New Rory & MAL - Season 1 | Episode 5 | "Hoe Legs"

Episode Date: July 16, 2021

Rory & MAL sit down to discuss being an ally of a woman in a new relationship, the dichotomy of cheating, initial fears of settling down, Snoh's album, out growing sounds, LOX vs Dipset, Sprinters, and much much more! Like, subscribe, and comment! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But 30's the new 40s the new 20. That's what's up. How that hook went? I mean, when you get, when you know what it is, when you get money like that, you don't even keep counting your birthdays anymore. No, it doesn't matter. Every day is like, it's like, whatever, man, I'm doing whatever I want to do. So in that case, 30.

And when you're rich, like, who gives a fuck? You probably got good health insurance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody gets a fuck. Like, you probably still feel like you're 20. 30's the new Medicare. That's what's up. Exactly. You're fine.

Exactly. How was your weekend? It was cool. It was like. Yeah. I think what did I do this weekend? I don't even remember what I did this weekend. You got the guns out.

You got the guns out. You got the tat session. I saw you with the guns out. Well, I have a lot of tattoos. Me getting a tattoo is not like a highlight of a. It is, man. I have this entire part of my body tattoo. We don't do shit anymore. So when you get a tattoo, when you sit down at a tattoo shop for like five hours, that's a thing.

My man, my man killing it. Yeah, yeah. That's a thing now. You go get a new tat. Like, you got to show it off, you know what I mean? I mean, I guess it's not even close to done. So I'm not going to show it off. You're going to sleeve the whole right on too?

Of course. Okay. Yeah, no, I definitely want to grow to be a dirt bag. Like, I want to look as shitty as possible. I never, uh, see, I never got a tap because I knew, like, my OCD, I wouldn't want to see any more of my, just skin plain anymore. Yeah, I got tattoos really early. Tattoos are amazing.

I never advocate against tattoos from my children. I'm cool with y'all getting tattoos if you're listening to this 20 years from now. Mm-hmm. Just don't get them early because I have shitty tattoos. Like I have tattoos that I don't regret, but it's like, dog, if I would have just waited just a little bit longer. More experiences. Yeah. And then I have like, I have tattoos the way like chicks get bad surgery.

Like they'll go back to Columbia and try to fix it. And it's like your ass looks even weirder now. I did that with this tattoo that I hate. They tried to fix it. It looks even shittier now. It's definitely an age limit too. Like I can't get a tat now. Like that one goes past.

No, that's not true. I can't get my first tat at 39. Yeah. I'm actually the fuck out. Hell no. You know how many, shout out to my man Steve, man. That's the best tattoo artist in the world.

Steve, he's dying to tap me. And I just, I'm like, bro, I'm too old, man. I can't get my first tat. You wouldn't get new Rory and Mall

tatted on you? You wouldn't get my name on you, bro? No. I definitely. Yo, what if I was to just show up with the, what if I was to just show up with the Rory and mall stamp on me?

I would give you a promo code for tattoo removal. That would be like, yo, just put new mall. Yeah. That's disgusting. Don't get my name. Don't put my red beard on you.

Yeah, no, no, don't do that. Don't do that. But yeah, I'm past that window. That window's closed. I've accepted it. But in the same token, which I think I've said this before, I don't trust people that have, like, all their tattoos are immaculate. Because to me, you got them way later in life.

And I can't really trust you because that's kind of fucking weird. Why do you have all immaculate tattoos? Yeah. That tells me, like, you were pussy growing up and, like, you wanted to get them. Want to make sure you to make no mistakes? Yeah, like, nah, fam. I don't want to see that beautiful sleeve. Like, where's the, where's the Japanese letters at?

Yes. Yeah. Show me the Chinese emblem that you actually know what that shit means. Where's your last name at? Come on. Give me the last name. Show me some panther, some footprint, paw prints. Show me that.

Give me the death before dishonor tattoo. I need that one. I need loyalty somewhere. Yeah. Show me determination in some way on your body. Like, then I know you started early. Yeah. I need ambition on your chest.

Where's that at? Well, that's good though. You almost finished with your right on. Or at least you started. Yeah, I just started. You got a lot more to do. Yes. Shout out to Grin.

Grant Stiles. Grin is doing great. Grin's back up in the Bronx. Yeah, shout out to Grin. Yeah, I went, I didn't really do much. I went out Saturday. I went out, I was in the city a little bit, hanging out, just trying to see what's going on.

See what new spots are popping up here and there. It was nice, well, it was nice for most of the day. Then it kind of rained a little bit. But that was it, man. I didn't really do too much this weekend. Didn't see anything while you were out? It was a few New Yorkers back. New York looks like it's up and running.

The masks are kind of fading away. I'm seeing less and less people with masks. I've not seen a mask yet. Yeah, I'm seeing less and less people with masks. So that's a good thing. But yeah, the city is back, man. Traffic, like, traffic is all the way back. And now you got to leave your house.

If it was 30, 45 minutes, it's an hour and 15 now. I did, I don't think it was over the weekend. I did go out. I went to a release party. That's disgusting. That's so nasty. I did. No, those are my people.

I went to, shout out to boss, boss, Cole and Lil T. to put out the record of the Jackie, which for white people, the Interboro Parkway. Yes. If you're unfamiliar what the Jackie Robertson is, used to be the Interboro Parkway, as my mother would refer to it. Right, right. I'm not calling it the Jackie. The Jackie. No.

Great fucking writer. I went to that, though, but it was nice for people that are familiar with meatpacking. You. I didn't think that went through. I'm sorry. That's what I'm here for, man. I didn't think that went through. Got you.

Don't worry about it. The meatpacking district. Yes. Which also is a pause. Yes. It is. I don't care where it is located. It's still appalled.

Yeah. Can we get some things off the pause list, though? Something. Because anytime anyone asks where you're at, you say meatpacking when you're there. You're supposed to say pause first, though. Just make it one word. Pause. Meatpacking district.

I was on Gansavort. Does that make you feel better? There you go. I'm on Gansavort. I'm on West 11th. Whatever you want to call it. West 11. Yeah.

Whatever you want to call it. Yeah. For those that don't know, it's all like this cobblestone gravel shit. I love it down there. And it made me appreciate women my age. Because I did see all like the younger girls. coming out in heels, which is appreciated. You know, heels are back.

It was sneakers for a while. Yeah. They can't walk on that shit. Cobblestone, no. It's hard to walk on top. But you remember all the girls that you knew there was OGs of Paul's, the meatpacking district. I don't think I need to pause when I say those girls are.

No. OGs are there. They could run a hundred meter dash down that cobblestone in heels. They got to get these chicks were stumbling before they walked in. They weren't drunk yet. Yeah. They got to get their, uh, they're sitting legs back. They whole legs back.

Yeah, they got to get their whole legs back. Yeah, they got to get their whole. legs back. You know, you know, they start walking and running a cobblestone trying to get to the door before the promoter says I'm going back and the side. But I, see, I don't know if they were raised this generation. I'm talking like 23, 24 year old women. I don't know if they were raised in the heel era. Because they're from the sneakerhead era where chicks started to become sneakerheads. Like even the trendy go-out chicks are sneakerheads. Well, that type of release party would definitely be the sneaker head. It was. Yeah. But you know that whole block is a bunch of

clubs. Not everyone was going there. You just watched. the cobblestone massacre of women trying to walk down that entire thing. Yeah. I just don't think these chicks are heel ready. I don't think it's their era. Yeah, they got to get their city legs back. They got to know how to remember how to run hills, how to walk on cobblestone, and the sidewalk grates. You know, the grates on the sidewalk.

You got to remember how to walk on those? But yeah, how was the party overall? How was it? I was cool. I mean, you know, regular stuff. Regular, regular shit. Yeah, I was going to come out, but it started storming. And then it was like, you know, I was like, you know, after it rained, I was like, do I want to go downtown?

I get it. I get it. I passed on it. When was the last time you, like, talked to, like, a 24-year-old? I'm not saying, like, in a sexual way or just, just, like, just had, like, a cool conversation where, like, random things could come up. Maybe at a dinner with a bunch of people, like, just where there was 24-year-olds around. It's been a while. It's been a while.

Okay. So I did that. And like, I don't know how baby pictures got brought out. I think someone maybe posted a baby picture on their IG story. So everyone just started whipping out their baby pictures. It just became one of those things at dinner. And I was thrown off because 24-year-old chicks baby pictures are in HD. Yeah, they don't know about the early 80s.

I was like, oh, my God. This is from 2002. Yeah. Yeah. This is a thing. It's a thing, bro. Yeah. Like, that's how much the world is trained.

I was like, oh, is that like your little sister? No, that's me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's scary. It's scary when you think about it. Because, of course, all these women are of age, and I'm 31, so it's not weird to be around a 24-year-old. It's not my ideal situation in age, whatever. Right.

You know, it's subjective. People could be mature. I don't want to argue with y'all in age. It just really put things in person. And not to say, I'm not that old. No. My baby pictures are. Yeah, you like the tail in.

You were born in 90. 90. 90. So, yeah, you like the tail end of the of the film. Yeah. Like, you had to go get it developed. Yeah, yes. And like, throw away cameras.

Yeah. Now everything is digital. Everybody has great skin in their baby pictures. Yeah. And their toddler pictures. It was fucking terrifying. Yeah, I have some, I have some pictures. I don't even, my mom had to point out that it was me.

That's how darked the pictures are. She's like, no, that's you. I was like, that's me? Like, I didn't even know. I was like, okay, like, the pictures are so red and brown, and it's just like, this was 83. You know what I'm saying? I was two years old. So it's like, this is like, this is real film.

Camera technology went crazy, I feel like in the late 90s, like faster than, because honestly, when I went to my grandmother's funeral, obviously people had like old pictures and shit. My pop's pictures look the same as my baby pictures. There was a couple where it looked like me. I was like, oh shit, that must be me. They were the exact same grain. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely not everything is digital. Even a lot of these kids

Between a 24 year old and a 31 year old Was fucking drastically different Yeah Yeah it's also You know you start to talk Even about just culture and music You realize like a lot of these You know these younger castes

Moving around now Like 24 25 It's like oh you don't even You can't even You don't even remember what it was like When certain like classic records came out No Like somebody's kids

They don't even remember when Benjamin's came out But here's the thing I remember But I don't remember remember. Yeah, you wasn't outside. You wasn't party and like that. Of course I remember that right on the radio and was singing it. But I was my mom was driving me to school

and making sure I got in safely. Yeah. Yeah, it's getting old, man. I guess. I enjoy the aging process. Everyone should just age. I love it. Every time I told somebody my age, they think I'm lying. Well, yeah, you look younger then. Yeah, they're like no way. I'm like, yeah, man, it is what it is. My knees, my knees

when I wake up in the morning, they'll tell you everything. You'll hear him cracking them out of way. Well, he just thought I was younger than 30, so I appreciated that. So my skincare is working to some degree. Yeah. I don't know if this lighting today. I just got a haircut. I look extra bald today.

Yeah, you got your good one against the green. Oh, sure, man. That's the classic. The corners are starting to go. Because listen, you're ready to party. You ready to go to a meeting with that cut. You can do anything with that cut. You go to brunch.

This is the cut that disguises balding. Like, if you get the good barber that's balded before, he knows where to taper the sides. So it's, all right. But you're not. That's just, this is what I understand about you. You're not balding. Like when you let your hair grow during quarantine, it was like, I met her. It was like, oh, bro, you got a full hair line.

You have like a full head of hair. I just, I don't know, man. You just have your look and you just used to a certain aesthetic. Like, I get it. Yeah. The shaved head, beard, tattooed dirtbag look. Good old American boy. Yeah.

The colors don't run, man. The colors that don't run, man. Eagles and Budweiser, what you want for me? Oh, man. What the July just happened? That's hilarious, man. I did want to know. What would you?

you do in the situation if a woman asked you to live in the moment? If she asked, if she told me live in the moment? Yeah. You were laying down with her and she just whispered live in the moment. We were already laying down? Oh, so I'm probably already naked. That's the only time you've laid down with a woman? No, but I'm just saying if I'm laying down with a woman we're laying down, nine times out of ten, I'm...

Draws, draws at minimum. You don't want your outside clothes to mess up the sheets. Yeah, I know, yeah, we never have outside clothes on the bed. But live in the moment. I said that during bathroom sex. Live in the moment? No. Don't have your outside clothes on here.

Come on, no outside clothes in here. In the bathroom? Yeah. I like you. No, a public bathroom. Like at the spot. Yeah, like, no, you got to in here. No, you got to take all of the stuff.

Live in the moment. I don't know. Probably start kissing and, you know. I think as you get old, I think kissing is like, that's like one of those things when you get older. Like, you look forward to kissing, I think. Don't do that. Because you have clowned me for years about my love for just making out.

