New Rory & MAL - Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | Chris Gotti & Safaree

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

On this episode of Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball, the guys are joined by Chris Gotti and Safaree. Rory and Mal get into the making of their movie with Lance Stephenson "Ballin'", and the drama surrounding Irv Gotti's Summer Jam tribute #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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niggas ever out of New York City. I thought I was the legendary OG. I remember that's crazy. You can legend your own rights. No, no. Sabari's definitely a legend, but we'll get to his legacy in the minute. We're joined by Chris Gotti and Safari to talk about. the new movie ball and available now on two be how y'all feeling gentlemen man thank you for

having us number one listen i came in today i wasn't expected i knew god he was coming out well i didn't know safari was coming in until i got down there that was the best surprise the elevator opens and i was like i want before i could say safari who open the door see my guy safari so he was trying to surprise y'all with lance too yeah um but he's working out a big one's working out yeah he's working out of the big three you know he's over there with dizzley after that one-on-one It's crazy. Fresh off a fight. Yeah, fresh off the fight.

A little fist to cuts between him and the way, but that's part of the game, though. But he's busy working, but. Shout out the land. We'll have him sometime soon, though. How are y'all feeling though, man? What's going on? Man, everything's great, man.

I've, you know, first times for, you know, there's first for everything. And here we have a first number one movie on Tooby right now for new black films. Ballin. You know, shout out Rich. Rich Walker. He's the one who wrote the script,

and he's my partner as well. but Rich Blacks. I said Rich Walker. I'm like, who Rich Walker? Screen credit. Yeah. I should have said

Dwight. It's business now. Yeah. You know what I mean? We talk so much music on this pod. I think our fan base is probably more music driven than they are film driven. Well, you know, we have a soundtrack for this. And I'm going to talk about it because the soundtrack came from the spirit of the essence of us filming.

Okay. And the energy that was on the set with all the people. And Lance, I took him into the big studio for the first time. He's never been in a big studio until I brought him in. We went to Circle House out in Miami. We filmed out there. And Lance is a real bona fide artist. I don't know if people understand that.

The dude is real. Like, I was going to see what he's about, you know, just to see his chops inside of the studio. What did you think going in? I had no opinion. Okay. I deal with a lot of rappers that are basketball players or basketball players that want to rap. Whatever you want to do in that. Yeah.

I mean, Baron Davis. Shout out Barron. I did hundreds of records with Barron. He's another freestyleist. Like, if he took his series, he could really rap. Like, I know the difference from someone that's fake and not. Like, these dudes have real rapping capability. And he went in there with all ideas.

He's singing, I called him the Black Drake. He's singing and rapping. But Drake is Black. Yeah, no, Black Drake. The Darker? He's the Colony Island. He's the Cody Island. He's going, right.

He's the choreality and Drake, but at the end of the day, he really had those, that capability coming up with hooks and rhythms and melodies. That part is the hardest part to anyone could just rap. But to come up to make songs, he could make songs. To me, there's a difference. And I felt if people really listen to what he's saying in the songs itself, it would have real legs. The nigga, like, yeah, all right. No, no, I'm listening. No, go ahead.

I'm trying to catch him. I challenge. I challenged it. See what you just said? Cool. Pick a rapper and put his songs up and you understand. That's how strong I stand on it. Like I'm cool with that.

Like he's really a could rap. Well, our segment don't know ball for our pod. We usually talk to athletes that are rappers. Like we had Pac-Man on to talk about his music. Yes. Like, you know, that's kind of been a lot of the theme. But it's always went hand in hand. Yeah, it is.

Rap, hip-hop. It's all from the, we all from the same neighborhoods. It's all part of. I ain't going to lie to. His shit is fire. The soundtrack. He's fucking. Yeah, like the song.

Like, when I was hearing him, I was like, I was like, damn, these shits are, niggas was telling me you come to the studio. Yeah. I never went one night. Yeah. We invite him. Come on, come on.

He was at the Vives Cartel show. He was going to go. So talk to us about bowling. How did it come? Like, how did it come to fruition? How did it start? I know, obviously, started an idea. Yeah.

He sat down. Who thought about it. Who came up. Again, I give all the credit to Rich. Rich Walker. Rich Black Walker. My partner, he had. had this script for a minute, he had different cast.

And he kept pitching it to me telling me, let's do this movie. I'm like, I'm busy. You know, timing for any business is the number one reason you're successful. Absolutely. The right time. And it was the right time. And I said, I called him up. I said, let's do it.

I got the budget. Let's put it together. He sent me what he thought the budget was going to be. I green lit it right away. Thanks for the money. I said, I said, I said right away, the cast is wrong, though. If I'm going to do it, he had all no names.

Again, not saying like we have all these big stars, but I used influencer based to make the movie. He had just people that don't even, they have some acting chops or prior, like, tubi-type movies that they're in, but no one knows them. Right. What good is that?

So what came first? Was it the script in the idea or you had a deal in place already? No, the script in the idea was absolutely first. I read the script, said, let's do it. liked it. It's a twist. I don't know if you know Alfred Hitchcock. I'm going back. I'm dating myself. There's a movie he made called Dial M for Murder. Okay. That plot twist. All we did was take that same concept of the movie and put it to Urban to put it to black to our culture.

