NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2016 Cinderella Candidates

Episode Date: May 23, 2016

A room full of heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Conor Orr–  discuss the latest news from the NFL including Ryan Fitzpatrick's comments on the rumors of his retirement and where the upcoming Super Bowls will be held. Then the heroes discuss which teams in the NFL have the potential to be Cinderella stories in the 2016 NFL season before wrapping the show with an update on “Orrible Movies!”Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room filled with some heroes. To my right, they call him the boss. I call him Greg. Greg Rosenthal. Hey, Dan. Wait. This is weird.

That's a little different today. And to my left, a man who really needs no introduction on this. the show, but a man that comes from the New Jersey Haunted Mansion, and once a year, the satellites align, and he ends up in the studio, ladies and gentlemen,

Connor Orr. What's going on? Wow. It's great to be back for my annual NFL like microchip change. They just come out here and they probe you for a few days and then you get sent back on your life. Program you, give you new equipment.

I thought it was an interesting power movie. you said, I'll do the show this week, but no Sessler, no Wessling. I want as much airtime as possible. We're like, all right, you're the big, you're the guy, so we'll do it. Go ahead, Connor. It was nice of you to change some things around. I just feel like, you know, I need some more air time. I call this the Rubik's Cube of the NFL podcast.

You want to see how many different permutations you can get of people in the studio. And never before has there been a three-legged dog of Orr, Hansus, and Rosen. That's true. So it's historic, the show. And Wes will be back. Connor, Mark, rather. Wow, just went through him. You okay, buddy?

He's on vacation this week. Oh, he's on vacation, all right. The texts we were getting from him yesterday. He is very much on vacation. He's enjoying it. Wes will be back for the next two shows of the week. Couldn't help that the money drop today that we have ball control issues goes back to what we learned about Mark and his underpants. Last week's show.

Oh. Last week's program. Good call. Nice job by Brandon. Yes. Behind the glass. By the, by the brand of. behind the glass, by the way.

Big game, tough 23, 21 loss for the shield in softball last Thursday. Oh, I didn't do. Yeah. Really a great comeback that just fell short. But, you know, Brandon had nothing to hang his head about. He, did you go three for four or four for four? Four for four. Four for four fell one double shy of the cycle and hit a grand slam.

Wow. Conner, making the most of his playing time, Brandon. And I've always said, Brandon, this is a meritocracy. You bought yourself some PT with that game. That's what I'm talking about. But, you know, I have to say, I'm still upset with that last that bat, though. Yeah, yeah. That was going straight for the hole.

For those that were either watching on television or at the game, we were down a few runs in the last inning with the tying run at the plate in the form of McGinnis. And he puts one up the gap. Maybe the game's tied. He scorches one, but it hits the pitcher right in the shin. Gets credited with an RBI single, but you're left to think what would have been if he just would have gotten under it a little bit. I hope that guy's shin broke.

He's a competitor. That's why we call him the Irishman. Well, it's not why we call him the Irishman, but that's who he is. Great game, Brandon. Today's show with Connor Oar. Now a married man, congratulations. Thank you.

It's weird. Being married is like a totally different set of circumstances. All the cards have changed. I like it. Does it change? Is it any different? I found like the major difference is like before I was married, I was like, man, like I want to,

work out and look like Brad Pitt from Fight Club and now I'm kind of like I just hope I turn out to look like the dad from the Wonder Years like I just you know like a little bit menacing and vaguely in shape wait so from prime Brad Pitt to Dan Loria yeah that makes it it makes sense because you know when I saw you at the Super Bowl and all the other times I've seen you I always think wow this is a guy that's working hard to look like that he's got a solid bod um today's show The three-legged dog, a unique three-legged dog here in the studio. Connor, since he's here, this is going to be a very Conner-centric, really weak. It's Connor Week here at the NFL podcast.

And we're going to talk about one week-long column idea that Connor has, who are the Cinderella's and who are the pumpkins of the upcoming 2016 season. So there are teams every year, every single year. There are teams that, you know, they were not good. the previous year and then they make some moves that get the fan base and also football pundits like ourselves excited and Connor cuts through all the BS and he's going to say which one should you actually have high hopes for that about sums it up right Connor that was like the best because I was trying to explain it to Greg for like a week when I was writing it and it just didn't hit home but

if I had just said what you said now that it would have been the issue was we needed a headline that that's not going to fit in 30 words or way less than 30 words like 10 What? Separating the Cinderella's with the pumpkins. That's good. Pumpkins. Also, we'll get into some other things. Other kind of Conner Manusia, we'll get it a little later in the show. Put it that way.

Feel free to turn off now. There is. But before we do any of that, despite this being the slow time in the NFL, there is a lot of news. So, Irishman, let's get to it, baby. Rosebud. that's right when there's there's the tease little rosebud that was of course from the famous movie citizen cane which was on the afi top 100 spoiler or horrible movies you know connor or his movie review of the classics which was supposed to be a off-season series for the show we haven't heard much about it so a little later in the show stick a pin in it now we'll find out what's going on with horrible movies people are a little nervous people are asking questions.

I've seen the Reddit post, but fear not. I've been in the lab. I'm working. You know, I've been studying. Pen and a paper in a lab. Trying to get this damn label off. Ooh, name the song. Dr. Dre.

Good. Good, good, good. You know, the first one he came back with aftermath. What was it? Forgot about Drake. I forgot about Dre. All right, here we go. Let's do some news.

I'll give you half credit there, Greg. Let us start with, Richard Sherman, who was interviewed by our own guys, Mike Robinson, who was a former teammate in Seattle of Richard Sherman, and the topic of Marshawn Lynch came up when this interview took place at Robinson's youth football camp. Will Beast Mode remain retired? Now, the assumption for a lot of people,

you know, maybe not this wasn't the smartest thing to do, was that once Beast Mode puts up the Instagram Twitter photo of his cleats hanging from the cables, and I guess the Seahawks put him on the reserve retired list, that it is over. But Richard Sherman points out, maybe we should just pump the brakes on assuming Marshaun Lynch's NFL career is over. Here's the quote, I don't put anything past him. He's about as predictable as a pair of dice. So I don't try to call his plays. Marshawn Lynch potentially still in the picture.

That would be a big boost, Connor, to the Seahawks, right? It's still a stud. They said as predictable as a pair of dice, as one of our readers pointed out, so he has a one-and-36 chance of actually coming back to the NFL. That seems about right. But it would be such a great lynch thing to do, right? And it helps. It's a win-win for him because he has no patience for any of that off-season minutia in the training camp

and getting coached up again. About Connor or minutia. Exactly. Yeah, different, totally different. And if you could just show up in November, play three or four games and help Seattle get back into the playoffs or into the Super Bowl, I think he'd love it. Oh, that's how you would picture it, that he would sit out all account, the season would get going, and then all of a sudden he would materialize? Yeah, I think so too. If ever there was a lynch comeback, I think it's coming after Thanksgiving or it's November.

