NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - 2016 NFL Draft Winners & Losers

Episode Date: May 1, 2016

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler discuss the final six rounds of the 2016 NFL Draft, including the Cowboys drafting Jaylon Smith early in the second round and the Jets selecting Christian Hackenberg. Then, the heroes share their winners and losers from this year’s draft before ending the podcast looking at the final tally from the latest edition of “Go Get my Lunch!”Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is a solid third round round draft pick. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined by a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. The 2016 NFL draft is in the book.

It ended, I would say, approximately 40 minutes ago with a, excuse me, a cornerback Kaelin Reed going to the Titans with the 253rd and final pick, Mr. Irrelevant. So now we sift through the wreckage. Lots to get to. I mean, the Titans, who you used to call the Titans, but are they officially out of the titoon territory? Depends where you come at. Because them taking Mr. Irrelevant, you could argue, is fitting.

But I think Chris Wessling, for one, likes what they did on draft day. I love what they did. And right now, they would be my nomination for Team of ATL. Wow. I'm going to zag while everyone is ziggin to the Jaguars. They're going to be too trendy. They definitely will be beyond trendy. They'll just be expected to make the playoffs at this point, which is a dangerous place to be.

But I'm not going to let the world loving the Jaguars get in the way of me enjoying watching that team come together and rooting for that team. I still think they're an option. Cessler, who's been on the Jaguars train for year after year waiting for this moment, is it going to be upsetting to you that everyone else is now joining? Are you going to possibly jump off because now the bandwagon is going to fill up? I am not going to jump off that bandwagon for a bandwagon being steered and engineered by Mike Malarkey. I like the Titans, too.

That's a very concerning, very concerning element. And I think that they've got a great quarterback. Let's start there. It's fair. But no matter how you feel about Mike Malarkey, I think it's a very important. promising that they are drafting to fit what he does. Well, one thing I've liked about the team of ATL, and we'll get into this later in the offseason and whatnot.

I like watching the teams play a couple times in week one and two before we decide. You got to see what they look like on the field. We don't need, you know. We'll be picking a team of ATL in late November if it follows suit. You'll end up with the Chargers. A lot to get to, guys. On our last show, we dug into the first round,

the first 31 picks of the draft. went down and now we will go through the rest of the draft seven rounds a lot of stuff to get to but I guess a good place to start and it does this was a tough draft for a New York Jets fan I got to say this this is where we're starting this is where we're talking with the show because it well if we're talking about the most compelling storylines day two and three the Jets taking Mr. Hackenberg with the 51st overall pick. That's the day with disdain is, to me. It's up there.

It's one of them. It's definitely up there as one of the most compelling storylines. Because let's face it, when the Jets have this quarterback issue, it's been lingering through the offseason. It's been very annoying as a Jets fan, this Fitzpatrick charade that's been, charade that's been going on for months and months. And this was the latest grenade lob from Big Mac, Magic Mike McCagnan. He said, I'm not waiting for you.

I'm going to go get this guy, Christian Hakenberg. Penn State had a really good freshman year where everybody thought he was the next big thing. And then had two mediocre seasons where he got pummeled, apparently, behind a terrible offensive line that was filled with converted defensive linemen and things of that nature. Hashtag narratives. Yeah, his numbers were not good at all. And just to give you, the Jets got killed for the pick. It's, it's fun. It's fun for, you know, people in this room, people in the newsroom, people on Twitter,

to get on the Jets for blowing drafts because the Jets have blown so many in the past. And Hakenberg was the perfect, even his name, Hakenberg. It's a perfect type of guy that you can see being a massive bust that ruins Mike McCagnan's career. But I choose to have a little bit of hope here. It would, yeah, it would be hard to ruin one pick. Well, it's a quarterback, yeah. When you have a quarterback and he's going to be a guy that's going to be in the mix pretty quickly, I would think, whether it's this year or next. So my initial thoughts were, geez, they went with a second round pick on a quarterback when they had so many other needs.

And it's this guy that's a polarizing guy. It spooked me as a Jets fan who they've taken quarterbacks year after year for a decade, by the way. And they never seem to hit on the guy. But we say this, Greg, we say this in this room all the time, like. like the pick or not, you keep on picking a quarterback until you finally found one. So Big Mac did. Should we really be killing him for it? I don't think they've gotten routinely killed.

It was more just like, wow, this is interesting. And wow, it's the guy. I think that was going to get killed wherever he went. People did not like Christian Hackenberg. When they put up the positives and negatives from NFL Network and the negatives are game film, that's a bad sign. I mean, they showed some of his passes and what DJ said, that really stuck out to me. He said, you know, you can talk about the protection and all that.

He misses wide open throws by big margins. He did that in his pro day. He did that in different areas where they just didn't think he was accurate, that he was pegging guys on the sideline like it was Colin Kaepernick. I think the negative thing, beyond even Hakenberg, whoever a quarterback they picked at that spot, whether you liked him or not, is that the immediate reverb was, oh, suddenly this potential two-year deal for Fitzpatrick or whatever it would have been, has now been trimmed to a one-year deal, if anything. And when we were texting, you know, Dan's immediate reaction was, I need to take a walk, and I get that.

Because I had to clear my head. I had to figure what was going on here because I still remember having a quarterback that set the Jets record for touchdowns a couple months ago. And now they seem to be moving on without him or putting him in a position where, hey, buddy, if you want to come back one year, maybe $8 million, which is backup quarterback money, even though you just had one of the best quarterback season. ever in franchise history. It has gotten to that point and that toxic, I think, between the two sides.

So now I have no idea what's getting on. Well, yeah, and the problem is, and this is what we were discussing, you know, away from anything that we printed yesterday was you have a quarterback room now that has Gino Smith, who potentially shouldn't even be on the team if they had another quarterback. You probably won't be. You have Bryce Petty and Hakenberg, and there's the complete absence of that veteran that can say, this is what the NFL is even about. Here's what we even do in these meetings.

It's a group of complete, you know, naive. So it's be concerning. Greg had an idea to rank the most poisonous quarterback rooms. I thought that was a good one. Oh, wow. That came from Greg? Yeah. Surprising.

Well, it wasn't inspired by the Jets at all. It was inspired by Brian Hoyer just agreeing to terms with the bears. I feel like the Hoyer-Cutler matchup, that would have to rank number one. That's a fair. Grandford Wentz has to be right up there. Bradford and the Eagles. And Chase Daniel celebrated. Right.

That's in the top. He's just playing peacemaker the whole time. That's in the top three. But whether you get Fitzpatrick back there or not, it is problematic right now that Gino Smith is your starter. And I like Gino Smith. Wait, wait, you set that up in a flawed way. What?

If Ryan Fitzpatrick is back, Gino Smith is gone. I said right now Gino Smith is their starter. Ryan Fitzpatrick reportedly was so upset with the previous offers that he was considering sitting out football instead of playing. Did you buy that? I didn't necessarily, I don't know. I buy that Ryan Fitzpatrick bought it and that he believed it in his heart at that moment.

And McCagman said that about Gino yesterday. Right. And McCagman said, Gino is our starter right now, and they made it clear they want to bring Fitzpatrick back. They don't want any other veterans. They want to bring Fitzpatrick back, but it's at their money. And who knows, maybe he'll really just make a stand.

