New Rory & MAL - Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | Terrell Suggs

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

On this episode of Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball, the guys are joined by Baltimore Raven legend and future Hall of Famer, Terrell Suggs! Rory & Mal get into why Terrell hates this new generation of rappers, his first time hearing go-go music, and what made Aaron Hernandez so dangerous on and off the fieldSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Baltimore Ravens select a fucking dog. A dog of all dogs. I'm Arizona State University. We are joined by Terrell T. Cizzle, Suggs. How you doing, my brother? Legend.

What's heading? Thanks for having to me. Appreciate you coming on. The legend, Terrell, how are you feeling? How you been? I'm been good, man. Feeling really good. Man, I just, well, I can't say I just had a newborn baby here a year now, but he knew. Yeah.

He basically, he punked me. Running your life. Running your life. Running it. It doesn't look like you have any bags under your eyes, so that's a good thing. Yeah, I don't have it. Like, he's sleeping down. He's sleeping now, but the first couple months was, what was sleep?

Like, I didn't even know what sleep was. Yeah, for sure. I want to jump right into it with you, Terrell. I'm going to be honest with you, man. I was rooting for you. I thought that you would have gotten into the hole in the first ballot. I still cannot believe that Terrell Suggs did not Rory get selected to the Hall of Fame on the first battle. We're talking about a guy who is probably number eight all-time in sack.

Yeah, eight and NFL. I mean, number one for tackles for a loss. Yeah. I just don't. What do you have to do to get into the Hall of Fame at this point? Terrell, let's be honest here, man. For two Super Bowl? Like, what is the criteria now?

Two-time Super Bowl champion. Fucking, I don't know how many Pro Bowls. Terrell, let's be honest here because that's what we do here, man. We talk it real. We keep it real. How disappointed were you in not being selected as first ballot? I was extremely disappointed. I ain't even going to lie.

I was hardbroken when I was. I was extremely disappointed because, you know, I'm like the first Raven that didn't get in on a first ballot. Insane. Insane. J-O-in on his first ballot. Yeah. He was his first ballot. Yeah.

You know, um... Is that in there yet? Ed Reed. Yeah. Ed Reed was his first ballot. And, you know, like, I didn't want to. want to be the Raven that was a finalist, you know what I mean, and didn't get in on the first ballot. So I was disappointed. But like later that day, I saw Shannon Sharp. Yeah. What was he

doing? He, he went to be his brother. Yeah. And I was, all right, yeah, I'm disappointed. But that's what it's about. You know what I mean? Like, that that was dope. You know what I mean? I'm going to be honest, man. That that was that was absolutely crazy. And, you know, just being honest with you, I feel like it has a lot of, a lot to do with politics. There's no other, there's no other reason why Terrell Suggs is not a first battle of whole of fame. Yeah, I think, you know, they say they look for any reason not to get you in. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know, man. It's whatever. Like now, like, if it, if it does happen, you never know, you know what, because they made T08 three years, like. Which is, which is crazy again. Which is crazy. Yeah. crazy.

If you're doing sit up in your driveway. Definitely was the first ballot hall of family. 100%. You know what I mean? So, like, they made T.O.8 three years. So, like, I just don't think, like, they will get the genuine, like, shock that they want. You know what I'm saying? Like, you want that, not, you want that genuine, but it's like, y'all late.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. You know, like, you know, like, to the party. Right. I mean, it is what it is, man. Life goes on. The sun will ride.

You know what I mean? The sun came up. Yeah. And like I was having a bad, like I said, I found I didn't get in, I was having a bad day. And my baby was having a good one. You know what I'm saying? Right. It was just like, it was a silver line.

And I was like, man, I'm all right. I'm still ahead on points. That's the fact. Coach Bill Belichick had some great things to say about you. He said, I hope I'm not misquote him. We had to double team him every play. And if you have to double team somebody every play, that's a Hall of Fame

and Coach Bill Belichick's book. So, I mean, I still don't understand it, but what you did throughout your career, you know, your stats and the way you played, the intensity that you brought to the game is, you know, something that they can't take away and they can't erase. So, I mean, I think it happened one day,

but it's politics, man. That ain't for us. You did what you had to do. Whenever it happens, it happened, man. Yeah. You know, I can't, I got to keep on. living, you know what I mean? I got five kids now. There you go. There you go. I got to continue to be dad. Yeah. Let's take it back to the beginning of Terrell. What was it like growing up in Minnesota?

Like that's, that's one of the cities that you find out somebody's from Minnesota, you like, really? Like, you never really meet. Growing up in New York City, we don't meet people from Minnesota. What was it like? What was it like growing up in Minnesota? And did you purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka? I did not. But I'm glad I saw that because I didn't want to play with toys no more. I know exactly what I went. It's very cold. You know what I'm saying?

It's very cold in Minnesota. And it's also like, it's a jungle in the sense of athletes. You know what I'm saying? People don't know just how competitive like Minnesota is. You know what I mean? And like I was just telling my girl the other day, I was like, It's like out of, there's 12 Terrells out of 10 kids, you know what I'm saying? Like, because, like, you, you had to ball, like, Joe Maur.

People don't know that Joe Maurer was the only player on an inner city team, and he was the best player. Right. Like, like, Joe Maurer, like, is a legend in Minnesota, especially in St. Paul. Yeah. Like, he played, like, he played, you know, you played midget and pee-wee ball. He was in, you know what I'm saying? He was eight when we were 10. And he was the best player, dominated.

Not just in football, but basketball. Yeah. You know what I'm man? Like, in Peewee football, they pretty much let Joe kind of like, like, he can audible. Like, had you heard of being audible and hit football? And pop Warner. You know what I'm man?

Like, the kid had it. You know what I mean? Like, I go to say, I needless to say, like I said, like, it was just a, a slew of kids, but, you know, it's all in the, it's like a concrete jungle, you know, all on top of each other, you know what I mean? It's like they, they don't, like, I tell my kids all the time, like, we didn't have the kind of like resources y'all have and like people can see y'all play. Like, it was like hard to make it out. You know what I'm saying? In the inner city because you didn't, you know, you didn't have, you know, streaming and,

and, you know, the internet, the internet just came online, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't as vast as it is now. You know, what I'm saying, but, like, we just had kids upon kids, like, that just had gold. You know what I mean? So, like, when I moved to Arizona, I was, like, 15 years old, they'd never seen nothing like me. They were, like, you're 15? I was like, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I was kind of like a manchild or something like that. You know what I mean? So, like, Minnesota, like, people need the one thing they don't know about Minnesota. They know it's cold, but they need to know about. the talent in Minnesota. You know, the girl, Paige Bucket just went number one,

Minnesota. You know what I'm saying? Larry Fitzgerald, Minnesota. Of course, Jay Sizzled, Jaylen Suggs, you know what I mean, Orlando Magic,

Minnesota, you know what I mean? But we got some things up there, you know what I mean? On the Mighty Ducks? Yeah. Mighty Ducks. I couldn't skate, though. You know what I always wanted to be a duck,

but I couldn't skate. The nice thing. You know, when black people We only want to play hockey for the fighting. That's it. That's it. You know what I'm saying? It's like,

what's happening? Right. You know, show our skills. Was there any print sightings when you were out there? I mean, I know you're only there for 15 years, but. No,

he also like, he wasn't floating over the city. Legend. First Avenue, baby. Yeah. First Avenue. You know, him and Moore's Day in the time, but we never,

there's a mural of prints, but I've never seen him. Did you, did you feel like when you moved to Arizona, did you feel like, um, growing up in Minnesota, kind of like you were ahead of the curve against other kids in Arizona because you had come from such an environment that was cold. Yeah, I did with the element to the weather and things like that.

