NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 13 Things We Learned at OTAs: A New Jalen Hurts (?), Daniel Jones' Timeline and the Worst Presser Question of the Year

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook get you caught up on everything they learned from OTAs around the NFL including Jalen Hurts talking about a new look to the Eagles offense, Lamar Jackson's future with the Ravens, Kyler Murray and J.J. McCarthy battling for the Vikings QB1 spot, Daniel Jones' status for the Colts and more! NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome to NFL Daily, where nothing can replace the greatness that Nick Shook and I have achieved together. That's my partner here on this Thursday, running through all the things we've learned. On a busy week of organized team activities, I'm Greg Rosenthal. This is NFL Daily. I'm in my garage. It's going to be our last news update of the week, but we do have a big ranking show.

Dropping on Friday. Good to see they didn't call you. you for jury duty yet, Nick Shook. Yeah, still got two more days, but so far so good. Yeah, I don't know. I might have just been talking to a wall today if you couldn't make it. But luckily, I've got you to talk about, yes, A.J. Brown a little bit. We got some fun stuff in this show, a little Jackson Dart update, Lamar, a lot of weird

Jim Harbaugh sound. But we do start with Jalen Hertz and the Eagles. I thought it was interesting the wording that Jalen Hertz used. to talk about his teammate, A.J. Brown. If AJ is traded, how would that affect your offense? How would that affect you? Pick the right of question, the sip on, huh? No, I think for us, you know, we're focused on learning the offense.

It really doesn't change in terms of our approach to improve, you know. There's an if. Obviously, been a lingering thing, but, you know, none can replace all the greatness that we achieve together. Definitely speaking in the past tense there, not a surprise, but AJ Brown has not been there at OTAs. And just the fact that Jalen Hertz is addressing this publicly in such a way, you know, makes it feel a little more certain than ever before for what it's worth. Ian Rappaport, or we're going to get to his reporting on the matter in just a second,

said, hey, they're good personally. I think from a football perspective, maybe they're not so good there, but personally they're good. That's always a tough distinction to make because in this professional world of football, those two things bleed into each other, especially in the regular season. And really at this point, in the off season,

yeah, you get your little break in June, but then you come back and, you know, everything crosses over because that's your lives that you share together. And I don't know if I agree with the whole football. AJ Brown's a hell of a receiver. And I feel like maybe it was on the Eagles to try to figure out a way to maximize it,

but they couldn't figure out a way to get their offense going consistently, basically every other year over the last three or four years. And I think that's probably priority number one and not having AJ Brown part of the equation

puts them in the best position to move forward as a cohesive unit as opposed to one that's constantly fighting the drama of not getting him enough targets, which hey,

I'd feed him the football, but I understand. Here's the thing about what Jalen Hurd said there. He's right. I mean, AJ Brown never been

an all-pro receiver before he joined the Eagles. He made the second team all pro three straight years. He had over 1,450 yards in the regular seasons and back-to-back seasons with Jalen Hertz throwing him the ball. Jailen Hertz is so good throwing the ball down the field. Their marriage was incredible. I will never forget the catch that A.J. Brown had in the Super Bowl that they lost against the Chiefs and really that performance in general in the playoffs and especially that game. And then obviously huge factor for when they do win the Super Bowl. So,

yeah, not everything can last forever. the question is how long does A.J. Brown's spot on the roster last into the offseason. The idea is that, okay, June 1st hits, then there's less of a cap hit when you trade him. Our friend Ian, who appeared with

Adam Schaefter. Talk about breaking barriers here on Macafia on prime time the other night. It's a new world we're living in. Reported on our air, NFL network, that it might not be so simple as a quick trade to the Patriots. As far as the

actual trade, though, you know, we're all waiting for June 1st to happen so the cap hit is in half for the Philadelphia Eagles and they could trade them. I just don't know that it's going to be like, snap your fingers and the deal is done because the two sides are where they have been, which is the Eagles wanting a first round pick in 2027. And Patriots, the most likely destination. We'll see if someone else rises, but Patriots are most likely destination, not being willing to give up a first run pick as of right now. That means they're not particularly close. And yeah, there's a chance this could drag on for the foreseeable future. Shook, you know, I'm going to be leaving for Japan at some point.

