NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2016 NFL Draft Round 1 Recap

Episode Date: April 29, 2016

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler break down the big stories from the first round of the 2016 NFL Draft, including Laremy Tunsil’s slide and the Cowboys drafting Ohio State running back Ezekiel Elliott. Then, the heroes discuss the various trades in the first round and wrap the podcast with another speed round!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Damashek here. Make sure you check out the new episode of the Dave Damashek football program. Ike Taylor, Maurice Jones, Drew, Matt Money-Smith and I running around draft town here in Chicago, Illinois, talking draft and all other things. Check it out NFL.com slash podcast or iTunes. All right, let's get it started. The 2016 NFL draft is now officially open. The Around the NFL podcast.

Received a first round grade from Mike Mayock. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. Honest question about Mike Mayock. Mm-hmm.

Does he know that any of the four of us even roam the planet? Has he heard of any of us? No chance. I've talked to Mike Mayock a few times, and I got the impression he might be aware of my existence. I had to introduce myself and even talked to him back when I worked at NBC and pro football talk. So I don't know.

There's a chance. It's usually Greg that someone knows, but I once mistakenly... I wouldn't bet on it. I once mistakenly filed a post with Mike Mayock's byline because it's right above mine in the list where you pull someone's name. And I quickly heard not from Mike Mayock, but I'm from a handler that said, get that down now. Wow.

Someday you're going to have a handler. The answer is no, by the way. Thank you. Probably no. Probably no. I mean, Mayok, this is, yeah, this is Mayock time. So he's kind of like the king of the world from what, February through the first week of May. Please.

It's our time. This is after the draft. NFL networks to the post game show right now. Mayok's back preparing for day two. This is our time. They're not dropping an hour straight of fire like we did. I love it. We're about to.

It's about 20 minutes before 10 p.m. in the Pacific Coast as we record this podcast, round one of the 2016 NFL draft in the books. And what a eventful round one it was. I believe there were four trades in the round. There were five Ohio State. Buckeyes players selected. There was one gas mask involved. I mean, there were things in a major trade that involved the Broncos getting

a quarterback this was and there was a lot of you know a lot of talk leading up to the draft it's not a great draft class in terms of you know pop but this first round popped as an entertainment subject we're never going to have a well I don't know if we'll ever have a story like laramie tonsill again but it is hard to imagine we have never had a story like laramie tonsill before and that story changing as the night went on and I felt like I spent my whole night just updating my one Laramie Tunsel Post, literally, just kept getting whackier and wackier. I mean, I don't think we'll ever have,

see anything quite like that ever again. That's got to be, I mean, that might be the craziest, like, draft day story ever. I mean, just that the, and it's such a 2016 story as well, that right before the draft starts, a guy that could have been a top three pick, a video surfaces of him taking,

a giant bong rip with a face with a gas mask with by the way with a confederate flag behind him as well like the whole video was wild that's all missed you can't take a picture without a outside of the flag the device was impressive the flag not so much but what a device i mean they actually made me claustrophobic just looking at it uh but just then the idea then that everyone that's watching immediately sees it and it's going nuts on twitter and then it starts the stories start to trickle out what this means for this guy's stock in the draft. I was fascinated by the timing of it. All of these war rooms have to adjust on the fly.

And for a guy, you know, Ian Rappaport reported, and Tunsell confirmed this afterward that the video was from several years ago, and he passed all of his drug tests. So somebody's getting a good bargain here. Why is he sliding down draft boards? I think that's a fair question, but it's tough in the moment that you're just seeing this video. Now, I incorrectly... Video means a lot in the NFL. I incorrectly said on our Slack channel right away.

I was like, oh, I don't think that'll hurt. We, by the way, we don't mention our client. Our conversation. I didn't think it would be that big of a deal. Well, I said, I think this could be, this could trigger a slide for Tunsel because if the Rams and Eagles hadn't taken as long as they did, there would have been even more chaos for teams to deal with. Because the Chargers at number three, prime landing spot, Greg immediately said, no, no, no, no.

What did you say? Well, I just thought it wasn't going to crush him because I was thinking like Wes. I could tell Greg the sun will rise tomorrow and it will be bright and it will be hot and Greg would say probably no chance. Oh, by the way, he only slipped to 13. You know, Miles Jacks slipped out of the first round.

A lot of players in D.Cate, like a lot of people slipped much further than expected. He ended up not having as big of a fall as I thought once it started going. But we did get reports that he was taken off draft boards. It just freaked people out. And I felt for the guy, because not only they kept on cutting to him in the draft room,

and you see the look in his face, and you can imagine his phone's blowing up. And then you get Mike Mayock talking about, you know, oh, this kid I don't feel sorry for at all. And then, you know, you have a better. Yeah, and I isn't saying that video doesn't look that old. You know, there was a lot of judgment on the kid, and you couldn't help but feel terrible for him.

So I actually felt I was happy for him when he went at 13. If that was a keg stand, teams would have traded up for him. that's true I mean what are we doing here like half the country legally can smoke weed now now the idea that he would have fallen and it was all again on Twitter

because everyone was making judgments oh this guy's going to be an undrafted free agent I wonder who gets him's like I smoked a little weed well it was a lot of it was a lot well the league's ruling on this is viewed by many and rightly so I think to be antiquated

they're in the crosshairs of the whole country changing where they are on this well he'll be he'll be He'll be, you know, in the crosshairs in terms of, you know, taking drug tests and all that. And I'm sure the dolphins will be talking to him about all that. But I think it was the – I don't think it will come up. I think it was the apparatus that it was.

I think it was the intensity of the apparatus and the timing. And, okay, now we know – and we even said immediately, like, oh, he got hacked. That also leads to another topic of, like, what is going on that someone is going after this guy? so much that they're putting this information that that alone could freak people it's like a skeletor super villain after him and you would think like imagine put yourself in this guy's shoes like not only you became a multi-millionaire today and you're a first round pick in the NFL you realize your dream but he has to be consumed with thoughts about who bang me in the biggest spot possible how am I going to find this culprit and destroy him and he's not you know from his interviews right away on the

main stage he is getting quizzed about this and he's probably still in his mind as you You're saying picking up the pieces of what it should be the number one moment in his life, what he's been working for for years and years. And the whole time, as his name was falling from one team to the next, the look on his face said it all. I mean, you do feel for him for that. Dionne be like, was it your stepfather? Right, that was.

