Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - Temptation: Confessions of a Marriage Counselor (w/ Naomi Ekperigin)

Episode Date: June 15, 2021

Actress, comedian, and writer Naomi Ekperigin (Mythic Quest) joins Lauren and Nicole to discuss Tyler Perry’s Temptation: Confessions of a Marriage Counselor (2013).Follow Naomi on Instagram and Twitter, and check out Mythic Quest on Apple TV and her podcasts Couples Therapy and I Love A Lifetime Movie.Next Week’s Watchlist: Tyler Perry's Madea's Farewell Play (2020)Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and let us know what Tyler Perry hit they should check out next.Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Original. We have a billion dollars walking in and out of these offices looking for love. How do this? We have a standard to uphold. That blouse, it's telling it all. So does your dress. What's wrong with my dress? Can't you even breathe?

How was your third week? Any better? No. That bad, huh? Why am I wasting my time helping old men get a date? I could get out and start my own practice. A marriage counselor would be on my way. Right now, you don't need to be thinking about that. Who's that?

The largest social media inventor since Zuckerberg. He's looking to invest in my company. You run Landover Park. You run there? Every Saturday. With your shirt off so all the pretty girls could notice you.

Oh, you notice me running. How long you guys been married? Six years. I've known him for 19. He's the only guy you've ever been with. We're very compatible. We have nothing

to compare to. It's the second year in a row, Bryce. I'm sorry. My husband forgot my birthday. Does he even notice you anymore? Touchdown! If you want me, then you say it.

Imagine me running into you. If I had a woman like you, I wouldn't miss a thing. Hey! You must be Bryce, right? Yeah. Car. I fell down when Harley helped me out. See you later. Nice to meet you. What are you dreaming about? I don't really dream anymore. What do you dream about? You? I've never seen you act like this. Talk to me. Judith! That boy is gonna hurt you something bad.

I want to feel alive. I want to feel wanted. You never know who you're married to. You start off one way and end up somebody else. You don't know how much I love you. Most women can't handle the kind of emotion that I bring. He gonna take you straight to hell Oh, wow. This is the 14th episode of the third season of Newcomers.

We're working our way through Tyler Perry's body of work for the very first time with the help of Perry Scholars, super fans, and sometimes people who have contributed. There's one episode left because we're doing 15 today. Wow. We watched Tyler Perry's romantic drama. I don't know if there was any romance in this. That's questionable. Temptation, Confessions of a Marriage Counselor from 2013.

Oh my God. If you want to watch this movie, it is available for a fee on Amazon, Apple TV, Google Play, and Vudu. And you can record it on Philo. And obviously we're going to spoil the movie for you. So if you want to watch it first to avoid spoilers, then do that. You might want to watch it, honestly. I mean, I'm not saying because I liked it. I'm saying our guest is incredulous right now.

Before we bring out our guest, Nicole, thoughts on the film? Wow. OK, I got to say, this is Tyler Perry's most current feeling film. It felt like of this moment, it was shot well. Yeah. I mean, it is from 2013,

but like we just watched something from 2019. I felt like it was shot in 2000. Yes. No, I agree with you. I, I, I was guessing as I was watching and thought it was from like 2016,

but it was all based on Kim Kardashian's looks that I was going off of. I was like, her face looks 2016. This is the fourth iteration of. I was like, her face looks 2016 to me. This is the fourth iteration of this face. I gotta say, what a long, meandering movie. And then you get to the juice. And then, boy, the cup runneth over.

It's wild. It becomes so insane. It's completely, it does a 180 in a way that, there no explanation for it there's no justification we don't need it at all i guess um we go from having like the most christian religious character who won't have sex before marriage to she becomes a horrible devil i mean i don't even know sloppy like lady who wobbles around and we don't know if she's drunk or on something or just her hair yeah so mean her mom gets thrown down boy uh we we got to bring our guest out okay our guest is one of the funniest people in the world she's a comedian actress and writer she can be seen on as carol on apple's mythic quest she also co-hosts the fabulous podcast I listen to every week, Couples Therapy, and I love a lifetime

movie. It's Naomi McParagon. Welcome, Naomi. I'm mad at both of y'all. How dare you bring me on to this podcast and have me watch this motion picture? I mean, you think that you are connected with people, you think

that you maybe have a mutual respect and understanding. And then they put you through a process. Because that's what I call that movie. Being put through a process. Have you watched Tyler Perry movies before? I had only seen like a couple Madeas. And then like, maybe Why Did I Get Married?

You know? Yeah. But that was it. Oh my God. His more dramatic works. Naomi's text, because we were texting about it during the movie. But that was it. Oh my God. It was more dramatic works. Naomi's text, because we were texting about during the movie,

we were watching at the same time, and you were actually keeping me going because I put it on initially and then I was like, I got to take a shower. This happened before.

This happened with another Tyler Perry movie. I was like, I put it on, I settle in, and then I go, let me just get myself as comfortable

as I could possibly be and then really do this. And so I came back. And by that point, I was 10 minutes behind you. And you were just giving me so much motivation because you'd be like, oh, my God, the craziest thing happens at one hour 30 or whatever. And I'm like, I can't wait. So it's just it was really exciting to watch it together because it's it's a journey. It is. And no pun intended. Journey's, it's a journey. It is. And no pun intended journey.

Journey went on a journey. Yes, she did. She sure did. This movie is, um, so slow. So slowest.

You texted me and you were like, this movie is pretty wild. I can't wait to talk about it. So I was like, Ooh, baby buckle up every five minutes, just like The Oval, which I am fully caught up in. I watched 30, I believe 30 plus episodes of The Oval.

I am caught the fuck up. I can't wait for July for it to come back. But I thought like things would like be happening and then nothing happens until the last like 35 minutes of this movie. movie well that's so tyler perry but it's also like part of why i was excited for you to watch it is because it's so boring but the things that are happening are really odd like yes just just kim kardashian being there i have so many questions so many in 2013 what she was doing there the question of

do you think it was like to ingratiate herself to her black husband? Was it her trying to get bona fides now that she was going to have brown children? Do you think she was like, I'm really trying to start my career? That's a good question. Yeah, because her kids are what? Probably like six or something.

Right? The oldest one's probably six or seven. That's why I thought she was there. And then Journey, because it was funny, because you see Journey, and I'm like, okay, well well journey kind of came back to us you know what i mean like she was a child star and then she re-emerged wait she was a child star yes do you remember that there was a tv show first of all she was like on full house and everything but then there was like one season of a show with the whole family with the whole small familyett family. Hold on. I have to Google her because I didn't realize this. She's the girl from full house.

Yes. Oh my God. That's wild. Friends with Michelle. Yes. Okay. Oh, yeah.

She's Michelle's black friend. Okay. That honestly, that changes everything for me. That context is really important. Um, I'm here to bring you that background, that,

that TV and film history that makes it even crazier just her whole journey in this movie i i i i i want to get into it so deeply i can't i okay wait and then we have the guy who she has the affair with who is like comes across as like really suave and then within within like, once they start hooking up, he's like the meanest person who ever lived. So mean. And even before they start, you get a little taste that, oh, this guy's too much. And then, but at the same time, the man she's married to, not particularly interested in her or supportive. Forgets her birthday two times.

