New Rory & MAL - Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | Trey Smith

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

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just a little bit. We're a couple episodes in. I was confident before, but I'm not quite confident. But the good thing is we've created this show where we have people that know a lot about ball. Yes. And, you know, they sit with us, they talk with us. And, you know, sometimes they even laugh at us because we don't know ball. But today we are joined by the most technical positions.

Like, this person knows. No, no, I feel like I feel like I might be ready to like really go to the park after this and really, you know what I'm saying? Protect my QB. Get your footwork down. understand certain gaps. I feel like I'm ready for it. Passing, running schemes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

So today we are joined by with the 226 pick in the 2021 NFL draft, the Kansas City Chiefs Select, Tray Smith. Trey Smith. Welcome. From that pick to a pro bowler. Listen, Trey, first of all, thank you for joining us. I do know that you were hurt last year. you had an injury to your leg.

First of all, how are you feeling? How is your recovery coming? How is your mental state and just everything that's going on that it takes with having an injury like that and bouncing back from it? Yeah, man, I'm feeling great. Recovery's going great. No problem so far.

It's been a really good off-season and, you know, just keeping the main thing, the main thing, just going out there and bawling, man, when I need to be. What type of recovery stuff have you been doing? Because, I mean, listen, if I go down the steps wrong, it takes me about six weeks. Yeah. What's the best way that you've been doing your recovery?

Yeah, man. I work with a dude named Duke Mannyweather, and he does a ton of stuff of the office of the line position I play. Recovery in that aspect, man, there's a machine. They put you on called the newbie. It's an electrocurrent sim machine. And that thing does miracles and wonders, a lot of modes, a lot of exercises, just being consistent with it. As I get older, I'm telling you, it's getting harder and harder to give out the couch. But, you know, man, he's got to do a lot of recovery, man, get it right. Do you think my Metro Plus health insurance covers that neural machine? No, no, I don't know.

I appreciate your honesty. I'm going to try to get you a discount. You can give me the homie price for that? Yeah, I got you. Trace said as he gets older, he's 25. Yeah, but 25 in the NFL years is. Yeah, well, I guess you're playing offensive line. That takes a toll on your body.

But what have you been doing, like, as far as just like, away from rehab? with your time off. Like, have you tapped into any, like, you know, hobbies or things that you like to do away from the field, just spending more time with the family? Like, what have you been doing just to keep your mental, just kind of away from rehabbing in sports? Yeah, man, it's always important to get some good hobbies in. I've always been a big video gamer.

So, like, I got a own gaming team. You streaming? Are you streaming yet? What's your tag? Nah, no, I don't know if I can stream my content. But, you know what I'm saying, bro. I just chill with the homies, man. Even kids I went to high school with.

A lot of my whole college teammates, we all hop on the game. And sometimes not about the game, just, you know, fellowship, bro. I just haven't heard from my dog in a while and just spending time with him. Vacation is huge. I took my first vacation in two years. So I went to Turks and Kekos, the group people. Oh, Trey, Trey, Trey, don't just gloss over Turks and Kikos like that. You said the Nero machine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was at that dot bar. Yeah, not. Give us the neuro machine. Great. Glad to know you're getting back right. But tell us about Turks. What was Trey doing down there in Turks, man?

Recovering. Hey, man, trade was living large. I'm talking about I've never seen water that clear. Yeah, I did water kayaking. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, bro, I suck it, Jetskin.

It was my first time trying it out. I went for the chiefs out. I went slow. I was safe. The one thing that people don't know about Jaskin is that that shit hurt. Like, you hit a wave and they kind of slapping against the way. That shit takes a toll on you. And you need goggles.

That's what people don't tell you. The salt, the salt water in your face, burning you and all of that. People don't know. It's not as fun as they are some ups and downs with jet skin. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah. So it was smooth, man, the little yacht tour and everything. So it was a good time, man.

Really good time. The athletes, especially when they're injured and recovering, do you guys get nervous to take vacations because you feel like media or anybody period's going to spot you and be like they're not focusing on the game? For me, I don't worry about as much as the opposite. line, man, we live life in the shadows, bro. It's still a chief, though. It's still that organization, even

though it's, you know, middle America, they're going to pay attention to every fucking thing that goes on. Yeah, no doubt. I think like the biggest thing as an athlete is just like finding that right time to take a vacation. You know what I mean? The offseason is so important when you go to a Super Bowl, you play so late into the year, you don't have as much

time as other guys and other teams. So just figure out that happy, that happy meeting a spot where you can take it where it's appropriate. Now, it is, it is It is May, and you are from Humboldt, Tennessee. Strawberry Festival is here. Do you go back home? Do you ever go back home and go to Strawberry Festival?

Is that something you're like, nah, I did that a lot growing up. I'm cool. Yeah, I did that so much growing up. They're like, nah, not anymore. I usually go back home probably for like a week or two, just to visit with my pops. He's still down there and spend some time with family. But now, man, I haven't been to the Strawberry Festival in some of years.

What do you do at the Strawberry Festival? Like, we from New York, we ain't ever been no, Strawberry Festival. If we were to go to Humboldt, Tennessee, what do we have to do at the strawberry festival, aside from eating strawberries? I was going to say, that's probably the main one, bro. It's just funnel-case strawberries.

