Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - Batman 1989 (w/ Taran Killam)

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

Lauren and Nicole’s Batman journey continues with very special guest Taran Killam (Spamalot, Hamilton, SNL, Single Parents, River Wild) explaining the cultural impact that is 1989’s Batman starring Michael Keaton. All questions, including whether or not Bruce Wayne has ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight, will be answered.Next week's movie: Batman Returns (1992). Follow Taran: Instagram, TwitterLike the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod!Follow the podcast on Letterboxd.Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Original. Across this nation, the words Gotham City are synonymous with pride. Our streets are overrun, our public officials are helpless. What are you? I'm Batman. I'm reading your stuff. I'm Vicki Vale. Vicki Vale, yeah, yeah, photographer.

What brings you here? I'm here to see some of the wildlife. God, I'm sick of it. Yeah. Who are you? Oh, sorry, Bruce Wayne. And what do you do for a living? My life is really complex. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Freak. Wait till they get a load of me. This town needs an enema. A lot of people think you're as dangerous as the Joker. Fuck you. I think your friend Wayne is really screwed up. His parents were murdered in that hell. I have given a name to my pain. Batman.

He's out there right now. I've gotta go to work. If you gotta go, go with the slob. Go with the smoke! You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight? 🎵 Batman! Wow. I'm Nicole Byer. And I'm Lauren Lapkus.

And this season we are covering the Batman movies. Yes, this is the second episode of the sixth season. We're working our way through these movies within the Batman universe with the help of fellow newcomer superfans and sometimes people who have contributed to the universe. And this season is going to be 14 episodes culminating in a very exciting live stream episode where anything can happen and it's live. We're going to cover as much as we can get to to overview, you know, the franchise. We're not going to get to everything. No. Too much. Yeah, there's just too much. It's too dense.

But today we are going to be discussing the 1989 Batman starring Michael Keaton. Mm-hmm. Batman is available with a subscription to Max, Hulu, Prime Video. But if you want to give somebody money, Apple TV+, Google Play, and Vodoo, and we're going to spoil the shit out of this. But we are so excited for our guest today. Our guest is an actor, comedian, writer, producer, director, and singer. You've probably seen him on SNL, How I Met Your Mother, New Girl, or maybe even in the Broadway production

of Hamilton. It's Taryn Killam. Hi, my friends. Hi, hi, hi. Oh my gosh. such a newcomers fan so honored to be on this the most important season of your lives it does feel really important yes because people seem to really love batman i think they do i i wait i need to talk about hamilton yes that's what i want to talk about was that the most amazing i feel like that was the most perfect role for you in the world so fucking good yeah i think yes it was i felt like a contest winner um it was at that point you know everybody's favorite thing in the world like this is this is a true story on the six years i was on snl the total request for tickets for that show was fewer in those six years than the three months i did hamilton does that make sense? Meaning that people crawling out of the woodwork

like everybody trying to get Hamilton tickets. And a lot of people try to get us, you know, like one or two but this was overwhelming to the point of like delete, you know, blocking emails. It was, people loved it and I

love doing it and that passion that passion for the show certainly informed like my experience in terms of like the pressure the stress of just like you know pull your weight dude yeah and it was truly one of the most rewarding and and thrilling professional experiences of my life. Second, only maybe to this. Yeah. Well, obviously this is important. This podcast is important.

This is, well, yes, this, this movie that we're about to talk about for the very first time is, is, is truly the movie that made me want to do showbiz to me that makes sense i think like what i loved i loved all the characters and how i just i like tim burton style and everything

and i think watching this as a kid it gives you that feeling of like wow like adults get to have a really cool job like if you do this for a living it's so cool yes what i'm doing in the backyard as a seven-year-old child these people are doing like full throttle with a huge budget like making magic seem real that is funny because that's literally what we do what children do we play pretend and get paid money yeah it's insane it's wild when you think about acting sometimes it makes me like sick like when i think about like walking up to someone in the scene i mean like why would you do that and like we're all you know we're all like yeah like being like really intense you're like trying to get there and what can i do to get there and it's like oh no or like someone puts a fake nose on you and you're

like what yeah yeah what is this especially like after a take or after performance where like that was that was good you found it that's where I really self check and go like I found playing like I found playing a 78 year old man in an improv who doesn't know what bananas are hey that's a good scene

and it killed it slaughtered it slaughtered sides were split like a, I feel it more during. Sides were split. Like a peel. I feel it more during like a dramatic scene that I feel like I didn't nail. And then I'm like, well, that's really rough. I really tried to do that. I tried really hard and I don't know how to be serious. I don't think I got that.

I was earnest in that take. I was earnest in that attempt. That's hard. Very vulnerable right now. I did a voiceover where I played an elephant and they were like, can you give us like elephant effort noises? And it was like very early in my career. And I was like, yes.

And they're like, go for it. And I was like, I'm sorry, what noises do elephants make? And they're like, you know, like. Wait, I literally had this happen recently with being a chicken who's about to laugh it was supposed to be a chicken noise into laughter could not could not do it i don't know that's an insane request and i tried i tried to practice in the car and i was like i have to die now. Like this is not cool. Okay.

Well, tell us really quickly. What is your relationship with Batman? We can talk about acting all day, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Batman, like comic books, superhero stuff died in the wall. Like from first memories those were my important stories important characters but it was always very bright

and colorful in the comic books and that and this movie Batman 89 Burton Keaton's Batman like was the first time that made it feel real because there's been Superman movies right like there's been the Christopher Reeve Superman like and those are impressive

and great but there's something about Superman that's like too fantastic he's an alien and he can fly and he never gets hurt and it's it's such fantasy this movie was like not only is Batman a real dude with exceptional skill but he might actually

exist like he's no longer Adam West in pajamas he is a real man with a bulletproof black rubber suit and he will he will appear through fog on gotham city rooftops and and right wrongs and i like that i like that too i love it i love this movie i love it was fun going back and watching it because like it held up and there was there was stuff that like I didn't necessarily pick up on the first time you know I like every every every rewatch it reveals something new for me yeah I had seen it as a kid but then um this was my first time watching it as an adult I think and it was really I mean I just thought it was really fun and I was very engaged the whole time Nicole I don't know was not engaged for 82 percent of the time that's okay because this came out in 89 oh there we go

that's why no that's why I don't know it was just like kind of slow I didn't like Jack Nicholson too too much yeah uh yeah it was just so Taryn's having a hard time I know I'm really sorry I know what I signed up for I know what I signed up for I'm like I said I'm an avid listener the fast season in my opinion is flawless I'm a huge myself I thought I'd seen every single movie and truly the second movie I was like I've never seen this in my life yeah yeah I'd seen every single movie and truly the second movie. I was like, I've never seen this in my life. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen one and five.

