New Rory & MAL - Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | Tim Hardaway

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

On this episode of "Don't Know Ball" the guys are joined by NBA Hall of Famer, Tim Hardaway. Rory and Mal get a feel for what it was like playing in the Bay Area during the hyphy movement, his battles with the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden, the difference between Run TMC and Steph Curry's Warriors, and more! #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And with the 14th pick in the 1989 NBA draft, Rory? Yes, I was not born yet. The position of the point guard for me, well, yeah, you weren't born yet. But the point guard position for me changed forever when I saw this guy play. Today we are joined by one of my favorite players ever. Legendary point guard changed the landscape of what the point guard position looked like as far as I'm concerned in the NBA. One of the greatest handles.

We talk by handles, crossover. You can't have that conversation without this gentleman here. Today we are joined by the legendary Tim Hardaway, Senior. Put Senior in the end of that thing. Yes. How you doing, sir? I'm great man how you all doing thanks for having me on man you know uh yes put senior on that because i got junior playing yeah yeah junior junior looking good too junior junior junior's playing he's

looking good uh but um this is uh for me personally uh tim this is a uh a special day because like i said growing up uh watching you play uh you know what you did for basketball players here in new york city in the playgrounds um you know just seeing somebody on that NBA stage played a way you played. It reminded us of the type of style that we saw in the playgrounds here in New York City. So it's a pleasure to have you here today talking with us. Hey, thank you. Thank you. You know, I grew up in the city of Chicago and, you know, our basketball in New York and Chicago is quite similar. Yeah, a lot of guard play. Yep, a lot of guard play getting to the rim, knowing how to get to the rim, a lot of playmaking,

a lot of shaking and baking. Yeah. And you had to learn, and you had to know. how to play defense too. Yeah, and depending on what park you was at, Tim, as a guy from Chicago, you understand this. You had to know exactly how fast to get out of that park when it came was over. You know what, back when we was growing up, it wasn't like that. It wasn't like that. We knew all the game bangers. Yeah.

You know, the courts and parks was at safe haven. Yeah. We went out there and we played, and it wasn't no friction there. You know, it wasn't no, you know, nobody, no fights, no brawls, nothing like that. Yeah. Because we had the older guys there. Older guys, you know, really took care of the young guys, took care of the park, made sure the park was safe.

Yeah. Be sure it was safe haven. Make sure, you know, everybody was respecting everybody. But once you get away from the parks, you do whatever you want to do because it was kids there. Yeah. So I don't know how it turned because when I left, you know, things started getting tough. But when we was there, man. We had no problems.

Yeah. Yeah. How was the culture difference going from Carver High School in Chicago to the University of Texas, El Paso? What was the culture difference like going from the inner cities of Chicago to Texas El Paso? Life changing. Very life changing. You know, El Paso, great people, great city, a well-kept secret that a lot of people don't know about. people love to live.

You know, it's just a great city. They move at their own pace. Nothing phase them. They slow. Everything is slow there. You know, y'all probably get the music first or the movies first or whatever. They might get it, you know, three months, four months later. You know, that somebody come and bring it there.

But there was a lot of people from, you know, the East Coast going to Texas, El Paso, from New York, from New Jersey, from Philadelphia, from Illinois, Chicago area, Midwest area that went to U-TEP, that played football, that, you know, just wanted to get out the environment that they was in and went to another environment. Love El Paso. Love going back. Love seeing friends. And I had a great time there.

But, you know, basketball, Don Haskins. You know, he put African Americans on a map. Yeah. Yeah. When he beat it off-r-r-up with five blacks. Yeah. Starting and playing the whole game. Yeah. And, you know, they beat one of my coaches, Pat Raleigh when he was All-American. So, you know, Pat really don't like for me to tell this story. But, you know, it was a great story and a fantastic story. And Willie Worsley coached me in high school in New York. Oh, did he? Yeah, he did. Yeah. He did? Oh, great guy. Great guy. But, you know, you know, just going there with Don Haskins,

unless you was a super superstar, you wasn't going to play on his team. You had to learn. You had to come through the trenches. You had to wait your turn and pay your dues. And that's what I did. And that's why I tell kids today, you know, everybody wanted to make it to the NBA or NFL.

Everybody wanted to get that money right now, right now, right now. You know, I tell them, patience is a virtue. Right. patience, you know, work your way up, understand what you need to do, get your mind mature enough, get your body mature enough. So when it's time to go and play, you'll be ready to go and play. You won't have to go to the G League. You won't have to go there and learn and they teach you and they do this with you and they

do that with you. I wanted to come in and play right away, which I did in NBA. And, you know, Don Haskins and my teammates and El Paso groom me. for my career in the NBA. What was it like in the 80s, the music scene in Chicago for you? What was some of the artists that you remember listening to, getting ready to go to the park or go to the gym?

You know, we are big stepping city. You know, we step big house music. Chicago House is one of my theater genres. Oh, man, you know, house means. You go to house. You go, it's called how we call househeads, you know. Yeah. We go to house parties and, and dungeons and just, you know, you feel the music.

You're on the wall by yourself, just dancing by yourself. And of course, rap, you know, of course rap. Play a lot of rap. But, you know, once the house music came on, everybody just felt it. And it was like, you know, the Holy Ghosts going through your body, man. You just, you know, just, just dancing to it. And that's why you, you know, listen to more so house music. music, that rap, or R&B to get me up for games, to get me upbeat, ready for games, listen to the house music, listen to the lyrics, listen to, you know, what they're talking about and put you in that mood to go out there and, you know, do what I need to do.

Can you explain the people the difference that Chicago house music has as opposed to regular house or even Detroit House for that, for that matter? You know, our house music is, is real, you know, not hard, hardcore, but we get hardcore, but it's mellow. You know, you feel the, you feel the music, you feel the energy in the music. You feel the, what they're talking about, how they're talking about it, you know, a lot of, and if you really, really, really listen to house music is really talking about God. if you listen to it. You know, it's really talking about the man upstairs and what he has done for us and how he moves our body and how he moves the way we move around in this world.