Okay. That's what we did. So it's really a Dial M for Murder, Ballin is Dile M for Murder. But with our plot twist for our culture today. Okay. When you wanted to switch up the cast, did you have people like Safari and Lance already in mind? Yes, right away. Okay. Why is that? Right away. First and foremost, I'm not going to say Safari.

He's going to speak in a second. But Lance, right away, he's balling. I need a basketball player. Yeah. I was running through a bunch of names. You know, Lance is like my nephew. Like, you know, right away, I was like, do you want to act? I was with him.

We're doing Coney Island to Park in Coney Island. You want to act? He said, hell yeah. And that's, I have a formula like for these newbies actors. If they don't have that passion and commitment, I don't want them. I don't care who they are, how many followers they got, I don't care. It's not going to be believable on the screen. He has so much charisma too, though.

Yes. Like I feel like Lance. You know, you really, everyone at the cast, I know Lance. Like I know him not as the basketball player. I know Lance, the person. Like, if you don't get a chance to be around him, I'm sure Safari never knew he was like the way he is. just being regular. Total opposite of what you would be.

Totally opposite. Like such a good dude, fun loving, laughing, joking, making everyone laughing joke. Generous with everybody. I mean, takes care of everything. If he could do it, he does it. He's just a person that off camera was just a pleasure to be around. And his commitment to being as good as he can be, that's part of why he made it to the league.

Yeah. You know? It's that work ethic that he had. He put it right in the music and he put it right in in the acting. It was amazing to watch. Now, we're shooting the movie and, you know, putting it to Tooby versus other platforms. What are some of the pros and cons of it? What are some of the experiences that, you know, independent filmmakers can kind of expect

when they're writing and producing and directing these films and then taking them to a Tooby? Again, you have to go through an aggregator. That is a very hard. process. That means you're giving up equity to your film to this aggregating company for nothing just because they could get it on to. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's a problem.

It's business. I'm a business dude. I'm like that's one of the deterrents. It's like a management. It's like a management broker for a movie. Basically, like let's use music. Okay. District. Okay. United Masters. They all have a fee you have to pay to get your own all the DSPs. Okay.

I have a distribution coming called Adventure Music. I take a percentage to get you on all the DSPs and including what's, you know, all those platforms. I'm on every platform. So at the end of the day, it's part of the cost of doing business. I get it for now, unless you could do it directly yourself and they don't accept it from them companies directly. Now, if you went directly, that means they bought it from you.

Okay. And it'll be, you could basically license it to them for X amount of time, two years, three years. And that's how much money they'll pay you. Gotcha. It's business. It's simple. It's not hard.

It's very simple. if you're inside of this, you would understand it clearly. But we had to go through an aggregator. They didn't take us. I tried to shop it directly. So the pros and cons or the cons, let's say, we found out very quickly that Tooby has a tendency of releasing your movie without letting you know. Your movies has to go through quality control, right? So you got to follow the system.

Quality control, meaning they got to see what kind of sex is in it. You know what I'm saying? and shit like that. They have to vet Safari specifically. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because that changes the grade. Our rating was a mature audience, M.A. So it's a good rating.

I didn't want to make it a R and I didn't want to go further than that. Yeah. Because I own it. And if I, well, we own it. Me and my partners, we own it. And I don't want to, I want to still have the opportunity

to put it on the bigger platforms. Okay. You need to let them see like one of the clips of the shit. I could show them after this. You want to see it now. There was some crazy scenes where we was like, yo, bro. It was day one for me. It was my first day.

Imagine that. First day, this is what I walk into. When I tell you, it's porn. Like, it's no way I thought it was really going on. Not starting with a heartwarming scene or so. We're just going to spring it. And I'm like, yo, I told Rich, what the fuck? This isn't in the script.

This is Lance's first day. Acting first day. Like, imagine you sitting there. It's your first time. like in the first scene of the movie because you know we're not shooting it in order. Yeah. He's like, I got to do this.

And there's cameras and everybody in the lights. And then it's like... Action. So Lance got to get right to it. Well, it wasn't Lance. It was another scene. Okay. It was Rebecca.

Other star. She's the detective on the case. You know, if I said the stars, you have Lance, Safari, Trey, Tray Cheney. Shout out Trey. You know, his son just had that old him and his son was in a tornado in the house. And he's in ICU and getting better.

So God bless you. And Rebecca. That's the five leads in our movie. And Rebecca, big following, 2 million plus followers on a gram and everything. And that's the first scene. She has a sex scene with her boyfriend in the movie. How sensitive is that on set? Like just that?

Well, you know, we try to protect every, especially the females, whatever they're comfortable with. Yeah. But we have cameras or screens watching everything. So even though they're not in the room, they're seeing everything, that video. The setup, though, it means, it's crazy. When you watch it, though, and then, like, you're there and it's happening, the setup makes it be like, all right, this is not real.

Yeah. It doesn't feel like, yo, this is awkward. It's like, if you was really doing it and, like, people's trying to, you're going to feel like it's a little all. But when you're doing it. I'm going to definitely show you guys since we're talking about. I'm not sure. Remember day one.

It's on my WhatsApp. But it's day one. But at the end of the day, you know, we tried to be, I was not, I didn't try. I was very compliant with each female that had to do.

If you didn't step in, it would have been ugly. It would have been. I protected all the girls. I got five sisters. I got a daughter. I'm not playing with women. Yeah.