No, but you, no, it's different with white boys. Y'all make out, like, as soon as you meet a girl. True. Like, y'all be in the spot and just be like, I'm like, how long have you known each other after watching your kiss? Like, no, we just met. That's how you get to know them. Through kissing. Listen, I'm not about to learn everything about you.

I don't even want to know your favorite color if I don't know if you can kiss. Okay. Bad kiss is, like, really turmoil. Like, you can have, you can have fire pussy. and if you can't kiss, like it really bothers me. That's a turn off. Because especially talking about aging

and my knees are just shot at this point, missionary is like a big part of my life. Yes. And face to face, I like to make out. So before I know your favorite color, like we got to figure out do we have kissing chemistry.

Right. And I only brag this way because the only thing I'm good at is kissing. So that's why I shine. That's what I shone. That's what they think is about to go crazy and that it's like, oh, all right, well,

he's just good at making out. Yeah, he's easy. He's good at kissing. But no, if you're good at kissing, I think that that usually says a lot. That says because I've never understood how, I definitely don't understand how women don't know to kiss. Like, I don't understand that. I've always debated this and lost the debate every time I've had it. I think kissing is more intimate than sex.

I see, I understand. I understand, but. Meanwhile, I was also the advocate of kissing strangers and not fucking them. Yeah, see, that's why... I'm all fucked up. Kissing is intimate, though. Kissing is very intimate. Like, I think it's crazy if you're having protected sex and you're like doing missionary and you're kissing her in the mind.

It's like, fam, this is way too intimate and like intense. That's why I always clown you condom users. I'm joking. Safe sex. Why clown you condom users where, like, short of like, oh, no, I gave him head and then I made him put a condom on. I'm like, so your mouth is STD proof, but you... Never mind. Forget it.

It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. had this talk before, the condoms are more so yes, it's for STDs, but the condoms really are for pregnancy. Like to prevent pregnancy. Because we

had this talk before, you wouldn't have sex with a woman if she had an STD if you knew that and still put on the condom. This is what I'm saying. So you wouldn't do it even if you had a condom. Like you wouldn't take that gamble. If she said, listen, I have STD. The possibility of her getting pregnant

take the risk even with a condom. If you get a girl pregnant with condom on, fam, it's just time. Like, God was just like... I agree with you. We're just about to have this, and this is what it is. Like, imagine you wear a condom with a woman. I know a woman that got pregnant when she was on Plan B.

I'm not Plan B. I'm sorry. Birth Control. Really? Swear to God, yeah. In high school. Wow. I don't know why a chick was already on birth control in the mid-2000s, but, hey. In high school?

Yeah. Yeah, that's a little... I don't think I knew any girls in high school. I just think maybe she was reading the directions wrong. That was my theory. I was like, maybe she just missed like. Missed the day? Yeah.

Maybe, you know, she didn't know her days of the week and took a Thursday pill on a Saturday. That's rough. If a girl tell you she's pregnant and she's on the pregnant, on pills, like on birth control. I just got to imagine her father, like, because men, we're stupid, especially in the mid-2000s on, like, women and what their needs are. Like, we think birth control is all about, like, you must be. fucking and you don't want to use a condom, you don't want to get pregnant. But it has a lot to do with their periods and all that type of shit. It's a health thing. Right. Which, you know, is now

men were deciding to try to understand women finally in 2021. We're finally trying to break ground on this. So I can just imagine that father like having to agree for his daughter to get on birth control at 1516 and then she's still coming back pregnant. That's tough. I am going down to the clinic. As a parent, what do you do though? In that situation, if your daughter comes home at 15, 16, Tina tells you she's pregnant. I wouldn't even know that answer that. I'd feel stupid answering that because I don't know.

But you do want kids. Of course. So, I mean, just hypothetically, your daughter comes in and says, Dad, you know, want to talk to you about something? I would lean on the abortion side, but I know that's also a traumatic experience. Mm-hmm. And I don't know if this is a controversial statement.

I don't know if a 15-year-old can make that decision on her own. And if she, I expect to be a very present father. So it's not like, you know, she has guidance in these types of things. I'm not saying that would be the number one thing. Right. You know, I wouldn't shame her for it. I just went out that real conversation with her and then let her know. Look at both sides of it.

But I would think, you know, that may be the better decision depending on what is going on in the gentleman's life and everything among that. And yeah, like once I have kids, I don't know if I want to have grandkids right away. I'm just trying to get these little fucks through school. Yeah, like, I sit back and think about that. But now you don't know a fucking grandkid on me? Yeah, I sit back and think about that sometimes. Like, I can't even see me being a grandfather.

Like, I can't even see it. Yeah. I got to hurry up just because I want my mom to be as active as she wants to be as a grandparent, like, with age. And I also want to be able to, like, dump my children off to my mom. very consistently. Like, I want to use that crutch. Turn up.

I know parents don't admit that, but I watch it. I see it. I'm not a parent. I still see it. Grandparents love it. You drop your kids off at your grandparents and you go do your shit.

I'm not mad at you. Just admit it. Yeah, grandparents love it. As much as they say, they don't and they hate it and they still want to have time. They love when you bring their grandkids over and... So do the grandkids. Yeah.

Being at your grandparents house was always the shit. Yeah, like our parents got to stop it. You love your grandkids. You want them all the time. Cut it in. But, no, why I ask you that live in the moment? question to go back quickly. I'm just tired

of women like finding out our tricks and using them against us. Our tricks? I've definitely used the Live in the Moment line. I've definitely used the, I feel like we've known each other forever line. Like women are now using these lines against us. Absolutely. And it's working on us.

Like we're eating it up more than they ate it up. Listen. We really we believe a lot of shit. Men are very simple. We just, once we feel like the woman likes us, Whatever she says that's like giving us a compliment. We're like, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm just, this is what it is with me. This is what you get.

And then you're a man, so you're supposed to have this false confidence and portray it. And you're like, yeah, of course. I mean, of course. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, why wouldn't she think that? Why wouldn't you like me? Like, yeah, we just need to know that the woman likes us. I just, I'm starting to realize at 31.

It took me this long. Men are the most naive out of the genders. We believe anything. We're easily tricked. Absolutely. It only takes a sentence for us to agree. Absolutely. Yeah, like we're terrible.

Men are, we're very simple. Like, we just want to know the basics. We'll figure everything else out on the way. But just give us the basics. Oh, you like me or you want to spend time on me? Great. Everything else we're going to fuck up, but we'll learn along the way. Yeah, and we're easily manipulated in the sense that we're so simple.

Like, it only takes, yeah, I just want to be with you. I'm not talking to nobody else. And we like, great. And we believe it. That's why I think men get heartbroken so easily. Oh, we get, we're the worst when it comes to our world. Yeah, I think that's because we believe a lot of the shit that women tell us and we just fall right into the, like we just eat it up. Men kind of never really fall out of love.

Women certainly do. That's why when I was saying, how many episodes ago that women aren't liars, they just don't finish their sentences. Like where women will say, I love you and they just forget the end of the sentence until you do this fuck shit. and then I will no longer love you. Men, on the other hand, we'll always love you. We'll resent you and hate you and pretend like we're okay forever. But we will always still love you no matter what. Women, I think, can really get over shit.

I don't think men get over shit. I think women really do get over shit. Okay, so let me ask you this question. Do you think that men cheat more than women or do we just get caught more than women? I think men probably cheat more than women. Yeah, men probably cheat more than women Though they do say 50% of relationships cheat

So somehow with that math If we're going with men and women 100% of relationships would cheat If that's the case, but I think what was the second part? Because I do think men. Do men cheat more than women Or do we just get caught cheating more than women do?

That's another good point. Women are great at cheating. Yeah. Like great at cheating. It's almost scary how good they are. Oh no. Which I'm not. proud of. I have slept with a woman that had a man. And Shorty was like a fucking Navy seal.

I was like, yo, it's not that serious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like she was covering her tracks like no other. And making me an accomplice in it like. Before you know it now you want a covert mission. Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Now I'm an accessory after the fact. Absolutely. Did you murder somebody? Absolutely. Exactly. But to me like, all right, does that make it worse? Or does that make it better? That women cheat better? like if you're going on these covert missions and you're like really going nuts in covering your tracks and going through all these steps to make sure you're not caught, is that not worse?

Because you had to really plot this shit out. Yeah. Like when men cheat and granted, men have gone out purposely to cheat, don't get it twisted. But it's in a really dumb way. Yeah. Like, all right, I'm going to cheat. And if I can't cheat, then I'm not going to cheat. Like, it's mad simple.

Like that map out plan, you had to like sit with. with your homegirls, like you're on your zero dark 30 about to go kill bin Laden type of shit. You could have stopped a lot of times. Right, right. The man brain is just like, well, I guess I can go cheat. Yeah. Oh, wait, I can't beat. All right, I'll go home.

Like, there's not much ways to stop cheating in a man's way of cheating. It's either I'm going to go beat or I'm not. I think that's why men are so hurt when their woman cheats. Oh, yeah, because it takes more. Yeah. And I think just knowing that another dude was like, smashing your queen. It just stings a little more.

Oh, it stings a lot. Yeah, it just stings just like, I think what us, women kind of expected, we're more just attractive to physical things. And whereas men, we feel like a woman is more attracted to things deeper than just physical.

So now it's like, okay, so this dude tapped into your mental, he's like, you know what I mean? Because cheating is not just physical. Mental cheating is way worse to me than. Yeah, like if you find out your girl is like having like, you know, know, FaceTime and text, like, like long text histories with other men and, like, really talking to them.

And that shit is like, okay, who am I, who is, who is this woman? Like, I don't even know her anymore. Like, you know what I'm saying? And then that pulls up the, like, if you get caught, she, it's like, man, she knew who she was. And pardon, she knew who I was when she met me. Right. Like, she knew who I was.

She met me this way. Right. And then you start thinking, like, damn, how did I meet her? How long has she been doing this? It's, yeah. seems so nice. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like, do men cheat more or do we just get caught more? Well, that's why when you date the quote-unquote more promiscuous women, it doesn't sting as much. Because you expect it. Not expected. You're just like, all right, I mean, charge it to the game.

Like, they're around. They have the resources. They know where to go when they need to do these things. It'd be the ones that, like, threw you for a loop. Like, you don't go outside. Where did you find the cheat? Yeah, yeah. Would you stay with your girl if you caught a cheating on you? That's subjective. I don't know. I've been kind of an advocate of saying that's not a deal breaker for me.

How you cheat is big to me. It's a deal breaker for me only because I feel like if you, if you're with somebody and they cheat on you and you take them back after they cheat on you, I think it sends a message that there's nothing that this person can do that would cause them to lose you. Like if you take your girl back after she's laid down with another man and her brain she's like, oh, he's never going to leave me. Like what else can I? There's nothing worse than this.

I guess I just put things higher on a relationship than sex. Of course. Like that's not the number one way you could betray me, I suppose. Really? Which I guess is maybe weird. Yeah. I was about to say, so what is higher betrayal than having sex with another man from your, from your from your woman.

How do I word this correctly? She's caught having dinner with the ops. Where her and the house go to dinner? You walk in the spot and see your girls sit down with the ops. That shit hurt more. Yo, you can't say it hurt more when your wife you have dinner with the ops, bro. Did she get an appetizer too? Because she was there to stay.

Yeah, like, are you hanging with the ops? Like, you know I don't fuck with this dude. You got barata with the ops? Yeah, yeah, nah, no, no. You guys open the cheese together? Yeah, that might be worse. That might be worse. That might be worse.

Your girl on a date with the ops might be worse. That might be worse. What makes an op, man? I don't know, man. I don't know what an op is, man. It's the word now. I've been called an op and I'm like, fam, we're not ops. I don't even go outside.

I can't be nobody's op. I don't even go anywhere. I don't really care. Yeah, I don't go. I can't be your op, bro. But no, I think to answer. your actual serious question. I think checking out of relationship, which eventually leads to cheating, without any words being said about it, is a bit more of a betrayal. And that goes back to that

communication conversation we're having where it is very difficult to talk to your partner about major things where it's like, hey, I don't think I'm really present here anymore. I think presence in relationships, I don't even mean in physical form, that can be much more of a betrayal than sleeping with somebody because that betrayal happens and then the cheating typically happens. So if you don't voice that, that's kind of more of a, which I've done before. Yeah. So I'm not in no way saying like, how could women do this? Like, I've done that as well.

That to me is more of the betrayal because that's where all this shit kind of trickles down too when you start fucking eating mozzarella sticks with the ops. You start fucking dudes. Like, that comes from checking out and not being present in a relationship or being there for somebody in, you know, an emotional type of way. That was one of the reasons why, you know, when people, we talk and people like, you all haven't had a girl in forever. But that was, that's one of the reasons why.

