.

I'm serious. There's a Rothschild Island right there. Go to Google Maps. It exists. Is there a Ross Child Island? In Antarctica, yeah. I believe that, though. No, it's a fact. It's a fact. Snow Castle? Listen, I'm saying that the earth is round. I'm also saying that the Rothschilds

own an island. And I believe that. Along with that. It could be the Sorosos, the Rothschild, the Rockefeller. The Rockefeller. Yeah, I believe all that shit. Now, but as far as like, he goes, okay, I'm going to take you guys to Antarctica, fly you all out.

This guy, scientists, paid $35,000 a piece. Yeah. I got the money. And then we're going to sit there and watch the sun. If the sun stays in the air, stays out for 24 hours, it the Earth's round. They were like, okay, bet. And they camped out that fucking sun stayed there. And they were like, that's CGR, that's fucking A.

They, all right. They took, like, flat-earther influencers. Like, they took the Kendall Jenner of Flat Earth down there. Right. And then when they got there, there was like, you know, now the 24 hours don't exist. Like, we- Yeah, yeah. It's real. Then they exiled them, like, some Scientology shit.

Like, they kicked them out of the Flat-Eather community. Yeah, they're out. Because they were like, guys, I was there. I promise you, that was not. And they were like, it's round. Earth is round. it's right we were wrong Sinata kicked out of the fraternity kicked out

you're out of here you think it's fucking wrong you think it's a sphere you're out of here asshole and the internet is just the worst place because when I was even they make their money though I wouldn't even looking at the flat earth shit when I started on that rabbit hole

they were telling me like yo there's no flights from Argentina to Australia and I was like damn why is that the case then I went on price line I'm like no you can fly They just put out misinformation as a fact And if you don't double check it Delta doesn't go to Trinidad

I just found that out yesterday They don't So it's got to be a triangle You look at the flag of Trinidad To go there Jet Blue does Yeah you can get there They show the lines

Jet Blue has more lies No we're going to Trinidad I feel like we have to give Mall some flowers here I mean it's no secret that his brother and his crew created the term pause and then mall took the torch. And very bravely in 2025 was one of the only people that when you say something that has nothing to do with sexuality, he says, that's because you're gay.

And then the torch was passed back to Dame in the crew. You earned, like, this is a legacy. This is a legacy of homophobia that I think is just incredible that now they're taking your phrases. Who's in making... I'm homophobic? I don't think you're homophobic. Okay.

Did you watch this Dame Dash in Charlottomain? I watched it three times, really. This... It's the greatest show on Earth right now. Let me say Breakfast Club as well, because they were all there. This is probably the first interview I've watched twice in maybe five years. Yeah, I don't watch anything other than like maybe a movie or a series. when you talk about interviews and things like that.

I watch clips and things like that. But this Dame Breakfast Club interview was just another one to add because I think every time he's done it, it's a classic. I don't think he's ever done a breakfast club interview. He has the greatest breakfast club discography of all the time. When he put out the first one, it was like, how could he ever top that? Yeah, yeah.

No, this one. We didn't know what we had coming. So what exactly happened for the people that haven't, I watched it because I only seen a clip. And the clip I saw was Charlemagne saying, raise your hand if you think Dame is broke. And I was screaming. I'm like, yo, what the fuck is going on in this interview?

But I didn't watch the whole thing. Well, that was after an hour and a half of things being off the rails. And anytime Charlemagne said anything, Dame would say, well, that's because you're gay. So then Charlemagne at some point started to get, not frustrated. He played into it well and was like, raise your hand if you think Dame is broke.

And then Dame said, raise your hand if you think Charlemagne is gay. This was one of the things. Oh, I thought you was telling the room. Yeah, no, I understand. Oh, okay. Before we get into this, I will say, I apologize for some of my Charlemagne hate of the complex list. Yeah.

This could put you at number one after this fucking interview. This is the greatest shit I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Because even like before when Envy and Charlemagne, trying to talk or argue with Ding is one of the hardest things on earth. So the way they handled it of like really playing into it made it one of the greatest interviews I've ever seen in my entire life. But where do we even begin? Nothing was covered. I just want to make that clear.

We got no answers on anything. No real questions were asked. Dane became a chairman in the middle of calling somebody that has been on revolt gay. Everything was insane. He was standing up. He was, I was like, how is the mic even still picking him up? He's running laps around the table. It was the craziest thing I have ever seen.

It was cool because Dame, he went up there. Well, he had announcements. We don't know how true those announcements are, but he had announcements. And he wanted to use that as an opportunity for, you know, Charlemagne or Envy to say things that they may have said about Dane when he wasn't there. Like, okay, let's talk about it now. And Dane, you know, he started it with, you know, I'm not going to get upset. I'm not going to yell. So, like, you know, you're not going to trigger me.

like, but just don't cut me off. Let me answer so that you can understand what I'm saying. So he went up there with the right energy. He went up there with the energy to kind of like answer any, you know, things that they may have been saying about him, you know, saying he's broken and, you know, whatever, whatever they may have been saying. It's like, okay. So Dan was trying to explain, like, if I've been paying $250,000 a year in child support

for the last however many years, is that person broke? Like, these are the things that you, you know, so then he went up there trying to teach them and say, you know, y'all don't know because y'all was stuck in this box and this coffin every day. So y'all don't know what's really going on. Y'all don't know business. So it started as trying to shed light on some of the things that they may have been hearing about Dame in so many ways. I think that you and I both know some of the things that Dame is doing legally to where it's like, okay, you know, we get it. We understand. He was giving away a little too much on that down to the family office. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, it's like, we understand. But

I think he went up there just to have a comment. But then in Dame fashion, it has to be entertaining. It has to be, you know, him, you know, talking shit about somebody in the room, like snapping on him. It has to, that's Dame. That's who he is. And it made for a great, another classic Dame dash breakfast club interview. Now, some of the things he was saying, you know, his announcements with the chairman thing and all, you know, at Revolt. You know, then I guess the president of Revoltz might came out and said that that wasn't true.

We don't know if he's saying it's not true, meaning it's not happening or it hasn't happened yet. Maybe there are talks of it happening. But as of, I guess still today, I don't think that they've come out and released a statement saying that he is the chairman. So again, because so much dancing and manipulation was happening throughout the entire interview, he briefly said, which I don't know how to fully interpret it, he was saying that he has a certain amount of time to, to buy, it, I guess. Like, he was the chairman, but there's only a window where he has, he has to make a choice of whether he's acquiring this or not. Yeah. So I guess officially he wouldn't be, but the, it was offered. So if he wants to be, he could be. I'm not going to sit here and try to explain it because I didn't fully understand. Yeah. But when they came out and said that was all false,

I was like, I went back to that part. And that's where I think he was explaining. Like, he has a window. And if he wants to take it, he can take it. If he doesn't, then, he's going to move on. And I think he may have just taken, like when you put, when your house is an escrow. Okay. I think he may have took an escrow role at revolt as the chairman, not officially, just so he could get back at Cam publicly. And I don't think he will be taking that revolt chairman Joe. I think that was all just a play to be able to go to breakfast club and say, Cam, I'm your boss now. Yeah. I thought he was going to have way more smoke for Envy. Outside of the first one. Envy was the one on Instagram last week in front of all his cars. Like, this is what

not being a boss gets you after Dame had filed chapter 11. I thought he was going to come with envy smoke. I didn't know he was going to be calling Charlemagne gay for two hours. Did he file chapter 11 or chapter 7? A chapter 7. Um, but. Classic though. How do you argue with somebody when, because even towards the end, Charlaman tried to get it back on, on at least subject. How do you argue with someone and when you ask a valid question, the only response they have at that point is it's because you're gay. The funniest shit was when

in the beginning they were cutting Dame off, but then they stopped and then Dame would ask them a question and they try to answer me like, stop cutting me off. It's like, you just ask me a question. I'm answering your question. That shit is a classic though. That's a classic classic breakfast club.