And again, but if you want to do it, you're an adult, I get it. You know what I'm saying? And that's what we did. I make sure, you know, our lead, she's a newbie.

She's a, Brenda, Paulino, you know, shout out Brenda, she just had another baby too. But her scenes, she was so nervous. And I said, Brenda, you're in the shower. I can't have you in a shower with a bra. That's not real. Right? And in any sex scenes, we did very tasteful.

Like, again, really classy. Very clean and classy. Like, this movie opens with you and her. It's a part running himself. It wasn't even in the script. The classic guy here. At the end of the day, very clean, classy, you know. And we made her relax.

She was able to pull it off. But it was very big deal because if you ever go on Tubi, most of these Tubi movies is soft porn. Oh, yeah, yeah. The ones I've seen most of it. It is soft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it is soft.

You don't see people. You don't see full pin-trace. You don't see full-pin trick. Yeah. So that's soft porn. Yeah. You know, that's, you know. What would you be more uncomfortable with on a set?

Being vulnerable on camera or having sex on camera? Having sex on camera. Oh, I'm thinking you're never vulnerable though. I'm always vulnerable. Like crying. Having sex on camera. So that's right to deal with Lance because he was like looking. He said you sharing your feelings would be terrified.

Yeah, having sex on camera is wow. Like you look up and it's just like this? Like he was just sitting in wrestling. That would be the most awkward shit. That's what I'm saying? Like what the fuck? How about this? Cut.

You gotta do it again. Do it again. Yeah. Your stroke was trapped. Wait a minute. That stroke wasn't believable. Your face. Your expression wasn't thin.

You don't look like you're enjoying it. That really did happen. Yeah. It happened multiple times. It's like, yeah, it's crazy. Lance was like, you like, you're like, you're like, you're doing. Yeah. That was cool.

Like, he's like, you're, am I done? Like, you know, it's crazy. When Lance started shooting, he pulled me to the side and I told him something. I said, Lance, I'll never let you do a way. waxing. If you don't deliver, I'm going to make sure you know to get it right. So every shot, he's like, and I'm filming it like on my phone and pull him to the side and say, look, you're good. Like he was, you know, that was the apprehension in the beginning. As the movie went on, he was way more comfortably. He understood what acting is really about, the little nuances that you

have to have to keep the scenes. And if we was to watch the movie right now, I could show you, this is day one. Like, you could see the difference. It's visible. how much he progressed in 17 days of shooting. So before we got on camera, we was talking about the mishaps business, on the business end of the movie. Yeah. Released, you didn't know it was out yet.

Yeah, they released our movie without telling us, which was obscene because I'm like, if you're our partner, they, again, Tube takes 55% of every dollar. Off the muscle. That's real raping pillage. You talk about music business. I don't know that either.

about it. 55%, bro. Every move you see, they're taking 55% now. So, 55% off the muscle. And they're funding the full production budget. They didn't fund nothing. Hell no. What?

If they funded. That's worse than me. This is what I'm trying to tell you. They're not, no one speaks about it. That's why I wanted to speak about these stuff. So that's a distribution licensing fees. I take 55% off every dollar? Yes, off the muscle.

And you made the film. Oh, that's insane. You're getting 45 cents off of every dollar. So now when you, you go through the aggregator that they force you to go through, typically is 80, 20 your way. So it's another 20 cents that's coming out for the aggregator. Now, mind you, I have the friends,

so we got a better deal, but still, they're getting a piece of that 45 cents for being able to allow me to put the movie out. Yeah. And we'll be on other networks. We're going to be on Peacock. We're going to be on Amazon Prime. But the reality is,

To be Steele is the number one place to make the money for Black Film. That's just the facts. So even though I go on these other bigger platforms, Amazon Prime, my audience is not over there watching it. They want to be watching it. That's the reality. Now, I'm going to take every penny I get from every place. You know, damn, I'm coming.

America New. Take it. Oh, man, my fault. Take it easy. You understand? All good. You know, Nikki, I'm coming. You know, Vicki, she has a platform called NGTV,

which is next generation. She owns it all. Dame and her are the absolute places we should be. Yeah. But we have to build their audience. They don't have enough people on their platform. Yeah. You know, to get a lot of eyeballs,

but that's what we should be pushing because then we could get the right deals. When Dame sits there and goes on his rants, I get it. I understand it. Yeah. The raping pillage is real. And that's just the facts.

Yeah, actually, it's actually more comparable to the podcast for what I feel like, because we talk a lot with other podcasts, creators about YouTube. YouTube. Listen, YouTube is not a secret, isn't the most fair splits. No. What is it?

What is it on YouTube? It depends. There's not like one strict formula, no matter what. It depends who you are. Yeah, things shift a bit. But no matter what, it's not the fairest thing of all, but it's where the community is. So it's like, people are like, why don't you take your shit off YouTube? Because for shitty pay, I'm like, no, we're making more money based off the community that YouTube has for what we can leverage.

And that's why they do it. So, yeah, and that's why, yeah, I get why YouTube is like, no, you're only getting this much, though. We have the community. If you want to upload your video that easily, we're going to take most of the fucking profit. And that's Tube. So that's really the downside for Tubey, man.

