Newcomers: Scorsese, with Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus - The Irishman (w/ Grace Spelman)

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

Q: What do you get when you put Robert Di Nero, Joe Pesci, and Al Pacino in a 3.5 hour Scorsese epic about the life and crimes of Jimmy Hoffa? A: The Irishman! Nicole and Lauren are joined by... writer Grace Spelman to celebrate Di Nero’s platform shoes, the newest de-aging technology in cinema, and give special flowers to Ray Romano (Spoiler: Everyone loves him). Follow Grace: Instagram, TwitterNext week tune in for our next episode covering Killers of the Flower Moon (2023)!Like the show? Rate Newcomers 5 stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Nicole and Lauren to read on the pod!Follow the podcast on Letterboxd.Advertise on Newcomers via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at and California Privacy Notice at

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is a HITGUM Original. Frank Sheeran. I said that right? Yeah, you said right. Under the contract, management can only fire a driver on very specific charges. So, do you have a show-off plate? No. Do you have any moving violations? No.
Starting point is 00:00:23 Do you drink on the job? No. Do you drink on the job? No. You ever hit anybody? On a job? Yeah. I don't think so. Alright then, we don't have nothing to worry about. I want you to meet my cousin Russell Buffalino. How are you?
Starting point is 00:00:39 Hi, nice to meet you. It was like the army. You followed orders. You did the right thing. You got rewarded. A friend of ours is having a little trouble. A friend at the top. Back then, there was nobody in this country who didn't know who Jimmy Hoffa was. Take the gun! Get the gun out of his hand!
Starting point is 00:01:03 You always charge a guy with a gun. With a knife you run away. So you charge with a gun... With a knife you run. Hiya Frank. Would you like to be a part of history? Yes, I would. Big business and the government are working together,
Starting point is 00:01:19 trying to pull us apart. Something's gotta be done. What else he say... Now's not the time to not say. We're going to war with these people. War. Things have gotten out of hand with our friends. You gotta sit down. Everybody says so.
Starting point is 00:01:40 No, I'm not sitting down. I can't do it. It's what it is. What it is. I know things they don't know I know. It's gonna happen. Either way, he's going. You know, I don't... I don't care whether you did it or not. That makes no difference to me. Yeah, I know. I'm here to defend you, right? Right.
Starting point is 00:02:15 What do you want, though? You want to know if I did it or not? It's another episode of newcomers. That's a really good theme song. I think that definitely needs to be a theme song. I'm Lauren Lapkus and I'm insane. I'm Nicole Byer. We're so deep in this. We're going through the filmography of the director. I'm not as concerned. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Starting point is 00:03:06 We've watched so many of these movies back to back, and I feel insane. It's not how they were meant to be viewed. It's not 100% years. You're supposed to have years between each movie. Yes. Our producers are here as well, Ali and Anya. We're going to do 10 episodes.
Starting point is 00:03:24 You know, he's got a lot of movies. People actually, when they're coming on, they're listing movies that we haven't even seen. as well, Ali and Anya. We're gonna do 10 episodes. He's got a lot of movies. People actually, when they're coming on, they're listing movies that we haven't even thought of. We don't know. We haven't even thought of, heard of, never. We don't know, but we have the most essential that we believe are the most essential,
Starting point is 00:03:36 according to our producers, from his long career. So we can't get to everything, but today we're gonna be discussing the longest film of Scorsese's career, which I guess is a good sign, because we still have some more to go. So at least it's not getting longer. Based on Charles Brandt's book, I Heard You Paint Houses,
Starting point is 00:03:54 it's 2019's The Irishman. Oh. It's available for free on Netflix. So that's cool. And you could also pay, if you want to watch it on another streamer. But obviously we're gonna spoil the entire film from top to bottom.
Starting point is 00:04:10 It'll take 12 hours. From top to bottom. No. We're so excited for our guest today, Grace Spellman is a comedian, writer, and music aficionado. And also one of our favorite people on Twitter. Well, I guess it's known as X now. And according to her letterbox, she sat through all 209 minutes
Starting point is 00:04:28 of The Irishman twice, and then I guess a third time for us. Welcome, Grace. Hello. No, no, please don't have to have three times. Hi, guys. You know what? It totally hit me that, like, you're right. People wait years in between these movies. Like, they're supposed to be years.
Starting point is 00:04:43 You want longing. You want to be excited and be like, they're supposed to be years. You want longing, you want to be excited and be like, what is going to happen next? We are just like binging like it's Queer Eye and it's just not... It's not as uplifting. No, no, no. There's more murder. Yeah. A lot more murder. Wait, did you see the episode of Queer Eye where Karamo brought a man in a wheelchair to see the man who shot him and put him in the wheelchair?
Starting point is 00:05:07 Yes. And I don't know if Karamo was equipped for that interaction and I was like, oh wow! That was so intense. They're doing that type of shit on Queer Eye? Yes. Oh yeah. They're pushing the envelope. There's a lot going on.
Starting point is 00:05:22 And Jeremiah Brent is now going to take over for Bobby. So I'm pretty excited. I love Bobby, but he's leaving. And they love Bobby. But Jeremiah is great. Did you watch Jeremiah and Nate's show? Oh, I love them. They're so sweet.
Starting point is 00:05:38 They're so cute. Do you watch that stuff? Oh, Nate Berkus. Okay. I know who that is. Is this your friend? I only watched the Irishman. So I don't know what that is. I watched seven minutes of the Irishman every day. That's what I've been doing for the last five years.
Starting point is 00:05:55 Ooh, wait. Well, Grace, what is your relationship to the wonderful Marty? Uh, I love, I love a lot of his movies. Like I think the first one I ever watched was The Departed. But when I was like in high school, my mom sat me down to watch The Age of Innocence. Have you guys watched that one yet? No. No.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Oh, I'm so excited. It's not on our list. No. But maybe we'll put it on our. I get why it's not, but it's like, it's the Scorsese, and I know this is probably, this isn't progressive, but it's the Scorsese for girls. It's like, it's all about, it's got,
Starting point is 00:06:32 it's the whole drama is about like, Michelle Pfeiffer's getting divorced, and what does that mean in 1800 society? And Daniel Day-Lewis stands up for her in front of all of these like New York nobles, and went on a rioters in it. And it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous. It's for girls.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Oh, that's a good sell for me. Yeah. Why isn't this on our list? I know. I was like, I was looking forward to hearing what you guys thought about it because it's just, it's truly like, it's like tender, softest, beautiful. Oh, it's great. It's great.
Starting point is 00:07:00 We failed you as the best. We went back and forth so many times. It was so hard to choose Ken. And that was like, that one feels the least like Scorsese, which actually now is like, we need that. Daniel Day-Lewis sucks on a foot. He sucks on a foot. He sucks on Michelle Lewis's foot. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. You've officially sold me. I guess I'll be putting this on after I've given week. I need to finish this season and then let weeks pass and then maybe I'll be able to watch. Please wait before you watch it. Um, but no, I do like his movies.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Um, like it's one of those things where like to be like, I really liked the departed and while Wall Street was good, it feels very like a film bro, but they're really great. And I really liked shutter Island too, which people didn't like, but I'm from Massachusetts. So I liked it. Um, and I watched the Irishman, uh, like you guys probably before the, or maybe no, not you, not the hosts, but everyone else before the pandemic with my mom, like around Thanksgiving. I think it came out around Thanksgiving and I don't remember anything. This is exactly my memory. So it was on Thanksgiving. I was in Germany on Thanksgiving of 2019, and I had sushi and had terrible food poisoning.