Nobody needs to see that one. I feel like they're all the same thing. No, I'm sorry. Fair enough. No, they're distinct and important. I'm about to get beaten down right now. They're distinct and important and they're cinema. Yes.

Thank you, Taryn. I respect everything that's happening here. Eat it, Scorsese. Eat it. You could never, Scorsese. You could never fast or furious. He really couldn't. Scorsese.

I like how you're saying that. Scorsese. Scorsese wishes. Okay, well, let's take a quick break, and we're going to jump deep into this. Deep, deep, deep. Deep. Deep.

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It's risk-free with Nord's 30-day money-back guarantee. Link is in the episode description. We're back! Okay, so this movie was written by Sam Hamm. I'm honestly so happy for him. What a great name. And Warren Saccharin? It should be Warren Scorin, because it's like Sam Hamm and Warren Scorin.

Yeah, Warren really fucked that up. Yeah. Directed by Tim Burton, released June 19th, 1989. We're going to deep dive into this plot of this film and break it down for you guys. And we really want to thank the Batman fandom wiki for the help with the summary. We love you guys. We really want to thank the Batman fandom wiki for the help with a summary. We love you guys.

The movie opens in a crime ridden Gotham City where we see two muggers attack a couple and their son. Batman Michael Keaton watches from above, then finds the muggers and beats them up, instructing them to tell all their friends about him as he jumps off the building and disappears. That was pretty funny to me because I was like, that's how you're spreading the word about yourself. Just tell him. You tell two friends and you tell two friends. Don't rob anymore. There's a Batman. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like everyone knows about him.

I feel. They were talking about him before he got there. Right? They were like, it's the bat. They said the bat got him. And the only clarification that Batman does bring is that he's not the bat they said the bat got him and the only clarification that batman does bring is that he's not the bat he's batman not any old bat batman which might be slightly less scary now that i think about it if i'm really if i'm really criticizing huge bat

like if he was just terrified there's a giant mutant bat that can sense corrupt morality. No, that's scary. Because that's not going to listen to reason. No. This is a human being who's like, maybe I can defeat this man dressed as a bat. Yeah. Genetically modified gigantic bat? No.

No, thank you. How did it happen? Okay, meanwhile, we see that a new district attorney, Harvey Dent, played by Billy Dee Williams, has been sworn in in a big flashy ceremony. His mission is to clean up the city of crime, in particular to protect them from crime boss Carl Grissom. Jack Napier, played by Jack Nicholson, who's Grissom's hitman, watches the event on TV along with Alicia, Jerry Hall, who it turns out is in fact Grissom's mistress. Napier makes it clear he isn't afraid of either of them. Now, I'm watching this, and I really, it became clear how much I didn't know about

this, because I was like, I thought he was Joker. And then, I literally was like, when does his face get Joker? Wait, which one? Jack Nicholson. Like, we see him regular. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was also confused. I was like, why?

No, because then I was like, oh. They tip it when he's playing with his cards. He holds up the Joker. There's some decent foreshadowing there. No, no, like, I knew he still was Joker, but I was going, oh, when does he put on the makeup? Like, I didn't understand. It's an origin story.

We didn't know that there was going to be a backstory to him. Also, I was was like why does he watch tv with the tv on the floor who does that yeah that really i was like this is sick a joker yeah the real joke is a weird guy well i mean jack nicholson's like a connection to this film was fascinating because he got like the biggest payday ever because they gave him back end points. So he made something like

50 million dollars. He was like what Robert Downey Jr. is to Iron Man he was to this Batman franchise. Holy shit. He still sees

some sort of percentage from all future iterations of Joker. Oh my God. But that never happens. But they pressured Jack. They wanted Jack and he That never happens. But they pressured Jack. They wanted Jack and he kept saying no. So they offered it to Robin

Williams to get under Jack Nicholson's skin. Just to fuck with him. Just to fuck with him and then Jack came back and was like alright I'll do it. And Robin was like heartbroken. Oh that fucking sucks.

Isn't that brutal? That's so sad. That's so brutal. That's so shitty. The only equivalent I have in my life is like when I audition for something and I think I have a chance and then a celebrity gets it and I'm like, they never even wanted me. They didn't want me. Right. They didn't want me at all.

I was but a pawn. Yeah. Mine's sadder. It'll just be another fat black woman who looks pretty much like me, who's at the same level as me. And I go, I guess I wasn't good enough. Am I interchangeable? We're all getting rejected at some point. Alexander Knox, Robble Wool.

Rober. I think it's Robert. It's got to be Robert. It's got to be Robert. Okay, Batman fandom wiki. It's Arliss. Did you guys do a season on Arliss already? Did I miss that one? No, no, wait, wait.

You haven't done Newcomers Arliss yet? We need to do Newcomers Arliss. Wait, it's Robert, right? I've never seen. Robert Wool, yes. Arliss. It said a row. It says Robble, Robber, Robber Wool. Was this written by the Hamburglar? The Robber Wool. Oh my god, Robert Wool. A this written by the Hamburglar? The Robber Wool.

