Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - Madea Goes to Jail (w/ Shaun Diston)

Episode Date: May 18, 2021

Shaun Diston is back to help Lauren and Nicole examine a staple within the Madea Cinematic Universe - Madea Goes to Jail (2009).Follow Shaun @shaundiston on Instagram and Twitter, and check out Waffles + Mochi on Netflix.Next week's topic: Ruthless S1 E1 "Pilot"Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and let us know what Tyler Perry hit they should check out next.Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Original. You set a date. Yes, I set a date. You know you're gonna need the best man, right? I found the most amazing dressmaker and she agreed to do the dress for us. We are all struggling to be our best. Can I have some me time, please? Did I ever ask you for some me time?

What the hell is me time? My dear, you have an anger management problem. Fine, Cora. City of Atlanta versus Washington. Candy? I'm sorry, Your Honor. Seems that I know this defendant. We are all searching for a better life.

Why you bail me out of jail? Because you're a friend. You ain't like the rest of us, Candy. If anybody can get out of here, you can. And we are all on a journey. I didn't raise no punk. You better go get that fool. Between where we came from.

What are you doing with her? I was just trying to help her out. You've helped her enough. And who we want to be. What is wrong with you? Why do you feel the need that you got to get somebody all the time? Well, when you're getting got and somebody done got you and you go get them, when when you get them, everybody's gonna get got. Yeah, but you're getting the gotters when they didn't do anything to you to get you.

Yeah, but if the gotters get me, I'm gonna get my Glock. Tyler Perry and Lionsgate invite you to experience the laughter... Joe, who the hell are all these people in my house? She got a gun! ...the sacrifices... Don't you feel sorry for me? At least I get paid for what I do now.

...and the convictions She's going to jail this time! I ain't going, I ain't going, I ain't going! That make us who we are. I see nobody told you I run this prison. Young man, I guess nobody told you that I'm mud, dear. Mud to the damn D-E-A-G. This February

You're in love with her. There's nothing going on with us. Believe in forgiveness. They gave me 17 years. I'm going to get you out of here. I'm going to be here for you. And allow yourself. Everybody got a life.

And what you do with their life is up to you. To break free. Tyler Perry's Madea Goes to Jail. You saw me get ready to take this spot. I took it. My God, look at your car. Thank you. Oh, wow. Okay, so this is the 10th episode of our third season of Newcomers. We're working our way through Tyler Perry's body of work for the first time with the help of Perry scholars, super fans, and sometimes people who have contributed.

This season, we extended it, is going to be 15 episodes. We could not get enough. We really couldn't. And honestly, I don't think you guys could get enough. That's what the feeling is in the world. I feel like everyone has been very excited about watching Tyler Perry.

Some people have never seen it, just like us. It's opened up a whole universe for people. So it's been very exciting. Yeah. I have now consumed eight episodes of The Oval and I could not tell you how everyone's storylines. At one point I looked down at my phone, looked up and there was someone coming out of a trunk and I was like, what? I got to go back. I got to rewind this.

I'm so jealous. I have to catch up because that show was maybe my favorite thing that we've watched there's at one point the clips you posted like there's a clip you posted where like the fucking first lady runs headfirst into the wall on purpose she screams she spins around in a squat stands up and runs into the wall. And we don't talk about it. They never talk about it. Just it carries on.

And this is after she hit the president over the head with a glass bottle. She also tases her daughter at one point. And the way she goes down. I mean, it is wild. just anything i've seen everyone on that show is so mean and they're just screaming like vitriol at each other like i mean and monique said that the the son has like a storyline that is like brutally crazy let me tell you he is up to no good they are planting seeds so far but like i he is a bad man i won't say boy he is a bad man i am going to watch this show and by the way we got a hot tip last week that if you want to watch it you should download the bet app through amazon because you'll get it

all for eight dollars instead of paying two2 an episode if you get it through Amazon or whatever, which is, I love a deal. A little hot tip. A little hot tip. Well, we're not talking about the oval today. Today. No, we're not. We are talking about Madea Goes to Jail from 2009. Gotta say, Madea spends very little time in jail.

That was the part that pissed me off the most. I was like, go to jail. the most I was like go to jail like when do you go to jail she didn't go to jail until the last 10 minutes the movie's 2 hours and 17 minutes long I was like

why is it Medea goes to jail it's just an origin story about how she got to jail this would be the prequel it is a prequel to Medea but I guess we're gonna get

a prequel prequel when the Showtime show comes out but Medea Goes to Jail is available on DVD for a fee on Amazon, Apple TV, Google Play, and Vudu. It is also on the Starz app. That's how I watched it. Oh.

Yeah. I like the Starz. I like Starz's content. I'm here for it. You know what my favorite app is? This is so unrelated, but Discovery Plus. Oh, my God, Lauren. All the shows.

Let me tell you, I love Discovery Plus. I also have the HGTV app and Rock the Block. They uploaded the wrong episode one Monday. What, like it was later? Some VA or intern uploaded the behind the scenes clip as the episode and the behind the scenes clip was also just the behind the scenes clips and i was like somebody at discovery plus should get fired so then i had to hop over to the hgtv app these are not problems but i was all right well no our biggest problem is who won rock the Block. I can't get into it now. Oh, God. That was one of the most infuriating finales of anything I've ever seen.

A bowling alley does not increase value if the balls aren't real. They were little handballs. The pins are on strings. People play it three times and be bored. I can't. I can't. I can't. Okay.

We're so excited to talk about this. This movie today, though, because we could talk about Rock the Block for 10 hours, honestly. But we have a fantastic guest today with us is sean distant sean is a comedian writer producer you know him from erect and mr student body president he most recently wrote for netflix's waffles and mochi which is so fucking cute welcome sean ah guys dr. Phil is the greatest improviser of all time honestly no that's the first thing

I want to say no so okay here so or like we could just jump to the trivia

the trivia is that scene was completely improvised yes and I'm sorry I know

even the guy I don't you know what we could get into it but I just want to say this movie is so crazy. And, you know, as the person that on the podcast that was lobbying the most for you guys to do Marvel, I was texting Lauren all the time. Hey, what's going on? And then I'd kind of pretend it was like, oh, what's going on with that?

Oh, hey, can I talk to you about Marvel for a second? It was a campaign. It was a passion project of yours yeah passion project and was i upset that you started watching tyler perry movies yes oh now i have never been more wrong all i wanted was you guys to enjoy your experience on this podcast and i was confident it was going to be marvel but i had no idea that tyler perry these movies seem so up your guy's alley i can't but but sean it's all downhill from here because we have had so much fun on this season i can't imagine because we are probably going to do marvel but i'm'm like, I can't imagine finding as much joy. Here's what I think.

I think there's endless Tyler Perry, right? Yeah. I think you always do one for them, one for you. Just do a little bit of Marvel and then pop back over to support Tyler Perry and then catch up on the new shit when it comes out next season. Like the fact that he has so much coming out, I think this is an endless side of the podcast to me he literally yeah if we

did like a sub podcast like how 90 day fiance has like 10 000 spinoffs like yeah we have newcomers tyler perry and it's like or tyler perry's newcomers is what it should be called but he doesn't own it yes tyler perry presents newcomers pillow talk it's like a pillow talk it is oh guys i'm so happy to talk about this movie today it is so crazy it's it's honestly it was truly two different movies yes yes fully yes there's well that's kind of the medea yes effect of it all Yes, because Medea is pure broad comedy. And then she's always plopped into these worlds where people are on crack or something horrible is happening. And you're like, how are you a character in this? Let me ask you this.