I don't like commit to one woman or I haven't in a while. It's because, you know, I'm honest with myself. I'm like, let's be honest here. Like I'm not ready to just be with one woman. I'm not ready to just, you know, settle down. And before I be a piece of shit or be, you know what I'm saying? Like, just lie to a woman. I'd rather just be like, listen, we're friends.

We're having fun. We're enjoying each other. This is nothing too serious. It's always respect. You know, it's always a certain level of respect that I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I try to keep with all women that I date. Can I ask you a question there, though? Absolutely.

To cut you off purposely. What, to make it fair to say that, to be self-aware in that place, what do you think would make you ready? And what makes you think you would be ready when the right woman comes? I don't know if it's any particular thing that I could say would make me ready. I just think that when you meet somebody and you kind of just click and vibe with them, you get to a point where you're like, yo, I don't ever want to do anything to hurt this. person because I fuck with them on that level. Like, you're,

you're, to me, your girl should be like, your homie, your best friend. Like, you wouldn't want to do anything to betray your homie.

You wouldn't, you wouldn't want to do anything to betray your best friend. Um, so when you, when you get to that point with a woman and it's like, it would hurt me to like, know that I did something to betray her,

her trust. And I was, I was, I was disloyal to her. I think once you get to that point with a woman, I think you just know, like, this is my,

this is my partner. This is who I want to be with. But you do you think it takes a while to get to that point? Yeah, I think absolutely. I think people don't, we don't spend enough time getting to know, like we just said, sometimes you don't even know your partner. Like, it's a lot of things you don't know. People, I think people are just afraid of being alone, the thought of being alone.

I think people are afraid of. I think people are afraid of, you know, feeling like they missed out on something. Like, I, to me, it's better to be single and alone. than to sell a lie and a dream to somebody and have them thinking that, oh, this is what we own, this is we're a couple, you know, it's just us. And then they turn around to find out,

like, you're a piece of shit. You've been fucking everybody. Like, to me, it's like, yo, why are you doing that? Why not just be single? I guess my question in that is when you're saying you're leading, when you start talking to a woman,

you're saying, hey, I'm not ready to have a relationship. I'm, you know, out here not really on the commitment thing. I'll always be honest with you. We could do this and we do that. If you're leading with that, you're not really allowing the space to really get to know them to see if they'll be the homie partner or anything because your mentality going in is well this is going to last for as much fun as I can have and then I'm going to be out no but that's what I said you can you can go into it you know like you meet a woman and you know like I'm not really looking for anything serious right now but then sometimes shit happens hanging out and you're like damn you're like the best relationships that's what I'm saying like she's cool like we don't see each other four times this week hung out like and then you look up and you look up and you're like feel like damn this is like now this is a real friend like i know everything she she's talking about prior relationships and you know whatever business goes and life goes and y'all start you know just

forming this chemistry and this bond and then you look up and you like yo this is my you know what I'm saying like this is my this is my this is my my homie this my girl do you think you're scared of taking risks for both parties to not hurt her and hurt yourself no i'm not afraid to take risk I'm just honest. Like I know it like right now. Like I'm not stable enough. I don't sit down long enough. Like I'm moving around.

I'm out of town, in town. Like it's a lot of shit going on. But that could never change though. So you kind of, I don't want to say have to adapt to your lifestyle. She has to adapt to your lifestyle and vice versa. But you do have to take that risk of the fear of, yo, I fuck with this person, but it may not be the right time. But let me still move forward with this.

That went back to our wasting time. conversation we're doing that lyrical breakdown like you got to go out and risk and fail and on top of that that's how you're really going to know if that's really your homie if that's really the person that you're going to be with because you're going to have to fail with them for sure so i maybe and i was never a serial dater by any means but i did take risks and fail and that's probably why i've known as much as much as i have in dating and getting to know someone because i know myself better. And that's why I like women that have a past to some degree. Like they know themselves better. They know how they're going to react to things. They know how to weather the storm

through shit because they've done it already. Right. I feel like that that mentality sometimes for people that say like it's a noble place. Like dog, I'm not trying to go out. If I know him be out trying to see other women or be on the road or whatever, I'm not going to sit down and tell a girl that we're in a relationship. That's noble. But you still do have to take the risk. Because what if you being on tour for the rest of your life is how you eat. You're going to have to know how to move with a woman too. Absolutely. But you get to that point where you're just like, that's over with.

Like, I don't even want to, I don't care about ever being, you know, like that with another woman. I don't, like, you just know when you, at that point, like, no, I'm cool, man. No, listen, drug addicts don't get over drugs. They just learn how to deal without doing drugs. Like. You're compared, all right, so you just compare it, like, being in a relationship to, like, being on drugs?

Okay. Being single and. just going out and seeing women in that lifestyle. That's the drug. Okay. And you can get addicted to that and you can't, for a lot of men, a lot of men, we have to be honest. That is somewhat of a drug and an addiction that you may not just wake up one day,

be like, yo, I'm over this. Like, a lot of times you just have to learn to not do it anymore. Like, it's really, that's really what it is. Oh, no, for sure. But that's been a thing for me. Like, I haven't been, like, when you, You can't, again, you can't, you can't just be out here just trying to just like jump on anything. Oh no, that's nasty. That's nasty. That's not what I'm talking about.

That's about that reckless type of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm also saying like, you know, you just know when you meet a woman and you like, damn, like she's dope. You know what I'm saying? But I know she ain't with none of the fuck shit. You know what I'm saying? And you might know you still got a little fuck shit left in the tank. And you like, yo, let me not even. I'm not even, because I fuck with her. I'm not even wasting her time. Like, let me just leave her alone. But that's like the rehab where it's like, yeah, I can't be on my drug addiction shit here. But it doesn't mean I'm still not feigning for drugs. Right, for sure. So it's something you have to learn to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. In no way am I saying men are out here just fucking everything that walks.

But I do think men, especially in certain industries or in certain environments, let me not even say that because the dude at McDonald's wants to live this way and may live this way too in his own hood. Absolutely. You kind of have to just adapt to getting out of that if you were. want a relationship. It's in no way you're going to wake up one day and just be like, yo, I'm over. You know, I fucked. I hit my thousand bitch. Yeah, that's it. I'm done. It doesn't work that way. It doesn't work. It's like, no one ever hits the crack pipe and it's like, all right,

that was the last good high. Like it don't work. You really have to do the work to get out of that mentality. And women have to do that probably less than men, but women have to do that as well to get out of certain lifestyles to be better partners. It's a very intricate thing where people just think. It's all timing. It's all time and, bro. That shit's work. Yeah. And it's all time and like I tell people all the time if you you see people that have a healthy relationship and you know what mean like they're happy and you know again the optics on outside they could be going through turmoil in the house but for the most part you notice these people like damn they dope their relationship is crazy like they really down for each other they best friends they that that was timing like

they both met at a time in their life where they were just ready for that and they may not even they might not have known it but it just happened so like naturally for them where it's like you see them it's like yo dick that that's there ain't nobody coming in between that or there's the other side of that coin is where they met with bad time

and they met when they were young and their lives went in different ways but the only thing keeping them together is because we want to stick together as friends and that takes fucking turmoil and a bunch of bullshit it takes relapsing it takes going back to rehab it takes finding another drug

if it finds all right my addiction used to be this let me go find another healthier addiction Like it all comes with that entire thing, which is a perfect segue. Why don't you let me like women's photos when they're in love? I just thought to... You text me. All right, so just to give them some backstory, I saw, I was scrolling on Instagram and I saw Rory like someone's picture that we both know.

Shout to her. Shout out to her. She posted a picture with her boyfriend, her and her boyfriend. Beautiful photo. Beautiful. The love was just jumping through the phone. You could just feel it. And only like maybe a few people liked it.

But because we have a mutual follower in Rory, it says Rory's name. So yeah, I saw it. First like. I was like, picture was up maybe four minutes. So I'm like, I never caught Rory this early on a like, ever. So I had to fuck with him. I'm like, I'm like, fam, I screenshot it. I texted to his phone.

I said, Rory, what you like about this picture? First of all, algorithms. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It was the first one in my, love is in my algorithms. No,

I get it. Listen, I'm telling you, it was, it was just, I felt it through the phone. Anytime there's a couple, like,

that's going to pop up first because they know, I'm a double tap there. Okay, okay. I was just throwing off a little bit. It's not that I don't, I'm laughing at you liking a picture of somebody in love. It was just, it was just a little early in the clock.

It was like, it was a lot of time left on the clock. I just didn't expect that shot. We just did a lot of mature bullshit. Let's get to some toxic shit. Okay. Sometimes. We should cue to Brittany record toxic right here.

That's the record you thought of. Yeah. Why not? Great record. Not a future record. No, no, no. Let's go to spare. She just got a new lawyer like she's about to get her life back.

Shout up to Brittany, man. Yeah, so of that. Congrats to Brittany. That's actually really great. All right. Let's get into some toxic talk. Okay. Sometimes you have to double tap that picture to let her know you're an ally.

Okay. I see where we're going. All you got to do is give me to play and I'm a, okay, so I'm going to come off. I'm going to come off the pin down. Okay, yeah. Sometimes you got to double tap that to let her know, you know what time it is. And I'm going to go a step further. And sometimes you got to double tap it because y'all might have a little history and you

ain't spoke to her in a minute so you want her to know that you see where she's at in life right now. It can go both ways. Yeah, yeah. Let's focus on the first one of. When you double tap her and her boyfriend, I mean, I don't know if her man has been around for a while. I don't know his pedigree as far as knowing dudes and how they move. But a lot of girls back to men being easily manipulated can easily spin that to like, look, that's just a friend. He liked us.

Right. He liked us chilling together. Yeah. He loves love. He's just happy for us. It kind of takes you off the radar. Yeah, it kind of takes you off the radar all of it. Sometimes if your followers just sitting there and you're not liking nothing, he's going to be like, well.

Yeah. What's up with this dude? with him. Yeah. So sometimes you have to double tap just to let her know that you will hold it down like any time if he comes to you as a man, which we have to admit happens. Please don't. Don't do that.

Men should never. It's happened to me. No. Absolutely. In person, not a DM. Which I can respect it in person of like, let me take that back. I don't respect it. But I respected it more than a DM because I didn't know dude.

Okay. And he was like asked, I'll always hold it down no matter what. Yeah. I don't do, but, but we know that as men. I'm never going to tell a strange man. I would, yes, like me and your girl have a history. Are you crazy? I think there's some insecure dudes that love validation

that would be happy to say to another dude, yeah, fuck you girl. That's nasty. I actually think most rap songs on men's side and women's side are all based on telling people that. Like, I think it's hilarious that chicks always talk about. They hate cheaters, but every female rapper, all they do is say, yo, your dude is in my sheet. right now.

Yo, that's, you know, listen, man, that's some funny shit. Your dude is in my sheets. Listen to every female rapper now. They're all taking your man. But we got to,

and that's another thing we got to stop doing. We got to stop listening to these rappers and these artists. Because let me tell you something. I've seen some of the, these artists that be talking, these rappers that be talking crazy, pimp player shit in their songs. I don't see some personal text messages to the women that they like.

Are you, are you suggesting that rappers aren't living their rhymes? No, no, no, I'm not, listen, I'm not suggesting it. We know it. But it would, it would, it would, like, really, like, it would really put things in perspective if, like, the casual fan could just read some of the text messages from, like, their favorite rap to, like, the women that they date. Or why? Like, it'd be shit, I'd be like, no, he did not say that.

Or why rappers have hated us. Oh, my God. Like, I didn't know. All the beach I asked me are over women. Yeah, like, I didn't, I understand it. Weird. That's what I'm saying. understand that at first. I'm like, wait, like, she's fucking with a rapper. Why is he, like,

throwing shade towards me? I'm just a casual. How I don't care and you could take her to Turks. Because I'm sure not going to do it. But that's why, but that's why they care. Why, I don't care. But that's why I think it's a, it's an ego thing. They feel like, yo, you fucking with me. I got more money than him. I got more jury than him. I got more cars than him. Like, you should not be with that dude. I have better conversation. I have better conversation. than you. They don't want to go there. I got better personality than you.

Exactly. Like, I'm cooler than you. Like, I guide her better. But that, you can't guide her better. Okay. Hey, listen, however you get your shit off, get it off. I set up her swimwear LLC. You just took her somewhere in swimwear.

Yeah. See, that's the thing. You tap into a different emotion. These niggas thing just, just spending money and it's like, nah, fam, like that ain't it. Like, you got to do more. You know what I'm saying? You got to really get to know this one.

are so corny myself included yeah but it happens man it happens to all of us man what was the second part of that conversation because i didn't want to get away from that i was talking about being an ally you brought up another good point of what else it could be um about liking a picture yeah um just to let her know like y'all may not have a history and you know just to let her know like y'all may not have spoken in a while it's just to let her know like okay i see you you you know y'all got a house together or you know it's just kind of like that type of thing sometimes it's just like I'm still around. I still see you.

