NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 1st Annual Coaches Hot Seat Bracket

Episode Date: August 23, 2018

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler & Chris Wesseling - discuss the latest news from around the league, including the competition committee’s call on the helmet rule (5:00), Jimmy Smith suspended, AJ McCarron is still alive (18:42), plus Hue Jackson and Dez Bryant’s meeting on Hard Knocks (20:00). The heroes welcome in Dave Dave Dameshek to the show, where he reveals his top five best meats (26:00), plus the first annual hot buttz bracket (35:00).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast knows all about hot butts. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast presented by New Era. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined in a room filled with Heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. What's up? How's everybody?

Greg and I are nervous. We don't know who's supposed to talk after Wes says what he just said. The show's off to a very best start. Make sound effect like, oh, I'm just a little on edge here because of the sound drop there because of the theme of this show that we're talking about men in their jobs and their butts. This is the first ever coming up later today. The first ever hot butts bracket as we look forward. Did we get that hot butts drop?

Folding? Wait for it. There it is. There it is, unfortunately back in our lives. There it is. What is the hot butts bracket? Well, we're going to get to it, but it is a breakdown of where the NFL stands

in terms of head coaches and job security as we enter 2018. It's basically like a 30-minute reason for Dan to laugh at the joke, Hot Butts. Very well said. One of those things that just doesn't get old for me. What can I tell you? I just like the term hot butts.

So, yeah, we're going to go through every coach. We're not, and it's just very, I want to make this clear, and anybody listening, that this is not, we're not picking on people or making light. I know, Greg, this makes you very sensitive as you're working your way up in NFL network. We're not making light of anyone's job security or lack thereof. It's just more a little housekeeping. That is part of the business. Every January, six or seven guys lose their jobs. We're just going to kind of handicap in a way.

And that's a disclaimer that opens the door to allow us to have that conversation. What kind of, yeah, what kind of disclaimer? Changes could be coming in the NFL head coaching. We're just looking. It's just an overview of the landscape. That's what we do. I mean, what are we here for? We're completists.

Yes, of course, the fair. Thank you to everyone. You know, every once in a while, every few months, something happens in your Twitter feed where your mentions truly blow up. Kai forbath working out with the New York Jets that is on the short list for me all time completely flooded and I have to think this has got to be on Kai's radar at this point

Was he on Twitter? Is he getting I don't know that's a good question Let me take a look while you guys continue to discuss If Kai is also getting added in that case It's probably there's no doubt about it He is and he has a blue checkmark by the way 30.2,000 followers He is only following 10099 people

his own. Okay, so I'll have to track if I get a follow out of this because we are now linked forever on the internet. Yes, I'm tracking this very closely. Hasn't tweeted in eight months, so it might not be on top of his mentions. He's got some free time right now. He's working out with the Jets. The Jets also signed that Seahawks kicker that just got cut.

Jason Myers, who used to be the Jaguars kicker for a lot of years. There you go. And the Jets released Cairo Santos. I'm all over this kicker situation. I don't know why I'm telling you this news. You, of course, know all about this. So we'll find out of Kai's Kai. with gang green in the next few days, I figure.

And we also got to do some news. We also have a special guest. We haven't had in Studio 66. There's a little hint in a while. But let's get to it. Let's do some news. Two world wars by doing jumping jacks, push-ups and sit-ups. Two world wars.

Bob Wiley, the offensive line coach of the Cleveland Browns, is that from the latest episode of Hard Knocks, which we'll get to in a. bit Bob Wiley on your radar a little bit, Mark, I know you get worried about how the Browns or how they're presented to society and maybe Wiley not the greatest representative? No, I think he didn't get on my radar that way.

I was so suspicious about this show going in and that I am happily pleased with where we are and I need to take my lumps occasionally too. But Bob Wiley, I think Greg nailed it. If for anyone that's killing him, I think tons of people seem to love the guy. So, you know. Yeah, he has a white mom.

Maserati. He's a like a 60 to 65 year old man, maybe 55 to 60, let's say. Not a raw food is separate. Very heavy set gentleman. And he drives a white Maserati. It's one of the, all time. I had a fourth grade teacher. Mrs. McGrath fell ill. She missed the entire back half of fourth grade. This guy, Mr. Fruman took over. Fruman kind of was a Bob Wiley type. And, and he drove a Red Camaro. This sounds like a Chuck Pagano, Bruce Ariens situation unfolding in your fourth grade classroom.

Our entire second half of fourth grade was recess the entire time, and everyone was, it was a setback educationally that was still recovering. Sounds like my household. I've known a lot of Bob Wiley's in my lifetime. They have stories, and you just sit there and listen to them. All right, let's start with news about the NFL competition committee. Yes, it's not just yackers like us that are all fired up and, and, wondering about what's going to happen with the new helmet rule and how it's going to affect

the 2018 season and beyond. This is something that internally is on the radar with players and coaches and people that run the game. And the NFL competition committee met on Wednesday by conference call to discuss the new use of the helmet rule through the first two weeks of the preseason. The committee reviewed feedback from players, coaches, game officials, and the decision was made that there will be no changes to the rule as approved by clubs this spring, which includes no additional use of instant replay.

The committee also determined that inadvertent or incidental contact with the helmet or face mask is not a foul. And Greg, I'll start with you on this one. That one, again, that's right on my radar right there, that how do you really enforce that in real time? But we are moving forward with this rule. Yeah, and I think there's going to be growing pains. It's only been called about on average one and a half times per game. so this is not something that's been like it's been 53 times yeah 51 i thought it was not something that's it's been actually in total volume that overwhelming and i thought it was really interesting to hear

what bill belichick said about it when they asked when they when they basically tried to make him say it's a confusing rule because no one has taken on the NFL more about bad rules over the last two decades than bill belichick and he said it's not a big change for us i think we understand it our team looked at probably 25 plays, et cetera, and he basically said, we don't teach our players to coach, I mean, to hit with their helmet down. We teach them to tackle with their helmet up. So there's absolutely no change when it comes to our team. It seems fairly clear to me.

And that's all good. And I believe Belchick, no one knows the game better than him. But Wes, can't you just as easily see? Because Belchick, yes, has been on the radar with officials and getting in people's face at the end of games. He's not above expressing. anger. What if it costs him a game on Sunday night? Is he still going to have the same attitude?

Because some of these rules, yes, the rule is clear, but when it's put into action, that's where it gets a little hard to really officiate. There will be controversy. I don't think there's any doubt about that. There's going, and throughout the season, all of these, every Monday morning, Monday morning is an officiating controversy. So, of course, this rule will be a part of it. But I applaud the NFL by sticking through something that's necessary, but not popular.

and I've always wondered for the past 20, 30 years watching this game why players are allowed to leave with their helmets. It's bad habits from helmets becoming so technologically great that you feel indestructible in them. You pick up these bad habits, but coaches and Pete Carroll's one, Bill Belichick's another, should have been teaching this all along how to correctly tackle. Two good things.

Number one, like we asked on the last show, my request was that the NFL just view it that there is an optical side to this where it's, fire for right or wrong reasons with reporters and fans. And they did. I think they're going to attempt, and this probably won't be the last time to circle around review where they are. But Deadspin had this great post where they put up every one of, I think, of the 51 instances of a penalty. And I was laser focused on the five or six that were egregiously confusing to the visual eye. But a vast majority of them remove what looked to be unnecessary, violent

helmet to helmet hits and they do have to remove that because a whole other side if you don't address that issue that does that said there are still five or six that I think are going to get much more attention because this is just how it works than the ones called correctly it penalizes them and they're and you can you can you said it removes them it's not going to remove them in my opinion because this game moves so fast that these hits are going to continue to happen over time over I think over I think over over the next few years the thing is if you broke down all the holding calls all the every other example There's going to be five to ten bad ones of those. It's human error.

It's an impossible sport to ref. It's going to take time for the refs to learn how to call this, too. They have to learn as well. And so it's like the problem is for the first, it's going to take four weeks or four months or four years. Three years, they think. It's going to take time. That's going to have growing pains.

Let's move on to the preseason spotlight presented by New Era. Lund, extending to the right. And it's intercepting. Levine with the pickoff. The final game of week two of the preseason, the Colts and Ravens. I almost said the Hoosier Dome. Showing my age over there. Lucas Oil Stadium is what I want to say.

And Andrew Luck, Mr. Sessler, still knocking the rust off. At least that's what you hope from a Colts fan perspective. Six of 13, 50 yards through a bad interception in the red zone, took, got hit hard by Terrell Suggs on a sack. generally look like a guy that is not completely ready for week one. Yes, although I will say I read about this game before I was able to watch it, and it sounded like there was all this concern around Andrew Luck and couched in between some of these, I think, excusable and understandable, kind of shaking off the rust scenarios for Andrew Luck at this point,

coming back after being gone so long, was one drive where I thought he stepped up and made an incredible throw to Jack Doyle. He then hit Josh Ferguson, and then Chester Rogers. It was a field goal drive. It wasn't a super flashy moment for the cults. 57-yard field goal drop, so it wasn't even like a real deep drive. But in those three plays in a row, I saw the Andrew Luck that I've seen before. And for me, I have to put that next to what was a really shaky interception.

