New Rory & MAL - Season 1 | "Cha Cha Chicken" (feat. Earl Sweatshirt, WESTSIDE BOOGIE, & Justice)

Episode Date: June 19, 2021

RORY & MAL head to LA and sit with Earl Sweatshirt, WESTSIDE BOOGIE, and Justice of LVRN and discuss LA vs NY vs ATL, DR vacations, what type of guy their friends are around women, WS being Eminem's hype man, paying for companionship, and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Only domestic, it's called paying taxes. Yeah, exactly. That's what he is. Only domestic prostitution costs. International, you're fine. I mean, but the concept is, I mean, you end up paying anyway. At some point, you're paying for pussy rebuttal. So it's just like, just like, I guess, eliminate in like the middle.

Okay, explain. What do you mean you... Like dinner. You gotta take her out. It's a courty grade. The restaurant is in the middle, man. The restaurant is just to make her feel better about doing something she was going to do anyways. Like, oh, look, I'm being treated well.

I'm a gentleman. No, you're just falling into social norms. Like, we should just go fuck. if we want to. Yeah. And I'm like I look at you differently. But you made a good point about guys that feel like women just like them all the time. Oh my God.

No, it's important to have one of those guys in the crew because it really helps your field goal percentage. I do. It makes you look cool, huh? No, it does make you look wild cool. It does. If you got one, oh, she ready, she on you. It's going to force you to shoot. It's important to have them type of guys on your team, man.

It just feel like every girl likes them. But you gotta know that that's the friend though, because any time a dude is say, I got five coming, they're all ready. They've never been ready. Not one of them. Here I am, I'm woken in thinking they're ready. I should have been on my A game.

Yeah, but it gives you that confidence, to at least start the conversation. Because a lot of the times, guys just don't know how to start a conversation. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'll take that dude over the, yo, where the chick's at, where the chicks at, where the chicks at.

And then when the chicks get there. Oh, then you go. The way of that, nigga. Where a hose at, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't like that. I called someone out on the DR trip on that.

Yo, my boy was doing that. It's the same person. He got two personalities. They do. At one moment he did. Where the hose at is crazy. I hate that type of guy. But you know the type of guy I really hate though?

The guy that's like just starting to like glow up a little bit in life. Uh-huh. Man, you know how when you see somebody, but like you just, because they're not famous, that famous, that yet. Right. You don't really know who they are, but you know they're a face. looks very familiar. So you know I'm in the club and I'm like, yo I feel like I know you mind you we're in a very like you know I'm saying like it's just no bums around right and like I feel like I know everybody's doing pretty good yeah everybody's

doing all right yeah I'm saying you know he's like nah you don't know me I hate that type of guy now you don't know me nah it's just like on some like I'm famous you don't know me you might be a fan type of nigger like oh yeah nah that's corny that's not even that's corny that's corny did that tomorrow. And the fast food. Nah. So, so.

Oh, yeah, that type of guy. No, no, no, it wasn't that. It wasn't that. Yeah, I was holding it down. Yeah, what happened was in car. Yeah, he did. He did what he was supposed to do. I was in the car in front of this spot called Chau Chau Chicken, Santa Monica.

And so I seen Earl, so I know him and Hop, he fucked with Hop, heavy. Like, so I didn't see Hop yet. So when I see Earl, I was parking, I seen Earl, I just rode the winter and I was like, Oh, Earl, what up? So he kind of looked. He was like, was good. I was like, yo, where Hoppat? So he was like, you know, because you're asking,

a random guy asking with your man. You're like, I'm trying to lie on my man. I don't know. Like, I don't know. I said, not. Right. But I knew what it was. So I said, nah, I'm his little brother, man.

Like, just tell him I'm looking for him. And then that's what I definitely was like this definitely clip. When he said it was his brother, I was like. Right, but I saw it. So the funny shit is I hit hot later on. I was like, yo, I just saw Earl. And I already know he probably thinking some funny shit. And then he told me, like, yeah, and I've seen him the next day.

He told me, he was like, yeah, that dick definitely was like, yo, something like I definitely slid on hop, like, yo, man. I was a chat check. But I respect it, though, because he was like, yo, nah, like, I don't know where he had. Well, I respect that. I guess it's more so, like, it's just like, and then took it a step further. The next conversation, I was like, yo, bro, it's not even that deep. I'm going to introduce myself to you.