They don't pay. If they do pay, like you was asking, they'll pay. They'll put up money for movies. But then they go, they own controlling for X amount of time. It's not for life. You just cut the length of time you want. That's based on how much they'll give you. And then there'll be what they'll,

They call it to be original and they'll market and promote it through their, their platform, which is incredible. So that's why I said for an independent black film, we are number one right now for the first two weeks because I'm not talking about to be originals. Right. I'm talking about guys that just get their movies. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? That's the difference. So we are number one for that.

And we're over three million streams and counting in less than two weeks. So you mentioned CPMs as well off, Mike. How does that work within? Okay. I know it works in our world. See, and then again, this is the con. They don't have a formula to tell you when you move up to the next tier of CPM. Yeah.

They start you on their low form. Basically a million, a million views is about $7,000. Gosh. Basically. Okay. And for those, CPM is downloads per thousand clicks. Yeah, you could do the math after that. I'm just giving you the math because we have about six commercials inside of our hour and 20-minute film.

Okay. Definitely more than six commercials. No, six. If they add more, that's because we're doing well, brother. Oh, yeah. All right. I'm watching it. That is not six commercials.

Okay. The more commercials that we put in there, the better at this moment. But they should raise us up our CPM and they didn't give me the formula when that happened. So that's to me a negative. I like transparency.

Just to put me in the fight, let me know what I'm fighting. That's it. Whoever I'm fighting, let's go. Right. And that's it. I know what I'm dealing with. I tell independent artists the same thing.

Contract's not forever. I have no contract with them. So I could take my movie, put it anywhere. But the reality is my audience is there. Right. That's where I'm going to get the biggest bang for our buck, even with the raping pillage. How about that? Yeah.

I feel like that. So you feel community is better than perception. As far as if this went on Netflix, it's probably a cooler press release. Like, look, we're on Netflix type shit. But is that really the best move based off the community you're trying to sell? Listen, me, we Netflix came through our premiere. Amazon Prime was at our premiere. Netflix was talking to me about taking on the film.

They said, this is exactly what we're doing. Why? They just started a black division for Netflix. Why are they doing that? because they see what Toobie's doing. Right? And the money they're generating. So they said, we need to start a black division for these films.

And they said, this would be perfect. So, you know, we're in negotiation now. And if they take it, guess what? It'll have to come down on everywhere else and it'll be live only on thing. But I already made my money. Right. Right. It's no longer I got to see how much streams I get.

I would have made money where I'm a profitable movie for X amount of years. And when it comes down, I could take it and then put it back out on every platform. Why do we think hip hop hasn't been leaning in to the 2B model the way, you know, your brother did with Rockefeller Fims? If this system existed then, we'd be on Paper Soldiers 13 by now. Like, why is that not meaning in? Because they're being made for cheap and they're profitable. Absolutely. And anyone can act in it.

The same way Paper Soldiers is like, we didn't think Beans was the greatest actor ever. It was just great to watch Beans act. Like, it was a cool story. Whenever you already I have his teed up. Oh. My day one. Day one. Day one, day one

on the scene It's not in the movie Just so you know When I seen this I stopped production I pulled my director over I pulled my director over and say No

This is not what I'm doing here Yo you don't understand This is high in the movie Yeah Everybody stopped production Yeah I wasn't filming that day I showed up

But when he showed me this I said Let me see back Oh yeah that's And this was just to begin. They had more scenes to go. Yeah. Okay.

What was the Chloe Bailey movie? Sworn. Swarm, which they marketed the whole entire movie off Chloe Bailey backshots. Yes. I feel like that with the right camera angle would still be tasteful. Like that wasn't as crazy as I thought she was. Okay. Yeah.

Only thing you don't see in this is penetration. But that's what I walked in. And when you first walked in and you go. Okay, I get it. Walking in. Whoa. It looks like it's penetration. I'm like, wait a minute.

This is real magic. This is real movie magic going on here. He's not fucking... Because there's so many scenes in the script. And there's a lot of scenes. And I told Rich we had to re-edit the scenes because I said, yo, you horny bastard.

I said, you've got to tone it down. I ain't going to lie. When I got the script, I said, bro, I won 10 sex scenes. Yes. He just wanted to OD. It's a 90-minute film. In this conversation, balling is starting to take on a whole different meaning now.

I've not heard of basketball match. Hey, Catino, Molfi's my coach. Shout out Cat. Shout out Cat came in and killed it. He's Lance's coach in the movie. Okay. Yeah, shout out Cat. A win is a win.

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that would be so easy for me. Why is that? Because like the shit that I think of is just pretty just weird, funny, psychotic and it just would be ill shit to just say, all right, cool, write this down.

And I did it with something and I just saying, I just saying like make it a movie. But I was with this guy and this girl and I just was talking. And I was like, yo, just write down everything I'm talking about. And they did it. And then they made like a script out of it.

And it's something called Snatched. And it's like a kind of kidnapping, ransom kind of movie with like a crazy twist. And it just was all based off of me talking. So if I could talk and somebody else write down what I'm talking about, then it can happen. Because me and myself, I can sit there and see. Hey, yeah, brother. I'm about Chad GBT, your friend. Yo, I just found out about Chad GBT a month ago.

When did it come out? How did you just find out about Chad GTP? I've heard about it, but I never knew like what it was. Okay. So then my gym trainer was talking about it. He's like, man, this Chad GPT got us all losing our jobs. I was like, how? And then he explained it to me.