That's not an Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck throws interceptions. We know that. That's one of his characteristics. But that one was unusual for him. And to me, I don't think that happens in week four. I think we're getting past the part where we're concerned about his arm. And for me, the question with Andrew Luck,

is he had this playing style that was kind of a daring do, take some hits, scramble playing style, and it's been hammered into him by the Colts over the last couple of years. You've got to change your playing style. We don't want you taking as many chances, as many risks, and that's not natural to him. So he's playing a little bit unnaturally. That's kind of what I want to watch. Well, and his offensive tackles are awful. It's like it's shocking how that wasn't just the takeaway from the game,

that both La Raven Clark, who's like a backup to Costanzo, they're just trying to figure out he was getting destroyed and then they're playing Braden Smith in this game at right tackle who was a guy they drafted to be a guard he's also like they're just banged up on the offensive line and like yeah they're going to be terrible if they're not healthy on the offensive line I mean the suck sack is the kind of thing that can throw some quarterbacks out of the loop for 10 weeks like he's lucky you didn't get hurt on you said you're shocking that it wasn't a takeaway but it was you just said it right I just mean that like I wasn't luck missed two throws but watching that game I wasn't concerned about luck like yeah he they're going to struggle on I offense, especially with you, especially with the running game has all sorts of problems right now. Well, they featured like Kristen Michael for 30 minutes. I wouldn't completely look past Andrew Locke being a little off in this game just because of the line play. I get what you're saying, obviously. To me, him being off, though, was like two plays. It's really hard on these preseason games and we do it.

It's, is if two games, you know, you throw 11 passes. If two go a little differently, then you feel a lot different. And on the other side, the Ravens, Wes, are. a fun team to watch in the preseason. I don't say that a lot, because I do not enjoy the preseason. I cannot wait. You're over it. For real week one.

But at least you have three quarterbacks where there's something to watch. So you would get four quarters. And what did you take away from the three QBs on the Baltimore side? What I took away was Lamar Jackson is a long way from pushing Joe Flacco. And if Joe Flacco got injured, it would not surprise me if they immediately turned to RG3 as a starter instead of Lamar Jackson. who does not look ready to run an NFL offense to me. So that's one thing that's changed your mind in the preseason

because you thought RG3 had very little chance to make this team. I did, but I also like all the people who told me that Lamar Jackson was a top 10 pick in the draft look wrong to me. It's an extremely small sample size, but he looks like he's got a pop gun arm, a weird throwing motion, and I'm not impressed with his passing or his decision making it all. He looks like a guy who's a year away from being a year away. The accuracy was poor in the game. Even when he had a clean pocket,

He's exciting when he runs, but he also has taken some shots, and I think that even is something that the Ravens, they definitely took note of, and they say, you got to clean that up too. Yeah, that fumble that got that overturned, correctly overturned still. It's the kind of play where you're looking at a guy

who's going to get hurt if he keeps doing that. I mean, then he's suddenly fair game. I thought one other takeaway from the Raven side, because we've been hearing about it all through camp, John Brown having this, you know, kind of bounce back. It's been a while with John Brown. He made a beautiful touchdown catch. And that was not an easy catch to meet off of that Joe Flacco pass.

And with Lamar Jackson, this is a continuation of what they've been talking about since Mike Garifolo said it in the first couple days of camp, that you'll see a great play that makes everyone gasp. But then you'll see two passes that look like, where are you looking at and where are you throwing that ball? He's 40% right now in terms of completions in the preseason in the three games. It just looks a little overwhelmed. It's a different Ravens team, though.

I'm more excited to watch them, at least for than the last couple years. Kenneth Dixon might be their best running. Kenneth Dixon looks good. Hayden Hearst is going to be a huge part of that offense as the rookie tight end. And then you throw in John Brown and Crabtree, it's like, all right, I'll at least what, I'll take different with the Ravens. They have not been watchable in a while. Give me different.

In that ASC, they feel like they're a playoff. They're a wildcardi. Are you enjoying yourself in the Ravens Nest? I'm taking them to the playoffs. I think I'm going to take them to win the division over Checks Steelers just to annoy Shaq. Damn. Stop ruining my goal. How will Sheck sleep at night?

In other Ravens news, and maybe this deflates you just a little bit. Sorry to bring up to a slate. I mean, that's not a team I'm ever going to root for. The Ravens will be without their number one quarterback for the beginning of the season. Jimmy Smith suspended the first four games of the regular season without pay for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy. League spokesman announced Tuesday. Smith was accountable in comments after the suspension came down. This is also same Jimmy Smith, who I believe.

I believe was suspended the first four games up last year. Correct. As well. So this is something, maybe a two-strike scenario for a talented quarterback. Well, he's behind Joe Flacco, the highest paid player on the team in cap number and base salary. So that's how important he is to their team. And three of the last four years, he's ended the season injured, and their defense has collapsed. He had a Liz Frank, Liz Frank foot fracture and ankle sprained and Achilles tear.

And he's a number one cornerback when he's health. and their defense has not they have more depth this year but their defense has not been able to overcome his absences it's funny how how news stories are covered depending on when they happen if this happened during the gregg hardy and ray rice time like we would have been talking this is a domestic violence um suspension that's happening with jimmy smith there were like the rave like it's just a story that hasn't been really talked about too much at all it's a It's a major player. It's an organization who's dealt with this before,

and they were very careful in the wording of the suspension of what they've done to try to handle the situation. But I'm almost a little surprised that they're keeping any player that had a domestic violence issue. This was to be totally full disclosure. He was not charged, right? Right. There's a lot to get into, and you're right. It's totally fair that it's worth knowing the details. And it is worth knowing that they are really deep at the position.

Here's a really random staff. Brandon Carr has the longest starting streak of any defensive player in the entire NFL by two seasons. How about Brandon Carr? And this will keep it going. He probably wouldn't have started otherwise, but now he will. Meanwhile, on the throne of slees, Kenny Britt will not be playing at Gillette Stadium this year, at least for the Patriots. The team decided to cut the veteran loose. They save a little over a million dollars, making the move.

Britt has been battling a hamstring issue. Really, Greg, had a window of opportunity here with the Patriots, with Julian Edelman, suspended for the first four games and some, I guess, unrest at that position. But he couldn't get on the field, and now he's going home. It shows you how worthless OTA, like, takeaways are because the OTA takeaways in New England were like, Jordan Matthews and Kenny Britt, those are the two locks out of this crazy group. Those are the leaders in the clubhouse, and neither one of them. even made it to September.

I mean, we spend two months embroiled an OTA takeaway, so that's disheartening. But on top of that, we'll just shut it down next to man. I don't know. I mean, the minute that they plucked up Kenny Britt, I just thought to myself, this is getting a little cute because this does not feel like a typical Patriots type player. And it was always, he's going to have an expanded role. And, you know, listen, he's going to have a chance at real snaps come September. And then here we are, the minute September crawls this close.

and he's healthy again, you're out because they've come to the same conclusion that the team before and the team before came to. In other news, AJ McCarran lives, as written by Mark Sessler on NFL.com. McCarran is dealing with a dash of shoulder sorenness, not the broken clavicle that was initially reported

after his preseason game this past weekend. The timetable initially was he could be gone for the year. and now he's practicing in a limited capacity for the bills. What does that mean, Chris Wesley? If you're getting your national news from other writers instead of Greg, you know, change it up because... Whoa! You're blowing it. Would that include the person who wrote the article here?

I'm just saying people reading this situation around the country as in now that A.J. McCarran is injured or was injured, this is where Josh Allen has to step up. A.J. McCarran was already falling to third in this race. He went three and out in four straight series during this game the other night. Josh Allen came in and scored three times. Josh Allen was already bypassing A.J. McCarron, and the talent differential is just too great to pass up. Well, I'd say one thing. I cannot stand at this point. I cannot stand three quarterback rooms where they're all kind of volleying around with each other. You've wasted enough time with this.

You're running out of time. If it's going to be Josh Allen and everything points to that, to get him starting reps in every single practice, you cannot wait until the week before week one and throw him out there because he's going to get exposed. You've got to build your offense around this. I mean, whether McCarran or not, this probably helped reduce the confusion there.

But give me a break with Nathan Peterman unless you think it's your guy. I don't want to hear anything more about splitting reps. You've got to figure it out because otherwise you're going four and 12. We should mention, I think since we last podcasted, that they announced Josh Allen is the starter for the third preseason. in game and so the all important third that's right they always got the dress rehearsal like drink

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Na-na-na-na-na-na. Episode three of Hard Knocks, maybe not as juicy as the first two Eps, but a solid ep and one that's centered upon Des Bryant visiting the Brown's facility in Baria. No, no, no, no, Berea. Lindsay, correct? It's Berea. Thank you. So, she knows. Anyway, so that was kind of like the big hook I thought of the episode.

and it was an interesting look at the situation because Des Bryant and you guys let me know if you disagree looked very invested in the idea of playing with the Cleveland Browns. This was not a play for the cameras or publicity or just to remind other general managers that he is Des and he exists. No, he basically introduced himself to every person in the building was super engaged in this conversation that we saw with Hugh Jackson explaining where he's at.

