New Rory & MAL - Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | Lexie Brown

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

On this episode of "Rory and Mal Don't Know Ball" the guys are joined by Seattle Storm Guard Lexie Brown. Rory and Mal get Lexie's take on growing up with parents bumpin' Christian music, if she's really feelin' Gelo's song "Tweaker", and promise to hit up the Backstreet Boys residency in Las Vegas #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcast. The volume. All right, Roy, we are back for another fun episode of Don't Know Ball because we absolutely do not know Ball. Turn out. Whatsoever. And today we are joined by a, friend of the show,

WMBA World Champion, and somebody who I think is going to have a great career in podcast and when she decides to hang the shoes up for good. Lexi Brown. Yay. Welcome. Thank you. Maul, I have to ask you a question. So,

wait, well, how does this start with asking you? Lexi is here. I'll see you every day. I'll speak to you every day. What I'm about to ask you has to do with Lexi. Okay. So I want to say maybe two years ago, I went to one of Lexi's games. Yep. I brought Reason is my plus one.

Rees. Okay, shout out to reason. We sat courtside, of course. Yeah, got to, come on. After the game, I went with Lexi to highlight room with her teammates. They had a section shut down the whole club. Am I a basketball groupie if I drank out of their bottles? Yes.

One million. Yes. And a nasty group in my head. I was with the squad. Yeah, yeah. Drink it off. They bottles in the corner. They had highlight room shut down. And I was like, I mean, it's free. Groupie, yeah. Lexi, he's a groupie.

My first groupie is Rory. I stayed after the game. Oh, you are nasty. You was in the family room. You went to go eat. Oh, no, no. Lexi put me in the side check section. Oh, man.

Treated you like a groupie group. Yeah, I remember. Y'all made fun of him for coming to the game. I remember that episode. Of course. Alex, are you kidding me? I have to. No, no.

I had two tickets. But it was more so because, one, he didn't take me and you didn't invite me. So now I got to go to the game. Were you in L.A.? Yeah, he was in L.A.? Oh. So I had to hate on the whole situation. I was hate it.

Okay. Oh, you was just mad. And I've never been, actually I've been to, I've been to two W&B games. I've been to two games. But I've never been to a Sparks game. So I was kind of mad. Well, no, you're not there no more. So we're not, you're not allowed.

It's Seattle or nothing. It's fuck the Sparks. We don't even have a lighter in here. I don't even want to see a flame in anywhere. It's all Seattle. Fuck the Spark. It's Starbucks. It's, you know, the fish market.

That's what we on right now. McLemore deserved that guy. Exactly, as far as I'm concerned. Only on that Seattle shit. So, Lexie, you came in early and we were talking about, you know, just women hooping with guys. And you said that you recently played a little pickup game. Just to kind of see where your win was at. And you decided, like, not even halfway through, like, okay, I can't do this because the guys were just absolutely terrible.

Yeah. How often does that happen? Well, I don't play pickup with guys often anymore unless it's like an organized run, which, again, I don't do those. I do a lot of like two on two, three on three, one on one in my workouts. Okay. Like guys that come in and train with me and rebound and stuff just to like get game reps in. But yeah, that game, my trainer like, I guess these random groups of older guys just come in at nighttime and play just for fun. So I was like, I was nervous going into my Athletes Unlimited season because I hadn't played a real game since June of last year.

So I was like, because we tried on a half court. So I was like, let me see what my win looks like just in a full court. court just for shits and gigs. And it was a lot of just nonsense. So it did get to the point where I would score a few points and then like they would stop giving me the ball. Like, okay, like I'm the pro. This is about me

right now. It's not about y'all. I know I jumped into y'all's pickup game. Y'all are probably like, who is this? And then always when I start playing like they look at me and they're like that has to be fun though because the WMBA unless like, you know, you're one of the faces

of the league. You're one of the five faces of the WMBA. It has to be kind of fun walking into like an open gym, LA Fitness with all the guys at. Yep, I don't say a word. As a former, as a real athlete, a real basketball player and walking into the gym and guys don't know, they just take a hostess girl just trying to get a workout in, kind of sweat, whatever, whatever, like, does she know what a travel is?

Right. Meanwhile, you're a world champion basketball player and you just go in there and just start toasting everybody. Yeah, I definitely like put on my extra girly behavior when I go, if I do happen to play pick up, like this one thing. I like shoot a little bit. This is a whole TikTok series. We need to start hustling.

I know though. I've thought about it. I've thought about it. Especially in a shooting contest. Like maybe pick up one-on-one guys probably could beat me because just physicality. Obviously, I'm not going to argue that. But it will still have to be a guy that can really play. Yeah.

But like shooting? No chance. Never happening. You're no, not many people are going to out shoot me. Okay. That's not like a challenge. Like you're staring at me while you're saying that. Yeah, I am all.

It's from all. It's not a challenge. But see how defensive y'all get immediately? Who is challenged in this? She's not going to be challenged in it. I say, I'm the best shooter. I don't want to go shoot me. I was like,

you're talking to me? No, no, because you was like staring at me. Absolutely that too. But she was like, Lexi was staring at me like, not happening. I'm like, I didn't say anything, number one. But if you calling me out, let's go out there, make something happen.

Let's go find a hoop. You're 11 foot. No, I don't want no problems with Lexi. I don't want no problems. So Lex, in the WNBA, in the locker room, I'm sure as far as pre-game, you know, it's kind of similar to some of the guys as far as like, you know, the routine, getting ready, mentally preparing for a game because sports are sports. What is the mood like in the locker room with women? Like, what are y'all listening to?

Like, what is the vibe in the woman's locker room? It really depends on the people on the team. So, like, my first season with the sparks, so that I'll just say, like, my most recent experiences, we had, like, a few more older players. So we, like, had more, like, R&B, NECA. Agumakei, she's Nigerian. So it was like a lot of Afro beats and things like that. So like it was good vibes. And then this past year we had a whole bunch of little babies

so we're listening to sexy red and Gunna, which I love them. But like for me, I am like very R&B chill vibes for pregame. So I would just put my headphones on. But you got to get to the arena like three hours early. So like everybody has like their time slots to do their thing.

So everybody kind of is like doing their own. thing. I personally hate that. I don't need three hours to get ready for a game. Okay. No matter who you playing? No. Like even in Athletes Unlimited, like I was getting to the gym maybe hour, hour 15 before the game, like getting my mind right, get some shots up and I'm ready to go. For me, the less I think, the better I play. I'm going to go over the scout. I'm going to know the scouting report. I know all these players like the back of my hand because I'm like truly a student. Okay. But like getting to the arena at like 4.30, I hate it. Okay. We're on the course.

for like two hours before the game. Yeah. I'm like, and then you're like in a full sweat, whole workout before the game, which is amazing. Especially for me earlier in my crew when I was not playing.

Okay. When you start playing though, those two hour warmups, you're like, it kind of like takes the moment, like the... Can we just play already? Yeah, I feel you.

Okay. When does it get the fit off photo happen? Is that three hours? Before, yes. Three hours. Always laugh at all athletes that do that. You know,

you're wearing a fit to go change immediately. You know, it's funny you said that. Through a tunnel with your fit and then you're putting on a jersey. You're going through a parking garage, the loading dock, with your best clothes on, and you're going home after the game usually. Like for me, especially in L.A., like if I have a really cute outfit on, I'm probably going to go do something after the game. You want to go out.

Get some dinner or something. But like this season, I don't know, because my new teammates in Seattle, they be like putting on like really nice outfits for games. I'm trying to decide, like, what my energy is going to be this season. Like, I kind of feel like I want to just show up like I'm about to. go play basketball. Like, I don't know if I'm going to be in this tunnel fit conversation anymore. It rains 90% of the time. Yeah, and they'd be like Skyler, Nekka, Gabby.

Like, they have some really nice outfits. I remember seeing them last season. So I don't know. This might be my vibes for me. I don't want to say, like, I think that's kind of dope, though, to do, like, just the sweats. Yeah, I'm like, I don't really have. I think Asia had did that a few times last year. Yeah, she was doing like, she looked like she would.