And then you're going through the offseason with Gino Smith, Bryce Petty, and Christian Hackenberg as your quarterback. And I like Gino, but that is probably. problematic if you're a Jets fan. A little late on the drop there. You've got to be quicker. Oh, no.

Oh, watch out. All right on the interstate. By the way, with this drop, which is problematic as well, why would a jet crash like a car? Well, it's an excellent point. It's a logical point that Dan has raised. You could figure it out if you really thought about it. A cartoon car, by the way.

You could figure it out. I look at the end of that crash, like the single little pieces are landing on the ground. It's never a good sign when QB1 will either start or be released. Right, exactly. It's like the Charlie Fry situation. I think the Jets can be fine with Gino Smith. I think the difference between him and Ryan Fitzpatrick is minimal potentially. I really do believe that.

Well, you are the biggest Gino Smith fan in the world. You just brought back Charlie Fry. That's dire. I think the Jets believe that or else they would have offered Ryan Fitzpatrick a better contract at some point. A couple more things, and then we'll move on. Number one, those terrible combine. workouts and the and the pro day or whatever where his throws are bad they said that they have to they got to redo this guy's mechanics because he took such a beating at Penn State that they got

all out of whack so they got to restart they got to restart with him and if you believe in chan galley which i think people should believe in it was a quarterback guy after what he just did with ryan fitzpatrick maybe he gets him fixed and then one other thing i'll say is that todd mitchie one year ago had hackenberg projected as the number one overall pick in this draft i'm just saying Before everyone jumps to the idea that the Jets took a bum, he perhaps will be. History tells us he will be a bum. I never made any judgments about it other than I needed to think about it.

Hey, here's another guy. Let's let it play out. Number one overall on his board going into the senior year. Javon Sneed. Well, or how about, you remember that? How about Matt? It doesn't matter. Matt Barkley, too, Cardell Jones.

Like these guys, sometimes if you stay that extra year, your stock plummets. My point is nobody knows anything. We'll see what happens. I'm a little spooked about it. But I'm a hopeful Jets fan. I always have been, and I hope maybe he's the guy to break the streak. Rich Semeni, good line.

Jets still waiting for their second cup of Joe franchise quarterback. I do like that they're drafting someone every year. That's not a big deal. You know who's drafted more quarterbacks than anyone in the last 15 years? Doing the Patriots. Yep, with Tom Brady. They took a third round pick. It's not the end of the world.

Well, they're basically just hiring people to, like, mop up the kitchen floor and stuff they'll never see the field we know that i'll tell you what though i ain't getting on the gino coaster if that's how it does play out i will be very angry that'll be weird i'll be rooting for the jets and dan won't i wouldn't quit on the team but i would be very angry on to the around the nfl podcast wow well west by the way it's just a joke west off the beach i didn't even work with us today you know you're welcome for coming in on my often i'm so blessed let west listen this was a big uh a big day I came in for the Jets podcast. Big storyline in the draft, that's all.

I'm just making a joke. You don't even have a team. We couldn't go to yours. You're right. All 32 of them are my babies. He's just making a joke. All right. Let me go with the team that will get Wes angry.

The Dallas Cowboys. I'm kind of on the Cowboys. They got rid of Hardy. Pick up a backup. You're back in? Roll in, roll out, whatever pleases you. Yeah, it's an easy life of Chris Wessling. That's a job of an analyst.

With the third pick of the second round, the Cowboys took Jalen Smith. Notre Dame, a guy that's not even going to play this year, most likely. The knee injury was so serious in college. But we were told over and over again that this guy has a potential to be a complete stud when healthy. So to me, it was, and Brandon, the Irishman going nuts behind the glasses. See, Cowboys? I think we had something attached to this.

Oh, yeah. We'll get to that later. Hang in there, Brandon. Sorry, I should have remembered that. But this was to me, a classic Cowboys draft, top of the Jeff Gerra draft. They take the running back that everyone fell in love with early in the first round. And then they get the buzzy injured guy. Wes, did we like the move?

Well, I think the one thing that I got out of this was Ian's report that the Cowboys doctor did the surgery. So they know more about him than any other team. So that makes sense to me. Do you trust that more than Jerry's penchant for swinging for the fences? Because this guy could be the best. player in the draft or never play a down-of-football. It's well said, and I also think that it's a study in the fact that there's only two or three teams in the league that could make this move without being worried about your boss

coming down on you. Jerry Jones is, along with maybe the Patriots and Belichick, one of the few teams where the GM is empowered to swing for the fences like this. His team. Well, but I mean, would David Caldwell want to take this chance? I think maybe he would, but the ramifications are too rough for most GMs. No, I mean, Mayok and Jeremiah, they were thinking he would go late third compensatory, and who knows, it might even go further.

But it's a guy, you had to love the moment. It was probably the biggest moment of Friday and Saturday, I think just from a football and story perspective of him getting drafted and for it to be from the Cowboys and a chance to maybe play next to Sean Lee, How about that combination? You love it. And it's a, even though it is a three games a year, that combination. It's very much a Cowboys move because it's a big splash.

On the other hand, you think of the Cowboys as kind of a win now. We've got to do it now type of team. And yet it's really not a win now move at all. It's a let's put this guy on ice for a year and let's see what pays off later. So I give Jerry Jones kudos for doing something that take a lot of guts and take some patience because, you know, They're running out of years here with Tony Roma. And who knows, they tried to trade up for Paxton Lynch. It's almost maybe never would have happened.

But maybe, you know, the Cowboys probably would have taken them in the third round because I don't know if anyone else would have. It's funny. They're a win-now team that's been to the playoffs once in the past seven years, I believe. Right. I mean, but that is the mentality and they do go for it year to year. They did it in last year's draft. I think any team that has a 36, 7-year-old quarterback coming off multiple injuries

is a win-now team when you don't have another quarterback. Although they did draft it while we're talking Cowboys. we might as well mention, Dak Prescott. A lot of people liked quite a bit taken in the fourth round by that Cowboys. Nice spot for him, at least. Well, yeah, I thought they were going to take one earlier in the draft and they tried to, it sounds like. But yeah, they had to get somebody else in there.

I don't know a lot about this guy. But again, they are in a situation where Romo is going to have to stay healthy. Once again, for them to have any chance. There's not going to be any safety net with them. And they've been, I believe I saw a stat today that they're 1 and 13 without Romo. in the last couple of years. So it's again... That's on the GM slash owner

for not having a better back. I mean, they have Kellenmore and Jamel Showers who I think we're all very, you know, familiar. I mean, he is a human, I believe. But you could do all that. You could have this like the new Adrian Peterson in the backfield.

You could have this game-breaking linebacker. But if Tony gets hurt, nothing matters. True with most teams in the starting quarter. Most, but seems like the Cowboys more than other teams. And speaking of injury risk draft picks, Let's move to the Jacksonville Jaguars. Who are the Jaguars? Marlon.

How about the Jaguars, huh? I mean, the one thing I think about Jacksonville, well, well, Miles Jack, who was thought to be a first round pick, maybe mid-first round, maybe even top 10, if somebody got really excited about him. He had a knee issue people were concerned about, but the Jaguars went for it. They took Jack with, what pick was that?

It's the fourth pick of the third round. Fourth pick of the third round. They take Jack off the board. And Wes, tell us now when you look at this team after their first round pick, they get the big cornerback, their first round pick last year we didn't see. All of a sudden, what did he got cooking there? Well, I think if you're a Jaguars fan, you get excited about the fact that basically you're getting three top five talents because Dante Fowler was the top five pick.