It's all about the realness, Greg. He stressed multiple times. And I think the other thing that's going to be remembered about this episode was Hugh Jackson, who seems smitten by Des Bryant, even though they did not agree to terms by the end of the visit. He ended his, what I can almost call a pitch to Des with this comment. 21 days, baby, Pitchburg Steelers, right here at home, in front of the dog found. It would be unbelievable. This will be the greatest turnaround in sports history.

history. So we'll start there. Is that going to happen? Mark? Greatest? Well, I mean, you have less if you're 0 and 16 and you go even 9 and 7, that's an incredible turnaround compared to if you were 5 and 11 and you need to finish 15 and 1 for equal amount of games. So in that math is incorrect already. But I don't know. I think the one thing with Hugh Jackson, coming out of the first episode, I just thought this is going to be a really rough four weeks for him after this first episode. What's going to happen next? And I'm not, I don't, I think he has a long way to go in general to keep this job over the course of the, of the year. But Hugh Jackson in this episode, I thought, came across better than he hasn't any of the others. I thought he did, he did a good job with Des Bryant.

But I do question, and Dan, you asked me this last night, like, why doesn't Hugh Jackson, if he really wanted this player, have the ability to say, just get it done whatever it takes? Like, I don't think he really... Not exactly what I said. I was just curious. I was asking two years ago before 1 and 31, if he would have had this way in the building to get Des signed if he wanted him, have things changed since then. I think their analytics guy did not seem high on Dez. There's probably a whole different conversation happening with John Dorsey. As a Brown's fan and not from an analyst side,

I kind of just say, you have a ton of cap room. Go for it. Why not? Like, just find out. I think a lot of people are taking it for granted that Des would have signed for whatever the Brown's offer, too. the Browns publicly quartered him and basically pressured in to come into this to do this visit. And I'm not sure if he would have done it without that pressuring.

I'm not sure if he would have signed on the dotted line just in. I think he wants more than they're offering. That's the issue. Do we know there's an offer? Well, no, but the money, I think, is not where they're close at all. I don't know. I tend to think there hasn't been any offer because if there was, then that gets reported because Des Bryant's side sees that as a thing to put out there.

There was a report that he was looking for approve of deal as well, which is short term, much I think the Browns would be cool with, if they have a ton of cap room. That's what makes sense, I thought. The Hugh remark about the greatest comeback ever, it reminded me of his run in Oakland when he was just, he's just kind of, you know, first of all, this is a closed door meeting, you know, he's not thinking about hard knocks cameras. He just talk in every second of every day. He's not thinking about hard knocks cameras, I don't think.

He's also the guy that also said the Carson Palmer trade to Oakland was the greatest trade in football history. I don't know if you remember that. No, he gets excited. I don't. Look, he's hyperbole, and you have to wonder a lot of times with these coordinators, is there like a Peter principle at play where you were a maverick, ingenious coordinator, and you made your reputation of that.

Then you've become a head coach. It's a completely different job, and the growing pains there can be really rough. And Hugh Jackson has, his reputation has taken a hit as much as anyone I've seen in the NFL ever, I think, over the course of 700 days outside of someone breaking the law, which is not done. job. It's incredible. Right, but here's the one thing. Wait, let's stick a pin in. Hold on, though. One thing is I hear this all the time. I hear this all the time. The one thing I think they may have, may have walked into, not out of wisdom, but they might have, because I think if you fired Hugh Jackson, it would have been the third coach they fired in five seasons, that

ownership group. You don't at that time have Tyrod Taylor. You don't have Baker Mayfield. You don't have anything. And what coach is going to go to Cleveland? I think they have a better chance to, like the Bears did post John Fox, recruit a better coach after this. year's experience with this roster. That's why I don't want to kill him for that and say you just should have swept him out and hired the eighth best, 10th best candidate. Stick a pin in this conversation because Hugh is going to come up in a little bit. Before we do get to that, though, let's welcome in a surprise guest to the around the NFL

podcast here. I mean, this podcast probably doesn't even exist without this man. Let's be honest. He is the great host of the Dave Damashik football program. I heard Rosenthal. And now let's set the stage here. How are you doing, Dave? I'm fine.

And may I say something that might surprise Greg Rosenthal, who tried to take a shot at the Steelers, the presumed division championship that's headed their way, I'm with you on the Ravens. They're going to be good. I do think Jimmy Smith is the most unheralded, really good cover corner in the NFL, and that's a major absence.

But that's... Oh, you're playing head games with your Steelers. No, I've been down. You told me to go in on the Browns? No, I've heard this. I think they might win. I think the Browns win in week one in Cleveland. How about that?

Well, I'll tell you what. You told me the same exact thing at this time last year. I told you I was nervous about this one. I'm outright predicting it. I'm predicting it outright this year. I'll hold you that. I love when you guys chop up the AFC North. All right.

So Shecks here because on Monday's show I acknowledge, not even admitted because that seems to indicate shame or something, that I had never had duck before, which led to this comment. from Greg. I have never had duck. I can honestly say that. It's easy.

Calm down. You're a meat lover. You're missing out in life. Maybe the number one meat of all the meats. That's not, come on. It's up there. Maybe the number one.

All right. So Greg says duck is the number one meat. I walked it back with it like five seconds, by the way. I was like, okay, it's up there. So I thought I was going to put together of power rankings of top meats. But I said, no, I'm not qualified for that.

But the man that's qualified for anything list food related is Dave Damashek. So, Shek, without further ado, can you give us – or first of all, your general takeaways on Greg's commentary. Well, I mean, obviously Greg reached there a little bit. Maybe he was trying to – maybe he was being a little pretentious there. Maybe it was a hot take in the world of food. Whatever his intent there, it's laughable. It's like duck – most people, including my introduction, the duck, is at cheap Chinese food restaurant. So I don't need to hear pretentious.

It was within the context of, what was it, duck confi? Duck confi? Yeah. So that's not Chinese food. No, that's fair. I'm trying to change history. No, listen, the measure that I would apply here, if I may, is I've asked the question before. Let's be rough about it here.

You get to eat the flesh of one beast for the rest of your days to the exclusion of all others. What's the one beast you're going to choose? choose no one not Greg Rosenthal not anyone else would ever choose duck that's fair that's yeah I'm going that's absolutely you're going with you're going with a so a bit of a contrary are you going to respect I I think if I had I have not eaten meat since like 1997 but right now if I had to I would eat like a plate of bacon before I you know what that is that's my hot take on on this right let's do it's five to one okay okay all right let's start with Dave Damshack's top five meats starting with number five

At number five, I'm going with turkey. I don't understand. It's, uh, it's, it's, uh, it's, awfully generous. It, you think so. That wouldn't even be in my top 20. Do you have your five? It's a foul tasting foul. Do you have your five listed out there?

It's awfully easy to take down other people. Throw ostrich in there over turkey. Yeah, what are you doing? What are you doing? Coyle, I mean, come on. Turkey is bland by nature. First of all, what I don't want in food is blandness. You ever go to, you ever go to a ballpark or an amusement?

park and get one of them nice mutton chops carried around that's delicious that's like the county fair that's rare a meat's a lamb deep fry your bird and by the way i've said it before i'll say it again i called for three years ago with my new year's resolution because i am not selfish like everybody else i make new year's resolutions for all of society i called for an end to the to the prejudice against delicious stuffing only given to us once a year i said i wanted added to every menu in the land let's stay on topic Number four. At number four, it's chicken. You know what?

It's utilitarian, and I feel like putting it at number four outside the winter circle. It doesn't even make the stand. But it is delicious. I mean, it's there for us day in, day out. It deserves a lot more respect that I'm giving it here. However, tough decisions had to be made. A versatile beast. I'm fine with this.

And I think my next frontier in cooking is. Fried chicken. I'm going to become a fried chicken guy. That's exciting. Number three. Righteous endeavor. At number three, I'm going to go here with fish. Now, I will say it's controversy, and I'm the first one to say that it is wildly unfair to go with all the creatures of the sea.

Right. Two thirds of the big blue marble. Yeah, I get all those. Most of which you have eaten in our newsroom. It's a passion of mine to bring the. Smellies and blow up a corner of the newsroom. It's kept probably the most societies, you know, alive and making it to this point in human history, too, which is pretty important. Is that true?

I didn't know that. I think so. I mean, give a man to fish and something, something. Teach a man to fish and something something. Almost every city ever founded was founded near a body of water. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, Indianapolis is a noteworthy exception. I'm trying to think, Texas, right?

I mean, not. They don't call you to say Indianapolis is a notable. No, it's not a notable. No, I'm just saying cities that are not, I'm just trying to think of any city. No place for nothing. I'm trying to think of land-locked cities like Greece. Number two. And the hottest butt.

Number two. At number two, this is the tough call. This is not a hot take. I've given this a great deal of thought over the years. I'm going to go with cow here. Yes, it's delicious. I love steak. I love a New York strip.

I've enjoyed a New York strip with everybody seated in Studio 66, right? now. I also love a beef rib. I love an hamburger. Ribs. I mean, you're, come on. A versatile beast. If I'm holding myself to the standard that I laid out five minutes ago, though, I can't ever eat this beast again. And every other beast is going to be cast aside in favor of just one. I'm going swine. Wine is your number one. Think it through now. Pork ribs. Number one. Would you go with pork ribs over beef? I think most people would. It doesn't make it right, but I think that's better.

I like a pork tenderloin. Bacon, as you say, obviously. A chop? I mean, I'd be fine with either, but not as versatile. You're not going to have as many options for the rest of your life in different ways to do it. The best meat I've ever put in my mouth was a filet mignon done perfectly. And there's nothing pork can do to breach. Can we isolate Wes's quote there?

Yeah. Mark has never been less comfortable with it. No, no. There's a headshot and everything next to my rankings there. Yeah, swine number one. I hear you, Wes, of course. Yes, a delicious steak. I do more with pork than you can with.