You'll be filling in on some of those shows. You're going to be writing articles, I'm sure, throughout the summer when you're around. This thing could continue. It is interesting. They're still playing it out in the media of like the Patriots will not give up a first-round pick. It is still a little bit of a staring match right now. I like you subtly predicting how frustrated I'm going to get with the AJ Brown storyline by the time we get to July. because it's very true.

It's going to drag on. We're going to update inch by inches as it progresses. But I also understand the current landscape between getting rid of AJ Brown because you know you need to part ways of them and actually maximizing your return on him. And I think it's going to get interesting. I know we talked about this on the show last week, that another team I think will get involved. And maybe it's just a bidding more at that point. But I don't think it's a simple, you know, make a deal with the Patriots as soon as we hit June.

And I think that's smart on the part of Howie Roseman, who always makes smart decisions, even when it comes with parting with one of the, in my opinion, one of the better receivers in the NFL. Yet no reason why they can't kick it into training camp even. It really could last that long because then an injury could pop up and that's going to help their situation. The Chiefs did, you know, move money around in George G. Galifis's contract. Could that be opening up some room for AJ Brown? Probably not because they have to do more to make that happen.

This was potentially just to get their rookie sign. They are very tight to the cap. Jalen Hurts also had some new quotes on the, offense. And I thought it was interesting. He was asked about the West Coast attack. And he said, from a past game standpoint, as things have evolved, we were very one-on-one dependent. Now we're trying, you know, just trying to find a matchup instead of full-flow West Coast reading the field offense. Like the way he said that, because it does indicate a level of buy-in from Hertz. What was our biggest criticism of Jalen Hertz over the last couple of years? It was that he often

stood in the pocket trying to find and wait for the perfect throw instead of just taking what the defense gives in. That is not the philosophy of the West Coast system. The West Coast system is all about timing. It's pre-snap reads. It's getting the ball out and getting it to the guy that's designed to be open. It really encourages me. I think this could actually really open up the Eagles offense, even without A.J. Brown in the mix because it'll capitalize on Hertz's accurate passing abilities, his ability to get the ball out on time. Instead of putting him in a box where he's got to try to find the perfect throw, which is his problem. That's not a design of the offense, but that's often his problem, especially when you're stuck in one-on-ones

as you're waiting for one of those guys to get open. Instead, it's all about the way that the whole pass is designed, the way the patterns are designed. I think it's going to maximize his abilities and maybe finally lift the Eagles out of this rut that they've been stuck in pretty much every other year. So I'm really excited to see how this is all, you know, put into motion here in Philadelphia.

Feels like a test run, and if Hertz doesn't pass it, who knows? He might be on a different team. I think his biggest issue just hasn't been willing or able to run nearly as much, just hasn't, especially last. year was just not an asset in terms of his legs. Well, he likes to float. He likes to float. He doesn't like to actually take off. He likes to float. He's 27 years old. Like, he should not be slowing down that much if for whatever reason he got hurt this year or just wasn't playing well. They got two options behind

him and just wanted to pass along that Andy Dalton and Tanner McKee are sharing the second team reps there in Philadelphia. So a little bit of a backup quarterback competition. More on one of those later on. First, let's go to the Giants. Same division. Jackson Dart addressed the entire team, according to Mike Garifolo, on our show, The Insiders on NFL Network, that he wanted to really clear the air after his introduction of President Donald Trump over the weekend, got a lot of attention, and then Abdul Carter came at him on Twitter, then said it was all fine. According to our insiders, multiple Giants leaders did speak at this.

One of the big takeaways was handle this stuff privately, not publicly. Well, it still got out publicly, but it does feel like, okay, they handled it as men, and we're moving on. That's so,

it's so John Harbaugh of them, by the way, to handle it internally and not let those things bleed out into the public. So if Giants fans are looking for any sliver of positivity to come from this whole, I don't even know

what you call, the spectacle, whatever this is, incident. It's the fact that the giants aren't the dysfunctional, messy, let everything leak out to the public organization that they've been over the last few years, at least so far. Okay. That's a fair. It's a fair comeback that they did handle what was, I believe, a very minor issue that was never going to be an issue, but good on dark to address it. A little test run. Lamar Jackson is back at Ravens OTAs. We mentioned that with Patrick on Wednesday's show.