They started dropping, like, 40 on people. I like that, though. I'm the best play in the league. I don't care. Like, I'm coming to here with flip flops, a white t-shirt and some shorts. Yeah. And I'm getting right to the business. I like that type of thing.

I feel like maybe certain games. Like if we have like a nationally televised game, maybe I'll put a cute outfit on. But I really don't think I'm going to go to Seattle and be like super focused on tunnel fits. I really want to like. You know what might be fired. Seattle, a lot of rain. You can get a lot of rain coats off. Raincoats in the summer though.

Yeah. I'm sure it rains in summer. It's not. Have you guys been to Seattle? Yeah. I love Seattle. Oh, so do I. It's like one of my favorite places to play in. I've heard so much, like, we went a couple years ago to Seattle.

And it's funny when we go to different cities, like, we sometimes hang out, but then most of the days that if we're there on the ground, like, maybe two days, we do, like, a lot of different things. And then, like, when we finally meet before the show, me and where we start talking about, like, what we did. And in Seattle, we were sitting in group chat, like, yo, I love this city. Like, this is a dope city. Like, we heard, like, oh, it's depressing. The weather, it's gloomy all the year. I was like, I don't care. This is my vibe. I loved it.

I literally walked around Seattle like a true tourist. Yeah. And it's going to be fun too because we're the only basketball, professional basketball team there. And then they have the Seahawks, obviously, but they're not in season. But like when we're playing, like we have the Rams, the Chargers, the Clippers, the Lakers. Los Angeles. Now UCLA and USC girls are really good. So like we're kind of like, we've been like bottom of the totem pole for years.

So I was excited to like kind of get the sparks back, like the top of that total. but now I'm in Seattle and I'm gonna have fun there. Have you had a chance to connect with Sue, Sue Bird? She actually is the person that got me my podcast. Really? She reached out to me. Yeah, so Deep Blue is her.

Okay, yeah. So she has her podcast with her wife. Yep. And they do it under the Deep Blue umbrella, which is with Iheart. So my teammate, Jordan Canada, old teammate, played in Seattle with Sue. So one day she texted me and was,

was like, Sue Bird asked for your number. I don't know why. And I was like, oh, I thought I was about some basketball. Text me, would you be interested in doing a women's basketball podcast? I think you would be perfect for it. And like, that's how that started. That was a year ago, a little bit over a year ago. So, yeah, she's been awesome.

And, you know, the fact that someone like Sue Bird recognized my voice and presence in the league, despite the ups and downs of it, like, it like meant the world to me. Like, it was amazing. I'm like, I got Sue Bird's a number at my phone now. I mean, yeah, that's Subur. When you talk about just basketball, she's basketball royalty, like every level she dominated the game. So that's kind of dope to connect with her, especially being a Seattle, Seattle legend she is.

So you went to high school in Atlanta. Yeah. What was your musical influence? Like, what were some of your earliest memories of, like, your favorite artists in Atlanta? In Atlanta, I mean, future, obviously. The high school I went to was predominantly Caucasian. So I was around a lot of white people. We love future.

Right. Roy, I feel like you don't count, though, with these white people that I was with in Atlanta. Like, it was like, it was like country, suburban, wealthy white people. They were awesome. They were awesome. I'm glad you don't think of me as a wealthy white man. I really appreciate that.

This is the worst backhanded compliment. You're not like one of the elites. You're not like that. I said country suburban. Are you country or suburban? No, I'm not. Okay, then. No, am I wealthy?

Oh my gosh What was a question? My music? Yeah, what were you listening to in high school? In Atlanta. Future, I mean, I know Drake's not from Atlanta, but Yeah, no, not Atlanta artists. Yeah, but that was like the first

10th grade. I remember listening to Find Your Love. Is that the song? It was on the radio, like, all the time. And now I remember that was the first song of Drake that I ever heard. God damn, you're making me feel old. And I love it. Find your love by Drake was the first Drake song you heard?

Yes, and I've been a super fan ever since. You know how crazy that is? I was 15. I get it. Yeah, I can see that. Being the first one. Man, I'm old. No best I ever had or anything that was, damn,

find your love was the first album, right? That was, yeah, that was, like, his first, like, mainstream song, I want to say. And then I went on my little Drake Deep Dive, and I've been, like, a super fan ever since. What were your parents listening to at that time? A lot of Christian music. My mom, it's funny. She likes, like, the white people Christian music.

She doesn't really like gossip. You went to that high school? Yeah. So my mom is mixed. She's half white. So my 25% comes out from time to time. I listen to a lot of Backstreet Boys in sync. My dad likes older R&B music.

My mom loves Luther Vandjah. So we have like a very different type of variety. So well-rounded music in the house? Yeah, for sure. Who are some of your teammates that you absolutely love their musical taste? Like you would absolutely let them control the music and a lot. For me personally. because my taste of music is so all over the place nobody like you don't want none of your team like

like like i said i like i have a drake song then future will come on then jess and i'll be like will come on yeah and like bernice fields will come on okay so it's like all over the place uh-huh yeah and i've kind of like stopped listening to a lot of rap music lately because it doesn't like make me happy like the energy of rap music for me just in the time of my life that i'm in right now It doesn't align. Is you more R&B right now? Yeah, and pop. That's funny because I was watching the Jordan documentary last dance.

I watched that probably like every other month just to watch it. What a time. That was so much fun. Incredible documentary. And it's always funny to me when I think they were in Utah in the finals. And Jordan is getting on the bus. He's walked through the tunnel. He had his headphones on it.

He's like jamming, right? So I'm laughing because we already know what he's listening to. but the first time watching it, I remember when somebody asked him like, yo, Mike, what you listening to? He's like, Kenny Latimore. Mike, ain't nobody ever bopped their head that hard to Kenny Latimer. This is straight R&B music.

I don't know what song from Kenny makes you do that. No, he was like doing this and like playing the air drums. And I'm like, Kenny Latimore doesn't have any music like that. But it's just funny that the most dominant player in the world is listening to like smooth R&B on his way to like the finals. Yeah, you need to change. Chill out. You need to calm down.

Like getting too high. I'm just not a super hype person anyway. So that music, like, it's fun to listen to. It's fun to, like, dance to locker room before the game because you do need to get, like, a little bit of energy. Yeah. But as far as, like, locking in and getting my mind right for a game, I need R&B or have something happy.

Like, I don't need all that cussing and killing. Not trying to drill on the court? Nah. Sexy drill, cool. Sexy drill? Cash Cobain? Mm-hmm. Okay.

Love me some cash co-com. But even his lyrics are a little like, okay. It's a little, it gets a little aggressive, but it's like the music. Yeah, I can tune out the lyrics sometimes. Just listen to the music. Yeah, yeah. When your dad was in the league, did you, like, hang in the locker room at all? Or was family completely separated at that time?

I mean, I was so little. Yeah. I don't think, I didn't spend much time with him, like, in the locker room and behind. Like, we had the family room, but I was with my mom and my siblings. I'm so fucking old, dog. I had a poster of your dad on my wall. Love that. Like I think I got the poster.

You're a basketball groupie too. Well, yeah. You and I for the Browns. But I think the, I think the poster, it was the, you know, the dunk contest when he won. The Reebok punt moment? Yeah, but it didn't. The poster didn't come with Rebos. I think I got that poster with, like, some Jordans they gave me that poster in the store.

Oh, that doesn't make sense. It didn't make sense, but I was happy to have it. But just you saying that I'm like, shit, like I'm old. Like, you had your dad on my wall. Like a baby when he was in Boston. So I don't even remember him playing in Boston. The only time I remember him playing was in Orlando at the very end of his career. Yeah.

I was a little bit older. So yeah, I got to like go to their practices. They had like little dance camps with the magic. I wanted to be a magic day. I swore I was going to be a magic dancer. Really? I still want to be a dancer. Like deep down, like I took a dance class when I was in Nashville, a hip-hop class.

And it was so much fun. Hip hop dance class in Nashville. Yeah. That sounds like she like some white suburban shit. Yep. With my white friend named Joy, yes. We went to hip hop class together and it was so fun. Did these terms like urban during it?