Oh my God, Robert Wool. A journalist who's trying to get answers about the supposed vigilante known as Batman meets photojournalist Vicki Vale, Kim Basinger, who is intrigued by the Batman mystery and is going to help him find out who this guy really is. They attend a benefit at Bruce Wayne's estate. They briefly meet Bruce Wayne, and he's soon pulled away by Alfred, who ushers him into the Batcave. There, Bruce watches a tape

of Commissioner Gordon talking to a police officer about a raid on Axis Chemicals. Okay, Kim Basinger, beautiful, also looks a lot like Jerry Hall. I found that a little confusing. For a hot second I said, these are different women.

Yeah. And then I was like, Nicole. I know. Two blondes can be in a movie. Barbie. Barbie, now the highest grossing picture of all time for Warner Brothers. Yeah. Yeah.

But are there even two blondes in Barbie? Listen, still haven't seen it. Okay. You got to get on that. I know. Everyone has seen it already. There's no one to go with. Why don't we do Newcomers Barbie?

We'll watch all those extended DVDs. That's fine. Like cartoons for kids. Barbie and the Magical Mermaid. Barbie Life in the Dreamhouse. You're familiar. Darren's very familiar.

I'll sign up. You're gonna be back. I have two daughters who are well-versed in the Barbie series. They're all those like computer movies where it looks like a computer

game oh yes yes yes and to be honest no i just know that tv show is called barbie life in the dream house it's pretty funny okay there's some good bits there's some good bits okay then our season will be good um after arliss yeah arliss i don't know what arliss i just looked it up actually because of this where i was like i know that guy i know he's onliss. I don't know what Arliss is. I just looked it up, actually, because of this, where I was like, I know that guy. I know he's on Arliss. I don't know what that means. And then I was like, I think he's a sports manager. It turns out he's a sports agent. Yes, he's an agent.

Yes. I don't know how I knew any of that. But yeah, that was a pretty long running show. It was on HBO? Yeah. Yes. So I do know something. Yeah, see?

Okay. show it was on hbo yeah yes so i do know something yeah see okay grissom orders jack napier and his men to go to access chemicals and destroy any evidence connecting their gang to the chemical company but when he gets there napier realizes they've been set up by grissom and he finds himself in a shootout with lieutenant eckhart a corrupt cop working for grissom commissioner gordon then interrupts eckhart's bust and tells the policemen to take Napier alive. Next, Batman appears and takes out Napier's men one by one. Napier kills Lieutenant Eckhart just before he can escape, but then gets into it with Batman, who blocks a bullet Napier fires at him with his glove. The bullet ricochets and rips through Napier's face, and though Batman tries to rescue him, Napier falls into a vat of chemicals and is dumped into the river.

Which is a real bummer and but batman it didn't seem like he was trying that hard to save him no no so when i when i showed this movie to my children uh with the preface of like this is a very important movie to dad so be gentle um my the quote of the night was from my younger daughter who was six at the time. And she said, you know what I like about Batman? He has no rush. And I thought that that was the most astute observation of this Batman in

particular, because to your point, he's not, he's not moving with speed or whatever, you know, but he is very elusive, but he is, he is a very straight posture. Yeah. Very, very, you know, but he is very elusive, but he is a very straight posture.

Yeah. Very, very, you know, very, keeping that cape close to his body. He's just, he's got no rush. So I think like, I want to say that it was a totally creative choice, but I do think the limited mobility really informed the way that Batman moves through the shadows.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Tough to move in that little rubber suit. I wonder if that affected the tone because it's like he's so stoic. Like if he was doing more goofy little moves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'd be a little more distracting.

I mean, not to get too far ahead of it, but like you'll work your way up to the Batman, which is the most recent Batman movie. And like, he's as mobile as all get out. He's just basically got elbow pads and knee pads but my problem with that movie is like one of the opening lines is they think I'm in the shadows but I am the shadow

and for the rest of the movie he just knocks on the front door of every building he walks into and it's like well it's not as sneaky and as cool as Keaton's Batman who appears and reappears because he has no rush. You can't knock on the door.

Yeah, you can't just knock on the door and say, hey, I'm a bat. Batman should knock on a door, unless it's Batman 66. So the following night, Bruce and Vicky have dinner in his mansion. This is wild. The night starts out a little formal and awkward. Then the two move downstairs to have dinner with Alfred

to get to know each other and eventually spend the night together. So they're having soup across the longest table. Across the longest table. And Batman doesn't seem to think this is weird. No. Well, it's not Batman. It's Bruce Wayne. I mean, Bruce doesn't think it's weird.

And at that point, I was like, is Bruce maybe? And this is not a knock to people on the spectrum. I'm spectrum-y. Is he on the spectrum? He did not take any, there was no weirdness to him at all that she was so far away. It was a date. It's clearly not getting romantic at that level. And they're eating soup, which I just think is kind of a weird choice.

But that feels like an appetizer. It feels like an amuse-bouche of sorts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know that that's the full meal, but he does say, she's like, you know, do you like this new room? And he goes, yeah. And he's like, I don't think I've ever been in here. And then later she says, you know, this house, it doesn't feel like you. And he says, some of it is very

much me. And he's alluding, you know, because who he is, he is Batman. And Bruce Wayne is the facade. okay i liked when they moved and they were sitting in the in the okay i like what you said i was like yeah that is that is nice a gentle surrender is no honestly that's that's most of what this podcast is yeah just us going, oh, okay. I'm happy for you.

I'm happy it makes you happy. No, I like that. But I liked when they moved into Alfred's quarters and they had their soup at his little table. It was cute. And then I was like, yeah, Alfred is more of family than a butler. And it's helpful to have a third wheel on a first date to kind of like have casual conversation yeah i always like to invite a friend on my dates i like to invite the oldest friend i have so napier in the meantime is not dead but horribly disfigured by the chemicals he's

fallen into leaving him with chalk white skin, bright green hair, and a permanent red grin. I loved the grin, personally. Yes. It was cool. The transformation has driven him completely insane. Calling himself the Joker, he kills Grissom and takes over his criminal empire. His first scheme is to spread terror in the city by creating hygiene products laced with a deadly chemical known as Smilex that kills its victims by hysterical laughter following the death of a

news anchor on air the city becomes paralyzed with fear i like that scene that was pretty funny but also scary i was like imagine being there and like being like oh my friend's having a good time telling the news they're like oh shit she's dead and the way when they're dead they have the smile yeah i like that the newscaster lady lady laughing in the middle of the broadcast. You don't really know what's going on. So great. Yeah. I know.