He was asked about his lingering contract situation. So he's going to be a free agent in about a year and a half. Because of the way they moved around his restructure this offseason, he has due something like $75, $85, $85 million in terms of a cap number next year. That sounds untenable for the Ravens. So it's a good leverage position for Lamar Jackson's representative, who happens to be Lamar Jackson, doesn't have an agent. Let's hear from Lamar in front of the media.

I was thinking about how I was going to respond to this question. Got it. But, you know, I'm going to give you the same as I always get. No, but I just want to keep those conversations private. You know, we restructured the deal. And that's what we have right now. Is there a chance that you could play out this season, just bet on yourself and not sign a contract?

We got the reconstruction done. Like I said, Jerry. We just going to go from there. Do you feel, though, I mean, because it's now 20-some months until possibly be a free agent, James, you're trying to ask the question differently than Jerry just asking. I am. Yeah, that's smooth, but I'm going to be the same answer.

No, I have a little different question. All right, go ahead. Do you still envision yourself long term here with the Ravens? Absolutely, I love the Ravens. I love this organization. I love the city. My first takeaway is, like all of us, kind of stuck up on me. Lamar Jackson, no longer like a rookie, just aging a little bit.

Just looks like, you know, he's about to be entering his 30s. He's looking more like a real adult man. He was adult at 23, but it's a little different when you hear you. Looking more like an adult man handling complex situations that, you know, often come with contracts, like an adult, you know, knowing how to handle the questions that come being, you know, forthright, but without, you know, causing any controversy. Good on Lamar in all these areas. And good on him as somebody who has experience negotiating contracts for himself now,

that he knows how this process is handled. And instead of him just deferring to his agent, he gets to be his own agent and, you know, keep some things close to the best. However, I have one complaint, and those of you watching on YouTube probably saw, I thought that the end of the Harbaugh era would mean the end of the gaudy, awful patches on the practice jerseys with all your awards. Lamar has a billion of them. It's bigger than a jersey patch ad now. Like, can we cut that out already?

Okay. That is an absolutely fair criticism. And I think it's tricky with Lamar as his own agent, but he did reveal one thing, which he said, we are going to leave the guaranteed contract requests in the past. Someone asked him, are you going to ask for a fully guaranteed contract, which is what he was looking for back in 2022? Didn't get it. He said, no, that was that was 2022.

Why are we talking about that? That's not what we're going to do. So appreciate Lamar, big season for him coming off a down year. Jim Harbaugh has so many good quotes. We can only use a couple of them. I could just listen to Jim Harbaugh talk all day. let's hear about his conversation involving his offensive coordinator and his quarterback. Yes, Justin Herbert is back at OTAs.

One of the quotes we're not using was him being asked about Herbert missing practice. And he said, you know, Herbert said he wanted to go support Madison. He's on a first name basis, apparently with Madison Beer, who is the influencers slash pop star that I was definitely familiar with. that Jim Harbaugh was definitely familiar with before Justin Herbert started stadium and said, look, Madison's going to support him. We want him to support Madison. I said he was going to be gone for a couple weeks. He said that was good.

Can I drive you to the airport? This is a guy that, you know, is always playing through a broken hand. He thinks it's very healthy for Herbert to take some time off. So how about Jim Harbaugh being a modern coach? But he's not so modern that he can't just geek out over the two men that he gets to work with every day. You know, the two of them, it's been better. It's been a better, I mean, mesh, whatever. you call it, then I even thought it would be.

And I know, I said they're both so smart a couple times, but, I mean, they are so smart. How smart are they, coach? Well, I wish I could tell you because I'm not smart enough to know how smart they really are. It's just, it's been great. I appreciate that. Here's the secret, though.

Harbaugh is smart enough to know he's not smart enough to know how smart they are, which is a level that most people just don't even get to. They don't even realize that they're not smart enough to understand how smart enough. Like that shows a level of emotional intelligence and maturity, I think, from Jim Harba. I believe that's what we call peak self-awareness. Knowing when to get out of the way is a great quality of great leaders. However, in that clip there, he definitely started to say things and then realized I have no way to get to the end of this track. Like, I don't know where this sentence is ending.