No, the instructor was black. So he was a black guy and he was like, he was really cool. But the way, it was so funny being in the dance class because the way he was like talking to everybody was like a coach. Okay. He was like, lock in, like, don't do this. He was like yelling at us. Locking on this two step.

Yeah, like he was like barking at us. And then he was like, just feel the music, don't dance. And then people were moving. He's like, what I say? I said, don't dance. And I was like, oh, you know, I'm serious. This is the beginner class? This is the beginner class.

I wasn't the beginner class. I'm beginning of it on TikTok if anybody wants to go look at it. Videos of you dancing and dance? In the class, yeah. Oh, my God. I have to get a thing thought. It was to, um, Travis Porter. The song.

Bring it back. Bring it back. Naturally would be Travis Porter. Yeah. Have you ever dabble? So is it podcasting or is it going to be dancing for the retirement plan? I don't know. I'm like.

podcast side quest queen right now I love actually you might be maybe teach a dance class I no I can't do that I can't dance I can't dance okay I can you at the club with them like were they what's the vibe with the WMBA players a day they was standing on the chairs

hey man twergling out of athletes is different it was like an appropriate twerk like a friendly fun twerk it wasn't like bent over they don't be like that in L.A. They don't get rowdy like that in L.A not a highlight room

Well, no, girls in the highlight room. I've seen some girls dance in highlight room. When? But that's because Christmas. Wasn't a R&B Wednesdays. I know it wasn't thin. Yeah, I think it was. Yeah.

That's the only time I've ever been to highlight room. I love. I'm going to miss that in the summer. They're moving it though. They're moving it to, I think Sean said they're moving it to Zook. It's another club opening up. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So they're moving in the last highlight room party was, I think, last week. And then they'll be doing a highlight room at Zook. I didn't know that. Yeah. So it's still, the party is still going to be around just not that. Okay, that's fine.

I'm not going to feel as bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen. End of an era. I left out a part of that story. After the game, I took her to some ratchet hookah spot. You sure did. That reason.

Hollywood hookah? No. That would have been like a Michelin Star compared to what the fuck we went to. The reason was awful. My people throwing a little something at this hookah spot. And he was talking about his people from Carson. Like, it was a hole in the wall. Like, it was the hood in there.

Yeah. And here I am. with two women like, you know, we could leave. Don't worry. I was like, can we go to highlight room, please? Roy didn't even want to go. Like, yeah. The highlight room? That's what?

That's the Roy has been in a highlight room with thousands. And it wasn't, because it wasn't Wednesday, right? I don't remember what it was. I think it was like regular night highlight room. So I would. Yeah, no. I lasted maybe 30 minutes there. Yeah, Roy was out of there.

And no, she stayed. You stayed till like 4 a.m. I stayed. You was in the mix. Well, I tell you, when we, because it was so funny, my teammate, or not my teammate, my friend came out with us on Sunday. on Sunday, it was like our rap party for Athletes Unlimited. So, like, the season's over, right?

Everyone's been, like, playing for five straight weeks, stressed out. Everyone's tired, blah, blah, blah. So this was, like, kind of like, everyone's, like, let loose moment. So, like, we was going crazy. And she was like, it's literally Sunday. Are you guys insane? I'm like, we don't pay attention to the days of the week. Do we have an off day the next day?

Yeah. We're going out. Or we're doing something. Like, we don't care what day of the week it is. We've got to figure it out. Yeah. Is it less strict in the league than it probably was at Duke? Oh, for sure.

I feel like Duke would be more strict than the league. We had a time. I had a great time at Duke in Durham. Like, we had so much fun. My teammates and I, we were always out doing something. They weren't super strict at Duke, but, like, obviously, like, everyone is watching. But Duke is such a small school. So there was only one bar that everybody went to.

It was 8'10 and up. It was called Shooters. Naturally. That's weird. It was like in this big barn. Yeah. So, like, that's where everybody was at Wednesdays and Saturdays. And if you weren't at shooters, you were at home.

Coach Kay lives on, I heard he lives on, like, in, like, the woods near campus. Like, he has this crazy house in the woods. I've never been to Coach Kay's house, but I could believe that. Yeah, like, some mansion in the Durham Forest. Yeah, like, he has, like, it's like in the forest, has this crazy. I think Dante Jones was telling me that a few years ago. Like, Coach Kay lived in this crazy house in the forest. Like, I believe it.

In trees. And then you just see Coach. Coach Kay's house. Yeah, there's like this big trail like in the back of Duke. The boys team used to like run some of their conditioning tests back there. They had like this big, my like. Zion needs to go back. Please.

What? He looks a lot healthier. He does look. He looks better now. Yeah, he does. Were you there at the same time as that team? I left when they got there. They got there.

They got, okay. Did you have much interaction with Coach Kay at all? Oh yeah. He was always in the weight room. So I always used to see him around the gym. Very nice. He was really cool. We were terrified.

He scared me at first. But like, so we have the big facility, the practice facility. So we shared the weight room with the men's team. We shared the courts. And then we shared the training room. But like, obviously we had different practice times. But we would like, our locker rooms were like right next to each other. So like we would see them and all the coaches like all the time.

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I watch those videos on YouTube with the producers when they break down how they created a beat. I love those videos. But I have no idea what any... I don't know what any of them are talking about. I mean, with AI now, you can just tell it what you want. I would love to learn how to be a producer, and I want to rap on a song.

But someone would have to write a rap for me. Chat, GBT. Yeah. Only Jello just did it. Like, you couldn't do the same thing. Were you a fan of that song? I hate that. I heard you.

I just wanted you to say it again. Were you a fan in the song? Yes, I loved it. No, you did. Lex, don't do it. You need to just accept that we like that. I root everything Ball family. Okay.

See, now that's that's totally different because I do too. Yeah. I'm, I support. No, you don't. You clearly do not because you hate the song. We got a direct email from the ball family that he's not coming on the show. I'm just saying when it comes to. Really?

I just feel like it's certain things we just should stay out of. Just stay out of it. I support. I think LeVar Ball is, he should have a statute in California. I think the Ball family. I think that what they represent hard work and all of that, getting their family. to a certain level.

Yeah. I think that's great. I salute that. When they were doing the sneakers, I thought that was a bold move. I respected the move. Yeah. I think they just weren't ready for that,

you know, that monster of the sneaker industry. Right. But that's okay. I love the fact that they tried it. But now when you start talking about rapping and making music, why do you think that song went crazy like that?

Like what? Because anything, because you're more tapped into music than I am. For me, like, when things go viral, I try to like deep, deep dive into like what's going on. Like, that's a sociologist in me that's what I went to school for? What is going on the world that makes this particular moment, like, go crazy? See, I think people don't understand.

I think people don't understand of just having a, like, a viral moment. If we understood exactly how many people just are not engaged in our world and our algorithm on social media, like, you would realize that, like, in the grand scheme of the world, that record is not what you think it is just because of what you follow on your social media. It's not that. So I'm just listening to it, like, just through. music of it. And I'm like, first of all, he's rapping like he's from the South. He's from Chino Hills, California. This sounds like early cash money. Yeah. Hot boys. Like, so that's why I say chat, GBT, because to me, it feels like somebody just went to the studio and said,

let's try to get as close to hot boys, cash money era as we possibly can. And I heard it. I'm just like, it just doesn't feel, it doesn't feel like an authentic real song to me at all. No, it definitely felt like a viral moment type situation. And it worked. But now he had been on... He performed there, right? Terrible. Isn't he going to, like, Coachella or something now, too?

Or some festival? See? All right. Let me return. Rolling loud. There it is. But, he'll fit in at Rolling Loud, for sure, with shitty performers. I've never been to Rolling Loud or Coachella.

I respect what Rolling Loud has done. And, like, I would go if we were interviewing people, but it's just too overwhelming of young people on drugs. Too many people. And I would... My social anxiety. I would have a panic attack. It's too much going on. I would just be mad all the time.

I can't believe people stand that close to other people in the heat, outdoors. Everybody's on drugs. Get there at 10 a.m. Where you go to the bathroom at? On yourself. You just let it happen. Disgusting. There's nothing about a music festival that is appealing to me.

