New Rory & MAL - Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | LeSean McCoy

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

On this episode of Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball, the guys are joined by 2x Super Champ and All-Pro Running Back, LeSean McCoy! Rory and Mal get into LeSean's transition into a sports media star, what it was like to play in Philadelphia, and debate the better coach between Andy Reid and Bill Belichick #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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5G speeds not available in all areas after 30GB, customers may experience slower speed. Customers will pay $25 a month as long as they remain active on the boost unlimited plan. All right, Roy, we're back for another episode of Rory Molle, don't know ball. The one I was excited the most about. Yeah, this is one of the guests

that we was looking forward to been wanting to talk with him for a while. Now, I've been a big fan of this guy. So he's here today to kind of give us more of an insight on ball, bro. We need all of our ball player friends. Fuck this intro. I know we try to talk about sports on this.

Let's get to the motherfucking. mess. We are joined. What have you been doing on the timeline the last 48 hours? You start in trouble, man. Usually we try to talk about sports. Nah, what's going on, man? What's so with this Ryan, Ryan Clark, R.G.3 thing, man.

What's going on, man? You up there on one of my favorite tweeters of all time. Nah, I mean, to be honest, right? I'm not like a real, like, social media type of savvy dude like that. So I'll be noticing, like, you'll see players in the media or not in the media. And, like, if something going on, they can't wait to. jump on it to get a reaction from people. The same dudes that, like, they'll say something, right?

And then they're looking at the views and the likes every 15 minutes. I never was like that. I always just organic. If I see something I don't like, I'll speak on it. So when I watch these two dudes, I'm like, yo, you're the same guy. You know what I mean? It's like, one dude is probably a little more cornered than the other one, but that's the same conversation?

Like, what we're talking about? The same conversation. Maul, can you give our listeners some backstory of what is happening on the timeline? We said fuck the intro. I want to get right to it. So Ryan Clark, he was being outspoken about the whole RG3 take on the whole Angel Reese Caitlin Clark situation. A lot of people have turned it into something, you know, like racial and things

that nature. So Ryan Clark had something to say to RG3 and Lashon had something to say to both of those gentlemen today. He tweeted. He didn't say no names, but he just kind of. alluded to two guys that were having a back and forth. And just respect to all parties, but how did RG3 and Ryan Clark start beefing about Angel Street?

So, so RG3 is the type of dude. Anytime it's something going on, like, oh, I'm going to jump on and try to get some views out of it. There's a lot of people like that, bro. Y'all know. Y'all, you know people like that's the nature now. Right. So I think a lot of times when dudes don't really have no real, like, legacy or story to really

talk about or who they are, they run to that type. and stuff. And some of it works, so I'm not mad at it. Anyway, he's making like, okay, you know, the Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. Now, everybody knows some tension here, obviously, right? And in all sports, you need a racial component to blow up the sport. Like, let's just be honest. Basketball the same way. Magic and Bird was kind of that, yeah. Come on, man. I mean, Jackie Robinson, I think, was, yeah. But you look at like, Caitlin Clark, I think she's a phenomenal player. And respectfully, I don't think that her, Angel Reese are on the same level basketball wise, but Angel Reese, he holds her own, and she's good on her own, right?

I just think that, like, it is a race component. And when you look at the WNBA, like, there was better girls before Caitlin Clark, and there was better girls before Angel Reese. But when you have two elite girls in college and they have the race component, it makes everybody watch. Now, everybody's watching WNBA. You get what I'm saying? So he spoke on that, and he made it about all this other stuff.

And R3 gets crazy with it. Like, he always brings his white wife. all this extra, it's uncomfortable a little bit. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then Ryan, and the one thing that Ryan did do that I did respect is, you know, he has a voice in the platform. So he likes to, you know, speak up for the black women, which a lot of people don't. So I respect that part, right, among all right?

Because they want to make Andrews like this angry black girl and all that. Right. You know what that girl been through. She's from Baltimore, so I respect it. Right. But my thing is like... She's not even angry. Yeah, you know, but I'm saying that's the nerves they want to paint.

Yeah. Well, my thing with Ryan is like, yeah. you bring the dude's wife up in it? Like, what are we talking about? Because somebody else, if you mention a wife, you're not going to do that with them. Right. Arj and 3 is kind of what he is,

so you can really play that game with him. Yeah. And also, like, like, he always trying to look for a way to, like, have attention. I remember way back in the day, we had the NBA, NFL lockout, right? That means we ain't playing no sports until we get an agreement with the owners and the players.

He gets a video. of him going to the Steelers facility and the doors is locked. I'm thinking like, what type of PR? What is that? I just don't like,

is it so cordy to me. I can't even really but everybody's different. I can't really, you know, no, that is. But I mean, I understand, you know, well, I don't understand

the Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark thing. I think that obviously two women that came in together coming from college, they obviously elevated the sport

as far as, you know, the national attention when they were in college. Caitlin Clark, phenomenal player. Angel Reese and LSU did was amazing. And now they kind of parlayed that over into the pro level. But, you know, I don't think the last thing that happened between them when Angel got a technical foul or Caitlin got a technical, whatever it was.

Caitlin Clark didn't even foul her that hard. Like, she just, she swiped down at the ball. They're trying to say she pushed her. She didn't push it. She swiped down. Now, Angel Reese pushed her teammate. first and Kaelin Clark was telling the ref like, yo, you don't see that. And then Angel would have had a wide open layup and Kaelin Clark just filed a swipe down at

the ball and filed a now that's turned into something like, you know, it's a regular foul. It was a regular. But also, Andrew Reese's response was a regular professional athlete reply as well. Like everything was regular. My thing is like, yo, as an athlete, right, I can't tell, y'all can't tell me. I can't tell her how you should feel somebody in a foul yourself. Exactly. And the other thing is, now, you know I don't even rock with you like that.

You don't put, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. And it's like, like, we got to look at women like they are athletes too. So just the NBA, it won't be no issue. Right. You know what I mean? Right. So if she felt like she hit her or fired her a certain way, I can't tell her she's wrong for that.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I can't say that. So you think the white wife was the one behind all of this madness. White wife. I asked the question. Mall didn't.

I just I don't know who's laughing just looking at them like they both trying to fight for tennis so it's like they're the same guy just one dude's a little bit more extra you know what I'm saying I mean I

I probably want to hit it like that I want to brought his white wife into it like that was a little too much yeah that was a little but I think what Ryan was too was trying to say is like you know what he said it he was like you don't understand

black women because you're married to a white woman or something like that I think he said I disagree with that because, yo, you had a white baby mama. Like, what, we... Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Doesn't RG3 have family that probably? Another thing is, these dudes don't really, really come from culture. So, like, you try to get it so much that you just say anything. We're like, yo, you got a white baby mom. It's the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just think that it's just all for clicks and, you know, views.

That's what it is, bro. You know what it's for. Yeah, yeah. A lot of that is definitely, it's performative stuff just to get people riled up. But, but, I mean, that happens to all of us. in this space, we end up coming off hypocritical a lot of times because when we have that focus of like, let's try to get clicks or whatever, we contradict a bunch of shit that was already recorded and everyone knows about us. Because Ryan Clark, was Andrew Schultz the one that talked

to Ryan Clark about the, hey, you've had women beat her on your show a bunch of times. Why are you even getting in the mix on this? Like, this happens. This is not natural or normal that we have to think of every thought every day to record and put out. Because we're going to be caught in some type of hypocritical bullshit because we speak every fucking day. Right. So, I mean, I get it. But I think if you, but if you being organic and just honest to who you is, yeah.