And, you know, if you really listen to it, that's what it's talking about and that's what it's saying. And it's a lot of music out there that, you know, it's a funk house, it's, you know, dirty house, you know. We listen. We listen to all house music, but the most house music is, you know, this is acid, let no man put you, put you on into my life, that type of stuff. We listen to those type of house music. And it's just, man, I listen to it right now when I go work out, you know, puts me in a mood and gets me going. if I'm going through a 40-minute cardio situation, it gets me through that 40 minutes. Yeah.

I mean, when you were coming up, obviously Chicago is now solidified as a hip-hop city. Some of the greatest ever have come from Chicago. But when you were coming up, it was predominantly New York in L.A. at that time. Correct. Do you remember who were like some of the first Chicago rappers that felt like they made it outside of local fame? Oh, common. you had what's his name

if I don't say his name he's going to kill me I forget his name No ID No ID was rapping back then He was rapping back then But Kanye West You know he's from the west side of Chicago

And Com is from the south side And it was just a lot of rappers coming out. I forget their names, but a lot of them fell off. You know, a lot of them stuck. But a lot of them, you know, most of them fell off. Crucial conflict. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course.

You know, those guys, I did a video with them. They was hot back in the 80s, 90s. And, you know, for some reason they fell off, which was bad. So, yeah. Which video were you in? which one we had all the cars out there and i forget which one i was in man i'm 58 years old man i can't remember that far back that was like 91 92 speaking speaking to that you you came into the league in uh in 89 and uh immediately changed the culture of the golden state

warriors uh which you uh Mitch richman uh new york legend chris mullin uh you y'all took on the monica to run TMC, which is a play on run DMC, obviously. What was that like in that moment for you? And did you feel like, okay, we're in the middle of doing something special, not only for the NBA, but for the Bay Area and just changing the culture of how the game of basketball is played? Man, it was special. And we only, we was together for two years.

Yeah. And those two years was very special. And the culture of us and people still recognize. recognize us as run TMC 30 years later. And what we did out there on that court and brought a lot of people joy. We, you know, people stayed up to watch us at 10, 13, 11 o'clock at night on the East Coast. Absolutely. And so when we came in on the East Coast, Chicago, Miami, New York, New Jersey back then. Yeah. You know, Philadelphia. We sold out. Yeah. You know, we sold out. People wanted to come see us and you know and that that was part because of Chris Molling because they wanted to see

Mully Mall, you know, because he was from that area. Yeah. So all scenario. I mean, man, I mean, you know, if we was together, you know, for a long period of time, we could have contended for a championship. Absolutely. We just needed the pieces around us to come together, which, you know, they were. And we just was. able to finish what we wanted to finish. And it, it, it was a blow. It was a big blow to us when, when Mitch got traded. I mean, a really big blow to us.

But our friendship has lasted this long. Our family's friendship, our kids, you know, we wouldn't change it for the world. And me going, I thought I was professional. I thought that I was, you know, it was going to take me a couple of years, three or four years to get my niche and everything. But those guys gave me the confidence, Mitch, Chris, Rod Higgins, Terry, Tico, Don Nelson, Serunis, Mario Ellie. Those are out in list of all Jim Peters and Tom Tobrit. You know, all those people gave me the confidence to go out there and be me and do what I need to do and play the way I need to play. and to, you know, take, you know, just take the range to that team and as they will say, make it go.

But, you know, being around Chris Mullin and Mitch Richmond and Rod Higgins, the professional guys, they came in every day, worked on their game every day. I came in one time, and Chris Mullin was, he was working out an hour before practice. Then he went out there in practice. Then he went out and worked out another hour after practice. So, I mean, he was, he, you thought I was in shape, but he was in superb shape. Yeah. And I was like, man, I got to get on his level. Yeah.

And once you know, once you're getting on that level in superb shape, you know, just playing the game, it's just, just having fun and doing what you normally do. During those years, did you guys ever have any conversations with run DMC or any acknowledgement after you guys took on that point? Yeah. I mean, we, we had, you know, some conversations with them. you know, Chris knew one of them because they went to college together. And then they went to, I forget his name, but they went to college together and they was in the same class together. And, you know, I mean, they knew each other like, I mean, they still know each other.

Like they was, no, they was boys and everything. So we had conversations with them. The thing that we should not have done has had them introduce us before the game against Magic Johnson. and L.A. Lakers because I saw at the corner of my eye, Magic had a group.

It was like, okay, they're making a markery out of us. They think this is a concert. No, this is for real. This, we try to win a championship. Their focus was, man, they went from, you know, layup line to their focus was, you know, out of this world.

And Magic had them focus. He came out there, and he surgically killed us himself. by just carving us up with his past is, you know, his leadership out there on the court. And we learned a lot from that game. In the Bay Area, Haifi is there sound. What was it like for you being in the Bay Area?

And, you know, were you ever into the Heifie movement, the Heifie sound, did you ever adapt? Because it's kind of sort of similar to House a little bit. Like the tempo was a little, you know what I mean? But so moving to the Bay Area and living in the Bay Area for those years, did you appreciate and enjoy the hyphy movement? Man, we had 357 Humpty hump

E40 What's his name? Mag Dre. Mag Dre. Mac Dre. M.C. Hammer. Yeah. We had all those cats, man.

Richie Rich. All those guys, man. And we was listening to it. They're rap. In the clubs. You know, out on the street, that's what they was playing. And then they was playing all type of other music.

But, you know, in the clubs, that's what they was playing. And they had so much, you know, Tony, Tony, Tony. Them guys has so much music and so many solos that when you go on the club, if you just play all their music, you know, here and there, here and there just through the club, you just going to bump all night long. You know, then you had even, you know, he wasn't from there, but, you know, God rest his soul, uh, was Frankie Beverly. Yeah.

At his music and every point in fire. They had a, they just played a lot of stuff in the club where you could just vibe to it. And it was, it was, it was cool. And, you know, the music that you're talking about, it, it was there, but it really wasn't there at the clubs that we was at, because we used at grown-up clubs. Yeah. It's a different type of party. Did you ever run into MC Hammer at the club? MC Hammer, E40, 357, Humpty Humpty Humph.

Who else was it? Did you ever run into like an early Tupac when he was with Digital Underground and Humpeter? You know what? You know what? We ran into him early. We ran to him early like, you know, 90, 91. and then he just blew up from there and didn't come back. He was out of there.