It's probably one of the most overrated experiences ever. Yeah, that's what I've heard. I mean, some festivals aren't, but that one in particular, I think, is just too. overwhelmed. I think it's the only excuse that 16 year old white kids can take Molly without their parents knowing and use the N-word all in one event. Yeah, a couple of all the buses.

Everything that they've wanted to do, they can stream with impunity along. And no one will say it. Not a real place. No, that seems insane. But Tweaker, this was as an hour ago, via Billboard, has made over 600 grand in just streaming. It's only been a few weeks.

See, that's amazing. He's going to recoup that deal. That's amazing. That's crazy. And that's without the performances. So now you are, you're Jellon, what direction are you now going with your music? Are you leaning into this or you're like going to try and make like normal music? I think that's Nippity. What is normal music?

I don't know. In factory voice. Duff. Like is he going to try and embody this? Of course. The early 2000s era. Like he's just going to lean into that. With a red band an anatoid.

Yeah. With baggies. Yeah. shirt, you gotta lean all the way in, right? So he just got to... Malibu's Most Wanted, yeah. Not Malibu's most wanted. He's black. It feels like it. It feels like it.

He's not about a white kid. He rad had like some parts, man. Be rad. I remember about to sneak and watch that movie. My mom would let me watch that movie. Malibu's Most Wanted? Wait, what in the movies? Why you couldn't watch that?

There was a lot of things I couldn't watch growing up. You acted like it was casino or something. I couldn't watch that. I couldn't watch none of the shows on MTV. Like Next, Room Raiders. Five. Classic show. Classes.

You just named some classics just now. I just snuck and watched all the shows on MTV. So you weren't a really strict household? It was like, yes. It was pretty strict. Yeah, it was pretty strict. But it was like, I never, like, needed anything.

And then everything that I got, like, had, like, an achievement attached to it. So, like, oh, you want to go hang out with your friends? You have to have these grades. Oh, you want a car. You need to do this. So, like, to get my car, I got my first car, my sophomore year of college.

But the only way I got the car was if I finished my senior year was straight A's and I committed to a top 25 program. I respected. That's good. That's how I got the car. And I mean, it clearly worked. You went to the WMBA. Yeah.

Your parents' strategy would work out. Yeah. So like they program my mind like just my life is just a never-ending checklist. And if I do something, then I'm going to go reward myself. So do you do that now as an adult? That's what I did this morning. So I finished Athletes Unlimited. I finished top 10.

I went about a Van Cleef necklace for myself this morning. I like that. Listen, this is why I made her pay for the bottles. I like that. I like that. You got a little treat. Yeah, it's like a little bit of Van Cleef. Yeah.

Did you feel like you were pressured in the basketball or was that something? Honestly, my dad did not, was he was not very impressed by me when I was a kid. He was like, are you sure? That was more. Like, you were charged. Are you short? You are terrible. I was like, yes, Dad, I want to just hang out with you and be in the gym with you.

And then I got a little older, and the work ethic was there, and the athleticism wasn't quite there yet. So that's why he created me to be a really good shooter, because he was like, if you grow a little bit, if you don't grow, if you get faster, you don't get faster, you're going to be able to shoot. Or you're going to be fine. But then I ended up leaning out a little bit. I got taller. I have long arms, and the work ethic was already there. So once I got eighth, ninth grade, we were like, okay, like, this is something I did. I want to do. He coached in the WMBA for a few years. And that's the first time I was up close

and personal with the W. And I was like, oh, no, this is what I want to do. Like, this is my dream to be a WNBA player. Who was your favorite player growing up? So he coached the Orlando Miracle, which no longer exists. Yeah. They had a point guard. Her name was Shannon Johnson, but her nickname was Peewee. And she was my favorite player growing up. And then Christy Tolliver was my next favorite player. She went to Maryland. She's the reason why I went to Maryland. We were teammates for a year in L.A., which was ridiculous. And I was like, yeah. Yeah, like, they were on my podcast.

But, yeah, no, a lot of shooters, a lot of point guards are people that I enjoy watching and model my game after. Are you a better shooter than your dad now? Yes, I am. You said that with con. Like, you didn't even think about it. Well, I told you. There's not very many people that can out shoot me.

I'm just saying, but your dad is a pro ball player, too. So it's kind of like, you know, it's like, all right. He got a bad hit now. He got a... Oh, see, now? Yeah. He's a little older. Yeah.

You catch him on the tail and all right. Exactly. When was the first time you beat him in one-on-one? Never. Yeah, see? We played full-core one-on-one once when I was a little younger, and I could have beat him, and I missed my layup, and I freaked out because I was a kid. Like, and then he went and scored. And we never played again after that.

Hey, do you ever dunk on you? Probably, but probably, like, fun. Not, like, to demoralize the top. Yeah. I do that to Amara now with my nerve who. You have to. Now that she can stand and walk. It builds character.

Definitely jumping over. Waiting for your child to stand so you can dunk on them is crazy. Yeah. That's hilarious. So you had your career high against Phoenix a few years ago. What were you listening to before that game? What was I listening to? You know what's crazy?

That was right when I was really sick. So I don't know if I was even listening to anything. I was, like, struggling to be prepared for that game, like, physically. So the fact. that I had the game that I had that at that time, the way I was feeling, was insane. So I don't even think I was listening to music. I think I was just trying to, like, get through. Really?

Get through the day. Wow. The flu game, aka. Hungover, gave us... No, it was, yeah. And, like, probably, like, two weeks after that was when I was out for the season. So battling through, pushing through. How to go out on a high note, at least.

I was like, I don't know what's going on. Yeah. Let it go. I was like, I don't know what's going on. I don't know if I'm going to be able to play. again, so let me at least play until I physically can't, and that's actually what happened. But in hindsight, that was not a very smart thing to do.

Yeah. For me. Which one of your teammates can you remember? I know you say you wear your headphones a lot when you're around your teammates, but from what you can remember, who has the worst taste of music? They would probably say me. Really? As amazing as I love,

like, as amazing as my playlist is to me, if I were to play in the locker room, they'd be like, turn this shit off. Okay. So I'm going to take that. You have the worst tasting I'm going to say that. I'm listening to Backstreet Boys over Sexy Red any day.

So am I. And it's not even close. Yeah, I think I'm with you on that. Yeah, but I mean, shout out of Sexy Red. Maybe Insincere Red. Definitely insincerey Red. In sync or Backstreet? I just went to Justin Tric concert a few weeks ago.

So you're more of an in sync girl? Oh, yeah. But I'm also going to go watch the Backstreet Boys in Vegas. Okay. In their residency. Okay. I'm in there. Something tells me your favorite JT album is the Man in the Woods one.

Was that his most recent one? That whatever that, Whatever the worst one was for suburban white wealthy people that I was like when he stopped working with Timlin. Go back. Yeah. Go back to Timberland days. And that's really what he leaned into in his tour.

I was very happy with his set list because I was a little concerned with his recent releases. I was like, what kind of music are we going to hear? Yeah. He was with the old reliables. He was smart. When you were in Vegas, do you ever go to any residencies? No. But I went to Usher when he went on tour.

So he came to L.A., so I got to see Usher. Incredible show. Yeah. It was good. But it was like compared to the residency, it kind of was like, here, damn. You're like, y'all want to see this here. Cool. Yeah.

Y'all didn't come to Vegas. I'll come to your school. Right. So I do wish I went to Vegas. But yeah, I'm going to that Backstreet Boys one. And it's in the sphere, I think. I've never been in. So, wait, they have a residency now?

They just announced it. Oh, yeah, they have, the Backstew Boys have a residency in the sphere? I think so, yeah. I think it's in the fear. That is crazy. Yeah. They just announced it. Yeah, I got to go see that.

I'm in there. I would have to go see that. have to see that. Being on Gil's Arena, how has it prepared you for your... For fuck shit? Well, yeah, for podcasting. Like, how is it with the guys sitting down every week? I mean, my, like, journey within Gil's has been so funny because, you know, we have the

live chat. So I'm getting, like, active feedback on my presence in real time. So Gil looks at the chat during the show. So I don't know if people, like, realize that. like he says things on purpose because he's reading the chat. So it's like he... He gets ideas and questions.