One thousand, like the first I saw a clip first. And I said, oh, no, I got to watch. Like, I can't just watch clips. I have to watch it because I knew just that energy that Dame had in that clip that I was watching, and him calling Charlemagne Gay, I was just like, oh, yeah, this is another classic about to happen. And this is why you just can't argue with anybody from Uptown. Because they have this strategy, and you do it too, where you get other people involved in the room

that want nothing to do with it. And then they sit there awkwardly. like when he was arguing with Charlemagne, he went over to Jess. Jess hadn't said a fucking word yet. I didn't argue with Charlotte. And I forgot exactly what it was. So I'll use an example.

Jess, is he gay? Yes or no? Is he gay? And Jess is like, I'm not, I don't. Dudes from Uptown, that's how they argue in rooms. They just bring in other people and be like, yo, yes or no. Like, dude, I'm not in this. I have no.

Don't try to use me to prove your point. And then when you do that, they're like, see, See? He thinks he thinks the same thing. I mean, well, Envy said he thought Charlemagne was gay too, though. He just said I think he's kind of gay too. But I think Envy was being like funny. Like, that's his co-host. Like, that's like

if Roy said that about one of us, like... Well, I mean, you are. And you are too, nigga, now what? He's gay? You can't steal James Bid. You sound like you want me to convince you that he's not gay. You sound like you want me to convince him. No, no, no, it's not that. You can't do that because you're actually gay. Like, that's,

That's on record. So gay, no gay. Are you trying to recruit me? Like, I don't know. Rory's not on record doing gay shit. Like, don't do that. Don't even start that. So I'm not on record or off record.

I was about to say so because he's off record. Not a single record. Well, no. Because at one time I did get a lot of pussy and I must have been gay at that time. No, no. You wasn't getting the type of pussy. Like, you really, that's why you was trying to defend it. And I wanted to say in my head, Rory, you wasn't getting that type of pussy that we talk about.

Yeah, like you wasn't and you wasn't like in a, see, we were saying like when you're in a healthy relationship and you just can't stop. Oh no, we got out on the relationship part. Then we were just going into just getting mad pussy. Like if you just fuck a lot and like run through girls, you're gay. Yes, we did not say that. Oh, okay. Yeah, we left that.

We was talking about in the house with just cheating on your girl. Like you're a non-a-serial cheater. No, I'm saying just like, ho-phase on tour. No, no, no, that's not the same. Different city. Like we're saying you have a queen in home. Just save her as Tennessee. We've all been there.

Love Miss Tennessee. Love her. Miss, I wonder how she's doing in life. But yeah, um, this breakfast club interview though definitely a definitely more for the red but dame has

people say what they want dame has the ability to like sit on a platform and like you know I guess go viral whenever he wants he has that

he's he's that type of personalities he's you know he speaks about he says whatever the fuck he wants to say he's not apologetic about what he wants to say and then he says shit

like I'm the chairman of revolt and people are just like but revolt says you're not. And then he calls them live. Yeah. Then he reposted on his Instagram and says, this is a lot. So it's like, you know, anybody that has the ability to do that, you know, then this is people

are going to watch it. People love that type of shit where it's just like, yo, this dude is crazy. But Dame is not crazy. Dame is definitely very intelligent. His methods and, you know, the way he goes about things are a little unconventional, but he's had success in being unconventional. So that doesn't matter. Yeah.

I just think the fact that he was up there and, you know, it kind of got a little, a little tension between him and Charlemagne is what kind of made that whole thing, like, oh, no, I got to watch it. But, I mean, they both handled it very well, because it could have went left, and I liked how both of them had that understanding. Because even when Dane was like, I could punch you in your face right now, you would do nothing. I would never do that, but you're feminine. Like, you're proud of running.

I'm proud of staying and get my ass whoop. Right. You're gay. And it's like, wait. Damn. Yeah, you didn't do the math? Damn, no. You got to do the gay match.

That's where you ran? Yeah, like you ran. I wouldn't. Yeah, you're gay. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me,

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Like I felt like I know him. Yeah. And I've never met him. Yeah. Yeah, this, I don't even know where to begin on this one. How many times in the last 10 years of podcasting? Have we just discussed how DeAngelo is one of our favorite artists ever? Anytime we have an R&B debate, first name we bring him up, like, he was one of them.

Absolutely. Like, you can't compare his voice or style to any other artist. period, whether B-pop, R&B, Neosville, whatever. He, I mean, he was a goat with, you know, three albums that he spread out in each generation, an era that he put an album out, he changed the face of music during it. Absolutely. So, yeah, I mean, you know, condolences to his family, definitely to his son, definitely probably rough year for him losing both parents.

So prayers and condolences to his son as well as his daughter. Yeah. But did you ever have the privilege of meeting DeAngelo? He was in the studio one night. I forgot who session it was. He was in the studio. But I never had the privilege of having an actual one-on-one conversation and kicking it with him and giving him his flowers.

But, you know, when you say DeAngelo, you know, for somebody growing up in the 90s, we call out the golden era of music, aren't. be especially um de angelo was was the guy that you know absolutely changed the style um you know you used to seeing musicians look a certain way you're not used to seeing musicians with the talent level of what the angelo would have corn rolls and you know leather jackets and no shirt like it was like you know he just changed the style of what musicians look like especially in the 90s like Like he just came in and was, you know, just completely, completely just changed the sound and energy in R&B. So many people that are an extension of his talent and his musical genius.

So receiving that news of his passing was definitely heavy. Like, you know, because DeAngelo was never somebody that was ever really in the headlines. No. So it's easy to kind of like not think about DeAngelo unless you like hearing his music or like, you know, he happens to. be working on a new project. So when, you know, I forgot who hit the chat and it was like DeAngelo passed. I was like, I read that. I was like, whoa.

Yeah. And I mean, just reading that was just like, that somebody wasn't expecting to just, you know, read that Pat passed away. But after privately, you know, battling the illness and things like that, you know, the family decided to keep that, you know, because he was, again, he was not, DeAngelo wasn't somebody that was ever really in the headlines. Yeah. It wasn't nothing negative, you know, it was just like if it wasn't about music, if he wasn't

performing, you didn't know what DeAngelo was doing. And I think that's the way he wanted it. That's the way he, you know, part of his mystique and his aura was, was strictly about the music and his talent. But so young, you know, to pass away at 51. And his talent, man, you know, obviously had to live on. His music lives on. But, yeah, DeAngelo was one of the greats, you know,

for him to no longer be with us, you know, so soon. It's just like, it's just kind of like, you know, put you in a fog because you can't really like damn like that fast so soon like but um you know one of the greatest uh remember listening to you know lady and brown sugar being in high school like he was just the soundtrack if you was like had a crush on a girl you had to play de angelo you had to like you know if it was a talent show it was like who gonna sing de angelo like everybody can't do who's gonna try to do that most yeah everybody can't do diangelo like he was just the coolest of the cool, man. So prayers and condolences to his family left an incredible legacy.

You know, just somebody just had so much musical integrity and so much style and did it his way. So yeah, man, it's a terrible loss for the culture and for music. But, you know, his work is here. His music is here. The people that he influences here, the artist that he worked with is still here. So, you know, his music and his art lives on for sure. Yeah. When I was working for Kevin Liles, he was working with DeAngelo. I guess you could say managing DeAngelo at that time for the Black Messiah album. And DeAngelo, you know, obviously never came to the office. Never was like, you know, part of any meetings or anything. But when I say anytime Keb would play like a song from that album before it came out, like we would all just gather around like the media room door like children and just put our fucking ear to the side to try to hear that shit. So like seeing that, that project from an office standpoint completely come together was like just an honor to be next to somebody that was working with DeAngelo like yeah I had nothing whatsoever to do I was just in the office but that was like one of the coolest times ever of like damn listening to a

d'angelo project right now yeah like nobody's heard yeah um but yeah uh shit with me and dixon we're in um electric lady which is a very famous studio in new york city where you know de angelo recorded most of his work so aquariums from fuck eric badu everyone you know recorded out of there. We, like, didn't work for, like, an hour and a half because we were just sitting there talking about, like, you, like, D'Angelo sat right here. Yeah. Like, we shouldn't be allowed in this.