He's coming back. Jalen Ramsey, some people thought was the best player in the draft. People love that guy. Some people thought Miles Jack was the best player in the draft. So Miles Jack might only play five years. Who knows he might only play two years. He might play 12. But I think you have to be excited for all that.

And their GM said it, well, you have to take some chances. I don't think that you can just sit back and be conservative all the time. And his free agent class allowed him to take some chances because he has depth now. I mean, I would say that I can try to think of another team that in one offseason did as much on one side of the ball to improve every level of their defense. I can't think of another team. It's the combination of the wrist they took where they were in the draft and the free agency moves. I mean, they're under pressure, but these weren't all desperate moves either. They all fit with Gus Bradley's defense.

And that's why I do think that they're an ATN team potential because there's reason to believe that the defense, which is what, 31st in the league giving points up last year. If it's not better now, it's a Gus Bradley problem. Well, there's also the- Well, we're just overrated. Or it could be a football god's problem because the Jaguar seemed like a team that struggle to kind of get everything to coales in a way that allows it to and they're taking some chances here they got foulers coming off in acl we don't know if he'll be the same athlete and we don't

know if jack is going to be healthy i mean the ramsie sounds like a stud in their secondary now but they still need some things to click properly but on the surface on draft day or right after the draft seems like they did a lot of good work i mean literally two of the top three players on dj's board and i put stock into jy's evaluation that's he had jack number two two. That was the kind of player. And you think of what you want in a 2016 linebacker. It's a guy that can do everything. He can do weak side.

He can be a kind of a thumper in the middle. You can have him pass rush. You can have him cover tight ends and wide receivers. Then you have Telvin Smith, who I think is a really underrated good player. You put him next to Telvin Smith. I mean, they are just very athletic everywhere. And they didn't really touch the offense at all, not only a little bit in free agency with Chris Ivory, but in this draft there,

The first four picks were all defense. I mean, they just kept loading up defensive pick after defensive pick, and it's up to Bradley to make it work. To put this in perspective, a year ago at this time, we were saying that basically the only above-average player on that roster was son Derek Marks. And now he's like the eighth or ninth guy you think of on that defense. They pick up to Sean Gibson, who's a Pro Bowl safety, Malik Jackson.

They gave a ton of money to. You mentioned Talvin Smith, Prince, Prince, and Mukamara. He's solid. I mean, you have to make the, you have to win, though. And the expectations now is anything less than nine and seven is a bad season that probably gets. I think a lot of people. But that probably was the case even before this draft of free agency. So you might as well go for it.

But they will be seen maybe as the AFC South favorite, which is tricky because the Colts and the Texans are there thinking they're going to make the playoffs too with good reason. So there's going to be other three teams that. Don't forget about the Titans like that. I don't think the Titans are going to believe. leave they're the best. It doesn't mean, though, when you add all these players, it can take even, like, eight weeks of a season for these guys that have never played together,

half of them to gel. That's the risk. Does ownership have the patience? I think he's shown him. If it's that situation. And again, they get out to a two-and-eight start, and they're out of the mix. And then, you know, you worry about if that leads to a firing,

if they have a bad season, they have to reboot the machine. Will they mess this up? But it seems like there's a nice core here. And by the way, the guy that we probably got talked about the least in the second round was poor. Henry Hunter, the tight end, the chargers took a 35 overall. He was taken between Jalen Smith and Miles Jack.

Jack went in the second round, 36th overall. Antonio Gates' replacement someday. Old Hunter Henry. The second replacement. First, we thought it was Ladarius Green. That would be his replacement. And now, perhaps, Henry Hunter. Hunter Henry.

Hunter Henry, excuse me. I hope his middle initials is H-square. H-square. New Triple H. all right now let's move to the titans there you go west those big market teams that west doesn't like now we're getting into the afc south you like that the tennessee titans here's here's an idea out of that field

forget team of a titheel division of a tv oh the afc south i can get on board with that all right so let's look at what the titans did here and um that would be going to pull this in the game i like that Well, that everyone would have a little bit of something to like. Yeah, because I think we've proven team of ATL is not going to please all four people. I didn't like their first pick. I thought they should have taken tonsil. A lot of people did.

Jack Conklin, I don't know about his ability, but they got a big tackle and somebody that could protect the quarterback, which they need it. And then they go and they get Derek Henry. They have four picks, three picks in the second round. Kevin Dodd, defensive end, Austin Johnson, nose tackle. So they address their interior line. And then they go and get Derek Henry. He had Alabama who's known as like a hard downhill guy and they got DeMarco Murray there. I think we all thought the Murray trade had some red flags to it.

But you pair him with a young dog like this. Maybe it works. My biggest winner for the offseason is Marcus Marriota. No matter what you think about Mike Malarkey and I know everybody doubts him, he's a vanilla option for your coach. But he has a defined philosophy and Terry Robiskey does too. They're going to play power play action football and they pick up. the nastiest offensive lineman in the draft, put him at right tackle.

They pick up a new Eddie George with Derek Henry. They're a much tougher team. And if you watch them, I watched all of Mario's throws for our redraft series. You're watching the Dolphins at Cam Wakes coming off beating the right tackle every single time. You've got Antonio Andrews as the slowest running back in the league, and he's got no one to throw to.

And now you, if DGB's another year older, you've got him, you pick up Richard Matthews, at least some bigger bodies, but I think it's exciting they're going to play smash mouth football. They ran mostly last year, boot action and run option. And if you're going to do that, you have to have a running attack. They had no running attack. I think it's going to be a much different game. But why draft the same type of player as DeMarco Murray?

You just invested in DeMarco Murray, and you get another guy. Markle is a 29-year-old running back who was terrible last year. That's fine, but they just invested in him. Not a ton, but they invested in him. And Henry's a straight-ahead guy who a lot of people, didn't think was going to fit on many teams. Maybe he'll fit on this team, but it's not a player that gets you excited. They drafted for their philosophy.

The most common trait of running backs, I think, that end up making it is someone with a little lateral juice that can make you miss in a hole, whether they're big or they're small. And Henry, there's big questions about whether he has that and whether he's an asset at all on passing downs, which, oh, by the way, almost every down is a passing down in the NFL. They have Dexter McCluster. So if Dexter, if you have a guy that you just traded for and you paid good money, And then you have a second round pick, and Dexter McCluster is paying half the snaps because you're always in third and long. And that's a problem. Well, DeMarco Murray's excellent in the passing game.

He's okay. He's very good in the passing game. Well, he wasn't last year. I mean, we need to see what DeMarco Murray is. The Marco Murray averaged more than 10 yards per reception. We need to see what DeMarco Murray is next season before. He didn't move that well last season. But also, that whole thing was a mess.

I almost want to just give him a mulligan for the Philadelphia experience and just see what he can do this year. but I like the idea of pairing. Who was the guy that we liked last summer in Tennessee? Well, they had David Cobb. I like Cobb. I don't mean. He's big.

He's persona non-grossed. Look at it as a previous regime because the old coach got fired for the protection, so you're right. And let's not forget, they have Dick Leboe running the defense. I mean, this is, there is a reason to get behind Tennessee, but like the Jaguars, you've got to go show it. I think their defensive. This whole AFC sell. I think their defensive roster does have more potential than people think. I think it's not a exciting.

group, but if top to bottom it's deeper than a lot of defense, then you would think when you just think of the Titans defense. Mark, does it spook you that Dick LeBoe is older than George Burns? He doesn't seem old George Burns, did you say? It's not older than George Burns. That a George Burns reference?