It was like a surreal thing. Dion should do that. It was hard-hitting journo, Dionne saying. I actually, the way Dion did that blew my mind. It was one of the more surprising, amazing draft moments I've seen. And I'm glad he asked it, too, because it's, It's a question on everybody's mind. His stepfather sued him a couple days ago,

and there was a long backstory. We're not going to get into all that of legal problems. Please do. Break down the legal side of this. And he turned into Mike Wallace all of a sudden, Dion Sanders. I mean, so everyone was kind of thinking that. And the crazy thing is it didn't end there. You know, after that moment, after he was on the stage,

then in his Instagram account, which amazingly was just sitting there wide open, probably hadn't changed the password to that. The one, two, three, four, five, six, seven password. A text exchange is posted between Tunsell and what apparently is some sort of Ole Miss official or coach with, you know, money being exchanged. And Tunsel's asked about in his press conference and he admits to taking money from an Ole Miss official. And then he's escorted off the stage at the press conference. Cain with a hook at the end.

So that was like a whole separate thing. And meanwhile, there's like fake statements from a agent that people are actually falling for. And it's crazy. And you know what it all ends up with is. The Miami Dolphins, they say Tunsel was the number two overall player on their board. And, you know, people always say that sorts of. But it's believable with this guy. It was a guy that was supposedly a top two or three player.

I think that was a, it ended up being a great pick for the Dolphins. I have one more theory, by the way, on this. What, and it was a misguided notion, but what if he, right as the draft telecast was started, he tweeted out that video himself, just because you wanted to show that he was kind of a cool dude that knows at a party, but also could block, like a mother effort. well that seems just like there's a lot of holes in that theory the look on his face would be the first hole i mean he he seems stunned like any human probably not he said he said he was hacked so that that would seem like

which we always believe and in this case i do it is the most believable hacked thing of all time we we should point out something we were talking about before we posted this is something where it really tested a lot of people it tested the on-air people to deal with a breaking news story like this during the draft just an unforeseen thing. It tests an agent. Like their crisis management skills and it might have saved Laramie

Tunsel that he has a big, he has an agent Jimmy Sexton you know, who has whose client, I believe is Adam Gase. Adam Gase is Jimmy Sexton. It is known to have some pretty close ties with the Dolphins in terms of their clients and Domenu

and Tannenbaum has worked with this guy a lot and he gets he ends up getting drafted by the dolphins that's how that's a relationship made sometimes and to tonsil's credit as well he comported himself very well with d on national television there where a lesser in terms of you know somebody that wasn't mature could have like said some things he shouldn't have and apparently he did a little later but not in that public a spot but all things said and done it could have been a lot worse night that it ended up being for laramie tons someone like spice rack would have folded on that stage

I don't know I'm just Wait Chris Wesleying We were just discussing We were discussing spice rack So it just came to mind Holden Spice's feet to the fire

We got to get spicy on the pod Next week to get his breakdown And he also has to make his prediction To dig himself out of the Melvin Gordon hole Of last year he famously predicted If Melvin Gordon went to the Cowboys He would lead the NFL in rushing as a rookie So I texted him

Right before we got on the show To see if he thought the same way about Ezekiel Elliott And he basically said yes, but I am not going to officially make that prognostication. All right. Well, that leads us nicely into the second thing we want to talk about here, which is Ezekiel Elliott goes to the Dallas Cowboys with the fourth pick overall. And this was a pick after Joey Bosa goes number three to the Chargers, Greg. And that was the first surprise of the draft.

A lot of people connected the Chargers to offensive linemen. Philip Rivers needs some more help there. but instead they go with Bosa and Greg, you notice something when they show the Cowboys War Room after the Bosa picked to San Diego right before Dallas was on the clock. We've got a camera on the Dallas War Room and they're all, you know, backslaps and laughing. And suddenly Bosa goes off the board,

and it just seemed like they had seen a ghost. It was just quiet and silent. And I don't know if panics the word or whatever it was. They're just sitting there. And maybe I'm reading too much into it. But I did see some reports that they were high on Joey Bosa. And so who knows, maybe that wasn't going to be their pick. We also saw a report that a team, the Ravens, tried to trade up to Dallas to draft Jalen Ramsey.

And the Cowboys would not move off of that. So I think they were still very, very excited to take Ezekiel Elliott at number four. They clearly didn't want to move down. It turns out they probably could have moved down and still got an Elliott and picked up a pick. But they played it safe and they took Elliott. Ramsey ended up going number five to the Jacksonville Jaguars. And the buzz and I wrote a post earlier before the draft that Ian Rappaported reported that the Cowboys were struggling with Jalen Ramsey versus Zeke Ehrlich.

Zeke Elliott. What are we going with here? I think Zeke. Zeke. Zekele and Ezekiel. And Jera sounds like he won this power struggle two years after he got talked out of Johnny Mansell. I think that this is a Jerry Jones type pick. but everyone in that room.

Such a Jerry pick. It is. But they were somewhat, there was a morose feel to. I might be reading into things. Maybe so. I'm admitting that. But it's fair. They were all back slapping and having a great time.

