Next Level Pros - #22:Tim Ballard: Founder of Operation Underground Railroad, Sound Of Freedom Inspiration, Former CIA

Episode Date: August 3, 2023

Join me and donate to The Spear Fund, empower the global efforts led by Tim Ballard. Make a lasting impact today: https://thespearfund.org/founderpodcast. Join Chris Lee in this gripping episode of The Founder Podcast as he sits down with the remarkable Tim Ballard, founder of Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.) and a dedicated advocate against child trafficking. In a departure from Chris's usual entrepreneurial conversations, this episode delves deep into Tim's extraordinary journey of rescuing children from the clutches of sex trafficking and child labor worldwide. Tim's background as a former special agent for the Department of Homeland Security, working undercover to infiltrate child trafficking networks, provides a unique perspective. His determination to combat child exploitation led him to establish O.U.R., a nonprofit organization dedicated to eradicating child trafficking. Tim's incredible efforts have even been recognized by influential figures, including a personal encounter with a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Discover how Tim's unshakable faith, along with his unyielding commitment to fighting this heinous crime, has driven him to rescue and rehabilitate victims globally. Explore the intersections of faith, activism, and entrepreneurship as Chris Lee delves into Tim Ballard's awe-inspiring story of making a difference and fighting for justice on an international scale. HIGHLIGHTS "It's the unfortunate truth of society. Everybody draws an opinion one side or the other, of somebody that's going out and doing something." "Nothing great has ever been accomplished without creating just a device. Right? Like, it's the unfortunate truth of society." "The Constitution matters. It's a document that God inspired, the Founding Fathers will tell you that. TIMESTAMPS 00:00: Introduction 05:26: How Did The Story Come About? 08:46: The Covenant On This Land 15:35: No Exceptions To The Constitution 18:57: Covenant On Liberty 21:33: Your Message 28:40: Government Vs. The Masses 31:54: Children Matter 35:13: Sex Addiction & Pornography 41:56: Dealing With The Dark Moment 45:06: Invoking The Covenant 47:34: Scalable Approach To Rescuing Kids 🚀 Join my community - Founder Acceleration https://www.founderacceleration.com 🤯 Apply for our next Mastermind https://www.thefoundermastermind.com ⛳️ Golf with Chris https://www.golfwithchris.com 🎤 Watch my latest Podcast Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-founder-podcast/id1687030281 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/1e0cL2vI1JAtQrojSOA7D2?si=dc252f8540ee4b05 YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@thefounderspodcast

It shows how sick we are as a nation, that we put politics and even our perception of people and a person above everything. It blinds you to everything else. Truth doesn't matter. Science doesn't matter. God doesn't matter. I want to hate the person. Children don't matter at all. And that's why Sound of Freedom is being attacked, because they don't want to have this conversation about the 85,000 children. Welcome to the Founder Podcast,

where we explore the journeys of some of the most successful and inspiring entrepreneurs from around the world. I'm your host, Chris Lee, a serial entrepreneur with a passion for building and growing businesses. Throughout my career, I founded multiple nine-figure businesses and learned a thing or two about what it takes to succeed in the world of business. I want to share those lessons with you by searching out the coolest guests on planet earth and have them share their own incredible stories. But this podcast, it's not just for entrepreneurs. It's for anyone that's looking to be inspired by these stories of people who've overcome incredible odds and create something truly remarkable. So join me on this journey as we explore the fascinating world of entrepreneurship

and meet the founders that are shaping it today. Let's dive in. What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of the Founder Podcast. Today, we have an extremely special guest. So typically, I'm interviewing entrepreneurs that have incredible exits, whatnot. But this is a subject that I am more passionate about than anything, more than business. It goes right up there with God. And today, we are going to be talking with Mr. Tim Ballard. Welcome to the show, Tim. Tim is the founder of OUR. He's written several different books. The guy has gone around the world serving missions,

rescuing children from sex trafficking and child labor. It's absolutely incredible what he is doing. You probably heard about his most recent movie that's come out, The Sound of Freedom. I was able to watch it on July 3rd, the day before the official release. I mean, it's rocking the box offices, 130 million. You got so many cool things going on, Tim. Welcome to the show. Thanks so much. Great to be here. Oh, man. And also, I am joined by my co-founder, business partner, Daryl Kelly. Daryl,

as you guys know, has been one of my business partners for many, many years. We started business 18 years ago, and I wanted to have him on the show just because it was a special one, being able to hang and spend a little time with you, Tim, jump in. It's interesting. There's not many things that I donate my money to. I donate my money to God, to religion, because I really believe in that, and I've donated my money to. I donate my money to God, to religion, because I really believe in that. And I've donated my money into saving children from sex trafficking. Those are the only two I've ever donated my money to. So I'm really excited to have you. Dude, tell us a little bit your story. Obviously, if anybody has seen the movie, they know that you were a government,

you worked for the government. Kind of dive into that a little bit. Yeah, yeah. So I spent 12 years as a special agent undercover operator for the Department of Homeland Security, working almost exclusively child crimes cases. So infiltrating child trafficking networks, infiltrating on a digital approach, undercover approach, everything. And in 2006, the laws changed in the United States with the passage of a law called the Adam Walsh Child Protect Act. What it did was it allowed U.S. agents to go overseas to find American pedophiles who were abusing children overseas, and we could hold them accountable as if they had committed those crimes on U.S. soil. That changed my world,

because not only was I just doing kind of the end user, like those possessing child rape material, but now it's, let's go find the kids that they're hurting. No one could have predicted what would happen after that, but, you know, when you work in a bureaucratic system, see, the problem is child trafficking knows no borders and boundaries. Unfortunately, bureaucracy does. And so I ran into a lot of problems where I'd get really deep

and then told to come home because I didn't link it quick enough or strong enough back to the U.S. And you don't just find the Americans right away, right? You could take some time, but you don't care. You don't care what kind of, what the kid is. I don't care what nationality the kid is. It's a child of God and it doesn't matter. So I'm committed emotionally in every other way,

in ways that transcend governments or borders or boundaries. And so the U.S. government didn't mean to, but it was kind of torturous, like, got to come home, got to come home. But I made myself the bait, you know. 2013 comes around, and I'm working two cases, one in Haiti, where a little boy who was kidnapped from Haiti, but he was a U.S. citizen. I promised his father when I met him in 2012 that I would never stop until I found his son. We were narrowing in on him, and then I was told, stop, not a U.S. case.

