NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2016 NFL Draft Pressure Points

Episode Date: April 13, 2016

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler break down the latest news from the NFL, including Josh Gordon’s suspension and the Patriots releasing Dominique Easley. Then, the heroes discuss if the NFL has a player with the same résumé as Kobe Bryant before wrapping the show previewing the 2016 NFL Draft with NFL Network producer Michael Berger.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Around the NFL podcast isn't flawed enough for Chris Wesley. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. Is that true? Is that true, Wes?

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You don't mess with them because they just go around hurting people. They're irredeemable. It's about, me well to clarify for anyone you know listening for the first or tenth time you prefer a woman that has some flaws no one said you were looking for uh that we weren't broken enough for you we just weren't flawed enough for you because we're because i think what it's saying is as a podcast we're perfect you want something a little less perfect i i disagree with that i think the podcast is flawed and recognizes its flaws yes i think the podcast is uh so we're in a good spot

weird wormhole right off the top so if we if we were if we were If you were a woman, you would go out with us. Oh, yeah. I'd wine and dine us. That's sexy. And I don't do much whining and dining. Wow. Wes expects the women to come straight to him.

You know, he's not going to try to impress them with fancy meals. Well, it's worked at it a number of times. I'm willing to, once they show that they're worth it. But I feel like, especially in L.A. in this dating pool, you have to weed out the really shallow women. And, you know, first date, dive bar. Let's see if you're willing to get down with the people. That was Wes's dating podcast, now available on iTunes. This is the Wednesday edition of the Around the NFL podcast.

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we go Burger King i don't believe in their product at all but i would take their money Okay, yeah, or Burger King. Terrible product. Okay, we got it, buddy. They're not going to sponsor. I'm not going to get a sponsorship when you're saying that. I'm just saying, I don't believe, I believe in the transaction, not what they're doing. On today's show, we are going to get into a little draft talk.

The draft is coming up, guys. I believe it is a week from two weeks from Thursday. Is that one of this? That is absolutely correct. Okay, so it's coming up. And so we should, we've been checking in here and there in the last month or so with the help of some experts in and around the building of NFL media. We are lucky enough to have a lot of people under this roof that know what they're talking about when it comes to college. And in the podcast studio today, we'll have Michael Berger.

We just call him Berger. He is the producer of a great program, Greg, called Path to the Drap. That's on Monday through Friday at what time? It is at 3 o'clock Pacific, 6 o'clock Eastern daily. Daniel Jeremiah, our friend who hosts the Move the Sticks podcast. This is really Moved the Stick season right now, draft season. But he's the star, I would say, of the path. You know, Bucky Brooks in there?

Yeah, no offense to Bucky, but, you know, DJ gets more screen time. And DJ carries himself in a different way on the campus here at NFL Media. If you notice, there's a little air about him. Ever since he was offered jobs to run the front office in Tampa. and Philadelphia. Yeah, so we're going to talk a segment we're going to call Draft Trigger Points with Burger. So get ready for that.

Yeah, and we won't even get into what that means. I thought it was pressure points. Yeah, it is pressure points. Listen, draft, it's too late now. It's trigger points. No, I feel like pressure points is better. You like the alliteration. Yeah, plus trigger has some bad connotations.

What? Gun triggers and whatnot. Oh, boy. It's like the PC pod with Greg lately. No, it's not PC. See, I'm just saying I like the sound pressureful. Still recovering from you throwing me under the bus of that Japanese pop music. Yeah, that was, I spoke too soon.

I actually asked my wife, Emeka, if she had heard of, I think the song was Pond, Pond, Pond, Pondon, Pond. Didn't know the song, but when I gave her, you know, the name of the artist, she had heard of her. I wouldn't say she was a fan, but we found out she has four million Twitter followers, so she has plenty of fans out. What is her equivalent in American music? I didn't ask that question. based on the amount of Twitter followers and just listening to her. It would seem like a Selena Gomez type maybe.

Oh, Gomo's sign me up. She has like 30 million followers. Well, I was just thinking of like a young sort of airy pop star. Okay. So she's got like 3.85 million followers more than Greg. Wait, that almost, I'll take that as a compliment. Yeah, there you go. Take it.

Take it, buddy. All right, and we're also going to do some news. And before we do that, let's go behind the glass. Say hi to the Irishman. What's up, buddy? Nothing much, Dan. How are you doing? I'm doing great.

I'm doing great. Brandon is on our softball team. Season kicks off tomorrow, Thursday, and, you know, everybody looked good in our first practice, Wes. Yeah, I thought we looked pretty good. We got a lot of infield practice in. We came out to the field. We started to take batting practice, and little kids from Culver City started to swarm the area and just took over everything.

We couldn't get much accomplished. Little monsters. Kids wanting to play games on a field. Monsters. Little news. Let's do it. We start on the throne of sleeves. Pretty gruesome stuff.

Yeah, this is... Wait a minute. Ooh, there's nobody left. The New England Patriots used a first round pick on Dominique Easley in 2014, and Easley did show some, some ability flashed ability over his first two seasons missed games with injuries you expected him to be a big part of their rotation in 2016 but then the news this dropped shortly before we came upstairs a big surprise easily was released by the new england patriots is reported by

rap sheet on wednesday um comcast sports net new england first reported the news tommy currant tommy and uh this is the same dominic easily who had tore his ACL and boltney's college and ended his 2014 season with a knee injury towards quad in 2015. However, this cannot just be an injury thing, right, Mark? Well, yeah, I mean, the timing of it, I mean, right? The minute this happened, 4,000 beat writers in unison, oh, there must be something else going on here. Wait, I beat all those beat writers to that take.

All right, Wes, then 4,000 beat writers. So basically, West said it, and then everyone else copied West. That's what about you, Greg? I agree with that. West said, as we were talking about it before the podcast, you don't just cut guys in April for injury-related reasons. He tore his quad, but we knew that months ago. He's a first-round pick only entering the third year of a pretty cheap contract.

Cap issues is not, if anything, they're accelerating their cap hit in the short term by cutting him. So it's curious, and it's especially curious because he played so well last year. Pro football focus noted per snap, only JJ Y. was more productive as a pass rusher, according to their metric. Now, obviously, no one's saying he's the second. According to the game film I watched, he was easily the Patriots most effective interior rushes. Certainly their best interior rusher.

One of their best defensive players per snap. And per snap is key because he only, you know, he's missed half the games almost in his career. He only played 275 snaps. He tore his ACL twice in college, both knees. So he's had injuries going on forever. Tom Curran, who broke the story, added an update after we came up here. that he called it.