I said, word? Then I started using it for the trainer shit. I'm like, oh, I ain't paying this nigga no more. Now I see. Yo. No, one of our co-host, Demaris, had a trainer before. She did a chat GBT shit, lost eight pounds in like a week. Wow.

Yeah, I just found out. I'm mad I just found out about it, though. Yeah. Like, it tells you how to, like, clear up a lie and, and make shit sound believable. That's crazy. Take it with a far as thing. Clear up a lie. How to get out of this live.

How to get out of this. No, I'll get too deep in that, like, I'll use it for, like, admin work stuff. Yeah. But I know people that, like, got rid of their therapist. And now I'm like, yo, is that your, like, significant other now? Like, they talk to them on a whole different. No, that's how it's set up. It's set up to be a therapist.

I used to put a gym. My partner, De Niro, told me years ago that everyone is going to get assigned an avatar. And I believe it now. Once I've seen ChatGPT, you're going to get an avatar that you talk to. It's going to control everything you do and take care of everything you're doing. So anything you want to do, if you have psychology problems and issues, just talk to it. Just create more. Create more.

And control us into some other ones. If Chad GPD could do something where we say, hey, where can I like find or have a throat goat and it really happened on the spot, that's the safari is not the one of day one and be like, yo, this is not how things need to be run. That's what is out of here, bro.

Like, that's what chat. You can do that now on Instagram. But I'll go in the firm and they said, you know, our, like, again, my grandkids, I'll say, they said we'll have a robot as a wife. I can see it. As a wife? As a wife, significant other.

No argument. You could still have a human being. But you're going to have that robot that's you fucking. That's what they're basically saying. That's going to be your companion in any walk-shaped form of life. Listen, Rocky Ford is one of my favorite movies. Uncle Pauly had a robot. Rocky, I thought that was the greatest shit ever, but I didn't think Uncle Pauley was really talking about.

It's on the way they said. Listen, we were arguing on whatever episode it was. I was trying to tell everyone that the younger kids are having less sex. I could totally see. They just sit in their basement and beat off. You give them a robot. You know, when people were in first, they said that to me, they said, no one's going to be with the robot.

I said, niggas is fucking blow-up dogs. What are you talking about? The fuck are you saying? They're going to fuck this robot. They're going to make it real. They're going to fuck that robot. I was in Vegas and seen strippers that were robots. And for C, what's that CES?

The technology things. that they have out there convention, they had strippers that was robots. What's next? They're going to have them sucking and fucking this coming. I'm not trying. How much are there? See?

I'm not thinking about it. No issues. You have no problems, bro. No problems. You're going to be five. In my 20s, there was plenty of women I shouldn't have. If I knew that, let me just go home and fuck this robot, man.

I may have been a safe for 20s. It may have been a safe for 20s. Yeah, I just don't know if I'm going down that road, fellas. I'm not, but I'm not judging the kids that grow up in that hair. What it feel like. I just love women close your eyes and constrain What if it looks real as hell

Nah man I just Yeah as I said Close your eyes It's the new to be movie It's gonna be more on a robot No Romantic a rom-com

Yeah we're brains swimming right now Yes That's a fire idea He better go to chat GBCC Nah we're doing that It's a A robot

A guy who falls in love With a robot Yes I feel like I've seen her The movie her Yeah It's not a real about he's just talking to like a woman

like over the speakers. And she's in love with it. But that's what's happening now with Chaddy? It will happen. I'm just saying I understand it. I understand it. I'm excited.

I'm talking about real tech guys that I was talking to. I'm really excited. It's coming. Yeah. He was fired. Within five minutes he changed my mind. I'm excited and inspired.

Are you excited about the movie? Yeah. Of course. Ballin out now on To Be. That's right. Is this thing on? This is definitely. Is this.

recording us? It was not me. I thought he was already flirting with the machines. Speaking of AI, when you guys were dominating the music business, do you think you would have incorporated some of the AI stuff? Irv would have never. He's not a tech guy in the sense of trying to change.

So I don't believe he would have ever incorporated. It would have had to show him something phenomenal. not just recreating a voice. So I will say this. He was, you know, early, I mean, people don't know all the things. He was trying to do that Bob Molly movie. Okay. Redemption, right?

We talked to, his name is Blackwell, the guy who owns all the rights to the Molly music. We sat with him, spoke to him. And he said, I will never let this happen. That's what he said. And we was like, but we're not telling you where they're going to have an actor playing Bob Molly, because that's why he said he would never do it. We was going to use the hologram. Remember, they have the hologram for all of the concerts.

And we would have, like, an image of Bob for the movie. But when it's concerts, it's really Bob Molly, but it's the hologram of Bob Molly. From the actual concerts to real footage. And he was intrigued with that. It was like, I wouldn't put an actor. It's the great Bob Molly. We won't want to never miss it, but we'll use the actual footage.

And he was very intrigued with that, but he still said no. And then he allowed an actor to play Bob Mali in the movie. So it was something when I say technologies, Erv was on that for the greats that are no longer here. Yeah. To use that technology for that purpose, like a biggie, a Tupac. Irv loved Tupac, you know, in Bob Mali.