Was this the movie that you guys have done so far that has the biggest stars? Like, Viola Davis is in this. You got your Dr. Phil cameo. You've got a bunch of cameos at the end steve harvey who truly was like i don't know if i really want to do this he's like i'll read i'll read these first three sentences and you guys could take that footage the one with kathy bates i feel like she's such a big star yes and uh alfre woodard they had the whole cast of the view talking about this movie i think this one of the most guest stars yeah but in medea's family reunion we had maury povich which to me that's huge okay you know i'm a maury stan over here tyler perry loves

daytime tv is what we're picking up yes he wants everyone He wants everyone in the film. So I wanted to just, so on Discovery Plus, every season of- Oh, you want to talk about Rock the Block? Just real quick. I did hear you guys talk about Rock the Block and I absolutely am going to watch that show. It's so good. I've been watching a lot of Tiny House Nation,

which is a show I've been really into. Okay. Is that where people make tiny houses? Yeah, it's where they make tiny houses. It's kind of fun. I don't want to live in a tiny house. I don't want to live there. And that's why I can't watch it.

I know. I'm kind of like, who cares? Your toilet fits under there. You're going to cook on that stuff? Too small? Well, you can't make stuff for friends. Here's what I was going to say about Discovery+. I believe every season of Survivor is on it, right?

Is it? Because Survivor is CBS. I've been meaning to watch that. I'm not sure where it is but the reason i bring it up is do you guys know that tyler perry is a survivor super fan we know this has been brought up yes i have been i've been meaning to get into to um survivor but i never do it but i know which season for you to watch okay tell me watch the season on there's two seasons on netflix and one of them is kagayan that's what it's called and it's season 14 or something but it is the season that when you watch the final

episode tyler perry pops up and uh i might just watch that episode it's the finale and he's there in the crowd so excited and jeff crooks goes up to him and he's like well you guys probably saw him but this is tyler perry and he gets up and he's like oh i'm so excited and he's like what you guys don't know is tyler perry calls me every night with ideas for survivor and one of the ideas they ended up using in that season so if you watch the season, it's kind of fun. Cause there's a little Tyler Perry. That's really funny. And it's great. He's just such an interesting guy because like that is a huge part of his

life and it's not at all related to his career or like anything he's doing. I love that. I love a super fan. Well, so how much Tyler Perry had you consumed in the past? Are you familiar with Tyler Perry's work? Or are you just knowing him from Survivor? I have seen clips and parts of these movies.

I don't think I've ever sat and watched a full Tyler Perry movie. But it's interesting because maybe I have. And it just didn't feel like that when I watched it because their stories are kind of wild. But I didn't know much about Tyler Perry. I will say I recently I was doing a Ninja Turtles podcast and he popped up on in one of the Ninja Turtles movies as a character named Dr. Baxter Stockman or something. Oh, and I was like, Tyler Perry's in this movie. Didn't think he was going to be in it. And he's pretty fucking good. And he's great.

And and he was also good in the star trek movies right i didn't realize he acts so much he was in star trek he was in gone girl yes he's great in gone girl like he's good and stuff outside of his wheelhouse but then i did not know of his wheelhouse and this is a whole universe that I will say in watching this movie and hearing you guys talk about the prequel and how they should cast Nicole. I want it so bad. Honestly, as I was watching the movie, I kept going, yeah, good afternoon. Let me tell you something. Just practicing.

I work in television. We talk about casting all the time. This is a slam dunk cast not only that I didn't realize she's an ex-stripper that used to work the pole I mean like you have the skills like you are already doing it Nicole

you don't have to have private training to do this movie and it's also like so much improv and when I was watching some of the improv, I really was just going back to the days of watching you do improv, Nicole, in a way that was like,

there is something unexpected and amazing about Tyler Perry's improv that I actually really agree. And it's something that I'm always kind of like surprised by every single time. His improv is really good and it actually makes everyone laugh and throws everyone off it's great he's doing two things he's improvising the lines that are like we need all this information in the scene so i'm just gonna ramble until i get it all out yeah but he's also really engaging and he's listening and responding and i just think as an improv like i just i want to throw it out there. This is the perfect casting.

Not even as a joke. No, no. They would be stupid to not even get, like, we got to see Nicole as younger. I know. That shit is crazy. We wonder if it's going to be a man. Yeah. But I don't, but I don't think it should be.

I think it's funnier if it's not. I think it's going to be funnier if it's not as well. Yeah. Like, I don't think you can get a younger man. Like, and also there's the whole thing of like, do we always want to dress up our men as women? And like, I just feel like Tyler Perry's been doing it since the play.

Like, you know, we can, he can keep doing it, but like, we don't want to make, we got Nicole Byer. What are we doing? I do think he retired Madea though. As him playing the character? I believe so. Is it because it was maybe a little problematic

there was some slight problematic stuff here in the prison i will say oh my god yeah when we finally get to the prison you're you're kind of like maybe a little grateful you haven't been in the prison the entire time because you're like i cannot believe these side characters that are here and the way people are talking. I mean, there's a lot. Sophia Vergara. Sophia Vergara. Wow. She had a great one day of shooting.

Right. She had a lot of fun. They said, Sophia, do whatever you want. And she said, okay, I'll make my hair into a mustache. It was truly goofy. It was so goofy. As a writer, watching this movie, I, and you mentioned like he doesn't go, they don't go to prison till like the last 30 minutes.

I think it's literally just because Tyler Perry sits down to write the movie and starts clicking and clacking away and he's got scene after scene. And then he looks down, he's like 140 pages. They better get to prison. Boom, boom, boom. The whole end of the movie wrapped up so fast. I was like, okay. Yeah. Like they better get the movie wrapped up so fast. I was like, okay, yeah.

They better get to prison. We have talked about how it feels like he does not care about format. No outlines, nothing. He's never studied how films are made. He just types and then he just goes like, and then this happens and this happens and then this happens.

Everything that happens is crazy. I already made the movie, Medea Goes to Jail. That's the title of it. So we have to have her go to jail at some point. We've got the jail set up. It's like so silly. You know what I just remembered?

I don't know if we've mentioned this, but those Ernest movies. Ernest Goes to Jail. Yeah, Ernest Goes to Jail. Ernest Christmas. I was a huge Ernest fan when I was a kid because Ernest Goes to camp is i think a really good movie i remember thinking it was really scary when i was little something scary

happened there's there's earnest scared stupid that's really scary i like earnest scared it is it's like a campier one and there's a lot more puppets and weird shit that's probably what i'm thinking of that one's fun but then earnest goes to camp is kind of like a camp movie and it ultimately is about this camp that's built on indigenous land and Ernest helps them get their land back.

It's a really fascinating movie and there's a lot of really funny parts in it, but then Ernest Goes to Jail is fascinating because I think they're in the same comedic universe, like Medea and Ernest.