I don't think you're having that problem. And everything's in 100%. But like, yo, if I believe everything I say and I'm doing everything from a genuine place, I don't think you can never be wrong. I'm speaking in general. Forgetting that the race of your baby mother is a little crazy. But I'm just speaking to Joe. How the fuck you forget you got a white baby mom?

you're talking about I'm so culture but yo that's one thing that drives me crazy when dudes dude's doing all this black pirate

I'm for my people to culture but then the whole time you only day white girls I'm like yo yeah and there's nothing wrong with that

but just don't be don't do all that this be normal yeah just just fall back when it comes to that type of conversation just fade into the background

a little bit you run around you like you you're mouth and all that but then the whole time you're trying to like come on dog

thank God I don't touch white woman um with that So moving on to the next I'm sorry It's been a long day Where are you at

With this Joey badass Daylight Ray Vaughn Have you been paying attention In the battle at all? No, I like Joey bad ass So I think he's talented I don't get the whole

Kendrick drink That was like I didn't really get all that Like he's trying to come at Kendrick I'm trying to figure out Like Why? Yeah

I mean He's shooting at What would be deemed the biggest rapper right now, especially after 2024. Like, you're not supposed to shoot at the best rapper. He's got to deal with the entire West Coast on his way there, but I think he's proved

that Kendrick may need to come outside. He just ran through all his homies. Paul. So, you think, I'm just getting this straight. So, a rapper don't have no real resume. And I like Joey, though, so hear me out. He's the dope actor and he's a dope larisies.

I like rap. Right. You know, now that everything's mumbling and all, catch you. I like rap, so I like him, but like, I'm just thinking, like, if I'm Kendry, like, there's something to gain from going against Jay Cole, going against Drake, the people

look at them as my peers, like, oh, we're on the same level. Let me show y'all. But like, you gotta really earn that right. It's just like, I don't know who you think the best NFL players, but like, Patrick Mahomes ain't about the answer to every dude that could bring, you know what I'm saying? Right. I agree with you, but how this whole thing played out

like where Kendrick after the Drake battle, it was all West Coast, West Coast. Look what we did. We had the greatest year ever. We're all unified. It's West Coast. Joey said one bar about the West Coast, and all of every last rapper in L.A. started replying to Joey, and it became this West Coast unity shit, and he ran through everybody. So Kendrick needs to defend his coast. No, he don't, bro. Is this like, is it like, yo, how do I, this hear me out, how do I go from destroying Drake, Drake, we're talking about? in the rap battle

now you want me to go give you it just don't even you know what I'm going to go get Joey I just we could disagree I just don't I guess I feel like if you smoked all my friends I got to step in as the big homie and be like

all right fine I'll talk about he earned that right because he ran through everybody no but LaShawn is saying it's still though it's a certain who did he run through there's certain tiers there's like 15 people if I'm on the first tier

and you run through all of the guys guys on the third and fourth tiers. You can't start yelling my name. After you have the fucking Super Bowl parade party, everything of winning the entire 2024 year, the West Coast is the greatest shit of all time. And one rapper runs

through everybody that even said a name or word about him. Yeah, that warrants some type of reverence to me. If you did a poll, right? I get two things that I'm done with it. If you did a poll when I yell, if you just ask, like, do people know Joey Badass as a

as like a rapper rapper or like the cat that's on Canaan. Most people, you know what I'm saying? So it's like if Kendrick, I'm on tour, I'm everywhere. You can't, like, I'm everywhere, bro. They don't mean, it don't make sense. There's more to lose than gain. And the second thing is, I think like all the best rap battles, like, like, Hove was going at Nause and giving real bars and songs.

He's going to get prodigy a bar. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, just think about what I'm saying. like you ain't about to do all that to do that. Yeah. But that's backwards. To that point, I feel like Hove, even if it was subliminally,

replied to literally everybody. He was replying to P.D. crack. He was probably to our former co- Oh, no. At some point, Kendra go, he going to respond. But it ain't going to be a whole. It's not going to be a song tailored specifically for Joey. But it's going to be some bars in there where he's going to address my,

yeah, I heard you calling my name, fam. Like, you know, like, he's not going to dedicate a whole. moment to Joey badass though he's not gonna do that even like y'all y'all y'all doing y'all thing you got a good thing going on you know what I mean and um imagine like a smaller pocket trying to call it let's like I ain't about to even think about it like I'm gonna waste my time to

the dress of mine that's underneath us yeah it's don't even really add up some days you want to be petty though some days you want to be petty and address everybody though some days oh but that's bad for business you can't do that you can't do that though that's bad for business it's better for the community sometimes you have to humble people and let them know like I see you get a little too big for your bridge, like, let me just put things in perspective

for you. Yeah. And just give him half a bar. Yeah. And then leave. If he gave Joey what he want, right? And he answered back. Now, every little, or every guy that's trying to get up there was going to do that. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not going to answer to. Every guy got my name, my name out. Yeah, no, he can't do that. But

I think in the beginning when Joey was trying to do it, I was on the same side as you. I just think he's proven himself this week that's warranted a different type of notice. A little bit more of attention instead of any guy just saying, Who the biggest in your mind right now? Like today, who the biggest artist?

I still think the big three, Cole, Kendrick, and Drake are still the three biggest rap artists. Oh, we had a whole beef in the rap. One of the best I liked, Jay Cole, he tapped out. He said this is not for me. I'm tapped. Then the other one that's even the biggest one, I took down. What I would I, you know what I'm saying?

Like. Well, it's funny. We had this conversation a few weeks ago when I asked Moore, I said, did Kendrick put himself in a position that he never has to reply to anybody for the rest of his life. Put it is, though. Put know what it is, I think. But who else? There's never, there's no superstars on the horizon.

So I think this current moment is the only thing Kendrick would have to reply to. Nobody behind us right now that we can see as of this moment is a rap superstar. I feel like that's kind of dead and going right now. Yeah, but I mean, but more respect, if he earns my respect, because there's some dudes that like got respect. you know, that you probably would answer to. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

But it would have to be a legend, and I don't think they're doing that either. Now, the legends ain't coming outside. Exactly, yeah. They're raising their kids and podcasting. LaShawn, let's talk about your transition. Obviously, you've done, you know, major things on the field,

two-time Super Bowl champion, all pro. The list goes on. When did you know or when did you start thinking about your transition into TV. So when I came in the league, I was so like, I had like a chip on my shoulder, right? I feel like I wasn't drafted where I was putting drafted at.

You know what I mean? So I always just like driving to be the best, be the best. So I started getting all these different accolades. And I started getting a lot of contracts. So, you know, you go from making, I don't know, $400, $300,000 a week, right? And you, you know, you spend it, you see how it's moving.

And then they go from $300, $400,000. grand to like, okay, 100 grand. All right, okay, okay. All right, now we have 80,000 a week. Now we had 60. I'm like, whoa. So I started seeing that whole thing happen, you know, and then I didn't like how,

maybe I don't know if it's ego or whatever, but my roles was changing. And I'm like, yo, man, you got me playing behind this dude. I'm better than him because he's younger than me. I'm bearing this dude. And that's not how the league works. The league is a young man sport. Unless you win in championships,

they're not really keeping an older dude. So I was like, okay. So I said, well, I got to do something else. So I always thought that I would do good on TV because I'd like to talk. It's easy to me. You know what I mean? I can relate to a lot of different players. So I knew I would do that.

And then kind of got into the real estate game, probably like maybe like year nine, you know, buying up small little properties, fixing them up, you know, getting returns on them. And I started doing like little apartments. Yeah, I mean, I see how that was going. So I'm like, damn, if I could just go to all the seasons I like to hang out at and start owning apartments, I could hang out, and I can be making money. Right.

So then I started doing, like, big developments, like ground up. So right now I just finished in my hometown, Harrisburg, it's like an hour for Philadelphia, a $17 million, 50 unit apartments. You know what I mean? So that's like the new thing I'm doing on the side. You know, where now I don't have to work with like a million different tenants. It's all brand new, so nothing should really be breaking. You know what I mean?

Everything is there. So, and I was getting a lot of hassos from like doing the smaller things, you know, people, it's broke. You know what I mean? They call on you. Everybody got a plan. Everybody got a plan. Yeah. So that's how I got to that market.

Then after that, I'd start doing the podcast. Me and my brother Deshaun Jackson, you know what I mean? And it started getting bigger and better. So that's how I really transition. You know, there's no real like me and you to tell you, yo, when you retire, this is what you do. That's why a lot of guys are broke because you're making a million. you know yearly yeah you know I mean and like you playing a sport that's not really your job you love it right and then when you're done there's nobody say yo this is what you do you know so I just

had a good support in cash realm and that's kind of I got to where I'm at today yeah because that's got to be tough like the average person probably retires at 65 66 whatever professional athletes some of y'all be retiring at 28 like life is short but life is long as fuck and now it's like all right everything I've known for the last 20s years is done, where do I go from here? And money can drive quick. So I feel for a lot of professional athletes, especially NFL athletes, because y'all retire quicker than MLB NBA because it's more of a tough game.

