New Rory & MAL - Season 1 | Episode 13 | "The Lost Tapes (Side B)" ft. Alchemist & HipHop

Episode Date: September 17, 2021

Before the guys introduce the lost footage from their interview with Roc-a-Fella legend HipHop and renowned producer Alchemist(33:00), they discuss Rory’s EDM-induced self-discovery (3:10), Malcolm X’s new documentary (8:00), best rap voices (12:58) and give some artists their well deserved flowers. They also answer on air some of the texts they've received from the listeners, and give some advice (26:30)! The lost footage features some never-before-seen discussion with HipHop, Alchemist, Earl Sweatshirt & WestSide Boogie, where they discuss EVERYTHING the music nerds love, from surprise rollouts (36:00), to how playlists have killed the album (42:00), as well as funny stories involving some of our favorite artists, + more! Like, comment, subscribe! Text Rory & Mal at 917-810-2295 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I didn't want to be around it. I didn't want to be near it. I didn't want to do anything involved with it. A lot of the women look great, though, on Instagram. I've seen a lot of women that were out, partying. at a lot of different events and stuff. They look great. Kaylani looked amazing.

Kaylani always looked amazing. Yeah, no, she was posting some pictures. I was like, Jesus. I just think it's funny with Fashion Week. Like, we've ruined every dope thing that gets attention. The world. Okay. Art Basil was about art.

That changed pretty fucking quick. It's by escorts now. Fashion Week was a cool thing for people that generally cared about fashion, cared about the brands, come from that industry, love that type of shit. I saw people just setting up like the fold-out chairs that they go to church with and just made a fake runway and now they do fashion week events. Yeah.

It's like offensive. It's because everything is so visual now. You don't have to be at fashion week to see what's going on and to see the new looks that are coming out and everything. So I think that everything is more about presentation now. It's more visual stuff. It's more, you know. Everybody doesn't have to have their hand in everything.

You know, I agree. If I don't know shit about art, art basil events ain't going to be my thing. I'm not going to just take advantage of that there's a lot of people. over there they're going to spend money and I'm going to exploit it and ruin it. Fashion Week is the same thing to me. Though the fashion world is very snobby and it definitely has its problems like every other part of the world, but it's just, though, don't throw on dirty A1s and then make a place for people to walk back and forth, and now you're part of fashion week. Yeah, I mean, I feel you. We're taking what's so dope about culture for the people that really

love it and understand it, and we ruin it every time. I feel you. That's why I said I was trying to, you know, stay as far away from as I could. And not only was it Fashion Week, It's also the VMAs as well. So New York was really busy this weekend. So, you know, it was a lot of things going on. But everything seemed to, you know, go off well. I've seen a lot of people around in Harlem. I seen a bunch of people.

I was like, what are y'all doing uptown? Y'all would never be up town. But, you know, a lot of people was hanging out and just seeing different parts of the city. So, I mean, I guess it was cool, especially coming out of the quarantine last year. You know, the city's starting to get its energy back. I think that it was a good weekend for New York overall. But I avoided as much of it as I could. And I realized what I just said is pretty much what white people have done in the entire world for its existence.

Now, my white guilt is kicking in and I need to, I need to just speak up. Can we stop ruining great cultural things? Right, right. It was disgusting. I would watch from a distance. I even went to the furthest thing I could find from EDM. I ingested a substance. I won't say what the substance was.

And I went to, what I was told was house music. It was not house music. It was EDM and they tried to throw some house drums in there. and it was probably better than any fashion event I would have tried to force. Okay. Because that's not my world and me trying to pop up in certain things. Like, hey, Prada.

I don't know that shit. Yeah. So I was like, well, let me just go somewhere. Let me experience something else that's not going to be the moment of what the weekend is. And I took some drugs and I went to a sea of other people that were taking drugs. And I heard the same beat. for seven hours.

Oh yeah. And it felt like seven minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was outside for 10 hours. I found out more about myself. Yeah, yeah. I think I understand this idiom. They call it house.

Maybe it's just because I have a different appreciation for house that I don't consider that a lot of that electronic stuff now, house music. But it blends. All genres blend now. Yeah. I found out, I think I understand why they just let the same beat ride for hours upon hours. You need that type of time on those types of substance to like really learn about yourself. And if you get a quick distraction during your thought, it throws it all. It'll go away.

You'll move on to something else. Right. So at least I can focus on the same percussion and the same sweat that I might have been half naked at Brooklyn Mirage. Yeah. Like I used to do Paluzas there. I saw staff and they was like, oh, your pupil's eye. Yeah, your pupil. Like yo, everything I do you like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, yeah. You're shocked to see you here. Yeah. Yeah. You're Yo, one of the security guards who I was really cool with through Palooza, I was walking out to try to get my Uber. And he stopped me. Like, I said, oh shit, how you been, everything?

And he looked, I looked, I was coming down from what I was on. I looked in his eyes when he was looking in mine. And he was like, damn, I think we lost Rory. Like, I think he was generally concerned. He's like, what are you doing here? Like, are you okay? We just worked together. He talked to me like he was my father.

Yeah. He was concerned. Like, you probably, because you know what it is? You don't know how you look when you, like, on suffocuses. And then the person that has seen you before, and they're probably like, yo, he looked like himself. He looked a little spaced out. Meanwhile, it was great, working out my reason for being here. Yeah, yeah.

No, I get it. Over EDMPs. Yeah. But, I mean, you know, certain times you hang out at these events, man. And it's like almost if you're not on these substances, you feel like the oddball and everything is weird to you. Oh, no, I went there because I was on the substance. Okay. I would have never just went there.

That was part of the substance. Let's just go and do this. Can we say what the substance is? It was a mixture of some things. Oh, okay. Oh, so you were really like on your white boy. He was a white boy this week. More, I have been trying to find my purpose in life. No, because you're a brother. I don't know if you know that.

You're a soul brother. Like, so we, you know, we've adopted you. You're not about to bounty hunter me. What's his name? No. I don't get a pass. No, no, no, no, you're not dog to bounty hunter. No, I'm just saying. I don't get a pass. No, you like, we've adopted you. We treated you like Justin Timberlake. You know, we've adopted you. See what he did. No, I'm just saying, like, you know, Justin has, he went back to the woods.

He had sold. I went back to the EDM. I went right to Greenpoint Brooklyn. No, I'm just saying like we've adopted you in our culture. I'm telling you all out like he did. No, we've adopted you in our culture. So, you know, it's just like, yo, we want to make sure that you are all right.

You know what I mean? Like, you know, you're good out here in these streets, man. I'm just trying to find new ways. We did the cord cutting thing. I'm trying to find new ways in a safe way. Okay. Not mad at that. I've had, you know, we've talked about alcohol issues,

a bunch of things. I'm trying to do it in a healthy way, find new ways. Got you. I'm not doing any substances that were bad. Okay, okay. Just a self-reflecting type of substances. Got you. And I thought maybe an annoying drum pattern would help me.

Would help you get to where you needed to go. And that drum pattern, I realize, becomes less annoying when you're on a certain substance. There you go. Okay, so see, this is why we need you in our culture. It's actually your heartbeat. Yeah. Yes. We need you in our culture for these type of things to let us know, you know, what happens when you take these substances and listen to the same baseline and drumming.

And it's interesting, a few words that are in there. Everyone knows the words. And I had no idea what they were. It was a really weird experience. Yeah. Very weird experience. Well, I'm glad you had that. My experience wasn't as daring as yours was this weekend.

I just chilled. I watched a bunch of shows and docs that I needed to catch up on. I finished clickbait on Netflix. Really good show. I won't spoil it for anybody. I don't know who saw it. But it was a really good show. One of those who done it.

You know we love a who done it. They keep repackaging the whodunits and we sit there for 12 hours in front of the TV like trying to figure it out. I leave the TV world and go out in the real world to try to find out who did it. Who did it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it's all about.

It's the TV show. Yeah, it's like everybody. You question everybody now. That parking garage looks familiar. Yeah, you know what I'm going to investigate. You see a white van? You start looking at that shit like, it's somebody in the back of that.

Like, I should get this license plate, take a picture of it. But, um, so ClickBade was really good. I watched that. I watched the new Malcolm X. Muhammad Ali document. It's called Blood Brothers. I saw the trailer for it.