Well, you also, I don't know what this is worth, but I'm going to point it out. You know what really makes a burger sing? Some bacon. I don't know. Does that add value? The burger can sing without bacon. I'll say one thing. So I have not eaten meat.

I just had a long time. But 22 years I did. No, so like my favorite. memories of eating them. It's great steak with fries, like a really, really well-done steak and fries. Lobster. Well done with ketchup.

Are we counting lobster in the fish world? You can count lobster, but let me just say this to you about that. I'll play contrarian on that one. Everybody holds up lobster as the pinnacle of food in restaurants. Oh, they have lob. Oh, two pounds. Oh, oh, oh, market. Oh, market price.

You know why lobster tastes good? It's a much, it is the most unjust thing that I can really out there think of. Like Matt Ryan is great because of Julio Jones. Move over Julio Jones. You're not the most slighted thing in society. Drawn butter is drawn butter. Dip anything in the drawn butter. That's delicious.

Why does lobster get the benefit from the delicious drawn butter? Just take a nice little roll and dip that in the drawn butter. Oh, dinner rolls, the greatest food of all time. We should charge, we should charge $70 per roll. That has really made me think. Jack, you've done it again. Would you mind sitting in for the rest of the show? I suppose.

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but it's always stayed in my life. I'll say that. It's very nice. All right. Here it is. It's time to get to it the first annual hot butt sprocket. Oh, yeah. And again, a disclaimer.

See? See, a disclaimer. Who is that poor soul? It's one of these men. One of the in our hands we hold. the bracket of all 32 NFL head coaches, and we've gone ahead and we, what do you love? I'm just thinking it's, we have 31 matchups to go here. And we're going, we seated it one to 16 on each side, each conference, and we're going to get

to all the matchups until we find the coach, and this is important, the distinction here, not most likely to be fired necessarily, but who has truly the hottest butt as we approach the 2018 season? Who's on the hot seat? Who has the hottest seed? Does that make sense, check? I got you. Okay, cool.

Just so everyone knows, let's give you the number one seeds because that's always when they do the whole drawings. Everyone's excited about who got the number one seeds. Hugh Jackson, of course, who we just talked about, coming off 116, got a one seed. Also, Dirk Cutter. The bucks. We've split it into AFC-N-F-C.

Right. And this is the part where CBS would take, like, two commercial breaks before telling you about the rest of the bracket. I'm glad you included cutter there because I feel like he's been flying under the radar a little bit. Not our radar. Is that right? Okay. Feels like a minor miracle. He's still the head coach in Tampa.

It is officially loco in my book. The dirt cutter is the head coach down there at this point. So we're going to go through the, we're going to go through each round and some of these are going to be no brainers. But some are going to be real debates. And one of the reasons why we're happy to have check here is if we didn't have check here, it just be four of us

and we'd be deadlocking like buffoons. And then what? We just have to end the show. The tournament shuts down. But now we have five people. So we will be able to break any tie. There will be no deadlocks. So let's start with the AFC bracket.

Should we go back and forth or just do each side? I think go down AFC. Okay. AFC first. 116. So it's Hugh Jackson, of course, against, yes, the great. Bill Belichick, peerless. No one could have a cooler butt than Bill Belich.

right check oh yeah i see is uh all get out and whereas you i mean people keep saying it and sometimes when things get repeated too much you just absorb them and then and and then you get come to a place where you ignore it but one and thirty one is not jive and i heard what you said sessler 10 minutes ago but what probably won't make the show i'm sure that will be cut out what has what has hugh jackson done in his entire career to earn the faith of The fact that he ascended to be a head coach and could survive going 1.31 is remarkable to me. I hear your larger point about what it might mean for the franchise. But as it is, Hugh Jackson as a head coach has done nothing.

It was not a merit-based retention. I think it was for completely different reasons. And you can kill him for that. Continuity. Okay. He made a good points. All right. So once upon a time, by the way, just show you how things change.

Bill Belchick was fired by the Browns. So he was probably a- Some things have not changed for a certain- fan bases, but yes. But he's been a 16 seed for decades now, 15 years, Greg. It's hard to imagine what he would have to do to get fired. It would not be football related, I feel like. It's amazing that his contract is even reported on.

I'd love to go through some different scenarios, and we don't have the time. His contract is even reported on differently. I've got this list of every quarterback signed blank extension through blank. Under Belichick, I just have signed undeclosed extension. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. And it's probably a lot more. But he's floating around the sea on like a highly expensive.

ocean vessel whenever he's not coaching. So guys making some. Nobody even knows when he's saying. Are you talking about that little boat? It's not like a, all right. I don't like the flip flops out in my family. He's a grown man running around in his flip flops. It's formal events.

It's an island. Hugh ends the losing streak. He moves on to the next round. His opponent, the 8-9 matchup, 8C. Doug Marone coming off on really nice season with the Jags. And he will face off against Bill O'Brien of the Texans. Chris Wesley, I'm going to start with you on this one. This one to me, I got Bill O'Brien's Cinderella story written all over,

and what do you think? This is one of the toughest breakdowns in the entire bracket. Both of them just signed extensions this offseason. O'Brien, for four more years through 2022. The Jaguars are set up more to succeed because their roster is stronger, and the Texans are set up more to collapse because they're like the Cowboys have always been where they have a handful of stars and no depth. CBS is putting this at 740 Eastern,

showing it to as much of the country as possible. These two men are best friends, going back 20 years. So the rivalry is just... I'm from the Bronx. I'm from New England. I like baloney. By the way, the Bill Belichick, as cool as his seat is, I will point to it again,

it is very strange in the history of high-end, legendary head coaches that his tree has, has bared so little fruit, the coaching tree that he has. The GMs are looking better. And O'Brien, you know, you've got to give O'Brien some credit. I think O'Brien is probably the best coach to come out of that situation. There's zero question about that. But if he flops this year, I would say Bill O'Brien's out.

I think Bill O'Brien is somebody to watch here. He's a headstrong guy. And there have been whispers for a couple of years about maybe some dissension between him and ownership, not so much the new GM, Brian Gain, Pearl River's own. who he essentially hired. Yeah. But I would say it wouldn't be a clash with gain, but if things go south on the Texans,

then they definitely could. They're a high-ceiling, low-floor team this year that O'Brien could get shown the door. I would vote that he would move on in this match. And one thing about these contracts, that actually is interesting to look at that stuff, but I think when you hit a point where the whole organization needs a total cleanse,

the owner pays that contract out. They don't worry about, oh, we should keep Bill O'Brien for two more years, years because he's making six million dollars or something who else who else sees o'brien is the guy here i'm with you on that's two i'll go with that's three for the sake of moving the show along as well i've got it as a coin flip but let's move on i would go marone because i can see the jags if i was going to create one of these two to really they went eight and twelve if they went four and twelve just like not the craziest thing that would ever happen or six and ten or something yeah i think if

they go eight and eight it's a wild disappointment all right check i'll tee you up on this one the four 13 matchup, Todd Bowles, entering his fourth year with the Jets, has not made the playoffs. And I don't, it's got to be a short list and they're unlikely to do it this year of guys that have ever survived four straight years without going to the playoffs once. He gets a matchup against Mike Tomlin, who's been in Pittsburgh forever. This team is once again a Super Bowl contender. This feels like a walk for Bowles, right? I think that Bulls certainly makes sense, given the, the Steelers ongoing ownership's

unwillingness to ever part ways with a head. coach however how is it going to sit with everybody if the the the the heralded trio of 7 26 and 84 finished 2018 again outside of the Super Bowl and therefore that trio never even gets as far as getting to the big game that is kind of a strike against mike tomlin and a big one i there's a certain amount of momentum already about that tomlin should move on well that happens again and the defense doesn't perform that's obviously a his Ballywick anyway. You think he got a generous seed here?

Yeah, his high seed is protecting him. Yeah, and Bowles, to me, could be a higher seed. He could be the two seed. Because to me, Bowles is gone if they don't have, like, eight wins. I just think they're going to make a change. Unless it's some sort of crazy, inspiring, like, great defensive performance, I think he's in trouble. I get boils down with the Tom-in-front to options,

because if the Steelers do not do this, if you're going to fire him, they have to have someone that they absolutely. love and who loves them back. Mike Munchack. Really? Done and done. Well, that's what people thought about Ken Wisenham last time. And then they hired Mike Tomlin, who they had no idea who he was.

So they went and found someone. Was Wisenhunt or? I mean, Wisenhunt, rather. Or Russ Grimm. It was down to those two. Wait, who's Mike Tomlin? What? He's got who?

They're just doing that by the Rooney rule. Oh, wait. He got the job. What? Who is he again? He is legend has, and he blew them away in his interview. Here's the 512 matchup. John Harbaugh, the Ravens.

He's been there forever. He won a super. Super Bowl there, but was hanging on, Greg, by the skin of his teeth after the shocking loss to Cincinnati, knocked him out of the playoffs last year. Sean McDermott of the Bills, he's our 12 seed, and McDermott would be safe, but the only thing that could hurt him here is if they really crater, we get hit with a two and 14 bomb. I think in the interest moving on, this is a walk for Harbaugh, but McDermott, to me, is as safe as anyone.