U.S. citizen kid, yes, but not a U.S. case. It was Haitian crime. And I'm like, well, geez, then the Haitians aren't doing anything about it. The father is by himself. At the same time, I was consulting in Colombia on a different matter, fighting human trafficking. And you see that depicted in the film Side of Freedom. So let's dive a little bit into it. So everybody that's jumped in the movie theater the last few weeks, obviously, what is it, like we're hitting 130 million? I think that's where we're about to approach, yeah.

Wild, okay. So everybody knows that story that's seen it, right? And if you haven't seen it, go and see it. It's an incredible message that we need to basically shine the light on these seen it, right? And if you haven't seen it, go and see it. It's an incredible message that we need to basically shine the light on these cockroaches, right? Let the world know what's happening so that we can go and fight it. But this other story, and I know this isn't a story that you have told very often. And I actually had the opportunity to hear this story from a good friend of mine, Russell Brunson. And because he had kind

of firsthand experience, let's dive into that experience. So how did this all come about? So, and we talked offline a little bit. I've never told this story. I've never felt it was appropriate, but I think it is. I think I will tell it. You and I share the same faith, and so we know, you know, have a little more context here, but I was, it was actually a member, I'm not going to say the name of the person, but it was a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who's our high leadership, right? In the Catholic Church, that'd be like a cardinal, basically calling you in. Very concerned because there's a little boy who was a member of this congregation of our church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So how did he get a hold of you?

Well, he had called me into his office maybe the year before because he had read one of my books. Oh, really? And it was called The American Covenant. And the book talks about basically this idea that the founding fathers understood. And it's backed by the Bible. In fact, the founding fathers quoted out of the Bible more than any other source upon building the nation. That's proven. A guy named Donald Lutz did a whole study on it,

and it's overwhelming that the most influential piece of literature that instructed and influenced the founding fathers was the Bible, particularly Deuteronomy, the book that tells you how to build one nation under God. It's also backed by a book that you and I believe in called the Book of Mormon, which is this concept of a covenant on the land. If you are righteous, you will prosper in the land is a summary of it. The founders believed that. They believed that righteousness was key. George Washington said in his first inaugural address that the blessings of heaven can never be expected

on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which heaven itself has ordained. That's right out of the Bible. That's right out of the Book of Mormon. It's right out of the Judeo-Christian thinking, which that's how you build one nation under God. So I've written a series of books, in fact, that touch that theme. Yeah, I actually had the opportunity to read the Washington Covenant,

or what was it called? The Washington Hypothesis. Yeah, fantastic book. Yeah, for anybody looking for a good read, it's awesome. So he reads this book. What was it that stuck out about him that's like, man, I need to have this guy in my house? Well, he called me in and he said,

I want to help you. The nation needs this. And it wasn't about the Church of Jesus Christ, the Latter-day Saints, the Mormons. It wasn't about that at all. It was about this is a message that needs to get out to the world that righteousness does bring forth the blessings of heaven. And if we're losing liberties, if we're going crazy,

and it's because we're not turning to God, we're pushing God out, which is something that's this horrific trend that's happened since about the 60s, 70s, and it's just getting worse and worse and worse. And when you take God out, it gets backfilled by all sorts of crazy things that are now affecting children, right? And see, now here's the part that he helped me understand, that the world of fighting human trafficking, and child trafficking in particular, and this world of the covenant on the land are the same.

It took me years and actually guidance from this spiritual mentor to help me actually see the same thing. And here's the analogy he gave me. He said, imagine you are as a child rescuer, whatever you want to call me, but that's like standing in the waterfall and bodies are falling and some are alive and some are dead and you're trying to get as many as you can to resuscitate and that's great. Someone's got to be there. But at some point, you got to go upstream.

Why are the bodies falling in? What kind of wicked culture or system or whatever it is, or bad policies or whatever it is that's allowing this to happen, you better get up there. And once you get up there, what you're going to find is there's only one solution. There's only one solid, effective guardrail that's going to keep kids and others from falling in. It's the covenant on this land.

It's what built this nation. It's what built ancient Israel. It's the only thing that can build a solid family and a personal life. And so that's kind of the connecting point. And so he was kind of helping me with that, helping me message it and bringing in really powerful people, like experts in the field, like a guy named Ken Krogh, who he's the founder of Inside Sales. He's now, he's now on the board of the Spear Fund, which is something we'll talk about in a second. But so anyway, so he's kind of helping me, you know, with that and just guiding me. And, and that's when one time you know maybe the 11th

meeting we were meeting he said i want to talk about something else he said this little boy was kidnapped from our church from our congregation and uh i want you you know i want you to go find him whatever you can do to find him i was in i was in the government at the time so i uh i went i i tried i tried but now i tap into the world i was this is i was already in the government at the time. So I tried. I tried, but now I tap into the world. I was already in the kind of frustrating phase of, no, you can't, no, you can't, no, you can't. And it's not, I'm not pointing the finger at my bosses. I probably have to say the same thing to myself.

Jurisdictional limitations, budgetary problems, you know, continuing resolutions in Congress where that means you don't have a budget because the congress can't agree on a budget right so so many obstacles and we couldn't get these cases done um and i came back to to this spiritual mentor this apostle and said i can't i can't do it you know this is the same time this time had you gone down and tried oh yeah made some effort like, I had made some effort. I had talked to the father. I had done a whole analysis. I was sending informants with my own money into Haiti. We had identified the location where we thought he was being kept at a false orphanage already.