Yeah. Yeah. It's sometimes depending on who it is. It's like, yo, listen, you know, I know y'all be this around the time y'all go through your thing where y'all, y'all stop fucking with each other

for a few months. Like, I'm here. I have to ask you, I need you to take your three stacks cool off. I need you to take your cool off. Have you ever sent a spiteful or maybe a congrats with a little bit of sauce on it?

It was a little bit, a little bit of Morton salt in there on a congrats. Nah. I've never. A little bit of Morton on it. I've liked the picture with it. It was a salt like, though.

Like, you know it's a salt like. I don't really like this shit. You know, you know when you don't like it. Like, I don't like seeing you happy with this nigga. That's actually when I want to like quicker. Yeah. But you're salty. That's why.

I'm a salty person. Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. Like, you definitely fill a type of way like a word. Okay. So y'all see that you're, are you public with it now? Okay. Listen, I could be a dirty salty.

I could be the Hudson River. I get on my real dirty salty shit. Go Lowrys on them. Yeah, but you got to do But I think women like that I think women like knowing that A guy that they used to You know, be with and spend time with

Still has some feelings for them And you know I think I think to an extent As long as you're not overly aggressive with it As long as you're not in her text messages And random face time And knowing she's probably with her man Like as long as you're not doing stuff like that

I think it's fine Like in a picture I think that you know women They like that They like to know that you still looking And you still paying attention to them Yo, another thing I've noticed post-quarantine. I think women have retired the move their head to show the Rose Royce symbol behind their head.

The new one now since outside is open, they're going to let you know when they're in a sprinter. I've seen a couple of other still the double-laws. Listen, man. I've seen the sprinter one is getting a little out of control. I know the car has lights on the bottom. I get it. Yeah. I know all your friends can fit.

It's funny when you catch things like that, though, especially from women that you might know personally. It's like, oh, boy, you too. And then I start getting into the psychology of it. Like, all right, I know you. You wouldn't post this if there wasn't a reason. Right. You're trying to piss somebody off. Yeah.

But what? Trying to piss a girl off. That too. It's not always men. It's not always, no. You know when it's men. You know when it's men. Yeah, they try to piss off their ex-friends or the chicks that are hating or whatever the fuck they say these days.

Absolutely. But no, the influx of women and sprinters on my timeline has gotten to a kind of a crazy. Strangers, the influx of women on private jets. Oh, well, you follow a different... I'm down here in the mud, bro, just with the Mercedes sprinters. No, but it's women that I never would have thought would be on private jets. I'm just like, how? Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, okay, I'm not, you know, I'm not mad, but it's just like, you? I mean, listen. Who's putting you on a chartered? PPP loans went crazy and they're still trying to find people. So like, let's spend up this money before we get caught. Yeah, yeah. I'm not mad at it.

Listen, I get it, man. Live life, have fun, do what you do. No, I just think. Because typically with the type of women we're talking about, it's typically rappers or athletes that would be in those private jets. let's just call a spade of spade let's not sit here and lie. Right.

I just think they take it to anybody at this point. Some I've seen, I definitely felt like that. I'm like, okay. This sounds like, hey, I promise I swear to God it's not hate. No.

It's just that when you know certain, and it's the same for guys. And I'm not judging the girl at all. I'm happy. Like, go ahead, go. Yeah. You'd never get this experience. Yeah.

Listen, I get it. But just like some women see guys with a certain type of woman and they're like she's with him like because they look at the women like you definitely shouldn't be with him like you know what I'm saying like it goes both ways I think all Mall and I are trying to say is we want to

be taking on a private jet is that what we said that will be hitting that that's how they're going to play this clip as oh of course yeah we are just trying for a rapper athlete to bring us on a private jet I saw a clip floating around on on Instagram

about a guy who was he seemed to ruffle some feathers out there and I just found it interesting because which feathers he ruffled it was a few because in the comments they were going uh

letters H-E-R-E that means I'm here that means come outside and that means when we go like whatever our plans are we're going to go do what our plans we're set to do I'm not getting out of the car

to open your door or to meet you at the door or to ring your doorbell when you could just walk downstairs. Honestly, I know a lot of people don't want to hear this, but I personally believe, and this is just my personal perception on me and my friends and all the females that we have dealt with collectively, chivalry is almost dead.

It's on his last leg. That's not true. Maybe I might hold the door open for you, yeah. But I'm not getting out of my car to ring your doorbell to tell you to come downstairs to get back in the car. That actually doesn't even make sense. As a guy, I will admit, that doesn't stop me from getting a box when you don't do it.

It's actually like the more disrespectful if you are these days, the more that they give you the box easier. That's not true either. I get it. That's a social media topic. I get it. That's not true, but let's buy into it. Let's go with this.

Chivalry, I think, is just confused now. If you're asking me to pay the rent at your apartment, don't ask me to open the door to. Okay. Pick your battles in chivalry. So give up the car door. Yes. But if you want me to pay your rent, open the door that I'm paying for. Do something here.

Because at that point, listen, you have to make your, your child has to do chores in the house, right? Because they're not paying no bills. You don't pay the bills in here. Earn your keep. They're going to kill me. Listen, man, I'm trying to set the screen. You know what I'm saying? Look, here's my thing.

I think you're right. I'm a bill payer. I'm an admitted bill pair. Listen, I think you're right in saying that because what he said was, right, I'm not getting out the car to go ring your bell and wait for you to come down and say it's open your door. Okay, that may be a little. That may be going above and beyond. Where does she live?

Can I pull into the driveway? Do I have to go to 26E? Like, you have to give me the environment in which we're in. I think Again, I think that it's certain things that to say chivalry is dead It's definitely not. That's not dead. It's not even because it's not dying.

But I think that there are some things like the example we gave of getting out the car going upstairs to ring the bell, whatever, whatever way for you to come down. Maybe that's a little extreme. But maybe you can wait outside the car and, you know, for when she comes down and open the door. I guess. You don't have to go like to the door upstairs to her apartment and like all of that shit. I guess I would just be tired of being my representative at this point in my life. I'm hypothetically speaking. I would just be tired of that.

Like, I'm probably not going to do that forever. So I'm like to be, no, go up to your fucking apartment and open to grab you. That's a little. And as far as the car door goes, if we're walking to my car, I will 1,000% always open your door. Yeah, yeah. That'll never change. And if I'm in the car, I'll probably lean over. Yeah, yeah.

I lean over, unlock, and do it. No, but you got power locks now. You don't even got to lean over in no more. That's true. You know what I'm saying? I have a Mazda. They still have power locks in the Mazda. What are you talking about?

I've been in the Mazda. That's true. You've been in the Mazda. You've been in the Mazda. What are you talking about? But it's nicer if you lean over and open it. It's a different gesture. It's a different gesture.

But no, shivery isn't dead. I mean, it's again, I think that... I'm sorry to cut you off. I think that going upstairs opening the door is a little extreme and all of that. Sometimes... But opening the car door to me is that's normal shit. That's normal behavior. Sometimes I feel like that chivalry shit, like the stereotypical one of like opening the car door when she walks out type of thing.

Not actual shivery. Like the stereotypical shit makes me look more like I'm full of shit. Okay. Like if you're trying too hard? Yeah. Like I feel like she should raise an eyebrow in a bad thing. Like he's doing too much. Like he's trying too hard.

Like this might be crazy. Like why are you waiting outside my building next to your car? like standing like this, like, here's my Mazda madame. Like, here's my Mazda madame. Like, I feel like it may look creepy. Like, I don't mind pulling your chair out is not creepy. I just feel like there's some overly shivery shit that is creepy. Yeah, I think certain things are a little much.

It's a little, it's a little too aggressive. It's like, all right, calm down, fan. And the type of women I like are funny, silly, sarcastic. Like, they're going to look at me. Like, yo, if you don't get your ass in that corner. Yeah, like me. My personality, they're going to be like, yo, cut it out. Like, what are you doing?

Like, you look stupid. Like, that's the response I'm going to get from one. Even with my corny personality, I feel like, all right, fake, get back of the car. Yeah, like, certain women will look at you like a little crazy. Like, that's a little unnecessary. But no, shivery isn't dead. And I saw, you know, Instagram had fun with that. The women were killing him.

And a lot of guys jumped in and was killing him, too. So. As guys wouldn't do it? Well, they were saying that he was a little too, you know, he was going a little too crazy with the chivalry is dead. I don't think it is at all. Shivery's not dead, no. I think certain things are just normal.

You open in a car door and you're walking with a lady. I open the door at the bank for any woman on earth. Yeah, that's not chivalry. It's just something that's programmed in you. Like, you just see a woman coming or even if it's a guy walking behind me, I'll hold the door. Not mad at all. Yeah, it's not like, it's certain things you just do. Real chivalry is a different type of behavior that's not opening car doors.

Right. So if that's a make or break for a woman. like stop watching Bronx Tale. Yeah. Please. Because they still living off of that one. No, we're living off of that. Are we?

Because he said Shorty's supposed to open the door for you. After you open it for her, she's supposed to lean over. Yeah, and open it. That has not. When did Bronxdale come out? Can you look that up? That was 90, I want to say, four? I thought it was late 80s.

93. 93. That has not happened since 1993. That has not happened since 1993. Keisha is the only woman that's ever done that. And I know her name was not Keisha in that. Keisha from Belly was what was her name? She's the only woman at Earth to ever lean over and open that door.

I've never seen that in real life. Never. No. That was a Bronx tale. That was just a tale. That never existed. And that was supposed to be back then in the, what was that? The 60s 70s.

60s 70s. 60s. So, but yeah, shivery is not dead. So please don't believe that. It's okay to open car doors. They killed me. They killed me for paying for a homegirl's dinner that I, I wasn't at the way.

They killed me for that. So it's like, I don't know any, I don't know anymore. I don't know what's going on anymore. Do I not open the door? Do I not? You pay for his chivalry.

Yeah. But I mean, you know, it's okay. That's my home girl. You put him on consignment for his chivalry. No, just, you know,

my home girl, man. That was funny laugh. You're going to force me to laugh at this shit. You fronted him. It was something else I wanted to ask you. Uh, Okay, because I was going to say we get in music, but while you're looking, I'm just going to admit as the first person, it's July 15th while we're recording this. This came out in July 16th. I think I missed summer already. I think it's over. I think I'm too late. I just realized it's summer.

I just hit me. I was like, oh, fuck, we're in summer. Yeah, because I was trying to plan a trip and I'm just like, okay, two weeks from now is August. I missed it. Yeah, it's like, okay. You can't. And once you start planning the summer in August, yeah, it's like, oh, shit. focus on your costume for Halloween. Yeah, but you know what it is too? I think this, we were kind of sort of just coming out of COVID restrictions and

lockdowns and mandates and all of that kind of leaning into the summer. So it kind of, we got like a little slow start. You know what I mean? Some people have not slowed down since the pandemic started. Some people I know have been traveling and going places. But I think that's what it was. I think, you know, it was still kind of sort of some restrictions and is it okay? Is it safe?

You know, certain cities are just now opening. But yeah, man, fucking. I'm planning a trip, bro. I got to get out of here. I got to get off the grid for a few days. When people are hearing this? Tom Hanks and Castaway for a few days. I mean, just stay away from beach balls.

But, you know, I just want to go off the grid for a minute, man. Well, I'm about to go off the grid. I'm about to go to it. While you're hearing this, I'll be in Atlanta. Oh, you're off the grid. You way off the grid. No, I'm going to the grid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm going to the grid. I'm more off the grid here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going from Atlanta to L.A. Oh, God. You look at you. No, that's when I realized that I didn't have a summer.

When I was booking, I was like, all right. By the time I'm back, it's August. And now it's summer's over. I did nothing this summer. That's why I'm taking the time to plan something, man. Fuck that. Because I'm just the type of person. I have to force myself to do it.

Or it's just like, I'm just going to look up and the summer's over. Yeah. Oh, well. We wasted last summer. We could waste this one. Yeah. You got some new music, though.

Music did come out. Yeah. Music did come out. Snow's album. How you feel about it? Would probably be the top one. I'm glad that we recorded this almost a week after it came out. Because if we came the next day, I would have been thoroughly confused.

Yeah. I was very confused off the first listen. It was not in a bad way. In no way I was like, yo, it's just trash. Right. I was just confused, especially for the first half of the album. I think as much, I'm a hypocrite, admittedly, always like when artists developed their sound or whatever, I went in to that album wanting all these feelings part two. Yeah.