That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, it feels like these two characters just go places. So in Ernest goes to jail. Yeah, exactly. In Ernest goes to jail, he is given the election. What happens is there's a person that looks exactly like him inexplicably. And that person switches with him.

So he goes to jail and the criminal earnest is out living earnest's life and they're going it's a fun premise and earnest the real earnest is getting put to death they're giving him the death penalty and they put him literally it's crazy that's so extreme they electric they put him in the electric chair it turns on and instead of him dying he gets the power of electricity to shoot from his hands so he breaks out of prison and saves his friends with the power of electricity oh my god but as i was remembering that plot i was like that could happen in this movie and i wouldn't be blown away by it. Totally. Wait, did you know there's an Ernest Goes to Africa movie? No, I did know that, but it's just flooding back into my memory now.

I don't think I saw it. Oh, no. The first picture that pops up is Ernest in blackface. No! No! Ernest is canceled. No, no, no. Oh, no.

Oh, no. Oh, buddy. Oh, my God, I see it. Oh no. I'm not going to look. And it truly looks like he's being like Jerry Lewis. It looks like it's from like a millionaire movie. That is tough.

This is horrible. Oh, there's multiple. No, no, no. So I'll tell you what. Oh no. I'll tell you what. If you want to watch a goes to jail movie, maybe make it Madea. Maybe we don't support the late Ernest.

I do think Ernest is an interesting story about just like career story because he was like it was a commercial. It was a character from a commercial. Yeah. Really? That was, I believe, a local like. Yeah, it was like a car commercial. Wow. Like and he was like talking to the camera and the character Vern and whatever.

And then he got movie deals. I mean, it's similar to when they tried to make the TV show out of The Cavemen. Yeah. It's not a great idea, usually. It's not, but it was a giant franchise. But I do think that you can see the influences from both eddie murphy yeah a little bit of earnest just in the titling alone and it's really interesting because the thing that i really like about marvel movies i'll keep connecting it to that is that they're all interconnected and like

the like people appear in other people's movies and i feel like he's even doing that inside the movie like you said it is two movies happening happening there's a movie with mr brown's in it mr brown who has his own story but medea's movie and then this other movie with the prostitute and the lawyer the couple which is intense and then they like the crossover is when they all end up in jail together and that's the first time uh-huh that you even then you even begin to understand why he has all these storylines yeah so i'm imagining when you guys mentioned family reunion i'm like is that just like all of his movies characters in one big reunion it's well we watched that one no we watched wait uh medea's big happy family because family reunion

i believe is one and and i i looked at it and i'm like the browns are in it medea's in it and there are a bunch of other characters and i'm like did they have their own movies there i'm well the browns have their own tv show meet the browns and then meet the browns ended and now they have a show called like meet the olds or it's it's something where they're like living assisted living it was very far off i do think it should be called meet the old though i love that it's an interconnected universe like i didn't realize that medea lives in all of these movies and is related to everyone. And it makes it kind of fun. Cause I think there's something about that,

that like it's, it makes everything a little more accessible even because you're like, Oh, this is here we are with these characters again. It's sort of like a, like a sweet, it's not typically how things work. I mean that you would have,

I think in the Marvel universe it does, but again, I'll keep bringing that up. Well, I, as you know, do not know that. But this reminds me, and I may have even said this on this podcast, but to me, it's crazy that there is not a rom-com cinematic universe. I would love that so much. Like there should be six or seven rom-coms that are loosely in the same tone. And then at the end of one, they should get a wedding invite. And they all end up at the same wedding.

It's like two side characters get married and then they all end up at the same wedding. I love that too. Or it starts at a wedding. Yes. Then you see the aftermath of everything. And it culminates in another wedding because there was different connections. I love that. So, because I've always, you know, I love the like Star Wars and Marvel shit because it rewards you for watching more shit.

And that's kind of what I think Tyler Perry does. Like if you watch all of Tyler Perry's movies and all of his content, I bet you have a different understanding. And it's like more fun for you because you're like oh i remember that character i remember that joke i remember that callback you know yeah i mean yeah and he does like nicole you mentioned like right before we started that he does like reuse some jokes in these things but then it's like yeah okay do we classify that as a callback then you know what i mean it feels generous it feels generous but but i do think that maybe it could be. It feels like the kind of thing, though,

that when you're writing Stream of Consciousness, you kind of come up with the same joke over and over again. Yeah, you just don't even care. You don't care about it. Someone's like, that's the same joke. I don't care. It's a different movie. There's somebody who reuses jokes that I cannot remember.

So it's Sorkin. Sorkin has a super cut of aaron sorkin online kevin porter made it right yeah you see like every single like turn of phrase and little joke thing where it's like rome wasn't built in a day but if it was it'd probably break like in every movie kind of it's so funny because it's like literally long speeches that are saying that are just and how could you possibly feel comfortable getting away with that? Well, I'll say, I'm not going to knock

my man Tyler Perry for doing it if Aaron Sorkin is doing it. Truly. I feel like Tyler Perry is just borrowing from things he's seen and he's like,

oh yeah, I'll do that too. Absolutely. Emily Heller was telling me that Stephen King also does an outline. He just free writes. Wow. And if you like,

look at the structure of his movies, they're not like a real three-act structure they're like an introduction like i just watched misery it is the introduction to what the movie is the second act is the movie and then it ties up real nicely in like 15 minutes yeah it's but it works and i and it feels different than other movies which is probably what sets it apart like There was something interesting about watching these two plots in this movie that were only connected by they were in the same courtroom for five seconds before. But watching the two plots go from the most dramatic shit I've ever watched, I think, to I think quite possibly the funniest improv comedy movie I've ever seen.

I think quite possibly the funniest improv comedy movie I've ever seen. Like, this is what's so crazy. I mean, we've had this happen with other movies of his where like, you're like, this one storyline is the saddest thing I've ever heard. Someone's being really abused. There's a rape in the family.

Yeah. Awful. And then meanwhile, the funniest shit is going down the next second. Like that movie we watched, I can never remember which one's which now but the family reunion where is that the one where it ends with maury yeah with loretta divine and we both cried i was there's a funeral scene we're sobbing and then and then it ends with maury povich and like you're not the father or whatever

type thing and i'm like dying laughing you're drying your tears and you're like wait what the hell is going on this is funny and then you're like crying laughing and you're like Tyler Perry you fucked me up and now I have to talk to my therapist to me it's weirdly it's it's own tone like it's extremes extreme

drama extreme comedy like completely and the characters are so extreme in their in their opinions in their emotions everything's at a 10 like it's there's never been someone who was like a little bit sad or a little bit mad oh my god every extra in this is like watch it old lady oh my god that adr killed me when she's driving before she picks up a car with a forklift i mean also that woman who drove that car was so funny i i i'm like i want to find these people they're all in atlanta probably but oh my god there was just and then you would cut from that to like the guy being like she got

right today and then you're just like i can't i know that topic comes up a lot rape is a running theme in most of tyler perry's work we have the one where he the guy was falsely accused we have the false accusation of rape in the oval yes we have the real rape that happened in that family one here was the most fucked up thing about this movie is ultimately the movie was constructed so that this person who had been abused her entire life goes to jail meets medea and the first thing medea says to her is you got to take responsibility for your own shit you're in prison because you did something and nobody else is going to take i was like wait this person literally I don't know if you're right about that, but it's like, that's the message of the movie is that this character that has been assaulted multiple times should learn to take responsibility. It was a weird message.