So great. And I also thought that was very creepy that they don't know how the thing is getting to everybody. How this smile acts is transmitted. I got to say, it is a very good villain move. Yeah. It was very sneaky. I thought that was a very fun

cameo type role to have as an actor. To be the person who just gets killed by the Joker. He just giggles. I could have done that. I could do that. Next, the Joker then sets up a trap at the Flugelheim Museum for Vicky. Nailed it. I shouldn't have said

nailed it to you. I'm sorry. It's okay. It's part of the zeitgeist. I don't mind it at all. Okay, keep it. Cross promotion. I'll keep it. So with whom

he's become smitten while his gang destroys all the art around them. The Joker then tries to disfigure Vicky by spraying her with acid which is so rude

but Vicky douses him with water and I don't think that's a thing to fight acid, but I'm not a scientist. Yeah. Just then, Batman crashes through the museum ceiling, grabs Vicky, and escapes with her.

Then he gives her the secret of the Joker's chemical combinations and asks her to take it to the press. The Joker, even more furious with Batman, vows to eliminate the mysterious vigilante for interfering with his plans. I mean, this scene was scary to me where she doesn't know what's going on and then he shows up.

I mean, I, and, and the sort of fear of like her face getting ruined, which I just didn't want to have. She's so pretty! Also his look when she throws the water and the pancake makeup's melting down is like terrifying. I thought it was really genius when he paints over it with like skin tone.

And I thought it was wiped off, but it was like that was actually the part that wipes off. And it's like the white. It was very clever. It was clever. When he was in the skin tone color, I was like, did we paint him slightly too dark? Danger. Danger. Danger. The prosthetics are also much creepier

when he is skin tone. A flesh tone. I didn't like that part. Later, upon Alfred's insistence, Bruce goes to Vicky's apartment to confess his secret identity as Batman. Now, why is he jumping into this? Before he can do

that the joker interrupts them barging in and admonishing vicky for taking off with batman when the joker spots bruce in the apartment he taunts him asking have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight and then shoots him the joker takes off but when vicky rushes to bruce's side she finds he's gone leaving only the silver platter that he had used to block the Joker's bullet. Tricky, tricky. How did that happen? Very tricky. And I feel like I'm just amazed by what he can withstand. Yes.

Also, I'm amazed by the fact that there is part of his face exposed. And I'm wondering if the head thing is bulletproof. I think any part that's made out of the suit has got some sort of bullet repellent aspect. But for sure, jaw is a weak spot. Mouth, jaw shots.

That's Batman's weakness. Everybody knows that. Kryptonite for Superman, mouth shots for Batman. The mayor of Gotham City comes on TV to regretfully report that Gotham City's 200th anniversary celebration has been postponed indefinitely. Just then, the Joker pirates the airwaves, telling viewers that he will personally oversee the celebration and give away $20 million in cash. Which is crazy. Who has that in cash?

Yeah, that's wild. Like, any person would advise you to put something in stock. Plus, he promises a confrontation with the real menace of Gotham City, Batman. Meanwhile, Knox tells Vicky about Bruce Wayne's parents, who were mugged and murdered right in front of him as a boy. He shows her a photo of Bruce as a child at the scene, and Vicky recognizes Bruce as Batman by the look on his face in the photo. Wild. She leaves to confront him at Wayne Manor. Wild. I've never looked at at Wayne Manor. Wild.

I've never looked at a child and been like, I know the adult that you grew up into. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's really... Especially, you just met this guy. Yes. It's like if I saw a picture of you, I might be like, yeah, that's probably Nicole.

But we know each other. We didn't just meet. Yeah. And if I saw you in a newspaper, I wouldn't assume it is you. That's not... She's not clocking that he's Batman, but she just sees the young child who's suffered trauma. And that's why she followed him to that mysterious alley. And now that makes sense. But I don't think that's where she's like, oh, this is the vigilante guy.

No, but she thinks it's Bruce Wayne. She's like, that's him. Yeah. Or you're saying oh wait but she's looking through the microfiche because it's it's from a it's from a news report it's a very famous okay so okay so thomas and martha wayne boy we're dumb no we're really great we're smart. Okay, Bruce watches the Joker's TV appearance while looking through the files of his parents' murder, which is, I don't know, kind of funny, as he replays the events of that night in his mind who remembers that one of the gunmen

repeated the Joker's line, have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? And he realizes that one of his parents' murderers was a young Jack Napier slash Joker. He's so engrossed in thought that he doesn't notice that Alfred has brought Vicky into the Batcave revealing Batman's identity as Bruce Wayne. They talk about what his job

as Batman means for their relationship but then Bruce tells her that the Joker is still out there so he's gotta clock in. He's gotta go to work. I feel like if two evil people said to me, have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight, I would connect the dots

so fast. Yes. I just feel like... I agree. There's a gun pointed at me twice. Yeah. I'm looking for similarities. Yes. So the parade that the Joker promised is underway in Gotham City. This was a fun scene. I liked this. But it isn't

long before mayhem ensues as canisters attached to the balloons start to release poisonous gas in the crowd. Now, was Prince the music? Was that what it was? Yes. This was so... Oh, did you not... I mean, he did a whole album. He did the bat dance. Right, right, right. I know a little bit about this,

but I don't really know a lot about this. He did a full concept album about Batman. He wrote the music in the museum is Prince, the parade is Prince. And there was a very famous video, the bat dance, what they kind of samples, uh,

uh, audio files from the film. And speaking of choreography, very elaborate choreography and Prince, half of him is, is himself and half is Joker. He's sort of split down the middle. I have never seen this.

Oh, it's worth, it's very worth a watch. That sounds amazing. Wow. Well, this was like the most 80s thing that could happen. Yes, yes. It's like the hip hop sort of like float coming through with the Prince music. I liked it.