Tell you who I am and what I have to offer to the world. Right. And the niggas still like, nah, nah, you don't know. He ain't know you though. But it doesn't matter, but I'm just like I hate that type of guy. Yeah, I mean that's, you know. I know what you mean. Like the other day, niggas was like, yo, I know what you talk about.

Like, yo, why I know you felt? Mm-hmm. Like, yeah, like, yeah, I do music. You feel me? Like, nigg was like, what? I'm like, Earl. Like, boom, all right, peace, easy, yeah, so goodbye.

Yeah, but for me it's really more so even from the aspect of, if you're, if you're trying to, If you're in a club, you're in a club for one or two things, right? It's either for girls or like to meet new people, right? I'm never going to the club like, yo, can't wait to meet some new fellas. Thanks. You go to the club for girls for most parts.

Or the environment, if you like music and alcohol, you can go for the environment. Right. Well, not really, because if I come in your section, right, if you invite me on I come to your section, I know that everybody around is going to be worth meeting. So I'm never, you know what I'm saying? My thing is all in context, right?

Like if you invite me, I know every, If you invite me, I know everybody's gonna be worth meeting. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, I'm not gonna act weird. Yeah, but the club thing with meeting girls. I guess just in New York thing, because he was a New York nigga too. But y'all, and also the language, too. He also just chestmated you on the language shit.

Nigger said, yeah, I know you. I don't know. Yeah, that's hilarious. You're like, nah, you don't know. That shit would have pissed me off. No, it did. I actually got high. I was like, bro, relax.

And then it ended up coming together who the nigger was. actually got madder. I'm like, nigga. Right. You don't contribute much to the world. Right. Like, I really now you feel, you feel whack for even like approaching him. No, I don't feel whack because like, for me, I just always want to introduce myself around and niggas I'm around. Right. That's just, that's, yeah,

so y'all was in the same section. Oh, no, Senheed, yeah, he approached that all. If we're the same section, but what that mean, though? Because that's the second time I'm saying that. So now I got to, so now we got to open up that conversation. Yeah, what does that mean? New York niggas be mad, hot stuff for no reason, bro. It's just like, it's a certain type of

I'm from Atlanta, bro. But it's a certain type of New York. Some niggas just started getting money. Some niggas just started getting attention from pretty women. Yeah. Some niggas just started traveling. Like, you're gonna come to type of- New York niggas is hell of mean.

Yeah. But at least you know where you stand with-in- No, bro. I feel like niggas will run into it more with L.A. You don't feel like if a niggas... Yeah, I think L.A. niggas is way more aggressive, L.A. niggas is definitely, if you hit the wrong, L.A. niggas is definitely, if you hit the wrong,

you're gonna be like, Yeah. A nigga will flare up something crazy. Like, what do you mean? Yeah, like, what do you mean? See, I don't think New York, I don't think we're that type of aggressive. Like, if you meet a New York person at that,

that type of shit, he was just a- Bothered, bro. They're just in that bad city. Like, why, bro? It's not really that we bother. You know what it is? We just, uh, it's no bullshit with us, for the most part.

It's very, like, straight on. You know what I'm saying? Well, you just elongated the bullshit by saying you don't know me. Like, nigg. No, him, that's just a, we gotta have a case study on him. Like, we don't know what he had going on. We don't know, you know what I'm saying, his insecurities, his ego.

It could have been deeper in a cry for help. Like, you don't know me. Yeah, like, I don't even know myself. Type of shit. Like, of course, no, you don't know me. I don't know me. You know what I'm saying? Like, so it's probably that type of thing, too.

Nah, it's not. For the most part, it's just. Because when I piece into who this nigga is, I'm like, oh, okay, I know the type of nigga you are. So his ego is just. Yeah, yeah. It's so flared up. Yeah, so that's not a New York thing.

That's just a man thing. No, but, but, like, that mix with, like, probably, like, Brooklyn. A little bit of that sprinkling in the pot. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, I get it. My issue with L.A. and Atlanta is a very selfish one. That's crazy. That's already, you know, I don't share the same, like, women.