How do you feel that the politics are similar in NFL organizations and the TV world? The politics. So there's a lot of times with dudes, man, they'll get on TV and they'll change who they are just to make the bosses happy or to. you know, continue to get paid. Because they got a family, you know what I mean? So it's a tricky situation. Like, yo, you ain't being rare.

Or I play with you. You ain't even act like that. But now I'm not a player no more. And I'm trying to remain employed, get my money. And I think also in football is like, it ain't always the best player that plays. You know what I mean? Like, there's sometimes when you, a coach,

he'll keep a job for 30 years. And it's like, how does a dude get his, he's not even that smart. He might, his dad might a coach. He knows that coach. He hires you. Yeah. Relationships. Everybody's buddy, buddy.

And I think sometimes you be so wrapped up in, yo, the best player should win and play and the best TV personality should play or she should be on TV, it don't always happen like that. And I think the relationships is what really wins. Yeah. How do you feel about sports debate culture? Like, you see a lot of these shows that come out, it's based around guys debating. It's something that we all do growing up in the barbershop.

or whose favorite player, whose favorite team, now that they've been able to kind of carve this lane in the sports television world where it's all debate-based. How do you feel about the debate culture on TV? Yeah, I mean, it's kind of dying down a little bit. I think the last real debates we had was like Skip and Shannon Sharp, you know what I mean? But I do like it because, you know, nowadays, like the culture is now accepted

in the corporate world, right? Like, we talk about Kenshal Lamar. Kinshal Lamar's on everything. And if you listen to be rapping about it, they ain't just going to college. Right. And everybody is whites, blacks, everybody's being acceptable to it.

So now when you get into these conversations on TV, sometimes it may come off like it is in a barbershop. But it's authentic. And I think the best thing about TV now is with these different, like, platforms of, like, podcasts and all that,

is letting that people really see, like, okay, I don't want the corporate take. Give me the real take. And now it's like you letting players really speak on it. Because back in the day, yo, I had a chance to interview Carvey Irvin about this. And it was like, I'd rather give my real take and real feelings and thoughts to people that was in my seats. If it was football, basketball, bass, whatever it may be. But stuff that we both understand compared to going to the old media.

and letting them tell my story because they didn't really know. You know what you're saying? You're going to tell me what you think, how it is, and you never even really played. You never was in the locker. You never let a player deliver that message

because, yo, he might have a better way explaining to the viewers. Yeah. Because he played and et cetera. Does that make sense? Yeah, no, I feel like the, you know, the inception of first take when it was Skip and Stephen A was,

damn at the height of your career. Did you tune in? And like, did that ever affect your mental watching that in the morning before going to practice or before going to a game? Good question. So I always like, I was type of dude because my dad was kind of tough on me. So I always like, you know, hearing the good and the bad. You know what I'm saying? Some dudes love to hear all the good.

I want hearing it. Oh, you think I'm not like that. Okay, back. And it gives you something to fuel the fire with, you know, but sometimes, though, I just look at like certain people that would argue about me. So I'll give you example, like if some of the people, like, if some of the people, you know, you see on hair, man, they ate 400 pounds, dog. And you're like, and you telling me how LeBron ain't that good, right?

That's, I'm just looking like, yo, how can you say that? Right. You know what I mean? So it never really affected me. I remember my first lesson was, I remember when I got in the locker room, man. And this is, we had Brian Westbrook, who was phenomenal. I was a rookie. And it was like, yo, like, you letting Westbrook go for LaShawn McCool?

Like, who's this dude? Like, he got a little, one of the reporters said, I had a little boy body. Right? Oh, he don't know where I'm from. I say, yo, when I go on his locker room, I'm going to take the paper and I'm going to let him have it. Yeah.

Right? So I'm on ready. It's like 6 o'clock. I can't wait the same. It turned like 8 o'clock, the media come to the locker room. I go right to him. I never seen him before. Yeah.

And then when I get to him, he got some thick-ass glasses, big-ass stomach. Yeah. I say, fam, I can't get mad at you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You don't know what a real running back looked like. Yeah, yeah.

That was my first lesson. So it's like, I never really let them do kind of like dictate who I am. But I think sometimes like a little ex-players or certain dudes that really study the game would talk about me. Like they give Skip a hard time. This is what I will say about Skip.

Everything Skip says he believes it. Like he's going to do a million research on it. He's going to. So you don't have to play sports to know it. But if you really dedicate and you research it, you won't know about it. So that's why somebody like him, I respect what you say because

it might not be what I wanted to hear but there's some truth to something he's saying yeah does that make sense because he's studying and he's really researching it yeah skip probably still think Tebow is better than Lamar Jackson I'm sure he's still down on that

Tebow. But his mom we're just waiting for Tebow first ballot Halloween he goes you know what I'm saying he never have a talented quarterback debate with you because that's not but somebody he wins

he finds he going to believe that bullshit yeah he definitely will believe that did you keep that in mind like going into the podcast and TV, et cetera, to be a little bit more empathetic with athletes and maybe, even if they're having a down year

or like a few games. Do you keep that in the back of your mind because you know what it feels like when somebody else is critiquing you when you're mid-season? Now, I struggle with the TV and podcasts because I was good on TV so early that they got me a spot.

You know what I mean? And like, I didn't have my road training. So when I see cat that ain't that good, motherfuckuckuck ain't that good. He trashed, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm a player. I didn't realize I can't say how in the locker room was said. And the hard thing with me was like,

I don't care what one of you make. I don't, because nobody in the locker care about that. How good are you? Right. So when I would say different things, I would have people's, you know, cousins, family approached me. And they were like, yo, why you say, I don't even, hold on, man. Why your cousin, we'll make your cousin good.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I didn't learn how to say different things because sometimes, like, you could come off a certain way. Like, I give you example. I don't know. But one of the chiefs, right?

My last year was with them. And I played with a lot of, they're good players. I play with a lot of them. I know them. And one of their teammates wasn't hono, it's, and it's a bargain. So I'm calling him out on the pot, and then one of my main men's like, yo, dang too fine or shady, yo, damn, get cutting some slack. Now, my job is to keep it as real as possible. Right.

But my relationship with you was like, you my man. I don't want to. So I say, look, man. I'm going to try to be as fair. You know what I'm saying? So maybe my 100% opinion on this dude is that he ain't that good. Maybe I can say in a different light where I'm being more respectful. That's the word.

That's what more respect. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, you probably deal with that too, though. Oh, no, constantly. 100%. And I'm glad you went into that because there is a thing that you have to do

when you're talking about either former teammates or colleagues and people that you have a real connection and relationship with. you don't want to be as or come across as harsh to guys that, you know, you really kick it with on a real life in real life situations. As somebody that you're just watching the game, I never met this kid yet, but, you know, he got a lot of upside to him. So you might be a little harsh on him versus the guy that you was actually, you know, in the trenches with and he's still playing.

You don't want to go at him because that's my man for real, like in real life. So it's kind of hard to keep it real. But you got to find a way to be objective. be honest, but you have to find that little gray area. It was like, that's my man. I ain't going to go too hard on them. But see, the thing is what I'd be telling to do, I'm like, yo, like, this is my job now. You know what I mean?

So, like, I had a problem with what? I'm going to say a problem, but James Harder and his homies had an issue with something I said. And I say, yo, man, like, I know you don't know me. I don't know you. We know a lot of the same people. So they'll tell you how I get down. I'm just like, yo. If you play better, I'll talk.

talk about you better. Right. So we said, yo, if you ask you something about Jayson, I'll say, yo,

one of the greatest talents we've ever seen. Mm-hmm. But if we're talking about like, today, yeah. I say,

well, bro, it's documented every time it's like a elimination game or game in line, like you just don't even deliver it. You disappear. You want to be saying about you.

Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Think about that what I'm saying. Yeah. You got to be honest in that moment.

But it's like, what do it's a notorious thing. You go to 30s and every time. Yeah. You, 30 points, you can't stop. Yeah. And you can't keep disappearing in the playoffs and don't think that we're not going to say you keep disappearing in the playoffs. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's interesting. Let me ask you because we deal more in the music world and we've been approached by artists, even that we consider associates or friends. Artists are sensitive. Like, that just comes with the territory. Do you think athletes are just as sensitive? Oh, my God. Yeah.

