New Rory & MAL - Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | Pacman Jones

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

On the first episode of "Rory and Mal Don't Know Ball" the guys are joined by former All-Pro NFL star turned rapper Adam "Pacman" Jones (4:15). Rory and Mal get Pacman's take on who's the King of ATL Hip Hop (15:39), and who his favorite (and least favorite artist) is (19:55). Plus, Pacman tells a hilarious story about a night he had in Philadelphia with his Titan teammates (24:55), reveals which NFL wide receiver had the best vocals (28:05), explains why New York Hip-Hop doesn't hit like ATL Hip-Hop (30:28), why he thought Kendrick's Super Bowl Halftime Show was horrible (34:16), + more! #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome to the very first episode of Rory and Moll, Don't Know Ball. Brought to you by our great guys at the volume. Our new partner, shout out to everyone over there. Our label mates, everyone, you know. For the dream come true, Roy.

I've been waiting for a platform to get my sports shit off on. Been waiting for the time I could smoke a wine, black and mild, the Shannon Sharp. That's all I podcasted for, was for that. Yeah. Yeah, no, I was out on the street with the volume folks in New Orleans. Yeah. I was a little here and there.

Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to scare them. Let them know. We had to shake shit up. Yeah. I wasn't even drunk. I was just slamming bottles on Bourbon Street floor.

Yeah. Just to see how they reacted. Just let them know. Just to see the emails that came the next day. Well, he was, can't wait to meet you in person. Yeah. All right. Yeah.

Don't know what you signed up for. I'm coming down Bourbon Street with two great Danes and a bottle of fucking wild turkey. I'm here. Well, this is don't know ball because, uh, because Rory, we don't know Yes. I feel like I love the press release shout out of boardroom shouts everyone. I think everyone thought we were about to do a full-blown sports show, which isn't the case per se. No. You and I have spent a lot of time around athletes and every time that they want to talk, they don't want to talk about sports. They want to argue with us about music. Right. Group chats, my text message, everything is

just all about rappers. Right. So we thought maybe we would bring that on air because I can only speak for myself. All athletes have the worst rap takes I've ever heard in my fucking life. Well, that's what I was going to say. Like, we, we get killed for our sports takes and, you know, obviously, we don't know ball. But athletes don't know music. No. Some of them, some of them surprisingly know more than we expect. But this is why we've created this show to kind of show those contrast of, yeah, we don't know ball, but a lot of these athletes, they don't know music either. So we let's have a conversation with some of our favorite athletes and favorite people from the sports world. And let's see exactly how much we don't

know about ball. Yeah, because I feel like they go hand in hand. Rappers want to be athletes, athletes want to be rappers. It's just, it's part of the culture. It's part of it. Forever. I mean, shit, even down to the rap beef shit, Iverson getting brought up in some shit he ain't want to be brought up in. Right. Every time, I feel like every time there's a rap battle and athlete's name gets brought up somewhere in there. Because I was even going back. I think every single battle has that. Well, you can't have too many hip-hop bar. without it being a sports reference. And is it something that has been in unison since the beginning?

A lot of the basketball, in particular, basketball culture taking off is in large part of hip hop becoming such a worldwide phenomenon. So we're here to have some fun. Talk to some athletic guests. Talk to some guests from the sports world. Yeah. And let's see how much we can share with each other. Yeah, media, coaches, personalities, not just always athletes all the time. And that was a very mature response that you were saying that, of course, there's metaphors and rap bars about sports.

I was talking about them sleeping with the same women because that's what's, that's what gets brought up in every single battle. Yeah, that's a whole other conversation. That's what I was getting, I was going to do every battle like, yo, there's always a rapper that is bringing up someone that their Eskimo brothers win. Yeah, absolutely. It happens. They frequent the same places. And that won't really be the consensus of this show. We're not trying to get messy and do that. It may come up every now and then, but, you know, that'll be in pre-production. Depending on who we're with and depending on how much they still work out. We don't want to start wrestling on the set.

We don't want that to happen. That's when I know shit got really weird when podcasters and athletes that were Eskimo brothers. I was in New Orleans like, you too? Yes. Different world. It's a whole different world out here now. But I am excited because we get to talk. I get to get off some of my, I think I have the best worst takes.

I have the best worst takes. Because I could be, yeah, yeah. Because I could be wrong, but I could be right. You know what I'm saying? So listen, man. What's the Terrence Howard shit and get Richard I trying? I could have been right,

but I could have been wrong. Yeah. And even if I could have been wrong. If I'm wrong, I'm still right. I'm still right. I'm still right. Exactly. Still made no fucking sense.

That's the approach I take to sports. Exactly. So I think we're ready for our guess. Yeah. First one. Let's do it. Welcome to another episode or a new episode of Don't Know Ball

the show with Rory and Mall don't know ball. don't know nothing about ball, but we talk to some of our favorite athletes and sports personalities so they can tell us exactly how much we don't know ball. And today, we are joined by a legend. One of my favorite personalities,

one of my favorite players, West Virginia legend, Atlanta GA legend, Adam Pac-Man, Pac-Man, Pac-Man Jones. How you feeling, my brother? I'm doing good, man. I appreciate y'all for having me, man. Yo, listen, it's a pleasure. It's a pleasure to talk to you, man.

we haven't met formally, but I'm sure we will one day. But we just want to kick it with you for a few, man, and I want you to tell us exactly how much we don't know about ball. But we're going to find out how much you know about music. Because we know, listen, that Ferrari kit, I'm on it. You got some of the new stuff. March 15th, I'm dropping the whole EP. I got a lot.

I don't want to spoil everything, but I got a crazy song with Jimmy Allen. That's a country song. Okay. I got Rico Rich on there. Okay. Going back walking through Atlanta. I got a coat. I'm an upcoming artist that's making a splash.

White kid. I got up in a fucking. Sorry for the interruption. Adam, we had a little, somebody here. Your phone died. You've been, you know, you ain't charging your phone.

You have PXG getting your golf game. Hey, bro. I'm sorry, bro, because I would be so pissed. If I was in the middle of doing my show and your phone fucking died while I was going. It's all good. First of all, I want to apologize to y'all because I don't take shit for granted. Yeah.