It was killing me. It's like, I got to get in there. I got to get in there. And that's when I lost my authority and funding. At the same time this is happening, by the way, you can go to PragerU and they just launched a series on PragerU called Light in the Darkness, which it's an amazing

docuseries that tells this whole story. Also the story is told on a documentary that Russell Brunson executive produced called Operation 2 Saint. It's on Amazon Prime. It's really good. Or YouTube.

Free. So that whole story is there. At the same time, this is happening. The Columbia thing is happening. Okay. But we'll save that. People can watch that. That's the story of Sound of Freedom.

So he basically, I came back and I said, the only way I could possibly find this kid, and by the way, any of these kids in Columbia, I'd have to quit my job. And, you know, he was very encouraging. He said, well, want a blessing? No. I'm like, yeah, I might need like 12 blessings. And so that's kind of the origin story. I mean, of course, I found newspaper articles about the boy. It had made it to the Utah Press because the boy was born in Utah.

His name is Garty. So we end up going down, and it's a crazy story. I've written about it in my book, Slave Stealers, and it's in these documentaries. We went down and found the bad guys. They had already sold Garty. We have not found him yet. I was with his father just two days ago in DC. We're still making efforts. The Spear Fund is picking this one up and we're

going to continue looking for this little boy. We did rescue 28 children out of the false orphanage and we ended up adopting two of those kids. So it's a very personal story, but the origin really was, you know, that's... You know, it's interesting. So I heard this same story from a different perspective from Russell Brunson, right? So Russell wasn't involved at the time. You were having these discussions with this certain apostle, right? And he was brought in as a potential, be able to help fund and be able to go and like catapult this right and get it get it get it off the ground and one of the things that he shared with me was just like how much the

spirit of god was involved in this right like just the guidance and and even like this particular apostle um told you guys hey you need to go do this. And according to Russell, he was like, well, how? And he's like, you'll figure it out. Yeah. And just know that God was going to work through you. And I know you shared something off record. I actually would encourage you to share just kind of the words that this particular apostle of encouragement.

Yeah. So it was interesting, right? And yeah, this is the first time I've ever said this out public, but, you know, he said that, and this is crazy. And I have, I'm going to, before I say this, I'm going to tell you, Ken Krogh, who's on the board of the Spear Fund, I was in the room when this happened. And this was 11, 12 years ago. And he said, look, Tim, this message about the upstream stuff, that's where the rescues are really going to happen. It's the preventative stuff. It's the thing that heals the nation.

Again, I'm working on a book about Ronald Reagan. He talked about this. In fact, his inaugural scripture that he put his hands in was from First Chronicles, I believe. But it says that, you know, if you will turn to me, I will heal your land. You know, these are biblical prophecies, right? And that is the key to saving children. And not just children, but it's like look we could all be enslaved i mean we live in a country right now where the constitution is is hanging by a thread like look at the state governors are doing right like like for example

just look at california that's where i'm that's where i'm born and raised right like when covid came in there's no exception in the constitution for pandemics. You can't shut down churches. Like literally the revolutionaries of 70, 76 fought for a lesser cause than that. Yes. The King wasn't shutting down their churches. They would have got, they would have gotten double speed.

Right now, only a third, by the way, the population at that time was actually had, had the power to do it. Two thirds were like, we're not going to fight this, but they were fighting at the end over a 3% tax on a commodity, not even an income tax.

But they weren't being represented. And so they didn't feel like you can give them a 3% tax even on just a commodity because they negotiated down to just tea. Can you imagine what they would have done if the king said, oh, and by the way, smallpox is coming. Shut down all your churches. And what did California do? It rolled over.

And Gavin Newsom became an emperor. The Constitution, it was built for that moment in history, by the way. That moment in history. That's what it's built for. And they all just rolled over. We're from Washington State. Same thing was happening in Washington State, right? Like Governor Inslee, I mean, him and Newsom are best buddies, right?

And we are just sitting over there on Eastern Washington, conservative Eastern Washington. Just fighting, fighting this one. I mean, it was religion, it was business, it was everything. They took away all of our freedom. Wow. Yeah.

State officials? Yes. Wow. wow yeah state officials yes wow yeah oh yeah they there are all kinds of fines that they were going to put on us we fought that bought it to the hill because we weren't wearing masks everything wow wow yeah so so anyway the point is like this the constitution matters it's it was it's a document that that inspired. The Founding Fathers will tell you that. And so we could all be enslaved. I remember this, as a spousal once asked me, he said,

how are you going to rescue any of these kids in the rawest form of slavery when we're all slaves? Like, oh my gosh. Because it can happen that fast. It's happened before that fast. I love happened before that fast. I love looking at the example of North Korea. Yeonmi Park, if you know her, she's a good friend of mine.

She's the most famous North Korean defector. And she talks about how, look, when Ronald Reagan said that liberty can be lost, it's only one generation away. Well, the proof is in the pudding with Korea. Post-World War II was cut in two capitalism and freedom constitutional type principles it was the same country same heritage, same DNA

same natural resources, everything the same but they drew an arbitrary line capitalism here socialism, communism here, up north it didn't even take a generation tyranny freedom it's that quick so ideas do matter right policies do matter right and they can make you a slave really fast and it's slavery and to your point uh i mean covid is the perfect example of this we all experience it we all experience like immediate slavery across the board right i mean sheep doing things that made

no sense double mass triple mass eating in outdoor tents like i mean it was absolutely asinine the the way that uh you know that whole thing so the idea was you got to be a voice for this stuff tim you've written about you you're you've proven it in it through history and that's what this next book i'm putting out the first few books are very LDS based because I use a lot of Book of Mormon principles and stories along with biblical which will

turn off a ton of people they won't even look at them which is fine you don't have to it's all biblical also and so the new book I'm putting out is it's called Ronald Reagan and the Ancient Covenant of Liberty where it's all biblical also. And so the new book I'm putting out is, it's called Ronald Reagan and the Ancient Covenant of Liberty, where it's all, it's just biblical. It's Reagan understood.