Like, Medea's not a good person, right? No, Medea's not a good person, butea has the morals apparently that everybody looks to like she's the moral compass and you're like but she also drives her car into like a burger king like you're just like yeah she drove her car into a burger king and then like 15 minutes later was like y'all need to respect your damn no one should listen to you you're completely unhinged. No, it's absolutely insane. And I will say, like, I don't generally get surprised in a comedy, you know? And there were times in this where I was like, she's not going to go get a gun, is she? And then she did. And it was so surprising to me.

That joke, that moment, Lauren, Nicole, that is to me, yeah, this guy knows comedy. Like he's not fucking around. But this is my takeaway so far of what I love so much about these movies and shows is like what you're saying, like you think, oh, the craziest thing that would happen would be someone do that.

And then they do it every time. Or they do something you never would have thought of why are they doing that it's why you can't look away like you can never like i texted lauren yesterday when i started this we were about eight minutes into the movie and i had to start it over like i had to start from the beginning i was like hold up who are these people what What is happening? Did you get clarity upon the second viewing? A little bit.

A little bit. Clarity that I was not going to have much clarity, but it was just so exciting. Tyler Perry loves to introduce characters and not say who they are. It took us several movies to figure out that Medea has a daughter. It took us so long to figure out that Mr. Brown was the dad of the daughter. And then when they're on Meet the Browns, it was like, they seem like they're married, but they are married

in real life. So then they're like, wait, what? I'm now putting all that together because I heard you say that. And I'm like, wait, that is who these people were? Motherfucker. In this movie movie that's not clear at all no not at all movies where they explain that it was only the one with with loretta um what's her last name loretta divine yeah that that where they tell us that is your

daughter this is the father this is what happened but then also in this movie she's wearing a wig that has gray in it so she looks truly just as old as her dad. Exactly. And you're like, wait, what is happening? And also, Mr. Brown did not move the story or aid the movie in any way. But there he was. And I was happy to see him. He's literally there to pick up and drop off Medea from prison.

Yes. That is it. I wonder if something was cut. Let me ask you guys this. With these Medea movies, is there a lot of him playing against him? There are a few times that he is improvising with himself. Yes.

Okay, so he's done that. I was like, this is pretty impressive, like split screen. He has played himself as Uncle Joe. Yeah. He also has been like smoking uncle, regular man who just looks like Tyler Perry in a scene who I thought was great. When he was Tyler Perry,

he was like the right level of straight man. I love when he's Tyler Perry. He's so nice. And like, it's, it always, but always like kind of gets me. Like,

I always think it's kind of funny when he shows up as tyler perry and he's just like no no no the reason we're here you know what it is it's like and i think it's another one of those improv things like it's more impressive to see him as medea to know that his normal resting thing is just so normal that's true it's like it really shows like this dude has range like in this movie i felt like he put himself in as like a regular man because he was like ah shit a lot of things aren't making sense i'll just come in and like say something yeah also he does this incredible thing when medea is released from jail tyler perry as type like a nice man is talking to

these reporters and he literally goes look over there there's medea and it's really like i'm looking at go look at something funny i'm being really funny over there listen to me when i saw that nicole that specific moment i i was reminded again he wrote directed and produced this so while he's improvising he's directing the movie yes he's like at this time and then Medea is going to come down. And it was just genius. This is what's so that's so funny to see. Like sometimes you see it in the bloopers where he'll be like improvising as Medea to purposely direct the scene in a different direction and then wrap it up.

Like you're like, OK, he's like after some long thing he says. And it's like, OK. So I mentioned the Dr.il scene at the end of this movie there's like a boy eight the entire credits is just this scene just them improvising and you know they even show breaking and and but like medea snaps right back into character right right up where she needs to be like uh-huh i i truly i know i was saying as a joke dr phil is the best improviser ever seen but that moment and those takes and Madea in those moments I'm like that is world-class improv well he's had a lot of practice he's always the straight man on his show where someone's like I

fuck ghosts and you say now how do you feel about fucking a ghost no yeah for him it was definitely just him and his in the bag of his show you You know what I mean? That's so true. There's that one moment. I don't know if you remember the one exchange where he's like, so why were you mad at her? And he was like, well, then because she got me, I got to get them. And he's like, but what if you didn't get her and then you ended up getting her and then you didn't get got in the first place?

And they do that little run for like a few seconds. And I'm like, that is not written down that is yeah wonderful improv yeah it's like to the point where i thought dr phil was reading it because i was like it was like oh i had to look up it was improvised word play but i think that's part of his like persona on his show of like little quips and witticisms that like you know tell you i have to say i was on who wants to be a millionaire after dr phil so i was sitting in my like room watching him play the entire time and it's just very funny to think of him as being like a lightning fast improviser

because he was the slowest there was literally a question about change like dimes nickels pennies that you had to go like, is it equal $10? You know, whatever. Like it wasn't that hard. And he had like a woman with him who was like his expert who went to Harvard or something, and they kept talking about it. And they sat on that question for 25 minutes.

And I was like, you just talk it out. Like say it's nickels and dimes. Like, it was just like, so it's very funny that he's very fast. He might have looked great because he was across from a world-class improviser. And that's kind of what we're taught. That's what it is. You want to make your scene partner look good. But I was truly, like, impressed in a way that I was like, you know what?

I think I had in my head what I thought Tyler Perry movies were. And I didn't realize that they were just like his own little Reno 911 where he just goes around and does bits. It's going to be a blast. Okay. Well, we have to do our news media. Yes. News media. You don't have to explain to me.

Hallelujah. I know it all. Oh my God. Okay. Chris Rock discusses how he inspired Boo! A Madea Halloween and its sequel, Boo! 2. Lionsgate's new film, Spiral, from the Book of Saw, executive produced by and starring Chris Rock, was a repayment for the studio using a joke he made in his 2014 satire Top 5 as inspiration for Boo, a Madea Halloween and Boo 2. What? What a life. Okay, I'll tell you what that means. You get repaid in a full ass movie that you want.

That's crazy. Because they stole his joke? So he did the movie Top 5 and it seems like in Top 5 they must have made a joke about a Madea movie like Madea, Boo, whatever. And then Tyler Perry probably saw it and was like, we should actually do that. And then in order to get the rights to the idea, they had to let him do a Saw movie, which is really crazy. Oh, it explains it later. So I played an actor much like myself who's got a movie coming out and it's going up against a Tyler Perry movie called Boo.

Rocks at an interview with LA Times. Of course, we lose out to boo in the movie but the thing is i totally made up boo i made up the artwork and it's all my ideas oh my god so when chris rock ran into a lionsgate vice chairman at a wedding after the films were released he jokingly asked where his boo money was three weeks later studio executives reached out to set up a meeting between rock and veterans saw co-producers which led to spiral okay so what this means is that tyler perry saw this movie yeah and was like oh they wait a minute that's not a bad idea and then just wrote it and he's already a poster why not or he was like oh you think that's funny you think that's fucking funny i really hope that's what it was i'll fucking do it i really hope do it because you know what if he wasn't being petty he would have asked chris rock to be in it like yeah probably i think he was very petty he was

like i'll do it and also do a sequel how about that i love that that's so so so medea does have a halloween movie and a jail movie just like earnest yes there's boo medea halloween and boo too and i mean obviously we're gonna have to watch one of them you've got to watch oh my god don't act like you're not gonna watch every single one of these movies i mean i on my own time i'm watching the oval i will watch anything i'm jealous that you have watched the oval ahead of me. I don't feel it's right. I need to catch up. I'm very excited.