It's a pleasure to even have y'all want me to talk on the show. Oh, absolutely not, man. Some people take shit for granted, and then you know that's how to get lost in the fire. But, yeah, my bad, bro. It's all good. We appreciate you taking your time out today, man. Yeah, all good. We're looking for a new project.

What age did you start to start rapping at? March 15. March 15th? March 15th. Like I was saying, I got Jimmy Alley on, drop it down low at the tailgate, Jimmy Allen on the song. I got Rico Rich, who is making this move in Atlanta right now.

I think he's up next. I got another white kid named Colt that I'm a part of that's on the record. I got a big homie show from Dallas. And I got two more other names that I'm not going to reveal. Okay. All right. Until, like, they hit her songs. But, yeah, I enjoy it, bro.

Like, I can really rap. Like, people that know me, they know. That Ferrari kid is hard. Yeah. You like that Ferrari kid? I'm fucking with that Ferrari kid. I'm always saying it's better than Gellar. I got something on the base of that Ferrari kid.

It goes, like, mass, stepper, hot pepper, big rolling Mississippi rapper, in the demon, red letter, Mr. Gitchie Chetella, Grumperetta, Rock a Louie Sweat, another, level that's what the devil pedal to the matter. Put your peak of capital letters I can change the weather. Rain, man, money insane, man, my cane tan. Got my own scramed and ask for damn mad, man.

Black her revenge feel like a gather stand. Yeah, yeah. I ain't tag, toe tag and shit, man. You bitch, man. I ain't hit back. I know she bitch sad. Jet lead. Fly first class, bitch. I got no. Hey, Pac, I believe everything you're saying, I believe you. And turn the camera. I want to see all the white

people shopping for golf club. It's looking over right now. Oh, yeah, they're in here. They're all in here right now. They're all in here. Shout. Oh, God, damn, Pat. Oh, I thought we lost you again. Shout out.

No, no, no. I'm plugged in now. Okay, okay. Hey, give me one shame on you. Give me twice shame on me. That's a fact. So, um, I'm here at PXG right now, and I'm going to cut you up. But shout out to PXG, because that's one of my major sponsors that keep my golf game right.

You smell it. No, Pat, listen, man, I got to come to PXG. I got to go on a shop and spree. I need to get everything. I don't have nothing, but I really do want to get into golf. We went golf for maybe two years ago, and I'm absolutely terrible, but it is something that I do want to get into. So the fact that you at PXG, I got to get the PXG and get my whole golf shit together.

And, hey, bro, I got some connections over. You know what I'm saying? Say no more. And I'm starting a golf show, getting a damn hole this summer where I'm going to be shooting on the show. Get in the damn hole. I like that. Getting in the damn hole.

You know what I mean? We're going to take four, everybody got to take four shots before we start the game. It's a timely fashion, five holes, been big money, smoking a lot of weed. And, man, respecting the culture of golf, but, like, it's a different culture now when it comes to golf. Absolutely. Oh, no, I got to see, that's my type of show. I got to be a guest on that show, bro. Four shots.

I got you. I need you. Four shots, smoke, and then we. Oh, no, I'm down. Get in the damn hole. Get in the damn hole. Getting the goddamn hole, man. I'm down.

I'm definitely coming to shoot that with you, for sure. You know, schoolboy Q said he was going to retire rapping and just golf. Have you connected with him yet? No, I haven't. I know School Boy Q, but I haven't talked to him since he made that statement. But great deal, though. He golfed. He golf for real.

He's golf game. He walked out to ass when he went golf with him. What did he shoot? I can't remember what he shot, but we shot out in Calabasas at the Calabasasas Club. But he played with y'all. Y'all sucks, sound like. No, no, 100%. Yeah.

No, we trash. But it was some real golfers out there. Matt Barnes was there. His golf game looked pretty decent, but it was some real golfs out there. Black Barnes can't golf. It was some golfers out there that really did their thing. But Q actually surprised me.

Like, you know, he was, and he's been talking about how much he's jumped into golf. Obviously, J.R. Smith, everything that he's doing in golf now. J.R. can go. Yeah, no, J. J. R. Smith can definitely. Play with J. That's my boy.

Yeah. So I definitely, I want to get into it, man, because I think, like you said, it is, it is cool that, you know, more of us are getting into golf and kind of bringing our culture into golf and having fun with the sport and just making it in our own.

I think anything we touch, we make it our own and we make it. Yeah, it's crazy, bro. Like, where are we at right now and compared to what we used to be? Like, golf was a rich white sport. Oh, rich, white. You had to have a lot of money to play golf.

Some way you can compare it to fucking hockey. Like, well, we grew up down, have hockey, bro. Like, the goddamn hockey skates cost $1,000. Right. Kids in the hood can't pay for that. Right. These tight list balls, these PXG clubs that I'm hitting. Mm-hmm.

You know what I mean? These are $20,000 clubs for a set. Mm-hmm. Damn. Wow. So I think now where we're at in the day and the time, it's about what you want to do. They're making shit affordable for what you want.

You get what I'm saying. Everybody can't get PXG straight off the rip, but if you're in that ballpark, you can get the PXGs. But, like, we didn't have, we didn't have, the tools when I grew up where I'm from from Bankhead, boat right west side of Atlanta, Georgia, going, and I stayed right up the street to East Lake. Yeah, we would go up there and pick up balls for money,

but it was nowhere near, and we was getting the chance to play. Right. And so, like, yeah, I enjoy it, bro. It's me competing against myself. You know what I mean? Just being that little white ball like that, you can't get mad at nobody.

Yeah. With yourself out there. When you playing golf, Is your approach to it as far as from a music standpoint on the way to the course? Are you listening to the same type of music you will listen to on your way to the field? Damn, that's a good question. I listen to music the whole time I'm playing golf. Like, I always got to speak on my car.

What's in your golf car? What's on your playlist for your golf cart? A lot of jelly row. I ain't going to lie. Okay. All right. A lot of jewelry. Just because I ain't trying to get all riled up, you know what I mean?

It's a different frequency in golf. Yeah, like a lot of jelly roll. Is that what made you want to do the country record? Huh? Is that what made you want to do the country record? No, actually, it just so happened to happen because I'm pretty talented. And me and Jimmy was talking one day and, like, Jailorow was my friend, bro. Like, we went to college school.