On Netflix. I don't know, man. I watched a bunch of docs around Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X and their friendship. And they're, you know, they're not friendship after all of these years. And this documentary, I don't know, it drew a different emotion out of me, man. This one, I kind of felt I was really hurt by it because this was the first documentary. They spoke to Muhammad Ali's brother. And they were talking to him.

about, you know, the whole time with Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali, their friendship, and then when they stopped speaking to each other, that whole thing. And it really bothered me, man, because it, this for the, for the first time, I really felt like, like, damn, like Malcolm X was really made to be the villain in this situation. And, you know, it, it, it, it doesn't come across. I, I never felt like Malcolm X was the villain. I felt like he felt like somebody that he looked up to did something wrong. wrong. And he spoke out about it because at the end of the day, right is right, wrong is wrong. You know what I mean? Like you could be my best friend. You could be my mentor. You could be my father.

You could be my brother, whoever. But if you're wrong, you're wrong. And Malcolm X spoke out about something that he felt was wrong coming from his mentor and his leader. And because of that, you know, everybody kind of cut ties with him, stop speaking to him. And you could hear how, you know, know, Muhammad Ali's brother was speaking. He was like, you know, Muhammad Ali was hurt that he had to stop speaking to Malcolm X and that, you know, he really loved him. And it's somebody that he really looked at it as a brother. And, you know, that really, like, it bothered me because I'm like, well, damn, like he just felt like he was speaking out against something that was wrong. And, you know, it's like, do you lose your friends because you feel like, yo, listen, this is wrong. You know what I mean?

but you didn't think that it would cost you a friendship. And, you know, like Malcolm X was saying in the dock, he was like he felt like he had lost everything because he spoke out against something that he felt was wrong. Yeah. And it's like, you know, you sit back and you think about, you start looking at friendships that or relationships that you may have in your life where things took a turn

and it's like relationships where you don't speak to people anymore. And he's like, yo, they did something wrong. But it's like, do you not speak out against what's wrong for the sake of not losing that friendship? Or do you stand on what you believe in? no matter what and just hey listen we're not friends anymore we don't speak it is what it is so you know that documentary was really good uh i i i told a few my homeboys to watch it because i think it puts things in a different perspective uh you know we've seen the documentaries about these two gentlemen

before but this one was a different uh perspective and they spoke to some people that we didn't hear from i think this this is the first time i ever heard mohammed alie's brother speaking a documentary so that was that was different but um really good documentary really really good documentary so i watched that. But I mean, this has nothing to do with NOI or Muhammad Ali or anything. Again, I don't, I don't know that situation nor will speak on it. I mean, we've seen a lot of situations. I'm maybe going to compare anything to do with us or make it anything in that regard. But yeah, it happens a lot of times when you're in large groups that are bigger than you and things that are bigger than you. One individual will speak out about something.

and how structures in certain groups are formed and how they operate for it to continue on, people got to make choices. Yeah, yeah. And sometimes those choices depend on, do I want to stay friends with this person or do I want to continue on with what this greater goal is over here? And that's where it's,

your lines just get blurred with everything. And sometimes you never even know the decisions you really make in those crucial moments until 20 years later, that's something, because you got to see where the outcome is. But you got to stand in what you feel is right at the moment. Can't ever get wrong or pardon ever get mad at someone doing that. Yeah. And then Malcolm X's daughter, they showed a clip of her speaking at Muhammad Ali's memorial.

And she was saying how, you know, when she was a little girl and her dad and Muhammad Ali were close, she remembers the bond that she had formed with Muhammad. And then not, you know, speaking, her father and Muhammad Ali not speaking all those years. So they kind of lost touch. And then she was, you know, at the funeral, she was speaking about how when she got back in touch with him, you know what I mean? Like that love was still, she could still, even though he was still, he was a shell of what he was as far as his personality and his motor skills and stuff. She said that, you know, when she saw him again, automatically was right back to that, like, you know, like, you know what I mean? So it was.

Muhammad Ali, the amount of spirit, energy, in person he was. Yeah. Even if he definitely went through some things mentally because of boxing, he's still, he's Muhammad Ali. Yeah, that disease can't fight against Muhammad Ali. He's always still going to be himself in that capacity. Yeah, so that was a good, it was a real good documentary. Listen to some more music.

It's a lot of good music out right now. I meant to text you that the other day, like, do you realize how much good, like, it's a lot of good music out. I've been sitting on the AZ. You're about saying AZ? AZ has a really good album out. Which I want to say. I have AZ top seven best rap voices ever.

He's on there for me. Grand Pouba is on there for me. For sure. Q-Tip is on there for me. Scarface is on there for me. Scarface. Big, of course. Yeah.

Pock. Yeah, Pock. Jay. Like, these are, like, the distinct voices where you cannot confuse these gentlemen ever. But I think, like, it's interesting. And we can get in some rap nerds shit real quick, and we weren't even planning on talking about this. J's, I think, is so iconic because of the legacy of everything that he's done.

Like, somebody like Kiss, I feel like Kiss could have put out one album and forever he'd have one of our favorite rap voices. Yeah, yeah. I feel like AZ too. I mean, AZ has had a great career. His discography is crazy. Even if AZ just put out Doa Die or Die or Just Did the Life's a Bitchverse. He just has one of those voices that it doesn't matter.

I think a lot of other rappers have that voice that's just so familiar to us and so iconic. Like, T.I. has that iconic voice to us. Well, he's probably one of those rap voices, too, that he could have just put out one record. We've been like, that's probably one of the better voices. Just tone, not what I'm saying. I get what you mean. And A-Z through that whole album, I was like, he really has one of the greatest, he could say anything.

Right. Yeah, it was, it's a lot of good music out. I feel like, once the two big, big dogs got out the way, I guess everybody released, pushed the button and was like, all right. Hell yeah. Well, it's time to go. So, yeah, currency, got a new joint out highest in charge. I've been listening to that.

Baby Keem put out a project. Yeah, Baby Keem's project, I was really anticipating because I do fuck with Baby Keem. I know he hasn't put out much material. I guess that's maybe why I was anticipating it because of all the hype that he had around him with the connection to Kendrick and the few verses. Well, let me say, because he's put a project out. But the few music that we've heard from him has been good. and we know all the energy that's being put in behind him.

He's about to be the face of a new label that one of the great rappers of all time is starting. Right. A lot of pressure. I would never want that time. Yeah, that's a lot of pressure. I mean, he's talented. Yeah, he's talented. But that's a lot of pressure.

I thought it was cool that he experimented. It was a lot on it that wasn't particularly, I think, for me, but I can't appreciate trying something different, especially on a, like a real first album. 16 I love, scars I love. The rest of it, I got to really it didn't speak out to me right away. Yeah.

But I can appreciate him really experimenting and trying to do some different type of shit, especially when all the pressure's on and everyone's looking at you and you just got to deliver. And sometimes when you have to deliver, you go the safe route. Yeah. You go the safe route.

And he did some shit that still kind of match what was going to. on with some of those drum patterns, but it was some left to shit. Yeah. And that's why I don't want to get, I don't want to, I'm not going to judge on that, that capacity because I think he's just getting started. Yeah. And it's not fair for me to judge him in that way yet.

Mm-hmm. And I know they'll kill me for every Drake opinion I've said, but these are different, these are one as a legend in one starting his career. So they will be judged different. I don't understand how men don't understand that. Yeah, and I don't understand how. I judge artists differently of where they're at in their career. But see, that's the beauty and what we do, Rory, is that we can hear, you know, you and I are two totally different people.

We agree on a lot. We disagree on a lot. But that's okay. You know what I mean? And I think that people, you know, we can hear, you and I can sit here and listen to the same album, same artists, and have a whole different perspective, point of view and different emotions about what we're hearing. You know what I mean? And I think that's okay. And I think people need to start understanding that.

it's okay to hear something and like it or hear something and not like it. Like, that's fine. You know what I mean? But a lot of people like they just, it's like a weird time now where people feel like if you don't like what they like, then, oh, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what the fuck is going on. It's like, no, I just didn't receive that heart the way you did. And that's okay.

That's fine. It's Stan culture that we've talked about already. And I've been an admitted Hovstan. But I also said on Donda didn't need that J-verse. Like, I can be objective. in my admitted standness. I mean, I already knew after that podcast I was going to be attacked by every Drake fan ever.

And I know that they just took one fucking little ass clip from it and stepped for everything that I said, took everything out of context. And I knew that was going to happen. And I don't mind. That's what we're here to do that. The same way I scream at fucking Stephen A.M.X. About how dumb they sound certain times.