Forgets her birthday. There are no good options here. Yeah, terrible options also her mother her mother is truly like you are the you are the literal devil to this man and then he was like i am the devil i will rip out this uh apple computer from 1992 and throw you to the ground. It was the thickest computer I've ever seen. I know. Oh my God. No. And then also the part with the whole thing with Brandy,

the whole storyline where we get basically nothing about Brandy for nothing. We have to walk them through this because Brandy's appearance is the most random thing. And the whole time I'm like, what is she doing here with these new veneers? Big chomper. She did

and the pharmacist, little old white lady who's like keeps calling her a lesbian. She is the funniest part of this movie. She's the Madea. Yes. Yes. She's iconic. I loved her. The scene where she was taking all the candy and he's like

why don't you just take the whole thing she's like i don't want the whole thing and then continues to like take more candy yes i'm not describing this well but it was very funny yeah she wasn't she was she was funny but i also was like what is this storyline like why are we getting this pharmacy storyline at all because there was nothing about it she just kept going she's not right she's got something going on she put that hood on you know she had all these like reasons for why something was wrong with brandy and it was like they weren't clear at all and then the reveal that we get tyler perry loves a pharmacy does he yes in the oval somebody else works at a pharmacy like he loves pharmacies he likes to use ideas from himself

he's inspired by his own works right reduce reuse recycle i mean can we get into it because one of the things that upset me the most is yes our one of our leading men is a pharmacist and yet they live and act like he's in a hovel. A pharmacist is a doctor, okay? A pharmacist goes to medical school. A pharmacist does rounds. A pharmacist is trained. And pharmacists make good money. And they were acting like being a pharmacist

was like being a resident or something. Like he just didn't have any money. Completely. And same with Journey's character. She's like low self-esteem or something. And same with with Journey's character. She's like she's like low self-esteem or something. And then Kim Kardashian keeps saying that she's like sloppy and gross. I'm like, no, she's not.

I was like, if anything, she's stunning and just like in a gap kind of way. She looks like, oh, I don't care about, you know, fashion but like she's still a stunning person. Right. Well, because we're going to need to break this down scene by scene. Let's jump into our news.

Medea news media segment, where we will just give you what's going on with Tyler Perry. Now this is big news. And of course, Nicole and I were tagged 1 million times. I gotta say, I feel like Tyler Perry is just giving us news for the podcast. I bet you,

I feel like we stop. Nothing will happen with Tyler Perry. It feels like it because I don't think there was always news about him before. And I also feel like people are like tagging us and I'm like, he might see this connection eventually. I hope so. I hope he realizes how many people

we have brought to his MCU. I hope he casts us in whatever the next Madea movie is. I will be basically any role except clan member. I love that you have to specify it because Tyler would have been like, oh, okay, he's good. And you'd be like, oh, no, I know I only have to be in it for 12 minutes, but I don't want that. But he would have been like, well, what about clan member's wife?

Clan member's wife. Do you want to bring a cake to the rally? Who's trying to get out of it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, but he's coming back now. Tyler, wait, Lauren, that is a fabulous clan member's wife do you want to bring a cake to the rally who's trying to get out of it yeah yeah um so okay but he's coming back now Tyler can you bring wait Lauren what

that is a fabulous idea for Tyler Perry to have a movie where a clan member's wife is trying to escape and Medea helps her oh my god that would be so good

Medea probably run a car through them call it the overground railroad overground do we live? Look, this is how Boo happened, okay? Yeah, I mean, maybe it'll happen.

Boo was a joke and another thing. We just made up a great idea. It's gonna happen. We did. And Tyler Perry will take it and run with it. So Tyler Perry is bringing Medea out of retirement, which is so funny because to me, Medea is not retired at all. She's the forefront of my mind. She was retired in 2019 okay so

that's a really key point it's been we all retired in 2020 i mean i don't think you can say you were in retirement last year you know i feel like yeah because tyler was just making tons of shows that he wasn't in and so he's like medea's retired because he doesn't want covid and then now he's like covid's done Medea's coming out of retirement. New Netflix film is coming. It's called A Medea Homecoming. Now, if you are shocked by this news, I don't know what to tell you.

He will write and direct the film. Absolutely, absolutely. Which is the 12th installment of the Medea franchise. 12. And A Medea Homecoming continues Perry's work with Netflix following 2020's A Fall from Grace, which was watched by 39 million households. And a jazz man's blues, which is expected to premiere later this year.

I mean, Tyler Perry, he's doing it. Not to mention. I opened up my BET plus app because I was trying to find the movie on there. And the first thing I see is Tyler Perry's bra, which is another show he made during this pandemic. A TV show called bruh? And he also has sisters.

Oh my God. Sisters and bruh. And then I don't know if they like intertwine, but they should. I'm sure they are. They probably do. I'm sure Mr. Brown is on them. And there was like,

I looked at his Wikipedia and there's, he's created 14 TV shows. How do we get on his casting director's list i mean my god this is the thing and and what we love is that he shoots everything within a week so you know for all of us we could fit in on our schedule like we can find the days yeah and i doubt there's like positions like you could just do whatever you want while you shoot a tyler perry tv show that takes a month out of your life exactly gail from the oval she hasn't been in all of season two i gotta know where she's at i love the oval which one's gail gail is awful

the oval is you gotta watch the pilot you have the pilot honestly the everything that could happen in a pilot happens but it's tyler perry's drama about the the White House where he recreated 80 80 percent to scale the actual White House and it's definitely 80 percent yeah sometimes you're like the ceiling's low like the ceiling's low it's like weird looking like it's a little wrong someone was commenting I don't know if this was you Nicole who wrote this online or if I read someone else's comment about the oval where they were just saying the the timeline he doesn't care at all about timeline like the inauguration's happening which should be in January yet there are people playing on the lawn like it's like he doesn't give a fuck because he's shooting in Georgia he's like fly in snow I couldn't that'll take time right that'll

cost money he's like I have a budget of 55 now the question is what is a requirement you know that's how you keep that overhead low that's how you make those millions and then the requirement is to have 100 characters that you don't ever name and you just see so many characters follow as closely as humanly possible to try to understand what's going on and who's related to who it's incredible oh he loves it the tyler perry verse truly insane it's it's wide and it it's it's it's truly it's wild and it's a real treat to be to to be watching this i want to be i want to get to tyler perry's end game okay i'm done just end game one big cookout the movie's one giant cookout you have all have all 5,000 characters. Every character. 5,000.

Every single show. The cult is over in the corner. Oh, my God. I'm excited. Okay, why don't we just jump to a break, and then we will come back and get into this plot, because we just have to get into this. There's no time to waste.

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which the title alone, what? Yeah, it's a strange title. But I guess he's trying to be like, even people who counsel people on their marriages can be tempted to step outside the marriage. But the marriage counselor thing is like a reveal. Yes, but I knew going in that something was up. I was like, something's up with this woman.

We knew instantly that there was definitely something happening. And even within the first moment of her telling her tale, I was like, something's up with this woman. We knew instantly that there was definitely something happening. And even within the first moment of her telling her tale, I'm like, it's you? Like, it's just like... But the title, I don't know,

it's a little bit weird. So it's written by Tyler Perry, directed by Tyler Perry, released March 29th, 2013. Based on the play, The Marriage Counselor by Tyler Perry. Oh, key detail.

Yeah, yep. Okay, well, let's see. You want to start us off here? Sure. So a marriage counselor listens to a young married couple, Bradley and Lisa, after he refuses to participate further. Also, it was such like a disjointed conversation

because he was like, I will do anything to stay here with you. And she was like, okay. And he's like, I have to leave. And you're like, whoa. and he's like i have to leave and you're like whoa oh also for the record this is a caucasian couple yes caucasian couple and you have to know that the marriage counselor's office looks like um it's like a place you would go to also to cash a check also to renew your license like one of those government buildings very gray it's a really weird office it's a really weird office.

