Next Level Pros - #139: Can Drinking Pee Heal You? // Jonathan Otto on Alternative Medicine // Next Level Pros Podcast

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Want me to teach you how to grow your business? Text me! 509-374-7554Welcome to a new episode of Next Level Pros! In this episode, we sit down with Jonathan Otto, an investigative health journalist and entrepreneur, to discuss some of the most controversial and alternative health practices, including urine therapy and its potential benefits. Jonathan shares his research on stem cells, red light therapy, and natural healing, explaining how these methods could challenge conventional medical beliefs. We also dive into why society has been conditioned to trust pharmaceuticals over natural solutions, and how shifting perspectives can lead to greater health and longevity.Highlights:💡 "Your body naturally produces healing elements—why would you throw them away?"💡 "We’ve been conditioned to trust synthetic medicine over the things God created."💡 "Urine therapy might sound crazy, but the science behind it is undeniable."💡 "If you're willing to challenge the script, you might find a whole new way to heal."Timestamps:00:00 - Introduction: Can Drinking Urine Heal You?02:32 - Who is Jonathan Otto? His Background in Investigative Health Journalism05:29 - Chris Drinks His Own Urine for the First Time!07:41 - The Science Behind Urine Therapy & Stem Cells11:21 - Understanding the Healing Properties of Urine15:03 - How Society Has Been Conditioned to Fear Natural Medicine18:12 - Alternative Healing: Red Light Therapy & Its Benefits22:49 - How Urine Therapy Compares to Expensive Stem Cell Treatments27:10 - The Role of Big Pharma in Suppressing Natural Remedies31:05 - The Connection Between Faith, God, and Natural Healing35:40 - Prostate Cancer, Radiation, and Alternative Treatment Approaches42:19 - The Truth About Red Light Therapy and Cellular Regeneration48:31 - How to Get Started With Alternative Healing Methods52:03 - Where to Follow Jonathan Otto & Exclusive Discounts on Red Light TherapyWant me to teach you how to grow your business? Text me! 509-374-7554Want access to more of my content? Click the link below for all of our latest updates and events!https://linktr.ee/nextlevelprosWant to be a guest on our show? Apply here!https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YlkVBSluEKMTg4gehyUOHYvBratcxHV5rt3kiWTXNC4/viewform?edit_requested=trueWatch my latest PodcastApple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/next-level-pros/id1687030281Spotify- https://open.spotify.com/show/1e0cL2vI1JAtQrojSOA7D2?si=95980cd4e55a437aYouTube- https://www.youtube.com/@NextLevelPros#NextLevelPros #Podcast #AlternativeMedicine #HealthHacks #Biohacking #UrineTherapy #RedLightTherapy #StemCells #NaturalHealing #HolisticHealth #Wellness #JonathanOtto #SelfHealing #Detox #BigPharma #healthrevolution

Yeah, that's urine, but you know, anyway, I'm not gonna make you smell that. But okay, so this urine, how do you do it? Well, I need to drink a tablespoon, all of my urine, like when should I drink it? Like, I mean, what's... First thing, there's no rules to urine therapy. Okay. Yeah. Just, all right.

Yeah, exactly. Because there's no rules, there's no protocols. But what did the cultures do that came before us? They'd drink their first morning urine and someone's going, oh, that's when it's like really like yellow And this is okay. So that that's real like I'm at an event I'm traveling running from one place to another I was up till like 2 a.m. Last night and got up at 7 That's not enough sleep. Don't take that as advice. That's a one-off though. But anyway, so Yeah, so then you just

Do this just do this. Today in the studio, we have Jonathan Otto. Super excited to have him on. This guy is insane. He's gonna go over some controversial stuff today. He's an investigative health journalist in the space. He's got a connection with RFK Jr. As you guys know, he was recently confirmed as the what was the title?

Oh, yeah, Secretary of the Human Health Services, Dude, Secretary of the Human Health Service here in the United States. Everybody was talking about on X and social media, like whether he was going to make it or not. And so Jonathan actually is part of his media team, media group and pushing and promoting and just has some really cool ties. As you guys know, I am a fanatic about health

and figuring out ways to take care of our bodies in a more natural manner. And so I just met Jonathan and we're both at an event. You can probably see the blue wristbands that we have on here. We're attending an event. We were introduced to each other and like immediate connection, just good energy,

good vibes and you know, the thing about me, like I love people that I like immediately have a good vibe and energy connection with. And so welcome to the show, man, excited to have you. Thank you, Chris. No, I felt the same way, man. I felt like, wow, there's few people that I have that immediate trust with that I felt really safe around.

And so you have that. And that's super unique about you. So I appreciate you, man. Here's the crazy thing. So today, maybe you're going to look back and take a look at my social media. Jonathan, yesterday, we started talking. Was it yesterday that we met?

Yeah. Oh, man. It was a long day. Dude, I was saying 24, 48 hours last night cause I couldn't remember, I could sit felt like more like two or three days. Yeah, we spent a lot of time together and just like he started sharing with me

these different health studies and to the point where he inspired me to drink my own urine this morning and never done in my life but today was the day and if you go and you take a look at my Instagram you're gonna see me and I think we're gonna drop a video here on YouTube where you're gonna be able to see me drinking that. Alright so yesterday my boy Jonathan said he was telling me all the science behind drinking your own urine or whatnot and

he's like dude you got to do it I'm like alright I'm right, I'm in. He's like, no, you're not. I'm like, dude, I'm in. And so today we're going to be interviewing him on the show, but dude, I had to like, so as you just saw, Pete in the same, look at it, like that's legit me. Okay, so here we're going to do, we're going to just do a hardcore, here we go. Never done it.

Never done it before in my life, but here we go. Ready? Oh gosh, dude. All right. never done it never done it before in my life but here we go ready oh gosh dude all right oh never does all right here we go zen breath work all right three two one Oh, little lemony. Not as bad as you think. Not as bad as you think. Let's go baby. We're doing it.

Let's go for the health benefits. You're probably like, what? Chris, why on earth would you drink your own urine? And Jonathan, what do you say to those people? Firstly, I'd say that you're ballsy because it took me months from the point where I understood it to the point that I did it. All in, baby.