Then it was like suddenly someone put nerve gas in the room. And then they're all happy again. So they were thrilled with Elliot. I think it's a good fit for Dallas. I mean, they haven't lost the memory. I think it's a Garrett pick too. People talked about Garrett wanting Elliott as well. And you go back to what you were if Romo's healthy with that great offensive

line to what you were two years ago, if the rookie running back can play, as they hope. They could have one of the best offenses in the league. I thought the Bosa thing was really interesting to me, how surprised everyone was. The Chargers were connected to just about every player in the top 10, except Bosa. During the entire 2015 season, Bosa was number one atop everyone's boards, and then all a sudden people were talking about him going seventh or eighth or whatever. This guy's a monster. Yeah, the only thing is, and I think it'll be fine, but they run.

a 3-4 and I primarily he was looked at as a better fit as like a cowboys end in a 4-3 but forget it he can play if he plays like he did before he could play in and teams now are so multiple playing both including the chargers that they'll probably play more 4-3 because they have joey bosa or he'll just have his his hand in the ground and you're right that almost all day people were there saying well if it's defense it's going to be buckner or if it's defense it's going to be Ramsey people disagreed or you know people were really going Ronnie Stanley big and you know and no one had Bosa and it killed all the mock draft I was going to say are you saying nobody actually knows anything nobody at all those months of good job by San Diego smokescreen

literally no one said Bosa no one no one was saying that is the favorite to be the pick no one was even mentioning him at among the four or five names there so it really does show for all the information that we get in terms of guessing who's going to take what no one knows I mean, they didn't even have to smoke screen because once the first two picks got locked in, they essentially had the first real pick of consequence in the draft when you're trying to figure things out. I love the- I think they wanted to trade down. And so maybe they thought they could have traded down to six or something. Yeah, yeah, they'll got Bosa.

I love the cowboy pick, by the way. Because if you think about it, they have this game-changing offensive line potentially. And there are people are making some comparisons to Adrian Peterson with Elliot. And if he turns out to be the real deal, you have Tony. Romo 36 years old all beat up now you can change your offensive dynamic a little bit you have this guy the built for the cowboys type talent i think it makes them more fun to watch and i think it it makes sense for the team so i think it works on both you got your triplets part two if you want to call it that if it wasn't part eight at this point right you could argue they're putting almost too

much too many resources into into the running game and into one thing but i i tend to be i tend to agree with you, Dan. One thing I thought when I did that redraft of the last year's rookie classes, humble break, is three down running backs like Todd Gurley and David Johnson are a relatively scarce resource in the NFL right now, like as they would say foundation backs that can be really good on every down. That can be a power goal line back and a great third down back and make people miss in space and in small holes. And by all accounts, and from everything I've seen. Elliot is that guy. Maybe it isn't quite as dynamic as Todd Gurley, but is definitely as complete. Well, and they talk about him as being, and Romo has become one of

the smartest quarterbacks that Elliot is one of the smartest running backs coming out of the draft. They've seen a long time in an excellent blocker. If anything catches rookie running backs, they're not good blockers. It takes time to adjust. They're off the field on third down. They say he is a phenomenal block. Right. And so if there's only five or six of those guys in the league, that's a scarce resource, and it's worth a lot. I think if they were redoing the draft, David Johnson should go in the top 10, and Todd Gurley would go in the top three.

And so if Elliot is really kind of in that range, why not take him? Alfred Morris isn't going to like it. You don't pass on studs. Look at the Adrian Peterson draft. How do you think the Cardinals felt about drafting Levi Brown instead of Adrian Peterson? Because you're drafting for need instead of the...

Peterson, when I saw him in college, I thought he was the best running back I'd ever seen. Do you still think Darren McFadden's got a top 1,000 yards this year? RIP, Darren McFadden's fantasy value. How about RIP, Alfred Morris, period? What do you think Big Al was thinking when he heard the news? Is he even going to be on that team, I guess? He was thinking I should have re-signed with the Redskins, whatever they offered.

Redskins didn't want him. All right, so that's the very top-10 fantasy pick. How about that? Let's go throw in some fantasy. I'm with you on that. Right off the bat, rookie year, he's a top-10 fantasy player? It's got to be, yeah, he's going to be a top-15. I mean, that's not even a bulls prediction.

Heavy favorite for rookie. Well, they're a run heavy offense. That's what they want to be. Yeah. All right. So let's bounce around a little bit. So that's what happened on the top of the draft. Third thing we want to talk about because it was such a big story in the NFL for really months.

The Denver Broncos win a Super Bowl with a broken down Peyton Manning. They have Brock Osweiler waiting in the wings. But no, the Houston Texans steal them away with a massive $72 million contract. so the Broncos need a quarterback. They trade for Mark Sanchez. Nobody takes it seriously. He'll be the backup. They'll get Colin Kaepernick.

That will finally happen. That deal never comes together. And guess what? John Elway's got to make a move on the day of the draft. And what does he do? He trades up five picks in the first round and gets his quarterback. It is Memphis passer. Paxton Lynch goes to the Denver Broncos.

They have their quarterback of the future. But my question, and West will say, start with you on this. Everything, because I tracked Lynch very closely in the past week or so because he kept on being connected to the Jets. Everything you heard about this guy was that he was a project and he'd never played under center and he'd never been in a huddle or read a defense at the line of scrimmage. This is a team defending a Super Bowl title and it makes sense to me that Mark Sanchez is going to be the starter because this guy won't be ready by September 8th. Yeah, I remember last year when that was the Scatter

reporter on Marcus Marriota. Then he went out and became the only quarterback in NFL history to post a perfect passer rating. He was the number two pick of the draft. Still, we don't know if these guys are NFL ready. That was the book on Marioita, starting with Mayok saying, this guy needs a year. Name another guy. Oh, there's all kinds of guys where they say they need time and then they get thrown right in.

They said that about Tenahill. Yeah, they always say they need time. If you draft a guy in the first round, generally over the last 10 years, first round quarterback start week one. And to me, I love the way John Elway has played this all along. Look, what are the 49ers going to do? There are reports they're just going to release Colin Kaepernick now, that there's no trade market for him.

So Elway gets a 6'7 passer more talented than Brock Osweiler, paying a quarter of the salary after everyone acted like the hand-wringing over not signing Brock Unitas to a $20 million year contract. Give me a break. Yeah, but they developed that guy for four years. They wanted to pay him. They developed a guy who got benched for the washed up version of Peyton Manning. But that was not just about skill level.

That was about a lot of heat with Peyton Manning. All right. But now look who's sitting pretty. John Elway sitting pretty is. This guy is. Is Mark Santis possibly starting for the defending Super Bowl champion? Look what he just pulled off. That's fine.