It's a very strange office. And also I felt like he was trying to serve me like Mariah Carey in Precious, where it was just like kind of sloppy and sad. And she's like, I'll tell you something. Completely. And you're also like, okay, so instantly you're like, do I care about these people or not? I can't tell if I'm supposed to.

And you don't need to at all. No. They are just a framing device. you don't need to at all. No. They are just a framing device. There is no need to have them. That we did not need. It was nothing to frame. Didn't need it at all. Didn't need to frame nothing. You didn't need it at all.

You could have just even seen that woman sitting in the office by herself. Like, I don't even know. You don't even need that. Writing her last will and testament. But then. Yes. That would have been interesting. But then you don't get the M. Night Shyamalan twist at the end.

You're right. If it's not set up for you couple tyler night shamalan i'm sorry the marriage counselor notices a change in the wife's demeanor and assumes she has met someone else and decides to tell her story to tell her a story about her sister judith but it's so it's so it's such a crazy leap because like basically that woman's like i'm i kind of want i'm not sure if i want to fix it and so it's so it's such a crazy leap because like basically that woman's like i'm i kind of want i'm not sure if i want to fix it and the guy's like i really want to fix it then he marches out and then she's like you met someone else you like them more you think that they're gonna be better for you and she was kind of like yeah it was so it was such a leap so we're taking

back in time which also wasn't completely clear to me. Yeah. How far back? We don't, I'm talking once I, I mean, when we see the ending, when, uh, the Bryce has gray hair,

I'm like, yeah, how long ago was this? Exactly. Also, but you have a child that's four. Exactly. They gave you,

they aged you up for no reason to look like Ernie Hudson. Exactly. You very much. Oh my God. Yeah. He doesn't very much have a toddler. Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck about timelines. Also, this childhood, I was like,

is this Black Forest Gump? What is happening? Real Black Forest Gump energy. Yeah, you're very right. So, okay, we go back in time to follow Judith and her childhood sweetheart,

Bryce, as they grow up. So we watch them go from like age four, seven, get married. They move to Washington, D.C. This is why it's too long. I'm sorry, Lauren. I shouldn't be interrupting you. No, no, no. Please interrupt me. up so we watched them go from like age four or seven and i get married they moved to washington dc long i'm sorry lauren i shouldn't be interrupting you no no no please interrupt me

all the time it was too long and then she's like sneaking out of her house to to see him the mother's like we didn't need it though we didn't because what we come to find out is that bryce is not the right man for her ultimately so it's like why do i need to know they have this history i can understand that from someone just saying we've been together since we've been friends since we were little and we've been together exactly also exactly so she's narrating it and she was like so Bryce asked for my hand in marriage and my mom reluctantly said yes and then the mom goes yes and I was like wow the reluctant yes was the craziest thing I've ever seen. She was like, all right. It was so weird.

So, okay, Judith, they get married to move to Washington, D.C. Judith becomes a therapist and works at a matchmaking agency. And we need to just talk about this, okay? So, wait, I'm sorry. Where did you say they moved? Because I had no idea what city they were in. They're in D.C., which I don't think was made clear at all. Okay, now let me paint you a picture.

DC looks like 1940s Baltimore. The way they have dressed this, everyone's setting. Uh, Bryce owns like a jalopy pickup truck. Even the pharmacy is like, so old Woolworths kind of thing. Like it's super old vibe.

It's, it's got this kind of, especially with that start, which is basically the Mariah Carey Always Be My Baby video. Just them, you know, as children being in love

and you're like, okay, this is 1960. That's the energy there. But so yeah, she goes to matchmake. It's like she's a matchmaker, which feels really current. Yes.

And then Bryce, the husband, works as a pharmacist in this like old timey pharmacy. It says that they're in two separate time periods. Yes. Absolutely. He's old-timey.

She's somewhat current. And then Vanessa Williams. No, we gotta talk about her. So she's French for some reason. She starts out French. The French, it's so unclear. She comes and she's like to Kim Kardashian, which is also a crazy thing. Oh yeah, Kim Kardashian's there. And she's like, bonjour. Good morning Kardashian, which is also a crazy thing. She's like, Kim Kardashian's there.

And she's like, bonjour. Good morning. I'm like, we know what bonjour means. Like, give me some credit. Like,

I don't need that one translated. But like, she's French and her accent is really bad. This does have a payoff later. Not payoff, but it has a review. Another M. Night Shyamalan twist.

She's forgiven for not having done any dialogue training for this. Because there's a point to that later. It was terrible, but no one, but everyone acts as though it's not. This office is supposed to be sleek and fancy. And Kim Kardashian's in a flesh-toned bandage dress. And she is just, she is monotone and mean. Monotone and mean. She's like, why do you dress like that?

Why are you wearing that? She's just insulting Dream. Her in a movie was distracting because I was like, very few normal people speak like this. Yes. A monotone baby. She sounds like a sad baby. Because it's like,

why are you dressed like that? This is a job about looking good. And she's so obsessed with her with journey not being dressed well enough and i had no complaints about anything she was wearing i did not i also had no complaints and she says at one point she was like the way you dress is a reflection on me because if you dress badly people will think you don't have any friends and we're friends and i was like she's like and i would have my friends dress like that I was like this is all contrived so Bryce meets another

employee Melinda at work and that's Brandy and she reveals she's on the run from an abusive ex-boyfriend well she's starting

her first day at the pharmacy and she's and then of course old old white lady does she have a name the fact is Tyler Perry's

white people are always cartoony so this woman is at a central casting for a 1947 soda shop pharmacy there should be a show called Tyler Perry's white people are always cartoony. So this woman is at a central casting for a 1947 soda shop. There should be a show called Tyler Perry's white people. Oh my God.

The pharmacist didn't make our cast list. I don't know her name. I looked it up. It is Renee Taylor. And I just love her. She's been in Taylor. She's got 90. Yeah.

Her real name is Renee Taylor. I don't know what real name. That's her real name. Yeah, she's got 90. Yeah, her real name's Renee Taylor. I don't know what her name is in this. I don't think she had one. That's the whole point. She is just unnamed old white lady who says stuff. No, no, no. Okay, her name is Ms. Waco Chapman. What?

Stop. Waco Chapman? Is it a hyphenated name? No. What? What? No, that's not a single name. is it a hyphenated name no what no that's not a single name her name is Ms. Waco I believe is her first name and

Chapman is her last name Waco Chapman this character could be called woman or we could name her an insane name that's what happens when you've written 5 000 characters yeah you know what i mean the only name left is waco chap exactly he's run out of them

he's like oh god i used judith four movies ago but i feel like people will forget you know oh my god okay so uh also when she's like running away from her ex-boyfriend, she like puts her hood on. I was like, who are you, Jessica Jones? Like, what are you like going to like avenge people's death? Like, what are you doing? And then she was like running through the streets and then she gets home. She gets in her house and she's like holding a baseball bat. And I'm like, who's in there?

And her home is from 1942. Thank you very much. The fridge has not been seen in any place I've ever been in my entire life. It's a white box that's probably four feet tall, but it is shaped around and is from a 1950s home. And the oven is like literally four inches wide and is a piece of shit. And everything is covered in dirt. Everything is dirty and sushi. It's sushi. It's like, it looks like, like, I feel like she would have been in dirt everything is dirty and it's sushi it's

like it looks like like i feel like she would have been in what do you call it what was that shirt the triangle waistcoat fire like 1900s tenement energy is what i'm saying yeah something went wrong there recently but it's a very old apart i don't know why it's it's it's so it's it's so weird it's like choice i don't like i't know why. It's so weird. It's a choice. I don't like, I always hate when people like show that someone's poor by making everything dirty. It's like,

that's not accurate. Like everything's going to be covered in dirt. Yeah. You can get thee to a thrift store and find some really cute stuff. Yes.