And it was not that at all. But is that awful or the artist's fault? That's a consumer's fault. Absolutely. And she shouldn't ever think that she should do this for Rory part two of my feelings. Yeah, no. It just threw me off. I don't want to say it was up-tempo, but it was just a little different of a.

sound from the moodier sound that the last from feels and those feelings. It wasn't what we expected. And I guess I just love that shit so much. Yeah, it's growing on me. Every time I listen to it, I like it more. Yeah, and I actually felt less moodiness off the first few listens.

The more I listen to it now, I'm catching more moody shit. Like, she still has those hurt bars in there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They still exist. Yeah. But I think it was a good development of sound. It just took me a little bit to get there. Yeah, it's growing on me.

The more I listened to it, the more I start to, you know, I like it more, the melodies and I'm catching like bars and the lyrics more. I like it. You know, overall, I like the project. Like I said,

I think it was a little different than what I expected. Once I saw the two Tyler features, I was like, okay, this is something a little different. So, but hearing it, it was like, okay. Yeah.

It's different, but I like it. And the more I listen to it, the more I like it, So, I'm not mad at it. Temporary highs, the song, not the album title, did make me think about trying Molly again. For temporary high? Yeah, but like moody Molly. Like not turn up Molly.

Yeah. That's one of those drug records. But again, yeah, Tyler, to your point, Tyler being on it, not to say Tyler hasn't done features for people, but he's getting a little bit more active in doing features for artists. We wouldn't expect. Two features on his project. And produced, I think both records. I would love for Tyler just to get more in that bag of producing for other people. If he puts a verse on it, even better.

But I'd like to see Tyler just produce more for other people. But yeah, overall, I mean, I'd love to give you all a crazy breakdown, but I'm surprised that it's taking me this long to really try to digest this snow out. It confused the fuck out of me in the beginning. It wasn't what we expected. It wasn't what we expected. I think that's a good thing. Absolutely.

I think artists should confuse the fuck out of you. Absolutely. But it is good. It is really good. I do like the uptempo stuff. I guess if you think about the month it was put out and the time it was put out. I'd probably try to put out that first half of the album to be uptempo. So shout out to Snow.

I like it. Shout out to No ID. James Fonleroy on the album. Yeah, but I still need the cocaine 80s. Yeah, I know. Felt like James just threw a little parsley on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He ain't really getting his bag bag back.

Yeah, yeah. Which is fine, though. I like when James pops up. He did it with Cizzer, too. I like when he just throws something on real quick. That's not a full verse. Do you listen to Vince's album? I did.

I like it. Saw Vince tweet, I think it was him tweeting, or retweeted the tweet, that his fan base was saying it doesn't sound like him. Again, the same thing with the Snow album. Fans were expecting something that we already got before hearing the same type of Vince that they've heard before. and that's not where he is. You know, he's older.

He has more experiences. He has more things to talk about. And I think that's just, this is just him expressing that on the album. It's just a different person. And again, I wouldn't say Vince and I are best friends or even friends in that capacity. We're acquaintances and associates,

but even based off just his tweets and his personality and interviews, this album to me sounded like Vince, like more. than his other music. Like a more mature? I wouldn't even say mature. It just sounds like Vince Staples from Long Beach.

Like it didn't sound like some of like the summer 06 shit that may have been, I don't want to say it wasn't dancey type shit, but Vince has killed the uptempo shit before. Like he's done that genre. And in no way is this a YG album, but like it sounded like Vince to me.

It sounded like good rapping over good beats. And I know that's like a surface thing to say. But I was so shocked that Vince has said that his fan base felt like, oh, here it is. Got a lot of people telling me, Vince Staples by Vince Staples doesn't sound like me. Make it make sense. We online today troubleshooting. It sounded exactly like Vince to me. Do you think that's a good thing what he's doing?

Tweeting? Well, when you tweet what the fan's reaction is to your current project and then you say we're online today troubleshooting, which means I'm online ready to engage and go back and forth with fans about. why y'all feel like this album doesn't sound like me. To me, I think you just open in it because if we're going to be honest, a lot of people probably didn't hear

this Vince Staples album and they're going to be in his mentions just saying, yo, the shit is trash. So then you get a false gauge of... The strategy to that, and I don't think in any way did Vince do this as a strategy. I don't think he's that type of person.

He is an active tweeter, if you will. Yeah, no, for sure. I don't think this was the strategy of like, let's get people to talk about it more. But a lot of people do that in the sense of it doesn't matter if it's negative. Let's just get everyone to talk about it. They usually wouldn't talk about it because now it's becoming a subject on the timeline. So in some capacity, I think that may have been that. Yeah. I don't think Vince did that here because Vince is very in tune with his fan base and he actively talks to them.

Right. So look, so somebody says for me, the bars was eh, but the beats were cool. I just expected it to go harder. And then Vince was, Vince says, defined, go harder. When you start doing things like that, but I know what that means. And listening to the Vince album multiple times at this point, Vince found, and we're going to sound very rap nerdy and corny here, but the pockets Vince found in there, I think people associate rapping and the ability to rap and quote unquote going harder like this tweet says to to rapping faster. Is that what you think that the fans think go harder is?

Yes. I think, yeah, like if you're going to find a beat that you could just rap straight through to and then we're going to go to the hook. The beats that Vince has on this are pocket beats and he has great lyrics, but he's just doing them in a flow that is slower. Right.

It's just not the same, let me rat. It's not his LA Leakers freestyle. Right. Yeah, I mean, I get it. And that's music though. Like, fam, I don't want every rap but just rap, just rap straight, fucking. through. Yeah, no. That shit is

annoying at some point. I understand how you have to please your fan base and you know, you have to give them what they want. But I do like the fact that artists, you know, they mature and they grow their sound. They've experienced more. They have more things to talk about.

They have different perspectives to talk from now. So I understand, you know, if fans are like, ah, it doesn't really sound like because you fall, when you meet a when you meet an artist and you fall in love with the artist, you fall in love with what you first heard from him or her. That's a fact. And then you wanted to kind of stay that.

You don't want to grow with the artists. And I mean, and I think as consumers, consumers are, well, we all know consumers are lazy. But it's our duty sometimes to grow with the artists that we love and we support and we appreciate. And I think that sometimes we just get stuck in a box like, you know, a lot of people that love prints. Let's say, you know, Purple Rain is the shit. It's like, do you want Prince to make purple rain for the rest of his life? Like, you know what I mean? Or do you want Prince to grow?

Like Mary Jay, they say, oh, Mary is hurt when she's going through something. That's when her music is the best. It's like, okay, so you do you want Mary to be not happy for the rest of her life? Well, I guess that poses the question, do I really care about this artist or do I care about their art? Right, right. That's really where that is. And I don't know where we define fan and Stan or where we draw that line. but yeah there's there's plenty of people and again i empathize with people and do care about

their well-being regardless of humanity because i'm auditioning for the miss america pageant but yeah some some consumers do not give a fuck about your mind state they just want you to produce the best music for them and i almost feel like a lot of stands feel that way too yeah but that's why i said this what Vince is doing you know talking about his album that people are indifferent about online is kind of, I don't know if it's a good idea because you leave yourself open to just have this dialogue with people that, again, they just want the events that they fell in love with. They don't want no new shit. They don't want you to try shit as an artist.

They don't want you to experiment. Give me the shit that I fell in love with you for and then get the fuck out my way. Well, I mean, you just allow more stupidity to come in. Anytime you ask a question on the internet, and I'm guilty of this as of maybe 24 hours ago. You just allow more stupidity and opinions that never would have been said to begin with. now there's a platform. But I don't think this Vince album is like some outer like Ato-Wates and Heartbreaks version. Like it's a great Vince album.

Yeah, it's not. I like it. Yeah, I think that's interesting. He's rapping. He's rapping. He's good lyrics. It's good raps. It's good songs.

It's good songs. It's good production. It's like, you know, what is it to be upset about? But again, I understand how consumers fall in love with artists and the sound and they don't want that sound to change. So I understand that whole thing. Did you, um, you see T. Payne on Twitch, I believe it was Twitch. I didn't see it on Twitch, but I saw the viral clip going around.

We can play a little snippet of it. I get it. I just appreciate T. Payne. I think he's hilarious. Yeah, I get it. I mean, you know, it's, again, you know, and I'm not one of those guys. Like, I, because I came up in the era of, you know, when Snoop and Dre and the chronic and all of that, you know, doggy style, my mom would kick my door down if I had.

had doggy stop playing in the room tell me to turn that shit off. And so when you get older, it's just the sound, changes, and rap. And my mom was a fan of rap. She just didn't understand or appreciate some of the early, quote unquote, gangster rap from the West Coast that I liked. Okay. With Dr. Dre and with Snoop. Because of the content, you know, the language, you know, it was, I was young, so my

mom didn't really want me, you know, taken in that type of shit. but you know I look at it like when you you look back now you look at the the people and the legacy that gangster rap has produced with Dr. Dre. Look who he is today with Snoop. Look who he is today. You know what I mean with a lot of these artists from when I was younger. So the new sound of rap I don't knock it. But one would say that what Snoop and Dre were doing was completely innovative and not the sound that was happening really at all. How can we say that this isn't innovative with a lot of these?

Oh, I'm not saying that. Young rappers are doing. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I'll be the old guy here to say that when Snoop and Drake came out, it was much more innovative than... But was it? I think the sound...

No, I think there's a lot of influences. They were also pioneers. You have to add that in. Nothing had happened, like, to that degree in hip-hop with the G-funck shit and the type of samples they were using. And that's why Dr. Dre is such a fucking genius. Yes, you can see the direct influences and you can see people chasing sounds much more now than you could then.

And that also has to do with pioneers and how many people were even rapping and then kind of recreating the genre in the early part of that. Right. But I have to be objective here because I came in here and I killed Usher. Did you? For saying what he said about T. Payne. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. I did come in here and say that.

And to some degree have to be objective and not a hypocrite. Or maybe I'm being a hypocrite here. you guys decide. This could be kind of what Usher is saying, because I think a lot of these artists down the little baby derived from T.Pain. Explain. I think pain making,

he, of course, was not the first person. He was autotune, but making autotune so popular amongst that time and in the genre specifically of rap and R&B, turning the auto tune all the way up, did bring in a lot of it, this is not about Baby, Little Baby, Yadi,

any of the artists that he mentioned, but just the idea of him saying, we already have these guys, why is everyone else trying to make this music? Right. Which on? He did make music in this era easier to make for the novice.

Baby is not a novice. Yadi's not a novice. Anyone he named there is not. But everyone else can now make music easier because the auto-tune sound and the electronic sound is so easy to fucking, all I need is my laptop and this mic.

And I can sound great. So it has every idiot that does not really care about music going out to make it. And eventually an idiot song is going to catch. It's going to happen. It's inevitable. And it's happened a million times. And we see the people that really care about music, people that use auto tune and don't. We see the difference.

So I can see Usher sitting back watching this clip going, fam, this is what I was talking about. Right. You may have ruined music. I have to be objective. Because I'd be a hypocrite to not take this point and go, well, all right, maybe they're is what Usher was saying. I disagree with Usher still, and I'm standing on that,

and I think it was corny. And I still stand with T-Pain. I'm a T-Pain stand. And I don't think he ruined music, and I don't think anything is wrong here. And I think every artisty name is amazing. I just, yeah, what did you expect? Like, music is the easiest

it's ever been to make right now. I'm not saying good music at all. Not good with you mean. And also, I don't think that's fair, too, because I think there's plenty of artists that are making innovative music right now. Like, you can't scream this when Tyler's album just came out and is selling what it's selling.

Can't say that when Cole should is selling when it's selling. If you want to talk about all the people chasing the sound, the current sound and chasing the babies of the world, that's going to have, it's inevitable. Yeah, whenever anything pops and anything like blows up, you're going to get a whole wave of, you know, kids trying to emulate that. Who didn't have a clothing brand in 2010? Yeah, yeah. Once pressing T-shirts became easier.

Right. Everyone had a T-shirt company. And then we saw who was good at it and who really wasn't. And it faded. Podcasting. Mixed. It's the same thing. It's the same thing.

And again, I do want to say, I think pain was kind of just being a little funny. I don't think he was being super serious in his tone. No, he wasn't shitting on the artist. He was naming. He was just saying, like, we already have them. Yeah. Like, stop trying to be them. Stop trying to sound like them.