Yeah, exactly. I like that though. He reads the chat Josiah. They're all reading the chat in real time. Okay. I stopped reading the chat. I stopped reading the comments because men are mean.

But when I first got on the show, they hated me. Like, hated my guts. I mean... Who is this girl? Men typically. Like, who is she? Like, she's a player?

Like, we didn't know, da-da-da-da. And we had a shootout. Mm-hmm. And I beat everybody. With Gil, you have to be specific. Yeah. We had a basketball shootout. There you go.

Yeah. He dabbles in a little bit of both. Like, gill is, yeah. We had to be clear. That's funny as though. Yeah. We had a basketball shootout and I beat all the guys. I made it the farthest.

Okay. And then after that, the chat was like, we love Lexie. She's actually good at basketball. We don't care that she's been in the NBA for six years. She beat a bunch of retired NBA players and mid-range jump shots. I'm not here to defend the insult. chat, but beating Gilbert at a shootout is a, that's a staff, because Gil could shoot. And I'm like, they had higher lowers on the game. I'm like, y'all think that, y'all really

think Gil is going to go 10 for 25? Like, I mean, Gilbert Arenas is a, I mean, if you My over, under was low. It was so disrespectful. They were like, left. Mine was like less than 50%. Really? Yeah. I was like, y'all are rude. Yeah. So I made it to like the, almost the final round and then two of, two of other people like went for the last round. But. It was fun, but yeah, I literally won the chat over in the shooting game. Just just want to do. They just want to see that you know what you're doing there. Like all these videos of me, all these accolades.

Means nothing. They were like, fuck that. But you outshot a bunch of 40-year-old retire NBA guys. You're her. Yeah. You're her. You're her now. We respect to you.

But it's been fun and being around those guys has just been amazing. Who has the worst music take on the show? We don't even talk. about music that much. Or taste. Or taste. I don't know. I don't really know the music that they all listen to, honestly. But I remember when the Kendrick Drake stuff was going on, they all had like a lot of opinions about that. And ultimately we were like, we play sports. We don't care about rap beef. So you don't know ball. Y'all don't know music. Yeah. It's one of the same. Right. Do you ever get worried sitting next to Gil? He's one of my favorite personalities. Like,

even before he started podcasting, anything he would do on the internet was the full. ridiculous in the world anytime there was an interview anytime he just spoke i'm stopping what i'm doing to see yeah gil is about to do especially if it has to do with nick young those two together have been hilarious when they brought nick on i was like is he just going to be on sometimes but he sat on that couch the first time i was there when he was there i was like i want to here every day they're back and forth their banter their stories like it has like changed like the cadence of the show i think having them two on i thought when i became a father i'd be a little more with certain things, I still watch the clips of Gil abusing Nick Young's kids.

And I still think it's the fun thing on fucking asses. The way they talk about playing the kids, Madden video games, I'm like, do y'all ever grow up? No. Why? They don't. Never. Don't grow up. Like, I'm just with a bunch of grown-ass kids all the time.

I would say Kenyon is probably the only one that is not a grown-ass kid. Kenya seems to be the most. Me and Kenyan are here. Yeah. That's why we always sit next to each other. Like, here they go. Yeah. Yeah.

Kenyon ain't for the he ain't fun a lot of games. He ain't got a lot of play play in them. I was like, Kenyon ain't, if you know him from playing, no. No, never did. Yeah, never did. They've been great. It's been really fun. What's been the wildest off mic take in pre-production or when you guys rap?

It's okay to snitch. I'm trying to think. To be honest, I don't, I'm not really in any of like those conversations in pre-production. I'm like their little like angel baby. So like they keep me out of like all the nonsense. Like they have a group chat. I'm not in it. I don't want to be in it.

I just show up. I'm myself and I leave. And I think that's what makes our chemistry so good. It's like I literally just like drop in. I drop out. Like when they go to games, when they go to All-Star, like I don't go. When they talk about Dreya, yeah, stay out of it. When they have the strip club conversations on the couch, I'm just like.

Fly on the wall. They gave me a bullhorn. That's my contribution to those conversations. A bullhorn? All right, too much. Not too much. I do think it would be great content for you to go to the strip club with Gil. Oh, my God.

I would tune in. Did you guys see the conversation that they had about competing with other men for bottles? What do y'all think about that? I think he was saying like, that's what, can you say? It's a pretty gay thing. That's what Kenyon said. But Gil was on that, he was dying on that hill. Like, I go to the club to make everybody else in the club look broke and I don't care what else is going on.

So if he buys 10 bottles, I'm buying 20 bottles. If he bought 30 bottles, I'm buying 40 bottles. The only one that wins is the club owner. Yeah. Right. He's the only one rooting for the party. He was like, y'all are losers. He was like, you guys are all losers.

And I was like, I don't buy bottles in the club, so I don't have anything to contribute. I do. I mean, for athletes, especially somebody. But it's hilarious because I remember a story Gil was saying about he'd go to the strip club, spend all this money, and then the next day report his card stolen. And then it ends up getting all the money back. I thought that was incredible for him to say that. But, I mean, you know, as athletes, it is a, it's a lot of ego.

Yeah. with athletes, especially if, you know, we're playing in the city and, let's say, LeBron and the Lakers come to town. And then they're in the club. And it's like, okay, they're visiting, but we're in the city every week. Like, if the Lakers are in the club and, you know, we're in the club as well, I could see how it's like, yeah, y'all not going to come to our city and just go crazy, turn it upside down and fly out tomorrow. Like, nah, we're like, we got, we got to make sure we're. So I understand it from an athlete competitor. That's still really gay to me.

No, I get it. But it's like, it's like, it's an ego thing. It's 1 million percent attached to a man's ego. The first time I personally experienced that is the year UNC Boys Basketball won the championship, and they came to shooters to celebrate. Oh, man. So obviously, our men's team were like, what the hell are y'all doing here? We were like, woo, go to UNC.

We was partying. We just wanted to party. We just wanted to party. We don't care. We don't care. That might be the headline right here. While you was at Duke, you were saying, go UNC. We was partying.

Congratulations, guys. where to party at. Y'all in Durham. They pulled up to Durham. We didn't invite them. They showed up. That's not even male ego. I'm actually surprised that they let them inside.

Yeah, I was about to say, how did they even let that happen? I don't know because they won. And nothing popped off. It wasn't know. Because that's a, the UNC Duke is a real, like, rival. No, literally. They wouldn't even let the Duke guys go to Chapel Hill.

That makes sense. It was like a rule. Yeah. But the UNC guys was always in Durham at shooters. So shooters. Shooters was like a club owner was like we don't give a free for all. Like I told you 18 and up. So like everybody was in there.

To me what it sounds like Duke's pussy. Yeah. That's just what it sounds like. Yeah. I don't know if we wouldn't. I remember that because we were like, what are y'all doing here? Like go back to Chapel Hill. But like Chapel Hill was like definitely more, I wouldn't say upscale, but they're like more strict because they had like actual bars and clubs and restaurants in Chapel Hill.

And then we just had our barn. Shooters is the barn. A dirty ass place. But to leave Chapel Hill and like Durham is not hood per se but there's some nasty spots in Durham. Oh yeah, Duke is like parked in the middle of the hood. I had no idea. Just dropped right in the middle. Who are your, give me your top five players whose dad played in the NBA.

Ooh, can I think of five? Well, you know who the number one is obviously. You, of course. Oh, is it men and women? Yeah, it can be. Okay, yeah, but me. No, Steph Curry, I think, won. No.

Over Kobe? Kobe's dad played in the NBA? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, then Kobe, Steph. I'll put Clay. Does Clay Thompson's dad playing the NBA? I'll put Clay up there.

I didn't even know that. Who else had a dad in the league? I'll help you out with Duke alumni, Austin. Yeah. He's now podcasting. Yeah. I wish she played. I wish she was able to play.

I remember him in high school because he went to Winter Park. Austin was the number one playing in age. I think high school, yeah. He might have the best mixtape, high school mixtape ever. He's one of your cult, Brandon, Jennings. His high school mixtape is one of the legendary high school backstage. Remember that I was like everybody got him, but everybody got one now. So it's not the same.