But, like, you know, just to parade, getting ready for that, walking down the street, there are a lot of food vendors and stuff out there. And it's a pretty big celebration. I know a lot of my classmates growing up would get out of school just to go to the strawberry festival. So, like, it's a big deal in the area. People pride themselves with it.

And like I said, it's country. You're going to experience something little different down there. I like it. You know, it's still cool. It's still cool. Is your dad now you are a two-time Super Bowl champion? You've had a lot of success in the league. You say your dad is still in Humboldt.

But is your dad, is he like walking around Humboldt a little differently now? Is he down there like you got to call Pops or your Pops? Yeah, like Pops, you got to chill out. Like you down there doing too much? Like, what is dad doing back in Humboldt right now now that his son is a two-time Super Bowl champion? Yeah, man, dad's living the life, fully retired, does a little consultant on the side, you know what I mean? He always calls me, just going to a restaurant, people just being nice to him, getting a free meal here or there, you know, he's proud of the son. You know what I mean?

He's enjoying the fruit. Yeah, he's proud of you, but he also happened he ain't got to pay for the meals no more. His money's no good at Humboldt. His money's no good at Humboldt no more. Did he go out to both Super Bowls? Say it again. Did he go out to both Super Bowls? Oh, yeah, he did.

Yeah, that was the coolest part, man, is having, you. your family down, you know, after you went. What's the parent experience like with the Super Bowl shit? Because I feel like people don't know. You have to buy those tickets, right? Hell yeah. That's crazy that the players' parents can't even get tickets. So, like, did you put them in the nosebleeds?

Were you nice? Like, did you budget out exactly what those tickets were going to look like? Yeah. So I've been three times. And, like, the first time, it was like, hey, yo, it's just like close family. That's it. You know, because, I mean, I think the first time was in Arizona. I think tickets range, you know, from like $3,500 to like $5,500 a ticket.

So the NFL gives you two complimentary by the time all your own boys and friends. Yeah. You know, outside family starts asking, boy, that can add up quick. Then the flights, hotel. So, you know, obviously I took care of Pops. My sister, Ashley, my only other sibling, eight years older than me, took care of her, put them in lower level seating so that had a really nice view of the game. So I did right by my family, you know what I mean?

So what did the homeboys say when he was like, nah? You can't go back home? You can't go back to home? You can't go back home, man? No, no, I'm straight in the city, man. They're cool with it. You know what I mean? They took it well.

They understood because, you know, at the end of the day, hey, bro, can't get a ticket? Like, yeah, dude, can you give you like $4,500 for that? Then, you know, it gets a little quiet. So it's just a little reasonable thing, you know what I mean? They understood. What's that two weeks like with Super Bowl, like the media week leading up to it? Is it a completely different experience based off playoffs? regular season,

draft day, like how different is that two weeks? Yeah, man, it's a complete circus. I think once you win the AFC championship game, you celebrate, and then, like, I think it's literally like the next day you have to take a meeting about, okay, guys, this is how the Super Bowl's going to be laid out.

From the first day we land there, what's our schedule going to look like? And, you know, that whole week, the way we do it with the Chiefs is like, you know, the week before we get to the bowl site, we're actually just in a regular week of practice. But with that, you have to do media headshots, interviews, journalistic pieces and stuff.

You know, you're having various media from across the country and sometimes the world already at your facility in Kansas. Then you get to the both side, and that's a completely different level. I mean, first day, opening night, you're walking around. There's almost a thousand plus people out here trying to interview, get content whatsoever. And then, you know, a couple days at the hotel, you're still getting interviewed, like right before you're actually.

meetings breaking down the game plan. So it's sort of a non-stop thing. There's so much pageantry involved with it. But like it's easy to sort of lose focus. It's like, damn, I got to play football game in like five days. You know what I mean? So it's a lot. It's a lot to deal with. What is the mindset of a young guy like yourself? Obviously grew up playing football and now you're at the biggest stage. You're at the Super Bowl. When you're alone, away from, you know, the media and the team and you're in your hotel room. What is your mindset?

Like, are you nervous? Are you throwing up? Are you like you can't sleep? Anxiety. Like, what is that mindset? And how do you send to yourself and say, okay, this is the Super Bowl, but I have to go out there and do what I've done

up until this point and just do everything the same? Is it the same approach? Do you do things differently? Like, how do you fight off just the obvious nerves that are around playing in the biggest game? Yeah. a couple things that like really helped is like we already had guys who had been in the Super Bowl

and then for me personally had a dude that played opposite side of me Joe Tuny at left guard he had been in probably three Super Bowls before my first one so like Joe was already laying out the game like hey guys like when we get down there just stay focused at the end of the day we got to perform on Sunday you know when you go out there and warmups I know you're about to see Kevin Hart shack and soup dogs

step people up on the sideline but like don't lose sight that like, you got to go play a game. And I'll be lying to say that the first time I went out there, I wasn't nervous. You know, if you were a fan of football as a kid, every little kid dreams of playing in the Super Bowl. It's the biggest event in America, the biggest sports event. So, like, for me personally, the way I tried to conceptualize and rationalize it was like, you're about to go do something that you've been doing since fifth grade. You're just playing football, dog.

Forget the cameras, forget all the stuff that comes with it, people hitting you up. Just go out there and do your job every single place. like don't make it bigger than what it is. Just go do what you do great at. You know what I mean? So for me, it was always trying to not make the moment too big, but just stay riding the present every single time.