Like, why are we working in here? Like, this is nuts. Like, that's the same booth. Incredible talent, man. So, yeah, rest and peace again. I don't know if you have any DeAngelo memories. No. Not like, personal.

We're just like, you know. You guys covered everything. He's a good job. Yeah. I did see, and I'm not sure if this was a rumor, confirmed that. Prior to his death, he was working on, did it say like six different projects or something he was working on? That wouldn't surprise me.

So, I mean, hopefully that means, you know, we're still going to get DeAngelo music that he would want out, not just some shit that a label threw together with fucking old dat tapes. But he was privately battling pancreatic cancer. So it wouldn't surprise me if he was planning these projects for after his death. So, you know, I hope we get to at least hear, though, sometimes soon. Absolutely. But yeah, I don't really know how to turn

them up. Benzino. This was just a perfect example of sometimes. The Angelo to Benzinos. I know, I know. That's absolutely crazy. It's a perfect example of like sometimes honoring legends that have passed, like you should just sit out.

Sometimes we don't need to know what influences you had from him after his death. because I do believe that Benzino was influenced by DeAngelo. All of us were, but I didn't need to see, like, exactly how Benzino was influenced. Okay. I cannot. Okay. No, I don't think Benzino was influenced by DeAngelo.

Nothing about Benzino's music. Just be a shirtless and shadows. Nothing that I think this is just what call it. This is cloud chasing. I think that's exactly what this is. No, he was doing a truth. Yeah, he was, come on, he was giving DeAngelo his flowers before. Yeah, he didn't just do that when DeAngelo died.

That would be fucking nuts, but. Oh, he didn't just do this? No. It's still nuts. Wait, so he had this in the vault? Matter of fact, I think it's more disrespectful doing this when DeAngelo is alive so he can see it. Why? But why?

Oh, no, Pete is going to have to put that shit somewhere on the screen. It's the untitled video when DeAngelo is shirtless with that shadow, but Benzino took that and put his own spin on it. With him being shirtless. This is his, how does it feel? Yes. Okay. Okay.

Listen, man, I mean, I stayed corrected. This was before, this video was out before DeAngelo passed. Yes. Okay. And I stand correct. Maybe Benzino was influenced by him.

No, no. He was suggesting, like, you know, he posted it when Benzino passed, like, hey, I've been influenced in my career by him. Here's an example of how. how it made him feel. Okay. And I saw,

I saw DeAngel's son post something of, you know, it's been a tough year. Thank you guys for having me in your thoughts and prayers. I'll definitely need it. Like, keep telling me that. Do you think this made him feel any better?

Like some things, some tributes should just be like kept in the touch. I'm sure he read, Beyonce's posting was like, oh man, that's really cool to know that my pop's,

you know, influence one of the biggest pop stars ever. Like those types of things, I think help in grief and death. If I saw this, like, that's going to delay like funeral plans. I'm going to be so angry.

Honestly, it probably gave him a laugh. It probably gave him a laugh. Or him and his dad may have laughed at that together before. And that could have been a good memory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like if that was out before his passing, then, yeah, I'm pretty sure DeAngelo laughed at that. Absolutely.

Yeah. I also thought, it's also crazy to think, that James got the last recorded DeAngelo record that was put out. Font laurie? James Samuel for the soundtrack for the Book of Clarence. It was the Jay-Zan DiAngelo record.

I want you forever. Yeah. So that was the last one that was put out while he was alive, which is crazy to think. But shit, now... That would make sense, though, James working with D. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah. I'm sure they had been talking about that for quite some time even before that um because i think james even went in interviews and like hove didn't even know about it and he just was sending him snippets and i think he said hove was on the treadmill sending him bars while he was running on the treadmill because he had this de angelo record like i yeah i'll rap for d'angelo record yeah you got a de angelo record yeah i'll get on that for sure that's such a that's such a cool way for hip-hop to age like a guy in his 50s on a treadmill writing raps to a de angelo record yeah

for a movie called Book of Claren. And then sending them as voice notes to like someone's iPhone. That shit is hilarious to me. Absolutely. But yeah, I wish you guys wanted to shame me so much when I thought DeAngelo was down the hall for me those months ago.

Oh, yeah, I remember that. Oh, yeah, I remember that. When you kept conveniently having to walk to the bathroom? Yeah. In the dungeon at Flux. Yeah. But I talked to the energy. But then when you told us that I understood it, though.

Like, I got it. Yeah. I was like, no, listen, that's DeAnglo. I get it. But it's like, there's a way to go about that still. But I understood, it's DeAngelo, bro. As a musician, as anybody, a producer, as an artist, if you have the opportunity to be in the same room, especially a studio, and just talk to DeAngelo and pick his brain about music. I mean, you definitely have to take that opportunity whenever you can because you don't know when you'll have that opportunity again.

And because he had probably the most unique voice in R&B history, maybe outside of like Marvin Gay. you know when you're walking past a studio and like, all right, that's DeAngelo and I've never heard that song. Right. What the fuck is going on in there? Yeah. But yeah.

Benzino, I guess we all grieve different. We do. That is very true. We do grieve differently. Absolutely. While I am happy that we get new music and we get a lot of good new music, right? Mm-hmm.

I do think that it's bad that we get, There's much new music. Why? It was three albums as far as like bigger artists. Yeah, but I feel like we just got the clips album a couple weeks ago. And Alfred O2. We just got Alfred O2 a few weeks ago. And now we have J.D album.

We have Gunner's album. We have Bryson Tiller's album. To name a few. I'm sure some other projects dropped. but like when do we have the time to really like listen to all of this because we spent so much time I was having a conversation with my boy the other day and we've lost we've in the conversation we've told about how we've lost the connection to music like this this times now where I could love somebody's album and I don't even remember the lyrics to the raps before if I loved to

probably this album is crazy. I could recite every song because I felt like there was a different connection to it versus now we do everything on our phone. If I'm listening to the music on my phone and then I get a text message or I get a call or somebody sends me a clip and I got to watch this clip. It's like you're being pulled away from what I'm really like I'm listening to music on my phone. So now if I got all these other things happening, there's like this connect. Like I hear the music. I hear it. Like I'm listening to the album. But there's no, like, the connection or the order like there's something this a there's like a wall in between us and really connecting to the music it feels like but i don't think it's a a music thing per se i just think it's

an entertainment thing well music is just folded into that because i mean even the way we binge shows like imagine if a season of the sopranos was available one day not spread out amongst 14 weeks where you watched an episode, you talked about it with your friends for the whole week, you made predictions, you did all that. Like you can just binge things immediately. And on top of that, you have every bit of content in your phone on social media, whether it be TikTok, IG.

Like, music is gonna fall to the waist size in that regard. And it's so, it's so much easier to make music now. It's easier to make it, it's easy to put it out. So in that regard, you have, and we'll get to the Bryson thing, but you can put a, album out. But the contradiction there is I feel like no one has the attention span for it. So it's easier to put it out, but you're putting it out to consumers that don't have the time

or attention span to listen to that amount. So yeah, everyone's fucked in that regard. Like imagine working on a Netflix series for three years and somebody binges it in one rainy Saturday and then says, yo, where's season two? Yeah, I put my life into this shit. Yeah. Yeah, it's access to everything. And even when I'm watching something I'm engaged with, I look at my phone and start scrolling through, I'll see that. Right. And I get distracted. And music is the same way. Like, it's very low on the totem pole if you're not like a real lover of music. But even if the songs are too much. I love, I love the technology now because again, literally I could pull up any song. I can be thinking about a record

and type it in and pull it up and listen to it. So I love... You can start saying the lyrics to Siri. I love that aspect of it, but there is a difference in the way I connect to music now than I used to. Like, when I had to literally buy physical music

or, you know, a CD album, there was like a different... Even if I didn't like it. Because you could only carry so much with you. Like, I used to carry the big CD booklet, but even then, I would keep one CD But this is what I'm saying. I think it's too much now.