Because we, I mean, we, again, this is don't know ball. We don't talk sports that much. We talk music. And we for the last 10 years have had to deal with friends, associates, artists all the time being super sensitive. When we weren't even being disrespectful, called anybody out their name. Art is meant to be critiqued. So we critiqued it. That's it.

But I always kind of put that sensitivity just to artists. I never even thought that athletes could be that sensitive based on. Oh, my God. Yeah, I think I was more sensitive. I think we have a longer, like, we're successful longer. Let me break it down. Like, so most athletes. they've been good since they've been like five years old

yeah right they've been the favorites okay to get to high school they're nice still then they go to college yeah well I feel like rappers the rappers that I know like they may be rapping then somehow they look out for them then they get a chance then they blow but ball players

they've been good forever though yeah that's interesting yeah never thought of that you know what I mean so like we got egos you know what I'm saying so like everything's competitive in sports so I think we are super sensitive Like, bro, you should be Because even in rap, I feel like

Like a player that's not that good In the NFL, yo, he used to be the man somewhere. Yeah. He'd go back to his city, he's a man. Like, you can't tell him. He went to his college. He was the shit. Yeah. And you get to the pros, it's like, yeah, he's the third stream, man, watch up. Like, yeah.

So we got egos. We stay sensitive. Even to this day, it'll be times where, you know, I'll meet somebody or whatever. And they'll give me respect because of stuff I didn't feel, but, you know, it'd be real dry. You know what I mean? I'm like, okay, he's, he's,

you might have said something, yeah. So I'll ask, I say, yo man, I said, we got an issue. Like, I'll finish you or something like that, you know what I mean? Because I want to get out the way because most people that rock me, they like me. I got that type of person, you can rock with me. Yeah. So why we got a problem about, though.

Right, right. And back to that sensitivity and back to the debate pundit shows, when you were playing, was it ever awkward in the locker room when one of your teammates got cooked on first take? And it's just the elephant in the room. No one's saying shit, but everybody saw all their critiques, and you already know he's feeling away. Is that a thing in the locker room?

Do y'all talk about what's going on with ESPN, Fox, etc? No, no, no, no, no. We, no, no, we, like, those people don't, they don't have no effect over the team. You know what I mean? It's us against them. So, yeah, you had a bad game, but you're my man. You're my brother.

Like, well, I don't care what they say. But there's times where I've had one time where one of my teammates was, you know, he got caught calling blacks niggas. Riley Cooper, remember that situation? Yeah, yeah. That was the only awkward time. I was like, yo, like, because this is my man for real.

Yeah, yeah. I know I heard what he said. I only believe that. He made me mad, but it's like, you did say that. Then, like, the league is full of blacks. I mean, though, this is we all, we everywhere. Right. So that was real awkward.

What was that, what was that conversation like with him know in the locker room? Yeah, so, so what they did was they kept him away from all of us. Really? Really. Like, holl at him. You know what I mean? But then we had, you know, Mike, Vic is everybody's OG. Yeah.

And Vic was like, he said, he had a team meeting. He said, look, man, what he did was wrong. And I ain't for that shit either. He said, but I've done a lot of things that I'm sorry for. You know, I'm saying that I did that I didn't really mean to do. And he was like, you know, we all have done stuff or said things behind closed doors that ain't right. And when he kind of did all that because it's who he is and the respect that we gave him, we was like, well, shit, we're going to give him a pass.

You know what I mean? So, but it was awkward because now he gets a pass. You got a block for him. Mm. Or win the game, right? And, you know, now, every game we play, everybody's trying to do some dirty to him. And it's like, I get why they want to hurt him, but it's like, yo, this is our man. Yeah.

Now, that was real awkward. Wow. Yeah, that's tough. I got a block for you and you just said what you just said. It's like, that was tough. That was, I don't know. You know everyone got in for him. games and love, you know, because it's football dirty.

They punch him under pile. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Grab with some of like nuts. Yeah. You know what I mean? And they're like, you know, they face man's trying to rip their eyes out. But I got to protect me because he's my man. Right.

And I do love to hear that about Michael Vic because he always got the rap that he was, especially in Philly. That he wasn't a good leader. And he could, like, that's great to even hear that Vic was taking on that type of role. Like, what was his years like? With Michael Vic, to me, is like a superhero. Like, what was it like even? being in the same locker room with him.

Y'all look, I got in the league at 20 years old. I was the youngest playing the league. So Mike Vick, he did his little bit. He came home. Right. And I remember he walking to the, he walking into the facility, whatever. And I sang, I say, yeah, what's up, yo?

Shady Mukher, what's up? Yeah, what's up? It was good. All right. And then he walked out. I'm like, oh, shit. You know what I didn't have to see that. I remember just talked to all my homies.

Like, yo, dog. I just shook my, my bitch. 10, like, you can't say your dog, but yeah. Oh, yeah, right, right. Well, yeah, Vic was, he was special. He was like, you know what thing with Vic is? He don't even understand how big he is.

Like, he don't really see who we. Icon. We're in the club. You got Air Force and a headband. We like, yo, you, like, you like, you like, you want to Vic. You don't even get it. Super humble. You don't even know who you are.

Like, do you know who you are? Yeah, like, take them, take them jeans off, put some real. Like, Vic, he was super humble, bro. One of the best teammates. He's one of the best, he's better person. He's his player, bro. Vic is different. What was that time like for you in Philly?

Because, I mean, the city of Philadelphia to this day, you know, they love you. Your time in Philly, what you did for the Eagles is legendary. What was it like that energy during your time in Philadelphia, like just the fans, the city, the team, the organization? What was that time like for you? Oh, man, Philly was special. You know, it really helped me grow to be like a man. You know what I'm saying? I was 20 years old.

Oh, man, that's such a big city. You don't know what they expect. The fans was great. Big sports town. The fans always keep you honest. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just got inducted to the Eagles Hall of Fame. Congrats on that.

Yeah. And just saying, like, how the fans embraced me, man. It just love. And I feel like as a, as like a, that's the closest thing to have, like, a real family in the NFL. The NFL is always like in and out, like revolving door. Guys come in, guys come out. But the Eagles fan base and the ownership and all that,

like they really make you feel like a real family. Like, there's times where I talk to the owner all the time. You know what I mean? I'm honoured to players, like trying to get Sequan to come to Philly. Like I was trying to do that, trying to help out. And most teams don't really do that. They don't really even care. You know what I mean?

So that was special man playing with Deshaun and Jeremy Maclin and all them dudes. You know, we still tight to this day. So I love my time at Philly, you know, and the fan base. And shout out to DeShall, he got the head coach in that Delaware State, right? Yeah. Shout out to Deshawn Jackson on that. Love Del State for other reasons. Yeah, classic.

All right, where do you rank the Philly sports fan base across the board? Like, I think, of course, Oakland Raiders, you know, before they went to Vegas, that was always the stereotype. I don't know if there's a bigger group of animals than the Philadelphia Eagles. fan base. I have friends that are Eagles fans. They're great people individually but when they get together, they're the worst group of human beings I've ever seen in my life. You know there's a riot

police section at the Eagle Stadium. That's only in Philly. That's not in any of the stadium. There's no riot police. You know, the last stadium they had they had a jail in there. Yes. No, there's a jail in the stadium. Yeah. I would rate Philly fans probably

one. One. Yeah, I don't think it's close. I don't think it's close. travel, we ain't for no bull crap. You know what I mean? And I like them because, you know why? If the team playing bad, they're going to let you know. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're paying money to be watching these games like, and they'll let you know that. And I love that for that because they're honest.

You know what I'm saying? And they ain't for the bull crap. Don't be coming up here, but you little cowboy jersey don't talk to shit. Yeah. You might not leave with your jersey on. That's the fact. Yeah. Yeah.

What was the music like in the locker room with y'all? Because, I mean, you're talking about Deshawn Jackson, obviously from the West Coast. you being from PA Vic being from Virginia like what was the music like what was y'all listening to in the locker room

so my personality is like I'm like I'm cool with everybody you know I mean country boys white boys black news everybody so I was running the music

for real and everything's up north from me like I was putting them boys on dipset I put them on everything this one gym was going crazy yeah

obviously Hove Nas I had that big Epo I had all that playing. But Dejad, you know what? He put me on Nipsey. Okay. I remember the first time, I said, yo, he ain't really lyrical like I like. But he was good.