Starting point is 00:08:12 And I was vomiting and pooping, and then my husband was gonna watch the Irishman while I was doing that. And so my memory of the Irishman is that I would come crawling out of the bathroom and I'd be like, it's still on. And then I would be like, I'd out of the bathroom and I'd be like, it's still on. And then I would be like, I'd lay in the bed and I'd be like, I'd like wake up a little bit like, it's still on.
Starting point is 00:08:30 Like it was like, it literally was like, he watched it for 24 hours. I know it was three and a half hours long, but it was the longest three and a half hours because I was so ill. I didn't see The Irishman when it came out, obviously, but John Millheiser watched it. He lived with me and somehow I avoided watching it when he watched it. And then his parents came for Thanksgiving and they were staying with us and he put it on for his mother and I was like, I don't think your mom wants to watch that. And then every 20 minutes she came in the kitchen being like, this movie is still not done. And John would be like,
Starting point is 00:09:03 yes, okay, so go back and watch it. And I was like, you're punishing your mother. She doesn't want this life. I mean, yeah, that's honestly. So then now what are we feeling after we've seen it now, Nicole? Just a quick brief just to jump us into this. Okay. What do you feel? I will say I really liked how like I paint houses
Starting point is 00:09:24 or whatever was like, I like how that appeared. I heard you paint houses or whatever was like I like how that I heard you paint houses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's insane. Oh, we were I see that but I like that that hooked me. I like the music and then I was into it for the first like 20 minutes to 40 minutes and then I was like, okay, okay, okay. And then it was just so long. And then the end, I liked the back end. The middle was like a little, like not meandering, but I was like, wait, what's going on again?
Starting point is 00:09:56 And I kinda kept zoning out. And I tried really hard not to be on my phone, but I kept zoning out and being like, oh wait, I'm watching a movie. And then, you know, every time Joe Pesci was on the screen, I got so happy. He's great. I had, you'll go ahead, Grace.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Oh, I was gonna say, I had a hard time with my phone too. I had to watch a portion of it in the bath, because like on my laptop. Oh no, I took it to the bathroom with me. I was carrying the iPad around my house while I was doing activities. So I was like, if I just sit still for three and a half hours, I won't get anything done.
Starting point is 00:10:26 I have things I have to do and I do wanna watch it, but it is possible to do laundry while you watch this movie, I will say. And dishes. Yeah, oh yeah. You can do other things. It's very long and I... That is important, okay?
Starting point is 00:10:42 We have said this about many films that we've watched over the course of this whole podcast. I mean, we've watched Marvel movies that are three hours long. And we've watched a lot of things that are very long. This is so long. There's a lot about it that I liked. And it was reminding me of the older stuff that I loved. And then I was going, wait, why is it going? Like, and then my other thing that I really can't wait
Starting point is 00:11:07 to talk about is the de-aging process. Yes. That was used. I wanna know more about that, but it was fascinating. The de-aging process, I was screaming when he like, when that man like hit his daughter or whatever, and then he went to go beat him up. And I was like, this is a old man beating this,
Starting point is 00:11:26 just an old Robert De Niro. And I said, whew. Did you not love that scene? I loved that scene. I did love that scene, but I was like, get a body double. We're far enough away. This is the thing. Well, here's what I was so intrigued by, because I was like, so in Goodfellas, which we loved, he plays Ray Leone as like multiple different ages.
Starting point is 00:11:43 And you're like, we can go, that's what movies are. We can believe this other actor is him when he was 12, this is him when he was 20. It's like, yeah, we get it. I think because the technology arrived, it was like, oh, we should just de-age. But then there's a part with, um... Was it Joe Pesci's wife or somebody else's wife where the character is a different actor?
Starting point is 00:12:04 Mm-hmm. Yes. And then someone's like, well, then why did we do that with that guy? Because it was too hard. Because the boys have to play! And who gives a shit about a woman? I know. But it was very, very interesting. So I can't wait to get more into that.
Starting point is 00:12:18 But let's start with our segment, Spotting, where we see... Wait, wait. First I want to say this. I feel like Scorsese really embraces filmmaking of the time, even if he's doing period pieces, because Gangs of New York is so 2000s and then this movie is so like of now. And then Goodfellas is very 80s, or 90s or whatever. And I was just like, oh, it's so interesting that his films really do capture the era that they were shot in and the era they're meant to be in, in a very interesting way.
Starting point is 00:12:52 That's why I like him. He's like a tiny old man who feels so young in the way that he makes stuff. Because I wanted to know about the de-aging too, so I watched a video and I guess some guy went up to Marty and is like, we have this new technology. It's like for de-aging and we use it for Star Wars and stuff and Marty was just like sure I'll try it or whatever which seems like you know for a guy who's been around for so long and has made so many great
Starting point is 00:13:12 Movies you think he'd be like no we're doing it my way. We're doing it. My way or whatever But then he just he like used it. I mean do I think it worked not all the time It didn't work because it just simply didn't work, but I do feel that it's, I like, I agree with you that I thought it was really cool that he's down to try new things. And also I read that Al Pacino's performance was entirely CGI, which doesn't make any sense to me. I need to know what that means.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Wait, what? This is some, some, well, maybe it's just a blurb. Let's get some facts. Yeah, get some facts in here. Yeah, I'll let Anya and Ali Google that so I don't talk while doing things. But we'll get back to that. So, okay, this is our little segment called Spotted
Starting point is 00:13:52 where we see if this movie has any of the following celeb sightings. Do we get one of Marty's boys? Do we get Robert De Niro? Doi. Harvey Keitel? No. Yes. Wait, yes? Yes.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Shit. Yes. And he looked good. I said yum, yum, yum. Shit. Yes, and he looked good. I said yum, yum, yum. Honestly, I will, it's insane, but like, yes, this movie was three hours. Yes, the acting is great, but I was like, my men are in here. We got Harvey.
Starting point is 00:14:16 I didn't realize that was him. Yes, he looked good. I wonder if they de-aged him. He looks cool. Do we get Joe Pesci? Yes. Ooh, and he was sleeping in that car. You look good. I wonder if they de-aged him. He looks cool. Do we get Joe Pesci? Yes. When he was sleeping in that car, I said, I wish I was driving with him
Starting point is 00:14:31 and my little girl was sleeping next to me. And when he was really old, I really liked what he was doing. I thought his acting was great at the end when he's like super old. Leonardo DiCaprio, no. No. And that's coming next for us, I believe.
Starting point is 00:14:46 But do we get- It's coming for us. Do we get Marty's mom, Catherine Scorsese? In the film? I don't think so. No, yeah. No, I'm yet- And do we get Marty himself?
Starting point is 00:14:56 We often miss him as a weird Waldo. We miss him all the time. I was looking for him in this and I couldn't find him. But I- I don't know. But then it was so long. I probably forgot too. Yeah. Is he realizing in real time that Catherine Scorsese passed on in 1997. So we should probably stop.