I felt like, like I said, because of the talent level, like the talent pool, it was so crowded. You know what I'm saying? If you wanted to stand out, you had to stand out. Your game had to do it for you. You know what I mean? You couldn't talk in there, but, you know, you come down the nice sunny Arizona. They're living good. They're comfortable.

You remember when Kilmunker walk up in Wakanda, like y'all, like, I'm hungry. You all are going to be comfortable, you know what I'm saying? So it was kind of like that. Like, think of that. When Kilmonger showed up in Wakanda, that's exactly how it showed up in Arizona. I was like, oh, this is for a take it. Yeah. It wasn't 12 Terrell to every 10 kids, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. It was more like four. Right. And I'm like, oh, oh, I'm going to tear these odds up. Yeah, I'm saying. And it kind of spoke for itself. Yeah. Culturally, what was that shift like?

Because, I mean, it's not like you moved from New York to Philly where, yeah, it's different, but it's still sort of the thing. That's like polar opposites of the country. I tell, yeah, I tell my girl and I tell my sons all the time. I'm like, yo, when I left Minnesota and I arrived in Phoenix, I had hope. You know what I'm saying? And it was just like, yo, I could do something. I could make it. I'm like, yo, this could be my life.

You know what I'm saying? Like, people don't realize like Phoenix is like paradise. You know, I'm saying? Every day. You wake up in paradise every day. The weather's beautiful, except in the summer. You know, we get 120 and 125. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous. Yeah. But, like, when I got here and I saw just like, everybody was happy. And you, you see these nice houses, big houses and land and no snow. And it was just like, like I said, when I moved to Phoenix, I had hope. I was like, I can do some of my life. Like, I could potentially make it. If I go all in, like on myself, I could potentially make it.

And I did. I end up getting a scholarship, you know what I'm saying? Like, that change of scenery was, did everything for me. What was the reason your family moved to Arizona? The winners. My dad, he had lung cancer. Okay. and the winners was too hard on him.

And, like, he would have to miss work for, like, weeks and weeks at a time. Because the wind was so bad, you know, you're in the inner city. You poor. It ain't like you got reliable car with reliable heat and anything like that. So, like, the winters was too bad for him. My auntie had already lived down here. So he backed us up and moved. Backed up his boy and moved down here.

What were you thinking? Because, I mean, 15, you got friends. You settled. I was like, you were established. I didn't want to go. So what I was. I was thinking I was like, yo, I'm just going to get in some fights, be bad, get kicked out of school, get sent back.

You know what I'm saying? That was your plan. Yeah. I was like, I'll be back in about, about, about, I said, but it would take me about a month, too much, you know what I'm saying? But like I said, when I got down here and I was just like, yeah. Wow. Yeah, I could do this.

Yeah, I can do this. Yeah, I can do this. I was never going back. What was the music scene for you like growing up? What was some of the artists that you listened to? two growing up in high school, middle school. Like, what was some of your favorite artists that you listened to? Middle school?

Two-Pock Shakua. Definitely, I'm a Tupac guy. Big on Pah. In high school, it became JZ, but most importantly, DMX. I was the DMX through and through is the reason I went bald early. I probably was going to go bald early anyway, but DMS came out in 90s. he had the dog collar, you know what I'm saying? So I shaved all my hair off.

Okay. And my hair never really grew back. Started barking in the A gap? Yeah, I started barking at people and you know, and talking like, you know what I mean? Like when you're 16, you got identity crisis. Yeah, of course. Anybody who that's hot, you're going to try to emulate.

Yeah. But, you know, my roommate to tell you, like the first thing I hung up when he came, like when we met and when we went to college was my DMX poster. You know what I mean? Not as dark as hell out, the second one.

Okay. Flesh of my flesh, blood of my blood. You know, he had that, no, I had both of them. Okay.

Blood on, dripped on them. And then the other one he had where he was just, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. That first,

um, album. Yeah. Like DMX was high school. DMX and JZ was high school. I mean, 98 to 2000, I feel like it was that,

the age old of, of X versus JZ. X versus Jay Z. You chose X? I chose X, definitely. I think X was, you know, because, like, Jay Z was quote-unquote, you know, he had like that big daddy flow. You know, he had the pretty boy, you know what I'm saying?

They were champagne, you know, X was street. Yeah. You know, X was hood. Absolutely. We ain't popping champagne. You're like, no, I'm walking my dogs, my pit bulls, you know what I'm saying? Like, X was just gruddy, whereas Jay Z was like, all right, yeah, you know, get the girls, we're going to go party, big pimping and all that, but like, yeah,

was street. You know what I'm saying? Like, X was it, man. Was Arizona more on the West Coast shit when you got there? But, I mean, I know it started to die down a bit around that time. Yeah, no, they, they were big on the West Coast. I mean, I think Arizona, they really cling kind of like to the, to the L.A. music scene. I think artists here kind of like, their flows try to be, like, similar.

You know what I'm saying? Like, but I don't think they really venture out. Like, they don't have their own, not here in their, not here in Phoenix. They don't have their own, like, musical kind of like niche or their own style. Like, you know, Bay Area rappers, they're not L.A. rap. Right. They got their own thing, you know what I mean? So, like, Phoenix, yeah, I think they just kind of, like, cling to the L.A. scene.

Mall's into the Chicano rap, so I know that's big out there. I mean, it's all rap, man. I'll listen to anything, man. Whether it's good or not, I just want to hear it. Let me know if this is the sound coming out of this city. I'm like, all, let me hear it. If it's trash, I'm going to let you know. Like, I can't get into that.

It's not for me. Yeah, and it's like, you know, when we grew up, we was really big on, on, on, like, lyrical ability, lyrical talent. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You just get a nice little repetitive beat and it's a clingy little saying, maybe a little dance or TikTok, you know what I mean? Get your song put on TikTok, and that's what they consider hot now.

Yeah. I mean, like, when we grew up, you really had to have talent. Absolutely. And, like, like, the women really had to have talent. Like, you had to be able to spit with the men. Right. Now it's just kind of what they call, like, stripper rap. Yeah.

You just got to look good. How good is your pussy? Yeah. You know, you got to break a bag and all this other shit. But, like, like, evening, they had to spit. Yeah, Foxy Brown. Yeah. And remember, they used to put them girls in, like, gauntlets.

and have to go round for round with the men. Like, no, you weren't just rapping against other girls. Yeah. You know, they had to rap against the boy. Right. That's why, you know what I'm saying? Like, those, that era of women rappers, like, they kind of, like, it's a difference.

They're their own brand. Absolutely. Don't get me wrong. There's some rappers, there's some female rappers now, I think, that got talent. Like, I think Meg really can flow. Absolutely. Glowrell is fire. Glowrilla, yeah.