And then, I don't know, it was just like maybe mismatched furniture. I don't, there was another way to. There are ways to show that. Show, yes.

That she's on the run. Or instability, like maybe she doesn't have much stuff or something. Exactly. You don't have to also be poor. You're already on the run. And she ends up having too much going on as far as I'm concerned. I completely agree. Okay. Judith is dissatisfied with her job and eager to start her own business. But Bryce tells

her to wait until they're doing better financially. Bryce takes Judith out for dinner at a $5.99 buffet. I think she even said it was $1.99. Did she say it was the one? Oh, because that was the $5.99 and it was the upgrade. Yeah, but he was joking, but like not. But again, this is the thing.

I get that they're supposed to be like two country kids, but again, Bryce is a pharmacist. You need to say this. In what world is a pharmacist as broke as they are in the movie? Judith works at a fancy office as a matchmaker for rich people. She doesn't need to go to a $1.99 buffet. I was like, wait, what is happening?

I know. Who are these people? Jobs do not line up. But also, did you notice how Judith really hated her job but also didn't hide it ever? I was like, why is she still here? She literally was like, huh? You want to meet somebody? That's sad.

You can't just go meet somebody the old fashioned way. Like she was so, I was like, if I was Vanessa Williams, I would have fired her. Like she wouldn't even made it into the door. Cause she literally was like. I think it was like, she hates it because she's like, I'd rather talk to people who are already married and having issues. Right. Oh my God. She wants to be a marriage counselor

so judith one of her clients that she meets is harley okay she meets him at work and he attempts to seduce her as they work late on matchmaking surveys he's a black tech billionaire he's kind of reminding me of what's his name from the wire. One of them skinny boys from the wire anyway. And he is just like suave, but also has serial killer eyes. Absolutely. He's definitely creepy and really, really pushy.

So when Harley questions the absence of sex in the surveys, he's like, you talk about religion, you talk about relationships, you talk about this and that, you don't talk about sex. Judas says she does not believe in premarital sex. And he tells her that her sex life is boring so she's like i'm christian

and i don't believe in premarital sex he's like so you're telling me that man you're with is the only man you've ever been with and she's like yes and that's fine and he's like and you get into your bed and you lay down and you fluff the pillows and you just do it in the bed and she's like what's wrong with the bed and like they just go before that pour it in. It's so crazy. And then she's totally affected. But for conversations that are meant to be titillating, and I need you to know these are shot in shot, reverse shot, static. Everybody is sitting. There's not a music.

It's the most, that's what makes it so slow. Because you're like, am I supposed to be impressed by him? Because y'all ain't even shooting this in a way that looks dynamic, let alone what he's saying is nothing special. It's so true. Like, I don't get why he's supposed to be so alluring. Like, they don't show anything about his personality besides the fact that he's a little bit forward with how he talks about sex.

And then later you're like, oh, he's a piece of shit. Like, nothing about him is good. Also, Judith comes home, slams her husband against the wall and she's like, fuck me like an animal. And he's like,

what? She's like, she's never tried to express herself that way. So she's like, they're like in the kitchen. She's like, do it like, like,

and he's like, you can growl at this sandwich and we'll have sex later where we fluff the pillows, pull back the duvet. He says it's like, you can growl at this sandwich and we'll have sex later where we fluff the pillows, pull back the duvet. He says it exactly like he does. Exactly what Harley said in the previous scene. And then I was like, is that man stalking her? I was like, did he like hear it and then repeat it?

Because later we find out he's, you know, we'll get there. Tyler Perry doesn't trust anyone. Meaning he thinks his viewers are dumb as brick so he has to have one person say it in the previous scene not even a callback honey it's just a repeat and then literally the very next scene it is i'm gonna do the thing that the guy said do you see how the guy was right yeah we may be like the guy yeah i mean that's that's a tyler perry style not to keep talking about the oval but but there's a scene where the butler, I can't remember his name, but his wife cheated on him and had a kid.

And then he's like, who's the father? She's like, I can't tell you. He's like, who's the father? I can't tell you. For maybe two minutes. Who's the father? I can't tell you. And I was like, this is not a scene.

You can't do this, Tyler Perry. Just get in and out. Like, we know what they're getting at. So redundant. Okay, so Bryce forgets Judith's birthday and doesn't notice that she changes her hair. At work, Judith receives flowers and believes they're from Bryce.

Harley appears and notes the change in her appearance. The flowers are actually from him. And also, this is the second time he's forgotten the birthday. This is the second time her husband has forgotten her birthday. You need to set up Google calendar alerts to give you a five day warning to

prepare something. There's no excuse. If you miss it once you gotta figure out how to never miss it again. Exactly. And I mean for a marriage counselor she is not handling her business. Do you know what I mean? Because that's something I would have been like I have been hurt by you in the following ways when you forget my birthday.

Like y'all need to be, for people who have known each other your entire lives, it's crazy that you don't communicate. That's the part that didn't make no sense to me. Y'all went through puberty together. It's also crazy that he forgets her birthday. You've known her for like your whole life. Right.

So you know your birthday and her birthday. Those are the birthdays you know. It should be like Christmas. Like you have that one memorized. So at home, Judith is petty and leaves a cupcake with a candle on the counter. Bryce realizes his mistake. And then he like takes out a hat and he sings and he dances in a cowboy outfit. This was so weird.

What was that? And that like really worked for her. Yeah, I was like, Otis Redding, great. I love him. What a beautiful song. But like, you forgot my fucking birthday exactly and i had to remind you by passive aggressively leaving a cupcake yeah and then they like reconcile and everything's fine and i was like i don't know about this

i didn't like that that's all so judas so now i hate bryce by the way i'm sorry i hate bryce the moment he forgets her birthday yes you have to hit everyone hate everyone. But, okay, well, this is the thing. I'm like, for a movie that's supposed to obviously teach me about the sanctity of marriage and the importance of living by Jesus's principles, the husband is trash. Yeah. That is, by the way, like, that's where, as it goes on and on, you go like, I guess the moral is not to cheat. Like, it's truly like, that is very clear. So, Judith's boss janice sends her to new orleans with harley to finalize a deal with shareholders now this is when they're on the

plane he like comes over and tries to like spread her legs yeah i was like this is really uncomfortable she said no several times she's literally said no he says fine you can you've said no at least you could say you said no and i was like sir it was a really fucked up way to rape somebody unfortunately yes like it was like she was but then she's turned on but it's like i mean you know it's an extremely complicated situation you know put in the guise of it's extremely simple but it's like actually there's so many layers to that but what it is is he goes like, he's so pushy. She's saying, no, no, no, I do not want to do this. And then he goes like, well, that's now basically in the transcript that you said.

Right. It's on the record. You're not going to be in trouble with your husband when we now continue to have sex. It was like, well, yes. But here's the thing. Do you remember, though? I have to go back to this moment because this is the first time we realize he's crazy. So early on, they established that like harley and judith

have run across each other literally like they both run in the same park every morning yes yes you're very fit so then there's a moment when he's like oh yeah i'm there 8 a.m every saturday whatever so then you see the weekend where judith gets up on a saturday morning and like goes and like pretty much pretends to start running so she can bump into harley but see and this is how you know god is not into this because the moment she started running with him a cyclist knocks her over and breaks her foot or something well she runs into the cyclist it is but harley literally is prepared to beat this man to a pulp but accidentally hitting the girl who ran into him so that's how you that's

your first flag yes like harley you and she's like harley stop but then i think she like kind of likes it because she's supposed to like it because her husband wouldn't fight well that's what's so complicated at night the gang at night oh that was another one where earlier in the movie there's some guys who say so who like catcall her basically, and she's extremely offended. Her reaction is so crazy. It's a dark street. These like three or four guys say something to her about her being hot or whatever.