Exactly. What did he pull off? What do we know about this guy? We may not know much about him. But if you go read from Scouts, some of them what they say is, look, you can have your golf and your wents. We understand why they're one and two. But what Paxton Lynch has from a tools angle is incredibly enticing,

and maybe he does need time. But the dude has a cannon arm, and for six foot seven, he can move. He's a good fit for that offense. The tools are there. Perfect for bootlegs. So it's fine that they have Sanchez. Maybe they don't start him right away. But all this nonsense, we were told Blake Bortles wasn't going to start,

and they're going to have Chad Henney go through 16 games. By week five, that was nonsense. Yeah, but how did the gyborers do that here? The throne of ease is in trouble because John Elway has it right now. He's sitting on top of NFL Mountain on his throne. A good GM knows not to overpay and absolutely like ransom and hijack your salary cap. And Elway refused to do that. And he was smart enough not to show enough interest in Lynch where they got him.

I'm not, I think he, I think John Elway has done an excellent job. I don't think he refused to do that because Osweiler got $18 million offer instead of 16. I mean, he was ready to pay 16 that he went and got 18 elsewhere. Obviously, he drew a line in the sand. Right, he did. And I think he deserves credit because I think you should, if you're in a position like Elway, you should be taking a real quarterback every year until you find one.

And he found one not only that he would draft, but that he liked enough to trade up for. He gave up a third round. And that other teams had ranked as the best quarterback in the draft. And this is a team that has needs. And I think one of the biggest, I don't know, I'm not ready to say the Broncos are some big wins. because it's a first-round quarterback.

It's a 50-50 thing. But I think Paxton Lynch is the biggest winner of the entire day. Because if he's got to succeed in the NFL to be on this team and in this system and with Gary Kubiak, you could not be in a better position. But I really, I don't know why, but I kind of buy the whole Lynch has to wait a while thing because I don't think the Broncos are going to want to rush them into this. And I do think we're going to see Mark Sanchez starting. for the defending championship is crazy or maybe they add another veteran and that's why and that would

be interesting too i'd be adding that would be a lot of cooks in the kitchen like a hoyer or something just to have another right option but that's why i still think ultimately maybe long term elway should be lauded for making this move and getting a first round quarterback with a lot of tools but i still think it wasn't handled well if mark sanchez is the guy behind center when you're trying to defend a title because that's the ultimate when you're a defending champion it's win now he can't be more win now than that and you don't kick chances to repeat his champion and mark satchez right mark satchez ain't one in the super bowl this year and if mark sanchise seeds to a rookie that's never been in a real offense before he's not going to win a super bowl there are a unique super bowl champion though because not often do you see a team

that wins a super bowl lose everything at quarterback and have to start over and it's not been a good yes you can go have gotten colin cavernic but colin cavernick's much better in april than he is in September. Hey, we saw it once, and we saw what happened to the Ravens the next year when they defended. I mean, they chose to get rid of that. Sure. Is John Howie given any of you any reason to be skeptical of vacuum as a GM? No, but you can't.

He's been to seven Super Bowls as a player in GM? I agree. His feet aren't to the fire. I can say Sanchez will be the starter, and that's a problem, but he went out and swung for the fences with a prospect. Exactly. They have an exciting young prospect. What more can you ask for?

One thing I think you can question. I think he's been obviously one of the best executives in the league since he came in. One thing he really knows he needed, and he's talked about this a little bit, he needs to start having good drafts. And he just traded, you know, he got the quarterback, so he just lost another pick in this draft. His best player drafted over the last three years is who? Bradley Robey? Well, Ike Taylor considers him one of the top three cornerbacks in the NFL.

Right. I think Bradley Robey is a pretty good player, but he doesn't have many impact players for the last three. We got, what, 80 million? That was drafted. Four years ago. More than some teams, though, Elway used free agency more than other GM would, and he built an excellent team. He just was talking about that.

He needs to start replenishing it with some draft picks, because they're a little bit thinner than you would expect. The crazy thing, the thing I love about Elway, though, is there's still that, like, competitive player to him, and I don't think it's any mistake. The second he makes this pick, he goes on the record and says, we're out of the Kaepernick sweepstakes. And to me, that is like, you messed around with us long enough, Kaepernick. You're done.

You're done, son. All right. So that's the big news with the defending Super Bowl champions. Let's now move to another team in the AFC. The AFC North, that is they are the Cleveland Browns. And Mark, you are a Browns fan. And, you know, the Browns, when it comes to draft day, they're always, always good for entertainment.

Full of heart from start to finish delivers on the great tension of the NFL draft while showing how human the entire process is. Oh, God. Mark Cessler, NFL.com. You're out of your mind. Yeah, I am. Haven't I proved that already?

I cannot stand any of you. I blocked whoever sent that to me. You did? Yes, because right, it was like six in the morning. West retweeted. You're in my doghouse. For a little bit of history, that's when the movie draft day in 2013 about the Browns came out. Mark was something from our review was taken out and used as a press.

So what Dan Red was actually used as a. Unfortunately, and listen, when we came out of that movie, I saw that movie with you guys and I said a solid B, And that's what Wes... I still like it. I think it's been maligned. I get it. But then I tweeted something saying, you know, we saw it, we liked it. And the company, the production company, wrote DM'd me basically and said,

can you write something? And I went on vacation immediately after. I had a couple glasses of wine at my parents' house and wrote this paragraph about the movie. And they cobbled together parts of it and created that sentence. Now, that said, I did type it. I should never have done it. And I'm not living it down. even still, and I blocked that guy that sent that.

Did you really block him? I'll unblock him. It's not a person thing, but I saw, right away I saw, Dan likes it. West likes it. I said, this is going to end up on the show, so I'm going to block it until the show passes, and it's still got on the show.

Brandon, you are in my TD zone right now. By the way, you should enjoy this. You got to own it. This is genuinely funny. You should enjoy it. For you, it is, Greg. I actually did. For the usual.

