Next Level Pros - #47: The Halloween Special: Jay Wasley Of Ghost Adventures

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

Welcome to the special Halloween episode of the founder Podcast! Today, we have a unique guest on our show, Mr. Jay Wasley, a driving force behind the hit show, Ghost Adventures. This episode takes a different turn as we delve into the world of the paranormal.  Ghost Adventures, a reality TV show where the paranormal comes to life. Jay has been part of this show for over a decade, visiting haunted locations across the globe, including Dracula's castle, the catacombs of Paris, and much more.  With over 300 episodes and multiple spin-off series, Ghost Adventures continues to captivate audiences, offering a unique perspective on the afterlife. Jay shares his wildest experiences, including getting dragged by an unseen force in an old saloon basement, and witnessing objects moving on their own. What makes these encounters even more captivating is Jay’s belief that these occurrences are manifestations of energy left behind, often triggered by human emotions and actions.  Could there be a connection between the energy we put out and the spirits we encounter? We explore the intriguing link between energy, spirits, and our own success in life. Join us in this hair-raising and thought-provoking episode as we venture into the world of Ghost Adventures and uncover the mysteries that surround us. You won't want to miss this spine tingling episode!  HIGHLIGHTS “My personal theory is that we're all made up of energy, right. And suppose the energy doesn't go away. So like, imagine you walk up and down the same hallway every day of your life, and then your body dies, it makes sense that a little bit of your energy might still linger and just kind of linger and move up and down that hallway.” "I think there's something that like watches out for us, there is something that like, kind of keeps things together in a way."  "It's a fascinating perspective that can extend beyond the realm of the supernatural and into our personal and professional lives." TIMESTAMPS 00:00: Introduction 02:19: Illegally entering the Paris catacombs 05:53: Energy & Spirits  12:57: Paranormal Experiences 17:11: Demonic Possession 20:23: Spiritual Energy 27:09: Exorcisms  30:54: Personal Experiences 38:06: Beliefs  41:37: Ouija Boards 47:45: Investigations 🚀 Join my community - Founder Acceleration https://www.founderacceleration.com 🤯 Apply for our next Mastermind https://www.thefoundermastermind.com ⛳️ Golf with Chris https://www.golfwithchris.com 🎤 Watch my latest Podcast Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-founder-podcast/id1687030281 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/1e0cL2vI1JAtQrojSOA7D2?si=dc252f8540ee4b05 YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@thefounderspodcast

Founder Podcast Nation, I am so excited about today's episode with Mr. Jay Wasley of Ghost Adventures. This guy has an incredible story. It's going to be really awesome for the Halloween season, bringing you this awesome stories. Jump in. It's going to be a good one. Yo, yo, yo, yo. Welcome to another episode of the Founder Podcast. Today, I am joined by Mr. to have Jay. Jay is also a founder. He has a production studio, does pretty remarkable work, giving back to the community. But for those that don't know who Jay is, Jay is a producer and an actor on what is the show called?

Well, it's Ghost Adventures, but not really acting. I'm myself i'm actually a terrible actor the reality tv show the reality tv show of ghosts sorry say it again ghost adventures oh my goodness i am terrible at this so ghost adventures i am pretty intrigued right so uh to to hear all about just these ghost adventures, I know it's been running. You've been part of the show since 2010? Yeah. Awesome. So what's that?

13 years now. 13 years, and it's something like how many episodes? I mean, we've done over 300 episodes. We have multiple spinoff series. So we have, like, besides the regular show, we have a whole other series where we just focus on people's homes called House Calls. We have another show called Ghost Adventures Screaming Room where the four of us get together in a movie theater and we watch old episodes and we'll talk about it so like you get more information you get like more behind the scenes follow-ups to what's been going on dude that's so cool so so jay so in in his show uh

they they go into different locations right like homes that are haunted or spooked got something different going on and you've had like all kinds of crazy experiences with ghosts right yeah we've been all around the world at this point as far as romania we've done dracula's castle out there you know england ireland scotland italy uh wild we went down in the catacombs in paris one time yeah i've been there yeah that's probably not where we went though we uh we met these dudes on the street actually so like we had it all set up as a production we're like all right we're gonna have these guys that are gonna get us down to the part you can't go to oh so you guys went into like some of the the because i know that's something

like 240 miles of these catacombs and like the they only have like a two mile stretch in which they take all the the guests that come down and they walk through all the skulls and everything but i know there's another 230 miles so you went to this so we uh so we wanted to get down there and technically it's illegal but uh we wanted to do it we had these guys set up before we even got out to france to do it and we get there and like schedule wise we couldn't do it the night they wanted to do it and then they backed out so we're all like oh man like that's such a powerful part of our show we need to get down there for that and we're kind of like just complaining out front of our hotel and then a fan walked by and spotted us and started talking to us and you know we're

like yeah we're kind of bummed out we can't get down there and she's like oh i know these guys so she's like meet them at this location tomorrow at this time like no idea who these guys are so we just show up and we're like they're like you want to basically broken english like you want to go down the catacombs and they're like yeah and they're like all right come on let's go hurt and they're like for the police and they we run after them they're like running ahead they flip open a sewer grate and they're like come on hurry climb down you go down a sewer grate oh man and we climb down through this tunnel uh the first thing we end up like there's a rave going on like an underground rave i've heard about these raves

that they have like all these like and he's like yeah and he's like making it be like hold on like stop here like i'll go ahead and check and he turns the corner i just hear yelling in french i don't know what they're saying so i like pulled out my pocket knife like i don't know what's going to come around this corner if it's going to be bad or good like i don't know but i'm ready and then he comes and he's like all right they'll let us pass like just don't shoot like film on the ground as we walk by so we all had to like walk by like don't make eye contact don't film anybody and like we walked through this rave going on how many people were there at the rave uh there was probably a good amount like it was all weird because there's like little like nooks so like there's like a main walkway and then