Like, my part was sleeping. Jelleyroll went to West Virginia? We were sleeping on my couch. Like, we're, like, I know him, know him. I didn't know he went to West Virginia. I didn't know he went to West Virginia. I didn't know he went to West Virginia. Yes.

Jelleroa went to West Virginia. Wow. Blanco. Wow. Blanco is like my best friend. He grew up in the same projects I grew up in. That's insane. I had no idea about that.

I heard going to do the two-step six years before it came out. Like, does my boy. Like, future, right up the street. All right. So now I know who the feature is that you ain't want to say. Now I know who the feature is. I have not said any names yet. But that's a good assumption.

Yeah, I know. Sources. Yeah. Sources. What's the Z right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you met Jelly Roll at West Virginia, was he making music? Yeah.

Okay. Were you making music at that time, too? Well, I would go in and rap, but, like, I would always, like, I've always been in the studio and around the studio, but, like, them chicks won't, like football chicks, bro. No, yeah. Like, I ain't none of them chicks, like. No, absolutely not. I'm cool, but, like, now. I'm actually invested in some rappers, and I would not say their name.

Okay. That are mainstream artists. Yeah. But them checks are not like them football checks. No, absolutely not. Not even close. Like, I'm making $500,000 a week. Like, you think I'm worrying about rapping really?

You think I want Spotify's penny? Come on. Like, what are we talking about? Yeah. It don't appear at all. I've always enjoyed doing it. Like, I had a label that was called, NSL when I was in the league and NFL made me like change the name because it was sound too close

I had the same sign as NFL but it's NSL National Street League yeah um so I've always been divving and dabbing in the music I had the biggest studio in Atlanta um everybody came through 808 um metro the future and of selling in the future after I was like, all right, I'm done with this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this side of the other game. But yeah, man, like, we bought it from Dallas, uh, Austin. Okay, okay. Back in the day. So, like, yeah, I've always been around like, T I, G, easy, like, I've been around, like, you know, I realized, bro, like, yeah, like, football saved my life. So I was in the streets, like, really in the streets, like, for real, for real.

Mm-hmm. So I was young. bro, like 15, 16 years old at Magic City at Belved Room. Velvet Room. God, damn. Yeah, like, I'm talking about classic. Dressed up like Chris Cross with the jersey on backwards. Yeah, I mean.

Yeah. Like, shout out to Kay Wells, too. Like, but, like, I've been around a long time, bro. A long time. Speaking of the ATL music scene, to Pac-Man Jones, who is the king of the ATL music scene? Young thug. Young thug. Period.

One of them, Blunt. You say a period or just of the new generation? None of them niggas would be doing nothing. The new generation. Okay. Little baby, future, Ghana. None of them niggas would be nothing without thug. Mm-hmm.

You feel that way about future, too? Man, did you hear what I just told you? Yeah. So young thug. They got to put respect on Shardin. And Lucci. Shit, Luchin. And, like, I'm a friend with both sides, but, like, you know, like, Luchin wouldn't be

luchy without Thug. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we talked about, you know, during, Dug's whole trial situation. Rich Horme. Yeah, rest of peace. Rest and peace.

Rich homie, yeah, he was absolutely a big figure in that scene for sure. Y'all knew these. Like, I'm. Yeah. Yeah. Now, you name me, you name us some dudes that's tied in for sure. Definitely. Yeah, bro.

Like, Thug. The other thing of changing all that shit around. Being from Banka, what was that time like, rest and peace to Shorty Lowe? But the T.I. Shorty-Low disagreement. I got a version of Shorter. I got, I was talking about saying R.P. is Shaldi. Hold on. R.P. is to Carlos.

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Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coutura Podcast Network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, rest of peace, Shorty Low, for sure. Oh, that man, man. Real West Side. So what were you listening to growing up? I mean, outside of going to strip club of 15,

what music was playing around you in Bankhead? I want to listen to none of that shit. My life was so fast. I didn't get fucked by no music. I was trying to stay alive, my boy. Yeah. That music shit is this day and age in time. Like, we didn't have all these phones.

Like, we had phones, like, maybe high school, but, like, you still didn't have a phone. Like, we had MySpace, bro. My space, what was the other shit they had? But, like, we didn't have the platform of all this shit that we, this new technology screaming and all that when we grew up. So, like, I grew up, bro, like, and I ain't trying to be boosting them.

bragging, but, like, I grew up trying to stay alive. Like, my whole thing was, like, I'm going to keep my head in this football because once I go out of this dope, I don't want that to catch up with me, you know what I mean, and basketball, all sports, I should say, but, like, I was different, like, mentally driven, like, way different than a lot of kids that was in the projects, you get what I'm saying? Like, my dad was, like, the man. Like, I'd seen my dad get killed right in front of me. So, like, a lot of things that...

that other people might be, like, looking up to, like, that wasn't me. Like, I've never had, oh, I want to be, like, Emmy Smith. Like, no, that, that, that, like, mentally, I've just always been like that. And then the last time I ever thought that I wanted to be somebody when I was growing, which was Deion Sanders. And that was just more of the person that Deon is, you know what I mean, not as the player. And when I got to meet him, I'm like, damn, this is who I need to try to fucking be like. And can't be like him because he don't cuss.

I cuss all the time. But, like, I took a lot of characteristics from our relationship, him being in my life and being like a big brother or a father figure and tried to implement that. And my day to that basis, so I'm fucking whacking nobody around here. Right. Yeah, please don't do that, bro. Who was the rapper that you first started listening to when you said, you know what? I think that I can make music.

Like after you really wanted to get into it, who was the artist that you was like, damn, I ain't going to lie. I want to do this. This is the shit I want to do. Well, I really, bro. Like, if you asked me, like, who is one of my favorite artists, it would be probably GZ. Okay. Like, GZ during our time.