And to your credit, even though some people say, yeah, well, that makes you crazy and reckless and uneducated, but look guys, what if the script is wrong and hear me out on this and I'll let you decide. But that may be what makes Chris successful. Just saying. I 100% agree. Yeah. One one thing I always tell my clients or whatnot, like, look, if you're waffling and decision making, that's what's holding you back. I say the most successful people in the world, when they understand one plus one equals two, they act on it. And so for me, it was one plus one equals two. Jonathan's sharing me with the studies

and like, like all these benefits and whatnot. I'm just like, what do I got to lose? Yeah, let's go. You got it. You got it. So, Hey guys, it's Chris. If you're finding value in what you're hearing, go ahead and like and subscribe. That way people just like you can find this content for free here on YouTube. Now let's dive back in the show.

So to answer your question, I think the biggest thing that hooked you, because you have to think about what would make something so convincing that I'm arguing the biggest lie that was ever told was this lie about what urine is that I honestly think is one of the biggest lies you're talking about lies and people talking about big pharma and all the lies have been told I'm saying this is the lie of all lies and and let and hear me out on this before you just just say that I'm just too far off the edge and I've got a tin foil hat. And yeah, so. Tin foil looks good on some people. Exactly, it does have some EMF blocking properties, but let's not put them on now.

And yeah, it's like people talk about snake oil salesmen and it was, snake oil has some benefits. It was just that they were packaging it like they were using petroleum instead of the snake oil. And they were the fake snake oil salesman, but the actual snake oil had some benefits. It was just that they were packaging it like they were using petroleum instead of the snake oil and they were the fake snake oil salesman, but the actual snake oil had some benefits. Not my thing. I don't go deep down that rabbit hole. But anyway, so the skin, so coming back to the biology aspect of what may have caused such a big unwinding of arguably what I'm saying a lifetime of indoctrination that urine is bad, why did that just potentially unravel

in a period of a few hours for you? And I think that the biggest premise that I watched you resonate with was babies in the womb. So babies in the womb, once you understand that if you couch a medical name, and this is what happens with diseases as well, they're medical names like, if you say something like

arthritis, it translates basically sore finger. But now it's couched under a word that makes you think of it in a kind of more mystical term that makes you not think about maybe what caused that and now you're just getting a medication because it's something you don't know. So the Latin words confuse it. But same with like with urine if you call it anionic fluid, which is where all the stem cells are coming from, cultured urine from the baby, which once you even can visibly see this on an ultrasound, where a baby will urinate and then drink its urine right away. And it's cycling every day, it's urinating every one to three hours, drinking hundreds of milliliters of its own urine constantly. And then now it comes out of the womb and suddenly urine is toxic and bad and wash it off your hands. And then that's the association you've had your whole life of just like, this is disgusting.

I can't believe this got on my hand. And then you got told that and everyone got told that and you believe a lie. And it gets, you know, Mark Twain said it's easier to fool people than to convince people that they've been fooled. Now the comments are going to blow up. I'm the idiot. Even though we're basically the first established society that doesn't believe that urine is healing and a medicine and the the holy grail when it comes to anti-aging, it was understood

as this, which is why the fountain of Youth sculpture is a little boy peeing. And so it was understood always as the metabolic distillation of the blood, how your blood is purified. And it was the Fountain of Youth. That was part of it. And then, but then it's all couched in these medical terms and put in products, for example, medical products using urine derivatives and synthetic forms like urea, which is practically the only clinically proven skin moisturizer because it puts water back in the skin. Why? Because it's your filtered blood.

Medical name for urine is plasma ultrafiltrate, plasma blood ultrafiltrate. And because of that, it absorbs right back into your skin. And if you can moisturize the skin truly, then you have a youthful glow and appearance. You reverse aging, you look younger. So those were some of the things that we started on. And it so happens that there are stem cells in urine, which were only discovered in 2008.

And now you have to revisit everything that happens in the womb. Because if you watched the video on YouTube, put in like a heart getting grown outside of a body on a scaffold, and you could watch actually a heart getting grown on a scaffold outside of a body, why would, how is that possible? And it's stem cells attaching to the information of the genetic blueprint of a heart, and it's attaching and it's forming into the heart. But then now if you've got a fetus that that that has the genetic blueprint of what that's supposed to become and you have stem cells constantly. And by the way, there was a lot even in a 24-hour urine sample,

even of adult males, it was 100 million after three weeks. Hey guys, it's Chris. Hey, a lot of you leave comments asking for help. Do me a real quick favor. Shoot me a text at 509-374-7554. That's 509-374-7554. That's 509-374-7554. Shoot me a text, I'll answer and help you with whatever you need.

Don't worry, I got you back. Let's go back to the show, baby. So let me cut you off right there, because look, you're spitting a lot of really cool things, right? And like everyone's interest kind of peaked, but then all of a sudden it's like, wait, no, no, there's no way this is true. And like, so what are the actual studies? I mean, I mean, who's to say you're not just this snake oil salesman, right? That just come up with all

these different stats, right? Like it's easy. What is it they say like 86% of all statistics are made up, including that one. And so, so like, what are the studies behind these things that are like, you said like in 2008, it was, it was found out that there's stem cells in in our urine. Like, so what was where those studies found? Yeah, so that was an example. That was the Wake Forest University. Well, the evolution of that, so an example of this was in 2022, the Wake Forest University took an NIH grant and funded a pretty large urine-derived stem cell study. And so then they took a 24-hour period, collected urine from 10 healthy adults,

which doesn't necessarily mean anything other than they didn't have some chronic diagnosis disease. They may have been eating McDonald's every day for all I know. Like, I mean, they didn't ask you what your diet was. They just said, you know, you don't have a disease. They found 140 stem cells in a 24 hour urine sample. They then aged it, cultured it, like, which was basic.

It was in an airtight flask. They had a culture medium. I'm arguing that urine itself is a culture medium because of all the constituents that are needed to feed stem cells, hence why the baby in the womb doesn't need anything injected in there for those stem cells to be viable. They're just actively feeding off the substances that are in urine. They found 100 million at the end of the three weeks. And specifically, it proliferated at a rate

of one times 10 to the power of eight in a three week period, so 140 to 100 million. People are spending $20,000 on 100 million stem cells if you're lucky, which means that's about $7.3 million per year. What you're telling me, if I drink my own pee, I'll save myself $20,000 and going and getting stem cell treatment. Per day, yeah, per day.