I got accepted on my end, too. I'll see one Stephen A clip and be like, that's the dumbest shit I've heard. And I'll watch the entire episode like, Oh, he makes sense. Yeah, exactly. It happens all the time. Never mind.

So I'm not mad at any of that. I was expecting it, but damn, do they get upset? It's all right. I mean, listen, you can never go to Toronto again. I can go for you. You know, I'll face time you while I'm there. You know what I mean? I don't think I was disrespectful.

I didn't listen back to it. I'm fucking with you, man. I'm just fucking with you. No, you wasn't disrespectful. It was a, it was a little hot. We came in a little hot. But the end of it, it was like, oh, okay, I understand what you're saying. You're holding him again.

accountable and to a standard of himself. Because he's one of the greatest artists of all time. And in that case, I totally understood it. You know what I mean? I understood what you were saying. But, you know, again, it's the time we live in, bro. That's just what's going to happen. If you don't agree with the masses and popular opinion, you're an asshole, you're stupid,

and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. There's Prince albums I don't like. There's Prince albums I don't like. There's Prince albums I don't like. There's Michael Jackson records that I don't like. Right, see, you're pushing it. Yeah, I'm just, it is. It's the truth.

It's certain Michael records. I'm like, okay, Mike could have kept this one in the files. but, you know, that's Mike. And here's the thing. I can only understand the artist being upset about it because it is their art. And I can appreciate that you were that vulnerable to put your art out and it's got to sting

because that's your baby. I don't care how long you've been doing it. That's still your art. And it must really suck to hear people critique it. But that's unfortunately the yin and yang of art. It's supposed to be talked about. And it's not supposed to be talked about well all the time. That's not what that sentence is.

So if they get mad, of course I understand that. They're fans, though. Listen, man. Come on. You got to know that was coming, though. We knew that was going to happen. But a lot of people agreed with you. A lot of people agreed.

Yeah, but when we came in, we spoke about it. I told you, I was surprised at how many people didn't like the project. Like, I was just like, damn, like, okay, well, you know. There's very few art ever, not just music, art ever that's universally loved. Yeah. That happens, like, a couple times in a generation. Mm-hmm. the rest of the shit that keeps art going is the fact that all of us either like it or don't

and can talk about why we like it or don't like. As long as you're not disrespectful, what's the problem? Yeah, I agree. I agree with it. That's the point of what we're doing here. Podcasting, it's not the highest form of art, but it is an art. Y'all sit here and tear it apart, non-fucking stop. As you fucking should.

I saw everyone tear me apart. Yep, good. Tear my opinion apart. That's what this conversation was about. I'm not looking for y'all to agree with me. Right. And if you do, cool. But this is this entire thing that we're doing here.

Everything we went through with us versus Joe shit, tear it apart. This is what this whole thing is. It sucks that it was a real thing. But yeah, our art is to the public. The public is allowed to talk about it. It's a public forum. We're doing this for the public. It's not just you and I talking and not recording it.

It's being recorded for people. So is music. When you paint something up there, I don't like how that looks. I don't know. Listen, man. No, listen, listen. Like I said, man. I've been really angry lately.

I promise listeners, it's going to change. No, no, no, no, no. You're fine. Listen, like I said, you can't go to Toronto. I've been talking to a therapist. I'm going to be okay. I can't. You know what I mean?

And I'm going to bring you back a nice keychain from Toronto. I bring you back a Raptor's jersey. I really like Toronto. Yeah, like you got to, you know, it is what it is. And I really like Drake. Listen, man, we love Drake, man. Listen, we love Drake, man. We don't, we don't have to say that.

He knows that. But into more new music. Eric Bellinger. Yes. Put out a new project, New Light. really feeling that. Eric Bellinger, it's hard for him

to make a project that I don't like. I realize that and listening to this album. Eric Bellinger, it's funny you brought up currency because I've always found Eric Bellinger

to be like the R&B currency. Like they put out so much stuff and it's never bad. Yeah. They know the right type of sound

they want for themselves. They'll experiment where it needs to happen. They're the same to me as far as their careers go. And shout out to smoke dizzing, man. I've been listening to a lot of smoke dizzle lately. I don't think enough people are talking about smoke dizzar.

I mean, I think that he's been super consistent. He's consistently gotten better. You know, I just felt like I had to say that. I had to give Dizzes from flowers. This has been putting out quality music. This has been torn. This has been making bread. I think a lot of times, back to the fan thing,

we always want to give the artists we love their flowers and their credit. And it's like, no, y'all need to, this guy's been making amazing music. No one's paying attention. You feel as a fan, you've got to like pump that shit up. For a lot of artists, sometimes it's better just to have that fan base that knows. And if they know, they know. Because you're going to stay rich. Yeah.

You're going to continue to put out the product you want to put out and chill. It's when you have to cater to all these other different fan bases that you end up compromising shit you want to do. and going into spaces of fickle fans that will only be there for a moment. Sometimes it's cool just for everyone not to know. The people that know, know, and I'm going to be fine in my house making money because of it. And this is one of those people because this has been making amazing music and gets his accolades from the people I know that he deems matters. Right.

And everything is cool. Yeah, he just, you know, it's just when you see guys that are just doing their thing and staying in their lane and really dominating and getting better. Like, you got to respect that. Anytime I see somebody working and doing something and you notice that they're getting better and they're staying consistent and, you know, they're staying true to their art and who they are.

And if you know Smoke, you know, I mean, you know, he's been the same cool dude since forever. Like, I don't know anybody that has anything bad to say about smoke. There's someone to give him. Huh? You're weird if you do. Yeah, yeah. It's just like, so I was like, let me, I got to give,

I had to give him his love, man. Like he's, I've been listening to his, a lot of his shit, man. and he's, I'm just like, damn, like, I don't, I don't feel like people are talking about smoke enough. Like, he's been, he's been killing shit. Well, a lot of times. Ransom as well. Ransom has been putting out a bunch of heat, flea Lord. It's just a lot of, it's a lot of dudes, like, in their own lane, in their own pocket, doing their own thing that I think is really, really dope, man.

It's like a really good time for hip-hop and rap. A lot of guys are taking control of their own shit, their own brand, stepping out, trying different things. Like, I like that. I like that energy that's going on right now. I just like people like Ransom, Dizzah, Fleet. And I just watched Asheroth, Blue, and Mickey on Drink Champs. Like, all those people that were first through the door with the internet era, it looked dim for a while just because of how the industry works. I'm so happy they're now seeing the fruits of their labor and being the first people to set this blueprint. Because they were the first one through the door. And that's always the one that's

probably not going to benefit the most. And then the next generation did. So to see them still here, still making great music, and finally being able to really get what they deserve financially and credit-wise is great. That drink champ shit of watching Asher, Blue and Mickey was like full circle. I remember in 2008 when these were the blog guys. And then everyone went to the blogs and they got flooded out and pushed out once the machine found out, wait, people are on the internet.

Right. And they're still kicking. They're still doing great. They're still making music. They're still relevant because they were the ones that actually knew what they were doing. Right. They weren't, all right, we need to make a rapper pop. Let's put them on the blogs.

No, they was on the blogs. Everyone else benefited afterwards. So it warms my heart a bit to see people like them, ransom and everyone getting this shit still in 2021. Absolutely. From 2008. And shout out to Rock Marcy because he was one of the first ones that really like, kept that sound alive like that real grimy rap

hardcore shit uh street shit like rock marciano he was he was the one that really did it and i think what grisela came and did they really magnified it and and blew it out the out the frame um but yeah shout out to all of the dudes that's doing their thing man i like the energy around rap right now i think it's a lot of dope artists that's doing their thing that's been doing their thing for years and they're finally getting that recognition so shout out to them um sorry to kid put out another project

I told him I said god every time I turn around I feel like you put out another project another dope project from him alone but not lonely it's a lot of good music out a lot of good music out man I think music is in a good space I seen you put that tweet out that I was up late night off the number giving relationship advice

yeah man I let the people know that because a lot of people thought that you know that number was fake that that's not us uh... message is and responding uh that is us we are reading these messages We are responding when we can. Rory will be giving you relationship advice.

At all hours. At all hours. Recipes. He has salt and pepper ready for you. If you don't know how to... Not too much pepper. Yeah, not too much. Also, just very, very...