Wow. It's a G.B. reference. George Burns was 90 when Mark and I were kids. That is, by the way, the AFC South, you're not concerned, by the way? That he's an older man. Well, it's not factual. I'm not going to be concerned with a fact that is not a fact. George Burns passed away at age 100 in 1996, so RIP, George Burns.

Georgie boy. He was born in 1896. It's an old dude. Original name, Nathan Bernbaum. What were you going to say about the AFC South Day? I was going to say that the AFC South is shaping up, and I can't believe I'm saying this, and it tells you how quickly things change in the National Football League, the most fascinating division.

I wonder if someone wrote an article about this at the owner's meetings. Did you? Probably not. Were you there? Yes, I was there. I penned a long feature story about it. The Colts, Titans, Jaguars, and Texans. Put those teams in order in how they'll finish right now, Wes.

That's a tough question. Colts first. Okay. I'm going to hold you. I don't know. This is too hard. Colts first, Jaguars second. Yummy.

Texans, third, Titans fourth. But I could see the Titans finishing first, too. I think if we want to get saucy, you cannot have that. We've got to get the Colts out of first. I think do not underestimate the. fact that Marcus Mariotta could turn into be a fantastic quarterback. Well, it's a great quarterback division in terms of intrigue. I mean, I want to see what Andrew Luck does this year after what happened.

Speaking of Mullins, I love watching Blake Bordellon for last year. I think we do. We're assuming, and the Jaguars are assuming that the Jaguars keep all that offensive progress and keep it going. Like, we'll see. We'll see what Blake Borders does. I mean, he's a blast to watch. The Texans are the team, I think, that's set up to be a little disappointing.

But they had a fun little weak, too. what are you talking about did you just say a blast to watch yeah that's an old old speaking of george burns oh yeah they'll be a blast to watch a lot of young kids really working hard out there it's like charlie castorly was suddenly in my right let's talk about the texans because they're an exciting team and had an interesting draft as well they load up on offense fellows they used their they only had six picks in the draft and they focused on the offensive side of the ball the first four picks. They went with a wide receiver, Will Fuller at a Notre Dame.

I saw that pick was panned in some places. Some people thought he was kind of the one-trick speedster pony that doesn't work out to. You know what? They say things like that about, you know, a John Brown coming out too. We don't know anything. It worked out fine for Deshaun Jackson. But I think people, because they were that when they had that run. No one said that about John Brown.

Who said that about John Jackson, though, didn't they? Sure. When they had that a fine career run of three wide receivers in the first round, I think the Titans were up first, and they took Fuller. So some people thought Treadwell and who was the other. Josh Dotson. Josh Dotson on the board there. Well, I think they already have a D'Andre Hopkins,

who's a possession receiver and a red zone threat. They needed to take the top off the defense guy. Braxton Miller will take it to D'Andre Hopkins as well. That would be nice. Well, they play a different position. Well, anyway, so Fuller goes with their first pick, 21st overall. Then they go get a guard, Nick Martin out of Notre Dame.

Okay, center. So back-to-back Notre Dame guys. And then Braxton Miller, wide receiver out Ohio State. So two of their first three picks are wide out. So they're determined to give Brock Osweiler some weapons, more weapons. And then with their fourth pick, 119 overall, Tyler Irvin. So they add a running back, which they need to start rebuilding that backfield now that Aaron, Arient Foster's in the past.

Not bad. A totally different look, Wes. Yeah, I think of two things when I think of what they did. First of all, if you're going to invest that much money in Brock Osweiler, it's smart to give him what he needs to be successful and the other thing I think is Bill O'Brien's a big winner because we saw him last year resort to smoke and mirrors in this offense

it was gadget plays left and right he didn't trust his quarterback he didn't trust any of the weapons to do anything except DeAndre Hopkins and they got they go out and get a 4-4 running back in Lamar Miller 4-3 wide receiver and will fuller 4-3 slot receiver in Braxton Miller and then Irvin the running back in space they just added a ton of speed and playmaking ability.

Right, you got to scat back to pair with Lamar Miller. Thinking about this offense now and all these young players, and Braxton Miller, who knows? I mean, he just started playing wide receiver. What his ceiling could be, or maybe this shows a lack of confidence in Osweiler, and they think Braxton Miller could be a quarterback. No, I think that, I mean, Braxton Miller is one of the most, you know, inspiring college stories because out for the entire 2014 season,

and he didn't get a lot of touches last year to Ohio State, not what some of these other wide receivers that got drafted around him did, but he's an incredible athlete. And, I mean, the Texans, if you think about it, they were a committee by running back by committee last year, a quarterback by committee, and DeAndre Hopkins still went absolutely off with a bunch of Joe's throwing the ball to him.

One of the big losers this weekend is Hoyer, looking at all this in Houston. Look at what they're doing for this guy Osweiler. Meanwhile, I'm stuck, you know, taking a backup contract. Well, they knew what Hoyer was. It's almost like he was the inciting moment, too. though I think he was so bad that the owner's like not we have some great pieces here but what we have is not working and he's the main reason why car crash sound epic january meltdown

spurns massive contract for osweiler and draft day splur and it and it not only that it changed the the the course of the texans and the broncos if you think of maybe maybe if maybe if denver keeps osweiler maybe pexton lynch winds up being the houston texans quarterback at Number 21. She's starting to sound like damage check. This is the NFL. I like that we have all four AFC South teams going 12 and four. Yeah, something's got to give.

That is the funny thing. I mean, we just spent almost 20 minutes talking about the AFC South. Good for them. It never happened. But there's a good chance one, two, perhaps three or four of these teams all stink next year. So it's possible. I'm going to say no this time, but I've said that four years in a row. Somebody will disappoint, though.

Sure. At least one. All right. Let's talk about Rex Ryan. You know, there were rumors and whispers that Rex Ryan was out of a job, basically, by the end of his first season in Buffalo, which tells you how disappointed the organization was in the job that Rex did. But you wouldn't be able to tell that based on their drafting. Of course, they took Shaq Lawson, the defensive end with the 19th overall pick.

He's the guy that's supposed to replace Mario Williams. But then their next two picks, they go two more defensive players. And the second guy, or the first guy I'll mention here, Reggie Raglin. at Alabama. He is the most intriguing player here. A lot of people thought that he would go in the first round. There was some type of heart issue. Like Mario Williams had a heart issue,

but it was more like what is not like the, it's like symbolically he didn't have a heart. This guy, Reginald. They're like opposites. It was like, yeah, they're like opposites. This guy actually had a physical defect to some kind. It's enlarged aorta. Aorta.

So that's how he fell down the board. So the bills grab him with the second pick. And then they get a man, nice name Adolphus. Washington at Ohio State with their third pick. Mark, you fell in love with Reggie Raglan in your tape study leading up to the draft. To call it that is a slight exaggeration, a tape study. But I think... You were honking, though.

