New Rory & MAL - Season 1 | Episode 2 | "Wake Up"

Episode Date: June 25, 2021

Rory & MAL sit down and discuss men & women's lack of hydration in extra curricular activities, Usher's comments to T-Pain, the H.E.R. album, MAL picking up checks, introducing women to certain circles, and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you, it, you know, it keeps everything smelling up to par, it keeps, you know. I equate that with, like, women that I've watched cook and don't wash the chicken. I'm like, all right, if you're not washing the chicken in the sink, I, do you even wash your vagina? Yeah. It's just little things that I feel like. So you correlate the two. The same way if a girl says, I don't drink water.

I will correlate. It's hard to assume that, yeah, the body is not. Every last part of her. Probably, yes. But young girls can get away with that. Because I feel like when I was in my early 20s. And we shouldn't be talking about. we can talk about it

we're wrong we don't have vaginas we don't know how it works but we can speculate for the fun of it that's an early 20s thing that you get away with that shit because I used to watch women just guzzle Hennessy and that's it not a bottle of water in sight and like

shit was fire yeah why but once you get to your late 20s and your 30s everyone on earth should drink water all the time but water is I don't understand I get a headache like I literally get migraines if I don't drink water in a day. I'm a fucking water connoisseur.

Right. So somebody tells me I don't drink water. I'm like, what do you mean? Like, explain that. Are you at X-Men? What are you? Like, you have to be a mutant. You're addicted to sugar. That's number one. You're addicted to salt and sugar is what I would guess. And two, you would just didn't have good parents. Yeah. I think, I think that's a, that's safe to assume. But that water became trendy recently. Water is. Water is. Water became trendy. Well, health is trendy. When water became trendy i knew i was terrified and i mean listen they're getting us with the acolyne shit i admit it i pay

fucking four dollars for water i used i all i drank was poland spring it's a real thing though we used to brag that new york city of the best water we could drink out the tap now it's like if if you don't get the the uh the acolyne like something's weird about you but alkaline is it's been around for a while it's just that i like the fact that again health is trendy uh people trying to be more health conscious and in shape and the alkaline water is a real thing you you feel the different in drinking alcohol. You can taste the difference. Like, I see some people drinking Desani.

That's like, I don't know how people still drink Desaigne. Well, Desaigne is fucking disgusting. That is the worst water on the planet. In some way, I think we do it mentally, the same way we do with, like, designer clothes. I put on a designer t-shirt that was made out of the exact same cotton that any shirt was. And I felt better just, I was like, nah, this is that. I know what you mean, but there's certain textures and cottons, the way a shirt lays when you got an $80 t-shirt versus a $12 t-shirt.

Certain textures, you can feel it. Rootep Fiji and Poland Spring aren't far from each other. No, no, that's not. Fiji and Poland Spring definitely aren't far apart. But if you have real alkaline water, you can definitely taste a different. But I'm a hypocrite because if I ask somebody, period, like, yo, can you grab me a water when you go in the store? And they came back with a Poland Spring, I would kind of judge that. Like, how do you view me?

You wouldn't get me the essential? Poland Spring is like the more readily available water. It's a dollar. Yeah. Speaking of alcohol, I went to... I thought you were about to drop a sponsor real quick. No, no, no, no. I went to Bowery over the weekend, which was once, I'm not snitchinging anymore.

I saw you tweet Bowery, definitely Bowery on your timeline. I didn't know what you were talking about. I was out with a few people, and I'm lying when I said they dragged me there. I went there one. Yeah, nobody ever dragged. But you always have to say, like, I was out. My friends dragged me. They guilt trip me.

My friends don't guilt trip me. If I want to leave, my friends are fine with me, literally. Right, absolutely. How was the party, though? It was weird. You're good. Are people dancing now? Yeah, people are dancing.

It's just, it's odd. People are trying to get back in the swing of partying, I feel like. Even knowing how to talk in clubs, knowing what records are like really going off. I feel like the DJs are freestyling more. Like, we don't even know if this record will work. Oh, this was out during quarantine. Will this work? It was, I don't know.

I'll put it this way. I completely take back everything I said. about wanting outside to be open. Yeah. I take it all back. I'm ready for shit to close. Listen, I apologize Republicans. To only think of Republicans.

I apologize Democrats. Yeah. Whatever you guys were going back and forth about being open. Whoever wanted it open. I'm sorry, I lied. I did not want this shit to be open. Yeah, I think it was a little.

The traffic is fucking nuts. Everyone is outside. It's too many fucking people. No one knows what they're doing when they're outside. They just want to be outside. It's taking up space. It's gross.

Put masks back on. Everyone goes to. separate ways. That was one thing I noticed about, you know, on the way here. I said, you know, it's just, it's like everyone is back outside at the same time. Like the traffic, traffic is always insane in New York City during the day. But it's like, we didn't even ease into this like opening up thing. No. Like we just started like everybody's outside. It's traffic on every corner, every street. They didn't even, people all over the sidewalks. Nobody's wearing masks. It's like this thing is completely just lifted. It's over with. People are. back to the regular schedule. And one thing that I noticed about myself is I think I forgot how to run. Did you run before? Yeah.

Like, but I haven't. Like, just in running, you know, playing ball or just working out. I haven't seen you've lost weight. You look good, but like when were you? Okay, so this is how. I've known you for a little while. I've never seen you even do like a fast-paced walk. So this is what I'm trying to tell you.

So the other day and crossing the street, you know, walking, the light is changing. I got like the little giddy up, you know, the quick little, cool. I don't really want to run across the street, but the cars are ready to start. You just kind of lift your knee once a little higher and then you go back to the regular face. But as soon as I got to the sidewalk, I was like, ew, I don't even like the way I think I look just jogging like that just now. Shoulders moved a little different. Yeah, it was a little nasty. I'm not going to lie, like the form is a little off.

And that's because I haven't had to do that in so long. Yeah. And I've been in the car too. I was on the train over the weekend just because it was faster with all the traffic shit. I was used to hitting speed bumps and kind of feeling my titty's jiggle. Like, oh, I'm out of shape. Yeah, yeah. Running up and down them steps in the train, I was winded. Yeah, it's nasty. It's like, I got to get back.

I got to get back. I got to remember how to move. Like, I forgot how to, I've been, you know, in cars and home so much for the past year and a half. It's like, I don't even know how to fake run across the street anymore. Like, I mean, it's just nasty. Everything is just like. It starts with the hips. Yeah, but it's disgusting.

I know anybody that saw me. I apologize if you went a car at the light and you saw me. That was just nasty. Like that little jog, hurry up across the street trot I did. Well, it's a fake one because you go the same pace. You just tell the car a little wave and then do the same thing. Yeah. Have you ever noticed, though, with dope fiends, like, we'll be completely out of it.

Yes, that's my work is good. And always know when to cross the street? Like, when have you really heard of, like, a dope fiend getting hit by a car at the crosswalk? See because... I've seen regular pedestrians with real jobs get hit all the time. Doofs be leaning over with their eyes closed knowing, no, now's not the time to cross street. The eyes are just closed, worry. It's a feeling?

The brain isn't off, though. The brain is still on. The brain is still functioning. They can still hear and everything. It's just the eyes are closed. They need to do a study on heroin. The awareness that is around you... They're studying it.