Starting point is 00:15:13 Oh no. I know. Oh, okay. Well, that's sad. So did we get Marty in this movie? I don't think any of us caught him if he was appearing on screen. I hope he was running in the background and we just like missed him zipping.
Starting point is 00:15:31 He was like, you know, he's like, got to catch me. So this is interesting. The film marked the ninth collaboration between Scorsese and De Niro. In addition to Scorsese's fourth collaboration with Joe Pesci, his first with Al Pacino, the fourth between Pacino and De Niro, and the first between Pacino and Pesci. Oh! So they, I mean, that's really exciting.
Starting point is 00:15:57 I always think this is so cute how they get to do all these things together and it's so fun. And then it was the first time Pacino and Pesci worked together, that's interesting. That is interesting. Oh. Yeah. Well, they had a great time, I assume. Well, that makes me think it wasn't CGI.
Starting point is 00:16:17 But there was something, I read something about that. So let's see if there's any facts. Wait, have you guys seen the behind the scenes photo of them in their different height shoes? No. No. Oh my God, have you guys seen the behind the scenes photo of them in their different height shoes? No. No. Oh my God, can you guys, I have, okay. I looked at it yesterday.
Starting point is 00:16:30 I need you guys to see it. It is so funny. Cause I guess, whoever, what is his ass, whoever Pacino played is short in real life. So De Niro had to wear these like giant shoes and there's a picture of them standing next to each other. I'm looking at this. This is hilarious.
Starting point is 00:16:45 They look so funny. They look insane. I don't know why he's standing. I've only seen those used on stand-ins. Yeah, same. When they have to match the height of the actor, but that's so funny that he's just wearing those in the scene. That's like not easy to walk in. No. For an older man wearing platforms all of a sudden. He looks so emo.
Starting point is 00:17:07 He does. He looks like it's his style and you're like, oh. These are so funny. So funny. Oh my God. I'm truly, I'm simply about to pass away. I love it.
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Starting point is 00:19:50 pictures like Dune, they cover it all. Be sure to listen to Unspooled wherever you get your podcasts. We're back. The Irish Moon was released November 1st in 2019 in theaters and November 27st in 2019 in theaters and November 27th, 2019 on Netflix written by... That's actually kind of interesting, isn't it? That was before the pandemic, but they were just immediately putting it on Netflix.
Starting point is 00:20:16 Like, I feel like the pandemic was what changed a lot of that model, but maybe that was like something too. Well, I think since it was on Netflix, Netflix was like slowly doing theater releases and then pivoted back to be like, no, no, we're Netflix. You stay at home. Yeah. Yeah, it was like, there was a little bit about this when I was reading about the movie
Starting point is 00:20:36 that it was like the first big film where Netflix was like, we want it to be less than 30 days that it's between it releasing and going to streaming. And a lot of major theater chains were like, then we do not want this movie because we're not going to make our money back. And so it was like a big issue for them. But obviously Netflix got what they wanted. I can't imagine sitting through that in the theater. I mean, that's so long. You're going to have to show me some car crashes or sex or something for me to stay in there for three hours.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Yeah. Three and a half. Three and a half. Three and a half. Really, it's long. That's just, I just was like, it's a mini series. Yeah, break it up. I wonder if, no, they absolutely didn't,
Starting point is 00:21:20 but I was like, in theaters, they should have had like a cute little intermission. They should have. I know, well, I always remember with Titanic that there was an intermission at my theater. And people love to tell me this wasn't true, but I'm like, it really happened. Are you sure?
Starting point is 00:21:33 Because on the VHS, it's a two VHS-er. So there is an intermission when you watch it at home on VHS. I remember the theater I was at, and I remember going back in after the... I swear to God. Somebody out there is gonna say this happened. I feel like it did.
Starting point is 00:21:53 It was long. It is, it is such a long movie, but it's such a wonderful love story. It is. And when they fuck in that car and it's all steamy, I said, ooh-wee! The hand, that's the hardest. Yes!
Starting point is 00:22:06 Yeah. So the Irishman was written by Steve Zaliani. Okay, so the film opens in the early 2000s in a retirement home where Frank Sheeran, Robert De Niro, reflects on his life as a mob hitman. I'm kind of in at this point. I'm going, I didn't think that's what it was gonna be about at all from what I heard
Starting point is 00:22:24 when I was like throwing up and stuff. I was like, oh, oh, oh, what it was gonna be about at all from what I heard when I was, like, throwing up and stuff. I was like, oh, okay, it's kind of like these other ones, which we... which I was, like, missing from, like, the path we've been on. So... We flash back to Pennsylvania in the 50s with Frank, a World War II vet, working as a truck driver for a meatpacking company.
Starting point is 00:22:42 He starts to rub elbows with local gangster Felix Skinny Razor D'Itullio, and Bobby Cannavale, who I love. Ooh, love, love, love. And he begins selling some of his meat products to him on the side. When his boss is accused of stealing, Sheeran seeks the help of lawyer,
Starting point is 00:22:57 Bill Bufalino, Ray Romano. Who's great in this. So good. Did a great job. I was really like, everybody loves Raymond. Everyone? Oh. Wait a second job. I was really like, everybody loves Raymond. Everyone. Oh. Wait a second.
Starting point is 00:23:07 I just got an idea. This could be worth something. Buffalo Little gets the case thrown out when Sheeran refuses to give up names to the judge. Weren't you shocked by Ray's performance? I was like, he's legit. He was so good. We don't see him do this kind of stuff.
Starting point is 00:23:22 No, give people a chance. Give Ray, give Ray Romano a chance. Yeah. I loved him. All right, but I have a question. Are you guys also like me? I noticed like the first 17 minutes of this movie, he says like 32 different names.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Like, are you also like me where like when people just say like a lot of like names at you, you're like, oh my God, wait, what? You know, like it's true. It started and I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna be so bad at watching this. Cause he says 1800 people, so quickly. There was no part of me that was working
Starting point is 00:23:51 to keep track of them. No, I also let it wash over me and said, this is what it is, it's a lot of information. Yeah. Okay. Also does it start with a voiceover and then De Niro starts talking? Yeah, I think so. There's a lot of narration.
Starting point is 00:24:07 I mean, I also was like, we were talking with Griffin Newman, who mentioned that, like Martin Scorsese says that he doesn't write plot. He just like show it's just like showing like the best parts of something. And the narration does so much of the plot because it's truly like just explaining. And being aware of that is so interesting as you're watching this, because it's like, oh yeah, the scene is actually silent. It's like two people like moving through a space, but like the narration is telling me, that guy always wished he was this,
Starting point is 00:24:34 and this guy did this and that, ba-da-da-da-da, you know? And you get, which I like, I'm liking, I like the tool, but it's really interesting that he used it so much. Yeah, I liked the beginning of this. I was immediately captivated. Bobby captivated. So Bill introduces Sheeran to his cousin Russell Bula-fan-lawel. So that's my Joe Pesci, head of the Northeastern Pennsylvania crime family.
Starting point is 00:25:00 I'm like smiling like I'm proud of it. Sheeran starts working for Russell and other members of the Pennsylvania mafia, carrying out jobs, including quote unquote, painting houses, a euphemism for contract killing. Had you ever heard that quote before? I have never heard that phrase at all. No, me neither.