Per day. I'm saving 20 grand a day. Yeah. Jeez, dude, what is that? That's like $70 million a year. Yeah, seven. Seven, okay. Yeah, yeah, exactly, but you're right.

Like, you have to, right, seven. Wow, seven right. Like, you had that right. Seven. Wow. All right. So you heard him here first. Save $7 million of your own stem cells by drinking your own pee. Yeah, exactly. I love it. But like, let's get a little nerdier on this number

so we can make sure, because you know, a good business man is gonna make sure we're quantifying, are these stem cells active? Are they viable? 75% were viable if you're 20 to 40, which means they would telomerase positive, which means that they are active stem cells,

like the mesenchymal stem cell from amniotic fluid. So where'd you learn all of this? Reading. Reading. So like, are you a medical practitioner, a doctor? No, no, but I do have a degree in a double major in journalism in media production and post-graduate degree. But like why this?

Like what got you onto like, man, urine could be the solution and what made you go so deep? Suffering, suffering. Tell us more. Yeah, so when I, first thing I can remember was I was about seven years old and my Uh, I was just bawling my eyes out and explaining my mom what i'd seen on tv And it was a world vision commercial ended up working for them by the time of like I was eight age 17

And became an ambassador and and so forth but that feeling of These children are so emaciated and look look like skeletons. And there was a voiceover, which I started then writing scripts and stories like that for fundraising for later in my life, which is crazy how it comes full circle. But it says, this child doesn't have to suffer like this. You can help this child. And I believed it.

I believed that I could do something about it. And so then I said to my mom, we have to sponsor a child. And then she was smart enough to do exactly what you would do as a parent and say, well, you need to learn how to make money. So I delivered newspapers and we sponsored two children for the next 15 years. And so that was a catalyst. But so now how did that come full circle into the health arena? I got a degree in journalism so that I could cover international issues related to suffering and poverty, because I didn't really think that there was anything you could do about something like, let's say cancer or autoimmune disease and the diagnosed conditions. I thought it was just, you know, that's what it is.

But as I, and I worked in various arenas, you know, that's what it is. But as I, and I worked in various arenas, you know, fighting human trafficking or human poverty and development and, you know, helping people live better lives and get out of suffering and starvation, all these things. I was still doing, thank you. Still doing charity work in Kenya for the past 13 years. But it's the same thing, like that makes you think of, how do you solve this problem? Same like a business person, how do you solve this problem? Then you go into then realizing that,

what if the reason why people suffer with chronic health conditions is because of lies? And that the pursuit of knowledge and truth and information and the circulation of that information is actually what saves lives. And so it doesn't matter how many letters you got behind your name, if you're not open-minded to truth,

then you are useless. And that's why so many of the people that come to me are not only doctors and medical doctors to ask for help for their own health, but actually holistic doctors as well, because they're like, they don't say it like this, but it's basically like, you're a very open-minded person. You've researched so much that I haven't spent the time researching. And so now can you help me with these conditions?

You know, it's interesting you talk about being open-minded, like, there's been a huge shift in our society, right? Like, so many of us grew up just kind of, like, in this, like, indoctrination circle of like, this is how things are. This is what the government told me to believe. This is the pharmaceuticals that I need to take and everything else. And obviously there was an event that took place five years ago that I really think that began to open people's minds of like, what's actually happening

and like, what are we, and started questioning what we're being told, right? Just because blatant lies after like, guidance and crazy, like, things that we had to do to comply. We're just so far out there, right? The requests that were being made. And, and you just saw this, like, I would say, like a second grade awakening, right? Of like, people to all of a sudden being more open to these

type of conversations of like, well, maybe what I've been told or what I read in the history books or whatever else. And so I've actually gone down a pretty deep rabbit hole. Like I've always been really open to like different theories, if you will. Um, but, but like just over the last few years, I've been like, even more open to like, what if history isn't the way that we know it? And like how simple it would be

to impact and change our history, right? Like one to two generations, you can completely shift mindset learning, education, like even what history was and what, you know, all these different things. And, and, and because it's like, how do we know history? Well, we were taught it in school or we watched it on the news or, you know, some television program or some Hollywood type thing.

And so like, like that for me has been like probably like the biggest thing where I'm just like, man, I'm open to anything. Like you want to share with me that you think is like so far out there. I'm like, dude, well, how can this, how could this be true? Right. Like I'm more. And so like, it's funny, I've never talked about this on a podcast, but I now refer to myself as round earth agnostic. But and I respect that, by the way. And so we haven't even talked about it. So and it's not because I'm a flat earther.

Yeah, I'm not a flat earther. But it's good not to choose. I have no idea that if that the world is really round. Right. Like I haven't seen it. Yeah, I haven't seen it from from space. I have no reason to believe that it's one way or the other. And so like I'm open. And for me, where I've found truth is like that, like I cannot even trust men.

I can only trust like God. Right. Like receiving revelation. I'm a big believer that like the only source of truth can be like taught to our hearts. And you just be open to all different types of things. And then like certain things you're confirmed over time and some things you'll just never quite understand or know.

And so, and I've kind of got to that thing. I'm just like, man, there's just some fun arguments on all kinds of like theories out there, what not. So like, I'm like, shoot them at me. You know, let's test them. Let's see where we're at and you know, go from there. It's such a good way to live. And I love that you're just teaching that principle

because don't choose the side, don't judge Chris because he hasn't made up his mind on that. Just let him work through that. It's actually what makes him successful. The ability to question something. What if he lands back at your round earth or what if he lands at flat earth? Like, what does it matter to you? Let him question it. What does it even matter? Yeah like even pick it

aside does it matter? Like I love hearing the arguments of both sides. Yeah exactly and that's the cool thing of why anyone watching this is at least open that fire but yeah we're gonna get trolled here and so like look at the comments guys we're getting trolled because and you but it's okay. I'm okay with it. Thank you for your driving interest to our conversation and and I can tell you why I'm doing this. You know I have a supplement company, a red light therapy company. I've told people even with all my supplements that urine therapy will outperform everything I've ever made in combination in terms of, I mean think about it, a stem cell versus the supplement. Supplements will do a lot of great things

like anti-parasitics and all this. But, you know, and I could reach with all the things I'm doing, I could reach thousands, millions even with my products potentially. How many people do you think you could reach with urine therapy if I'm right about it? Right. Billions of people's lives could be saved.