A lot of style. He was teaching in his own way. Yeah. I remember putting him on, he's put me on Nipsey. This before he was, this is when he was selling the CDs out of the car or something like that. I remember that. The Crenshaw air. Yeah, so DJ always had the West Coast sound. I remember when him and me,

me was that a little rap, a little battle. Yeah. I said, bro, listen. Y'all about to come here and talk about all this. That shit ain't going to win. Don't bet. Because he'll be going to have, I didn't know who a little stupid was at the time. Yeah.

I said he's going to have somebody in there that can rap. Yeah. If we battle it, we're going to be. And sure enough, he's ass lost. I told him that. Yeah. Because you were in Philly when the Meek and, like, game beef and that whole thing was happening, right? Yeah.

Yeah. What's your relationship like with Meek since you was in Philly? And obviously being a native of Pennsylvania. Yeah. No, me, it was cool. we used to gamble hang out you know what I'm saying partying all that I just seen him at the Super Bowl

was hanging out that's one thing about Philly though all like the from the ball players like the rappers we all are like we all are won that's one thing I did like

about Philly yeah but Mink was cool dude yeah now obviously the Eagles just won the Super Bowl this past season it took one of our guys that we had our

beloved Saquan Barclay had to go down to turn it up down there in Philly I'm happy for him I'm happy that he got got a ring. That's real.

That's real. Yeah, absolutely happy for Sequin. As a giant fan, I hate y'all, but I was so happy for Seqq. He deserved it because we did him so fucking dirty. Absolutely. Now, and watching Seekwon Barclay, what are some similarities you see in you and Saquan, and what are some of the differences in the style between you and Seekwon? You know what?

A lot of people be trying to, like, stay there. I don't really see a lot of similarities because there are games different. Like, so me and him, we have a golf event we do every year. Sequan a lot bigger than me. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So I think when people see him make moves and all that, and they look at my moves, like, yo, them guys are shitty boy.

Like, he's a lot bigger than I am. You know, and I guess the part you would say we are similar is, like, we was real nice and we can make dudes mess and make highlights. But I think we're really different. I think he got his own style, and his style is obviously working. I think he's more, I think he's more God-gifted than I am. You know, I come at it at, I don't know what, six foot, like 207.

I ain't ever really lived weights. I never was into that. Where he's a dude that like, he's always been a lifter. It's always been working hard on the gym. Like, I didn't really do none of that. And I think the way we played was good because we both was like,

explosive and got busy. But we just different. I think our styles is a lot different. Yeah, I mean, definitely the shiftingness once he got to the Giants, I think it eminidated you for sure. But because he's stocky, I see what you're saying.

But you definitely do have a, a same shift as far as how y'all move in between gaps and how y'all go like yeah i see why people say it y'all just have different body types of balls and they're like man we'll talk like we laugh about it you know what i'm saying but uh one thing i do i will say about him that i didn't know he had this from not no like i knew him and we would talk but it wasn't like when he came in philly where i can really holl at him and really be around him i didn't know he was that competitive you know um like watching the pin state he looked talented watching me the giants like you know but I don't know how competitive he was

I'm a real competitor like I hate to lose and anything I'll tell you how competitive he is he beat more in karaoke I was happy see that he's so competitive he beat mall in karaoke

at a birthday party that's a fact for real? Yeah no it's a fact no he sang at karaoke I didn't it wasn't I know because it was a competition it wasn't no competition

I did not sing at all he saw that karaoke mic and said I'm smoking everybody and then mall he did he did his thing to see him showing because we golf and like I don't really golf like that but I talk a lot of shit so my team play his team it's like his college team my college team and we played and we won and you know I'm talking of shit I'm you know what I mean yeah and I could see how I said oh he cares

that was good to see though because now if you care about little golf you don't care about yeah and he plays like that so I like to see that um you went up to uh to buffalo so at minimum twice a season you saw Bill Belichick. I have to ask, you know, the question that's on everyone's mind, football related, did he always give Sugar Daddy Vops? You know what? No, you know what I was about Bill, though? He been so angry and mad and trying to like win everything and just,

like, now he, he, now he's getting his ass beat, and now he's like, all right, 24-year-stuff is over. Let me enjoy life. You got money. I got status. Yeah. Let me give me a little bad. little 25.

You're like, you know what I'm going to do yoga on the beach? Yeah. Man, come on taking his shirt off and all that. Like, go on. He was wearing hoodies that were cut off. Yeah, no, I'm happy Bill is finally embracing. Yeah, she gets built some style. What it is.

But yeah, he just never. Bill, though. I don't really rock a bill like that because, like, you had Brady, dog. You know how blessed that is that Brady? Yeah. And you win in championships and you still not happy with Brady? Yeah. You know what we're talking about?

Tees would die to have Brady. That's a fact. Now, speaking of Brady. him like he ain't nothing like what yeah speaking of brady you you at you played and that i'm thinking about it you played with michael vick you played with pat mohomes brady and brady now with those and josh allen god damn now with those with those four quarterbacks right what are if you had them on the draft board right now in front of you vick brady they no accolades nothing you just I played with Donald McNandah. He was nice.

God. Oh, yeah. I forgot he was at the end of that. Now, real quick, I know what you're about to ask real quick. The last time I did this, and this was when Josh was the second year, so he won't even, so you don't even know who Josh Allen really was. I did. I know how good he was. Yeah. He said he was mad at him. I'm like, yo, damn, dog.

Yeah. I called you twice. You texting me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't want to talk to you. He said, yeah, man, I seen your quarterback list. Yeah. So you talk about players being, uh, sensitive? Yeah.

He wasn't in his second year. He wasn't even as far yet. And he was like, yo, you didn't have me as elite dude. Like, man. You had me over Brady? You didn't have him over Brady? Right, right, right. So, all right, so what's the question?

You had had me over Michael Vic who had a thousand yards rushing in one season. So in all of those quarterbacks you play with, who is the guy that if you just saw them play? No accolades. Just saw them on the field, working out, throwing the ball. Who is the one you'd be like? I want him to be my quarterback. I want to run for him. All right, hold on real quick.

Because, like, that's the question is like, so you're saying if everybody's out here in the yard, just throwing a ball, running and throwing. Just running and throwing. I mean, number one. See, but that's hard because, like, football ain't just that. Yeah. Now, okay, I'm going to answer your question.

Then I'm going to ask, I'm going to put in a scenario where, like, it makes more sense for me. Okay. All right. So I probably would say, Josh Allen on all them dudes. Really?

If you just talk, if you say, your question is, yo, if you're in a park, there's dogs and cats running around and we got a football field.

Yeah. And we just throwing a board running and all that. Yeah. Yeah. It's Josh Bob. No, but I have to get pushback.

The way Patrick Mahones has actually changed the quarterback position in the way he plays schoolyard ball in the highest level of the NFL. Pat, different.

Pat different. If you just run around in a park, I don't know if anyone besides, Pat Mahomes might be number one period in NFL history for backyard football. So Pat the best quarterback today, for sure. And I think Pat's the best, right? But when you just talk about that, you just said with a t-shirt on and just throwing a ball around running around. Josh Allen, if he race Michael Vick, Michael Vick will win.

It's going to be a close race than what people will think. Okay. God damn, okay. When they all stand next to each other, though, Josh is going to look way bigger than all these dudes. Okay. All right. He'll run you over if you're in his way.

He might make you miss if you're in his way. He tough his nails. And then we're going to talk about the strongest arm. Now, he probably got the strongest arm. We probably out of him and Pat. I remember when I was, when I went to Kansas City, he was talking to Pat about just, you know, quarterbacks and all that.