That made it easy for me instead of looking too far ahead. Was there one celebrity that got you off that mind state, though? When you walked out, like, no, hold on. One second. Yeah, I think it was Shaq. It was the first time, bro, like in Arizona. I was like, damn, that's shot. And then I think Kevin Hart Day, Pan Dan, who's an Eagles fan.

So I was like, damn, everybody is here. right now. So that took me away, but I sat back out of it, bro. Has anybody like- Shack and then seeing Kevin Hart in the same video? That's why offensive linemen. You have great vision. You can see both of that. Have you, have you been in touch with any of the guys since your rehab? Have you spoken to Pat since you been rehabbing? Not too much. You know, he's been training out there. I know he always has a group of guys,

generally like receivers and they put in a really good work in all season. For me, I usually almost like get away from everything and everybody for the most part. I like to just decompress and get back to work, man, and just really have a nice little focus going. With somebody like Pat Mahomes, which is a very unpredictable quarterback in what he's going to do in and out of the pocket, is that the toughest offensive line position

being with the Kansas City Chiefs? Because you have such a shifty quarterback. No, no, no, no, that's not why. You got to protect a billion dollars. Let's just be real here. You got to protect the billions of dollars back then. Like Tom Brady, of course, goat, but he's a pocket passer.

Everyone that's on that line knows what the scheme is and where Brady is going to be at all times. Pat Mahomes is going to freestyle if it gets to a certain point. Is that tough as an offensive lineman having a one-of-one quarterback that you have to protect?

Like Mall just said, that's a billion dollars behind him, man. Keeps me up at night and start to sleep, man. And not let nobody touch him. Nobody touch him. Man, so I think for me, when I first got to the Chiefs, it was a little bit difficult.

I played in Tennessee, so for me, the ball would be out by a certain time period, right? But when I got to the Chiefs, my O-Line coach used to always get on me saying, you know, don't let an egg timer go off in your head. Hey, you got to block the entire time until you hear the whistle because Pats is that elusive, man. He's going to extend plays. He's going to do some magician stuff. You know what I mean? He's going to make something out of nothing.

That's just how he operates. And I wouldn't say it's hard to block for him because he makes it so easy. I mean, the way he's making calls, he's directing us. He's really in tune with the game. game playing. He has a great field. And talk about like the field general, like he's a field general, you know, getting the skill guys right. All right, line, what do I see? I see the

safety rotation coming down. All right, we're going here. No, no, no. It's dressed up. We're going to go here. Like, he's on point with everything. So if anything, Pat really does make it easy. Just as an office alignment, you just have to learn that like, man, when I got 15 behind me, I got a strain. You know, because there's no telling what's going to happen.

Because he's going to make something out of nothing. He always does. What was the, what was the play where or was there a play where you kind of like missed a block and Pat kind of made up for it though and you was like damn like if I didn't have a quarterback that was that good like that would have looked bad on me. Yeah, I got plenty of those.

I think, man, I can't really like 10.1. But I just think like honestly the stuff that you guys don't even see in practice is what will blow your mind the most, man. Like just nonchalant around the back under the leg, like just crazy stuff that he does. that's just like when you rewind it you're like yeah he really did just throw that perfectly like how did he do that? I think that's a cool

thing about that man he can do some things that like before I got to the chiefs I didn't know it would even be possible. All of us not even on the field when we saw Pat Mahomes and was like you know this is a shortstop what the fuck are we? Was there also like a play that you know maybe blindside you have your back blocking

and you felt like that shit lasted five fucking minutes pause and you're like yo he really still has this play going. Do you have one specific in mind? Because there's been Pat Mahon shit that they've clocked where that play has lasted 35 seconds while he was back there.

Yeah, there's a ton of those. I was thinking probably the most recent one. I think we played, I think it was in Cleveland. We played the Browns. And he just extended the play, I think, got a touchdown. There's a play,

maybe my second year against the Bengals in the playoffs. I'll tell you right now, I was blocking my ass off. And I was just like, ain't no way to ball. Yeah, bro. But once again, he finds a way the touchdown, like,

it's just, it's never, it never ceases to amaze me how he can always extend it and then make something happen. You know, it's just not normal, man. Now, we just watched the NFL draft and obviously, you know, the big news was Shador dropping in the draft,

which kind of caught everybody by surprise. You, yourself, you were drafted in the sixth round and have had, you know, amazing success. Two-time Super Bowl champion, pro bowler. started every game, you know, you've had your success, even though you went in the later rounds. What was it like watching Shador in the draft and like, and reading everything that everybody was saying and like, oh, he's dropping?

Like, what was your mindset watching Shador go through that? Yeah, man. You don't want to see any player go through that. That's the first thing. You know, I mean, everyone, I'll speak for myself. I had expectations. I wanted to go second, first round, you know, high round draft. That's what I was my dream, my goal, right?

I had a medical situation. I had blood clots in both sides of my lungs. So, like, for me, it was different. But watching him, I noticed some things that are sort of similar from what I experienced.

Like, obviously, I'm not Shadurr Sanders, bro. I'm not going to have a whole camera set up ESPN streaming by my house 24-7. But, like, you know what I mean? Just the facial expressions, a little bit of disappointment,

but you can tell he has a strong spirit, man. He wasn't letting that get to him. It wasn't letting to get him down. But it's definitely something that I don't want see. I hated to see it. I never like we won a player falls in the draft.