I think he actually, he is the rare coach that could, that could survive a two and 14 because they, you're giving this. to Harbaugh. Every good bracket needs a 12-5 upset, and to me, this is it. The bills have the worst roster in the league. They could easily crater, and Sean McDermott could be Vance Joseph before

you know. But they just... Also, John Harbaugh is too good of a coach. He's a top five NFL coach. You point to the issues and the whispers that Harbaugh was wasn't a whisper. The owner said he considered firing John Harbaugh. So he is, to me, among this entire list, one of the clearest coaches that if he doesn't make the playoffs,

he doesn't have a job next year. I think There's no, there's no scenario. I'll vote, you know. You wrote Harbaugh, obviously. Ozzie's out, and you want to, one, and two, if they have a down year and obviously they're going to turn things over to Lamar Jackson, it makes simplistic sense that you would want a QB who really knows how to bring the kid along, right? So you vote John Harbaugh. You vote. I vote John Harbaugh.

Wes. I vote McDermott goes on. Cessler. I vote McDermott, too. You could also say the bills would want to turn around and find someone to groom their young quarter. back as well. I mean, Harbaugh will get a job in five minutes if he gets fired. But I, you make very good points over on the kissing cousin's table. Honestly.

Slightly passionate. I, I, I, I know exactly what you're saying. I agree with you. I just think Harbaugh really. We don't think one of the best coaches in the league is getting fired. We also think as Shaq and Greg pointed out, the Ravens are doing well this year. He'll get hired in the division right away. That's how we're talking about.

He's a good head coach and he'll get hired soon, but you're talking about who's on the hot seat. I think he needs to win 10 games. That's a high bar. But I think inherent in this discussion is how we predict that teams are going to do this year. And I predict the Ravens are going to do well and the bills are going to do awful. Number two seed, Vance Joseph and number 15 seed John Gruden. Who could be safer than John Gruden who just signed a 10-year million, $100 million contract, all guaranteed Mark Sessler. I mean, to me, this feels like we're going to have to take some of these and breeze through.

I immediately would vote for Vance Joseph in this situation. Yeah, this is no context. Go to Marvin Lewis. Okay. Next up. It transcends football. They're keeping Gruden so that they can move. move to Vegas.

Exactly. There were murmurs that Vance Joseph would be a one-and-done guy, but Elway wants to see that through. But he will not survive another bad year, I think. Let's move on. 7-10. Ooh, Marvin Lewis, who has been in Cincinnati since 2003. That checks out.

My God. And has never one of playoff game? That checks out. Oh, and 7. Okay. And the number 10 seed, a new coach. Our first new coach, and these ones are tough. But there are one-and-duns a lot.

Mike Brable of the Titans West. Where do you come down on this? Well, I think this is going to be Marvin Lewis's first ever tournament win. He's going to be 1 and 0 here in this bracket. It's, you know, the AFC has some tricky situations here when Marvin Lewis is a seventh seed. The same Marvin Lewis, who literally was reported to be fired by national reporters last year. He's resputing. Like they said, whenever we had a whole show where we talked about Marvin Lewis being fired?

They tied him up and threw him in a river. he escaped how many head coaches do you want marcus mariotta to have over the course of his first contract he's not going and i could see marvin lewis making winning by retiring himself i could see him four or five decades from now we'll look back or our answer or our uh our our kin will look back and say how in a profession that most guys get five minutes to prove themselves did marvin lewis hang on to his gig how did he keep that gig that long i hope i just point to the owner is the answer I hope my granddaughter is asking me about Marvin Lewis's, you know, coaching record. Tell me about how the ineffectual man kept his job for a decade and a half.

Number three, see. Well, he was in a hard division. Have you seen the other coaches that went through there? Number three said Adam, so Marvin moves on. Number three seed, Adam Gase against 14, Andy Reid. Andy Reid ain't going nowhere and Gase needs results. Shaq, this is a no-brainer, right? Boy, I don't think Adam Gase.

It's hard for me to conjure the path to him. him getting fired out of Miami. But I suppose if Ryan Tannahills will flop, and he really has pinned all his hopes on 17 has Adam Gase. It makes sense. When we spoke with Gase at the owner's meetings, but also just his, in general, the vibe of this offseason, was that Adam Gase and whatever figures and management

are doing certain things Adam Gase doesn't like, they just did not seem to be on the same page. Maybe that will change by now. He's been dealt a raw hand there, but for three years now it feels like he's been trying to set a cold And you should be beyond that. I will never forget at the, in Orlando at the meetings when it was asked by one of us, what the dolphins mean, what they represent.

And he didn't have an answer. He did not have an answer. Gase moves on. Number six seed, Anthony Lynn against Frank Reich, the first year coach in Indy. Frank Reich has Andrew Luck healthy on the field, Greg. That should be enough to buy them at least a year. Right. We should have almost made Frank Reich the 16 seed because if the Colts,

fired him after one year after he took that job, you know, when Nick Daniels didn't. With this lousy roster, like, they should be sent to court or something. Put Anthony Lynn. Right. What if Josh McDaniel says, all right, I'll take the gig now? That would be awesome. You're like, okay. Let's move to the other side now, 116.

Dirk cutter v. Doug Peterson. That's a no-brainer. Dirk moves on. Peterson just signed a contract this month. Also just won a Super Bowl. Again, like with Belichick, something else would have to happen. Something unsavory. His book is on my radar.

Usually these like, we just won the Super Bowl. Let's write a book. Books are terrible and are worth ignoring. But this Peterson one seems like it's got a lot of snackable content. I think we need to check this out. Oh, Shaq, here we go. And here's a nice eight-nine matchup. Pat Schumer.

Oh, yeah. How did he get an eight seed? I missed that. That's an eight seed. and he will be up against first year Bears coach Matt Negi. I think both of these guys fall into the category of we don't know yet, although we have seen Pat Shermer as the head man. Certain guys are cut out to be coordinators and other guys are meant to be head coaches.

And that doesn't mean that the head coach is smarter. In fact, sometimes it means the exact opposite, that they're not as savvy with the X's and O's, but they know how to lead a locker room of men kind of thing. And deal with media. Pat Schumer did not indicate that he was capable of that. Bill Belichick, obviously, in his second turn, did a little bit better than he did in his first go-round. Matt Nagy has been kissed into genius category off of one season. We've seen that happen many times before and not carry out beyond that one season.

I'm going to go with Pat Schumer here. Hopes are high in New York. The one thing I could see potentially happening in a science fiction-like scenario for the Giants, because Shermer probably, I would say, is very safe. But if Bill Belichick ever got tired of the Patriots thing, the one team you always hear Belichick linked with is the Giants, where he really started his career and became the Bill Belichick that we know. If that was ever a flip-flop scenario, that's the one way Shermer could be out.

But if the minimum would be next year for Belichick, he would go to a team with 38-year-old Eli Manning and no Arab parent. No, they would find a way to get a different quarterback. Yeah, the Bears brought in Nagy specifically to work with Tribisky and run his offense doing a 180 from the previous regime. I think that's keeping him safe. Sturm is safe too, obviously. Well, I encourage everybody who's high on the Giants right now

to look at their first eight games. It's not like a tough three-week stretch. Look at the first half of their season. They will be very lucky. If they're three and five, they will exceed my expectations. And look at their quarterback game tape in the last couple years. Here's a 413 matchup. Mike McCarthy v. Sean Payton, two guys that we've seen,

constantly in the playoffs. Coach with the best track record that you could still see it somehow just blowing up in a crazy fashion. That said, I think Mike McCarthy, especially with a new GM there, is year to year right now. Sean Payton's probably the best playoffs win playoff games. Then it's probably about time. I think McCarthy has gotten on the radar as someone that's held. No, I think his track record is most people would settle for that coach. You're getting reports that you get, listen, this window on Aaron Rogers is closing.

Is this the right guy to do it because they keep getting close and then it doesn't happen? I thought last year was the right year to get rid of it. I think he's the next thing they may change in Green Bay. I think they might have to get to the NFC title game for Mike McCarthy to be saved. And for that reason alone, I will pound the table that this guy should be making a deep run in this tournament. So Mike McCarthy, I agree. I'm with you on McCarthy. It's one phone call from Aaron Rogers.

It's always a phone call, too. They can't do it face to face. But no, he might say to whoever will make the call ultimately. And it's enough with McCarthy. Can we get a new coach in here to work with in my final years? Sean Payton may do it himself because if Jason Garrett goes out of Dallas, then they will chase him and he'll choose to leave New, uh, to, uh, leave New Orleans. All right, 512 matchup, Pete Carroll, as West said, um, and his one-time defensive coordinator,

Dan Quinn, Quinn, uh, two years removed from the Super Bowl. Pete Carroll, uh, a few years removed from his last Super Bowl and also the oldest coach in the NFL. Well, Wes, who do you see on this one? Well, Quinn just signed an extension a month ago, and Pete Carroll is in charge of a rebuilding team going through a transition phase. And we've also heard on the Dave Damashchuk football program from Cliff Averill, that locker room started already tuning him out. Did you like that check?

After the Super Bowl. Well played. Well, he beat me too. I was going to do that. Because I like name dropping. And that's what Cliff Averill said. Now, somebody whose name I won't drop, who does know what he's talking about, though, has said Russell Wilson has quietly, his agent has been quietly trying to extract him from Seattle anyway

because he can see the demise of the would have been dynasty, were it not for Malcolm Bublers. That's your Belichick quarterback for the Giants next year. Wow, that would be a nice tandem. So we're all good with Carol moving on. Okay. Next up, a 215 matchup, Jay Gruden is a two seed here with the Redskins, the longest tenured Redskins coach in approximately 100 years. Is that the quite of the Dan Snyder era of the Dan Snyder era and Sean McVeigh.