Starting point is 00:25:18 Me neither, no. And he's like, I was young and naive. I thought being a house painter meant you painted houses. I was like, I still think that. Where are you going with this? I mean, yeah, if they hadn't have shown that shot of the blood on the wall, I would have been like, where's the paint?
Starting point is 00:25:33 When are we gonna start painting? So what does he do for a living? Yeah. Oh wait, I just want to go back. I really liked the scene where he is delivering the meats or whatever. And then the guy opens it and he's like, there's no meat. And he's like, yeah, there's no meat.
Starting point is 00:25:44 I guess the guy didn't do their job. I don't know why you there's no meat. And he's like, yeah, there's no meat. I guess the guys didn't do their job. I don't know why you're looking at me. And he's like, the truck didn't feel different. He's like, no, it didn't feel no different. And I don't know why. I was really comforted by the way everybody talked in this movie. Yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:25:56 I agree. I thought there was a lot of really fun stuff. I mean, later we get to the stuff with, what's his name? The guy who's married to Kirsten Dunst. Kirsten Dunst? Oh, Jesse Plumman. Yeah, who I love.
Starting point is 00:26:08 And he's such a good actor. And I love that whole story with him. It was so fun. And that, but that's a whole new movie. That's like, that's an hour three. And I'm like, okay. And then, okay, so here's where this is, this was catching my ear because I was going like,
Starting point is 00:26:23 okay, this is familiar a little bit, Sheeran is soon introduced to Jimmy Hoffa, Al Pacino. So I, there's a Jimmy Hoffa reference from some 90s movie where is it like, Oh, is it clueless? I'm gonna put a, they're gonna try to, it's like he's threatening the Christian who's taking Cher out and he's like,
Starting point is 00:26:42 something Jimmy Hoffa won't find you. Is it clueless? But I think the quote is something about Jimmy. I think I got it wrong. No, no, no. I'm sure that is true. And I think there's one another movie I'm thinking of that could be something like Encino Man or like Airheads or something where they like exhumed Jimmy Hoffa or like Wayne's World
Starting point is 00:27:03 or something. Like there's like we found him. We found Jimmy Hoffa, or like Wayne's World or something. Like there's like, we found him, we found Jimmy Hoffa or something. Somebody out there will tell me what I'm talking about. Anyway, that's the name. It's like I knew that there was, I knew that this character and this real person is like missing at some point.
Starting point is 00:27:19 There's a mystery surrounding his death. So I was teased by that. Al Pacino is Jimmy Hoffa. So he's the head of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Union, who has financial ties with the Northeastern Pennsylvania mob family. Did you find it on you? Yeah, it's what is it?
Starting point is 00:27:34 Sorry, it's going to be so stupid. It's Bruce Almighty. Oh, no. Wait, what? That was so wrong. That was like the one of two DVDs my family owned growing up, that and Spinal Tap. So I have to know what is the full quote. So the titular character uses powers endowed by God
Starting point is 00:27:50 to manifest Hoffa's body in order to procure a story interesting enough to reclaim his career in the news industry. Oh my God, thank you so much. I remember that. And honestly, I'm shocked. So Hoffa has issues with fellow rising teamster Anthony Tony Provenzano, who's Stephen Graham, and is facing mounting pressure from the federal government.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Hopfa becomes close with Sheeran and his family, especially his daughter Peggy, Lucy Galina. In turn, Sheeran becomes his chief bodyguard. So how old is Jimmy Hopfa supposed to be? What what is what is Al Pacino playing here? Like, do we know? Yeah, I don't know. Okay, so he Al Pacino is Jimmy Hoffa was a complete CG performance. This is what it says. He starts at age 44 and ends at 62. What?
Starting point is 00:28:41 So I guess he was older than that to begin with on all of that. Oh, so they're saying that at no point is he playing his actual age. Yeah. So I think saying it's a CG performance makes it sound like he's a hologram. Yeah, like they Polar Express him. Like he wasn't there. If he was the Polar Express style. Uncanny Valley. It's like, yeah. His was actually really good, I thought.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Yes, because I didn't notice it. You weren't thinking about it. But you know, the Robert De Niro stuff was hard because there's a point where he's de-aged and then Joe Pesci's like, hey kid. And I'm like, he's not in any way, shape or form a child. No. Doesn't even seem younger than you.
Starting point is 00:29:21 So like, and he's like, you're like my kid. And it's like, why? He's 70. Yeah, it was weird. And then when his face was young, his old man body just moving around, it really just took me out of it. It's really tough because it's like,
Starting point is 00:29:38 you, yes, it could be a different actor, but then I'm like, but that's a lot of the movie. And so if we're telling the story, I want Robert De Niro. But you know what? because I did all, when I did look into the camera thing, they had someone, and this is to show, I mean, I guess how effective it was, they had someone on set who was like a body language expert being like, you need to get out of the chair faster.
Starting point is 00:29:54 Like there was a scene where De Niro was coming down the stairs and they were like, you need to, you're 65. You should be going faster down the stairs. Oh. And then, and then I guess like that, yeah. So I just know that. Yeah. So I just know that because I literally read it yesterday. That's really interesting.
Starting point is 00:30:08 Like all the ways because it's so subtle. Like when you're watching it, you're like, you can just tell that they're older, but you're not sure exactly what it is. And so to be like someone who's an expert in that, like at that age, you can skip two steps like at that age, you can be on a trampoline for 20 minutes. After the 1960 election of John F. Kennedy, Buffalino is thrilled while Hoffa is furious. Kennedy's brother, Robert F. Kennedy, Jack Hudson, uh, whom is appointed attorney general, gets a, uh,
Starting point is 00:30:40 a get Hoffa squad to bring down Hoffa, who's eventually arrested and convicted in 1964 for jury tampering. Again, John F. Kennedy, the whole, that stuff, I feel like we're two hours. I mean, I think this is good for us that the plot is not being- Yes, is moving along. But also these are the highlights.
Starting point is 00:30:59 I mean, there's a long period where we're kind of just getting like general life. Yeah, we go bowling at one point. Oh, yes. Yes, we go to the birthday party. Yeah, and then, so what's the story with, so Joe Pesci is like kind of obsessed with getting the approval of Robert De Niro's daughter.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Yeah. It feels like he's like trying to have some sort of relationship, like a fatherly relationship. I'm like, why? That was weird to me too. Like why? You're a crime guy. Like, what is this?
Starting point is 00:31:36 He gives her a present at one point and then the dad's like, say thank you. And she's like, thanks. And then he's like, there's more in there from Santa. You know what? It's like $10. I think there's a line,'s more in there from Santa. And it's like $10. I think there's a line, because I would look at my phone
Starting point is 00:31:48 and then I would go, fuck, I wasn't listening. And then I would have to rewind it. So I heard a lot of lines like more than once. Relatable, yeah. I think that like Joe Pesci's kids are all older now. And so like, you know how like when grandparents like are into little kids, cause they don't have little kids anymore.
Starting point is 00:32:03 I think that's what it is. Okay, that makes sense. But still weird to be like, I need the approval of this small girl. This child. I know. And then so then when that girl is so the the scene we were mentioning before where like she gets like manhandled at the deli by like the guy, I don't know what she did. And then Robert jr goes and kicks his ass. It's such a fun... That's what I love about these movies. Yes. Is this like, he gets filled with rage. He's like, I'm gonna go show him what's up.