We're talking about a pivotal point in people's careers and lives and something they can remember forever. So it was tough to watch. But ultimately, you know, all you need at the end of the day is a competitor is an opportunity. Now he's got an opportunity to just make something out of it. You know, I may prove people wrong. For me, I always carried a ship on my shoulder that all

the teams and people that passed on me, you know, I have something to prove. Every time I step on that field, you know, I'm worth it. I'm worth the pick. You guys made a mistake. So for him, let's let him use that as fuel to his fire and just keep striving, though. When you go into your first camp as a rookie, does the draft pick have any type of stain or energy on that first day?

Like are some of the veterans or even some of the players that have been there for two, three, four years? Did they know everyone's draft pick and treat people a certain way? I think, like, if you're a high round guy, like, if you're a top 15 dude or a first rounder, that everyone's all right. He's our first round guy. Even second round guys, they're really good. But I would say, man, it's not necessarily like a treatment.

Like, we'll just mess with you a little bit of all first round. You know, what was that? What was that signing bonus? You know what I mean? But other than that, it's even playing field. When you step on that field and you're competing, you're just showing the coaches what you have. You know, they already sort of know your potentials and abilities. But now it's an even playing field.

I don't care if you're a first round pick, future Hall of Famer, you know, whatever you are, sixth round, undrafted lowly guy. Like, at the end of day, we all got to put our hands in that dirt and go prove something. We all got to go earn something every single day. I don't care where you got drafted. To me, you're good enough. What was some of the worst rookie hazing that you had at your first camp? Man, we had it really good at the Chiefs.

Coach Reed, man, Coach Reed, man, the best coach ever, man, all of family. He ain't playing. He don't look like he playing none of that shit. He ain't with none of that rookie age of that. He ain't going at all. Coach Reese's not with that. He made that very clear. I came in with Creed Humphrey.

So he was a second round draft pick. I was a six-round draft pick, but we were the only two O'Line draft picks that year. And for us, we didn't experience any hazing whatsoever. We did have a fine board system. That was terrible. What's the fine board? Yeah, so it all depends, man. It could be simple things, like, okay, I had a bad play.

Damn, he got me, right? Hand clap, that's $50. Hang dog, have my head down. I'm open after a game or something. That could be another $50. You give us a question from the coach, idiot, fine. Like it could be anything, bro. I like that.

Yeah, anything, bro. So at the end of the day, I think, like, Creed and I, we did our averages, maybe like a year or two ago. I think we were paying like $580, like, a week, Justin Fines, man. So they figured a way to get it out of us, but it was all good for it. Because everyone had to do, it wasn't just rookies. Are you able to file that with the IRS, like, as an expense?

Yeah, we ended up spending up into your old line trip. So it was all good. It all worked out, man. Now, you're from Humboldt, Tennessee, so I'm guessing, I've never been, but I'm guessing country music is the most popular genre in Humboldt. But what was the rap scene like? What was the hip-hop scene like in growing up in Humbold? Like, what are some of the artists that, you know, you and your friends were listening to a high school or like just in the neighborhood? Like, what was some of the music that y'all were playing?

Yeah. So, like, I got to preface it by saying, like, my mom, I said a son, if she raised me, and she was like, whatever music, find an appreciation for all of it. You know, it was never like, I'm not going to listen to this or that. Like, I'm all over the place of my musical ear. I would say, like, because of Humbold's close proximity is in West Tennessee, maybe like 45, 50 minutes from Memphis, we got a lot of influence from Memphis. So, like, obviously, money back, yo, who's schistee, Big 30, young Dolph was huge.

I love Dolph, man, R.R.P. Begloch, man, Project Pat, you want to take you even back further. Anything from the Dirty South, that's sort of what we were listening to. but as I got older, you know, Drake was a big listen to in my car, especially when I got my first truck in high school. Isaiah Rashad, J. Cole. I was really a big fan of TDE. And obviously, you can't leave our future at Duggar, man.

Those two guys, that's who I listen to all the time. Yeah, now you brought that up, and I'd even seen in our notes that Josh sent that you're a big Kendrick fan, and I was a little worried about this interview because we do have OVOM all here. What's your opinion on the GNX album? I loved it, man. I love that there are some parts of it there's some box on there like

that's not really meant for me I'm not really gonna be super West Coast with some of the things but for me like the heart part six that's like classic Tenture for me love that I really love reincarnated and that sort of speaks of like Tendrick

as an artist for me just how deep he thinks and just sort of the connections he makes with some of his songs but yeah man I really enjoyed the album what I say is his best word I wouldn't say that

but like I really enjoyed it for me as a Kendrick fan I've been eating good for the past 12 months, bro. Like, can't get another one I've been seeing, bro. Drop out the drop. So it's been great. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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And without this trouble, I'm going to die. Open your free I-Heart Radio app. Search the Cito Show. And listen now. I think that that's been kind of like the consensus through it all, though. Everybody was just happy that that moment gave us music from two artists that we supported and we love. Like, I think everybody feels like, yo, listen, it's a battle. And these guys may not like each other.

But us fans, we're getting great music out of it. And I think that was the consensus. I mean, me and Rory talked about that. Like, we get it. It kind of divided, you know, people and pick aside this and the third. But overall, we got great music out of it. 100%, man. Growing up, like, just around country music, period.