Yeah. Him and 50. then it would be my favorite too you know what I mean I was listening to Jeezy like when I got in the league during college it was never with 50 cents

you know what I mean Speaking of Jeezy during the whole verses Gizi Gucci man where was Pac-Man at because obviously we know the story and the history

behind those two gentlemen so during the verses you know for us we were sitting at home watching it and you could feel the tension of those two gentlemen finally

Hey listen here man I don't fuck with nothing that's in the Kater my boy Fuck Gucci Man No we can't We can't do that Pac

We can't do that Well no we can't do that man That might be your partner That ain't mine No no I don't know We just listen to the music We just listen to the music You can't control me

What I'm saying That's a fact That's a fact Fuck you talking about Nickas Fuck Gucci Man What on You got it

You got it When you was When you was going home You know holidays during college, what was that GZ BMF scene like in Atlanta around that time? Do you have any stories from back there? It was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. You all crazy. I realized, bro, I was 20 years old. But, like, I had been getting paid, like, since high school.

Like, I can't tell y'all who was paying me. No, allegedly. It's all alleged. Like, I was getting paid. NIL before the NIL. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, NIL was before NIA. Like, real, no, not no Kiki. Yeah.

Oh, I know. My fuck was making some 10s, 15s, like, and I ain't talking about $1,000. Right. Talking about a month. Yeah. For just fucking running a football, bro. Yeah. Or playing basketball.

So, like, the thing was crazy, bro. Like, Meach. Meach had a good, good era. But, like, besides mech still, bro, like, it was everybody in Atlanta, bro. Like, this was, like, Atlanta was getting a lot of money back then, bro. Absolutely. Like, I can name four, five. five niggas that was getting way more money than me.

Like, they're still, that they never went to jail. Mm-hmm. They're still around here. Right. Like, we ain't going to do that.

We ain't going to say no names, though. We ain't going to say no names. Yeah, no, no, no, we know that. We know that. We know that. We know that. Leave them off a billboard. That's what's understood.

Don't need to be said. They know. Absolutely. They know. Absolutely. Have you watched the VMF show? Yeah. What do you think?

Is it accurate? From what you knew? Which part of you asking me about? More so season two going in to Atlanta. You try to throw that question out there like, oh yeah. Yeah, say what you really want to say, bro. Like, come on. No, I'm actually more so about the party scene and everything in Atlanta

on that second season. First of all, he did his time. Statue of Limitations is over. He did his time. We could all talk about it at this point. But when they arrived in Atlanta, was that wave really like that? The wave was already like that, though. And, like, you got to realize, like, so I grew up in Atlanta.

Then I leave West Virginia and go to California, right? I meet tea in California. Okay. Do you hear what I'm saying? That 3-21 shit was T-shed, like, which if you look on your phone, it's B-M-F on the phone. They used to say that you're not because I already out there. But, like, it wasn't nothing different that I didn't know, though, I can tell you 10 people that was spending just as much money that was going out every night.

They had same amount of cars, same amount of girls. Like, it was just, he was a little bit more flamboying with it. I just put it like that. Yeah. I hear that. So now let's talk about your time in Dallas. Did Jerry Jones or the Cowboys have any clubhouse rules that you was just absolutely like, how are we supposed to be loose, how we're supposed to be getting ready for a game,

and y'all got all these damn rules in this. clubhouse. Shout out to my team at BenOnline. a.g. Shout out to the Pacman Jones show. I've never had

a rule in a clubhouse, bro. I'm really good. You never had a rule in a clubhouse. Doesn't mean there wasn't rules. Doesn't mean it wasn't rules. But you ain't ever had no rules

in a clubhouse. Never. Nobody, bro, I've never had a problem at the clubhouse. Okay. Not one. Like, my problem is when I leave that motherfucker.

Yeah. You get up saying, I'm out all night. You get what time? What time we're supposed to be in for curfew? God, damn, we got to make right. Hey, look, my coaches be like, we got a night game. We've got to lock this nigga in the room. But he's not coming back for curfew.

Yeah. I'd never forget it. I was playing, we played the Eagles when I was with Tennessee. Okay. In Philly. We had a night game. Coach Fisher was like, man, I need you here. Yeah.

At least by 12 o'clock. I'm like, bro, we don't play the 8 o'clock, bro. Like, if you're going to find me, go ahead and find me. I go out, I go out of the script club. I took a couple of my teammates with me. He fined the shit out of them, too. I will say that. I got back at like 2.30.

I was wasted, too. Uh-huh. I had a pun for 9-8 yards to win the game. So at that point, you can't just let me do what I do, because when it's game time, I'm locked in. Yeah, trust my process. I'm locked in. Let me get relaxed.

What did coach say after that after that touchdown? What did he say? So you can Google this player. I ran back to the sideline, threw up, and went back in the game because it was defense time. Gangster. That was a punt return that I took to the house that Eagles game. Yeah.

But like Coach Fisher and Coach Lewis was by far. And Coach Rodriguez, I would say that too. my college coach. Okay. They player coaches. You know what I mean? And all that shit, you treat every player the same, that's a lot. Yeah.

That's a lot. So we see Coach Sanders and what he did for Colorado as far as bringing the coach here there and turning that program around. The newest one, Deshawn Jackson, is now going to Delaware State. And we'll see what he does as far as bringing the culture there. Has Pac-Man ever thought about getting to coaching? No. Hey, bro, I'm outside, bro. I ain't tough, bro.

Listen, bro. Listen, I tell people this, I don't got offered. 25 fucking D1 coaches jobs. 25. I will not take not one of them. That's not for me, bro. I respect that. You know it's not for you.

I respect that. Bro, I'm still outside. And, like, if I'm going to coach somebody, it's going to be my fucking son. Right. Like, I'm not. I played football 14. years. You think I want to fucking sit in a fucking office.

Watch goddamn film. 13 hours out today. I'm retired for a reason. No. You want to be at PXG golf and that's where you try to be at chilling. You see what I'm at, man. I got the new clubs too.

These are new ones right here, my boy. Yeah. Between Tennessee, Dallas, Cincinnati, what city had the best culture that kept you from not making that curfew? I got to go. Definitely Dallas.

Dallas. I'm going to say Dallas got to be. Dallas was, man, bro, everybody got groupies at Dallas. Everybody got two girlfriends. Like, that shit for real. Like, all that old cap-ass shit, bro, like, you got to be honest and say what's what,

you know what I mean? Right. All that old, not having. Boy, you got that star on your helmet. You could be the goddamn practice squad. Right, right. Man, you're getting a car deal. You're getting clothes.