Well, we knew that he wrote this story, by the way, when you went, Curr Dog or whatever. Tommy! Tommy! Tommy! Tom Curran's the best best guy out there in the country. We got it, we got it. Philosophical differences on following injury programs, et cetera.

That was... He said that's part of it. That was my first inclination. Whenever you hear the Patriots surprisingly cut someone, isn't it because they won't get with the program in some kind of way? Either they want too much money, they're not about the team,

or in this case, He's probably not following the regimen laid out by the Patriots medal. Also could have, you know, shown some personality, you know, been an actual human being. A lot of things can happen on Patriot Way. Yeah, I could only imagine how that throne of ease music would sound if the Patriots had only won, what, how many playoff games in the last 15 years? This is where I know it's working when he gets all upset. I mean, they've all, they trade away Chandler Jones. Suddenly, I wonder if you're the Patriots, if it forces.

you to think about the draft a little differently to find people that can get to the quarterback. Well, I would say defensive tackle was a huge need for them, even before this. It's been a huge need for them. That's why they've spent their last two first round picks on defensive tackles. Dominic Easley, Malcolm Brown, and it wouldn't surprise me if they take a defensive tackle pretty high in the draft again, because behind them, you really just have some kind of spot-get veterans. When you see that they sign Pot roast Knighton, doesn't that immediately trigger the thought they're going to be showing more three-four looks instead of four-three.

Well, that was, there was a bunch of people weighing in saying that, too, that it sounds like they're going to shift over. Well, they're always going to play both. Yeah, whatever works that year. So, yeah, maybe this year their roster will be set up that way. They tend to not be, like most teams, they're going to play 30 or 40 percent one way, 30 or 40 or the other way. They're going to mix it up.

But the next best, really their best defensive tackle last year, overall was probably Allen Branch. Ellen Branch had like an Indian summer kind of year. But it just shows you, I think Malcolm Brown has potential, but it was a position they absolutely needed. So to cut him, not getting with the injury philosophical differences program, I mean, that seems. But if he was lazy and just didn't rehab.

And he has a torn quad. I don't know. I still think there's going to be even more. By the way, the quad connects to the knee where he's had major issues. That's fair. In other Patriots news, we've been wondering how their backfields is going to look because Ligarra Blunt was not attached to the team. Now he is.

He's been reattached to the team. That's one way to state things. Blunt on Tuesday we learned has signed a one-year deal with the Patriots worth up to $2 million. Bert Breer of NFL media added that the deal, $760K and base salary, up to $1 million incentives. Pats later confirmed the signing. Blunt missed most of the back end of last season with a chip. bone in his hip. Rap sheet reports there are no surgery for that,

and he should be ready for OTAs. Greg, are you happy to have Legarap Blunt back in your back? Yeah, why not? Can't hurt. Yeah, he's a good guy to have a good. He's a good for them. Good clubhouse guy. Good for parties.

Well, unless you're on the Steelers. Right. No, I'm saying that's, I mean, he's great for parties. Do you want to drive around before a game? Dogs of the drugs. Yeah. This signing really shakes my confidence in Greg's Patriots analysis. Why?

Because I asked him a month ago when LeBlobun. When Blunt was sitting out there and the Patriots had no backfield. Surely the Patriots are just going to bring Blunt back on the cheap. Craig said, no, I think they've watched it. I am surprised that they're going to bother to bring him back. And it did take him a couple of months. So clearly if any team in the league valued Lagart Blunt,

he would be playing somewhere else. Did he even have another visit? I don't think he did. To me, he has a fairly limited value. But he's just, if you're going to have four running backs, can he be one of them? He fills a role that nobody else in that roster can fill. Right now, yeah.

Yeah, I think they need to draft a running back or two like they have in the past where they drafted too. So to me, it wouldn't, you know, what do you get, $100,000 signing bonus? As a Patriots fan, I would not mind, oh, $1 million in incentives, too. I would not mind one bit if Ligarian Blunt doesn't make the team. That means they're better shape. What if they were like, listen, Gary Blunt and easily, Gary Blunt and easily, you just can't have them in the locker room together. So we just got Gary Blunt back.

Easley's out. My brother Nick will be happy to know you're bringing Gary back. I did that for your brother, Nick. Thank you. There's not enough Gary's in the world anymore. Legary Blunt joins a running back group that includes Dionne Lewis, who's coming back from a tour in ACL, James White, Donald Brown, Brandon Bolden, enjoy you.

Iosepa. That's terrible. It's probably, it's terrible. They'll be fine. They'll be fine that position. I say that almost with respect. to the Patriots that other teams would be screwed with that lineup. But they'll be, Dionne Lewis, if he comes back in full health, I mean, that completely

If they had a better backfield, they might have won the Super Bowl last year. I mean, it was a big factor in them not winning a Super Bowl that was out there to be won. When's the last time you go? Injuries, though. I mean, if Lewis had been healthy, that would have been a completely different situation. And blunt and blunt. When's the last time you saw a backfield is in the playoffs, as poor as the one the Patriots rolled out?

Stephen Jackson walking like two skyscrapers through the field. Well, maybe how about the Steelers the year before when they didn't have Bell? Yeah, that's fair. I mean, if you're going to talk about let's take away the number one and two running back, yeah, it's going to be a bad. Right, but you're talking about a guy Dionne Lewis who was just a shot in the dark who started training camp fifth in the depth chart that had injury problems. So look, it's better to have guys with some pedigree without all those injury problems, obviously.

Josh Gordon missed all of last season suspended. after failing an alcohol test had not been reinstated yet. And you started to wonder why hadn't that happened? And we got some light shined on that situation on Monday or Tuesday, I should say. Rapsheet reported that Gordon failed another drug test last month. The test showed traces of marijuana and dilute, which could be used to mask substances. As a result of this test, Gordon, his apple. for reinstatement has been denied until August 1st league spokesman told Rappaport he can reapply after that date.

So there is good news, there's bad news, obviously, that it doesn't appear that Gordon still doesn't have his head on straight. The good news, I guess if you're a Browns fan, and certainly Josh Gordon, is that he is still has a chance it appears to play this upcoming season, but he's got to, by the time August 1st comes around, he needs to have everything together and not give them another reason, Mark. I mean, from another angle, I think anyone still having any hopes tied to Josh Gordon needs to check themselves at the door. Because even if he were to pass this next thing by August 1st, he just sits out there if you're trying to build a team as an absolute hazard, because at any moment it feels like he's going to get banged with another suspension. Three years in a row, he did. Now, when he played, he missed two games and still led the league in receiving. So that's tantalizing.