With the Cowboy Carter tour starting now and, you know, Beyonce's album, we saw with the award shows where she was not getting the credit that was just due and felt like she was kind of an outsider to country music, do you feel that way? I mean, I don't listen to country like that. I just like the Cowboy Carter album. Do you feel like she just did something just to do it? Was that really part of the country theme that you feel like?

I think Beyonce and her team are elite. I think some of the best of what they do by far. And I think if Beyonce wanted to transition in the country, I think she can do anything personally. I'm a big, not I'm not saying, I'm a huge Beyonce fan, B.I. Or anything like that. But like, I love what she does.

You know, she makes great music. I just feel like country music. it can be semi-selective with who they let in. You know what I mean? I think that could be an issue a lot of times. Or like, you aren't traditionally a country music person. So, like, why are we going to, quote-unquote, like, respect you? By the end of day, she made a damn good album.

Absolutely. He needs to be recognized and deserves to be recognized. And she's from Texas. Yeah, come on. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, this got to be more open-minded, bro. It's a beautiful album. So, Trey, I like, he's like, yeah, no, Beyonce's dope, but you're more of a Chris

Stableton guy here. I hear you're more of a, in the Chris Stableton. Now, do you pull up to the practice facility banging Chris Stapleton? No, sir. Never not. Now, maybe if I'm, like, pulling off and it's like a chilled day, I just finished work. And, like, you know, I'm out a little bit in the country a little bit. And I just want to chill out.

That's more so when I go back home to Tennessee and get back out in the country. But it's not like my daily driver. But Chris Tableton, to me, whenever I heard Tennessee whiskey for the first time, I was like, well, who is this dude singing the song, man? Yeah. Now I started diving into more of his music. I'm like, man, this guy's awesome. Yeah, he's great.

No, Chris Daibleton is, he's dope. I love Chris Daibleton. How do you feel about like the Jelly Rose, Shibuzzi, the newer scene that's going on now? Yeah, I like it too. I think Jelly Rolls dope. More so than just his music, I think he's a dope human being. For sure, yeah. Just listen to the podcast and learn more about his story and who he is as a person.

That's really cool. And then Shibuzzi hopping onto the scene and just dominating it right now, like how he has been. I think it's really cool to see him having as much to send his success. that he's having right now. So I like both them. I'll take it back to old school, like Johnny Cash, Wayland Jennings,

you know, Merle Haggard. Like, yeah, I'm in real country stuff, bro. Now, as part of the O-line,

you all, you do a great job at protecting a billion dollars. We can call him the billion-dollar man. Has he ever, what has he done for his offensive line? Like, how has he taken care of the guys

that have taken care of him? How has Pat Mahom's taking care of his O-line? Yeah, pass-goat, man. There's not, there's probably not enough good things I could say about Pat. One thing I could say he probably gifted me when almost valuable possessions, like two Rolex watches. He got us a golf cart, club cart, fully tricked out.

Own all new golf clubs, hopefully sunglasses. Like, the list goes on and on in terms of like how he shows love. You know what I mean? For me as a big dude, like, if you take me out of dinner and we're going to a five-star dinner and we have a stasis, that's good enough from me, dog. I love you, for him. You know what I'm saying? His quarterback takes his O-line out for dinner.

I know he's tricking out fucking golf cars and putting rims on them. Get Trey at Rollins, man. He said my boss of life last night, man. Yeah. Yeah, man. My head knocked off. That's amazing, though, man.

He always, like, he makes it a big point of emphasis to show love every single time. So it's just dope being able to work with him. Now I have to ask about another superstar that is on the team. Do you guys consider Travis a part of the O-line sometimes? Or is he just a glorified receiver?

He doesn't block that much He definitely earned his rank, man Try to get some trenches And puts his hand down And gets to work You know, that's my guy, man Now that's juice man We heard that Kelsey Jam

You won the wing eating contest Yeah How many how many How many wings did you eat, Tray? All right, so I love, I love hot wings, bro That's like my weakness It turns like cheap food

Whatever So that was like That was heaven for you Yeah, it was easy Yeah It was a compliment Thank you Appreciate it

So pretty much, man, the dude I was going against, I could tell he was struggling early on. So I didn't want to OD it. So I think I only did like eight, eight. He did like three. So I could have done way more damage. I think in my, the most queens I probably ever eaten in one sitting. I'm embarrassed to say it's 50. Yeah, I put down 50 in a thing.

Jesus. How much time? Probably like 40 minutes. Methodical. Methodical. I like it. Very methodical. That's a hundred men versus one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. One man versus 50 wings. 40 minutes. All of those wings fucking demolished. One of our co-hosts, DeMaris, we had a challenge for it. What was it? 50 mozzarella sticks in one hour? Yeah, she told her she could eat 50 mozzarella sticks.

We knew there was no way she could. She made it to, like, what, 15? If that. I don't even think she made it to 15. All right, so I feel like wings and fried cheese is a whole different monster. You think you could do 50 mozzarella sticks in one hour? Well, I'm lactose intolerance. So for all of our things, man, hopefully I would need.

50 mottesrella sticks the fucking toilet is broke tray and for the love of the game in theory do you think you could do that i don't know if i'd even want to eat 50 mozzarella yeah that's what's to eat 50 mozzarella stinks 50 is nuts bro that's crazy all right who is the uh who is the toughest defender that you lined up across and was like damn this guy's good yeah uh Aaron Donald Yeah, that dude, there's a reason he's going to be your first battle in my eyes, in my opinion. Just he's completely different. The cat, the way he plays the game, mental approach, and just going up against him.