And hose. And holds. Which one of your former team? Your teammates were you most impressed by, like, as far as them making music and rapping? My teammates, as far as rapping? Any former teammate that you heard their music and was like, damn, he's all right. Or does anyone in the league period? It's a kid named J-mo.

Jay-mo is really good. He played with me in Denver. He got some hot shit. I just think I should have probably signed him now that I'm thinking about it. And it's just people don't realize, like, it's content, content. So you got a good song, it still got to be some content with the song. To support it, yeah. And that's what I found out early on.

Like, all right, you can put out a song, the song good. But these motherfuckers want to see something while that song is going on. You know what I'm saying? That's just where we're at right now in the world. Like, everything is click, boom, I either want to hear it or read it. You get what I'm saying? So I think that's the biggest part with him. I think J-Mo, I would go with J-Bong.

he can go he can sing and Marvin Jones was good too bro okay I didn't even know he made me

yeah Marvin Jones can sing his ass off yeah yeah I did matter of for a receiver yeah yeah yeah

yeah I remember that which teammate had the absolute worst taste of music would not let him touch the ox chord at all keep the bullet

fucking horrible you got that name just out yeah that was on the top of you yeah You know, son, son, son, son, son. Well, he's from New York?

He from New York? Yes, bro. What was he playing that you didn't like? Man, everything. Anything he plays is all New York. Some shit that we never heard of either, too. Okay. By the way.

Oh, so he was playing New York Underground. He might have one Jay Z song in there. Okay. I'm a Cap-up fan. I like Jim Jones. He got no Jim Jones on there. Oh, okay. So he's playing all underground shit.

Yeah, man. What year was this? 05-07 Yeah I mean New York That was a tough It was a really tough time For New York at that Yeah that was a tough time

I mean maybe Mims was playing Maybe that's what he had on Yeah but if you ain't playing no J and no Jim Jones No so who were you playing at that time Bro Mims It was bad bro Yeah

And you know like back then it was just New York rappers Rappers They don't make songs It's all about the lyrics Down south we make songs I want you to enjoy yourself, get where the fuck you want to go. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

I don't need you dissecting every inch of fucking word that I'm saying. Do you like the fucking look? Yes. All right. Listen to the fucking song. Get you a little vibe. Make your own fucking first. 2015, May Pro Bowl.

So what was Pac-Man listening to 2015 before the games? What was your soundtrack? What was your frequency? Oh, damn. That's a good question. Thug. Young Thug. Big Thugger.

Which project? What was 2015? 2015. Looching. All that shit was going on doing that time. Yeah, 2015. Yeah, okay.

Yeah. When it comes to Thug, you like... Future. Certain aid. Got to listen to Future on the way to the game. Definitely got to miss Lerick. Yeah. Come on, man.

When it comes to Thug, you like Jeffrey or Barter Six, better? Barter Six. Who else said Barter Six? I don't want, I'm kind of on that side too. Barter Six to me is what got me to like Thug. I mean, I saw what he's doing with Homie Kwan at the time. Like Barter Six, I was like, oh, all right, Thug is for real. This isn't just some play shit.

Yeah, Barter Sixth is different. That was when, like, the melody shit. I was like, oh, this is a musician. Like, this is a real artist with Bartas six. I'm in that beat when they do. Hey, oh, man. Hold on, let me play one. What do you say?

What he said? I was still trying to figure that out. I don't got me a chick and got a sketch. I can see that pussy from my mouth away. Huh? What? Let's go, Jeff. Doug, no copyrights.

Huh? No way. Hey, hey. Have, um, have you... I got a check. Yeah, I don't got me a check. I got a shit. Have you spoken to thugs since, um, the trial?

Yeah, I went to the trial. Okay. How's his spirits now? I mean, obviously. Half time. So if they don't copy right us. Let's go. Have time. Time. Half time.

I'm saying, have time. So I don't. Watch how you coming this thing. Why are you coming in this thing? Like I'm really big Nakes a thing Like JC You did

Yeah That what we were listening to Before the game back then though Outside of the collabs that you already have for your projects Who was the one artist That you feel like, yo I have to get a record with this artist I have to

Thug for sure Okay When it comes If I had to pick two people I'm kind of biased with Doug Because like we're friends But like I'd be kind of like

Leaving my music stuff away from him Yeah I'm waiting for him to be like All right bro that's hard Like I don't want to go on that Yeah you don't want to use the friend card You don't want to do that Yeah I don't do that

You want to be genuine You want to be genuine Right Got it bro You hear it And, like, people hear, like, they got phones. Like, my mother's just know what's going on. Yeah, yeah.

They can hear it, yeah. And, like, I was a Wayne fan, too. Like, I open Wayne up there, too. Like, bro, listen to NEMBA but Wayne. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim?

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Did you like it? No, I didn't really... You asked the right person. I did not come to do a black power or... I don't give a fuck about what your beliefs is at the middle of fucking halftime, bro. I want to be entertained, bro. Right. That shit was not entertaining.

So as... The only thing was entertaining was seeing Serena Williams with that blue dress on, Seawalking. But besides that, like, come on, bro. Right. Do you feel like other players, obviously being a player, do you feel like other players probably felt the same way? Like that's not the type of music we're trying to hear at the halftime? Yeah, you didn't see all the comments?

Come on, bro. Come on, bro. Rihanna did a fucking performance and she was pregnant, bro, running through the air of the motherfucker stadium being picked up by a goddamn screen, bro. Like, what are we talking about? Like, I don't want to see, oh, it's a jail cell. He in the cell.

Red, White, Luke. Oh, this symbol Well, first of all, that's too much thinking for football football player And any fucking fan That has come to the fucking game To see the halftime show You know how much those tickets cost

My fucking? My motherfucking tickets, $20,000, my boy, at the top. Right, at the top. All the way at the top. And one time we got to see Janet's titty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Come on, man. Like, I didn't like it. That's just my personal opinion. The halftime show of the Super Bowl, we should be entertained. So you felt like Wayne Diggett slighted in New Orleans? Fucking right. Like, how do you not bring, like, Arkansas Lamar, you got an hour.