I don't know what I'm trying to say and just drift it off and said, yeah, it's great. Glad you pointed that out. We happen to have another clip, which I can't really describe other than Eric labeled it as sound. Awkward. Like we always look at that, you know, they can't have enough good players. And, end, end sentence. Can't have enough good players and can't have enough good players. Stop things.

I know. I'm growing, trying to learn. Just trails off into nothing. I think he's gotten some. coaching, maybe actually from the media that they never know when his sentences end, that they just keep going on and on. It's a tough thing to learn as someone that loves to talk. I don't know if I fully learn this lesson either. Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you listen to these shows, you can hear me definitely struggling to figure out how to tie a bow on things. But I mean,

and maybe he'll just start adopting the trendy phase, period. Period. Period. Okay, it's especially tough when you're getting asked questions. I don't think I'm, like, I'm a decent podcast guest. That's different. But in the rare instances, I'm ever being asked questions like in an interview, it's tough. You do start rambling and then you immediately start thinking about your life as a journalist and you're like, no, you want the people that are concise and say a great line or two and then stop the answer. That's not Jim Harbaugh, especially when he's.

talking ball. No, he's he's not really, I don't know. I mean, I understand because sometimes I'll say something and then in an interview setting, then come all the way back around and repeat what I said at the beginning to tie it all together, which is redundant and is not concise. So we're all working on it. And to loop back to the original point, this is not a joke. It took me about five years, four or five years, I think, of reading about football, covering football, doing it on a day-to-day basis. getting into like everything I could to to I think fully even understand how much I didn't know. You know what I mean?

And I see people who spend their whole life in this industry, prominent places. And I don't think they ever even get to that point to even really, because they don't want to like accept how little they know because they want to be able to speak authoritatively on it or just don't like being like in that position. It's like that it is a good lesson in life to learn in the different. aspects of your life, how little you might know about a particular subject. It's fine. As soon as you stop growing, you start dying, right? So always try to improve. I agree. Good quote. Who's back on the field? I could not transition as soon as you start dying with the return of Rayshan Slater and Joel to the field. Both doing team drills, both coming off major injuries last year. And I was just happy to see that so far no restrictions on either

of the tackles, Harbaugh indicated that they are on track to be fully ready for training camp. Good news there. Let's go to Minnesota, where we heard from Kyler Murray and, more importantly, in my mind, J.J. McCarthy for the first time this offseason talking about each other. Here is JJ. Actually, we're going to hear from both, and you can just kind of pick out the different ways they answered similar questions. It's been great. Obviously, I know he's a younger guy. So any way I can help him, obviously, I feel like, you know, I've played seven years now going on eight. So I'm considered a veteran, even though I don't see myself as that. Give him any knowledge that he needs.

Again, you know, we're both competitors, and I know, you know, we both won what's best for the team. Is he been receptive to hearing criticism? Of course, of course. Yeah, he's no, he's overly accepted, you know, and he's always communicating, asking questions, stuff like that, so it's been good. You know, it's just like two guys in a classroom. You know, he sits on one side, I sit on the other side. And it's the coach's responsibility to teach us and coach us. Is there any awkwardness between you two?

Awkwardness, you know, it's just like the same feeling, you know, when you're in high school. And there's another person on the other side of the room. That's just kind of how it is. So I wouldn't say there's any awkwardness. That was Kyle Murray speaking first, and J.J. McCarthy next up. JJ looks a little bulked up, by the way. Any takeaways from how the two quarterbacks kind of handled the quarterback competition question? I think you have one who is a pro and knows how to not be 100% honest and just say what the media probably wants him to say and handle it properly.

And you have another one who is not well-versed in that and is not used to having to battle for his starting job. And again, has a hard time hiding the fact that he's in an unusual situation that's uncomfortable to him. I read Alec Lewis from The Athletic and he thought the differences between the two of them were quite notable on the field. just how confident Murray was running the offense and the types of plays that they were running and it was a lot of like, oh yeah, this is how it should look, big play down the field to Jordan Addison.

And I think the difference in terms of maturity at the pro level, you could see it in those answers too because McCarthy, I think, was needlessly defensive if you watched his press conference in general. Like he's just not wanting to share too much after last year. Maybe he shared everything. and he feels burnt by it.