Like we just, I'm still listening to Alfredo 2 and now I got J.Jid's album. Now I got, you know, Bryce's album. It's like, bro, I'm still, I haven't really even, you know, really digested all the bars in Alfredo 2 yet. And now J.D. is on, on my phone. Okay. All right. I hear you. And again, I'm not trying to be devil's advocate here.

Ironically, on September 11th. when Blueprint and FAB's first album came out, like people used to drop on the same day, graduation Curtis. Like that would happen often where people would drop on the same day. No, right.

But tell me what came out three weeks before those albums. Oh, I see. Yeah. I don't know. You get what I'm saying? Like, that's the difference. It's like, okay, we get Alfredo two weeks ago, a week ago.

And then now this week, Jid, next week, Chance the rapper. It's like, it's like if I'm going to, phone call having a good conversation with somebody and somebody calls in i'm like hold on how rare how often do i go back to that other call but that's if it's another good comment like my homie calls i'm like yo i'm down town

yo it's crazy it was lit i don't i just saw so i forgot i got homey on the on hold now so now it's like when do you when do you have an opportunity to really or it's a shorter window to connect to the music now i think and i mean i'm not saying this about you whatsoever i'm just saying the consumer i feel like a lot the consumers listen to react as quick as they can rather than live with the music and then move on to the next thing that they can react to. So as an artist, how do you navigate through that? Do you take two years to create and then for somebody in three hours to be like, yo, this shit trash? Yeah. That's out of, at that point, that's out of your control. That's where finding the right consumer and the right tribe and the right core fan base matters the most, which is, which will get to

J-ID shit, I don't think he tried to chase anything at all but his core fan base on this project, myself being one. And I think that was the smartest thing ever. Like, you try to, I get it. You got to grow and get more fans the best way possible. Shit, we go through with podcast and two down to how we title certain YouTube shit. But at the end of the day, it's still the core that's really going to matter and return. And that's the only people you really should feed. That's the strategy that's the only strategy that you could have control of feeding your core and your tribe along the way maybe you'll get some more people but do you think fredi and al was sitting there of like yo we got to get as many people as possible to go back to listen to alfredo one after

listen to this no let's let's keep our formula and grow our formula that's what's going to move any type of vinyl move actual real ticket sales that's the only thing that matters at this point if you're in that space and JID is a big artist like he has an M&M feature that we were completely wrong about I feel like we deserve some credit because I think he added it back to the album

because of us well no you came in here with information that you heard or you received from somewhere it was on an EP I didn't know it was gonna be on album that was the old Rick Ross move no but I ain't gonna lie

like that would have been insane if you don't put he said when all that shit came out that this was not on that album oh he did say that When he posted the EP shit, correct me if I'm wrong, fans, you can kill me in the DM.

When he was tweeting, she was like, yo, I want to put out some shit before my project. Like, this is, this is the EP before the album. Okay. Like, this didn't have a place on my album. Okay. But again,

I mean, it's an M&M feature, so it should stay there. And I wasn't too mad at it in the sequencing. It's not really a song for me. All right, yeah. The prelux is strictly to get people talking intrigued, excited about the album, that's all.

Yeah, how I interpreted it, which is, you know, obviously I was wrong. I interpreted that along with everyone else that this was like your pre-epish. The pre-lux is strictly to get people talking. Intrigued, excited about

the album. Great strategy, but would you not read that? So there's another inverse on the main album. Nope, I got two of the best fast rappers of all time. I think he was alluding to himself in there. But, I mean, either way, yeah.

To close your point in that regard, I think just feeding your core is the only way because the average consumer is just going to move on and swipe up to the next fucking 15 second reel. You can't like music, even when they've chopped it down to 2.30 as far as songs go, that's still hard to keep people's attention. Like you have fucking movie studios trying to figure out how can we capture somebody in 10 seconds

and they're putting out films that are four hours. Right. We're fucked with a microwave brain. Like that's just how things go. So it is kind of on you as the consumer to get out of that way because yes, I'm more attached to some of the music I grew up on but I also had a different mind state and was in a different environment at that time and how I even consume things.

So as a music lover, as a consumer, sometimes I have to like discipline myself and be like, yo, don't look at your phone, sit and just live with this music. Because I know that's where your heart really is with this shit and like how you feel better and everything. I guess for me it's just different though because I used to literally, when the album come out, you know, artists I like drops a project. I burn that project to the ground because I need to hear it. I need to live with it. I need to move around with it just to see if I like it, love it, hate it. Now it's like I'm in the mix of still trying to figure out.

if I love this project or not. And then now this week I got another artist that I like. He's dropping his album. I got to listen to this. Now it's just, it's like, it seems like you can't, I can't listen to everything fairly. But we also got older. Like you also have to add that factor.

Well, then that's another thing. Life happens. I got things to do now. Yeah. I can't just be listening to music. So all of these things happen, but just the cadence of the way we receive music, though, I think. It's just like, it's, it just feels very like,

it's almost like a conveyor belt and you know I'm seeing a product come down oh I like this and by the time I'm looking at this three more is going underneath the and I'm like oh shit like let me listen to it

it just feel like you always playing catch up when it comes to your favorite music but I mean I'll even say like I have not listened to the Gunna album yet but I'm very not because you don't like Gunna no you just haven't had the opportunity to hear

with that yeah with that said outside of I mean we have chance on on the podcast this coming week. And I had to listen to that album, plus J.I.D. and Bryson Tiller, three artists that I really like. Gunna, I like Gunna, don't get me wrong, but I've admitted, like,

I'm not going to move my life around for a Gunna album. It would strictly be for the podcast. Yeah. Which to me also feels a little gross because, like, why should I be the one even reviewing? Like, I feel like that's fucked up to Gunna. Yeah.

Like with them, not that we have the biggest, media platform, but, you know, people do listen to us. I'm not the one for this. Like, I like a Gunna song every now and then. I'm not going to sit there and do a deep dive on Gunner. And that's nothing negative about him. It's my taste. I'm sure Gunna would look at some of the music I listen to and be like, dog, you, that's whack. That's just, I don't know. Turn that off and listen to my brother. That's just how life goes. So you also have to take that into consideration. I'm not, Never in my life, even when I would be completely free and have nothing to do, would I run to go dissect a gun album? Yeah.

So add that into. And I think a lot of people feel that way with how much music is out there. I love that streaming allows you to not have to sit with the radio and the mainstream shit you're just forced to listen to. When I get in the car, I don't have to listen to what the radio is programming. But you're also going to not listen to other shit because of that. Even if gun is the biggest shit moving. I can't believe. I'm not going to sit there and listen to a gun of album on this album.

Like, I'd be lying if I said that. And listening to radio now, I can't believe I actually used to listen to the radio. Why? I used to record the radio. It's the same 12 songs from seven artists over. When was it not that? And over. But that's what I'm saying.

Now that you realize that now that I have the ability to listen to whatever I want, whenever I want, I can't really, I cannot believe that radio was such a big part of my life at one point. Because when you listen to it now, like sometimes in commute, I'll just listen to the radio. And then like, example, the other day I went out. So I caught an Uber, went downtown, right? When I got out the car, a song was playing. Two hours later, I got back in an Uber. That same song was playing again. And I was like, bro, this is, so now I'm listening because now I'm going to say, okay, let me hear what's next.