Starting point is 00:32:30 And then he goes and pulls the guy out through the glass door. Yes. Bash steps on his hand until he's like crying. Like, it's like... And the girl's just watching. And she doesn't even like it. She hates him for it. She's like, Dad, no! Also, when he goes in, the guy was like, she deserved it or something. And I was, I think- And she doesn't even like it. She hates him for it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's like, yeah, right. No.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Also, when he goes in, the guy was like, she deserved it or something. And I was like, well, that's not how I would start this interaction. If someone's coming at me like that. Yeah, no. I would be like, ah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:56 Yeah. I was like, what mayhem can a girl that small cause in like a meat shop or whatever? I know. I'm like, she stole a candy bar. I don't know. So, Hoffa's in prison. His replacement as Teamsters president misuses
Starting point is 00:33:09 the union's pension fund and gives interest free loans to the mob. Hoffa's relationship with Tony Pro, himself arrested for extortion, also deteriorates beyond repair when Hoffa refuses to help restore his forfeited pension. Hoffa's sentence is commuted by President Richard Nixon in 1971, although he is forbidden from partaking in any Teamsters activities until 1980.
Starting point is 00:33:29 Right. This is like the middle part with their when they're both in jail, right? And they're like, yeah, yes, I think so. Mm hmm. Yeah. This was a lot. This this this whole chunk of the moot, I was like, Oh, Oh, I could never, I could never have explained that to you. No, not at all. But whenever they like, whenever they, you know, when I saw JFK being shot, I was like, okay, I know what that is. You know, like they have picked, I know what that is. Or whatever.
Starting point is 00:33:58 He's a historical moment, historical moments of like time passing and it is interesting. But yeah, I wasn't sure about all the loans and all the things happening. I don't think I could- Then they're building a hotel at some point and they're like, come on, just let us build it or whatever.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Yeah, there was a lot going on. You like it, right? Yeah. But then they go to Florida, then they go somewhere hot. I liked that scene. Do you guys know the scene? That's what I will say is there's a lot like a lot of like cut to him, you know, getting on a truck, cut to this plane, flying out of Cuba.
Starting point is 00:34:28 But then they would have that like scene where they're in Florida or wherever they're hot. And it's like a long dinner scene and it's like just slow talking. I was wrapped for that. I was like, oh yeah, I'm listening for that part. I love all of those moments. I mean, there's so much good acting in these movies
Starting point is 00:34:46 that it does like really captivate you even when you're like, why is this part happening? Yeah, even when, yeah. I'd be confused and then be like, wait, how do we get here? Then I have to rewind it a little bit. And then I was like, I don't have time to rewind. I have, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:01 We are, it is work. I said, I was like, we have schedules, you know? Yes. This isn't me watching it just leisurely at night. Not for fun. But yeah, I was like, wait, what? But then I was like, oh, I like it. And I love the way Scorsese, I guess he,
Starting point is 00:35:17 he must shoot like cross coverage because people interrupt and like things aren't lost and it just feels so fucking natural and I love that. I agree. So ignoring the terms of his parole, Hoffa reclaims his spot at the top of the Teamsters Union. His growing disrespect for other Teamster leaders and his intention to separate the Union from the mafia
Starting point is 00:35:40 begin to worry Russell. During a dinner in Sheeran's honor in October 1973, Russell tells Sheeran to comfort Hoppa, or no, confront Hoppa. Listen, he wanted to give Hoppa a big ol' hug and a kiss and warn him that the heads of the crime families aren't happy with him. Hoppa informs Sheeran that he knows things and that Russell and the dons of the other families are unaware of that. And if anything happens to him, that they would all end up in prison. I like this whole chunk, this chunk.
Starting point is 00:36:11 Yeah. This is when I was like, oh, they're gonna kill him. This is when I was like, okay, now I'm watching because I know he's gonna die in the next, probably 10 or 15 minutes. So I was like- And that, yeah, and that felt like what we want out of this.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Like you're waiting in prison. But maybe we had to earn, maybe we had to earn the first two hours of watching the show. or 15 minutes. So I was like, yeah. And that felt like what we want out of this. Like you're waiting for maybe we had to earn, maybe we had to earn the first two hours of watching it. To care. Yeah. So scene where I mean, one of the scenes where, uh, Hop is like, I'm the president. It's mine. It's my union. Right. Is that chunk or is that later? I think it's before. Like at the big dinner for Robert De Niro's character? Maybe I just watched this and I'm very, I'm like, wait, when did things happen? It was, well, no, yeah, because it also, it blurs. It blurs.
Starting point is 00:36:58 It was my whole day. It's like, I don't remember what I did yesterday. I can't remember everything about this. So in 1975, on their way to Bill's daughter's wedding, Russell tells Sheeran that the Don's have become fed up with Hoffa and have called for his murder. Reluctantly, Russell informed Sheeran that he has been chosen to carry this out,
Starting point is 00:37:15 knowing he might otherwise try to warn or save Hoffa. The two drive to a private airport where Sheeran boards a plane to Detroit. I mean, I'm getting excited here. We do have, so the Jesse Plemons element is interesting because earlier in the movie, he's shown to be Jimmy Hoffa's, like, foster son. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:36 And he... they have this courtroom scene where a guy comes in with a gun, and then a Jesse, whose name is Chucky, he, like, kicks the guy's ass and then Al Pacino's so proud, like, look what he did, this is Chucky did. Chucky did that, I taught him, I raised him, I taught him that.
Starting point is 00:37:53 He's like, you always charge with a gun and you don't charge people with a knife, you run from a knife or whatever. Yeah, yeah, he did, and then he goes, I rhymed. So he goes, I have to remember what it is, if they have a, charge if they have a gun, if you see a knife run, oh, he goes, it's like, I have to remember what it is. Like, if they have, like, charge if they have a gun, if you see a knife run, oh, I rhymed. He literally, he literally said, oh, I rhymed.
Starting point is 00:38:11 And I feel like that was improv. I was like, ooh, I run. I thought it was so funny. And then I was like, this is so sad. What happens next that Chuckie's so heavily involved in the murder. I felt so sad for him. Does he realize that's happening as he's driving this?
Starting point is 00:38:26 I mean, it's like... I don't think so. Oh, I thought he... Okay, first of all, I thought that was his son-in-law. I thought he was like married to his daughter. And then I thought he was, I was like betrayed. I was like, I thought Jesse Plumman's character was like in on it and was like gonna kill him,
Starting point is 00:38:40 but maybe he didn't know that he was gonna kill Hoffa. So let's see how it's described. So Hoffa, who had scheduled a meeting at a local restaurant with Tony Pro and Anthony Giacalone, is surprised to see Sheeran arrive late with Hoffa's unsuspecting foster son, Chuckie O'Brien, Jesse Plemons, and loan shark Sally Bugs, Louis Canc...
Starting point is 00:38:59 Louis Cancel-Me? That's not a good last name. That's a very funny last name. Cancel-Me. You can't cancel-me. I am Cancel-Me.'s not a good last name. That's a very funny last name. Cancel Me. You can't cancel me. I am Cancel Me. Hey, I was always kidding. I'm Cancel Me. Now you Cancel Me. They tell Hoffa the meeting was moved to a house.