Look, Sherman wasn't saying he had any sort of inside information. This is the offseason. It's quiet. It's not like huge news. But this paired with Michael Bennett last week or two weeks. ago said he thought Lynch was retired for right now that he might make an appearance but he think he's done for right now. So these are guys who know him pretty well that think maybe he could just come back. I don't know if the Seahawks, this sounds crazy, but I don't know

if the Seahawks team would necessarily want him back. He also has an exorbitant contract at the moment, which in theory he'd go back on. I don't know. I think they'd have to cut him and he'd go somewhere else. Who wants to do that? The financials of it, that's a good point. But when I'm just strictly looking at the roster. Thomas Rawls was, you know, a borderline sensation when he started playing. But then he suffered what looked like a pretty serious lower leg injury, ankle injury. And you don't know what kind of guy he's going to be coming back.

Kristen Michael, you're going to get excited about him? I'm not going to. They had the rookie that they drafted. Three rookies. Oh, yeah, Alex Collins, Zach Brooks, and CJ, help me with the last. Pro Seis. Pro Seis, I think they're excited about. But you don't, you know, it's not like it's a loaded backfield.

No, but I don't think, I think his teammates love him. I don't know if the Seahawks loved him by the end of it. They had a back and forth relationship between the front office, the coaching staff, and Marshawn Lynch throughout his time there. I think they thought, you know, we got a nice run of Marshawn Lynch. That's over. All right, moving on. A lot to get to you guys.

Keep the train rolling. Tom Brady's lawyers will file a petition. Is it a three-legged dog? Three-legged train. Meanwhile, on the throne of sleaze. Tom Brady's lawyers will file a petition Monday for a rehearing of his suspension case. This is still happening.

Case against the NFL before the U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals in New York. Former U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson told ABC News in an exclusive old Ted bomb an exclusive interview that Brady's team will petition for a rehearing on bonk, a request in French that's on bench. don't just say on bench. Let's get rid of the en banc listening to Ian Rappaportar and the media insider saying the words on bongk is just ridiculous. Ian, come back to me.

A request for all of the active judges on the Second Circuit to hear the case, rehear the case. This is Olson, old Tedbaum. The facts here are so drastic and so apparent that the court should rehear it, he told ABC News. Four-game suspension was reinstated by a court of appeals. this is Tom Brady's last chance to duck this thing. Will it work out, Greg?

Well, I want to say it doesn't seem like it's his last chance. That I don't understand this issue very well at all, but all that I've read about is that this is a huge long shot, like less than half of 1% actually is reheard like this. But if this doesn't happen, then they can try to petition to the Supreme Court or there's all sorts of things that they could just don't do everything. I think the idea is that Tom Brady

and his lawyers are going to fight this in every way possible just to hope to get another stay or something like that. I think it's a win for all of us because if you actually read all the decisions, things that lawyers write in those things are full of just the greatest explosive language. Everything has like an adverb, like wildly irresponsible or like abhorrently unfair.

And like, I really like that. I'm a fan of, of legalies. So I'm in on this. You like that. Big time. You like just digging through all that minutia. All right.

You can write all the post. I think I have so. Yeah, except for today. You've been all over this story. So we'll see what happens. But Tom Brady clearly exhausting his legal capabilities before he takes this ban. Let's move on to literally the opposite of the New England Patriots of the Cleveland Browns, who announced on Monday that they have released wide receiver.

Brian Hartline, the veteran 29 years old, and former, what did we call it, the heartline? Well, I had a theory, you know, Wes's Dalton scale took off. That was a big hit. And we had, I had something called the heartline. This is the heartline, but. And the heart line. Oh, whoa, Brian Hartline. Come on.

Until he signs on the other team. He's dead. If Brian's out there listening, I don't approve of this one. He's not. The heart line was, it was actually. specifically specific to his contract that he signed in Miami. It was a six and a half million dollar a year. Hey, this is kind of the, I'm a starting wide receiver,

six and a half million dollar contract. And every contract signed that was a receiver after that had to kind of go over it. Because it's like, well, we're a little, like that's the medium. That's like the lowest level of starting wide receiver contract. We got to go over the heartline. So, yeah, and heartline with a bad Cleveland team last year, 523 yards and 46 catches, two touchdowns in 12 games. before suffering a season-ending injury.

This is, again, a move by the Browns. And Connor, you are. You identify as a Cleveland fan. Once again, a sign. A useful player, Brian Hartland. No one's going to go crazy about him. But they don't have any wide receiver depth, really. When you factor in, you got Corey Coleman, of course,

brought him ultimately right away now, the number one guy and Josh Gordon floating somewhere. Terrell Pryor. Is this another move? are the Brown just kind of just tanking and just letting all the kids play and seeing what sticks during a 2 and 14? Yeah, I think so. I mean, this is like,

I like the Brown's draft because they almost borrowed philosophies from like the three or four best GMs and football. What they're doing right now is just letting a bunch of cheap young guys knock each other off the roster and, you know, Heartline stands in the way of getting playing time.

The other thing I didn't like though is that they knew that they were going to draft that many wide receivers. They always say give a guy a chance to actually get into a camp maybe a little bit before the turn of the summer in the dead period. And now poor Heartline is just kind of floating around. It's Memorial Day weekend.

You know, what are you going to do? Yeah, we did the NFL.com projected starters, NFL.com slash starters. Heartline, not on the starting lineup, but I just right now put rookie to be named later. You have Coleman, you have Andrew Hawkins, who's not a lock to make the team, but I think he'll make it. He's played with Hugh Jackson before. And then you have a late round rookie pick. They are county on essentially playing starter snaps, unless it's Terrell Pryor. someone like Jordan Payton or Rashard Higgins.

And these guys are fifth round pick rookies that you're saying, okay, you're going to go play 600 snaps for us, most likely. If they're a disaster in the offseason, then the Browns will just sign someone like a heartline, I think, in August to fill the gap. This, again, reminds me, and you see this all the time, an old Bill Parcellism, guys like Brian Hartline can be viewed as what he called progress stoppers.

The guy that's around 30 is not a star player or a big-time player, and really ultimately he's keeping younger guys from showing whether they can play or not. So who's the heartline now? That was kind of the base level of like a starting wide receiver in the NFL.

Trying to think who signed in this. Richard Matthews? That's interesting. He's kind of an up-and-coming, so it's a little confusing. I like where you're going, Dan. I'm going to go with Mohamed Sanu. Oh, that's a good one.