Like to hit the Michael Jackson all the way on the toes and not fall, and me sober has trouble. walking on the sidewalk down to the curb. That's part of New York, though. You need a good dope fiend on every other corner. I think it keeps a certain aesthetic to the city. Yeah, someone cleaned my windshield for the first time in like a year. I was nice to see. I'm hearing L.A. is back open.

Well, things are full speed. It's B.T. weekend this weekend. Good God. Is that still a weekend? Apparently. I mean, especially if everything is back open. I'm guessing they're trying to get everything, you know, kind of some, some normality. Is that word? It's a word today.

I love Normani. You guys all put T-Pain in a depression we didn't know about. So leave me the fuck alone with-O-Mondi. Yeah, that was a little surprising. I had no idea about that. I was hurt by that. I had no idea that that was a thing that happened. I think that was my first time ever hearing about that.

Well, first of all, let's start at the beginning of that story. T Payne was saying he was on it was a commercial flight right they were they were both in first class Yes I think usher was sitting a few rolls back in the first class but yeah all right so just be a pedestrian in coach on this flight and you walk in and you see oh fuck that's usher Keep walking oh wow that's Tepin Crazy just to begin I sit in my seat halfway through the flight I see Usher go back to the plane and then I see Tepane get up and go back to the plane too What type of fucking flight am I on?

No, I think, okay, so I think what happened was I think Usher was sitting in the last or the back aisle of the first class. And I think T. Payne may have been sitting in the first few seats. And I think the stewardess told him like, hey, you know, he wants to talk to you. I thought Usher, the way I heard that was Usher got up and walked away to the back of the plane. Asked him asked the stewardess, yeah, tell Payne and link me in the bathroom. Meet me in the back of the plane. Meet me in the galley. Yeah.

Me, me, what is the, what are those cookies? The biscocks? Yeah. Those are the best cookies on the planet. Me, me buy the peanuts. Yeah. No, I didn't know, I didn't have, you know, any, I never heard about that story. I don't know if T. Payne ever, if that was his first time I'm ever talking about that.

But then I'm thinking T. Payne's point of view as well. Like, one, you're Usher, but don't send a flight attendant. No, that's what happens, though. Usher would like to see you in the back. No, I can understand that, though. I could see how that has. happens. We're not in Tao. In a private room. We are in a tube going 500 miles an hour with the skinniest hallway ever. Don't ever ask a flight attendant to come fucking ask me.

That's how it happens though. You tell it, you tell it. How it happened. Has this happened to you? No, but that's how it would happen. Like you tell the stewardess like if you don't want to get up and walk in the, you know, you're like, yo, that's my boy up there in the front. Just tell them to come back in. Let me holler. And I'm pretty sure she probably knew who Usher was at the time. You know what mean so you're like yo come sit next to me and want to talk to him real quick then i'm t pain that's a sick conversation to have on a flight though by the way the sickest yeah that's just like wow and then i'm t pain sitting there like oh dope usher wants to come talk to me on an airplane yeah let me walk back here and then i get back there and he goes yo you ruined me

bro listen that it was funny but it wasn't funny once you look at t pain's face no it's terrible really hurt. Because you can't put that on T-Pain. You ruin music. You know, fam, I am not that important. Listen. All right. Let me try to look at this from both sides.

T-Pain did usher in a sound that made it easier for people with no talent and singing ability to be successful and create music that is good. T-Pain is very talented. T-Pain can actually sing. T-Pain can actually write. T-Pain can structure. records. T. Payne is just as much as an artist as Usher is. Don't kill me for that. I just mean artistry. Of course, Usher can sing better than T. Payne. But they all possess real qualities of

artistry. Right. Pain went, not even went with his error. He changed an era. Like, that music is supposed to move forward. Whether you like it or dislike it, of course, is your opinion. But the point of great artists is to change the entire. genre in itself and push the limits of certain things. Pain was doing that in the computer age. Of course computers are going to be more involved in music. And first of all, Usher and the rest of you singer-singer, y'all was throwing so much reverb on your fucking voice too. So shut up. Yeah. Just not at the auto-tune wasn't crazy. T-Pain just turned up the auto tune y'all was already using. But it's always interesting when artists have those type of talks, which is why

that was interesting to me because you can't you can't tell an artist you ruin the art because art is is how you see it it's how you you know you can't tell you know van goe that he ruined art like but you can't tell baskiat that he ruined art that's his interpretation of his art you know what i mean that that's what t pain that was the way he saw fit to put his talent out there and to entertain people so telling somebody they ruined me you music. And I know there's an integrity to music. I understand integrity to artistry and things like that. But that was just, you know, first of all, I never thought that Usher was even that type of guy to tell another artist, yo, you've ruined music. Usher doesn't even seem like

he comes across like that. Like, he would never say that to another guy. Does that make Usher a hypocrite as well? Uh, explain. I've watched Usher, who I love, love Usher, one of the goats. He was goat casual. No, absolutely. He's one of the best to do. I have watched Usher through the second half of his career try to keep up with a lot of sounds.

And a lot of those sounds derived from T-Pain. I've watched him try to make future sounding records. Future sound derives from T-Pain. I've watched him do some EDM shit that derived a lot from how Payne used autotune. I've watched him do

Will I Am records that derived from how T-Pain used auto tune and how he structure songs. I have watched Usher attempt to do so many T-Pain-esque records in his career. So to watch an artist do that, which is fine. I think legends should keep up with the times and put their spin on it. I'm not knocking Usher for doing it. Even if a lot of those records I didn't like, and I was like, damn, I don't want to see Usher do this. Right. I don't knock them for it. I understand to stay relevant and longevity, you got to keep up with the times. but to then turn around

and the person that you're trying to Rewened it Recreate Ruin music Just say to him Yo, because of you I now Sound old

When I try to do your sound Say that then Yeah I mean But you know it Again we draw Inspiration from the times That we're in From artists before us

And then sometimes There's artists that come in That inspire you to Try new things creatively And I think that's what T-Pain was for a lot of artists. I think that once he, you know, he popped off and his music became so popular and his records became so big, you know, you know, artists, they try to like, okay, is this

what the people are leaning towards? Is this what they want to hear? So maybe I need to experiment with some of that and, you know, add a little bit of that to my catalog. So, I mean, I don't see anything wrong with it. I think that, I think the, um, the only thing was telling somebody they ruined the art and then, you know, you now trying to make record. that kind of emulate that type of art, you know, that's where it's like, yo, but you just said he ruined it. Now you're trying to kind of sort of make

the same type of sound that he, quote unquote, ruined. And also on top of that, why are you only focusing on the negative? Because like I said before, pain definitely opened a lane for a lot of talentless people to be able to be relevant within R&B and singing. but if I go into would

would usher say Kanye West has room of music? Do you think he say that? But that's what I was very get to get it to. And you could debate me, I don't care. That created a whole different way. That directly changed where music is today. Absolutely. And the entire time Kanye was making that album and after said I was trying to be like T. Paine. But Rory, see, you're a little younger to me, but even in the 80s, right? The scent sound was major. Come on the music. You know, I'm the music nerd.