It was those three artists that he was definitely like, we should do something with the hologram that they have, that technology to use it. So when you think that AI is technology, but in what capacity are you talking for AI? Because are you talking to mixing a record? Maybe. Yeah. Are you talking about making

a record? Making a record. Never. Yes. I mean, it's interesting because I'm anti-AI all the way. But if I was born 20 years after now, I feel like some of the greatest new producers now are more tech people than they are music people. It may have just happened. Like, that just maybe the only way you

know at that point. You know, AI, you could, I could become a producer tomorrow. I could go to AI and make a thousand viz. And tweak each beat to get it to what I like. Exactly. How I like it. Oh, you can still have taste with AI for sure. Yes.

So to me, I've told my producers that are real producers to you start using AI to enhance what they're doing to find new sounds, new music. You know, it's all creative. It's all about an idea. Like we just said with the movie, that's all it takes. That idea and it could spawn into that movie, right? Just like that. Same with music. that idea, that sound.

Yeah. And it spawns into a record with the right artist and that can, you know, that creativeness. I watch it all the time. I watched it all the time with my brother. Like, he was amazing with that. So that kind of replaces him and his input in certain aspects. And I don't know if he would do it. Yeah.

But, you know, I feel if he was smart, like to do that, it wouldn't be the bad thing. It's only going to make them better. Speaking of your brother, Irv, the great, rest in peace. Yes. Summer Jam is coming up. Yes. And there's a tribute for Irv this year. Can I talk about the pros and cons?

For sure. I mean, I'm going to hear about it, man. I'm going to hear what the family has planned or obviously. You're bringing this up at a really crazy time because they literally just got approved today. Really? While I was in the car sitting waiting out front. Oh, wow. Literally.

My sister called me. Yeah. It's on because we was pulling out because the way they're handling it. Hot 97 was doing a shitty fucking job. Really? You can't have, I have no tickets, no passes. And it's a tribute to my brother. What do you up with?

They told, hold on, they told Jai Ruh, the artist's performing. He can't have but only this many people, which is like his, and they're counting artists. They're not counting, like, his entourage, let's say, even security is that we have security. I never heard this before. I never even thought about it. So there's only one reason I felt it could be being handled like this. I don't want to talk about it on air. But there's only one thing that it could be, in my opinion,

that they're doing this to him and they're attributing. Then they cut it down from a 45-minute show to 25 minutes. The fuck I'm doing with 25 minutes. With the amount of things Irv did. Fuck out of here. So Rule yesterday said, I'm not doing it. Yeah. We literally was off yesterday, cleared it up literally at about 12.

11 o'clock today. Crazy. How you do a tribute to somebody without their family being there? Exactly. I said even... It makes sense. But how would Hap 97

even come close to fumbling that like they know what Earth? No, that shit is corny, man. It doesn't even matter. It's the fact, it's so corny. I, me personally, I don't even want to show up because then it's like I condone and agree with what's going on

and I don't. And that's just the realness. But Rue wants me to be there, but I'm like, fuck, nigga. Fuck them. I don't care. no more. Radio is irrelevant to me. It's nothing. It's like, and then you're not doing nothing and then to treat you, they offered

that show up. They wanted us to do it. Right. And then to do that, to me, it's like, what is that? There's got to be a subplot that we don't know. And that's why I said, there's maybe one thing that might be going there. I just don't feel like talking about on this show, right? Yeah, I get that. How do you feel about the current state of Def Jam and just Universal in general? After spending so many. You know, music is in trouble, in my opinion, the business of it. They just, you know, they cut a deal with AI to give your lightness, right? So if they signed you, you know, the reality is it's very hard to tell an artist, especially

a new artist, not to take the money. It's just hard, man. We come from nothing. Yeah. Nigger puts a check in front of you. You're going to take it. Dance, nigger. You know it's up to you to dance or not.

But it's very hard. But I tell everyone if you are in that position, you did something right to get them to offer you that. That doesn't happen to everybody. Second part is nothing's forever. Just make sure you have an exit plan. Right. Take the money. Figure out what you're going to do.

Honor your deal. Honor your deal. That's what men do. Honor that shit, yo. Don't come in and start crying. If you get bigger and better, change your deal. Negotiate. It's business.

Don't sit back and be like, I want my master's. That's, it's so bullshit to me. Because when you signed that deal, you didn't say that. Right. Because you would have never signed it. Don't sign that. Take the money and then just flip-flop. And you have to have a reason why you want it all back.

You should see your trajectory that way. Not here. Don't expect much if you just maintained. Right. You know, and they didn't drop you. You was good enough not to be dropped. You know, it's business. I'm all for the independent artists.

Like I said, I got a platform for it. I got thousands of artists, you know, you know, even, you know, United Mass. I'm for all independent artists. People say, you had a label. I said, I understand the game is different. Yeah. All my artists, you didn't hear,

not one of them complaining because we took care of them. We gave them the best deals they could get under what we had. Right. As simple as that. It's just business. It's like, take it. I don't care.

Let's keep going. I hear that. So Farah, what's so with you, man? no more writing, man? You know, honestly... There's a lot of... You were early on the writing... When music was fun.

When music was fun. Okay. But now there's been a boom of female MCs, female artists. Your pen, obviously, is legendary with a female artist. We won't, you know, get into that. But... I'm not a read or write. But now...