It was really fun. Yeah, a lot of ghetto blasters, a lot of boom boxes on the shoulders. Yeah, and the puffy pants. Yes. Yeah. And his puffy pants. Yes. In his Batplane, I do love Batplane, Batcar, Batmobile. It's all very fun to me. It's great branding, solid branding.

Yeah, just put bat in front of it. Just bat, you got it. Bat shoes. Batman swoops down and grabs all of the parade balloons. And this was funny because the Joker was like, my balloons! Not my balloons! Carrying them out towards the ocean to release them where they won't do any harm. Except for to the animals.

Yeah, to the dolphins and the whales and the fish. We didn't know that then. No. No, now we do. Furious, the Joker shoots one of his goons and sends the rest away to scare the crowd while he deals with Batman himself. The Batplane swoops down towards the remaining parade floats, shooting them and destroying them. But the Joker manages to shoot a hole in the Batplane and the aircraft crashes, landing in front of a cathedral. He doesn't just shoot one of his goons. He shoots Bob the Goon,

which is very important because Bob the Goon had his own action figure and was the only figure that actually looked like almost identical to the character in the movie and the actor who plays Bob the Goon plays Cookie the chef in City Slickers also a film with Jack Palance I don't know if you guys are considering I feel you do Arliss Barbie and then newcomer City Slickers because that's another franchise I've never seen had a war. I've never seen it. This is really, we've got a lot ahead of us. Truly. Anything can happen from this point forward.

We've only seen two movies. So as Vicky makes her way toward the wreckage, the Joker intercepts her, taking her at gunpoint to the top of the cathedral tower. Batman, wounded but still alive, follows the Joker and vicky up to the top of the cathedral when vicky spots batman approaching she seduces the joker long enough to distract him now we think she's about to give him a blow job this is wild she's like i like that was shocking this time for sure it's pretty shocking yeah in this in this rewatch the two things that stood out to me was like oh i never really clocked that was robert wool's joke about king of the wicker people i don't think that ever landed for me before it's just because the costume looks like it's made out of wicker and i was like what is wicker oh he means like the furniture

stuff i didn't really connect that before and then yeah her sliding down and jack's and the joker's face was like oh whoa yeah this went over seven-year-old Darren's head for sure. Yeah. And kind of didn't clock in. I've seen it a bunch of times since, but that was, yeah, that would not fly these days, I feel, in a family-targeted audience film. Because also at this point, we don't really see what her

plan is. No. And so you kind of think it's like, she's, you think she's got a plan, but it's like... Anything to survive any old thing which honestly this would be pretty gross to complete i don't think i would like oh no yeah wait doesn't doesn't the joker disfigure his girlfriend yeah that happens in the that she he shows her in the restaurant oh yes yes yes, yes, yes. Or the museum. Yeah, yeah.

That was scary. It was. Yeah. So Batman greets the Joker with the same line, have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight, and throws his first punch. The two fight. The brawl ends with the Joker ducking out of the way,

sending Batman and Vicky tumbling over a ledge. That worried me. But a helicopter arrives as we get away from the Joker. He grabs on and starts to escape. Just then, Batman fires a cable at the Joker's leg, wrapping the other end around a gargoyle. The statue breaks off and pulls the Joker

down, making him lose his grip and fall to his death. That was good. Yeah. As Batman and Vicky try to pull themselves back up, the ledge breaks away and they start to fall. Batman quickly fires a cable hook up toward the tower while and Vicky try to pull themselves back up, the ledge breaks away and they start to fall. Batman quickly fires a cable hook up toward the tower while grabbing Vicky with the other arm. The hook catches and the two are suspended midair, safe. At a press conference, Harvey Dent reads a letter from Batman saying that Gotham has earned its rest from a wave of crime.

But if evil should ever arise again, they should call him. Then Knox asks how Commissioner Gordon answers that they'll use a bat signal and shines a spotlight with a bat signal into the sky. Vicky leaves Knox behind to continue her investigation instead of getting into a limo with Alfred and sets off for Bruce Manor. And as they drive off, we can see Batman

standing on top of a building. Yeah, it's Wayne Manor. Bruce Manor! This is so, I'm just reading what the people what the good people of the Batman wiki have written. Bruce Manor, I think, is a patter writer for the Oscars. Bruce Manor. Bruce Manor. As they drive off, we can see Batman standing on top of a building

in front of the Bat-Signal in the night sky. And that's our movie. That's it. And thus, a perfect film ends it is perfect moment that we didn't talk about when um when he's about to like carry vicky out of the way how much do you weigh 108 and then he goes like a little more than 108 yes why are you asking why are you saying it's wrong i just was like why wow. Yeah, brutal. Why are you asking? Why are you saying it's wrong? Body shape. I just was like.

Why is the weight so low? Yes. I mean, it can't be true. And then also, like, he's, you could look at her and know if you can lift her. Okay? Yes, absolutely. Like, it's just like, what are we doing here? Yeah.

Yeah. It was wild. He's not doing physics for every, like, grappling hook he's shooting up into the Art Deco architecture of Chicago. He's like 108 plus 1000 plus 2000. Just fly, Batman. Just fly. Just lift her up. The one case Batman could never solve

was his love interest's body mass index. He's obsessed. But does he just not save fatties? Like what if I was like Batman, help! He was like, sorry fatty, you're on your own. My cord can only hold 108. Okay.

All right, well, I guess I'll just be here and get robbed. It's pretty fucked up. Batman's the worst. Okay. I've changed my mind. Thank you, Taryn. Yeah. So Batman grossed $40.49 million during its opening weekend

and became the fastest film to earn $100 million, reaching it in 11 days, 10 days plus late-night previews. Despite the film's box office over $400 million against a budget of no more than $48 million, Warner Brothers claimed it'd end up losing $35.8 million and not likely to ever show a profit, which has been attributed to a case of Hollywood accounting. What? What does that mean?