I love gorilla. I think Lotto really can flow. Absolutely, yeah. Lado's fine. That one girl, Lady London, you know, I don't think she made the stream yet. She can flow, like, it's some girls that don't do the stripper rap. Doja Cat can really rap, too. Yeah.

They have a good balance of rap. I kind of put her more, like, in pop, like, R&B. I feel like, I don't know because I don't buy, like, a Doja rap, like, album. but I wouldn't mind like smashing. You know what I'm saying? Definitely a little bit. She's sexy. You know what I'm saying?

She's in my algorithms too. Yeah. For non-musical related things. You know what I mean? Like I kind of see like she can go in either category but I see her more as like an R&B single or a pop.

Yeah. Check out her most recent album. That was last year, right? Yeah. She's rapping on that. It's a little less pop than. She had to paint the town red or something on that. That was a single on it.

Yeah. That album was crazy. at her naked. Trying to paint the town. I love that she's natural. She had no BBLs in her. Yeah. Yeah.

Your T, you're a home. You are like, you just, you know who I am. Yeah. It's a beautiful relationship. You know I am. She knows what kind of man I am. What do you think about the music

your kids listen to? I hate it. I hate it. Like, there's nothing against the artists that they like. You know what I'm saying? It's just,

what I get from my, like when my son's like playing the shit loud in his room, I'm like, that shit trash. And he like yelling it throughout the whole house. Who is he listening to, though? Who is he listening to? Who is he listening to? Rod Wade. Like, he loves, like, ride way.

Okay. He's like, forcing themselves to be depressed. And he, like, thought him by his whole government. And I'm like, dude, he's nasty, man. Like, get off, like, get off of it. Like straight up So I don't like soft parenting I like that

Yeah He like rock No we don't do soft parenting That don't work for us No I'm the only one that's allowed To have big feelings Yeah

All my kids Are habitual line steppers It's like No matter how many times I yell at them Or threading them Or take shit They just go

They Teenagers are weird Yeah They know dad got a soft spot Man They know dad got a soft spot Would you You know I do

They know I do I do more threatening than anything. Oh, of course. You got to. Yeah. Yeah, I do more threatening than anything, but they, their music is trash. If your son wanted to go to the Rod Wave show in Phoenix,

would you go with him? It was actually out here. No, I did not go with him. I let him go by himself. And I almost killed him as if you walk back up in here at like 3 a. I was like, oh, I'm going to kill him. I'm like, come on now. I'm like.

No, but Rite Wave is, you know, it's not for me, but it's not for me, but it's like the more, you know, I want to be depressed. I'm going to out depress everybody. Is that what that is? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's like the out. It's like I'm going to be sad than anybody. Yeah, it's like sad cosplay because you could tell like he's rich and happy. Yeah. But he's just be crying.

I can't do it. He's faking suicide at the show like. Uh-uh. Oh, my God. Just fake jumping off buildings and shit. I can't do it. Like, uh-uh. That move, that's just not for me.

Shout out to them, but like, you know, a lot of these new artists, they got like their own following. They got their own wave. Yeah, he does arenas. They're going to move regardless. Like, like Kevin Gates. I think I probably only heard maybe like one Kevin Gates song in my life, but the dude has constant motion.

Yeah. His concerts be selling out. Yeah, get a chick on stage, spit in her mouth. I'm like, you should, you should actually. listen to Gates, though. Because if you love X and JV, Gates could spit, yeah. You're actually from his music. Yeah. So the thing is, like, his

interviews kind of, like, scare me off. That was just a crazy kid. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Come on, man, you're going to smash your cousin. It's not in the music at all. Even if you being for real, you can't say it. Yeah, yeah. Now, his music,

his music, I think his music, you growing up on the same type of music we grew up on or I grew up on, I think that you were to appreciate some of the Kevin Gage shit, though. Really? And a lot of his content. It's similar to X as well. He's definitely more on the grimy side.

He's not rapping about weird shit like fucking his cousin or anything, I promise. Yeah, he's like, you gotta check it out. No, Gates. You gotta check him out. I was scared too when I would see like the genius shit. And I saw a few freestyles, but it didn't convince me enough to like go to the album. I love Kevin Gates now. Really?

He can really rap. Yeah. I think you'll like it. I'm going to check him out. You learn something new every day. We're going to check in with you in a month and see if you listen to any of the Kevin Gay's shit. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm going to be watching. You'll make you see if you posting any videos or his music in the back. I'm going to be following your social just to see what you're doing. But I think you'll fuck with Kevin Gates, though. I want to say, all right. We're going to see. Check back in a month. Yeah.

I actually have this fear with my daughter. I mean, she's only two years old. But once she gets older and I want to start playing her the music I grew up on, I'm almost convinced she's going to think it's trash and it's going to break my heart. Like, have you played your kids, X, JZ, any of that stuff? And they just looked at you like, why would you like this? Yeah. That's one of my fears.

They haven't said it was trash, but they just like, nah, you old. They're like, nah, that's old, dad. That's old. You need to listen to this or listen to that. Like, my daughter, like, loves, like, little baby. I like little baby. He's a person, like, in their era, like, their genre of music. I think he makes really good music.

Yeah, for sure. Like him. I like Gunna You know what I'm saying Like There's a few of them I do Like I like the baby You know what I mean

Okay Yeah babies though He seemed like Like he part of the institution Like he would be a raven You know what I'm saying Yeah Yeah

Like he's like one of us Like Yeah Ravens like we're all A little fucked up Yeah Yeah Y'all are special

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah We're raven It's just it's just us I didn't know how to pick him Yeah

That's a fact That's the fact Is that like Do you feel that immediately in the locker room. Like your rookie year, did you look around and like all these, I have not met these guys, but I could tell they're just like me. Okay, so the vet, like.

Who was your vet when you came in? Adelaus Thomas. Okay. A.D. A.D. was my vet. He's like, we got a great relationship. He's still like a big brother to me. We still got a good relationship.

But like, they hate me, all right? Like, they like, are you a rook? We're going to welcome you to the NFL. and we're going to see you. You know what I'm saying? We'll see what you got. And like, by the end of the chair and the camp, they don't know, all right, if you're one of us or you're not.

You know what I'm saying? And I had to go through, you know what I'm saying, my traditional hazing, but it was kind of like, after a while, it got became fun. It started. It was just like, man, these motherfuckies like, this is some bullshit. You know what I'm saying?

We can play ball. But then it got fun. And then, like, they started warming up to your personality. And then you're like, oh, we all are the same. We're just a different brand of Kool-Aid. Some of us is great fruit, brunch, strawberry. You know what I'm saying? We just are our own different brands of the same product.

You know what I mean? But it was dope. So AD was my vet. And yeah, like, I kind of, I wouldn't say, like, because training camp, your first training camp is a bitch. Like, it sucks. It's long. You getting your ass kicked every day.

Like, your first training camp sucks. You know what I'm saying? But, like, after training camp, I was like, we're pretty dope. This is a pretty dope group of guys. And it was, like, the first time I ever been a part of a team that had, like, more than one doll. You know what I'm saying? Of course, there was the alpha male. But then all them captains underneath him, underneath general, like, all badasses, you know what I mean?

You go down in dark alley with everybody under him. is like, all right, we all ass kick, we dole, let's go do this. You know what I'm saying? So, like, it was the first team that I ever been on that I wasn't the top dog. And then, like, it was like, not only am I not the top dog, it's like 10 of us. Right, yeah, right. All of us do this. Everybody can play, yeah.