You don't bring nobody. You don't bring Master P. I mean, like, it's a whole bunch of fucking New Orleans artists. Right. We're on Bourbon Street. These motherfuck are like dancing drink. That's what New Orleans is about. Right.

That's the culture, yeah. Not about giving us these complicated songs. And then you only play one fucking song that we know. Okay. Right. I would have stalked the motherfucker out. Paul, drink. We're in New Orleans.

We're at the fucking Super Bowl. What are we talking about? Order a hurricane. Oh, man. I just look this dumb, though. Right. I just look this dumb. Who would you choose to do the halftime show at an Atlanta Super Bowl?

Yveseis. Jeezzie? Yon Jeezy. T.I. I would go through the whole crew. See, the difference between Atlanta is like 99% of Atlanta rappers

they stick with each other. Atlanta supports Atlanta. That's why y'all have been on top for so long. Right. You might have one or two of them that motherfuckers don't fuck with, like one of the ones I just fucking told y'all. But 90% of Atlanta, like like, I ain't nobody coming to

Atlanta getting over on Atlanta. I'm like, Atlanta niggas put together they money to get your ass up out of here. Oh, for sure. That's how that she goes. For sure. That's how that go in Atlanta. But, like, I would like to see, in Atlanta,

I would like to see everybody. I would like to see Alcass. I'm a big boy. What's the name to come out of retirement? I would like, I want Pastor Troy. Okay. Tip, G, Z. Monica

Oh Okay What's Russell Wilson girlfriend? Sierra? Sierra Sierra Goodies would go crazy

at the Super Bowl Goody Ma I'm missing one person though Shit TLC Luda? What about Luda? No Luda? Who?

Luda. Luda got He got drunk from Atlanta, bro. He's from Chicago. He got a pass. We gave him a pass in Atlanta. Okay.

Shout out of Shaka, too. Shout to Shaka for sure. All right, so there's a perfect segment. And you're on Thug, bro. Of course. Yeah. Oh, no, we know you got thug in there. We know you got thug in there.

Perfect segue. Did you listen to Amaretta's freestyle? Sorry, not sorry, where she said everyone that wasn't from Atlanta? Yeah, I did. She killed that, did she? Yeah, no, it's great freestyle. Amazing. Which side do you want with that?

I'm from Atlanta. No, I know that. I'm saying, did you agree? Did you agree? Did you agree with that? You think she got it right? Yeah. You think that, like, the way she broke it down, was she correcting what she was saying?

She explained it pretty good. She did. I thought she did. She broke it down damn near to the tee, bro. Yeah. I was surprised. I was surprised at how well she broke that. She's really good, though, bro.

She's telling me. She's nice. Yeah, she's nice. She's really good. Yeah. She got really good wordplay, too. You can tell she's smart as hell. Mm-hmm.

Did you listen to the Larry June and Tuchin's Alchemist Project that just came out? Nope. I didn't think so. But where does two chains rank in your Atlanta list? Right. But first of all, men, Ted have a relationship. Okay. So, like, that's my boy.

So I ain't trying to shit on them on those shit like that. But, like, what are you saying? Like, in the top, rappers out of Illinois? Yeah, I think he's one of the most underrated. And we were saying that he's one of the most underrated rappers out of Atlanta. As far as from just a skill set. Like, how far are you going back? Like, when are we starting this?

I go back to- I'll go back, yeah, I go back all the way back to the beginning, to Titty Boy. Oh, the Duffer Boys? Yeah. I was in that video. I know. Um. Do you feel like he's underrated?

I feel like a yes. I'm saying, I think he gets a pretty decent props. Okay. All right. Is he top five out of Atlanta? No. No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that. Is he top five?

Is he top ten out of Atlanta? I'd have to sit and think. All right now. Maybe top 15. He's definitely top 15. He's definitely top 15. I'd have to sit and then. He might be close to him.

Okay. Top 10, bro. Come on, bro. Like, that's a hard list. That's tough to be top 10 out of Atlanta. Atlanta got some ill, ill, mcs and rapists. Especially if you're going like, yeah, depending on how far you're going back. Because if you go from like, double bag is what, 2004 or five?

Five or six maybe? Yeah. That was like the second album that they put out. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I think Ted got better as he went, though. No, for sure. For sure.

I think so. He definitely, like, coming from prayer. Listen, Ted was my man, bro. Like, Ted had all the weed. Yeah. They pulled up on a nigga boy. I'm talking about what a big. Five.

No cap. Yeah. Let's go back to T.I. real quick. Trap music or King? King. King? Okay. G. Z.

You say about Tip, right? Yeah. Yeah, T.I. T.I. T.I. He paid away for the whole West Side. I got a number of respect for Tim. Yeah.

Outcast ATLians or Quimini? Outcast ATL.O.E. Ludacris. Back for the first time or chicken and beer? Or pass. All right, Pac That can't be one of your favorite Chicago albums? Fast.

Future 56 nights or Hendricks? 56 nights! What? Okay, I thought you was going to go Hendricks, okay. Nah, because I really know what happened about the 56 nights. I was over there. You was there on the 55th night? On the 55th night?

And when my boy got locked up, he didn't have no fucking picture on the internet. So that's how I picked the six nights. You don't know if you know the real story about Dubai. No, I don't. We don't know the real story. So, yeah, Esko was, I mean, over in Dubai. Yeah. Okay.

Hey, show me a picture on you. At this time, this nigga Esco ain't got no pictures on Instagram saying that like he's famous or nothing. Right. Locked his ass up in 56 nights. They came up with that title. Oh, that shit, yeah. Okay. Yeah, see, I know a lot of shit that people don't know.

You know what I'm saying? Well, that's what we got you on the call today, man. We don't know ball. And obviously, we don't know Atlanta. The Atlanta story behind a lot of music in Atlanta either. What was one of your favorite memories on in the studio? Really just seeing all them make it. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm not lying. Like, 808 fucking, that whole list I just told you. Like, all them came through a dark studio, bro. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to my best friend, Chrissy Rand all that shit over there. But, like, yeah. 21 Savage. All of them, everybody who popped off from fucking 2000,

four, five, six, seven, eight, nine was in our studio. So, like, the best part was, like, seeing them, like, you know what I mean? When I first met thug shit, Doug was really thugging, like, now I know Kiki Ha shit. Like, real. So I was on for two, three days, you get what I'm saying? Yeah. And just to see what they had now. like it's that's probably the most

satisfaction I probably got out of on in the studio what were some of the big records that came out of it that were recorded in there Oh shit Oh shit That's crazy

Everything Thuggan did 21 Savage Metro booming That shit came out of dirt That's crazy Every fucking record bro Damn that's really wild Every record bro every last one of the motherfuckers.