You had to be like one of them ones to get a mixtape now. Everybody got a damn. There's a camera right here. Video. Yeah, everyone got one. That was like a. But Austin's, Austin. Austin Rivers, his high school

mixtape, I remember watching it. Crazy. And I was like, damn, like, he's a problem for a moment. Branden's is probably the first one I remember when I was in high school. He's probably the first one that kind of like everybody was like, that was like, as far as I can remember,

first high school mixtape where everybody saw it and was like, that's great. That tape is incredible. Yeah, that was nuts. The fifth one, I'm going to say Brony. Okay. I love Brony. I don't know why everyone.

Got smoked with Bronny, but... You love Bronny for what? Because... Like, as a human? I just love that he's been able to just be successful. You think he was deserving of the 55th pick? Yeah, it was a 55th pick. And that's where I stands.

Who else? Who would have you had? Who did you... What other 55th pick in the history of NBA has made a team money? I am all the way with Nepo Babies. I think it's amazing. The owners are doing it. Why can't Bron?

but he is not the 55th thing. That was a Nepo pick. It was. I'm fine with it. Good. Yes, he was a nepo pick. We know that. But I'm not.

Now, if the Lakers would have had this third pick and they picked Bronny down and like, all right, fan. That's a little different. Like, we'll be doing it. Like, we had a chance to go get, you know what I'm saying? Like maybe somebody who's going to be a franchise play. 505 is literally almost not drafted.

Exactly. So. So why not? Yeah, no, he shouldn't have been drafted. No. And, and here's the other reason why to me that pick doesn't really matter. They ended up getting Luca in the same year.

Right. Good karma. You see how life works? Like it doesn't even. It don't matter who. First of all the time, that's only because Luka was on the way. Like who.

All time they knew Luca was coming. Yeah. Like, it doesn't matter who you pick at 50. I don't know. We know. Wait, Bronny was the chess piece for Lucas? Yep. I don't know.

Needle mover. All I'm saying is, no, you do know. I don't know. What I'm saying is it doesn't matter who they did not draft at 55. They have Luca now. They have Luca now. They have Luca.

doesn't matter who the 55th pick is. I mean, according to y'all, they didn't need them, though, because they got Brownie. No, no, no, no, I didn't say that. No, is that right? No, no, I think the Luca pick was legendary. We needed that. But, yeah, now the 55th pick

really doesn't matter when you get Luca in the same year. Doesn't fucking matter. Like, but why, again, why not let Brony and Bronny play together? They were making history. It was a moment. They were making money. It was, they dragged it.

Not Brony and Braun. I think that they have handled it well, but I think the media dragged it. I think they all dragged it. I think they all dragged it. Yeah, Nike had to make sure they got that moment on tape. That's the documentary. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, absolutely. Definitely going on the documentary. Having the Griffey's court side and that whole thing. It was a Nike documentary. And listen, I don't want to sound like a hater because I think what Brony is doing is way better than what Michael Jordan's son is doing. So I just. Recently. When it comes to.

How old is Michael Jordan's son right now acting a damn fool? He has 30 something, yeah. Right. Yeah. And y'all mad at Brony because he played with his dad. in the NBA. I think the trophy room collection is incredible. He had such promise in Space Jam.

I thought he was going places. Like, he found the shorts. He did everything right. He didn't even snitch on the Looney Tunes. It didn't tell his mom, nothing. Sure did it. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people.

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Music prediction? Yeah. Oh, gosh. Like, who are some of the artists you're looking forward to hearing their albums? Well, Drake, I think Drake has started his bounce back recovery. How do you feel about the album? Some sexy songs for you. I love it. Yeah, okay.

Anything Drake puts out, I love you. Everybody knows that about me. Did you feel disrespected as a woman when you were listening to the songs? Drake is like, he's just different. I just enjoy his music. I didn't initially like the album that much first listen, but after I listened to it a few more times, it grew on me, which Drake albums, that's typically how people consume Drake.

They hate it. And then they're like, yeah, it's not that bad. And then now everybody's singing. Especially coming out of last year, like, I think people were listening to this with more of a critical ear. Yeah, it was like odd. Let's see. I'm going to go, I'm going to shift to my pop side, you know, in sync, backseat boys, all of them, Christiana Alera. I feel like maybe a Britney Spears reemergence might happen

somewhere. I imagine they would have gone to. I mean, she, a resurgence will happen. Yeah, I don't know. In what way? Yeah, I don't know in what way. Yeah, Brittany popped out every now and then. She says hello to us.

Because Christianaicular looks amazing, is performing again. And one of the best voices of all time. Yeah, Justin Timberlake, in sync, back street boys. are all coming out the woodwork. So I feel like this little, that whatever era you would call that, they're all kind of like creeping back. I mean,

I love. I hope Brittany gets to a good mental space where she's able to do that. I read her book. It was really sad. Yeah. I hope that she's able to like, yeah,

the stuff that she went through with her, you know, finances, business, and her dad and everything, control and everything. That was great.

It was really sad. I agree with y'all. But is it finally okay to say maybe her dad had a point? I mean, I see why you say that because obviously the videos Britney's been posting people kind of question

her mental health and things like that but I'm also on the side of I think somewhere in there maybe Britney's playing into that yeah I don't I mean listening to the book because we don't hear nothing about Britney

like in real life like if right now something breaks like like Britney Spears was here and did that we don't hear it I mean the last thing we heard about Brittany was when Wemby's people smacked her in Vegas. Oh, yeah.

That was ridiculous. The security guard, yeah. Yeah, that was insane. I was like, this is how we're doing British Spears right now. Wow. Listening to the book, it was like, it broke my heart. It was sad because she was thrown into this lifestyle so young and so early, and people just were constantly taking advantage of her over and over and over.

But it got to a point, like me and my best friend, we listened to it on audiobook together. Like, we were on a road trip kind of going to Palm Springs one day. We were like, let's just listen to the Britney Spears. At some point, we had to stop sometimes and be like, girl you're like grown now like you're gonna keep letting people mistreat you and use and abuse you but again like she didn't know anything else

he really had no friends her family was trash so I'm just like was I don't really know how I didn't really have an opinion after because I was like I'm a little bit more confused after listening to the book

I didn't like really understand her at all because she's still obviously not okay the situation is still really messed up so I'm like they let this book come out I've made everybody on her opposing side look crazy, but she's still in the same situation she's in. So I'm like, where do you want us to go from here to, like, support Britney Spears

or, like, help her? Because I'm like, okay, she released the book and everyone was like, okay. Yeah. Cool. Was it a Netflix stock or Hulu? It was maybe during the pandemic? I think it was Hulu.

That was a very, very sad. But it's like they've been, like, putting all these things out there for, like, help her and everyone's just kind of like, We're going to just stay away from that And I don't know why. We should go to the, we should go to the sphere, the backstreet voice concert together.

Oh my God, that was so fun. Heartbeat. I just want to see Lexi like go crazy over like her childhood. But you have to sing along with us. Like you can't 100%. We'll be hitting every note. You can't just be sitting looking cool.

Wait, so I met AJ at a Rams game. I actually have a picture with him. I'm going to hit him up. Be like, can we go backstage? Can we meet y'all? Like, he was so cool. But I like, I freaked the fuck out when I saw him at the game. I was like, oh my God, it's a back street boy.

And he was like, yeah, it's me. Yeah, you deserve to act like that. Act just like that. This is how you deserve to act. Yeah, if you're a backstreet boy, that's how you act. He was so cool. He was so nice. So, yeah, I told him.

I already hit him up. I said, I'm pulling up to the. Yeah, we got to see that. For sure. I ran it randomly saw Joey Fatone in Brooklyn like two years ago. They're just walking. I was that Joey Fatone? Joey in Brooklyn.

Where else with Joey Faton be? He has to be in Brooklyn. Well, he's from Brooklyn. If you get in the background of Joey Faton, how the fuck did he end up in the group? He's from like Bensonhurst, Brooklyn. It's like Pop's in the mob or some shit. There's a documentary on Netflix called Dirty Pop, I think.