Watching it with my friend, Mateo, who was in town and I was trying to explain to him everything that was happening. And he paused it and was like, Nicole, how I can ask you what you ate last night. And you will not know.

You will have no idea, but you just remembered so many different storylines. And I was like, they're just too wild to not remember. The Oval has 20 individual storylines in the pilot. Yeah. Also, Lauren, it is 25 episodes. They are all in, it's an hour long show.

Oh, wow. Of 25 episodes. I do think his structure of multiple storylines that don't cross over in any way is really production friendly you know like i'll tell you this in the oval they do oh but they start to cross somebody who did something is connected to somebody who did something over here so then you'll watch people on the scenes you're like you don't know each other there's no way you know each other yeah but then they're like okay i was selling drugs. And you're like, well, were they selling drugs?

Like, I was. And you're like, okay. That's a very easy way to make people know each other. You know how there's like a Pixar, like the Pixar story group, and they come up with like the new Pixar movies. Like, I would love to be, I know it's all Tyler Perry, but I would love to be in a room full of people that are figuring out these movies so like there's something about the freedom to be able to just be like oh yeah this person is gonna slap that person but that's the that's the beauty he doesn't need anyone else to weigh in

it's just honestly i hope the way he writes is as medea and just changes his wig and he's multiple people around the world the room and he's like we'll do this and then we'll do this ah Tyler Perry that's a good idea Tyler Perry and he comes out sweating he's like that was a good workout all right but I feel like if Medea were to type the actual script just be clacking god I love Medea also when i was watching the credits i was like i love that the first three credits are tyler perry tyler perry he has no problem with that that i'm almost like just do a full length movie where you play all of the parts i want every single role in the credits to be tyler perry and i want every at the gaffer to be tyler perry i am not writing i am not writing on the reboot of medea or whatever the

medea prequel but if they cast nicole you should play a bunch of other male characters to call oh my god like it should be that you're also in the tyler perry of like playing a bunch of characters but you're just a female you know like what an actual fucking dream yeah rather than actually being Medea you're Tyler Perry turned on his head I love this you'd be like a young uncle whatever uncle Joe

uncle Joe like oh my god that would be so fucking funny love that oh my god honestly I kind of want a movie where it crosses over with like big mama's house and the nutty professor oh my god yeah it totally could and that was what was so fun about this is i was like because he's crossing over with all these other movies and like his comedy and drama are in the same movie i'm like madia could show up in anything yeah anything no

no there's no rules there's no rules. There's no rules. If Madea showed up on the Oval, I would not be shocked. I want to see a movie that is the wrong Missy meets Madea. I would love that. That would be so fucking funny. All we want to do, Nicole and I, is improvise with Madea as this really crazy character. We can't be the straight men we need to be also ridiculous now i know this might not be as i don't know if you can do this or not but are you guys writing

fan fiction for tyler perry this season oh my god i mean we haven't yet probably because there's so much to get through yeah i know it's like how do you even do that? Writing fan fiction about Tyler Perry is like when a very funny person comes to ASCAP and you're like, well, how do you make that funny? What am I supposed to do? You take Star Wars and it's like, you make anyone fuck and it's funny. Yeah, it's fine. But if we do it here, that's kind of like, so they only fucked? They didn't ask him to show his dick or something?

Ooh, maybe I'll write fan fiction about medea going to the moon yes let's do it what are all these creatures doing up here oh my god it's a full moon of course yeah okay we gotta take a break be right back. If you're wondering what a NordVPN is, I'll tell you. VPN stands for Virtual Private Network, a service that protects your internet connection and online privacy. A VPN creates an encrypted tunnel for your data, protect your online identity by hiding your IP address, and allow you to use public Wi-Fi hotspots safely. I'm using a Nord VPN myself. And honestly, it's very easy to use.

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her license is permanently suspended and Judge Maybelline Ephraim, I think I'm saying her name right, places her in an anger management course. Medea arrives home to a party joe through to cheer her up she is an amuse and scares the guests away already i had to stop and restart the movie here like i was just like hold up it's starting with a high-speed chase of medea like yes and i was like okay cool we're gonna be going to jail right away like we're getting right into it you would

think you would really think so meanwhile assistant district attorney joshua hardaway she she gets off because the officers didn't miranda miranda eyes her and she goes yep yep miranda never came laughed out loud it's like talking about her period like laughed out loud about that i straight up was like that is a solid joke morena never showed up that shit was funny and then oh and also in the courtroom where they're like talking and then they cut to the police officers they're all like yes bandages and they're like hold up you about to let her off i was already like okay so this is like a fucking zucker brothers movie where everything's gonna be funny um and then pretty quickly it it um so this is like a fucking Zucker Brothers movie where everything's going to be funny. And then pretty quickly it sobers you up a little bit.

Yeah, exactly. So, okay, we have the district attorney, Joshua Hardaway. He's tasked with prosecuting a prostitute, Candace Candy Washington. Josh asks his fiance and fellow ADA, Linda Davis, to fill in on his behalf since he knows Candace personally. When Josh takes Candace out to eat and gives her his business card for future assistance, Linda thinks he is cheating.

Josh insists he's helping an old friend. When Linda finds out Josh rescued her from a pimp, she gets furious and threatens to leave him. Josh runs into his friend Ellen, a minister and former addict and prostitute.

The old Davis. Josh asks Ellen to help Candace get a job and she gets her an interview. So much has happened in that paragraph that wasn't covered. So much. But I also want to say Candace, Rudy from The Cosby Show. Yes. Yes. Playing the most dramatic.

So let me ask you this. And I don't know if this was on purpose. But of course, we know Bill Cosby, shitty person because of his allegations. I don't know what you're talking about. Lauren, let's hop on real quick and talk about it. Yeah, me either. He just really likes some pudding.

I'll put some stuff in the chat here. Really nice, Jella. Oh my God! But there is this really horrific scene where she wakes up with a man on top of her. Yes. And I instantly thought about Cosby. And I was like, is this? That's sick.

It's really. Did they already know that? Like, was that rumor? Well, I think the rumor was out there. It's a specific choice to go get Rudy from the Cosby show. Oh, boy. It was so dark. That is so fucked up.

I didn't even think about that. That is really fucking dark. And I'll say, I don't know how over the top there is, but there is so much sexual assault in this movie. Yes. It's fucked. It's so crazy. It just made me, I was like, all like all right i'm gonna laugh at other scenes

but also this shit is dark the scene where she's with the pimp he's like sleeping on it's the whole situation's weird he's like sleeping he like wakes up he's like you can't go nowhere clean yourself up and then there's like horn music that lets you know that we're now in a film noir from the 50s yeah and the lighting is also like that, where it's raining and dark, and there's neon lights that give you the light. And I was like, what? You're changing the tone of the movie?