It almost got to a point where I know which song they get ready to play next. So I'm just like, we used to sit down in the crib like around the radio and listen. And it's like, bro, it's the same songs, the same artist. And then I'm thinking like, we know how programming works. We know that they have playlists at the radio and things like that. But my thing is there's so many other songs and dope artists that you could easily, like, we don't have to listen to this song three times in the hour. like there's two other artists you get to put in that spot and played their new record i mean i hear you

but in yes this was programming working but like you know i remember taking the boombox to go play ball and just waiting for country grammar to play like just waiting for it and yeah it would play once an hour but that was like a moment at that time that's why it resonated more because we only had access to that. Had I had the ability to just listen before the album came out, had the ability to just listen to country grammar every five minutes, I probably would have moved the fuck on. The fact that we sat around the radio waiting for that song, even if it played every hour, like it made it resonate more. So that speaks to it. Even like when we would, TRL 106 in part, like Tara waiting for DMX party up video. Like run home so you could watch that again.

If YouTube was really a thing, it wouldn't have been a moment with me and my friends of like, yo, what number you think? Yo, that part in this. Yo, I caught another thing in the video because you could only maybe see it once a day. Yeah, you can't rewind it. This was before we had Tivo. Yeah. And even when we used to record the radio on tapes, because I'm really not that young, we would do that as well.

Like, all right, if we want to listen to this again, let's do a push tape. Like, literally record the radio. That was a thing. that made it a moment for a record. Outside of it just resonating sonically, that was like a moment with your friends. So, yeah. So who knows the lyrics?

Like, that was a thing. So to the point, too much access kind of killed that. Like having the ability to control. You shouldn't have that much access to art at any time. It's a catch-22. Like I really see both sides of how great that is because I love the ability to do that. Especially when I got an iPod,

I thought it was the greatest thing ever. Yeah. And it definitely changed my, music discovery and my music taste. But it did definitely take away from the moments you have with music. Like the JID and Offset record, which is fired, bodies and floor shit. Like if that was in radio time, that would probably be a joint that would live with me forever. Right. But now, I don't know. I mean, I like it. Yeah. But I'm too much access. Yeah, I'm not waiting for that record to come on because I can just play it.

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he's starting to enter into... I'm about saying young boy was blowing up. I know. I'm sorry, that's why I corrected myself. That's why I corrected myself. He's entering into my old-ass stratosphere of old people's shit, right, who's still playing a clips album over and over again. Like, he's starting to go viral over here.

Like, damn, like NBA Youngboy shows look lit. Like, oh, no, it's his show. This shit looking like somebody to be at. A real, real, real fan base. But I do like seeing this because a lot of people, including myself, say, all right, you stream crazier than everyone. Can you sell a ticket? Not only is he selling crazy.

Everyone knows every fucking word. They're losing their mind. Kai is crying. Like, my bad. Yeah, seeing NBA Young Boy shows is definitely, like, confirmation that I'm just old. I don't know one NBA Young Boy shows. young boy like no song and like I'm watching the clips and I'm like I love the like seeing the entire like stadium or arena everybody into it everybody knowing but it's kind of like I'm looking

at this shit like oh this is a whole part of the culture that I have no idea like the jzy meme he was like yeah like I'm like he getting his shit off like he flowing and I'm just like and I'm looking at you know just the the audience and everybody knows all the lyrics and things like that and I'm just like the energy is what is a trap I'm like oh shit like this is a show. If you go out on stage as an artist, it is your own, it's your,

like, there's nothing probably greater than looking out into a fucking arena and everybody knows every word you're saying. Like, that's an artist's dream.

You know what I'm saying? So to see that and to see everybody so, like, just turned up and, you know what I'm saying? There's somebody from, it's like,

okay, like, this is a show. This is, these are like his fans, like, people that have been waiting to see him.

live. They couldn't wait for this moment. They couldn't wait for this tour to come to their city. Like, this is what hip hop is about. Like, rapper comes on stage. Everybody goes crazy. Nobody's trying to be, you know, cool. Everybody's standing on their seats. Shirts off, rapping. The girls know the lyrics. The guys know the lyrics. Like, that to me is just some incredible shit to witness. So we're going? I don't know. We should go as a social experiment. I don't know if that's the social experiment, though. I don't know if you want to socially experiment with an NBA young boy live show. I am curious.

I feel like you'll get chased out because they, I feel like his fans know. Make sense. Yeah, you know, you ain't supposed to be here. This ain't for you. Like, we don't try to jump on now. Yeah. Like, we've been, this has been a whole way. Obviously, I'm familiar with NBA young boy.

I don't know his music the way his fans, you know, know it. But I'm familiar with the fan base that he has. I'm familiar with the following that he has and the, the, streaming numbers that he does. Like, we all know that. But to now see it, like, night after night, he just did L.A. last night. Kai was there. Kai is crying. I'm just seeing this shit. I'm just like, yo, what is happening right now? I'm curious based off the sound of stuff. Like, for example, when we saw Gucci versus Gizi and we saw the difference, Gucci being the legend that he is, a lot of his legendary records were never mixed. They was thrown out. Like, GZ had Def Jam behind him

with the biggest budget, his records just feel expensive, they sound expensive. The Gucci shit didn't hit the same next to that. I've never seen an arena tour. Young Boys volume, like how much he puts out. Some of his most classic records are like two-track shit that I don't even know how it could sound in an arena. Yet when I see the footage, it looks like fucking Jay Cole's performing. That's what I want to see. Like how are these records transferring in a arena?

I've never seen anyone do that. to my young boy the type of music he makes and even some of the classic core fan base records he has are so low quality I'm not talking about him but they're low quality records

you can tell you two track it was like yo upload that to the internet now I would love like I want to know how that rings off in an arena because even Gucci Gucci has classic shit but even though just on a stream next to GZ with an expensive sound

it's like damn this is a classic GZ record but it don't hit because it just don't sound the same next to this And then in a state and an arena. Yeah, like I got to know how that sounds. All that shit from Young Boy sounds look like is going off. I love seeing people online saying, yo, if he don't perform this one, I'm going to be upset.

Like, all of that to me is just dope to see people so engaged with an artist like that. And then for NBA Young Boy to go out there and, you know, it seems like he's, you know, he's fulfilling the request. Yeah. He's doing all the joints that, you know, his fans want to hear. I just think this is some really, really dope shit. to watch. Josh, I'm sending you the viral TikTok that's like going on right now with this girl that has like everybody like, well, damn, I want to go to the NBA show. That's the one that made me

want to go to the NBA show. I'm like, yo, I want to feel this passionately about music. Like, they screaming that shit like when the first month that like dreams and nightmares came out. I'm like, I want to feel that feeling again. I want to feel that bitch, I'm a boss feeling again. The niggis and Paris feeling. Like, I haven't had that feeling a while. A connection to it because they lived through the time of. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We can't go because it's like we would just be trying to. get on board now and it's kind of like we're not going to understand it we need some time to really like i mean it sounds fire that she looks like that sounds fire like she delivered the fuck out of this

too i pause it dash for we get um which i'm gonna call it demonetized but come on man how do you not that shit sounds fire to me i can't like i want to go with her yeah like i want to go with somebody that's gonna like wrap those lyrics in my face so i start to feel like oh this is this is see that's why i know this is close to your chest because you know you know you know how I'm at shows. I'm just standing there literally just watching the artist perform. I'm not, you've been to me to me with Drake shows. You're like, you're just standing there. And I know all these records. I don't know all of these records. So I'm really going to be listening, standing there watching young boy perform. And I can't go with somebody that knows and they

hyped and they're trying to get me. I'm like, oh, bro, I don't even know what he's saying. Niggas will be mosh-pitting. Yeah, so it's fake if I go, because I don't even know these songs like that. So some of them, I'm like, I might know a couple of the bars. Like, yeah, I remember that ball right there. But these people are, like you said, Rory, they grew up with this shit. They lived with this music. They couldn't wait for Young Boy to come to their city. Like, they've been waiting for this moment for years.

So now that it's here, I just think it's dope to see it. And shout out the Young Boy, man, because, you know, being able to develop a fan base like this and all of these years of curating this, this sound for your audience. and now being able to go to these cities and sell out these arenas is it's some dope shit so salute them be a young boy man I'm gonna check it out I feel like I've always judged him by the way he looked Mm-hmm like I mean he looked like every other Yeah, no that's why I don't listen to them if I if I met you he looked like who else? Who? A bunch of artists you listen to it's the same look who who who?