Well. Nah, bro, we, first off, I'm going to just tell you straight off, we got nature. We have things like trees. Fact. You can see. Central Park. You don't have Central Park. Yeah.

Your shit is like- You both have terrible traffic. But y'all don't sure the same Nurture shit is like remember nature. Your traffic not, not terrible? Nah, she's all right. We got pockets. It's certain times a day where you, you know what I mean?

This Atlanta New York battle has been happening all weekend. He said y'all stole hookah from them. Yo, fam, this man really sad New York culture is hookah. And I'm like, no. He started this shit. No, you didn't. Do you know, see, now you're about to get me canceled from the same.

I was smoking hookah with Habibi in 2005. Y'all just got the shit too. Yeah, but what? Bro, what? You got to understand, bro. Convince me, because it's hard to convince me that New York, because it's hard to convince me that New York, because Hougar been in New York thing since for years now.

Right, but you got to understand with how the culture travels. Absolutely. So what I'm saying is that I've been coming to New York since I was about 13, right? A kid, I don't know what year was. Cool, this is not 2005, though. But, yeah, 2007. ish, right? Yeah, whatever. Anyways, what's your industry age? I'm 29. I can't even throw it away. I can't wait to be 40.

But yeah, so anyways, I used to go out to the club and hookah was not a part of the fabric. Like, I would have to travel all the way downtown somewhere into like some weird alley. No, in New York. Okay. To find a hookah lounge. As versus Atlanta, bro, there's hookah at the Starbucks. You pull up in your valet in your car and the valet got a hookah in the parkland But I think what Rory said is we had it It was a thing first in New York It was never a thing

Even if it was in The culture Even if it was in certain type of like You know Indian restaurants and stuff like that Like even if it was like Indian spots It was in New York first And then let's keep it real

Half of New York Half of New York moved Atlanta anyway No but Atlanta has been doing this for so long because, number one, our African, African population is very large. And also, like I said, just like even like the strip club idea, like that's the reason why Atlanta, because Atlanta, the whole city has moved off of nightlife. Absolutely. Right, as versus New York is so spread and so vast, so many different kinds of people.

Atlanta, the whole city's move of nightlife. And that's what dictates the culture. And the hookah culture was something that Atlanta really was doing. Like forever. No, I get it. But I still think it started in New York. And they got it from Dyke. Yeah, I think so.

I think we can make a valid case about that. No, you can't. I think so. No, you can't. Listen, I'm not saying y'all- Listen, I don't smoke hookah anyway. I'm just trying to instigate that for like 10 minutes. I just wanted to start it up.

Yeah. Like, just like New York is like, I don't know, like they've taken the strip club thing and they were running with it now. No, no, no. Strip club is forever at Atlanta thing. I will always, I will always, you have no argument there for me.

New York strip clubs are terrible. Okay, we got gangbony. Yeah, I think you got it. Yeah, nobody wants to. We don't even, we're gonna stay away for that. You can have that, yeah, you can have that. Yeah, no, I'm cool. I'm cool on that, yeah.

No. But I mean, listen, this is not a, I mean, I love New York. I just wish y'all share the same urgency as I do. Like, I'd be losing my mind in the line at CVS in L.A. Like, why aren't you all annoyed in losing your fucking minds like me? That's what he said. They're bothering, bro. Yeah, I'm, I'm.

selfishly bothered, like, why don't y'all care about my time as much as me? But I get it, though. I get it because y'all don't have a patio. You know your pin. You know, I think you have a patio. It makes life not worth me. Yeah, yeah. I get it.

You're trapped in this. So you just want to move at all times. Are you still living in New York? You can't even look far in New York. You know what I'm saying? You can't have vision. You can't even. You can't even see.

You can't even have vision. It's a building. Yeah. Like, you can't. You get a little far. It's crazy. Your dream stop right here. That's for, hey, cool out, man.

That's fucked up. What's your five-year plan? I'm trying to make it that next block. Bro. But, I mean, one thing about New York that I will say, like, there's no place on this earth. Yeah, please give us. There's no place on this earth that I go and never felt motivated. Like, more than New York.

More than New York. Yeah. Like, that energy is just like you've got to just be something. Yeah. But then you think about it. and you'd be like, yo, there's no patio space. Right. Well, that's the catch-22 of trying to hustle in New York.