I feel like Muhammad Sanu it's like a role player that got that nice contract. And now if you're a wide receiver as a free agent next year, you're like, I should make more than Muhammad Sanoo. He only had 400, you know, he only had 500 yards. He had one good season. That's kind of the heartline. Heartline got kind of a representative contract for his skill level at the time of his signing with Miami.

Yeah, that's fair. You get overpaid a little bit in Atlanta. Doesn't that mess up the Sanoon line? Well, like the Dalton scale, it's tough to really. It's an imperfect science. Moving on, Ryan Fitzpatrick has been at the center of a messy contract, stalemate with the Jets for months now but we have heard

you know next to nothing from the man himself by the way Connor used to cover the Jets you did famously did you know that Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard this is the first I'm hearing of this anyway what I'm trying to say is a smart cookie and he has

stayed out of the press during this this messy squabble he did resurface however at a charity golf outing hosted by Willie Cologne on Monday I love charity golf outings because it's the only way to get news this time of year. I love Willie Cologne, too, by the way. Big Will, you like him?

He was the neighbor of mine. We went to the same shop-right liquors. You got a good Willie story? It was like before Memorial Day weekend or Labor Day weekend once, and I remember seeing all the employees, like, following him around the store, and he had like a giant old school Charlotte like Larry Johnson jersey. It was great. It's amazing.

It's amazing. Yeah, that's how great it is. At the old package store? That's what we used to call in Massachusetts. Packies? Packies. A liquor store Is it open

Is it closed in New Jersey On Sundays though It's some of the most Like insane Byzantine Northeast liquor laws Jersey was that for a while No it's well it's Pennsylvania Because you can't sell beer and liquor

In the same location And you can't sell anything on Sunday Right Massachusetts has similar Or the same laws It's insane that they're living that way It's the year of 2016 Wake up Sheepo I mean I wouldn't say he was yelling

But he has a point Anyway, so Ryan Fitzpatrick spoke to Sirius XM NFL radio at Big Willey's golf outing. He said that he's definitely playing this year. They asked him about, well, let's hear it from Ryan Fitzpatrick himself. He was asked about some of those things thrown out by his camp, I assume, retirement rumors. I'll rather not play than get hosed in my contract situation. This is what he said about the retirement rumors. I want to play.

You know, I love playing the game of football. I had a great time. Probably my best season last year in terms of how much fun I had with the guys, you know, out there every Sunday. And so it's just, it's something I still really enjoy doing and something I want to continue to do. It's been widely, it's widely believed that the Jets are offering around $8 to $10 million. He's looking for probably close to double that. And again, you know, we've talked about this a lot on this show, Connor.

The idea that I could see he threw 31 touchdowns last year. He got a long fame, so he kind of saved the Jets' asses after the IK incident with Gino Smith. And he looks up and, you know, a guy like Kirk Cousins making $20 million this year and the Jets want to pay him less than half that, I could see why he's trying to play hardball, even if it probably won't work. There's no reason for him. I mean, you know, he already knows the offense. He already has relationships with the best two receivers that he's going to be working with

and tight end. And so why does he need to be there? I mean, a lot of veterans, too, just like not having to do this stuff in May and June. He's the quarterback. It's a little different when you're the quarterback. You're trying to get timing down to some of these receivers. You know, obviously Marshall and Decker. He had a broken leg this time last year.

He didn't really even show up until training camp. That's fair. That's fair. I thought this, if you're a Jets fan, as you are, Dan, I thought this was a legitimate item here today on Monday. that I would feel even better about Ryan Fitzpatrick reporting. Like every time we've been talking about Fitzpatrick, we just assume he's going to be back.

Now hearing from him, it really made me assume that he's going to be back. Because I read these comments as like, I'm going to be on the Jets. Yeah, and I wrote in the piece we have up that, you know, he didn't sound in terms of tone or what he said, angry or bitter. It seems like he still gets at this,

this is just a business situation that's not really going to plan. Just, I've been saying it for, weeks now and months. If the Jets are offering 10 and he wants 16, you know, just give him 12 or 13 and be done with it. Come on. Why is life have to be so complicated? I think they're offering

him 8 or 9 or something. Negotiator Dan, though. I like the way you think. I thought he was making a statement to his teammates out there too, kind of like, hey, don't forget about me. I'll be there soon. But I guess it was just there happened to be Willie Cologne's golf function today and Sirius Radio was there for some wild reason. There was also

that like period of brief confusion. and we're like, I think it was like Decker said, well, I'm fine with Gino and then, but I don't understand Hackenberg. That's a bad headline. Brandon Marshall was like, oh, okay, well, I'm great with Hackenberg, but I don't understand you. And, like, nobody knows who's going to be the starter of this team.

It's going to be Bryce Petty. Petty's not making it. That reminds me of, like, two years ago, and somebody that shall not be named from this network predicted and around this time of year that Tage Boyd would be the Jets Week 1st starter. He was cut, like, 14 weeks later. He was once number eight on Mel's Big Board. Tage?

Tash. Christian Hackenberg was once number one, I believe. So Jevin Sneed was number one once. Moving on, the former coach of the New York Jets is Rex Ryan, and he likes to talk, as we know. And Greg, he likes to talk, and Greg doesn't like to hear it sometimes. I'll tell you what. Greg wrote a post on your rare Sunday shift.

That was that, by the way. I like a Sunday shift. You know, you're kind of off on your own. You're just doing your own thing. It's quiet. Your family. He's looking for you. He was like, where is Papa?

I worked out. I'm writing about Rex Ryan in May. I've worked a lot of these issues. I did have someone, I did have someone respond to me when a J. Jayae post went up, you know, that he's separating from the pack. Someone just responded, like, go outside. Anyway, so Rex talked to Don Banks of s.i.com. Shack Lawson, of course, the first round pick undergone,

underwent shoulder surgery last week, which the bills caught a lot of bad PR for. Rex says it doesn't change his long-term outlook of the defender that's part of the deal with Shaq we drafted him for the long haul success not for one season they say me and Doug Whaley share the blame you're damn right we do

we'll share the blame that's fine that is such a rexism and then little later in the interview O'Dell Beckham comes up when on the subject of Sammy Watkins of course who suffered the foot injury that's going to lay him out for most of the summer Ryan compared Watkins

to O'Dell Beckham, who missed a bunch of practices, we remember, because of hamstring issues as a rookie before he blew up in 2014. Here's Rex what he said about that. The Beckham kid came out the same year, and he missed how many games with the hamstring issue? Believe me, I was trying to trade for him when he had the hamstring. I was reading the papers, and I was like, well, hell, we'll take him. But Sammy's not going to miss any time.