Demas you listen to ratchet shit Not men that's I listen to women ratchet shit I don't listen to men ratchet shit I don't know none of this shit of these people. Okay. If I will meet you in a dark alley and you look like I should be afraid of you like I should cross the street, I don't really check your music out. I don't know. And I shouldn't do that.

I should be better, which is why I'm going to check out some of MBA's music. I don't be listening to these rappers with the tattoos and shit on their face like that. I don't listen to that. You listen to Wayne? I was just about to say. Okay, Wayne. The original, the creator, right? But these new ones, no.

And y'all don't either. Why about looking at me like I'm crazy? Oh, no, I've tried with a young boy. I'm aware that he has been a superstar in his own right with his fan base for a long time. I've seen the numbers. I've tried. I've done the Jay-Z headbop, like, pretending like I think this is all right, but I'm never going to listen to this to again. But I need somebody like that girl to sell it to me with the green hair.

What's worse with a concert? Going with somebody that's way too cool, like I'm all bringing up the Drake show when we was there. Or, for example, Diani, Scotty Beam, love you to death. every cold show I go to with her she's rapping every fucking word in my face the entire time I was insane at the cold show I was insufferable

So which one do we like Because I feed off Dionys energy It makes it feel a little bit better Like sometimes I'll rap back with her I get mad if I'm in the car And somebody's rapping the whole song Oh I don't get a car Oh yeah no car that's too much

So now we have to show A loud enough for you can wrap a lot If we have to show If we have to show you keep jumping in my ear And my face trying to get balls I'm gonna say yo shut the fuck the artist is right here in front of us like let them do that you shut you shut up nah that was me at cold I was torrid but you wrapped along at a concert before no I'm not saying screaming in someone's face but yeah but I'm not grabbing you trying to like get you

like but to that type of show that's what you gotta do at this show you gotta punch somebody in their face yeah like you got yeah you got to punch somebody in their face for interest it's like a yellow shot yeah this is this is that's just what this is it's it's it's it's dope to see it man definitely dope to see it. I know he did LA last night, I think. I'm not sure where else's going, but, yo, I got, I got, I got to, I got to, I got to download more and be a young boy music and learn the music more so I can, before I can go to a live show, I can't just go out there not knowing, I got to know the music. I have to know the music. He comes into Newark, September 29th. Oh, my God. Well, not your actual birthday, but your birthday weekend.

Yeah, no. No, no. I can't be new work. I would have considered. I would have considered. the garden or Barclays? Oh, Barclay September 27. I live closer to the Prudential Center. Did you have Barclay September 27? Yeah. The, yo, the Jersey crowd, the Jersey young boy crowd. I'm good. That is going to be the most terrifying. I'm scared. The Newark show compared to the garden show, which by the way is 20 minutes away from each other is going to be two different world. No, I'm cool. I'm cool. I'm going to Brooklyn. I promise you I'm not going to the one in Newark. You bug the fuck out. It was get-up for a Gen. Jena I go concert in Newark. I'm cool.

If you're going to experience it, maybe the Newark one is the one. Yeah. But I got to get the real feeling. But they're going to shoot outside that shit. Yeah. Newark? I'm cool. I feel like I got to wear shysie if I go, though.

I got to. But then you're going to be like everybody else. You got to stand out. Nah, no, you got to blend. I have to blend in. Where in a suit to NBA Young Boy Show? They will beat the shit out of me. First of all they're going to think I'm a narc.

I'm like, who this police has? A suit at an NBA Young Boy Show? No. No, you can't. dressed like we go into the GZ orchestra show. No, that's fine. No, it's not. I promise you it's not.

Nah. I feel like NBA Young Boy show should change the rules for arenas. I should be able to walk in with no shirt. This people didn't need with no shirts on. Well, they walked in with a shirt on. They took it off after. I'm saying I should be able to show up with no shirt at all. I mean, you know.

Has young boy ever, like, one shirt? Yeah. Ooh. Oh, I thought that was his whole aesthetic. He's just shirtless old thing. No, he went, he went some shit on stage. I mean, I'm sure at some point. you might take a shirt off and really get into the, you know, into the night.

But it's just dope to see it, man. All the clips I'm seeing is the energy is, I haven't seen, bro, I'm not going to lie. That type of energy is crazy for the entire arena to be. You know how hard it is to sell tickets, period right now, let alone an arena? But you know, that type of clip? Yeah. Yeah. And then like I said, his fan base is very, they've been waiting for this shit.

They've been way, couldn't wait for this tour. And you know, the dedicated fans. because I'm not going to get into, everyone makes mistakes. But I feel like every other month I'm seeing some wild shit that young boy is doing. Like those are loyal. He could do anything. The fact how he's moved on certain things or how the internet has painted him and you could still sell out arenas this way, yeah, they love your music.

Philly, I'd rather die. Yeah, Philly would be kind of nuts. He signed a motel? Well, I mean, it merged. They all merged. It's musical chairs. Like he didn't sign. into the same Motown.

No shit, Roy. Oh, he was in Oakland. That wasn't even L.A.? That was Oakland last? Oh, what dates is that? No, he's in Oakland tonight. Oh, yeah. Well, tomorrow.

Okay. He was in L.A. last night, though. Okay. On the low, I think the Phoenix show might be the scariest. Because I know the Mexicans love young boy. That might be, it would rival between Norfolk and Phoenix

to the scariest shows on the store. Go down. Oh, no. Oh, no. St. Louis and Chicago might. Wait, hold on. St. Louis for sure. Baltimore, I don't know.

I'm not going to no NBA young boys show. In Baltimore, I'm cool. I'm cool. Oh, no, that's Chicago one that's scary. Because he had beef for Chicago. Like, he had beef for Dirk. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, man. Hopefully, you know, I mean, hopefully nothing happens. We don't want to get no news about anything negative or crazy happening. because seeing this type of energy is just dope to see people go out and support their artists. But we know the history of him in certain Chicago artists. Y'all don't know nobody from that side? From what side? NBA young boy's side.

Listen, I told you when I went to Baton Rouge a couple months ago and she told me, oh, this young boy's hood, I said, can we just not be here then? We was driving. She said, yeah, where are you from? I was like, well, then let's take a left and a left and get the fuck out of here. You're scared? Yeah. You thought I was going to say no

Yeah, nigga Actually, the fuck They were scared They walk around with the assault Rifles just out Like, you ain't even illegal Yeah, I don't need to be there Hopefully going to talk again

In a couple years And I could, I want to learn No, I want to go now Now to prime I want to go now I want to go the energy It's fake if I go now I don't know the music enough

But that's okay Do you actually people A lot of people Tend to go to shows To learn new music You don't got to go to the show And know every song You gotta know the music man

That's like going to the game And not knowing who playing I don't know these. Yeah, but you discover, you discover songs because a lot of songs you might put on like in your headphones be like, turn this shit off, right? But you go to the show and you see shirt and with the green hair doing all that. It's like, wait, hold on. What's this song? Let me.

That's why you're supposed to go check out new shows. Local artists, all of that stuff. Man, sitting at the young boy show in the mosh pit trying to hold your phone up for Shazam. Yeah, they're going to knock you up. Who's going to? No, I would be in the sky box somewhere. Put me in a suite. let me just chill up here look down at you know the real fans

I just want to hear the music and see the performance like let me I can't be in I need to touch the thing nah I can't be in that what's the most dangerous show you've ever been to the most dangerous show I've ever been to even if it turned out that way and you didn't anticipate it the most dangerous show I've never been to a dangerous show

I feel like it may have been somebody at Irvin Plaza Well, not that time Oh, the nipsy hustle one Watered Crips in the building But I felt safe This was in New York Irvin Plaza

Oh, okay Yeah, I feel like it was I can't remember who it was though I felt safe though But I feel like it was Irvin Plaza Okay Might have been I was in there

I remember having a feeling like Yeah, the energy in here It's a little tense But never in like Never at the garden I never meant to show At the garden Well, I mean

you did say you were in the hallway when R. Kelly walked down and violence ensued. That was kind of dangerous. There was a gun there. He said he didn't want nobody looking him in his eyes. And then somebody allegedly put pepper spray in his eyes. Yeah, but that wasn't dangerous. That was R&B. That wasn't like dangerous.