That lasting Joe Gibbs 2.0. Sean McVeigh, this is a no-brainer who is really one of the more enviable situations in the NFL is the Rams and their hedge coach situation right now. Gruden moves on, right? Correct. Okay. Yeah. 7-10 matchup. Steve Wilkes down in Arizona.

Things look a little better than they did around combine time, but still Steve's got a lot of work to do down there. Matt Patricia, the 10 seed. his first year with the Lions. Mark, you're shaking your head. I don't like this because we have to pick, and this is really a rarity in the NFL, someone to be out after one season, and I don't see it either.

But I would have to go Steve Wilkes of the two just because Matt Patricia has made a big impression on me this offseason. I don't have an impression of Steve Wilkes. Have you forgotten that Patricia has made his players run? That could do it too. He could be out. There was an ugly story involving Patricia, too,

that we don't know the details and all that stuff. But I wonder where that sits with the organization, even though they stood by him. Well, they're both unlikely. In tandem with a really bad season would be, would qualify for one of them. Patricia and the GM are very, very tight. We don't know what's happening with the Cardinals' GM

after this season either. And we just don't. And it's a first year coach. Who's his support system if that goes down? I'm going to vote Patricia here. I'm going to go Patricia just because we don't have a single upset in the first round, which makes sense because we did the seating.

Bill O'Brien, you know, so it's almost hard for upsets to happen. But just for the sake of it, just to prevent, you know, next year's better is from taking all favorites of the first round. By the way, to Wes's point, if part of this is an evaluation of how good or bad if we think a team might be, you guys have team of ATN. Damish X pick the true sleeper, not one like the Niners where a lot of people are jumping on them this year. A true sleeper, the Detroit Lions are going to,

are going to make a real playoff push. Hear me now, believe me later. Oh, yeah, Wes and I connected on that over the weekend. So you got your vote in Wilkes then. I'm going to vote in Wilkes. I mean, neither one's going to get fired. Break the tie, Wes. We need an upset.

Patricia moves on. Purely for upset purposes. Suddenly the lions will care about not being mediocre. That's what we're saying. Gotcha. Sessler's pissed. 314, Jason Garrett, the three-seed. Mike Zimmer, a 14-seed-seed Zimmer.

The only thing I'd say here, and I think Garrett's the obvious guy, long as he's been there, he's a little Teflon, but still, you would think he really needs to do something this year. Super high expectations in Minnesota. I don't think that leads to Mike's never getting fired, but it's basically a Super Bowl or bus, which has to be a little bit uncomfortable for any coach. But there's also always unreasonable expectations in Dallas. And the one thing I'd say in Garrett's defense. Except for Jason Garrett. Well, but that's, that's right, because they view Garrett and it was this old Albert Breer report where they've been, you know, putting him, they've been working on him since he was a backup quarterback.

Aikman, and he's a family member, they've invested all this in him, and he survived multiple nuclear blast because of it. And he's not an easy guy to imagine getting fired unless they totally crater and lose players forever in the offseason. I don't know. If they have another irrelevant season, which they likely shouldn't give in Jason Garrett's weird track record, which is not week to week or month to month. It's year to year. One year good, one year bad. And that's how it goes with Jason Garrett's Cowboys. If this is a back-to-back, mediocre or down season. I think they'll show Garrett the door and Chase a big-name guy like Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh or who knows who else.

I think we're all in agreement there. Finally, the last matchup in the first round on the NFC, Ron Rivera, six-seed against Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco. Shaq, your thoughts on this? I mean, it's got to be Ron Rivera. I mean, he is nice defensive piece, as we know, but I obviously bang the table more than anyone on the face of the earth. I think, at this point for Cam Newton. Is he crying already? That's like the playoff music.

Cam Newton, I mean, Ron Rivera's the main reason that he is perceived to be a good head coach is because of Cam Newton. The reason the Panthers win games that they shouldn't win is because of Cam Newton. But they also lose games they shouldn't lose because of Cam Newton. What about their defense? Defense has been solid.

The defense has been... The only reason he's even this highest seed is because there's a new owner. There's a GM who was temporary, and now, is permanent but was the old Gia and it's just like you you think new owner new new group if things don't go well so the falcons and saints could both be double-digit winners and that would presumably knock down the panthers record and maybe that equals his departure all right Rivera moves on let's go back to the uh got a long way to go here see now your this is on your radar mark no we're working our way through it like any like any good NCAA tournament it's going to take

about a month to complete. Hugh Jackson and Bill O'Brien now in the next round. You know what I, you know what it is? I just thought of it. He has that room reserve downstairs. Oh, no. Yeah, well, it's, Mark, it's 12 minutes from now.

Mark, Mark, 12 minutes from now. Mark, Mark, in a very clever move, there's been this, you know, abandoned office from someone who was, let's be honest, swept out of the company. It's just been a great corner office, been sitting there. And at various times, you see, you know, reserved for, you know, Gareth Crosby or whatever from certain days, different names. And Mark made his own little version of it today without asking the facilities and just said reserve three, three to three. I tried to create a nice cushion here.

The show typically would end around two, two, 15. Like, after the second time you said, man, this is going to take a long time during the show, he's like, wow, this is really, he's thinking about that. By the third time, I was like, something's going on here. It's in 11 minutes. And we are about to end at the latest time we have ever ended this podcast in six years. So that's my fault. You're going to lose that room. You're going to also have to.

Someone's going to be in there. You're probably going to have to blame Sheck because he went about 20 minutes over his time in the studio before us. Well, in a tournament, it's Sheck versus this segment. Let's see if the segment can't pull out the upset here. If only we had time for the important philosophical question, I asked your Patriots fan friend over there, Greg Rosenthal. Don't you want, I'm asking it. to you. Don't you want if you're a Brady lover? What's happening right now? Let's go

to 5 p.m. Maybe. Maybe we're done. Maybe we don't end until the cloak of night drops. Now listen to me. I said to Rosendahl, if you're a Tom Brady lover, don't you want the season after he retires for them to go 7 and 9? Because if they have double digit wins and don't skip a beat, that

puts a debt into Brady's legacy. Yes, it does. First of all, that debate has been over for a couple of years. Second of all, if you're a Brady fan, you've got nothing to worry about. What is it? Why would you worry about what the team's doing the next year? He's already the greatest quarterback of all time. And if you're a Brady fan, you're a Patriots fan.

Wait, is this about Terry Bradshaw again? He is underrated. Did you reach out to Will? Will Brinson, our good friend of the show, who you're scheduled to do a hit with for his fine pick six podcast. Did you communicate with him about this? Waiting for a response. Do we want to get Will on the phone?

No, I think that would only add more time to the production. I'll lay out in favor of Brinson. He stops. We love Will. Okay, Hugh versus Bob, Bill O'Brien. Again, I think Bill O'Brien's a dark horse here. In fact, I'm going to now make the case. And, Wes, you give me the look.

Well, Hugh is like the 1990 UNLV team. I know, but honestly, here's my Hugh Jackson take. Yes. It's like Stacey Ogman at both ends up the floor. He's got it all covered. Larry Johnson before the back entry. Hugh's been in a hot tub, I'm sure. Here's the take.

One in 15, 0 and 16. The team keeps them around. They decide we still believe in this guy, or maybe we just don't want to make another change. We're going to stick with you. He's going to jump in the lake and we're going to do a premium cable and we're going to rebuild his image and the team's image. What does Hugh really have to do to prove that he's moving the team in the right direction? I argue it probably is winning four games, four or five games, which is not a high bar to me

with a team that has talent, which is brown. The team does. So while I obviously agree that Hugh has. as a hot ass butt in a lot of ways. I have to say that Bill O'Brien to me, this is the upset of the tournament. I'm voting. O'Brien, he's the guy to keep an eye on making the Cinderella run.

I'm going to say he's got a hotter butt right now. No coach in the NFL is signed through a later date than Bill O'Brien. O'Brien pulled some Game of Thrones stuff. There was a lot going on with the former general manager who's still in the organization. actually there's a lot going on so I just think he made the power play he won it he's going to be there

the only counter is I would say Hugh Jackson did the same exact thing he got rid of that general manager the same way that Bill O'Brien did he won a power struggle but he didn't get a raise and a new job title I hear you with that

I still think billionaires are going to pay out contracts if they have a chance at a better coach how many coaches have three years of the contract paid up because they're a disaster I don't I don't see how Bill O'Brien

who lost votes to Doug Marone minutes ago, many minutes ago. Not my vote. Like just how do you do that and then say he's going to knock off Hugh Jackson? That feels a little cute to me. It's cute. And that doesn't matter because that's my vote. You know what I call it? Hubris.

Yes, I'm going Hugh. And correction, John Gruden has signed longer than him. But that's about it. And by the way, when you have Greg Williams in the building, how they don't just turn the keys over to that gem. Oh, my God. He likes to swear everybody. It's hilarious.

He's 60. Could be Todd Haley, but yeah. I think they should make a rule. You know how if you make the playoffs, you're exempt from hard knocks? I think if you hire Greg Williams next year, you're exempt from hard. Then he'll get his seven offers he talked about. All right, Todd Bowles. So he moves on.