Yeah, that was a, that was a, that's a, that's a, That was a real time, a real era. Like, you got groups like Cameo that were, you know, they made. Zappen Rogers was doing this shit. Yeah, like, yeah, so it's kind of like, you know, that it's always been around. I just think that at that time in R&B, it wasn't as popular, the synth sound. But what T. Payne did, it's something that was already introduced to our ears, years before. Like, we already, that was never, you know, like he didn't create, even 808s and heartbreaks.

that that was just at a time where we just didn't expect that from Kanye Oh no, I was what, maybe 19 or 20 when that came out I was mad at Kanye when that came out because I just thought he was too good of a rapper I was like, I don't know if I want to hear this And then after two listens I was like Oh, this album is fucking incredible

But that all derived from pain to a lot of degree Of course, Bon Iver and a lot of other artists Kanye pulled from for that inspiration cutty a lot too but Kanye's directly said pain was the influence for that. And then from 808, you get So Far Gone. And from So Far Gone, we obviously know where that put music, period, which I think is in a pretty good place. Absolutely.

So when you have artists like Kanye, because Kanye has not, still to this day, has not gone too far away from that 808 sound, he still puts it in every single album, as does Drake from the So Far Gone shit. I think that derives from T. Payne. Yeah. So maybe I'm thinking too much into this

And maybe I'm thinking that way Just because I'm a pain stand And I think that's also fucking rude On a little ass plane You don't know how big the plane All planes besides fucking The president and Drake's is a small place You're in a tube going 500 miles an hour

Don't tell me I ruin music That's just a funny place to have that conversation But even now if you look at artists like Travis Scott He uses a lot of the scent And you know I mean it's a sound It's an effect It's just you know It's a feeling

It's a different way to deliver the music to the people. Yeah. And a lot of times it's not even talented. You still have to be talented to use a scent. A lot of it is melody too. It's not even singing. So I could see Usher, who is a pure vocalist, don't get it fucking twisted.

Usher can sing his ass off. Absolutely. But a lot of that auto tune and sense shit is really more from melody in a lot of cases. Pain could just really sing with it. That's why. Sometimes it's, you know, artists are a little pitchy. And they kind of, you know, go off key a little bit. So it kind of helps to keep things in a certain pitch.

But again, man, that to me was just very like, it threw me off. It was shocking to hear that. And but then hearing T. Payne say it actually sent him into a depression was like, yo, damn, like I had no idea that this happened. This wasn't. It's fucking Usher, dog. Like, T. Payne is a musician. You know he looked up to Usher.

Absolutely. Loved Usher. And then you finally, like, are in your success. And he said this was four years ago, right? Or it took him into a four-year depression. I hope this wasn't four years ago Me too I hope this wasn't four years

I think this was a few Oh 2013 Okay yeah Eight years ago Cool Okay see that would That bothers me even more Because pain

You say what Payne's height was 2007 Eight was his height height I'm saying Yeah Of course he was body in From 2003

Yeah To on But when Payne was on Every fucking Eight Nine around there And fucking Lil Wayne Took all the T Payne shit

too Usher, how the fuck could you say that? But that's where, again, we get to that point where he didn't. He ushered in a new sound. And by 2013, I can see Payne kind of feeling away where a lot of people took his style and he didn't get all the credit that he deserved for it. He didn't get left behind. But I just know people didn't treat pain to the legacy to who he was as an artist.

He didn't get that credit. Right. So then to be sitting there minding your. fucking business trying to fly to Cleveland or wherever the fuck he was trying to go. And then have one of the greatest of all time in 2013. Then on top of that, you're sitting there like, all right, man. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy.

But, you know, to hear an artist as big as T. Payne speak on that and, you know, speak how that affected his life, that was, that was shocking, man. I really didn't, that was a story that I don't think anybody heard up until that point. I think it looks like it's from the, this is podcast. documentary it looked like it was a trailer from that but now we just rewatch that shit and come on he was asleep and the flight attendant woke him up yeah that now that's in my business yeah that adds a different different uh and and we left out this the second part you were saying you've you kind of fucked up music you fucked it up for for real singers but

that's fucked that's fucked up man but if you look at like I was just quickly looking just to make sure the amount of great albums that came out from real singers from when pain started up until now have been good like it's not like it all disappeared Alicia Keys went crazy John Legend went crazy Joe Scott went crazy uh tray song say what you say what you will about him you guys know how I feel of we know how you trade come on if usher would say Tray songs is a real singer neo went crazy like Beyonce obviously went crazy Janet put out some like there's a lot of real singers in here that kind of went nuts like just because T-Pain was doing that

maybe on the everyday charts and the parties Keisha Cole went crazy like there's a lot of real singers that went nuts and were very successful Jasmine Sullivan went crazy still it didn't kill it maybe killed the like mainstream mainstream mainstream mainstream focus or the part like not to say real singers was even making party music like that anyways yeah i think that's what it was i think us should just you know when you say you ruined

music for real singers i think maybe he meant nobody wants to hear ballads anymore but maybe the ballads are kind of like getting phased out because everybody wants to hear this synth heavy i but see i i disagree i think i think pain and just that whole era like heightened how much we respect real singers. Because like through all that auto tune stuff, like when real shit came out, it was like, oh, fuck. Yeah.

Like, it's nuts. Real, I mean, real singers, real music, that's never going to be something that people frown upon. Like, you know, it may not be the trendy, popular sound at the moment. But once you hear it again, you're going to appreciate and love it. Like, damn, like this is, you miss this type of shit.

Real singers is the same way. When we were talking about the co-op, where I was like, oh, trends will always come and go. Different sounds will always come and go. Top tier rapping will always be the best. Right. It will always be relevant. It will always sell. It may not be as popular. But it's always relevant. Again, the top three for the most part and rap, rap for real. And when it comes to R&B, I think the real singers are the same way. They'll always be relevant. They'll always sell the most. It'll always be a thing when they're around. Everyone will stop when they go do something. something like yeah to say that i don't know i've been really drunk on planes and said some dumb shit so has usher responded to that i don't know i don't know and who knows how they edited it's like it it could be nuts but just don't wake me up out my so this is a doc that's coming it looks like that

this is pop i think it is okay um yeah i got to watch that i'm definitely interested to hear the rest of that story and how him and usher are today if he if he gets into that i would love to hear how the relationship is today but that was just that was shocking That was something that I don't think, again, I don't think any of us ever heard. But, oh, this is what he tweeted. I still love and respect Usher. Telling that story was in no way meant to disrespect that man. People talk shit about me 24-7.

But when it comes from someone you truly respect, it hits very different. I never said, fuck Ursch. It was a drop in the ocean of shit I was already going through. Okay. Yeah. And listen, he may have said it, he may have said it in a joking way or said it with a tone that I think just hearing Usher told you you ruined music

But even way If you say that from us You kind of mean that shit I don't care what Tony you use He definitely meant it But you know And you never really know What people are going through

And the way The way they take Some of the things you say May not even be how you meant it But because they're going through something You know They may take it Harshly

So I guess with your friends in particular You should choose your words wisely But That's just That's wild Usher telling you You ruined that's like that's like Kobe telling you you know god bless that's like Kobe telling you are you

ruined basketball man if if I was pain and I walked to the back of the plane and usher said yo you kind of fucked up music I'd be like dog even jZ tried this it didn't work yeah yeah you can't get rid of me I'm here there's very few things hope tried that didn't work and killing autotune was one of them so sorry us put a dent in that shit though not really he didn't kill it it had a little break where people was like jacky yeah and we fuck that Otitune shit. It was definitely a moment where people was definitely not fucking were autotune. No, there wasn't. It didn't last very long.

But there was a moment. There was a moment. I really don't think there was. It was, bro. But like the one night that Flex played that shit, no, no, no. Behind you, DOA, I fucking love that record. And it actually has great replay value. I'm just saying it didn't do much. It didn't know.