I privately, I am Greg this morning, because I didn't want, I thought it would be funny because it was we haven't seen it in a while the blurb so when somebody I know it's like oh man that is if you think we bring up on the pod and Mark will get too angry and Greg said no it'll be all right it's innocent I actually I am not angry because had the day been a disaster I would not have enjoyed that I'm fine with it but the day wasn't it was not was it mark because the Cleveland Browns traded out of the top 10 so the Browns are going nuts of course they started this draft with what the second pick they traded down

to number eight got a bunch of picks from the Eagles and then they traded out again with the Tennessee Titans to the number 15 pick and then they get exactly the type of guy they needed didn't they mark well after years of Ray Farmer saying I look around the league and teams prove to me that you don't need to draft wide receivers we're just going to pick them up off the street or the local high school or whatever it is and finally with Hugh Jackson in house in the new front office they said that is not how you win in the NFL. We're going to get a playmaker, and they got Corey Coleman from Baylor,

who Dan and Dan's father-in-law have watched plenty of. And, Dan, you know more about him than I do. You love the guy. I am not a guy that knows a lot about, you know, the college. See, I follow it. The closest I'll follow college football is when my wife's parents come into town, which is once every, you know, two months or so, and I always will end up watching Baylor games.

And then I'll occasionally catch them alone as well, because I am intrigued by them because my wife's entire family went to that school. And Corey Coleman was a guy that jumped out at me every time I watched them because it was like a man against boys where it seemed like every game he had 250-yard touchdowns. And Bob Bates, DDS, my father-in-law, actually Mark, texted me after the pick, and he said, and he's a big-time bailer guy. Bob Bates is such a big bailer guy that he has seasoned tickets to the men's basketball, women's basketball, men's football, and I think the baseball and softball programs.

This is what he's booster. He's retired. And his text to me, Corey and RG3, Browns are going to the Super Bowl, tell Mark there is hope for the Browns. And a third Baylor player. Oh, wow. Brandon now. Brandon's just slipping very easily into the troll seat. But, I mean, honestly, if you get Josh Gordon back, you have three Baylor players right there.

But here's the player aside, and they talked about him being the number one receiver on their board when they mine down the board to get him, and they got their guy. But in the next two drafts off of these trades, they get an extra third round, two fourth rounders, a 2017 first, a 2018 second, and another 11 picks in this draft. Wow. And another second next year, too, because of the trades today. People are asking what is the front office going to be about? can Sashi Brown handle it? Is he going to handle it when the phone starts? Pick up the chisels.

I would say that he's done an excellent job. The whole group of them together has done a job where they haven't gotten fleeced in any of these trades. I think they've gotten value. And they got a player that Hugh Jackson obviously likes. You checked all my boxes. I'm fine. I'm out.

I like this electric Josh McCown to Cory Coleman connection. Well, I don't know about that. There's a lot more pieces that need to be put in. It's funny because I do remember. Mark you said a lot like it was just three weeks ago or four weeks ago they were like are they going to just trade down again and put it all off well i wanted carson once i wanted him but i i'm willing to go with their vision and i see that they are truly building the roster from the round up you have to and that is that's a good call because um this this by all counts um especially if if he becomes

a corey coleman becomes a star receiver it will be seen as a good first round for the browns but If Carson Wentz becomes a stud, the Browns will never live it down. So that all remains to be seen. But they went in and they filled a need. And it's a for a franchise that lacks any excitement. Now you have a guy West. I think you read that there are some comparisons to Odell Beckham, you know, that type of playmaker potentially.

Roto World is really good on draft coverage. They study this stuff religiously for months. Didn't you guys build that brick by brick? Great did. You exaggerate that. You exaggerate that. Roto World had this effusive praise comparing him. to Odell Beckham that he in college outplayed everyone else on the field.

And we also heard DJ compare him to Steve Smith. I've heard of Tony Brown ones too. Those are some great names to be compared to. Yeah, he's a fun player to watch with the ball in his hands, you know, from what I've seen. I mean... Well, then they have one of those. Right. And there's...

What about Gary Bowling? You forget about me, Mark. One and a half. I can make a bunch of plays with my hand, including getting in the end zone. I'm quiz in, mate. Quids in. one and a half players like that like we think that these trades like the ricky williams trade or the harshal walker trade doesn't happen anymore and they don't but for that number two pick in a couple years we will look at the six players that the browns picked up and we'll see if how how good those six players are but that's what they they turn that into and they're all first three round picks so that that's pretty impressive that they're going to get six players for that pick and you just hope money ball you could hope they could do it and the titans you know who knows how good jack conklin's going to be

i thought when they were trading back up they were going to trade up for tonsil and that i think that's two spots where you look back and and you think that's what where tuntil would have been taken right because the dd kinkawala reported for nfl network that the ravens were going to take tonsil at six but because of the video they took stanley the titans were pretty closely linked to Tunsell at number one, and they trade up for Conklin. So that's two different spots where you would have seen Tunsel go. Maybe the Titans won't look good there. Maybe they got too freaked out.

I don't know. Not the Titans. So Corey Coleman, the first wide receiver off the board, gentlemen, but he wasn't the last. But there was something that historic happened in this draft, and it happened late in the first round, specifically picks 21 through 23, three consecutive wideouts come off the board that's never happened before. The Texans move switch, move up one spot with the Redskins and take Will Fuller, the wideout out of Notre Dame. Then the Redskins take Josh Dotson from TCU and then the Vikings and my close Vikings friend, Greg back from home and the Coleman. minds very excited on text when the Vikings got La Cren Treadwell from Ole Miss, a guy that we

were seeing in some mocks as being the first guy, first wide out off the board. So the Vikings get Treadwell, which is a big pickup for them because I don't know, you know, how big a fan people are in this room of Stefan Diggs, but he's done, he did some nice things last year, but he's not a stud. You add another receiver there and you're starting to get somewhere with that offense because it's a big year for Teddy Bridgewater. Well, the thing with Stefan Diggs and last year with Mike Wallace, too, was they were pushed around. Those wide receivers weren't physical in any way.