You become that fucking insane dude in the CVS line, wondering why these people won't hurry the fuck up. You can't get one without the other. That's just after you suppress. And why did New York niggas love to spit? Me. New York nags love to just spit. Well, it's a crazy place.

Like, man, think about you. Yo, Earl just hi. He's just jumping like, yo, I got all the answers, fellas. I'm gonna tell you why New York is just fucking. You're fucked up. Bro, just think about it. Man. Just think about this place, bro.

You've been there, bro. You've seen this place, right. Yeah. Like, it physically is like that. The environment-built crazy niggas, bro. Well, Brooklyn niggas and they lugies, unmatched. They stay spit at those. But that's some smoking a lot of blunts and shit like that.

Yeah. That's where that comes from. And when you breathe in the air, it starts to build up. Yeah. You gotta release that. Yeah. I love it. You know what I'm saying?

Like, fuck your floor. Yeah, fuck your sidewalk. I love it. You know what I'm saying? You gotta set the tone. It's the temperature check. I hope I didn't get towed. What's you had on your mind?

I hope I didn't get towed. No, that's what you wanted to say. I feel being free agents. Amazing. You know, this out here, like the... Yeah, man. I mean, you know, it's... We always free agents to an extent.

Yeah. No, y'all was Sally workers. Yeah, no, but this is different only because I think creatively now, Rory and myself, we get to do a lot of shit that we want to do. Yeah. And always, like, wanted to do. Yeah. And get to move around more.

Like, we came out here and just chick-it-it-with-niggers. Because you always wanted to be in L.A. I mean, I think L.A. is always a good idea. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Especially when you want to get some shit done. Right. Everybody is always in town.

it feels like. So if you need to see a bunch of people and have meetings or do whatever, it's a perfect opportunity. That whole shit happened and me and more than you talk about. He was like, yeah, you try to go to L.A.

Yeah, like it wasn't even a, it was weird, bro. It wasn't even like a long, like I don't even think we've, to this day, even had a real in-depth conversation about what happened. Yeah, I mean, we did the paywall response,

but that was more so to the bullshit that it just happened. Yeah. That was to kill some narratives. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? That wasn't even about, but like, we haven't had like that conversation where it was like,

it's like every other day we just randomly text each other with more shit and just laugh. Like, yo, it's crazy. Yeah, but then it's like, yo, what do you think about flying here this week to chop it up with so and so, you gotta take this meeting tomorrow with this person? It's more so like that, you know what I mean?

Like it's a real... Well, I mean, keep it above with you. I'm just sad, right? Because I just feel like, I mean, everything happens for a reason, but I just feel like the path that you guys were on, you know, it was just such a beautiful path to watch. That chemistry. You know what I'm saying? But not even the chemistry for me, it's really just, it's the leading by example thing, right? Like, obviously, you know.

It was all capped though. Yeah. See, that's what, that's what, that's, I understand what you're saying. The optic was amazing. Yeah. But when you know what Rory and myself know, it was all just. cap. Like you can't see you can't cry about De La So

not getting these splits on one show and then do what you did to me and Rory. That's why it's hard to be friends and work in the business because in the business it's business right? So like how do you tell the line in

being a business person do what makes sense for your brand or whatever is your building as versus the loyalty and like being you know what I'm saying being down for your friends etc etc. Like, how do you straddle that line? Again, without it being compromising. It's not, see, again, I think we put a lot of bullshit in the game, man, because you can do business with friends.

And I think we got to stop acting like you can't. Because people love to say, don't mix business and friends. You can absolutely do business with friends. You should be able to. You should. You learn a dick about your friends. But, see, that's a different thing. It's just that sometimes in business, you realize, oh, this nigg is just not my friend.

You know what I'm saying? Like you're not my friend. I thought you were my friend, but you're not. But you can absolutely do business with your friends. It's just conversation. It's just transparency. It's just honesty, integrity, morals, character. You know what I'm saying?

It's those types of things where it's like, yo, fuck the money. Let's get back to us. Like, you know in your heart when you're not doing something right. Right. Right? You just know like, Dan, this is right. Yeah, I see. I mean, unless you're sociopath.