That was also in 2013. But you hold that hope for him. You were really disappointed when this happened. Well, no. I am annoyed that his lack of accountability is annoying to me. And the fact that these players with this drama are attached to the Browns because really they're trying hard to move forward. And, you know, just the same way that people feel there's an entitlement complex to Mansell.

I see it with Gordon too because he's tweeting out, guys, come on, not a real story. in videos of him working out, well, you have a diluted test and you've failed multiple tests. So it is a real story, and you showed no ability to get healthy and get back into football.

Whether or not marijuana should be a banned substance is a whole different subject. Yeah, I think we're going to look back in 20 years and wonder how these careers were ruined by marijuana on one hand, but on the other hand, you mentioned accountability. He's letting down teammates, he's letting down the front office,

he's letting down the coaching staff. and frankly you're not no one told you you have a right to make millions of dollars playing about kids and how crazy is it that this guy under this microscope uh seemingly could not avoid smoking weed or whatever's going out with johnny mansell and what's happening here where he in his mind thought instead of keeping my nose clean i'm going to actually try to you know i'm going to still have fun and try to get away with it it just shows yeah you know he doesn't have good common sense and it's killing the guy i mean it's ruining his career It's insane how long he has not played for by now,

and yet he's on the team. And the Browns don't like being attached to him. Well, they could cut him if they wanted. That's allowed. I'm not saying they don't like it. So they could. He shows ultimately what matters in the NFL, because he's been chosen by the Browns by four different regimes,

two different ownership groups, that he was more valuable than Holmgren. and then Ray Farmer and then Michael Lombardi and all those coaches. He's kept his job this entire time while all of those guys have gotten fired. So Gordon, to the Browns as an organization, has been deemed more important. They lead the league in ghosts. Aren't they still paying Rob Chisinski? Right.

They probably are still paying Romeo Crenel. I mean, Rob Chisinski inherited Josh Gordon. Even he didn't draft him. I mean, it's really crazy. But, I mean, for a team with zero playmakers? No, I get it. Literally zero. It's like, but they're not sitting around. They're not, they have clear about that.

And you're saying that and you're saying don't have hope. They have hope or else he wouldn't be on the team. And you know what I mean? And you have hope as a fan because you're saying that. I don't think he's very expensive, number one. Right. And secondly, he's, his contract tolls. There's no reason to just release him right now necessarily.

Well, there is a reason. If he doesn't get in again. If you're rebooting the machine again. Well, it's, and you want a fresh start. And this guy keeps on getting busted. and it's attaching Europe franchise to his name. Yeah, but what's March biggest fear? A guy going somewhere else and thriving.

Going to the Steelers and leading the NFL and receiving. Also, by the way, up until three days ago, the thought probably with this new group of people was he could be back very soon. And now he could be back in August 1st. If it was he's going to be suspended another year, I think they would cut him. I tend to agree. They might as well keep them. And the August 1st thing really surprised me.

It showed some leniency and flexibility from the NFL that it's not just, not just banished for another year necessarily. The whole thing feels murky, though. We shouldn't assume a ruling will come down in August 1st. No. It could come down in October. And we especially shouldn't assume that he passes whatever tests is in the meantime. Because history would tell you if you're a betting man that he fails test.

That's what he does, so he will fail more tests. I couldn't agree more. I think that he's probably that, you know, he's up there and with Mansell and anyone else in terms of we may never see him play again. The desire does not seem to be there. Moving on. Eddie Lacey, running back for the Green Bay Packers, out of shape for most of the last year and got a ton of criticism, both from the NFL world, the media, and even then his own head coach after the season ended,

as appeared to turn the corner in terms of conditioning. Bert Breer reported this week that Lacey has undergone a transformation, calling it, quote, remarkable, a redistribution of weight from his midsection to his shoulders and arms. Here's what Bert said on NFL HQ on NFL Network. I know the people around Eddie Lacey really feel like the Packers are going to be happy with what they see when Lacey reports on the offseason program next week. So, Chris Wessling, is this a narrative? This would have been good for a buy-seller hold.

Eddie Lacey has lost the weight and is back to being. Eddie Lacey, you believe it. Every ounce of it. No pun intended. But yeah, of course I believe it. I've seen Eddie Lacey play when he's in shape, and he's one of the best running backs in the league. And Mike McCarthy said in February, I have complete faith that Eddie Lacey learned a lesson, that he knows he can't make defenders miss or shake nagging injuries playing 30 pounds overweight. He said, I'll be confident. In April, we're going to see a different guy. And even more in July, when it really matters, we're going to see a totally different guy. He's on that path. putting in the work. Mark's favorite player now, you said.

Well, I mean, so he's done P90X, and I think that if you do, if you look at what happens before and after photos of P90X and if he went through the program, it is, it's excellent for, I can see exactly what he's describing, that it takes whatever is down in your belly area and it melts off and it puts it up into where it's useful, up in your shoulders and arms. You need to get some type of, like, sponsorship yourself, Mark. I am, I am, keep out P90X. Was your P90X experience before or after Josh Gordon led the league in receiving?

What are you saying? Well, I just, like, you have this fond memory of P90s. Oh, well, no, I did it. How long ago was it? I did it when my first son, Luke, was born in 2010, and, like, around, I did P60. Because I got about 60 days in, and then it was over. But I restarted it, and I think that it's a complete CrossFit training. It's great for Lacey.

He's a perfect candidate to do it. Yeah, and I buy it, because I buy it. Because by the time, he's going to get back with the team and then he'll be on the program. I don't know if I buy it long term. It's like, it's one of those things that I buy Eddie Lacey in 2016. Now, if you're a fantasy guy and you're drafted him in 2017 or 18, like, would it shock me if he struggles with his weight again or motivation? Usually those players tend to go up and down throughout their career, but I would bet big on like a big Eddie Lacey there this year. Totally agree with everything you said that.