Yeah, it was dope, man. It was real dope. Yeah, y'all had one of the best defenses, well, for a few years, the deal. defense of the Baltimore Ravens. That's what y'all hung your hat on. When you first got to the league, who was the first player that you lined up across that you realized like, oh, shit, this is a different level? Jonathan Ogden.

Of course, he was on my team. Yeah. He was the first person that I realized, like, dude, this ain't college. Like, you're not the shit you did in college. You don't be able to do all that shit up here. You know what I'm saying? So, Jonathan Ogman. he was just like this big

ass gentle giant never got angry anything and he just kicked your ass every day and then five hey man good job never raised this boy so not teammate that wasn't my teammate the first person I went up against well I can't well he was my teammate in college

so Levi Jones I played against him like he was like the very first athletic tackle I ever played against but I played against him in college you know we were teammates in college. So Levi, we always had our battles, but I would say the first person that I would probably say really got after me or like, whoop my ass, Willie Roof, you know what I'm saying?

Willie Rope was huge. You just beat the shit out of me. And that wasn't like my rookie year. I was like two or three years in. Willie Rope shit out of me. Both of his guards were tough. Brian Waters and Will's shit. You know, the chiefs, they were really tough.

And Walter Jones, he was like a six, six, six, seven left tackle that ran like a four, five or a four six. He was like, freestly athletic. Like, he was just cheating, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like Walter Jones, like, I've had some battles with them dudes. Yeah. So, yeah. Who's the toughest stuff running back?

Huh? Who's the toughest running? back. Who's the tough is running back? Brandon Jacobs. So we played this motherfuckering at a preseason game. Brandon Jacobs is the biggest linebacker. You know, he's like $4.250, 260.

Yeah. And they got me off the ball, motherfucking playing off the ball linebacker. And everybody knows, like, my game is not back there. Yeah. You know, I'm at the line of scrimmage and going forward. Yeah. But this particular play, I'm off the ball. and this motherfucker had a cut back

like the run is away and he cut back and it's just being him. Now I'm not going to say I lost this battle but I didn't win it either and it seemed like I was trying to like tackle this motherfucker for like a minute

and I'm thinking like yo what the fuck is this badass defense at that we supposedly caused us like we're supposed to be swarming we all supposed to be hitting this motherfucker and I'm supposed to get him by myself So I smashed right in to Brandon Jack. Bam.

Like, no, this was 20 something. This was about 20 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm still talking about this hit.

I'm like, that collision, like, I'm like, yo, that's not for me. If I got to do that shit for a career, I'm not going to be here very long.

Brandon Jacobs was a dog. Adrian Peterson. Oh, he was a fucking dog. And nobody knows this guy. His name was like Kevin Jones. He went to Virginia Tech. and he played for the Detroit lion

and the dude only knew like one tempo he's like the un to me he's the unfamous Marshawn Lynch like he just always was on and you know but this is when Detroit wasn't good they didn't have like good block and tight ends and good offensive line and so he didn't have

he never got to show what he really could do but that kid under behind a good offensive line or a good running scheme, he easily could have, like, led the league in Russian. You know what I'm saying? Like, Kevin Jones was a dog. Like, yeah.

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Do you think that because you played that at some point in your career, that kind of helped you? Because I think you still do lead the NFL all time and tackles for losses. Do you think that that that, yeah, I think so. Do you think that because you played that position, you're able to read the running back a little better than most guys on defense? I think somewhat, I think playing running back,

I think it helped me like with my feet, just kind of like, you know what I'm saying, with my footwork. So I think it helped in that aspect, but you got to understand, like, who we're dealing with here. Like, we're talking about the best of the best. You're playing, you're starting. a starting NFL

running back is the best in the world. You know what I mean? Especially then. This is when they actually ran the ball. Right. Wasn't so fast happy like it is now. Right. Like they was in you.

Three type in running powers and plunges. You know what I'm saying? Counter. They don't do that shit no more. You know what I'm saying? But like this is when like the back was was the most important. You know what I'm saying?

If the quarterback, then it was the running back. Mm-hmm. And then receivers. Now, of course, the quarterback and receivers, you know what I'm saying? Because it's a pass happy game. But this is when you was facing against a Hall of Fame back almost every week. Right. And then you had the backs coming that had that crazy speed, the Chris Johnson and Reddy Bushes.

You know what I'm saying? People don't know that. Like, Fred Taylor, he's 6'3, 220 pounds. He runs a 4-3. Right. You know what I'm saying? This is when. The bats were bats.

AP all day. They call them all day long. Like, we had the Pro Bowl. You know, you had the Pro Bowl with your family. We out there getting drunk. This is out there drinking water. Like, nobody called on. We're in Hawaii.

He broke the Pro Bowl Russian record. Dude out there, we like, dude, you do we realize this is the pickup football game? Like, we don't try to win until it's poor court. And then, oh, I'm trying to win the MVP. I'm trying to break the record. He's drinking water. out there on business. Yeah.

It was like when Sean Taylor knocked that punch out. It was the game of him. Yeah. You know, when you go to Pro Bowl, from the moment you get on the plane, they start feeding you my tides. Like, you're like, I'm getting drunk. I'm getting drunk a whole week. Like, if y'all see me sober, then I failed you. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not doing the Pro Bowl right. You know what I mean? And like, all of us were getting drunk. He was the only person sober. And went out there and ran for like two and 30 yards. And it's the world's best football players. Insane.

World's best hungover football player. Yeah. World's best hungover, football player. Yeah. What was it like? Pro Bowl, baby. What was it like in the locker room and just being around the legend that Ray Lewis is? Man, it was dope.

Like, you know, chorus, you know, where boys come, we can't say everything that was said and done and stuff like that. But, like, dude was a, like, it's not a facade. You know what I mean? Like, dude is a real leader. Like, that's who he did. The Ray Lewis, y'all. is the Ray Lewis he is. Like, it's not, that's why

it's so enticing and intriguing, you know what I mean? Like, intriguing. Like, like, dude, that's who he is. And, like, he's a leader. Like, he got, he got a relationship with everybody. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. So, like, of course, you know, you intimidate. You're like, oh, shit, it's Ray Lewis. It's just like being on a team with Michael Jordan. You know what I'm saying? Like, the first time a rookie got on the team

and told Michael Jordan and be like, you know, that's Michael Jordan right there. Like, you didn't see everything this dude and did. And in my rookie year, he won player a year that year too. He won in 2000 when they won the Super Bowl. And then my rookie year, he won

player to year only for A.R. to win it the next year. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, this is the locker room I'm in. You know what I mean? Not to mention, all the other psychotic motherfuckers we got up in there, like the A.Ds, the Peter Bullwheres, the Bart Scott,

you know what I'm saying? Greg. Jerry Johnson. You know what I'm saying? Chris McAllister, years later we got DeWan Landry, but like we had guys. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Like our personnel was crazy, you know what I'm saying? And the only reason we only got one Super Bowl is because, like, a lot of those times we didn't have an offense. You know what I mean?

Like, we ended up losing in a playoffs because we couldn't score. But first time you walk in that locker room, like, and you, like, see him and you see how he carries, like how his day-to-day.