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He wasn't, it wasn't just pop music with Hammer. It was real street shit with Hammer. Well, I didn't know. Didn't want to know. But I'm quite sure that they was in me.

Yeah. Being from Chicago, yeah. You can spot it. You can spot you. You can spot you. The first thing, when you come, you know, first thing you know about when you from Chicago, you walk in a room, you survey the room. Yeah.

Very carefully. You know where the exits are at and how to get out. You know who is who and what is what. You ask questions and, you know, you go about your business very lightly. So you know what, you know, if you see something going down, you'd be like, ah, I got to go. But, you know, MC wasn't like that. It was, it was, I, I could say this. I'd never been in a club in the Bay Area where it was a brawl or a fight broke out.

Oh, wow. Okay. Wow. And in the 90s saying that, that's big. And that's for real. I'd never been in a club where a fight or a brawl broke out where I was at. So I can't, you know, some guys have, but I, I, I never, witnessed that at the clubs I was at.

At that time, was Master P making any noise at that point? Because I know he moved to the Bay to really start no limit, actually started in the bay, not doing it. Right. Right. But I mean, but he was in and out of places, but he really into his music and doing what he's supposed to do with his music. He wasn't like, like in a club all the time.

Yeah. In a club, you know. So they was, you know, and another thing, you got to understand that MC Hammer lived way out in San Francisco. He was on top of the hill, so he had his own recording studio. And five of them people didn't have their recording studio in Oakland. It was outside Oakland. Yeah. As, you know, we only have run TMC, like you said, for a very short time, but it was definitely impactful on the organization.

looking at, you know, obviously what Steph Curry and Clay and Dremont were able to build with the Warriors. Do you ever sit back and just look at them play and just think like me, Tim and Chris, we would give y'all a problem if we had a three-on-three against Clay, Steph, and Dray Maher? No, they had problems with us. They definitely had problems with us. the way we play and the physicality that we played with, we would have brought that, you know, into the frame of things. And all three of us had different types of games. You know, Steph could get to the basket and do a lot of things.

Clay, he would have problems because, you know, he could only one or two dribbles. Yeah. Would they have to get open and, you know, we switched out and we would have made him triple. Drake, we would have made you shoot. his jump shot would be a lot better if he played against us because we would have definitely made him shoot the ball. But, you know, you cannot take nothing away from those guys. Yeah. And what they have done for the Bay Area and what, you know, Draymond and Steph continually to do for the Bay Area,

it's remarkable, man. It's remarkable basketball. ball and I love watching them play. You know, I only get hype, you know, when I'm watching certain teams play. Like my son play his team, Steph Curry and the Warriors, you know, LeBron and Lakers, okay, O KC and Boston Celtics, you know, those guys, you know, because I like the way they play. I like how they move and pass the ball, play good defense. and nothing bothers them.

Nothing bothers them. You know, they go out there and just play their game and they know if they're down 10, they know they're going to make a run and come back. So, I mean, but, you know, those, you know, the best shooter in the world, but I still take Chris Mullin. But the best shooter in the world, you know,

a lot of people, Tim, they don't, you know, they hear about Chris Mullin, but they didn't, never saw Chris Mullin play. me being from New York, you know, I had an opportunity to really see Chris Mullen play. And people don't know exactly how much of a great shooter that Chris Mullen, not even shooter, much of a great player that Chris Mullen was. Do you find yourself having to remind people often like, y'all got to start putting Mullen in this conversation of white boys that had game?

All the time. All the time. I do not let them get away with. not saying Chris Mullen. I've seen Chris Mullen not miss for two and a half hours. People would be like, you lie, you lie, you just, you, I ain't got to lie, okay, if you don't believe me, that's on you. I saw it. Yeah, I saw it. I'm good with it.

But you can't take that away from it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I didn't see him make, you know, if you, if you, that means if you don't miss for two and a half hours, you, you made over a hundred jump shot. You know, you made over a hundred jump shot. And people think I'd just be lying. But, you know, when is the last time you ever seen a white guy win three MVP's in the Big East or three MVP's anywhere? Right.

You know, even though they don't stay that long, when is the last time you saw a white guy that could shoot the ball that, you know, three-time player the year in the Big East? When we're talking about they had Patrick Ewing and those. You know, you had Smith and those guys at Pittsburgh. You had, you know, had Syracuse with, with, what's his name, Pearl, Earl Washington. I mean, Pearl Washington. And there was no guys.

I mean, yeah, you know, I mean, come on, man. Come on, man. I mean, he went against some tough guys. Yeah. He was a three-time, you know, player of the year there. So, you know, that says enough for itself right there. More, you have no idea what he did for New York whites. Like the confidence he gave us, anything is possible.

Chris Mullin was a, he was a hell of a player. Slow. He was slow, man. Yeah. Get to a spot, though. Get to a spot. Yeah. People tried to speed them up and I just pass on a ball.

And I'm just laughing. I'm like, what they say, what are you laughing about? I'm saying, y'all, y'all just, yeah, I mean, y'all trying to speed them up. Y'all not going to be to split them up. That's the way he plays. He plays at his own beat. He's going to shoot at his own beat. And he was just averaging 25 a game.

Did he ever take you through Bay Ridge or through Brooklyn at all? Yeah, of course. Of course. And I was just amazed of how, you know, people running outside and bound down to him. Yeah. I wasn't really looking, you know, around and looking at, you know, the sites. We walking down the street and people are running out of their apartments or whatever in an establishment.

and bound down to them like, yo, if you want to come in and eat, it's on me. You know, I'm like, I was like, wow, I see, I heard about this, but you are God here. Legendary, for sure. A lot of people like to talk about, you know, obviously your time in Golden State, but as a New Yorker, your time with the Miami Heat,

I got to be honest, Tim, you broke a lot of hearts in the city with you and Alonzo Morning, and, you know, the guys down in Miami, which I did to the Knicks every year, which is absolutely disrespectful. But I think, you know, that part of your career with the heat, I think that a lot of people don't talk about enough and what you did in your time with Miami.

How was it going from the Bay to Miami and building what y'all built down there with the heat? We built that. with pure heat culture. You know, just having heat culture in your blood, having heat culture in your veins and your heart, and understanding this is the way it's going to be. This is how we're going to play.