there's these little rooms off of it so it's kind of hard to tell but it was pretty packed like it was probably a fun time i'm sure but like that's the thing the people down there like not saying they're not good people but they're probably a lot of like like if you're down there like you know there's a reason you're probably there's a reason that you're partying yeah so like we end up like he leads us for like literally miles we're hiking for hours there's parts we're wading through water waist deep like climb camera gear and everything going through it all uh we get to this one point that was really cool as a t-junction and he's like yeah we're about 200 feet under the cemetery right now and there's a hole in the wall and the guys like climb through there so climb in it opens up to a cave and it's just filled with human bones it was uh it was like a mass pit during the plague times

where they just dumped all the bodies in. Right. So it was probably the most surreal place I've ever been. Like walking through and it's just like crunch, crunch, crunch. There's no floor. It's just literally filled with human bones. Wow. Yeah, the portion I went through, they had taken the human remains because essentially what had happened was that the grave sites, right, in Paris had become overrun, right? And so then they had to start taking the human remains, all the different bones and everything and put them somewhere and so they they do this

little two mile stretch have you been through the two mile stretch at all yeah i saw like the tourist bar yeah yeah you know all the bones are nicely put together the femurs in one section this was just a pile this was you're just walking through piles literally just like walk through a mass grave from the plague times dude wild wild that is crazy and so then what ended up happening down there uh honestly nothing much like in that show it was a spin-off we did it was a series we did called netherworld when we were down there and it was more about uh i guess the beliefs of the afterlife not so much investigation uh just kind of like exploring like you know what how they treated the afterlife what

they think of spirits things like that yeah so it's interesting um you know i've never necessarily said i'm like a ghost believer but i definitely believe in spirits right and so i'm assuming in your mind they're one in the same right i don't know what yeah yeah i think spirit uh ghosts you know and like i don't know i'm still like this deep into it. Like I know for hands down there's something else out there. Right. What it always is, I'm still trying to figure it out. So and basically kind of like my personal theory is that we're all made up of energy, right?

And supposedly energy doesn't go away. So like imagine you walk up and down the same hallway every day of your life and then your body dies. It makes sense that a little bit of your energy might still linger and just kind of linger and move up and down that hallway and then under the right variables the right circumstances you can actually pick up on that energy and document the energy so that kind of haunting we call a residual haunting where it's almost like a loop it's just like energy that's still lingering uh you know there was a mass murder in a home that's an intense amount of energy like that energy is literally in the walls like and there is a thing uh called the stone tape theory where like organic surfaces can actually hold on to energy positive or negative there's

been a whole series of experiments by a japanese scientist that studied water molecules with like positive and negative energy yeah and like when you would project positive energy they would form beautiful crystals when frozen and then when you would be negative they would be malformed have you ever you ever seen the similar uh type of uh experiment with rice like cooked rice not with the rice no oh it's interesting so my parents have actually done this and so it it's just talking about like the impact that we have an energy of like positive words and negative words right and so they took two different jars they have it in their house and they've had it there for several years now and essentially the cooked rice that both start off with cooked white rice in them they seal them off with like a just a jar top

and what my mom would do on a regular basis she would talk she labeled them good and like bad yeah right and then she would talk like good positive things to the to the white to the good one and then bad negative things or whatnot and over time the bad the bad labeled rice would turn black and moldy right it's crazy that's wild and this over here stayed perfectly white yeah like like there is literally energy in the words that we speak it's like the most phenomenal thing ever that's what like you know besides literally energy in the words that we speak. It's like the most phenomenal thing ever. Well, that's what like, you know, besides even like in the ghost world, like it just makes you think of our own lives and our own, you know, successes in business or whatever

we're doing, like keeping that positive attitude. And I know people that are like some of the most talented people, but they have a negative attitude and they don't get anywhere. Yeah. You know, it's those people that stay positive and like, you know, keep that energy going. And I think it leads to success, too. So let's go down that vein a little bit. So you've been at like some of these homes that are haunted or have negative energies.

Like, do you believe it's because people have perpetuated it and like continued to like think and feel negatively towards us? Yeah, I think I think there's a level of like feeding into it, too. Yeah. You know, I think it's there from whatever whatever happened whatever kind of history that basically lack of a better word stay in the area but then it's the people that like feed into and keep it going and like we go to places that have been sitting abandoned for like 30 years and then their stories like oh yeah kids break in here and do rituals and like do stuff like that and they're all they're keeping that energy going they're even bringing in new energy, you know? So like, it just keeps adding to it. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. So my belief system is that like, we existed as a form of energy or in your words, but as a spirit

before we lived. Right. And then we received a body and then afterwards we returned to that spiritual form. Yeah. Right. And so that's where my belief system is centered in. So, I mean, we have definitely, definitely similar beliefs around, like, energy and those type of things. I'd love to hear a little bit more of your stories. Like, what is the craziest thing that you've ever experienced? I mean, there's been a lot. Like, I don't even know. Like, probably at least 300 episodes or so.

And they're all hour-long shoots, too. So, I what's your favorite like what's your like holy smokes yeah like i mean it's one to be cinematography like you know cinematic and like you know produced really well and like showed really well and people love that show and it's a completely other thing like actually experiencing it what was what was like your wildest experience personally so probably one of the craze that still blows my mind to this day is we're in an old saloon in prescott arizona prescott and uh like down in the basement it was kind of similar to the catacomb there's a hole like and you can get under under it was like a crawl space where the original foundation where the original saloon was and all the workers were saying that something evil's down there every time

they go down there they get messed with And every time they walk by this opening, they think that's where it's centered at. So during the investigation, I get sent into this space by myself. So I'm crawling through it. So typically, because there's like four main characters, right, in the show, do you typically go alone? I tend to be the one that goes alone a lot. So you're like, you get kicked to the curb and

they're like you go check it out yeah I have a lot of places where it's like all right you're spending the entire night in this abandoned prison cell by yourself and sometimes they'll even lock the door I've been locked in a room like an abandoned campground that had like this old cabin I was locked in there that thing I actually kicked the door down and got out of the night because I was just like enough's enough oh so continue continue so you're down in the spot i'm in the crawl space and i'm a big guy and like it's only probably like you know it's a crawl space so i'm on my belly like army crawling through and i have a camera in my hand talking to the camera like i mean there's no cameraman it's you it's just me is that typically how you guys shoot it yeah when we just from your own yeah when we investigate it's

just the four of us in there never the first half. The first half of the show, we have a camera crew that we do interviews, we do research, and kind of tell the history and stuff like that. And like that, we have a crew. But the second half is just the four of us, lights off in the location by ourselves. So I'm crawling through, and I have the camera in front of me like this. Do you have a light? No.