Starting point is 00:39:15 This is so like when Joe Pesci gets killed, where Tony Pro and Russell are waiting, in the In Goodfellas, where Tony Pro and Russell are waiting so Sheeran is to drive him over there. When Hoffa enters the house and finds it empty, he realizes he's been set up. This is such a sad moment. So, literally, Robert De Niro's like,
Starting point is 00:39:30 hey, let's get out of here, let's get out of here. And then he kind of directs him and then just shoots him. I was like, the way that they talk to each other in all these movies before they kill each other, where they're just pretending everything's fine, it's so dark. Well, that's what I think De Niro or Ray Liotta says it in Goodfellas. He's like, the person who's fine, it's so dark. Well, that's what, uh, I think De Niro or Ray Liotta says it in Goodfellas, he's like, the person who's, like,
Starting point is 00:39:49 being an asshole to you or whatever means he was not the one who's gonna kill you, it's the one who smiles in your face. Yes, Ray Liotta, yes. So, as he turns to leave, Sheeran shoots him dead at point-blank range, leaving the gun on his body and letting, uh, and letting him lay there. And then after Sheeran departs, two other mobsters take care of the body. So it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:40:08 And like the sort of like carelessness with which they just kill and walk away. Like I'm like... They like, they kill and they're like, someone else will clean it up. Is that still happening? That was my thought. Because there's so many scenes where Robert De Niro like goes into a restaurant and shoots people and then leaves. Like he does it maybe three different times. And I'm like, that would like,
Starting point is 00:40:28 I could see then cause no one had like cameras. He's not wearing a mask. He's just goes in and then he shoots them and then leaves. But now I guess you would just, you'd be seen right away. You'd be on the neighbors camera. Invoking their Fifth Amendment rights in a grand jury investigation into Hoffa's disappearance, Sheeran Russell, Tony Pro, and the others are eventually convicted on various charges
Starting point is 00:40:53 unrelated to Hoffa's murder. One by one, the elderly gangsters die in prison. That was, I liked that. I liked the whole jail sequence with Pesci eating and he's like, I can't eat that bread. And he's like, my teeth, I don't have teeth. I can't eat the bread. Give me a small piece. So sad. It was so like real. It was so sad. I was really sad. And then he's like, I needed a cane because my back hurt.
Starting point is 00:41:20 But of course they wouldn't give me a cane. And I'm like, oh God, it broke my fucking heart. I know. I'm like, let this murderer have a cane. Yes. I would give me a cane. And I'm like, oh God, it broke my fucking heart. I know. I'm like, let this murderer have a cane. Yes. Let me have a cane. I would give him a cane. He's still a nice guy. Sharon's eventually released him, placed him in a nursing home.
Starting point is 00:41:35 He tries to reconcile with his alienated daughters, but Peggy, now played by Anna Paquin, severs all contact with him, sensing his, why didn't they age up a child? Yeah. And have her be 30 with a little kid? Yeah, put a child in some heels. Just like a little Chanel suit.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Where are we drawing the line of the CG? She senses his involvement in Hoffa's disappearance. This was a great scene. So she is sitting there. He comes home, the dad comes home, and she's like... She's watching on TV that Jimmy Hoffa's missing. And she's like, have you talked to his wife? And he's like, no, I haven't, I haven't talked to her. You haven't talked to her?
Starting point is 00:42:11 You like, why haven't you talked to her? Cause it's like so weird that you wouldn't have contacted her. And then he has this bumbling awkward phone call. Yes. Being like, I'm sure he'll come back. He's probably just, he's pretending. Acting. That was acting.
Starting point is 00:42:24 The acting, it was fabulous. Yeah, yeah. I'll call you in the morning. I'll call you. Don't worry about it. I loved it. Yeah, that was really sad. And then he said his daughter never talked to him again after that. Because she knew. She knew. Yeah. Sharon begins seeing a Catholic priest assigned to the nursing home who gives him absolution for his crimes he committed over his lifetime, though shearing shows little remorse aside from his killing of Hoffa. As the priest leaves, Sharon asks him to leave the door slightly ajar, emulating one of Hoffa's habits.
Starting point is 00:42:54 So that was a fun scene because he's like, so I'm not what if I'm not sorry? He's like, you could just say you are. Just say you are. What if I'm not? Like, what if I don't? He's like, what about the families? He's like, I didn't know the families. I'm like, okay.
Starting point is 00:43:06 Which is a wild way to think. Never mind, don't give them the cane. Yeah, I mean, yeah, at that point I'm like, socio, like, yeah, you're not. I liked the ending. I thought the ending, the last 30 minutes I thought were incredible. Like, I really, really liked it. There was just so much in the middle that I personally maybe would have cut out, but also, who am I?
Starting point is 00:43:25 People like the movie. It did feel like a little Wikipedia page sometimes. It's this whole story. I mean, I think the Jimmy Hoffa thing feels like what the story is really about, but we don't get Jimmy Hoffa till like an hour in. And so that's, oh, this is what I was gonna say. When the FBI people come to interview Sheeran
Starting point is 00:43:48 and they're like, so basically everyone's dead, tell us who killed Hoffa. And he's like, I can't, because he's the only one who's not dead, he did it. But then he's like, oh, who's after you? Who's after, who brought you guys? And they're like, everybody's dead. Everyone's dead.
Starting point is 00:44:01 Everyone's dead. And then he goes and picks out his own fucking casket, which I forgot had happened and then I watched it and I almost had to fast forward it because I, too much. That was really depressing. I don't know. Don't you want to know what kind of casket you'll be in? I want a purple one with flames.
Starting point is 00:44:16 I mean, not to promote this company, because I don't know anything about it, but there's a company that is pitching to young people to get your affairs in order essentially. And you can like have a casket chosen and paid for. My only issue with it is I'm like, that company won't exist when I die and then I'll just have given them $5,000.
Starting point is 00:44:34 And you've given them money. Yeah, it's like, let's just let people sort it out after. I just think it's fine to not do that in advance. BOTH LAUGH But you should have a will, Lauren. I do, I do, I do. Grace, you should have a will, Lauren. I do. I do. Grace, you should have a will too. Okay, I'll get started.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Can I have those books behind you? Yeah, oh yeah. I'll let you guys take a pic as a thank you. Okay, I should, no, you're right. I should have a will because I could go at any second. And anytime. I've got some things. You know?
Starting point is 00:45:04 It's just smart to do. It's smart to do. Cause the people, when that doesn't happen, then that makes people's lives very complicated. Sometimes I do think about like making a Google doc, being like, you can like, here are the passwords for all of my things. Like I probably have some cool emails.
Starting point is 00:45:15 Like, cause like there's so much of my life that's online. Cool emails. Cool emails. But like, there's probably like some, cause you know how like your parents would die and you would open a box and go through all these like letters that were really important. Sometimes I'm like, should I have like a, like you know how like your parents would die and you would open a box and go through all these letters that were really important. Sometimes I'm like, should I have like a,
Starting point is 00:45:27 I have these like really important things I've sent to people, but they're all online. So I'm like, maybe I'll just like, should I put my passwords on there? Anyways, that's something- Yeah, that's interesting actually. Or star them so that people know like those are the good ones.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Yes, label it, will label it, got it. Yeah, put it in like a little folder, you know? Being like, here's the good stuff for what I'm doing. Mariah Carey emailed me, yeah, put it in like a little folder, you know, like here's the good stuff. Mariah Carey emailed me. Yeah. Well, the reception of the Irishman critics fucking loved it. Citing it as one of the greatest and squishes his long career. It holds a 95% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, which I get.