It didn't kill Autotune. No. When Hope said no more jerseys, the next day there was no more jerseys. I heard Autotune the very next day. Well, yes, because it was shit still in rotation, but it still wasn't like And then it kept going rotation Yeah, but people kind of frowned at it. People kind of was like, yo, come on with this auto tune shit, man.

It was a thing. It was a thing for a moment. It didn't last very long, but people was definitely like, you come on with all this auto tune shit. It happens, bro. It happens. Then Hove tried to say, no more Tim's we off that. Then I seen the Hove next week with Tim's on.

Listen, man, it was cold. What did you want? What you're supposed to do? I was never off Tim's. I was always with it. Never off Tims. Still not off Timbs. Even though we got a killer's narrative about just every New Yorker just wearing

Timbs all the top. That's just that corny New York Twitter shit. Yeah, like we don't wear Thames like that. Like every now and then when it's cold or snowing, like, you might throw a pair of Timbs on to run around. But like we don't have our Timbs just lined up like in the closet. Like it's not that. It's all that corny New York Twitter joke. But that has to stop.

Like that shit about New Yorkers and their Tim's, that. That has to stop. Yeah, along with half of those corny New York Twitter jokes. But music came out. What you've been listening to? Hers debut. Or fifth album. Her latest?

Her debut album. What did they say in the description? Her latest entry. Yeah. No, this is her rookie project. Right. Even though she's put out amazing projects, but it's been a ton of them. I liked it.

I mean, it's a lot of records we had heard, how they've been rolling her out the past year or so has been interesting. And in no way am I saying it was good or bad or really have an opinion on it. It's just been interesting. Like her went from, we would only hear about her through her mixtapes. That was the only time. There'd be no Lucy's. You would just get the project and that would be it.

Right. Then there was a stance where we were just getting mad Lucy's that they like weren't promoting. Like if you knew, you knew if it made the playlist, it made the playlist, it was like, oh, fuck, her dropped another record? Wait, this her record has been out for three weeks. I had no idea. So I wasn't sure if that was a strategy.

And then I feel like this album, which is great, by the way, back of my mind. Great album. I just didn't like know about it. And I'm a huge her fan. Like I knew about it, but it was kind of like right when it came out, which if it's hard for me to find a her album. I know your casual listener is not fine. finding this like right right because i mean of course damage was fucking huge like that record is everywhere

the song of the year incredible and there you know she had put out other lucies but i felt like the lucies outside of damage i wasn't sure if they were supposed to be singles or they were back to the strategy of here's just records in the meantime so a lot of those were on here but i just felt like it was a her project that was hard to find yeah they didn't do the the best job at promoting promoting it and let us know it was it was dropping but I mean you know we're just talking about the music and you know the project it's it's amazing I love it I think the production was great the obviously vocally she's phenomenal on every track the features were dope the record with her and little baby is is hard um I like it man I love her though like it's gonna you

it's gonna it's gonna be hard for me to ever not like anything that she puts out like I I just think she's one of those artists that can really do no wrong. I mean, she may experiment with records here and there and try to, you know, create a different sound for her, for her audience. But, you know, as far as a project, I don't think she's capable of putting out a bad project at this point. No, no. And that's kind of why I'm more talking about the rollout and strategy. Just because her music is always going to be incredible.

Right. Who's going to say otherwise until she puts out a bad project? She has not done that yet. She's fucking amazing. She's an amazing performer, all that shit. At what point is the mystique thing over? Like, when do we stop doing the mystique thing? That was her curve from Gabby Wilson to her reramp, which was great.

They body that. Oh, you know, that was one of the greatest rebrand. But now she does a lot of performances. There's no more of the eerie lighting anymore. She's out there. But they're still trying to like dabble. It's like they're playing hopscotch with she's out. now she's mystique we're just going to put out records and if you know you know like at what point

are we just straight up like she's she is an artist that i don't want to say accessible but you can see all the time we know who she is as a person yeah i don't think the i don't think the shades and all of the glasses and all of that was to to hide that i think that that's just part of her aesthetic like she wears dope you know dresses and stuff like that with jordan ones like that's just her oh no no i mean more of of getting Because no, they show her face and everything. She's performances. She's lit all the way.

Just getting to know her, like, as a person. Because, like, her records are very personal. They're relatable. Yeah. She's now an adult. She's been through shit. She's no longer Gabby Wilson, the girl. Right.

Like, that hasn't talked to a dude or been through a life experience yet. She's a woman now. I just think they can pull back from the mystique. Because I know she's penning a lot of that. I know it's not like she's been giving records. Right. She's got a really interesting perspective, and I just think the fan base could relate even more to her if they stop doing the hopscotch of, yo, this is the mystique person. This is not the mystique person.

I like it. I like the whole mystique thing. I think it adds to her. I think it adds to the aesthetic. I think it adds to the content of her music because you don't, it's like any woman can be going through these type of. emotions and these feelings. So it's like why, you know, put a distinct face to it. I see, I see what they're doing with it.

And listen, I'm speaking from a very entitled place. She may just not want to talk to nobody, which I understand. Which I love. She has a career I would want where it's like, I'll pop out and perform with that I can just go be by my fucking self and don't expect anything. And there's ever too many artists are way too accessible. I love the, I love the artist that's still like, listen, I'm putting out the music and then, you know, I'm back into my zone, to my circle of friends and family that

I love and I'm with all the time. I gave the world my art. Let them do with it what they will. I like that. I don't, I like the, the mystique and, you know,

the, the hiding from the public eye. I like that. I think it's, I think it's a different pace of what is, I guess it is what works for you in that sense. But, yeah,

and then when you get in music, like listen to the music at the end of the day. Like, she's, she's killing shit, man. Like, it's hard not to love her.

Maybe I'm speaking more awareness, not visibility. Right. In that sense. As far as... Of course, her, there's awareness around her, but just that intangible buzz of fan bases that just know you, like, they know summer. Right.

Summer's going to show you exactly who she is. Kalani is going to tell you who the fuck she is. And people gravitate to that because it's so authentic and it is so them. Because they can relate. And I feel like her's music is so authentic and it is so her. If it doesn't feel force, it doesn't feel like someone else is writing this for her. I would just be interested, just as a fan, she doesn't owe us this at all. I'm not saying she should do this.

I'd just be, I'd be interested to just get to know her more because the music is so personal. Right. That's really it. And I don't know if that's connected to there not being so much awareness around the album to a, you know, A, B-level artist that she is. that's that's really it I was just lost maybe I'm just disconnected maybe everyone knew about this

and I didn't fucking know I didn't know about it either but I was happy to to know it was dropping that night like I was definitely happy for that I'm a huge hurt fan so I was happy for that but I do understand what you're saying

I think they need to spend more time like you know rolling out in a traditional way rolling out the music rolling out the project letting us know that the project is dropping but you know once we got the project

and I listen to it I wasn't disappointed. Oh no, not a little. I'm still playing it. Shout out to cardiac too. Yeah, shout out the cardiac. What did you think about Bloody Waters of her doing? I don't want to say a Marvin impression, but a Marvin cadence.

And the percussion was very Marvin. I like it. Again, she's an artist, man. She's one of those artists that she pays attention to the craft. She's a student of the game. She plays instruments. So, you know, she's from that cloth, man. She's going to do records like that that, you know, it's not the traditional way that artists, you know, present their albums.