And it's about like their manager. And they kind of like touch on how he like. He was like a boy band like factory. Just this one dude. Yeah, the fat guy. Yeah. lost that doc. But didn't he end up being like a creepy pedophile or some shit too?

No, he just like, he was like running like a boy band Ponzi scheme. That's what it was. Yeah. It was crazy. He was taking a lot of money. Yeah. And like just moving it around.

I see how you thought that that ended in pedophilia. That's kind of how they framed it. And then at the end it was like he just was. Yeah. He's just was whatever. Grimmy do. Yeah. Yeah.

But they said he was like one of the nicest guys ever. But he just like couldn't get out of his own way when it came to like stealing money from people. And like look at the groups. Like you didn't need to steal money. No. They were generating hundreds of millions of dollars in here. So much money was coming in and you did not have to play that.

You did not have to do that. Ridiculous. Why do we think boy bands just died? I asked myself that all the time. Like I don't, I've always wondered why. Everyone thinks everything is gay now. That's why. No, because I feel like these young kids are way gayer than we were.

Like even the goons are, it's like gay goons. I saw a video yesterday on Twitter of a group of boys walk up to two girls with balloons and pop them walk up to the girls pop them and told the girl playing the balloon challenge but like walked up on the girls and played the game

and the girls were like the girls weren't even playing the girls were like what are you doing and they just basically were like I don't like your shoes your hair is ugly da da da da da and it was on camera like that's loser behavior people are so mean walked up to girls for content they just walked up and just started

popping their balloons and the girls were like What the hell are y'all doing? I mean, to be fair, as kids, we did some mean things. We said some mean things to girls growing up. Like, we didn't have balloons to pop. That's because we didn't have like any type of game. Like, that was your way of flirting when you were young. Yeah, we didn't know how to flirt.

Yeah. Be mean to the girl. Like say something, you know, hurtful and didn't walk away. Yeah. Then y'all didn't record it and post the internet. Yeah, no, no. We didn't. That's the, we didn't make content of it.

Yo, my friends pointed out like when I was. I don't know, maybe like 13 or 14. My friends pointed out something that I'll never get over. Anytime I was like trying to talk to a girl, I would start like stretching. Like I didn't know what to do. So like, I just be like sitting there stretching and put my leg up and they let it happen

and didn't say shit only to amongst themselves. And then by like the fourth time, they were like, yo, I was your calisthenics. bro. Like, I was mortified and in my head for the rest of high school. Just any time I was speaking to a girl. That's such a nervous thing to do. Like, I didn't know what to do.

Yeah, absolutely. That's just nerves. Like, walking back and forth. Yeah. You start feeling like the anxiety. That was like the scariest thing in the world when you were going through puberty to talk to a girl. I will say. When I do get approached in person by men, I'm always so nice to them because it's not easy.

How do guys approach you? Like, what do they say when they, like, approach you? Um, it depends. Because it has to be a little intimidating. It depends on the setting. Like, even like, I'll say my most recent encounter with a very, he was very sweet. But it was after one of our games and we do autograph sessions. Like, there's like a line of people when you do autographs.

And we walk down and everybody gets an autograph. So wait. All right, good. I'm not going to cut me. So, yeah. Well, this is actually a story about me. Okay. We were like, we had like a separate area for like season ticket holders to do pictures or whatever.

It was me and another player And we were just standing there And this guy like walks up It's like a gate He's not a season ticket holder So he's just walking up As for the autograph, whatever, da-da-da-da And then he like says

He's like oh I got an event coming up I want you to like come I thought he was like talking like a party Or something to bring all the girls to whatever It was like a speaking engagement And I was like Oh that's cool When is it

It was like weeks from that day I'm not going to be Nashville anymore Okay I'll fly you Unless hip hop class Yeah You got a class Unless I have a hip hop class to get to.

Oh, I'll fly you to the event. I was like, to your speaking engagement? I was like, uh-huh. Was he trying to book you, like pay you for the speaker? No, but then I was like, um, no, I said, I'm going to be busy at that time. But like, good luck. I hope it goes really good. And then he was like, oh, yeah, like, well, can I get your number?

And I was like, no, sorry. And that was it. See, that's, that's terrible. He shot a shot. You're supposed to give him the burner at least. I don't even have a burner. I have one phone. One phone. One phone number.

What's your Facebook? Because even now, because I even thought about this, because sometimes giving your number is the better choice. Because if you give them your Instagram, now they can just keep up with you. Like with the phone number, I can just like block you. Or just not reply. Or not reply.

But obviously they will know who I am at some point and they can follow me on their own. But me being like, oh, here's my gram. Now they're going to like, you're going to start keeping tabs and see what I'm doing. And I'm like, yeah, maybe y'all should just give. So I just started giving my phone number out more. Do y'all have like as a as a as a as a day player like I think you're about to ask

question I was going to ask. Do you y'all like a groupies? Is it like a like is it a thing for y'all like y'all like y'all be laughing in a locker room like like girl this dude he keep coming to the game trying to like get my attention. Honestly I don't know because that thing that's the thing about the WNBA like obviously we have like all different like sexuality's and preferences and da da da. NBA too. It's like very. I don't want you to just make that. I don't want you to make that They'll be NBA exclusive. The NBA does. But you know how like when everyone's like in the industry like, oh, it's the same

girls. Like, yeah, we don't have, we don't have that. Yeah. You're not going to see the same dudes. I kept out of us. I think so, man. I think y'all just didn't peep them yet. I think they out there.

No, it's just like, like you said, it's an ego thing. Like, women, like, we can put ourselves out there and like just go hang out. Okay, do you, do, is it a conversation amongst them in W&BA players that that y'all kind of wish that you had like guys that were like coming to the games trying to, like, talk to y'all. Oh, ew. So how does that work? Like, y'all don't want guys to, like, come to the games and, like, flirt and be fans.

I mean, I have fun, but, like, stay over there. I mean, some girls might like it. I personally would enjoy it, like, in the confines of a basketball game. And, yeah, if you like, it was, like, some just fine dudes on the baseline. Like, oh, I would love that. But, like, that's it. Yeah, it was just stating on the baseline. Don't say nothing.

Like, I will say, like, in a game in Nashville, the Titans are there. I think, like, four. crazy that game. How many jumpers you took? I don't remember. But I like, I peeped. Like, there was like four of them on a baseline. I peeped them. I was like, who are these for? You kept going crazy on the court because there's dudes. Yeah, let's see front. She kept calling for the screen on the left side of the floor. Like, yo, set the screen over here. But then that was it. Like, I was like, oh, that's nice that they're here.

Yeah. Nice to look at during the game. And she was lights out when I was there. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, okay. We got our asses beat that. Yeah. Y'all got smoke. Y'all got smoke. I was, I was, I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was not the issue. Who did you I don't remember I don't remember either you had like

three or four threes though yeah you was cooking just the rest of the team wasn't yeah we we that is so funny man I thought that

I kind of figured that women would like kind of want like guys I feel like the young MAs of the league definitely run through them like I think they got them

yeah that probably yeah that is it's more of a they have their like I think they wear the strap under the shorts yeah they go to the game

with the strap on nothing about that again yeah I get it. I mean, it checks out. It kind of makes sense. I get it. The All-Star Weekend, last year for the three-point shootout, they had Steph and Sabrina.

Sabrina shooting. Do you think that that's something that they should implement moving forward into All-Star Weekend having a W-NBA player versus an NBA player? Yeah, I think it was fun. It was fun to watch. Steph is just the wrong guy to go against. But she was close. Like that was like the best outcome we could have had was her being close. Do we think Steph went full throttle though?

I mean like I said, that was like the best outcome that we could have had. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because if Sabrina ended up winning, just the discourse would have been insufferable. The fact that she like almost won, but it was still very impressive.

Yeah. Like that was like best case scenario. Yeah. So I don't know if like that's just like a one time moment and we just got to like remember that as being a good moment. if they do move forward with it, I think they should alternate. So like one year they'll do it, NBA All-Star

and then not do it WNBA All-Star. And then the next year they'll do it WNBA All-Star and not an NBA All-Star. Okay, that'd be cool. Just alternate it if they really give a fuck about, you know, increasing viewership and partnership between the W&MBA. Like, they need to be like very intentional

with how they do it. What do you think the WMBA is missing as far as, I don't want to say marketing per se, but getting more eyes on the league? Yeah, I think, and I think they did a better, job this past year, especially with this rookie class. Oh, absolutely.