Unless you're a sociopath or a narcissist or whatever. These other words that people like to label, I just call it a sucker. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you do sucker shit, like, you know when you do sucker shit. You know what I'm saying? It's like you just on you.

So when you continue to do that, at some point, you've got to know that this person that you're doing it too knows what's going on and he can feel that, like, yo, things have changed. Right. Shit is not the same.

Shit is different. You know what I'm saying? And I just think it gets to a point where it's like, as men, you say, man, enough is enough, man. What are we doing? Right. Because I've sat back for so long

and I just observed. and watch you move a certain way. And it's like, yo, we still homies? And that's where it gets, like, offensive. Because with your friends, you'll always give benefit of doubt first. You'll always even give a grace period to people that you love and our friends with. Even when they do fucked up shit, because we're all humans and we all do make mistakes. So when you're thinking that's your friend, you do give them a grace period.

And then it continues on and continues on. It's like, all right, well, now I'm a hoe. Yeah, I don't even know from friends anymore. Like, you do business with friends, correct? Yeah, all my partners are my best friends. Has it ever been weird with conversations and money? Now, y'all've had hiccups, maybe disagreements. Yeah, we fight all the time.

Right. But I think... But a certain level of respect is always there. Yeah, and the premise of it is always transparency. Absolutely. But, like, you know, that's why we... Because now when we actually started being successful and you said, you know, when money comes in the picture, we have a therapist. Absolutely.

And we do group therapy, like, once every three months. You know what I'm saying? Like, because there's shit that you... You'd be wanting to say, but you just can't say. Right. And when you tell somebody that got money, something you don't want to hear is really a fuck you. Yeah.

But the therapy creates that safe space where it's like an unbiased opinion. That's what I was kind of trying to say. Like a biased opinion that could say something, and you know that the whole intent is love. But, yeah, but you guys also have the beauty of no one wanting to be famous. Y'all want to make famous people. Right. Fame is a hell of a fucking drug.

Right. So when everyone is humbled in that capacity, whereas I don't have to be the man, or I love this attention that I'm getting specifically towards me, it's mine, mind, mind. That's where the ego gets crazy, where it's not even money at that time anymore. Now it's validity for some type of shit.

Yeah. Did you ever run into that shit? I mean, you came up with your friends. Mad friends. Yeah, you've done business with friends. Definitely. Yeah. I mean, y'all was on camera since I was kids.

Yeah. And Dick is definitely different. business like kids fucked up like it's not fucked up but just like however best you can do a job that you don't know how to do right um yeah bro that shit is crazy but a certain level of respect is always there or as friends definitely that's all that it just has to as long as you maintain that we could figure a lot of the shit out you know what I'm saying it's like we can figure that out I mean I'm saying it's like we You can figure that out. I met you guys, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just like, damn, man, that's sad. But hey, we can go out to satch. It's cool on like the creative front, everything. Like, I'm not scared of blank canvases. I think that shit is doing.

Yeah. But yeah, is it sad that three friends fucking fell out publicly? Yeah, that's sad. Some corny shit, but. Yeah, for me, that was like, that was the part where it was like, ugh. You know what I'm saying? But it, we, we, we, we, we, we, we. You can only expect it because we were in the public eye.

You know what I'm saying? So naturally, if the optics change, what happened? What's going on? So you got to address it, you know what I'm saying? But again, man, elevation. You know what I'm saying? Have you ever been opening the reunion? That shit's like my brain at all.

Oh, like a loving hip-hop reunion? But look, like a loving hip-hop reunion. It's crazy. Imagine y'all handled it. It's been mad reunions. Imagine like ideal world, everything, like. Like, y'all noticed creative differences and y'all, like, spoke. Y'all was like, hey, y'all, I'm about to do my own thing.

Y'all went y'all ways. And it was, like, a very, like, quaint thing. And then, like, y'all tried to do some shit. Like, you just had optics. Mm-hmm. Like, that shit was, like, bro, I read on some music shit. I don't even be tapped in. I just started, like, I just listened to the Luminary Joint the Chappelle.

And, like, I just started listening to a podcast, like, on my own. But even y'all shit, niggas was like, yo, what the fuck? Tapped in with this shit. So, like, shit be happening for a reason? Yeah, no, for sure. No, absolutely. I mean, hindsight's 2020. I definitely didn't want him to go to camp, though.