Like, you know, there's some guys are able to just get your hands on, shut him down. It's over with. And some dudes are just, all right, he was different. Like, that guy was different. So much respect to him, you know what I mean? We had, we had Terrell Suggs on for the last episode. And, you know, obviously he was one of the guys that, if you hear any coach talk about coach bellichick just spoke about him on his podcast a couple weeks ago

and said you know any guy that i had to double team every play is the first ballot hall of fame in my book now obviously terrell sugs wasn't uh inducted into the hall on his first ballot which i think is a crime but did you watch terrell sugs growing up was he one of the guys that you looked at uh a little bit i feel like i was more so like a ray lewis guy okay i love watching ray but me obviously he was there too. But, uh, so, he was definitely a name you heard.

Uh, there's a dude name, uh, we all know, Patrick Willis, you know, played for the 49ers. So Patrick's from Bruce and Tennessee.

She saw like 30 minutes from I'm from. So I remember just hearing stories about him, you know, even at Ole Miss and then what he was doing, obviously in the league. Like for me, I was trying to look for guys close to my area that I can sort of compare myself to when I still thought I was,

uh, going to be skinny and lean and not fat. So, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, of course in high school, everyone like,

for the most bar, plays both ways, especially if you're good. Was O-line always your dream that that's what you wanted to do, or was there another position? Yeah, I always thought I would be a defensive line, man. I was always sort of like the big kid. So when it came down to it, I remember I went to a football camp at Alabama, and I think I had started the first day off at D-line, and then one of the coaches was like,

oh, come your son. He's like, you're going to go straight to the O-Line, man, you know, fast enough. So that's when I realized it, man, at early age, you know, my feelings were hurt a little bit. I thought I was going to be getting sacks and tackles for losses in the league. But, you know, O-Line's not so bad. The pace good. So it's great. I like it.

I would never switch up now. Being in Tennessee, was Michael Orr a big influence? Oh, yeah. I would say the blind side, when that movie dropped, everyone was sort of, you know, in terms of football like that as an offense of limer, you're like, okay, I'm going to try to drive my guy into the coolers. You know, I'm going to try to be like Michael Orr. So that was pretty cool.

I mean, he played at Briar Press. We played Briarrest, a couple times. So. Was that movie accurate? No. Just wanted to check. It felt like a white exec put that movie together. As years have gone by, the more I'm like, eh, nah.

And I'm in my floor, oh, it's the movie. So, like, that's the biggest indictment itself. Like, he's telling you you guys aren't representing me well. So to me, that's all you hear it. Who's one of the most underrated defenders that you've played against? as you lined up across in your opinion, that people may not really talk about enough for you? Yeah, I would say Malik Collins,

he was a de-tapper with the Texans for a long time, who was just with the 49ers last season. I think he's extremely underrated. I was going to say Coona Ford, he's with the Chargers last season. Turchon Warden, who plays on the Chiefs, in terms of a three-tech and interior defense of linemen for his size, the amount of power and speed he has.

You know, he can be very disruptive. Now, he got rewarded extremely well this season. Shout out the Turk, man, getting that big contract. But I would say, Tershan, to me, is probably my number one, most underrated guy in terms of what he brings to the table and in terms of the recognition that he gets. All right, man, just because we're in the podcast world, we do have to ask certain questions that we're uncomfortable, even asking.

But I know I'm sure you signed to NDA. Did the entire energy change once Taylor Swift entered the organization? the organization. Once she purchased the chiefs, did things change? Once you drafted Taylor Swift, did things change in the locker room? Not at all, man. Like, it honestly, it just was super normal, you know, being able to meet her early on and just talking to her.

I think once you meet her as a human being in a person, like face-to-face, and sort of understanding you realize, like, man, she really is a beautiful human being. She's awesome. She's super nice. She's thoughtful. She's kind, you know. when she remembered my name, my sister's name, I could meet us like months later. Like that meant a lot, you know, just a small thing.

And for me, unknowingly, I didn't know how big of the deal of Taylor Swift was. You know what I mean? How much of a star she is until, like, she got there and I started realizing, like, I started watching people move around. I'm like, okay, this is different. You know what I mean? But I think the biggest thing with Taylor is, like, how nice for a person she is. So, Trey, did you have to go to a formal class to memorize that answer?

Blink twice. No, man. Did Secret Service prepare you for that answer? I'm sure she's a very nice human being. She seems that way. But I can already see that being like, all right, we have to watch game film and then we have to go to our Taylor course. Yeah. No, I promise, man.

It was no big deal. Like, I mean, dude, she really is dope. Like, she's awesome. Who controls the music in the locker room? Who's the one that has the best taste of music on the team? And has Travis ever played 1989 on the, uh, auxiliary chord in the locker room? I'll say he hasn't done that.

I will say, man, it's sort of like a battle because it's really between the D-line, O-line, and sometimes the D-Bs. Also, the D-line, they play good music, you know, trying to get you hyped up before practice and people, you know, you don't feel like going out there, they do a really good job. O-line, we sort of mix it up.