It's interesting, only three presidents that you can really, really nail down invoked this covenant loudly and clearly. They also are the only three presidents in American history, maybe with the exception of Eisenhower, but the only three presidents in history that literally through their policies and actions

liberated millions of people. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan. Hold on. We've got to finish the story. I know. You're going to get out of there. I'm going to get out of it. We've got to finish the story. I know. You're going to get out of there. I'm like, I'm going to get out of it. I'm going to get out of it.

We've got to hear the story. So what did he tell you? That's an awesome question. We will go there. I'm a little bit shy to say just because it sounds so people will rip. I don't care. Look, I've been accused of everything over the last month just because of the success of Sound of Freedom.

Right. I've been called a pedophile, a trafficker, a deep, dark Masonic wizard, all sorts of things. Like, on and on and on. So they can use this as well. But basically, he said, you know, Tim, one of the last issues on the table, and when he said this 10 years ago, we weren't even nearly as divisive as we are today, not even close.

But he said, the last one of the very last issues on the table, and I would contend that today, I couldn't even say this is true, but back then you could, that everybody, left, right, up, down, I don't care what political, religion, whatever creed or whatever, children shouldn't be raped.

Unfortunately, that's not exactly on the table anymore. That's been politicized and we can get into that i think that's one of the reasons center freedom is taking so much flack not that people are saying they should be raped but they're getting they're going that direction and we'll get into that but um and he he said that uh because it's still a an issue that everybody can embrace it is a unifying issue and i think it is still it is un an issue that everybody can embrace, it is a unifying issue. And I think it is still.

It is unifying enough that 130 million people, or I'm sorry, 10 million people have bought tickets to the City of Freedom. Silent majority standing up. Because it's a silent majority. But he says, then what are you going to do? What's the message? Well, of course, it's continue rescuing kids. But he said, you need to use that platform. And he said this to me and i'm and i'm

sorry like you guys everyone can hate me and think i'm dumb and arrogant because i'm not i'm just telling you what he said in front of ken kroge and you know to me and you know this this person's a prophet like he has prophetic gifts which and and i believe that and i will i i'll you know take that to my grave that i believe that but um but he he said to me about 11 years ago he said you now mind you like when this when he said this my wife and my parent and my parents knew my name that's it like you know i didn't no one knew who i was he said you were you need to be prepared because you are gonna be a household name but for someone to say that to you just like especially from somebody of that stature that prophetic you're right like that

you can't predict that because that's like one in a billion that you can say that and he turned to ken crow and he can be my witness to this and he said ken you need to help him when it happens i was so freaked out by this because again that, that gives me chills, because you know who I think he is and who you think he is. Like, that means something, right? If you're Catholic

and the Cardinal said this to you, you'd be like, wait, what? I freaked out. In fact, I said to him, will you do me a favor

if you really believe this? Will you call my wife and call my bishop? Like, like now, tell them you said that because greater men than I have fallen far when that happened, if that happened to them. Like some of my biblical heroes, right?

And so he did. He called my wife and he told her and he asked my bishop, he came into his office and he said, this is what I think. And you just got to be ready. So I got a call from one of his very close family members in the last two weeks. Hey, you remember prophecy? I'm not kidding. I'm like, yeah, I haven't want to say I didn't want to say anything. He's like, it's happening right now and um and i'm like yeah and and you know and and again all you jealous people out there who want to rip on me because you think you think this is fun you think it's fun being called a pedophile my my my my child called my wife in tears uh saying that did you and dad get divorced i just read in i just read in the news that you're divorced and that dad has a girlfriend i mean this is not fun right you guys you you all you you love to hate me because you think you want this yeah believe me you don't want this you know you know it's interesting nothing great has ever been accomplished without creating just a device

right like like if yeah it's the unfortunate truth of society everybody draws an opinion one side or the other uh of somebody that's going out and doing something it's either out of jealousy it's out of you know or they support it right and they're and it's just so interesting to see i mean we see this has happened in entrepreneurship we see this happening in government we see this happening in you know great causes like you're, you're running on. And, and so, and first of all, I applaud you for taking a stand because I know it's, I know it's not easy. It's taking hate and having rumors. I actually get a lot of hate. I have a divisive personality. You know, I take a stand. I have,. There's never like, where do I sit on this issue?

And so I resonate with that. I resonate with like, you know, stand up for what you believe in. It's so sad, you guys. Like I just started my own podcast on a whim like a month ago just to support the film. And I finished episode three. I get a phone call from Donald Trump's team. Hey, Donald Trump wants to come on your podcast. Like, what?

Yes. So I did. I interviewed him and we're dropping the podcast today or tomorrow. Was this when you went and visited him this last week? Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, I went to Ben Minster.

He hosted it. Now, I want to tell a story that's crazy. It talks about how crazy this divisiveness is. I cannot understand it. I just cannot understand it. But I was called to the White House. The crazy story, maybe three years ago, I think it was 2019, maybe four years ago, I can't remember.

But I was on the Laura Ingraham show, which is filmed in Washington, D.C. late. So I'm getting back to my hotel. I get a call from my office. Hey, the White House called. They were watching the show. The president was watching the show. He wants you to come to the White House tomorrow. I'm like, to my hotel. I get a call from my office. Hey, the White House called. They were watching the show. The president was watching the show. He wants you to come to the White House tomorrow.

I'm like, what? My gosh. I'm trying to clean my suit because I'm going home. I'm okay. So I show up unshaven. I walk into the White House, and no one told me that I walk into the West Wing. I think it's just him and I. He wants to talk.

No, it's in the cabinet room. The leaders of every anti-trafficking group, I recognize some of them. I'm it's just him and I. He wants to talk. No, it's in the cabinet room. The leaders of every anti-trafficking group is sitting. I recognize some of them like, oh my gosh, what am I doing here? And they said,

oh, go find your name tag, you know, and sit at the table. And I didn't have a name tag, which I understood because I was invited. Yeah, so I'm just like, I'll be the wallflower.