He's going to be ready to roll when it matters. Ryan said, Greg, tell us why you're annoyed by Rex. Well, it's just such a Rex answer. It's distracting from the entire point. It's making himself look like a hero. I saw headlines that were like, like the Jets. The Jets could have had O'Dell Beckham. You know, Rex, what?

Here's how I translate that. That's bad blogging. Yeah, here's how I translate. Believe me, I was trying to trade with for him when he had the hamstring. I was reading the papers. Maybe once in the office or two, he brought it up to John Idick. Like, I told you we should have taken O'Don Beck. Like, John, wake up.

up wake up i have an idea like this whole quote is a him sticking it to john idzick once again trying to make himself it's not like they picked up the phone and tried to trade for odel beckham because they know that was completely illogical and impossible no one is trading their first round rookie one receiver a couple weeks into his career and it just distracts from the point which is that sammy walkins is heard all the time and that they took a number one draft pick that they said literally right afterwards, the shoulder is not a concern about Shaq Lawson, and he gets surgery that week. And now Rex is backing up and just saying, whoa, put it on me.

Put all the blame on me. You know, Reggie Raglan would have been our first round pick anyway. He threw that one in two. So we feel like we got two first round picks. Well, I feel like I have a master's degree in Rex, and Connor might even have me beat because he actually covered the man. Connor, what do you think? It's not even half-truthers Rex.

It's like half-thoughts. Like he's like, it's almost like a half-speed Robin. Williams, like there's a lot of bizarre stream of consciousness stuff going on, and I think he just doesn't remember a lot of the things that he's saying, even at the beginning of a sentence. And so that's what gets him in trouble sometimes. Well, we all tell, this is a famous Joan Didion quote, Chris Wesleyan would appreciate that one, you know, that we all tell ourselves stories in order to live. Like, everyone does that a little bit.

You kind of recraft your own narrative of your life in order to sort of fit your needs on someone. I think Rex just does that in a really extreme. way publicly. Like, I think he believes all this. Like, he is the star of the Rex Ryan show in his mind, and he creates these little stories, and that's how it goes. But the best part was, there were, like, three teams that did try to trade with the Giants, and the Jets weren't one of them.

Like, they weren't. I mean, like, so you're just making it up at this point. Well, one of the things I did on that Sunday shift, Dan, is you have a little more time. Whoa. Not coming out. Easy there. Was go read the newspapers, and, you know, you check out the different articles, and maybe you're not going to do a post on it.

But one thing I saw. in the Buffalo News was a very anti-Rex and Whaley column from one of their columnists that, like, we can't trust these guys anymore, that they've run out of belief. So I thought that was interesting. And then I saw a mailbag, too, with a lot of Bill's fans, essentially having the same sentiment that these guys, like, they don't know what they're doing or, you know, we can't really trust what they're saying publicly. They're just building up.

And it started to remind me of 2014 in New York or even 2013 that Rex is not really. really gotten out of that phase. It's almost like it's carried over or whatever honeymoon phase there was in Buffalo. It's over. There was. And I remember last summer when I was writing the pain rankings interviewing Luke Russert, who is the son of Tim Russert, who was perhaps the most famous Bills fan, passed away suddenly a few years back.

And Luke is a diehard as well. And I remember asking him about Rex because if you remember the excitement at this time last year, they had rolled out stories that the jet, that the bills had set records for how many season tickets they had sold. And Luke said, oh, if Rex even gets us to the playoffs, we're going to build him a statue. That's how excited people were. But it's funny how the spell wears off quickly. Because he never changes the tune.

It's all the same. Like, we've seen this play out really slowly and painfully in New York over five years. And they're not an untalented team either. If they manage to go 10 and 6, then everyone will love him again. But I just think his act in the way that it ended in New York and it started here in Buffalo that if they don't, if they go seven to nine, there's going to be serious unrest and it might be up two and out. And people forget, and we should move on, but people forget that Rex had four straight seasons with the Jets where they didn't make the playoffs before he got fired. And he only got all that rope because they went to the ASE title game.

The first two years he was there. So really now he's a five-year loser and the bills didn't get any of the playoff glory. So there's no rope to be had. So it kind of makes sense that it barely survived last year. All right, moving on. The NFL owner's spring meetings started this week. One big item on the list, if you love the Super Bowl and NFL. You know, what's going on in the world of the NFL, right, Greg?

Is where Super Bowl 53, 54, and 55 will take place. That will be decided this week in Charlotte at the meetings. And here are the options. Atlanta, Miami, L.A., Tampa, and New Orleans. And of those five, Atlanta, Miami, and L.A. are considered favorites. Atlanta and L.A. because they'll have new stadiums, which the NFL has shown time and time again now that they reward you for that. And Miami, who, after years of not putting in the money into their facility until the point where the Annable said, we're never going to bring the Super Bowl back here until you do it, now they've pumped in almost half a billion dollars into fixing up that stadium in Miami.

They'll probably get one. And Greg, that angers you. doesn't it? Because that means Tampa, who cares? But the New Orleans Saints and their Superdome could be ignored. I'm not giving up on the Saints pulling off an upset. This is going to happen Tuesday, so we'll be quick on it. We can talk about it afterwards.

Tampa has no chance. Atlanta and L.A. are locks, probably for the final two of those Super Bowls because L.A. won't be ready for the first one, and maybe not the second. And so it's really the first one. It'll be Miami versus New Orleans. I think they might want to have a sentimental give Tom Benson. who the league likes. He's 88 years old.

People love New Orleans. You know, Tom Benson, Stephen Ross, let's go with Benson. I mean, give the great city of New Orleans. That should be the city that has a Super Bowl just scheduled every five years or whatever. Miami can wait, South Florida. Well, I mean, I'm with you. Of all the Super Bowl cities, and I've been to five now, New Orleans was the best suited for the week of insanity that is Super Bowl week.

But you have to factor in. There was probably some, you know, handshake agreement. with dolphins ownership, Gloria Stephan, Mark Anthony, and the entire sound machine down there. And if you fix up this dump, we're going to take care of you because... Generally, yeah. That's generally how it works. But I think New Orleans has a small chance to pull the upset

and get the third of it. Atlanta and L.A., those seem like locks. I think that the Superdump's still grounded because of the power outage. How about that? I think it's a decade-long grounding they're going to get. Please. It's just bad luck. And lastly, guys, one last note.

J.J. Watt announced this weekend that he has a new logo. It is, it was posted on his Instagram account with the caption, My Logo, My Vision, My Goals, hashtag Hunt Greatness. And it's two Js back to back. If you turn it over, it kind of looks like, oh, hell, I don't know, a butterfly. An M? Didn't they say it was something to do with to the Wisconsin? Oh, the logo is designed to look like rising buildings built from the bottom up,

a metaphor for work ethic for what? This is from ESPN, who was a walk-on before he received a scholarship at the University of Wisconsin. And here's the Corker, Connor, where I'm going to read the quote from J.J. Wattie told this to, I guess, Darren Ravell. I have always dreamed of being able to use my experience to create something truly great, something I believed would legitimately improve people's performance and training. I wanted the ability to put my own personal stamp of approval on tools that I thought would help people perform better, and that is what this logo has allowed me to do.