First thing I know is about Ray Lewis, he like always had a gallon of water. I'm like, dude, why you walk around with a gallon of water for you? You know what I'm saying? Like, you didn't get no gatorade? Like, no, you know, I'm saying? I got to hydrate, you know what I'm saying?

I got to keep everything moving. Like, he's the extreme professional at like all times. You know what I'm saying? And of course, you know, he lets his hair down, you know what I'm saying? Back when we all had hair. You know what I mean?

Like, he wanted to the guys and shit. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? He participated. We threw a racial draft, you know, like on, uh, Dave Chappelle, like you got the draft. So we had one of the guys on our team.

And Ray Lewis, like the first person, he drafted was the owner. Like, yeah, we're going to click the owner. We're drafting the money. You know what I'm saying? I know he was on the table. White liaison and he gets the pick. All right, which one of the brothers he gets, you know, they get the two. It was all fun, man.

Yeah. It was a great locker room. It was a great locker room. It was because, you know, him and Ed Reed were our leaders. You know what I'm saying? When y'all went out, was it more Baltimore or D.C.? DC. You can't hang out of Baltimore. Ain't no hanging out of Baltimore.

Wasn't sure if you went to like a Baltimore club music type of Bob or something. But, yeah. Like, like you. And your facilities were in West Baltimore, right? Yeah. Like, like, our city, like embraces. Like, we're there. We're like their family members, right?

Yeah. Don't have a bad game. And when the old boy see you out, man, like, you're going to hear it. And you're going to be like, man, man, fuck out of it. Man, it's a game. Like, man, what the fucking? You're going to lose it. You know what I'm saying?

If you have a bad game, the city going to let you know. Right. You know what you're out there doing that fuck shit for? You know what I'm saying? The wire was real for sure. The wire is real. They didn't skip a single scene.

I think, I think definitely like HBO had to like dilute that shit. They're like, we got toned this down a little bit. Like we'll never get up there. You know what I'm saying? But the wire is definitely real. Like Baltimore is Baltimore.

It's a real scene. You hang out in Baltimore. You better have your affairs in order. going out in DC and Baltimore well not Baltimore but DC Club music was a shock to me the first time I heard club music going out like Baltimore Club music is different and Go-Go music

is wild to me too I love it now but like I was initially kind of thrown back the first time I heard that type of stuff was that crazy coming from Arizona to then going out in DC and hearing Go-go right right so like you're like what the fuck is this shit this is repetitive as like house music you know what I mean you're like

I can't get no honey to this. You know what I'm saying? But they go crazy over it. They go crazy over it. It's like their version of chopped and screw for Texas. Yeah, yeah. Like their own thing that they understand and they kind of like they feel and they get into a good vibe with it. It's like their fun party music, you know what I mean?

So, but, you know, the women are top tier. DMV women are some of the best in the world. you know men we're gonna go wherever the women and we're gonna like whatever the women like that's a fact. You know the go go boom next thing you know it's in the car next week when you pick them up like yeah you learn how do you to swing that shit dance

you know what I'm saying like yeah man I've been on this shit yeah absolutely now 2011 you won defensive player the year what was uh what was your playlist sounded like like what was your what was your pregame routine as far as like what you were listening to

working out like getting ready for the game what was in your ears It was definitely 50 cent. Because remember, the year of 50 is 2003. It's the year I was drafting. That's also the year of LeBron James. You know what I'm saying? But the 50 wave was crazy.

You know what I'm saying? And he got a song on there. It's called If I Can't. And every time I got introduced, they play it. It's like my theme song. Yeah. So I would say that would definitely in my playlist

like before every game if I can't and remember 2011 like Ray and it is still there so I didn't get introduced last so they wasn't playing the song they were playing Ray's song you know hiding here

but my playlist before every game and it happened up until my last game it was 50 cent if I can't of course like Ball So Hard that came out that year too Ball So Hard that watched the throne of Jay Zan Cyan.

Bolsa Har was on there. I got to think of it out. It was 2011, man. It was a good year. It was, oh, I think DJ Calitz on more than one. That's 2011. Okay, yeah. That may be 12.

Yeah, it was sort of the end of 11 going into 12 year. Yeah, like all of them is all like around that time. Mm-hmm. Around that time. It was a good time, man. What was Ray Lewis and Ed listening to in the locker room? For some reason, I feel like Ed Reed listens to like classical jazz in the locker room. He's a old soul.

He's Frankie Beverly and the maid. Oh, okay. Yeah, Ed Reed's a real old soul. You know, Isaac, brother, I think that's in there. Okay. Who's the, besides Frankie Beverly, you know, like they play it at all the cookouts. You know, like the. The gat band.

The gat band. Gab band. Like, these are all A. Reed people. You know what I'm saying? Ray, I think he's more gospel. Okay. That's hilarious.

Every listening to the gap band, Ray Lewis listening to the gospel and they'll both knock the shit out you. They'll both knock the shit out you. Will not the shit out you. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, one who all... It's probably the best ever to do it. The middle spot.

The best ever listening to gospel music before he takes your head off, before he put you on one of his highlights. You know what I'm saying? So I think, like, I think Ray was gospel. I think he had, like, you know what was big, because you know they're from Florida. What's big in Florida is, I want to say, like, the big timers or, or cash money. Yeah. Like cash money was, like, huge in Florida.

You know what I'm saying? And so, uh, I think he was listening in the, juvenile too. Okay. I think he had like, he started with gospel maybe and like right before he went out because he had to put the cape on, you know what I'm saying?

And the phone booth. So I think like right before he went out and put that juvenile at 400 degrees on. Mm. That 400. Yeah. Now in 2012, on your Super Bowl run,

you came back from an Achilles injury. You came back ahead of schedule, actually. What was you doing because to come back from, you know, Achilles, as you know, is one of the most devastating injury in sports. What did you do to kind of like get ahead of the schedule and return so soon? Like what was your workout regimen? I know you had a crazy playlist. Like, what was you going through? What mindset was you in?

I was like, I knew we were on the brink and I had just one player of the year and I just didn't want them to do it without me. I did want them to do it without me. So, like, doctor, you know, I had the best, you know, foot doctor in America, you know what I'm saying? And he's named Bob Anderson. He was like, Terrell, I understand. I deal with this all the time. I know you're an athlete. You're going to want to do stuff.

The best thing I'm going to tell you to do is to don't do anything. Don't try to work out your upper body. Don't try to, don't do anything for two months. He said the first two months, you can. gonna be miserable because you're gonna be so bored laying in the bed. So I basically, I got a hedge of schedule by not doing anything. I just stayed still, you know what I mean for two months. And then he was like, I'm gonna have you in a walking boot. And then from there, it's on you. You decide how fast you come back. So once I got in that boot, I would just working that motherfucker every day.

Like, I would just overdoing it. Like, you know, they tell you like, all right, you got to rehab it for at least an hour, hour and a half or two or a fatigue. I was doing that like two or three times a day. Like, I was, I was, I was doing three of days just trying to get it back. And that was like doing like, towards the end of the summer going in the training camp. And I was just running. And I was able, like once I was able to walk, I was able to speed walk. You know what I'm saying? And then speedwalks going to jogging, jogging, going like a little faster jog. And then you next thing you know, before you know, you're running. Right. And then you sprinting and then you got to get your explosion back, but then you got to get all your football and your timing and all that shit back.