We shoot in infrared, so it's all, it's dark. Like you can see like, I need to watch this show. Yeah. You can see a glow from the monitor a little bit. So you can kind of like, yeah, but it's staying, I've fallen, I've broken ribs. I've, I've had many injuries when you run around in the dark like that. Plus get scared and jump and you're going to fall. Uh, so I'm crawling through and nothing's really happening. So I'm like, all right. Like, and I don't always antagonize. I kind of like take it more scientifically. Like I'm trying to be more, I'm more of like the tech guy of the team. So I'm trying to like reason, like rationality, like, all right, what's going on here?

How can we explain this? Yeah. And so I started antagonizing cause like, this is like supposedly a bully spirit that's messing with these people. So I'm like, all right, like if you're really that big and bad do something like i don't believe it like i'm calling bullshit like nothing's happening you know and i swear and on anything like anything i want i would dig a lie detector all day long and you could see it on camera something grabs my leg and naturally i start kicking because i feel something grab my leg the camera's like this i

drop the camera and i get dragged backwards about three or four feet away from camera and you can see on camera that there's nothing behind me and i literally get dragged away from the camera are you kidding me i lose it i freak out it's getting all dusty now because i'm kicking around in the dirt i can't just get up and run away because i'm in a crawl space so i'm just screaming and yelling and freaking out and where are your buddies at this time uh they're in other parts of the location so they're investigating other sections uh so my one buddy aaron all of a sudden i hear him like yelling he comes running over and he turns on a light and i could see him over at the opening where i came in at and then i just started crawling my way over as fast as i can and then

the problem is what like a lot of people don't think of too is like that happens and all of a sudden you have a camera in your face you're like what happened and it's like hold on like like you have to like try to articulate and describe what just happened at the same time while you're literally still going through shock you know wild so yeah so that still is definitely a moment that sticks with me that like I wish I could explain it I wish I could be like so I mean what do we talk so he grabbed what part of your leg what did it feel like around like lower calf like do you still feel it like if you think back you feel like the pressure and i feel i can i picture every moment of that moment oh my goodness it's it's so that was like the wildest in my brain that was probably one of the craziest ones now you mentioned earlier off off camera that that you had like you've been scratched

yeah what yeah there's been a location pray tell i gotta i gotta hear that actually a few times You mentioned earlier off camera that you had like you've been scratched. Yeah. What? Yeah. There's been a location. Pray tell. I got to I got to hear that. Actually, a few times, honestly. What? Most recently, I think it was in an abandoned prison.

OK. And just walking along filming. I didn't bump anything, you know, like and this is during the day, too. Like we're filming with lights on. We're doing like our walkthroughs and interviews. And also I just feel the back of my neck burn out of nowhere. And that time too like and it's weird and i get it it's tv so like people are always like oh like but like we we do feel things we're not psychics we don't pick up but we'll be doing this long enough we're like you can feel a change in the energy and then at that time uh

our one guy was being affected like he was starting to like feel very agitated and like something was not right yeah and i just felt the back of my neck started burning and i didn't touch it i was like as soon as that happens i'm like guys like you gotta look they come over they look and they just see like it just like starts forming like on camera it just gets redder and redder and the scratch just literally appears on the back yeah are you kidding me this was on camera yeah yeah i've had it there and uh this place in, was it in Kansas, I think? It was, like, right on the border. So I think it was in Kansas.

It was this place called the Sally House. And it was actually known for people getting scratched. That was, like, one of the things about it. I remember actually seeing it on, was it, like, Unsolved Mysteries or one of those old shows, like, way back in the day. By the way, one of my favorite shows growing up. Like, it was notoriously known as a place that people get scratched. And I'm filming. So I'm filming.

I have the camera at this point. So I'm shooting some interview stuff, walking around. And out of nowhere, I just feel a burn right on my arm. And I'm like, guys, something's going on. And we go down. And we start filming. You see just this scratch just start appearing. And it just gets redder and redder and just spreads up.

And I don't know. And that's on camera. Yeah. So that's the kind of haunting. Like I was saying earlier like the residual haunting the loop the energy loop that that makes sense i can my rational mind is like all right i get that that totally makes sense to me but things like that where like it can actually grab you it can scratch you it can manipulate objects i've had i've seen with my own eyes objects lift off the ground and go flying we've caught it on camera yeah uh we just had a special uh it just aired last week on discovery uh called

devil island this island out kind of by alcatraz and two times on that island it was a two-hour special so we put a lot more time into investigating and we caught what we call poltergeist activity where we had things moving on themselves twice at that location which is it's like rare and kind of one of the holy grails of ghost hunting you know you want that you know and we had a paint can that you see we have static cameras that are rolling we're investigating upstairs and all of a sudden you just see this paint can just go just goes flying off the shelf and then later on uh one guy he has like like IR goggles, like military goggles, and he's by himself just like walking through. And he looks over and this board just goes and just goes flying down on the ground by itself.

Crazy. Dude, there are all kinds of stories. Yeah. Once again, like I'm a believer in energy and spirits and like, you know, as a Christian, you know, I believe in the stories of the Bible. And one of the stories of the Bible is that, you know, Jesus casts some like devil spirits into the swine. Did you ever hear that story? Yeah, I've heard of that. And then they run off the cliff, right?