This is how we want to play. This is how we're going to be prepared. This is how our mindset is. And if you want to be the best, you've got to go out there and prove it each and every night, and you got to beat the best. And, you know, you never could beat Chicago Bulls because of Michael Jordan,

Scotty Pippin, and those guys. You know, we had, you know, it was rough basketball games with the New York Knicks, but loved it.

Loved it. We changed that. We didn't. We loved it. But, you know, you got to understand, y'all got the best of us, you know,

the last, you know, those three years, y'all, with the Allen Houston shot, with a couple of other plays that y'all made in a playouts,

y'all got the best of us. We was number one C, y'all was number one 8C. Y'all wasn't supposed to be in a playoffs then, but y'all somehow got in the playoffs. It was good for TV. We got to take that. But, you know, but those good battles, wouldn't change them for the world, you know,

playing against, you know, Spreewell, Allen, Starks, Bar, Oakley, my man, Oak, and Patrick and those guys, you know, I wouldn't change that for the world, man. It was great for basketball fans around the world. But no, we had a job to do. Both teams had a job to do. Sometimes we won. Sometimes they won, but y'all won in the crucial stages of the playoffs. And y'all went forward.

We didn't. But like I said, I wouldn't change it for the world. And it's all about heat culture. Heat culture, like I said, you got to come in. You got to be ready. You got to be ready. Your mind has to be ready. You know, you got to put all the other BS out your mind.

You got to come in and know what this is about. It's only about winning. It's only about winning. And it's about Pat Riley's mindset. If you don't have Pat Riley's mindset, you shouldn't be on that team. You shouldn't be playing on the Miami Heat team. If you don't like it, you know, maybe that team isn't for you. But we went there and we understood, you know, everything that came with it.

And we didn't, we didn't bitch. We didn't moan. We didn't grown. We went out there and we did what we're supposed to do and have fun doing it. What was the energy like in the garden during those days? Oh, wow. The reason why the energy was crazy is because of Padrault, he left, how he left. Yeah.

How he faxed him, you know, a little sheet of paper, I'm gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they didn't understand what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it. And now they do. And they're lost. They're bad. But, I mean, he has a system. He doesn't deviate.

He always calm, cool, and collective. He's steady. He's always prepared. You know, and that's the way he is, and that's the way his teams are. And I liked it. I love being around them. I love the atmosphere. And, you know, just when I first got there, we played against the Knicks.

We was in New York. They said, hey, this is going to be the craziest stuff that you ever see. They really, really, really hate us. They really hate us. I'm like, okay. I mean, it can't be that much hate. Right. It was y'all and Reggie.

Right. Wow. Yeah. Wow. You know, I haven't felt that much hate since probably playing in the city of Chicago when I was like in, you know, a freshman sophomore junior in high school. It was, I mean, like, it was bad, man. It was bad. But you know what?

Chicago prepared me for those type of situations. So when I went out there, it didn't phase me. But it was bad, man. It was bad. And you came to understand and go out there and just play. That was it. That was all. Go out there and shut them up.

That's what we did. You had probably, I would say, top five most iconic basketball shoe in the history with the Air Raid. what did it do for you as far as like your star power after that sneaker dropped? Because at that point, I think you were on every one of my homeboys' walls. We all had your posters in the lockers in our high school, in our middle school. The Air Raids is one of the most iconic shoe in history. What did that do for you on a personal level as far as your celebrity after that? But, you know, if you don't do none on a basketball court, the shoe don't mean nothing.

That's the fact. you know, you still got to go out there and perform. You still got to go out there and show them why that shoe is out and why that is your shoe and why you want them to wear your shoe and buy your shoe. But if you don't go out there and perform, they're like, you know, you're another bus. Yes. So I think, you know, I just went out there and played the way I supposed to play with a lot of confidence and went out there and put my tent.

team in a position to win each and every night. And I just had a move that it'd get me to the killer crossover that it get me right to the lane and make a play for my team. And it was exciting. And, you know, and I had just an exciting error about myself that, you know, I talk some stuff. You know, I mean, you'll face. No, you talk, you talk, you talk.

You talk, yeah, yeah, you know, come from Chicago. You know, I can clean it up now. I get it. You know, I talked a lot of stuff. You know it. And that's what you had to do. When I walked in the gym, I wanted you to see that, look, I'm here to fuck you up. Right.

Yeah, right. And now that was my intentions. I'm looking right at you. It's going to be a rough night. Absolutely. That's what, that's when I walked into the gym. That's what I wanted my persona to be. And, you know, that's how I wanted a gym shoe to be.

When you saw somebody with that gym shoe on, yeah. Oh, he comes. to give it to you. Yeah. So, yeah. With the air raids, I gotta be honest, we all wore them, but I never could get that two-step to U-TEP. I couldn't, I couldn't get to it.

It wasn't, the sneakers didn't work, man. I couldn't, I could get to. Definitely wasn't the shoes. It wasn't the shoes. So let me ask you this. When you wore the air-d-jord, you wanted to fly like him? Yeah, I did, but that wasn't. That wasn't happening.

It wasn't happening. It was more believable. It was more of a thing. Like, we felt like we could do the U-Tep two-step. Right. But it was like, every time I try to in and out, nigger, pick that shit off, go the other way.

I'm like, these shit say, it ain't working, Tim. Tim, I was just happy when I could touch the net. It wasn't working. You know, and I, you know, people, this is not a knock on IRISA and what Iverson said, talking about practice, talking about practice. And I still don't know what they was talking about when he was talking about practice. I was in, I was in Jamaica somewhere on Golden Eye,

And when we was eating and we was watching him do this press comments, he was talking about practice. Yeah. And I was like, okay, they must have said something upset and something because we didn't catch the first part. Yeah. This is not a knock on, Alan Ierson. I just love to dribble to basketball. I just love practicing on my game. I just love.

So when I went out there, I just, I knew that nobody could steal the basketball away from me. Yeah. I knew that, that, that my handles was that tight. if I want to do an in and out move behind a back and then the end and out move with the left hand and go scoop it up with the left hand, I could do that because I practice on it. You know, so I practice on just dribbling and going out there and making my game perfect. So when I'm out there, you know, I wasn't scared. I wasn't like in all or nothing.