Tools. I wish you weren't a liar. Tool is right. He's so good at pretending he's not kind of a goober, but he is. Isn't he so bad at pretending that he's not a goober? He's just like, oh, you know, the fans want to know. And it's like, your fans aren't up at 1230 when you're Snapchat and them from the wait room. You know, I mean, they're not up there.

that late i don't know listen to an all-time athlete but we want to see you you know be real with us this logo is not this got you you guys especially uh dan you were fired up i don't know the quote that the logo has allowed him to reach out to people and help them

perform better that's like something someone got in his ear some one of his 17 brand managers and he's just regurgitating and it doesn't make him seem like an authentic person i'm sorry brand copy is never good you know and but That is all time.

That is... When you see it, you know I personally have a hand in the product's creation and I give it my personal stamp of approval. It sounds like he's making like a political stance or something. It's like this... I endorse this logo. And plenty of guys have logos. Like Tom Brady has a silly logo who wear it on a hat all the time, TB12.

But Tom Brady, at least those people that don't have him giving interviews where he sounds like a public relations assistant. I mean, you just got to pull back a little bit. I don't know. He's too busy in the kitchen, you know, cooking up those recipes for that. Yeah. Oh, the cookbook? Oh, yeah.

Little Himalayan salt, no egg bread. You were saying it's sold out. Connor, you wanted to buy one, one of the Tom Brady cookbooks, but it's just sold out. Not only is it's sold out, but the pre-order for the reprint is sold out because it's a living document. You really want this book, huh? Yeah. It's only 80 pages right now, but then you get exclusive access to new recipes after the fact. It's like the life of Pablo.

It keeps changing well after it's released. All right. So that's what's happening in the news. A lot of news. Let's move on now and talk about who are the Cinderella's and who are the Pumpkins. Connor, or this is how many pieces are you doing this week? Five, one for every day of the week. Marron.

So you started out on Monday with a piece on the Jacksonville Jaguars. How do we want to do this? Do we want to go team by team each of the five teams? teams. All right, let's start with the Jags, and you could see this. Is there a vanity URL involved here? There will be. There will be. Okay, for now. How about NFL.com slash Cinderella?

That's the vanity URL. We'll get that done. And if you want to see Connor's entire library, nfl.com slash or or are you kidding me? All right, let's start with the Jags, 5 and 11 last season. And we all know what they've done. Even though Jalen Ramsey now is on the shelf, they think he'll get how. healthy after that knee surgery and be a contributor this year, but they had an offense that was, you know, one of the most potent in the league at times last year, and now they have a defense that's loaded with some talent, and they're getting Dante Fowler back. So a lot of people are

buzzing, Connor, about the Jags. And guess what? You believe in them, too, because your 2016 projection is 9 and 7, which might not be enough to get to the playoffs, but it's a step in the right direction. That's why I have him as a Cinderella this year. I mean, I think that the plan all along was for this team to put everything into making their moves this year. They still think the division is up for grabs. And, you know, Jalen Ramsey or not, I don't put a lot of stock into what one rookie cornerback, how he can impact the defense necessarily.

Number five pick of the draft and a potential starter, but it sounds like he has a good chance of being ready for the start of the season. We just don't know. He's going to miss some offseason work. They lost the seventh round. There's something bad about, they just have bad luck. They had lost a seventh round pick for the season on Monday.

to an Achilles injury. It's just like something bad in the water. But you're right, they're just loaded up. You've been buying in for the Jaguars for years, though. You and Wend and Sessler. We did. London was our time to really kind of fall in love with the Jaguars. We really like the people in England,

one of their favorite things about them is that they believe that we mispronounce the name. Jaguar. Yeah, and so that's really what started Sessler and I on that path. But seriously, I mean, they've spent well at the top end of free agent markets over the last two years. They have good young players, not crappy old players on bad deals anymore.

Does it worry you that everyone's in on them? Always should be a red flag. Are we going to give a yay or nay? Are you saying yay or nay on the Jaguars? I hesitate only because the Jaguars are the Jaguars and the idea of, you know, everyone thinking they're going to be good. It really does in a division that is probably going to be better.

probably even I won't give that completely a lot of people think all of a sudden the afc south is just this awesome division which is going to have three playoff teams but I do I'm with Connor on this in the sense that I think they could definitely flirt with 10 wins of things go the right direction I think nine's probably the number I'd go with so I don't know if that counts as a Cinderella story but certainly I think keeps Gus Bradley's job I think for that team nine wins nine wins would be a huge nine wins is a yay I'm feeling I'm excited I think there'll be a lot of fun to watch you know seven or eight feels a little.

All right, give me another team that's coming up this week on NFL.com. Next, we have the Titans. All right, so let's talk about the Titans. Another team now that people are excited about, what do you think, Cinderella or a pumpkin? In this case, I said Cinderella, but just because I'm having them double their win total from the year before, I have them at six wins.

That's not a Cinderella? What kind of game is this? Cinderella is a team that goes from rags to riches. That's true. The 1991 Minnesota Twins, that was Cinderella, baby. The Cinderella story isn't like she got her weekends off, but she still had to stay being the maid. You're going to get the print.

This is like a pumpkin hummus then. It's sort of an in-betweener, you know. But I think this team is a lot better than they were a year before. Pumpkin hummus. They're good enough to double their win total. I think that's a great Cinderella story. And it might, like we said, keep Mike Malarkey's job, too, because, I mean, he's the cheapest coach by millions of dollars in the NFL right now.

We should find some type of middle ground between Cinderella and Pumpkin, because that's a six-win team. Well, if we're talking about Buzz and a team taking a big leap, I'm not buying the Titans. I think their defense, there's not a lot to get excited about. Like, there's more players than you think, but there's not a lot of really plus players. I think they're kind of where Jacksonville was a year or two ago,

where people kind of get excited. Two years away. They certainly have Marcus Marriota who's exciting. They have some young offensive talent. Maybe Dorio Greenbeckham will be good this year, but I don't think they're... If Wes was here, he would be in on Cinderella, and that's understandable because West believes that Marcus Marriota could potentially be a guy that's like an MVP conversation. Sure. And I think down the road, Marcus Mariole can be that guy if he can stay healthy.