Like, you know, shit happens for a reason, but I didn't want him to go to camp. I really want him to be outside. You want him to be outside? Yeah. I really want him to be outside rapping. Yeah. He shouldn't went to camp. That built the buzz, though.

It did. It was really waiting for my boy. Bro. Well, yeah. It would have been dober if we all could do separate things together. I think that's the best way to start branching out and doing that with shit. But, you know, sometimes you have to rip the fucking band-aid off. And it's painful, but it's the easiest way to do shit.

You got to just bleed out. I'm always authentic in my relationships, right? And my conversations with you guys and my conversations with them, It's like, bro, I would tell you if you did some fucked up shit. Right. If I feel like you're wrong, you're wrong. You know what I'm saying? Now, at the end of the day, that's on your spirit to hold or your spirit to bear it.

So it's just like, that's the thing about picking size is like, okay, picking size is like, Crips and Bloods. And it's just like, bro, they got some shit. They got to go, you know what I'm saying? But my thing is just like, the niggas wrong. Niggas wrong. Yeah, no, absolutely. I'm with that.

Wrong is wrong. Yeah. No matter where it's from. If it's wrong, you know what I mean? But we weren't wrong. So you picked this. But you don't have a shit. Oh.

He got to be on Eminem side. Oh, you said, oh. In this situation? Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's absolutely wrong. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Nah, he's crazy.

Yeah. It's wild. It's all good. But, you know. But you had something you wanted to say, though. Yeah, that's what I was trying to get it. You said, we're going to wait. Yeah, he's like, I'm way too weird.

Oh, man. You should have just said it. Yeah, he said it. Yeah, you say shit. Oh, I did already say. There's a nigga in the club. Oh, that. That shit really bothered me.

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm petty. I remember I told you when I was like, are you such an asshole? You was like, what? It was like, you've never heard that before. Bro, people, niggas keep telling me that, but I'm really not. But I don't think justice is one for the same reason I don't think I'm one.

But the older I've gotten, I realize. That's an asshole. My delivery is asshole. Like, I don't think I'm one. The first time I met you when you came in my studio session and my producer is there, he was like, this beat fucking sucked. I was like, oh. It did.

That's crazy, though. But that's asshole shit. You can't deliver it like that. See, that's what's wrong with the world. I'm from New York, so we're very blunt, but that's asshole shit. No, but that's not asshole. That's what's wrong with the world. Like, you know how many times I've been told that I suck and how much it made me better

and basketball? If my, whatever sports you play, whatever sports you play. You play ball? I did play ball. You don't want to see on court. And he's the box. Yeah. I can see him.

sports with Clay. Yeah. If you shot a crazy shot in the fourth quarter with two minutes left to go and your coach gave it to you nicely, you think you'll win? No, but it's still- People got different personality. You got a managed personality different. Then that means you're not ready to win.

But just as different. That means you're low hole, you need to go home. But that's different from walking in a session and you don't know somebody and the niggas something to beat and you like this shit fucking sucks. You're actually more nicer than a niggie that's going to let a nigger write their own story. Like, if your beat ass and I'm not going to tell you that you beat is ass and that joint is just playing and you really don't like level up your shit, then that's just what's going to happen. That's what's wrong with the world. But justice, you miss something.

It's different because you didn't know what was going. What if he wasn't even finished with the beat? Then he knows he got to step it up. No, but he's not finished and you're just saying this shit is as if it's like your family, I didn't even add like. And also, you know, that's crazy, bro. If I'm making a beat, bro. And the name came in like, No, there was vocals on the track.

Bro, I'm out. There was vocals on the track. The nigga was not laying the drums down. The track was finished. It was finished. The track was finished. It wasn't finished. I was saying you little like ideas and shit.

Yeah. You didn't like his idea. I definitely came from a place where niggas was on it like that, though. I fall on the side of justice. But if you're a leader, within your own camp, though, you have to figure out how people need to be a person how to get the best attitude.

This is your first time meeting? It's like, I just signed management to him. This is for first studio. Oh, you signed already. Oh, yeah. I feel like, bro, and some, like, why are people mad that I'm honest? No, I feel like there's something wrong with the world.