I can come back at you. Right. 96, 97, the heat, y'all had 60, 61 wins. I think you hit over 203 points that year, probably one of your best years statistically. What was the, a lot of classic albums came out that year. We had Jay-Z Reasonable Doubt, T.Pock dropped that year, Biggie Life After Death.

ATEALions came out there. ATEALANS. What was some of the music that you could remember listening to before the games during that run that year with Miami? me. Tupac, Jayze, of course,

Biggie, who else was it? You know, and I still listen to Eric B and Rod Kim, L. L. Coochay. You know, we still,

back then, you know, you still had tapes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they was coming out with CDs, but you still had tapes. Yeah.

And so, you know, you had a variety of different songs on it, different albums on it. And, you know, but going to the games, it was, it was mainly house music. My son was in a car. He could contest to that. He said, hey, dad, everybody talking about this crossover, this crossover. You know, he said, I know you like to listen to your music, but can you, you know, tell me, what's the crossover?

Turned the music down. I said, you never seen the cross-all? He said, no, I said, because you're in the back there playing Nintendo, running around, eating food, hanging out. Yeah. The kids, I said, you need, use a band from before the game, ban your seat. I don't know when it's going to happen, but it will happen in the course of the game.

Yeah. And I turned my music back up after I got to talk to him. And he said, okay. So, and it saw, it was ironic. This first or the second player of the game, I got to steal. And I'm thinking, I hope he's in his seat, right? Yeah. I'm hoping he's in his seat right now.

And I crossed Chris Child's over, and I went to the whole laid it up. And I just glimpsed out the corner of my eye, I pointed at him. And he jumped up, he pointed at me. I was like, okay, cool. Yeah, he saw it. Yep, yep, he saw it. And after the game, he's like, I know what it is now. I said, okay, cool.

But, you know, that was a big moment right. there for me in that car when he asked me that and I'm like you don't know yeah you know and and he know now he know now he know now you know I think my kids are finally finally realizing you know what I did and how I did and what type of play I was and and they finally realizing like damn dad you you you was kind of nice ain't no kind of nice you was the real you was the real you was the real deal. Speaking of crossovers, who are some of the players today that you absolutely enjoy

watching, just by the way, you know, just they handle the ball and, you know, dribbling and crossover? Who are some of your favorite players to watch? You know, you know, I want to say, you know, I'm sorry to see that Carrie heard himself last night. Oh, yeah. With the ACL and

that was tough to see. And I know how much he put into this game. and how much he loved this game and to see him go down like that that's tough for everybody. And so, but no, Carrie Irvin, no question. James Harden, no question.

You know, I'm going to even tell you some other guys that have it, you know, Tatum from Boston. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He got a nice crossover. Of course, Steph Curry, he got all type of shit.

Yeah, yeah. He got all the type of stuff. You know, but even, you know, even Jamal Murray. He got some handles. Jamal Crawford, Jamal Crawford, that's one of the best handles ever. Jamal, man. Jamal Crawford, you know, but he's talking about right now. Yeah, right now, today, yeah.

But Jamal Crawford, he did get you up out of your chair. Yeah. I know I've been watching to a lot of him lately, Darius Garland. I wasn't as familiar with his cross. Yes. And I've been watching a lot of the Cavs games this year. I'm like, okay. Like he has that, he has that package with him.

Yeah, he crossed somebody over when he was here. And I was watching him play against the Detroit Piss. And he looked over at me and he was like, yeah. I was like, yeah, okay. You know what? I played with his dad, Winston Garland. Yeah. My first year.

Oh, very well. Speaking of other Chicago legends and Miami Heat Legends, what did you think of doing? Wayne Wade statue outside of the arena. He got a statue. I don't know if that's Duane Wade. Hey, I mean. It's his jersey for sure.

It says his name. I'm going up there in a couple of weeks and I'm going to take a picture. You have to. I'm going to hug you hug, have them take a picture of me and put it on my Instagram. Yeah, I'm here and congratulations in Duane Way. You know, I mean, have we really? ever seen Michael Jordan's face on his? It's the side profile. I guess I've never really...

I mean, I've never seen it. I've never been to the arena and seen it up close. But I could probably guess that that went up in the 90s. I could probably guess it don't really look like Mike. Yeah. I mean, you know, what's that you really really like get you? You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't know. But, you know, I mean, people talk about it. I talk about, hey, this man got a statue outside. You want to say he did work. He did work to get that statue. He won championships.

He played with the best. He played against the best. And he busts the best his ass. So I'm just happy that he has a statue. I mean, I don't care what it looked like. I mean, he is Dwayne Wade statue. Yes, absolutely. That's all that matters.

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Elijah Juan, you got Big Jabba. I always put Kareem up there. Always put Kareem. Yeah, he dominated every level of basketball. Yes, yes, got to put Kareem up. up there. And, you know, I don't know. Sometimes I say Larry Bird, sometimes I say big game James, but I take Tim Duncan. Yeah, I put, I put, I've been tweeting probably for the last two years and I get killed every time I tweeted, but I think now more and more people

are starting to agree with me. I have Steph Curry and my personal top five players of all time. I don't think that I've seen five players impact, change, dominate the game from his stature not being a big guy, being a small guard. I don't think I've seen five players play basketball better than Steph Curry. I can't agree with that. Yeah. I can agree with that. No question.

I can't agree with that. I just thought that watching the Olympics last year, one of the last shots that, you know, the last shots that he took when he was double-teamed over Batum and other player, when they freeze frame before the shot he takes, wide open on the wing, you have the all-time Olympic basketball leading scorer and the all-time NBA leading score wide open, and none of them were upset that he took that shot. No. That's just crazy to me.

No, I mean, I mean, Steph Curry, he has done it before. Yeah. And they know what he can do when he gets really. really, really, really, really hot. That's what he was, really, really, really hot. And you know what? They was all on him. A lot of people was on him, like right before the metal rounds.

Yeah. What's wrong with Steph? Yeah, he got out the gates a little slow. Yeah, he got out the gate's a little slow. You know, sometimes you defer to other people that's on the team. And when it's your time, you know it's your time. He knew at that particular time it was his time. So he went out there and done what he's supposed to do.

and they had no problem. Actually, they was waiting on it. Yeah, yeah. Maul and I have this debate pretty often. Do you think the bubble ring has an asterisk next to it? I think people has put the bubble ring with an asterisk on it, but you got to understand they played. They could have not played,

and it could not have been that little season, that little playoff and that championship. But as you could tell, Jimmy Butler, he was out there, he was playing his ass off. Yeah. He was, I mean, in Miami, he was playing their butt off. Yeah. And so was the Lakers.