Todd Bowles and John Harbaugh. This is a good one. Check. I'm going to stick with Harbaugh here, even though I do think that they have a playoff run in 2018 in them. If things get sideways, like I said, I think the biggest factor is Ozzie. being out, you don't know what the, what the new guy's going to want, as we always hear.

That's one of the oldest cliches. Isn't DeCosta? They've been grooming Eric DeCosta. He's been there. The assumption is that he's going to take over. But the notion at always, when you, when somebody takes that position, then they want their guy. And you don't know that that means that Ozzy's agree. I hear it. I think that those two are in cahoots.

Oh, with John. Wait, we're saying John Bulls over John Harba. I mean, here's the thing. This is the scenario where Harbaugh will. didn't make the playoffs. I don't really have any faith in my ability to predict how they do. And if they don't make the playoffs, then he is a good coach. But I don't know if he's one of the best coaches in the league. If he's with the Ravens organization and he goes five and 11, eight and eight, nine and seven and then misses the playoff again this year. That's a bad four

year run. If I'm the Jets and the Ravens fire, John Harbaugh, I take John Harbaugh as my coach in two seconds. Sure. I mean, Todd Bulls has, he's hung around, but he's not a vastly improved this team. And neither has that front office outside of having Sam Darnold land of them. Bulls and McAgnon are in a weird position because they are in the third year of a rebuild, essentially. And I think that if San Darnold looks good, I think it could actually buy Bulls another year, even without making a playoffs.

Whereas Harbaugh, I think it's playoffs or bust. So I say Harbaugh moves on. That's my vote. I got Harbaugh in the NIT. He didn't even belong in this tournament. I vote for Bulls moving on. I strongly vote for Bulls. The Ravens fancy themselves

as one of the tent pole. franchises in the NFL and they know they have one of the best coaches in the four years but four years of uh of not appearing in january might undo the things happen you've been handed a bad roster i said harba oh and it comes down to gregg oh yeah it's harbaugh this is unbelievable this is highly unbelievable oh you're a great coach gets no respect it's not it's nothing to do with how we think of them as a as a course it does um uh vance Joseph against Marvin Lewis, Mark Sessler. Mark, you still here. I go Vance Joseph. I just think that a lot has to happen right in Denver. And part of that would be, Vance Joseph convincing this team that he's the

guy that can maximize both sides of the ball, not just his little specialty on defense. I'm going to go Vance. I think that Alway's draft class, he did a great job, but his ongoing issues with the offensive line and quarterback will end up dooming his head coach. The nifty offense of weapons that Andy has for himself there in Cincinnati, once again, notwithstanding. If that offensive line doesn't take care of 14, that team is doomed and the worst of all fates finishing behind the Cleveland Browns, that is a realistic possibility. That would be enough to end the Marv tenure. I'm going Marv.

It's still alive here. I'm going to go, Vance Joseph, because if Marvin Lewis can do anything, it's keep a job. And just based on this prior track record, this is kind of the year they sneak up on some people. You know, right after he escapes by keeping his rap. Adam Gase v. Anthony Lynn. That's a good one. This is a tough matchup.

I think it's definitely, Gase. I don't think it's that hard for me just because of the turmoil. Now, I wouldn't put it past Gase from winning some sort of power struggle and the front office gets sent out and he stays. But Anthony Lynn, he's got good coordinators. he's got a good roster he's set up to be solid he's only a second year head coach i guess it's partly wishful thinking but i don't want to see a scenario that he'd have some disastrous season and that's the only way he'd be on the hot seat is a disaster season if both of these teams went eight and eight

for instance i'd trust anthony win making it back for another year a lot more one one organizational thing i think if they are all in on anthony lynn inside the building they'd love him because this is a team that's going through a weird couple of years and you want that right guy and it may be hard to get someone else to come into that situation. So I think it's Gase, unfortunately. I think it's weird to me that society seems to have forgotten that the dolphins in 2016 made a playoff run and they finished it up with Matt Moore and who knows what would have happened at 17 stayed healthy and on the trip to Pittsburgh in the wildcard

round as it is. Gase is got to watch out for 17 on the road in the playoffs. Everyone's great of that. Hey, you know, listen, that was that was a very quiet playoff. team that people have forgotten about it. Because they were terrible. No, but they were not a good team. Adam Gase was a coach of the year candidate that year.

That's not long ago. They were like the bills who made it last year. They weren't a good team. The 2016 Dolvins were a tick better than the 2017 bills. Either way. It's a great what if everyone's been saying ever since. Imagine if we saw 17 in the playoffs. All right.

Listen, I'm going Gase because this is, he has put his stamp on this. He purged the big name guys who he didn't want to. As he has said quietly to some people, I didn't like babysitting some guys. Now he's purged the guys who he needed to babysit. If that doesn't work in 2018, then he'll be gone. Back to the NFC, Dirk versus Schumer. Dirk.

Come on. Let's move on. See Mark? See how quickly you're moving on? Oh, we're rolling. Mike McCarthy against Pete Carroll. My vote's McCarthy. I already made my statement that they have to win a lot of games,

including playoff games for him to survive. This is a tricky match. seat. It's interesting, like, what are we actually voting on? Who has the hotter seat? To me, that's McCarthy. Even if I was picking who's more likely to be gone next year, that's maybe a different question. McCarthy has a hotter seat. Carol, I think the ownership there, they love them. They're, behind what they're doing here with the rebuild, and so I'm going McCarthy. If Greg can bend the entire room to his cause on Mike McCarthy, maybe he can also bend the Packers' front office. So I'll go to McCarthy, too.

Pete Carroll, if we look at his track record, what was his last stop, USC? He didn't stay, he didn't, he wasn't the last man on the ship there. He jumped off off a quick. This team is going down. He's going to get out of it. Carol will leave, but to the cause of what the whole segment's about, I'll go McCarthy. Gruden v. Patricia. Jay Gruden.

You got to go Jay. Yep. That's a walkoff. They're probably going to have every position get injured again. Jason Garrett against Ron Rivera. What a sexy matchup. I'm going with Garrett. I think Garrett's got to win.

He's got to make the playoffs. It's going to be tough. I'm going Garrett too, although I do think that the defense might be halfway decent this year. I mean, if they get Earl Thomas, then it will be one of the better defenses in the NFC. They've got some pieces to at least be more interested. Love those linebackers. They've got Jalen Smith looks dandy all of a sudden. I think Garrett might be running into Princeton's Peak Carill here, upset city.

He doesn't want to have the face off against Riverboat. And Garrett, as much as. the media likes to talk about his job being in trouble? I have never once heard Jerry Jones say that Jason Garrett. No, I think he loves. That's true. I think he loves Jason Garrett because Garrett just, he's in his place, and that's okay. Like, I'm not demeaning Jason Garrett, but I'm just saying it's different to be the coach of the Cowboys than another team.

And Jerry Jones likes how he doesn't want to build parcels there. You convince me. I'm now going, I'm going. Attention is oxygen for the Dallas Cowboys. If they're irrelevant again, they have to purge Jason. I go, Garrett. I think Rivera is going to take the pants. to a playoff tiebreaker i'm going jason garrett so we got three garrets that that's that would

win out of five eagles are going to be good and if i'm wrong about the giants again that knocks down another team those are four games on their schedule right there can you imagine how long we would have been here if we didn't have a fifth person though imagine the tiebreaker oh it would have well i think to your point your point is the check has made this yeah sure almost impossibly wait a minute brevity is the sole away this is literally the longest non-seasoned season podcast we've ever had it's kind of it's supersized we walked into this with it with a zero non-tie breaker option the train this would be a train wreck scenario from outer space there would be no way to solve this we'd have to call knobby each time uh all right

here we go this is the final four final eight now we're only only eight hugh versus harbaugh Hugh Hugh you oh Greg's Dean Greg your little dream died right there I love the hard the hard feelings that are going on on here. Yeah, that's some disrespect. I'm going to vote. I'm going to vote for Harbaugh just to... Me too.

Just get Mark fired up. You are absurd. That is absurd. I'm going Hugh. Come on. All right. Thank you. That is wildly absurd.

We should do this every show. The answer, like, find out Mark's schedule ahead of time. Right. And then just set it up about 90 minutes before. Like, it doesn't have to be the hot, the hot butsy, but some sort of 32 team bracket. Let's find a way to start the show 47 minutes late. And then, you know, you know, you know,

Kareen into an 117 minute episode and see how that... Cut to Will Brinsett, like wrapping his foot with his arms crossed. They're all pissed off. Vance Joseph against Adam Gase. Ooh, now we're talking about the big... Who's...

Again, this is not who's going to get fired. This is who enters this season with a hotter butt right now. Gase or Joseph? I'm voting Joseph. I think he needs to... He needs results after what was a lost first year. I think he was...

He left last season as one of the hottest butt. and it didn't change much. The Broncos, they're almost overlooked for how great an organization they've been compared to some others. They have not had back-to-back losing seasons in more than 45 years. That's unbelievable. Since before we, all of us except the check we're born. Right. And like they had that little run with Jake Plummer where they're pretty mediocre.

But so if they had two back-to-back bad seasons and I can see that happen in Joseph. John Elway's job is safe, right? We all agree no matter what. Well, guess what? This coach is going to perhaps lose his head because of the guy who thought that Paxton Lynch and Case Keenham was the solution to what ails him. I'm voting, Gase. I'm going to underdog here. What do you got?