Moving on. Let's talk a little Odell Beckham, Jr. Former resident of Chris Wessling's Table of Boys. He had his own suite. But you know what? He moved out of the stable of boys. I don't even know if he gave you notice, Wes,

because now he's living... He got kicked out. Because now he's living with a Toronto-based hip-hop star named Drake. Yeah, he got evicted. It's April in the NFL, so we're going to talk about this. Odell Beckham Jr. told Ronda Rousey

of noted television station news gathering source Draft Kings TV that's my guy right there Beckham said of Drake somebody whose mindset is the same as yours and they want nothing but success they want to be the best

we just click on a level like that can you imagine how terrible the conversations private conversations between these two guys are all they're talking about we're going to be great we got to shut out all the haters and be the best

and we're so blessed and we love being the best we're number one I'm out I'm at what is it with we're asking these multi-millionaires over and over in the past couple weeks

who are you living with and all these like dudes are living together all over the place I mean what happened to just I'm rich I bought a house have a nice time It's a great question and you know the video

popped up in social media earlier this week of ODB in a dance party with a bunch of men. And then there was a photo shoot of ODB with some patriots because Stephen Ridley is selling a line of clothing. And they're all around this like pool. And the pool has statues of women that are, I think, mermaids with bikinis.

I mean, I don't know what's going on at Drake's palatial estate. I couldn't disagree more. I want to hear the conversations. I want a reality show Drake's backyard. Who wouldn't watch that? Well, I would not because I have enough Odell Beckman. Drake's backyard, yeah. I mean, what?

Oh, like Drake's an idiot. This is a guy who's come up with a pretty outstanding multimedia career. He's made the transition. No one's expected. I mean, he's doing pretty well. He's pretty successful. Maybe ODB can learn something. What's your point?

I'm not taking shots at, like, Drake is like a hip-hop talent. Well, you say you wouldn't want to hear their conversation. They would be insufferable together. Drake is talented, and O'Dell Beckham is telling it. I don't need to sit them to hear them discussing there. I don't believe for a second that Greg would listen to their conversation. I would watch. How many episodes of this show that you've boiled up would you watch?

How many 23-year-olds do you listen to their conversation? I would watch the show. It would be, I mean, granted, it would be kind of waiting to see what ridiculousness pops up. But you're devouring this and going through episode. You're binge watching this. That's the thing. You guys would watch it, too. There's no way I'd watch that.

I don't have TV. Wes Wooden. I think I would certainly check it out, but the idea that it wouldn't be in solid. the conversation. It would be a hate watch for sure. Yeah, that might be part of it. Shaws of sunset might be something I'd watch before this. But the joy in ODB's dancing cannot be underestimated.

He's got to calm down with that too. I wish I was that happy doing anything as happy as ODB when he's dancing. It can be. Irishman said he has a question, guys. I just want to know what TV show would you rather watch? Jake or Drake, not Jake, not Jake, and ODB or Johnny Mansell and Josh Gordon. the roomies well the other one the second show would quickly rule gordon out of any sort of return to the i will so i don't want to send zell sounds depressing minzel gordon sounds yeah like depressing

your lives going down yeah today's episode on because a TMZ article that just came out that johnny manzel was a hit-and-run accident in hollywood and then josh gordon picked him up on the sunset strip and then they had a circle back to the accident because they left the scene of an oh what's going on here it does sound like a reality show because we're getting an episode episode every two or three days. Brandon, I'd rather watch Skip Bayliss and Stephen A. Smith debate whether the Warriors should push Kobe Bryant's game off ESPN to ESPN 2. See, that's crazy. All right.

And finally, JJ Watt, and we were playing that game yesterday or on our previous show, buy, sell, or hold on offseason narratives. And, you know, I found it suspicious that a new J.J. Watt story is popping up every week, like almost like every way. Wednesday morning. They're like, oh, there's a publicist to play here. JJ Watt a little bit, you know. I think you know my feelings about the gentleman. Talented ball player. But this week, J.J. Watt appeared in a Snapchat with Kate Hudson, the actress, really

a strange Snapchat video with Hudson. And then that sparked. Ooh, J.J. Watt, is he taken? And then he tweets out. He tweets out a reply to a fan who asked Watt How he went from, quote, single to dating two different blondes in 24 hours. You're replying to that, bro.

He writes, that's L.A. hashtag single. Get out. Bro, get out of here, bro. Is that L.A., Wes? Get out of how the dating world in L.A. works for me. Would it work? If you were a, you know, potentially a generation, generational type defensive talent with millions of dollars

and, you know, multiple homes and all sorts of cash, Would it work for you that way then? And a sculpted 6'4-6-290-pound body? Yeah, I get... What is... This coupling, though, what you were saying in terms of wanting to be in the news, that is a perfect pairing, Kate Hudson.

She, if I was doing... When I was doing my Hollywood Analytics blog website, she would lead the league in most magazine covers to lowest box office over the last five years. I mean, she has stayed remarkably on top of things, and relevant with absolutely no movies or hits or anything, and she does it with stuff like going out with JJ White. Excellent analysis.

What is JJ Wat doing in L.A.? Is he supposed to be in, like, his pottery bar and log cabin in Wisconsin? Yeah, with like 37 bunk beds in there. A lot of these guys do train out here. I mean, Greg, I will point out that once, I don't know how old she is, but once you hit a certain age in Hollywood, it's tough to land heat-seeking roles as a female. I think that's, you know, you're on an interesting side of the debate there. That's absolutely fair.

Wait, is this the women in Hollywood podcast? This is later, that's absolutely fair. But I think Kate Hudson had maxed out her career as well as she possibly could have. So I think hashtag nepotism. By the way, being 6'5 alone would get J.J. Watt, all the women in L.A. Because I've never seen so many women obsessed with men's height. It's incredible. It's incredible to me.

It was never a factor in any dealings. with any woman in my life in any city until I moved to L.A. And now it's like the number one qualification on their list. Are you six foot three or above? Nope. On the online sites. Well, we should ask.

West starts walking around in stilts. We should ask our upcoming guest here, Michael Berger walking into the studio. He's lived in L.A. Wow. Yeah, we will. And by the way, you're in the nepotism comment. Yeah.

And Kate Hudson, I don't think that's fair. Now, did she get into Hollywood that it helped that her mother is Goldie Hawn, of course? Sure, but when she played Penny Lane, She was captivating in that role, and it launched her career, and I think it was barely, and then she used up all that good way. To be fair, I'm not, I don't really have not been tracking Kate Hudson deeply enough, nor do I care about her career enough. You've dropped a nepotism bomb up. Yeah, well, she is the daughter of a extremely famous actress.

That does not hurt in Hollywood. One day your sons, your sons will be their father will be a famous NFL analyst all over television. and the silver screen possibly as well. Yeah. Will you want them to be judged just because of your success? Yes. Dan, before we move on from this, JJ Watt actually already heard this and he has a response for you.

What? All I know is, you mess with me, you got problems. That's all I know. Whatever, bro. Come at me. Sitting to my left is Burger. Burger is the producer. I have a first name for crying out loud.