And they wanted to win. Both teams wanted to win, no matter if it was an asterisk or not. But I don't think it should have been. But, I mean, you know, people say it should be, but I disagree with him. Now, I got to go back to your top five because one name that was missing from a lot of those names you name was LeBron. Yeah.

And so you don't feel like, me personally, I have him in my personal top five, maybe six. He's top ten. He's definitely top ten. Okay, okay. He's definitely top ten. And you can't, I mean, people are going to have him and his top five, you know, everybody's top five is different. You know, some people are not going to have him in these top five. But he's definitely top ten.

I agree with that. And in NBA history. Yeah, yeah. And that's not a knock. If we think about how many people played this game, people think that that's a knock to say LeBron is top ten. I just think that, you know, for me, I'm, you know, again, it came up in the 80s and 90s.

I think it's blast for me when people say he's a better player to Michael Jordan. Right. Right. I mean. Here we go. See, Tim, Tim agreed with me. Say the same thing.

Same thing. You know, how many? See, Michael said I'm going to win defensive player the year. Or I'm going to win. I'm going to be the stills leader this year. You know, he did it. He went out there and done it. And the trophy showed that.

And he put his mind to it. And he went out there and did it. And, no, I mean, you know, LeBron came in. didn't go to college. Played two or three years in college. So a lot of guys, I mean, Kareen played, what, four years in college? Four, yeah. And he's still at, I mean, for like 40 years, he was 38,000 points in the NBA, you know, so with the sky hook.

Right. So just think if he didn't go to college. Yeah. You know, that would have put the four years on, you know, he, you know, he, you know, you, he, you we'd be talking about LeBron trying, he getting 50. Yeah, he probably passed him now at 50. Yeah. But that's where Karim would be at.

But, you know, I mean, it's a lot of intangibles to that. There has been, like, I feel like over the last few years, and I think that's just part of history and time going past. There has seemed to be a more, a resurgence of disrespect for the 80s and 90s of style of play and basketball. You hear a lot of current players saying, oh, you know, that style was boring, or a lot of those players wouldn't be able to keep up with, you know, the players now. They didn't have the moves that the players have now.

What do you feel about that? I feel that young players today don't know the history of NBA basketball. Yeah. They don't know who is who. You know, for Edwards, Anthony Edwards, to not know who his owner is. And Alex Rariguez, you don't know about sports. Right. You on, you on, you know, Nintendo or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, everybody know about Alex Rodriguez. Right. No, even if you don't know about baseball, you know about Alex Rodriguez. Right. You know, like we, we, we, we know, I go back downtown Freddie Brown, Dennis Johnson, you know, Gus Williams, Jack Sigma, you know, Elvin Hayes, those guys. Them guys don't even know those guys.

They don't know the history of. of basketball, which is unfortunate because we know the history of basketball. Like I know Archie Clark. When I bring up Archie Clark, people, oh, you know, Dave Bing, know the history about Dave Bing. See, they don't, and when you see them and when they introduce them to these people, they just be like, hey, how you doing? Right.

They don't even pick their brain, try to learn the game. They only think their brain. Don't learn the game. nothing like that. So I think that's what is more frustrating than anything else. It's not, you know, that they don't give us homage. I just think they don't know what we have done to pave the way to make this, you know, what it is today.

Yeah. We talked about MC Hammer in the Bay. I don't think we could skip over any of the Uncle Luke years in my. me. No, not at all. What was that like? Crazy. Crazy. Absolutely bananas. Do you have any Uncle Luke party stories or anything from those years?

No, I don't have. Of course not. You know, I do not. But I will tell you this. I heard about them. Yeah, you heard. You heard. But you know, that was that Miami hurricane.

Yeah, yeah. You know, when they, when they was, when they was balling because of Bosworth in Oklahoma, Miami. Yeah. My man, my man, what's his name, the quarterback for Oklahoma coming to a game with a full mink on, stuff like that, you know. So that's, I mean, that's why Luke and them went wild in Miami. They was like, we're the best and we're going to do this and we're going to do that. Yeah. And they took on his identity.

Even Jimmy Johnson took on his identity. Yeah. Come to practice. Do this. Let's do that. Let's walk around here with Army fatigues on. Yeah. We're going to go here and this is what we're going to do.

And that's what they told you. I mean, why not? You know, and that's why I think college football is why it's big right now. It's because of that error. Absolutely. No, those teams were crazy. And I mean. And it was really, you know,

Uncle Luke because, I mean, like, what he was saying and how he was having parties. And look, y'all can't get me and tell NCAA y'all can't get me. I'm having them over here kicking it and y'all can't do it. And they never got him. He was the first N. Yeah. Yes. He was the first.

Uncle Luke definitely was. Warren Sapp had a Benz. Tim, how was it when, when Junior played with the Knicks? Like, how much did it hurt for you to have to root for the Knicks at that point? Or did you even root for the Knicks at that time? It didn't hurt me at all. Didn't hurt me at all. You know, I'm a Tim Hardaway Jr. fan and whatever team he's on, I'm rooting for his team, you know, no matter what.

So it didn't hurt me at all. Everybody thought that I was going to be hurt. Everybody thought I didn't like it. It's not me. It's Tim Hardaway Jr. Right. It's about him. And, you know, my reign is over with.

Now it's time you to put your footprints down and go forward. He got busy. He got busy in New York, too. He played really well in New York. We're at now with the Knicks. His years kind of shifted the culture of the Knicks when he was there. Do you think that trade was a little premature? Yeah, it was premature.

But, you know, look at Luca. Yeah. You know, look at that trait. I mean, you know, you just got to deal with business is business, and you got to go from there and do what you need to do. So that's all I can say for that. And that's about it. You know, it's tough.

It's tough. I mean, he has dealt with it in a professional way. Yeah. Absolutely. I love the way he handled it. And then, you know, obviously what he's done in Dallas still continue to play well. It's been fun to watch him because, you know, for a while it was kind of like, you know, people were like, oh, he's not as good as dad. And this, that and the third gave him all of that.