And I'm an Instagram, so I'm out of brought up to him. And he was like, well, I'll probably never do like a throw-off with Josh because it's like, it's like, it's a lose-lose because it's like, yo, I'm supposed to win. but Pat got a or Josh got a crazy arm so it'll be close either way you cut it Now that's one part of it Now we just say yo I'm on a football team

And the intelligence The winning all that stuff What quarterbacks do matters Then the first dude off the table It's Tom Because he can't run a lick And he's better than everybody He's smart and everybody

He knows what the dude And he's a competitor That mother right there So I would go with Tom and then I'm probably Go with Pat second and then I will go Allen third and then fourth would be Probably Vic You know damn I would have thought Vic would have been up higher like on the list

Because I mean just remember Michael Vic Playing obviously a great run a great athlete But I think Vic's arm was really underrated For a lot of years Hell yeah For a lot of years I think Michael Vic as a passer Was was very underrated because coming in It was like, you know, this guy, he breaks the pocket,

but he can go and get you a first down, get you a touchdown. But then when he, you know, when in his later years, it's like, okay, I can't really just get out this pocket and start running. I think it was better with the Eagles. I was about saying, in Philly, I think he proved that point way more than he did in Atlanta. Well, yeah, I mean, he had shit. He had Deshawn out there running every fucking going deep.

Every play, like, throw that shit, the Sean going to get him. Because I always want to hear, like, people's perspectives not ball player. So, so you would, so you would, so you tell me you would take Mike over who, though. You say you'll be hiring. If I'm looking at that, if I had those four, I'm thinking I probably would either go Mike, Vic, or Pat Mahomes first. One of those two. I would go Pat, Mike, Josh Allen Brady as far as in the park, school yard, football.

Oh, in the park. Yeah, no, no, of all time. I'm sorry. I did the record is on the football part. That's what I said. Oh, on football. I mean, Brady is first to me. Yeah.

So, oh, so I'm sorry. And that's my bed. So we say in the park. Yeah. Oh, so, okay, Josh will be first in the park. Then I'm going with Mahones, then Vic, then Brady. Okay. Because Mahones, like you said, Mahones be looking left.

He'll throw that thing right and it'd be accurate. Yeah. And he's more elucid than what people think. Yeah. They see his stomach. They see how he talk. They're like, oh, he ain't really going to happen. Pat an athlete.

Yeah. Yeah. No, he was just the way he'd be doing the shovel passes for 30 yards is the crazyest I've ever seen. Like, that's... Pat, and he's a competitor. I watched this time we had to tackle. I don't even say his name, but he was really good.

And every day the week he kept checking on, like, yo, is he going to play? Is he going to play? Every day? Yeah. Well, we get to the last day's Friday. If you really don't make the injury report, then you won't play. You know what I'm saying?

Man, Pat walking that shit, he said, yo, is he playing? The doctors and the players started, like, mumbling, like, kind of, you know, give me some jumbo. Yeah. Saying a lot, but not saying nothing. Yeah. He said,

He said, yeah, fucking. I'm going to, I'm a wood him without him. Yeah, and he won. That's, as a running. Real quick, TV don't show you that part, though, right? Yeah, boy. Yeah, yeah. As a running back, being with those legendary quarterbacks,

do you think that was an advantage or disadvantage? As far as maybe the defense was focused more on the pass, so giving the ball to you was easier, or the fact that, hey, we're just focusing on the passing game? Yeah. say this, though, you know, I wasn't really blessed to play them dudes in my prime prime. So I played with, I played with Pat and Tom at the last two years of my career, right? And then when I played with Josh, he was a rookie. So, like, he was talented, but he won good. They still getting some

respect, though. And then when I played with a Mike, see, the Mike thing was weird because Mike was good, but like, it should have ran through me. Because I was, I was the one I was making all first team all pros. They were showing him. They weren't doing that. It was good. I was up, but they want to do on that. Right. And we would throw the ball so much. Or now you might get a picker or a fumble or, you know what I mean? Because we're throwing it so much.

If you look at how they use Lamar and Jackson, they ran the ball a lot with Derek Henry. And they let Lamar run a little bit. But he ain't throwing it like 30-something times a game. Right. We was throwing the ball with Mike, like it was like it was paymanning or, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And it's not a dist to him, but it's like his game is he can throw the ball, but he can run too.

Like, why are we going to make him do all that throwing? Yeah. Well, I mean, did you see a difference with Andy Reid in Philly versus KC? Like, what was the difference there? So he didn't call plays in Philadelphia. You know what I'm saying? He just looked over everything where he called plays in Kansas City. I remember saying, telling him, like, all these excited plays you got,

why didn't cost when I was there? So he didn't really call plays. Yeah. You know, but then again, like, Mike's skill set different from paths. Yeah. You know, and then sometimes being honest, like, if Pat's throwing it 38, 40 times, like, he might get a pick. Because he'll throw some picks, too. Like, you got to be a certain type of talent to do all that.

Unless you're throwing, like, bubble screens or, you know, safe passes. Pay Manning's and Tom, they can do that shit. Yeah. Yeah. Now makes sense. Now we just had the, we just had the NFL draft. And, you know, obviously the talk of the night with Shador sliding to the first. fifth round. As somebody that's, you know, obviously been in that position yourself, what was your

thoughts in that moment, like, as far as just being a player, like going back to that moment of you being on the board and waiting to hear your name call? Like, did you, number one, did you think should do it would slide that far down in the draft? And number two, do you think it's more a political thing or maybe as a player, I'm just asking the players, do you feel like you've seen something that should do it where he's not. quite ready or which y'all think he is yet. Yo, man, like, we can do this, but y'all know what's going on. Y'all know what's going.

That's why you asked the question. That was bullshit. Yeah. That was crazy, bro. Then, like, now you got a player in your team that you took in the third round, quarterback. Yeah. That everybody knows, you're not even good at your door. He's the fifth round.

Like, so if, let's say it wasn't as good as you I thought he was. And maybe he thought he's burning what he is. His dad's Dion. So everybody's now is going to feel like they burned him. You know, because that's a Dionne installs in his kids. Like, you order shit, which is not wrong with that. Right. But y'all telling me a fifth round draft pick, yo?

Right. So check this out. So I've been playing ball a long time. I've never heard a coach or franchise come out and say, well, we got a third round draft hit. We drafted. We got a fifth round draft pick. We got an old-ass quarterback and Joe Flacko.

He's like 40s. He's like older than all of us on this call. or the zone, right? And then you got a young quarterback that struggled in his career, but he made some splashes in Philadelphia, but in Pittsburgh, he wasn't that good, okay? They said, you know what we're going to do?

They told the whole world this, the whole, you know, the media, that we're going to split the reps from the first team and the second team. Now, since I'm in playing, it don't happen like that. Okay. The starter gets the number one reps,

the backup gets the number two reps. the third and fifth round draft pick, that's in football, that's nothing. That's like, you're fifth rounder. There's nothing,

you know. You won't let the fifth rounder get some second team reps in the first team reps. Normally they go with the fourth string and third string. Right. So that lets you know that

everybody in this room we got are Eagle for real. And that he could potentially start because he's a fifth rounder, he shouldn't even be taking no number one reps. Right. So y'all did all that bullshit with the draft.

to have your fifth round draft pick now be taking number second team reps and first team reps and tell me how that makes sense what that was was listen got this young black kid who don't need the pros right let's calming down a little bit

he's a little bit too cocky the ego check yeah ego check I didn't like that shit yeah I thought that it was it was crazy only because when you start looking around and look at all the analysts and where they had them

and look at all the mock drafts like I think the lowest I saw was like they had them like late first, early second. But now when you get to third, fourth, everybody's like, okay, clearly this is, you know, they're going at coach prime, you know, they don't like it. It's politics, things like that. Even the president, even Donald Trump chimed on that and was like, like people are just stupid.

There's no way his dad is a great player, DNA, he's a champion, he's a street smart. And all these things Donald Trump was saying, he was like, there's no way that should do saying it should be a fifth round draft pick bro, none. Yeah, that was crazy. Before we get out of here, top five Philly rappers of all time.

Ooh. Top five? Top five. I'm gonna go, damn, the hard part is, because I'm a MEC fan. I love Meek, though. I guess it'll be cool, too,

but I got, but see, I love Siegel. That's a tough one, you know? That's a tough one. I'm going to go with, um, um, um, Philly has a lot, a lot of spitting. A lot of rappers in Philly. I know, but I'm just talking about that, that, that, that's, number one, I will go, uh, I'm gonna go meat meals.