And the truth of the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. It's like, these two guys, they probably don't have much of a relationship. I always find it funny when brand new teammates are like, how has JJ been in locker? I mean, they've barely spent any time together. They're in a classroom, like it, but I'm sure they've been cordial and it's fine. Like, they don't really have a relationship and suddenly they have to talk about it. But Kyler's just like a normal guy about it where J.J. McCarthy sounds like a very young guy who's dealing with a difficult situation.

I just imagine if somebody, if the power. that be brought in a competing host and you were battling for not only the main power chair but also the name on the show, the name on the door. How would you answer? You'd answer it like a pro. Whereas somebody with less experience would be like

yeah, it's cool. I want to share it. It depends how much I respected and enjoyed that other person. You know, I want, you know, we need more shook, more Claibon, more Jordan

let's elevate all of us more Ollie like it's all happening but I respect and love all for you now if you bring in someone that it's new and you don't like totally like the vibe then it's suddenly then it gets weird maybe then I am giving a JJ type of answer hopefully we never get there

Kyler Kyler gave the answer of a guy who knows he's going to win the job let's go to the Jets who revealed on Thursday that Kenyon Sadiq their first round pick at tight ed one of them is going undergoing hernia surgery already happened they expect them to be ready for training camp they said it's not anything they didn't know when they drafted him i'm not sure i totally believe that not a great sign uh but hopefully he is back for training camps so just something to watch there i have been numbering these points it's very important to

number your points that is now the ninth thing we learned at training camp the 10th is actually it's I'm mashing a lot of things together when it comes to the Jets that didn't feel like they all deserve their own number. Number one, they signed Young Way Koo this week. Great.

Let's have a Young Way Koo, Kade York battle. Cade York's hurt right now. They also said they're having an open competition at their backup quarterback spot. Kade Clubnick, Bailey Zappy,

and Brady Cook, which is not inspiring and also is the most quarterbacky name trio possible. Just, my wife emmaica you know she's not a big football fan or wasn't you know when when i first met her and she's like why do quarterbacks always have these like quarterbacky names you know what i mean

like Trevor lawrence is a quarterback name met and i would say cade club nick brady cook and maybe bailey zappie that's just a wacky name you know it is the the frame is three to four Like Cade Clubnik, right? Three. Trevor Lawrence, four. Bailey, Zappy, four. It's a lot of last names as first names, too, which is maybe just more of like a southern white thing,

which is also a lot of quarterbacks. Yes, that's also very accurate. And then you get the leader, Gino Smith, three syllables as well. Oh, there we go. I'm into it. I'm into it, but I do think that it's funny because it's an interesting examination of where teams land with backup quarterbacks. We have three guys who occupy three different roles.

We know what Bailey Zappy is from his time with the Patriots and also that weird stint with the Browns, right? You saw the peak and the potential of it and you kind of know who he is at this point. Brady Cook was, you know, God bless his heart. He was put in a bad situation last year and he was largely awful. And then you have Kade Klubnick, the unknown,

the former, you know, highly touted recruit coming out of college. What do we have in him? So there's some things to explore here, all with the safety and security of knowing none of them have to compete for the starting job. So why not let it be an open competition, let the chips fall where they may. And GEO is nothing if not durable,

but you're an injury away from your season being over, not being competitive on a week-to-week basis. I like the idea of bringing in a Russell-Wilson type figure, which there was conversation about, and maybe that'll still happen, and that the Russell-Wilson type figure is number two. Cade Club is number three, and you probably don't need the other two guys.

You put one on the practice squad or something like that. I didn't want to get past this show without mentioning, though, you're wearing a very special hat today and there's a reason for that Paris Campbell has retired from the NFL and what is that how does your hat reflect that?

Paris Campbell I have known since he was in eighth grade because we both went to the same high school St. Vincent's the same area which is the hat that I'm wearing. Most of you listening will know it as LeBron's school and accurately so

high atop of Hill and Akron is where it resides and I wish Paris the best. He's somebody that, you know, I was leaving St. V to go to college and he was coming in. He and Dante Booker were the two big standout names in that class. They won a couple of state titles. I was proud to go watch them, you know, finish off what we had kind of started there back then and then reach the NFL and do everything that he's done since then.