But it was just a lot of man hours, man. It was a lot of, it was a lot of long days in man hours and my pain tolerance had to go up and I just put myself through it and I was able to get back. You know, of course, like I got back, but I still wasn't the same player I was like the year before. Right. Like, able to play. But I went back to myself. Like, I think I didn't really fully game back to being like myself probably to like 2014, like two years later. So it took like two years. Yeah. What's been the key to having a career as long as you had? Because, you know, obviously football players tend to have the shortest professional

career just off the physicality. 17 years that your position is very, very rare. What do you think the key was that you were doing? I would definitely say like being a professional like take care of your body because like of course when you're young you're ignorant

you don't know what you don't know you know what I'm saying you're not diet all the time you know what I'm saying and you can get it in shape in a week or two or whatever you know what I'm saying but when you get older

that shit ain't so easy you know what I'm saying you gotta watch what you eat like all the time you know what I'm saying bad enough like you know being an NFL player or professional athlete, your job is year-round anyway. You don't really get no off time.

Yeah, the season's off, but you're not off. You still got to train, you still got a diet, and all of that. You know what I'm saying? So when you're younger, you get away with being young. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can go hang out and still go to work out in the morning and not really affect you, you know what I'm saying?

Not so much when you get older. So when I got older, I had to cut all that shit out. And it's like, all right, I will do some. All right, I'll go hang out with the guys, like, on a Saturday. That way I got Sunday to kind of recover and go work out on Monday. So definitely the key, you have to be the ultimate professional. If you want to have a long career, your body is your number one thing. You got to always take care of your body, even the little ailments, your feet.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I had to start getting pedicures, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't start getting massage. until like my eighth or ninth year in the league. And I was thinking like, damn. I should have been doing this. My first four years, like if I did like got massages, sports massage, like my first four or five years in the league, you know what I'm saying?

And it took like, like, Hologina, he was like, Siz, you don't get massages? I was like, nah, I just never thought the guy would get one. You know what I'm saying? He was like, oh, no, he gave me a massage. And it was two girls. Like, they massage you at the same time. I know that's about.

Yeah, I know that's about. You know what I'm saying? There's two women. And like, I know it sounds like that. Yeah, yeah. It's legit. Yeah. Like, they like stretch you and turn you.

Yeah. That's when, and then I got into dry needle in. Like, I have a big fear of needles. Okay. So anything concerning the needle, I'm like, I don't know. I'm not doing it. Yeah. I mean.

But they started dry needle in, and that helps you recover fat. Like, it's painful. It hurts why you doing it. But the next day, it's like you feel brand new. It's like you never, you never was injured. You know what I'm saying? You have to take care of your body. And like, when I hurts all right with that gallon of water, man, like...

Took you back to the gallon. Yeah, because I'll look you back to the gallon. So, like, normal people should drink like a gallon of water a day. Like athletes, we should drink like maybe two, two and a half. Because we're moving and hitting each other, you know what I'm saying? we're active like all the time you know what I'm saying at extreme rate so definitely gallon the water you got to cut out the juices and shit yeah take the water take care yourself yeah I mean I know we're not really allowed to talk about it but the league just snubbed you so let's get into it

you're talking about physical health having a 17 year career and some of the things we've seen with former athletes from Aaron Hernandez, Juni Seow, have you focused on your brain health at all because you have had such a long career? All the time. I know the NFL wants to hide this and claim Hernandez was good. That's what made them do it. Every player, if you played at least three years,

like studies have shown just like, you know, of course, after, you know, some players pass away, like every player that played at least three years had, like, some small sort or trace of brain damage, you know what I'm saying? So when I had stopped playing, like, my last year was the 2019 going into the 2020 season, and then COVID happened. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So that weird shit happened.

And like, I felt my brain just kind of like, you know what I mean? I just didn't feel normal. So I was like, all right, I know the brain's a muscle. So I got to get this motherfucker working again. You know what I'm saying? When you're playing football, that's taking care of your brain because you're thinking. all the time. You know what I'm saying? But so, like, I had to

like get this machine working. So I just started eating books, man. Like, I had to really had to start, I had to use my brain. You know what I mean? I had to keep this motherfucker working because it's, like, it's real.

Like, real. Like, because what we do, we're hitting each other with our heads at very high speeds, like, repeatedly. Bam, bam, bam, you know what I'm saying? And like you said, I did for 17 years and I did it, you know what I mean, over and over. You know what I'm saying?

And yeah, so, like, of course, like, I'm paying attention to it and I'm checking my moods and stuff like that. But, like, mainly I just try to, like, read, you know what I mean? I do, I try to, like, do stuff to, like, get my mind working and then have to, like, you know, think of shit. Yeah. Is that something you guys talked about in the locker room or maybe amongst retired players? Is that actually, like, a theme that players talk about?

about a lot? It comes, like, we do talk about it. Like, we're not shy about it. We're not taboo. And, like, more so now than ever. You know what I mean? It's like you have to be aware because, like, every day you hear about some former player, like, clapping himself in a hotel room.

You know what I'm saying? So you got to, you know, check on, you know what I'm saying? your people. Right. You know what I mean? Like all of us, we all still kind of like in our group chat, like check in, like, yo, we, we good? Oh, that's dope.

Yeah, I love that. Really, you know, we just lost Jacoby. Yeah. We just lost Jacoby. So, you know, that hit all of us. And it was just like, you know, it's like, it's letting us know, like, it reminds us that how precious time really is, you know what I'm saying? Oh, that's the biggest misconception is thinking you have time.

But, you know what I mean? Like a citizen. We do talk about it. And, of course, like, former players talk about it because that's usually when it happens. You know what I mean? Like, when you're playing, you're too busy. You know what I mean?

You got your job and then you got your family, then you got your girl, and then you got your side piece or whatever, and you got your other, you know what I mean? Whatever else you got going on. You know, when you're playing, it's busy, but then, you know, you stop playing and it gets quiet. You know what I mean?

They say, the eye the minds, the devil's playing around, you know what I'm saying? So you got to be alert from all of that. What did you think of Will Smith's accent in concussion? I thought it was terrible. I thought he did a good job.

Did he get the information got out there? I just, I'm like, no, that's not no African accent. You know what I'm saying? But. It was like if I tried to do one. Yeah. It wasn't that good.

It wasn't that good. But movie was good, though. Movie was really good. Before we get into the trivia, we got some questions for you. But before we get into that, two questions. Ray Lewis or Lawrence Taylor? Ray Lewis. You answered that fast.

It's been an ongoing thing like, you know, LT, I think, like, LT kind of like, I don't know. I could be wrong. But like, LT, be like, no, I'm the linebacker, you know what I'm saying? but I'm like LT, like you had like a little edge, you know what I'm saying? Like you can't block nobody. That was the coach. You know, they're going to block him. He already was a phenomenal talent.

He had a little extra accent. Come on, now. It's just like, somebody blocking that shit, but, you know, great good, you know. Yeah. And he was just right. Yeah. Yeah. But I give the edge to right.

All right. And who was your most underrated quarterback you faced? And who was the most overrated quarterback? back you face. Who's the most underrated? Who was underrated? That was really good. I think Carson Palmer.