And that's basically the book on Treadwell that he is physical. I think he's the perfect fit for them. I mean, he is built in a way where he got some comparisons to an Anquan Bold. And he's not a speedster, but he is a at the point of catch. I love those guys. Exactly. I love watching him. They don't have that.

They don't have. Is anyone surprised, though, that Treadwell was, I think with wide receiver, it's a position where teams look specifically for someone that fits their current system and that could be one guy versus the next maybe it's not the universally most talented guy but for treadwell to go forth i was surprised well he ran a four six that's the thing people people get so caught up on that just like bold and you ran a four six and that killed his draft stock he didn't even go in the first round i think i think that hurt him and i didn't think people thought he was that far ahead of the rest of the group he gets in ian tweeted that um the vikings think he's going to pick

up speed he's going to get faster because he had that gruesome leg injury a year ago so he's another year removed from that and tread will gets the award by the way of the most bummed out interview post draft interview uh he was pretty upset when dion was talking with him because he just didn't have a lot to say didn't have a smile on his face some of these guys they got to you know have a little more perspective though because he still ended up going uh you know number 23 in the entire nfl draft and he you know his life just changed but you know there's ego involved here and he was he thought he'd be the first one off and he ended up being the fourth guy off amongst the wide outs yeah i mean he's thinking of uh who did the vikings take seventh overall

or whatever i mean there's been some receivers without great college resumes they've gotten taken a lot higher so you get disappointed but he gets to play indoors you know that's a good thing shout out to michael burger remember his little uh pressure points oh yeah the wide receiver run that he uh basically called in the early 20s he did and he had And Berger is a Bengals fan, and you have to look at the Bengals as a loser in that dynamic because, and maybe it's because Corey Coleman went to the Browns up at 15. You have three in a row to the Redskins Vikings, or to the Texans Redskins and Vikings, and it's the Bengals who really needed a wide receiver at number 24, and they did not get one.

One last thing on Treadwell from Connor War's Twitter account, they asked him about seeing single coverage, being in offense with Adrian Peterson, and he answered, sounds like the Super Bowl to me. I like it I like it a little premature a little premature potentially do you guys think the Redskins there was some pop

and I think Mayock talked about it a little bit and some on Twitter people are surprised that they didn't focus on defense more they seem to not have a big problem scoring points last year with Cousins breakout year

but they went wide receiver and Fuller they have a ton of wide outs right it's a position of strength. I mean, you have Pierre Gerson, you have Deshaun Jackson, and you've got a great rookie receiver last year in Jamison Crowder. You got Andre Roberts, Ryan, at his moments. I'm going to be on that team. Wow. I think it just says Pierre Garcin and or Deshaun Jackson is not on this team next year. But people thought in 2016 or two? No, no, in 2017. People thought maybe one of those two guys, especially Jackson could be a surprise cut this year.

And now it seems like one of those two guys will almost certainly be. Not good news for six-string wide-out, Loran Bird. Loran Bird's like, damn, bro, I'm banged. Former Arizona Cardinal, Loran Bird. Well, he may have to go back to the Cardinals. Wait, did you say Jaird, Jiris Byard? Jairus, Byrd. A little bit of a stretch.

It is his cousin. But they just need to let, the Redskins need to let that guy fly, though. All right? He's all the way down there. They just need to let him go, let him fly. That's true. I mean, this is, Kirk Cousins, if ever, maybe they're just worried about the Kirk Cousins' backslide.

They're going to prevent it. I mean, he's got about as many weapons as anyone going. Yeah, that's fair. Let's talk about, so we talked about. You had Vernon Davis to that group. Watch out. Uh-oh. Let's calm down.

It's a bridge too far, Greg. Do you actually buy in on a Verde? No, but they have Jordan Reed and like four good wide receivers now. And Matt Jones. He did, Vernon Davis did tweet out a picture of his body recently. Bang and bot. That's never been an issue. Very well built, but does he care about the game of football?

We'll find out only in the 2016 NFL season sponsored by America. Exclusively on NFL network. Exclusively. Well, that's not true, but somewhat on NFL network. All right. So, yes, Laramie Tunzel. He drops down the draft board to 13, but he should, he should, you know, count his blessings, whatever that means, because one man that fell completely out of the first round, and it's very sad when they cut to that green. I don't even know if they should do the green room thing.

It's kind of sad when they, as the, as the round starts to get later, and these guys, they're after walking the red carpet in the weeks of hype, now they're getting in their mind. I'm sure they feel embarrassed. They're not being picked. You've got to have drama for the casual fan. that's fair okay but i'm just thinking from a human standpoint that's all uh miles jack who of course people have said is a real potential all pro talent uh but also a guy with a knee injury uh that i believe rap sheet reported this morning which really spooked me uh when it came the jet's time to pick uh that is not expected by uh multiple teams to last to a second contract so you're talking

about a guy that might have a shelf life of four or five years because of the damage in his knee. Enough teams were spooked that he did not go in the first round, which was a surprise because in a lot of mocks and a lot of people speculated he was a guy that can go anywhere from, you know, 8 to 15, maybe to 20 range. But the idea that he fell all the way out, that was one of the big surprises of the first round. Yeah, and he basically admitted that the potential is there for micro fracture surgery. And Darren Gann, a pro football talk, asked Dave Gettleman,

and if he was surprised that Miles Jack was still on the board late in the first round. And Gettleman said not after what he said today after he admitted that the micro fracture was a possibility. Two potential landing spots. If teams, you know, there's a lot of risks there, but a team like the Cowboys at number three in the second round or maybe the Ravens at number five.

Here's the thing, though. He played last year. It's not like he's coming off of a crazy injury. I mean, he was the number two. two player on DJ's big board based on his play. And nothing has really changed since then. Now, I'm not saying I know anything more medically. Obviously, the medical concerns are massive.