I straight up thought it was a horror movie because she wakes up, and you're zoomed in on her, and it's a slow pullout. So you see this pimp guy. Yeah. And I was like really disturbed by that moment. But then pretty quickly Medea shoots up her party. So you're just kind of like, all right.

Yeah. So Medea consults with Dr. Phil for anger management, but doesn't cooperate. On her way home, she realizes she needs groceries and calls her daughter Cora for a ride. Cora refuses to end her hair appointment early, which I'm like, it's a wig.

There's no, this wig is plopped on this woman. The wigs are bad, huh? The wigs are terrible. Except for Medea. Medea has a stunning lace front, but truly this woman is in a salon with a hairstylist,

like lifting up the wig and like plopping it down. And I was like, that's not, that's not, it's not how anyone ever gets their hair done so medea decides to drive herself uh a woman wait is this before or after no no no medea we skipped when medea ran someone off the road yes so so corinne does give her a ride she pulls up next to this man who's so rude for no reason

she's like you you cut us off and he's like whoa whatever and then Medea steps on the gas pedal as Cora is driving they run him off the road he crashes into a church sign and we never deal with that there's no there's no consequences There's multiple times in this movie, and I'll say Medea's game is somebody fucks with her. Yes. And then you get like a nice wry little smile and then the craziest possible reaction you could ever imagine. Yes. And it happens like four or five times,

and it just never failed to disappoint. Like she straight up runs the guy off the road within one second. Like she puts her foot on the gas and the guy is flying off and leaves this man uh so medea drives herself to kmart a woman steals medea's parking space uh medea commandeers a forklift there's people working on a forklift and medea just gets it and she removes this woman's car and the woman confronts her and she's like put my car down and medea goes oh yeah i'll put your car down she says uh-huh and then she drops this car this uh pontiac i think g6 and she is arrested and brought back to court and she's sentenced to five to ten years in prison and the way she's arrested is outside her home she she has her arms up the wind blowing. And you can see the outline of Medea's body in a way where I was like, I don't need to see how the sausage is made.

I don't really want this. For whatever reason, it's like weirding me out. I don't know why I love Medea's body. I find it like really, I find the details to be very fun. Because he's so tall. So big. And the tits are huge. They're huge

hilarious but I think my issue was I was like Mattia's got a pert nice round butt is it Tyler Perry's or is it Mattia's oh I don't want to know if it's Tyler Perry's yeah that's why I was like a little like oh boy I think it might be T.P.'s butt I don't want to get into it

that arrest scene is really funny because it's like she gets away from the kmart which also i'm like did kmart no one cares they didn't care no but what i mean is did they sponsor this movie like there are a few times where i was like there might be product placement in this movie like there's minute made orange juices in the prison i'm sure and there's this big kmart thing and i'm like, this wouldn't use Kmart. I thought he was going to drive through it, honestly.

That would have been borrowed from Family Reunion. That happens in the Burger King. I watch A Million Little Things on ABC and they during the pandemic episodes, they get a lot of deliveries from Target and it's like their Target bags and they're like, God, it's so convenient.

It's like their target bags. And they're like, God, it's so convenient. Like they, it's like, it's like a target bullseye. And you're like, okay. So funny. I think it's one of those things where they're like, Ooh, Medea is going to go to fucking Kmart.

And everyone's like, let's go to Kmart. Y'all start some fucking trouble. Like I think it's great product placement. Yeah, it is. But when she gets arrested arrested it's like the cops there's like helicopters and hundreds of police and then she basically fights these police

officers and later in the movie when they're on the view and talking about like oh yeah like this woman put falsely put her in jail they're like for a victimless crime i'm like medea has shot up a party like she has she must be she might be on the fbi's most wanted list to be honest like this lady she's done so much so candace is harassed at her job interview and she storms out before medea's trial ellen asks josh how he knows candace he tells her they were childhood friends who drifted apart during their college years. He reveals that one particular night he took her to a party and left with a date. Candace was assaulted

and he has felt guilty ever since. When Candace is at that job interview and she's harassed and she like hits him in the balls, I love that Viola Davis walks in and she's like, I have to do something too. And then hits this man so hard

in the head with her purse, which was filled with things. That was not an empty purse. Did that, was that improvised? Like there was no stunt coordinator that was like, hit this guy with your purse. There have been,

I swear there have been scenes in these movies where like people do physical things that are improvised. And you're worried about it. At the district attorney's office, Josh's best friend, Chuck runs into Linda and discovers that she's falsifying Candace's file and attempt to send her to prison. It's revealed that she used the same tactic on Medea.

Linda blackmails Chuck threatening to tell their boss he cheated on his bar exam. And she's got the evidence. Candace refuses to show up for her trial and returns to prostitution. So at that moment, I was like, is this from another movie? The thing about like, I'm going to tell the police. I that moment i was like is this from another movie the thing about like i'm gonna tell the police i'm gonna i was like is this guy from another movie and this backstory no it's

just a detail he's using yeah you could just blackmail uh-huh um so she's arrested by an undercover cop in the most lackluster way she's like yeah he goes how much and she's like 50 dollars and then she gets in and he's like badge yeah and i was like but like you didn't even say 50 for what like maybe you just like saying numbers you know you're gonna get everyone who loves just saying you know 50 due to linda's falsifying her file the judge gives her 17 years in prison crazy which is wild linda lies to josh and tells him that she tried to be, she tried to get the judge to be lenient, but the case was too severe.

Chuck overhears and almost tells Josh the truth, but chooses not to. I love that Tyler Perry, I think he uses colorism in a way. Like this woman is light skinned on purpose. She is so like the bad black. Like there's something about the casting in this movie that was fascinating to me because again, it's Rudy from the Cosby show.

And then this woman was just so specific. I mean, he does this all the time. Is he casting light skinned women as evil? A lot of the light-skinned women are cruel uh really mean just horrific things happen to them oh my gosh so horrific but also i feel a little bad for her in the beginning when she's like what's going on why are you telling me anything it's like yeah there is a strange woman that you are like it didn't make sense in the beginning but yeah

also i love that she was like detoxing on the couch going through withdrawal because she does heroin and this woman's like you love her and i was like ma'am so crazy so crazy you think they're hooking up or something like this is a bad what is happening at what is happening right now. She's having like comical like I'm in a play type heroin withdrawals where she's scratching her chest and stuff. Yeah. It is so crazy. Why are you jealous? Okay, so while in prison, Medea befriends Candace and comes to her defense

when she is sexually harassed by Big Sal. Candace, Medea, TT, Medea's cellmate, and Donna, Candace's friend, attend a class taught by Ellen at the prison. During a lesson about forgiveness, Medea's cellmate, and Donna, Candace's friend, attend a class taught by Ellen at the prison. During a lesson about forgiveness, Medea tells the class to stop victimizing themselves. This was the craziest part.