You think that's worth me being humiliated and people blowing up the comments? Go for it. Have at it. Like I'm so down for this. Like you've got nothing on me. Like I'm so ready for this. This is what I live for.

So, you know, you talk about the stem cells, but the other thing that really stuck out to me in our conversation was like talking about the antibodies and how like literally our urine is a custom to what we're experiencing right now. Right. Like the fact that like whatever our body is fighting, it's producing antibodies and it's being urinated out.

Right. And that in the high concentration. And so like that, that was like, man, that for me, that made a lot of sense. And and like, can you like go into a little more depth of when maybe someone gets a snake bite or these type of things and why you would use urine in those situations? Exactly. That's great. Because the one thing that most of the audience is going to agree with, that if they got a

jellyfish sting, what would you do? Be on it. Yeah. It's the only thing that medical has recommended. But then you'll see that get fact checked. Some other things are safe and effective, but that's not safe and effective anymore. It's, you know, don't do that. Whatever you, whatever you do.

So anyway, so, you know, why do people know about it? It's classified as folk medicine, but, you know, why would it even be considered? Well, how's an antivenom created? Well, you take a species, let's say the tarantula, and then you take its venom, and then you inject a large mammal over a period of time so it doesn't immediately kill it. And then as the blood is in the body and the immune system, all the processes working together, then defend and fight against that venom, then they'll extract the blood and then filter that. And then that becomes the serum.

And they're gonna inject you with that. So these are how they derive these types of medications. Correct, the anti-venoms, yeah. Which are frequently lethal and kill people all the time. And so there are doctors that are looking at children specifically that have been envenomated and say, I'm not gonna give this unless I'm sure that this child is going to die.

That's how lethal they are. Why? Because the filtration system isn't perfect. What filtration system is perfect? The kidneys. You can't beat God. And I didn't care what you tell me. Like if you had a skyscraper, it's biggest, the tallest in New York,

and the whole thing was filled with like a filtration system, you put something in the top and then went out the bottom, it would not even compare to the kidneys and what they can do. And here's an example of that. Your urine will work exactly like that anti-venom, but your blood is then filtered through the kidneys. Like I mentioned, plasma ultrafiltrate, ultrafiltrate blood.

It's pressed through, your blood is pressed through these tiny tubes called nephrons and that squeezing process and everything else that's going on is causing a purification, which is why it's clearer as well. It's more sterile than the blood. There's no debate on that. It's sterile-like. And then what happens now with this substance, it works as an antivenom. And so, and people are not only putting it on themselves, but if they're invenomated, lots of, these are anecdotal cases, but very important, surviving snake bites, black mamba snake bites

with drinking their urine. Snake charmers will have a bottle of urine next to them. And these are things that people know, but if you were bitten in the wild now that you've heard this, hopefully you would consider that, yeah, am I giving medical advice? No, but-

If you're dying, please consider. And I watched this before my eyes and I bet my, you know, kind of bet this person's life on it. But there weren't any other options anyway. Where I was out in Africa is in Kenya last year. And this girl, 14 year old, was bitten by a large scorpion, frequently lethal. She was looking super bad and she was not able to stand

and she drank her urine. And we did a couple other things that like that were helpful as well. But she was up walking like within a few hours as if nothing happened. I'm not credible. Yeah, not claiming that will happen for everyone is anecdotal. Got to give those disclaimers. But these things, these things happen. So and, and this is where like when you look at the womb or what's happening, people think that babies, and this was believed that babies don't get toxins in the womb, they're protected.

But the environmental working group did a study on this to find out, okay, let's just test 400 of the hundreds of thousands of chemicals that are in existence. Let's just 400 of them. How many did they find? 287. Of those, how many were proven to cause birth defects, brain deformations and cancer?

180 plus. Wow. It's like a venom. It's poison, toxicology. It's, you know, this is about the study of poisons and venoms and so, anyway, so when you get a poison then in your body and you think about what's happening to this baby, it's coming through the umbilical cord.

How does it survive the womb? It's growing and yet it's getting given all these toxins. And then why is it drinking its urine constantly? Oh, well, that's because it's signaling metabolites. What the body does is it gives you those antibodies, just as you understand it. Then it drinks it, it's signaling the removal of those poisons. And that's what we've seen documented when we do the advanced lab work, when people take their urine before they'll see some markers that say I got mercury and lead but then they do urine therapy it drops their markers like they're doing chelation therapy. So when you talk about drinking your urine like what is like

if someone's like all right Jonathan this sounds you semi, I might be on board. Right? Like what's the first step to become a urine drinker? Oh yeah. Well, you are the one that knows that better than anyone else. But, you know, when my buddy Sean Kelly did this, this is like, we're traveling,

so we've got like a plastic bottle, right? So better to do glass, whatever. But- So this is your urine. Yeah. And people will say apple juice. Someone said that for your comments. So they, yeah. And people like, no, it's not real. Exactly. I remember I was doing a demonstration in Kenya where I like said, because they even believe me as well, even out there. And I was saying like, this is how we can get through the famine. Cause

it's real famine. And then they smell it and then like they look with this look of disgust. And then everyone then believes it, even though someone was sacrificed according to their perception. But yeah, that's urine. But anyway, I'm not gonna make you smile. Okay, so this urine, how do you do it? Well, one is like, I'm not- Do I need to drink a tablespoon?

All of my urine, like when should I drink it? Like, I mean, what? Yeah, first thing, there's no rules to urine therapy. Okay. Yeah. Just. All right. Yeah, exactly. Because there's no rules. There's no protocols. But what did the cultures do that came before us? They drink their first morning urine and someone's going, oh,

that's the one it's like really yellow. And this is I'm not as hydrated as I should be right now. Right. So then it's okay., so that's real. Like I'm at an event, I'm traveling, running from one place to another. I was up till like 2 a.m. last night and got up at seven. That's not enough sleep. Don't take that as advice.