Yeah, if you go watch him, he's just an absolute, like, old school, hard hitter. Rex Ryan loves him. It fills a need for them. The Bills had a good draft, and I think this is the kind of player that if he does what they think, he could be around for a long time. Well, at least as long as Rex is, so maybe not a long time. Well, we've recommended the book Collision Low Crossers, many times it's been a while though and we know one of the takeaways is how much influence rex had

in that draft room that his force of personality just made him overtake it and they've drafted a defensive player on the rex team for seven straight years this time as you mentioned three straight defensive players to start the draft and in i don't know that's a weird thing to me because should he be running this movie no he does not know how to run this movie before do we want to watch the jets in buffalo i don't i don't want to watch the jets in buffalo i don't i don't want to watch that. But it's a weird thing also for Doug Whaley, who got a contract extension, but it might have just been one year. And to me, he's very year to year. And he's pulled an interesting trick. He has not drafted particularly well in Buffalo. He has survived a first round bust with a

capital B in E.J. Manuel. And you usually don't do that. I mean, that was one of the more shocking picks, I would say, a quarterback of the last five years. And also an oft-criticized pick at the time. That's what I mean. And it has not worked out at all. But he's managed to survive it, and he's just kind of riding the Rex train like Tannenbaum wrote it in New York, and it's just going to hope for the best. Was that the worst quarterback class either of the first two were,

I think 15 overall was manual, and then Gino went early in the second. It was a zero quarterback class. And invariably, someone's going to pump up or, you know, over-value one of them, and the bills fell for with manual. To be fair, while the draft class has to have been deep. defensive oriented. They did go out and get LaShawn McCoy. They traded for him. They went out and thought they got Percy Harvin for more than a season. They went and got Richie

incognito, which was laughed at the time, but worked out. So, you know, they're addressing the offense, but yeah, Whaley should be under fire. They also address the quarterback position, I should say, in the fourth round, and it's a controversial player at Ohio State. There's like literally 400 guys drafted out of Ohio State in this draft. Most players ever in the first three rounds, any college program. Hubba, hubba. That's pretty good. including five of the first 20 picks. Cardell Jones, the quarterback 6-5-253, it's a big boy, but he ran into some issues in his later years

and maybe some bad game tape. So he is kind of a, you know, that's one thing I won't trust ever having followed Rex closely is if any regime is going to take a mid-round quarterback, the chances of him turning into something special are very slim. But I guess you could say Tyrod Taylor turned into something. Well, they have Greg Roman, which he never really had. One thing about Rex, and we are clear about how we feel about the Schottenheimer Jr.,

but he never really had an innovative offensive coordinator attached to him. And with Roman, you know, some don't like Roman, but I think he's certainly a better option than Rex is in your role at X. Well, it's a great. It's a great spot for Cardell Jones who. When are you going to call him, by the way? I think so, too. Wait, wait. And when am I going to call Greg Roman?

Greg Roman is in your phone. You met him in an airport a couple of years back in a league event. when are you going to get that source? Who knows he's not texting him all the time? I'm not texting him all the time. I'm pretty certain that if I were to call him, it's not my name popping up on his phone, just a random number from like Southern California,

and it's you let it go to voicemail, and then it's embarrassing. How stunned would you be if I told you, if you call his number on his phone, quiet storm pops up? Well, I think that's just fantasy. Okay. Go ahead, Greg.

I was going to say Cardale Jones is, you know, one of the more exciting quarterback prospects in this draft to land with Greg, Roman. I mean, that could be fun. I don't know. 12 gauge. Would it stun you to see Cardell Jones like starting a game in week 14? Not at all. Not at all. Not in any way. Just making some crazy plays and who knows. He'll be six and eight.

Well, we don't, Tyrod Taylor does not strike you as an insanely durable quarterback. He's bound to miss a game here or there and that's your next guy up, potentially. All right. So those are the big storylines out of the last two days. So we want to hit on each of those. But now let's, let's again, let's take a bigger step back. Let's go macro. Whoa. wait a minute i can't even see you guys yeah whoa freight of heights bro um let's let's yeah

winners and losers of the 2016 NFL draft go around the horn a couple times here uh and we'll get to the go get my lunch props i know brandon is like salivating behind the glass it's like pawing at the glass oh he's the big winner he's the big winner i promise you brandon we're going to get to it but first the winners and losers of this draft and mark why don't let's start pausing positive. Give us a winner. With a winner, I'm going to go to the combination of John Elway and Paxton Lynch. And winning. There you go. Wes, we hit on this a little bit in the last show.

And I was talking with a Broncos fan, a close friend yesterday. And he was not really that familiar with Paxton Lynch, but the more that I started to think about this move and the more he started to watch Lynch, I think there's a reason to be excited about how Lynch fits in this offense. He's going to take time, but also just Elway. to me, has one of the chances behind Ozzy Newsom to be one of the best player into

front office leader of our lifetime. I really think Elway is a winner that goes and gets it done, whether it's free agency one year, or you get into this jam with the quarterback this time and everyone's ready to put him, you know, into some situation where, oh, Elway is finally, he's been solved.

Elway is in a fix. He's backed into a corner. But no, he went out and he got, I think, you can talk all you want about the top two quarterbacks. Lynch has a chance to be a very interesting special player if it works out for him and I the Broncos solve the problem they're not going to have Mark Sanchez for wrong

I believe that he's in the best spot of any of the court he's in a great spot you do not know that they solve their problem they well they addressed where other teams all over the league have burning needs and they and you come out of the draft as a fan and you're like please draft this position please draft this and you're just they're going everywhere else and you're thinking what happened over the last three days like the Browns and quarterback well I guess they did

drafted quarterback but that's fair a lot of browns fans feel away so you're right they they jets and quarterback talk about oh don't draft for position draft for need well you cannot argue that john elway definitely drafted for position here because he was left in such a bind by the osweiler's he did sometimes you have to draft for need if i'll say this and i agree i know you mark and west definitely are higher on this than i am and perhaps greg as well if lynch turns into a star if lynch turns into a Star? No, I'm not. Elway will be untouchable in terms of

when you look at executives. I got news for he's already untouchable. No, I mean, in terms of when you, historically. If it works out, then it's like, wait a minute. This guy is Ozzy Newsom 2.6 and he's even better than Ozzy Newsom. Exactly. If this works out. We'll see. But again, you go for it and you address it.

That's for sure. He's not king of the football world right now. He just run the Super Bowl as an executive. If he has a bad career as an executive the rest of the way, the fact that he got the Broncos another exclamation point championship off the ones that he wanted a player. So his statues made. One last thing. He didn't sit here and say, oh, you know what?

I'm going to spin for the next four months that we're excited about Mark Sanchez as our guy. And we have no other answer. But that's the situation some teams are in at that position. It was a little bit desperate, though, right? Like scrambling to trade up to get the project. I don't think Alway has ever come across as desperate. It didn't seem desperate at all to me. Okay.

We'll see. You know what? Greg, I say it a lot. This is what I love about sports. We're going to see what happens. We'll see. You do love sports. You also say sports are important.

Like, just in terms of the fabric of the country. Yeah, it brings us together. Even when it seems like it's tearing us apart, it brings us closer. Wes, why don't you give us a winner or loser? What do you want to do? Well, a lot of my winners we've already covered. I don't want to go too in depth on the AFC South. How about the international game of American football?

More, it's Baueringer becomes the first. first player from an international league to be drafted into the NFL. That's exciting. That was. Dan was all over this story. Ritz. Yeah, that was my only winner, actually. But that's okay.

No, no, no, you take it off. That's fine. You take it. How about we, we, we, yes, this will be a joint winner. Here we go. We don't need to own it. You can, there's lots of winners. Yeah, we're sharing this one.