Do you? Yeah. I thought it was like a Madonna type of. Pele. We each have little names, Dan, likes to give us. I'm the boss, and you can just be Burger. Michael Berger is his god-given name, or his parents at least. He is the producer, Pat to the Draft, which airs Monday to Friday on NFL Network at 6 Eastern.

6 Eastern, 3 Pacific. Welcome back to the NFL podcast. I thought we were doing once every two years. Now it's once, there's been once every two months. Did you guys scheduling error or what happened? Hashtag progress. I'm not complaining, by the way. It's a compliment towards, you know, your.

epic performance last time. Oh, I thank you. Yes, we all remember it. There were dozens of people told me about it. Berger, first off, you're a single man in Los Angeles, Lee, is not married. Not married. Have you found the same issues that Wes has that women are obsessed with height? Well, I will say, I mean, what did Axel Foley say in Beverly Hills Cop 2?

Six-foot women grow on trees in California. So, I mean, there is a proliferation of, you know, height. Tall women. A lot of tall women. A lot of tall women. And that's fair. And tall women don't want to date one day. That's not who I'm talking about.

I'm talking about four foot 11 women who won't date men under six foot 30. That's quite a disparity if it's four. That's what you're talking about 20 inches there. It's a disease out here. Yeah, I don't know. But yes, Wes's point, I think, does have some merit. Thank you. You're happily coupled.

I am happily coupled, yes. How tall is she? She's about five, six. We're pretty, pretty standard. Vavavu. Yeah, there you go. Okay. So we're going to talk Draft of Burger in a couple of minutes.

But before we do that, we do want to touch on, and mark him surprised. This was your idea. You are not a fan of the NBA during the regular season, but there is a regular season game taking place tonight at Staples Center here in Los Angeles. That is the Kobe Bryant finale of his 20 season career, I believe. He played for 20 years, all with the L.A. Lakers. and so you said this is what we should talk about, Mark. Well, okay.

I mean, I'm not a Kobe fan, but I said it might not be a bad episode early on when it's April 13th to maybe spin off Kobe Bryant. All right. So what Mark said, that wasn't quite the setup I was looking for, but who is the NFL equivalent of Kobe Bryant, a player that was undeniably talented, tremendously successful,

but really viewed by many people as a villain or someone that is hard to like, who's the NFL guy who makes you think that way? Now, hold on a second. I thought it was from any sport. Any sport. Any sport. All right, any sport.

Is there an NFL guy, though? I don't think there is an NFL guy because NFL feels more, there's not a uniform opinion about things. Like Michael Vic popped to my mind, but then again, Michael Vicks, you know, when at the height of his dog fighting, stuff but then again Michael Vicks one of the most popular players of his generation so like

ben Rathlisberger for Browns fans certainly uh throughout the Midwest but I don't know if he was universally reviled not a lot of the only guy that popped in my head and it was I quickly sort of rebuffed it was T.O just for just for the just kind of the just sheer in your face way that he played and kind of as polarizing as it was good yeah it was good that was the only one I could think of in the NFL I mean is it a question of who do we love to hate because that's a different question in the NFL. Do you have a player that you like Rudy against? I'll admit that Peyton Manning for much of his career I did. And certainly that's my Patriots fan. That the Patriots never really had a rival other than Peyton Manning was a rival. Wasn't really the Colts or the

Broncos. It was Peyton Manning. That's where I would go with this anyway. And let me unpack this for it. So to me, Kobe Bryant and Alex Rodriguez are inextricably linked. That was mine. That was mine. They came of age in the 90s when sports exploded financially and image-wise. and at 18, 19 years old in the mid to late 90s, they are told by their handlers, it's about image. You have to project this image, and neither of those athletes built a base of character. Like, if you read the education of Alex Rodriguez by J.R. Morringer, a great long form,

there's no soul there. There's no base of, Alex Rodriguez has no personality, no character. Doesn't Kobe feel like the opposite of that? No, I don't think so. I think he was too busy wrapped up trying to be Michael Jordan for years and trying to protect this image. and I think Peyton Manning came of age. Peyton Manning came of age in that era too,

and he was all about spin control, extremely about spin control and image early in his career. And I don't think he's a reviled star or anything, but I see those three guys as coming from that kind of deriving from that era of professional sports exploding money-wise and image-wise. The interesting person to put in that category as well, and I feel like they're all in that same era,

is Jeter, who is for some. You know, in a, in the polar opposite is just, I mean, revered by almost everybody who, in baseball, pop culture. A lot of it has to do with what he did off the field, you know, his exploits there as well. But, but it's an interesting sort of dichotomy when you have an A-Rod or a Kobe and then a guy who, again, same era, same time. Yeah, I always thought there was more substance to Jeter. I agree. But Kobe, I totally disagree. Kobe seems like a very smart individual.

He certainly has an interesting background. He has strong views on things. He seems insanely calculating. It doesn't seem very likable, but that seems different to me than an A-Rod and maybe even a Jeter, which just seems kind of like a black hole. Like there's not a lot there, you know? Whereas Kobe, I think there's a lot there.

You just might not like it. No, I think early in his career, he was like A-Rodin that he had to take a pull before he would say any statement. I would go from the NFL angle, Big Ben, because I see that there was an off-the-field incident that almost caused the Steelers to think about parting ways with him. But we also are in a time where attention span is so brief that that's completely forgotten at this point.

And his career and who he is as a player has, I respect him now. So I don't hate. Well, he also never really captured the zeitgeist like a guy like Kobe. Or I think Vic is a good guy to look at in a lot of ways because he, like Kobe, came in with a ton of hype. He was involved with a draft day trade. he came into league then lived up to the height was a star that had legal problems that changed the way

people looked at him forever but as personalities they seem like very different people so that's where that kind of falls apart but I think Kobe is kind of on some level to me one of a kind I mean that is Michael I mean the other answer for me is Michael Jordan I love to hate Michael Jordan

I was surprised what I learned oh yeah I think the rest a lot of the country kind of jumped on and just became Bulls fans I never got to that point I always hated him always rooted against him always rooted against Really? Always root against the Donaldville. Because I was a Celtics fan.

Not that they were rivals, certainly not by the end of it, but at the beginning, you just didn't, and you just don't like the guy that's on top. See, I think for me, because Michael Jordan came into bloom when I was in around fifth grade, and I have, like, notebooks from that time just filled of drawing Michael Jordan pictures. And I fell in love with the NBA for a period of time because of him.