They don't do these. They don't record these type of records. They don't make this type of music. This is why you got to respect her. And honestly, you got to put her in her own category. I can't even put her in the same category with a lot of these other artists because she's just so different and so unique, man, vocally. And, you know, she's an artist. She plays instruments and, you know, she's the look, everything.

She's just everything is part of the art. And that's why she's one of my favorite artists to watch. And I'm always looking for her. I'm always looking to hear what she got coming. Sometimes, you know, again, it's a little left, but I understand the artistry behind it. But then again, she gives you the album and songs like, you know, damage and back of my mind and find a way and, you know, mean it. All these, all these records you start hearing, you're like, all right, she's in her bag. She's, this is who she is.

She's not going to miss. She's going to give you something different, but it's not going to be off target. No, I agree. I agree. The trauma record with a Corday and hip boy. I did like the small bits of accountability that she was taking as a woman on certain parts. Like, I don't want the drama from the trauma, bad energy. It's the problem.

Right. Listen, we all have our trauma, and it's terrible that we have it. and it's not our fault that we react the way we do with certain situations. But it is our responsibility to try our best not to project that on other people and make every bit of energy in the room insufferable. Like, I felt that she was kind of taking accountability. Like, listen, I blame everything on my ex. I bent through a bunch of shit.

Right. But I don't want the drama. I don't, she didn't say from my trauma, but I was hoping she meant that. And she'd admit it's bad fucking energy. Like, right. I know it's not cliche, but it is sort of cliche about saying we need to deal with our trauma. We do because we don't realize the energy, it sucks that we had to go through it. But we also project so much terrible fucking energy on other people when we do it.

And then we're like, well, why would you leave me? I'm going through trauma. It's like, fam, you're giving me trauma. Right, exactly. Get the fuck away from me. Yeah. that was dope though again it could be

interpreted a bunch of ways that's actually why I thought that hook was so dope because anytime you know I've dealt women and and even like with male friendships too of their trauma being projected

on other people and how much that fucks up your relationship with that person and then they kind of come back like well come on man I was going through this like how the fuck could you not look out which I've been guilty of too I think we all have at some point

but it's also like are you realizing what you're projecting on other people and how annoying you can be and how much trauma you're putting in the air. Now you're giving me trauma for some shit. I had nothing to do with it. Yeah, but we all deal with that type of shit. Her is a great writer. No, she's phenomenal, man.

I've seen some people trying to, you know, they were knocking it. They didn't like the album. They didn't like the project. And I'm just like. Was that really the consensus from people? I saw a lot of that. I saw a lot of that online. And I didn't understand.

You know, again, you listen, man, I just don't know what people are looking for these days, what they want to hear from artists, you know, what they're expecting. I don't know, man. I'm just enjoying what I enjoy. And, you know, I don't let other people's perceptions and their feelings and their thoughts on things persuade mine. I like to listen to the album myself because I saw a lot of people saying they didn't like it and the album was out for an hour. And I was like, wait. But wait, it just came out. Like, how do you know you don't?

So I went. went and I sat with it and I played it. And the best thing for me to do is you play new music or I play new music when I'm doing other shit in the house. I'm saying cleaning or, you know, packing or, you know, going through shit, rearranging the closet or getting rid of shit. That's the best way when you're not really paying attention to it and you kind of just hear it in the backdrop and you're like, oh shit, that melody is hard.

Like, okay, caught that bar that she said. To me, that's the best way to take in music. Have you played this around women yet? Not yet. No. I feel like this might be a dangerous album to play around women on a kickback. Well, they're going to throw it on. Because it's kind of an emotional roller coaster where there's records that are perfect for the kickback.

Right. Even some of the hurt records, we'll sing along with. Like, damage, you could play at a kickback and everyone's going to love that record. First of all, who's playing an entire project at a kickback? You better have a playlist. Somebody better be DJing. All right, let me not. I don't know.

You're correct. You're correct. You're correct. I shouldn't use the term kickback. You chilling with a woman one-on-one doing something, you know, talking where you just throw something on. Like, oh shit, the her album came out.

Like, I've done that with people where it's just like, oh, this just came out. Let's listen to it front to back while we do other shit too. Yeah. This one, it's an emotional roller coaster where you may be getting some headway with a chick and a certain record will come on. Triggas a feeling. And now she's in a mood.

Yeah, yeah, you got to be careful with that. Her is one of those artists that you got to know which record you're playing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. As much as I love damage, I don't know if I want to throw that on. Damage has surpassed When damage first came out, no Damage is, I don't want to say like a pop record

now, but it's surpassed that Hurtness, like now it's just, like listen Good Day's Sizzav record Yeah. If you really listen to that. It's a beautiful fucking record. Absolutely. Mad depressing.

Absolutely. It's surpassed now where now it's just like chicks in bathing suits like, good days on my, like. Just looking cute. You know, are you okay? You kind of hit that. Listen, you got to charge.

I don't want usher to say I have room music. Yo, those ones. Throw some cheap paint on my shit. I really want to ask, but you can't DM chicks and ask them if they're okay because that's creepy. But at any time these chicks do post their like swimsuit reveals, which also is, swimsuit reveals are hilarious to me because it's like this much of thread. Like what are we really revealing besides your ass? They have thrown that scissor record behind all of it.

And I just want to ask them if they're okay. Like you seem to be going through something. You're in DR right now listening to this song. No, they move past the lyrics and it's just the melody and everything at that point. But it's like, like you said, you really listen to the lyrics. It's depressing. It's like, oh, she's hurt. She's been through.

Well, Scissor we know has been through. Absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah, I love to her album, man. What was some other records on that list that the hurt has surpassed? It's just now a record chick. Cranes in the sky is one of those two. Yes.

Yeah. Cranes in the sky is, again, beautiful record. That's a rough record. I'm trying to think of like male R&B records that are like. Like screaming for help? Yeah, like men saying, I have trauma. I'm hurt. I feel like every Dirk verse that y'all keep singing along to.

Is him crying out for? Yes. It could be. I mean, yeah. And I'm not even making jokes. Like, Dirk has been through a lot lately. Yeah, I really hope Dirk is okay. And prayers to him and the family.

Absolutely. He lost his brother recently. It's just, it's tragic, man. Matter of fact, a lot, women are much better in music at just straight up saying that they're hurt and conveying that. Like men find little ways in their records that you'll catch like, oh, that dude is hurt. Right, that's what I'm saying? We don't, what's the male R&B artists that we know is going to give us the emotions and the feelings like raw right there? It's not going to be like some coded, you know, cool way of saying I'm hurt.

It's like, no, oh, he's going through it. Well, I'll start with early weekend records. Oh, I mean, like when House of Balloons came out, it was like. I wasn't depressed and then I was depressed after that. Drake is a great male artist of like, I'm just straight up hurt. You could just see he's hurt. Weekend it was like, dog, this gentleman has a drug problem.

Yeah. He has women problems. Yes. He has money problems. Yes. He has family problems. He's hurt. He's going through it.

And meanwhile, we are having missionary sex in his records. Jamming to these fucking songs. Like, you see when you take a problem. This is the best fuck out ever. I'm like, yeah, what type of chicks are you fucking that get off to this? It's some sick shit. Like we'd be in there having the greatest night of our lives to the most depressing lyrics on the planet.