Mine was a little broader. I said Germany was the winner. So much so that I went on YouTube and found German pop music. So everybody enjoy this. little bit. Let's listen this for a couple of seconds. Deutsch. Deutsch. Deutsch.

Deutsch. Deutsch. Deutsch. Deutsch. Deutsch. Anyway, so, bring back. Pond, please. Just a note, Dan, you were downstairs in our newsroom.

He was falling in love with this song for roughly an hour. Blast singing this and skisks singing this and skisks. staring the bejesus out of a new photo girl that we have in our office that doesn't really know Dan. Was she frightened? She was extremely scared of what you are. If we're ranking international pop, J-pop right now on the podcast, number one, Germany is behind. Germany is in last place, no matter what else is out there.

This song is called Deutsche Land, which is Germany. Thank you. And the name of the song is called, well, not everyone knows the language. Dye Prinzen, which translates to... Dye Song. Oh, the song is called Deutsche Land by... It's called Germany. Die Princes, I believe, is The Princes.

This is fantastic. Dye music. They are known as the Arrowsmith of Germany. That sounds about right. We've got to go down to the coast and find this on the jukebox. You guys don't like this? It's terrible! Now, Wes...

I can't tell if it had to be ironic or not. No, I actually, it's kind of a... It's a fun song. Then again, I also sent Dan a video the other day of what's the NFL network's theme for the draft. Oh, yeah. And he called them like, oh, I really like this. It's like an updated collective soul. Like that was a compliment.

A little bit. Yeah, that's some good songs. Anyway, so his name, Wes, what was it? Moritz Berringer. He was, what a great story. And he was on the move of the sticks pod earlier this month. He, five years ago, he knew nothing about football. He was just stumbling around on YouTube and happened.

to click into an Adrian Peterson highlights video and is so taken by Peterson's talents that he begins to train. He gathers a group of seven guys in Germany. That's his first team he was on. It was just seven guys. They practice. He ends up, he's a big six four guy, speedy, wide receiver, strong. He ends up dominating the German football league, which is the highest level of football in Europe, apparently. And comes to America on Leap Day. February 29th for people scoring at home. And blows away everyone in the UFA, I believe it was, Pro Day and Florida Atlantic Pro Day, excuse me. And they gets drafted by the Vikings, the very team that he fell in love with.

He became a Vikings fan after Peterson. Nice story. I got to spin one loser off of that exact narrative because it's an excellent story. And if you were watching the draft coverage, you know, it was Mike Mayotte. or in-house guru, Svengali draft individual, who, like, picked up the phone, literally, because they had Mo Bo or whatever his name is on the set. And he basically told Mayok, I would love,

and Daniel Jeremiah, I would love to play for the Vikings because of the whole Peterson thing you mentioned. Yeah. Mayok gets on the phone, calls up the Viking, calls up Zimmer. Well, he appealed to the television first. Right. And then Zimmer called him. Right.

Zimmer called him, and then, like, two minutes later, and something that is, you know, something that would have felt a little bit unbelievable in a movie script. Bang, the Vikings draft him. And here's the loser, because our in-house European man, Henry Hodgson, has been lobbying for this guy for months and months. And it should have been Henry that gets the most credit for making this happen. And he's not, he's invisible.

He's not even on the scene. Handsome Hank. He literally is right there with Moritz and showing him around today. This was a thrilling moment. Henry's helped really promote Orange. gets him on the move to sticks. This was a big moment. People like to get credit, Greg.

I don't know if you're aware of that. And Henry deserves more credit. Mayok stole his spotlight. Oh, I like that. I like that. Yeah, Mayock basically looked into the camera and told the Vikings to take Bowringer and then they took him.

It's a little weird. But, you know, I'm happy for the guy. Deutsche Land. All right, give us a loser, Greg. A loser? Okay. I've got a lot of both. let's say Connor Cook

he was supposedly in the mix for a first round pick although I don't know if anyone really ever quite bought that you're calling him a loser well he's not a loser he had a bad weekend he's not a loser

they're losers they're losers they're just losers that's the GOP frontrunner a good chance that man's the president Donald Trump he got drafted into a spot where at best he's a backup quarterback And when you go up against Matt McGloin, son, you know, you might not come out of that battle looking too good. Matt McGloin Nation has been stepping up for a while.

I don't know if you remember. He was the preseason MVP in 2013. The Raiders compared him to Jeff Garcia. He's looked pretty good. Wait on Thanksgiving Day a couple years. Whenever he plays. So, you know, basically he's going to be a number three quarterback, which is fine. But he's stuck in a long-term backup situation.

We didn't go as high as he wanted. And he's going to be remembered as the guy. who just was questioned forever, why aren't you the captain of your own team when you're a quarterback? Didn't have a good weekend. It's fair. Mark.

I have two laser losers, which means they'll be quick. One, Kaepernick, not just Kaepernick, because of this whole Kaepernick thing. He's stuck in a city. He doesn't want to be in a team he doesn't want to be with. But all the people that had to write about Kaepernick in this ridiculous drama over the last three months,

where in the end, it's completely stationary and he goes nowhere. Waste of time. All right, number two, laser loser. I got to, I'm sorry, Greg, I got to do this. That's a Trumpism. I got to go here, Greg Rosenthal. Wow.

Big loser this week. Whoa. And I'm going to tell you why, and it's not going to appeal. You're not going to like it because it's not logical. I just have a feeling that this weekend, the events of this weekend, we've just talked about a whole other division rising out of the dust, that the NFL scenery is changing, and I can feel it. The Patriots are about to take a major.

dirt nap and you like the sound of that say oh why would that make me the losing exactly because Greg is hiding behind this psychological veneer saying that he's excited to see the Patriots collapse so he can enjoy a losing type of season but when the reality sets in and it's really happening it's going to absolutely body rock your entire view of the universe when you have to attach yourself to a loser and a team that's going to be mired in a three decades long slump. They're going to psychologically switch team, switch existences with another team this year. You're going to have to ride it out. Which is it, though?

Dan always says I don't have any actual feelings for the Patriots. We're going to find out. Now you're rolling with him into the dark side. You're going to go through the long night with New England. It's going to be three decades long, and we'll find out when you're 62, how you feel about the Patriots. then you're a little hot and cold as a fan like sometimes um you do you're a little indifferent and you take your step behind your step back and then sometimes i can really see like the new englander in you and you're a super hardcore if they get close to a title yes but we've had we've had

uh they've had enough success at this point what more could you ask for but what do you say to what uh mark's sessler here is that he believes something almost inexplicably i can't explain it it doesn't i don't i you didn't like the patrick you didn't like the jacobi bris pick the third round quarterback well i didn't like some of the shenanigans that was occurring during their announcing their picks got a little hubriotic oh my gosh i i totally disagree i i would say kevin fawke is a big winner of the week what a winner what a way to do he that was so awesome he hides the brady jersey he welcomes the jeered they're like superman and then he has uh you know tom brady drafts their pick for him that was you're going to railroad a guy who should get a 25,000

thousand dollar fine and turn him into a for it was terrific and and i speak i think we're a patriot fan what is heaven fogg moves up now my all-time patriot's rankings he moves up my all time human rankings to number one right so you like about it so much what did i like about yeah because brady's been railroaded all along i like to support no i know i know i know thank you i mean i get it mark and dan you guys love rooting for the nfl against uh the patriots but you know no not true in this case Kevin Fox's making a statement about a teammate and a guy he loves. How can you not respect that? So he passes Thai law.