That's a one-off though. But anyway, so this, yeah, so then you just do this. And just sip it? You can sip it or you could chug. I normally chug it because it's in the morning. Dude, is that not leaving like the nasty smell on your lips or anything like that? It's,

look, it tastes better than beer. I don't drink beer, but I have tasted beer and it tastes bad. And it's very much a social thing. But like, if you put that on ice, and that's the thing, like if you- You're gonna put that on, you put that on ice? Yeah ice yeah do you ever just like so you just like sipping it i just no i know i i do just chug it because i'm hardcore but not everyone that's watching in your hardcore but not everyone

is watching the high courts you don't have to be hardcore you could just ah we we play full baby let's go yeah well you could you could put like electrolyte mixed stuff. You could make it cold. So when you're drinking it, like, I mean, you're throwing. Do people put this on ice? They add flavor to it. Like, exactly. Yes, you could do all that. And like, firstly, if I said blenders taste bad,

what would you tell me? Splenda blenders, like a blender where you blend up something. Oh, yeah. Right. It's not true, right. Blenders don't taste bad. But like if blenders taste bad, what does that mean? Right. Somebody's not putting the right things in it. Right, for sure. Same.

You can put the right things in. You can flavor it up. You can add it. Do you add to a shake? Yeah, exactly. But that... So what you're saying is true, but what I'm meaning is that whatever you put in your body is what you're tasting.

Yeah. So if you didn't put anything in your body is what you're tasting. Yeah. So if you didn't put anything in your body in your fasting, it would taste like water. And if I did a switcheroo in the cups and maybe one had like a pinch of salt in it, like you wouldn't be able to tell which one was it. I've heard when diabetics have high blood sugar that their pee is sweet. Is that correct? Yeah.

Well, that's what diabetes means. Sweet urine. That's the, that's what the word means. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. See, I've only have one experience with taste my, you know, I'm diabetic. So and my blood sugar was fine at the time. So it wasn't sweet when I yeah, interesting. Yeah. So there's one of my colleagues is Dr. Tony Jimenez, but he did a study on type two diabetes with

urine therapy. And he found it amazing for helping to reverse type 2 diabetes. Incredible. Yeah. Incredible. So let's go back. So drink first urine of the day, drink the whole thing is recommended. Okay, sure. And like, what if you want to just you're like, hey, I'm all in, right?

Like Jonathan, I'm all in. Should I be drinking every pee of every day? Yeah, you should. Okay, I'll give you like, I'm saying I'm saying all in what's Yeah, exactly. I'll give you two extremes, like five drops in a dropper. There's a stream like one in water diluted or homeopathic form where you put it in a bottle, throw the water out, throw the urine out and then put water in and then throw that out and then put throw the water in throw that out. And then that's like a homeopathic form where you put it in a bottle, throw the water out, throw the urine out and then put water in and then throw that out and then throw the water in and throw that

out and then that's like a homeopathic form in that it's got the information there because there's a trace, trace amount of it. But yeah, it's kind of wussy, but anyway, but the homeopath square bite still the homeopathic form of urine. But okay, now let's go the other side of that like, and then then middle ground three ounces to five ounces. Oh, no, we don't do middle ground. Yeah, exactly. So what's what's still amazing.

OK, now now like I'm going on Sean Kelly's podcast again, to get another beat down like I did last time with being accused of being R Kelly. And anyway, so Teresa Lolley, who just ran this bio hack yourself event with the big hitters like Gary Brecker and Dave Asprey and all the guys and so she's hosting the event and her mom said and she I'm telling her what I'm about to talk on and she says it's crazy my mom thinks that like what I do with like biohacking is like a fad because of what happened when when I was a child when when she had ovarian cancer and she fasted

for 20 days and just drank her own urine for 20 days and fasted the whole time and she became cancer free. And so you'll just keep hearing these stories. If you scratch enough and especially for cultures that are more attached to it, they'll tell you these stories and then you'd say, oh yeah, that's a story. And again, you asked about the moderation. So that's the extreme. But then like the other middle ground is like, you know, a cup, a full cup of your first morning urine and people will start feeling a ton of things. So are we, are we just talking about drinking it?

I've heard there's like benefits for your skin, hair, like what else are we doing? We bathing in this stuff. Yeah, yeah. Well, for starters, there was some societies where it was illegal to collect your own infant newborn babies urine and public servants would be waiting at the door to collect those pampers, those diapers and ring them out for the royalty to bathe in. What?

It's a real thing? Well, it's exactly what we're doing right now with the stem cells. When the women are pregnant, and now that's the only urine that's fine because it's the amniotic fluid and we're using a different name for it. Even those guys in the know, people that got money, they're like, yeah, put the money down on it. But it's the amniotic fluid and we're using a different name for it. And well, even those guys in the know,

people that got money, they're like, yeah, put the money down on it. But it's the same thing. It's only available to the ultra wealthy instead of to everyone. Regenerative therapies, you think God might've been like a fair God that maybe let everyone play, but just it was, depending on how open your mind was,

that's how you can access these amazing things that God has made, but your mind is closed. And so yeah, you gotta be ultra wealthy. And then still you'll get a couple of treatments a year instead of like, you look at the fact that stem cells are in a breast milk, and then you realize that stem cells are supposed to be ingested.

So it's like, yeah, you get them injected twice a year. I drink them every day. So let's go. So the thing that, this is the thing that makes sense for me. So I am a big believer in God and like that the things of the earth is the way that God intended us to live, right?

And our bodies are ways to access God in different ways, whether it's through breath work, urine therapy, whatever it may be, right? And so what rings true to me is like we have been indoctrinated to trust men and synthetic material, whether it's pharmaceuticals, food or whatnot, that's made by man more than the things that are made by God, right?

And so like, I believe that the world, like the purpose of the opposite of the creator is to try to indoctrinate us to trust men more than God. And where the real purpose of life is to figure out how to stay close and trust God more than man. And so for me that makes sense, right? Like, you know, obviously it sounds a little crazy to my indoctrinated mind, but I'm definitely open to it. So that's what I love about it.