I'm just one of, that's cool, I'm here. And the woman comes up, she's like, Mr. Ballard, you got to go sit down. Like, oh, I don't mind, but she's like, no. And she points. And so there's only one chair with no name tag and it's higher than I'm here. And the woman comes up and says, Mr. Ballard, you've got to go sit down. I'm like, oh, I don't mind. She's like, no. And she points. So there's only one chair with no name tag, and it's higher than the other chairs.

It's the president's chair. And then next to that, I didn't even look there, because why would I be there? But there I was right next to the president. Wow. So they sit down, and all this is on C-SPAN. You can watch the video. And I sit there, and he just says, okay, Tim, I understand you spent 10 years, and all the press is in the room. I understand you spent 10 years on the video. And I sit there and he just says, okay, Tim, I understand you spent 10 years. And all the press is in the room. I understand you spent 10 years on the border. Tell us about human trafficking on the border.

Now, this is not political. This is easy. Clinton built more of the wall than anyone else before or after. I mean, Trump was heading there. It wasn't political. It's a tool to rescue children. Because the United States is the number one consumer of child sex in the world. So you don't want to be a lost child in the United States.

85,000 unaccompanied minors showed up in the last two years under this administration. And they were let in without any vetting. I've said this before and it's true. It's harder to adopt a cat from a shelter than to go pick up one of these kids. That's wild it's the most i heard something you said just recently you talked about like they come in with a sponsor like a written down sponsor tell us about that that's crazy these guys are making 14 million dollars a day a day the child cartels so the kid comes across thousands of these kids according to cbp

data i've seen are under five years old they come across and there's a name given to them and it's just like George Smith with the phone number. That's the sponsor. So health and human services by policy, it's not their fault. They have to do this. They don't like it. In fact, there's a woman from HHS named Ms. Rodas, R-O-D-A-S, came as a whistleblower and said, this is crazy. She said, we are trafficking children. Because what happens is there's no vetting. There's no background check. This is wild. You pick up the phone, you call the number. Hi what happens is there's no vetting. There's no background check. This is wild. You pick up the phone.

You call the number. Hi, George Smith. Are you the sponsor for Jose Gonzalez? Oh, yeah, I am. All right, we're going to send them to you. What address do you want them sent to? They used to have to come pick them up. Not anymore.

Your taxpayer dollars puts them on a train, plane, automobile, sends them, completing the final leg of what is likely a human child trafficking experience. Right? You know, and the crazy thing is, is like three or four years ago, it was so hard to believe that our government was bad for the average citizen, right? And then for the last three years

since COVID and everything else, all these things have come out, right? You got like the Hunter Biden stuff, you know, Biden family freaking laundering money. Like it's crazy to think how involved our government is in this. We are allowing this to happen. We are basically

just as guilty as any of them. So I'm in the White House explaining look, you've got to enforce the border because it's two plus two equals four. It's like walls force traffickers into ports of entry. I remember Kamala Harris,

I testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee when she was a senator, so I know she knows this, but I remember she did a post once when she was campaigning against Trump about his vanity project, the wall, and it doesn't do anything. She actually said this, which scares the heck out of me that she's our border czar.

She actually said, we don't need a wall because all the seizures and rescues are happening at the port of entry. You can't, and I was like, are you really not, that's like, really? Is this an intelligence problem? Like, you can't congratulate the port of entry for anything like a rescue or a seizure of drugs without simultaneously congratulating the wall. Because guess what? The wall creates the port of entry. That's the whole point.

That's the whole point. It's not as if the traffickers with kids are driving through an empty space of hundreds of miles and they find two posts called the ports of entry. And that's where they're going to take the kids so you can maybe catch them. You need the freaking wall. This is why i was so shocked

i'm just that's all i'm saying in the briefing in the white house i leave the white house and within hours i get a phone call from my office saying tim we've just lost a thousand recurring donors that watched you talk to the president and they said call them please tell them that you would have said the same thing to anyone any president and it's true i would have run just as fast to biden clinton bush trump equally i'd said the same thing to anyone, any president. And it's true. I would have run just as fast to Biden, Clinton, Bush, Trump. Equally, I'd say the same thing. And I said, no, I'm not going to call any of them. Are you kidding me?

Like, they just broadcast a very important message, which is the plague, I think, of our country right now. That they hate one person more than they love rescuing children from a life of rape. They didn't stop giving money because they thought we weren't rescuing kids. No, because I dared say anything to the President of the United States. I will say anything to anyone in power. The leader of the free world, are you kidding me? I don't care what party you are. I don't care what religion you are.

I don't care what you are. If you're in that position and you have the power to leverage resources to rescue kids, it's incumbent upon me to go ask for help and tell you the truth about what's happening.

And so I'm going to take a lot of heat again for interviewing Trump, but I did it and I'm excited about the, you know, it's going to air this week and it's,

but it's, it shows how sick we are as a nation that we put politics and even our perception of people and of a person it blinds you to everything else truth doesn't matter, science doesn't matter

God doesn't matter I want a hate person children don't matter at all and that's why Sound of Freedom is being attacked because they don't want to have this conversation about the 85,000 children they don't want to have this conversation about the 85,000 children. They don't want to have the conversation about how children are being sexualized

in the name of sex education. They don't want to have the conversation about what's happening on what I call the trans voice on children. Because you understand, pedophiles, I've been hunting them for two decades. They put their literature out there, and they're getting bolder and bolder

because the leftists in this country, I'm not talking about liberals. Liberals are different than leftists. I respect liberals. We can have a healthy debate with liberals. Leftists, wokists, whatever you want to call them, that's different. Pedophiles are looking at them going, I like you. You're doing our job for us. We've been trying to sexualize kids.