Starting point is 00:46:03 I really do. I just, it was just the which I get. I really do. I just, it was just the length of it that I really. If it was two and a half hours, it'd be like, that's up there with Goodfellas. Yes, I agree. Yeah. It was nominated for 10 Academy Awards,
Starting point is 00:46:17 including best picture, best director, but nobody said you win. And no Oscars for Martin. That's tough. Yeah. Okay, so here's our little trivia. All scenes that required de-aging effects were shot digitally with a custom three-camera rig that they called the Three-Headed Monster. In 2015, Scorsese and De Niro made a test reel by recreating a scene from Goodfellas to see if the de-aging could work.
Starting point is 00:46:43 They didn't use motion tracking markers because they wanted the actors to stay present in the scene. I wanna watch that. Wait, that's so cool. Like imagine getting to be in the room where Scorsese and De Niro are recreating Goodfellas just for fun, or I mean, not for fun, but like just why not?
Starting point is 00:47:00 That's really cool. And that's also interesting that you need three, I guess it's, you know, all sides of the face and then not doing the markers, I think is smart. So was the, yeah, I would like to see what that looks like, but I wonder if it's all around his face. So then the person acting with him is having to kind of work through that. I saw, I saw like a little picture of it.
Starting point is 00:47:23 I think there's just like a bunch of cameras in the room and there's just like, there's some on the side so that they can always be like tracking the sides of their face. I don't think it's like a contraction. I think it's just more cameras. Just so that they can be like tracking and like getting data, I guess. I don't really, cause like you need to know. Oh yeah. I see it.
Starting point is 00:47:41 I see it. So it's really just a regular camera. And then there's like basically lenses all around it that are doing different things. So it doesn't really affect the people in the scene, which is cool. Oh, okay. I'm also looking at it.
Starting point is 00:47:53 Yeah. Ooh, it's a real funny looking camera. Yeah. But you know what? I just, I also, just cause I just remembered I read this. Okay, do you guys know how they're coming out with the new Mad Max? That's like Anya Taylor Joy, Furiosa.
Starting point is 00:48:07 And people are like, well, why didn't they just do what they did to the boys in the Irish? Like, why can't we let Charlize Theron do whatever? But I guess they were just like, I think it ended in people, cause we haven't really seen the de-aging thing since then. And so I think George Miller was like, oh, I hated the way that it looked in the Irishman.
Starting point is 00:48:24 So I'm not doing that. Yeah. I also like maybe Charlize wouldn't want to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Did we ask Charlize? Yeah. Let's get her opinion. Uh, ooh, the house that appears in the beginning of the film is the same house that appears in good fellas. Maybe that's why I felt like I was like, this feels, this feels like home. I feel like I recognize this. Yeah, I know I was excited at the beginning because I really didn't think that was gonna be the vibe since the Irishman, the title doesn't evoke anything to me.
Starting point is 00:48:53 So I just didn't know, yeah. What city does Goodfellas take place in? Is that New York? Oh, I don't know what city it is. Brooklyn. Okay. I'm pretty sure it's Brooklyn. Yeah. Right, right, right. According to Deadline, before accepting the role of Russell Bufalino, Joe Pesci refused
Starting point is 00:49:10 multiple times to come out of retirement in order to appear in this film. Some sources say the actual number of refusals was 50. So he said no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 00:49:32 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. I heard you paint houses where the first words Jimmy Hoffa ever spoke to Frank the Irishman, Sharon. On the Tonight Show, Robert De Niro remarked that the term along with I also do my own carpentry work, both, oh! Refer to both the hit and the cleanup. That's really, that's wild that he,
Starting point is 00:50:02 that was the first thing they said and then he killed him. Yeah. Oh my God, that's so wild. He was like, I kill and I clean up. You want to be my friend? And he goes, yes. And then he was like, I'm going to kill you and clean it up. Yeah. Oh, and one other thing I liked about that, that whole like leading him to his death scene where like, where just Jesse Plummons is talking about how he had picked up some fish in his car, and that's where the seat was wet. And then everyone's like, what kind of fish was it? And he's like, I don't know. He's like, you don't know what kind of fish it was? It's like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:50:30 You didn't ask for a fish. You didn't say what kind of fish you want when you went and got it. Like, I love the interrogation of that. Yeah. And then Jimmy Hoffa literally says, you shouldn't put fish in your car because it'll stink. And he's like, you should know that for your own. You should know that for life. That's a good lesson. That's a good life lesson.
Starting point is 00:50:46 And then he goes and gets killed. He's always giving out good tips. I do. I always feel like in movies like that when they're talking about something really trivial, like something really bad is about to happen. So when they were talking about the fish, I was like, oh, this is it. He's going to kill him now. It's going to be right.
Starting point is 00:50:58 I thought someone was going to just turn and shoot someone else. I didn't know what was happening, but I was like, somebody's about to die for sure. And I loved the leading into the house, just because it's so, so bleak. It's like truly, it just, it breaks my heart. It's very sad. Sort of silence of like, something's off in here. Oh, and now I'm dead.
Starting point is 00:51:16 BOTH LAUGH Well, we have to take another break. break. We're back and it's time for the new Academy Awards. So despite his films having been nominated for over 100 combined Academy Awards, Marty himself has only won one. And we're here to correct the record. So in that crazy, it's very messed up we're here to correct the record. So, isn't that crazy? It's very messed up and we need to give awards out.
Starting point is 00:51:48 So this is the prestigious first annual New Academy Awards. We're going to read you some categories with nominees from this film, and then we will all vote and decide. Great. All right, the first award, most convincing old person playing a young person. And the nominees are Young Frank, Robert De Niro, Young Russell, My Joe Pesci, Young Jimmy
Starting point is 00:52:13 Hoffa, Al Pacino. I feel like it was Al Pacino because I really felt like it wasn't that noticeable. Same. Yep. Same. Same. I forgot. Yeah. Okay. The new Academy Award goes to young Jimmy Hoffa. Also, I didn't really clock Joe Pesci's de-aging.
Starting point is 00:52:31 I thought he was old the whole time. Me too. So maybe it just didn't take. Yeah. The wrinkles were too deep. They're like, we can't buff these out. No, but yeah, yeah. Then he plays older. So I guess
Starting point is 00:52:46 that's part of it. Was that but that still seemed older than how he is now. So yeah. Yeah. Okay. I like started to forget I had to like Google Joe Pesci. I was like, what does he look like now? Like, I know. What is he like? Where are we at? Oh, he's 81. He does look great with that little interesting mustache. Oh my God. He looks like he looks like he's like should be in Steely Dan or something with that mustache. I don't even know what that type is called.