Two words, though, why this is a pumpkin still. Mike Malarkey. No. I mean, I'll say it again. Again, I've said it on the podcast five times. That team was not playing hard for Michael Malarkey last year. He's shown he has a track record of failure in the NFL, and to think that all of a sudden this coach that has stunk his entire pro career

is now going to all of a sudden turn into this guy that's building a giant in the AFC. I think the true build, rebuild for the Titans comes once they get in some real coaches and proficient player people in that building. I love the idea that this season is going to be Mike Malarkey. He's, like, magnum opus. He's going to have some incredible, like, you know, they're building this, like, power spread offense, exotic smash mouth that's going to run over the entire division.

You know, it's... Malarkey hasn't stunk in his career. I think that's his problem, though, is he's a very middle of the road. Well, he was, what, 2 and 14 in Jacksonville? Well, yeah, that wasn't good. His one year in Jacksonville. I'm going to pull up his football reference. And certainly didn't light up the Falcons when he was a coordinator there.

He's just kind of a keep-the-train moving. He's professional. he's just there. I'm not going to get into his work as a coordinator. I mean, just as a head coach in the NFL, he doesn't have a lot of success. And he didn't, to me, show anything that meant he should be keeping the job after his interim job. 9 and 7 is first year in Buffalo in 2014. Then they dropped to 5 and 11.

He got canned. Now he left. Oh, he left. That's right. The rare, rare move. He quit. In 2012, he resurfaces as a head coach, goes 2 and 14. It gets canned

And then goes two and seven and nine games last year So, you know, 18 and 39 in four years Maybe it turns around Maybe this is this Pete Carroll moment, you know? Perhaps, you're right. I mean, Carol is the perfect example Of the kind of middling to loser coach That changes everything.

Well, except for all of his national championships. I'm just saying there was track record. I don't talk about coordinator jobs. I don't talk about college jobs. I talk about when you're the big chair in the NFL, Greg. I'm saying Carol gave you some reason the belief that malarkey has not okay uh who else do we have on this list the rams all right let's talk rams i have a big time uh pumpkin grade on the rams wow where where i am still riding

because i was ground floor uh jags like i was into the jags when they were playing small shows you know like a long time ago but now everyone is ground floor rams i am so out i don't think this is going to work at all i have five wins projected for next year and why is that i don't think that they have a good secondary, and I also don't think that what can you reasonably expect from a rookie quarterback now? I mean, I know you're Andrew Lux of the world, your Matt Ryan's can get you 11 and

five seasons right out of the gate. A rookie quarterback without a great receiver or a tight end too. And he played at the top of the depth chart. I mean, you make a good point. I mean, if he has a because, you know, let's say he has a Mark Sanchez type rookie season

where it's injury filled, but he stays on the field and plays just good enough to stay on the field, Then you need the running game to be, what, like super dynamic. Todd Gurley's got to have one of the best seasons of the late. He's got to have a DeMarco Murray year. And you don't think that's coming. I think he might get close, but then still, I mean, where's your Des Bryant?

Where's your offensive line? Where's your Jason Witten? I mean, there's just not enough complimentary pieces around to make him work. And I think they're going to end up starting probably two rookie tight ends, if not at least one. And, you know, and Tavon Austin, it's been hard for him to other quarterbacks to get him the ball for four years. This doesn't sit well with Greg Rosenthal,

who is a believer in the race. I wouldn't go that far. I was last year, certainly. I think it's more likely that they stay right on this 7-8-win path. I do. I mean, they did lose a couple pieces in the secondary. They have some great pieces on defense

with Donald and Quinn and Ogletree and all that. But to me, it all adds up to another mediocre campaign. It'll be interesting to see how they treat Jeff Fisher if that happens, but that's a long way away. But you're saying, Connor, that forget about 7 and 9, this could be a true regression. They're going to get worse this year. Five and 11. Mm.

You sound confident. You know, what does Vicki Valancourt say at the end of Waterboy? That's what it's going to be. I mean, that's a little tease to horrible movies right there by Connor. All right. Let's move on. Who else we got? The Buccaneers.

Oh, the Bucks. I've also got, you know, so I guess now that we're really kind of forcing me to kind of tow the line here. I mean, I have them projected at eight wins, but I think that's a pumpkin season for the Buccaneers. I think that everybody thinks that James Winston is going to be able to get them into the playoffs this year. That's their best season in a while.

It's a first-time head coach, you know, a new defensive coordinator. I think they'd be happy. They would take eight wins with a young. I mean, it kind of goes along with the, hey, we're young, and we're building. You're young-ry thing. I think this division's a weird division. I don't know what to think about the Bucks.

I don't have a hot take on the bucks because they should be exciting I mean they should they have Levante David they have Gerald McCoy they have Mike Evans they have James Winston they have these like cornerstone

guys Doug Martin but after after that I don't know I got to see it to believe I don't believe it I mean you just name the guys they have a chance and I think Mike Evans could have a nice bounce back season this year and he wasn't even that bad last year they could score a lot of points if James Winston takes the next step as a pastor

and he's there I mean I know they lost their last five games or whatever last year, and that got love he can. But I thought that Winston showed a lot. And Wes, who's, you know, I put a lot of stock into what he looks like. He looked at every snap, both Marriota and Winston last season. And he came out of it kind of, you know, in terms of a coin flip, in terms of who he thought had a better year. And he was a big fan of Winston.

So I think there's plenty of reason to think that they can improve a lot. No pumpkin. Bad secondary. they've been looking for defensive ends for years. They added... Robert Ayers. Spence and Robert Ayers, so maybe that'll work, but they haven't really had a pass rush.

No pass rush, no secondary. That's a bad comment. That's not... But Lovie's defense was so bad that it's kind of like the Saints that the Saints just think, look, we've had the worst defense to link two straight years.

If we can improve to the 21st best defense, we could be a playoff team, and that's kind of like the Bucks. If they could just improve to average on defense, they could be okay. What I don't like about the Bucks, though, is that their fans are now chiming in. now it's cool to be a fan of a building team.

And it's like, look at how many first-year starters are GM drafted in, like, the process. And it's like, you know, you got to hold on to something. Come on. You know, just get over it. By the last buck's win happened, I believe, in late November. And it was a dramatic victory, if I recall. And I remember there was the locker room video of James Winston, like, yelling and everyone excited. Lovie Smith of the big smile on his face.

you think Lovie had any idea six months later he'd be coaching the University of Illinois Yeah That's crazy And you mentioned that all the fans are excited And that got me thinking about Like why they would be so excited I don't think people realize how bad the bucks have been

They've been last place for five straight years But then if you really think back to the end of the Gruden era They have done a worse job building And having continuity than any team in the league Gruden to Morris to Shiano to Lovie, and there's about three or four, three GMs stuck in there. So they've done the opposite of building. So maybe they feel like this group with, I think Jason Light gives off an air of competence

and has done an okay job, that maybe at least they have something that's going to stick for a little while. And the final team, Connor, on your breakdown this week, Cinderella's and Pumpkins, who you got? The Raiders. I'm going to take a guess at this because I think the Raiders are what Connor's going to say, because I think the Raiders are almost, you know, universally hailed as a team that's going to all of a sudden be in the playoff mix,

nine or ten wins, and you agree, don't you got it? I do, but almost begrudgingly because I said, you know, doing this is almost frustrating because I feel like they're not going to live up to these expectations. Well, you had all these teams improving. You just think everyone's going to be happy and... Except for the Rams. Except for the Rams. That's right.