I mean, speaking of Newark and Jersey in general, Hot 97 once did, remember when they used to do those like next up or whose next shows? Which I appreciate. They was trying to get, like, local talent. And they did one that was just specific to Jersey with a bunch of Jersey acts. I want to say Tretch hosted it as well. That was the most violent show, I think I've ever been.

That, like, they rivaled what when Saigon, Prodigy and all the Queensbridge fought at SOBs with that legendary footage. There was so much tension in that small, small fucking venue. Yeah. That was probably the one time been a show where I'm like, I don't know if this is worth worth staying here. Like, yeah. I'll be a bystandard somehow in this entire show. I can't remember who was at Irvin Plaza.

Like who was before? It may have been meek and somebody else. And I was just like, yeah, this energy. And it was just a little, you know, you know that energy where it's just like the faces ain't friendly, nobody's smiling. It's not a lot of women. You know those shows. Of course.

You know what I'm just like, all right, man. I'm about to, well, let me stand close to the exit because it might go down there. I've told you guys the story of when I was DJing at the New Eurekaan with my man's and we got into it and I thought I was going to die with the guys from Connecticut. Yep. So there was another time I was DJing from Mands. I was opening up for, I won't say his name, he was signed to the lock, not the locks, to D Block at the time. And we were opening up for him based off his manager's relationship with D Block. But my man's was on some singing and rapping shit.

it wasn't that type of crowd. Yeah. This is like when you really got to cut your teeth and earn your keep, like what it's like to feel like you're dying on stage of just going record to record. Somebody that was affiliated with that artist

twice my size, in the middle of my man performing. We had like an intricate DJ set. I was trying to mix certain stuff. Like we had a set. We rehearsed. It's cues. He was waiting for this moment.

Cues, like all this entire. thing, Svah, fucker over me, hits the fader and puts it to the side and

says, it's time for you to leave. In the middle of the performance? Yeah. But I was on vinyl, so I had two

things playing, so it didn't affect, like my man kept rapping. And it was the first time of my life where I was like, I'm about to say something that I know

I'm going to die, but I have no other option. You got to be a man. Yeah, I had no other option. I know this is not going to end well. I say, ain't no fucking way. We got three more fucking songs. Get away from me. Let's just say we were handled outside of the building, but my man finished the set. No, handled out of the bus. Finish the set, though. Finish the set. Handled.

We get beat up outside, but we finished the set, though. That's what that matters. And my man who I love did what every opening act does, because the locks are supposed to be special guests with this guy as well. It was like on the flyer. So when you're just, drowning in a set and it's dead choir and saying like, yo, yo, get the fuck off the stage. Yo, who's ready to see the locks? Whole crowd erupts.

And he said for the last song he went. Yeah, no, cut it. Let's get the fuck out of it. We was in there, because this was 2009, like when we were on the blog era type of rap and that crowd was not trying to hear none of that shit. He was really singing. He was like had an R&B part.

It was a bunch of dudes in champion hoodies waiting to see if style was going to show up. It was, it was one of the crazy experiences. But no, we were physically handled out of that. Toad's place? No, no, no. It was in the city. I want to ask you a question actually, because I value your opinion. I value your opinion. Okay. I love this. So I was reading my devotional today, and the message was about forgiveness, right? Okay. Being able to forgive people that have hurt you. Okay. Because as God has forgiven us for our sins, and I've sinned many a times. Amen. How do you feel about being able to forgive somebody even if you don't want them in your life anymore?

Somebody that did some fucked up shit to you. And you don't want them in your life anymore. Are you still able to forgive them? I think it depends on where you're at, mentally, emotionally. If you're that mature, yeah, I've done it. I forgive people that have done some crazy shit to me that most people probably wouldn't forgive. but me not forgiving them does what? You know what I'm saying?

Like, I think that energy is just on you. But when you forgive you, like, listen, it's all good. And you kind of just move forward. I think that's a little easier sometimes because it's not on you. It's not like a constant thought or, you know, something that you're constantly thinking of. It's like I'm over that. I've grown since that. I've matured since that.

But you have to be at that point, though. You have to be at that point in your life where you just like, because when I was, was younger. Like, you know what I battle with that a lot with? Finding out who killed my brother. And I think about that a lot. Like, if I was to find out now, what would my reaction be? Would I want revenge?

Or would I just be like, you know, kind of like, forgive, move forward? Because that's what the Quran says, right? Forgive and, you know what I'm saying, you move. But it's like, it depends on what day you ask me that. Just being honest. You know what I'm saying? Some days I'm like, fuck no. I gladly go sit down in prison to revenge my brother's death.

You know what I'm saying? But then in some days where I'm like, I can't put my moms through that. I can't put my nieces and nephews through that. I can't put my brothers and sisters through that, like them having to come visit me in prison and all. Like, you know what I'm saying? So you battle and that's like, you know, that's like the biggest thing to try to forgive somebody for

is taking the life of one of your loved ones. But it's like you have to get to that point where it's like, I forgive and I move forward with my life. family is blessed family is healthy you look at those things and you kind of compare it to what would be the point of me not forgiving this person like what is that what does that do now again depends on which day you ask me of course some days I'm strong and some days I'm weak as a motherfucker if you ask me in a week day where that nigga at I'm ready to go after we did three episodes oh I'm ready I'm ready to raise hell I'm ready to raise hell I'm ready to raise hell like

kill everybody, you know what I'm saying? But then there's some days where, you know, I get videos of my nephew playing golf and I'm just like, damn, my nephew liked golf. That's fire. Like, and I want to see him grow and see him become a man and do things like, do I want to do that from a prison? You get me? Like, you start thinking about the things that you won't be here for and the things that

you'll miss. Me talking to my homeboys that's locked up and hearing how they talk about not being around for their kids and not being around for their fans. Like, you weigh a lot of those things and forgiveness sometimes is the best, is the best choice and just to move on. Even if you never get an apology. Even if you never get an apology. Because sometimes you don't need it.

There's plenty of things that I moved on from that I don't want an apology from. I don't care to get an apology from. It's like for what? Like, I don't even, this person to me is not even, I don't care to have an apology from you. Like, it's just to stay on my way, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, we ain't going to be hanging out. it. It ain't none of that. I ain't that strong, you know what I'm saying? But it's just like,

you know, I'm not tripping either though. Like I'm not bent out of shape. I'm not looking for no apology. I'm not looking for life goes on, man. As tough as it's as tough as that is sometimes to just accept life, you know what I'm saying? And you have to go with life. Like, all right, it is what it is. Never forget. You don't forget what you've been through. You don't forget what you went through. You don't forget those feelings and those emotions. But you learn from them. you grow from them and you, you know, you kind of say, all right, well, I have to move with life. Life goes on. To me, I mean, I'm just speaking for myself.

I can't speak to everybody. But I think it's easier sometimes to just kind of just forgive and move forward. I agree. My biggest thing is I have a hard time when not getting the apology. I need because now I feel like. If you're giving that person too much power, too much. You're giving them too much. You know what you need, what you need, what you need that person, because that's ego.

A lot of that is ego that you're talking about. Like what you need that person to apologize for? I hate one of motherfuckers like when I know I'm right. Like I know I'm right. Like in this scenario, I know I didn't do anything wrong. I know I'm right. And you just won't give that to me.