Starting point is 00:53:16 I don't know what Steely Dan is. A band. Oh, they're like a handlebar mustache. Yeah, it's like cool guys with hats. Is it a handlebar? Jazz guys. Or his handlebar goes? Yeah, it's like cool guys with hats, jazz guys. Or his handlebar when it goes like this. I think it's like, this goes down around the chin,
Starting point is 00:53:28 but not the center of the chin. It's like a backwards goatee or something. It looks like the Monster logo, the energy Monster logo. That's what he's going for, it's branded. Okay, best side characters. The nominees are Bobby Cannavale as Skinny Razor, Ray Romano as Bill Bufalino, Anna Paquin as older Peggy Sheeran,
Starting point is 00:53:49 Jim Norton as Don Rickles. Oh, why did I think? I didn't realize that was Jim Norton. Me neither. What? Guys, Mr. Norton. He did a great job. He's a comic. He's a comedian. Oh, Jim Norton. Okay, he's in this?
Starting point is 00:54:03 He plays Don Rickles. Don Rickles. This is like so interesting. When he's like, I can make fun of anybody. No, it was like so good. Yeah. Oh, right when they're at the club. Yes. That's crazy. Wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Because I was going to say Ray Romano. Because they do look a lot alike, actually. But I think it might be, it might have to be Jim Norton. Because we didn't catch that at all. That's amazing. I mean, I want to vote for Ray a little bit because we were so like, he did a really good job. But yeah, I want to give it to Jim because I think it's fun.
Starting point is 00:54:34 I'm going to give it to Ray because I just asked who Jim was three seconds ago. Okay, they're going to share this and break it into pieces like Mean Girls. Oh, I love that. That's so cute. Okay, it's score says Z. Time for reviews. We're gonna read reviews from Letterboxd. We're gonna give a one sentence review ourselves and a star rating. And for anyone who doesn't know, Letterboxd is a social platform where people can write reviews of films.
Starting point is 00:55:04 And you can follow us on Letterboxd at newcomers. Grace, are you on Letterboxd? I sure am, I am. I think I wrote a review for this one when I watched it with my mom. Is your Letterboxd public or do you feel that that should be a personal experience? Oh, it's very, it's public.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Yeah. A personal experience. I just wanna quietly write my thoughts and have no one read them. It's out. My movie journal. It's out. Are you kidding me?
Starting point is 00:55:32 This review is a four star review from Patrick Williams. Oh, maybe I don't want to be a gangster after all. It looks bad and sad. Fair enough. Yeah. Anya and Allie are also going to weigh in. So if anyone wants to go first with their star rating and one sentence review, please take the floor. OK, I think I'm going to give it three and a half.
Starting point is 00:55:58 No, I'll give it four stars because it felt good. It felt like home. It felt like the Scorsese that I know from like Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, and Goodfellas and Casino. Yeah, it felt good. Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Starting point is 00:56:17 But too dang long, Mardemar. I agree. Anya, do you want to give yours? Yeah, I'm going to go with 3.48 stars. Wow. For every hour of the movie. Wow. And it would have, I like totally agree with you guys, it would have gotten more if it was shorter. It would have been like my favorite film. And then I zoned out for so much. Yeah. The first time and the second time. My parents were like, this sucks ass.
Starting point is 00:56:51 Ali, thoughts? I think I'll give it four stars. And now I will never put a fish in my car unless it's tightly wrapped. Yes. You got good tips from those. Yeah. Good tips. Grace, do you have? speaking about fish, real quick,
Starting point is 00:57:06 there was somebody who brought fish on a flight and it wasn't refrigerated and their suitcase was like full of maggots and then maggots were coming out of the suitcase and falling on people. What? Were we on this flight? Just right about it and yeah, nasty.
Starting point is 00:57:23 That honestly rivals- I think they had to turn around. It rivals what you found in a Delta blanket. Sure does. What'd you find in a Delta blanket? A piece of shit. A piece of shit! A finger?
Starting point is 00:57:34 And you think I'd still be with us? No, I would have floated right on to heaven. A finger? I don't know, a little, like, whoa! I don't know, I can see a finger, but shit, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, okay. No. They don't like, whoa, I don't know. I can see a thing, but shit, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, okay. No.
Starting point is 00:57:47 They don't wash the blankets, just so you know. It's just a good tip. I just wonder who put it in there. They think a disgruntled employee. I would guess someone who like, you know when like you have to wipe? I know, but that wouldn't explain why a whole piece of shit was in there, nevermind.
Starting point is 00:58:03 Yeah. So I was like, maybe- You know when you have to wipe and you grab the next best thing, your Delta blanket? When you like shuffled to the bathroom on the plane wrapped in your blanket. With a full cradling of full turd. Okay, I heard it, which is why I stopped.
Starting point is 00:58:18 But for a second, I thought maybe, maybe. Yeah, okay, Grace, do you wanna give yours or should I go? Yes, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Grace, do you want to give yours or should I go? Yes. Okay. I'll go. I give it a four stars and because it's really long, but it still was like, there was, there was still some things where I was like, wow,
Starting point is 00:58:38 that that's really, that's really cool. Or like, that's really awesome. The way that he shot that. And then I also think it's just like really the story at the end is sad. So and beautiful and good storytelling. So I'm giving it four stars. Great. I'm also going to give it four stars, which is almost surprising to myself, but I do feel like it brings back a lot of the good memories from some of my favorite Scorsese movies. And you know, would I shorten it?
Starting point is 00:59:05 Yes, but I'm not a Martin Scorsese. So I think it was a fun romp back with our mobster friends. Yes. I love that review. Grace, do you have anything that you wish to plug? Not right now, but you can follow me on Grace Spellman at all social things, even Letterboxd if you want. And yeah, that's it.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Happy to be here, had a great watch, had a great bath watch. It was great. I love it. Thank you for being here, that's so kind. Thank you so much. Yeah, of course. Listeners, please write us a review on Apple Podcasts and rate the podcast on Spotify. We only want five stars. If you have any less than five, we don't want it.
Starting point is 00:59:57 Keep it. We'll be back next week with our last Scorsese film, Killers of the Flower Moon, which is so wild that it just happened and I still didn't see it. Oh my God, Killers of the Flower Moon. That one's so long too guys. And it's so fucking depressing. I honestly thought I would never see it. Like it was just like, cause it falls into a category
Starting point is 01:00:18 that I was like, oh, so that's one I'll never know about. And now here we are. So this is shocking. Yeah. Yeah. And now we're going to know about it. Isn't that exciting? Yes, it is exciting. It is, you know, even with everything we've done, there's just something about now we know.
Starting point is 01:00:33 I feel like about every single category, I go, now I know. I've seen all Lord of the Rings. I do know. I've seen all of Star Wars. So it's, I got it. It's great. I will say, nothing about Lord of the Rings has stuck with me. I've seen all of Star Wars, so it's, I got it. It's great. I will say, nothing about Lord of the Rings has stuck with me. Well, you can't expect it all to stay in you.
Starting point is 01:00:50 You're so much. We listened to a radio play for that one. We got really deep in that. Lord, and I think we recorded on like a rainy day and I was like falling asleep from the radio play and falling asleep trying to talk about it. I was like, oh my goodness. Yeah, that sounds nice.
Starting point is 01:01:07 We do our best. But also exhausting. Yeah, okay, well, we'll see if we like Killers of the Slough or Moon. And we'll see you next week. Bye. Bye. Newcomers. Newcomers is a Headgum original hosted by us,
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