No, that's awesome. I noticed that with your mind, like it's like you in some ways you couldn't stop thinking about it. And that's what happened to me too, where it was this kind of awe and wonder and mystery of wow, like I can't believe that what if God made me so that I didn't have to pull out a credit card, go on Amazon and buy products when I've got problems. It's a self-sustaining system. And this is the concept of autologous healing, which is healing arising from your own cells and tissues. This is like the Holy Grail, and it does connect people to God. And it gives a sense of

peace and confidence in not only God, but in yourself of saying, wow, like I'm, I'm, I'm set. And so like, I'm out in the wilderness and there's venomous creatures come from Australia. Everyone's like, everything wants to kill you in Australia. And you have less fear when you know what's available to you. And, and same with like the things that happened over the past four or so years and the kinds of dramatic health benefits, effects that the horrific stories that have come out and all the people that have suffered,

all the people that have lost lives. And then you look at how these things have actually helped these people and then that's what I've been doing. And that's why I was willing to go public on this. And yeah, you mentioned again, like with RFK Jr. And he was in some films of mine even going back way back 10 years.

And so, you know, something that just happened, for example, with the confirmation, was something that we didn't really expect to happen. We were willing to be fringe forever, because it's like children's lives have been on the line for a long time without saying too much here. But, you know, this was how people are able to get it. And I've seen this in extreme cases. And I get

asked to present frequently in medical conferences to talk about how to help people that have had all kinds of things happen to them recently from things they put in their bodies. Well, I mean, dude, it's a it's a beautiful time that we live in where, like I said, people are waking up, like, you would never believed a couple years ago that a guy like RFK Jr. could be the head of health, right, for the United States. Like, people are finally waking up to like these alternative methods,

the more natural, the homeopathic and stuff. And so it's pretty awesome that you're pushing it. Now, obviously you get a lot of initial knee-jerk reaction pushback when you say something like this. When you go against the way somebody's been indoctrinated, and they don't feel indoctrinated, they just feel like that's truth, right? Like that's how life is or whatnot.

So like, how do you handle situations like that? It's funny, and I asked that knowing and seeing how we kind of went through that this morning with my wife. So for those that are watching, it was interesting before we jumped on this, I had posted this video of me drinking my own urine, and my wife had watched it right before I called her to wish her happy Valentine's Day.

And it was like immediately like, there was like this just huge turn off right like knee-jerk reaction like I'm never gonna kiss you again stay down in ooh, like, yeah, and I noticed there's a little bit of like, hey babe, you know, yeah. I think so we'll actually show a quick clip of that and we'll show you how Jonathan actually dealt a little bit with this. That's it, we're done. Hey, you're gonna, we're done, Wow. This is the thing. I'm sorry.

She's still smiling so she loves me. She loves me. She's just, you know, it's a knee-jerk reaction right now. Yeah. Yeah, true. So when your baby, as your beautiful five children were born, did you have any trouble kissing them as soon as they came out of the womb? Yes. You did, yeah? Yeah. My last one, they put him right on my chest

and I was like, somebody needs to clean him up, please. My wife still freaks out about it, even though she does it, not as regularly as I do it, but she still freaks out about it. So it's kind of, I think it's an indoctrination thing, but like it's, you know, if it's going to save someone's life, which I've seen it save people's lives, like literally people on their deathbeds. So talking about, uh, urine therapy is awesome. You're also very involved in other health benefit and different homeopathic things like red light. So my wife,

the interesting thing is like really hard for her to like accept any of this type of but then she became more open minded. Just as talking with her. But she's totally into different health practices and she's been using red light for the last five months. Every morning she gets in, 5 30 a.m. she wakes up, she goes and gets under a couple blankets of red light and after that she does a cold plunge and then she goes to the hot tub. And this has been like a transformative time in her life, right? Like I've seen her health improve, her body aches and skin and just all different types of her attitude and mentality and like, just like our relationship has improved.

It's been pretty awesome. So like, give us more, like help us understand the science of that. Yeah, absolutely. And it always makes me so happy to hear things like this because you just look at what the future looks like. You guys, you know, the world at your feet, successful, you know, selling companies, large exits.

And, you know, that's why a lot of the guys follow you. And then, and then your whole world starts collapsing because you're, you know, the love of your life, her health is gradually declining. Things become less sweet, less beautiful, less romantic. Let's, you know, everything everything is got like this muffler on it. And then you keep going down the line and I just, what do you think I hear every day?

These horrific cancer diagnoses and people have no hope and they literally get handed this death sentence. And again, not saying that that was the future, but it is for so many people. And then you find things. And then everything changes. And that's something that like Mel Gibson recently talked about on Rogan's show,

where he talked about three stage four cancer patients that are all free from cancer, and he listed the things. And these are the things I've been talking about in my films for 10 years in more detail, because he kind of lists it as best as he understood it, which he kind of vaguely touched on it. But to answer on red light therapy,

the reason why it's been so beneficial for your wife, and it's helping, for example, women with their thyroid, women have about 10 times a greater risk of thyroid problems, as an example, for every one man, every 10 women face a thyroid disease. It's regenerative of the thyroid problems, as an example. For every one man, every 10 women face a thyroid disease. It's regenerative of the thyroid gland, as an example, which is a game changer. And it drops the need for medication in clinical studies.

And then if you can regenerate your thyroid, you can actually not just continue to decline and you lose your thyroid function and all hell breaks loose and you just lose all like normalcy in your life. And then you go over to something like breast cancer. There was a study done on four different wavelengths for breast cancer.

It was 615, these are nanometers, so if it's red, it's around the 600 and 700, so they tested these different red wavelengths, 615, 630, 660, 730, and they found it was just the one 660 that was able to drop breast tumor proliferation by 40% in 24 hours. This is a PubMed study. 24 hours.

Yes, it was in vitro, but it was a human cell line, meaning it was in a petri dish, but it was a human cell line of both triple negative and non-triple negative breast tumor cell lines, and in both cell lines it did this. So then women need to know that 660 nanometer wavelength, I'm not saying that you can prevent breast cancer, I'm just saying you should know about this.