Oh, Joseph. Yeah, we got 4-1 on that one. But that, I get it because Gase is in a similarly difficult situation. I have zero confidence in the dolphins to do anything. I mean, anyone left in this tournament should be on shaky ground, right? If not, what are we doing here? Absolutely. All right.

Here we go on the NFC side. Dirk Cutter again the Bucks one of the biggest busts of last season he sticks around James Winston there's some drama with Winston and Dirk their relationship Winston suspended for off the field shenanigans so here we are Dirk cutter against Mike McCarthy again facing a lot of pressure this season what do we got no brainer well dirt cutters won his primary gig in taking over there was to bring along the franchise QB how's that looking right now it's cutter That was his charge. Well, yeah, he's been, the thing is, they have had continuity with him. He's been there for four years, right? He was the coordinator for James Winston. And as those Buccaneers prove, consistency in and of itself is not always a good thing. They were one of the most disappointing teams last year,

and they look like they're about to be even more disappointing this year. Rough start to the season, too. I think they have potential, if it wasn't, the suspension is definitely a downer. But not for what he, for defense, yes, I think, but not for what he's known for. And you don't have your quarterback for the first four years. I think they could light it up. offensively tons of yards a great season for witson but either way well then he shouldn't be a number one seat in this tournament if that's how we feel about dirt cutter i mean upsets happen that's that's a

rugged division i think he has a six tough divisional game but they could put up like an incredible offensive fire show with that group i think both men have blazing butts uh but dirk probably just because the nature of how poorly things went last year yeah i'll go with him all right on the uh opposite inside J. Gruden versus Jason Garrett. I just like everyone to know that so far our bracket is playing out exactly to seed. Well, yeah, that's why when we were arguing about seeds yesterday, I was like, wait, this is, why would have any... Well, without any visual elements for the listener, we'll be out of the woods on that one. They can't see what the seating is.

We don't need to know that. They don't need to know that. I've been, each guy gave their seats for the listeners. I appreciate that. I can't believe John Gruden's brother has had a headman gig as long as he has. It's enough already. He's a good coach. I think he's done it.

I think that's one of the toughest, worst head coaching jobs in professional football. He's done about as well or better than anyone with it. This is going to seem rudimentary. I think he's fighting uphill. Alex Smith wins football games. Look at every year since his end of his Niners days. I think he's going to make them competitive. I don't know if they're going to win a playoff.

game or make the playoffs, but I think they'll win eight to ten games, and I think Gruden will survive because of that. So I think Garrett is my vote. All right. Can I say one thing about that? In a world of alleged QB whispers, Andy Reid is in fact one, and that's why

Alex Smith thrived. I don't know how long he can ride things out with Jay Grudy. Smith was solid when he was later. He finished off with Jim Harba. Yeah, he was Jim Harbaugh came in and magically he turned around. Another guy who knows how an offensive coach. And who have his offensive coordinator has been?

Who? Jay Grude. They've been Sean McVeigh. Right. Did he have, though, Kyle Shanahan was gone. Kyle Shanahan. He was gone, wasn't he? By the time Jay got there?

Okay, so Sean McVeigh, pretty good coach. Do we think Alex Smith is falling off a cliff now at age 34? He's a pretty established guy at this point. I think he'll be fine. I just don't know that the skins are going to do enough in that division that Jay Gruden inspires another year. I'm going to go, Gruden. We keep saying it's entering the season.

In theory, what happened during the season almost doesn't matter. And right now, in terms of just pressure to perform, I'll go Gruden. I'm with you. Again, the Cowboys have never said we want Garrett out of there. And we can say the Gruden and the skins are going to win nine games. There's like 12 teams in the NFC that look like they're going to win nine games right now. That's true. Jay will have a soft landing spot as the next coach of the Cincinnati Bengals.

Oh, wow. There you go. All right. Now the final four. Here we are, Mark. This is where it gets real fun. This is dramatic. We have five days off before the final.

four though on the afc side hugh jackson of the cleveland browns the number one seed against vance joseph it played to seat he survives he's the number two seed of the broncos hugh versus vans who's your pick i might go vance joseph here i mean it's i don't how does hugh jackson have a head coaching job in 2018 after just that what if they go if they go seven and nine then I don't think that's good enough even I think I think given the talk given the hype and given the exposure that probably does not represent him all that well from hard knocks I think all that amounts to Hugh being out I also think the timeline of when John Dorsey was hired and Hugh Jack when they essentially decided to keep Hugh Jackson before that is a big factor and I do think John Dorsey's gonna gain power if he doesn't have it already he has Haslam's ear and I think it might take like seven wins and that's tough i think they could do that if they win six or seven games it'd be tough to i think it depends what those six years look like but i'm going hugh i say vans for all the reasons from that were stated earlier that's two to spite wow the deadlock this one's easy i don't

buy hugh jackson i don't think some of his players by him and i don't think some of his coaching staff by him it's hugh jackson you moves to the finals you can just imagine todd haley you know with the brown's headset on you know like being the head coach and we 12 or something. It just seems like something that could happen. All right. And who will face you? Dirk Cutter or Jay Gruden? Again, it's easy for me, but I'll listen to any other options. Dirk cutter. Dirk cutter?

Dirk. What? I just think that Dirk cutter was maybe, they would make for an interesting finals, to be honest. Weird name for a baby, too, Dirk. Yes, it is. Also, Jay is kind of big of it. Unless it's like the year 1140. How annoying was it that Todd Haley, your fourth? or offensive coordinator

to kind of stole your bit and used it on a national platform on hard knocks and now people give him the glory for the baby names that are kind of old-time names. Yeah, but I got him right back because I took to Twitter

and I said a weird name for a baby is Todd. So take that Todd, Haley. It was a good tweet. Got him. All right, here we go. I just want to circle back

to the whole like Brady, you know, legacy thing. Please do. Like, and if, was it a Hoyer that's going to play in the next year?

What if Brian Hoyer were the starting quarterback with the Patriots, would they win the division this year? You know what? Anybody can win that division. You can listen to the tail end of the Dave Damashick football program to find out exactly what everyone thinks on this. I like that. And honestly, you can say all fish? That doesn't seem to that. I'll go dirk, by the way.

I agree that it's not right that I did it. Yeah, all fish is unfair. It's almost disrespectful. Agreed. Two fish. All right, here we are in the finals. Now, a pair of one seeds. You say, oh, not a surprise.

Well, sometimes this happens. Isn't that what you want in the NCAA tournament, though? Any turn? We got the two ones. The two best. You want the two best. The two seeds lost in the final four. I mean, people have been.

Well, you've got what they want. Chalk! Drama. All right. Hugh Jackson against Dirk Cutter for all the marbles. Who has the hottest butt entering week one? We've talked as much as we need to talk about anybody. A simple vote right now.

I'm going to think. I'm going to talk anyways. Oh, my God. That was the most, that was the most predictable thing. Duck Al-LaRange. Hugh Jackson. I tried, Mark. I mean, well, it's just the finals.

Here's the thing with Duck, though. You're right, it's a little, if you're at like a nice, you're right, at a nice restaurant. That's sort of like a reliable go-to that's always going to be a B-plus. That was kind of my point. Wait, I thought this was about you, actually still here. I'm talking, discussing, Doug. You said it was the best. Okay.

The hottest seat includes the pressure coming from the owners. the Bucks owners are paying attention to their Premier League teams. They're pretty hands off. Like, that's part of the reason I think Dirk Cutter still has a job. So that's why Hugh Jackson was. That's exactly right. In that part of the country, SEC is king, not NFL. Tampa Bay does not have the heat on it.

Ironic, given where it's located. It is in Cleveland where the seat is hot. And Hugh Jackson has no chance. Well, I'd agree also because we've talked about this, that the Browns have morphed into a national team at this point. The Bucks couldn't be anything. farther from that and maybe if the ownership is absent or not looking or not caring not that they i don't know them personally maybe they care a lot who knows there's a lot of

money invested but let's you could see the bucks sure you could see the bucks going four and twelve and somehow they just keep the whole thing together for some odd reason the way they did just months ago james look good in that one game in early december this season could go sideways in a hurry for dirk with that three game suspension the three the toughest three game schedule to start the season of any team i could see that happens happening. This is the first Hugh matchup that I don't think is a blowout, but I still think that Hugh is the hottest butt

in the game. So there you go. Hugh Jackson has the hottest butt in the NFL entering the 2018 season. And before we go, Mark Sessler. I'm just stunned by the results. I don't know how we got here.

Ready? In one shining moment, It's all on the line One shining moment Frozen in time That was Luther Vandross That was you

You sounded a lot like That was And over that for the video consumer They're going to see a montage Of epic failures by James and by the team that that is kind enough to to football fans out there who may not be wait which ones the Browns oh it's the one who's pants say Browns on them that's all right it's been nice having you here Dave it's been a pleasure to have you check you you've

settled important matters and we appreciate you and check out the Dave Damshack football program also he's in cahoots over there with Adam Carolla on the good sport podcast. Don't forget Dave's of Thunder. Dave's of Thunder is back, which several of my hometown friends from Cincinnati have been longtime listeners. Is that true? Kevin O'Connor, Paul Rui, Tom Loving, yeah. I have heard from Kevin O'Connor. Yeah, he's a good dude. So check out Shaq. Thanks, fellas. He's a certified empire. We will be back on Friday with our final episode of the week. Connie Fox will rejoin us. So excited to see Colleen again. Until then, this is Dan Hansis signing off.

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