Because they like basically occupied or possessed the bodies of the swine and they run off. And, you know, as part of my belief system is that there's these spirits out there that actually desire to experience a physical body. That, you know, the Bible talks about how like a third of the host of heaven wasn't able or that, you know, they followed Satan or whatever. Right. And like and so, yeah, these spirits spirits they definitely they exist you've experienced yeah i mean i've witnessed possessions and exorcisms and like that plays into that where it is like it's a spirit that probably wants to feel life again like for some reason they're not fully in hell they're not in heaven like they're kind of stuck right and they're able to what however they do it i don't know but they're able to get into and get a hold of some people and you know they want to feel that you know that feeling of whatever and then a lot of those people we find a lot of that stuff is in like drug users and like like kind of darker

places like people that are in dark how do you mean like what do you mean like uh we find like and not all of them but like a lot of people like the possession experiences that we've had like tend to be more in places that people i don't know i don't want to say suffering but they're like clearly like there might be depressed they might be like you know substance abuse like they're already they're weakened yeah and i think that's how they like choose these people you know like theoretically like you know if you're in good health and you're right-minded and you're in a good place it's going to be harder for something to overtake you than you know like someone that's you know i hate tominded and you're in a good place, it's going to be harder for something to overtake you than, you know, like someone that's, you know, I hate to say it,

but like in a weaker place, you know, that's interesting. I, I actually read a book, uh, about like somebody that had a, like a near death experience, right. And they're basically, they were above their body. Their body was dying. I think they were in a hospital and they went and they had this experience before they ultimately were brought back to life. And part of that experience is they saw people in weakened state that were being taken over by dark spirits. Really? Yeah. And actually, one of the points of reference is like this person watching porn.

Right. They were in a weakened state and like these dark spirits took them over right and then like yeah drugs or whatever else and so it's interesting that you say that because i actually you know i believe so very soon that's one of the things in our uh our other series house calls that we do where we focus on individual homes and we actually try to help the people so people submit videos saying that their home's haunted they're having problems and we go there we interview them we find out what's going on, we try to document, you know, evidence to just kind of back up that something's happening. And then we try to help them, we'll do cleansings, things

like that. And like offer advice to these families and how and one of the biggest things and that I find is what's Yeah, what's some of the advice? So like, one is kind of similar to that is like, be positive, like don't one don't feed into it like if you feel like something's there like as hard as it may be you got to ignore it like the more you feed into it the more you're like pushing it the more you're trying to interact some people try to interact some people try to communicate like don't i'd never investigate at home like yeah we'll do it on the road for you know when we're filming but like once i get home like there's no i have friends that come over and they're like can we do this can we do that i, no, like I'm not doing that in my own house.

Yeah. Because you don't want to feed that energy. It's kind of like a, it's like a bully in real life. You know, like the best way to get rid of a bully is to kind of just ignore them. Like I grew up with two older brothers. So like I was always picked on as a kid, like in fun, like, you know, nothing serious, just older brother type stuff. Yeah. And I learned that after I stopped freaking out, after I stopped caring and like it went through some times where like they're just

holding me down fart on my head and i'm just like whatever and like you do that for a little bit but then afterward they didn't care they're like oh this isn't fun like yeah he's not freaking out and the bully wants to be fed exactly so it's the same thing with spirits i think like yeah they want that energy they want you to and then the more you get scared, the more you feed into it, you starts breaking you down more, you know, and then maybe you start like, Oh, man, I'm stressed, I'm gonna have a drink now, or I'm gonna, you know, do this or that. And you start fighting with your loved ones. And it just causes riff or chaos in the home. And then that makes it even easier for them to start like getting into the people's minds and yeah, basically feeding off of more, you know, I think there's like a sixth sense that, that, uh, a lot of people know that is out there,

but they don't, or they they've experienced it, but they don't realize what they've experienced. And I, and I think it's like a, there's, there's definitely a communication between spirits, whether it's my spirit and yours, like from body to body or whatnot and i've experienced it so many times and you know some people explain it as like the law of attraction right right some people explain it as like in the scriptures it talks about hope right like hoping for something like like kind of like manifesting manifesting willing it into action and so i i always explain it as as like hope but it's so interesting like in business i've experienced this so many times where like i think on something i'm

like all right we need to either recruit this person or we need to build out this department or whatnot and it's the craziest thing what will happen and this has happened so many times that i cannot like discount it for what it is that we have this sixth sense between human beings where i will think all right i need to have this type of person in my organization and i will do nothing but think on it and all of a sudden all this is the weirdest thing i'll get phone calls texts and dms from people that fit that exact right like like it's like somehow our spirits communicated and they knew that i was wanting to communicate with them right it's it's the craziest thing and i think this like there's so much of that in life and we discount it all the time we're just like uh whatever it's

an anomaly or whatnot but like i i really the time we're just like uh whatever it's an anomaly or whatnot but like i really believe that we're spiritual beings having like a physical experience yeah i think that feeds into what we're talking about like positive negative energy the same thing if you're like oh man i'm never gonna make it i'm i'm just gonna i'm gonna be a failure i'll never get there you're not gonna get there yeah like just from that putting that out there you're never gonna get there absolutely when you're confident and you're like, no, I believe this is going to happen. I'm going to get there. It usually happens.

Yeah. All action starts out as a thought, right? And as you're explaining, we start it, we think about it, we contemplate on it. We will not see things, act on things, or really do anything unless we first contemplate on it i was actually talking with ryan panetta yesterday do you know ryan i know yeah so he's a he's a podcaster and does different things but um there's this this theory of the red car have you have you heard this theory so essentially so you came so you live here in vegas right okay and you drove here yep okay how many red cars do you see between your house and

here? I'm sure I did. But I you have no idea. Right. But had I asked you that beforehand, you would have paid attention to every single red car, right? So like, when you're thinking about things, when you're paying attention, you recognize opportunity. And when you recognize opportunity, you can take action. And right, like like it is so important that things originate in a thought in a feeling and like and to your point like it's got to be positive yeah it's got it's got to bring that that positive energy absolutely and so like tell me about like some of the like so obviously you've experienced some possessions like similar to the the swines being possessed like tell me tell me about some of those yes uh one that sticks out i forget like i we travel all the place i forget exactly where i was but we did this one it was for