Oh, okay. I think Carson Palmer, like, I don't think he got his flowers because he did all his career in Cincinnati and it wasn't that good. I think they had one, like, playoff appearance in his time there. And then came down kind of like revamped his career. here in Phoenix. But like the kid, the man can make every throw.

You know, and like, you put Carson Palmer like with a good team. Yeah. He has at least three. Like, dude had talent. Yeah. I would say Carson Palmer.

Overrated? Who was, who was overrated? I think Philip Rivers is overrated. Absolutely. I don't mean, he didn't win any Super Bowls, so I don't think you could say it was over there. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, like, you only know the really good ones. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You only know the really good one. Of course, you got, you know, the guy from Foxborough 12, you know,

you got Peyton, Drew, you know, Raffles, Berger. I would say he's underrated. I mean, he's a two-time, you know, Super Bowl winner. Yeah. Played three. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would say Rafflesberger is underrated and like, like, he got more rings than Rogers. He got more rings than Breeze. You know what I'm saying? He got like more reins than, than Marino. Like, when you think about it, he's got, like, he got as many as Peyton and Eli. You know what I'm saying?

So I would say Rafflesberger. He's probably the most underrated. next to calls him forwarded it i don't know yeah and the steelers fans are so happy to hear about which i'll i would have to look and think and they were like oh this guy's that and i'm like he wasn't really like that but the ones who they say are like that the rogers the bradies yeah the man like they are like that like the motherfuckers can make your your nights long yeah pat mahomohms uh You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Like those guys, yeah. But other than that, like nobody really stands out. Everybody kind of like muddles in the pack. Yeah. I feel like in your 17 years, you saw like three eras of tight ends. Whether it was blocking,

then it was just a little five to six yard routes. And now these motherfuckers are running like Randy Moss. What was the most annoying tight end era that you faced? I would probably say, like the mid 2000 to the 2010 the Gates the Gonzalez

yeah motherfucking Kellen Winslow Jr. was a fucking problem this month like though he's one of those he's one of those

tight ends that run routes and shit like receivers yeah like Helen Winslow was a problem like he was too fast for linebacker and he was too big for DBs so

like the only person that can color Kellan was Ed Reed. Why? They played college ball together. You know what I'm saying? A part of that Kane's 2000, 2001 team, you know what I'm saying? So, like, Kellynne Winslow was a

problem. Vernon Davis. Problem. Right, Davis. You know what I'm saying? Like, people don't know this, but like Delaney Walker, he was on that Super Bowl team with them. It's a four three. Problem. Like, I can't cover them off. You know what I'm saying? Like, them era

of tight ends was a problem. Now, like, Kelsey's a problem now. Kittle, you know what I'm saying? Andrews, Mark. I'm missing one. There's another tight end that's there now.

Like, I can't think, but I said the big three. Yeah, I'm saying. But I mean, even, I mean, retired, but Gronk, and I mean, even Hernandez before that athletic, big as fuck, like, how do you know? Grunt was big as fuck. But, you know, Hernandez was like, he was a problem.

He would have been. Proud to the fuck up. Like, Aaron Hernandez was a fucking hell of a football player. Too bad, you know, he was a, that was his second job. Yeah. You know, he was a gangster. I was like, oh, shit. Terrell said, he's sick, dude.

I didn't, like, it wasn't just the incident that he got caught in trouble for it. It came out like, oh, you. You had been clapping this for a minute. Yeah. That was like a six body once he got caught. Oh my God. And like, I got into with this one fucking like on the field like a couple times. You ain't know what you was fucking.

You know what I'm saying? Like, the raven Patriot games got real chipping. I'm like, y'all beat the fuck out. Yeah. And he'd be like, y'all, I'll kill you. My fucking probably like telling the truth. When it comes out. He had gunpowder on his hand.

That was just stick on. about that action. For real, for real. He's not fucking around. He's not fucking around. Not even a little. Like, alone, he's like, we like, dog, I got to kill this guy

because he got information on two other people. Yeah. Yo, you, you said you got drunk before the Pro Bowl. Aaron Hernandez would smoke dust, murder somebody, and then go to the Pro Bowl. Yeah. And then go to Pro Bowl and murder people there. By the time.

In Hawaii. Literally, but on the field, like, Aaron Hernandez was a problem. Yeah. He was a problem. Yeah. He had arguably the best quarterback throwing to him, like, ever. Like, them Patriot teams were a problem, though. And it's because they had that two-headed monster and grunk and Hernandez.

Yeah. I think Antonio Gase and Vernon Davis kind of like were the leaders into that new transition that we have now inside us. it's two of them that look it was just like unfair yeah like gates like it was real deceptive gates about six two six three you weren't real big you know what I'm saying it wasn't like no ass kicker in the run he held his own you know I'm saying it wasn't like even though push over anything like that like Kellynne Willow didn't block at all right we do like when it was run all right boom we're playing 10 on 11 because Kellan ain't going to hit nobody or block nobody but when they was throwing that muffing that shit was a problem and like Gates

like he would route your ass up, like real fast. Like, no joke. Like, Gates for no joke. And Vernon Davis just had like lightning speed. Like, Vernon Davis was crazy too. For sure. Like that, that era, I think, it is, I would give the edge to. Because like you said, they had the grunt.

They had Hernandez. You know, they had, I would even put Tony Gonzalez in that late era. Yeah, for sure. that era. Yeah. I would get a heads to that. To them. All right, T.

Before we got out there, we're going to shoot three questions at you. I believe you have some questions for us as well. All right. So we're going to ask you a question first. And then you'll ask us to see how much, or find out exactly how much ball we do not know. So first question for you.

What song won best rap song at the 2011 Grammys? That's the year that you won defensive player the year. Was it A, Otis, Jayze, and Kanye? B, All of the Lights, Kanye Rihanna, Kid Cuddy. C, black and yellow, Wiz Khalifa, or D, look at me now, Chris Brown and Buster Rhimes. This is for Best Rap Song at the 2011 Grammys. Otis, All of the Lights, Black and Yellow, or Look at Me Now? I want to say black and yellow because that shit was everywhere, but I'm going to go with Otis.

No, it is all of the lights. Wow. Kanye and King Cudy. All of the lights with Rihanna and... I mean, that probably charted higher, but I'm with you. You could not escape black and yellow in 21. It was everywhere. Also, you were playing the Steelers twice a year at minimum, so...

Yeah, that's all you are. Yeah. No, you could not escape that. Actually, matter of fact, you couldn't escape. Look at me now, Chris Brown, I would say, over all the lights at that point. No, because, you know, Buster had that sick verse that everybody go crazy. And we still don't know what he said. We still have no idea what he said

Yeah, hell no All right, you got one for us? He murdered that shit, but is it my own? Yeah. Might go to ask y'all one? Yeah. All right. Okay, who was the quarterback

of the team we beat in the Super Bowl? The Super Bowl 47. Was it A, Alex Smith, B, Matt Ryan, C, Cam Newton, or B, Colin Kaepernet.

What year did you say it was? This was 2012. It's Colin Kaepernett? Yeah, Kaepernet. 49ers, yeah. Colin Kaepernet, yeah. It's when they turn the lights out on you, niggas. That's when they turn the lights on.