And it's like, did anybody check, fuck what the album did the first week. Did anybody check on this artist as a human? Like, listen to them. They're crying for help. They're going through some shit. And everyone's just saying how incredibly talented they are. Well, shit, fuck having a good first week. Pouring your soul out and saying you hurt and then no one buying it.

Oh, yeah. That's, see, now we're in a whole different level. Now, you know the next album is going to be incredible. Yeah. Now it's just more hurt and pain on top of that that was already there. Even like Frank Ocean, I feel like in early Frank records, he was like giving just little breadcrumbs and seeds of like, I'm in the closet. How do you guys not realize this?

How y'all don't see this? Yeah, like he, it was almost like straight up saying it. And then we was just dancing. Like one day you just caught the lyrics. like, wait. Then a blog post came out of saying like, hey, I might like guys. And everyone's like, what? Right.

And the whole time, this whole catalog. Meanwhile, if that was a girl, female singer, she would have just straight up said it. Right, right. But the Frank Ocean record was, I don't, because I don't remember even knowing until after I listened to the album. And then I went back to that. On nostalgia, I feel like there were certain records. That hinted.

Yeah. Like, he was getting into. to like, you know, and again, it's totally fine for two men to get married. But it was just so out of context with like the song where he was just like, and two dudes should get married. Yeah. And it was like, was that even? Yeah, like, was that an accident? He was like, he was like, there shouldn't be. He said, I don't believe a man has landed on the moon. And guys should get married. And it was like, God, this shit jamming. Yeah, yeah. It was like, yeah, turn that shit up. Like, that was a little, little left, but okay. Yeah. Fuck it.

Like, turn that shit up. And then like, thinking about you came out. I think it's like the first single of Channel Orange or just a reca Lucy that ended up on there. And there was some shit on there. And I was like, okay. All right. Whatever. This shit, this shit not. Then right before the album, he was like, listen, man, I like dudes.

Right. And everyone's like, look at this marketing plan. I'm like, fam. I think some people were like, shut up. No, you don't. It was kind of like that was most people. Yeah, that was like, shut up. No, you don't.

And then Forrest Gump came to outro when the album came out of the blog post. And he was like, hey, Forrest Gump, drop them fucking draw. And that shit was a jam No, it was I told the story about how I was in an uncompromising position When that came on I was in the shower

Lathering myself And Forrest Gump started jamming in the bathroom You ain't feel like Forrest? I just, we could just go to the next track It was just like, yo, you know what Meanwhile, it's the outro Yeah, let's just go to the next joint We ain't got to go to that record

You know, but again, he's one of those artists too, that's just a phenomenal Of course. It just, I just, I just thought there's so many. Man, is he, what is he on? Is he, is he, is he, is he, is he, is he, I'm sure he records. Last time I saw him he was DJing, you know, it's kind of like, I think he's open the club up.

Yeah, like, these, these different zones where it's just like, that's dope, but, you know, we would love some new music, but. Frank, to me is just one of the artists, so many artists pretend to be weird. I just think Frank is weird. And I mean, I mean weird in a good way. Yeah, like, like, artists that pretend to be like, I'm an artist. Like, and you're not.

Like, you're just good at making music. You're not like that type of artist. And you have dirty Nike's on it. That is, that doesn't make you. You ain't watch your Air Force ones. It doesn't make you like, oh, well. I need more than just dirty. I'm a misunderstood artist.

Yeah, I need more than, yeah. Go get a toothbrush and some soap and clean your shoes. But just go buy some new sneakers. Like, it's fine. You're rich. Yeah, it's okay. It's all right. Frank is just, Frank just be on his own time.

I respect that, though. Again, same with the her thing, man. You move on your own accord and you keep the mystique about yourself and you don't, and you don't, you know, not accessible. I like that. I think that's dope. We don't credit, Frank, enough for that highway robbery he did. For, uh, when he put blonde out.

He owed, he owed Def Jam two albums. That's when streaming was really starting to get kicking. And even streaming services weren't quite sure on how we should release things in a unique way. He was like, yo, I'm about to build some steps for two hours. Yeah. And you're going to play this album. Like, Frank, that's a new album, right? Yeah.

Like, yeah, here's the album. That's it. Three days later. Yo, here's my real album. Def Jam, deuces. Me building steps. Yeah. That was the first one.

Yeah. I'm out my contract. That was the Illisideway robbery. That was finding the loophole for sure. He definitely found the Lumphole of all time for that. No, that's incredible. But yeah, man, listen to our male artists. A lot of them are screaming for help.

Future is not in a good place, man. Pay attention to the lyrics. Listen, they're telling us. There's pain in those tweets when Future is thanking each one of his baby mothers. There's pain. in there. You just got to see through the pen. Yeah, we know, because we feel for them. We're like, damn, how many? Like, shit. I was just, uh, at Bowery, they played a record that said, just, just drank, just took a perk, drank a gallon. Damn, my stomach hurt. And I was like,

that's what supposed to. I was like, fan. That's what supposed to happen when you take a perk and drink a gallon. And the record was fire. And it's, it was the line where like everyone stopped what they was drinking to say the line to. And I was like, he should like, stop. He needs to go to a doctor. Yeah, yeah. Like a gallon of lean with a perk. But that's what art is. His stomach might need to be the artist. I hope he's pain in our joy. And then shortly after he told a woman, give me my tities back and I was back on board. You was fucking with him? I did some shit like this before. A girl that I dated, just strictly day, wasn't a girlfriend anything. I went out a couple of times. And she was at a restaurant that I had introduced her to. And she said, she was like,

yeah, I'm with this new guy I'm seeing like, you know, the place is still amazing. Thank you for put me on. It was like that cool thing. I did this fly shit. I called and picked up the check. Oh, don't. I know he felt some type of way. I know he felt some type of way. But fuck that. You're that guy. What? No, I did. That guy on Twitter is like, seen my ex with a new dude walked over, said, don't even fete, homie. And then gave her favorite. You one of those corny dudes on Twitter? No, no, but this was a girl I really, we were really cool. Like, that was really my.

Well, did you get the receipt of the check? No. How many entre, all right, if you were to guess the breakdown of the check, was there, was it two entrees, do you think? Oh, for sure. Absolutely. And you just assume maybe she got an entree to go to bring back to her mom. No, I got, no, she told me she was.

Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, she told me she was on a date with a new guy she was seeing. Okay. And how quickly did you call the restaurant? As soon as she texted me. She was texting during the date? Yeah. She was texting while she was there.

Okay. And she was just let me know she was, we're cool. Like there's no, it wasn't a weird thing. It was like, this is my homie. Like, we're cool. You don't think you ever stepped your back. What if you were on a date? And the manager came over and was like, sorry.

It's already been taking care of. Jamal called. So look, this is the thing. We've had this talk before. And I was like, if I got to get knocked out, someone got to get knocked out. The manager is the first one there. He's going to have to take the punch for you. Exactly.

So me and her had that talk before, and I was like, yo, I would flip if a dude picked up my check while I'm out with a date. So I did that to her knowing that obviously the dude was going to have something to say about it. Like, yo, wait, what? Because any guy would be like, what do you mean? Like, who took care of this bill already? And so when she texted me, she was like, yo, you are crazy. And that we just laughed about it. And that was it.