I mean, I have some teams improving, some teams not meeting expectations. And then, you know, the Raiders I have at nine wins, but I feel like a lot of people are pegging them as like a 10-11 win team. I just, I don't know. There's something that's not getting me 100% there, but I think they should make the playoffs. That division is wide open. So not quite Cinderella, but, you know, a big step up to season. I say Cinderella. If they make the playoffs or they win nine games and get within a game, I think that's a Cinderella.

I think their starting lineups are awesome. And with a little help with injuries, out of these five teams, I think they're easily the best team. and I think I'd vote a yay. I'd put it over 10 months or so. I am going to talk to our social media team, Greg, when we sell this podcast because this pull code, I think their starting lineups are awesome. That's a pretty bold state.

Is that a cool word to use anymore? Not really. That's what I'm saying. I don't know if I like that. You want to say something else? You want to replace the word and we'll use that? It really cracked us up once there was a lunch lady who told us, It told us one day that the Croutons that day.

The Croutons are awesome. What? I don't make fun of that. The Croutons. I don't know why she said Croutons, but. Yeah. That was what I knew. Awesome was not really that cool word.

It's a memorable moment for you. That's good. It'll score. If you want to, like, update Awesome for this millennium or this decade, you could be like. Dope. Yeah, you can say dope. I think their starting lineups are dope. Or you can say, I think their starting lineups are killing it.

I like that. People are big on killing it right now. Everybody's got to calm down a little bit with killing it because it's not that great in terms of an expression. It's being used now by, like, you know, like baby boomers. A savage is another one. Hey, by the way, just mildly disagreed with anything. It's not savage.

Oh, wow, that's savage. It's all I see is savage. Savage, bro. You're killing it. I hope these words don't make their way out east. I think you guys kind of get everything first. You don't got killing it out there? Not yet, but, you know.

Brandon's never looked at us Like we're any older than right now I think he's embarrassed You gotta have the Vince LaBardi drop buddy Well I mean I'm never embarrassed by you guys I just want to say that Thanks All right before we go

Let's now That's it for the Cinderella's and pumpkins I didn't hear actually one Cinderella there I don't even know But I think we might have to take this entire series In a different direction Cinderella is supposed to make a Super Bowl run That's what Cinderella is about

Or like At least progress into the playoffs You know when you have a good idea and then you talk it out and realize it's a horrible idea? I think that's played out and live on the podcast. Nobody making a playoff. We're going to playoff game. Check out NFL.com. Just got to change the titles, you know, spin a little different trendy teams or something.

All right, let's talk about some Audible movies. All right, so you know the deal if you're a listener of this show. Connor Orr, this is a couple of months back now, was looking for kind of an off-season thing to tackle, to spend some time. He doesn't have any kids yet. He's married, but no kids. He's got a dog, right? There's only so much you need to do with a dog.

So you have plenty of time. So he was going to tackle AFIs. The American Film Institute's top 100 movies of all time who's going to just blow through the list so he could feel a little bit more cultured when it comes to the silver screen. Strangely, we haven't really heard anything about horrible movies. You know, we'll check in with them on our IM client,

and you haven't heard much. So now, Connor, that we have you here, we need an update. It's like when corporate calls you in to explain something that's going awry in the business. We've called you and to find out what's up with horrible movies. To ask me what I've actually been doing. Yeah, what you've been up to, Conner? What is it that you do here, Conor?

So I got through five, and so this is kind of a two-parter. The majority of them are so stupid that I'm going to give you kind of my five hot picks for the summer of just any movies, kind of some Connor or favorites. But, you know, we can kind of, I guess, parse out the top five a little bit and just... The top five of the AIFI list. But you did watch the top five. I saw the top five. Yeah.

So you started, the idea was you were going to do it. I saw most of the top. So you went from 100 to most of the top five movies. So you really scaled the ambition here. Okay. So like on the AFI list, number five, singing in the rain, which is classified as a comedy, I watched like 25 minutes of it.

I didn't laugh. And I realized it's kind of like, since we were talking about pitchfork earlier, it's like the pitchfork equivalent of putting like an animal collective song. in the top five songs and being like but it was so important for the future and it's like this movie was just dumb wasn't funny it was just a bunch of old people singing and getting wet you know so agree to disagree on that one but i'm gonna it this is your segment so singing in the rain uh good meta move was horrible too not horrible horrible horrible it was horrible okay jean kelly o'connor debby reynolds rolling over in their collective grades they'll share one good all right next next up on your list so Sing of the Rain, no good. Okay. Number four was the only one that was good. Bobby D.

Raging Bull. Nothing wrong with that, man. That's a great movie. Jersey guy coming out. The only problem, though, the fighting scenes were not great. You know, if you watch a boxing movie, you're kind of out there looking for that ridiculous,

rocky thing where if it happened to someone in real life, they'd die, you know, in the ring. Yeah, right. And that many punches. That's kind of the aesthetic that you're going for, but it was good. At the time, I think the fight scenes people thought were revolution. You know, they were, it was known for it.

I think they were viewed to be incredibly kind of visceral and important at the time. But what you're saying is it wasn't as good as the Avengers or something like that. Yeah, Creed. Well, Creed actually is they kind of reinvented the in-ring fights to the point where Michael B. Jordan actually took a knockout punch and they kept it in the movie. Good. But, yeah, you're saying... I don't like him, but that's what you should be doing.

Yeah, you're saying Bobby D. didn't sell it well enough. Or Scorsese. I'd like to see him take a few more hits to the knock. But you liked it. You liked that. It was good. It still rated ahead of the final 70 minutes of singing in the rain that you didn't watch. Good Lord, yeah.