the regular show but it was a house and uh family was having issues and they felt like the the you know the the father was being possessed basically like he was the one that kind of everything centered around him and so we're investigating we're trying to help this family out uh we bring in a priest to come out and do like a you know blessing and then eventually leads to like a minor rite of exorcism and you know i'm always still skeptical what so i don't understand exorcism tell me what is that it's basically like i mean in a sense it's a hardcore blessing like it's basically using religious provocation to basically battle and try to push out whatever, you know, demon, evil spirit, whatever it is, that's in this person's body. Um, and honestly, it's not going to work for everybody. Cause I

feel like if you're, if you don't have a religious base, it's probably not going to work. Yeah. You got to believe in it. Right. You have to believe in it. Like you got to show forth faith, hope. And this family, you know, they said they were very religious so we're like perfect we'll bring in we know a priest that you know basically kind of on speed dial on demand he'll come out and that's what he does he helps families that are dealing with this kind of stuff interesting uh so he came out and still skeptic because like you know it's still like you're just trusting this guy like his word that this stuff's happening and yeah he's kind of like you know lack of a term putting on a show like you know kind of me like i'm being affected and you know so at first you're like are you like is it you know like all right we'll see what

happens so time out yeah what percentage of experiences would you say are just like people putting on a show versus like dude something's happening so there's been time especially with like house calls there's been a few especially recently uh some of the newer ones we've done where like after like talking to him we're kind of like yeah i don't know i don't feel this but then we investigate by ourselves and we get evidence and we're like all right no there is something here so what percentage would you say there's nothing and what percentage so i would say out of all all our investigations there's only been one that really stuck out where like absolutely nothing happened like hands down all right nothing happened so and even 99 times out of 100 they're like and like something happened interesting okay

it's like different levels like sometimes crazier than others but like one time uh it was a house in seattle and they were making wild claims like 666 would be a pier written on the wall or posters would burst into flames and cause fires their pants would be nailed to the wall randomly wake up and their pair of pants is nailed to the wall so we're like all right this sounds wild let's go check it out and not a single thing happened and you know so that was that was the one it was just like you got some teenager playing some prank we're like yeah you're like i don't know and like honestly even on the show like we didn't want to just be like discount you know your lines right like for attention or whatever and we left it as hey when we were there nothing happened like maybe tomorrow it will be who knows but when we were there nothing happened

all right so time back in go back to the the story so you're with this guy all right during the the exorcism so he's going through like you know a rough time and he starts blessing him putting crucifix on him and every time he's like like has a strong reaction so he's like all right this is pretty pretty wild but like still in my mind how do we believe it right you know i believe it like i believe i see it happening but but still like, you know, he, you know, I doubt he's a great actor, but like, you never know. So it's like, how do we prove that this guy's legit? You know, he bugs out every time with the crucifix, things like that. So we sneak off into the kitchen. He's in the living room, has no idea we're doing this. Uh, we get a glass of water. The priest blesses it, does a little thing, makes it holy water. Right. We go back in, he's still,

we wait. And then he's like coughing and sneezing like snot coming out of his nose like just super mess you know and his wife's crying she's like please like please like she's like take drink some water like you know like you're like dehydrated you're like hyperventilating like calm down have some water and he's like no no and we're like no drink some water and he's like okay there's no idea that it became blessed he takes a sip as soon as he takes a sip instantly he starts throwing up and freaking out i'm like oh like he had no idea it was holy water and he's having a full-on reaction to it to water yeah so that made me be like all right this guy's legit there's something going on yeah he is possessed and we ended up having to hold him down.

And I think we actually cut it short because it was getting like almost violent. And like, there's a point where like, we were like trying to monitor his vitals and he was just like hyperventilating. We had to like hold him down while they were doing the blessing. And it got to a point where like,

he kind of calmed down, but we're like, we got to stop for now. Cause like, like he's going to hurt himself, like just from flailing around and like his like muscles would all tense up and just it was it was creepy like so what what ended up happening there uh i mean i think when by the time we left he was in a better place for sure uh unfortunately i don't know exactly like in the long run like if it came back or if he was able to fight it um that's one thing you know which makes which makes you wonder like you know to your point

earlier like what things had he done that opened himself up to this exactly right because that because based on your experience that's what happens right i feel like people are doing things that open themselves up like you just wake up one day and all of a sudden it's like oh it's all here and it's crazy like there's there's steps beforehand and but i think a lot of people too like they might ignore it they might be like oh no and like and i know i just contradict myself saying ignoring it is better to help but like sometimes they ignore that there's something wrong right and they don't take any action they're just like they ignore it and they're like oh no there's nothing i'm fine i'm fine like the denial thing right right and then it slowly gets up to

them and it gets to a point where they're like all I can't deny it now. And now it's too strong that I can't get it off me. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. So I know we talked about earlier. So you were previously married. Yeah. Are you OK sharing that experience? I've talked about it before. You know, it was definitely probably one of the toughest times of my life. But my ex-wife was our photographer. So she would do behind the scenes and she traveled with us and, you know, promo photos of each episode. And, you know, a lot of times she would go off by herself and take photos of the location while we're like filming over here or something, not during the investigation, but during the interview

parts. And we were at a place called Goatman's Bridge in Denton, Texas. And, you know, we're filming, we're doing our interviews and ironically all our interviews were women that were saying like women always get affected here and we kind of go back to like where our equipment is taking a break and she's over there and she's just like like face change like staring through us like just and she was like super chill like almost hippie fun yeah you know good vibe person but like just like some daggers like and we're just like you all right and she was just like like nope and we're just like all right and we're like so then we grab the camera we start filming like what is going on and then she was just like started breaking down and saying like

something like just super dark thoughts like she wanted to hurt us all kinds of things which was not her and even like visually like which is weird because like all of us i've seen every one of us now that are on the show like we're brothers you know like yeah i know their emotions i know their quirks i know how they are and i've seen like changes in the face the eyes like they just change it's hard to explain but like you just know like all right you're not you right now uh so would you say that each one of you have like had like some level of possession yeah i think so there's things yeah i've had personally i've had a lot of like lost time where like in my mind i'm like oh i've sitting here for five minutes and they're like no it's been like an hour wow like i really don't know and then i watch footage and