Candace is moved by her words and forgives Josh. And then the prison is like also funny. Like this is like where the comedy comes back in. Titi is Sofia Vergara, and she is one of the first female serial killers she killed 18 men uh but she's like an idiot and she has like she's like a flower right in the middle of her head yeah she's just like smiling non-stop and there's really no point to her character but you know she got to have a couple scenes with tyler perry where they're like

fucking around and i'm sure it was fun you know i'm sure it was fun but i will say the prison is both very strangely like clean very clean it's like literally like oh this was the other set like it's just all the same sets um but the the part that is crazy in the prison to me that was maybe the most comical was when uh big sal i believe is that the character's name uh like uh tries to like assault uh candy and they're in like the laundry room and candy and medea comically beat up yes it's crazy candy just punches the air next to big sal in a way where you're like wait what is happening but it's like she slams her into an iron yes she burns her face and wait i'm looking up big sal because i was really curious about this actress me too and so she

is a professional strong woman and former female bodybuilder and she was on american gladiators revival um and she's six one and the only joke tyler perry could think of is that yeah that you look like a man sir and all that stuff i did not like that i feel like he must have grown out of that if he's talking about retiring Medea. And hopefully that is something that he's dealt with. But those jokes weren't fun. But it was crazy when he basically burned the entire side of her face with a hot iron. Yeah. And all Big Sal did was like, maybe not even scream.

And then they put her in the laundry. And then a guard finally says, what's going on? And they're like, tee hee hee, nothing. What was interesting about that scene was Candy was in like a straight up hard drama the entire movie. And now she's doing physical comedy with Medea in the prison. And I liked that. I just thought it was funny that now this character has to live in comedy. It's just like no one would ever do that.

That's never happened. Absolutely wild. And somehow, Madea takes over Viola Davis's, like, prison meetings. And now she's getting on stage and preaching. She didn't say anything good.

Well, you know, Viola, they probably only had her for two days. Yeah. They're like, well, we gotta figure something out. We need something for this montage.

Truly. So on Josh's wedding day, Chuck tells him that Linda falsified Candace's file. Yes. This is maybe one of my favorite things that's ever. So like it's like on his face and he's like thinking and then music is like do do do do do. I was like, wait. I was like, why is the guy's voice like fading out? I was like, this is so weird.

I was like, why is the guy's voice like fading out? I was like, this is so weird. During the ceremony, Josh tells the congregation what she's done and leaves her at the altar. Now, we got to talk about this. This is, I think, one of those things where I'm like, the craziest thing isn't about to happen, right? And it does. They make them read. First of all, her vows suck.

Her vows are just like, I love you. I want to honor you. I'm here for you like the most generic shit and then he says i believe he says i'll always know you're you're a great woman but you are the most duplicitous it's like such a hard turn and i i think when i was watching it i stood up because i was like there's no way i can't believe he went up and walked down the aisle just so he could tell her off in front of the entire wedding. It's such a Tyler Perry moment. He also couldn't read the room.

I was like, this man doesn't look happy to marry you. He was so pissed. That was a fantastic scene. Yeah. So then Josh rushes to the prison where he admits to canis that he does indeed love her but that's like why why my head was fucking i was scratching my head so hard first of all he goes in there before he can even explain he grabs and kisses her no touching you know and then they're like we'll keep doing it a little bit yeah did was like, did he watch Arrested Development?

But to me, it's like a movie where a character has been assaulted throughout the movie. The first thing you do is grab her and kiss her. Right. It just felt so fucked up. And he's like, I love you. I almost, in the movie I'm writing, she'd be like, wait, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, you are crazy. I want to take care of you.

I want to help you kick this habit no matter the dying breath. I was like, this is the weirdest way to end this movie. Like, I don't understand. She took responsibility for herself and now she got a husband? Like, I don't know. Yeah, it really is weird. You should just be alone for a second. After Josh releases information, the public finds out Linda tampered with cases and a movement starts to set Medea, Cand and linda's other defendants free medea candace and five others are released

linda is indicted on multiple charges and sent to prison the film ends with candace and josh walking out of the prison and kissing in front of the press which is wild i was like i don't think that's a thing i don't know he was allowed to be in there as she like got her belongings also i was like did she go into jail in her like sex worker attire and then they like got her some stuff from like the kmart like she was wearing like she had like also her hair was better and i was like why did all the sex workers have fucked up hair and they were dirty i was like they're not sex workers aren't all dirty i mean they kept being like i'm on the streets if you took a shot every time they said the streets you would die you would be dead just die i'm gonna get you up

off these streets what are you doing on these streets i'm from these streets part of the um extremism of tyler perry that like totally if it me if they're on the streets it means they like literally lay on cement to go to sleep like it's like uh-huh it's just like he has had like another character in the past who was um homeless who was just like that that that white guy from that one movie yeah he's just like covered in dirt yeah he's dirty nick he was covered in dirt it's just and then at the end he becomes like a real estate agent or something and he's like perfectly put together yeah it's just like wait you know how they're like, you know, they're like, there are five characters in modern, like the clown and the whatever.

Like Tyler Perry has his own little monoliths of characters. It's like evil white woman, evil light skinned black woman, virtuous black man, black man who's up to no good. And it's interesting to me that I thought in the movie that the guy, the main DEA guy, or the district attorney guy, I thought he was the one who assaulted her. And he was feeling guilty for it. And I was like, oh, that'll be interesting that he's going to have to have his comeuppance and whatever. But it turned out that he just like invited her somewhere and she got it was a weird turn to make him like this fucking angel savior guy anything about it and he felt guilty about not doing anything about it and then there's that scene where candy's like did you know and i was

like are you asking this man if he like orchestrated this assault yeah it was so strange and then like viola davis was like you cannot take that with you anymore and i was like oh yeah and then that woman at the jail who was like you don't know what my daddy did and they're like let it go you don't know what my daddy did let it go you don't know what my daddy did i was like she's gotta figure out something else to say it's I just don't understand the message. I see the high drama. I see the tea. It's very fun, but the message is a bit strange.

And I do think that happens where it's like it's a morality play, but I don't really know what I'm taking away. I get that you're saying she's bad and he's good or something, but what am I supposed to learn from that? I get that there are morals here, but I don't know what they are. Exactly. This movie, in terms of awards,

it did not win any. However, it got a Black Reel Awards Best Actor nomination for Derek Luke. I like Derek Luke. He's in The Purge, one of the Purge movies. Yeah, he's good in other stuff. I'm a big Reel Awards Best Actor nomination for Derek Luke. And I like Derek Luke. He's in The Purge, one of the Purge movies. Yeah, he's good in other stuff. I'm a big Purge head.

And People's Choice Award nomination for Favorite Independent Movie. It's an independent movie? Yeah, I kind of feel like part of his- Oh, I guess Tyler Perry Studios is an independent studio. But that seems like a weird loophole. Well, it is. It's like you're beating out movies that have no budget. You know, New Line was an independent studio for a while,

and they became a big studio after Freddy Krueger and Ninja Turtles and shit. But the thing about Tyler Perry, and I know you guys have talked about this, is that he will fully produce his pilot and then sell it to the network as opposed to have them pay. Oh, I don't know if we've learned that. We didn't know that at all. Yeah. Just learning this.

I think for a couple of his pilots, I think maybe meet the pains and, uh, or meet the Browns or whatever. He's got like at least two pilots where he didn't like get a deal. He didn't like get a deal with anyone. He just made the pilot and went to the network and like, yo,

what's up? I can make the show. And then ultimately, uh, what's up? I can make the show. And then ultimately made it. Just so you know, I was looking up Donna because I thought Donna was like a pretty good actress. I was like, Donna, I buy. I buy everything Donna's saying. Donna usually plays cops. And I think it's interesting that she played a sex worker who was like dodging the cops.