We've been trying to get kids to have the power to consent. If you look at the pedophile literature that's been out for decades, kids should vote. Kids should have, well, why? Because we want them to consent to sex. They won't say that part out loud, but that's what they're trying. Kids should consent. But you've got to sexualize them first.

And that's what our sex ed and TikTok and everything else is. By 13 years old, our kids are sex addicts. And now you're telling them, hey, sweetie, you are brave and bold, and you can consent to gender mutilation on yourself. Well, if you can consent to that, it's only one more inch to consent to having sex with a 50-year-old pedophile. And that's why the pedophiles are salivating. And now in your state and in the state of Oregon,

parents can lose their kids if they don't gender affirm. It's unbelievable. And that's why the pedophiles are salivating. And now in your state, in your state, and in the state of Oregon, parents can lose their kids if they don't gender affirm. It's unbelievable. And the pedophiles are salivating and applauding because for the first time in the history of America, we are doing the job that the pedophiles have been begging us to do. And that's the conversation that these guys don't want to have.

When the operation went down in October 2014 2014 that's depicted in the film it's all film there's a documentary coming out about it the guardian uh rolling stone msnbc cnn all of them applauded it they reported on it i was on cnn i was on msnbc good job we agree this is bad. The story didn't change 10 years later. But the same outlets are now saying, bad story. QAnon story. Tim's a Masonic wizard and crazy. They want to discredit Sound of Freedom because they don't want to have the conversation regarding what I just talked about. They don't want to talk about what's happening to kids because it'll hurt their agenda. And that's why they're doing this. So let's talk about, because clearly, yeah, the promotion of the sexualization and education of children early on is leading to these policy changes, which will allow it. But what are the core things that lead? How can we help teach our children, raise our children right, where they don't have that shoes, right? Not only, not only children, protecting our children now, but as, as adults, how, what are some of the core things? So there's two, there's two avenues,

because again, I've been hunting these people for a long time there's two avenues one is is more tragic than the other um and even sad for the pedophile but if you're if you're sexually abused as a child your your chances increase significantly when you hit puberty yourself and start thinking about sex your neuropathways have already told you that sex is with adult and child so they'll repeat what happened to them it's horrifying horrifying. It's sad. In fact, the guy from the film Bachman, who was bringing the kid across the border, that was the case with him.

He's still in jail. He was sexually assaulted. This is the guy that you met up with in the restaurant? No. Oh, the guy that was actually bringing him. Got it, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the other one is sex addiction, which comes from porn use

so what happens the brain responds to pornography just like the brain responds to marijuana or any drug it's not even the naked pictures or the substance you're putting in your body it's the dopamine release it's the endorphins your brain releases chemicals and that's what you want

and porn does it but if you smoke marijuana every day 10 times a day right eventually the chemical reaction is going to get weaker and weaker so that's why they elevate there's stronger things same happens in the porn world you can only look at porn so much the legal stuff the adult stuff before it's like dang i'm not getting the hit so they go to something crazy like some weird fetishes or your bestiality. And they usually end up with children. And they'll start looking for 17, 16, barely legal, then 15, then 13. Then all of a sudden they're traveling to some high trafficking area to look

for a child. So you have to combat the demand. And a big part of that is educating kids. And again, this counters what these people are doing, and it counters what the pedophiles want. They're fighting this. Sexualize, sexualize. Kids deserve to know. Look at the books they're giving kids right now. Third graders.

Teaching them about every sexual position, every this. Like this whole thing. In our state, they're actually starting in first grade. My gosh. It's crazy. Like you can't, a child's brain can't handle that because their brains are little sponges and you're teaching them to want sex

and not to be raw, but I just am, but like some of these, they're also teaching them in some cases to go masturbate so they can have a feeling associated with the pictures. So by the time they're 12 and 13

and told you can consent to anything, you have groomed them to the max and they're ready to go. And the pedophiles are like, this is awesome. And there's more pedophiles than you think, by the way. If there's 2 million children, and that's according to State Department and others, 2 million children forced into commercial sex, what kind of demand justifies that number? More than 2 million. There's more pedophiles than people want to even imagine. And they're sitting back going, this is kind of cool. Pretty soon the day will come when it's going to be cool. So just the sitting back going, this is kind of cool. Pretty soon the day will come

when it's going to be cool. So just the kid's going to say, hey, mom, not only am I in the wrong body, but I'm also the wrong age. I mean, what's more fluid? Like I adopted two kids from Haiti. Like I knew that one was a boy

and one was a girl. It's pretty easy to tell. I didn't know how old they were. Age is more fluid. So if you can make the argument that you're in the wrong body, you sure as hell can make the argument that you're in the wrong body, you sure as hell can make the same argument that I'm the wrong age. And when mom and dad come and say, no, sweetie, no, you're not 50

because that man wants to have sex with you and I can't. That's a bridge too far. Sorry, mom. I identify. You already threw out virtue, God, science. You threw it all out to get clicks because you let your kid gender mutilate, right? And you're a hero. And now you can't stop them.

It's too late. The laws have codified around this perverse idea that children can consent. My 13-year-old can't consent to do what they want to do on a Friday night. You think I'm going to let them put poison in their body or chemicals that hurt their reproduction? I mean, it's it's

insane right and so when these kids who are now are sexualized thanks to our sex ed programs and tiktok and social media that parents aren't controlling it's too late they lost the argument it's a trap and the trap's set and mom and dad aren't gonna be able to stop it and if they do try to stop it thank you state, state governments of Washington and Oregon. They're going to take your kids from you. So most people that hear this are just mortified, right? My wife absolutely hates the whole thing that's going on. It doesn't make sense to her.

But you're saying it's moving upstream, right? So how do we move upstream? How do we get the covenant established? Or what does that look like to you? How do you see that play out? Well, I just turned to history because they did the same thing. You look at the situation George Washington or Abraham Lincoln were in. There's nothing more dire than what they were facing. It would be like China and Russia invading our beaches.