She's with her husband. She goes like, come over here and say it to me. And then like is going insane about it. And Bryce is like, let it go. It's okay. And then they get home and she's like, you do need to let it go.

Like, I mean, I don't know. That one was just so weird, but I think that was the exact, you know, A to B sort of, he's like this, this guy's like this. He's like this. Oh my God. This very much reminds me of every Lifetime movie I watch. I was thinking about this. I was thinking about this. You have to watch a lot of people do

insanely dramatic things. And just say, and just say like, make up stupid reasons for doing that. I mean, yeah, no justification. So,

okay. So then what happens is Judith's coworker, Ava, who's Kim Kardashian gives Judith a makeover in new Orleans, Judith and Harley complete the business deal and go dancing and sightseeing when their sightseeing, they go to cafe Du Monde and he feeds her a beignet and I was like

no. No. The powdered sugar will go. No. It's already the messiest food. Exactly. And also just in general feeding someone. Yes. In public? No thank you. I don't want anyone putting anything in my mouth. Lauren I was like honestly worried this movie was going to induce labor.

Because I thought that your fetus was going to be like, I want this to be over. I need to get out. And my stress is high. God, it could have happened. On the way home, Harley and Judith have sex in his private jet. Okay, so that's when that happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's after the trip. Okay, so that's when that happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's after the trip.

Okay, well, I forgot that. It's like after Kim Kardashian gets her dress to go on the trip. So now she's fancy for Harley. She's fancy for him. Which is also so disturbing. So then he takes her home and he meets Judith's mother, Sarah. He comes up in his shiny red Corvette

or whatever it is. Yeah, it's a Ferrari. Oh, Ferrari. Shameless. Like literally is like, hello, mom. You know? Truly. He's like, I'm the new one.

Hello. And she's married. He's right there. He's right there next to the mom. And she knows she has just been forced into sex with this man. Oh, and her hair's all messed up after that. Yes. Oh, this is great.

Her hair is messed up a lot in the movie. I'm like, wait, why didn't you just brush your hair after you had sex on the plane? Yeah, why didn't you do anything to pretend that you didn't just have sex with this man? Yeah. Also, Bryce tries to kiss her, and she keeps her mouth closed,

and I was like, you're not hiding this well. No, no, no, no. So unhappy with Bryce's inattentiveness, Judith, oh my God, sneaks out to meet Harley and they have sex again. He demands that she leaves Bryce and offers to help with her business. They get into a fight and Judith leaves. This is wild because she sneaks out while her mother is at her house. Thank you.

While Bryce is there. And she like goes to have like a full romp with this man I know like making food and I'm like how much time has passed I know it doesn't make any I'm like oh no oh no yeah I was like this movie is like three weeks long like or something like the changes that

happen and oh my god it's insane but it's the thing that also like made me want to vomit in my mouth is he's like I'll help you get your business started. One condition. You got to be mine. And it was just like so gross. I was like, you are literally like being owned by this man.

Why would you take the money of a stranger, a rapey stranger, who says you have to belong to him Judith I know you're from the country but god damn you went to college well and it's like the second person she's had sex with so she's like and then the fight was confusing because I can't remember what he said but she's like

screw you and then like throws food at him she pushes him she like moves his chairs and I was like this is wild he's a psychopath because what had chairs and i was like this is this is a psychopath because what had happened was he was like you know because he's like you know be mine and then she's like what about bryce like how do i get out of this right and he literally is like get the fuck out of here i don't want to play these games she literally like asking you how do i consciously

uncouple and he is like get the fuck out of here. And she's like, what? He's a psycho. He's so psychotic. I just wish someone had shown her like, okay, Cupid, or something to be like, if you want to have an orgasm, you have other options. Oh my God, please. Yes. So Janice

fires Judith after finding out about her plans to go start a new company with Harley, because basically he's like, I don't want to do this app anymore. I want to make a marriage counseling center. Judith comes in and she's like, I'm giving you my two weeks.

And then Janice is like, actually, today is your last day. And then she's like, good, whatever. Also, I found out you're from Georgia and you spent two weeks in France and you got this dumb ass accent. And I was like, Oh,

and then she was like, get out of here. So like her, her accent completely changed. It was so crazy. So, okay. Bryce discovers Judith is having an affair and begs Judith to return to

him. Judith chooses to stay with Harley. Bryce goes over to Melinda's where she comforts him. Wait, wait, wait, wait, that. Is that before? Is that, that's the montage of insanity, right? Because

there's a montage where literally it is just Bryce and Judith having a pretty woman moment. And he's just like buying her things. And she's wearing glasses. She's so happy that she's rich now. And I found it to be like the saddest character. like i was just like

you are so superficial like she just was like yay i don't care who i hurt now i have a dress and i'm in a car it's like i don't understand i don't understand and it's also so confusing because i was like you actually had all this available to you before not maybe this level of wealth he's a pharmacist i'm just gonna keep you doing fine and then they get into another fight where judith is like in her closet or what oh because he says something to her and she was like why does your mom leave you in a crack house again oh well that's that's her what's his name oh harley oh was that am i too am i too oh yeah we haven't gotten there yet,

girl, because that's, after we find out about Brandy. It's starting to pick up. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Sorry, sorry, sorry. We have a couple more scenes in the Maccabins.

Oh, so this is where he goes to the party in his pickup truck and she's like strung out with him? Yes. Okay, so they go, they're at like a fucking like orgy,

like opium den. At his house. His house. Oh, that's his house? I thought it was in his den his house oh that's his house i thought it was no that was his house filled with every every every extra tyler could round up in atlanta it looked crazy blue lighting it looks like a club and they're all like on the couch and judith is suddenly like like yeah it's like i don't know what happened to her, but she is blonde women on either side too. So then it's like,

it's Judith in an orgy with Harley and the two white girls. It was super weird. It was, and it was such a leap, but then Bryce tries to take her and then she like, she pushes them away. And then another blonde lady comes out of nowhere and she's like me. And he's like,

get away, get away from me. And I was like, what, what is this party where you enter and then people go okay well i have to fuck this new person totally so judith chooses to stay with harley which is a nice way of putting it they have a very sad fight she's like out there she's like i like literally she went from like i've known him my whole life and he's my best friend to like i hate you and your trash and he's like i like literally she went from like i've known him my whole life and he's my best friend to like i hate you and your trash and he's like so she becomes pure evil which we know tyler perry loves to do he's like if you're not sure i'll make it very clear you hate her now like it's just like there's no gray area ever embrace is so sad he says if you come home with me right

now i'll forget about all of this i was was like, you're going to forget picking her up at an orgy? He forgot her birthday twice. He could probably forget that too. Fair. Bryce is like, he has like memory loss. And it's like, we need to address this. He's like, don't worry, I'll forget this. And she's like, hmm, weighing my options.