That's like me, chat GBT. Yeah, now you got chat GBT. So now with the wave of female... artist coming in, you don't get the urge to be like, yo, I'm gonna get behind one of these, these female MCs and get some hits. Because once you're a writer, you're always a writer. You never lose that. Yeah, it's, you know, the music shit for me right now, it's just, it's just such a circus. It's just so much, it's just such a facade. And I don't even, it's not even, you don't think we have something to do with that? A lot of your, a lot of you, a lot of things you wrote

have caused that that boom. You don't take responsibility, brother? No, but I'm saying like, I feel like this new era, like nothing lasts anymore. Like, like, like, no matter how Elyne had something or someone is, you could put something out, it's gone. How long are we talking about it if a new hot song come out? Yeah, yeah, you're right. What, three days, four days a week?

So then it's like, the gratification ain't even there, like, how it used to be. Like, before we do something, you was rock. That shit is killing the whole year and crushing somebody else while it's happening. And it's like, damn, that shit is kind of dope. We got to sort of happen for an entire year. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we have to take accountability on that, too.

We're all in the content game as far as... How many movies is two we put out a month? A lot. How many apps do we have? How many options of shit? Can we watch? How many music apps do we have? How many artists can just upload shit to YouTube?

Yeah. It doesn't stay because every day when you hit refresh, it's something new. You scroll. We're in a content error. It takes one thumb move and you're on to something else. We're in the content error. Yeah. So much of it.

It's crazy. That's why now, like, I'm really, like, in the... More of the investing... And dealing with shit that has nothing to do with entertainment. Like, I'm in the health insurance business. Nobody knows. I found that out on the movie. Nobody knows.

You need health insurance? I got your whole family cover. You just denied my daughter's epipan, so I got to talk. But see, but you're in New York, right? Yeah, New York's structure is horrible for health insurance. Oh, absolutely. That's why they tried to work. That's why he popped homey downtown.

That's why he ran down all of me in. The United Healthcare joint. Yeah, and I got a contract with United Healthcare. So when I happen, I'm like, damn, I hope that doesn't affect nothing. But it ain't affect nothing. And it goes to show that it's like, all, cool, you were here for the moment. You're gone. Somebody knew take your position and then that's it.

But I just, I really like to make money not doing nothing. I like to sleep as long as I want. I just want to go to the gym. take care of my kids. I really love the actor shit now. The movie shit, like... Yeah. I really, like, after seeing how this came out,

because when we did it, I was enjoying myself, but then seeing it come together, I was like, damn. And then when we did the premiere, that was, like, my first, like, movie premiere or something I'm a part of it. It was a dope feeling,

the experience and watching the movie with a theater full of people. And then I was, like, kind of, like, the favorite because I'm, like, I was to escape for the woman who was being treated by it. And I was like, yo, I like that. I like this role. Yeah.

You know, so I just- And the comedy, yeah. You had people laughing and everything in the movie. When are you gonna watch it? When are you gonna watch it? I'm gonna watch it tonight. When you're gonna watch it? I would have watched it if I would have got the link before.

You guys didn't even know it was out. How the fuck was that? You didn't even know. I don't know. No, I honestly thought y'all would come here to plug it and we were gonna be like, yo, it's out on this specific date in the episode

was gonna come out with the movie. If I were known it was out I would watch the last night. I have to be. That's what we wanted to do. Tube took that from us. Bro, it was 12 o'clock at night from us.

I'm looking at my Instagram and like the fans, they're like, yo, oh shit's a far as good job. I'm like, what? I hit them in the group trial. I said, yo, the movie's out.

I said, nah, hold on. I have a whole tour. I went on TuB typed it in. I said, oh, shit, it's out. And it was the wrong version. Yes. Which is crazy. How is crazy's day.

They got my name spelled wrong in this version of God. His name spelled wrong. Oh, my God. It's crazy. There's a scene. There's a scene. That's wild. How do you misspell Chris Godd?

How do you not spell that right? Man, I don't even want to tell you. It's crazy. What the fuck? How do you misspell that? Fucking crazy. At the end of the day, I was furious. And you heard niggas saying cut and action in the film.

No, no, no. Yes. I think Tubey does that on purpose. I think they do shit like that because they know those, those are going to go viral. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah, I think they do that type of shit.

That's what he really started to be off. The movie that they was watching, someone would have got shot laid on the floor and they're like, is it okay yet? And they're supposed to be dead and they're talking. They're doing that on purpose, and they leave it and it would go viral. That clip would go viral. Next to no hat.

Yeah, yeah. They're doing that shit. Love and Hip-Hop did that with Ray J's hat. That shit was going viral for years. Yeah, that lasted. So the right version is on TV right now, right? Absolutely. The right version.

They corrected it. And they did it fans, the quality is. Everything. I'm going to watch it tonight. I'm mad I didn't watch it before we got here today. I would have watched it last night had I known it was out. I'm going to watch it tonight so we could definitely talk about it some more on the show. I'm looking forward to it.

Congrats on part two and part three already. Yes. Thank you. Safari. Congrats on everything. You're doing. Healthcare is major. Yeah.

So I know you're going. If I see another dirt bike, I already know what that mean. You ran the bag. Yeah. I don't even touch the bikes no more. Somebody lost their co-fail. Oh, since you got in the health care, you can't. You can't risk your help?