Art to that. You like bland chicken. I'm your guy. Yeah. Just take it. You're up there for that. A lot of people said they wanted to... Demaris, you have some of the notes, right?

Yes. screenshots you guys sent me. Okay. So a girl named Jenae says, Yo, Rory Amal. my man to stop following bitches on Instagram when he goes out to the club with the guys. He won't listen to me, but he

listens to everything y'all say, please. Nah, follow them bitches. Wait. So is he going out and then he follows them when he's out there? Yeah, he wants to see them in person if they look, you know what I mean? He's doing it right. I mean? Like, hey, follow, what's his name? Or what's her name, Janay?

Yes. Janette, you tripping. Let him follow them. Let him follow them chicks, man. Like, shit. Hey, and hold on. You don't know what guys not at the club is. It could be a really wholesome. You'll keep me away. I only want to look at all the phone. One of them might work at sacks or something.

He might be trying to get the discount for you. Like, you never know why he's following. And Mr. Jeney just make like a finsta. Or I think that's what they're called. A friendster. Whatever you. Pinstra. Your other page.

Yeah. What? Mall sent me this one. All right. I went through my girl's phone like I know I shouldn't have. And seen she've been talking to a nigger who sent the dick pick to her. And it was way bigger than mine. I really can't confront her about it because it was some suck of shit.

but now when we fuck, I feel like she'd be faking. For real, for her. I saw that one. He'd DM that to me too. Yeah. First of all, I was really thrown off by that. First of all, if you went through your girl's phone and saw dick pics in it, that's not your girl. That's not true.

I mean, she could be yours. In theory. I'm about to say Monday and Tuesday. Was it unsolicited? That's not fair. Was it unsolicited? If Nick came for the women. You imagine, imagine dude sending your girl unsolicited dick pics.

That means they comfortable with her. No, that's not true. That's not true. To her phone? How do they have her number? More. Co-workers be sending dickpicks. Yeah.

To her phone? Not to her Instagram, not to her DM. But she, they could have sent it to her Instagram. And she saved it? She saved it to her camera roll? A lot of women share dickpicks and group messages. And I mean she like it. No, that's not true.

Listen, she liked that shit. Yeah, and make fun of it all types of stuff. But why you got it in your camera row? Why you saved it? You want to keep looking at that shit. And he already said it's way bigger than his. Listen, this is a brave soul here. Are you guys?

No, I was thrown back when I read it. I was like, whoa, all right. I appreciate his honesty. Yeah, leave her. Dump her. You should dump her. I need more context. Like, you saw the dick pick and then just didn't say anything

and then continue to fuck. Yeah, he said now he feels like she's faking. You know, he ain't there trying to slam hard too, his little dick. He didn't there with that little piece of shit trying to slam hard. He ain't there trying to work that little piece of shit. You better leave that girl. You're going to kill yourself. You're going to break your fucking pelvic bone trying to, man, get out of here with that

little ass piece of shit, man. Leave that girl alone, man. Oh, my God. Hit. Get a backbone. Dump her. Leave her now. Rory, does the carpet match the drapes?

Damaris. Next. I didn't even like looking at you when you said that. They want to know if your carpet matches your drapes. Look at what they asking you. Hardwood floors. Oh, they asking my God, Rory, some sick shit, man. Waxed and vaxed.

It's been a lot of women texting that number. Yeah, it's been a lot, a lot of women. Women seem to like, women seem to like my knees, right, DeMaris? They like your knees? They like my knees, kid. You look like you hating on my knees, too. Don't do that.

Do you expose them here? I mean, when I wear shorts, you know, I give them, I act like a thought. He had the jeans with the rips. He had the craigs. Yeah, when I'm on my thuddy shit, when I'm acting like a little, a little flusy. Is that one, do you have like an attribute that you like to show when you're trying to impress a woman?

Yeah. Give something out there. My hair. Women like my hands. Okay. Yeah. Is there a specific reason? But they like my hands?

Yeah, or they just look at them and be like... Oh, yeah, no, they just aesthetically, they like my hand. Okay, yeah. We found some footage that we shot in L.A. a few months ago. Yeah, some more lost files. Yeah, when we sat down with Al and hip hop and had a real nerdy music conversation. But, you know, Al is one of the greatest minds and artists that we have and producers that we have in our culture and hip hop. Hip hop is my brother.

He's one of the, you know, young geniuses of... the game, real great mind. Best A&Rs ever. One of the greatest A&Rs ever. One of the greatest people ever just to sit and talk music with. So we had a chance to sit down and talk with them about some music. And even you're not a music nerd, it's just a cool conversation. Yeah.

It's just an interesting conversation that probably people wouldn't film. Like, hop don't talk to people. Right. They talk to people, maybe not on camera. That's what I'm saying. In real life, they talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just something that, you know, typically wouldn't happen.

So yeah, even if you're not a music nerd, take it's something that they'll enjoy and see a different perspective. And we got to get back out there too. I've been thinking about getting back out there and sitting in with Al. Because he's done so much the Boldie James project with Alchemist and Boldie. Al has a bunch of new shit. I see he's doing the campaign with Ame, Leon. Amay.

Amay. So yeah, man, we got some more footage for y'all. Some more stuff in the vault. So yeah, should we give it to them now? Let's do it. Cool. I mean, you bought some pussy, though. What was cool?

Edit. It's very valid. It's very valid. You bought it. You didn't bring it. You bought it. You bought it. When you got to use a translation app to talk to them, like, ask them if they got cashed up, is different.

Yeah. That's DR. What happened in DR? Stays in the old. Yeah. No, I just got to. We got to sign. I was going to be out and get the discusses.

Oh, yeah, 100%. And justice sent out NDAs. I was like, today he sent out the NDA. It's been mad days. I already said everything. I already snit. It's funny. Damn.

But yeah, man, we hear, man, Al, man. Listen, man, we just want to hear some of the culture, man. I've had a couple of them. You know what I'm saying? Talk about some of the inspiration on a lot of this shit, man. Because I think he's one of the most key figures in the resurgence. of what underground sounds. Right.

You know what I'm saying? I don't like to call it underground. It's all hip hop to me. But yeah, man, we out here in L.A., man, it's only where we came and fuck with you, well. Come on. You know what I mean? So.

Yeah, we don't leave here pretty much. Yeah, this is the clubhouse. It feels like the real clubhouse, not the app. It's all just regular. It's all just always. It's not like a studio you could like book. Right. You know what I'm saying?

We just never like sessions. There's no, it's like, there's no element of like industry ever. It almost feels like a lot of, That's kind of how it started. There was a lot of homies who had deals and shit, but they would come through and it was like playing hooky from the deal. Like me, him, action, and Dom, Janice, and Vince. And it was just like doing a song with it.

I remember that night, we were like, yo, we're going to do this and drop it tomorrow. And I was like, that whole concept was forming. I was surprised Vince was rapping. Yeah. How's I usually got to decide? It was just on the spot. But at that time, it was kind of early,

and my brain wasn't wrapped around the fast. Like even when I did the shit with currency, he wanted to drop that shit the next day. The first shit, Culver Coup. And I was like, yo, you know, because we're used to the whole take fucking a year, mix the album, planning it out three months when you turn into master. And there was a new era coming. And it was like, dudes was moving fast. And I kind of wasn't ready for that shit.

So I was like, I don't know. I don't know. But I remember that night, it was your idea. We're like, we're going to record this and drop it tomorrow. And then I'm like, damn, that's ill because we should sit around and have music for six, seven months. So now I'm like, we drop the shit. same that's like time travel like we're speeding shit up making it more yeah do you like that now though like you you you're going from yeah i mean niggas had to fucking carry like the

tracks to the studio like they want to record and shit yeah yeah i like it better now you do i can't front yeah because it's more like real time is tighter because i always felt like by the time an album came out it was like damn we on some next shit already yeah yeah it's time to promote it you don't want to sound like a dick and be like you know you gotta hear what we got fire though? Yeah. Because I feel like sometimes you make something in the studio and everything sounds great on the bigs and I can put it out right away without living with the shit to make sure it's

really dope and I just don't have the studio it's type shit and it's like fuck, it's already out. I probably should have listened to a few more times. The good thing about sitting with shit is like certain stuff falls to the wayside but if something been around for a year and it's still fire, he's pretty much you know like that's one of the ones. You know what I mean? You think it could be like a fault because you don't get the proper like rollout it deserves because some people

Did that shit matter? It's going to do when it's going to It's going to do. It's going to do. That's what I think. Yeah, and depending who the artist is too. Yeah, some artists need that package.