We could be chill vibes. We could be turning you up. It just depends. You know, on the day, everyone's feeling in the session. But I always say probably, you know, there are a couple of dudes in the team that that sort of get us right. Juan Taylor always gets some music right for us in the O-line. Has anybody ever, now you're a big guy, Trey.

Has anybody ever approached you because you didn't cover their ticket on Fandall? Never. Never face-to-face. Only on line. What's some wild DMs you've gotten or crazy tweets or whatever that have to do with betting?

Yeah, so I think I had like by the holding penalty, either in the playoffs last year, it was a show, I don't remember it was, but man, they lived me crazy. Bro,

deals were crazy for a night. The thing is, like, I only get mad if it's, like, not funny, but you send me a funny one, like,

you know, that's funny. I'm like, I'll laugh at that. I'm like, show my girl, you know, so,

but it gets pretty bad. Man, I feel like almost the league, maybe some parties involved I do something to protect the players a little bit, because it is, for some dudes

who make really bad errors and mistakes, It can't be egregious when they get sent, man. It's not cool at all. Yeah. What's the relationship that the O-line has with referees? Because obviously we know like quarterbacks are the first people to typically speak to the referee. We see in the NBA is always the number one player that could speak to a ref.

Withholding probably being the highest clip of a penalty, do you ever even go near a ref or try to make some type of relationship with them? To feel out like what's allowed and what's not allowed? Yeah, it's funny you say that. my rookie year we played the Cowboys in Arrowhead and man

I got like three holding calls in the game right so I'm my second out of three my Parsons of the inside move the way he hit me just put me

in an offer position so I try to like cover him up and just like run them off and so basically I did the best I could I didn't think it was a hold but I get my third penalty

so now I'm pissed I'm a rookie and everyone's looking at me like damn bro it's the third one like tightening up so I'm over here cuss and Matt

I'm cussing Matt and I look at the referee, and I said some not so nice choice words to him. And, man, he threw that fourth one. Coach yanks me out. Boy, I said, oh, man, I said, it's over the way. I'm going to get fired. I was it.

But, man, it's funny because I was worried the entire time because you verbally harassed a referee in NFL's automatic $30,000 fine. Now, six-round traffic, didn't get a lot of bread. That's a big chunk. You know, that's a big chunk that year. So I was nervous, you know, God willing, I didn't get fine. It's funny enough, like probably a year later, that same referee, I ended up seeing him prior to the game. And I just, you know, I just told him, hey, man, you know, I want to apologize to what happened in that game last year.

I was a really poor reflection of who I am as a person. Like, I was out of pocket of me. You know, my emotions get the best of me, blah, blah, blah. And after that, we were good. You know what I mean? He'll give me a little head. Like, hey, you know, you can't do this or we're watching this. You know, pretty much as, hey, this is what we need you to do.

Don't do that. You know what I mean? Or just give you a little of a break. But I would say. the plane feels very fair in the NFL for the most part. Referee's definitely attentive. They listen, they watch and do a good job. But, you know, like that one time when I got out of it,

I had to go apologize, man. You don't want those problems. You do not want those problems. What's the wildest thing you've ever heard in a pile up, like whether a fourth and one or just any time a run gets stopped and it's just a big ass pile? Everyone's on top of each other. What do y'all be yelling at each other?

Which I be saying to each other when it's like fourth and one and pack, does a quarterback sneak? and y'all on the ground. What do y'all be saying? You're like down there for like 10, 15 seconds. I know some conversation is happening. Gotta keep the trench talk confidential, man. It's too wild.

I respect that, Trey. I respect that. It's probably as wild as online gaming. Yeah. I can't violate, but man, you know, it's just running, but there's some foul stuff happens in the piles. I don't want to be in a mass power, bro. Just just no.

I can imagine. I think any given Sunday was telling you. 100%. 100%. All right, Trey, well, we have some questions for you. They say we don't know Ball. So you have some questions for us, too, about Ball. But we have some questions for you about music.

So we're going to see how much music Trey Smith does or doesn't know. And then you'll see exactly how much Ball me and Rory absolutely do not know. Good. Which Memphis rap group helped pioneer the Krunk Sound and won an Oscar for Best Original Song? Is it A, UGK, B, Outcast, 3, I'm sorry, C, 3-6 Mafia, D, Guddy Mob. Three since Mafia? Yeah, that was the easiest one ever. We better have some easy ones now.

Yeah, Trey, you better have some easy ones for us, man. Give us a easy one, man. See what I can do. All right. What Office of Guard in Chiefs Franchise history has been to the most pro bowls? A, Will Shields, B, Brian Waters, C, Marvin Terrell, or D, Jeff Allen. Can I get a lifeline? Can I phone a friend?

Can I phone you? I'm going to say, is it? it C, Marvin Terrell? Dope. Roy? Man. I'm just guessing my tutor when I was in elementary school when I was in special class told me usually the answer is B

on a Scantron. So I'm going to go with B. Think that was Will Shields, right? I don't know. I'm just going with B. Hey, it works. Willisills. Let's go Space Camp. The most progoles, man. We'll take it. My bad, Will. Shout out Will.

What label is Young Dolph, the founder of? These are the easiest questions. A, heavy camp, B, no limit south, C, paper route empire, D, Cacheville Records. B, paper route, baby. Paper route, empire. Yeah, we're going to have to... All right now, man. We got to get this one, man.

We got to get this one. Well, no, you won. You got that one. You got that's what happens when you go to slow classes. Exactly. They give you the cheat codes. B on the Scantron. Come on.