He's not going to go ahead of Troy Brown. Wait, let me write this down. Yeah, he passes Thai law. Troy Brown's still ahead. Troy Brown. I believe Malcolm Butler's third right now. But Kevin Fox's up to number two, all-time Patriots. Let me just say that.

Where's Tom Brady in that? Well, he's just in his own category. Here's the irony and the thing that makes me laugh about the Patriots. And what a joke. This organization has been with the Tom Brady stuff, with the flake gate they did not have his back with the flake gate they did not go to the wall for all right give me a specific example what you wanted that they could have possibly they should have went after the league instead of uh robbercraft saying he was going to take the sanctions

and just deal with it and hope it goes away they should have fair point after the league all the way and now and now that that's out of the way and the horse is out of the barn now they send guys out with jerseys and then when the draft starts they don't have a first round pick they change their Instagram to a Brady jersey. They did start an entire website. Brady Strong hashtag. It's like, dude, I know the dirty secret is that you did not have his back.

What about the whole, the website that's solely dedicated to bury in the NFL that's run by the pageers? Which is bizarre that that still exists. That's true. Ever existed. What is happening with that? Dan, let me ask you a question.

Yeah. Say Chad Pennington was a four-time Super Bowl champion. This happened to him. And Wayne Krabet went out there with a Chad Pennington. I would love it. I'm not. Of course.

I don't have an issue so much with whoever this Hammondager was. Who was it again? Kevin Fawke. Probably the greatest third down back of all time. The issue I had is the Patriots continuing to be sick of fans with Brady when they actually did not have his back in reality. All right. Let's throw out, but I'm not, I'm okay with Greg. I'm okay with you being a fan of like certain guys you had loyalty to.

You've got like five more months to enjoy it. Yeah. I'll throw out a big winner. RG3. I don't even think he has anybody competing with him. How did this play out this way? Well, Josh McCown's better than him, so he's going to have to compete. Is McCown going to be on the team?

That's a good question. This is not how I thought this was going to play out. You thought they would come out of with this new regime in town that they would. The RG3 move is a little surprising, but then you say, okay, well, they're going to get a rookie, and RG3 will be the keep the seat warm guy, and maybe you get a year or two at him. Instead, we're heading towards football activity. with this guy as their starting quarterback. He should be pinching himself

because I don't think anybody saw playing out this way. It's very dangerous, Hugh Jackson, what he's doing here, in my opinion. But I didn't see this coming. Big winner, RG3. Well, not only that, they get four wide receivers. They literally drafted four wide receivers, including Corey Coleman.

So not only is RG3 a big winner, how about the Brown's receiver coach, Al Saunders? I mean, he's got a lot to work with all of a sudden. All of a sudden? He's still in the league? They took 14 players. 14 players is a lot of players. That's the most of the Browns have taken since 79 when they had 12 rounds.

So this was their strategy to just load up on rookies. And we'll see. I mean, not everyone can make the team, obviously, but you give them a shot, see who sticks. Yeah, I mean, to your, you know, you, Wes, do you want to speak on this? Because you were not hot on them missing out on a quarterback also. You made some good points. They did take a quarterback. They took.

Well, but not someone that people are excited about. But they're excited about it. DJ said they thought about taking him in the second round, which stunned. Hugh Jackson-like. Hugh Jackson's his backwards. He's also a guy that the mountains moved for RG3, but he said that you guys got to trust me on this one. He thinks that they unearth like a gem.

Well, I tell you who doesn't trust him, USC graduate down on our desk, Andy Hageman, who basically said after they drafted him, perfect pick for the Browns, he doesn't read coverages. Right. I mean, Cody Kessler is not a guy that, you know, made a lot of fans as a USC quarterback, I wouldn't say, or got a lot of people overly excited about him.

But Hugh Jackson liked him. have a theory, though, on all of this after seeing Cody Kessler. It really solidifies to me that the Browns were going to take Gough, that they were higher on Gough. Certainly. Cody Kessler and Cody Kessler is a very B-minus, minus, minus version of Gough. And if you're thinking that, I mean, Goff and Wentz are very different quarterbacks, and that really kind of scrambled, you know, what they were going to do.

I think they, right, they wasn't just take any quarterback up top. Right. And where I was, it should be lauded for that. Right. And you asked because a week ago, I was saying, I don't want to miss out on the next Big Ben. But that was in a vacuum where I had no concept of what their plan was. And I think there's still probably, in general, Cleveland's in two camps. It's the camp that says, wait a minute, we've missed out on every quarterback.

How could you possibly do it again? And they're going to judge this draft and this plan by the fact of how Wentz does and everything that happened. But from another angle, now that I see what they've done and the amount of picks they've accrued over the next couple of years, I do like one thing. They said, we've got to build this team from the ground up. And the last time they put a quarterback, a first round one or two pick out with a team of this roster of this quality, it was Tim Couch and they ruined his career. These people didn't do that, but I think they want, you can go, you can build a team in a number of ways. And what, if you watch that war room and we had a raw feed of it, they are all, they are all on the same page.

It wasn't Hugh Jackson sitting in the corner pouting. He got a lot of the picks he wanted. They're working in unison. That's completely different than the last five front of all. I didn't say we've heard that before. That's why I think that you could call Browns fans the losers because every time they get a new regime in there, they have to convince themselves and repeat this, the mantra, we've got to give this new regime a chance to show what they're doing.

We've got to give them a few years. You're right, but a year ago. The last four or five regimes, and the fact is he still don't have a quarter. A year ago, you talked about the fact that it was good. They had an owner that kept changing coaches because you weren't sticking with a bad one. You did? Yes, you did. And one thing I would say is that you're right.

Browns fans have been losers. They haven't won a playoff game since New Year's Day, 1995. It's been nothing but I think this does feel different to me. Anna, you've got Browns fans in both camps. Some will agree with you 100%. Others believe in what's happening. You've got to wait and see. I like Mark's optimistic about the Browns.

I'm not like just glowing optimism, but I think they have a plan and they stuck to it. There's no question about that. But you believe in, you believe in Sasha. It wasn't some gut, like some, you know, they followed through with what they said they were going to do. And that, a lot of picks. We'll find out. Then again, who else, you know, made almost as many picks would be another one of my winners, the Ravens, 13 picks, five in the fourth round, which is outrageous. I mean, they had eight picks in their first five rounds.

I think Ozzie Newsom looked at this roster, and they said, we got some problems. We need to rebuild the middle class of this group. They took a lot of players, and they're all big Ravens type of player, so I'm throwing them in the winner. How about that? Mind if I pick a winner. Please. Go ahead. Piggy backing off a mark has Greg Rosenthal's loser.

Dan Hansis, draft loser. They're losers. They're just losers. This sentence came out of his mouth before the podcast started about an undrafted punter. This guy just saved the Jets draft. And you were serious. No, he was not serious. I was not a fan of the Jets draft.

I mean, we don't have to spend a lot more time on the Jets. But me and Matt Suwiki, who works downstairs on the desk, on the network side, we were both calling for this punter out of Utah, whose name Hack. Tom Hackett. I'm Hackett. Suwiki showed me some tape of the guy, and I was calling hard. We were both calling hard for him to get selected. The Jets did take a punter in the seventh round or seventh round.