But I'm big on presentation, even if it means same night, tomorrow, drop it. It also depends on who you are. Like, if you're like someone who doesn't do that and then you're like, boom, I just drop some shit. Then there's going to be people interacting with it just off the strength of that.

It depends on your fan base is there for you instead of there for the moment you could do that type of shit because the fans that are there for the moment need the rollout, they need the packaging they need to be reminded this is coming out but that in itself is a moment though

yeah like that I mean you basically say like if you don't have fans yeah yeah exactly reality yeah like he had a casual listener to hear the shit like if your listener

is the casual fan you can't play around like that you need to let them know okay I'm here you know Like, this is, I'm coming. There's a lot of artists that sell a lot of records that still just have the casual fan. They still have in the moment.

Because they play the game. If you're going to play the game, you know what I'm saying? That's a different story. Yeah, if you're chasing the current sound, you're just going to have current in the moment fans. They're not really growing with you. They're just going to move on to the next sound and the next moment. But bringing them real time is a good thing, I think. Just because I feel like every time we drop an album, it's like, we're already on some next shit in the studio.

And you, you know, hold your lip. And you've got to be like, this new shit. It's crazy, but you really want to tell them what's really in the stash. But it's almost like if you worked at the iPhone factory, you'd have to come home with your family and not say shit. You're looking at the iPhone 15 or something.

But you're like, yeah, you know, you got to be quiet because you're ahead. You've got to let things take its time. We can never drop music at the rate we create. It just will never happen. You know, so we work. But when you have the turnaround, it always, especially on the big level,

you see that that factored in, like, is a big part of it. Like, what a time to be alive. You remember? It was like, oh, two months. Boom. You can feel them niggas was freestyle. It was like, oh, shit.

This shit was raw. Or what about how Yeezus got scrapped? What was the thing when they ended up doing that in like two weeks? You know, one of the first real, like, surprise releases. Like, you mean, not without a legit rollout. Where it was like, oh, shit, a video, bam's out already? You know, it was like, no out of the cover. You know what I mean?

Because he pushed it up kind of like what you're saying. Like he, as much as he could in the mainstream. Right. To where it was like he didn't want to do anything that was typical. Like, even through the rhymes, it was like, I don't want to rhyme. He was like, I don't want to rhyme. I don't want no dope lines. I know what he means, though.

Yeah, he was like, I don't want people to think about that. So everything was against. More music. Yeah, it was like no melodies. It was like, yeah, it was kind of like, okay, cool. So on a rollout, he was feeling the same way. I don't want the album cover. I don't want a video to just put a video and, you know,

I got this thing this guy shot of me, show that on the side of the video on buildings. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, it's hard to roll out something you don't even know what it is. Like, if you're making the same album all the time, you'll know how to roll it out because you've done it already. You're making some shit that you've never done.

I don't know how to make this connect to a consumer. I don't even know what the fuck it is. So it's the best to go left, you know what I mean? Right. You got a built in, you know what I'm saying? You got a built, oh, you just did that for that? Okay, cool. You know what I'm saying?

But if you go like you normally go, you got to deliver like you normally deliver. Right, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So like, okay, let me try this out, drop it this way, you know, see what happens. But that's back to certain artists though. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, everybody don't have that luxury to do that experimental shit and I'm like, fan, you shouldn't experiment.

No, anything experimental type, just do what you best at. No, it'd be ambitious. I would be a lot of artists. Any time my artist is doing a press run and they say, you know, it's just like my Prince Experiment album. The Black Album. Yeah. That's just not.

You can't. No. Anytime they use the Prince example, I'm like, I don't do that. It's not. Who impress is weird as a artist? It's always been weird just because, like, you know, we make music, whatever now.

We're also businessmen. Like, all, we got to sell this shit. But sometimes it feels like you're out there trying to sell your shit. Like, yo, you know, like, there's a thin line between being thirsty and promoting this shit. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Where it's like, do you worry about that? Or do you, like, I just my shit. I got to promote it. At the same time, it feels kind of awkward. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have to do it. But you got to play it.

But sometimes it's like, damn, I wish I didn't have to. Back to your iPhone example, like, imagine if the guys that are sitting there literally creating the iPhone were the ones that had to go sell it. They're introverted weird people that are into design. They're not supposed to, that's why you hire sales reps. True, true. Our A&R should be the ones doing interviews. I just figured it out. That's what it is.

Them niggas need to go do this. We're talking about the idea. Yeah, well, explain the shit, all right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, interviews, all that shit. But I feel like nowadays, I mean, a lot of big artists, I feel like, I don't know how y'all feel like, I mean, you guys are a rare thing

and there's certain guys who, like, there's, like, outlets, you gotta fuck with that's reputable, but a lot of big artists, they don't gotta do that shit anymore. Like, they don't got to do interviews. They can literally use their social media. It's crazy. You control the narrative nowadays, basically. There was no option like that before.

You know what I'm saying? Media is not control the narrative, right? But it's close to. as irrelevant as it's been. You know what I mean? When you think of like all the stuff we had to do, we had to,

we had to get on like battle with the beats just to get into a rotation for the mid-show DJ to start fucking with you just to get into a meeting on, so they can bring your record up calling people,

yo, what they said about the record? You don't mean? Then you got requests. It was so much things you're dealing with and you're doing that just to get to the video portion of MTV, I got a record.

I got this many spans. You know what I mean? You keep doing everything for the next step to get to the next step to get to the next step to hopefully I guess you get a big hit in your Right that was really just to sell some noise Yeah it was a whole song and dance that you had to do to where to me it always I always looked at old albums that I wasn't around for That had an impact on right so it's kind of like like what was the songs in the key of life stevie one the rollout right yeah it's irrelevant to me right true you know what I didn't experience it I don't know with what songs songs came what? Right. I've got the album.

I like it. You know what I'm saying? I'm just going to do it. I try to look at the record. I'm making it. I'm looking at it like somebody going to get that shit sooner later. You know what I'm saying?

So it just got to be good for what they do. You know what I'm saying? Tap into that joint. Is that how you approach making an album with that mentality? Yes, but lately I was thinking differently because we were all talking like, you know, like playlists kind of changed shit. Yeah.

Even the way you make an album. Because like I feel like Playlists now like all right We came up in the era It was like an album The project was a experience And you experiencing it The way you made it

In the order as a thing Was like a thing You know what I mean And now I feel like with playlist People pick their songs They make their own shit And it's kind of like Making the art of a whole album

Not as important I still like there's some artists you expect Right You know he's gonna put some shit together But overall it's kind of like Playlist is kind of like Playlist is like Playlist and took the average amount time in a song down.

Like a song used to be 3.30, four minutes. That's out, too. Two minutes and 15 seconds now because it'll playlists better. It'll stream better. People just keep putting it on repeat because they were aired again. Even when I structure an album, sometimes if you put an interlude, like a transition between two songs, right? You don't want to make it its own ID. So you got to connect it to the end of the last song or make it the top of the next song.

And usually it's relevant to the next song because it sets up the next song. But I'm kind of weird. I like the song to start. I don't want you to sit through that all the time with the ID. So then that other little piece is going to be connected to the end of the last song. And I've seen reviews where kids are confused and shit. Like, what is, it doesn't make sense. And like even, let's say you take that song and put it in the playlist.

It's not going to have the next song playing after. It's going to be irrelevant. Do you know what I mean? Or confusion. But, you know, it just made me think about shit a little different. Yeah, because it's all about the early. When you think about an album as a whole, it's like that first listen. You know what I'm saying?

It's kind of like, okay, I'm going through it. How is how I'm feeling? Wow. You know what is, you know what I'm saying? That's one piece of work. But the second time around, you pick your joints. You go over, you want to go at. You know what I'm saying?

You're like, yo. You still like that. Or you might just stay on the record. Sometimes a nigga might not finish your album. You might just stay on the first side. That was on the back when you had tape. I was on the first side for months. And I'm like, oh, man, the second side too.

You know what I remember that. I remember that. shit. Bitches ain't shit was on the album and it wasn't on the credits. Yeah. And I remember

a nigga playing it in school. And you don't even know it was on the joint. And I'm like, I didn't hear it but I could never find it. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm looking for a nigga. Like, nah, you just got let the album play. I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. On volume three when y'all put volume three out.