Okay, so Bryce goes over to Melinda's where she comforts him. Judith returns home to pick up a laptop and is surrounded by her no that's not yet where it happens no but when Melinda comforts him he like tries to kiss her and she's like hey stop it we're not even attracted to each other when she said we're not attracted to each other I was like you know he's not attracted to you like I don't know it was just like a funny thing to say like wait what are you doing you're being crazy i liked it it made me laugh because it was just so like what is he doing and i thought okay tyler isn't totally out of his mind because i didn't think we could live in a world where literally because the way they set it up too it's like i mean first of all melinda's brandy right and brandy didn't come here to not be wanted not be loved right and that would have

been like they're gonna get together right and that would have been like they're gonna get together yeah and that would be an upgrade for her she's trying to escape this bad relationship and he's like really stable and boring and that'd be great so okay judith returns home to pick up a laptop which is random and she is surrounded by her mother and church members in a prayer circle sarah grabs with her harley's with her and he loves he sees all these women in a prayer circle and he starts laughing like he's like ready to fuck shit up they are together they're the devil yes then the prayer circle is like you're home she came back she's home like what they've been praying for had happened and then they're both like get the fuck off of me and they're both like, get the fuck off of me. And they're just like storming through. And then Harley knocks down Sarah.

So hard. And forces Judith to leave. He flings her onto the ground. It's old lady. And at Harley's, Judith is outraged by his treatment of her mother. And so she's like slowly rifling through her clothes, picking out which one she wants to take. I'm like, just grab whatever.

Like, it's like, get out of there. Why did you even ride back with his ass? You what i'm saying right he left mama on the floor just stay there picks her up but then they go back to fight with each other it's like stay at your house you need to be in the middle of prayer circle okay quite honestly she needed the prayer seriously and then he assaults her after she attempts to leave and this is very brutal it is this is where he was like you knocked down my mom and then he's like whatever and she's like sorry that my mom didn't leave me in a crack house when i was a baby and then harley i'll say this this actor he did a really great job of like

turning literally fucking insane like you saw him go through the motions of like yeah oh i'm incentive like this i'm angry i'm angry i'm gonna fuck you up yeah i was like oh he's scary yeah he was terrifying but it's also like because at first when they're fighting they're both kind of pushing each other right at first she's going upstairs and like there was something about that fight where i did feel like that was very before it gets violent where he's like come up the stairs then she's walking up the stairs and she's like i'll go upstairs if he's like come up the stairs then she's walking up the stairs and she's like i'll go upstairs if i want to go up the stairs like the way you be saying shit when you just like want to prove that you're like you don't tell me what to do even though

you're doing the thing the person wants you to do um so at first i was like okay is this going to be something but then of course it became dark dark dark terrifying because because then he also says he goes i just love you so much when you don't have my back it makes me sad it's like yes it's like what is insanity it's like have my back you knocked my mom on the ground like how much time has passed you love her so much has it been two weeks i know i know i know there's no time no time at all uh all. So Bryce has dinner with Melinda. She reveals. Now here's, here's this, we gotta talk through this reveal.

Yes, yes. So they're at Brandy's apartment. Yes, her dirty apartment. Her dirty 1942 hovel. Yeah, she makes like one egg on the stove and they're like having dinner or whatever. I don't even know what she made. And then like, she literally,

out of nowhere. Out of nowhere. In a moment of silence no one has prompted her with any question yes she's like I have HIV and he's like what I have HIV my ex gave it to me Harley and then Bryce goes

no and then he goes he screams he screams in her face Judith Judith Judith about the woman who is not present he is screaming at melinda the name judith like that is something okay but i would have been like harley who i know a harley harley there's multiple people named harley you definitely have to give the opportunity for it to

not be the person that your wife is now with. And you also just need to have some compassion and be like, I'm really sorry that happened to you. Like it was like he jumps right to like flipping out about his own life. Yeah. And then she says something that like bugged me. I was like, this is wild. She was like, I knew that my ex was cheating on me and sleeping around. So, you know, i essentially i knew what i

was messing with and it happened and i was like that's my part yeah yeah she said that's my part in it and i was like no no no that's an insane way to describe it maybe he was trying to like normalize being hiv positive but like that's not it That's not the way you do it. Well, also I'd say this though, you want to normalize being HIV positive? Don't have the girl living in a 1920s tenement. Totally. In the dark, in the dirt, you know? Cause I felt like for something you were trying to like

make a dramatic reveal. It's like you made her such a, I mean, she was positive or upbeat, but her whole situation was downtrodden. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I just have to start a new job and I got to walk in the dead of night and put my hood up. It's like, okay, this is not it.

And by the way, for somebody who was running from Harley, Harley didn't seem to be worried about it. Harley was just doing his thing. Yeah, Harley didn't give a fuck about her. He's moved on. He's extremely wealthy. He's totally fine and has never thought about her again it's and i mean and i guess is living with hiv as well but we don't know that about him and we assume that well that's why he gave it to her but it's like so what you know this

brings back a lot of the issues that we've talked about with like the way men and women are portrayed where it's like he's thriving even though he is pure evil yeah brandy is like sweet and nice but like struggling and it's like what am i supposed to and like and all the women are abused and everyone it's it's just it comes up a lot yeah yeah it's yeah i don't know the lesson we're supposed to learn so i don't know i don't either but it's also so he runs away but here's my other thing, too, though. It's like. I was very surprised. For me, I was like, OK, this is a thing to give Brandy a moment.

I never I was like, there's no way Judith Miss Good for Jesus. Judith would have had unprotected sex with this guy. Right. Well, maybe she's only had unprotected sex because she's only slept with one person. She was like, and this is what we do for everybody. Oh, my God. You're right right maybe maybe somebody didn't talk to her about condoms so bryce breaks into harley's place with melinda and finds judith in the bathroom truly just passed out she's in the bathtub beaten bloody yeah beaten unconscious and you're and you're like where's bryce bryce is nowhere to be found so after taking then he picks her up he picks up uh what's her name judith judith and she what i had a really hard time with was that she was like

completely beaten and in this tub and then he picks her up and she's like hi and then even the back of her face moved like that i was like, it seems like it doesn't hurt. Is she drunk? Yeah. That's the thing. Was she supposed to be like on drugs or drunk kind of the entire movie when she gets with Harley? Because that was the thing too,

because she felt more wasted. I think so, because she would stumble around a lot. Like she would get out of his red Ferrari and like stumble inside and you're like, okay. So after taking Judith to his truck bryce goes back into the house and wakes up harley who is just you know taking a real deep snooze after beating up his woman he got tired he got tired you know i guess face down on the bed across the bed in full clothing yeah that's like how evil he is and when he wakes up he, he's like, who's here? I don't know you.

What's going on? So then Bryce beats him the fuck up and throws him through a window. I gasped. I was like, this is nuts. It's so nuts. Oh my God,

it was so crazy. They fly through this window. But didn't you feel like this was the part, like once that Brandy reveal came, like what I imagined was Tyler Perry was sitting here writing this movie you know he sets a timer for 45 minutes and he like just realized he was like oh man i'm this is going too long i gotta wrap this up and then he just made everything happen within the last 20 minutes this is like my d goes to

jail where my d doesn't go to jail until the last 30 minutes which is so wild her to the jail i thought this was the joke like come on um so he bryce beats harley until he's like fully unconscious stopped by melinda as harley regains consciousness he calls out to melinda whose real name is karen and he's just like, Karen, I knew you'd come back. And I was like, sir, that's not it. But Bryce threatens Harley to stay away from Karen and Judith, and they leave. Now, in the present day, now this is where I really...

I fully forgot. I fully forgot we were even in this device. I got mad at this point. So, in the present day, the marriage counselor, the marriage counselor, anonymous marriage counselor, wraps up her story and Lisa wonders how it ends.