Yeah. This is why we strike. Yeah. Oh, this is why we're on strike because they lied about Batman. It's bullshit. Fuzzy math. Fuzzy math. We made 400 million, but we lost 35 million. So we're in debt. What? Also, the merchandising on this

must have been just absolutely insane. mean i have action figures clothing mcdonald's toys cups burger king cups with like i mean it was everything and then you're also saying the thing about jack nicholson making so much money off of it so it's just like long term we know that's bullshit yeah okay wild it currently holds a 76 percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. At the time of the film's release audiences hated Michael Keaton's casting as Batman.

The movie was fresh off the heels of the release of Beetlejuice so some saw him more as the Joker. The backlash was so severe that Warner Brothers received over 50,000 letters

complaining about the cast. So is that just tweets now? That's tweets now because who's writing a letter sealing sealing it up, getting some stamps? And who's opening it? I feel like they don't care if someone sent a negative letter. Maybe the accountant who was supposed to track that $38 million was busy reading all the hate mail. He's like, we're losing money.

No more money. That's so dumb. 50,000 letters complaining about Michael Keaton. That's pretty fucking funny. Seems like a lot. Yeah. He does. There's a clip of Keaton. He wins the People's Choice Award or whatever for best actor

and he says in his acceptance speech, keep writing those letters. Aww. Kind of an F you. He has a good sense of humor. I love a sassy man with a jerry curl. He hosted SN good sense of humor. I love a sassy man with a jerry curl. He hosted SNL when I was on the show. And it was the week of my birthday, too.

Wow. And me and Bobby Moynihan got to write the monologue. We wrote a sketch. And they're like, this is good. We'll make it the monologue. And so Bobby and I got to dress up. I had the best department heads in the world dress me up as Jack Nicholson's Joker. And then Bobby was Danny DeVito's Penguin, which you'll see for the next one. It was an exceptional, exceptional week.

It was a very fun week. We also, Bobby dressed up as Otho and I dressed up as Catherine O'Hara from Beetlejuice. And we did like a little scene from that too. It was one of the most fun weeks just because it was that like I was a child and you were a hero. And now you're here. And like dreams do come true. That's amazing. A couple of months ago, I was out to dinner for my wife's birthday.

And Michael Keaton walks into the restaurant. Is he looking good did he look he looks oh god he looks so good he's so good okay god it's salt and pepper never never tasted so so delicious and he and he's like kind of putting eyes over the table and i got so in my head i was like this is my like one of my childhood heroes and he's here and i worked with him i could say hi right yeah my poor wife who's at her birthday dinner is like darren let's finish the meal as you're walking out if he makes eye contact go over and say hi and i was like yeah yeah that's the plan that's you're the best wife that's so smart and we walk out and i kind of like i'm kind

of side eyeing his table all the time and he looks up And so I make a beeline and I go, Hey, Michael. Hey, it's Taryn. We did SNL together. He's like, Oh yeah, yeah. How are you, man? And I was like, um, I said, come in. And then he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We love this place.

You live in the area. I said, Oh yeah. We're just kind of down the street. We're a couple of blocks away. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're workless by two. We're here all the time. And I was like, yeah, we love it.

It's our neighborhood restaurant. It's like, okay, great, great, great. Well, Hey, if you see me here again in the future, feel free to just leave me alone. I'm only really going to slide off the couch. That was my immediate feeling. I was like, I have to leave. I got to get out of here. I'm like obsessed, but also dead inside.

Feel free to leave me alone. Leave me alone. And we all laughed and I said that was my instinct have a great day and it was so funny that's so funny you might then start to run into him a lot

it's a funny joke but it's also like you'll see me again here if you come here a lot let's not do this again another great bit inversely was Jeffff goldblum who i like just was at a premiere and i introduced myself i was like such a huge fan i love you he's like yes yes good good good hey well well please keep in touch i don't want to disturb you anymore i just want to say thank you for your work yes yes oh my god he's really nice i met him once and i

was in jurassic world and i didn't say that to him because I just was like, you might not have seen it. I don't care. I don't know. And then, but he was so warm and gave me a big hug and like took a picture and was like hugging me in the picture. And I was like, this is a great picture. That's nice.

I think really loves people. I was in New York. He was in the Pillow Man, I think, on Broadway at the time. And I was in Times Square or or not, like, by the theater district. And I, like, rounded a corner, and he was rounding a corner. And we, like, almost bumped into each other. And I just screamed, hug me like you love me. And he went, okay.

And he did. And then we just went about our day. I love that story. It was wild. He's great. That's a great thing to say. He's never been in a Batman movie. He should be in a Batman movie. Oh my god.

That would be fun. He'd be a great villain. He would be a great villain. Yes. He could do a maniacal laugh. Yes. Yeah. Oh man. Alright, well let's... Let's get into our trivia segment no way

so this you did touch on this so Robin Williams was offered the role of Joker when Jack Nicholson hesitated he'd even accepted

the role when producers approached Nicholson again and told him Williams would take the part if he did not Nicholson took the role and Williams was released

now that's that is so fucked up Williams resented being used as bait and not only refused to play Riddler in Batman Forever, but also refused to be involved in any Warner Brothers productions until the studio apologized.

And that is star power. That's amazing. I mean, to have the role, to have it and have it taken away. Yeah, that sucks. That actually really. And he would have been amazing. He would have been so good. That's so crazy.

Boy, oh boy. What a mean business. Very mean. Michael Keaton was worried that Batman's secret identity would, in reality, what? Oh, in reality would be fairly easy to uncover. Would Robert Wool. Robert Wool did what? Robert Wool at Bruce Manor?

And discussed ideas with Tim Burton to better disguise the character, including using contact lenses. In the end, Keaton decided to perform Batman's voice at a lower register than Bruce Wayne's, a technique which has since become a key part of future portrayals of Batman in film, television, and video games. Wow. Contacts, it's kind of a good idea

though, because it's enough to throw you off. But who's stopping to put, I guess he does have to put the whole outfit on, so what's a couple other seconds? Sometimes they get messed up and you have to like do it again. It's like he's really wasting time. Tim Burton makes a cameo as one of the Joker's goons in the museum scene. I didn't catch that.