Not, I'm every last one of them. So now it makes sense why your music sounds so good. Like now I understand it. Like you really like, you're in the mix. Like you're right there next to some legendary sound. Like, because when I, like I said, the Ferrari, when I played that, I was, I'm not going to lie, bro. I was like, no, this record is dope. Like, I was not expecting to hear.

I see Ferrari kid. I'm like, I let me hear what Pac-Man talking about. But when it came on, it didn't sound like, it didn't sound like. somebody that is just trying to do this music shit. It sounds like somebody that's been around it that has come up in the music, has been, knows what sounds to listen

for, knows what sounds good, where to put what has the right people mixing and producing it. So now that you're doing all that shit myself to just let you know. Really? I sit there, record, boom, clip, put, boom, listen,

boom, clip, boom. You record out of protests? Yeah, pro twos. Wait, wait, wait, way, way, way, Pac, man. Hold, hold on, hold on. You record- You think I own the studio and don't know how to fucking work some two?

No, no, it happens, though. That's like me being rich and don't know how to check my fucking statement someone. No, no, I get what you saying. I'm trying to get that rich where I don't. I get what you saying, but I was not expecting you to say that you record and mix your own shit. Yeah.

That is crazy. I know, I know how I wanted to sound. I don't use other people, but like, in my studio at home, Yeah. Like this shit that I, this new shit that I'm dropping right now? Yeah. I wish I can, hold on, I don't know what I got to.

Like, do it. You're going to love this beat. I love it already. I love it, simple. Too many oxen it, bitch, got me paranoid. I'm going to shoot this video going past Pittsburgh Stadium like this. Fuck y'all. Too many oxenny bitch got me paranoid.

Playing with his little each thing. We're not doing the sample. Set up to the side. You know, I'm like, one, two, slide on the thing I'm like, I'm like, oh. Oh, oh. How do fuck Pac-Man making music? What the fuck is going on? I'm not just saying this because we're talking now.

This is hard. Bro, I got shit, bro. I can send you the whole E right now. Now, that's... Now, that sounds really good. And I got so many different flavors, though. Like the song I did with Jim Allen is a country music song. Then I got songs like this where I'm just talking shit, having fun in the studio.

And then I got some shit like heartfelt. Like, you know what I mean? Like some real shit. Yeah. Who produced the Ozzy brother's sample? Yeah, if I'm a kid. Yo, man, get the fuck out of him. We're not doing this, man.

Why God, bro. You know how long it took me to sample that beat and fix it like that? Yo, this is, this is crazy. Wait, yo, I beat his heart. This is fucking crazy that, yo, wait, how is Adam Jones putting together all this shit on the music side and doing it all by his side? That might be better than Nas's version of Good Morning.

Bro, you got realized I do everything, bro. I got a TV show. I do music. I'm in the middle of doing a documentary and writing the book. Like, this shit is not that hard, bro. Like, if you really, like, bro, I have nothing else to do but get better than everything. I like that. I like that.

I have nothing else to do but get better every day. And I compete, though. Like, I'm not doing this shit because I know what motherfuckers gonna say. That's poor fuck you can't, bro. We just got all this money. I just put out of something. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Right.

I am very talented in the things that I do. And I'm not doing that if I know I can't do it. And it ain't pretty too much of nothing that I can't do when it comes to talking shit. to talking shit, rapping on the beat, performing, or anything when it comes to content. Like, I can do it. Yeah. We just had Leangelo Ball at the NBA All-Star Week in performance record. What did you think about that?

Trash. Yeah. Okay, we're on the same page. I mean, I think everyone in the world is the same thing. I don't even understand how everybody's talking about. The song is horrible. I said, when I said it when it came out, they called me a hater. You know why, bro.

Because he got that light skin complexion. He's Drake, bro. Come on, bro. Get out of here. Disrespect for a drink. Come on, bro. Ain't about I listened to that goddamn son. I hated it.

And they called me a hater when the song came out. I said it was trash. I mean, I'm just listening to good. I would love to get in any studio that he's in. And me and me and me and me and me and me ain't going to take me long. And just see who come out with the better record? Or we could just, we can both do a verse and see who come out with the hook. It don't matter to me.

We got to set that up. Pac-Man and Jello Ball in the studio. Who coming out with a, I'm my money but you're making recal together but like I'm pretty good he's gonna clean them up

like that's like he producing his own shit rap writing recording recording mixed it like jello don't stand a chance man what program you used to produce I can't tell you that I like it

I'm not giving the way I can't tell you that because I'm in the middle of getting paid for that okay respect you get what I'm saying respect

whatever program you need to say if this was a two weeks later You can get it to all that. Because that and another thing right here that

I'm working on to deal with, so I want to say what I'm using because I might not be using it no more. I respect it. I respect the business side of it. Who are some of your, like, producer inspirations, your favorite producers? Metro, 808.

Hmm. This is funny. My boy down in Miami. Who's that? Who's the best producer right now in the game in Miami? You should know that. Y'all follow music. You definitely should fuck the best producer in Miami.

But so many people be in these cities. Who are making all the hits right now? Out of Miami. He's from Miami? No. He's from Chicago. Southside? No?

Southside is Atlanta. Yeah. But Southside is making a lot of hits. You're right by that. He's in Miami. I'm going to give you one more shot. Light skin Used to rap

Got the whole Oh, Bert We talked about our That's our family Berg Who? Who? Hitmaker.

Yeah. Oh, hit maker, okay. I thought he was living in L.A. I thought he was in L.A. I was like, I was still in L.A. He was like,

he's making fucking everything High right now. No, no. That's our family. I need a fucking beat, bro. Like, I need, what's up? He's like,

Burr just coming to Miami. Yeah. And I ain't had a chance. That's like one of the, like, that's, that me and him are like this. No, no, that's our guy. When, like, when he was going through all his shit, when he was in Atlanta, like, 90% of the time, he was at my house.