Even though I ended up being a Knicks fan, Jordan was fascinating to watch. I love the guy. I grew up in a city that didn't have the NBA, in Cincinnati, and to me, I always thought anyone was suspect if they hated Jordan. Really? Yeah, like, what's wrong with you that you don't like watching Michael Jordan play? Well, A, because you're played for a rival team that was beating your team.

Right, if you're from Boston, I get that. But in Cincinnati, like, how much of a contrarian are you trying to beat to not like Michael Jordan? You would go up every year. We would drive up I-65 and go to, I would see one Michael Jordan game a year. I didn't make sure it was on my list to do with my parents. By the way, little-known fact, do you guys know what my middle name is? Jordan. It is Jordan.

Wow. Oh, I thought it might be Michael, Michael Berger. You're Michael Jordan Berger? Wow. That's amazing. And you were born, obviously, before Michael Jordan was famous. Yeah, he was like eight years ago. Oh, he was, yeah, so.

Oh, I thought it was. That just changed the way I looked at so much. That would be weird. Michael Jordan Berger. By the way, real quick. Have you felt like it's going to be your new podcast name? Has that been tough to live up to? Do you know what?

Do you know what are people that don't know what you look like and why would they? Yeah, I don't like nothing like Michael Jordan. Yeah, you don't look like Jordan. Your glasses alone. Hand size. Well, you can choose who to share it with. I find usually when I travel, like when I go internationally and I pull out my passport and it takes them a second and it's always like, oh, Michael Jordan, oh, and then it becomes a whole thing.

Everyone thinks it's a burger. Eye roll. Yeah, it's right. Here we go again. Your hair is somewhat similar to Jordan. We do have similar hair lines, yes, or lack thereof in this case. But wait, by the way, real quick, before we were talking about this in the newsroom, more compelling game tonight. Kobe or the Warriors game?

Yeah. Warriors by far. Kobe stopped being compelling when he stopped being good at basketball. I know a lot of people listen to this afterwards, but it just seems like that. They're a great greatness and he's just... If you could choose to be at one game, I would probably choose Kobe because you know he's going to jack up 40 shots and maybe he gets hot and you see something crazy. Golden State's going to be up by 30 points. Yeah, to me. Like watching Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl. Give me a break. I don't know.

All right. So, Burger. Here we go. There we go. Let's talk draft. a seg called draft pressure points with burger now it's pressure on me right

yeah so Michael Jordan burger there we go and we that's your new maybe I should have that one to myself and yeah

we saw burger in the lobby yesterday and we said what are we going to do what are we going to talk about we want to talk a little draft and burger because he's an idea man said well there are certain parts of the draft

why don't you explain it you're a producer you know I mean listen I'm not going to sit here and evaluate players that's not certainly what I'm qualified to do, but I do think that there are interesting, you know, teams picking in certain spots of the draft that I think will dictate certainly the first round and how

various teams not only pick after them, but kind of just change the complexion potentially of the first round with, you know, obviously it starts, I think, with the Browns at two. Assuming, again, no one trades up and Tennessee holds on at the top spot, it starts with the Browns at two and there are some other interesting spots as we kind of move down the first round. All right, so why do we start with the Browns at two? Well, look, I mean, for a lot of these teams, it comes down to will they or won't they draft a quarterback. And obviously, you know, did the RG3 signing take the Browns out of the mindset of drafting a quarterback? Who knows? Is it whence? Is it golf? Do they like either one enough to sit it to and take quarterback?

The argument for the Browns is, on one hand, sure, you need a franchise guy. Obviously, you don't think Josh McCown or RG3 is that guy moving forward. Having said that, we all know the Browns need help at a lot of different places. and a lot of different levels of the field. So do they trade back and try to get more picks and maybe hope that a quarterback, if they like a quarterback, is there at six or seven? Do they think that Gwens, Goff, and Lynch are maybe the same guy

and they move back even further and hope that he's there at 15, middle of the first round, whatever it is, they could either take the best player on their board, whether it's a Jalen Ramsey, a Miles Jack, somebody like that, and certainly store up what was not a very good defense last year, or they take a quarterback, and that will have a major domino effect

on what happens, you know, Cowboys at four, the Niners at seven, even the Rams at 15, and that'll kind of start the ball rolling, I think, in the first round a little bit. Mark, how would you feel if the Browns did not come out of this draft with the quarterback? I think, you know, the fan of me would be disappointed, but I'd be more interested to find out who made that decision, because the sense that we're getting word that, you know, Pepp Hamilton, the offense corner really wants golf, but maybe Hugh Jackson does too, but maybe the front office just wants to compile people. Well, Cleveland's made a cottage industry of trading down.

You didn't get Julio Jones and you ended up getting Phil Taylor, who's not on the team anymore. How many times we do this? I think you got to swing at a quarterback if Hugh Jackson loves one of them. If they aren't sold on one, you're right. That glass half full is you could pick any position and it would be a position of need in Cleveland. Right. But I am not buying the idea. And look, it's on our website that it's coming out in these couple of things.

days in the last few days that the browns are not in love necessarily with anyone to take at number two and so that they're more than willing they're trying to trade out there's a lot of smoke that they're going to trade out you're you got the number two pick in the draft and by all accounts these two quarterbacks are worthy top 10 quarterback picks so it seems crazy to me that they would not view either one of those quarterbacks as a franchise quarterback i don't care that they're number two or number eight either they're franchise quarterbacks or they're not And if they, if they deem one of those two guys or Francis Gordon, you have to take them. There's no better way to change your team entirely.

Take one next year. Just keep being, just keep taking them. And don't you have to kind of with the new regime link yourself for better or for worse, inextricably to somebody, a face of the franchise and kind of just run with that? Not Jeremy Tunsell, who will play right tackle for three years. Laramie. Laramie. Like what Greg said.

Jeremy's his cousin. You take one of these guys early. You get him in the lineup. Don't be starting RG3 deep into the season. See what he can do. If there's a lot of bad juju around the guy, you're going to have a top-by pick next year or two probably. Get the best quarterback then.

Just figure, get the quarterback. That's what they got to get the quarterback. You hit it and everything changes. You want to, don't get too smart. Right. All right, let's move on now. Yeah, so I think the Browns at two are interesting. And then, you know, you go right down to the Cowboys at four.