But then he made his own. He created his own. Played his game. He played his style. And I think he's been able to have a very, very successful career in the league. So he's doing this thing. And hats off to you because obviously you help mold and prepare him for that level and what it takes to be a professional athlete and to play at the highest level of basketball.

Thank you. What was your first piece of advice to your son when he entered the league? Have fun. Learn. Enjoy yourself. Be prepared. Always be prepared. lead as an example and lead when somebody needs to ask your question be able to answer that

question but have fun enjoy yourself I hear that um has junior ever beat you in one-on-one yes do you remember the date not the date the day it happened for the first time I remember I happened he crossed me over and he was going to dunk on me and I when I turned around and I grabbed them out the end I was like we're not doing that yeah yeah we're not doing that I got some foul. And in front of company, too. This is the last time we're going to play. It's the last time we're going to play one-on-one.

Now, that's not going to happen. Yeah. You were actually one of the assistants in Detroit when I was there with Brandon Jennings. And we used to hang out in Birmingham at the steakhouse and the cigar spot a few times. And now, me and BJ. Churchills. Yeah, we churchills. Me and BJ should talk about, damn, Tim is, you know, watching his highlights going home on YouTube.

watching you and to now see Junior playing in Detroit what does that do for you? Like you were there coaching as an assistant and now Junior is there on the floor with Kate Cunningham and those guys. I'm just happy, you know, and people thought I was crazy. I said they're going to win 30 games

and they're going to be in the plan. It's like, no, you sure? I'm like, they're going to win 30 games. At least 30 games. Yeah. They're going to be in the plan this year if they stay healthy. Yeah. They got Beasley. Tobias Harris, Kay going to come into his own.

Of course, Ivy, he hurt himself. Durham. You know, I saw the pieces coming together. I saw the pieces coming together. And the people that I was talking to around here in Detroit and Michigan, they thought I was crazy. No, I don't see it. I said, just watch and see.

You got to be pissed. Just watch the seat. Now they're like, how did you know that? I said, you just got to see the confidence in them, man. How they talk, how they act. It was a rough start. Yeah, yeah. It was a rough start, but, you know, they understand, and they gather together, and they

balling. They playing hard, and they out there, they believe. They believe in what they're doing. They believe in J.B. Biggest staff and the coaching staff. So, you know, kudos to Trades in Langdon, and understanding what type of pieces he need for them to go forward. And they got the bruiser, Isaiah Stewart. or they got him.

He ready to just knock. You need one of those. Every team. And this is so funny having a guy like him in the history of the Detroit Pistons. Like, it's just crazy to see that that culture is still in play

of just having those guys in the Pistons jersey that's willing to knock you down, knock blood out your mouth and go out there and do what it takes to win. Yep. Yep, yeah. I mean, just walking around Detroit,

you're going to have that mentality. Well, you need that in Detroit. It's definitely a blue collar city. By every sense of the world is a blue collar. How do you feel about your son's taste in music? he has a good taste of music you know he um when i when i listen to his music it's it's not like

um you know being somewhere else where you'd be like uh nah you need to turn this off you know he listened to he listened to jazz okay uh old school r and b okay um uh because you know he was in the car listening to it when we used yeah yeah about that's because of you right right so uh but No, I think he has, him and my daughters have a good taste of music. Tim, I'm only 34, but I'm turning into the get off my lawn guy with these young kids and the music. This shit sucks. I know we're not allowed to say that. This generation makes awful fucking music.

No, I'm with you. I'm with you. Yes, I agree. Of course, there's some exceptions, but overall, it's pretty bad. Yeah, some exceptions, yeah. I do not listen to what's that, the hip-hop. station. It's got to be R&B or old school R&B, but I don't listen to the hip hop rap stations anymore because it's, I can't even say the words.

Yeah, you can't even understand it really. They can't even understand themselves. And it's almost like the same words, the same beat, the same everything. Everybody sounds the same. No, it's no more, it's not much originality left in hip hop. Was there anyone in the locker room when you were in the league that could actually rap or wanted to rap? Maybe didn't tell anyone, kept it private. Who had some bars? Probably Mitch, Mitch Richmond or Mario Ellie. Okay.

And then Eric Murdoch or in Miami, Eric Murdoch or who is it? That was... I mean, back in the 90s, I mean, Shaq was really rapping. Oh, no. When he first came in. Shaq, he was really rapping. Yeah, he was really rapping. He got classic songs, actually.

Yes, classic records, for sure. Yes. That was probably the only one in the NBA that really had a rap album. Yeah, at that time, absolutely. Now you got a few more guys in the league that's trying to really do. Yeah, Dame. Dane is nice, though. Yeah, Dame's nice, yeah.

Dame's nice. Yeah, Dame's a rap. Really right. Were you with the heat when Eddie Jones was there? Eddie Jones came there when I was there, yes. Am I putting this on his jacket? Didn't Eddie Jones shot a rap at one point? I feel like there was an Eddie Jones mixtape. Really?

I don't remember that. No, I don't remember that. Maybe I'm confusing somebody else. Yeah, you're confusing that with somebody else. No, Eddie Jones did not have a mixed, I mean, a rap tape. Great guard. I'm just saying. I mean, we're talking about music.

I felt like there was an Eddie Jones freestyle or something when, because when my dad was living down there, that was the Eddie Jones years. And I swear I felt like he would try to rap at one point. No, no, no. Okay, my bad, Eddie. Stop, stop.

Are there any of the younger guys, like the younger rappers that you find yourself, like, okay, I like him? No. No. You know, you know, I think, you know who I think is a bad boy, Chris Brown. Oh, man.

He's not a rapper. He's a bad boy. Boy, oh. Yeah, Chris is a, Chris is a superstar icon and every, every sense of the word. Absolutely. Did you watch any of the versus during the pandemic? The versus. Yeah, it was something Swiss and Timerlin did.