But he was just playing football at an extremely high level. And you do wonder, sometimes these guys fall too far because of this stuff. Starr-Lodaleli is one guy that everyone got spooked about his physical issues right before the draft. It ends up, it hasn't been an issue at. all for him so who knows it seems like a guy just based on his skill set that he can do everything that he can cover that he can be you know he can track and that he's worth a shot you know in the second round doesn't seem like he's going to go too much for him reminds me of day kwan bowers who was being talked about as the first pick overall in the draft and slid to what late

in the second round yeah that was in the 60s and doctors with doctors said the same thing this guy's going to need micro fracture and you know what with him the slide was warranted he never really was an explosive player so who knows that's sad though it is sad it is sad also someone that fell down the first round a little bit um robert gimdice defensive tackle uh from miss goes to the arizona cardinals old miss i believe old miss excuse me of course i knew that uh he goes to uh the arizona cardinals the defending nmc west champions that uh feels like like a nice fit. But there is a lesson to be learned that we were ahead of the curve on this.

We knew this could be a problem. So let's just have some fun and talk about it a little bit. Let's sing. So, Kim D.J., Kim D.J., Kemp D.J., Why did you fall out that window? Kim DJ, Kim DJ, Kim DJ Why did you fall out that window

It almost certainly affected your traft stock You fell down the board as well That's it Irish I dare say that is by far your finest piece of music yet And you have had many songs that you've sung on this podcast That almost sounded professional I'd agree. I think that somehow that song needs to get to him because it's going to lift his spirits.

I'd say something else. More of us should fall out windows if what it means is you wind up with the Cardinals because there's no better team in the league right now. In a song like that. Hot take, fall out a window. Listen, the Cardinals have shown they can do this. By the way, if I get drafted next year, that's going to be my walk-up song. Drafted into what? Dan's song.

Well, just in case. Drafted to Bleacher Report. Listen, the Cardinals did the same thing with Tyron Matthew, right? They take Honey Badger, a team that just rolls down draft boards. We can't handle this guy. He's too unmanageable. And Ariens has shown that when he trusts a player and he likes them, and if Steve Kimes on board, they completely alter that guy's career.

This is the perfect landing spot. Because no risk it, no biscuit. I think, unlike HoneyBash is setting you up, by the way, to at the same time, say, no biscuit. So why don't you, let's try it again. Go ahead, Wes. why no risk it no wait wait wait wait what he starts it and then you and then you say at the same time no biscuit no biscuit no biscuit west you were supposed to say it too this is a mess all right one more why does only dan know what's supposed to happen well maybe that's that's what you

were thinking the first time right it was not what i was thinking but i appreciate your vision all right well i'll be i'll be the role of mark why am i getting both no risk it no biscuit no biscuit and the I was not the one. It was like Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. I don't know why I got bumped from that skit. I certainly gave you many tries there. Well, the second was on Wes. Speaking of which, you mentioned the walk-up songs, Greg.

Did you have any, anybody have any takeaways on the walk-up songs? The one that, which we publish exclusively on NFL.com, about 30 minutes before the start of the draft, every draft prospect gets to select their own song. It's usually hip-hop heavy. Speaking of Jim Dice, who fell out that window, he had by far the most interesting, intriguing choice, Lazarus, which was the first single and the final first single from David Bowie before his death, he went with Lazarus, which is kind of like a slow, you know, low tempo, some longing saxophone in there, just a really interesting choice by Kim Dice, he was an interesting dude. Very interesting. I mean, that's the most interesting team in the league. Unlike Honey Badger, like people have questioned his effort level sometimes,

and certainly his production in college was not like a Honey Badger type where he was producing a lot all the time. But man, that's a fun team. As for the walk-up songs, you know, I recognize six or so, which was a bigger number than last year, so I feel like I'm getting deeper. I threw out. Well, there are a couple songs that are not from this decade in there, too.

I threw out a way to find out how cool you are, which is you there's 26 songs here and then multiply how many you know by four scale one to a hundred um so if you can get you know like a 75 that's really good because a lot of this is you know you got to be a young cat although you know like uh i do jack conklin the offensive tackle a big gun by acdc one of the only rock tracks on this i like that he didn't go with like a two on the nose acdc uh song um reggie raglan maybe this why i didn't get drafted me PSA by Jay-Z, that's a good choice. Raglin went with Mo Money-Bow problems.

We've got to retire that one. Teams don't like that. Oh, yeah. Which one had a... Your Jets pick, right, wasn't it? Yeah. Where is he? Public service announcement.

Oh, PSA, yeah, that's one of my favorite Jay-Z songs. According to your formula, I couldn't be any less cool, but I'm not sure that I measure it based on draft picks in their little songs. Yeah. Is it fitting that Carson Wentz went with flyover states? Yeah, I saw a lot of people. have a similar comment, Jason Al Dean, who's a country artist, I believe.

Because North Dakota is a flyover state? Exactly, giving a lot of shout out. And Jared Gough wouldn't with California love. Hey, let's do a little 8 o'clock delight. All right, this is I will do it. I'm going to throw it around to you guys. I'm just going to a draft pick at random. Mark Sessler, Jared Gough, number one pick to the Rams.

I like it. It cements the fact the way that the Rams used their full time to do this and wait it all up until the night to make this pick that the NFL and the Rams are absolutely in love with each other and it is a beautiful romance. Does it feel like maybe I shouldn't say this? It's a little ridiculous. On an NFL, you know, property. It doesn't feel like the fix was in a little bit, this whole thing.

They got the number one pick, the first year in L.A. I say no more. I will shut up. Saturday League figures approaching. Chris Wessling, Eli, Apple, New York Giants. Yeah, I don't know much about it. him he's a young guy they need cornerbacks good pick i guess the guy is good in the kitchen they need to keep adding defensive parts and he is good in the kitchen as we know tall carl joseph safety

oakland raiders pick 14 west again scouts love this guy they could not be more effusive in their praise he's a torpedo basically combines bob sanders hard hitting with earl thomas's range and drew comparisons to brian dawkins i love everything about this pick he didn't didn't get knocked at off for tearing his ACL. It happened in the fourth game of the year. He expects to be ready for training camp. I love it. Greg Rosenthal, pick six with the Ravens.