You know, his career largely can be described as one hampered by injuries. You know, he made the Super Bowl with the Eagles. Was really happy to catch up with him, you know, an opening night at that time. It was a very cool reunion of Akron individuals, you know. It was nice to see him then. And I'm glad that he's able to complete his career and walk away on his own terms and enter the next phase of his life. So congratulations on a successful career, Paris, and enjoy retirement and whatever lies ahead. Rare that you see an NFL player, who was not small, six feet, 208.

You know, he kind of had a slender build. I thought on the field, look like, you know, a speed guy. But just looks small next to Shuck. Well, so he was a running back in high school. and then they realized he was getting too tall to play running back in college. And Urban Meyer moved into receiver, and the rest is history. And I'm always thinking of our friend Chris Wesleyan and his takes. And I remember we were getting excited.

He really loved what Paris Campbell showed. It's funny what you remember in the 2019 Paris Campbell rookie preseason. So going back, yeah, happy trails to Paris Campbell. Let's go to Mike Vrable, who was at the podium for his first normal. press conference of the offseason, mostly just handling the OTAs and having some nuggets, like he called Caleb Lomu, one of their most coachable players that they've ever had. He really likes Caleb Lomu. They're using him at right and left tackle, but right tackle to start OTAs,

including with the first team sometimes with Morgan Moses. So I think he's going to get a chance to play right away. But interesting, they're cross-training him there. Christian Gonzalez is not there. he is about due for a new contract. So that just could be something to keep an eye on if he decides to skip any mandatory work, but not a big deal. A lot of people are skipping voluntary work.

And then Vrable was asked about his family, about everything that happened. He says, to quote him, I love Jen, talking about his wife. I love my sons. We're in a good place. It's been a good work-life balance this off season. Here is him addressing a little more. of what this offseason has been like. Do you anticipate having to miss football activities again for the rest of the spring?

I mean, I can only tell you I'm going to be there today. I can't tell you anything other than I'm going to be out there today in full force. And I mean that because, you know, who knows what's going to come up. I'm not even, you know, anything could happen. And so I'm going to focus on today. But in the excitement that we've had and that we've built so far. And the conditioning that we've tried to incorporate into our practices, and the weightlifting and all the things that are critical.

Yeah, I think we're now three, four weeks removed from like the latest photo being dropped or the schedule release when they're making fun of Rabel. The story has calmed down. I think the plan here is for Vrable to just go back to normal. We'll see if it all stays normal. But I think it's moving forward in terms of Mike Rable. I'd rather get your thoughts shook on one of the more unfortunate questions and back-and-force that I've seen in a press conference setting in a while.

did not involve Mike Brable. It involved Drake Me. Follow up, what you're rude question? Are you thicker with two Cs? Is that the way you're supposed to say it? It's kind of like the hip thing. Say it one time? Do you thicker with two Cs?

Is that how it was supposed to be? I think that's paused if that's anything. I think that's not the way to put it. But you better, do you feel condition as far as another year of experience and just your body getting it ready for this? Sometimes it's best to leave the slang. out of the press conference, my friend. You could have just said, hey, you put on,

it looked like you bulked up a little bit. Is that for durability? You didn't need to go with the thick with two Cs. I mean, you could have been, you could have gone as far as thicker than a bowl of oatmeal. Like, we don't need any of that. Just keep it straightforward here.

You don't need to use the word thick. Just say, oh, like, what's your workout routine bit? Or if you even go on to get slightly weird, look like you put on some muscle. Like, what was the thinking? Beyond that. I did get a second angle of that question wanted to make sure

it was what I thought. And it was like an older guy. I just figured. I was like, who is asking this question? Hello, fellow youths. Also, you rarely see Drake may act like a 23-year-old. He is 23, right?

What a career this kid is going to have. But he actually kind of broke character. He's always so serious and not giving the media anything. And he just started laughing. And he was, his answer was just like, that, that's a pause. I was like, I don't know if that's youth or just the way he ties. He's just like, that's a pause.

I thought that was like in the 2010s. I didn't know the pause was still around, but what were all with it? That is, that is awesome. And Drake Bate does look a little bigger. If you just, just look at the throws that he was making. Fun to see all these teams out there in OTAs, including the guys that were hurt late last year. maybe I shouldn't be surprised with injury recoveries anymore,

but there is video of Daniel Jones out at practice. There was video of Patrick Mahomes out at practice with a brace on. Wasn't moving amazing, but he was doing drops and moving. I thought that was interesting. But the fact that Daniel Jones, only six months removed from a torn Achilles, I saw out there kind of taking reps. I mean, he's not taking team reps. He's just standing there kind of throwing passes.