I remember the next day in school I was like, yo did you let the outro rock there's three more record. I was like, I did it strictly because of that because of the way the chronic thing were.

And it was like because it was Three joints was that? And it really was because the credits, too. Volume three was a single. Like the credits, because you had to, like you said, with the timing of it, you had to send your credits out first. Okay. Because they had to print it up.

Yeah. So, yeah, so you had to stick to it. So if you had a song that you wanted to add, it wasn't going to be in the credits. Because it was already set in. Yeah, it was already filled. Yeah. So if you wanted to put it at the end, you just have to be like, hey, it's just there. It's just there.

Stuff like that. So that's kind of like, I guess that's what they did as well. You know what I mean, but it was weird like that. You had to do the thank you. You had to do the thank you. You didn't even mix the album? Yeah, you want the thank you? The thank you is a big thing.

That was a big deal with my thank you. Nick ain't thank you. You'd be walking in the office hot for too much. These things are gonna put my name in the thank you. Word up. That'd be, you definitely was sick. On the credits? On the credits?

The first album I did, my shit looked like a book. This shit took me two weeks. I said little, little parentheses, with little special remarks each of you. special remarks each person. Like, shout out. Like, little inside jokes. You know, like, the early albums

was like that, like the gangstar albums and shit. Like, they really had, like, full paragraphs. I mean, Jay, writing out his whole thank you that is writing, like, with the, like, you said, with the parentheses, and everything. I'm over title because of that. They got the credits on this show.

I don't know why everybody doesn't do that. Like, I want to look at who did what. I want to see that shit when I'm listening to the album, but, you know. I mean, back to the casual consumer. Because I'm streaming, they care about the people. They don't get about that. They don't get about that.

Yeah. She didn't do a one of the shit credit. Which is why even back to you were saying with the whole album experience. These days it's almost arrogant for an artist to think I'm going to make a full album. To think that people in this day and age just give a fuck. That's my point. The tension span is shorter. Like, when's the last time you heard a third verse?

Keep it real. With one rapper, no feature. What's the last time you heard a third verse? I would listen to old junk. Niggas was having pop a popper fourth son. I was listening to never. They was like, you know, about to do another first. It was like, I was like, yo.

And it'd be like on a single. You're like, when's the last time? Like, we'd be good. We'd be lucky if you busts a second verse. I'll be, that's what I'm saying. You don't even get to the second verse. I didn't even have been trying to just. Don't worry about me.

Is that out now? Is that out? That's over? We've been like six years since I came. But imagine that, though. I don't think people get it. Like, you know, what you have to do is make friend of foes. Word.

You know what's art? You know what I'm saying? I don't know. But, no, I think y'all just conform it to the time. Run it back. You run it back a hundred times. Like you were saying, the short songs. My favorite album when I was in, like, eighth or ninth grade was mad villainy, bro.

The niggins was a rapper for a minute 53 of just, but very dense. Very dense, though. Yeah, little snippets. But a lot. Second on Beastie Boys album's albums like that, too. a lot of short joints. I think that's, like, even all the new guy. The Detroit, a lot of Detroit shit,

one verse and out. Lucky if you get a hook, yeah. Shit, we were talking in the kitchen how Detroit was so known for being in the pocket more than any city ever and now wrapping off beat is the shit. They just move the pocket. They just move the pocket.

It just is just the four, one of the three. Yeah. Move the pocket. Yeah. And Lucid talks a part of the three. And Lucy, and Lucy talks about it. lot on the Armandhammer album that y'all just did about not being able to be offbeat just because you don't understand what's going on true as a white person that makes me feel really good

I didn't know I was on beat the whole time he's not he's saying he can't he's just saying he can't what he says you haven't mastered you haven't mastered meter so you have to respect it yeah you got just because that shit threw you off like mm-hmm yes like I'm really dead to keep on I think it's It's like an arrogant style of rap. It's like, fuck the beat. Yeah. I know where it's at. I know where the snare's at.

I'm gonna lay my shit. It's still a timing. Yeah, that's what I said. It's still a timing. It's just like... Even Doom was rapping on beat. Sure. On times, but it's still a rhythm to it.

Yeah. Like, you can bop to it. If you can't bop your head, it's out. And it's all about... You can tell what type of rapping is more about what you say in than how you're saying it. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? It's like the cadence is like almost the rhythm. The cadence is, that's what I'm saying. At a certain point, Dune started talking to you with numbers, just in what he said like that. Yeah, exactly, yep. Like, there's a style where you, like, you lock into, like, a part of the beat.

There's a hi-hat doing something. A hi-hap, I'm gonna follow that. Yeah. Okay, cool. We've heard that so much that it's almost mundane. Right. For someone to go off the path and make a rhythm that's still there, but not exactly with the beat.

It's kind of dope. Yeah. I get it. Like, I see why, you know, people like that shit. But I can see why it don't connect. as well. Yeah, because people are so programmed to rhythm. It's not, it's good.

You gotta have anything in your wheelhouse, and it's going to show if you don't have the other. So if you, like, super offbeat, but that's just what you do because you, like, it's going to work. It's going to work. That's cool. But then if you really don't got the skill to back that up when it's time to, like, do something else, then that's going to show. And then the same way, if you're just super, like, Mr. Locked in here, but then have no ability

to, like, freest up. when it's time or like get looser. You're going to read all the time. You can hear rapists flirting with the offbeat thing a lot, like even on a mock new album. Sometimes here and there he flirt with almost going off a beat a little bit out of the pocket. He was one of the ones that really forged that style.

It was like he was doing it like a jazz. We were listening to his shit like this was different. He's another one of the ones though. If you haven't mastered readers, so you got to respect it. Right. When you're under different shit. When you see, he really bust niggas hit because. This niggas Sadoo sent me, there's basically just like a form and meter, literally of like poetry that bro locks into sometimes that is like some just head bust shit.

Like you really actually get and showing. And it's not something that should normally. That's normally shown. To be honest, but it's a long. It does that shit too. Thug does that shit too. So it's not just underground. It's like you can't even say it's really goes across the match.

It's innovation. Yeah. This style, innovation. And it's also what they see in the beat. You know what I'm saying? Like this route down the mountain, this is how I see the way it is. Look what I'm doing.

Right. That's interesting. I respect it. I'm sure the vagina's out there so wet off this conversation. This is a nerdy conversation. Speaking of Elite Rabbit, can you tell the M store you told me in D.R. When he was the type man? Oh, yes.

I wonder if I'm getting trouble with this, but I don't care. So I was on tour with him. him in Australia, right? You got a DJ in his hype. Yeah, he was there. He was definitely on tour with it, so he was there. He don't know that I got in trouble. So it was like, uh, he got a song and he was bringing me out to perform.

Because obviously when I was performing, it was like 20,000 people, which is like a lot for me still, but it was still like a quarter of the show who was supposed to be there. So he was looking out and was like, we're going to do the song again on my set. So we did it. We get to his verse. He's like, can everybody know me? I got lists.

I don't even be rapping fast like that because that should be catching me up. So the nigger going crazy. And I'm trying to like, hi. man and catch the words but I'm missing it like every time. I'm like fuck the next day they like he sent Tracy to talk to me like Marshall needs to speak to you man I'm in trouble pull me in the back like man I need more help like you got to be a better hype man basically like you need to catch my words so I'll spend the whole 24 hours trying to learn every single bar just to make sure I can catch that next to stage that wasn't an easy one either my ass yeah yeah that's cool right now I'm gonna

catching the words but I'm not moving and I'm like, fuck, now I'm just like, focusing on the ride. I'm all you, nigga, I'm not gonna fuck it. They're talking it was like, before you say it is.

Yeah, and this ain't, all your balls, this ain't the my name is Eminem. Yeah, this is fucking quadruple pocket Eminem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You stressed out. Yeah, yeah. That's some funny shit.

You never thought about that, right? Like the Eminem hype man, like what they probably got to do with you. No, I don't realize. I got a different respect for the nine. That knee, it don't miss. And I'm like, damn, this shit crazy. Yeah, that's a whole other day.

Like, the other than a white man. Yeah. Crazy. And he's surgical, especially on stage and all detail. Jesus. I'd be terrified. Another conversation we was having to Dior, I do want to ask you, with shows and being a producer,

if I'm a producer, I might fight in my contract to get a small percentage of your shows. Yeah, he did talk about that. Like, I think it's, especially in the mixtape era. Yeah, like in the mixtape area, you remember No one would pay No one would pay for any beats, then they'd go tour and make their bread off the mixtape shit.