And this is kind of the million-dollar question. Pressure, boy. Okay, go ahead. It's a little creepy, but it's cool. That's okay. Press your minds. million dollar question in this draft is will the cowboys take a quarterback at four they have much pressure they now it's really creepy they uh you know whether you believe jerry

jones or not you know a lot of the scuttlebut seems to be that they are really looking at either even if wents or golf is taking it to that they are looking at the other one potentially at four now look they say they had tony rome is their guy he's going to be there for the next however many years he has left three four or five who knows maybe more but they don't have that quarterback of the future, certainly, and if, you know, we've been saying all year on path of the draft, if you, you know, think one of these guys is that franchise quarterback, regardless of whether you have your Romo on your roster or not, you take a quarterback at four. If not, you know, they probably go edge rusher with a Joey Bosa, Miles Jack could still be there, maybe a DeForest

Buckner, but it's really, that to me is, is the most interesting question of the first round, is what the Cowboys do it for, and specifically will they take a quarterback? And if you're Dallas, you want to, if you're, it's like an Uno, you get the draw four car, and you blow the opponent up. Like you want to be one of those teams. I don't know where the packers and the cults where you have a franchise quarterback for a decade plus and then you just insert the next one without any nonsense in between.

And if there is a scenario where the Cowboys have the choice of any quarterback on the board of that pick, I think they would live to regret the day. I don't know what's going on Tony Romo in his health of this stage. People have not forgotten, by the way, and I wrote this in a mailbag that we published yesterday. You know, he has this clavicle thing that he goes. got the Mumford and Son surgery on.

And now people have forgotten that he has a back injury that can go on him at any time. And that could end his career too. So he has two potentially career-ending injuries that can pop up at any time. You got to get the next guy. Kellyn Moore is not the next guy. You know who the third quarterback on their roster is, Wes? Yeah. It's like it's a made-up name.

Yeah, he's got a funny name. Strongs or something? Strong, something like it's like, he's not the guy. I feel like they would make a huge mistake. Jamil showers. He's a real human being who has achieved a lifelong dream to make it to the NFL. The entire Shower's family is proud of Jamil. You're just mocking him.

All right, sorry about that. All right, let's move down. I mean, real quick, couldn't they just take a quarterback at the top of the second round? Right. This is a draft where supposedly that there'll be three quarterbacks maybe taking in the second round. It's an interesting one for the Joneses, too, because it's a definite, are we still trying to win a Super Bowl with Tony Romo? you would think, yes, they have not lost sight of that. Do we really have the patience to take a quarterback versus a guy like an edge rusher,

like Buckner, or Ezekiel Elliott maybe, put him in the backfield? And you just, Jerry Jones gets excited about that and tries to win the Super Bowl right now. That seems more like the Cowboys move. That feels Cowboys. And you got to think they're chomping at the bit after what happened last year, just a lost season, completely lost. They just, well, they don't want to, you know, they are going all in, you would think, this year.

And drafting a quarterback for a long-term play doesn't necessarily fit. you know, what they make. And I know the money isn't crazy at the top anymore, but it's still a lot of money if you take a quarterback for, and you have Tony Romo as the top, you know, top paid quarterback in the league just about. That's a lot of money. There's got to be voices in the building saying,

no, no, no, no, we need something else. But to Wes's point, couldn't you take a quarterback in the second round? If they want to go edge rusher or defensive tackle in the, you know, if that's the need for them, this draft, this is by far the strength of the draft is defensive ends and defensive tackle. So if they think there's that much difference between when, and Goff. I don't think Wentz or Goff would be there when Dallas picks.

That's my prediction. Well, yeah, and they may not be. So it's going to be, it'll be interesting. But to me, that's a really interesting part of the draft. Berger, give us another pressure point. I mean, I think you got to go to. Keep going. I'm just going to crawl under the table here.

Niners at seven. Because, again, it will one of those quarterbacks still be there. And if they are, do they take one? You know, they have a lot of needs, obviously, up front at the offensive line. Linebackers, and they're not going to take a linebacker at seven. and certainly you wouldn't think. But, you know, they've... Well, that's seven, eight.

Yeah, the Eagles, the Niners at seven and the Eagles at eight. You know, you're rounding the corner if you get past the corridor. The Eagles are doing something strange. I mean, we talked about this a little bit, just that they're working out every... They're working out once, I believe, today, Wednesday as we're taping this. They're working out all the guys. They're in all these rooms. You're like, I don't really buy...

I don't quite buy that, but I think if you're really interested in one of those two guys, it's hard to imagine really any scenario they get past 7-8. Yeah, and they also... Someone will trade to Philadelphia at 8, I think, to take the second guy if they're not off the board. They also love Ezekiel Elliott. I mean, that's something that's been connected to them for a long time, and that's, you know, we saw Todd Gurley go in the top 10 last year. By all accounts, Ezekielitt is kind of, you know, a very similar...

Different styles, but as similar talents. Yeah, there's whispers of Philly going up to number two to take Elliott there so that Dallas came. Right. Don't the 49ers seem, and I would throw the Rams in this, and maybe they're a pressure point at 15, too? I would put them. Do I sound as creepy as Greg?

Creepier. It's a nice combination of creepy voices. I would think that they're about as likely as anyone to make a big-time trade because desperation equals trades. And the Rams, especially at 15, can't you just see them knowing that Jeff Fisher is the first coach since Dave Shula to make it to a fifth season without a winning record and less need has never had a winning record

and they're moving to L.A. and you just need a face of the franchise and they just give up their 15th pick. They give up next year's first. Who knows, you throw in Michael Brockers or something and you move up wherever you need to move up. They just got to go 7.9, Greg. They do the opposite RG3.

They do it basically in reverse. And they're starting quarterbacks, though. Jeff Fisher has never been condescending. patted on the head by one of his players while giving him a lecture. Oof. Dave Shula. Remember that?

That is not a guy to ever be connected to historically on any level, Dave Shula. All right, Berger, let's hear about. Another team under. Well, I think the bears at 11 are interesting because, again, if for some reason, let's say the Browns don't take a quarterback. Let's say the Cowboys don't take a quarterback, okay?

And let's say, for all the time's purposes, the Niners take golf or went at seven. The Eagles go offensive line, let's say, which is a big need for them at eight. Then the Bears at 11, you know, some team either is going to want that last quarterback, that second quarterback, you know, and worried that maybe the Rams take him at 15, or do the Bears who don't really have a quarterback of future behind Jay Culler, who I believe is entering the last year of his contract? Is that correct? Someone check me on that. It might be the last year of guaranteed.