And I know that that is ego, right? I know that that's ego. And I need to let that go. But it's like, nah, you need to fucking apologize. But you know. Because you're not even sorry. You ain't even going to even going to pretend to be sorry. Nah.

But you know what it is though, Damaris? Like when you know you right, the truth speaks for you. You ain't got to say a motherfucking thing sometimes. You just watch the truth speak and you just sit there just looking at anybody like, I tried to tell y'all niggas this however long ago. So something's your own, you don't need no apology for nobody. For what? Nah, you don't need.

We tell ourselves that. That's ego talking to us. Now he got to say sorry. She got to fuck that. She got to apologize for that shit. For what? she know she know or he know he know he know the truth he know the real like that's she going eat them up every you know sometimes when you just remove yourself from people like your presence

and your energy that's all you don't need no I don't need no apology from nobody you ain't got to say I'm sorry I was fucked up it was my fault I don't need that because you ain't stop nothing it's been lit since that like very shit been you know me so you look at that all that other is just your ego talking to you like you don't need that shit man we put too much on our but again I know because I've been in those situations too I'm like I don't even need that like that was stupid but that was your ego but as you get a little older you start understanding like it's going like the day going in the hopefully you see the next day and that's it just move forward you don't need people to tell you that they fucked up you I was wrong they know that already

and if they get to a place where they are ready to say that and that Hit that, then cool. But you don't need that, though. Like, so we got to stop saying, I need nine. They got to say, for what? How do you get better at not operate and out of your ego as an adult? I've been struggling more with that with my relationship. Like, I peep it now, right?

Because I peep it because I'm in a healthier relationship. When I was a very bad space in a different relationship, it was okay for the eagle to fly because we was just doing a whole bunch of toxic shit anyway. But now that I'm trying to be in a healthy relationship, I see my ego creep up. like, oh, that was ego. That wasn't necessary or that wasn't. So I'm trying to get better at recognizing it and not speaking from it. But it's like in the back of my mind, I'm like, if something goes wrong and I didn't flex

my ego, I'm going to regret it. And I'm trying to get out of that mind state. So help. The fact that you're trying to get out of it is great. That means because you recognize it. Like, you know, that's unnecessary. So that right there is enough. Eventually, you'll just see that you're just doing it.

Like, you just completely removed yourself from having that. ego where it's just like because again it's everybody got their shit everybody got their faults everybody nobody's perfect life is tough for everybody some some people's lives are tougher than yours so when you just look at shit like that like from that perspective like let me remove myself and my emotions from this and let me just assess the situation what happened what's going on once you do that and you realize first a lot of times the energy you be trying to put into shit ain't even worked it the situation ain't that serious the moment ain't that serious the moment ain't that It's just like, remove that ego, cool.

As long as nobody put their hands on you, nobody ain't physically, because I need my lick back. You hit me, Nick. I'm hitting back. That's what we doing. But if it's just actions and something somebody said, I don't care about that, man. That shit is, that's all ego talking to you. And you get to a point in life where you just like, no matter what happens, I'm going to do what I want to do. I'm going to enjoy myself.

Like whether people are alone for the ride or not, we're going to have fun. ego will stop you from experiencing and really enjoying a lot of shit because you're so caught up in your own thoughts in your own mind of how you feel like it's supposed to go and how you feel like it's no it's not sometimes it's just it's not what you you're overthinking a lot of shit you overanalyzing a lot of that shit a lot of times we make up situations that's not even a real thing like that's not even I hear people like yo I don't

fuck with that nigga what happened and the niggas tell you what happened you like that's what all this y'all back and for that? Like it be it's like oh y'all just it's ego talking yeah and that's just but that again that's human nature we all have it we all have been through it but then you get to a point where you understand how to control it you understand when and where to use your e because ego is good it's good to have a ego but you got to understand when and where to use it though and how to use it like sometimes you need ego for competitive things and things like that like to kind of talk to yourself and get yourself going but like pushing it on situations that's not even like serious or

worth it, that's, that's just immaturity. That's stupid. Damn, that's some real ass wisdom coming from the birthday boy. Thank you. I mean, I'm just, you know, just trying to, you know. Just trying to tell, you know me how it is, man. When you live long enough, you start looking at shit, like, that was stupid. Oh, I should have never said that.

I should have never did that. And I mean, I live, we, I'm in front of a mic and on camera. Like, you know how much shit I say and things. Years ago and out here now, I'm like, damn, I don't even, I'm not even that person or more. But it's, it's real. moment is how I felt. If I'm old and more matured now, of course I don't feel those ways and think like that. I would hope that I've grown and matured since 10 years ago. You know what

I'm saying? Like shit, I said 10 to 11 years ago. No, I don't feel away about a lot of those things anymore. But in the moment, yeah, I may have felt like that, but that's where I was at in my life in that moment. And that's just, you got to accept that from anybody. Like, that's just who they are. But again, when you start analyzing shit, just remove your ego from it a lot of times and just kind of look at the whole situation and you'll you'll land on the right side. Once your ego is going, it's easier to kind of kind of hit the mark. At least that's what I think. You know, I'm just giving you what I think.

So in relationships, just remove your ego a little bit. Yeah. Why he ain't called me, why he ain't. His world might be melting. This nigga might be going through a fucking depressed date. He ain't verbalized it. He ain't talked about it. It'd be a lot of that too.

You'd be like, yo, why he ain't, why? He's probably depressed. or she's depressed as fuck you that's what I'm saying it ain't got nothing to do with you mine be a my problem is that I need everything to be like I can be very tip for tat

I can be very like oh you doing this I gotta double it I know I know I know I know I'm aware and I try to I try to get better at it but it's like you wait too long to text me back back not in my current relationship but I would be oh you wait too long to text me back I'm a double it I'm double the time

you take 22 hours to text me back I'm gonna take three text you back where is that stemming from though where you think that's from? Um, if I was to be real honest with myself, like real, real deep, what I think a therapist would say is that there's an insecurity in making sure nobody plays with me. I don't, I don't ever want you can't want anybody to play with me. I never want to look stupid. And if I was to dig real, real deep into that, it's probably because of shit that I endured in childhood where I was

embarrassed a lot as a kid, um, just because of like family shit or things like that. And it's just like, I never want to be embarrassed again. I take embarrassment really, really hard. So I think that it's that. It's like, I'm never going to give you the chance to say that you had like one up on me. Like, I don't like that feeling. I don't like that feeling of like not being in control or somebody knowing something that I don't know. Like, I'm very nosy.

That's why I used to have that phone problem. Not even because I would feel like, always feel like somebody was cheating. It was just like I never, I used to go through my friends phones. When I was in middle school and high school, I would go and search my name. like because it was like or in like in college because I would feel like you know are you talking about me behind my back like is there something that you know that I don't know is there something you're saying about me that I don't know I don't like that feeling and I'm trying to let go of that because at one point I can see oh this has the potential to ruin my relationship with somebody that I love and I care about because I don't trust that what they say they feel about me they actually feel about me and that has more to do with I'm sure my own self-worth or shit that I've gone through than anything that they've showed me. So I'm aware of that. So what we all have are insecurity? Insicurities.

Ego. Yeah. Human nature. Human nature. But I'm getting better. Getting old and maturing and realizing your flaws and making those, you know, your strengths and kind of working on that. That's it.

It'll happen. But I'm glad that you understand that that's exactly what that is, insecurity, ego and shit like that because that's all it is. Once you remove that, because either way, if you do search a man's phone and he's cheating, then what? Then what? Then what? Then what?

So it's just like either way you go It's like Your heart gonna be broken either way That's okay You gonna be all right Hello You're gonna move on Life goes on right

If that nigga don't work Get another one If that one don't work Get another one But y'all have seen me come on this podcast And be madly heartbroken And then come in What a month later

I was like oh my God I'm happiest I've ever been In my entire like It's like clockwork As the seasons change So does baby D As the season Is it changed?

So does baby D. I get it. It's all good. But, you know, remove that ego, insecurities and, you know, you'll be right. We're going to be good.

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