All right, here we go. Second question. Who was the first quarterback in Chiefs History to win? a Super Bowl. A. Lynn Dawson, B, Joe Montana, C, Elvis Garback, and then D. Alex Smith. I'm going to give you a hint. You got to go way back in time. So get to those older sounding names. Because Joe Montana only had, what, two years of the Chiefs after the Niners? Yeah. Did he get a ring though? So I'm trying to think did Joe get a ring? Did he get the Chiefs of ring?

I can narrow it down the two If you all want me to Yes please do All right It's either Lynn Dawson Or Elvis Garbeck Lynn Dawson

Yeah I'm going Lynn Boom correct Lynn Dawson Because I don't even know The fucking Elvis guys I do I was gonna go Joe Montana first But then Lynn Dawson

You can take this one This is your guy All right Which song earned Fuck Which No I'm just joking Which song earned

Kendrick Lamar Pulitzer Prize for music the first time it was awarded to a hip hop artist a humble B DNA C all right or D loyalty C all right Tip up a butterfly let's go

No that is wrong With the confidence It's actually humble A Whoa for real Humble Humble earned Kendrick a Pulitzer Prize for music The first time it was awarded to a hip hop artist

Wow Yeah I'm off there Let's try to tie it up All right You got one more for us. You got one last one? Yep. All right.

So I went to the University of Tennessee. I think we have the best fight song in college football. So is it A or Eagle, B, rammer jammer, C, Rocky Top, or D, Rambling Rec? C. So C? You're on the point. Rocky Top. That's our fight song, baby.

Just fucking go. We know ball, Roy! Come on. Come on. Since those were easy, I have a bonus question. Which Memphis rapper started out as a pimp and then took a couple of his hose and invested that money into somebody

that he went to school with that worked at the church that had a keyboard? And then he met a white guy that had an MPC. Yep. And together they created three amazing records and then he had a chance to meet ludicrous at a bar but instead he knocked ludicrous out in a bathroom.

In a bathroom. What was the name of that Memphis rapper? You know it was crazy. I don't even know his name, but I know it's Terrence Howard. Damn, I forgot his name. Let's go, Trey. Let's fucking go, man.

Let's fucking go. Trey, can you tell us more about girls get in the game and all girls flag football camp that you're putting on together? Yeah, man. We're partnering with Girls' Crosters of America in my hometown.

just putting on an event. You know, we did a football camp for boys last year. And, you know, we just want to do something special for the girls in the community to give them confidence, allow them to play the game as well, to have a good time and a good experience. So anybody out here is listening, you have a young daughter that wants to come out, play a little fly football. You know, we have a camp coming up in Jackson, Tennessee.

We'd love to have you guys down there. How many? How many years have you been doing it? This is my second year. Last year was my first football camp ever. How was that, like, for, a young player, like having a football camp, and especially like you're getting girls into flag football.

Like, how is that experience teaching girls football? Yeah, it's dope, man. You know, the girls have an interest of playing football. Even with my football camp, that generally a lot of boys went to, we had some girls that want to participate too, and we're not going to turn them away either. You know, I don't feel like you should discriminate based on that.

Like, let them go out there, have fun. They're all kids. Like, let them have a great time, let them learn the game. They want to get close to it. They want to learn and, you know, allow them an opportunity. I used to play flag football in fourth grade. I had girls in my team. So, you know, I allowed them opportunity.

Did you ever have Field Day at any year's school? Yeah. So Field Day, we had flag football. And the girls shit, they'd separate it. But the thing we would wait for was when the girls did that because that was the most intense flag football you have ever seen in your entire life. Yeah.

It's always fun watching like girls play football. You didn't know that they were athletic. And then you see how fast the cute girl in school is. You're like, y'all don't even know she was that fast. Like, how is she this fast? this pretty. Like, this is fucking crazy. When you were of age, of course. Yeah. This is the best worst plug ever for

this amazing thing. No, no. I think. No, I actually. Like, what he's doing is incredible for the youth. But that's why I asked him because I wanted to know just how it was just coaching, like coaching girls playing football. I never, you know, that's pretty dope. So it's your second year. Good luck. If you need us

to come down and just have some fun and kick it at the, at the camp. I'm more than willing to come down to Tennessee and see what it's about, man. I appreciate that, man. What you do? Where's the best place to find, like, website, Instagram, socials that somebody could sign up for this?

Yeah, probably on my Instagram. I have a couple of links in my bio. I made a recent post about it. So if you go to Trace Smith, all lowercase on Instagram, you can find all the information pertaining to it. Great. And we'll also put a link in the YouTube here.

If you hit the little arrow down, you'll be able to click it. See, that's how bad I am. We'll put the little... The link right there. Drop-downs it drop-down? Yeah. Right here.

It's in this. area over here. You'll be able to click it and sign up. Trey, we appreciate you taking some time to kick it with us, man. I'm looking forward to seeing you back on the field healthy. You know, Pat, he needs you back there, man. He needs you. He need you protect that billion dollar, that billion dollar investment back there. Good luck with everything you're doing.

Good luck with the flag football camp. And we'll see you and talk to you down the line. And whenever you're in New York, you got to come out of studio and come kick it with us, man. I love the opportunity, bro. Appreciate you guys having me on, man. Trey Smith, Rory Mall, don't know ball. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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