And then, you know, better alternatives than mammography is thermography as an example, because it's detecting, you know, breast cancer when it's a pinhead instead of a lump. But then, you know, how do you get ahead of that? Be preventative rather than waiting. And if that's one of the best therapies for this. And again, let's go let's go human studies now and large human study.

That's a human study, but let's go large case studies like prostate cancer. Four hundred and thirteen participants, a European medical study major journal. Forty nine percent completely go into remission in a two year period on the red light therapy. The control group that didn't take it, 13.5%. Four times greater likelihood of beating cancer. These guys all, generally speaking to my knowledge and assumptions, all did conventional therapies

or mostly did conventional therapies. So question for you, right now my dad is battling prostate cancer. Okay, well. Okay, so and the recommendation, so it's not like super aggressive or like, and he's, he's frankly not really worried about it. But the recommendation has been to get

radiation. Okay. What would you say to a situation like that? Sure. I'm really sensitive with this kind of thing. And so I can't give like, you give like advice and so forth. You're not giving advice, you're just telling me like what if. Yeah exactly, and here's what I would do. Alright, what would you do? Yeah, so, okay, so if you got a problem, you know cancer is not a foreign invader. That's what people need to know, it's your own dysregulation in your body.

So like let's say, you know, it's not in the breast, so you chop your breasts off or, you know, take a preemptive strike like Angelina Jolie. So you just cut them off before it happens. But like, it doesn't stop it from coming out anywhere else. It just won't be breast cancer. It'd be some other type of cancer. The dysregulation is the issue. So the issue is what caused this in the first place?

How do we get to the root of this so that not only do we potentially use that same therapy to uproot the cause that means the downstream issue, which is actually the tumor cells, are actually down the stream. The up the stream is the toxins that actually cause it in the first place. Let's work with that and then resolve that. And so these strategies, we're seeing them work. And that's an example. So one thing is like referencing that study that I just talked about is, well, according to that study, which was, you know, 10 control centers in Europe, a two-year study, his likelihood is four times greater, even if he chose the radiation or not, generally speaking, across that 413 group, that it would be four times greater survival rate if he did it. That's one example. And then you look at, like,

what were the things that Mel Gibson referenced? And, we've got to be careful I'll give you editing privileges on this but um because you know it's your platform and so I you know I gotta be so sensitive here but you know Mel Gibson didn't even really want to answer Joe Rogan's questions he says it was ivermectin fenbendazole these are anti-parasitic they're part of a critical part of a cancer protocol because what happens with stem cells are interfered with parasites because they're intracellular. And it's something called the mitochondrial stem cell connection that's disrupted by parasites.

And they're draining the energy of the cells. And then when the voltage of the body is low, then disease thrives. And your body can't combat disease normally. And so now, killing the parasites, red light therapy actually does kill parasites. And then if you take an anti-parasitic together with a red light therapy device,

then you've put the whole thing on steroids. And in clinical studies, and I'm not just saying that, I think it does. So doctor, you have cancer, hypothetically, this type of cancer. Doctor recommends radiation. What do you do? I wouldn't do it.

So what would you do? I would do anti-parasitics. I'd do the ivermectin, fenbendazole. I'd do the red light therapy. I'd be doing it daily, 30 minutes. I'd have my prostate and the rest of my body just up against it, about three inches away from the device. I'd have a full body device.

So wouldn't say full body, like, from here to here kind of thing, as one example, it's more examples, and then I would be doing, okay, editing privileges again, like I mentioned, this one's very controversial, that's going to deliver around 10,700,000 oxygen molecules for every red blood cell in the body. Disease is, I'm saying is often,

I would say it's always oxygen deprivation. So you can't live without food, but you can live for a good amount of months for a lot of people without food. You can live how long without water. How long can you live without oxygen? Oxygen is the most critical aspect, and so if you can deliver oxygen to the cells,

so I'd be doing, strangely enough I'd be doing nicotine because of what's happened because of how it competes with all these pesticides that you're out smoking cigarettes. No, I'd be never smoked. Well, maybe I was 14 once or twice, but never really smoked. So yeah, gum patches, gums or patches. Yeah. Yeah. And I'd look for the cleanest types of ones out there. But it's, it's helping a lot of people and there's amazing clinical studies on it from Parkinson's disease to Tourette syndrome

to aggression with autism. There's long lists of studies, schizophrenia even, with nicotine, surprisingly. Fact check me on all of this. Just put in the words nicotine. Well, it's interesting. The body naturally produces nicotine, right? And it comes actually from a lot of fruits and vegetables.

It just is in a higher concentration from the tobacco leaf. There you go, exactly. Well, your body naturally has receptors for the nicotine and they're called alpha seven nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. It's specifically the seventh receptor on this. It's the critical one that gets, it's like I'm saying it's like a primary target

of certain toxins and poisons in our environment, is why it's you know people then get paralyzed with something like Yarn Beret and I've seen cases of this and then they take nicotine and they're up walking and I'm not exaggerating these are real case studies so these are yeah it's great so to finalize your answer those are some of the big hitters and there's more there. I would go for a plant-based diet. I'd go back to the Garden of Eden. And I'd be eating a lot of raw foods. And I'd be using that kind of dietary protocol.

I'd be getting super hydrated. If hydrogen water, probably go to deuterium depleted water. Yeah, it's interesting. My mom was suffering from the, like, what's the crazy arthritis where you're like crippling arthritis? Oh yeah, well rheumatoid arthritis. Rheumatoid arthritis, thank you. So my mom several years ago was suffering from rheumatoid

arthritis to the point where she couldn't get out of bed and she shifted her diet just to a raw diet and she did that for six years and within six months of doing that she was completely healed Wow, and she's she's never struggled with it since well, and so yeah, it's it's been it's pretty pretty remarkable just like the natural benefits that we can get from these things and And and I love like what you were you're talking about with with red lights So like this is that's like one of the main things that you focus on, right? Like that's one of your businesses. Tell us about that.

Yeah, absolutely man. So yeah, red light therapy, because I believe in it so much, I went deep into the research and worked at how best to like create devices that would have all of the different specifications that show up in these studies, which is not typical, because it's wavelengths. You heard me talk about wavelengths. Right, 660.