That was a rough move, we've been about to score, we've been about the money. You took a knee. Yeah, yeah. We should have put 50 up. Yeah, yeah, they had to unplugged the whole arena.

Like, hold up, this shit about to get up. Unplugged that shit. We need some more time back here. I just want to know. I want to be proud. I think that was the first question, Maul and I both got right in this entire series. Yeah, we know a little bit of ball.

We know a little bit. All right. Pretty good. Okay. All right. What song was number one on the Billboard Hot 100, the day you won the Super Bowl with the Ravens in 2013? Was it locked out of heaven?

Bruno Mars. Suit and tie, Jayzie and Justin Timberlake, thrift shop, Macklemore, or Diamonds, Rihanna? This was number, this was number one on Billboard Hot 100, the day that you won the Super Bowl. I would have got this wrong. Locked out of heaven, Bruno Mars, Sue and Todd, Jayzie and Justin Tim Blake, thrift shot, MacLamore, or Diamonds by Rihanna.

I'm only struggling with this. I want to say, I'm going to just go ahead and I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to say McClmore because I think he beat Kendrick that year for Best Rap album. Yep. So I want to say MacLamour. That is correct. You are correct. I would have went Rihanna Diamonds. Yeah.

I would have gone to go diamonds too. That would have been my guess. Of course, we thinking about the music we listen to and like we heard everywhere, you know what I'm saying, especially if we went out diamonds. Everywhere. I went out with the remix and shit. So diamonds were huge, but like I said, I remember Malcolm Moore beating Kendra and like the world was like, what?

He had to come from somewhere. He not only beat Kendrick, he beat Kanye Yeezus, he bit Drake, nothing was the same. He beat Magna Carta. He'd be like four classic albums. Yeah, and I was just like, oh, shit. I remember everybody like, what the fuck is going on with the Grammy? I couldn't even tell you the name of that Macklemore album. Me either.

I couldn't tell you a song on it. Still on that. I don't know. Thrift shop. The song you're talking about, I never even heard. Oh, there was the one he said he was gay. I remember that one. Yeah, that was bad ball.

All right. That's awful. Who have I sat the most times in my career? Was it one, Aaron Rogers, two, Ben Rufflesberger, three, Carson Palmer, or four, Tom Brady? All right, by elimination, I'm trying to think who you play twice a week. So, I don't know. I'm going to say Big Ben. Pittsburgh always had a good offensive line.

I'm going to say Big Ben. I'll go Carson Palmer just to have a different answer. Ben Ruffersberger. Ben Ruffer's Burger. I mean, you know, Rican Steelers game. I mean, it's the biggest rivalry in that division.

Big rivalry. So, Ben Ruffer's Burger. I was close, though. I think I got Carson, like, I think Carson's like second. Or no,

it's any Cleveland Brown's quarterback. It's any Cleveland Brown's probably not, too. Whoever was back to me. Whatever, whatever you had the first pick and, and drafted a quarterback and it didn't work. Yeah. He's on it.

Cleveland has always been really good to me. Pause before this question because Ben Rothesberger was bigger than most quarterbacks. Was he tougher to sack? That just felt like a weird question. Yes, he was.

And like, that's almost like when he became like, Ben Roth's, like, he became better. When the play broke down, he had to break a sack and he had to play like backyard football. Yeah.

That's what you don't play. Like, you want him in there just kind of playing quarterback. You don't want him playing streetball. Like Ben Rothensberger would light your ass up. Like, only person better than him at playing streetball, of course, besides Lamar Jackson, is Michael Vick. And those two are fucking phenomenal fucking athletes. You know what I'm saying?

That's a huge compliment. Quarterback. Yeah. Pat Mahomes, too, just putting Ben Rosserberger with next to them is crazy. That's right. Yeah, my holmes is good. I don't know what the fuck I was thinking. Pat Mahomes is good playing fucking street football.

You don't, but he's so good playing fucking pocket football too. Yeah. Yeah. Like, they would say, you know, playing in the pocket, it'd be Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes playing pocket football. But when they're getting loose and got to make a play, Vic, Lamar Raffersberger. Yeah.

So, yeah. All right. last question from us to you. Ravens fans were the first American team to popularize a chant to this song. The White Stripes Seven Nation Army, Montel Jordan, this is how we do it. The fans, Oleg, Oleg, or Queen, we will rock you. White Stripe, Seven Nation Army. Boom. That was the, that's the, that was the Raven Empire was the Raven Empire.

Absolutely. When Carballs got there from that 2008 to about that. 2012 2013 run that shit going crazy I could be wrong is the Ravens

the only team that has an actual marching band and live band at the game I think so I think so yeah that was

that was a shot to me to have a mascot named after a poem yeah you know what I'm saying we're the only team to have three defensive players

of the year drafted and play on the same team So that's crazy. We're so Ozzy Newsom, man. Like, what the hell's going? Ozzy, man. He should be the first person being in a Hall of Fame twice as a player and as a GM.

That's crazy. Absolutely. As a player and as a GM. He's that two Hall of Fame careers. Deserved that. Ozzy looks like he'll slap the shit out of you, too. Oh, he'll slats shit out. But, you know, Ozzy like, you know, he like our uncle, man.

Yeah. He's like a real good step. Yeah. The last question for y'all is, who has the most sacks all time as a linebacker? Lawrence Taylor, Bond Miller, Jason Taylor, or Kevin Green? Moe sacks all time? As a linebacker. Lawrence Taylor, who else was it?

Von Miller. Von Miller, Jason Taylor, or Kevin Green. I feel like I remember. Vaughn Taylor broke it. I want to say Vaughn because he played so many years. He's just laughed, so maybe I'll just take that as a hint. Lawrence Taylor? I'm just safe bet, LT.

Oh, I mean, I did LT and Vaughn together. Kevin Green. Great. Really? Kevin Green. I would never guess that. Wow. That's crazy.

Kevin Green. He was, they all, remember, he was in Pittsburgh with, you know, Yeah. Parkin and Greg Lloyd. Yeah. That D. And then he went to Carolina when dominating over there. Like Kevin Green was a dog.

God damn. I was a dog now. That's crazy. Kevin Green has the most sex as a lineback in the NFL. The lineback all time. Yeah, there's no way I would have got that wrong. Yeah, I was going to say Vaughn Miller because he played so long. But that's crazy.

Shit. All right. Well, fuck you. I guess we don't know ball, Roy. Hey, we got two right. No, we got two, right? too right. We know a little bit about ball.

I would say y'all do, yeah. A little bit, a little bit. Terrell, we appreciate you, man, for giving us some of your time today. Again, man, you know, I'm kind of, you know, fucked up that you didn't make the first ballot, Hall of Fame. But in my book, you're definitely a Hall of Fame. There's no doubt about it. Not too many players have played the game the way you did and did what you did for

organization like the Baltimore Ravens. It was a pleasure watching you play, but it was even a greater pleasure having you here today kicking it with us. So we appreciate your time, man. Thank you, brother. I appreciate that, man. It's been the most fun podcast I've done, man. I appreciate that. Here we go.

See if I got up on my Kevin Gates. Yeah, check out, check out Kevin Gates, man. Check out Kevin, man. We appreciate that, man. Anytime you in New York, come up to the studio, we'll do another episode. For sure. Let's do it. Appreciate you, bro. Thank you.

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