Like, find your sound. Find who you are. Find your stories. Find your energy. And then you put that out into the world. for me a lot of the new shit that I had to realize is that when I'm listening because you know again I started listening to a lot of these these cats

with the same ears I grew up with like the ears that I was listening to Nas and Jay and Big and Bone Thugs and Dre and Snoop and it's like I can't try to listen to this generation with those ears because they're not saying the same things no they're not you know they're not creating it the same way like a lot of the new shit I noticed like the whole entire song sounds like a hook because there's so much melody

in rapping now. Where it's like the verse sounds like the hook. You know what I mean? So it's like, okay, I get what they doing. Like this is they bounce. This is they wave. This is how they write their bars like with melodies and now the verse is sound like the hook. Then when you get back to the hook, it's kind of like little remnants of the melody that was

in the verse. So it's like you just got to understand the way. this generation constructs their art. And that's all it is. And I tell that to a lot of, you know, cats my age. I'm like, y'all got to stop listening to these younger artists with these, you know, older generation ears. Like they're not saying the same things that Jay was saying, that Nause was saying that,

you know, they're not constructing these bars. It's not 16 in the hook no more. It's not, the songs are not even structured the same anymore. You know what I mean? Like sometimes now they come right in with a hook. Oh, of course. And then it's the, I'm like, oh, shit, that's the verse. Like, you know what I mean?

It's like, so I, it's like, with the streaming. You got to catch people's attention right away. I was looking at a blues album that came out. And we were looking at all the features. And I'm like, damn, like, okay, this is a lot of features. But I get it. With the streaming error, you have to collab. You have to get these artists that may have a bigger name, a bigger following.

Once they see their name, they're going to click on it. So you got to understand the way the game is being played now. It's different. It's no different thing. It's the primary artist hustle. Yeah. But it's no different than... Because Blue had what, John Legend on his intro?

Everybody. I don't know if John Legend is a primary artist and that. Primary artist for people that don't... On streaming, it's... You'll see sometimes it'll say the artist and then featuring in the title. Yes. Then other times it'll say the artist and the artist. Yes.

Primary artist means it's now on their page. Yeah, it's going through their Apple. Yeah. So when you click John Legends page, I don't know if he's primary artist. It's just an example. It would have that blue song right there. So all John Legends fans will go right to that song. So you're playing that fucking game.

And also it's interesting he brought up how artists are making songs now, rappers in particular. And so many R&B sessions a lot of time, if there's a beat playing or a riff or anything, R&B artists will just take a mic and just hum melodies and try to find their way through that and then put words to the melodies later.

They'll just find the melody through the whole thing and put words later. Rappers are doing that now too. It's not so much pen to pad or even going in and rapping the way Jay does or how a lot of rappers claim they used to once Jay said, I don't write shit down. They're literally doing the melodic thing

on rap records and then placing the words later. They're creating songs that are not in the same format, which is whatever. And Payne is allowed to say everything he wants to because he's an innovator and change music. I'm never mad at a sentiment though. I understand what he's saying. It's like, you know, you got to,

it's okay to be inspired because we're all inspired by those before us. And so you draw inspiration from, from artists and from athletes or whoever that you look up to. But I think more so what he's saying is you have to have some type of uniqueness to it though. Like you have to still insert yourself and who you really are into your artistry. It's okay to want to use some of the same color palettes as the baby and little baby when you're painting. But you can't, you know, try to mimic their stroke of the brush and you know what I mean?

Like you can't go all the way to head with it. You can use some of the same colors. But don't try to emulate exactly what the person did. And we can wrap this up. But I think you made a lot of interesting points that I just wanted to comment on. When you said you don't go into this new era with your old head ears, that's another thing that people, because to me, a lot of these dudes sound exactly the same. But I'm not invested in this sound the same way.

I know there's older people when I was growing up that would say to me that all the music I was listening to, all the guys sounded the same. And I'm like, you're fucking crazy. You don't sound the same. They just had a different era's ears. It's like, dog, I'm invested in this. I can tell where they sound different. Right.

To me, a lot of these young dudes sound the same. Yeah. But I'm not invested in that sound. And some of them are named almost the same. The name's almost the same. So I can see the younger kids being like, no, this song sounds drastically different than this song and me going, you're fucking nuts.

No, it doesn't. No, for sure. But that happened to me too. It's a cycle, bro. That shit happened to me too. It's a cycle. It comes back around. So we are now our parents when it comes to this music shit.

Yeah. You know what I mean? It's, you laugh at it. It's like, oh, shit, I understand. I just, I think with the internet, we can all find the music we like so easily. So like, I've been trying not to shit on stuff I don't like. It's like, fam, it's not made for me. Yeah, it's not.

Exactly. And that's why it's fine. It's like, it's not for me. I'll listen to a lot of these artists that come out. And I'm just like, okay, I won't go back to that. I won't be played that again. But I understand. I respect the fact that this generation has found their sound,

has found their niche and has carved their way in the culture. And listen, as long as they're doing something positive and they're making money for themselves and their families to live a better life, I'm not knocking it. Listen, I'm with it. But we can't go back to our era, at least. Styles.

Style's out of it's crazy. Styles. See, now we're talking, see, now it's a different appreciation. You know what I'm saying? It's something for all of us. That's true. You know what I mean? It's something for all of us.

of us. Stiles put out his, put out his album. What is the name of it? Ghostin. Ghosting, listen to it over the weekend. He got some joints on here,

man. Stiles is still in shape. Consistency, I'm putting styles in top seven or eight most consistent rappers of all time.

I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that. And you know what I love about Stiles? He's still, to what the fans said, the Vince, he's still going hard, but it's like,

I love the fact that the content has kind of like, you know what I mean? He's like, now I'm selling juice. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think that's flash. It's like, he's on the seymour. He's like,

yo, alkaline body. I'm never taking the vaccine. Like, he put those type of bars in it where it's still styles, but he's just showing you growth. Like, I'm on a different. The actual lyrics haven't changed as far as how top tier of them shit has been.

Right. Listen, man, when we, when we had, Styles of the Barclays for Palooza. He was in the green room and took out a blanket and kicked his shoes off and just laid on the blanket, chilling with his wife. Kicking it. Yeah.

Like, it was the most beautiful thing in the world to see. I loved watching that. The maturation of the ghost. Like he said, we're chilling it. So, hey, my people delayed styles. We're cool, man. We're chilling. No problem.

I got, I had my green juice today, all as well. I'm chilling. You know what I mean? Like, it's just dope to see older rappers grow old in the culture and still look good. Like, we was talking about, um, the verses. with Keith Sweat and Bobby And I was saying I keep sweat

Still looks You know what I mean Like he's in shape Yeah He doesn't look like he fell on hard times Like he still looks like I like when Artists that I grew up on

As I get older And obviously as they get older They're still like Oh they still look good though They don't look crazy They're not out here looking like You know like they're doing bad I like that

And styles is one of those artists That especially coming from rap In the late 90s, early 2000, you would have never thought that this is the styles that we would have. But that's what's so great about it. Exactly. Exactly. And, I mean, hip hop, of course, is still a young man's game.

Whether you like it or not. It's just great to see those type of artists specifically aging so well, aging gracefully, being great examples for how to age in hip hop, how to continue to make money in hip hop, how to still work at that age where it's like, hey, am I too old to put music out? And no, you're not. There's still a whole fan base of people that grew up with. you. Like we're all old over here too. Right. I love it. Shots, styles. I think that's a good segue. Love his project. Um, yeah, the versus. Not the one we thought was going to be announced, but maybe the greatest versus announcement of all time. This is up there. This is, this is, this is definitely one of me. Yeah, no, no, no. I think to, I think to, I think to most people from our culture, though.

I'm well aware of all the announcements. I'm well aware you guys are going to kill me. Yeah, To me. To me. This is definitely one of the ones because, you know what? I don't think that we saw this one coming. No, not at all. This was like blindsided. This came out of nowhere.

I just looked up and I was like the locks versus dipset. And I just didn't think anyone would ever want to play with Kiss after they watched Kiss on versus. Right. Then you add in Shekin styles and it's like, all right, I don't know if I want to play with them. When we sat down with Jim, did he allude to this? No. We talked G-Unit versus Dipset. He didn't say the locks.

I don't think so. Okay. But we were talking about G-Unit in. Okay. In Diff's that. Or when he called in, I don't know if it was when he called in or sat with us. Yeah, this one is at Madison Square Garden.

Yeah, this is this. Listen, man, this is either going to be a beautiful night or it's going to boost the crime rate in the city, man. Listen, it's going to go one or two ways. I'm hoping it's a beautiful night. I think it's going to be super peaceful. And I think that's what's, again, talking about styles and how he's aging. in hip hop and our gracefully's age. I think it's going to be such a beautiful night.

No, I'm hoping for a beautiful night. And listen, you know, I'm not, I love our culture. I love, but, you know, some things come with our culture, man. And if you start playing certain records in the spot, it's just that energy is just like, yo, listen, homie right here, I'll pop on this nigga. Like, I don't know him. He didn't do anything.

But while I was on, you know what I'm saying? So it's kind of like, you know what I mean? It's just a certain. And if it looked like you leaning more towards dipset and I'm leaning more toward the locks and we're right here, it could go down. You know what I'm saying?

Like I'm going to start rapping my kiss bars at you. You're going to start wrapping your can bars at me. And it's like, yo, but I'll punch you in your face though. Like let's just keep it.

Let's keep that energy right there. Like, you know, you still get punched in your mouth in here. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, all jokes aside, this is,

this is beautiful, man. I love it. Um, I was kind of falling off the versus thing. Now that, you know, everything is back open. Yeah.

But I like this. I've been rushing to them the same way I was before. Yeah, but I like this because Madison Square Garden, first and foremost, I don't know if it's open to the general, I don't know how they're doing this yet. I would hope it would be. Yeah, I haven't, I haven't asked any of these type of questions, but if it's open to the general public, I think this is going to be sold out. Yeah. And I just like the fact that it's a versus thing, which means now people that are not in the New York area still get the experience and see this. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's a lot of things where I'm just like,

this is a win for rap, hip hop culture, New York rap culture, for the locks, for the diplomats. All that shit is fun. Who you got, man? Damn, I ain't think you was going to go there.

Who you got? Okay, it's a win for everyone. We love the locks. We love dipset. They're staples in our lives forever. I don't know. All the love. Who do you have?

Okay. Let me just ask us one question before I answer that question. Are they only playing their grand? group records or are they playing solo records from members of the group? So I have two copouts. My first cop out was, what are the rules? Yeah, I need to know that.

I don't know what the rules are. Yeah, before I can answer that, I need to know because if you're allowing Jim to play solo records and you're allowing, you know, kiss and styles and all them and can't, if they're playing solo records, it might be hard to beat dips, the diplomats. So to that point, I had said when we were talking to Jimmy about Jim, G unit in Dipset. I was like to see where, all right, first five records are Cam versus 50.

Then Jim, like, if you did solo records for the first five, then group records for the first five. And then, like, if there's a way to like do a structure, that could be really cool. All right, then it's just group records to end. Yes. That could be really dope.

I don't know if that's what they're going to do. But if it's all crew records, I got to go with the locks. Here's my second cop-out. I think there's going to be a New York score. And then I think there's going to be a worldwide score. I don't think you're beating the locks in a worldwide

world wide. You think the locks win. And that's no, and by the way, Diff said is worldwide, don't get it fucking twisted. Oh no, for sure. I'm just saying, like, I'm just saying like, like, I just think with some of the locks shit

because they were in that bad boy era in that machine and of course the music that they made, a lot of their bigger records of the stuff that they're on went crazy. We saw that in Kisses battle against FAP. It was like, how could you even compete against?

This is a fucking staple in every country in the fucking world type shit. Dipset, of course, is worldwide. Don't get that twisted. But New York, that shit just hits a little different compared to, I think, some of the Lox bigger songs. Lox definitely has the New York records. I'm not saying that.

I'm opposite with you on this, though. I think that if it's, I think the New York score. Maybe that's our age difference. Yeah, I think the Lox wins with the New York score. Really? I think, I think globally diplomats might be a, bigger brand and more, you know, more people know them globally than the locks, maybe? I think they're records. I'm not saying they're brands. I think dip set, I think people that

don't even listen to. Well, if you know the brand, you got to know. I think people, I think people that wear dipset stuff may only know one song or two songs. I think it's become so trendy because they're so cool to just wear, like, almost to the way people like nerds wear J. Dilla shirts. And I'm like, do you guys, do you even listen to J. Dilla has just been cool to wear it? Right. Dipset has surpassed. music so much that it's just dipset is that they do so yeah locks I think when music has

done that with records all about the benjamins and shit like that and I think this is probably our age difference here when I'm saying dipset with the New York records because I was finally started going outside when dipset really hit yeah when locks was doing just the New York records I wasn't in the tunnel

I mean granted I know I wasn't in the tunnel either I was I was young I wasn't in the tunnel either but I just it was a certain it's just a certain it's a certain love that if you're from New York City and I'll say if you was in high school

if you were in high school when the locks came out because to me when you're in high school you're traveling getting on the train the subway the bus finally starting to find your friends in different neighborhoods

going to their houses on the weekend so you're kind of like moving around the city a little bit and just that energy when we know when the locks came out if you went high school around that time it's a different connection that you have to that. And that's why I say our age difference.