like i'm just not there like in a way you know like you could tell i'm not there like crazy which creeps me out yeah but uh but then so with her so like you know and she's i get like she's one of the toughest women i knew and uh she wanted to go out and face it during the investigation she's like no like i'm not gonna let this do and i was like we're like okay like if she did she know she was feeling possession yeah she she went she was like i know like something's like trying to get into me something's trying to like alter my thoughts and mess with me so she's like i want to get out there and we're like all right like you sure like so she wanted to do it so she goes out by herself and it's on the show and she goes out by herself into these woods uh to kind of face whatever it is and i give her credit for it

takes some you know some serious courage to do that and she got something hit her in the head unknown uh all kinds of weird stuff we're like watching from cameras from a distance uh and she came back and she seemed kind of okay and then but she just was like yeah like i can't do this like it just was too much in her head so then uh she was like all right we kind of all agree we're like you can take a break from the show like just stay home like yeah take a couple months off like just relax and it is like it is like even just the traveling what we do like we deal with a lot of sucks a lot of energy it does it wears out so i get it like you know like stay home for take a couple months off you know feel better but during those couple

months you just started declining more and got even a darker place, darker, darker, darker, and then started drinking and, you know, like, kind of stuff like that. And just was like, all the time and just kind of became dumb. Like she just left. And in the moment, like I wanted to help, I wanted to try to, you know, help her out. But then there was like a disconnect where like there was just a wall between us and you know looking back like i'm sure i probably could have pushed more and maybe i should have tried but like i i'm sure some you know the energy was affecting me too and i was just like all right like i can't help you you're not letting me in to help you like and she just was declining down a dark path and we eventually were just like all right we you know probably

best to split up and go our separate ways and then she did and she you know from what i've heard like she felt better after a while like kind of just getting away from the whole world of the paranormal she was able to kind of like get herself back you know but i think that's something that probably still always messes with her at some level and yeah you know and a really weird thing which is kind of wild so like to kind of button up that story uh for about a year or so later we're doing an investigation uh my buddy who's on the show he has a museum downtown vegas called the haunted museum and uh there's a big uh we have ed gein the serial killer and we have his cauldron where he's like cook body parts and stuff in and we're doing a we're filming in this witch from england a friend of ours lady snake who unfortunately has passed away now but

like she's in there and she's like i want to do a ritual with this and she just points at me and she's like you have to do it with me and i was like all right let's do this let's let's try it out and you know i don't know what her intentions were but my intention was at that time i wanted to basically get rid of these energies that i felt were still hanging on my life. You know, one was that energy from Goatman's Bridge. This was like a year after that, but it was still, it was just like a lingering, like head mist, you know? So I had that, uh, there was a dark energy from, uh, we did this documentary called Demon House, uh, this house in Gary, Indiana, and that was one of the most evil places we've ever been and so like

it was pretty gnarly oh it was terrible and like that was still like i just felt that lingering as well and then there's uh with a ouija board uh entity that i've encountered many times in my life that actually tried to kill me once what yeah what do you mean jump back to that keep going uh so those three things were kind of always still just like, they're just like, they're just like just outside of your sight. You know what I mean? Like,

and I was doing all right. Like, but like, I just felt like that was there. So I was like, all right, that's my goal. And this ritual here is to basically once and for all get rid of those three

energies. In order to do that, you kind of have to face it. You have to pull it out. You have to like basically invite these things in and then be like lack of a better term simplicity is just be like now get out like you're not gonna bother me anymore like you're banished blah blah blah like there's more to it but that's basically the simple you know simple version of it so i do that and in the time you're pulling it out crazy stuff happens we got crazy evidence everyone in other rooms like it was just a very chaotic moment during filming where was this at uh it was at the the haunted museum right here in downtown and uh so after that i had to like

drip my blood in the cauldron all kinds of stuff like you know i went out i was like all right let's do this and the end of the night i felt great i actually felt like those energies were gone for the first time completely interesting and it was great uh the next day i get a message from my ex haven't talked to her in a long time and she's like for the first time last night in like a year i felt that energy suddenly come back and she's on the other side of the country like in a positive or negative in a negative way like she's been good like she's like hasn't felt that negative energy in a long time and she's like but last night she's like i felt that for the first time and then it went away but she's like she's like what was going on like i felt that and i was like oh i guess it's my bad like i did this thing and i've had to pull

it out but it was wild that during that time where like i had to pull it out to get rid of it across the country she She felt that too. Yeah, that is interesting. Yeah, it's pretty nuts how kind of what you're saying, the connection. I think there is a universal consciousness or something that connects all of us. 100%. Yeah.

So how do you deal with, because obviously you experience a lot of negative energy when you're out there. Yeah. Explain to your travel schedule. What does your travel schedule look like right like? Pretty much we shoot an episode, like, well, like most shows shoot a season in like a few months, they'll like power through, do a bunch of months and then they're off for the rest of the year. Yep. We haven't done that. We

shoot every other week and I've been doing it for 13 years. So literally every other week we're on the road. So every other week you go out, what day? We'll travel like on a Monday. Usually, uh, we shoot tuesday wednesday thursday and then travel home friday okay and then off for i guess 10 days and then we do it again do it again monday to friday okay so in between obviously you experience some of these negative energies like what are some things some best practices that help you just keep your mind pure and clean and and like away from. Yeah. I think it's taken a long time, I think. And I learned hard ways through like personal life and relationships and, you know,

things like that to kind of, it took a while to like leave work at work, if you will. And, uh, one thing for me is just like, we've mentioned many times, like staying positive. Like I'm a, I am naturally a positive person in it, but if I'm ever feeling like, all right, there's something, something kind of like lingering around. There's a little darkness like I'll go hiking. I'll go Red Rock or up to Mount Charleston. Just go hiking. Nature is very important to me.