I feel like dad and like having the kids now. It's like like, like, let me chill. Yeah, now I love my, I really love my kids. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like at first I was like, you know, no, I'm just kidding. But, you know what I'm saying? I was like, this nigga's crazy.

I was like, I don't know an edit. We're about to make. Yeah, I was like, at first I was like, I don't know about these little niggas. And now they're cool. But now they're going. But even last night in my hotel room and I was looking at my phone and a picture popped up. And I'm like, damn, yo, I miss my kids right now. Mm.

And That's part of this game You have to deal with that With acting now, Safari I feel like there's not enough films centered around dance hall Okay We need a dance hall type movie

We definitely spoke about that That was one of the scripts They was talking about And I'm like, all right cool And Rich my partner, he's Jamaica Okay He understands all What could be cool

I mean don't remake Shottis But like something new Shottis is classic But what could be cool Who tried to make Belly 2? Game? No, tried to make it. They made it.

Oh, did it came out. Hold on. Only 2 did come out. That's my first film. Oh, my bad. See, you look, hey, Chris Giddle. He's about to talk shit. When I saw Game on the cover, I was like, wait.

So the new, the shot this tool, it's shot. I'm in it. Okay. Thank God. Big shot to Kimani-Marley. So I'm in that. But it's called Bandetta. It didn't come out yet.

We shot this movie like. I ain't gonna lie. Kimani's been, he's a perfectionist. Oh yeah. And then a big part of Shattah's and just, you know, all the movies is the scoring,

which is the music that's playing under certain stuff. And the way he's scoring this movie, yo, he's been in the studio for like a year just like watching it. Getting it right. Just getting it right with the sounds, watching it in theaters by himself.

Like when this comes out, it's like that movie, I ain't a lot. I forgot I did that until you said that. Because they didn't come out to you and I shot it so long ago. I can't wait for that one to come out too. That's going to be dope.

Well, I'm definitely watching balling tonight. Shout out to Lance his acting debut. Yeah. Shout out to Chris Gotti. Rest and peace to Irv, for sure. Rest of the legendary. Irv's got to your family.

I 97, do better. Gotta do better, man. Nasty. You can't mess that up. Not Irv's legacy. Don't do that. And you know Irv going to haunt that stage. your feet.

Oh, how was going out. I was going out. Was it? Whose idea was it? Who was like, Yo, let's go. High 97 said they want to honor. Okay.

Job performing and do a murder ink honors. Irv Gotti. So they brought it to us and then they don't handle it right. Yeah. That doesn't matter. I'm not surprised though. But you know, I was going to say that because it's high 97, you know, the history. We have some more projects that, again, we're putting out.

That'll be great. That's going to be great to see, too. You know, Prince is right here. Shout out Prince, you know, Prim and the mundane truth. A documentary on Prine. That's going to be crazy. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah.

I'm in that. You're from Queens? I'm from uptown. Where you from? Queens. Queens, okay. And then we have, again, night shift. We did a horror film in the strip club.

That's the next movie that we got coming out. That's the one of the film in the strip club. It's right for to-too. I'm interested already. Which one of these bitches is the vampire. Yeah. Listen, I've been in Starlets in the wrong night. It turns into a horror film.

When the brims walk in Starlets and it's only one way out. And that's the small-ass parking lot and you can't even back out. And in the way in production right now for Cozzo 2, Cousel 1 was the first one. It was about a guy that came home from jail, Barber. I mean, and started cooking. And we got Cuzzle 2 in a production right now. So we're shooting right now.

Again, just working, trying to stay busy in the film industry, looking into AI films coming. I'm telling you. You mentioned AI. That's going to be the next. But, you know, just wanted to keep everything moving and just to keep pushing. Absolutely. Thank you again for having us on this platform.

Thank you for coming, man. It's a pleasure getting us in here and talk to y'all. We look at all. And congrats to y'all. Yes. Thank you, man. You've been doing y'all thing for facts. Thank you, man.

We got together a while ago, went to dinner and everything. It was a fun dinner. So it's glad we got to finally do it. Yeah. I still come October. I want to do the Rule 336. 25 anniversary podcast episode. We did it with Guru and his brother for Black album,

like just an episode dedicated to an anniversary of an album. So I would love you to sit down in October with us to be. I got to tell you. I got to tell Joe about the time, I went to his bachelor party. Okay. Oh, man, be careful. That was, that was like.

Everything is good right now. No, no, no, no, no. It was a great time. But I was like the youngest, I was the youngest one there. I went with Jay Biggs. We all went. I was like 19 or 20 at the time.

and I walked in and I was just looking around and then Jai came up to me, gave me about 5,000 singles. He was like, you have fun, man. Yeah. And that was the greatest night of my life. I was like, yo, this is what these rapingos we do. Word, right? Legendary. Me at 19, would have put that 5

right in my pocket. I thought about it. I thought, I've done it. I mean, I do it now. I'm lying. I'm saying 1935. You know, I'm doing that shit now. I remember one time I was with the game of the strip club. He had a homie.

He was like, yo, it was. sign, I'm like, yo, good luck. I'm not throwing this. That's terrible, man. That is terrible. That's Chris Gotti, Safari. Thank you all, fellas, for stopping by. Bull and available now on Tooby.

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