She was an agent on Graceland, NCIS Newleans i remember new york i remember her from um a quentin tarantino i think death proof or something yes grindhouse she's in one of the grindhouse movies um it's funny i recognize a lot of actors in this even extras that don't have any lines you end up becoming like there's a woman at the end who responds to the like she like in the wedding there's a wedding guest that i know is an actress i've seen in a bunch of stuff she has no lines but she just has the most incredible reaction to the tea that's just like wait just one minute was that the district attorney uh is that fran walker is that the district attorney's friend yes she was wearing a different wig and I thought she was a completely different character.

That might have been what happened. It's tough. It's tough with these wigs. I don't know who does the wigs on his stuff. I always think that's such a weird problem that these movies have. It's like, what? You know what it is?

I kind of think, and I noticed this with the wardrobe throughout, everything is moving so fast. When she calls him and he's at home asleep with his wife, he is moving so fast when she calls him and he's at home asleep with his wife he is wearing jeans and shoes in bed they're not in like nightclothes they're not even under the covers they're just in jeans oh my god and then time for you to change just keep going like yeah but then she comes in later buttoning her her shirt like it was off and i was like we just saw that it was the same shirt we know you

were wearing the shirt and then at the wedding i noticed too like the suits these guys are wearing were so big and i think it's just because they're just like we got a couple suits put them on and let's go like i don't think they're fitting anything i don't think i think other than tyler perry i think wigs are getting thrown on lighting is getting thrown up there were scenes where i was like yo you're making this dude look so moist right now because of the lighting setup you have it was very very fun i mean i had a great time watching this movie i they're all fun it's like yeah it's crazy to say they were fun because there were some incredibly fucked up things but it's part of it it's i think it is twists and turns like it's like the cathartic

laugh after the really fucked up scene that hits really hard like i was so happy to see uh that scene with uh uh her and uh dr phil because i was like okay fine we're gonna have a long comedic scene before we go back into this other melodrama. And it it works. It really works. Yeah. Well, the film currently has 29 percent fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes. But what the audience say?

Well, critics did recognize Perry's formula for success. One critic from the time from time at chicago wrote the predictable even absurd twists that the movie takes to reach its happily ever after conclusion are amusing as are the smart ass quips and disposition of perry's popular alter ego and you asked about audiences audiences like the film it has a google audience score of 90 the budget was 17.5 million it landed at number one in the box office its opening weekend with a final domestic gross of $90 million. Wow. Yeah.

No, this I think was the time where everyone was recognizing that these movies are making money. He's getting all these guest stars in them. I think when you get to the Madea Christmas movies or the Madea Boo and all that stuff, these movies start to make more money than you think they are. And this was one that made me really think when theaters come back,

if another Tyler Perry comes out, I have to be in theaters for it. A hundred percent. Because to me, what I think would make this movie even better was just seeing, I want to know

who's reacting to what. Like who thinks that's actually a good like when when medea was like you need to like stand up for yourself i was just picturing myself in a black theater with people being like that's right and i'm like yes this is so fun one of my favorite movie going experiences was i watched the movie players ball in movie in theaters it's like an ice cube movie about a strip club or something. Very crazy movie. But the movie sucks. But watching it in theaters with an all black audience

I wonder if that affects the audience score too. Because it's like people who were seeing it in theaters and had a great time. It would be the most fucking fun to watch Madea in theaters. That scene where like the, she comes down with the machine gun and starts shooting her own party. Like I want to be able to just fucking chop it up with a full theater full of

people. Like, yes. So good. Well, the film is based on Tyler Perry's play of the same name, which toured from 2005 to 2006. And that's also an interesting part of this,

like where these films based on plays, where that's part of the structure thing, where like, it's not a movie structure. It's just kind of going like, I don't know. And I bet this was two different plays. Like I bet Madea goes to jail and then the like DA, whatever, were two different plays.

And he's like, we'll slap them things together. They meet in jail. Maybe, I wonder. I mean, Madea goes to jail. The play is also available. different plays and he's like we'll slap them things together they meet in jail maybe i wonder i mean medea goes to jail the play is also available i know it's on bet plus and i was about and i apparently you can download a free week of it so i was maybe gonna pop on but i didn't have time to watch it before because i was curious i was like what was really from the play yeah we do need to watch a play yes before we get to the end of this season, for sure. Oh, my God.

We've made it to the end. Sean, do you have anything you want to plug? Thank you for being here. I want to plug Waffles and Mochi on Netflix. It's a kid's show about food. It's so good. If you have kids and you want to watch a show that's somewhat funny, but also educational um

watch that and um you know i love newcomers i i'm gonna continue to lobby for you to watch these marvel movies but i'll say there's three phases of movies you gotta watch and the first one's only six movies so i told lauren there's three phases. They go there. There's 20 something movies, but they separate them into phases. So if you were to do like the first phase of the Marvel movies, you could whip right back to Tyler Perry after six movies. It might be nice for us to have like a treat. Like we like earn it, you know, we get to do like, I don't think you could do all the Marvel stuff in one season.

To be honest, I think you'd kill you. I'd be so bad. That's the thing. Because now there's like TV shows, right? No, you don't got to watch the TV. You won't need to get there. You just need to watch Iron Man to Endgame. These are two movies.

Okay, we're going to take that. You know, you don't have to do it, but watch every Tyler Perry thing. We probably will. I'm sure we will. I want you to watch every Tyler Perry thing. I want you to come back. We probably will. Sure we will. I want you to watch every, I want you to watch every Tyler Perry thing. So if it's like you watch

six Marvel movies and then come back and watch all of the Oval season two, you'll be happy. That would be fun. Well, Sean, you're the best. It's time now for our

five hallelujahs segment. I never want to do it because I love when you say it. i always feel like i want to toss it to you and i think people are waiting for me to say i love it it's so reluctant but also a nice time for you five hallelujahs i mean you pronounce it perfectly it's okay so um anyways um so this one comes from eliza marie Casey. The Oval episode. I can't even. I love this podcast and have listened since the beginning because I love Lauren and Nicole.

I was really excited for their Tyler Perry series because I'm also a newcomer to his work. I did a quick search and the very first thing I was able to stream was The Oval. I died. As I watched, I kept thinking, ooh, I can't wait to hear what the girls have to say about this. I was not disappointed. I look forward to your episodes each week because it's like getting together with girlfriends to chat and laugh. Hallelujah to the expansion to 15 episodes. Yes, absolutely agree with that sentiment.

Nothing is better than listening to you guys after a big slog with Lord of the Rings. Just dig in to these movies. I absolutely love it. It's been a treat. It's been so fun. And I'll say this, if you are not cast as the young Medea,

I will quit working in this industry. Thank you. It's just like a change.org petition. So everyone leave us reviews. We're going to read more five-star reviews on the future episodes.

So if you're leaving a one-star review, you're not going to get read out loud. So I feel like you have to leave a five-star one um we'll be back next week with another one of tyler perry's works we'll see you then i'm excited Thank you. That was a Hidgum original.