You are crazy. Means you could. Come on, man. This is me. This is, you know me. You talk. talking to me we talk bro we kick it yeah you know what it means come on man it's there i ran i ran into that same bowery night not a bowery uh old fling that we're friends and she said i can't with you

and i was like oh fuck i can still be i should get out of here i can't with you yeah my homeboy texted me the other day he made it he made a a revelation that i think was always sitting there that i always knew but he the way he put it into words it was like you're absolutely right and he said if you're out with a woman or you see a woman on her Instagram and she yells, A, when the music comes on, she's for the streets. There's something real to that. There's a percentage. And it's not a hundred percent, but it's a high percentage.

There's something very real to that. I don't know if we got enough time today to talk about that. We can table that one. But there's something real to that. Yeah. I researched like seven that I know that are known for that, standing on the couch, yelling A. And it's like, oh shit, this might be a real thing. But here's the thing.

I feel like there's a lot of girls that we've looked at as super wholesome, like the fake stereotype wifey material that went through an A phase. Okay. I think you can change that percentage. The same way men can be hos and become husbands as well. We can calm down and stop doing our bullshit. Right. Let's not put, how many why should you put on that?

That would judge the difference between it's going to take her five years to get out the A. face. Yeah, the length of it, the tone, the pitch. What song it is? What song, what she's, what she's drinking. Listen, if it's, if it's dreams and nightmares meek and she does a A, there's hope. That record. I'm not mad at her A in that record. I might even A with you on that record. Right. Right. If it's a Poo Shisty record and she's 30, let her enjoy life. Let her go. Let her go. Let her go. Yes. It might be real rough. Do not try to take her home and make her. anything other than the A girl. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Just leave it there. We should deep dive pause later. We're going to get back into that. And I'll quickly because we do have to wrap up. I was saying years and years and years ago, and I was actually meant that off our last topic. I did bring a girl that I was talking to, fake series.

We weren't in a relationship or anything, but talking. I did bring her and introduce her to a circle of people. Okay. Guided her through that circle. helped her in decision making because there was work involved with the circle and she did end up sleeping with somebody in that circle and I was not mad

because she slept with that person because we were knowing all over talking she ain't doing no foul shit Oh so you and her slept together and then you brought her around and she slept with somebody else that she brought her around. Later.

Okay. I was kind of shocked by I thought I was more secure. I felt away. Not because she fucked them. I felt away because I introduced you to this fucking circle. Help you got you.

guided you. We're going to get back. No, stop, please. I felt away. Because this is a, we got it, we got it, we got a wrap. But we're going to get back into it. I promise you, we're going to get back into that. That's real.

Am I allowed to feel the way? Absolutely. Because again, I didn't mind any beat. I'm like, but I know what you mean. I know what you mean. This was my guidance. I know exactly what you mean. So yeah, you're, you feel in a type of way.

You thought that there's no way you would ever feel no type of way about something like that. No. Her and I, we wasn't sleeping together no more. like but it's just it's just the fact that I bought you around this and and how casually she said it to me bothered me too. Damn we don't got sometimes I like to be lied to or at least led into the truth a little easier. Like you should walk on eggshells a little bit around me just even if you don't feel you

need to just to make me feel a little bit better like I do still have an ego to some degree. Yeah. I felt the way. She just casually like oh yeah no I did fuck. I was like all right. But why did you? Okay, so, but why do you think you fell some way? Did you feel the way because of who she fucked?

No. The casual way in which she told you. I like the gentleman. I'm cool with the gentleman. Okay. We just saw the gentleman in L.A. Okay. You saw a lot of gentlemen in L.A. I don't even want to think about it.

But you, okay, so you... I'm cool with him. I fuck with him. And I wouldn't have been mad if he beat, period. So you felt some type of way because of what? Because... She just, as casual as she said it? Not even if me introducing didn't bother me as much.

The fact that I guided you through work to say, decisions that led you into this circle. You feel like you set the, the, the, you set the, you set the, you set the, you set the, you set the, you, you, you put thinking like, nah, that's, but you thought you was just doing a solid even if we're not talking no more. That's still my people. She would never do that. Okay.

Now, do you feel a type of way because he didn't tell you? No, he didn't owe me to tell you that. No, not that he owed you anything, but just the fact that he didn't tell you. No, no. And she said, she said to me, oh, I assumed he told you already. And I was like, see. No. See, but that's why I asked you because you.

And I look, if he would have said that to me, I would look to him weird. You think that if you bring a girl around, right? And I know she's with you. I know y'all have history, whatever. Y'all may have done what y'all done. And me and her end up having our time together in our moments and intimacy. We're not Eskimo brothers, right? I don't think so.

Oh, God. Again, I don't, we would have to really have like a real, like, in-depth talk about. Which is fine, too. Yeah. It's just how it happens and why it happens. I just want, I was work related. It happened because of work, work that I, that I help put decisions and like put, yo, do this.

I get it. So you feel like it was just a little too, then I was sneaky maybe. Then I was like, damn, maybe I should have just like guided her in the wrong direction. No, no, no, you can't think like that. No, see, that's some suck of shit. I'm joking. You can never think like that.

You know I'm joking. You know I'm joking. You always stand on what you did. Of course. Like you did the right thing. Oh, and by the way, the split decision that ended up her in that circle for that gig was the right decision. Mm-hmm. that shit helped her immensely.

That's what you rest of your have on. And she would have been fond to. Her talents is great. I'm not saying anything like I put her on in that way. It was just like, damn, you came to me for guidance. Yeah. And I was like, yo, you should go do that.

Yeah. And then she really did it. She went and did it. Yeah, no, I mean, I understand, man. And I'm at the gig. I didn't mean him. I know. I just think that the homie in that situation,

though, he owes you a little bit to tell you, though. Like, I don't even know if he really know how close we was. So I'd never look But still, you met If you introduced me to a girl But you and I have friends Right Him and I are associates

Difference Yeah, but still I think that you still would be like Yo, you know, sure you If she's cool Me and her hung out a couple Say something You don't gotta say yo

Son, I killed from the back And you ain't got to get in all that But you can at least say like Yo, you know me and her been kicking it We hung out a few times Da-da-da-da Does men know My male ego

I would have been hurt And instead of expressing my true feelings I would have been like Where is shit crazy right? meanwhile I'm like You crying on the inside You just Like nah

Yeah I bent her over right I was like oh no that's crazy Right like that with her right Meanwhile I'm like How fucking could she? Yeah how could she do it? She did that with him too? Yeah yeah

It's not just you I thought I was special Oh man You do that with every guy That's real though That's a real thing I gotta stop Believe in women when they talk While they have sex with me

That might be a good ending Listen man The sons I got them in I got the sons in five. I think Chris Paul comes back. I think Kauai is done for the season. They're just not announcing it yet.

I think his ACL might be slightly torn or sprained and they don't want to risk it or whatever. So I think Kauai is done. I did have the clippers winning it if Kauai played. I think there's only four guys in the league that will win the championships in the foreseeable future. Braun, Kadi, Kauai. I'm going to even put Steph in there. I think a healthy Warriors team is going to still be dangerous in the playoffs. So I think Steph, Kauai, Katie, and Braun are the ones that will own the trophies for the foreseeable future.

But, you know, in this playoff series, I do think that Kauai is done. So hopefully I'm hoping that Chris Paul gets his first ring. I hope that too. I like Chris Paul a lot. Yeah, I like this son's team. I said last year on air and Katie killed me about it. I said Chris Paul should have gotten more, you know, votes. for MVP. Everybody laughed at me. I said he took a team like the OKC Thunder to the playoffs

that had a zero percent chance of making the playoffs before the season started. But again, I was laughed out of the room. I feel like Chris Paul should have gotten more MVP votes this season. But the more important trophy is the championship trophy for Chris Paul. So I do hope that the sons finish this thing out and win a title. I think Devin Booker is, I think everybody can see it. He's cut from that Kobe cloth. Just his intensity, his game. He's not afraid of anybody. I see him getting into, you know, he's getting into it with everybody.