Dipset hit like Dipset really hit. That was your high school. Of course, Cam and Jim was already doing shit. But high school was when it was the diplomat. That was it. Yeah. Like period. No, I get it.

I definitely understand. But either way, man, I, you know, I'm, I just love this. And the fact that they're doing it at the garden, which means they're going to be on stage and it's going to be. I think this is dope. I thought about going. Like, I'm like, I got to get in the MSG that night.

I'm going. But a thousand percent going. I don't know if, because you kind of enjoy the records more when you're watching it. Like if you're not there. I disagree. For this money, I got to be there. Yeah, I thought about it.

I thought about it. But if I'm just giving you an answer to who I got right now, not knowing anything, the rules, whatever, whatever, I got the locks in seven games, man. Okay. Locks in seven. It's funny. I agree with you, but just to make this interesting,

I may be able to argue that it's hard to beat the Benjamins, bro. It's impossible. You know what I'm saying? There's not a better. There's not a better song. It's not even fair. When you play that and then it's like we got other shit that we could. And Jim and Cam and Juel's, they got some fucking anthems.

Don't get it twisted. It all comes about to what we'll say. It's how you play your cards. It's how, it's when you play what. Yeah. It's when you play what. But at this point, it don't even matter. Just let the locks in the dick.

Every crazy dip set song that I'm thinking of, I could think of a locks song or someone in the locks that could retort that record. Exactly. That's why this night- And vice versa, except for the Benjamin's. I don't think there's a song that could go against the Benjamin's. No, no, the Benjamins is a win whenever you play it, whoever you play it against. I think is Benjamin's and Juicy, the one-a and one-B of the greatest rap songs ever. Yeah, for sure.

So. For sure. But it's going to be dope, man. This is, because like I said, this came. I didn't know anything. I didn't even hear anything about this. And I looked up and it was like announced. I was like, what the fuck is going on?

I thought it was a Twitter joke. Yeah, me too. Then I've seen at Madison Square Guard and I was like, no, this is not. That's when I really thought it was a picture. Yeah, I'm like, this is not a real. It's not a real. It's happening and I'm excited for it. Listen, I'm going to buy.

Yeah, locks and seven. If we can, I'm going to buy my ticket and go sit in a nice seat, a distance. I'm on nosebleeds. No, I want to be no way near. I just want to watch. I want to be next to Messier's jersey, like in the stands. Put me right under Messier's jersey. Put me under the nice.

1973, next championship. Put me way up there in the back and, you know what I mean? Let me smoke my bud. Yeah, just let me chill, man. I don't want no part to that. But yeah, I do think I want to be in a building for that, though. Just far away. Yeah, just far in the corner to build them.

Candice Parker's on the cover of 2K. Congrats to Candice. One of the greatest female athletes of our time. Are they adding like a WMBA feature to 2K or? Game mode? I'm not, I'm not a video game guy. Yeah, I haven't played. I have fallen off the 2K wagon for years.

I have not played 2K. It got too weird. It got too technical. Like, I started missing wide open layups one year. I was just like, yo, what the fuck is going on? Like I'm by myself at the rim and I'm missing layups. It was just like, all right. And then my homeboys like, yo, you know, if you tap it too soon, I'm just like,

all right, when they start doing that, I'm checked out. I went through the same struggle. Because I bought an Xbox and don't kill me PS7 people Because I announced that during quarantine I was like hey just bought an Xbox It's been a while since I played video games Murdered me Yeah

Mind you I was a PlayStation kid growing up I just bought a Xbox because I thought that's what everyone was on Yeah I bought 2K and I couldn't do And I was like all right At least Madden is still the same Yeah Yeah yeah

I was bawling and Madden Yeah yeah I couldn't do a thing On 2K rookie Yeah I was like how do you even dribble in this fucking game It's two games that I play years ago that made me completely

stopped playing because I just felt like a piece of shit and I just didn't know what I was doing. It was 2K and FIFA. Now, if you ever played FIFA... I have. I used to be nice. You have to work really hard to get near the goal and get a clear shot. The thing with me is, I would get near

the goal. Yeah. But I would kick that shit all the way in the fucking stands and I'm just like, all right, fam. Like, how do I kick this ball into the fucking goal? Sometimes that's a metaphor for life, Maul. It is a metaphor for life. You have got to understand. No, you're absolutely right. But yes, so I stopped playing because these games just got too technical.

I guess the getting the cover is still a big deal if you're an athlete because it is the cover of one of the more popular games in the world. Great cover, too. Shout out to Katie. I've seen he's on one of the covers. They have a version with Katie on it. Luca, who I think is going to be the face of international basketball for a lot of years. Because he's white? Well, no, he's one of the greatest international players ever, Rory.

That's why. Yeah, but I'm not playing this shit, man. I fell off the 2K bandwagon years ago. I can't play it no more. It's too technical. I missed a wide-open layup with somebody who fucking dunks everything at the rim at that. Listen, man, I come from the NBA Live era when Jordan was player number 99. So this ain't just ain't for me no more.

Yeah, this ain't just ain't for me. But the cover looks cool. Looks like a cool piece of art. I come from the NBA live era when you had to sub in Kobe. Oh my God. You haven't played. That was years ago. It was NBA Live 98 maybe?

Yeah, that was, yeah. 97? Subbing in Kobe. That just sounds great. I swear to God. Vividly remember that. Pierre Moss, fashion show looked crazy. That just looked beautiful.

Just shout out to that entire event. At Madam C.J. Walker's estate. Yeah, I just knew it was upstate. That's all I knew. It was at Madam C.J. Walker's estate, I believe, which is historical. And it's full circle. It shows how far we've come, how many barriers she helped to knock down for us

in fashion and beauty. And shout out to Piedmore. Shout out to Kirby. Yeah, for sure. No, that looked amazing. That was one of those, which I rarely have. The foam mower shit,

I was looking at that shit like, damn. That would be something. I would really go to that. It was dope. That looked really dope. Cribs is coming back on MTV. How do we feel about that? Let's just leave that there to Fester.

Is this, do you, do you smell a rollout? Is this part of the rollouts? It, it may be, I just think cribs are a little different now because of the internet. Yeah, they show us their cribs every day on Instagram. Yeah, and we, we can easily know who's lying when we didn't know before. Yeah. Like, yeah. Like, I remember watching J-Rul on MTV Cribs, not even knowing how to navigate the house.

I mean, listen, man, what you want? You know what I said? Like, I just got here. Like, he had no idea where he was. Yeah, I just got here. What you want me to do? Like, yeah, I'm in Miami, I guess. Yeah, like, I don't know what this door does or where it leads to, but I'm here.

You was probably, I hope was at this in the Scribs. I was not there. I know, I heard you about to get your joke off. I was not there. It was nowhere near that house. It was nowhere near Miami. I don't know why you always think I'm joking. I should assume you'd be there.

No, I wasn't there, Rory. No, definitely not. Have you watched Dave on FX, season two? Six episodes in? I didn't see I watched the first two episodes One of my favorite shows Man

No it's fucking phenomenal This is one of my favorite shows I started following him on Instagram I didn't even know he had Instagram I don't know if I'm that invested In Little Dicky No I'm not invested I'm not invested

I'm not invested I'm paul I mean if you're pausing me for me packing I'm pausing you for being invested in Little Dickie But Yeah that was nasty That was disgusting And I think I tripled on the

I'm invested right I said it three times You double I tried to give you a Way out too. Who am I becoming? Disgusting. Get a hold of yourself.

But no, the show is fucking great. I'm never going to, well, yes, I am the guy that says you can, it's hard to top your first album. Season one was incredible. Yeah. Season two is good so far. It's definitely. The one thing I do notice is to my expectations.

The budget is definitely bigger. Oh, for sure. For season, like the budget, I'm like, okay. You can see where the money went. For sure. But no, it's a phenomenal show. It's amazing writing. I can't speak enough on the Dave show.

It just makes me want Atlanta to come back to. Yeah. Atlanta was another show that I think not enough people paid attention to when they debuted. I don't think enough people paid attention to Atlanta. Was it the episode one of Dave when, and I don't want to spoil things, but it's been out for a minute. So fuck y'all. The K-pop episode was that episode one? On the first season?

No, second season. the Korean pop shit. Maybe it was the second episode. I think it was the second. Well, the K-pop artist, her stunt devil, jumps off the building. It may have been, no, it may have been the first. Part of me, and this is going to make me sound really sick,

I thought she did kill herself and I was like, oh, this is about to be the greatest season of all time. If on FX, people are offing themselves from buildings. I was mad when, that's how sick I am. When she hit the, we realized it was a pad. And that wasn't even her. I was like, oh, damn. I thought, I thought Dave was taking it there.

Look what you get upset about. No, Dave is not being that dark. I did like that, uh, Andrew Santino. Is that his last name? He's a really funny comedian. I like his stand-up. I like his podcast, too. Andrew Santino finally talked about the plight of redheads.

You guys just don't really understand, like, what that was like to grow up as a pale-skinned redhead kid. It was a bully. It was the fucking bull to the red thing. Yeah. But you know how it is. All you got to do is punch one bully in the nose one time. Oh, I mean. That ends everything.

That's what I'm trying to tell you young kids. I'm like to punch one kid in the face. My dad told me that a young age and I tried it and I still got beat up. But at least, but it's a different beat up though. Like they're not. Oh, for sure. Like now they're like, oh, he'll fight back. Yeah.

Like, nah, no, he'll fight back. Like, you got to really fuck him up. But I will say, I did always kind of like, I hated being a redhead growing up. up because like jokes aside that is like the number one let's go pick on him thing yeah in retrospect i kind of appreciate it now because that's the only thing they focused on like in those like roasting sessions of like it would just go right to the most stereotypical redhead jokes and like i was all right and kind of funny and could snap a little bit they only just went to like the really they never like really dissected me they didn't really break you down they just stayed at the redhead

shit. Like, it could have got nastier for me. See, that's interesting. So we, there are more similarities in our culture than as a red head growing up, they went to that. Yeah. As a black kid growing up, if something was missing, they went to that. It was just us. It was like, yo, you'd be stealing shit. Your mom's just broke. It's like, it always went to like

financial. Like, it's like fam. It's more to me than just like there's other things you could joke on. Like, you could stop talking about my financial troubles. But as you got older, that kind of separated the snappers from the, like, when they started getting into other shit.

Yeah, yeah. Like when they started dissecting your ankles, it was like, all right, fam. I can't wear ankle socks anymore. But that was a thing. Like, I tell people all the time, like, you, you learned how to dress from getting snapped on. To this day. You know what I'm saying?

Like, on my blog, it was literally like, everybody would be on, like, the far corner. Like, everybody would come from all the buildings and it would just stand on one corner. And so my building, when I used to come out to the building, I used to have to walk to the right to the corner. And literally, I'm talking about. talking about from the time you lock eyes with the homies on the corner, you could tell if your fit was trash or not. Because if niggas just fall out and start laughing and I'm the only one walking towards the corner. Especially if you're walking with confidence. That's the worst. You're like, yo, come on.

I thought this was it, fellas. And then they just kill you for it. And then you can't go change because it makes it worse. Or when you try to avoid, because you know how you look and you try to avoid where you know people are going to be. Exactly. You still run into them. And then they go run to where everyone is to let everyone know how they saw you. Oh my God. And nothing is worse than walking. up to your friends while they're laughing about your outfit and you trying to give them dapp and say what's up like everyone's on the floor laughing they don't want to shake your hand right now they don't want to give you that what are you wearing i'm like fam i got on the new jays these are new none of y'all have these yeah but maybe i didn't go all the way with the lay like i

should have because that was the thing as long as you had the the current sneakers on but you could have one we wore gap jeans that was the jeans when i was you know in high school tom here there would be dudes that would have the new jordan's but they would lace them too fucking tight and the edges would touch. You lay in with some corduroy. It was just like, I don't care that you have to new shoes. That's how you learned sauce, though. That's how you had to learn.

You had to get snapped on. You had to, your friends had to laugh at you and tell you look ridiculous. And then you learn next time when you put your outfit out on the bed. Like, nah, they're going to laugh at this one. And, but also that's when, like, they really found out if you came from a poor family. Because you would come with, like, the new sneakers, week one of, like, school. And then, like, Christmas would come around. You were still wearing the same.

Yeah, it's like, oh, you didn't get the, oh, oh, you didn't get the. So even if you got the compliment Like on the first day of school They were still watching You to see how consistent you were Yeah you got to be consistent Like that's how sick Teenage boys are

Like they will sit and wait On the roast for six They'll be patient Absolutely That's part of being a great He looked All right that's cool now I'll give him his problem now

Let me see Six months Let me see if you're gonna be consistent though But that was part of it Like those are the things to me That made you who you are Like those are important times And growing up

you had to get snapped on by your friends. It was part of growing up, man. And it started to let you know what you're comfortable with. Like, Finn, you think I'm wearing striped gray pants right now? Right. That didn't come from me getting roasted. Exactly. I'm confident in wearing these.