I don't know Mr. Burton at all. Honestly, I've seen him, but I don't know that I would really recognize his face. Can we pull up a picture? Yeah. What does Mr. Burton look like? And why am I calling him Mr. Burton? He's got sunglasses on he's got and he's got i think he's wearing like a like a hat like a beret or something like it's like a beret backwards um yeah but he because he went he went

to cal arts he was an artist first he was an animator for disney and he like worked on he worked on the black cauldron and Oliver and Company. He was a visual artist, literally drawing the cells. And then wanted to be a filmmaker and did a couple of shorts. And then Paul Rubens, I forget how they met through the Groundlings, I think, and then got him to direct

Pee-Wee and the rest of the system. Interesting. His movies now make sense to me that he started in animation. Yeah. It seems like he's bringing animation to life. He has a very visual aesthetic. At the time of its release,

comic book fans reacted negatively to the Joker murdering Bruce's parents. In the comics, Joe Chill is responsible. Who's Joe fucking Chill? Is it Joe Cool's brother? Who's Joe Cool? One Snoopy's cool? If it was another Snoopy, I'd be really happy.

But who is Joe Chill? I don't know. Taryn, do you know? Joe Chill, yeah. He appears in later films. You will experience a joe chill in batman begins a cinematic joe chill okay um but they did not like uh them crossing over and because i saw this when i was so young i always thought it was like canon the joker was

the one but but having now gone back interesting but uh yeah joe chill like thomas wayne bruce's dad is this big billionaire magnet sort of thing and and and a doctor as well um and joe chill mugs them was like down on his luck because gotham is sort of like chicago there's new york elements too but it's always been more chicago metropolis has always been a little more new york and they left a movie singing the mask of zoro bruce and his and his parents and joe chill mugs them and then panics and and kills both his parents in front of him damn well well writer sam, which he can... The segue of trauma of parent murder into saying Sam Hamm. Well, Sam Hamm said it was Burton's idea to have the Joker murder Wayne's parents. He said the writer's strike was going on and Tim had the other writers do that.

I would also hold innocent to Alfred letting Vicki Vale into the Batcave. Fans were ticked off with that, and I agree. That would have been Alfred's last day of employment at Wayne Manor. Yeah. But so the other writers were on strike, or like, he was on strike but other writers still wrote? I'm like, what is this? Someone scabbed. Wow. They had to dance. They had to dance.

They had to dance. They had to dance. They just had to. Okay, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be back with more Batman after this. We're back. Holy Batman. Batman, in this new segment,

we'll rate Michael Keaton on the definitive newcomer's Batman scale. We'll use our phones to rank this Batman across five unique characteristics. Preparedness. How prepared is this Batman? Does he get to use his little gadgets and tools? Detective ability.

Does this Batman get to be a little detective? Is he good at mystery solving? Voice gravelliness. How gravelly is this Batman's voice? Sadness. How lonely, brooding, emo is this Batman? And finally, hotness, horniness. How hot and how horny is this Batman?

I love it. Can I borrow your QR code? Yeah. Because mine is far away. Thank you. Okay. I'm working on my hotness horniness scale. Yeah, that one takes a minute.

I'm really just trying to tap back into that feeling of seven-year-old. Oh, everything jumped. I-old. Oh, everything jumped a little bit. Okay, great. So let's see how we rated this Batman. We gave this Batman an 85.7% preparedness. I mean, yeah, I think he was pretty prepared.

But it wasn't... I almost feel like the previous one from the 60s, he had every single thing ever. He had the belt, right? Yeah. so it's kind of changing how i see him in terms of his preparedness detective ability he got an 81 i felt like when he didn't immediately piece together that joker killed his parents i thought you're not a great detective but there was like some good chemistry detecting right where he's like buying all the products and he's sampling them. That was amazing. Yeah, and then swooping up the balloons.

He's balloon swooping like a true detective would. My balloons! He was really awesome. He stole my balloons. Voice gravelling is 71.3%. Yeah, I mean, it was gravelly, but it wasn't,

it's almost like not even the parody we have now of it being gravelly. Yes. So I'm seeing it as less gravelly. I went pretty low on this because I would say it was husky, more of a husk, like a whispered husk more than a gravel where like Christian Bale

as you will see goes full on like... Oh, yeah. This is more... Christian Bale soon. You gotian bale coming up you got hot kilmer val kilmer like looks hot but is but is like watching paint dry a little bit you still and you got you got batman returns which is more but a very different movie it's like it's a very very different movie um and then you've got kilmer and then George Clooney, who's, you know, he got a good paycheck.

But then Christian Bale does a very, very good job. But Keaton is still my number one. He's my number one. Always will be. He's the best. Other than Kevin Conroy, are you doing animated series? Yes, we are. Yeah.

We are going to at least do one, I think. Yes. There's the movie, there's the Mask of the Phantasm, which is pretty decent. We're doing that. What are your thoughts on it? Because I do love a cartoon. Love Batman the Animated Series. Great.

It was one of the first animated shows to do their art on black cells. So they added the color, right? Because normally it's like translucent or a white page yeah but they would start on a black page and then add in color because the shadows and the oh that's actually really cool that's interesting i've only seen like white and like or the clear cells yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no it's beautiful and they use danny elfman's score for the theme song too which is which is awesome oh cool all right well Well, yeah, we'll see. We'll see. I don't know. I love a cartoon.

We're open-minded. Yeah. Okay. I can't. Okay. All right, whatever you say. Sadness, 74.7. He seems pretty sad.