That's the white woman. She's like, how does it end? She's riveted. She's crying. She's like, but how? This is an hour long session,

50 minutes at most. And you're up in here giving this? She was like, and what happened to them? Like she couldn't care more so the marriage counselor tells her that and this is the most like morality play type thing ever in the world the marriage counselor tells her that judith contracted hiv as well but not bryce lisa thanks the marriage counselor and decides to stay with her it's literally she goes i'll end

all in the relationship i'll stay with my husband I couldn't leave him what's gonna happen is you're in love with this other man you're gonna get HIV and your whole life's gonna fall apart it's like the craziest version of what can happen but maybe she'll just be happier with this other man it's like who knows what's going on with Lisa

also condoms yeah wear a condom come on Jesus so the marriage counselor is revealed to be judith and if you didn't know that by now yeah if you didn't know this at the beginning she looked like she's looking like journey's sister and she got like 27 siblings so i'm like are they related because she's already looking like her anyway but then and then when she's like you know is judith she's like yes she's hiv but she's still alive and so then after this very long i mean i'm hoping judith didn't charge for the session and then she leaves and then by the office maybe it was like a five dollar session or something

it's like one of those sliding scale joints definitely and then judith like also again how much time has passed she's dressed like a geriatric she's so old and she limps she shuffles around she shuffles to the pharmacy where bryce still works to get her hiv medicine he's now so old 65 he's old but brandy is also still there and is still there melinda still there but what i kind of drove me nuts was that bryce is played by the same actor melinda's played by the same actress and care or what's her name judith is not and i think that was like to throw you that is to throw us off it's like they should all be different then. I don't even know. But I'm still going like, why is Bryce, he has now a gray wig.

And then his new wife. And a prosthetic nose. Yes. He did. It was like, what? It was so confusing. His new wife comes in with their child who's like four. And you're like okay so i i and

the and the pharmacy looks the same so it's like what has time passed he's in charge now right so obviously waco chapman died and now he owns it because his dream was to own a pharmacy yes waco chapman passed away. She ate too much candy. I realized at that moment I had seen this very clip of them. Not clip, like meaning it might have been on TV. And I saw this part where it was like, she gets this old, this girl goes to get a medicine. I forgot her name was Waco Chapman. It was so perfect that you remembered it. It really made me laugh.

It's insane. Oh my God. I remember her like getting her medicine you know what I mean and he's like if you need and like again because nothing can be subtle

it is literally him going I'll do whatever he's like I'm always here for you Judith and then he's leaving this beautiful stunning black woman

and her little boy and then Judith kind of waves at the boy but then you're like does the woman know who Judith is the woman had no idea who Judith was. And the woman's like 35.

Right. So his life is like restarting with this young woman. And Judith like hobbles out. You win the whole credits. There are five and a half minutes of credits over Judith's ass hobbling with her HIV medication. That is how this movie went. The women have HIV and the men

worked it out. The men get to thrive. Bryce didn't get it. Bryce is not dead. Lisa's like, what about Bryce? She's like, no, he didn't get HIV. This is

so crazy. That's it. She goes to church to meet with her mother at the end and the credits roll as she as she walks down the street married to jesus married to the one man she can trust i need years to be put on this i need time stamps like this is 2019 this is 1949 like tell me when it would have been nice to be like when is this shit happening it it made me like i said it lauren before you came in nicole i was like it made my stomach hurt i found that ending to be so depressing because if anything yeah what i wanted was the knowledge like bryce and judith weren't right for each other like they never got to grow they were in like she acted out

and what she did was wrong right and like i would have been totally down if she was like i found god and i realized i treated you wrong because i know he got in there you know i'm saying but did she have to get h the no she didn't immunodeficiency virus she didn't have to why i mean i'm and be alone and sad and hobbling yes that's the thing too alone her life was just so tyler framed it as a punishment and i don't think it's just something that like happens that i think is what made it feel so bad because it was like every time it came up it was like and that's because i cheated and it's like wait wait wait wait this is like not indicative of like a moral decision or something right it has nothing to do with anything right so it just it did feel like really negative to

put it in that light and i just thought it was it seemed really easy in a weird way like it's kind of like okay like it just wasn't thoughtful yeah it was also like it's okay if your husband doesn't remember your birthday and doesn't really talk to you if he's a good christian man you make him dinner totally yeah they should have made bryce like better as a husband to really make it feel like then i would have been like okay well there's somebody to root for there was no one to root for you can even root for melinda because you were like what's the hood what are these boots is she fucking robin hood wait the boots like oh my god wait was she wearing the same boots at the end because she had these yes son she was like wearing the

same outfit with a big skirt yeah so all these years she did one shoot day brandy did one shoot you know that you know that's true she was like one she half the day in a pharmacy the other half of the day in the small apartment that's a hundred percent of fact there's no question that's so true and they were like we only need one costume you're right so i mean okay let's jump into some of these awards so the the film won kim kardashian won a razzie for worst supporting actress okay great and tyler perry was nominated for worst director oh that's good the film currently has 17% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes with a critic

from the New York Times writing limp pacing and countless shots of Washington's skyline plague the narrative and yeah we all missed

where it was yeah we had no idea but audiences liked the film for the most part is a Rotten Tomato audience score

of 66% the budget was 37 million and it grossed 53 million domestically. Okay. So not one of his best. Not one of his best. No, no, no.

37 is way more than he spends in general though. Yeah. I'm surprised it was that much. Oh, maybe it was Journey. There were like five actors in four locations. Maybe Waco Chapman was really expensive. Renee Taylor is, you know, she's been in the business a long time. She has a high rate.

And honestly, she should get it. She should get it. The trivia from this movie. So while filming a pivotal scene between Judith and Bryce, Lance Gross slammed the door of the truck so hard the window shattered. Which guy is that? Bryce. When they're fighting outside the party.

Yes. Jeez, that's really aggressive. You see it happen. They kept that take. Well, that's really aggressive. You see it happen. They kept that take. Well, there's probably only one take. One and done. Right. But also, that means real glass got on him.

And now I'm worried that he didn't have the on-set medical. There was no medic. There was no medic to call. They said, you'll have to keep shooting. He said, okay, fine. He said, okay. The film is loosely adapted from Perry's 2008 play, The Marriage Counselor.

And Tyler Perry wrote the role of Ava specifically for Kim Kardashian. Because he watched The Devil Wears Prada and was like, Giselle, she was stunt casting as an assistant. I'll stunt cast Kim Kardashian as an assistant. Oh my God. That is so true.

Wow. So I'm trying to figure out how long it took them to shoot this because a lot of times that's one of our trivia things and I love it. I can't figure that out right now, but it was shot in Atlanta. I do think he took his time on this. So it was shot in Atlanta at Tyler Perry Studios. So that's also one of the reasons why the city stuff always feels weird. Yeah. And the rooms

and the apartments are very much like the way you would shoot good times. Do you know what I mean? Like you've got three walls and it's like

tied in and I'm like, okay, this is all like a set of a 100%. Yeah, very good times energy

but really just bad times. No. Naomi, does this change your um opinion of Tyler Perry movies would you watch another one will you watch the oval you know these are the questions absolutely not okay I'm still mad at both of y'all and that's why I had to keep talking because I said what else am I here for because they done broke me down with limping ass, old version of Journey.

And I said, this is the saddest shit I've ever seen. And I swear to God, when it cut back to her finishing the story to the white girl whose husband walked out, I screamed. Because I had fully forgotten that this was even a conceit. We did not need that at all. No, not at all. Even knowing later that what happened to her character, I don't think was necessary. It didn't give you much.