Like kind of grounding yourself and kind of resetting your energy creation. I'm a musician. I like to play music like that helps a lot. So creating doing like even if, you know, never see the light of day, but just going and just like I like to play music. Like that helps a lot. So creating, doing things. Like even if, you know, I'll never see the light of day, but just going and just like creating a bunch of music or even not necessarily even good, but even just like painting or drawing, like just finding things that you can focus your energy in a creative, positive way. Do you have a therapist? Do you have anyone? No, not yet. I probably will one day. I'm sure. But like, as of right now, I've been doing all right. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Very, very interesting. So what are, so obviously you've experienced a lot of paranormal activity. Like what are your beliefs as far as like a higher being God or, you know, what are your thoughts around that? I never necessarily grew up religious. Yeah. So I don't have any like official like religious ties. That's fine.

It doesn't necessarily need to be a church, but I just want to understand what your belief system is. I don't dismiss it. Like I'm kind of the same thing. Like, you know what? Like, who am I to say? Like they're very well could be, they're very well can't be. Like, I think no one, you know, like, and not trying to like cause rifts or anything,

but like, we really don't know. Like, and I know like people have faith and that's a beautiful thing. And if it helps you and like 100 go for it uh i like to personally like you know cover my ground by just being a positive good person like just kind of you know i believe in karma i believe you know and if that is you know a superior like a god person that's watching over and doing it it might be or it might just be the universe it could just be energy like. Like there's so many things, but I try to still live that like, you know, positive, good life, like treat people how you want to be treated, things like that. And, you know, just to kind of, I don't know. And I think like you were saying, I feel like the universe,

you know, if that is a higher power or if it's something else, or, you know, like I said, who knows? Like, I do feel like there's something that like watches out for us there is something that like kind of keeps things together in a way and so what first got you into studying paranormal activity and like whoa you started on the show in 2010 but like what was the yeah so i mean before that even as a kid like i said like uh i didn't grow up religious so i kind of had I had a weird freedom. I was the youngest kid. So my parents by that point were kind of like, do what you want. Like, you know, you know, kind of like.

And where'd you grow up? New Jersey. OK. Just outside of Philadelphia. Got it. And so I grew up as like a very explorative kid. I was like kind of a nerd. I was very into science and things like that.

And like, but I love the idea of the unknown. So I actually studied like different religious beliefs, different, you know, ancient stuff, even like Celtics and, you know, Wiccan and like just everything. I even studied Christianity, Buddhism, like Tao is like just, I've loved it all. I thought it was fascinating and kind of like the idea of figuring this stuff out and, you know, kind of like, you know, that connection that I think we all have, but we tend to lose like i was really into that and i had experiences as a kid like seeing like some kind of entity in the woods once probably like probably around eighth and ninth grade i think was like one of the first

like whoa i saw something uh and then when i was a teenager uh there was one night uh i was playing in a band and we finished band practice and we're like all right that's what are we gonna do now we're like let's play the ouija board and like we're all like all right let's a band and we finished band practice and we're like, all right, that's what are we going to do now? We're like, let's play the Ouija board. And like, we're all like, all right, let's do it. And we're like,

but like, let's go all out. Let's, let's really do it. You know, like we've played around before, but this time we're like, let's do whatever we can.

So we've kind of like, we don't know what we're doing. Like we're just kids and we're like, all right, let's do anything ritualistic. We can't. So we had a candle, we had a dish of water,

we had incense, we had a dagger, like just everything we've seen in movies and stuff that could be, like, ritualistic. Like, let's just get it all together and start talking on the Ouija board. So we do all that. We're on the Ouija board. It's moving. It's talking.

It's answering questions. So it's saying we're talking to the little child, which, first of all, now, in retrospect, never believe what it's saying. Like, because I think that's another way of, like, getting your guard down down and then these things can step in and take over but it was saying it was a little kid i kept saying its name was z something and we're just like what like z like what that's weird and you know and then i noticed the incense on the smoke uh would go down and it would like go straight to the dagger so i was like that's kind of weird so i picked up the dagger moved it to the other side the incense would change go down to the dagger again and I was like, that's kind of weird. So I picked up the dagger, moved it to the other side. The incense would change, go down to the dagger again. And I was like, all right, that's

weird. So I was like, guys, check this out. And I would move the dagger all different places. Every time I'd move it, the smoke would change and go right to the dagger. So then we're like, okay, we're like, are you attracted to the dagger? And it said, yes. Like, all right, that's kind of weird. And then the stupidest question I've ever asked my entire life i said can you come through the dagger into us and it said yes so we all kind of stopped for a minute we're like all right we're looking around like what are we gonna do you know like we're like this is what we wanted we wanted to get creeped out we wanted to like go all out so we're like all right like let's see what happens you know so somehow i don't remember but it was myself and

uh i was playing guitar in the band it was the other guitarist we're like all right we'll both hold it the dagger was in a sheath so you could like hold where the blade was so we lay on the ground we're like we're both holding the dagger we're like all right you can come through us and instantly i got a feeling of overwhelming sadness from my toes like in my toes up my legs through my whole body it's i've never felt like anything like it before like actually feeling sadness in your legs like it's so bizarre but like that's just the only thing i could describe it as and he jumps up on top of me his knees are now on my shoulder i'm on my body yeah i'm on my back on the ground his knees are

here he's like i'm like this he's trying to pull the dagger out of the sheath like you have to press a button which he doesn't even know and he breaks it open and lunges it towards my throat so i'm on my back holding him now i'm shaking as much as i can the daggers past my chin oh my goodness pushing as hard as he can like if i let go percent, it would have been through my neck. And all of a sudden, it probably lasted like 10, 15 seconds. He goes totally limp, full tears, like full crying, has no idea what happened, what was going on.

And we're all like, we're done. We're like, all right, that's it. Dude, that's enough to keep me away from the paranormal for the rest of my life. Right, yeah. Dude, that is wild. You know, one time, you know, my mom always told me, stay away from those things, the Ouija boards and whatnot. But my buddy had one, and we screwed around with it for a little bit.

And I was just like, dude, I got such a dark feeling playing with it. I was like, never again. Well, there's a whole thing, which I didn't even think of at the time. But years later, fast forward, we're doing the show, and there's a case that's based around a Ouija board. And we learn that there's this demon that goes through Ouija boards a lot that appears all the time, and it calls itself Zozo, Z-O-Z-O. What?