I thought he was, like, sad-ish. I guess it was sad when he was like, I haven't been in many rooms in my own home. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah take a tour Alfred could show you the rooms you should eat in a different room every night yeah his turtleneck moment in the alley too you know what I mean

laying the roses down on the street like that that was sad he was sad it's sad okay hotness and horniness 78.3% who gave him that low one i'm thinking it's taryn taryn i went pretty low on the hotness the horniness yeah there's not you don't know i think the only time you get like a real shirtless like rip thing is him upside down doing the sit ups like a bat in the middle of the night yeah memory serves yes not a lot of skin no no i'm sort of just generally attracted

to the character at this point so i'm like i'm gonna go with that's pretty hot yeah yeah he he's i don't know like maybe it was the age i first saw but like there's like a dad energy to this batman it's like you know what i mean like it's a little bit like i'm looking out i'll take care of you here we should open more bottles of champagne like hosting a party kind of thing yeah um yeah yeah sorry sorry i went so low no you don't have to do anything you don't want to do your opinion but hotness horning i don't know like the suit the black rubber suit like you know again you're about to see one of the most i think like beautiful performances physically and emotionally in batman returns with michelle pfeiffer who's phenomenal and do yourself a

favor before you see the movie or or just after you see the movie watch how she worked the whip there's a scene in the department store she uses a whip not that's the only spoiler part but you can watch online the take she did it in one take and she's actually doing all the whipping i actually have seen that clip out of context and it is amazing it's very impressive yeah like it's amazing mind-blowing so it'll be cool to see that in context and see like what is happening um and why she's doing that why would she ever a whip well it's time for our segment, Five Kapows, where we read reviews from our own listeners because we value how you guys praise us.

Yes. This is a five-star review from Girly Grace. I know so much more about wigs. I love listening to you guys chat about stuff you're not into. In the words of Nicole, I tee hee hee the whole time. Also, I now know what makes a good wig. We haven't seen any wigs yet. In previous movies, we've been obsessed with bad wigs.

All of Marvel, most of the women made the wig department angry. And they said, no good wigs for anybody. Especially Scarlett Johansson. Like, she really did someone dirty and they hate her. All vinyl for her. But you're right. All of the wigs in Thor are terrible. It's a little, yeah.

Yeah. Hopefully we'll get some bad wigs coming up because that's always fun. I do love a bad wig. Yeah. So, okay. In addition to Apple reviews, we're also reading reviews from Letterboxd. Also, we're going to give each film a one-sentence review ourselves and a star rating. And if you don't know what Letterboxd is, I'll tell you.

It's a social platform where people can write reviews of films. You can follow the show on Letterboxd at Newcomers. Are you on Letterboxd, Taryn? Yeah. I started a Letterboxd. are you on Letterboxd Taryn? I started a Letterboxd and I think the reason I went on was because I saw Coco

and I needed people to know how much I loved Coco I love Coco it's such a good movie my daughter loves it and I've now seen it like 10 times I love it too but I immediately thought of Coco Montrese from RuPaul's Drag Race and I was like you saw a drag queen and went on Letterboxd and then I was like you're

out of your mind, Nicole. The movie Coco. None of that adds up. God. No, I would have gone on for Simone. We were team Simone hardcore. Okay, so here's a Letterboxd review and Taryn, we are going to ask for your one sentence review

of this film to see. Three stars from Adam Bolt trying to work out the tactical advantage of making a suit with a neck that can't move. Good point. Uh-huh. This is from Liam F. Imagine my disappointment to discover that Danny Elfman, who wrote the musical score for the movie, is actually 5'10 and not the size of an elf. So that's your problem with the film?

Interesting. Look, it can be anything, and that's what's fun about it. And that was a four-star review. So what's a one-sentence review you would give this film, Nicole? I think I'm going to give it three stars. This bat is not a man for me. Okay. Oh, my God.

I'm going to give it four stars. Okay. I think, so my review is Tim Burton's fantastic. I love the characters. Joker's wild. I hate my review. It's good. No, Lauren, that was good.

Lauren, that was so good. Okay, fine. Taryn. Keep it. Okay. Okay. you it's good no lauren that was good lauren that was so good okay fine taryn okay um okay uh finally the dark and gritty dark night we've wanted to see at the cinema without the expense of losing the fantastical fun asterisk this movie taught me how to dream. Five stars. Wow. Oh, wow. I loved that review. It's better than mine. And I love it.

It's better than mine. Can I throw in Joker's Wild, though? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me too. Joker's Wild. Okay, perfect. So everyone out there, please write a review of our show on Apple Podcasts because we really need you to. We need that.

And we'll be picking one to read on the next episode and also read us on Spotify. You can just go give us five stars. Yeah, we want that. Taryn, do you have anything you want to plug? It's easy.

Just click. Just click. Hey, just click, would ya? I want to plug this podcast. I've been a fan of both of yours for so long. Thank you. We've never gotten to do anything ever,

but Nailed It is by far the most watched TV show in my... That's nice. We will repeat watch what we call Grandma Pirate Donut episode. Because nothing makes us... That one was so funny. Nothing makes us laugh so hard. And Lauren, I've been a fan of yours for so so long and yours and ben's yours and ben's early show like still one of the best things on the internet in in my opinion

uh honored to be here thank you so much for being here um we appreciate you so much and we appreciate your your loving perspective on this film because it really helped us love it more it made me maybe want to watch it again that's maybe crazy but okay i mean maybe you i don't know do it i'll just re-watch everything i will say you guys never really and i know that's also another point of the podcast but you never tap into the music and i would just give a gentle if you do watch it again danny Elfman's score to this film, truly iconic. Truly, truly iconic. Yeah, I don't feel like I talk about music, but I like the music.

I do like the music. It gives a sort of, like, fantastical feeling. If you're looking for new segments moving forward, some little, like, what did the score score? You know, I'm not, this is not my job. I like that. I like that. That's really good thank you for that

please welcome our Taryn Killam suggested segment what are the scores for? yes you have to get credit every time and reach out to her she's going to see if score bars will endorse that segment give you a little extra cash these are all really good ideas

associate producer Taryn Killam So what's that say, man? I owed you a little extra cash. These are all really good ideas. A little extra cash. I like it. Associate producer Taryn Hillel. I love it. You're going to get credits. We'll be back next week with the sequel to this movie, Batman Returns. I can't wait for Batman to return. We'll see you then.

Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Newcomers is a production of HeadGum Studios. Our producer is Ali Khan. Our executive producer is Anya Kanivskaya. The show is edited, mixed, and mastered by Ferris Monchi, who also composed our theme song. Follow us on Letterboxd at Newcomers

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