Producer would get nothing. I mean, Grant's a little different now, but... Isn't there some performance fee you get? That was the um thing. You do. You get a small amount of money when you're a song, but they have to register it and all that. You make a small amount. That was Lord Finesse. Argument. Argument.

Argument. With Mac Miller. Okay, yeah. This was that you was able to use the song to generate all this money. Because you are monitored, even if it's not directly from the audio file. At least if I get paid the regular way, at least I'm, that's, okay, I accepted that. You know what I mean? But you went out there and you didn't really have records yet, and that might have been the first one to say somebody did your mixtape or some shit like that

and you just go out there. Because yeah, you get royalties off everything else is a producer and a writer, but if you're out there. You get performing my shape, I need a royalty off that too. Like whoever did like trap or die, you know what I'm saying? Gizi was on tour for travel with John Dian. In the mixtape era, like when 50 was touring and doing everybody else's songs before his album dropped. All right, I feel you.

I think now, I don't know if it's as relevant. I mean, even original music that was on mixtapes, like they wasn't paying any of those producers. That wasn't a renegade era. Yeah. Just in general. I'm just saying, if you're going on tour and I'm watching you do fucking 30 cities with my record that I didn't charge you for. Right. You gotta bust some of that down.

Like, some of that bread needs to come over here. Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah. producers union they need their money. Producers, you need a rapper, yeah. So Al, Alfredo, man. I mean, I don't want to dig too much into the history. Like, anybody that's listening and watching this, they know who you are.

How was that being recognized by the Grammys for a project like that? Because that wasn't the... I was happy at the nomination. I was like, I know they're not going to give them the award. but just the nomination, because I felt like now everything that people like Rock Marcy

has been doing for a lot of years and Gizelda and you obviously forever, I felt like it was being recognized on the level with everybody else. That's what I think it was. I think they were starting to get shit right in that department over there. To me, when I saw all the people that got nominated, like I didn't even know. I guess that was like, because we didn't, I guess you have to submit it.

So Empire kind of like put it in the mix. I was actually surprised because I wouldn't have expected that. Just like some of the homies probably. But I think it did make a statement. Yeah. Like even it like to the fact that we even got like recognized for it to me was exactly what you're saying. Right. All right.

We need to start paying attention to some of this shit that's going on over here. Right. Because there's good music going on. And I do think it was weird because it was other artists like, I think it was like a little baby or the baby certain stuff that should have been in that category too but it felt like they split it. I think what happened is last year

Cardi one right? The year before. Yeah, I think that's when they changed the rules and they tried to get like way more okay only hip hop votes on hip hop you know what I'm saying? Before it used to be a lot broader to where like other people could vote on

that main category to where now it's like they singled it down to mainly people from the hip-hop world voting on hip-hop album. Yeah, because that's where it was fucked up. And I think that was a... I know that name. You know what I mean? That was a reflection of that. Like, you know what I mean? That year, this year was a reflection of that.

Changing everything. Of everybody being like, okay, these are the records that, you know, that crowd. But they don't really got... It's early for them to, you know, that was early for that. So now they got to start figuring it out like, okay, cool. We can't go all the way here. We got to balance it out. We got to, you know what I mean?

Figure it out. We can't just go, oh, now we're going straight. artistic and leaving along, you know what I mean, the popularity. It's like it got to be a balance of the two because there's fans that obviously love that shit too, you know what I mean? So I think that's where it's going to be interested to see where it goes where it goes next year. Right. Boogie, did your generation give a fuck about the Gramies at all?

No. Not really. I think it's like, but I would be happy to be nominated, of course, but like, no, I don't think nobody really give a fuck no more for real for real. What's the award for y'all? I think we didn't get it though. I think that's what it is too. None of us got into this to get a Grammy. Let's just say that.

Right. If it happened, it would be amazing. That was never like one of our aspirations. I could think of a million other things, approval from some of my peers in the killer. That's more important. Yeah, but to me, you know, it's amazing. But I felt like that was never our goal. You know what I mean?

So I think it's cool that they're getting it right. In terms of, I think, I said no, like, really quick but I think when I seen the Alfredo shit getting nominated and I seen a lot of the other shit that was on there too. It was like Royce. He had like to be amongst those names. Not even amongst but it's just like

this is what y'all doing? Oh okay. I heard that. All right the year before was Tyler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. And that also kind of shook things up as well. So they keep adjusting

because of the complaint. You know what I'm saying? But still, but still. I can't like Tyler getting it. It was crazy and I know that was crazy for him. But knowing that nigga for so long, I know that that's been, that like came from his head.

You know what I'm saying? Like, dude was like, I'm going to get a Grammy. And winning. He was always vocal. Like, nah, I want the TV. I'm saying with the shit. I'm saying shit coming from this desk. Like that I, where I know this dude really sit in here.

right here like this and make music like this. Like he said, he don't want music for a Grammy. Right. Like. But even I'll say with him being in that category, that was my favorite album of that year, Tyler's album. I didn't think it was a hip-hop album. I don't think it should have been in the rap category.

It wasn't a rap album. Yeah. Like, it was my favorite, but I wouldn't put it in album of the year. I wouldn't put it in a rap album of the year. Right, right. So that's where I feel like, all right, just trying to save face is still, fucking up the integrity of the show

because now you're just putting things in genres they don't belong in. But he's been suffering from like lack of detail and like being perceived. You know what I mean? Like that's a old thing or just like

the urban section. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like that's just how that goes. So like that's why I think on the one hand it is kind of weird the Grammy thing

because it is like the best it can feel like the best black award or like the best black music what's the ideal accolade for both y'all like what would be the number one

this is what I have to get well not have to get but I would like to get the most see that's what I was saying I think in theory what the Grammy this poster stands for is like the best music or how I used to look at it as a kid

before I got into the politics I would still want that part of it but me knowing that it's been so biased for so long it just makes me be like I don't give a fuck about that shit but I feel like it's leaning towards getting the shit together and that should have been amazing to me I wouldn't deny it but also a hit you feel me I don't want it to do like the niggia the he hard or underground or however I want it I want that hit that's that's that's

that's the accolades for me honestly yeah I feel you like it's less an award and more just like I don't know I don't think I have like a holy grill like that I think like I want to see how long I could go and how like pure I could keep my feeling about doing music. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know that's a super challenge once you get in the older years. Like I've never been like the hitmaker guy. You know like some guys made their career figuring out how to change the time and scoring.

Like I don't want to name names, but like we know the ones like and I respect them. I always felt that was dope, but I just felt like that's not, it was never in my bag. So it was like to be able, I always say like, you know, in a club, like you could walk around the club and chase girls, right, or you could stand in one spot, right? And it's just like, they'll probably come around. You have a better shot if you stand in one spot. So I'm like, we try to do the same shit with the music. Like I like to get inspired. Like I remember when, like, when the South shit was happening, like Krunks was kicking.

and Lil Jon was killing it and 3-6 was hot. And New York started letting it influence in. Like, to me, dipset, what they were doing, heatmakers, they really allowed that influence of some of the South Bounce, took the soul records, and meshed it and made a sound that was allowing some of the stuff that was happening to, like, influence you. So I feel as good to still let new shit in, but still kind of have it. But you still also have to think, like, hip-hop changes.

Real-life time, 10 years, hip-hop is, like, 10 months. months. That's how quick shit changes. That's crazy. So if you're a producer, you might be faster than that, man. Word. You've got to think from a producer standpoint, there's always going to be a younger kid that's doing the moment sound better. He'll just do it better than you.

Just talking about that. Because they're creating that in that moment. So if you don't have your own sound and some shit that people can rely on you, it's not really a long game in that shit. Go ahead. Or then, you know, otherwise it's more like work for hire and you have to keep

changing and adapting. For me, like, I'm not a musician. Like I could, by ear, like, I base my shit on, my ear is my, is my strength. Like, by far more than my hands. Like, just is, he was an engineer first. Just as like a scientist. Like, he, you know what I'm saying? I, even, my name throws people off, I think. Like, the chemists, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just get inspired and make weird shit happen and I listen. I just be trusting my ears. Like, I'm not as good technically, I guess. But I don't like to say you're not a musician I don't know how to play music

I don't know how to read music Yeah but that's still I mean So everything is changed It's a definition of musician True And not to like to Like you know I ain't shit

I'm just saying like And maybe one day I'll learn but I feel like My strength always been this It's we all have probably the same strength Yeah That's why when you make beats They're dope

Like if y'all made your fucking beats It would put you enough time to it It would happen But it's like This has always been my skill So it's like, I just put faith in that. Yeah. Like, that's people that have to play.