You know what I mean? Like, I fought with bird, man. Now, that's family. 100% one. You know what I mean? Like, that's my boy. Yeah. What you thought of Antonio Brown's record?

Put that shit on? Actually, I liked it. I did too. Yeah, that shit was all right. I did too. It was catchy. The verse was nice. The song, the beat was good.

Like, um, I know. I talk a lot of shit by AB. But, like, I got a lot of respect for AB. That's my boy. Yeah. Like, but the music was really good. Like, I'm, like, really good. He'll look different to me because he can't rap about what I'm a rap about.

Right. But, like, yeah. He was more, he was more braggadocious, like the Dion Sanders type of shit. Yeah. Like, flash, a lot of flash. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of flash. Show me to mine, man.

Yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah. He was, his shit was kind of similar to that. I can't do that shit because I don't, like, I don't even want to know how much money I got. I'm talking about. I'm not going to lie, Pat, before we let you go, I did enjoy watching one interview with you and they was asking you what was your first big purchase and you said you bought 60 acres of land. I just got to salute you on that because you don't hear a lot of young athletes when they first

come into this bag and get this money saying that they purchased land. So when you said that that was your first big purchase was buying 60 acres of land. But let me tell you something. Fuck that land because you don't know how much upkeeping that shit was cutting all that grass, bro. I fuck that, lamb, my bad. I actually didn't make a lot of money off of it. Only reason I made a lot of money off of it? The only reason I made a lot of money off of it, because I was right next door to George Jones.

Shout out to George Jones and his wife. Like, they took unbelievable care of me. Yeah. But, like, now, what's the land I got now? Well, I do got a lot of land right now. I got a whole fucking thing. But I don't have to take care of that. Okay.

At first spot, I was living on. You get what I'm saying? Okay, yeah. I got a four-wheeler trail that's 180. up in Hillsborough here in Cincinnati, but, like, I don't have to cut the grass and shit. Like, it's not my responsibility to do those. But, like, yeah, that, it's a lot.

It just depends on what you want, man. Like, now I'm on a golf course. Yeah. Which I only got, like, four or five acres. Uh-huh. Four acres. But, like, it's huge. 17,000 square feet in the pool, you know what I mean?

All right. And golf balls out of the backyard. Anything, all right, so anything else before we let Pat go? No, I don't. Hey, man, shout out to my show. Shout out to your show. The Adam, Pac-Man,

Pac-Man Jones show on Bet Online. Go over there and put some money on it, bet online. We only did 20 million views in the last five months, my boy. Talk that shit. Shout out to my whole team, though. Like, without my team, I wouldn't beat shit.

Shout out to the team. Shout out of my team, and Bell Online. A.G. Rome, all the people in the back that does the family and shit. and shout out to me for dealing with myself every day. No, shout out.

Shout out to you, Mark, man, for real. To talk about and doing it politely raw. You know what I mean? Like, some people don't want to really tell how they feel like me. I'm a no filter. Do care about what people think about what I say, but I don't. To an extent. To an extent.

Yeah, I don't. I don't. I really don't. Like, I don't go out trying to hurt nobody or nothing. but like I talk about what I want to talk about. Right. If you're playing bad, I talk about the play, not the person. And if you're a shitty-ass person, I will tell you you're a fucked-up-ass person.

I respect that. I respect that. Like Justin Tucker. The white boy get these same charges. We ain't seen this shit on ESPN, NBC, ABC, ABC, CBD, D, everybody. Everybody's keeping that on. They keep, yeah. The black bulls over here jacking his dick under these.

massage is. Right. Everybody was talking about. Right. Shit crazy, man. Yo, Pac, listen, man, I definitely want to put it in the damn hole. I got to come down for that. We got to shoot that. That sounds like a fucking time that I need to have.

I want to get into the golf shit. Before we go, you at the golf simulator. Can we see what your... Pause. Pause. Your drive game looked like? Pause. I said pause.

And you don't want to say stroke, but you stopped yourself. No, no, no, no. I wasn't going to say stroke. That's crazy. So I got the new club You gotta go get you on this It's pretty expensive My weight

I'm not paying $20,000 for no club, bro No I'm gonna get you a discount All right, I appreciate you This club right here is the secret weapon It's like in between a driver And a three wood A three

Three wood Okay Pretty sweet though Oh my God So my God So you guys them diamond turfs on your feet though i see them dions on your feet wrong bad for us by us why would i let's some left on there uh-huh

what got the sense did that make my wait oh y'all got me straight out for her too let's go what's the stat how far that went i'm busy too long still going 225 damn that looked like a light one too that's that's too on 20 more y'all's I'm not saying I'm not

I'm not about to say you just walked over there and just got right to it that's crazy that's right because I got a great team PXG that's why you know

so these clubs are forgiven they save my life bro pack listen you think I'm bullshit I need a whole I'm going to PXG I need a whole kit

I need a whole set up all right bro if you show us that you're golfing and you at me at least five times where you play nine holes we'll set you up.

No, we're 18. Oh, yeah, we did 18 already. I'm just saying, you can, you can, you guys show me five times you shoot 18. Right. Well, actually, that's even better for you. You shoot 18 three times, then, there you go.

Yeah. But I got to see that you really get off. No, I want to, I tell. I tell. God that want to get better. No, listen. It's shitty as hell. Terrible.

And once you connect with them, once you connect with. Right. It's like that first piece. You know what I mean? Okay. Trying to tell you, my boy. No, listen, I'm in. I'm definitely in.

Well, we appreciate you taking some of your time, kicking it with us Pac-Man, man, man. We big fans of yours. Definitely one of my favorite personalities. Glad I had a chance to sit down and kick it with you. We definitely are cross paths again in real, face-to-face, real time. Love everything that you're doing and keep doing what you're doing. We appreciate you.

Hey, I look at your show too, man. No, we appreciate it, man. Appreciate you, bro. Thank you, bro. Thank you, bro. Peace. All right, no problem. Peace.

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