They're, like, showing more of us and more of our personalities are able to shine through on the court, off the court, with our marketing stuff, our brand deals. It's not really frowned upon anymore because I remember when I first got into the league, I've always loved social media. I've always loved taking pictures. And it was, like, a problem when I got into the league. She's not focused. She doesn't care about basketball.

She cares about it's social media and take the pictures out of the pool and all this weird stuff. It takes one second and take a photo. Literally. And one second to post it. And one second to post it. Like, it was ridiculous. I had a YouTube channel that they made fun of when I came in.

Like, it was just a lot. So kind of just letting players be who they are, I think, has been the biggest change. And then, yeah, allowing these rookies that come in with all this college energy and hype, they have to be on the, they have to be on the floor. So this is obviously, that was like the most hype of rookie class has ever had. But we've had very talented rookie class. in the past, but, like, you get to your team and you ride on the bench and now your college fans are now tapped back into the college because they don't know where you are and where you play and you jet off overseas.

Now it's, like, all momentum you had is gone. Yeah. So I think now we're bridging that gap between, like, college fandom to the pros. And I think that's been, like, the missing link, I think. So I think this year was a really good example of. I think Caitlin and, you know, Angel Reese coming in together. together, everything that happened, obviously, between them on the collegiate level. Yeah.

And then coming into the WNBA together, I think a lot of that parlayed over into the league. I thought it was great for the league. For sure. How did you feel about the criticism, if you felt like it was criticism that Caitlin Clark was receiving throughout the season? You know, a lot of people were saying that teams were kind of targeting her and kind of like, you know, being more physical with her. Yeah. I thought it was a sign of. respect. I think that they only do that when they respect you as a player and know that you're a threat

on the floor. Absolutely. But how did you feel like just playing and then looking at it? Yeah. I mean, when I don't know when I, when we played her, she was like number one on the scouting report. Like, you're not going to deny how talented she is. And I think people did underrate like her overall playmaking ability. And they just hyper-focused on her scoring, which she's a very elite score. But the way she makes everybody around her better is like the best part of her game. Like she's literally the head of the snake. So I think that everybody received a lot of weird criticism this year. I only played 14 games.

So like I kind of, and I wasn't really doing much because I was still kind of sick. So I was like kind of, I kind of avoided all of that weird discourse going on because I wasn't playing. So I really just was watching it and looking at it from a very like objective point of view because I was kind of out of it. I think now that we just have more eyes, it just comes with more criticisms from people that don't know what they're talking. about. We see it on other and other leagues with other athletes. So I think us as Debbie players just have to like, we have to ignore it. We have to rise above it. And that's easier said than done. But that's what happens when you have more eyes. You have more viewers. You have more opinions. People are betting on our games. And like that's a whole different

conversation of how that has shifted sports culture and stuff. So I think everybody handled it well, though, because I think everybody elevated their level of play. And we retained, you know, a lot of those new fans. And I know a lot of players now. are getting their flowers and they have a new fan bases that they didn't have prior to this rookie class because they came ready to play. Yeah.

Yeah, I think after going to your game, I think we had a conversation on the next episode after that where the experience is great where I think it does lack a bit is in some brand partnership with a female rapper. I think because female rap is where it is in dominating. right men right now why a meg or glorillo or somebody isn't like the brand ambassador or creative

director of the wmba is beyond me like no pun that's a layup to get people like sort of what hove does with the halftime show but somebody when it comes to nationally televised games they can focus on half time show entertainment bringing certain rappers to the game like i think just with where hip hop is with women i don't get why the wmba is not just like as even consulting or anything. Yeah. Like using that. Again,

that's probably expensive. So I think that's probably part of it. But I think the W is heading in the right direction. We're in the middle of our negotiations with our new collective bargaining agreement. And we just had a meeting in Nashville with all the W players that were playing in Athletes Unlimited and the things that we're fighting for like higher salaries, pensions for retired players, health benefits for retired players, like just things that we weren't able to get to in the last CBA.

because the one before that was so messed up. So I think, you know, the WMBA, obviously, it's going to be a battle. Hopefully we can, like, find a happy medium. But I think it's, like, headed in the right direction for sure. I mean, I promise I'm not trying to get you to shit on the WMBA. I'm really just asking this. As a professional athlete, do you feel like the league takes care of its players?

Because, like, I feel like the NFL does a horrible job. I think now. Players active and retired players. We have work to do with retired players. And I think that's why it's been one of our focus in these new CBA negotiations is how can we take care of players that laid the foundation for us moving forward because there's actually nothing in place at all for retired players right now. But I think my dad was part of the lockout in his season that was like for that kind of stuff.

Yeah. Retired players, pension, all that kind of stuff. So that's definitely important to us. You know, we have, I don't know if all teams have like mental health specialists on staff, but I know we had some in L.A. We had two in L.A. Did we have one in Chicago? I think L.A. might have been my first team

that had mental health specialists for us, just for our team. So that wasn't a thing. The way they take care of mothers definitely has room for improvement, but it's much better than it was, like when my dad was coaching. So again, like being a woman in this field,

like there's just so many things that we have to think about that men simply don't have to worry about, like, getting pregnant and having kids and how are you going to manage that? And how's it going to affect your contract? It's going to affect a roster spot because now you get pregnant. You got to be out.

You're out, but your salary is protected now. Yeah. So, like, that's a spot. Yeah. So it's like you've got to consider that when you're trying to have a kid. And it's like, man, that's just something men just don't have to think about. It's definitely a lot of different things. When you talk about just what players have to worry about the NBA versus the WMBA.

Who are? because I just saw that Asia Wilson got a signature shoe and I think the last person that had one was Cheryl Swoops, I think. Sabrina has one. She has one now? It's like the highest selling basketball shoe right now behind Kobe's. Sabrina's shoe? It's fire.

Really? I might have to look into it. I might go get a pair of those. You should. Asia shoe is dope. Asia's shoe is fire too. Who are some of the players that you think deserve a signature shoe in the league? Ooh.

I mean, Asia was the biggest one for me. Oh, I mean, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, Stewie has one. Sabrina has one. I don't know. To me, Asia was like the one for me. Yeah, I think that deserves a new brain.

So I think that's really amazing that she got one. I think Caitlin Clark is going to have one. And I think Juju might be the next one. Oh, absolutely. She might get one while she's still at you. Yeah, yeah. She might have one now. Yeah.

She might have one already in the work. Yeah. Well deserved. Yeah. But yeah. I think, um, uh, Rika. Areca? Oh, Arrique.

I love her game. I think she would sell some sneakers. I love her game. I love watching her play. She, she's like, I would play. I would pay to, to watch her play. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I would go to one of the game.

And I think, yeah, and I think, again, back to the marketing thing. Like, I think Arrique now she is able to, like, show more of her personality on and off the court. And I hope, Dalai, this like pours into that and like markets that. Yeah. Because she is like outside of being like just a dope person, like the way she plays basketball is like super entertaining. Yeah, she's fun.

Incredible. Yeah. All right, Lex. One quick sneaker question before we leave. You and Iverson are the only people I've ever seen ball in questions. How did you possibly do that? What do you mean? One of my favorite shoes of all time.

I would never play full court basketball in those. Well, I get paid too, so I figured it out. There's the answer. All right. I figured it out. In other words, you ain't got games. Lexi, we appreciate you for coming by. We obviously don't know ball,

but we do know that you are one of the dopest and one of the illists in the league. So we all supporting you and we hope to catch up with you soon. Yeah, let's make this a recurring thing. Vegas, back street boys. We're in the building. In there.

We're in the building. Yeah, we got to come to the game of Seattle. Yeah, for sure. I definitely want to come to Seattle Storm game. Yeah, definitely got to come. All right, that's Rory and all with Lexie Brown. We do not know ball, Rory, but we know that Lexi is one of the illers.

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