There you go, now you know it. And now you kind of know that. But if it was something in the brain, it would be 800 and up, because it needs to be near infrared. It's not visible to the eye, but it's gonna penetrate deeper, go through the skull, go through the lungs, used for all kinds of lung conditions. One study showed an overall response rate

of over 87% for lung cancer, actually. Interesting. And that overall response rate of over 87% for lung cancer actually. Like, so, and that's response rates. So meaning that people were getting dramatic improvement. But, and then, so like all these different wavelengths, for example, what I did with, when I was creating a red light device was to put nine different wavelengths in it.

And, you know, obviously working with manufacturers that had done this for decades, but then working out how do you then make sure that you've got the right chips in it, for example, like there's a 21 mil chip, there's a 42 mil chip, that one's gonna give you a higher irradiance, so okay, that's that. And you know, most people don't know this,

none the wiser. Irradiance is critical, and that's the difference between fire infrared, where the irradiance is super low, so it's literally 10, 20 times higher. So there's a huge where the irradiance is super low. So it's literally 10 to 20 times higher. So there's a huge difference in irradiance. Yes, exactly. So fire infrared is really good for heating the core body temperature, but because 90% of the power is going into heat, not into light, whereas with light emitting

diodes, LEDs, then and with high irradiance devices, then 90% of the power is going into light. And so then that's what feeds the mitochondria, produces adenosine triphosphate which is the energy powerhouse of the cell, corrects the stem cell production in your body. That's like getting stem cells every day doing. That's how crazy it is and people are seeing benefits like your wife regenerating thyroid glands and you probably find out she may not be needing that like medications for example for thyroid condition stuff.

So yeah, so we made sure to put the wavelengths and the irradiance, these critical factors that will make something that would actually work. And we've seen, I've gotta be careful what I say, but things that I wouldn't even believe. And like you think about, we're talking about thyroid health this morning, like people like a woman, Shannon, she was Graves' disease,

so hyperactive thyroid, hyperthyroidism. And she was bed, like hardly able to walk. Her blood markers were so bad. Her doctors were saying, do not go and do anything physical. She was wanting to compete in a marathon. And again, this is an anecdotal case study, but she got herself in front of the red light panel, the one that we've got. And then within two and a half weeks, she was doing it every day for 30 minutes. But again, over her whole body thyroid, she went and competed in the marathon. Her blood markers normalized.

The doctor was like, we don't know what's happening here, but we just see these cases all the time. That's awesome. Yeah. I love it, I love it. So if people wanted to like look at the products or whatnot, because obviously, you know, we love the science, we love the things like,

man, sell us some stuff. Like where do we go get it? Absolutely, man. Yeah, so my company is Red Life. So, and you can find us at- Spelled L-I-F-E? Yeah, yeah, for life. Yeah, Red Life.

And my- Is that redlifed.com? No, don't go there. Sounds bad. Yeah. Go, go, go. Do we edit that? No, y'all go to redlifed.com. All right, where do we go? Myredlight. Yeah. Do we edit that? No. Go to redlife.com.

All right. Where do we go? My red light dot com. My red light spelled L I G H T. Correct. My red light dot com. Yes. Awesome.

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you've heard what I've been talking about I'm clearly committed to life change you're passionate about it so I'm just like what I do to push people over the edge so we made our stuff super competitive like crazy like super affordable and it outperforms everything when it comes to like, it costs like it costs you less than a single supplement, you have to order that thing every month, this thing is one and done one time or you do it on monthly payments. But it'll cost you less than a single supplement because and then use it for the whole family. It's crazy, man, like red light is the most affordable thing to do and have one in your home, going to a clinic will cost you like typically about eight grand a year, like, because it's

a every treatment's like a hundred bucks and you got to do like three a week if you want to be on, you know, on top. Anyway, the code code is give us the code, baby. Next level. Next level. We're getting a little discount on that thing. Big discount. Awesome.

Awesome. Hey, so everybody head over, get your products. I'm going to be probably buying a few things. Awesome. Awesome. Hey, so everybody head over, get your products. I'm going to be probably buying a few things. Yeah, I do love a love a good, good deal, especially on a good product. And just so you guys know, like he's legit, like, from a from a standpoint of like, we've talked a lot the last couple days, he's never once tried to sell me on anything. It's all it's just been like, he's passionate, like

I love your passion. I love I love like your belief in what you're doing and like the mission behind it and everything else, which is like super respectable. And yeah, man, just love what you're all about. Right. Thank you. That means a lot, man. Yeah, absolutely. Like, no, you're you're you're like a one in a million kind of guy.

And I think that's why everyone loves who's following you. But it's like you get that kind of energy. It's like that friendship is everything. And like for anyone, it's like, you get that kind of energy. It's like that friendship is everything. And like for anyone that's like wanting to connect with like big players, it's just, you know, go for that, like the heart of what it is, it's someone who they are. You just, like opportunities has come up.

Like this just came up for this to happen. It's like, but what were we committed to? Like a friendship and like your family and you view with me, like my family and my well-being and my financial well-being, you started connecting me straight away. Like, bro, this guy last night was just, his mission last night at a big networking party

was just to introduce me to people because he's that kind of guy, man. Like you do not wanna follow anyone but this guy, I'm telling you, like that's good stuff, bro. I appreciate it, I appreciate it. Speaking of following, what's the best place to like follow you? What platform do you are you most active on? Yeah, absolutely Instagram is great Cool. Yeah, and what's your yeah, so like if you just remember my name Jonathan Otto It'd be easy but like John it's John oh dot auto J o n n o dot o t t o. All right

We'll put it in the notes. Yeah sure. We get a bunch of falls for you. That's awesome, bro And why I remember as well when you're looking for a red light panel, look at dual LEDs, that's super interesting, because it's even spread then. And you've got like if you're looking at like, say, 288 LEDs, it's dual, so it's 576. And so we did something that allowed that to double its benefit and impact. So just, you know, look for things that like, just like in business, like what what makes something the best, like do that because your body's like a Ferrari, right? So like, give it the best stuff and get the highest quality products and yeah,

awesome. Dude, appreciate so much having you on the show, dude. It's been so good. Right. Thank you. Until next time.