That's why we're all mediocre. Because everybody's just lying to each other, bro. It's like, no, my nigga, stop giving me fucking whack shit. Stop giving me whack beats. And if I put out an album and you don't like it and you don't tell me that you don't like it, fuck you.

I don't want to be your friend. Tell me this shit's terrible, so I can do better next time. But you wouldn't tell you. No, because you wouldn't take that from just anybody. Yes, I would. No, you would not. Yes, I would.

Don't do that. If somebody that knows nothing about music and the music business came up to you and gave an opinion on the way LVRN runs and operates and albums that y'all have put out, you would. You would look at them smoking and just look at them in their face like with that asshole look like. Who are you again? I really would. I really would.

No, no. I'm saying I would listen to them. No, you would. No, bro. I really love feedback, bro. I will argue you. From people that you respect their opinion. Yes.

I will, no, no. I'm talking about a random person. Random niggas. I will argue you down, but I will at least try to see what you're saying. Because my thing is about just trying to be the best. So if y'all see flaws in my character, like you said, I'm an ass, cool.

I'm working on it. I'm going to therapy. Right. I'm trying to figure it out. Right. That's the new crush. You know what I'm saying? Here's all my shitty qualities, but yo, I'm gonna go to therapy.

Yo, you're right. You know what I'm working on myself. I'm working on myself. It's like, no, I don't mean you could just continue doing this shit. But that's what's wrong with the world. Well, here's the thing. I fall on the same side of you of telling truth, sometimes a little too brash.

But you can't be that person that comes in and says, yo, this beat is fucking trash. And then not, that's the period at the end of the sentence. You got to tell me why it's trash? What you think is change? Like, it needs to be constructive in that type of way. You come in and say, oh, shit is trash.

It's like, okay. Now what? But I'm always constructive, though. I'm always constructive. You just have to add more to the sentence of what these keys is trash. The drums are horrible. I agree. But right after it was a crazy,

the awkward silence. So I'm like, oh, matter of fact, my A&R was like, yo, he made this beat. Tim said that, he was like, it's trash.

He's still by it. No, but it's real. It's real. And he got better since then. He did. And look, you're taking the credit for that? Yes.

That's asshole shit. No. You can't take the credit for a nigga getting better? No, you can't. But like, you can't because niggas be lying around niggas, bro.

Yeah, but you can't say, yo, he got better because I told me that she was trash. I just want y'all to tell me I don't like something. Oh, no. For sure. For sure. Yeah. But I just, it's just a way to do it, especially with creatives, man. You gotta know

that creatives are sensitive, man. You gotta break the ego. No, I agree. The only way the ego can grow. I agree with that. I'm with you. Some of that's not ego. Some of that's just the Erica by Doolan. I'm an artist and I'm sensitive about my shit. Yeah. That's actually insecurity. It's not ego. Right.

Adjusting to your personality is hard as artists. Like, and this is your hardest. I grew to like, this nigga love me. And you do it out of place from a genuine space. But, nigga, it's like, it's been nights where I'm like, oh, this nigga justice is crazy, bro. It's like, he's so blunt. And it's like, nigga, I'm scared to even bring him shit

because I'm so sensitive about my art. It's like, man, if this nigga don't like this shit, I'm gonna hate this nigga. And it's like. See, you hurt him, man. This is, this is Boogie letting you know you hurt him. Thank y'all for this safe space. You know what I mean?

This is what we do here, man. We create the safety environment. the next time. I'll just... Nah, see, I hate what niggas wrong. I just like, look, look. I did not have purpose. I did not have purpose.

I did not have purpose. I was like, if I don't like something, I'm just not going to text you back. I'm just like, go ahead, man, do your whack shit. Get that off, get that off. Do your wachshund. You want to get that off. He does your place for the place.

He'd do shit like, you don't want to change your life. No, and then the male ego kick in. What you also got on the same? Express yourself. You express yourself. You're not. You're not supposed to say. You're sorry for hurting your feelings.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, thanks. Chill out, my boy. You're doing my... Anytime you'll express yourself to your male friend, and then they'll be like, oh, my bad, I mean to hurt your feelings. It's like, all right, now... Now you do it too much, you, nigga.

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