If you gave, wait, if you gave, if you gave a Raging Bowl a letter grade, what would it be? I would say like a B minus. Okay. Next up. Next up is the Godfather. Okay, I mean, that's a classic. It's fine, but you're going to have the Godfather die in a, wheezing in a tomato patch

like he's like uh you know like sitting there like you can't come on con that's a bad job by you the godfather is it cannot be argued that that's one of the great films of all time yeah i i liked it you know the don the don passed away he was an old man who survived an assassination attempt

and he had to the only way to move the movie forward is to let uh his son take over if you you know and i understand like you know people like oh it symbolizes the passing passing of time in a a place of growth in a growing tomato patch but he's dying or whatever

and it's like no you know have him go down like Scarface you know a little blow little machine gun you know I haven't really kind of fired up a little bit you know this is this is very millennial right now okay so

not a good grade for the godfather okay next what was your grade for the godfather I guess C plus you know all right what else

Casablanca Uh, just CASA boring, you know. They just get on the plane or don't get on the plane. You know, I didn't really understand that one. Yeah, be honest, you didn't watch one minute of Casablanca. I watched probably like 25 minutes of Casablanca. Yeah. That sounds like a lie.

Why should we trust your opinion on movies again? How did this happen? Yeah, you haven't heard by Hot Picks, though. Okay. Well, what about? By the way, I'm 30 seconds away from getting Spice Rack on the phone. Oh, God. What's the last movie?

What's the last? Top five. Citizen Kane. Oh, yeah. Obviously, Citizen Kane, widely regarded as one of the great achievements in the history of the cinema. There's nothing bad you can say about that. I just think we need to redo the list because we're basing things off of how important they were at a time for now and how influential they are. But, you know, that's not even a criticism of Citizen Kane.

You didn't see that movie. Yes, I did. I did. I did see Citizen Kane. Yeah, it was a sled, you know? You know, the whole movie, it's a sled. It's like, okay. I'm not with you on Signing of the Rain. I think that holds up great.

I am with you at this point. If you watch Citizen Kane. Like slides down the common manner. Whatever. It's entertaining. Citizen Kane, it is different. You know, you might have watched it in film class or something like that. That's right.

But it's, you know, it doesn't mean you're going to have a jolly good time watching it. Let's be honest. I didn't see the movie. I did watch the movie. I made it through four minutes of my film Appreciation Class in College. We watched the first scene of American Beauty, and then I just got up. I said, I can't take this, and I left the class. Can I just put this out there?

Your whole, and we do want to hear your five picks for the summer, but the whole idea of horrible movies was for you to gain culture and to watch different types of cinema and appreciate films in a way maybe a true buff does. It doesn't sound like you ever really gave the exercise a chance. Well, no, I think what I'm doing is I'm providing a service. And for people who are trying to do the same kinds of things that I am, I'm here to show you that, you know, I've got five great easy rockers for you to bang out this summer.

And you know, and you don't have to worry about culture with other people. All right, let's hear it. Here, all right. So number five, the best cast sports movie of our generation, Angels in the Outfield, which is a great, like, early 90s. So you have major issues with Marlon Brando dying in the godfather, but Tony Danza dies and Angels in the Outfield, and you're cool with it. Spoiler alert.

Tony Danza plays fireball pitcher, Mel Clark, who gets them all the way to the World Series. And then, yeah, he's a smoker. And so... All of our spoiler alerts are after we spoiled it. Yeah. Tony Danza's character smoked throughout the entire film. I think that's, you know, it was foreshadowing. And even for a movie, for a PG movie, for a young kid.

I mean, that's some big stuff. All right, what's the fourth movie? Something's got to give Diane Keaton and Jack... What? What did that come from? I would say, you know, you want a classic love story, kind of a modern love story, it involves kind of instant messaging, email, old people.

You're a Keaton fan in general. You find her alluring. I would say, like, if I was 70, And I was going to a movie to look for like a best-looking 70. That would be her. That would be, she would be my Angelina Jolie for that age bracket. Okay. Interesting.

All right. Number three. Draft Day. Classic. Kevin Costner. Just, I mean, I've watched it in English and Spanish. You're talking about this draft day? You're out of your mind.

Yeah, I am. Haven't I proved that already? Great movie. So quotable. You know. We quote Mark's review of it all the time. Is that even a top five Kevin Costner's sports movie? Oh, I think so.

It holds up. It's terrible. It's a terrible movie. It's so bad. They saw it for free. They let us see it for free, and I barely made it through it. God, or fight through this negativity. We're going to do it.

By the way, would you say one last thing on draft day? Would you say that it's full of heart from start to finish? Because that's what Mark's in. I agree. I agree. Number two. I think I'm going to redeem myself. a little bit with this one because it was also critically acclaimed.

One IMDB commenter said it was the greatest character-driven film of all time. So, number two is heat. All right, the De Niro, Pacino, Michael Mann, I believe. Michael Mann, written and directed. I mean, I don't even know what this list is. It's just great movies or your favorite movies? I don't even know what it is. These are in lieu of, you know, if you're going to try to do what I did and call to yourself this summer.

Here's five. Watch these instead. Watch these instead. instead of the AFI list. All right. Everybody likes heat. You like heat? Oh, you haven't seen yet, Greg.

You should see heat. I should. That's all I really got. Skip Angel in the Outfield and check out the last great Pacino De Niro movie. And the number one, kind of an L.A. flavor starring one of my favorite actresses, The Canyons with Lindsay Lohan. That is kind of mixes in the modern day elements of love and jealousy and texting. And, oh, it's great.

It seems to be a trend. You look for movies with texting. Modern elements of love. If it has texting, I like it. Well, you're a big Brad Aston Ellis fan, right? You like American Psycho. This is written by him. He thought this movie was very misunderstood.

I have been meaning to see it just to see. It was so good they didn't put it in theaters. They put it right on to your TV. I saw a few scenes from that film, and it didn't look like it was shot with cameras that were used in Hollywood typically. seen a little bit on the low budget side that's all i think it yeah to me it's like movie chaos i love it it's great all right so rules of attraction you ever see that if you're looking

that is an under a sneaky bradestinellis penned uh i enjoyed that based on his book a little bit dark all right i don't know what to say sorry sorry everyone that is horrible movies with so sorry connor or uh i don't know i don't think the feedback's going to be great on twitter i think people are going to have an issue with your list i'm not coming back on wednesday let's favorite uh we're gonna have you on unless you know i've never seen now i know a godfather fan kills jack is gonna feel like if he ever comes home with a bad report card like that'll be the same reaction that they just gave you for the last five minutes five felt like an hour no i'm saying the reaction i like i enjoyed it connor very entertained i'm talking about you know the cinnifiles

out there that that love the silver screen they're going to be pretty disgusted with you if they're of the show Seinfeld sucks too I don't care the man okay okay Connor will be back in Wednesday perhaps to redeem himself

after what happened at the end of today's show and it will be West will be back as well so we'll have four horsemen another turn of the Rubik's Cube until then

this is Dan Hansa signing off for Mr. Orable himself Connor Orr and the boss and the Irishman behind the glass till Wednesday until Wednesday

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