You know what I could do with them. You have to. Only because I've been killed forever. Exactly. Like, I know who I am now. I know how to pull shit off. But now I don't even know if kids really go through that anymore now. Because all these young cats are wearing Balenciaga.

Like, these nigs me win $800 jeans. I don't feel for the kids. I feel for their parents. Shit, the parents are something. They're getting it from somewhere. The sneakers I wanted, granted, were expensive for my mom, but I was never asked for no designer shit. But sneakers weren't even as expensive back when I was in high school.

Yeah. Like, Jordans was maybe the most expensive at like $100. I was about to say, like 110 maybe. Yeah, like maybe at that. And that was like, you know, this is it. You know what I'm saying? You can get everything else, but you get one pair of ease. But, you know, I don't know.

These cats now, they went. wearing $800 Chanel sneakers to school. Yeah, and they're roasted each other online, so it don't count to me. Yeah, no. It just doesn't. It doesn't. Because you don't even know how far that could go to, like, a- And you got to hear the joke.

You can't read the joke. You got to hear it. There has to be delivery. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I miss delivery. BMF show, executive produced by 50, September 26th on Stars. Okay.

Trailer looked crazy. Look like it was shot. Like, for real, for real. real. This is the BMF one? Okay. BMF show. Yeah. It's got like it looks like the same, they use the same lenses as Snowfall.

Like, the shit is shot really well. It looks like a movie. Exactly. I'm really excited for this. 50 hasn't missed on stars. 50 hasn't missed with a show in a really long time. He's dominating the television game right now. And I like it because, you know, it's an

extension of storytelling through hip hop through rap and he's just taking stories that are important to our culture and just, you know, putting them on the screen so that people can receive it in a different way. What's, um, has there been a latest on, uh, on Meech's status? I haven't heard anything in a long time. No, but he should be coming home soon.

I thought so. Yeah, he should be, he should be coming home soon because he's been, he's been away for a lot of years. So, in a way, 20 years? I think he got somewhere around that. Can you look up Meach's what Meech's

sentence was? Because I feel like he should be coming out coming home soon. Let's quickly look at this. All right.

He got 30. Oh, May 2020, Big Meach asked to leave federal prison 11 years early. He was rejected appealed the decision

and was again rejected the brothers were both arrested in 2005. 2008 both were sentenced to 30 years in federal prison. Okay.

30 years in 2008. Yeah, that's a... He's close to have done. I mean, if he has more appeal, We'll see.

Because I know there was some weird Fugazi shit in that trial where they kind of had a real reason to appeal on what was going on. Nonetheless, a legend of our culture, you know, one of the biggest figures in our culture. And again, shout out the 50 for putting this story together and putting it on the screen so people can see it. Yeah, and I think, again, I want to put out false facts, but I was under the impression that Meech's son was heavily involved with 50 and putting this together which I respect that.

I love that. I respect that. I remember them talking early when 50 was pitching this to stars and that entire thing. I don't know what the status is now, but I know early that Meech's son was involved.

So I think that's great that his family can be part of, you know, a situation that did turn out a bit tragic. So, yeah, but that's all I got. You got anything else? No. Man, no, I don't have anything else.

No. Oh, sports. Cash dolls in it, as she should be, Detroit Story. Dope. I didn't see. I didn't know that. Okay. You should have.

Should have. You're right. She ain't even called me. She ain't even called me to tell me she was shooting this. I mean, NDAs. You know how those go? Can't even tell them like, nah. I can't even tell them what I'm doing.

I'm not, no, I'm not doing that. They're tracking the eye message. Um, something else. You were saying sports. Series tied two to two as we're recording this. Oh, yeah, man. That changed a bit. Yeah, I'm a little, I'm a little scared now, man.

Me too. For Chris Paul, man. It's going to break my heart of Chris. Don't get it this shit, man. It's going to break my heart. I'm rooting for them. I think they're still going to win it. I think Milwaukee did what they were supposed to do.

They went home and they protected home court and they won both games. but the ref and I don't like to I'm not one of those guys that watch sports and blames the refs but the refs do have a significant amount of influence on the game and the refs just need to be more consistent that's all I'm not going to nitpick and say

but game four down this you know the towards end of the game it just was a little too inconsistent for me with the calls um they missed a lot of calls the out of bounds off of Devin Booker when it wasn't even out of bounds

for him. But then they gave it back because they could have called him for a six file and they didn't. But it's just like those things to me you know,

it goes, it just sways the game in a different way, man. And I get it. They're on the court, they have to call things in real time as it's happening that's not easy to do.

But I mean, you got to, we got to do something. It has to be a little more consistent. But I think it's a great finals. I'm not mad. I did have the sons in four. But looking at the series now, I'm not mad at seeing seven games of this.

Yeah, I was going to say, I'm not a close, this exciting. I'm not mad at it. I think it's a lot of good players on the floor. It's fun basketball. I'm not mad at it. I still have the sons winning, though. I think Chris Paul and Devin Booker just, they might be a little too much in the seven game series. You think sons in seven?

If it goes seven, yeah, sons in seven. Okay. Yeah. I still got the son. I think it'll go seven. Yeah, I still got the sun's one. And game seven would be in Phoenix. Yeah.

Off these last two games, I can't really see one of these team went into in a row right now. Yeah, it was again, man. The Sun's just, you know, I think they, when they won those first two games, I think they may have felt like Milwaukee was just going to lay down and just give up. I mean, just kind of like we down 2-0 and whatever. But I think, I think Phoenix, I think they have enough to figure this shit out. going back home getting a winning game five. All right.

Any Knicks insider information? We get a point card. Like, can you give us a fan? I don't know, man. I haven't spoken to Julius and not like he would tell me. Not like I would ask. I wouldn't even ask what they're doing. But no, I don't know, man.

I don't know what the Knicks are going to do. They do need a point guard. They do need a point guard. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what the Knicks are going to do. Get in the front office, man. They need me in the front office,

I'm just saying, go to the front office. Just go to the front of the office. Just go stand in front of the office and start yelling shit. You. We need a point guard. You need a point guard in this fucking building. Yeah. I'm walking around.

I don't see a point anywhere. Yeah, man. I don't know. The Knicks, hopefully they get one though because they got exposed in that series. I feel like they should have beat Atlanta. I still do. Well, I think a lot of people didn't realize Atlanta was for real the way they

was for real in this playoff series. I knew Atlanta was for real. But I, you know, I just felt like the Knicks just, they played so much better in a regular season. And, you know, Tray Young was just, again, they got exposed at the point guard spot. They was asking D. Rose a little bit too much to do and carry too much of the low.

Julius didn't play, you know, as well as he could have. But they'll be back. They'll be back next year. I think the Knicks are going to be a consistent playoff team. Yeah. I hear that. Well, you got planning for, oh, Atlanta? I'll be in Atlanta right now.

I think I'm going to meet you in L.A. Yeah, we should do something in L.A. I think we can get some shit done in L.A. I'll be hiding in Atlanta. It's too wild out there for me. Atlanta? Yeah, I'll be. I love Atlanta.

I love Atlanta, too. Yeah. I just know when I'm out there alone, it's probably better to just go to the studio and go to the hotel. Just work. I'm not going to leave. It's to eat. Right back to work, man. So I'll be laying low.

I'll be at J.R. Crickets, maybe take out. Mm-hmm. So. Yeah, I'm going to meet you in L.A. We get some work done, man. Enjoy some good weather. I don't know. Maybe hit a few parties.

You shall see. You got your good cut. You got to go out when you got the good cut. I got. And knock on wood. I don't feel sick. And last time we're in L.A., I was. I think physically dying.

Yeah. So maybe I actually go outside this time. This is your rematch. This is here. You get to get to fight LA again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And hopefully I don't. McGregor my ankle. Right. But I think that's, that's, I'm sorry. It's my Irish brethren. How does it feel about that?

Uh, I think he might be done, man. I think he thinks he might be done prior to this fight to. I think, I think he's done. I think McGregor, uh, I think he, with that, that injury. one. I don't think that his his main focus is fighting anymore. I don't think it has been for a little while now. Yeah, I think

that fire, that fire that he had climbing, you know, to success, I think, you know, once you attain it, it's hard to keep that same hunger because now you've reached your goals. I mean, of course you can keep setting goals, but just looking at McGregor the last few fights, he doesn't look like he's

all the way there. Yeah. It looked like he's kind of like he expects to just walk in the ring and that Cats are just going to lay down, but that's not, he has a target. They don't like them. Fighters are running backs. Like, to see a fighter have longevity is a rare fucking thing, though. Like, even the greatest.

You got a couple years in you. Yeah, no, for sure. It's too violent. For sure. Running backs, greatest running backs, like, they don't have the longest seat. It's the most violent fucking position. Like, you're just grabbing a ball and running into larger dues. boxing,

MMA, you're just getting your fucking head kicked in. How long can you really do it? Yeah, it might be over for Connor, but he's a legend. Oh,

without a doubt, he's a legend. So, but that was, that was, that was, he was losing that fight before the injury.

He was getting his ass kick. So it's not even, I'm not even looking, thinking about the injury. Just looking at the fight before the injury, it was just like, he's just not there.

He's not there. So I think it might be time for him to hang it up and just get into the promotion. Or go fight one of the Paul brothers. Why not? It's a bag. Dog.

If we're talking about, listen, and you know I'm more of a boxing fan than I am, any type of mixed martial arts, if the Paul brothers step into an MMA ring, that is going to be the bloodiest. No, no, no, no, no. If somebody could fucking flying eatham.

No, you can't step into that. You can't fake MMA. No, McGregor would be stepping in. You could fake boxing. Yeah, McGregor would be stepping into a boxing ring. No, they would never be stepping into a... I thought you was talking. No, fuck, no, no. The Paul brothers know not that. They know not to do that.

I would hope so. No, that's a whole different thing. No, no, no, no. That's why I never believe that Mayweather was going to go into the MMA shit. No, Braden. Mayweather, greatest fighter, I could argue at all time. He knows not to go. You don't play with that. That's like getting a tattoo when you're 40. Like, don't go into...

Don't do that. Just don't do it. Certain things you just should not do. You should not play around with the UFC. ring don't do that yeah i'd be in the boxing gym watching the mixed martial arts guys it's just different it's different it's different it's different leave those guys alone like i have my shoes on yeah they don't my shoes are on yeah no no no they just different it's leave that shit alone you cannot fuck around with ufc that mhm a shit leave that shit alone do you're at the dojo

and somebody take their shoes off just ain't your time man you know i'm thinking it's a sign of respect don't you so ain't you supposed to take your shoes off at the dojo At World Boxing, Jim, it's a little different if you have your shoes off. Yeah, no, first of all, any man takes his shoes off before he fights you. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Let me take my, you're not fighting a dude that's barefoot. Never.

No. No. But that's, we should table that. I like that we keep tabling conversations getting back to them. You have to see? We got to get into just the mixed martial art guy at the bar. You shouldn't get into the mixed martial martial. Leave him alone.

You don't really know him. You don't know him. It is, Chico. They never lie. No, just I don't fight anymore. That's the thing. I just don't know who is who. Yeah, me neither.

See, I pay for dinners. Like, listen, it's different. You can tell, like, how someone walks sometimes or their mannerisms that they have a gun. Yeah. I can still see that. I still have that. Yeah.

I don't know who does M.M.A. anymore. It's impossible to spot them out. The cauliflower is usually give it away, but sometimes they don't have that and still know that type of shit. Just show love to everybody. Yeah.

It's love. Love and respect. What you drinking? Yeah. See? There you go. Love and respect, man. All right, man.

Cool episode. We'll see y'all next week. Actually, we have some cool shit dropping next week. Yeah. We have some guest-based things dropping next week that I'm excited to put out. Some more sketch shit coming out. I don't even need to, I don't even want to do the surprise shit anymore because we want to stay consistent with this, try to keep ourselves honest. We're working, man.

We got some constantly put out some different type of shit. The response was great. You did a great job. Thank you, man. You did as well. Yeah, we got, we don't want to give away too much, but we got more shit coming. And I'm starting to really, really tap into the sick individual I am with writing. As you should.

Like, I'm discovering new things about myself that terrify me. All right, see, I don't even want to know where you're going with it. But the one skit that we're working on now is going to be hilarious. I started writing some of that shit as well. Super funny. But yeah, I just realized that when no one understood that the first two jokes in the, that sketch one was about hilarious people jumping off

jumping onto the tracks to kill themselves and then the second one blaming 9-11 on gentrification I was like all right maybe I should keep some of the six shit to myself it was gold it was comedy gold I loved it but yeah I think we have another another crew coming in so we'll hollered the people next week be safe

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