Yeah, maybe that's what it is. But either way, you know, Coutler's not exactly the most reliable option at the position that we've seen in the last couple of years. and maybe they take a quarterback at a left. I mean, again, it's the first half of the draft is where these first two quarterbacks end up, and that really will affect what so many other teams do. I'd be shocked, A, if they got that far, but New Orleans, Ian Rappaport mentioned New Orleans

as a team that is major interest in a quarterback, too. Right. So it's, they're number 12. So none of these guys are getting that low, but if they do, that's over there. And that's where you could see the movement. Again, if one of those guys is still on the table, do the Rams move up a couple of spots,

Do the Saints jump up a couple spots? Do the Jets move from 20? You know, if they're not sole, if Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't done yet, and they don't think Bryce Petty or Gino Smith is the answer? Do they move up? There's a lot of play that could happen in those sort of middle 10 picks

if one of those guys is still on the board. Jay Coutler wouldn't be on the Bears if anyone had taken them in a trade last year. Right. No one wanted them. Right. Berger, give us one more team that's feeling the pressure. Well, I just, I'll give you too quickly

because they're both similar sort of dynamic. So at the end of the first round, you have the Texans at 22 and the state. dealers at 25. What's interesting about those two teams is, if you look at the draft order starting at 22, you have the Texans at 22, the Vikings at 23, and the Bengals at 24, all three of whom you could argue their first biggest need is a wide receiver. I would argue that. So, and you have, you know, these receivers, you might not see the first one taken, whether it's Laquan Treadwell or Corey Coleman or Josh Doxon or whoever it is. They may not be taken until right or, you know,

18, 19, somewhere in the back half of the first round. So you could see a. run on receivers there maybe all all three of those teams Texans Vikings Bengals taking receivers or if they're gone before the Bengals pick then the bang you know so you could see one of those teams kind of get shut out if there's a little run on receivers there

in that early 20s and then at the Steelers don't want to get cut at the end of the old the run exactly exactly it's like I get on top of that it's like a crappy out of run yeah it's like a crappy closer run in a baseball fantasy baseball draft you don't want you don't want the J.J. Hoover's or any of those guys don't get Hoovered yeah anyway

You're the only person in this room that knows who, JJ, who... Well, he's the closing for the right. That's my team. Thank you. And then the Steelers at 25, quickly. Steelers are 25, Seahawks at 26, Packers at 27. You could argue their biggest need each is a cornerback. And there's a lot of corners who we've seen mocked at the end of the first round,

William Jackson and Eli Apple, Artie Burns, those guys. We got a run! You could see very interesting kind of positional runs in the late, mid and late 20s as we kind of get through the end of the round of the draft. Steelers need to trade Big Bend to the Jets for Derell Revis. I'd do that in a second. Both teams needs filled.

Well, Berger, you've done it again. You came on the show, and you shocked the world. Knocked it out of the part. And now you know my middle name. Yeah, what did we learn? Michael Jordan Berger, he has to deal with that a lot. It's not always fun. But this is fun.

Yeah, what do we already know? You are a former Wheel of Fortune contestant? Yes, that's right. Champion. Let's not sell it short here. Dating a woman that is somewhere between 5, 6, 5, 7. Yes. And a very attractive woman, I should say.

job there burger thank you um passionate bangles fan yes so you're a man that feels pressure for your team to win in january so there's a lot of stuff going on how that work out last year yeah yeah yeah same way it always did yeah and you just had to get that in there didn't you yes last but not least he's the producer of path to the draft right day to friday am eastern tune in uh yeah it's gonna we're uh what's uh 15 days out now until the 2016 NFL draft so close Two weeks away. Two weeks away. You're going to be in Chicago?

I will be here sort of overseeing our studio coverage as we lead up to the big day on April 28th and then the rest of the weekend. It's weird that path to the draft, it makes sense, but there's path to the draft after the draft, too. Yeah, it should be path from the draft. At that point, the name is confusing. I think you've got to work on the branding a little bit. Yeah, I'll see what I can do. It's just one preposition change. It's a graphic.

Or just like the path to the draft is over. Now it's the path to the next year I believe it's technically called Those are called the Path to the Draft Recap shows so there is a little bit of You know subtle It's still a tad cumbersome Is that when DJ goes on vacation for like nine months

That's after that week after the draft We will not see Daniels on West's radar Yeah and it also does remind me of the other show you produced Around the NFL Yes Confusing that they also named this podcast around the NFL And for so long there was no link between the two programs that we've made strides.

Well, maybe that means you just have to have me on more. That's all. Perhaps. It's like a glass-nosed. You are the bridge between the two programs. Michael Berger. I appreciate you having me on. What's your Twitter handle again?

Mikey B-TV. Oh, what's on that handle? Mikey B-TV. Mikey B-TV. Follow him. He knows what he's talking about. Mike Berger! Michael Jordanberger!

Before we get out of here, Greg, can I get an update on the iTunes Challenge? Of course, we've been asking all of our listeners to leave five-star reviews and five-star ratings and nice or bad reviews. We don't care about that. Just to see if we can goose Apple's rating system. Where are we going? It's not made much of an impact.

But we have left a lot of comments, and that alone is exciting and important. Because I don't like to see, you kind of look at how many people have left ratings for different podcasts, and you can say, okay, that one's bigger than that one. And so a lot of people have been leaving the comments, And that I appreciate.

I think it's gused up about 100 since we asked. There are five tweets on Twitter with the hashtag iTunes Challenge. Hashtag iTunes Challenge. You've got to spread the word. That's five more than I thought there would. It's caught fire. We also need, you know, I think even just as important as that is telling your friends to go subscribe. Hey, you guys like the NFL?

Oh, yeah. You like podcasts? Oh, yeah. How about you try the around the NFL podcast friend? Hey, we got something for you. Go subscribe to that little word of mouth because I think the new subscribers, that's always big. That's good. Tell it, buddy, phone, a friend.

We'll be back tomorrow. Very special around the NFL podcast. Schedule release day. Oh, yeah. Schedule dropping. So we'll have a full breakdown. Feel the buzz in the air. All the schedule heat.

And that will be posted the minute the schedule is out. So we work at the NFL and we'll get it a little early. We'll be able to pre-tape it. And so the second that schedule releases on, you know, you check it out and you listen to the podcast. Do you ever listen to our podcast? All the time. You do? Who's your favorite?

Michael Jordan Berger. Who's my favorite person on the show? Yeah. And you can't go, Lindsay. I could say Colleen. I probably would say Colleen. Connie Box. Of the core four.

Just say Mark. This is not going to end well. He's looking at work. We work together. Come on. This is not going to. No one's going to be offended if you lie and say Mark. Lie and say all for you.

Don't lie. All right. That's it. Isn't that a wrap? Can we get this? Yeah. That's it. Thanks. This is, yeah, we'll be back on Thursday with the schedule release special.

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