It was not Hackett, but then they signed him immediately after the draft. So perhaps, I don't know. I'm not saying that I influenced the Jets. I'm just going to throw it out there. You have sway. Yeah. Well, I retweeted from the Around the NFL account, which, by the way, at Around the NFL. Lightning Round losers for me, Wes.

And then I want to hear another one from you. Laramie Tunsell and the Dolphins, their press conference, the day after the first round was a disgrace. Come back to us, Gloria Stefan, because they initially tried to get him out of the mix entirely to avoid his own introductory press. press conference by saying he had an allergic reaction. And I know there's a lot of people that said you cannot be smirched the dolphins by saying that they were making that up. And a lot of people were saying, oh, it really was an allergic reaction. You got to get him out there.

Push back the press conference because it looks really bad. And then eventually he did show up at the press conference. So they essentially had two media availabilities. And I think it's part of the reason was Twitter was blown up at them. Lightning winner, Bears Front Seven. They hit on Eddie Goldman in the draft last year in Pernell McPhee and Frey Agency and that allowed him to build around those two guys.

That's your framework. You signed Danny Trevathan and Jarrell Freeman. Then you draft Leonard Floyd as your bookend Ed Rush to McPhee and you draft Jonathan Bullard in a third round as one of your defensive ends. This front seven is remade in Vic Pongio's image. Lightning Loser, a new chief's quarterback,

Kevin Hogan out of Stanford. This is how Charles Davis described him at the beginning of a sentence. In some ways, he's Tyler Palco. That's not good Some of these draft comparisons When you go on NFL dot com It's yeah

They're not it's not a flattering I'm gonna throw out one more Well we're at it The New Orleans Saints I like their first three picks Apparently wasn't that popular in New Orleans But Sheldon Rankin's man They needed someone reliable on their defensive line

I like what I've seen out of Michael Thomas And they certainly need a wide receiver And then Von Bell A rangy safety Certainly a position they need They got some athletes in their first two rounds Unfortunately, that makes a loser adding Von Bell out of someone that we, it's really close to our heart.

Jiris Byrd. Oh, no. Jiris. You look at the player comparisons on Von Bell's page. It's Jiris Byrd. Well, Byrd set his own table. I got a laser loser. Do we have one second?

Yeah, sure. We don't talk about this too much, but the Falcons, I thought they came into this draft with an absolute need to get a pass rush. They have no pass rush, and they did not address it up top where they needed to. and that way it was clear to everyone that was their goal they i think they have a chance to drop behind the titoons on the boring rankings got a point all right no is not doing it for you fine all right so uh so that's it winners and losers of the draft uh before we get out of here let's check in and go get my lunch uh you giant turd of doom uh because we did have props all through the draft

and why don't we we're not going to bury the lead here i mean uh i think it's time for some celebration music for the Irishman, Brandon McKinnis, because guess what? After an 0-19 slump by producers on this show, finally a winner. The Irishman said that Notre Dame linebacker Jalen Smith would go in the first two rounds. And guess what? We all took him up on it.

He said, no way it happens. And he went early in the second round. The floor is yours, Irishman. Congratulations. Way to go. It pays off to have faith in people, you know? And I had faith in Jerry Jones That he would do something stupid

You know what? I just appreciate him Even though four sandwiches to him is like a cent Wow, four sandwiches Literally you have sandwiches for the better part of a week I'm over 500 now We could agree We could put Sessler as a lightning loser

He somehow didn't even play the game And he's down a sandwich Oh and one And I changed my winning percentage of zero I changed my answer Which is a disaster I'll never do it again I didn't just do this for me also. I did it for K. Rich.

Gold Standard, Sid, TD, all the ones that weren't able to get over the 500 mark. The Irish shouldn't chewing the scenery, but we'll give it to him. A big victory for him. I'm sure your mom will be proud of you about this one. She listened to the show because you did something historic. I feel good. Yeah. One other, before we get into the standings,

Sheck had, last time he was on the show, he had all in on a prop that Peyton Manning would have a front office job before the NFL draft. Possibly the worst sandwich prop of all time. This would be a game that Czech would struggle at. We got to get out of here. Spurs Thunder just started. All right, let's wrap it up then. By the way, the standings, according to Nick Fortier,

I'd go get my lunch. I went 8 and 6, Greg 8 and 9. Colleen, nice start on Friday, but finished 7 and 8, West 6 and 9, and Mark the 0-1. We'll go through them real quick. It's got an ACL tear in week two or something. Titans trade up and pick in the top 10 you nailed it was well that's one I got right yeah well there weren't too many that got right you had each got one Josh Dotson in the first as the first wide receiver drafted the team that takes Ezekiel Elliott you have the Giants Paxton Lynch gets drafted within the top eight that didn't happen none of us got Elliot which is too bad because he went to a pretty sitting right there yeah we should have I overthought that one I should take him Greg you had no trades involving the top 10 picks in the draft wow either or two or two or two

And plus that was stupid. What a weird thing. It's very un-Greg-like. You had Elliott to the Bears. You had got one right. The Broncos trade for a quarterback that's not Colin Kaepernick. They did. This is a little bit controversial, Mark, correct?

Well, I think we give this to Greg. But there was, you know, it comes down to wording and technicalities. But in the spirit of it, Greg got it. Lawyers got involved. Yeah. Lawyers got it right. He did. They traded for the pick.

And then they used that pick to take a quarterback. So we'll give that one too again. He had DeForest Buckner's drafted third overall. That didn't work out. And Tunsel messed up the whole lineman situation beyond that. For me, I had the Cowboys draft a quarterback win. This is why this game is so hard. You can even have the right hunch and still not get things right

because the Cowboys tried to trade up for Paxton Lynch and couldn't get him. I said they draft the QB within the first two picks. They didn't. I had the Browns won't draft a quarterback within the first three rounds. Browns took a quarterback with a 30. maybe 30 first pick wow the third round I said Elliot would go to the Giants

and then again I knew the Texans wanted a wide receiver badly but Corey Coleman didn't last I said Coleman would go to either the Texans or Bengals so I got that incorrect as well Colleen Wolfe six Ohio State players are drafted

in the first round after 20 picks five Ohio state players had went which was a record but the six never landed a bunch more went in the drop but no more in the first only five she lost that uh she nailed 49ers picked twice in the first round they traded back into the first round so she won three sandwiches there uh she had elliott to the browns and the real this is where this prompted fresh fish uh during the show um fresh fish yeah because she was a newbie to the game uh you don't like to do hyper specific she had stephen tullick gets traded

Where does that come from? She played quite well, though. I mean, she was close to cleaning up big. Very close to having a monster game, but she still, she did well overall. So that's what's going on. And as Nick points out, a nice little fun fact, Greg, you'll see here. Ever since my 2 and 14 disaster in the draft last year,

I've now won the last three rounds of go get my lunch. Come at me. Come at the ball. No, I wouldn't. In fact, I would argue that maybe Colleen just replaces me in this game because I am an abominational. You would like that too much. I know.

This is like Greg's, Greg's like go get my or go get Wes's toast or whatever it's called. This is my version of that. I don't even want what the prize is. I don't even want what the prize is. Yeah, it is a tough game for you, Mark. All right, that's it. Wayne Wes is lunch. That's it for the draft recap edition of the Around the NFL podcast.

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