Because it was just so kind of, I don't know. Just depressing. Made me feel weird. Sad. It could have just been enough for Bryce to have moved on and her to feel bad. Right. That would have been enough without the implication

that all she has is her mom and God now. Not that having your mom and God isn't enough, but it's, you know, wasn't what she wanted. But I think Tyler Perry really, I think he wanted to like twist the knife that there's only one pharmacy in town and she's got to see Bryce. That's so brutal that she has to go to that pharmacy.

You're right. Oh my God, yeah, why did she go to that pharmacy? And the amount of time that's passed now, since she looks much older, and she has a whole different head, it's like, you're like, wait, so why is her life never got anything going for it? Except she became a marriage counselor.

That's it, that's it. The unmarried marriage counselor who tells everyone, she tells every single patient that story. Every single day she tells that story. Every single day she tells that story. Just to convince them to stay together. That's it.

Yep. She's just telling people to stay together. How depressing. Yeah. This movie was really depressing. Yeah. I feel like my love of Tyler Perry is a little bit waning

I really loved Madea but then like the last couple Madea movies we saw I was like there wasn't thought behind it and I didn't feel like Tyler was being caring with Madea I'm genuinely saying this no it's true because I think we were like really we came into it like super

open minded and we were like finding things to love with so many of them. But there's just, some of these movies are just like, they're ridiculous. Like, and you have to admit it. Like,

it's just like, this is absurd. The storyline of this, I like the absurdity in some of the situations. Like I like, even when Brandy goes, I have HIV. I was like,

okay. Like it was like, there's something about it. That's like so blunt and like not connected to anything that you're like, that's kind of fun because it's, he's, he just follows his impulses. Right. But then you want, then you, when, after you've watched, you know, 14 of them, you long for

some like structure and you know. Well, didn't you say though, Lauren, at one point you were like, Brandy's in a different movie that we don't get to see. Oh yes. Yes. Well, didn't you say, though, Lauren, at one point you were like, Brandy's in a different movie that we don't get to see. Oh, yes, yes. Because you see her at work, and then you don't know what's going on with her at all until she reveals this whole thing at the end. And you're like, why is this woman? So for like an hour, I'm wondering what her deal is. And I'm like, where is she now?

What's she up to? Yeah, it was as if Tyler Perry was like, I do have a B storyline, but it's going to actually be like a Y storyline. It's going to be so far away from the A storyline. We'll get back to it when we get back to it. But like, why? But then it's also, but to me, I hate that kind of stuff where it's like, then why Brandy? It could have been any old person from the Tyler Perry verse. You know what I mean?

Like any old actress. To me, the moment you put in like such a recognizable like pop star i'm like okay something's about to happen something yes it's like it does set you up to think something's gonna happen let's like on when like svu like there's like a celebrity who's like being like okay they're the killer or whatever whatever but like it feels like that like we were like okay something's gonna happen with her character but then you don't see her for so long that you're like, or not. There is a world where he just throws her in there because he wanted to. Because she was in Atlanta that weekend. Right.

Instead he said, I'm going to give beloved Moesha slash brand new Norwood HIV. Because she, I just, it blows my mind. And blame herself for it. And blame herself for the HIV. Yes HIV yes she blames herself for staying with someone who cheated on her Tyler we gotta talk about this one yeah yeah

that was dark I agree well we are coming to the end um you know which I think is probably great for you Naomi but do you have anything you'd like to plug well look if y'all listen to these two talk about Tyler Perry you can come to I love a lifetime movie don't play

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And you're on Tuca and Birdie. You have a lot of things to do. Yes, promote it all. Tell these people where they can find you. Come visit me. I'm hanging out on Instagram at Blackdress Comedy. Mythic Quest season two is out here on Apple TV. I'm out here trying to podcast, hun.

I'm opening for Nicole at the improv. Yes, you are? I mean, we out here. Yes, in Irvine. Nicole's so kind. Hold on. Let me find the date. June 25th, 26th, 27th.

Yes, yes. Great! So this will come out in time for people to go get those tickets. That's great. Well, it is sold out. But they may release more tickets because I think June 15th

everything is like open again. Yeah. So I don't know if they were like half sold. I don't know. Just look. There sold I don't know I don't there might just look there might be more check it out check it out that's gonna be a good show it's gonna be very fun I can't wait well it's time for

our five hallelujah segment it's my favorite thing and I like refuse to say it I just keep talking till Lauren says it I always think maybe this time and then no I have to say it and this yeah i keep talking till lauren says it i always think maybe this time and then no i have to say it and uh this one comes from curly chirly 11 five stars love this podcast hi lauren and nicole i love this podcast and i've seen most of the movies in all three seasons and i enjoy your takes so much i listened to the star wars season three times in a row and still

belly laugh when nicole says hanslo. Listening to the Tyler Perry season, you guys point out a lack of reactions after big moments. And I think it's because in a play, the act would end after the wine bottle. So he just cuts the scenes in the movies the same way. Anywho, love you guys. Can't wait to listen to the rest of the season. That's a great point.

Yes. Thank you, CurlyChurly11. And then we have one from KeyMib and it's called Hallelujah. Wait, what? You guys are living in my brain rent free i'm a big fan of your pod i anticipate your new episodes weekly i'm having way more fun listening to these recent reviews of the mcu and i love that even after watching this many of tyler perry's productions you are still as confused as i am about the character relationships am i going to dig any deeper to understand oh hell no the fun is being confused but still can't stop watching keep up

the good work you guys it is very nice that we consume a lot of stuff and are still confused like Star Wars still confuses me Lord of the Rings still confuses me I have no idea who's related to who oh I don't know Star Wars either no we've done as much research

as people possibly could and yet we're still lost everyone out there write more reviews for us we'll pick more to read we have one more episode left so give us five stars it helps the show and we'll be back next week

with our final Tyler Perry episode boy boy oh boy it's the end of an era yeah I'm like pretty bummed but also so thankful

that I was introduced to the oval that I'll talk about for the rest of my life oh my god I'm like pretty bummed, but also so thankful that I was introduced to the Oval that I'll talk about for the rest of my life. Oh my God. I'm going to watch the Oval. I'm going to watch the Oval. Oh my God. I really liked the pilot. I thought it was so crazy.

So I am going to watch that. I need some things to binge. It gets crazier. And I'll just tell you this real quick. We've seen the scene where the first sun throws come on this doctor. The scene after. Okay. You just said something real crazy like it was matter of fucking fact the first son is really sick he's not okay um and he

like jerks off in front of people and there's a scene where he throws his cum on this doctor who very calmly like leaves the room she well she was like like, please stop, please stop. And he's like, I can't, I'm sick. And then throws it on her. And then the scene after was truly like Tyler Perry being like, I don't really know where to go with this. Because everyone was like, he did something to her. Is she okay? What?

Oh, no. I can't. You can literally see that he didn't know where to go after. I'm so upset. Why do you keep upsetting me the pilot alone had them enough crazy shit in it that i mean just the stuff that happens is so insane all at the white house and you're like yes like the like the first lady and the president the president's yes the first lady and the president are kicking each other's asses right before the inauguration ball and like they're beating the president are kicking each other's asses right before the inauguration ball. They're beating the shit

out of each other and then the reveal is that they're the president and first lady. You're just in this hotel room and they're like punching each other and then someone's at the door like, Mr. President, it's time for the ball or whatever. That's your part, Lauren. It's time for the bye.

They're pretending they can't hear the fist fight happening on the other side of the door. It's just truly wild. Well, Naomi, thank you so much for being here. Thank you. That was so fun. You're welcome. Okay. I was going to say thank you, but I just don't know.

No, no, no, that's fair. No, thank you guys so much. So good to see you. And I am forever changed.

Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you. That was a Hiddem Original.