Okay. All right. You know, him and, him and see was a tough one, no. That's a tough one for me. This is for me. That's a tough one. Yeah. I'm going, uh, I'm going to go, uh, I'm going to go, um, I'm going to go, um, I'm going to go, um, I'm going

Cassie third. Okay. Not mad at that. I love Cass like you're talking about a rat or rap. He's the first one throwing on. Yeah. You know? Let's 3.4. I'm going to go this going to fuck you up a little bit. But I'm going to go I'm going to go Eve, yo. I'm not mad at that at that. I was just having an Eve conversation.

I'm not mad at that. Eve has my favorite voice of a female rapper. They said just her voice to me is the best. female rap voice I've ever heard. Yeah, I'm not mad at that at all. Go to New York, but she's over her own. Yeah. And then I'm going to go fifth,

I guess I'm biased because I like some of the people. I like, you know, you can go free, but I'm going to go, I'm going to go young Chris. I'm not mad at that at all. Definitely not mad at that. That makes sense to me.

Definitely not mad at that. I love what him and Ryder, him and Rodder put out their tape. Yeah. One of my favorite tips. Chris is. Chris is. Chris, he's going to be nice forever.

He's going, he's going to always be an elite. elite rapper. I love young questions. Real quick, yeah, because your outsiders, was you to have had Beanie first over me? Yeah. Yeah. Bean's one of my favorite rappers ever. Yeah.

I shit. Yeah, the becoming, the reason, the truth, like those albums, it's just like... Time and two, with my age, like, Beans was the one for me. Yeah. But, I mean, I would even put on some, like, rap nerdy shit,

Black Thought has to be in that conversation. Black Thought. Yeah, like... Yeah, right. Even close to like a number, like, you could make a case that he would be the number one rapper, rapper, rapper, from Philly. Yeah, we're talking just technically rapping.

Yeah. But, I mean, I would put beans, I put beans one, Black Thought, two, three. I would, I probably put, this is my personal shit, freeway. Free was nice, too. Meek would be four. Ooh. Shit, five. It's funny you said young Chris because that...

The young Chris got in the top five. He's kind of like... He's right there. He got to be. There's no doubt about it. I probably put Chris right there too. I'd actually, as far as rapping, I probably prefer Chris over Cassidy,

but I feel like that's disrespectful because that I'm a hustler album, like it's kind of fucked up to not put Cassidy in the top five. And I'm also too, like... Like, I like the bars. I'm a bar dude, but also, like, when you leave Philadelphia and you go to Houston

or you go to wherever. Like, some people represent the city the right way. You know what I mean? Like, Cass, he was one of them do was that, yo, my Philly Shill, people going to know, you know, because stuff I don't did. So I think about all that, like the production part in the actual bars, you know. Well, y'all are disrespectful because no one brought up Will Smith. Listen, man.

I love Freshman, I love Freshman's of Bel-Lia. I love Freshman's a Bel-Lay. What are you got to put that to go? I'm just saying, like, y'all are disrespectful. You know what, though? I'm going to tag a gilly this shit. Gilly will be like, yo, why don't I make that list?

Yeah, Gilly definitely going to be like, why he ain't top of it? I put no disrespect on Gilly's name. Because especially we going back to my era with beans. Like, Gilly's mixtapes was our shit in high school. Like, Gilly is definitely in that conversation. I wouldn't even be mad with the young Chris versus Gilly. Gilly is up there.

I don't want to, I don't want to suspect Gilly. I go, I go real. I go real, like, if you go on Gilly, I'm going Dutch and Spade. Like, I go into that type of thing. Yeah, I go into that. Yeah, I go into that. go into like that type of Philly.

E-Ness, no. Hell yeah, but En-S. Ines right now is going to cry. He put out a freestyle every other week. He's going crazy, but he don't have, it's the music. He don't have the songs, yeah. Yeah, the songs. But E-Ness for sure is up there.

Enes, he deserves a shout-out, bro. No, definitely. Enesst still, he's still rapping. He's still going crazy. I mean, they never really rep Philly like that, but corrupt and left-eye, I feel like need to be somewhat in a conversation. A lot of people don't know corrupt. Now, corrupt, he'll never say Philly.

No, he'll never say Philly. he do. Yeah, he did every now and then. Yeah, he let people know, yeah. He let people know he from Philly for sure. But left eye, I think he needs to be in that conversation as well. Even though she, you know, Atlanta with TLC shit, but she's from Philly. Yeah, absolutely.

Right. All right. I say, before we let you go, what is your prediction this year for the Super Bowl? Who's taking it all this year? The Eagles. No next year. Yeah. Well, led by y'all man from New York, Seekon.

Back at it. You think they're going to do it again and go back to back? Yeah. Yeah. They team. That's the same team. Same team. Same team.

And KC, KC going to be right there. I think KC. going to be right there. I think either KC in Buffalo that play, but the Eagle team too good, bro. What's wrong in Buffalo? Like, what's going on? Why has Buffalo not made it there? I'll tell you why. Bro, you play the Juggernauts every year.

Yeah. If the bills play in the NSC, they make the Super Bowl every year like the Chiefs. Right. It's hard to be Patrick Rohn's and Andy Reed. Andy Reid is the best coach of football of all time, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it's tough. You got them over, though. But you got them over Bill? Yeah. Now, look. No, you can't say that. Let me take, all right? And I fucking Eddie really.

Now, that's some good football for y'all, all right? Okay. So, like, people would be conditioned. You know what I mean? Like, I don't care how great any player does. Nobody will be better than MJ. That's how people look at it. Right.

You know what it is? Belichick got that same thing. When Belichick didn't have Brady, he was trash. Mm-hmm. People, people, only act like he's only coach for the Patriots. That's not true. He had other coaching jobs.

Wait, no, no, no, no. I'm giving pushback because he was a defensive coordinator in Cleveland. He was with the Giants as some other random assistant. When Bledsoe went down, let's not act like the Patriots was ass. Like, Belichick was there for what? Two years? A year and three games before Brady was there and took a backup and did that. Like, let's not, and always had never had good personnel until Randy Moss showed up.

So I'm going to do for you, right? I like you giving a pushback. I like that. I like that. Don't go with your son. So I'm going to give you some homework. Give me some homework, right? So when we lead this interview, right?

I'm going to get your info. We're going to talk again. So he was a head coach before he got to the Patriots. That's some homework for you to look at. And when you look at that homework, he wasn't a winner. He was a loser here, okay? Then when you get to the Patriots, right? before you had Tom Brady

and after you had Tom Brady, right? You're not even 500 winning coach. That team's last though. And last thing, last thing, soon Brady leaves, right? You limp your way to the playoffs. You get smoked by 35 points to a team you play twice a year. And then after that, you look like one of the worst teams in football. So Andy Reid, no matter where you drop him at, no matter who his quarterback is,

he always going to be a good coach we always going to win. Before he got to the Chiefs, they won three games, bro. Yeah. Same motherfucking team, same team. Yeah. Then the next year,

they go to playoffs, and now the Chiefs is what they are. The Eagles, before we got to the Eagles, it was trash. First year, he went five and three, five, he went five games,

five and 11. Then the year after that, 11 and five, playoffs, playoffs, playoffs, playoffs. So,

I just hate when we compare them dudes and the last thing that worked, last thing. So. I didn't know as we Bill Bellows the defender. It's a dude, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Right? Andy Reid is an officer quarterback type of dude. So I can develop players. I think Pat's wrong was phenomenal. I personally don't think that Pat will be that without Andy. I think he'll be really, really good. I don't think he'd be that. Right.

Everywhere Amy Reid goes, the quarterback is going to be good. Okay. This is what it is. I can't say that same for Bill. Bill gets credit for Tom, and he's a quarterback, and you're a defensive coach. Okay. Yeah. After Deflate Gates, how many games was Brady suspended?

they went undefeated Yeah Um And then And then Maine homie's career Who went to the 49ers What's his name?

Girapolo? Grapolo? Yeah Geropolo, yeah He's trash too. What about him? No, exactly And Bill,

he went undefeated with Bill after deflategate when Brady got suspended. Look, I mean, you talk about a couple games, I give you that. I can't say you all about that.

And I'm not saying it's comparable to what Andy Reid has done it as in regards with other quarterbacks. But you can't discredit that Brady was really a nobody at that time. Who can you say that, though?