They did it on like IG Live and everything. No, I didn't see that. I mean, there's some throwback stuff, so I wasn't sure. Oh, no, Tim may listen to that shit. No, no, no, not at all. It was funny. I was watching the last dance documentary and you're in it for the All-Star weekend

with Jordan and y'all were talking about Kobe and we had Lexi Brown in earlier and I was telling him we were talking about things he listened to before the game and it was funny seeing Mike on his way to play Utah in the finals and he had his Walkman on, his CD player and he jamming and he's jamming

they like Mike what you listening to? He said Kenny Ladamore. I said Mike, none of Kenny Ladamore music make you do this like what the hell was Like, I thought he was going to say some rap. Kenny Ladamore, the fact that Michael Jordan has listened to Kenny Latimore and a complete killer in the finals is crazy to me. Can I say this?

The way they remix it, you know, in Chicago, he probably got a remix of it or something like that. He probably had a house version of it. Right. Something like that, you know. Which was the album Mike had in that doc before anyone else? That was it. Oh, that's what I'm saying. And he had the album, Tim, before it even kicked.

He said Kenny sent it to him directly. So it wasn't the house version. It was the raw R&B, straight R&B Kenny Latimore album that Mike was doing all of this shit. And I'm like, Mike, none of Kenny music make you do that. Well, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You write about that.

I'm trying to put in a version that he was. No, it ain't. It ain't. It ain't happened. That is true. But, you know, I'm. I'm trying to help him out. Trying to help him out.

Yeah. What was that all-star, that all-star weekend like in New York that year? Y'all was there with Kobe and Mike and you and all of those guys, Grant Hill. Great, great, great. I was mad because I was like, who the fuck sat me by Michael George? Why did y'all do something dumb stuff like that? That's just dumb. I'm like, I mean, I'm the oldest in here, you know, behind Mike.

How come somebody else can't be sitting next to Mike are younger? guy. I had on there, I had to, because he got a triple double. I had to go over there and say, I had to stop the interview. Because he got an MVP, I had to stop the interview. And I say, I need to get my clothes, putting on pause. Mike was like, you silly. I was like, I got to go, man. This is going to take an hour. At least an hour. I don't have an hour. Yeah, yeah. I got to get out of I have to get out of here. So that's, so yeah, that's all I was thinking about. But, you know, we chopped it up real nice. And, you know, he lived in Chicago. He knew my boys. He hugged out with my guys and everything. So we chopped it up and had a good, we had a really, really good time. But the main thing is we want. Absolutely. For sure. Which, I mean, I guess gets us right to your memoir in the book that you have. What was that like reflecting and having to write pretty much your entire life from beginning to, to end? Well, it's called my life from the streets of Chicago to basketball rural T. It's on Skyhorse Books.

And it's on pre-sale right now. And, you know, just writing, you know, just writing my own memoir about how I grew up from, you know, as far as I remember from fifth grade, sixth grade, my household. how I grew up, the gang violence, the drugs that was going on, you know, all type of things that was happening in your life. And, you know, we talk about mental state now. I don't know how I got through. You know, we had to be tough.

We had to, you know, walk around tough. We had to because that was our demeanor. That's the way our parents brought up. brought us up and and you know your cousin brought you up that way you got to be tough you can't be crying you got to go out there and and if somebody's going to fight you got to be ready to fight them that's the way we was but you know it was tough man it was tough so me explaining how I grew up and what it took for me to you know get out and and and and make my own mark and how I did it. You know, I mean, you got to remember a lot of stuff. It's got to be a lot of information.

Yeah. And the book has to be entertaining so people can keep read, keep read. And my man, Jacob, he did a great job in doing that. Was some of those memories tough? Because I feel like a lot of stuff, you know, from our childhoods sometimes we'll block out. And when you're forced to reflect, especially if you're writing a memoir like that, was that a weird process? to maybe go through some thoughts that you hadn't even thought about in 30 years? No, I had an alcoholic pops, and he was an abusive person to my mom and to myself.

So, you know, I think about it a lot all the time. You know, it, yeah, I think about it a lot all the time. and and I'm thinking, sometimes I think about, I'm like, wow, you know, especially like when I'm driving to Chicago, you know, you're thinking about stuff and you just, you're in a daze, but you know, you still drive and you see the road,

you know, but you still just thinking about, like you're almost daydreaming about, and you reflecting and seeing everything that happened in your life back in that particular moment as you was growing up. And, you know, it was tough, But, I mean, the best thing happened to me was getting out of Chicago, going to El Paso, and being laid back. It's so laid back there. It's not fast going like Chicago.

It's real laid back. It's real slow. And you can really, really, really find yourself and understand where you need to take yourself to that next level. For sure. Before we let you go, I feel like we have to ask top five basketball players from Chicago. Oh, man. Oh, man. That's a tough list. Oh, man. Cazzie Russell, Isaiah Thomas, Mark Aguier. Mark Aguire. Yeah. Yeah. You know, myself, Derek Rose. You know. I keep going. Antoine Walker Walker. I just keep going on and on and on.

Well, Tim, we appreciate you taking some time to talk to us, man. Again, you know, one of the most legendary players, one of my favorite players growing up. It was a pleasure and the honor to have you with us today. Rory and all, we don't know ball, but obviously Tim Hardaway, Sr. knows a lot about ball. Book available when?

October, November. Okay, October. Pre-order right now, right? Pre-order right now from Skyhorse Books. I mean, it's Sky Horse Book is bringing it out. But Amazon, reorder right now from Amazon. Have your team send Josh over the link and we'll put it in the YouTube. So people can do that?

Before you leave, though, quickly, can you admit that deep dish is actually lasagna and not pizza? Well, I don't eat deep dish. Neither do I. Huh? Neither do I. I think it's the worst pizza on earth. It's a lot of people that like deep dish, but I'm from the South Side and real pizza people know in Chicago. where to get the real piece.

It's called Italian Fiesta. Okay. Where you get the real piece of from. And I go there. Every time I go back there, they give me, when I walk in, they, oh, how can we call it? I said, I did call you. I said, y'all need to look on there. They say, here you go.

You know, or it's nothing. What's the name of it? Italian Fiesta. We got to check that out. Italian Fiesta. Next time we should tell you. It's on 71st and Jeffrey. 71st and Jeffrey.

We're going to check out. They slices at Italian Fiesta. We're going to check it out next time in Chicago. Tim Hardaway Senior. Thank you, my brother. We appreciate you. We appreciate you. We all.

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