You don't care who you are. You don't care what your resume is in the league. Like, he just feels like he's the best player on the floor at all times now. So I got the Phoenix Suns winning at all. I got the Suns. Atlanta and Milwaukee played. Yeah. Atlanta won.

Trey Young is still. Listen, man. I hated Trey Young when he was playing the Knicks for, for obvious reasons. Yeah, I shitted on him the entire time. You got to respect him. I take every, I'm rooting for him. Yeah, you got to respect him. He's another one.

The future, the NBA is bright. The future is bright. The future is bright for the NBA. I got Atlanta winning in this series. I think a healthy Brooklyn team obviously would have beaten the bucks, but, you know, unfortunately they were hurt. Listen, man, Katie blacked out during that series. Yeah, I mean, I think that Nash just, I put a lot of that on

Steve Nash. I think Steve Nash had to trust his bench a little more. I think of some guys that should have gotten some playing time. Playing KD, 53 minutes and then 48 minutes and all that. That's too much. I mean, I get it. It's a big, important game and you need your start player out there, but you got to find six minutes, seven minutes for him to rest and, you know, try to catch his win. But again, they were hurt. So I understand that whole situation was just different and rotations obviously were different. And you would, I asked to play guys that you didn't think you would have to play. And the series was too close.

But, yeah, Milwaukee, I don't think they can handle the pace of Atlanta, the shooting of Atlanta. So, yeah, I got Atlanta winning the series. I got the sons in Atlanta in the finals, but I got the sons winning it all. I'd like to see Chris Ball win. Yeah, I'd like to see Chris Ball win. I have no predictions. Just hopes. And, shit, seen Trey in the finals be great.

Yeah, I think it's going to be fun. I think it's going to be exciting to see, you know, young Garland. like that, Devin Booker and Trey Young, and it's good to see those guys, you know, on that stage, go at it. I think it's what the game needs. You need that new Youngblood that's going to go out there and just, you know, play as hard as they can and display their talents. And then it's dope to see the fans back in the arenas, have that energy back. But yeah, I'm a rooting for the sons. A room for Chris Paul and Devin Booker. Yeah, and just to close, I think we won Atlanta in the finals because I think we should record. Like if Atlanta go to the finals, we would have to go down to Atlanta.

We're getting Trey on the show. And even if we don't. And even if we don't, we're still getting in. We're still filming in Atlanta. It doesn't matter. Yeah, we should just be by the culture, you know. Yeah. Shout out to Shikari Richardson.

Listen. I'm a huge, huge fan of hers. I love everything that she represents. I love everything that she stands for. I love her spirit. I love her energy. I love her fight. I love her mindset.

that I just that's no everything about it her is amazing yeah she's and and to be running the hundred at that height at that speed is she's a she's a fucking insane for people that don't really she's an amazing incredible athlete that we don't see often if at all and and gonna make like with boat retiring and you know that that energy around the Olympics and track in general just because it's not like a sport everyone runs to, no pun intended, runs to go listen to, or part and watch. Having her there just brings all that energy back.

Like she's good for the entire sport. Yeah. Like she's going to make the shit fun again to watch with the Tyson Gays, Osama Powell's, Usain Bolts, all retiring. Shout out to Justin Gatlin, 38 years old. Mm-hmm. Still, still.

Fucking insane. I'm really excited for the Olympics this year. Yeah. I think this shit is going to be insane to watch. Shkari has some work cut out for her. Oh yeah, it's going to be tough. She'll ain't, Shelley and Frasier ain't

somebody to play with. It's going to be tough. She's the goat, but it will be fun. And I love that this year, women's track will be way more fun to watch than men's. And men will be fun too,

but I like that the attention will be over here because it's going to be a fun summer. The women are dominating. Simone Manuel and swimming. She's dominating another black, another black woman that we're rooting for. Simone Biles, obviously,

and gymnast and she probably I got her as the greatest Olympian I think some say Michael Phelps yeah you know but I'm gonna go with Simone Biles

so it's gonna be fun this Olympics I call me crazy I have Allison Felix pretty high with her medal count yeah in that talk too another one great to see

still just at a kid married came right back still going to the Olympics she's been one of my crushes for a decade I love Allison Felix.

Yeah. So yeah, I'm excited. It'll be fun to watch, man. As people know, I'm a big track fan. Routing for everyone black. That's what I'm on. And we'll see what Ireland does in the summer games. I'm sure y'all give it a fighting chance.

Oh, man. Yeah, that t-shirt just doesn't hit the same, you know. Yeah, it's not quite there. Hey, I definitely can't get that off. I'm rooting for everyone Irish. Yeah, it's like, oh, we respect it, though. but yeah okay cool but yeah uh sleeper picks i think give us one more week to put something i want to put something together proper that would be easier for you guys to even listen to these records rather

than just read it on a description or a snippet right to be able to listen to this podcast and then go right into something where you can listen to sleeper picks so give us a second i want to do this proper we're going to build it out the same way you know i'm not telling anyone to bear with us but We're just getting our footing in our rotation and schedule with the stuff that we've shot already, the stuff that we'll be shooting, you know, per week. So I'm excited. It's going to be beautiful. It's going to be beautiful. I'm really excited.

But they should definitely, people should definitely listen to Sai Ari put out another dope project. Sai Ari not sorry. He's on a, he's just in his zone, man. I hit him today and just told him like, yo, another dope project, man. Like, I really listened to it throughout the week. And I'm just like, damn, like he's really in a nice. zone of just creating music and creating his sound.

Like he's super dope. So shout out to Sayy to Kid. Shout out to his new project. Cyari, not sorry. Skazoo hasn't missed. His new album is really, really good. Shout out to Skazoo. And more on the rap tip. Not for nothing.

Rosenberg might have a case in that rap album of the year. Talk, at least. I know people won't want to say it, so I'll be the one to say it. That Rosenberg album is fire. He can make a case. Okay. I'm not mad at that. Go back and listen to that. That really laid out. Yeah, I'm going to go back and listen to that. He put together a joint. Okay. I'll check it out. I mean, I heard it, but now that

you're giving it all of that, I'm going to go back and check it out. Yeah. I've been oddly on just my rap shit lately. I got to get back on my R&B wave, but there's been some great, great real rap type of shit coming out so yeah rap is in a good space obviously i still think mock mock has the best rap album right now i agree mock has no one yeah i think this rosenberg album though he definitely has a case to talk at the end of the year yeah obviously it's only june banks banks has been on fucking repeat yeah i can't say enough about that joint so dirk dirt shit is great yeah man dirk and low baby but yeah we'll have a uh we'll have something for y'all as far as sleeper picks go very very soon so mom let's you got something else i don't know

i didn't shit anymore nothing else summer summertime in new york city is back everyone be safe everyone you know i don't know if social distancing is still a thing but i'll be having my mask on inside elevators and airplanes for the rest of my life and that's just me i feel you all right everyone have a good week uh look out for some other content we got some guest shit coming to some more sketches so Yes. We will see you guys on the YouTube page and the audio shit. Like, subscribe. Apple, Spotify, SoundCloud.

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