And I'm like, oh, shit. It kept saying its name was Z, and it would move around a lot. And I was like, I wonder if that was the same thing. So on the show, I'm doing the Ouija board with this guy who doesn't know me at all. At this point, I've never talked about this story. You're doing the Ouija board again? Yeah, on the show. I'm doing the Ouija board with this guy who doesn't know me at all. At this point, I've never talked about this story. You're doing the Ouija board again? Yeah, on the show.

You're crazy, dude. With the guy who lived in this house that had these experiences. He doesn't know me. And like I said, I've talked about this experience since. But before that, I never publicly talked about it. So there's no way he knew. And I know I wasn't moving it. So it starts saying, oh, it's saying its name is Zio, Zio, zio zio just keeps doing that and i'm like have we met before and it's like yes right away

and i'm like okay and i was like what did you try to do and it said like kill you and then it said like and i was like how and it said stab and i was like all right it's nuts and like the guy had no idea and i know i wasn't moving it so i was like all right this. Dude, wild. It's nuts. And the guy had no idea. And I know I wasn't moving it. So I was like, all right, this is legit. And then just another little bookend on that, I guess. Fast forward a few years later. I'm randomly at somewhere on the road. I'm at a Waffle House. I'm just by myself sitting up at the bar.

And I hear these two girls talking about, are we going to do the Ouija board again tonight? And it kind of gets my interest. And I'm listening to their conversation. And they're like, yeah, I wonder if that like ZO thing's gonna come back like that was that was talking to us last night and I'm just like whoa and I was like what did you just say like they probably thought I was like some crazy guy and I'm like no I was like don't do that and I had to like try to explain to them like the whole theory that this whatever this thing is like it likes to come through ouija boards dude that's that's wild

yeah so kids if you're listening out there adults anyone stay the freak away from exactly just because it sells it in the toy aisle does not dude it's not a play that is not a not a toy so yeah screwing around with the paranormal can definitely lead to some craziness but once again i'm a uh i'm a big believer in in spirits in in in positive spirits and positive thinking and that you can really change the world with good positive energy and you know last before we wrap up love to hear a little bit about like i know you have a production studio in which you do a lot of giving back into creators and stuff tell tell us about that yeah so i have a company called Simple Equations Media.

We're based here in Vegas. We're a full-stop production company. So we provide crew equipment to films, other TV shows, commercials, music videos. We also create in-house content for those type of things as well. We have a full post-production studio from editing, color correction, full-on recording studio, whether it's post-production studio from editing, color correction, full-on recording studio, whether it's post-production sound or someone just wanting to create music. But one of the big things I've been doing, and probably because of the show, has allowed me to be able to

work with people that don't have budgets. When I was first starting in production, you know, back in 2002, either you had to have tons of money or you had to, like, have, like, really good connections to, like, you know, you just to like have like really good connections to like, you know, you just want to make your own first project. Like, and it was so hard to get that. There wasn't good support. Like there's plenty of rental houses, but like, you know, they want perfect insurance. They want this, they want all like top money for everything. And I was like, I don't want to do that. I want to be able to create a place where like, of course we still make money and we have like our clients and things, but like if a student comes to me, someone from like UNLV or someone else that just

has a good story, a good passion, a good project, and they want to create something, I'll be like, all right, let's, let's work it out. What do you feel you can do? You know, you can do a little bit, you can do something, nothing. We become friends, like go for it. If it's available, it's there for you. And then even like helping out, like kind of jumping on is like, I guess maybe like a supervising producer and kind of just help guide them through their projects is like, you know, fires come up, I'll put them out for them and try to give them advice on how to like navigate those waters. And, you know, I like doing that. And I work with an organization a lot now called FEAT. It's Families for the Ethical Treat the ethical treatment of autism so it's a great organization in vegas that actually help families with autistic children and adults uh so we do a

lot of things we're actually going to do a charity poker game next month oh very cool we have a charity golf tournament in december like so we're always doing fun good for you you know we just did a big thing uh a lot of the kids uh adults, too, all autistic, created original pieces of artwork. And it was all featured at the Life is Beautiful Festival that just happened. They had a big installment there of all their artwork, which was really cool. Yeah, interesting. Well, dude, thank you so much for sharing your stories. I think there's a lot of really good nuggets in there as far as like positive thinking and being a good influence on the world.

As terrifying as it is and scary as it is, like it's definitely learned to appreciate the beauty and the positive in life. Yeah, that's awesome. Where is a good place? Obviously, we can get on your show. And what channel is that on? We're on Discovery Channel on Wednesday nights. And so there's the show and then there's also some outtakes and stuff yeah we have a few series so we have uh ghost adventures is the

regular show that's on wednesday nights uh we have scream ghost adventures screaming room okay which is when we watch all the episodes so if you're aware of our episodes and a fan you get more information which is great and then our show ghost adventure house calls where we focus on individual homes and actually like directly trying to help people. We also have a show called The Haunted Museum. That's more of a scripted storytelling where we tell the story of an object through a cinematic storytelling. And that comes out at the end of October, I believe. That's going to be on travel.

Very cool. So yeah, our reruns and stuff are always on travel. New ones on Discovery. And you can also see us Discovery Plus and on Max as well. Awesome, awesome. And then as far as like following you personally, where's the best route? I'm jwasleyfilm on Instagram and Facebook. And that's spelled W-A-S-L-E-Y.

Okay, and that's J-A-Y-W-A-S-L-E-Y film on Instagram. On Instagram and Facebook, and then just Jay Wasley on Twitter. Awesome. And where's the best place to like shoot you a message direct or whatnot? Yeah. I mean, you can go to my company's website. They have a contact form on there.

It's always an easy way. It's a simple equations, media.com. Awesome. Awesome. Very, very good. Well,

thank you so much for your time. You brought some, some great, great energy, good positive energy to finish on. Appreciate it. Until next time. You brought some great energy, good positive energy to finish on. Appreciate it. Until next time!