Ronnie Stanley tackle out of Notre Dame. Oh, Ronnie. A lot of people, a lot of people didn't think there was a huge difference between Ronnie Stanley and Tunzel. But this is a pick. If Tunsel's better than Stanley, the Ravens will be questioning themselves because they wanted Tunsel more. New York Jets, pick 20.

Darren Lee, outside linebacker, Ohio State. Dan. Well, this is what I'll have to say about this one. I think they needed an outside linebacker. I'm happy they passed on Paxton Lynch. I'm happy they passed on Lyle Jack. I don't know a ton about this guy, but he's supposed to be fast. The Jets needed speed. And I trust Todd Bowles' vision. We haven't had anybody who could get to the quarterback since John Abraham was in town. That was over a decade ago since they traded him to Atlanta. So maybe this is the guy. Their defense is going to be a hell of a lot better with a true pass. Sure. Chris Wessling, the Indianapolis Colts selected center Ryan Kelly out of Alabama, 18. Another pick I love. Andrew Luck is the most hit quarterback in the NFL since he entered the league.

They've not been able to fix their offensive blind problems. This guy was the best interior line in the draft. And the Jeff Saturday to Andrew Lux, Peyton Manning. Ooh, I like that. DJ really liked that one too. He said plug him in. It's center guard. He'll be a stud. Pittsburgh Steelers take a man named Artie Burns. It sounds like he's an 80-year-old man playing Pinochle in Miami,

but he's actually a young cornerback from Miami. The Steelers took him at 25, Greg. I think he owns Vesuvio and Sopranos Ardy Burns, doesn't he? No. Ooh, the bit cost you an analysis. We prefer the bit. I got a projector seated out of that game.

Oh, did we? I don't know. I give you a little Rams seat and then it's go West, Greg, West, West, Greg, West. Hey, guess what? It's our podcast. We can talk whatever we want. Yeah.

Less and less I want to say. Take a player. No, I mean, yeah. You know what I like the Bengals? Wait, wait, wait, let Craig finish your soliloquy. What's the soliloquy? Ardy Burns was a guy. A lot of people didn't have in the first couple rounds.

Boom or bust, like, massive physical guy that the Steelers are just taking a chance on in the secondary. It feels like they always do this and it never works with cornerbacks. They are terrible. They're terrible at taking secondary players, but they keep going. after the same type. Well, let's talk about one thing, the best playoff game from last year, Steelers, Bengals. Both teams still better. The Bengals didn't get their wide receiver, so they go and take William Jackson right before Pittsburgh picks, another

cornerback, and maybe that's the guy that Pittsburgh wanted. You stick it to the Steelers, and I can always get behind that. Sessler fired up tonight, by the way. You weren't in love with the 49ers either, that they traded back into the first round. Shout out to Connie Fox, by the way, for picking up some sandwiches on that one. 49 is taking two two picks in the first round.

But DeForest Buckner, though, that guy looks like an Old Testament hero is like a foot and a half taller than everyone else around him. He is a badass. I love that pick. The Old Testament were like 4 foot 11. I know, but there's always someone that emerges

like 18 inches taller than everyone else. Am I crazy or he played with Eric Armstead in college? And they were Twin Towers? Reckers in college, and Armstead was a good pick by them last year. Now you get them back together again. I like that. You got Bookend Callais Campbell's now?

Something like that. We should get out of here. But before we go, we'll dig into the... No, I want to hear everyone go around the room and talk about Germain Afidi. I only speak about him in private. So do the Seahawks. Well, it's the first round pick for the Seahawks. No, I'm just kidding.

I didn't really expect. We will get into the sandwich prop results on Saturday, Saturday night show. That's when we'll be back after round seven. We should do a little bit of business. We gave the Irishman another chance to ask a question after his great disaster of last Monday. And the Irishman, why don't you throw it out there, Brandon, what is your prop, your proper prop? Notre Dame linebacker. Jalen Smith will be drafted in the first.

or second round. All right. So we're halfway home in terms of this wager. Greg and I both took the Irishman up on that one. Wes and Mark sat it out. No, we didn't have taken it. No, we all. We both took it.

We did more research. Well, this is, you got, you got jobbed a little bit by all the time, you know, that we had. Because initially, I was the only one that was going to take it. Well, I just misunderstood. I called these guys out for being chumps that you're just giving away sandwiches. And then they were like, oh, yeah, there's no. chance Brandon's going to be right about it. He's got something called the sandwiches.

He's got something called drop foot. Right. He literally made... I'd say you played the game poorly because had you just said, you know, I don't feel good about this money to take it. I would have been like, I'm definitely not taking it. Then Greg was like, you fools. And so I started to do more research and like...

It doesn't take sandwiches and wait for me. As long as it's just given, you know, you can have your sandwiches, that's fine. Dan, I have to tell you some real quick, though. What? I talked to my lovely mother after I said that, and she said she listened to the podcast. So what did you think about mine? all she sent back was

Not mad, just disappointed Wow Yep, no joke Seems appropriate That's hilarious Thank you for the support on Reddit though People saw where I was coming from About four of them

That's good Yeah You found four people on the entire internet That actually liked that Initial prop I'm up to two hands now Those four people will never be allowed To make lunch propositions

All right So we'll track that one Yeah we'll go through the rest of them On Saturday show So maybe, I don't know if we'll be able to do it, Kevin Patcher, who is in Chicago, Kevin Patrick coming at you. Maybe we get him on the line Saturday, but he, good chance he'll be very drunk by the time we wrap up our report. Well, he kind of hits it at 10.30 in the morning.

Well, he's worried. By the way, he's working all day. He better not be drinking at 10.30 in the morning. He's writing post. I don't know if he'll be drunk, I should say, but I think he made a comment that he would be in a bar when we were actually recording on Saturday. That's true. Because we have to write. I assume he'll be drunk at the bar.

It's a very safe bet. Which is fine. Just do not, don't wear the gas mask. All right. We'll be back on Saturday night with a complete draft recap. We'll do some winners and losers. We'll check out our sandwich props. It's going to be a great time.

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