And don't have it. That's what I'm saying. You can play every instrument in the world. If you're not out together, like musicians, because they just be so in it when they're playing. Like you've ever been in the studio with like a keyboard player

and you're playing? And they're just like, where are they? Like, you're looking off their neck to the sky. They're doing this shit, you know? And you're like, damn, but they don't know when to stop. they respect you because you're like that part right there

I feel like to be that good That's producing though To be that good at playing you have to immerse yourself in it And I never I felt like I was kind of afraid to do that Because I'm like damn if I go that route Like I'm obsessive Yeah I might forget about the other shit Now I'm doing what they're doing

Because anytime I give musicians when I like chop up a sample And have them replay it They'll be like tripping out when they figure out how to the chords I remember one dude was laughing Like yeah ha this is crazy this chords I would never play like this and I'm like

see if I start learning how to play I may not chop shit up like that it was wrong to chop was musically wrong but he learned how to play it and was like laughing to himself and he was like yeah my bad

I didn't know this stuff I don't yeah I think there's a good medium but it ain't it's still I respect the art of what we do I respect it you know most of the footing together

My project was bringing in musicians and anybody else to any direction? No. Play to this drum. Shit for the next hour. I'm going to sit and find every little part. You're producing. You're producing.

That's really how it went. I'm giving you no direction. Go play against his drum loop. Listen, that's producing. You know, there's sometimes people have things they can say about Callet. I respect Caller because there's a skill to what he does. Absolutely.

He's easy to do? No. To get, you know, he has a cast that's great, but you still have to make a great song, and each time keep doing it, like, there's a skill to what he does that I can't do. You know what I'm saying? And we all have our prospective skills.

We definitely respect that because I felt like that's producing. Right. And some people get a twisted. It's like beat making is its own world. Yeah. Record collecting is its own world. Like, you could just stop there and be a record guy. I'll find samples.

Or you could be a guy that find samples and makes beats. You can find samples and makes beats. You can find samples and makes beats. Yeah. Like, you don't even have to be. do all of them. Right. You know what I'm saying?

And people downplay access when it comes to producing. Like, yeah. That's a big, big thing that people don't really talk about. One of the main things. Like, because once you reach a level of, of like celebrity,

of like people wanting to work with you, it's all there for you. Like, you could just be like, you know, I want to work with you. You know what I'm saying? Like switches to go on there. Be like, yo, you're out of made that. You know, like, he's going there.

Leave a little cheap? My album ain't done. No, yeah, I'll make done. You gotta hear this. You gotta do that. You gotta do that. You know what I'm gonna do that? You know, and it's like,

you know, average person's like, how do you even get in there? Some people got beats outside just trying to like, hopefully somebody open the door and maybe they listen to one of these beats and I swear, you know what I'm saying? But if you, certain people, I always say, like relationship producers. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

To where it's like, okay, if, you know, 10 people could get in the room with, with Jay, nine, nine of them probably to make a record. you know what I'm saying they'll figure it out if they had the access and the time I mean you know what I'm saying to go back and forth and be like oh like this like that okay cool you go you know what I'm saying or to go through 25 beats they'll find one you know I mean so it's just about who's going to get that who's going to whether it's going to be somebody they work with whether it's because they're cool with somebody and that's what used to always be Binks argument was that he he said you got to be a certain tax

bracket to work with Jay. He just, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, you got to. It's funny. You got to, you got to, the life's style. You got to be in it. You got to move around a certain way. You know what I'm saying?

Because you remember when you came to the studio, right? When you came to the studio to do the soap with Jake, how did that happen? What, recently? No, a long time. When you came to the baseline? He didn't show up, remember? Yeah, but why did you go? Oh, because I seen them in the club?

Exactly. Yeah, I seen them. They were all out. Remember every single one of them? Everybody, dame, I don't think you were there. You were at the studio. I was at the studio. Right.

They were all out at some club. Yeah, like life or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, every single one of them. And then I think I seen your brother. He told me, come up on the couch. And they were all standing, say, said, what up to, and not saying, Jay, I said, what up to me? He's like, me going to stop wasting the beats. You know, it threw me so left.

Yo, I was like, I said, yo, I ain't even with this club shit. We could go to the studio right now. Right now, yeah. I'm ready right now. Beans, you want to go to studio after? All right, we're going to go to the baseline after this. I'm like, bet.

Like, I went to had this girl with me. I'm like, yo, I'm sorry, you got to come with me. Like, went to my crib, got the fucking ASR 10. It was in a big ass. Remember the ASR team? It was like one in the morning. They came out, got in the limo. They're like, yeah, we're going to meet you at baseline.

Jay didn't show up. But Beans came through and Freeway came through. And we did that joint that night. freeway. It was on state property album. What was it called? Still in effect. Yeah, we ended up doing that. Yeah, but we were at a club. Yeah, it was a party. Environment. That's funny.

It was mad times we tried. We tried so many times. Damn, see, records don't even happen like that in the water. Everybody kind of knows or has access to everybody. Now, any, so that having to be in the same room, those moments are gone because... It's rare. It was those moments, too, where it was like, say for, for instance, if you came with beats when we wasn't working.

That was just, you know what I'm saying? It's like nobody was really working in between albums like they do now. Like now people are always always in the full record. Album cycle. It was like album cycles. Because you had to book time.

Like I had to spend $2,000 on a session call him, get some rent tools, do all of that. So he could lay the beat, then he could come lay it. You know what I'm saying? So it's like you have to be a guarantee this is something we're going to. use and we really like this beat.

You know what I mean? That's why we had bass line. It was like he could say that. You know, come to go to the baseline and hops over there. You know, it's a little more freedom. We can try shit. You know what I mean? And stuff like, you know, like if somebody comes with a bunch of stuff and the album just came out, I don't know what to tell you, man. We got to be another six, seven months before me. He's got what you call it. You know what you call?

It's bad timing. So, you know what I mean? A lot of times is bad timing. You know what I can do something else with it. Yeah. Yeah. But y'all had a lot of artists at that time. Yeah, yeah. Remember one time I came to see you play beats? You were at J-Sline and I came? I'm playing beats for you and shit. And it was like somebody on the couch with a jeans suit, like a jean jacket and a jean.

I thought it was one of your R&B artists. Then you had like Christian on at the time. Yeah, yeah. I thought it was, I didn't know who it was because I'm playing beats for hop. And every other beat dude's going, I got one. I'm like thinking, who's this dude, man? I'm playing beats for J's, for Jets, for Hap for Jets. Like what's going?

You know, and I should bring the Dats. And he'd be like, like, I like, six or like eight or like nine. Engineer would record him. so that after I did that, I go to leave and bro follows me out the room and shit. Remember basically I had that little door and then the other door? And he goes, yo, how do you get your drums like that? I'm like drums? He goes, yo, I'm Kanye West, man.

Kanye West. I was like, oh, you're straight because he already had a couple joints out. And you had already told me about him. I didn't know him was him. He was, how did you get your drums like that? And I'm like, you're straight. Your shit is fine. I gave him damn.

I'm like, he's like, all right, I back. Cool, cool, cool. I appreciate that about I didn't even know it was him the whole time I thought it was an R&B artist Remember? Remember?

Yeah Because he was picking beats out Yeah Yeah Yeah, the Jason Yeah Yeah, yeah It was early

Because you told me early on He told me we got this kid I thought his name was Conyack He was like Conyag West I'm like who what And you had a bunch of beats From him early on

Remember when he just came to New York? Yep That was an early stage Who said this shit about just this name Oh That was no idea Yeah. He ain't like your sneer?

He said he got to change. He'd be using the same screen. Yeah. I was dumb excited. I was like, yeah, I'm the best producer ever. Yeah. My thing is, though, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

So I'm like, yo, listen to this joke. Every beat is crazy. He was like, yeah, but he got the same sneer. Shut me down, man. Yeah. That's funny. No idea was the man earlier. That was your man.

Yeah. You got a couple people that you were tight with. But yeah. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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