Yo, I know what he did in Michigan. Don't get me wrong. They just cried to him. We're talking about the pros. Every word time where he goes, he wins. The dude left. The dude leaves. No, I'm saying when Bledso went down,

Bill was dealing with a nobody as a quarterback, had no experience the NFL, and no real personnel. So that's not true. Bill and Brady have made Edelman a Hall of Famer. Like, every last little fucking wide receiver they have made that way. But this is my question of people like

They say that How does Bill get credit For them type of receivers? He's like, he's on defense side He don't have to do with the offense? Come on. You think Bill Belichick

has nothing to do with the offense? Nothing at all. You think he don't show up on Tuesdays and Wednesdays? He'd just be at home with his 24-year-old girlfriend. I'm saying, and he's not putting no plays in. He's not installing. He's not like,

he's not coaching the offense. Like Andy Reid ain't going on her coaching the defense. He's the coach, the GM. I'm not, I don't think he's the best drafter, but look what he's done. He's taking a bunch of of kids from Rutgers and made them

Hall of Fame DBSs. Like, that's a coach. He put the best offensive coordinators that ended up being the Notre Dame head coach. Like, he has made stars out of coaches. Mike Rable. Like, he has made stars. All his coordinators, they be trashed for offense. Then why

are they a dynasty? Let me tell you, hold on. Hold on. They coached Tom Brady, dog. That's the truth. The coordinators he gets, right? They come there with the Patriots. They win in all these games and all this shit. Soon they leave the Patriots and they leave Tom Braids their quarterback. They go to all these different places and be trash.

You know what they do? Then they come back to Tom and they save them. Tom left the Patriots and won the championship with the Bucks. Okay. Same roster. Same roster. All I'm saying is, that was like the AAU version. That Bucks team was insane.

What are we talking about? From running game to three receivers. Let's act like that Bucs team. Grom came back. What are we talking about? He had an all-star team. But see, you say that. You say that.

it's like, this elite players versus elite players. So nothing's just really easy. You know what I'm saying? It's the NFL, of course. It's really easy. So what I'm saying is, the common factor we have here

is that every time number 12 goes somewhere, they're going to be winning. And then when he leaves, the Patriots ain't never looked that bad. They look terrible about Tom. Am I correct? I know. I think Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback

of all time. I don't even think it's fucking close. I'm just saying we cannot discredit Bill Belichick and everything he did with the rosters that he had. The Patriots were never a superstar team, ever. Even the rules. Even the running backs.

If you go through the Patriots running backs for the last 20 years, those guys would have never been damn near Super Bowl MVP's without the system that was running in the Patriots. This is what I don't get, though. This is what I'll get what you keep doing. You keep giving, so Bill's thing is defense, right? They say he's one of the most greatest masterminds on defense. Right. So if that's what he is, why do you keep giving him credit for offense?

He's the head coach. So if they fail, he gets the credit. But if they win, he doesn't? But I'm saying, How do you get the credit? Nobody, I mean, nobody does that. You think he's legitimately not looking through any of that. Like he's just be like, yo, whatever y'all want to do.

No, I mean, obviously, he's the coach. But what I'm saying is like, he ain't in that motherfucker like, yo, let's go over this officer game plan. That's not what he does. It's not what he do. Most coaches. Most thorough moff, I just cannot see him not looking over that. He ain't doing these crazy, exotic defense and shit. That's not what they do.

You got an office going to the defense coach. You got the head coach. I see everything. but I ain't really, so real quick before you leave. Because you keep saying the personnel and the team was not that good. Look at the fucking defense that the Patriots had with Tom Brady and Drew Blubsoe. Because I don't think you know. No.

Teddy Bruske was crazy. Vrable was there at that time. I mean, obviously you get to the high towers and all that after. Let's get the better players. They were good. Let's get the real good players. Rodney Harrison was struggling in San Diego until he came to the Patriots. He was having a hard time.

Keep going. Keep going. That's crazy. We keep going. Who was the free safety next to Ronnie Harrison? He was nice. Oh, Mallor, that went to the bills. He was nice too. He was, he was, yeah, but again. Because he's always been nice. No, you talk about lawyer Malloy? Yeah, he was a linebacker. Yeah, lawyer Malloy, Willie, Willie McGinnis, was struggling with the Patriots until

Bill got there. Oh, no. Everybody struggling. Don't know me. They was in a bad organization. I'm sorry. You think. No, no, no, no. Let's get into it. You think Pete Carroll was bringing Willie McGinnis to the promised land? I think Willie was a really good player. No, Willie is a Hall of Fame, but he had a shitty system.

Really is a goat. You had him, you had Ryan Seymour. You had Tyloor. Goll? Tyloor, yeah, Sante Samuel. First of all these dudes are. All right, Assante Samuel. Who was Asante Samuel before the Patriots and got that contract with y'all?

bro he was a beast he's a rookie and beat one of the dudes out he'd been good his whole life he's in his good his whole life and he proves but that he wasn't some lottery pick that the Patriots got they was already a damn near dynasty when they got Asante Samuel the system was perfect for him okay you're acting like Asate Samuel was the number one pick but I'm saying he was a baller I don't care what he's a he should be in the Hall of Fame I'm saying the system with the Patriots with Bill and what he did gave him even the value to what got to the Eagles Assante balled out with the Patriots and ball with the Eagles.

Bill Belichick made Tyrone Poole a potential Hall of Famer. What are you talking about? Tyrone Poole's out of the potential Hall of Famer. I love Tyrone. I love, but see, this is great. Blanchex, everybody's so fool. You'll be surprised a lot of the Patriots players saying about him. Like, all that bullshit, Tom Brady's will make that thing go, bro, that's the simple thing.

I mean, yeah. I'm arguing because it's fun right now. Without a doubt. No, you in locker, you know this shit way more than I do. I keep saying last thing real quick. So, like, on all 32 teams, right? You're telling me if Tom Brady What's the bad teams?

So you got the average teams and the bad teams. Do you think that he makes some teams better? I think if he went to the 49ers with the 198th pick instead of the 109th pick We're looking at something different. I think it was a perfect storm. Shit that happens in the universe

with two people coming together. I think Tom was going to be Tom no, opportunity is something that happens. Like, let's say Bledso. Bledso, they had just read up his contract. He was going to be the franchise player. If he doesn't go down, Bledso still stays right there. We're not acting like they're putting $200 million into Drew Bledso after he did take them

in the Super Bowl, lost against Brett Fav. At that point, they're going to let Tom Brady beat him out in practice? You think Robert Kraft is allowing that? Yo, Tom. He allowed Hernandez to mark people and he still was like, yo, I'll show up to the court. Yeah, they gave Tom Brady a hundred million-dollar deal or they gave Bruce Plymouth out deal and Tom beat him out. He's better.

He's better, bro. That's what happened. That's the truth. Wait, Tom beat out who? Bledso went down. Bledso went down, came back for the Pittsburgh AFC championship for like one quarter. Bledso balled out.

But it was clear that Tom Brady was the one. If Bledso doesn't go down, that doesn't happen. But I mean, well, that's football. We can't, I don't know. But I'm saying they're not allowing as good as Brady could be at practice. That franchise in politics. What did you say?

What did you say earlier? I'm going to do a callback. You said sometimes the best player doesn't play. It's politics. You give Bledso this much, money. He has the smile. He's tall. He's marketable. You think they're investing all that money to let some kid from Michigan beat him out?

No, that's not happening. He went down and he took the moment and became the greatest quarterback of all time. If he goes to the 49ers, I don't know if that same opportunity is happening. Oh, so you said, oh, I get credit for that. So you're saying, like, Bill made it happen for him. Like, he gave him a chance to play? It was a perfect storm and energy of both of those people in that opportunity.

And yeah, an amazing coach and the potential greatest quarterback of all time and that moment happening. That's some real, you have to go on the moon and stars to figure out how that whole shit happened. I'm dead ass. But the thing with Tom is like, the time that you know,

everywhere he's been that, he's been really, really good. He's been a winner, right? Yeah, Michigan, he was a winner. Everything I know about Tom is that he's been a winner. He's been really, really good as a quarterback. That's what y'all know. That's fair. What I'm telling you is that

we can't say this same for Belichick. That's all I'm saying, bro. No, he's 75 with a 24-year-old girlfriend. That's a winner to me. So look, look, look. He got to do his homework. I got to roll. It's the homework.

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