But he's out there. six months removed from a torn Achilles makes you think maybe this Colts optimism that he could be ready as early as week one is not that crazy when you do the timeline. Okay, so I don't like the idea of rushing a guy back from any significant injury

just because the danger that exists within that, right? And pinning your season's hopes on that also is a treacherous, those are treacherous waters to wait into. I also don't really feel, I want to know like where, how are we getting to the point where this is even possible? Like this is an injury. They've changed the procedure. I read all about it. Stephen Holder on ESPN.com wrote about it.

And, you know, in the current way that they do it, if they can get past the three month mark, the incision is not as big, the inflammation is less. And some doctors feel like, hey, if Tatum can get back on the field in nine or ten months, quarterbacks aren't making those explosive side-to-side movement as much. It's not as crazy for a quarterback to do it. And Jason Tatum stands as the example of that you can come back fully healthy and get it done, save for game seven against the Sixers. But look, I also point to Kirk Cousins, who was much older when he suffered his Achilles injury, but he even admitted after his first year in Atlanta that he didn't feel right.

He didn't really feel right until last year, and at that point he'd already lost his job. So temper your optimism a little bit, but it is nice to see him on the field. But anybody likes, we all like seeing a guy on the field as opposed on the sideline in shorts watching his team practice. We just do. It's great to see. Jones spoke with reporters on Wednesday. He said he absolutely expects to be ready for week one. So, you know, hold fire on the Riley Leonard versus Anthony Richardson think pieces because they are sharing first team reps in terms of the team drills.

Richardson, by the way, looks cut up. Like, he's always been an impressive, you know, looking, but he looks like he was like he got angry in the. the gym this off season. And we'll see. Maybe we'll see an exciting Anthony Richardson. You bring up basketball before we say goodbye. Those were 13 things we learned from OTAs this week. We got rankings to wrap up the week. No news. You attended, let's be honest, a local massacre with your basketball team over the weekend. Oh, you're putting on sunglasses. And I wasn't going to bring it up at all, but you brought it up before the show. And you called the New York Knickerbock. fans, the most classless bunch of fans you've ever seen.

Speak on it. Sunglasses to enter witness protection because my team did get slaughtered. It ran out of gas really in the second half of game three, and they were playing at two different speeds. All the credit the world to the Knicks. The Knicks did everything they should have done. They were on fire. They earned that.

They were the better team in this series. They earned their trip to the finals. This has nothing to do with basketball. It has everything to do with the fact that their fans don't know how to win with class because they haven't wanted anything of substance in 50 years. So I'm going to take these off and just own this. I can't tell you how many times I'm not somebody that gets into trash talking arguments

or anything like that but I can't tell you how many times I was confronted by Knicks fans after the game with trash talk somebody telling me to go home I turn I am home I'm in Cleveland this is where I live

you go home you're in my home it got to the point where after a while I was just like oh my God you are so obnoxious please leave my city get out of here you're ruining the experience here

I you know good luck good luck but this is a fan base that they have a reputation for a reason and I got a firsthand experience of how low class they were. So hopefully if they win something, they'll learn how to win with some class. Now, I like to do a little trash talk.

That's part of the fun. If you're in an away stadium, yeah, just enjoy it. There's no need to. You can talk a little bit of trash. I've done with plenty of fans, but there's a level of respect that the Knicks fans left at home. So that's my issue with that.

How about a Cleveland fan saying they haven't won anything in so long? Hey, last championship was, what, 54 years ago for them or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

10 years ago here. You got yours because of a man from St. Vincent, St. Mary's, just like yourself, just like Paris Campbell. Let's hit that music. Let's get out of here. Not the last time you'll hear from us. This week, however, we are continuing our NFL daily 32 series. So we're going through, I find this really fun.

All the different positions, kind of a snapshot, where the NFL is at, we will be back on Friday ranking the running backs. Top 32. We'll see if a Cleveland Brown makes it, I think, one will. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human.