That was Washington's reality. Lincoln watching to the tune of hundreds of thousands killing each other, right? So that was pretty dire. And the Lord humbled them so deeply during that time of trial that they turned to God. And the answer was the same both times. Turn the people back to me. Turn them back to me. And once you do that, you start seeing miracles. My books are about this, this right then the miracles on the battlefield of the revolution the miracles on the battlefield and in the civil war and then people start recognizing okay god is real and then they start coming back to god because what happened was in the 60s when

we took push started pushing god out and and misinterpreted the constitution the first amendment to say that there's this separation. It's a separation to protect people from any one denomination becoming empowered. Not a separation of God from the people or God from the government. Not at all. I mean, the very people who wrote the Constitution

were invoking God. So it's an oxymoron to say that they didn't understand what they were doing. But when you pushed God out, darkness backfilled it with this crap. And that's what we're seeing right now. It's being backfilled with sex education, this trans voice on kids. It had to backfill something. And so we've got to clean that out and bring God back in.

And then once people start seeing, and this is according to history, once they start seeing the miracles, they start believing more and believing more. And the more they believe the covenant is activated and the more blessings of liberty, protection, and prosperity start to come back in. And you don't have to believe my words. Just believe Lincoln.

Believe Washington. They said it. They saw it. They witnessed. And they said it. And my books are all about that. Right? I mean, you read The Washington Hypothesis.

Right. I mean, you can read Thomas Fleming's book on Washington. It's this thick. And he mentions God like once or twice and makes Washington think, maybe. We don't know. And you read my book. It's all primary sources. Is there any question who Washington was?

Right. I mean, it's crazy how they can change or edit things out of history. Like, Washington believed in God and intervening God. He invoked it. He talked to him. It's all right there. And that's, we need to follow that pattern again. So question for you.

So you're involved or used to be involved in like the front lines of this war, right? Like going in, you know, obviously you got to get to a very dark place, right? You're associating with pedophiles, associating with traffickers, these guys that are just terrible human beings. Drugs, alcohol, sex, I mean, everything that you can think of. How do you handle those dark moments? Like, how do you use your foundation? Christ, your foundation, a family, of family because obviously your family man how

many kids nine nine kids father father of nine right you like you see these as beautiful angels like walk me through that well it's it's a it's a it's a constant struggle i'm my therapist tells me i probably need a whole year or more to really heal my brain. Because I'm done undercover now. But I went as long as I could. How many years? About 15 years. Which is probably 10 years too many.

In this team, really. Because you've got to pretend to be anything and everything. And, yeah yeah it burns holes in your brain and then you see images of children and how do you purge that that's what i'm working on right now uh because it it you the first 10 years or so i thought i was fine i didn't get help because your brain naturally compartmentalizes i, so like walk me through like during those first 10 years, like what would you do? Like what were some like practices or whatnot to like come back?

Like, okay, you know, to recenter. I mean, everything to me was always very much faith, you know, and, you know, I go to our temple. That's a cleansing place, a meditation prayer. You know, after a lot of ops, I'll just try to go somewhere. Like I'll stay an extra day just before I even see my family. But then, then, you know, I'll have a breakdown. I'll have things. The brain's a complex thing. It's not supposed to see something, right.

It's not designed to see these things, but someone's got to see them. Right. And so, I mean, I mean, I've had moments of full breakdown like like wake up in a parking lot like what what just happened and that's when I started realizing I gotta get some help like I gotta in fact in 2020 fall 2020 I had that happen to me I was about to go on an operation something triggered I also have OCD which is is a blessing and a curse depending how you use it right and? And for sure, PTSD. And I had this whole break, and it was a cool story. I mean, it hurt like heck, but I woke up, and I was in Florida,

and all I could think of was Tony Robbins and Sage, who are my good friends. And I just texted Sage. I'm like, 911. I'm in Florida. I didn't even know I was there. I don't remember what happened. I ended up in their house that night they brought me in at like 1 in the morning

stayed up with me all night and just kind of ministered to me and like prayed with me and like and that began a whole journey of healing for me that happened between 2020 and now and then now that I'm out of undercover work the healing continues but for me the foundation is Jesus

the foundation is the cleansing power of his grace and atonement. And that's what I'm still just learning to use better. So if I'm hearing you right, I mean, really, the solution to everything is invoking the covenant, which is turn to God, reestablish families here in the United States. Realize what this is all about. Quit relying so much on science, literature, and everything else, but become a righteous

people again, which will ultimately cleanse. It sounds so simple. It's like looking at Moses' staff. It sounds so simple, but history proves the model. You know, and, you know, it's funny because these people, these kind of

godless folks who are pushing this other agenda, that's why I don't, they're going to not believe me, but here, can I introduce you to a woman named Harriet Tubman? You want to talk trash on her? I dare you. Because she taught this same thing. I mean, all the people she rescued,

because God told her to turn left and turn right, and she'll tell you that in her own words. I mean, they're fighting. They're all pissed off because, I guess, Trump might have stopped the process of her becoming the person on the $20 bill, which I'm in favor. She should be on the $20. She's my hero.

But you've got to fight her if you want to fight the covenant. So that's how you have to fight, because I have no credibility with these people. They need to be converted. They'll throw me under the bus. They're doing it right now. But I'm just going to introduce you to Abraham Lincoln and Harriet Tubman and Harriet Beecher Stowe and George Washington and Ronald Reagan.

Let me introduce you to these people. Fight them. That's awesome. So I know a lot of my friends that have seen the movie they're like now what right like i saw the movie i'm aware of what's going on maybe i donated to the cause i bought somebody a movie ticket so they can see it or whatever whatever it is right like that's kind of the the message that's been putting but the the next question is, how can a regular old person help in the cause,

help fight it, help either fight it upstream or downstream? How can we be involved? So there's a new thing, an initiative that I'm a part of. I'm not an executive because I vowed never to, I can't be an executive

because of the elevated profile. I'll never be an executive of a nonprofit again. You're so vulnerable. You're so exposed. People think they can come after you just because you're a part of a nonprofit. So I'm like, I'll never be an executive of a nonprofit again. You're so vulnerable. You're so exposed. People think they can come after you just because you're a part of a nonprofit. So I'm like, I'm consulting. I'm an independent person,

but I'm consulting heavily with one group called the Spear Fund. Ken Krogh, who I mentioned earlier, he's on the board there. But the Spear Fund is, it's a scalable approach. It's a new approach. One of the problems we see in the nonprofit world is the scarcity mentality, where every institution wants everything for themselves, right?

And if you're being very honest, which we all need to be, and look at it through the eyes of a child who's in some corner of the earth and in hell, you want the best rescuer to go to that child, right? And the best rescuer is not going to be any one organization as great as they are. But there is an organization that is the best for that child. Well, I'm in a unique position to tell you which one that is. No donor could find it, but I can find it. I know these organizations.

And they're ready to deploy. They're already on the ground. We funded an organization recently that they were the only group in this corner of the earth that could have rescued a handful of kids. I had never heard of them before. Their budget was small. Their marketing was pretty bad. But they got the funding and they rescued the kids. I couldn't

have done it. And so that's what the Spear Fund does. It's not a rescue organization. It's a unifying organization. And basically, it taps into the beautiful benefits of capitalism, which you don't see happen very often in the nonprofit world, which is if you're the best, you're going to get the funding. And we hope to harness this greatness, this great kind of goodwill and all this positivity coming out of Sound of Freedom.

We expect these coffers to be full, big time. It's already happening. And why is that good? Because I want people to compete. Well, get better then. If you want to get better, this is capitalism. Be better and you're going to get the funding, right? And I'm only doing it for the kids because I want the kids to have better. And so I'm really excited about the Spear Fund because it's, like I said, very scalable. We could run the top 10 rescue operations

on the planet in one week. I couldn't do that with just being in one org. But I can because it's the 10 best organizations all working in the same week in different areas. And we're funding all of them. When you, when you started, Oh, you are, or back when you were called to start this, um, and leave the FBI, were there this much, was there this much activity? It seems like it's no. And that's the good, that's the point is I couldn't have even done this model. One, I didn't have credibility in the space. No one knew who I was. So they,

they didn't, they wouldn't have. And I didn't know who they were if they existed. But over the last 10 years, so many organizations have popped up around the world. And some of them are very mom and pop in one little country. But they're the best for that kid. And so now that I know who they are, right, and now that they're prepared, it's really fun. And they're shocked. I call them, wait, why are you giving me money, OUR guy? You're supposed to not want to give.

You know what I mean? They think I'm, no, I'm just representing everybody. Right. I love the concept of being able to delegate where the funds go. Because to your point, it would be like relying on different governments to deploy funds properly. There's probably some governments that are efficient and other ones you're just like, they were efficient, but then they become inefficient and you no longer want all funds to go there or whatnot. So I totally resonate because that's the very capitalistic model.

Reward the winner. Reward the person that's bringing the most value from the dollar. And you know what else you're going to love is people who are listening to this who are business folks, right? Is the ratio of overhead to project is phenomenal over here. Why? Because we're not funding the overhead of these orgs.

Right. And the overhead at Spear is very limited. Like right now it's, I think probably nothing. Like the people that are working in the, and as the executives are working for free, eventually I think they should get paid, but that's for them to decide. But the point is when the grant money comes in, we're not,

we're not sending money to cover someone's overhead. You better be good enough to at least have covered that. It's going right to mission, right to mission. So you know where your dollar is going. It's going right. And I'll make sure it goes right to mission. I really love that, man. So one of the reasons I wanted to do this interview is I don't monetize my podcast. So I'm top 25 business podcasts in the world, and we don't drive the traffic anywhere. I don't sell them any product, don't do anything.

But I've wanted to get a cause uh, a cause that I could push my, uh, push my phone to. And I'm really excited. I want to put together something with you in which, in which we can drive our people, because this is a, this is a cause I, I, I like the, uh, turning people to God, fighting human trafficking, saving our children, God's children, not for sale. I love that message, by the way. And so I'm really excited to formulate that. One thing I'll do, we'll have a link put together to be able to donate to the Spirit Fund. Awesome. And we'll put that in the comments, and I'll start adding it to my additional podcast and whatnot.

But really, really excited for just everything that that stands for. Like I said, I'm a capitalist. I want the most return for my dollar. And by, in, in this regard, return is saving. Right. And I, and I think, you know, I think that's anybody's concern around donating to a charity, right. Is that what is this dollar actually like by donate a dollar is only a penny getting to the bottom right because i mean that i've heard crazy statistics around like red cross and everything else and so like um i'm a big believer in you big fan of you big and i i know like i i

just love your story love everything you're about like i can get behind that. So I'm super, super stoked about that. What, and just kind of imparting words, like what is the message that you want to share with the world? I want people to know that, you know, this is, this is the fastest growing criminal enterprise in the world. And just because you haven't heard that before, doesn't mean it's not true. There's, there's been a lot of effort to hide it, even innocent, innocent effort of, I don't want to look at this. It's hard for even honest media to talk about it because they're just like, this sucks. I'd rather not know this is happening. But it is happening, and it's happening at rates higher than we've ever seen. And I'm very concerned I was with Speaker McCarthy two days ago he did a he hosted a screening and then

committed to a bill to go find the 85,000 kids who disappeared I couldn't believe it I'm like this is crazy because look this is this is really happening Sound of Freedom is the first time that I've seen it go far and wide

like people are waking up. And so I would just ask people like, help us. Help us. Help us deploy. There's brave men and women willing to go into the darkest places on the planet. We just need the light to give to them so they can take it into the dark. We need resources. We need prayers.

We need support. So please, like people, everybody, go to thespearfund.org. Help us. Donate. Right now, we just need resources. I love it. We appreciate your time. We know it's valuable. Thanks again. Until next time.